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Nov 23 03:10:26 <mru> emeb_mac: compared to mranostay we're all antediluvian
Nov 23 03:16:43 <emeb_mac> where in sequence does antediluvian come with respect to silurian, ordovician, cretaceous, etc? ;P
Nov 23 03:16:52 * emeb_mac remembered the irony tag that time.
Nov 23 03:17:25 <mru> well, the bible thumbers say the earth was created, variously, between 6k and 9k years ago
Nov 23 03:17:37 <mru> and the great flood came some time after that, presumably
Nov 23 03:20:17 <emeb_mac> looks like they place the flood around 2300 BC.
Nov 23 03:36:15 <mranostay> emeb_mac: seems likely...
Nov 23 04:32:39 <emeb_mac> whatever happened to the old intel xscale wireless mmx extensions. Is that just a Marvell thing now?
Nov 23 05:10:42 <john-jones> My targets are lane detection, stop sign detection and traffic light detection on a specialized training track for a robot car -- i.e. good contrast and clear signage. Should I develop algorithms in matlab first to confirm they work before coding in C++ with openCV?
Nov 23 05:34:10 <jameson> hi, is it common to develop algorithms in matlab first?
Nov 23 05:34:13 <jameson> and then code into c++ later?
Nov 23 05:34:16 <jameson> just wondering how the pros do it
Nov 23 06:13:37 <siva> Hi all i am using TI am335xevm board for development purpose by using kernel 3.2.0,board has been brought up.I am trying to connect bluetooth and wifi so driver wl1271 has been enabled.For wifi firmware TIInit_7.2.31.bts has been used. Now bluetooth is not working,Is there any firmware for bluetooth.
Nov 23 06:20:51 <jameson> may i ask the project?
Nov 23 06:52:21 <siva> Ans pls...
Nov 23 07:12:42 <dm8tbr> I do think the wilink6 needs bt firmware.
Nov 23 07:13:14 <dm8tbr> also please do not annoy people here with 'ans pls' or restating your question. that just lowers your chances of receiving an answer
Nov 23 07:38:56 <koen> dm8tbr: and even more annoying: he's asking about a TI EVM, which is supported by TI, *not* by #beagle
Nov 23 08:01:50 <dm8tbr> koen: yes, I'd have made a remark about that, but the wilink is also used by some cape and the PB, so didn't want to be too much of a dick.
Nov 23 08:11:21 <panto> hello
Nov 23 08:18:23 <woglinde> gm panto
Nov 23 08:18:42 <panto> TGIF morning
Nov 23 08:18:58 <KotH> rather OMGIF ^^'
Nov 23 08:31:33 <KotH> does anyone know an rs485 transceiver smaller than 2.5x3mm with integrated esd protection?
Nov 23 08:31:55 * KotH has already checked all the usual suspects, but couldnt find anything
Nov 23 08:32:29 <av500> KotH: grind one down?
Nov 23 08:36:50 <KotH> av500: would like to, but doesnt work in cheap mass production
Nov 23 08:38:03 <av500> grind it in china
Nov 23 08:50:32 <jonand> KotH: rs485: maxim, cypress, silabs, checked them all?
Nov 23 08:53:58 <av500> maxim? people here get fired for using maxim
Nov 23 08:54:04 <jonand> seems to be a lack of small package rs485, SO seems to be the smallest ones
Nov 23 08:56:14 <panto> av500, oh? why is that so bad?
Nov 23 08:56:26 <jonand> av500: I know what you mean, they were so well known for not being able to deliver that they had to change their slogan to "deliver what's next" or something like that
Nov 23 08:56:26 * panto mainly used maxim's rs232 level shifters 
Nov 23 08:56:45 <av500> panto: ah, that explains the huge debt :)
Nov 23 08:57:02 <jonand> panto: they had a bad reputation of fast shipping of samples but 40 weeks lead time for a reel
Nov 23 08:57:22 <av500> yes, I have all their stuff as samples :)
Nov 23 08:57:24 * panto <- sw guy mainly 
Nov 23 08:57:30 <av500> I just kept on ordering
Nov 23 08:57:38 <panto> so I don't get to care about manuf. details
Nov 23 08:57:40 <av500> now I have this big box of maxim stuff
Nov 23 08:58:09 <av500> jonand: we suspect they have 90% of thier stuff as design files only and if they get a 100k order they might produce it
Nov 23 08:58:29 <av500> so, if you need 10k, you need somebody else to order at the same time
Nov 23 08:58:34 <jonand> they are also a bit expensive if you are talking about consumer volumes... but they make some unique devices, like their max232 once was before everyone made compatibles (even including TI!)
Nov 23 09:00:33 <jonand> av500: I don't have any insight in maxim but my personal experience is that it has gotten a lot better the last few years
Nov 23 09:00:46 <av500> dont try to confuse me with facts :)
Nov 23 09:00:48 <jonand> last time I used it was in a point of load DCDC in 2003 though.. :)
Nov 23 09:00:57 <jonand> it = maxim
Nov 23 09:02:49 <jonand> when we couldn't get parts from maxim our purchaser bought on the spot market. turned out 1 of 4 devices in the tubes were fake with wrong silicon in them. maxim did an excellent job examining the blown up parts and did a good report so I can't really say anything bad about them except that back then (10 years ago!) lead times were.... long.
Nov 23 09:17:26 <KotH> jonand: yes
Nov 23 09:17:38 <KotH> jonand: none of them has anything smaller than 3x3mm
Nov 23 09:27:40 <jonand> KotH: guess that is due to isolation and also the typical industrial use of rs485... not something you see in a smartphone. :/
Nov 23 09:28:48 <KotH> jonand: isolation isnt an issue... but yes, industrial is the problem
Nov 23 09:29:11 <KotH> jonand: though, that project is industrial as well... it's just that we have very little space available ^^'
Nov 23 09:29:39 <jonand> I have a similar problem, I need to run i2c and i2s about a meter away from the main board. will probably also end up in rs485, that's what they did in the previous product version.
Nov 23 09:30:20 <KotH> nxp has an i2c repeater
Nov 23 09:30:24 <woglinde> jonand why 1 meter?
Nov 23 09:30:28 <KotH> we use that to run it over 100m or so
Nov 23 09:30:54 <av500> long range I2C
Nov 23 09:31:09 <av500> reminds me of the atlantic I2C connection
Nov 23 09:32:40 <woglinde> av500 *g* ask kimble
Nov 23 09:33:23 <ynezz> i2c over 100m, neat
Nov 23 09:33:54 <KotH> jonand: check PCA9600
Nov 23 09:34:04 <KotH> jonand: 20m at 1MHz
Nov 23 09:34:30 <ynezz> and in which environment?
Nov 23 09:35:15 <KotH> our test was in a home environment with switching machines near by
Nov 23 09:35:21 <KotH> did work like a charm
Nov 23 09:36:42 <ynezz> quite cheap
Nov 23 09:36:59 <av500> ha: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2012-November/132304.html
Nov 23 09:37:06 <av500> mdp: ^^^
Nov 23 09:37:20 <jonand> woglinde: I have one meter cable from the cpu to where I have a microphone and some i2c controlled mems sensors (accelerometers)
Nov 23 09:37:38 <av500> he used to work for us, but he must have learned "upstreaming" in his spare time :)
Nov 23 09:37:46 <woglinde> microphone and sensor
Nov 23 09:37:54 <woglinde> sounds intressting project
Nov 23 09:39:07 <woglinde> av500 whats sunxi?
Nov 23 09:39:15 <av500> A10
Nov 23 09:39:17 <av500> allwinner
Nov 23 09:39:19 <woglinde> ah
Nov 23 09:39:30 <ynezz> a13 also, isn't it?
Nov 23 09:39:35 <av500> yes
Nov 23 09:39:40 <av500> a13 is the cost down A10
Nov 23 09:39:47 <av500> other package and no hdmi
Nov 23 09:39:54 <ynezz> I've that olinuxino board
Nov 23 09:40:05 <av500> yup
Nov 23 09:40:14 <av500> is it winning?
Nov 23 09:40:56 <ynezz> it's somewhere on the bottom layer on my desk, so yes, it's winning since it doesn't collect the dust yet :p
Nov 23 09:41:04 <KotH> lol
Nov 23 09:42:56 <woglinde> *g*
Nov 23 10:05:07 <jonand> pca9600 looks nice, thanks koth
Nov 23 10:16:11 <KotH> np
Nov 23 10:16:57 <KotH> jonand: there are a few others from nxp as well, might be worth to check them too... don't know the differences though
Nov 23 12:27:56 <av500> braucht jemand was vom Pollin? :)
Nov 23 12:28:29 <mru> or Pollout?
Nov 23 12:28:44 <mru> maybe even Pollerr
Nov 23 12:30:49 <woglinde> polenmarket?
Nov 23 12:34:52 <av500> yep
Nov 23 12:35:14 <woglinde> czesc
Nov 23 12:35:18 <woglinde> or something
Nov 23 12:35:20 <woglinde> haha
Nov 23 12:35:40 * av500 wonders whether to order a Geiger tube
Nov 23 12:35:44 <av500> mranostay: ^^^
Nov 23 12:38:16 <KotH> going to fukushima over christmas?
Nov 23 12:38:20 <woglinde> you live near fukojima?
Nov 23 12:38:32 <KotH> woglinde: gmta :-)
Nov 23 12:38:49 <woglinde> whats a gmta?
Nov 23 12:38:57 <KotH> great minds think alike :)
Nov 23 12:39:01 <woglinde> good morning to austria?
Nov 23 12:39:05 <KotH> lol
Nov 23 12:39:27 <woglinde> are some sprichwort in english
Nov 23 12:39:28 <woglinde> okay
Nov 23 12:39:42 <mru> german has an equivalent
Nov 23 12:40:02 <woglinde> mru thats what I am saying
Nov 23 12:40:36 <KotH> mru: yeah.. it's called "zwei idioten" :-)
Nov 23 12:40:47 <mru> iKnow
Nov 23 12:43:57 <KotH> mru: going apple?
Nov 23 12:44:32 <mru> you know me better than that
Nov 23 13:03:41 <KotH> i thought that as well.. until i saw you shouting "JIHAD!" in barcelona ;-)
Nov 23 13:04:11 <woglinde> lol
Nov 23 13:04:36 <mru> barcelona is arab country, no?
Nov 23 13:06:29 <woglinde> was
Nov 23 13:06:56 <mru> sure, if you view time linearly
Nov 23 13:07:03 <woglinde> but that was a long time before elce
Nov 23 13:07:56 <ogra-cb_> or after is you view time circular
Nov 23 13:08:00 <ogra-cb_> *if
Nov 23 13:08:16 <woglinde> circles no
Nov 23 13:42:59 <KotH> av500: you should give maxim a second chance
Nov 23 13:43:16 <KotH> av500: now everything should be better, since a turkish becamme its CEO :)
Nov 23 13:45:55 <maeda1> For the BBxM I need to measure the current at VDD1 (for the MPU and IVA), in the schematics the only components attached to VDD1 are L4, C18, C110, C112, is there any possibility of measuring current at VDD1?
Nov 23 13:46:54 <maeda1> Is there any change of measuring it by software? Does the TPS65950 provide some sort of current measurement?
Nov 23 13:48:45 <av500> measure at L$
Nov 23 13:48:48 <av500> measure at L4
Nov 23 13:48:58 <av500> remove it an put a shunt
Nov 23 15:03:25 <mru> prpplague: http://unusuallife.com/2009/01/29/bacon-world/
Nov 23 15:06:57 <maeda1> thanks av500 , that's somewhat what I was thinking, the thing is that there's VDD1.OUT coming out of the TPS65950 which is connected directly to VDD1, and there is VDD1.LO from TPS65950 as well, which is the one with L4
Nov 23 15:24:01 <prpplague> mru: mmmm bacon
Nov 23 15:24:33 <av500> prpplague: like you would have room for that right now....
Nov 23 15:24:37 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 23 15:24:41 <sabesto> anyone know how i can make the beagleboard listen to uart2_rx and shutdown if i send it a command
Nov 23 15:24:59 * prpplague has a cup of coffee and starts the fun of getting all of his linkedin.com updated as well as his CV
Nov 23 15:25:09 <prpplague> time to start looking for work....
Nov 23 15:26:04 <av500> prpplague: its official?
Nov 23 15:26:34 <prpplague> av500: no not yet, but i was told "off the record"
Nov 23 15:26:55 <av500> ic
Nov 23 15:27:26 <prpplague> not sure if nov 30, or dec 30 will be my last day
Nov 23 15:27:43 * ogra-cb_ hugs prpplague 
Nov 23 15:27:45 <ogra-cb_> good luck
Nov 23 15:27:48 <av500> +1
Nov 23 15:28:31 <prpplague> ogra-cb_: thanks
Nov 23 15:40:48 <KotH> prpplague: if you need anything (like swiss chocolate) let me know
Nov 23 15:41:28 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 23 15:41:35 <prpplague> KotH: will do
Nov 23 15:42:39 <woglinde> hi prpplague
Nov 23 15:42:55 <prpplague> woglinde: greetings
Nov 23 15:43:30 <av500> KotH: o/
Nov 23 15:44:15 <KotH> av500: you still owe me your girl
Nov 23 15:45:10 <av500> duh
Nov 23 15:47:00 <woglinde> lol
Nov 23 15:47:11 <woglinde> did you played poker in barcelona?
Nov 23 16:06:49 <prpplague> burrr
Nov 23 16:06:55 * prpplague turns on some heat
Nov 23 16:07:50 <mru> compile some kernels
Nov 23 16:08:23 <mru> I'm actually heating my flat entirely with electronics
Nov 23 16:11:16 <prpplague> mru: hehe
Nov 23 16:12:21 <mru> the normal heating is electric so if I'm anyway paying, I might as well make the most of it
Nov 23 16:12:45 <mru> not that this place needs much heating
Nov 23 16:13:55 <av500> I'll probably be in London soon, I'll make sure to bring 3 laptops
Nov 23 16:14:11 <mru> old british houses are terrible
Nov 23 16:14:19 <mru> I live in a fairly new one
Nov 23 16:18:16 <KotH> av500: dont forget your rain coat
Nov 23 16:19:45 <prpplague> i normally don't have a problem with the house being cold, its the heat of the summer that gets me
Nov 23 16:21:51 <mru> it's only ~10% difference in absolute temperature
Nov 23 16:22:24 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 23 16:23:02 <prpplague> hehe, there is an omap job posting at the RIM offices in dallas
Nov 23 16:23:47 <mru> sounds secure
Nov 23 16:24:16 <woglinde> lol
Nov 23 16:24:24 <prpplague> mru: hehe, well it might be a good "hold over" job, hehe
Nov 23 16:24:44 <woglinde> than apply
Nov 23 16:24:46 <mru> to fill a gap of a few months, sure
Nov 23 16:35:32 <prpplague> mru: had a phone interview on wednesday
Nov 23 16:35:36 <emeb_mac> prpplague: a buddy of mine worked at RIM a few years ago. They laid him off and then he was contracting @ TI doing omap design reviews. Left there, now works out here in AZ @ Microchip.
Nov 23 16:36:19 <prpplague> mru: told the interviewer, who was HR, that i had been doing work on cortex-A15 designs, to which he asked, yea but do you have any experience with ARM processors?
Nov 23 16:36:40 <mru> sounds like a productive interview
Nov 23 16:36:51 <prpplague> emeb_mac: yea, i just ran across a nice job posting in Chandler,AZ
Nov 23 16:36:55 <prpplague> mru: indeed
Nov 23 16:37:13 <emeb_mac> prpplague: weather is nice out here now.
Nov 23 16:37:17 <mdp> prpplague: mmm, chandler, home
Nov 23 16:37:24 <ant_work> mru: lol
Nov 23 16:37:44 <prpplague> emeb_mac: hehe, sons name is chandler
Nov 23 16:37:48 <prpplague> emeb_mac: thought it was funny
Nov 23 16:38:03 <mdp> emeb_mac: I can see that microchip campus (and intel) in my head now after driving past it a bazillion times while living there
Nov 23 16:38:27 <emeb_mac> mdp: yep - I used to work at that intel campus. Don't miss it at all.
Nov 23 16:38:52 <mdp> emeb_mac: funny, that's the same sentiment all the ex-intel people from there have had
Nov 23 16:38:59 <mdp> that I know..
Nov 23 16:39:10 <av500> mdp: you know what, I got work done today :)
Nov 23 16:39:28 <emeb_mac> mdp: lol. I've still got some buddies who work there. Some folks like it.
Nov 23 16:39:31 <mru> av500: shocking
Nov 23 16:39:32 <mdp> av500, good! I'm going out for a nice drive and lunch with the personal assistant...continue on and enjoy ;)
Nov 23 16:39:44 <mdp> emeb_mac: shocking! ;)
Nov 23 16:39:54 <emeb_mac> word for the day
Nov 23 16:40:12 <mdp> av500, next week I'm in dallas which means I plan to get zero useful work done
Nov 23 16:40:13 <av500> mdp: take your time :)
Nov 23 16:40:39 <mdp> lots of talking which mgmt considers useful for some reason
Nov 23 16:40:53 <emeb_mac> prpplague: I wonder how many people who live in chandler are named chandler.
Nov 23 16:43:33 <prpplague> mdp: hehe
Nov 23 16:43:40 <prpplague> mdp: i have beers planned
Nov 23 16:43:44 <mdp> prpplague: you need to get allwinner experience..quick
Nov 23 16:43:50 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 23 16:43:52 <mdp> prpplague: mmm
Nov 23 16:44:11 <mru> emeb_mac: nominative determinism at work?
Nov 23 16:44:12 <prpplague> mdp: was planning to order a couple of allwinner boards next week
Nov 23 16:44:15 <mdp> ok, I'm really not here..have fun all
Nov 23 16:44:20 <prpplague> mdp: laters
Nov 23 16:44:21 <mdp> prpplague: me too
Nov 23 16:46:54 <emeb_mac> mru: re nominative determinism - I wonder if there are any candle makers in chandler.
Nov 23 16:47:53 <mru> preferably next to the butcher and the baker
Nov 23 16:53:18 <emeb_mac> those are probably in los carneros and bakersfield though.
Nov 23 18:51:18 <mranostay> _av500_: you rang?
Nov 23 19:49:12 <_av500_> mranostay: rang I?
Nov 23 19:49:15 <_av500_> ah yes
Nov 23 19:49:21 <_av500_> the geiger tube
Nov 23 19:50:29 <mranostay> _av500_: you rang?
Nov 23 19:50:32 <mranostay> gah
Nov 23 19:50:49 <mranostay> av500: so what you want to know?
Nov 23 19:51:06 * mru thought av500 already knew *it*
Nov 23 19:58:59 <dm8tbr> mru: maybe /it/ but seems not *that*
Nov 23 20:38:55 <_av500_> mranostay: if that tube was any good
Nov 23 20:50:22 <mranostay> _av500_: which?
Nov 23 20:54:03 <_av500_> mranostay: http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/NjgxOTA4OTk-/Bauelemente_Bauteile/Aktive_Bauelemente/Roehren_Roehrenfassungen/Geiger_Mueller_Roehre_SI39G.html
Nov 23 20:54:08 <_av500_> SI39G
Nov 23 20:56:08 <_av500_> gn
Nov 23 21:03:51 <james-jones> i am trying to get a webcam working as well as with a shutter speed of around 1/100 or faster. what spec should i look out for and can i change the speed of a given camera?
Nov 23 21:05:48 <CareBear\> james-jones : what does any of that have to do with beagleboards?
Nov 23 21:06:08 <CareBear\> james-jones : if you want to get some kind of useful replies then you have to ask in the right place
Nov 23 21:08:18 <CareBear\> james-jones : I'm sure you are able to separate "I'm using Linux on a beagleboard for my project that involves a webcam" from "I am working with the beagleboard". your webcam project is about the webcam and about Linux. the beagleboard is completely irrelevant in your project and your problem, and thus asking for help in here is likely to get you nothing but insults and mockery.
Nov 23 21:08:38 <mranostay> _av500_: i'm sure it is ok... gamma + beta only of course.. probably old stock though (not that matters with the halflife of neon and whatever halogen :))
Nov 23 21:08:46 <CareBear\> james-jones : so why waste time on that
Nov 23 21:09:16 <CareBear\> james-jones : find the good place to ask, all according to specifics of whatever problem you are experiencing
Nov 23 21:09:23 <james-jones> ok thx
Nov 23 21:10:35 <CareBear\> james-jones : maybe it's with one specific application that acquires images from the webcam, maybe it's with the USB driver that does actual communication with the webcam. you must know every last detail of the software that you are using, or you will almost certainly fail.
Nov 23 21:10:36 <mranostay> koen: why can't any kernel build in your tree not reboot? :)
Nov 23 21:11:27 <CareBear\> james-jones : that might well mean that you need to step inside the Linux kernel and do whatever things in there that are specific to the beagleboard or to the hardware used on the beaglboard - *then* you can probably get excellent help in here.
Nov 23 21:11:33 <CareBear\> james-jones : until that point, not so much
Nov 23 21:11:59 <CareBear\> james-jones : so look into what you're doing. in detail
Nov 23 21:12:01 <mranostay> i have jtag debugger on it as a expensive power switch :)
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