**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 05 02:59:59 2012 Dec 05 03:52:03 mdp: ha, google: linuxcon Dec 05 03:52:08 mdp: and select images Dec 05 03:58:53 lets see... Dec 05 03:59:03 clouds, linus, linus… Dec 05 03:59:08 ah, my eyes! Dec 05 03:59:38 hehe Dec 05 04:00:00 Russ: scroll around, you might see mdp in there too Dec 05 04:02:37 http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Day-1-of-LinuxCon-Europe-2012-in-Pictures-10.png/ Dec 05 04:03:08 hehe Dec 05 04:03:30 I think that picture is up because of the shirt alone Dec 05 04:04:00 hey old people Dec 05 04:07:40 mranostay: hey sonny, get the hell off my lawn Dec 05 04:14:34 prpplague: make me old man :P Dec 05 04:27:04 hi emeb Dec 05 04:27:33 how is it fpga land? Dec 05 04:27:51 mranostay: you get your presentation submitted? Dec 05 04:29:16 yeah i submitted it Dec 05 04:29:34 dandy Dec 05 04:29:34 maybe i'll submit another if i get this PRU stuff working Dec 05 04:29:57 mranostay: just make sure you get an elinux project page going Dec 05 04:30:45 * mranostay makes note or he'll never remember Dec 05 04:33:19 submit? Dec 05 04:39:15 hi mranostay Dec 05 04:39:41 emeb: damit you drove him off Dec 05 04:39:43 too late Dec 05 04:39:57 how's things prpplague? Dec 05 04:40:31 emeb: more fun that putting your hand in a barrel of electric eels Dec 05 04:40:38 w00t! Dec 05 04:40:47 get a charge! Dec 05 04:41:15 * emeb is in TX today Dec 05 04:41:38 emeb: welcome home! Dec 05 04:41:45 hah! Dec 05 04:41:57 my wife's home. Dec 05 04:43:06 Hmmmm Dec 05 04:46:25 heynds2 Dec 05 04:46:38 -n +' ' Dec 05 04:46:57 ds2: hows the stm32 project? Dec 05 05:31:15 Anyone managed to get nut installed on a beagle running angstrom? Dec 05 05:32:08 It is begfing for libusb, so i installed libusb-dev but it is insisting it isn't available at configure Dec 05 05:32:12 begging* Dec 05 05:33:26 anyone have any success with a framebuffer based web browser? Dec 05 05:33:29 emeb: a bit stalled...need to bring up the PSRAM since the appnote was a foobar Dec 05 05:39:22 hmm, so it liiks like it is finding libusb but doesn't like the way it was built Dec 05 05:39:50 then get rid of configure Dec 05 05:39:53 it is a pos Dec 05 05:39:55 spacecolonyone, there are two distinct versions of libusb Dec 05 05:40:04 yea, I noticed Dec 05 05:40:12 I tired both 0.1 and 1.0 Dec 05 05:40:36 read your log then Dec 05 05:41:14 yea, it tries to compile a test referencing libusb and fails on a whole bunch of unknown refrences Dec 05 05:42:07 I've got a nagging fear this means I need to compile libusb (after finding out which one it wants) myself, using the options it wants Dec 05 05:42:26 for that matter I thought libusb was deprecated by udev Dec 05 05:42:34 wtf Dec 05 05:42:51 so is walking deprecated by water? Dec 05 05:43:05 or if not udev, something else Dec 05 05:43:31 I'm not really familiar with libusb Dec 05 05:44:45 seems unlikely Dec 05 05:44:49 are you cross compiling? Dec 05 05:44:53 yea, so I got that wrong Dec 05 05:45:02 its probably a problem with that Dec 05 05:45:05 have a look at the cc line Dec 05 05:45:08 see if it makes sense Dec 05 05:45:09 no I'm doing all the compilation on the BBxM Dec 05 05:45:22 well have a look at the compilation line anyway, see if it makes sense Dec 05 05:45:25 i just did opkg install libusb…-dev Dec 05 05:46:04 right...check the cc line Dec 05 05:46:17 how do I get at the line for a package i install via opkg Dec 05 05:46:30 you are trying to compile nut? Dec 05 05:46:41 yea Dec 05 05:46:48 what is the cc line for the libusb test Dec 05 05:47:19 gcc -o conftest conftest.c -L/lib -lusb Dec 05 05:47:39 and the symbol it's complaining about? Dec 05 05:48:28 it throws undefined refs to: libusb_interrupt_transfer, _bulk_transfer, _init, and on and on Dec 05 05:48:51 even libusb_open, so something inst right Dec 05 05:48:51 sounds more like a version than missing entirely Dec 05 05:48:57 yea Dec 05 05:49:32 -lusb isn't right Dec 05 05:49:43 it should be -lusb-0.1 or -lusb-1.0 Dec 05 05:50:14 in this case, -lusb-1.0 Dec 05 05:50:36 can you verify what your so names are for your install libusb's? Dec 05 05:52:13 I've got both libusb-1.0.so and libusb-0.1.so.4 Dec 05 05:52:37 also a .so.444. and so.0.0.0 Dec 05 05:52:42 and what version of nut is throwing this check for -lusb? Dec 05 05:52:45 I don't know what that is all about Dec 05 05:53:03 2.6.5 Dec 05 05:53:10 just grabbed it tonight Dec 05 05:53:18 that's latest Dec 05 05:53:24 really odd it's checking for -lusb Dec 05 05:53:34 is it also checking for -lusb-1.0 up higher? Dec 05 05:53:48 I'm not sure Dec 05 05:54:01 grep lusb-1.0 Dec 05 05:54:06 You mentioned that -lusb isn't right, but that is what the log shows Dec 05 05:54:36 it might be checking for -lusb-1.0, failing for some reason, and then checking -lusb, failing, and dying Dec 05 05:54:45 I was going to try executing that gcc command with lusb changed to lisb-1.0 but I can't find the contest.c file Dec 05 05:54:58 My guess is that configure generates it Dec 05 05:55:56 it checks for the version via pkg-config finds 0.1.12 checks the cflags then the ldflags Dec 05 05:56:24 then tries to check for usb_init via the compile of conftest Dec 05 05:57:38 pkg-config --libs libusb? Dec 05 05:58:08 -L/lib -lusb Dec 05 05:58:19 hmmm Dec 05 05:58:56 I get -lusb on my x86_64 box Dec 05 05:59:13 and I also have a libusb.so symlink from libusb-dev Dec 05 05:59:18 do you have a libusb.so symlink? Dec 05 06:00:02 nope Dec 05 06:00:26 make one Dec 05 06:00:33 have it point to your libusb-0.1.so Dec 05 06:00:43 well yes and no not for libusb.so, but libusb-1.0.so -> libusb-1.0.so.0.0.0 Dec 05 06:00:45 yea Dec 05 06:01:03 -lusb is fine Dec 05 06:01:14 -L/lib is a bit odd Dec 05 06:01:24 doesn't hurt anyone... Dec 05 06:01:34 what does it mean/why is it odd? Dec 05 06:01:40 /lib is not normally where you keep that sort of stuff Dec 05 06:02:01 yes, but it isn't a cross compile, so it should be in /usr/lib anyway Dec 05 06:02:02 oh? I thought libs were typically in /lib? Dec 05 06:02:31 one a few Dec 05 06:03:09 'critical' system libraries Dec 05 06:03:14 usually enough to mount /usr Dec 05 06:03:23 ok Dec 05 06:03:53 symlink fixed it Dec 05 06:03:59 lets see if it builds Dec 05 06:04:11 offhand why did you suggest 0.1 vs 1.0 Dec 05 06:04:31 0.1 and 1.0 had slightly different APIs Dec 05 06:04:56 …slightly? Dec 05 06:05:04 so opkg lists 0.1 as a compat-layer Dec 05 06:05:06 spacecolonyone, it is based on what nut is written against Dec 05 06:05:19 Russ: you think it is dramatically different? Dec 05 06:05:20 does that mean it is just an interface to 1.0 Dec 05 06:07:06 ds2, I've dealt with both Dec 05 06:07:13 and? Dec 05 06:07:25 spacecolonyone, any libusb-0.1 calls can be proxied by libusb-1.0, but not vice versa Dec 05 06:07:34 ds2, depends if you are looking to do sync or async I suppose Dec 05 06:07:45 yea, I would imagine as such Dec 05 06:08:06 0.1 has no async api Dec 05 06:12:53 great, that didn't make the other issue go away Dec 05 06:13:22 So whenever I connect the ups i see it enumsrate Dec 05 06:13:47 wazzit? Dec 05 06:14:05 enumerate… and then again, and again, every 10 seconds Dec 05 06:14:39 usb reset or something? Dec 05 06:14:46 I'm guessing this is a driver issue, perhaps because the kernel isn't finding the correct module Dec 05 06:15:03 ok Dec 05 06:15:12 ups hid devices are often non-standard and do funny things Dec 05 06:15:16 yea Dec 05 06:15:30 but this one is supposed to be supported by nut Dec 05 06:16:02 so I built nut (thanks), with the usb drivers, and was hoping the problem would magically go away Dec 05 06:16:02 ok, but the kernel needs to support it Dec 05 06:17:23 I think it does, it is showing up as generic-usb 0003:09AE:2010.00xx: hiddev0,hidraw1: usb hid v1.10 device tripling …. Dec 05 06:18:01 it hangs around for about 10 seconds then I see it reenumerate with a new device number Dec 05 06:18:15 and why does it go away? Dec 05 06:18:23 no clue Dec 05 06:18:30 it works with ubuntu Dec 05 06:18:35 nothing in the dmesg about it de-enumerating? Dec 05 06:18:47 agh, right, i guess I should check that Dec 05 06:19:16 moin Dec 05 06:19:36 nope Dec 05 06:19:54 only the same stuff I'm seeing at the console Dec 05 06:19:58 can you plug it into a powered hub? Dec 05 06:20:06 and can you post the kernel messages to a pastebin? Dec 05 06:20:08 it is Dec 05 06:20:23 I guess I could try directly to the BBxM Dec 05 06:20:44 erm, pastbin is harder Dec 05 06:21:10 I've not actually setup a good way to get crap off the bb yet, I really should though Dec 05 06:21:21 not even copy paste? Dec 05 06:21:27 no ssh? so serial console? Dec 05 06:21:31 it doesn't auto mount usb drives by default (haven't taken the time to learn how to do that yet) Dec 05 06:21:37 oh, doh Dec 05 06:21:46 wow, Its late Dec 05 06:23:03 russ: http://pastebin.com/L9mQpCSm the last disconnect is me unplugging it Dec 05 06:23:53 could please all usians here sign this petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/secure-resources-and-funding-and-begin-construction-death-star-2016/wlfKzFkN Dec 05 06:23:56 thanks! :-) Dec 05 06:24:11 lol Dec 05 06:24:43 Russ: going directly into one of the ports on the beagle shows the same behavior Dec 05 06:25:02 stays connected for 15 seconds Dec 05 06:25:26 it nut isn't running, does it do the same thing? Dec 05 06:25:43 It's done this since day one Dec 05 06:25:52 am also not sure if nut is running Dec 05 06:26:03 i just did make install and left it there Dec 05 06:27:16 for that matter, I'll bet you I've got the write a systems unit for nut Dec 05 06:27:26 can you try a different hub? Dec 05 06:28:08 Hmm, same model, yes, I'll need to get one from IT for a different model Dec 05 06:28:40 if it were me, my next step would be to use wireshark and capture the usb traffic Dec 05 06:29:41 on console with angstrom is doable? Dec 05 06:29:45 or maybe try the otg port (with a hub connected to it) Dec 05 06:30:03 I'll look into it. I might also just try a different ups Dec 05 06:30:24 Any chance a ground loop could be the culprit? Dec 05 06:30:48 the 15 second timing makes things look very suspicious as to not hardware Dec 05 06:32:30 yea Dec 05 06:33:14 ok, well I'll keep wireshark in mind, first I'm going to try borrowing a different brand of ups from it Dec 05 06:33:31 http://pastebin.com/gSN8Ltf5 Dec 05 06:34:10 hmm Dec 05 06:37:01 perhaps I should try configuring and getting nut working, then perhaps it will place the ups in a mode that doesn't disconnect Dec 05 07:36:37 morn' Dec 05 07:37:57 Hi panto Dec 05 07:44:28 panto: just can't quit us? Dec 05 07:44:50 trolling is a craving now Dec 05 07:50:12 panto: have you been hanging out under bridges in your spare time? Dec 05 08:19:53 * Russ thanks someone for the copious documentation 'The chain() method does something.' Dec 05 08:31:53 Russ: technical writer troll? Dec 05 08:46:09 hello all, Is there anyone who used tlvaic3106 for microphone input? Dec 05 08:46:43 have you tried google? Dec 05 08:48:03 yes but didn't find anythink Dec 05 09:47:36 is there any way to switch gadget mode dynamically? For example from RNDIS to mass storege? Dec 05 09:49:07 as far as I can see such a function is statically assigned at compile time Dec 05 09:51:31 O.K. it seems to be possible if you compile this feature as module. Then you can compile all gadget modules and insmod as reuired Dec 05 09:51:45 exactly Dec 05 09:52:22 * KotH hands yegorich a rubberduck Dec 05 09:54:08 a black rubber duck? Dec 05 09:54:54 why not Dec 05 09:55:37 yegorich: s/insmod/modprobe/ Dec 05 09:55:53 koen: :-) Dec 05 09:58:46 * KotH is suprised how many people still believe that humans have a reproduction instinct Dec 05 09:59:23 Windows CE seems to handle this in a more dynamical way, that's why I wanted to know, how the stuff is managed by Linux Dec 05 09:59:41 yegorich: send patches ;) Dec 05 10:07:20 yegorich: maybe we need a stable binary driver API in linux? Dec 05 10:07:44 yegorich: but maybe something USB function routing can be done in Linux too Dec 05 10:08:14 yegorich: also, look at the android device drivers ,that's a composite thing that does MTP/MSC and some network stuff IIRC Dec 05 10:08:30 and switched via sysfs Dec 05 10:08:38 av500: O.K. will look at this Dec 05 10:08:51 KotH: eh? Dec 05 10:09:54 av500: ? Dec 05 10:10:32 KotH: you philosophical remark Dec 05 10:10:35 your Dec 05 10:10:55 it's not philosophical, but psychological Dec 05 10:11:08 well.. people dont have a reproductive instinct, but a sexual instinct Dec 05 10:11:14 i always thought reproduction was physical. Dec 05 10:11:33 or have you seen anyone running around looking for someone to create offspring? Dec 05 10:11:40 no, but people like to fuck Dec 05 10:12:09 having children is a social norm, governet by our culture Dec 05 10:12:18 heh, no way Dec 05 10:12:20 having sex is a desire that people have by themselves Dec 05 10:12:47 hunt down this: http://www.amazon.com/Why-Sex-Fun-Evolution-Sexuality/dp/0465031269 Dec 05 10:13:20 pick up the other books by the same guy Dec 05 10:14:14 then you'll see the kind of game evolution has played on us hommo (barely) sapients Dec 05 10:15:37 thanks Dec 05 10:15:42 i will, but after the exams Dec 05 10:16:11 KotH: yes, I have seen people running around looking for someone to create offspring Dec 05 10:16:16 in a nutshell, your free will about your sexuality, ain't so free after all Dec 05 10:16:45 who needs free will if you can have titties and beer? Dec 05 10:17:06 hmm, titties and beer, the cornerstone of own civilization Dec 05 10:17:16 *our Dec 05 10:17:17 * KotH doesnt like beer Dec 05 10:17:23 am i now a revolutionist? Dec 05 10:17:24 titties it is then Dec 05 10:17:25 panto: according to frank zappa, yes. Dec 05 10:17:29 sacrilege Dec 05 10:17:38 aren't you based in .de? Dec 05 10:17:44 .chg Dec 05 10:17:45 .ch Dec 05 10:17:49 weird people Dec 05 10:17:50 close enough Dec 05 10:17:58 panto: but he is a .tr Dec 05 10:18:01 that's reason enough to hunt you down and burn you down :) Dec 05 10:18:11 av500, so? Dec 05 10:18:13 panto: so close to you Dec 05 10:18:16 * KotH hunts panto down and burns him Dec 05 10:18:23 we're all so close Dec 05 10:18:26 yes Dec 05 10:18:29 and so far apart Dec 05 10:18:32 interwebs brings us toghether Dec 05 10:18:37 and trolling Dec 05 10:18:42 panto: now I am crying Dec 05 10:18:59 now now... big trolls like you dont cry Dec 05 10:19:00 * panto starts writing down the lyrics Dec 05 10:19:18 KotH: like the song? "big trolls dont cry" Dec 05 10:19:28 juup Dec 05 10:19:33 good tune Dec 05 10:25:42 * panto looks like people didn't get I'll hunt KotH down for his lack of faith in beer, and not because he's from .tr Dec 05 10:25:47 I blame av500 Dec 05 10:25:56 too fast with his trolling Dec 05 10:26:06 good hunting Dec 05 10:26:14 beer is awesome Dec 05 10:26:18 but i doubt youll have success Dec 05 10:26:29 and you have some good beer around there Dec 05 10:26:49 don't tell me you're an emacs user too Dec 05 10:27:09 nah.. i use magnets Dec 05 10:28:47 5th lecture where they explain the waist-to-hip ratio vs attractivity... Dec 05 10:29:07 * KotH wonders whether the profs know what else their students learn Dec 05 10:29:59 KotH: like i said - its all about beer and titties, or at least related things ;) Dec 05 10:30:08 *g* Dec 05 10:30:24 LetoThe2nd: titties all the way! no need for beer ;) Dec 05 10:31:20 * LetoThe2nd concludes that KotH is considerably FOSDEM-incompatible Dec 05 10:31:37 * KotH has no problem with people drinking beer Dec 05 10:31:51 as long as they dont force me to drink that awfull stuff Dec 05 10:34:21 hrhrhr Dec 05 10:35:21 * KotH just learned that oestrogen makes women look better. ie a womans looks changes during her cycle... Dec 05 10:35:34 weird stuff.. Dec 05 10:36:06 * ant_work would suggest to Koth no-alcool beer and plastic tits. Let the rest for us ;) Dec 05 10:36:31 lol Dec 05 10:41:02 ant_work: in case you dont know, i have currently ample supply of titties Dec 05 10:41:45 ant_work: i'm sitting in a room where around 100 girls are.. and only about 10 men or so Dec 05 10:43:01 beer also makes woman look better Dec 05 10:45:21 http://www.tntmagazine.com/media/News/UK_News_2012/angela_merkel_with_beer.jpg Dec 05 10:45:36 ugh... Dec 05 10:45:44 unfair, I apologize Dec 05 10:46:52 that's our one http://pdlmestrinopd.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/bersani_birra_solo_pdinterna1.jpg?w=584 Dec 05 10:47:06 DE-IT 1:1 Dec 05 10:50:10 http://www.jungfrauzeitung.ch/gosimg00WW01a30118996680b300001201303c.jpg Dec 05 10:50:16 .ch wins :) Dec 05 10:50:19 she is doing th matrix distortion thingy Dec 05 10:51:53 .ch wins indeed Dec 05 10:52:03 KotH, in which part of .ch are you? Dec 05 10:52:12 * panto has some family in Zurich Dec 05 10:53:04 .ch is one small town Dec 05 11:34:57 panto, irrelevant, you have family everywhere. Dec 05 11:35:40 yes, the international man of mystery, every town and a gf, every port and an arrest warrant Dec 05 11:35:54 at the movies this christmas Dec 05 11:41:51 so, you're a sailor? Dec 05 11:42:06 I am at the movies Dec 05 11:42:30 i correct, a movie addict who pretents to be a sailor Dec 05 11:42:50 it's all part of the plot Dec 05 12:01:13 food is imminent Dec 05 12:01:14 l8r Dec 05 12:01:30 hello Dec 05 12:01:41 need help on bluez Dec 05 14:03:37 hi Dec 05 14:04:04 my bb doesn't light up when i plug it on either 5v or usb Dec 05 14:04:22 i can find some power on test points Dec 05 14:04:44 but what else can i look for to know what's wrong ? Dec 05 14:30:42 geez http://www.qimod.com/contact.html Dec 05 14:31:18 To combine British innovation, plus European sales expertise, with Chinese engineering and manufacturing excellence to produce highly desirable and saleable high technology goods. To utilise this cross-cultural synergy alongside QiMOD Design skills in ways that simplify Software Development. Dec 05 14:31:30 mdp would like this Dec 05 14:31:51 sounds like lkcl Dec 05 14:33:16 is this company on kickstarter?!? I'm in for everything. Dec 05 14:37:10 ok for british innovation, but chinese engineering... seriously? Dec 05 14:38:38 the definition of engineer differs between countries. lawnmover man == garden engineer. Dec 05 14:39:06 engineer used to be the man running the engine Dec 05 14:40:18 mru, imagine my disappointment when I found out I majored in the wrong thing to get to drive the damn train Dec 05 14:40:21 *sigh* Dec 05 14:40:36 :) Dec 05 14:40:58 the voltage regulator chips (U1 and U10) on my revc4 are really hot Dec 05 14:41:05 and nothing is powering up Dec 05 14:41:18 any idea what i can do to safe if ? Dec 05 14:41:43 save Dec 05 14:41:46 mdp: it's apparently quite easy to get to drive the trains on the stockholm metro Dec 05 14:42:03 less than a week of training Dec 05 14:42:22 those things basically have two settings, "stop" and "go" Dec 05 14:42:36 when you hit go, it drives to the next station and stops there Dec 05 14:42:45 do you get to make funny announcements of the PA? Dec 05 14:42:46 I just want to drive the retro trains Dec 05 14:42:47 they're all but driverless Dec 05 14:42:54 av500: yes Dec 05 14:42:56 cool Dec 05 14:43:05 my father has had that opportunity as he volunteers as a train restoration society..lucky Dec 05 14:43:18 mdp: they have such a society here Dec 05 14:43:29 "he voluteers as a society" ;) nice typo Dec 05 14:43:35 mdp: your father is an entire society? Dec 05 14:43:39 s/as/at/ :) Dec 05 14:43:41 haha Dec 05 14:43:46 mru: great minds... Dec 05 14:44:07 he is a great society, quite frankly ;) Dec 05 14:44:15 Great Society(tm) Dec 05 14:44:22 mdp: does he veto himself in board meetings? Dec 05 14:44:29 you got it Dec 05 14:44:31 av500: classmate of mine from university used to drive those trains on the weekends Dec 05 14:44:37 one day he spotted me getting on Dec 05 14:44:40 if anybody has an idea can you send to me in private please ? Dec 05 14:44:42 thanks Dec 05 14:44:48 private? Dec 05 14:44:56 I got a call one day, "I'm in! They let me drive the steam locomotive today!!!" Dec 05 14:45:01 * av500 only shares private stuff in private Dec 05 14:45:12 yes cause i'm going away from watching this chan Dec 05 14:45:17 yeah right Dec 05 14:45:23 av500, I shall PM you in private with my PM private info Dec 05 14:45:29 and i don't want to miss an probable answer Dec 05 14:45:33 right Dec 05 14:45:44 you got the hang of it Dec 05 14:45:44 however improbable an answer may be Dec 05 14:45:54 or unpossible Dec 05 14:46:01 mdp: you can never tell, it might be a hesienberg answer Dec 05 14:46:04 maybe impossible Dec 05 14:46:10 just give us your phone number here ... if someone comes up with an answer we'll make him call you Dec 05 14:46:27 just i'm not really interested about trains :) Dec 05 14:46:36 awwwww Dec 05 14:46:37 we've sent a singing telegram on occasion Dec 05 14:46:38 mru: at a tour there, they explained how the (german) military was behind diesel engines since it cut down the training from months to days Dec 05 14:46:48 gnafron: ahh, you train hater Dec 05 14:46:54 since its like driving a car mostly Dec 05 14:47:15 hmm, he should not go to #libav-devle then.... Dec 05 14:47:20 compared to coal-fired steam engines? Dec 05 14:47:20 devel even :) Dec 05 14:47:23 mru: yep Dec 05 14:47:26 mdp: don't hate it :) Dec 05 14:47:28 av500, only awesomely bigger and more thrilling Dec 05 14:48:13 gnafron: did you file a helpdesk ticket? Dec 05 14:48:21 on /rma ? Dec 05 14:48:37 don't know if it would be usefull since it's an old board ? Dec 05 14:48:39 yeah Dec 05 14:48:42 might be Dec 05 14:48:53 ask on the beagleboard list to get at the h/w guy Dec 05 14:49:16 ok will do, thanks :) Dec 05 14:49:16 av500: and diesel-electric? Dec 05 14:50:50 av500, one thing I noticed is that the guys that run the coal engines are also diesel engine retired guys that seem to be sons/grandsoms of coal engine drivers Dec 05 14:51:08 interesting trend with those I've met at these restoration groups Dec 05 14:51:23 they explained how many down hours a coal engine has per running hour Dec 05 14:51:37 "a lot" ;) Dec 05 14:51:40 yeah Dec 05 14:52:07 the old guys said that when they started the working day, after oiling the damn thing half the day was over and they looked mess already Dec 05 14:52:11 and the depot locale logistics were quite crazy then...having to take on water so often Dec 05 14:52:19 the laugh at "steam engine romatics" Dec 05 14:52:28 they* Dec 05 14:52:34 here, rub that dirt on you Dec 05 14:52:45 it's like computer history romanticism Dec 05 14:52:47 mdp: that too Dec 05 14:52:52 mdp: yeah Dec 05 14:53:15 mdp: the first TI SoC we had, the DSC21, was on an EVM with a BGA socket Dec 05 14:53:27 I had to boot it in the morning with contact spray Dec 05 14:53:27 heh Dec 05 14:53:35 oooh Dec 05 14:53:45 then it mostly worked throughout the day Dec 05 14:53:57 that reminds me of repairing switching power supplies Dec 05 14:54:09 heh..you must be old... and stuff Dec 05 14:54:22 DSC21 was 10ys ago Dec 05 14:54:23 when I flirted with going more down the h/w path Dec 05 14:54:36 av500, yeah, _old_ ;) Dec 05 14:54:44 * av500 realizes he is battling TI SoCs for a decade now Dec 05 14:54:56 * av500 curls up in a ball under his desk and cries Dec 05 14:54:57 s/battling/enjoying/ Dec 05 14:54:58 av500: not a good sign Dec 05 14:55:04 fixed that for yu Dec 05 14:55:38 thx Dec 05 14:57:05 ahh, back in my comfort zone...a concall Dec 05 14:57:23 it was truly a struggle to sit through a f2f meeting last week...not sure how to do those any longer Dec 05 14:58:42 mdp: bring a laptop and do IRC mostly.... Dec 05 14:59:35 av500, the one last week had a v.p. at it so I had to really focus with my "I'm interested" game face Dec 05 15:02:09 can I lock files in git for exclusive access? Dec 05 15:02:41 I mean, others can rebase and merge, but why me? Dec 05 15:03:12 go back to cvs, you troll Dec 05 15:03:31 I mean, I have señority Dec 05 15:03:40 heh Dec 05 15:04:28 av500, sure you lock files by keeping your stuff in a private clone on your laptop Dec 05 15:04:35 never share Dec 05 15:04:36 nonon Dec 05 15:04:38 no Dec 05 15:04:42 I must be released Dec 05 15:04:56 I want to bless the world with my code Dec 05 15:05:02 it* Dec 05 15:05:05 gah Dec 05 15:05:07 to tired Dec 05 15:05:10 too Dec 05 15:05:11 spread your code-seed Dec 05 15:05:11 I see Dec 05 15:05:15 * av500 gives up Dec 05 15:05:42 I'm here now, so you're day is over...relax and take your time Dec 05 15:05:48 s/you're/your/ Dec 05 15:53:22 av500, synergy mentioned 3 times in one question...I *am* smiling now. Dec 05 17:06:54 I've seen references to beaglebone with ddr3 (u-boot-ti git repository). I was wondering if anyone had tested that. I have a platform similar to beaglebone but with ddr3 memory. I run the mtest command from u-boot, but it's 10 times slower than my beaglebone (ddr2). Dec 05 17:08:10 do you have the correct sdram settings ? Dec 05 17:08:21 obviously not :) Dec 05 17:08:40 * KotH mods Dec 05 17:08:44 er.. Dec 05 17:08:46 * KotH nods Dec 05 17:08:52 * KotH needs some sleep Dec 05 17:09:02 * KotH goes to hunt some dead animals Dec 05 17:09:26 I'm working off the ddr3 init from that git repo Dec 05 17:09:39 KotH: dead animals don't require hunting Dec 05 17:10:24 oh, in soviet russia, a steak puts you on the grill Dec 05 17:10:58 I usually leave the grilling of steaks to the chef Dec 05 17:12:58 So yeah, our memory interface is pretty much the same as the AM335X Starter Kit. Code for that has been added to the u-boot-ti repository Dec 05 17:13:09 That's why I was wondering if that had been tested Dec 05 17:13:11 you know, i'm a hardware guy, so i do stuff myself quite often :) Dec 05 17:13:32 the commit also refers ddr3 beaglebone Dec 05 17:13:37 elik: do you know the differences between ddr2 and ddr3? Dec 05 17:13:55 KotH: I'm somewhere in the middle Dec 05 17:14:26 a plague is upon us! Dec 05 17:14:28 elik: then the first thing you want to do is to go get both standards, and read them Dec 05 17:14:38 mru: the plague is upon us! Dec 05 17:16:40 KotH: will do. I was just trying to see where the DDR3 support stood. I don't mind trying to do what needs to be done, but I don't like redoing what has been done Dec 05 17:16:59 * KotH sends elik off to get the standards Dec 05 17:17:16 all your questions will answer themselves as soon as you know how ddr* works Dec 05 17:18:11 KotH: cool, I'll look into that, thx Dec 05 17:18:40 ok, that's not true... not all of your questions will be answered.. those that aren't answered by the standards will be answered by the TRM Dec 05 17:18:58 TRM? Dec 05 17:19:09 technical reference manual Dec 05 17:19:13 also known as av500 Dec 05 17:19:55 you read the standard and the trm/datasheets for the soc and the memory Dec 05 17:20:16 after that you should know how to program the memory controller properly for your ram Dec 05 17:22:32 ram seems different from rom Dec 05 17:23:05 rom isnt what it used to be Dec 05 17:23:10 sdram is very different from anything typically referred to as rom Dec 05 17:23:28 * KotH fights against the programm memory in a msp430 being erased by the potting process Dec 05 17:24:04 mru: not so different from nand flash, at least the access Dec 05 17:24:40 nand flash doesn't need periodic refresh :) Dec 05 17:24:43 and physically, the storage is a capacitor in both :) Dec 05 17:24:59 oh.. nand flash needs periodic refresh Dec 05 17:25:06 but the period measures in years :) Dec 05 17:25:12 yeah Dec 05 17:25:41 also, in dram you can write individual words Dec 05 17:25:55 nand flash can only be erased pagewise Dec 05 17:26:04 you can write flash byte wise Dec 05 17:26:12 as long as you are only clearing bits :) Dec 05 17:26:20 I was about to say that Dec 05 17:27:03 * KotH wonders how many lurkes are now confused Dec 05 17:27:51 lurkers* Dec 05 17:55:25 * prpplague struggles very hard not to go on a full battle mode rant about RPi with regards to the Linux Foundation Dec 05 17:55:38 do it! Dec 05 17:56:06 finish him! Dec 05 17:56:14 hehe Dec 05 17:56:50 mru: trying to retain at lease a modicum of professional appearance Dec 05 17:57:44 I'd say the gloves came off in this one a long time ago Dec 05 18:01:00 innovation indeed Dec 05 18:01:42 their hype machine sure is impressive Dec 05 18:02:29 mru: indeed Dec 05 18:05:40 poor wandboard and cubieboard have no chance Dec 05 18:06:20 I still haven't figured out the real agenda behind rpi Dec 05 18:08:47 I'm *sure* it's exactly as presented Dec 05 18:09:21 any day now I will walk into the local grade school classroom to see them all hacking away on bare rpi boards with a kbd and monitor plugged in Dec 05 18:10:50 and the robotics clubs will dump Mindstorms for an rpi servo add-on board Dec 05 18:12:00 hi guys Dec 05 18:12:05 hi troll Dec 05 18:12:09 * mranostay waves from the horrible world of build systems Dec 05 18:12:35 mranostay: why do you think I make my own build systems? Dec 05 18:12:55 mdp: and where's that trolling endorsement? :) Dec 05 18:13:27 well i'm not getting though to my boss by sucking at it that i absolutely hate doing this :) Dec 05 18:13:49 tell him outright then Dec 05 18:14:00 not that it will make any difference Dec 05 18:14:07 not sure what i hate more QA stuff or build systems.. it is a tossup :) Dec 05 18:14:14 mru, done Dec 05 18:14:28 ta Dec 05 18:15:09 mru: still the bigger troll Dec 05 18:15:19 prpplague: I need your help Dec 05 18:15:32 out of rum? Dec 05 18:15:38 that too Dec 05 18:15:46 drinking won't fix this problem Dec 05 18:15:55 drinking won't fix any problems Dec 05 18:15:58 you're being bested by a punk Dec 05 18:16:18 mru, they told me that last week, but I did some liver testing nonetheless Dec 05 18:16:29 drinking will fix the fact that you werent drinking before :) Dec 05 18:16:34 aha! Dec 05 18:16:40 wisdom abounds Dec 05 18:18:10 * djlewis enjoys his JD black. Dec 05 18:18:46 whoa, you're far gone Dec 05 18:22:12 makes my mouth feel all sterile after a couple sips ;) Dec 05 18:22:38 prpplague: what's the prob with rpi now? Dec 05 18:23:22 KotH: what's _not_ the problem? Dec 05 18:23:49 mru: well.. i would like to know what caused the current outrage Dec 05 18:24:33 KotH: http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/desktops/676486-raspberry-pi-one-of-the-top-linux-innovations-of-2012 Dec 05 18:27:28 oh god Dec 05 18:27:52 mranostay, no help there on this one Dec 05 18:28:16 i always love seeing that big cap on the rpi Dec 05 18:28:21 what year is this? :) Dec 05 18:28:53 2002, judging by the cpu core Dec 05 18:28:54 mranostay, as you know, this is The Year of Linux Desktop: RPi Edition Dec 05 18:29:10 touche mru touche Dec 05 18:30:01 mranostay, and clearly mru is not vested with the authority to terminate ARM11 licenses Dec 05 18:36:20 there.. i ranted for you Dec 05 18:37:02 does anything on the beagle* or panda need closed source? Dec 05 18:38:34 *cough* sgx *cough* Dec 05 18:38:53 KotH: the sgx does, but it is clearly stated so Dec 05 18:39:12 3d.. fair enough Dec 05 18:39:31 KotH: the problem with the RPi is they simply just lie and mislead about what is and isn't open Dec 05 18:39:40 KotH: I say that's unfair enough Dec 05 18:40:22 mdp: well... considering that 3d on the desktop is a major pain already, i can live with 3d on an embedded platform being closed Dec 05 18:40:35 mdp: ofc i dont like it, but there are more important battles to be fought Dec 05 18:40:48 like fucking educating people so they know what they are doing! Dec 05 18:41:00 * KotH curses liberal arts majors Dec 05 18:41:01 rpi can help there Dec 05 18:41:36 mdp: actually, i would rather give a high school student a pic eval board than an rpi Dec 05 18:41:53 arduino uno is my choice Dec 05 18:41:58 ofc, less blinking and moving, but much easier to understand whats going on Dec 05 18:42:14 I've tested it on several now..works great Dec 05 18:42:16 * KotH has still not judged arduino Dec 05 18:43:01 as we know, doing the same stuff on linux is not a great place to learn the basics Dec 05 18:43:02 IMO, education using the latest super-complex SoCs is hopeless Dec 05 18:43:15 panto, +1 Dec 05 18:43:19 arduino, maybe even a 6502 Dec 05 18:43:24 yep Dec 05 18:43:36 there's no way to keep the complexity hidden Dec 05 18:43:41 it was mentioned that they are pushing the pi's desktop approach ;) Dec 05 18:43:55 panto: considering what i've seen during our electronics classes in high school, i'd say education is hopeless Dec 05 18:43:56 sooner or later the kid will come up with a wall of non-knowledge Dec 05 18:44:05 KotH, +1 Dec 05 18:44:30 KotH, same here ;) Dec 05 18:44:34 I ran into that in college even Dec 05 18:44:38 and then, no-one can help him, cause it's so many things that he doesn't know (yet) Dec 05 18:45:00 leading to frustration and declaring 'this engineer stuff is for nerds only' Dec 05 18:45:08 panto: well.. as mru said, nobody knows what the agenda behind rpi is Dec 05 18:45:12 I found college useful in that I had relative infinite time to take the stuff in various tangents Dec 05 18:45:41 the class content on the interesting stuff was too limited though Dec 05 18:46:51 major class project in a upper evel class, make the little leds make a fast "hello world" display.. Dec 05 18:47:00 s evel/level Dec 05 18:47:02 panto: that reminds me of an experiment a us uni once did with physics students: they selected a few promising ones in the first year and gave them a fast track course in a very small group to propel them into being super-physicist. unfortunately, they started what problems modern physics is batteling with. most of those students quit before finishing, because they saw no way how anyone could solve those insurmountable problems Dec 05 18:47:21 panto, this is why I like arduino...same interface on choice of OS (don't teach them that linux is superior as a host just yet, let them figure it out) and just focus on a simple uC and interfacing Dec 05 18:48:04 panto, the thing you miss with a uC is that it doesn't force you to learn about address/data bus interfacing Dec 05 18:48:11 if I were to be obnoxious I'd say what is perfect for a kid would be an environment on the PRU :) Dec 05 18:48:26 tools sux Dec 05 18:48:29 mdp: that's actually an advantage Dec 05 18:48:40 KotH: it is, I agree Dec 05 18:48:40 port a simple compiler like what the arduino people use Dec 05 18:48:51 mdp: i remember, when i was 14, i struggled to understand what a bus is Dec 05 18:48:56 make it super simple, only make it work over node.js Dec 05 18:49:00 ignore linux all-together Dec 05 18:49:07 mdp: it didnt help that i had no electronics books and didnt own a computer either :) Dec 05 18:49:19 food beckons Dec 05 18:49:33 KotH: yeah, I think when I was doing apple ii work I had some serious gaps in my understanding of the world ;) Dec 05 18:50:04 mdp: by the time i was 14, the apple ii was long dead :-) Dec 05 18:50:11 I still recommend "the art of electronics" Dec 05 18:50:12 punk! ;) Dec 05 18:50:26 "The Boy Electrician" Dec 05 18:50:28 mru: not good for a teenager Dec 05 18:50:37 mru: too little explaining why Dec 05 18:50:47 KotH, I didn't start to close the gap until high school digital electronics Dec 05 18:50:51 mru: actually, it is even bad for an adult, for the very same reason Dec 05 18:51:20 is it bad i have punk on my /hilight's Dec 05 18:51:37 KotH: it worked for me Dec 05 18:51:53 punked Dec 05 18:52:00 I'm envious of everybody learning now, it's all at their fingertips Dec 05 18:52:13 I had to ride my bike across town to the libraries to get at the info Dec 05 18:52:26 mdp: i think i had quite a bit more of understanding of electronics than the teacher by the time we got formaly taught in high school Dec 05 18:52:28 senses a "back in my day..." moment coming on :P Dec 05 18:52:46 mru: compare it once to the tietze-schenk Dec 05 18:53:07 mru: it's much better, explains every circuit, why it is done like that and how to design it Dec 05 18:53:34 mru: we have several copies of both books at work, but the tietze is the only one we actually refer to Dec 05 18:53:35 exact steps? Dec 05 18:53:55 djlewis: exact steps with explanations why they are taken and not others Dec 05 18:54:15 that can save one blowing some fuses ... Dec 05 18:54:19 haven't read that one Dec 05 18:55:18 mdp: ever have those 1000-in-1 kits? Dec 05 18:55:23 is there still any uC around of the complexity of an pic16c5x or pic16f84 ? Dec 05 18:55:49 oh.. the pic16f84 is still being sold! Dec 05 18:56:04 mdp: i'd recomend an eval board based on the pic16f84 Dec 05 18:56:12 mranostay, on my top 5 gifts ever ;) next to the 1st ed DM's guide ;) Dec 05 18:56:23 mdp: just compare the sizes of the datasheeds :) Dec 05 18:56:27 KotH: I'm not a pic guy Dec 05 18:56:59 you clearly are a 6502 one Dec 05 18:57:00 mranostay: I had whatever my dad could grab at work Dec 05 18:57:01 mdp: you should Dec 05 18:57:14 mdp: the first uC i was ever exposed to was a pic16c54 Dec 05 18:57:25 mdp: I'll take your apple ii's off your hands if you want ;) Dec 05 18:57:31 mdp: it's datasheet including a detailed description of everythign, was 50 pages Dec 05 18:57:44 mdp: the pic18f84 is _complex_ compared to that Dec 05 18:57:44 mranostay, tell you what, for fun...go look at the 6502 programming guide on WDC's site. it's written for utter newbies...total awesomeness IMHO Dec 05 18:58:01 mdp: the atmega328 is a lot more difficult to deal with than a pic16f84 Dec 05 18:58:11 mranostay, nobody writes an architecture programming manual like that any longer..explaining bits and nibbles ;) Dec 05 18:58:20 decimal and hex!!! Dec 05 18:58:24 * wmat is getting all retro Dec 05 18:58:39 wmat, "from my cold dead hands" Dec 05 18:58:43 btw: are the kosmos boxes available in the us? Dec 05 18:58:49 or is that an europe only thing? Dec 05 18:58:51 dungeons of daggoarth on trs-80 coco FTW! Dec 05 18:59:01 wmat, next you'll want my Starmax G3 mac clone killer too ;) Dec 05 18:59:06 heh Dec 05 18:59:23 someday that will run mainline again Dec 05 18:59:37 maybe after the ARM fad is over Dec 05 18:59:49 oh.. they went out of business two decades ago :-( Dec 05 18:59:59 that should be about when the Linux fad grows tiresome Dec 05 19:00:06 MIPS is sthe future! Dec 05 19:00:29 Loongson FTW Dec 05 19:00:31 no ARM-64 is! Dec 05 19:00:48 mdp: see, you're pre-fad Dec 05 19:00:55 8-bits ought be enough for anyone Dec 05 19:01:25 enough for 80% anyway Dec 05 19:01:47 the 1% can have their ARM-64 Dec 05 19:01:55 heh Dec 05 19:02:35 for those knowing german: http://www.kosmos.de/produktdetail-154-154/electronic_xn_3000-282/ Dec 05 19:02:46 these are _the_ kits to get for your kids Dec 05 19:03:18 the 99% still demand an armv7 board with SATA and stable mainline kernel support. Dec 05 19:03:35 * KotH learned electronics with its pre-pre-predecesor Dec 05 19:04:21 mdp: the 99% doesn't know wat sata or a kernel is Dec 05 19:04:38 KotH: what year? Dec 05 19:04:38 wmat, wat!??!? Dec 05 19:04:47 satan -n Dec 05 19:04:49 the 99.9% wants facebook, email, and porn Dec 05 19:04:51 mranostay: according to the description 8 years up Dec 05 19:05:11 wmat: amen brother Dec 05 19:05:13 KotH: we have that here too Dec 05 19:05:15 * mranostay closes a few windows Dec 05 19:05:23 * wmat counts on it Dec 05 19:05:34 mranostay: when i was a child, there were several kits, that build upon each other, the 1000, the 2000, the 3000 and the 4000... the xn3000 looks like the old 4000 Dec 05 19:05:43 er, I mean Kosmos has it for the .us market Dec 05 19:05:46 wmat: what's email? Dec 05 19:05:46 mranostay: i got my 1000 when i was 6 iirc Dec 05 19:05:53 it seems the .1% is all on G+ these days :/ Dec 05 19:06:06 mdp: ok.. couldnt find any english references to it Dec 05 19:06:34 I miss my radioshack 250-in-1 which spring clips Dec 05 19:06:51 and none of those fancy IC things Dec 05 19:06:57 s/which/with/ Dec 05 19:07:05 mdp: the kosmos kits have spring clips :) Dec 05 19:07:15 LetoThe2nd: nice domain Dec 05 19:07:44 KotH: aha, I thought they have some other connectors like other kits I've seen..didn't look closely Dec 05 19:07:46 cool Dec 05 19:08:11 * djlewis gave his 10 year old niece a 250-in-1 and she did every project Dec 05 19:08:27 mdp: i dont know what kit you are refering to with the radioshak, but i know i've seen one non-german kit that used the same spring clips system as the kosmos boards do Dec 05 19:08:43 of course who hasn't shorted out the battery leads on purpose? Dec 05 19:09:19 mranostay: car battery? Dec 05 19:09:31 KotH, what I had is now 31 years old Dec 05 19:09:44 mru: loads of fun Dec 05 19:09:52 mdp: http://www.kosmos.de/_produktansichten_media/695b/4002051614416_01.jpg Dec 05 19:10:02 mranostay: hehehe Dec 05 19:10:09 LetoThe2nd: what was the domain again? Dec 05 19:10:24 KotH: the-exact-steps.net Dec 05 19:10:26 KotH, no, no ;) I mean coil springs! Dec 05 19:10:28 * djlewis once knew a very freckled backyard mechanic that often blew up lead acid batteries. Dec 05 19:10:42 * wmat just lets his cats into his office for the first time Dec 05 19:10:48 mdp: ? Dec 05 19:10:55 wmat: sucess? Dec 05 19:11:04 djlewis: er why? Dec 05 19:11:20 and was being freckled caused by it? :) Dec 05 19:11:28 KotH: like that: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1212/1430288943_6a82629555.jpg Dec 05 19:11:42 mranostay: they are smelling things tentatively Dec 05 19:12:19 mdp: all components mounted fix on a board and you connect them using wires? Dec 05 19:12:36 KotH: yes, with the coil spring terminals Dec 05 19:12:48 LetoThe2nd: there is still no content! Dec 05 19:12:58 here is the RS/Tandy one in 150-in-1 version: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2103/2371910888_6548db9276.jpg Dec 05 19:13:04 mranostay: apparently shipping boxes from China are interesting to cats Dec 05 19:13:09 wow, I remember that layout like yesterday Dec 05 19:13:14 KotH: hey, at least i have set up an apache! Dec 05 19:13:32 cool box Dec 05 19:13:34 mdp: using banana plugs? Dec 05 19:13:36 LetoThe2nd: redirect to google Dec 05 19:13:56 oh.. now i get it Dec 05 19:13:58 KotH, you bend the coil spring and insert wire Dec 05 19:13:58 mranostay: maybe. i'm still trying to make up samething weird Dec 05 19:13:59 damn... Dec 05 19:14:06 that's simplicistic! Dec 05 19:14:19 who wants to send me a nexus4? Dec 05 19:14:20 they were simple times, they were Dec 05 19:14:21 yep. lead acid water when sprayed can cause a freckle looking face. Dec 05 19:14:25 * mdp grows misty-eyed Dec 05 19:14:29 I'll send you dev boards ;) Dec 05 19:14:51 rpi isn't a dev board :P Dec 05 19:14:58 heh Dec 05 19:15:01 wmat: can't buy one? Dec 05 19:15:04 i have others Dec 05 19:15:07 mru: sold out Dec 05 19:15:08 mdp: lol Dec 05 19:15:20 mdp: you've kids, now you can teach them proper electronics! Dec 05 19:15:35 i have lots of omap dev boards, extra cheap ;) Dec 05 19:15:36 hi, i have beagleboard-xm rev c. kernel got stuck at "smsc95xx 1-2.1:1.0: eth0: register 'smsc95xx' at usb-ehci-omap.0-2.1, smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet, e2:d5:28:bf:29:ce" Dec 05 19:16:10 kati: that doesnt help Dec 05 19:16:18 http://pastebin.com/tTkcZu4r Dec 05 19:16:19 kati: c&p fool boot log into pastebin Dec 05 19:16:38 damn.. these indians are getting psychic! Dec 05 19:17:02 kati read koth's mind Dec 05 19:17:21 is it bad to let long haired cats sleep on your desk? Dec 05 19:17:24 djlewis: that would drive anyone insane Dec 05 19:18:21 better on the desk than on your face Dec 05 19:18:26 Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p2... Dec 05 19:18:36 kati: [ 4.549646] Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p2... Dec 05 19:18:50 kati: the sdcard is not ready for some reason Dec 05 19:19:11 ok Dec 05 19:19:57 * mdp predicts no hsmmc built in Dec 05 19:20:02 juup Dec 05 19:20:11 no sdcard/mmc system initialized Dec 05 19:20:41 would i a rpi fix this? Dec 05 19:20:51 no, arpi cannot fix that Dec 05 19:21:08 although he is the best admin in the world Dec 05 19:21:17 "now with more innovation!" Dec 05 19:21:44 insert rpi between lines 4.538332] and 4.787983] Dec 05 19:21:44 kati: is this the SD card that shipped with the xM? Dec 05 19:21:45 KotH: that joke doesn't work here Dec 05 19:22:32 mru: this channel needs more cross channel chatting! Dec 05 19:23:27 yes Dec 05 19:23:46 kati: it is a known problem with those beyond cheap uSD cards Dec 05 19:23:53 replace it with a good one and your problem will go away Dec 05 19:24:05 thanks Dec 05 19:24:07 as a quick short term fix (use at your risk, damages are your responsiblity) - Dec 05 19:24:12 boot it til it says that Dec 05 19:24:17 pop out the card and push it back it Dec 05 19:24:23 that should trigger things Dec 05 19:25:04 no ihave tried 5-6 times it getting stuck Dec 05 19:25:15 you got to boot it til you see the message Dec 05 19:25:20 THEN remove and insert it Dec 05 19:25:26 ok Dec 05 19:25:31 doing it too early won't work Dec 05 19:25:52 the problem is sort of like this - it tries to setup the card and waits a fix time and assumes it is good.. this fails cuz that PoS is too slow Dec 05 19:26:14 removing and inserting causes a hotplug sequence (not the userland crap) which should generate the right things Dec 05 19:26:14 this sounds slightly insane Dec 05 19:26:24 it is totally insane Dec 05 19:26:26 slightly? Dec 05 19:26:31 and idiotic to ship cards like that Dec 05 19:26:56 it is tantamount to including 30ft of rope with every 200 2x4's purchased Dec 05 19:27:12 if i have to here more jar file talk over the cube wall.. Dec 05 19:27:27 jar files are fun Dec 05 19:27:28 * mranostay pops on some RATM :) Dec 05 19:27:35 unlike those lame zip files Dec 05 19:27:55 mranostay, java much? Dec 05 19:28:04 * wmat wonders if cat hair is conductive Dec 05 19:28:07 not me the other guys yes Dec 05 19:28:09 or you staying you are not classy enough to enjoy the nice brew of java in the morning? Dec 05 19:28:23 s/staying/saying/ Dec 05 19:28:35 or prehaps you are too classy to enjoy it in a glass jar? Dec 05 19:28:43 mdp: damn you! Dec 05 19:28:43 mdp: now i'm thinking about ordering one of those kosmos kits! Dec 05 19:28:58 whisky in a jar? Dec 05 19:29:05 KotH: get yourself some 6502 DIPs while you're at it Dec 05 19:29:16 mdp: now java on a 6502 that is an idea Dec 05 19:29:25 need a swig of that? Dec 05 19:29:27 mdp: why 6502s? i dont even have a beaglebone! Dec 05 19:29:33 mranostay: they have java for 8biters Dec 05 19:29:53 KotH: you can probably build a beaglebone with 6502s Dec 05 19:29:57 jvm bytecode is 8bit Dec 05 19:30:11 mranostay, quick project for you Dec 05 19:30:34 mdp projects are never quick :) Dec 05 19:32:50 mdp: dmitry.co, under thoughts - uJ...should fit the 6502 Dec 05 19:33:06 URL has spaces in there, so not pasting it Dec 05 19:34:05 ds2: ff replaces those spaces with %20 when you copy the url Dec 05 19:34:17 not wasting my time Dec 05 19:34:35 btw, https://plus.google.com/108984290462000253857/posts/N3Sc4JEqUN3 Dec 05 19:35:19 it's downright jarring Dec 05 19:36:29 *groans* Dec 05 19:36:54 ok.. i hate java.. but this is cool! Dec 05 19:37:09 of course it is, it involves 6502 Dec 05 19:38:07 * mru has done too much jvm hacking to find anything related cool Dec 05 19:38:09 imagine it with another 64K of bank-switched memory on a ][e! Dec 05 19:38:46 \o/ Dec 05 19:38:47 * KotH imagines the stm32 that is waiting in is drawer to be used finally Dec 05 19:39:16 team lm4f120 frowns at your stm32 ;) Dec 05 19:39:22 which reminds me... i should continue to design that damn thing Dec 05 19:39:34 the SD card ir working on my computer Dec 05 19:39:40 mdp: does the lm4 run with 168MHz? :) Dec 05 19:40:13 mdp: does it include neat stuff like ieee1588 capable ethernet mac? Dec 05 19:40:13 it frowns at you at only 80 million cycles per second Dec 05 19:40:28 it has stellarisware in ROM! Dec 05 19:40:33 * mdp sulks Dec 05 19:40:39 lol Dec 05 19:40:52 damn the facts Dec 05 19:41:09 i've somewhere an lm3s9b92 evk Dec 05 19:41:15 found my once lst stm32's last night. Dec 05 19:41:20 still in virgin condition Dec 05 19:41:25 s lst/lost Dec 05 19:42:11 btw: what do you use for schematic capture/pcb design? Dec 05 19:42:23 oss compatible design that is Dec 05 19:42:49 geda is imho a big mess, and kicad is a childs toy compared to what we use at work Dec 05 19:43:03 pen&paper Dec 05 19:43:36 * KotH doesnt want to do a board that involves a 200pin qfp by hand Dec 05 19:44:03 especially as it also involves an TDC with sub-ns resolution Dec 05 19:44:09 qfp is easy Dec 05 19:44:40 sure it's easy.. but its way too many pins! Dec 05 19:45:13 use a bold sharpie on the bathroom wall. Dec 05 19:45:38 .o0(too many trolls for a serious question here) Dec 05 19:46:40 mdp: another nice thing about the stm32: its breakout board with integrated usb jtag interface costs just 1-2 usd more than the naked chip Dec 05 20:01:57 anyone ever figure out how to keep a screen session going after logging out of SSH? I'm experiencing exactly this: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/beagleboard/S_R8NaCaiL8/mozkc_unbsEJ Dec 05 20:03:16 how did you manage to get a screen session to _not_ stay after logging out? Dec 05 20:03:56 i dunno, it's like the right when i logout, it sends a killall -9 on everything running in screen :-( Dec 05 20:04:31 you sure it gets a SIGKILL? Dec 05 20:04:54 no, i'm not sure. i'm just saying - nothing survives after logging out Dec 05 20:05:04 SIGHUP would be more believable Dec 05 20:05:15 but screen is specifically made for this Dec 05 20:05:25 so you must be doing something rather weird Dec 05 20:05:44 koen: PAM issue riht? Dec 05 20:05:46 *right Dec 05 20:06:20 is angström halfway sane? Dec 05 20:06:43 http://pastebin.com/3Lqa6d9d Dec 05 20:07:02 it started happening right after i did an opkg upgrade Dec 05 20:07:12 clockman: you sure screen isnt running? Dec 05 20:07:31 i could imagine that something is wiping /tmp and thus deleting the sockets of screen Dec 05 20:07:31 check out my pastebin Dec 05 20:07:35 KotH: this is a known issue Dec 05 20:07:43 mranostay: huh? Dec 05 20:07:46 mranostay: please explain Dec 05 20:08:06 i don't know all the details.. koen would Dec 05 20:08:42 koen: can you explain what the hell in angström causes such a strange behaviour? Dec 05 20:08:55 that sounds "odd" Dec 05 20:09:15 odd is the wrong word Dec 05 20:09:24 people would call mulder for cases like this Dec 05 20:12:55 doing opkg upgrade is never recommended Dec 05 20:13:10 then why does it exist? Dec 05 20:13:16 opkg update on the other hand is necessary Dec 05 20:13:45 update just pulls the latest package info right? upgrade updates the packages themselves Dec 05 20:13:48 dunno I've seen it work nope /maybe/ once Dec 05 20:13:59 correct Dec 05 20:15:30 yea, opkg upgrade on my gumstix beat the living crud out of the installation as well Dec 05 20:16:07 .o0(never run a touchy system) Dec 05 20:17:38 i have repartioned my sd card its showing "First sector (2048-7626751, default 2048): " Dec 05 20:18:36 first sector its not showing 1 Dec 05 20:21:58 normal Dec 05 20:34:10 * mranostay sees if can get banned from #raspberrypi Dec 05 20:35:12 a popup for opkg upgrade should read " continue at your own risk" since forever. Dec 05 20:35:39 djlewis: "Forsake all hope that enter here" Dec 05 20:36:03 mranostay: xyzzy will not work in this room. Dec 05 20:37:37 colossal cave before your time? Dec 05 20:38:31 [21:37] mranostay: The GPU "blob" is now open source Dec 05 20:38:34 yeah right Dec 05 20:38:37 heh Dec 05 20:39:53 djlewis: everything is before mranostay's time Dec 05 20:40:56 mru: how many systems boot off the GPU first? Dec 05 20:41:06 one that I know of Dec 05 20:41:17 mdp, maybe besides the 'beiber' Dec 05 20:41:23 you know, his favorite artist Dec 05 20:41:28 true that Dec 05 20:41:55 * mdp high fives panto and falls back clutching his back in pain Dec 05 20:42:19 hmm, panto sounds tall Dec 05 20:42:53 panto: don't be a hater Dec 05 20:42:58 a towering greek, yes Dec 05 20:43:30 a beacon of morality, able to leap tall napkins in a single leap Dec 05 20:43:53 napkins containing your next innovation? Dec 05 20:44:17 design for an education computer with an arm926 Dec 05 20:44:18 the napkins are the innovation! Dec 05 20:44:36 skip scrounging for shredded documents in trash cans, go for the scribble napkins instead. Dec 05 20:44:38 I've designed the 6502 edu-puter on one of them Dec 05 20:45:00 panto, and the result is an apple II ;) Dec 05 20:45:16 <+Grievar> mischief: okay but calling the rpi "not a real computer" is kind of off the mark. It has all of the basic functionality of the PC, it's just a bit lacking in performance Dec 05 20:48:08 define "a bit lacking" in terms of an equiv intel processor ;) Dec 05 20:49:36 or a close proximity thereof Dec 05 20:49:43 mru: are you logged on as another nick? :) Dec 05 20:52:21 web log Dec 05 20:52:26 the ban is by ip Dec 05 20:52:41 hah Dec 05 20:53:11 mru: they ban forever? :) Dec 05 20:53:16 yep Dec 05 20:53:21 the whole ip? Dec 05 20:53:27 so it seems Dec 05 20:53:39 or by hostname, not sure Dec 05 20:53:47 i should does from work to stop a few coworkers from logging on it :) Dec 05 20:53:47 I could always shuffle the hostnames... Dec 05 20:57:23 So Russ, thanks for the help NUT is installed and working (sort of). Interestingly when I start nut the connect/disconnect pattern goes away Dec 05 20:57:58 weird Dec 05 20:58:13 if I stop it, the cycle starts back up Dec 05 20:58:39 I'm unable to get the ups client to connect to the daemon, but this seems to be a permissions/nut configuration issue Dec 05 20:59:49 * spacecolonyone found a nice forum post where someone was having the same issue and it got resolved, unfortunately the solution didn't work for me :( Dec 05 21:00:14 I think they changed the configuration format or layout recently Dec 05 21:00:21 so read the docs rather than check google Dec 05 21:01:08 mranostay: did you see that? Dec 05 21:01:13 yea, I started with the docs, as best I can tell I've got it set up properly Dec 05 21:01:54 I've still not fully configured it (e.g it doesn't start by itself at boot) so I'm hoping it might just resolve itself Dec 05 21:03:11 anyway, cheers Dec 05 21:03:33 mranostay: did you see the guy just get banned on #rpi Dec 05 21:03:39 mru: that op is a real a**hole Dec 05 21:03:44 no shit Dec 05 21:05:11 mru: can't say hell or damn? Dec 05 21:05:25 nope Dec 05 21:05:40 * mranostay is about to get banned Dec 05 21:06:57 lol Dec 05 21:08:06 getting toasted isn't against the #rpi channel rules, right? Dec 05 21:08:49 mranostay: 21:03 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from ReggieUK: mIRC v7.15 Khaled Mardam-Bey Dec 05 21:09:05 hehe Dec 05 21:09:06 my o my Dec 05 21:09:11 what year is this? Dec 05 21:10:12 1197 Dec 05 21:10:13 er Dec 05 21:10:15 1997 Dec 05 21:11:13 same difference Dec 05 21:13:24 mru: think this guy has a highlight for swearwords? Dec 05 21:13:41 maybe Dec 05 21:13:50 he's sure quick to trigger Dec 05 21:14:02 they have kiddies on that channel Dec 05 21:14:08 no kidding Dec 05 21:14:34 even the sheriff himself runs mirc Dec 05 21:14:43 care to run a george carlin? Dec 05 21:14:56 7 dirty words? Dec 05 21:16:09 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqvLTJfYnik (nsfw) Dec 05 21:16:34 and not safe for milwaukee Dec 05 21:34:44 ewwww stellarisware Dec 05 21:35:28 mru: on angstrom, systemd fucks up anything that stays on...hence screen is defeated Dec 05 21:35:44 yet another reason to not use systemd Dec 05 21:36:10 indeed Dec 05 21:36:23 someone confirmed that part a few weeks ago Dec 05 21:36:43 so I was right, he is doing something very weird Dec 05 21:37:18 ds2, ... in rom...everything is better in rom Dec 05 21:38:04 mdp: give me a real databus and I'll reconsider it.... as far as I am concerned, stellaris is stillborn! Dec 05 21:38:53 * mdp pulls the arrow from his stellariware-carrying ROM Dec 05 21:41:51 with the pricepoints of the AM33x, why not make a AM33x version with say a meg of on board flash and forget about stellaris Dec 05 21:48:44 ds2, why not make something in between? Dec 05 21:49:04 mdp: in between in what way? Dec 05 21:49:17 functionality, not price Dec 05 21:49:34 but yes, I understand the part about price between lm3/4 and 33x Dec 05 21:49:41 I dunno, btw Dec 05 21:49:50 different TIs Dec 05 21:52:00 the thing is, the high end 430's are nipping at the stellaris Dec 05 21:52:11 and what's more, stellaris is really a stepchild ;) Dec 05 21:52:35 but if it had a GPMC, it'd be a more interesting part Dec 05 21:53:34 putting stuff in rom makes it small like a certain ARM from the I2C folks Dec 05 21:54:33 ds2, one of the m3 versions has an external bus controller, that caught my eye Dec 05 21:54:59 * ds2 looks again Dec 05 21:55:33 KeyStone? heh Dec 05 21:56:06 'night Dec 05 21:56:17 oh nice... an AM5 p/n Dec 05 21:58:05 hello Dec 05 21:58:13 got any beagle capes? Dec 05 21:58:21 got moneyz? Dec 05 21:58:24 or bones or whatever? Dec 05 21:58:30 i got all the money i need Dec 05 21:58:32 just canes and tophats Dec 05 21:58:58 beagle canes? never heard of them Dec 05 21:59:48 "Load app data error: Results not found for the given familyId" hehehe Dec 05 21:59:57 the star shines Dec 05 22:00:29 ds2, I went looking too and got the same thing Dec 05 22:00:37 ds2, take that as a sign you don't want that part Dec 05 22:00:48 I think so Dec 05 22:00:58 but the Keystone parts are kind of cool Dec 05 22:01:26 can i have a Keystone Light? Dec 05 22:02:17 no package info Dec 05 22:02:20 if it did POP... Dec 05 22:03:24 I'd take a heavy one Dec 05 22:19:09 ds2, keystone does not look like a mobile part Dec 05 22:20:10 Crofton: is "mobile" == POP? Dec 05 22:20:25 dunno Dec 05 22:20:49 pop usually means space-constrained Dec 05 22:20:51 but it seems like it would make it harder to keep cool Dec 05 22:21:11 the .kr folks have a POP part w/a similiar core Dec 05 22:22:50 or has POPing been lost with the dead cousins? Dec 05 23:09:14 interesting, a rpi question on the ham radio yahoo group... Dec 05 23:10:22 probably trying to run gnuradio on it Dec 05 23:10:35 wants exact steps to get fldigi to work Dec 05 23:10:52 does fldigi use floating point? Dec 05 23:10:52 desolder all chips Dec 05 23:10:59 ... Dec 05 23:11:21 Crofton: yep. through another required app Dec 05 23:11:49 no point then Dec 05 23:12:04 Crofton: any chance you've looked at the quickfilter chips? Dec 05 23:12:09 yep, i hit that wall with my RevC2 Dec 05 23:12:13 no Dec 05 23:12:26 what are they> Dec 05 23:12:34 512 tap FIR engines Dec 05 23:30:16 later . .. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 06 02:59:58 2012