**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 04 02:59:59 2012
Dec 04 04:00:16 <mranostay> so how much does airfare to this island usually run? :)
Dec 04 04:01:50 <prpplague> mranostay: depends on the time of year
Dec 04 04:02:01 <prpplague> mranostay: average is about $600 from DFW
Dec 04 04:02:10 <prpplague> mranostay: about $800 from SFO
Dec 04 04:02:20 <mranostay> prpplague: that is true for most places. except Ohio :)
Dec 04 04:02:43 <mranostay> $350 if you book a month out always :)
Dec 04 04:02:46 <prpplague> mranostay: wtf? why did i think you were in SFO?
Dec 04 04:02:58 <mranostay> prpplague: i am but i'm from Ohio
Dec 04 04:03:07 <prpplague> hehe
Dec 04 04:03:25 <mranostay> just an example of airfare that never goes up or down with seasons :)
Dec 04 04:03:58 <prpplague> hehe
Dec 04 04:04:37 <prpplague> mranostay: you'd be in sooooo much trouble down there
Dec 04 04:05:11 <mranostay> as long as i don't have a mad texan at my door with a shotgun :)
Dec 04 04:05:37 <prpplague> hehe
Dec 04 04:06:19 <prpplague> *cough* most guns are illegal there, it would be a cutlass
Dec 04 04:06:31 <mranostay> oh so much beter....?
Dec 04 04:06:34 <mranostay> *better
Dec 04 04:07:07 <prpplague> you can outrun a cutlass
Dec 04 04:12:46 <mranostay> mdp: my pru idea probably won't work :/
Dec 04 04:13:38 <mranostay> prpplague: where is the Black Pearl at? :)
Dec 04 04:14:03 <prpplague> mranostay: hehe, it's called "sam lords castle"
Dec 04 04:14:27 <prpplague> mranostay: it was this hole in the side of the island they used to shelter the ships and hide the loot
Dec 04 04:14:40 <prpplague> mranostay: the mansion burned a few years ago
Dec 04 04:15:00 <prpplague> mranostay: they were doing restoration and found a massive cave with millions in spanish gold
Dec 04 04:15:12 <mranostay> nice find
Dec 04 04:15:28 <mranostay> i'm sure the government spend it wisely :)
Dec 04 04:15:33 <mranostay> *spent
Dec 04 04:15:54 <KeatonT> really?
Dec 04 04:16:10 <prpplague> mranostay: hehe yea
Dec 04 04:16:56 <xenome> does anyone know if the uEnv.txt file get removed when you upgrade the 4-25 demo image?
Dec 04 04:17:03 <mranostay> er no
Dec 04 04:20:32 <ka6sox> where do I sign up?
Dec 04 04:20:50 <ka6sox> mranostay, not everyone needs SPF150
Dec 04 04:25:59 <mranostay> well if are as pale white as me you do
Dec 04 04:31:38 <ka6sox> you are a california boy now...
Dec 04 04:32:19 <mranostay> norcal though
Dec 04 05:52:29 <mranostay> dm8tbr: hey bipolar dude
Dec 04 06:10:50 <Russ> hmmm..no sand castles in the sand reference
Dec 04 06:12:04 <dm8tbr> mranostay: sup :)
Dec 04 06:15:29 <mranostay> nobody got my npn joke :P
Dec 04 06:16:28 <dm8tbr> I was FET up with it :-þ
Dec 04 06:23:01 <Russ> I think I've reached my saturation point myself
Dec 04 06:23:39 <Russ> It's time to just cut off that entire group of jokes
Dec 04 06:25:16 <mranostay> heh
Dec 04 07:31:25 <salal> I was wondering if there is a way to use a beaglebone more like a daq: I want to run a program on my computer (c++ on a mac) that is graphics intensive, but access some of the beaglebone i/o ports to manipulate the graphics.
Dec 04 07:33:42 <LetoThe2nd> salal: its software, anything is possible.
Dec 04 07:36:08 <salal> yes, I realize that... I looked into putting a different os on the beaglebone (such as starterware) but that still apears to run the software on the beaglebone itself
Dec 04 07:37:52 <salal> I wondered if there was something like a library, for instance if the beaglebone was an object in the software on the computer it is hooked up to and you could make calls to its i/o pins
Dec 04 07:38:10 <LetoThe2nd> salal: of course, because none of those solutions magically senses what you want to do and therefore summons a two-part solution with communications.
Dec 04 07:39:01 <LetoThe2nd> salal: write a small, fast thing to run on the bone and expose its funtionality through a fast interface + api of your choice. then write your host computer application.its just _two_ things to do.
Dec 04 07:39:05 <salal> so, you are saying I should code something with a port connection of some sort? ssh or serial
Dec 04 07:39:29 <LetoThe2nd> salal: i am not saying that. you said you want to divide your application.
Dec 04 07:39:45 <salal> I suppose that could work
Dec 04 07:40:00 <LetoThe2nd> salal: and if you want to tear it apart, you obviously will need a communication channel at at least one place.
Dec 04 07:40:54 <salal> keep the image stuff on the computer, and then the i/o stuff on the beaglebone
Dec 04 07:41:25 <salal> thanks for the feedback, I guess I thought someone might have already written a library/program/whatever that might help
Dec 04 07:41:40 <salal> but you are right, its probably best just to split it
Dec 04 07:41:50 <LetoThe2nd> *just* *wonders*
Dec 04 07:48:49 <fewe_> hi
Dec 04 07:49:01 <fewe_> is ther e anyone here from beagleboard's team?
Dec 04 07:49:09 <fewe_> I'd like to RMA some boards because of the USB issues
Dec 04 07:49:50 <LetoThe2nd> fewe_: well there is a guide to the RMA process on beagleboard.org, isn't it?
Dec 04 07:52:27 <fewe_> There is one but it says there is a 90 days window and I'm way past this window
Dec 04 07:52:27 <salal> Yep, you have to tell them the issue and they will reply if you can RMA it... and then you will likely have to send it to the 'beagle hospital'
Dec 04 07:53:01 <fewe_> And that they do in on unmodified boards
Dec 04 07:53:14 <fewe_> but i don't think adding an RTC battery will cause a usb problem
Dec 04 07:53:24 <fewe_> LetoThe2nd: that's why I cam here first
Dec 04 07:54:17 <LetoThe2nd> fewe_: well the time period depends on your local law. if that says your entitled to have a longer period, contact your supplier directly, as he has to take care then.
Dec 04 07:55:35 <LetoThe2nd> fewe_: if that is not the case, your best chance is still to contact the RMA team as described there.
Dec 04 07:57:29 <fewe_> ok thanks
Dec 04 07:58:09 <LetoThe2nd> fewe_: i mean, your lookup says france. what does france have? 1 or 2 years of warranty?
Dec 04 08:00:23 <LetoThe2nd> .. which in turn is consierably more than 90 days. so i'd stronngly suggest you contact your dealer, as he has to take care of the local laws..
Dec 04 08:01:30 <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: Happy Birthday!!!!
Dec 04 08:01:32 <_av500_> old fart!
Dec 04 08:02:59 <mranostay> everyone is older than me!
Dec 04 08:03:04 <LetoThe2nd> \o/
Dec 04 08:03:10 <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: thanks
Dec 04 08:03:22 <mranostay> LetoThe2nd: hey old ____!
Dec 04 08:03:30 <LetoThe2nd> mranostay: hrhrhr
Dec 04 08:04:24 <mranostay> i hope prpplague knows no company is paying for employees to go to barbados :)
Dec 04 08:05:23 <mranostay> LetoThe2nd: so you have a keg coming?
Dec 04 08:05:39 <LetoThe2nd> mranostay: sure.
Dec 04 08:06:04 <mranostay> so you live outside Munich?
Dec 04 08:06:22 <_av500_> yes
Dec 04 08:06:25 <LetoThe2nd> mranostay: yep
Dec 04 08:06:35 <_av500_> mranostay: book a flight and crash the party
Dec 04 08:06:41 <_av500_> I will smuggle you in
Dec 04 08:06:48 <mranostay> well now i have about 8 hours vacation time...
Dec 04 08:06:51 * LetoThe2nd hides all arm dev baords in the house
Dec 04 08:07:01 <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: ok, I will bring more
Dec 04 08:08:10 <LetoThe2nd> *facepalm*
Dec 04 08:08:17 <mranostay> we all need to spill beer on a pandaboard for the fallen TI guys
Dec 04 08:09:02 <mranostay> you know E-ELC 2013 in Munich would have been great..
Dec 04 08:09:42 <LetoThe2nd> maybe 2014
Dec 04 08:09:51 <mranostay> although a female friend does like the U.K. :)..
Dec 04 08:10:07 <LetoThe2nd> "a" female friend. ah yes.
Dec 04 08:10:54 * mranostay is debating letting her meet the troll group
Dec 04 08:12:15 <LetoThe2nd> mranostay: tell her she has wear one of the following 1) a tizen shirt 2) a metal shirt 3) nothing^M^M a dune shirt ;)
Dec 04 08:12:53 <mranostay> hmmm 2 is the most likely
Dec 04 08:14:30 <mranostay> i kind warned her she'll probably have to met my weirdo friends
Dec 04 08:14:43 * mranostay glares at mru, _av500_,LetoThe2nd, and etc
Dec 04 08:15:29 * LetoThe2nd is not a friend. i am a 3500 year old go emperor sandworm.
Dec 04 08:15:39 <LetoThe2nd> i agree on the "weirdo", though ;)
Dec 04 08:16:32 <mranostay> christ don't mention the sandworm stuff please :)
Dec 04 08:16:42 <LetoThe2nd> :-(((
Dec 04 08:18:16 <mranostay> dammit i see a bug here... damn you panto :)
Dec 04 08:18:39 * LetoThe2nd also sees bugs.
Dec 04 08:18:54 <mranostay> how dare you have bad code i code verbatim
Dec 04 08:19:00 <mranostay> *copy
Dec 04 08:28:47 <_av500_> mranostay: weirdo?
Dec 04 08:28:48 <_av500_> me?
Dec 04 08:29:39 <_av500_> mranostay: I can be nice to ze ladies
Dec 04 08:29:45 <mranostay> you better me
Dec 04 08:29:48 <mranostay> *be
Dec 04 08:29:52 <_av500_> not, not you
Dec 04 08:29:55 <_av500_> sorry
Dec 04 08:30:00 <_av500_> have principles
Dec 04 08:30:04 <mranostay> i don't care about me
Dec 04 08:56:40 <panto> gm
Dec 04 08:56:46 <mranostay> panto: damn you!
Dec 04 08:57:11 <panto> is that a statement or endorsement?
Dec 04 08:59:52 <_av500_> resentment
Dec 04 09:00:12 <mranostay> _av500_: my broken german is more annoying than not knowing one word.... :)
Dec 04 09:01:46 <_av500_> mranostay: "Ein Bier bitte"
Dec 04 09:02:16 <mranostay> one beer little?
Dec 04 09:02:42 <mranostay> ah ein is a, correct?
Dec 04 09:02:47 <mranostay> eins is one
Dec 04 09:05:26 <_av500_> yes
Dec 04 09:05:43 <_av500_> and if you stab me, I cant buy you beer
Dec 04 09:05:55 <_av500_> and you look like 12, soso they wont sell you one
Dec 04 09:05:59 <_av500_> -so
Dec 04 09:06:16 <LetoThe2nd> looking like 16 is enough in germany, though ;)
Dec 04 09:08:07 <_av500_> true that
Dec 04 09:08:10 <_av500_> but not any more
Dec 04 09:08:21 <_av500_> I see them check IDs a lot at stores now
Dec 04 09:08:37 <_av500_> in the 80s, getting a beer for daddy by a 8y old was normal
Dec 04 09:09:23 <mranostay> i have never been "carded" in the EU. i don't think that even happens
Dec 04 09:10:09 <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: also 90ies
Dec 04 09:10:53 <LetoThe2nd> mranostay: thats because looking like 16 is rather easy. well, for us at least
Dec 04 09:11:32 <mranostay> i'm sure i was drinking with some 16 year old french girls on Paros, Greece :)
Dec 04 09:12:04 <mranostay> panto: good island btw :)
Dec 04 09:12:36 * LetoThe2nd was drinking with all kinds of people in epirus ;)
Dec 04 09:13:31 <panto> heh
Dec 04 09:13:36 <LetoThe2nd> but yeah, at least here they do the id checking pretty well, at least for spirits.
Dec 04 09:51:30 <mranostay> LetoThe2nd: i don't even carry my passport around in the EU
Dec 04 09:51:51 <mranostay> just my california driver's license
Dec 04 09:55:40 <_av500_> mranostay: I bet that looks like it cam out of a ceral box
Dec 04 09:55:43 <_av500_> came
Dec 04 09:55:46 <_av500_> cereal
Dec 04 09:55:48 <_av500_> argh
Dec 04 09:56:21 <mranostay> er no actaully
Dec 04 09:56:35 <mranostay> it probably one of harder to fake
Dec 04 09:56:46 <mranostay> i think you are thinking of Hawaii
Dec 04 09:57:40 <_av500_> mranostay: thinking US in genaral :)
Dec 04 09:59:21 <mranostay> ironically i only drank illegally a few times
Dec 04 09:59:39 <mranostay> 21-now is my big drinking years
Dec 04 10:08:39 <ant_work> koen: pls pull patchwork #40005
Dec 04 10:29:58 <keesj> can I add a magic command at the end of my bootcmd to get back to the u-boot prompt?
Dec 04 10:30:32 <panto> keesj, init=/sbin/reboot ?
Dec 04 10:31:34 <keesj> I mean I read u-env (load some kernel ) but don't want to do a "go 0x8.....). If I don't do that u-boot continues with some other defaults (getting the kernel  from tftp)
Dec 04 10:32:53 <panto> modify you bootcmd then?
Dec 04 10:34:29 <keesj> to what ? is there a "prompt" command I can add at the end?
Dec 04 10:36:03 <panto> keesj, # printenv
Dec 04 10:36:16 <panto> you don't add a command
Dec 04 10:36:28 <panto> just don't boot the kernel
Dec 04 10:40:12 <keesj> that would require changing bootcmd (it goes like "load uEvn.txt" from mmc  run if  bootmmcdmd else run pxe stuff). if I can add a simple "prompt" at the end of the mmboot command it would save me the trouble hence the question.
Dec 04 10:40:53 <panto> you could try putting an exit 0
Dec 04 10:41:08 <panto> no idea if it will work, you're request is pretty weird
Dec 04 10:41:09 <panto> *your
Dec 04 10:47:04 <keesj> I guess It's better asked @ the u-boot irc
Dec 04 10:51:06 <ant_work> koen: thx. Now waiting for 3.8 (it looks like linux-yocto will jump from 3.4 to 3.8)
Dec 04 11:27:01 <Nick_1> Hi, How can i start android porting on beagle board
Dec 04 11:35:34 <koen> Nick_1: *on* beagle or *to* beagle?
Dec 04 11:35:52 <koen> Nick_1: if it's *to* beagle, that has already been done
Dec 04 11:38:17 <LetoThe2nd> koen: tizen all the bit banging ports :)
Dec 04 11:41:58 <Nick_1> I want detailed information about kernel building and rootfs build, I want to do it from crash
Dec 04 11:42:08 <Nick_1> scratch
Dec 04 11:43:04 <Nick_1> <Koen > Can i have detailed guildeline
Dec 04 11:43:27 <LetoThe2nd> Nick_1: read up on AOSP, thats the generic process. adapt for the beagle later.
Dec 04 11:44:19 <Nick_1> LetoThe2nd: Ok
Dec 04 11:45:09 <LetoThe2nd> Nick_1: google has also lots of information, like http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Android
Dec 04 11:45:50 <ogra-cb> you mean they hide that info on wikis ?
Dec 04 11:45:52 <ogra-cb> evil
Dec 04 11:46:34 <LetoThe2nd> ogra-cb: yes. not putting it on www.the-exact-steps.info is really... i find no words.
Dec 04 11:46:46 <ogra-cb> ++
Dec 04 11:47:09 * LetoThe2nd is so tempted to grab that domanin
Dec 04 11:47:14 <ogra-cb> hehe
Dec 04 11:51:14 * LetoThe2nd hereby declares: the-exact-steps.net is mine!
Dec 04 11:54:56 <koen> LetoThe2nd: sweet!
Dec 04 11:55:09 <koen> LetoThe2nd: do you also have i-have-some-doubts.info?
Dec 04 11:55:31 <LetoThe2nd> koen: nope, that ones for av500
Dec 04 11:56:04 <LetoThe2nd> koen: you can have i-want-to-port.info, and mru gets send-me-the-codez.org
Dec 04 11:57:33 * LetoThe2nd feels reminded to setup all those vhosts one day.
Dec 04 11:58:17 <mru> LetoThe2nd: who gets i-am-facing-issues.biz?
Dec 04 11:58:47 <LetoThe2nd> mru: hm. either dave or matt, i'd suggest
Dec 04 11:59:51 <Nick_1> I am having issue with adding the new device on android rootfs
Dec 04 12:05:23 <Guest80222> Hi all. I had a brief question about product warranty. Hope you can help me :)   Im about to buy a BeagleBone from Mouser, and my question is: in the improbable case I recive a defect board, does the warranty cover all costs related to repair/replacement and transport? I live in europe, so I dont know if there will be any additional oversea-shipping cots for me.
Dec 04 12:06:15 <jackmitchell> Guest80222: How come you are ordering from Mouser? I believe Farnell would be a better option in Europe
Dec 04 12:06:34 <jackmitchell> Guest80222: also known as Element14, I think...
Dec 04 12:06:51 <Guest80222> Because of the price. But ill check it out again. Mouser was the cheapest compared to the rest
Dec 04 12:06:57 <Guest80222> Ill have a look again on farnell
Dec 04 12:11:22 <Guest80222> Wait what? Mouser just increased in 4€ the cost of the board compared to 2 days ago
Dec 04 12:12:31 <Guest80222> now its almost even with farnell
Dec 04 12:13:12 <Guest80222> but bag again to my question. In case its defect, do I have to assume any cots?
Dec 04 12:14:03 <jackmitchell> Guest80222: If it is defective on arrival then I would RMA back to Farnell (which I know is free) or Mouser (I don't know there RMA procedure)
Dec 04 12:14:38 <jackmitchell> Guest80222: if it becomes defective I believe RMA postage costs back to BeagleBoard HQ are your responsibility (but don't quote me on that ;) )
Dec 04 12:14:51 <LetoThe2nd> depends a bit on local law
Dec 04 12:15:15 <Guest80222> So I would have to assume to costs of sending it back...
Dec 04 12:15:37 <jackmitchell> Guest80222: Why do you think it would break, are you planning on doing odd things with it?
Dec 04 12:15:38 <LetoThe2nd> if your local law entitles you that all resulting costs are at the expense of the dealer, then better pick a local dealer, even for a few bucks more.
Dec 04 12:16:10 <jackmitchell> Guest80222: If not, get a case, get a good quality power supply and don't go putting 5v down the GPIO :)
Dec 04 12:17:38 <Guest80222> In that case Ill reconsider using Mouser in favour of Farnell
Dec 04 12:17:56 <Guest80222> and I wont be using a cheap PSU better then :)
Dec 04 12:18:47 <Guest80222> ok. Now I have things a bit more clear. You helped me a lot! ty :)
Dec 04 12:23:25 <Guest80222> See you soon. And thank you again!
Dec 04 12:36:12 <KotH> grüezi
Dec 04 12:41:20 <_av500_> jo
Dec 04 12:41:33 <panto> yoyo
Dec 04 12:49:34 <mru> yoko
Dec 04 12:49:58 <LetoThe2nd> ono
Dec 04 12:51:31 <_av500_> nono, not ono
Dec 04 12:55:29 <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: your domain is 404
Dec 04 12:55:58 <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: no wonder, as it a) was registered just a few hours ago b) there is no httpd running
Dec 04 12:56:47 <_av500_> pah
Dec 04 12:56:56 <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: do i look as if i had the slightest clue of exact steps? ;)
Dec 04 12:56:59 <_av500_> where is my five nines
Dec 04 12:57:06 <_av500_> no
Dec 04 12:57:24 <LetoThe2nd> so what did you expect? ;)
Dec 04 12:58:53 <KotH> at least 4 nines and swiss chocolate
Dec 04 12:59:20 <dm8tbr> LetoThe2nd: domain?
Dec 04 12:59:30 <KotH> www.the-exact-steps.info
Dec 04 13:00:20 * LetoThe2nd accepts suggestions on what to put there.
Dec 04 13:00:47 <KotH> the exact steps to aquire info?
Dec 04 13:00:54 <mru> a wiki
Dec 04 13:01:01 <mru> of links to wikis with steps
Dec 04 13:01:55 <KotH> dance steps?
Dec 04 13:02:04 <mru> if they are exact
Dec 04 13:02:06 <KotH> measured down to the milimeter
Dec 04 14:21:26 <keesj> kernel stuff?
Dec 04 14:21:39 <keesj> (oops)
Dec 04 14:22:48 <mru> keesj: since you're here... is there a somewhat modern compiler available for minix3?
Dec 04 14:25:36 <keesj> clang is the default
Dec 04 14:26:15 <mru> yes, a random, broken snapshot
Dec 04 14:26:51 <_av500_> there no 2.95 for it?
Dec 04 14:27:02 <mru> _av500_: you're thinking of haiku
Dec 04 14:27:10 <keesj> there was a GSoC project to port gcc 4.7 but we are currently first aiming for the 4.5 from netbsd
Dec 04 14:27:27 <mru> you're aware that 4.5 is dead upstream?
Dec 04 14:27:35 <mru> and 4.6 is best skipped
Dec 04 14:27:48 <mru> even-parity gcc versions are bad
Dec 04 14:28:10 <keesj> there where also problems with 4.7 (abi stuff?)
Dec 04 14:28:20 <mru> 4.7 seems pretty good to me
Dec 04 14:28:35 <mru> I think I'll be switching to that as my primary compiler soon
Dec 04 14:29:19 <mru> maybe once 4.7.3 comes out
Dec 04 14:30:19 <mru> keesj: this is what mean by broken: http://fate.libav.org/x86_32-minix-clang/20121204014824
Dec 04 14:33:07 <keesj> hi mru how to interpret the results? we can have a look at it
Dec 04 14:33:36 <keesj> you might want to join #minix and complain there :P
Dec 04 14:44:35 <_av500_> keesj: interpret? read the error messages
Dec 04 15:10:08 <yegorich> HI! Anyone tried http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-am33x.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/lcd-fbset
Dec 04 15:10:35 <mru> hopefully the person who put it there has
Dec 04 15:10:42 <mru> but I wouldn't count on it
Dec 04 15:10:46 <yegorich> though both eth 0 and eth1 will be initialized, the eth1 is working only from time to time
Dec 04 15:11:17 <yegorich> eariler verion on linux-am33x had no problems with dual-mac
Dec 04 15:11:40 <yegorich> mru: O.K. I'm on my own again ;-)
Dec 04 15:12:31 <yegorich> is there any special mailing list for arago kernel repos?
Dec 04 15:14:31 <koen> heh
Dec 04 15:14:44 <koen> yegorich: TI people get fired for asking about mailinglists
Dec 04 15:15:07 <yegorich> koen: right, how could I forget this
Dec 04 15:15:10 <koen> yegorich: you're much better off tracking mainline nowadays
Dec 04 15:15:58 <yegorich> koen: hope the Linus would release 3.7 next week, so that the show for 3.8 can begin
Dec 04 15:15:59 <denix> koen: that's a new one! :)
Dec 04 15:16:08 <denix> koen: do you refer to wbu?
Dec 04 15:16:14 <mdp> koen, fascinating
Dec 04 15:16:56 <koen> denix: you know nageswari and how she works
Dec 04 15:17:07 <yegorich> koen: I need dual-mac function, still don't see it in linux-omap or linux-next
Dec 04 15:17:34 <denix> koen: firing people for asking about mailing lists? :)
Dec 04 15:17:44 <mdp> yegorich: did you contact the cpsw maintainer?
Dec 04 15:17:52 <koen> denix: trying very hard to at least
Dec 04 15:18:02 <koen> denix: I know that from personal experience
Dec 04 15:18:10 <yegorich> by the way, what is the proper way to deal with enable signals on wl1271 cards in the time of DT?
Dec 04 15:18:11 <denix> wow
Dec 04 15:18:32 <koen> yegorich: wl12xx has no DT support yet :(
Dec 04 15:19:05 <mdp> heh, I had to work around lack of wl12xx DT support for dmaengine xbar testing
Dec 04 15:19:09 <denix> btw, I was wondering myself about a public psp list for long time...
Dec 04 15:19:21 <yegorich> koen: you mean, as soon as it will have, I just need to say on which pin enable signal is connected and then the driver makes startup sequence?
Dec 04 15:19:29 <koen> denix: e2e is the one and only way
Dec 04 15:19:41 <mdp> yegorich, the runtime power sequencing framework?
Dec 04 15:19:49 <denix> koen: I know and I'm staying away...
Dec 04 15:20:07 <yegorich> koen: perhaps, must take a look at this
Dec 04 15:21:04 <koen> yegorich: right, once it has dt support, it should be a matter of listing the gpio
Dec 04 15:21:23 <yegorich> by e2e I sometimes has a feeling, that the are mostly hardware people without deep Linux knowlegde ....
Dec 04 15:21:55 <koen> yegorich: like this: http://pastebin.com/5M8090NG
Dec 04 15:22:10 <mdp> e2e has s/w apps people monitoring that work on linux FT
Dec 04 15:22:57 <yegorich> koen: thanks
Dec 04 15:23:48 <yegorich> mdp: right, but there also some, that give proper links to errata or technical reference manual
Dec 04 15:24:39 <mdp> as with community "forums", the quality of answers will vary
Dec 04 15:25:27 <yegorich> mdp: :-)
Dec 04 15:25:38 <mdp> the only metric tracked on e2e is that the reply count is >=1 within 24 hrs of post
Dec 04 15:48:31 <KotH> mdp: at least the answer on the ti forum are not totally crap
Dec 04 15:48:44 <KotH> mdp: i have yet to find a usefull answer on the freescale forums
Dec 04 17:17:02 <mdp> KotH: yeah, there's a lot of quality info on e2e..you have to get past the fact that web ph0rums are not the best tool for some exchanges is all
Dec 04 17:17:32 <clockman> I'm having a very annoying problem of gnuscreen terminating my detached sessions after I log out of an SSH session. Just like these people: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/beagleboard/S_R8NaCaiL8/fpNnAEG4v0wJ has anyone come up with a fix for this yet?
Dec 04 17:17:43 <mdp> KotH, I learn a lot from e2e as it's quite often that an email query to other TIers results in non-response ;)
Dec 04 17:46:13 <KotH> mdp: that's why someone invented the telephone... just call them, they can't ignore you anymore once the picked up the phone :->
Dec 04 17:47:50 <mdp> hrm, I hadn't thought of that
Dec 04 17:48:16 * mdp looks for the telephone
Dec 04 17:50:32 <mru> mdp: want KotH's number?
Dec 04 17:50:47 * mdp can't find the phone!
Dec 04 18:15:31 <mranostay> mru: according to linkedin i'm a bigger troll
Dec 04 18:16:09 <prpplague> hehe
Dec 04 18:16:41 <mru> prpplague: please endorse me
Dec 04 18:16:57 <prpplague> hehe
Dec 04 18:19:01 <prpplague> mru: wow, how did i not have you on my connections?
Dec 04 18:19:26 <mdp> mru, connecting...now. I will endorse you
Dec 04 18:31:34 <mdp> mranostay, "agile" ;) I'm reminded about doing a recommendation against our EA years
Dec 04 18:38:43 <mranostay> someone endorse my bitbanging
Dec 04 18:40:21 <mdp> mranostay, job offers should be flooding in soon
Dec 04 18:40:45 <mdp> I should send some of these TIRecruiterTrolls in your direction, they are sooo annoying
Dec 04 18:56:11 <KotH> mdp: uhmm..wait.. they just fired 1700 people and are now hiring again?
Dec 04 18:56:58 <panto> it's one way for the recruiters to have work all the time
Dec 04 18:57:25 <mdp> KotH: sorry for the confusion..I meant that as soon as the layoff was happening I saw a ton of recruiters hitting me on linkedin looking for names of people that need jobs...I assume anybody else with TI as their current saw similar
Dec 04 18:58:25 <thurbad> got several calls from head hunters asking if we were hiring here in austin
Dec 04 18:58:40 <KotH> mdp: ah..
Dec 04 18:58:42 <KotH> mdp: ok..
Dec 04 18:58:47 <woglinde> koth it is good behavoir to have job offers even your company is broken
Dec 04 18:59:13 <woglinde> koth you find tons of this example
Dec 04 19:00:25 <mdp> KotH, it was only one small part of TI with the layoff, btw...so plenty of hiring going on for other skills
Dec 04 19:01:34 <prpplague> plus if you consider contractors it was closer to 2500 people
Dec 04 19:03:16 <mdp> KotH, I'm sure analog designers are being hired today...which couldn't be filled by OMAP people
Dec 04 19:06:39 <KotH> mdp: juup.. but i dont assume that mranostay is an analog guy.. at least the home made cardigan was missing ;)
Dec 04 19:06:50 <mdp> lol
Dec 04 19:07:15 <mdp> sadly, mranostay is unhireable :(
Dec 04 19:07:22 <mranostay> no but  i play one on IRC
Dec 04 19:07:42 <KotH> mdp: why? too young?
Dec 04 19:07:54 <mdp> mranostay, I was thinking about that again due to the recent g+ thread on value of a degree :-/
Dec 04 19:07:54 <mru> I'd hire him
Dec 04 19:08:04 <mdp> mru, me too, I did it once before ;)
Dec 04 19:08:26 <KotH> ah.. the you-must-have-a-degree-to-work-for-us-thingy?
Dec 04 19:08:33 <mdp> +1
Dec 04 19:09:25 <KotH> well.. a degree tells you at least that the guy was able to get a degree.. so he can't be more stupid than 90% of the population
Dec 04 19:10:06 <mru> depends on the degree
Dec 04 19:10:25 <mru> to some degree
Dec 04 19:10:58 <KotH> well he got one, so it at least occured to him that a degree might be usefull, which places him higher than the lower 10%
Dec 04 19:12:15 * prpplague waits for the flames on KotH to begin
Dec 04 19:12:25 <mranostay> gee thanks KotH :)
Dec 04 19:12:43 <mdp> KotH: mranostay knows we had to terminate a guy that had a degree because he was complete and totally _useless_.
Dec 04 19:13:00 <KotH> lol
Dec 04 19:13:20 <KotH> mdp: i've seen enough already that the degree doesnt tell more than that
Dec 04 19:13:22 <mdp> mranostay, pretty easy to narrow that one down in our little tiny office of 3, eh?
Dec 04 19:13:44 <KotH> mdp: and i know a few guys who i still wonder how they managed to get even past one exam
Dec 04 19:14:13 <KotH> mranostay: dont take it personal, there is a top 10% that doesnt need a degree to prove they know stuff :)
Dec 04 19:15:05 <mdp> KotH, you hit on the reason why several all-stars that work/worked for TI are/were contractors
Dec 04 19:15:15 <mdp> at least people on my all-star list
Dec 04 19:15:21 <mdp> ;)
Dec 04 19:16:24 <mdp> luckily there's way to game the system and get work done
Dec 04 19:17:01 <mru> and make money
Dec 04 19:17:40 <mdp> it can be a struggle to fight the culture of failure at many companies
Dec 04 19:19:16 <KotH> mdp: i might not be as experienced as you are, but i've seen enough to know a few things :-/
Dec 04 19:19:29 <mdp> doesn't take long
Dec 04 19:20:18 * NishanthMenon munches on hay meanwhile
Dec 04 19:20:55 <mdp> NishanthMenon: hay prices are up..please ration your supplies
Dec 04 19:20:58 <mru> NishanthMenon: they turned you into a horse?!
Dec 04 19:21:37 <NishanthMenon> mru, http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_animal_eats_hay :P
Dec 04 19:21:56 <reanguiano> Smart.  Gets things Done.  Isn't a Jerk.  It sounds so simple, but hiring is a real pain.  :)
Dec 04 19:22:26 * mranostay waves to reanguiano 
Dec 04 19:22:31 * mdp considers that #cattleday could be a good response to #caturday peeps
Dec 04 19:22:45 * reanguiano waves back to mranostay 
Dec 04 19:22:58 <reanguiano> mranostay: Still enjoying the Bay Area?
Dec 04 19:23:11 <mranostay> versus snow, yes :)
Dec 04 19:23:15 <mdp> mranostay, on topic-ness, did you make any progress with the PRU nixie stuff
Dec 04 19:23:45 <mranostay> no day job and had to track down a silly bug in my PWM code
Dec 04 19:24:00 <mdp> understood..just meant last night..okie dokie
Dec 04 19:24:11 <mranostay> mdp: pwm bug :)
Dec 04 19:24:20 <mdp> day job is also slowing down my important projects
Dec 04 19:24:22 <mranostay> how dare code i copied from panto have bugs :)
Dec 04 19:24:39 <panto> no way
Dec 04 19:24:40 <mru> mdp: :)
Dec 04 19:26:11 <mdp> mranostay, hehe, unpossible...I use him as the bug detector for my codez...are you telling me my test codez have bugz?
Dec 04 19:34:35 <woglinde> lol
Dec 04 19:36:23 <mranostay> reanguiano: how is it going in ricardo-world?
Dec 04 19:37:52 <Russ> NishanthMenon, my bunnies will be most displeased
Dec 04 19:38:03 <Russ> also, the list is incomplete, my dogs eat hay too
Dec 04 19:38:24 <reanguiano> mranostay: Pretty good.  We got almost 5 inches of rain with the last storm.  It was neat watching the creeks rise, but with no actual damage caused.
Dec 04 19:41:36 <reanguiano> Though I really must improve my drainage around this place.
Dec 04 19:44:06 <mranostay> built a moat
Dec 04 19:44:12 <mranostay> *build even
Dec 04 19:44:50 <mru> with sharks
Dec 04 19:45:44 <LetoThe2nd> howdy trolls
Dec 04 19:47:49 <NishanthMenon> Russ, ;)
Dec 04 19:50:19 <mdp> my dogs prefer rye grass and rabbits ;)
Dec 04 19:50:57 <mru> I don't mind eating hay
Dec 04 19:51:02 <mru> in the form of cows
Dec 04 19:51:32 * LetoThe2nd saw mru actually eating something like vegetables.
Dec 04 19:52:15 <mranostay> lies!
Dec 04 19:52:53 <mru> humans are omnivores
Dec 04 19:53:05 <LetoThe2nd> as i am a god emperor, i can decided what truth and lies are made of. for the rest, we have the ministry of truth ;)
Dec 04 19:53:21 <mru> although it's possible to survive as a vegetarian
Dec 04 19:53:37 <mru> LetoThe2nd: and the ministry of silly walks
Dec 04 19:53:53 <LetoThe2nd> mru: "possible" is exactly the correct word.
Dec 04 19:54:02 <mranostay> a few things that are hard to find in plants
Dec 04 19:54:10 <LetoThe2nd> mr like meat.
Dec 04 19:54:27 <mranostay> like B12
Dec 04 19:54:58 <mranostay> which ironically most B12 capsules are made from animal products. don't tell the vegans :)
Dec 04 19:55:26 <KotH> is there a way to synthesise b12?
Dec 04 19:55:37 <KotH> or: what are the others made of?
Dec 04 19:55:40 <mru> KotH: maybe, but it's probably more expensive
Dec 04 19:56:00 <mru> other what?
Dec 04 19:56:13 <mranostay> and it kinda hurts the point we 'aren't suppose to eat meat'
Dec 04 19:57:21 <KotH> mru: if most of the capsules are made from animals, what are the others made from?
Dec 04 19:57:36 <mru> the rest are fake
Dec 04 19:57:52 <mranostay> fake animals?
Dec 04 19:57:58 <mdp> unicorns
Dec 04 19:58:13 <mranostay> dammit porter i had that typed out :)
Dec 04 19:58:33 <mranostay> mdp: north korea found those so not fake anymore
Dec 04 19:58:42 <mru> yeah, b12 pills are a huge export from NK
Dec 04 19:58:50 <mdp> quadricorns, then
Dec 04 19:59:04 <LetoThe2nd> multicorns, generally
Dec 04 19:59:12 <mdp> mranostay, north korea is like a paradise it seems
Dec 04 19:59:13 <mranostay> candycorns?
Dec 04 19:59:32 <mranostay> LinxCon North Korea?
Dec 04 19:59:42 <mdp> Win China!!!
Dec 04 20:00:13 <mdp> make the B12 capsules from candycorn, that'll work
Dec 04 20:00:13 <KotH> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yJCNNwHUOE
Dec 04 20:00:17 <mdp> gummycorns
Dec 04 20:00:48 <KotH> (not safe for kids or work)
Dec 04 20:01:08 <mdp> KotH: so far it looks ok for my daughter...
Dec 04 20:01:33 <mdp> KotH: but I'm guessing I should take the advice.. ;)
Dec 04 20:01:47 <KotH> mdp: dont show it to your daughter
Dec 04 20:01:51 <Russ> mdp, aren't they opening some new big hotel too? it could be perfect
Dec 04 20:01:51 <mdp> :)
Dec 04 20:01:55 <KotH> mdp: work might be ok, depends on your boss :)
Dec 04 20:02:10 <mdp> my boss never comes in my office
Dec 04 20:02:13 <Russ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel
Dec 04 20:02:18 <mru> Russ: the one that's been opening Real Soon Now for the last 25 year
Dec 04 20:02:19 <mru> s
Dec 04 20:02:35 <Russ> actually, no, construction started up again 2008 full bore
Dec 04 20:02:49 <Russ> the picture on the WP acticle is an actual, not a render
Dec 04 20:02:58 <mranostay> who the hell wants to visit North Korea?
Dec 04 20:03:25 <Russ> unicorns?
Dec 04 20:04:01 <mranostay> ah right what was i thinking?
Dec 04 20:04:16 <mdp> it's the next big market
Dec 04 20:04:28 <mdp> there's a chance to be leaders here
Dec 04 20:04:54 <mdp> KotH, lol, yeah, that could ruin things for her
Dec 04 20:06:14 <KotH> mdp: on the other hand, it bears an important lesson to be learned
Dec 04 20:06:17 <Russ> I'm pretty sure I remember something in an employee training video about north korea
Dec 04 20:06:19 <KotH> mdp: similar to little red cap
Dec 04 20:06:30 <mdp> hehe
Dec 04 20:06:31 <Russ> must have been something about it being the next big market then
Dec 04 20:07:32 <KotH> mdp: especially old children stories used to be pretty bloody
Dec 04 20:07:47 <KotH> mdp: best example is probably max&moritz
Dec 04 20:07:51 <KotH> mdp: if you know that
Dec 04 20:07:53 <mru> where's alan_o?
Dec 04 20:08:30 <spacecolonyone> Hey guys I'm having trouble figuring out why connman won't request an IP with I connect an ethernet cable to a USB adapter on the BBxM.
Dec 04 20:08:42 <mdp> KotH: yes! a lot of Grimm's tales are somewhat grim too
Dec 04 20:09:12 <KotH> mdp: grimm is nothing compared to stuff like struwwelpeter :)
Dec 04 20:09:47 <KotH> mdp: and guess what, i read that as a child... it was one of the childrens books at the doctor back when i was around 6 or so
Dec 04 20:10:06 <spacecolonyone> If I run udhcpc -i eth1 or the connman test set-ipv4-methon <ID> dhcp, it works
Dec 04 20:10:44 <spacecolonyone> but if I unplug the cable or the network goes down it won't bring itself back up without me repeating the process
Dec 04 20:11:20 <mdp> KotH: my mom still has an english translation of m&m
Dec 04 20:11:52 <mdp> KotH, german family, but quit speaking german post-war here
Dec 04 20:12:09 <KotH> understandable
Dec 04 20:12:18 <mdp> I read it when I was a bit older..you just reminded me I should show mine
Dec 04 20:12:19 <mdp> thx!
Dec 04 20:12:24 <mdp> older ones ;)
Dec 04 20:12:52 <KotH> mdp: how old are your children, if i may ask?
Dec 04 20:13:04 <mdp> 14,12,8
Dec 04 20:13:20 <KotH> hmm...
Dec 04 20:13:30 <KotH> here nobody would have problems to show m&m to an 8 old child
Dec 04 20:13:32 <mdp> my 8 does not like anything marginally scary
Dec 04 20:13:41 <mru> kids these days...
Dec 04 20:13:42 <mdp> she's "delicate" ;)
Dec 04 20:13:43 <KotH> so ka... well.. then :)
Dec 04 20:13:51 <mdp> individual basis
Dec 04 20:13:54 <KotH> but, wouldnt that be a reason to actually show her that stuff?
Dec 04 20:13:56 <elik> what's m&m?
Dec 04 20:14:03 <KotH> max und moritz
Dec 04 20:14:06 <mdp> KotH: I don't run the show ;)
Dec 04 20:14:12 <elik> thx
Dec 04 20:14:21 <KotH> mdp: aren't you the man in the house? ;)
Dec 04 20:14:38 <mdp> KotH: you come here and explain that!
Dec 04 20:14:40 <mdp> ;)
Dec 04 20:14:53 <KotH> sure, just send me my plane tickets ;)
Dec 04 20:15:05 <KotH> oh.. and you have to bribe the TSA because of this list they have
Dec 04 20:15:27 <mdp> you'd think they would be discounted to terminate in an undesirable location like here
Dec 04 20:15:33 <mdp> hehe
Dec 04 20:16:08 <mdp> KotH: we're all just one clerical error from being on "the list"
Dec 04 20:16:28 <mranostay> mdp: i was telling prpplague there is no seasonal change in rates to ohio :)
Dec 04 20:17:20 <mdp> mranostay, I still can't believe we sometimes paid 110USD to fly from AZ<->OH...back in the day
Dec 04 20:18:06 * KotH used to pay that much for ZRH<->IST
Dec 04 20:18:19 <mdp> pre-TSA and the general epic crappiness of .us air travel
Dec 04 20:18:31 <KotH> nowadays it's cheaper to book a flight to ny for a weekend.. including hotel, than for a single trip to .tr
Dec 04 20:18:41 <mdp> KotH: *sigh*
Dec 04 20:19:00 <KotH> yeah..
Dec 04 20:22:56 <KotH> lol... flight to ist over new year: 850.- no hotel, flight to ny with hotel and party guide: 750.-
Dec 04 20:23:29 <mranostay> party guide?
Dec 04 20:23:36 <mranostay> friend that likes drinking?
Dec 04 20:23:49 <KotH> well, if you are in ny for new year, then you want to party, dont you?
Dec 04 20:24:27 <KotH> i guess they have some party tickets or something..
Dec 04 20:24:44 <KotH> or maybe just show you where the times square is
Dec 04 20:25:49 <mranostay> i don't need an event to drink :)
Dec 04 20:26:15 <KotH> i know, you can be drunk without having fun ;)
Dec 04 20:26:37 <mranostay> hey!
Dec 04 20:27:02 <mdp> times square looks awfully cold and crowded on new years eve
Dec 04 20:27:06 <KotH> eh.. if i book with a hotel, i can fly cheaper
Dec 04 20:27:18 <KotH> 290.- for one week in .tr
Dec 04 20:27:40 <KotH> i guess i do that next time i fly there.. just go to my relatives instead of the hotel
Dec 04 20:28:38 <mru> they will send an agent to the hotel to make sure you're there
Dec 04 20:28:54 <KotH> turkey is not north korea
Dec 04 20:29:04 <KotH> beside, i'm turkish citizen
Dec 04 20:29:27 <mru> in north korea, you'd better not be a north korean citizen
Dec 04 20:29:30 <mranostay> both places you are unlikely to find me in :)
Dec 04 20:29:43 <mranostay> mru: hello there spy
Dec 04 20:29:44 <KotH> mranostay: why?
Dec 04 20:30:05 <KotH> mranostay: ok, nk i can understand, but whats bad about tr?
Dec 04 20:30:58 <mru> hmm, wonder if mike melanson is off the hook for .tr military service yet
Dec 04 20:30:58 <mranostay> ok sell me on going there :)
Dec 04 20:31:19 <KotH> mru: he is probably way to old already
Dec 04 20:31:39 <KotH> mru: and getting of the hook is easy: go to the embassy, tell them you did your service in $other_army and you're done
Dec 04 20:31:50 <mru> but he didn't
Dec 04 20:31:55 <KotH> who cares?
Dec 04 20:31:59 <KotH> he doesnt have to
Dec 04 20:32:09 <KotH> he just needs a stamp
Dec 04 20:32:21 <panto> g'night
Dec 04 20:32:31 <mranostay> no proof required?
Dec 04 20:32:50 <KotH> mranostay: nice weather, good food, gorgeeous girls,... :)
Dec 04 20:33:18 <mranostay> i have that here
Dec 04 20:33:35 <KotH> mranostay: you're missing the exotic component ;)
Dec 04 20:33:38 <mru> true, california has all of that
Dec 04 20:36:59 <mdp> mranostay, and yet you choose to go into work all day and miss all that
Dec 04 20:37:06 <mdp> for shame
Dec 04 20:41:53 <KotH> Subject: Join us for our first email delivery webinar
Dec 04 20:42:05 <KotH> email delivery - the rocket science of the 21st century
Dec 04 21:29:20 <Crofton> http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/12/sexual-politics-flight?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/whatwomenwant
Dec 04 22:04:32 <mranostay> ah SFW?
Dec 04 22:04:57 <Crofton> yeah
Dec 04 22:05:01 <Crofton> it is the Economist
Dec 04 22:05:13 <Crofton> probably explains why mru flies BA
Dec 04 22:05:48 <mranostay> because he is secretly a woman?
Dec 04 22:09:46 <mranostay> Crofton: who really wants the window seat?
Dec 04 22:09:55 <Crofton> I think he likes to hang out with women
Dec 04 22:12:06 <Russ> so opposite
Dec 04 22:12:26 <Russ> I love window seats, my wife loves aisle seats
Dec 04 22:12:38 <Crofton> same here
Dec 04 22:13:06 <mdp> Russ, who loves the hairy sweaty person that will inevitably end up between you?
Dec 04 22:13:28 <mranostay> mdp: both of them i guess
Dec 04 22:13:37 <Russ> I usually take the middle, she gets the aisle
Dec 04 22:13:40 <mru> Crofton: I haven't noticed an abundance of women on ba flights
Dec 04 22:13:47 <mdp> Russ, that's what we do too
Dec 04 22:14:10 <mdp> book the outer, offer sweaty-guy the aisle or window upgrade ;)
Dec 04 22:14:30 <Russ> that usually works well too
Dec 04 22:14:43 <mranostay> anyone else like playing the game "which one of these people coming down the aisle will i be stuck next too for the next 12 hours"? :)
Dec 04 22:14:51 <Crofton> yeah
Dec 04 22:15:23 <Russ> that's almost as good as the, is my flight delayed because it's about to be canceled game
Dec 04 22:17:24 <mru> on the A320-class planes, I always try to get seat 4C or 5C
Dec 04 22:17:45 <mru> and then stroll aboard among the last 5
Dec 04 22:17:46 <mranostay> mru: er near first class?
Dec 04 22:17:47 <Russ> what seat that is will vary by airline
Dec 04 22:17:53 <mru> on BA
Dec 04 22:18:03 <mru> first row of economy
Dec 04 22:18:17 <Russ> ok, because I was going to say, if you stroll on late to a us airways flight, especially on the first row, you are so screwed
Dec 04 22:18:27 <mru> aisle seat with no middle seat
Dec 04 22:18:28 <Russ> no place to put either carry-on, you'd be checking your laptop
Dec 04 22:18:47 <mru> there's always ample storage space in front of the curtain
Dec 04 22:18:56 <Russ> not on us airways
Dec 04 22:19:05 <mru> I don't fly with them
Dec 04 22:19:09 <Russ> probably on ba
Dec 04 22:20:52 <mranostay> we should have a troll plane connection for the next ELCE
Dec 04 22:21:06 <Russ> LA?
Dec 04 22:21:24 <mru> airline pilots are often quite trollish
Dec 04 22:25:53 <Crofton> we need to start a copmany and get bought by google
Dec 04 22:26:07 <Crofton> so we have enough money to charter planes for trips
Dec 04 22:26:24 <mranostay> trolltech? oh crap
Dec 04 22:27:48 <mranostay> Crofton: doing nextgen hacking?
Dec 04 22:28:01 <Crofton> rofl
Dec 04 22:28:46 <mdp> you're just sorry they don't put lastgen hackerz on the newz
Dec 04 22:34:20 <mranostay> mdp: can't hack with a acoustic coupling modem anymore?
Dec 04 22:35:54 <mdp> I'm so young my first modem was only missing the auto originate feature
Dec 04 22:36:04 <mdp> missed out on the romantic world of acoustic couplers
Dec 04 22:37:55 <mranostay> so i assume you had to manually hangup the receiver to redial on those things
Dec 04 22:37:56 <unsolo> hi guys
Dec 04 22:38:58 <mdp> mranostay, yeah, you dialed your number on the handset...did an ATO on the machine then hung up your handset
Dec 04 22:39:11 <mdp> mranostay, frugal design
Dec 04 22:39:59 <mranostay> so the wardialing in wargames wasn't even possible right? :)
Dec 04 22:40:18 <mdp> sure, with an auto originating coupler
Dec 04 22:40:31 <mdp> it's just I had limited funds at that age ;)
Dec 04 22:40:39 <unsolo> im running some fp code natively on a cortex-a8 with very limited profiling capabilities.. i managed to change the processing time from 32 to about 9 ms by changing to vfpv3 with softfp and roughly the same with neon. however since im using the 2009.q1 version of the codesourcery lite toolchain im guessing stuff like cos sin sqrt abs etc get really bad performance ? does it sound reasonable that the math lib is compiled w/o any fp support ?
Dec 04 22:40:58 <mdp> and climbing into telco manholes is far more fun
Dec 04 22:41:21 <mranostay> any criminal trespass on your youth record?
Dec 04 22:41:37 <mdp> no, I've never done anything wrong
Dec 04 22:42:25 <mranostay> come on your are among trolls
Dec 04 22:44:45 <codefreak> Hey Guys, Am trying to write a simple USB keyboard driver using interrupts. Whats the port to read the Scan Code. Am using inb(0x60), leading to kernel errors. But the same code was working fine on my laptop.
Dec 04 22:45:55 <mranostay> er
Dec 04 22:46:01 <jacekowski> codefreak: errrrrrr
Dec 04 22:46:04 <jacekowski> codefreak: you can't do that
Dec 04 22:46:24 <mranostay> why would you want to do that is another question
Dec 04 22:46:38 <jacekowski> codefreak: inb(0x60) is legacy x86 stuff
Dec 04 22:46:38 <Russ> whoa
Dec 04 22:46:52 <codefreak> oh. what is the equivalent for ARM.
Dec 04 22:46:59 <mranostay> hehehehe
Dec 04 22:47:07 <Russ> I was trying to eat something
Dec 04 22:47:11 <jacekowski> codefreak: there isn't
Dec 04 22:47:12 <Russ> cough cough cough cough
Dec 04 22:47:17 <woglinde> lol
Dec 04 22:47:26 * unsolo notices the vast response and goes back to google :)
Dec 04 22:47:27 <jacekowski> codefreak: and inb(0x60) will not work on most of x86 computers as well
Dec 04 22:47:37 <Russ> just read from the appropriate /dev/input/eventN
Dec 04 22:47:43 <Russ> or stdin...
Dec 04 22:47:52 <jacekowski> codefreak: what it's doing is using bios emulation of legacy ps2 keyboard
Dec 04 22:48:03 <codefreak> http://sprunge.us/BYeJ
Dec 04 22:48:17 <woglinde> why he writes a usb kbd driver at all?
Dec 04 22:48:30 <codefreak> As part of some college assginment. :)
Dec 04 22:48:41 <codefreak> Trying to implement a interrupt handler.
Dec 04 22:48:46 <woglinde> lol
Dec 04 22:49:23 <jacekowski> codefreak: it's not going to work on ARM like that
Dec 04 22:49:25 <woglinde> anyway I am heading to bed
Dec 04 22:49:27 <Russ> a usb keyboard driver doesn't have an interrupt handler
Dec 04 22:49:35 <jacekowski> codefreak: and it won't work reliably on x86
Dec 04 22:49:41 <woglinde> russ he maybee uses minix
Dec 04 22:49:55 <Russ> see drivers/hid/usbhid/usbkbd.c
Dec 04 22:50:14 <woglinde> russ thats cheating
Dec 04 22:50:25 <Russ> fine then read the usb spec and the hid
Dec 04 22:50:37 <codefreak> jacekowski : Am trying to implement a interrupt handler for Keyboard. So its no way possible to write a interrupt handler for keyboard on Arm /beagleboard. ?
Dec 04 22:50:46 <Russ> codefreak, read the usb spec
Dec 04 22:51:18 <jacekowski> codefreak: it is possible
Dec 04 22:51:26 <Russ> http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb_20_110512.zip
Dec 04 22:51:30 <jacekowski> codefreak: but ARM has completly different keyboard controller
Dec 04 22:51:36 <Russ> http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/HID1_11.pdf
Dec 04 22:51:42 <jacekowski> codefreak: you don't understand interrupts
Dec 04 22:52:09 <Russ> you submit at interrupt urb, wait for it to come back, read the data, and submit a new one
Dec 04 22:52:50 <Russ> codefreak, why arm?
Dec 04 22:53:12 <jacekowski> codefreak: how did that thing work in a first place is a mystery
Dec 04 22:53:20 <jacekowski> codefreak: because you are hooking into IRQ 1
Dec 04 22:53:23 <codefreak> jacekowski : Ok am learning interrupts.
Dec 04 22:53:24 <jacekowski> IRQ77
Dec 04 22:53:34 <jacekowski> when you are supposed to be using IRQ1 for keyboard
Dec 04 22:53:41 <codefreak> It works fine on my x86 ( laptop )
Dec 04 22:54:01 <jacekowski> where did you get 77 from?
Dec 04 22:54:30 <codefreak> figured out IRQ77 as USB Keyboard IRQ line on beagleboard from /proc/interrupts
Dec 04 22:54:52 * Russ the face...the palm...
Dec 04 22:55:17 <Russ> a usb keyboard is connected through a usb controller, totally different
Dec 04 22:55:18 <codefreak> Russ: i have to implement it on beagleboard ( part of coursework )
Dec 04 22:55:33 <jacekowski> those are soft interrupts
Dec 04 22:55:42 * Russ has recollections of someone desperately wanting to implement a ps/2 keyboard on beagle
Dec 04 22:56:05 <jacekowski> codefreak: interrupts are hardware specific
Dec 04 22:56:11 <codefreak> ok
Dec 04 22:56:17 <Russ> codefreak, you'll have to use usb_submit_urb
Dec 04 22:56:27 <jacekowski> codefreak: and pain in the ass to implement working handlers for anything more complex than PS/2 keyboard
Dec 04 22:56:35 <Russ> (and usb_alloc_urb, usb_free_urb, etc)
Dec 04 22:56:54 <codefreak> Thanks Russ. I will look into the docs shared by you.
Dec 04 22:56:59 <Russ> usb_fill_int_urb
Dec 04 22:57:18 <Russ> usb_register...
Dec 04 22:57:33 <jacekowski> and you would have to unhook linux usb stack from it first
Dec 04 22:58:08 <Russ> yes, I'm very confused about a course instructor that would have given this as an assignment, something is off, very off
Dec 04 22:59:20 <Russ> here's some information about x86 port 0x60, now go do it on ARM
Dec 04 22:59:51 <Russ> oh geez, this is even asu
Dec 04 22:59:58 <jacekowski> Russ: i've done the same thing
Dec 04 23:00:06 <jacekowski> Russ: as in, whoised his ip
Dec 04 23:00:54 <Russ> what is the course number anyway?
Dec 04 23:00:59 <jacekowski> Russ: that code he pasted looks like copied directly from stack exchange
Dec 04 23:01:07 <jacekowski> stackoverflow
Dec 04 23:01:11 <jacekowski> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7122392/writing-basic-keyboard-interrupt-handler-throws-unknown-key-released
Dec 04 23:02:49 * Russ follows the github link to some very confused kernel code
Dec 04 23:05:53 <Russ> we'll never know...
Dec 04 23:08:46 <jdcravens> Anyone had any issues trying to upload Arduino sketches from the USB port using avrdude - avrdude: stk500_getparm(): (a) protocol error, expect=0x14, resp=0x00
Dec 04 23:09:40 <jdcravens> using this https://github.com/todbot/ArduinoOnBeagleBone, I am trying to compile and upload sketches from the Beagelbone to an Arduino
Dec 04 23:10:38 <jdcravens> I can compile, but error on the upload
Dec 04 23:16:43 <jdcravens> Anyone know why /dev/ttyUSB0 would be missing, or how to add back?
Dec 04 23:20:38 <jacekowski> no drivers
Dec 04 23:20:42 <jacekowski> udev messing things up
Dec 04 23:20:53 <jacekowski> check if you get anything in dmesg when your arduino is plugged in
Dec 04 23:26:39 <jdcravens> dmesg works - it recognizes it
Dec 04 23:27:49 <jdcravens> usb 1-1: Product: Arduino Uno
Dec 04 23:29:50 <jacekowski> anything else
Dec 04 23:29:56 <jacekowski> that's just usb even
Dec 04 23:30:08 <jacekowski> event
Dec 04 23:30:20 <jacekowski> there should be information that serial driver has picked it up
Dec 04 23:30:43 <jdcravens> should i be using usbdev1.1 ?
Dec 04 23:31:14 <jacekowski> no
Dec 04 23:32:06 <jacekowski> paste whole dmesg output
Dec 04 23:32:09 <jdcravens> what would that log look like - I dont think its there.
Dec 04 23:32:36 <jdcravens> [    0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset [    0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu [    0.000000] Linux version 3.2.5+ (koen@dominion) (gcc version 4.5.4 20111126 (prerelease) (GCC) ) #1 Mon Feb 13 19:22:44 CET 2012 [    0.000000] CPU: ARMv7 Processor [413fc082] revision 2 (ARMv7), cr=50c53c7d [    0.000000] CPU: PIPT / VIPT nonaliasing data cache, VIPT aliasing instruction cache [    0.000000] Machine: am335xevm [    0.
Dec 04 23:32:59 <mru> nobody can read that
Dec 04 23:33:09 <mru> use a pastebin
Dec 04 23:34:31 <jdcravens> http://pastebin.com/9k6UMnHr
Dec 04 23:34:47 <jacekowski> [  619.762565] cdc_acm 1-1:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
Dec 04 23:34:48 <jacekowski> there it is
Dec 04 23:34:52 <jacekowski> use /dev/ttyACM0
Dec 04 23:36:10 <jdcravens> tried that - I get this http://pastebin.com/t6rxZe99
Dec 04 23:38:53 <mranostay> holy spam batman
Dec 04 23:57:56 <mranostay> hey koen!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 05 01:30:17 <joelagnel> koen, jkridner_ , forgive the delays in 1280x720 patches. I will have them out by tomorrow morning. Thanks.
Dec 05 01:30:47 <joelagnel> If it is urgent, I do have a tree with fixups that works, but the patches have to be squashed and added to patch.sh etc. if you're willing to do that
Dec 05 01:37:18 <prpplague> joelagnel: you better not make the "Kridner" god angry with delays
Dec 05 01:37:37 <prpplague> joelagnel: better kill a chicken and spread the blood around your keyboard
Dec 05 01:37:57 <mru> sounds messy
Dec 05 01:38:09 <joelagnel> prpplague, gulp
Dec 05 01:38:34 <prpplague> hehe scared koen away
Dec 05 01:39:13 <joelagnel> prpplague, o
Dec 05 01:39:22 <joelagnel> prpplague, I'm actually eating chicken
Dec 05 01:39:35 <joelagnel> yumm
Dec 05 01:39:38 <prpplague> hehe
Dec 05 01:40:00 * prpplague is avoiding the curry chicken in the kitchen
Dec 05 01:41:31 <joelagnel> :P
Dec 05 01:41:44 <joelagnel> prpplague, no response from them, so that usually means "its ok" :P
Dec 05 01:42:05 <joelagnel> I shall continue to enjoy my chicken and send patches tomorrow
Dec 05 01:42:26 <prpplague> hehe
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