**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 10 02:59:58 2012 Dec 10 03:18:43 hello Dec 10 04:51:10 hi Dec 10 04:51:41 I have a beaglebone, and I downloaded last demo image from angostrom-distribution.org Dec 10 04:52:14 I need to use SPI, but when I looking for into /dev Dec 10 04:52:24 there is not spidev device.... Dec 10 04:52:32 how can I solve this? Dec 10 04:54:30 should be a spidev2 Dec 10 04:55:28 to enable other spidevs you'll need to tweak your kernel. Here's a description: http://theredblacktree.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/multiple-spi-bus-beaglebone/ Dec 10 04:56:17 thanks emeb_mac Dec 10 04:56:50 np Dec 10 04:56:53 but... there is not spidev into /dev Dec 10 04:57:22 I have 3.2.30 kernel version Dec 10 04:57:40 strange. there was one in my angstrom from a few months back. Dec 10 04:58:02 must have done something to the newest kernel to change that. Dec 10 04:58:26 I was on the .28 kernel Dec 10 04:59:10 I have Angstrom distro.... Dec 10 04:59:16 me too Dec 10 05:00:04 before 3.2.30 ... I had 3.2.16 .... Dec 10 05:00:18 I'm going to download 3.2.28 Dec 10 05:00:22 and I will try Dec 10 05:01:54 emeb_mac: look at this Dec 10 05:01:57 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=kernel-module-spidev Dec 10 05:02:42 is from 3.2.34... and I think that I have the last version (3.2.30) :S Dec 10 05:10:04 hmm. loadable spidev. wonder if it sets up the gpio mux too. Dec 10 05:10:53 I don't know... I think that is manual set up.... Dec 10 05:22:23 <_av500_> €10 only: https://en.twitter.com/pogoplug/status/277108103856652288 Dec 10 05:23:50 OMG its teh cheap! Dec 10 05:27:01 OMG it's useless! Dec 10 05:27:49 pssssst ;) Dec 10 05:35:22 <_av500_> yes Dec 10 05:35:26 <_av500_> but only €10 Dec 10 05:35:43 <_av500_> so my autoordering script triggered Dec 10 05:46:51 got one coming in the mail now? Dec 10 05:47:46 just to add to the sbc collection... Dec 10 06:27:39 emeb_mac... are you there here? Dec 10 06:28:24 I know why I don't see a spidev in /dev Dec 10 06:29:47 I use a Beaglebone with a touchscreen by beagleboardtoys.com ---> http://beagleboardtoys.com/wiki/index.php?title=BeagleBone_LCD7 Dec 10 06:30:20 this touchscreen use the same pins that SPI Dec 10 06:30:22 :S Dec 10 06:32:09 wait - do you have a cape plugged in? Dec 10 06:32:29 emeb_mac: Yes Dec 10 06:32:50 the cape may override the gpio setup and disable SPI Dec 10 06:33:08 try shutting down, unplugging the cape and restarting. see if spidev shows up. Dec 10 06:33:36 emeb_mac: Yes... I did it... and works Dec 10 06:34:11 so that cape is incompatible with using SPI on those pins. Dec 10 06:34:44 I think... that I need to use I2C instead of SPI.... Dec 10 06:35:07 is spi only available on those sets of pins? Dec 10 06:35:36 there are several spi ports and they can be assigned to various pins. Dec 10 06:36:22 but that requires you to recompile the kernel with changes to the boardfile. Dec 10 06:36:42 (see link I gave above for info on doing that) Dec 10 06:36:46 thurbad: I Think, the problem is that Angstrom had just 1 SPI by default.... Dec 10 06:37:27 thurbad: Yes... it's like emeb_mac says Dec 10 06:37:36 it Dec 10 06:39:09 emeb_mac: Do you know where I downloaded angstrom kernel for modify it to enable the others SPI ports? Dec 10 06:40:49 you have to follow the directions for OE building. Start here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Dec 10 06:41:06 but that gets complicated. Dec 10 06:43:40 emeb_mac: thanks for your help.... tomorrow I'll looking for how to modified the kernel for enable the others spi ports.... Dec 10 06:44:02 good luck. Dec 10 06:44:10 because I don't have a patch for do it... Dec 10 06:44:17 emeb_mac: thanks! Dec 10 06:44:21 it's not difficult, but for angstrom there are a lot of steps you need to learn Dec 10 06:45:39 I compiled linux for ARM (like debian, ubuntu and I don't remember the other distro) ... but I never compile angstrom Dec 10 06:46:19 you don't need to recompile everything.. just the kernel Dec 10 06:47:03 thurbad: thanks..... Dec 10 07:28:07 hi all Dec 10 07:55:50 av500: really want the invite? :P Dec 10 11:13:16 does anyone know how I would go about registering SPIDEV for the beaglebone with the 3.7-rc8 kernel? Dec 10 11:13:58 edit the devicetree Dec 10 11:13:59 It doesn't yet have DT support, but I have found a patch but I don't know how to then add it to the device tree config Dec 10 11:18:13 Does something like this make any sense: Dec 10 11:18:14 &spi0 { Dec 10 11:18:14 status = "okay"; Dec 10 11:18:14 pinctrl-names = "default"; Dec 10 11:18:14 pinctrl-0 = <&spi0_pins>; Dec 10 11:18:14 spi0@0 { Dec 10 11:18:14 compatible = "linux, spidev"; Dec 10 11:18:15 } Dec 10 11:18:15 }; Dec 10 11:18:41 with this patch: http://www.mail-archive.com/spi-devel-general@lists.sourceforge.net/msg09958.html Dec 10 11:18:56 jackmitchell: http://pastebin.com/zskyQyKn Dec 10 11:19:00 something like that Dec 10 11:20:01 thanks koen, I'll use that as a starting point - I'm struggling to get my head round DT but I'm slowly getting there! Dec 10 11:54:12 koen: I think there may be an issue with the SPI driver, writes seem fine but reads don't seem to work Dec 10 11:54:33 I only tested writes with 3.7 Dec 10 11:54:39 koen: I've seen this with my custom kernel driver and also with the spidev test I have just performed Dec 10 11:55:12 koen: is there a correct place to bring it up, I can look into it myself but I don't hold out much hope Dec 10 11:56:12 the linux-omap list Dec 10 11:56:34 ok, thanks Dec 10 11:59:59 jackmitchell, I forgot to mention the other day that I also tested spi/dmaengine with a m25 flash device so read has also been tested at one point. Dec 10 12:01:31 mdp: ok, but I imagine the spidev_test is not using DMA Dec 10 12:02:40 mdp: I may try to hack a spidev_test example which forces the use of DMA and see if that works.. Dec 10 12:02:59 Not sure. Dec 10 12:03:02 Yeah Dec 10 12:04:30 With spi flash, a lot of the transactions are too small for DMA so the m25 tends to exercise all paths Dec 10 12:06:02 Er, let's just say I knlw that for sure as it was the primary target when first enabling dmaengine on davinci Dec 10 12:06:28 Though could be something new here Dec 10 12:09:38 hello Dec 10 12:31:01 mdp: when attempting to force DMA the spidev_test hangs, have you experienced anything like this before? Dec 10 12:31:18 no Dec 10 12:31:36 I have done this using two methods, 1) set the size of the spi message > 160 Dec 10 12:32:00 2) change the min dma buff size in the spi driver to 1 Dec 10 15:07:14 The company’s new strategy is based on two product-segment organizations: Sense & Power and Automotive Products; and Embedded Processing Solutions. Dec 10 15:07:34 which company/ Dec 10 15:07:35 ? Dec 10 15:08:01 and is that sense of the common variety? Dec 10 15:08:01 yes, guess Dec 10 15:08:45 ti? Dec 10 15:08:53 nope Dec 10 15:08:59 close Dec 10 15:09:18 freescale? Dec 10 15:09:28 no Dec 10 15:09:41 2 letters Dec 10 15:09:46 vw Dec 10 15:09:51 yay Dec 10 15:09:58 PG Dec 10 15:10:42 procter & gamble? Dec 10 15:10:44 vw focusing on automotive... Dec 10 15:11:13 mru: its about time, don't you think so? :P Dec 10 15:11:47 you'd think they'd get round to eventually Dec 10 15:11:50 +it Dec 10 15:12:04 PG was a joke Dec 10 15:12:45 press F5 in ya browsers Dec 10 15:13:01 is that news? Dec 10 15:13:26 shared transport :P Dec 10 15:13:29 or was it ericsson leaving st-e last time? Dec 10 15:13:58 yes Dec 10 15:13:58 question is, in a partnership of two, is it possible for only one party to leave? Dec 10 15:14:11 it is on domestic partnerships Dec 10 15:14:17 in* Dec 10 15:14:18 meego without nok Dec 10 15:14:31 nogo Dec 10 15:14:45 :D Dec 10 15:14:58 av500: yes, we know she gets the house and all that Dec 10 15:16:44 and he gets the mortgage :) Dec 10 15:16:46 KotH: tell koen about soekris again Dec 10 15:21:15 oops Dec 10 15:21:52 spoo Dec 10 15:22:52 mru: why? does he want to buy that shit? Dec 10 15:23:05 koen: stay away from soekris as far as possible Dec 10 15:23:26 koen: it "high quality us design"... that works less reliable than the cheapest chinese shit Dec 10 15:23:36 koen: and it's like that _by_design_ Dec 10 15:23:54 that's the difference between us shit and chinese shit Dec 10 15:23:58 the chinese do it by accident Dec 10 15:24:21 koen: oh.. and user support consists of either ignoring you, or telling you that you are an idiot and dont know what you are doing (exactl in those words!) Dec 10 15:27:28 KotH: https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/ctb4AmGqS8h Dec 10 15:28:40 *grumbles* Dec 10 15:28:54 * mru trolls mranostay Dec 10 15:29:00 mru: no mention of soekris Dec 10 15:29:19 KotH: sorry, wrong link: https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/6J3ZdwrFEUv Dec 10 15:29:23 g+ shuffles the posts on me Dec 10 15:29:31 *-ed Dec 10 15:29:56 it can't be monday it can't Dec 10 15:30:04 oh.. a net6501... Dec 10 15:30:05 * mranostay crys in the corner Dec 10 15:30:09 mranostay: we can always declare it friday Dec 10 15:30:25 the one with the bios bug that caused the cpu run at the lowest possible frequ while reporting back the highest possible Dec 10 15:30:52 and the one whos case has an opening for a fan, that is half closed Dec 10 15:31:26 KotH: never trust anything with a BIOS Dec 10 15:31:56 mranostay: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/18 Dec 10 15:31:59 mranostay: well... it's not the bios fault Dec 10 15:32:31 mranostay: but considering that the net5501 has been on the market longer than i can remember (prolly 7 years or so) and still has not manual available... Dec 10 15:32:37 mranostay: that company sucks Dec 10 15:32:48 mranostay: it sucks av500s trough a tiny straw Dec 10 15:34:05 mranostay: i can give you a long list of design faults of the net5501, all discovered within the first 10 minutes of operation Dec 10 15:34:31 mranostay: all could have been avoided if someone had a fucking clue Dec 10 15:39:08 my ranting was too much for koen Dec 10 15:39:09 ^^' Dec 10 15:40:28 https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/ctb4AmGqS8h is probably more related than soekris ranting Dec 10 15:42:35 KotH: I just upgraded to the bios that give the full cpu speed Dec 10 15:43:02 KotH: I never thought that I would be in a situation where I am thinking "it would be nice to have acpi" Dec 10 15:43:36 koen, no you don't Dec 10 16:17:51 lets see Dec 10 16:18:05 no one else has a am335x evm around and would like to save me a trip outside to my office? :) Dec 10 16:23:19 prpplague: like the Star Trek post Dec 10 16:27:55 mranostay: hehe Dec 10 16:37:40 prpplague: so not all red shirts died? Dec 10 16:38:11 mranostay: from the star trek memory alpha wiki pages, there is only one that didn't Dec 10 16:46:26 Question about x-loader on Beaglebone - I'm trying to understand how these work, so I'm trying to grab the u-boot and x-loader source. I'm reading http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone and I got the u-boot source from git://git.denx.de/u-boot.git , but I'm not sure about x-loader. I've found git://gitorious.org/x-loader/x-loader.git , but it's removed from the current wiki pages and Dec 10 16:46:26 I haven't had any luck seraching to find if that's the correct version or not. Anybody familiar with this, or knows where I should look? Dec 10 16:47:46 prpplague: that is bad ass :) Dec 10 16:50:03 DarthFaber: notice in the guide that MLO is now copied out of the U-Boot build directory...U-Boot SPL has deprecated x-loader for this functionality. Dec 10 16:52:41 Thank mdp. That makes a lot of sense. Dec 10 17:01:02 mranostay: prpplague: scotty didn't die... Dec 10 17:02:33 redshirt + landing party member = DEATH Dec 10 17:02:46 (they always left scotty behind) Dec 10 17:03:19 mru: hehe indeed Dec 10 17:03:41 didn't scotty go down in even one episode? Dec 10 17:03:58 no, kirk got all the green women Dec 10 17:04:03 true Dec 10 17:04:07 and in some episodes they had dozens of redshirts on the planet Dec 10 17:04:10 did _all_ of them die? Dec 10 17:04:18 *most* of them did Dec 10 17:04:44 some of them always died Dec 10 17:04:58 how else would the viewers know how the monster works? Dec 10 17:05:09 yup Dec 10 17:05:24 hence why you didn't want to be a redshirt on an away mission Dec 10 17:05:34 but I think you'll have a hard time proving that _all_ of them died Dec 10 17:05:36 they were mostly "security detail" Dec 10 17:05:39 they're like non-player characters in an RPG..you always take some along to throw down the steps to search for traps Dec 10 17:06:35 what about episodes featuring shore leave for all? Dec 10 17:06:50 ideally they don't wear their uniform shirt Dec 10 17:06:59 there were 2 and 2 redshirts died Dec 10 17:07:00 to be safe Dec 10 17:07:27 redshirs were "security detail" Dec 10 17:07:31 mru, are you looking for metrics? Dec 10 17:09:07 and what of times when there's an implication of more redshirts being present than are actually visible on screen? Dec 10 17:09:59 I can't find the original number crunching, but the numbers I have are 13.7% of the crew died...and 73% of deaths were Red Shirts Dec 10 17:10:11 that sounds about right Dec 10 17:10:11 link to actual number crunching is dead Dec 10 17:10:23 http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/04/star-trek-red-s/ Dec 10 17:10:44 +1 on the despair.com poster use Dec 10 17:11:18 * mdp this Monday meeting makes me feel *alive* Dec 10 17:13:12 if you were a redshirt you hoped that Kirk "made contact" so you would have a better chance of living... Dec 10 17:39:39 av500: noticed the announced market trend yet? TI, FSL, now ST all with a similar focus. Dec 10 17:39:57 mdp: oh the horror!!! http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter Dec 10 17:40:34 "ridiculously powerful" Dec 10 17:41:14 "[Exact] Steps to play sound:" Dec 10 17:45:20 prpplague: hehehehe, "//TODO! Make DMA work. We decided that this needs to be a kernel mode driver" Dec 10 17:47:06 they're banging the bits so hard here it's practically NSFW. Dec 10 17:47:34 I like the variable name: allof7e Dec 10 17:47:41 almost like sevenof9 Dec 10 17:49:36 I'm wondering how long we have until we have 5-7 vendors all making nearly identical parts for IVI/ADAS just like they do for the mobile market Dec 10 17:52:06 prpplague, oh god Dec 10 17:53:40 panto, mranostay would love the python part though Dec 10 17:54:04 kill it with fire! Dec 10 17:56:36 someone say python? Dec 10 17:57:28 the trap has been sprung Dec 10 17:57:41 prpplague, somehow I don't think the FCC would approve Dec 10 17:58:19 hehe Dec 10 17:58:26 thought you guys would enjoy that one Dec 10 17:59:53 python is all you need Dec 10 18:00:05 it almost has real threads :P Dec 10 18:01:44 "have written any kernel drivers?" "uh no but i write awesome python applications, so doing kernel drivers shouldn't be that different..." Dec 10 18:01:53 i/you Dec 10 18:04:44 prpplague: kernel drivers are for neckbeards Dec 10 18:04:45 mdp: hey you'll have to give me some props when i write my PRU app :P Dec 10 18:05:14 mranostay, I will provide gratuitous shout-outs..love to highlight people doing the right thing Dec 10 18:05:18 it's so rare, you know Dec 10 18:06:05 mranostay, I will communicate it to my vast audience of *zero* ;) Dec 10 18:07:51 * mru needs to think of a topic to talk about at elc in feb Dec 10 18:08:00 +1 Dec 10 18:08:12 as in you will speak in public? Dec 10 18:08:22 mru: "social aspects of irc" Dec 10 18:08:26 as in give a presentation Dec 10 18:08:41 mranostay: interesting as that may be, I don't see the relevance to elc Dec 10 18:09:02 I sort of do Dec 10 18:09:06 mdp: btw i don't see you in the trolling group Dec 10 18:09:09 Crofton|work: the random trolling at the bar does not require planning ahead Dec 10 18:09:13 "exact steps for asking questions on irc" Dec 10 18:13:59 hmm, I guess it's possible to talk about how to get useful results from irc Dec 10 18:14:39 heh i like the average price of the hotel they picked Dec 10 18:14:42 $400 a night Dec 10 18:15:10 I assume there'll be a block rate of ~$140 Dec 10 18:15:19 yeah better get in that block :) Dec 10 18:15:21 nobody pays list price for hotels Dec 10 18:16:16 hmm i wonder what the best plan for me to get there is Dec 10 18:16:23 caltrain or driving Dec 10 18:16:39 I don't have that dilemma... Dec 10 18:16:51 of course you don't Dec 10 18:17:10 this is why i liked Redwood Shores no matter how boring of a place it was :P Dec 10 18:19:58 it is close to BART Dec 10 18:22:36 crap, I need to book another conference hotel in an ridiculouos rate hotel Dec 10 18:29:42 Crofton|work: 0.6 miles from Caltrain Dec 10 18:29:55 ok wait Dec 10 18:31:33 i wonder how much the hostel next door is Dec 10 18:31:59 a fraction Dec 10 18:32:06 and with complimentary roaches Dec 10 18:32:14 snacks Dec 10 18:32:27 roaches never hurt anyone right? Dec 10 18:32:42 bring your own box ,mranostay, will be nicer Dec 10 18:34:16 well could all have a troll dorm :P Dec 10 18:34:39 the block rate is $169 Dec 10 18:34:42 not so bad Dec 10 18:35:19 it isn't if you have a company that pays for it :) Dec 10 18:37:36 which is all the easier to argue for if you're accepted as speaker Dec 10 18:40:08 you'd think Dec 10 18:40:13 but didn't work the last time Dec 10 18:42:02 at least you get the speaker perks Dec 10 18:42:52 Crofton|work: i really need to make a decision on ELC as well Dec 10 18:47:08 we know a few cheaper places in the rea that people used during collab last year Dec 10 18:47:19 I suspect they are reaonably close Dec 10 18:47:45 also, BART will get you from the airport to the confernece, no need for a taxi :) Dec 10 18:48:02 Crofton|work: ahh ok thanks Dec 10 18:49:05 * prpplague still marvels at how Crofton|work is able to attend so many conferences Dec 10 18:49:06 ok i think i'll do caltrain and if i miss that i'll be sleeping on one your rooms floor :P Dec 10 18:49:32 hehe Dec 10 18:49:33 wishes they ran a 2a drunk route :P Dec 10 18:49:39 I am my own boss. Makes all the difference in the world Dec 10 18:49:46 hehe Dec 10 18:50:08 also bring pants. No more nudity in SFO Dec 10 18:50:20 more? Dec 10 18:50:26 hehe Dec 10 18:50:27 * mdp updates his packing list Dec 10 18:50:43 i am actually more excited about ELCE-2013 Dec 10 18:50:57 Crofton|work: the area is not that much cheaper Dec 10 18:51:01 * prpplague plans some major holiday time for ELCE Dec 10 18:51:13 heh Dec 10 18:51:17 hmm, I only managed 8 conferences this year Dec 10 18:51:19 Crofton|work: the hotel denix and I used had a spring break special, for ELC it's only $20/night cheaper Dec 10 18:51:29 koen: at the roach motel? Dec 10 18:51:39 or was that the collab Dec 10 18:51:44 collab Dec 10 18:51:56 if you go 1 block to the west you will be in the Tenderloin, your life expectancy is not good however :P Dec 10 18:51:57 how was that roach hotel? Dec 10 18:52:23 ka6sox: that area gets scary really really fsat Dec 10 18:52:25 *fast Dec 10 18:52:33 yup Dec 10 18:52:53 mranostay: king george was good, but tiny rooms Dec 10 18:52:53 hobos, hookers, drug users, the whole gambit Dec 10 18:53:02 koen: how much? Dec 10 18:53:19 I was in hotel fusion I think Dec 10 18:53:20 similar Dec 10 18:53:46 mranostay: it was $80/night for spring break, not it's $149/night Dec 10 18:53:54 s/not/now/ Dec 10 18:53:55 mranostay: koen would fit in well at that kind of place... Dec 10 18:54:27 aww man, who let NishanthMenon in here? Dec 10 18:54:50 the internetz did that is who Dec 10 18:54:54 prpplague, :D Dec 10 18:55:09 there goes the neighborhood Dec 10 18:55:58 we can always create a new channel and keep it more secret :P Dec 10 18:56:08 hehe Dec 10 18:56:27 aaah Dec 10 18:56:44 * prpplague checks flights for elc Dec 10 18:56:49 ##beagle-private Dec 10 18:57:43 hehe Dec 10 18:57:56 mdp: #legal-beagle Dec 10 18:58:23 hmm, not too bad $250 round trip Dec 10 18:58:59 wow Dec 10 18:59:06 really? Dec 10 18:59:42 hmm, maybe i should go ahead and book it Dec 10 19:00:08 not getting cheaper for sure Dec 10 19:00:47 hrm, I need to look..but I think I have a free ticket for my personal assistant Dec 10 19:03:45 hrm, I miss the days of 3-4 daily nonstops to SFO Dec 10 19:04:02 prpplague: $370 from here which is not too bad Dec 10 19:04:17 mdp: ahh Dec 10 19:04:31 mdp: which airline? Dec 10 19:04:53 that's united for me...still have some level of hub in CLE Dec 10 19:05:47 ahh Dec 10 19:05:49 AA for me Dec 10 19:06:17 I'm usually AA to DFW, but that's all Dec 10 19:06:28 united is generally the best out of here Dec 10 19:06:38 especially to the left coast Dec 10 19:07:52 prpplague: I suppose I should get my proposal in this week ;) Dec 10 19:08:01 elinux page and all that Dec 10 19:08:03 mdp: yea, and mranostay too Dec 10 19:08:13 er my second one? :) Dec 10 19:08:27 prpplague, I've sent my first one Dec 10 19:08:30 last week was a catch-up week after weeks of turmoil Dec 10 19:08:34 I should prep the second too Dec 10 19:08:44 mdp / mranostay : get you pages up so i have the URL, i'm going to order some quick-n-dirty biz cards with the URL and your contact info Dec 10 19:08:50 panto: dandy Dec 10 19:09:02 btw, I don't remember with whom I've been talking about capebus a few weeks ago Dec 10 19:09:03 prpplague: hrm?!? Dec 10 19:09:14 panto: procom doesn't get access to the list until a week before closing Dec 10 19:09:16 there was a cape like design but stored identification to NAND? Dec 10 19:09:20 prpplague: ok i'll get right on it this time Dec 10 19:09:21 mdp: ?? Dec 10 19:09:27 panto, the s/w formerly known as capebus Dec 10 19:09:30 heh Dec 10 19:09:48 prpplague: bizcards? Dec 10 19:10:08 mdp: yea, i noticed that a bunch of people were asking for info and url for the presentation Dec 10 19:10:09 yeah have to have a new name before you can call it formerly Dec 10 19:10:17 ahh, ok Dec 10 19:10:20 don't call me shirley Dec 10 19:10:20 mdp: this way you can just hand them out Dec 10 19:10:47 I need exact steps too Dec 10 19:11:00 hehe Dec 10 19:11:08 airfare booked Dec 10 19:11:16 "wire it up in an hour. debug it for weeks. execute codez" Dec 10 19:11:41 so... i can book via aa.com and get a bunch of extra AA miles for $178 or go through the LF block code for $169 Dec 10 19:11:47 when is the cfp deadline btw? Dec 10 19:11:53 panto: jan4 Dec 10 19:12:02 oh, plenty of time Dec 10 19:14:05 prpplague: http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/3786 ... mmm Dec 10 19:14:23 work safe? as av500 has been posting ascii art that is NOT Dec 10 19:14:28 lol Dec 10 19:14:30 it's ok ;) Dec 10 19:14:38 hehe TI blocked Dec 10 19:14:46 wat?!? Dec 10 19:14:48 *sigh* Dec 10 19:14:54 Reason: Dec 10 19:14:54 Not allowed to browse Computer Hacking category Dec 10 19:15:08 f u TI IT! Dec 10 19:15:40 mdp, one of us actually got flamed by IT for using words that tickled email filter a little too often ;) Dec 10 19:16:23 it's talking about filters to help emulators generate something closer to an old vector display on an LCD display Dec 10 19:16:33 prpplague, fwiw..worth reading later Dec 10 19:16:38 old people stuffs! Dec 10 19:16:53 NishanthMenon: ahh, yes, I heard that story...aware of who that is Dec 10 19:17:03 mdp, :) Dec 10 19:17:05 I think I got bcced or fwded it ;) Dec 10 19:17:10 lol Dec 10 19:17:24 mdp: thanks i sent it to my home pc Dec 10 19:18:08 prpplague: my wife recently said, "what is that kind of screen you said Tempest uses?!? I miss that...." Dec 10 19:18:26 mdp: hehe Dec 10 19:18:33 eating time... Dec 10 19:19:32 have a greek salad on me Dec 10 19:19:42 * emeb helped a buddy fix an old Tempest game a while back Dec 10 19:19:55 was fun putting the X/Y up on my oscope Dec 10 19:21:17 emeb, much fun! Dec 10 19:21:42 I'm impressed with their shader settings to emulate the CRT look Dec 10 19:21:52 mdp: yep - interesting looking at how they did it - mostly hardware, just a few bits of color control. Dec 10 19:21:53 need to update my MAME ;) Dec 10 19:22:00 yeah Dec 10 19:22:01 need to think of witty title for my abstract Dec 10 19:22:10 the metal slug screenshot looks really nice Dec 10 19:22:55 I don't see any indication that somebody's tried to fully capture the vector look Dec 10 19:24:17 oh, nm..I found it Dec 10 19:40:10 so anyone use this Ingress thing? Dec 10 19:41:33 howdy robclark Dec 10 19:41:52 howdy Dec 10 19:41:57 mranostay: what is it? Dec 10 19:42:05 ingress doesn't sound very conducive to work from home types Dec 10 19:42:38 mru: another google thing Dec 10 19:42:58 "augmented reality" app Dec 10 19:49:19 "augmented reality" app Dec 10 19:49:51 can it be used for trolling? Dec 10 19:51:23 who knows Dec 10 19:51:33 try and find out Dec 10 19:54:10 have no droid devices Dec 10 19:54:50 run on the emulator Dec 10 19:55:03 on tizen Dec 10 19:55:24 mranostay, go order an N4 Dec 10 19:55:34 mranostay, just buy something Dec 10 19:55:55 but that is what they want me to do Dec 10 19:56:01 do it Dec 10 19:56:16 i don't wanna! Dec 10 19:56:47 droid devices as in the motorola line of phones? Dec 10 19:57:15 "bitbanging on steriods" catchy enough? Dec 10 19:57:43 yeah well i have an iphone so no point in that one Dec 10 19:57:45 bitbanging like a boss Dec 10 19:58:12 hmm nice ring Dec 10 19:59:56 bitbanging on meth would be pushing it i think Dec 10 20:01:13 AM335x PRU: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Bitbanging :P Dec 10 20:01:49 it might sound better with 'Love the Bitbang' Dec 10 20:01:57 or 'Love the Bitbanging' Dec 10 20:02:23 Bitbangers Ball Dec 10 20:02:47 nfw Linux Foundation is letting that fly :) Dec 10 20:04:24 try it Dec 10 20:05:13 #bitbangtheworld Dec 10 21:01:01 kiilo: lol Dec 10 21:01:02 er.. Dec 10 21:01:04 koen: lol Dec 10 21:01:18 koen: well.. as i said, soekris stuff is broke by design Dec 10 21:02:01 koen: mostly because soren himself thinks too highly of himself, thinks he knows it all, and everyone who critisizes his products is an complete idiot and should be ignored Dec 10 21:02:18 koen: i have no fucking clue how he could survive with that attitude this long Dec 10 21:02:29 koen: prolly rpi like propaganda machine Dec 10 21:03:18 sounds like lennart Dec 10 21:03:35 yeah.. but people buy there stuff Dec 10 21:04:07 people "buy" lennart's stuff too Dec 10 21:04:07 i dont know how many people called me a complete lunatic on the soekris self-help-mailinglist for pointing out obvious mistakes in the design Dec 10 21:04:28 actually, i've never been called an idiot before, not publicly at least Dec 10 21:04:35 lennart&kay have blocked me on g+ Dec 10 21:04:56 i have not been banned on the ml yet Dec 10 21:05:08 though i dont say anything there anymore Dec 10 21:05:22 i'm not going to help someone who called me an idiot to sell more of his stuff Dec 10 21:05:46 especially not if i was his customer! Dec 10 21:05:58 does anybody know the email address of 'dvance'? Dec 10 21:06:04 KotH: anyhow, any topic you'd like to hear me talk about at elc? Dec 10 21:06:24 mru: compilers, and how they mess up Dec 10 21:06:27 mhaberler: that's not an email address, it doesn't have an @ in it Dec 10 21:06:38 mru: should be obvious though ;) Dec 10 21:07:05 I want to contact this fellow, but only saw his post here; cant correlate to an identity Dec 10 21:07:16 mru: SIMD! Dec 10 21:07:21 mhaberler: rule of thumb: if someone on irc didnt give you his email adress, then most probably he doesnt want you to send him an email Dec 10 21:07:23 oh, you're asking for the email address of someone with that nick Dec 10 21:07:50 yes - he hasnt been online since I saw the post in the log Dec 10 21:07:50 mhaberler: why don't you ask him directly? Dec 10 21:07:55 he's on irc right now Dec 10 21:08:01 though not in this channel Dec 10 21:08:10 oh.. which channel? Dec 10 21:08:15 don't know Dec 10 21:08:32 I just did /whois Dec 10 21:08:44 not on freenode Dec 10 21:09:01 yes, freenode Dec 10 21:09:31 ah, the trailing _ , got him - thanks Dec 10 21:09:42 poor guy Dec 10 21:09:45 the guy must be german speaking Dec 10 21:10:17 odd, the server I'm connected to says there's no suck nick with the _ Dec 10 21:10:26 unless of course, quassel is being used in other languages as well Dec 10 21:10:33 is there a netsplit in progress somewhere? Dec 10 21:10:46 <_av500_> g+ down only for me? Dec 10 21:10:51 we're on freenode, the probabilty is higher than for sunshine in london Dec 10 21:11:05 _av500_: down here too Dec 10 21:11:31 <_av500_> k Dec 10 21:11:32 _av500_: do you already have withdrawal symptoms? Dec 10 21:11:33 works for me Dec 10 21:11:49 503 here Dec 10 21:12:25 mru: you probably broke youtube as well Dec 10 21:12:50 youtube works here Dec 10 21:13:23 <_av500_> mobile works for me too Dec 10 21:13:38 g+ says "user or password wrong" for me Dec 10 21:13:51 KotH: I thought you refused to use it Dec 10 21:13:58 mru: i dont :) Dec 10 21:14:30 <_av500_> mobile client is slow to load posts Dec 10 21:18:14 <_av500_> mru: you are not in londown by chance tomorrow night? Dec 10 21:20:09 _av500_: I can be if there's a good reason Dec 10 21:20:45 _av500_: mixed bag of SMD resistors sounds like fun Dec 10 21:21:02 mranostay: mixed bag of SMD capacitors is even more fun :-) Dec 10 21:21:23 mixed bag of resistors _and_ capacitors Dec 10 21:21:47 mru: capacitors and resistors are easy to tell apart Dec 10 21:22:01 mru: if, you have to mix capacitors with mlcc inductors Dec 10 21:29:45 <_av500_> ah, plusgoogle is back Dec 10 21:31:12 <_av500_> mru: can I simply buy a prepaid data sim in the uk? Dec 10 21:31:28 _av500_: http://couriernews.suntimes.com/business/16930699-420/gmail-users-complain-of-service-outage.html Dec 10 21:31:37 <_av500_> prpplague: that gmail Dec 10 21:31:38 _av500_: no idea, never tried Dec 10 21:32:06 _av500_: hehe, my wife caught chandler looking at that ascii gif you posted, hehe Dec 10 21:32:31 <_av500_> lol Dec 10 21:32:35 <_av500_> and? Dec 10 21:32:41 <_av500_> want more? Dec 10 21:32:47 <_av500_> I can share directly with him Dec 10 21:33:27 there's always http://www.textfiles.com/artscene/asciiart/ Dec 10 21:33:34 <_av500_> not animated Dec 10 21:33:38 _av500_: after a few explainations my wife asked "you mean this was posted by that rude man in the front row of your presentation?" Dec 10 21:33:47 <_av500_> lol Dec 10 21:33:59 _av500_: if you watch them on a 2400 baud modem connection they are Dec 10 21:34:01 * prpplague jokes with _av500_ Dec 10 21:34:08 <_av500_> prpplague: can I send you stuff to put into her face cream? Dec 10 21:34:09 prpplague: girls don't get the trolling generally :) Dec 10 21:34:26 _av500_: have to think of something new Dec 10 21:34:29 mranostay: indeed Dec 10 21:34:37 <_av500_> prpplague: hint: spring loaded Dec 10 21:34:39 I know a few who do Dec 10 21:34:59 prpplague: which conference did she go too? Dec 10 21:35:14 mranostay: she was watching one of the free electronics videos Dec 10 21:35:16 mru: do they have hairy underarms ? Dec 10 21:37:16 no Dec 10 21:37:34 don't think so at least Dec 10 21:37:58 been a while since I've seen them, and I don't remember how they were dressed then Dec 10 21:40:11 _av500_: am I to infer you're coming to this lovely island? Dec 10 21:40:50 <_av500_> tomorrow Dec 10 21:40:55 <_av500_> flight back wed morning Dec 10 21:42:25 I suppose I could try my luck on the train Dec 10 21:42:38 get some use out of that discount card I bought earlier Dec 10 21:42:39 <_av500_> mru: nah Dec 10 21:42:54 <_av500_> I'll prolly go to bed earyl, I'm dead tired anyway Dec 10 21:43:02 ok Dec 10 21:43:19 <_av500_> just had a night of drinking at LetoThe2nd's Dec 10 21:43:24 hehe Dec 10 21:44:03 haha Dec 10 21:44:06 <_av500_> hoho Dec 10 21:44:16 thats in 2 weeks Dec 10 21:44:45 prpplague: "rude man" ;) Dec 10 21:44:48 nvidia! Dec 10 21:45:28 o.O Dec 10 21:47:08 O.o Dec 10 21:47:26 o.O Dec 10 21:47:57 @.o Dec 10 21:48:06 * panto got into a fight Dec 10 21:48:13 @.@ Dec 10 21:48:40 <_av500_> Q.Q Dec 10 21:49:12 panto arent you at sleep at this time normaly? Dec 10 21:49:29 panto never sleeps Dec 10 21:49:37 <_av500_> woglinde: why? Dec 10 21:49:39 <_av500_> its greece Dec 10 21:49:43 <_av500_> they party all night Dec 10 21:49:49 I usually have dinner at that time at summer Dec 10 21:49:59 partying is afterwards Dec 10 21:50:14 s/partying/rioting/ Dec 10 21:50:21 is there a diff? Dec 10 21:50:34 <_av500_> at one you throw the alcohol Dec 10 21:50:56 only the amateurs Dec 10 21:51:20 the professionals drink and watch by the sidelines Dec 10 21:51:28 av500 hm he often said good night Dec 10 21:51:29 <_av500_> and offer snide remarks Dec 10 21:51:35 <_av500_> woglinde: yes Dec 10 21:51:39 <_av500_> woglinde: its a trap Dec 10 21:51:43 yes Dec 10 21:51:46 well, it is wintertime Dec 10 21:51:48 damn bear traps Dec 10 21:52:01 sure we have snow Dec 10 21:52:07 want some? Dec 10 21:53:25 wouldn't mind it Dec 10 21:53:33 rain is not much fun Dec 10 21:53:42 panto: winter time in greece i'm sure that is rough... Dec 10 21:53:47 melting snow is the hell Dec 10 21:53:53 what does it dip down to 20C ? Dec 10 21:54:10 hey, we're down to 3C right now Dec 10 21:54:17 it's unbearable Dec 10 21:54:25 lol Dec 10 21:54:26 * panto queues bear-time Dec 10 21:55:32 bear with me Dec 10 21:56:22 <_av500_> +1 Dec 10 21:56:31 <_av500_> still building Dec 10 21:56:54 <_av500_> dexing Dec 10 21:57:45 dexification in process..please hold Dec 10 21:58:01 preparing to unleash Java Dec 10 21:58:03 java program optimized to (still) run like crap... done. Dec 10 21:58:09 ;) Dec 10 21:58:09 release the kraken! Dec 10 21:58:15 * mdp runs Dec 10 21:58:16 lol Dec 10 21:58:31 g1+ garbage collector Dec 10 21:59:26 a good garbage collector would collect about 99% of all java programs Dec 10 21:59:39 if the jvm really had a garbage collector, it would start by deleting itself Dec 10 21:59:44 java on a switch everyone say it with me! Dec 10 22:00:04 a relay switch?!?!? damn java does run on everything nowadays :) Dec 10 22:00:13 even phones, I am told Dec 10 22:00:27 <_av500_> yes Dec 10 22:00:43 <_av500_> for switches its more complicated Dec 10 22:00:48 <_av500_> you run OSGI on java there Dec 10 22:02:22 panto, that's precisely why C++ did not include garbage collection Dec 10 22:03:09 I don't think the word 'precisely' even belongs in the same sentence as 'c++' Dec 10 22:03:14 * panto holds back... Dec 10 22:03:16 *ever Dec 10 22:03:36 *g* Dec 10 22:04:26 sorta precisely Dec 10 22:04:41 exactly vaguely Dec 10 22:05:09 I barely completely understand Dec 10 22:05:17 bear with me Dec 10 22:05:17 bearly? Dec 10 22:05:22 C++, the relative language Dec 10 22:05:24 av500 osgi is too new Dec 10 22:05:38 * mranostay gets the popcorn Dec 10 22:05:47 * mru invents a new language: bearlang Dec 10 22:07:03 for those extra hairy problems Dec 10 22:07:22 hm why the hell the guy from ffead-cpp fucked up the buildsystem Dec 10 22:07:39 sharp as a laser? Dec 10 22:07:48 because very few people understand buildsystems Dec 10 22:09:02 I will switch it to autotools Dec 10 22:09:06 why is that? Dec 10 22:09:16 does it require more education? Dec 10 22:09:19 reeducation? Dec 10 22:09:28 attitude adjustment? Dec 10 22:09:32 autotools suck, but they suck less than the alternatives Dec 10 22:09:33 it requires the realisation that the build system is as important as the code it builds Dec 10 22:09:40 uh oh Dec 10 22:09:44 just use a config.h Dec 10 22:09:52 mdp I think lack of knowledge Dec 10 22:09:55 if you donno how to edit it for your system, you don't need to be using it. Dec 10 22:09:57 it is that simple. Dec 10 22:10:06 ds2: that works in many cases Dec 10 22:10:11 mru, next you'll claim test code is as important as the code under test! Dec 10 22:10:17 mru: in what case it does not work? Dec 10 22:10:24 to few people dont know that there are crosscompilers Dec 10 22:11:05 ds2: I'd rather not write the kernel .config entirely by hand Dec 10 22:11:08 a compiler is a compiler. there should not be any expectations that it always generates output for a particular system,device,etc. Dec 10 22:11:18 mru: not write it. modify it. Dec 10 22:11:28 even so, you still need the makefiles Dec 10 22:11:43 build system is more than build _configuration_ Dec 10 22:12:48 okay good nite Dec 10 22:12:54 cya Dec 10 22:13:27 yamas Dec 10 22:13:33 haha Dec 10 22:13:45 curious late night wish Dec 10 22:13:51 maybe you should go out party :) Dec 10 22:14:00 its freezing cold Dec 10 22:14:17 we already had some party with the kids at the soccer club Dec 10 22:14:18 ;) Dec 10 22:15:40 going to bed too Dec 10 22:15:43 g'night all Dec 10 22:16:52 mdp: http://books.slashdot.org/story/12/12/09/1849256/book-review-sams-teach-yourself-nodejs-in-24-hours Dec 10 22:17:39 mdp: save your time and money, i have a better recommendation - "how to give yourself a frontal lobotomy in 5 minutes" Dec 10 22:19:06 s/give yourself a frontal lobotomy/become a badass rockstar/ Dec 10 22:19:16 <_av500_> ds2: same thing Dec 10 22:19:18 <_av500_> oops Dec 10 22:19:21 <_av500_> mdp: ^^ Dec 10 22:19:28 heh Dec 10 22:19:48 prpplague: I'll stick with my SAMS apple ][ assembly language cookbook then ;) Dec 10 22:19:59 hehe Dec 10 22:20:06 mdp, because threads? Dec 10 22:20:26 I must have pointers! Dec 10 22:20:36 all the pointers belonging Dec 10 22:20:54 beowulf 6502! Dec 10 22:20:55 bitbang all the pointers Dec 10 22:21:20 PRU haz pointerz Dec 10 22:21:22 and where is my beaglewolf? Dec 10 22:21:30 and lots of bitbags Dec 10 22:23:34 so someone suggested talking about compilers and/or simd... I could do that, but is it the kind of thing the programme committee likes? Dec 10 22:28:52 both seem awfully related to embedded linux Dec 10 22:29:33 simd optimization techniques would seem to be of general interest. Dec 10 22:30:19 I have some material I could brush up on how to write code fast Dec 10 22:30:24 erm, write fast code Dec 10 22:30:49 manderson had one selected in 2011: http://elinux.org/images/4/40/Elc2011_anderson_arm.pdf Dec 10 22:31:09 I remember that disaster Dec 10 22:31:35 I think that was in my "off years" Dec 10 22:32:00 I would focus not so much on the low-level instructions Dec 10 22:32:08 that bit is easy to learn Dec 10 22:32:27 what I find lacking is good high-level structure to accomodate low-level optimisation Dec 10 22:32:49 hrm, I'm already intrigued Dec 10 22:35:37 much more chance of providing exact steps with something high level Dec 10 22:36:25 when I optimise someone's software, I often spend more time restructuring the code than writing assembly Dec 10 23:25:50 mru, go for it Dec 10 23:26:05 if the program committee rejects it, we will complain Dec 10 23:26:18 any suggestions on how to sell it? Dec 10 23:27:02 Writing better NEON code by understanding Dec 10 23:27:07 understanding what? Dec 10 23:27:36 it's not limited to neon, but I guess that has some buzzword factor Dec 10 23:27:36 Be sure to open the abstract with something like, the basic NEON instrcutions are well understaod, but design patterns for using them efffectively are not Dec 10 23:27:40 yeah Dec 10 23:27:53 I used NEON, you might use SIMD Dec 10 23:27:59 or SIMD instructions such as NEON Dec 10 23:28:02 you mean I should stack up all the phrases I'd never use in real life? Dec 10 23:28:19 like "design pattern" and "best practices" Dec 10 23:28:37 yes, but use them intelligently Dec 10 23:28:48 another talk on the NEON instruction set would be lame Dec 10 23:28:54 yes Dec 10 23:29:07 what we need is insite we can use to write our own code Dec 10 23:29:37 how are your presentation skillz? Dec 10 23:30:07 I like to think they're reasonable Dec 10 23:30:31 you've stood in fornt of people and educated them before? Dec 10 23:31:35 several times a week for a few years at university, if that's of any relevance Dec 10 23:31:46 that counts Dec 10 23:32:03 even if the circumstances would be embaressing Dec 10 23:32:07 more recently the odd company-internal presentation Dec 10 23:32:29 and some at linaro confs Dec 10 23:33:20 I think you are very aware of what presentations have been done, and where the gaps are Dec 10 23:33:55 I haven't been to all the elcs Dec 10 23:34:28 what you have talked about so far would be good Dec 10 23:34:56 the ptr talk covered "introductory material" Dec 10 23:35:26 the ELC audience is good enough that we could skip that level of detail Dec 10 23:35:41 I'd reuse some material from a presentation I did for linaro Dec 10 23:36:09 but I want to change the focus a bit from that one Dec 10 23:36:12 that would be fine Dec 10 23:36:17 and there weren't many people there either Dec 10 23:37:45 a good talk on writing simd would be well received in my opinion Dec 10 23:38:10 well, that's not really what I think should be talked about Dec 10 23:38:24 we can safely assuem you will not be promoting ARM products at the expense of conteent, or promoting yoursefl at the expense of content Dec 10 23:38:38 of course not Dec 10 23:38:57 I might use arm as an example because I know it well and it's relevant Dec 10 23:39:32 but the presentation I have in mind stops short of the actual writing of simd code Dec 10 23:39:39 that's well-covered elsewhere Dec 10 23:40:37 http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/news/mentor-embedded-matlab-arm-platforms Dec 10 23:41:14 * mranostay hides Dec 10 23:41:47 that reminds me, I still haven't put the latest codesourcery-gcc on fate Dec 10 23:41:53 fate? Dec 10 23:42:04 fate.libav.org Dec 10 23:42:55 does it do perf tests? Dec 10 23:43:06 that looks pretty nifty Dec 10 23:43:14 Crofton|work: no Dec 10 23:43:19 Crofton|work: perhaps a page on elinux.org listing talks that would be useful? Dec 10 23:50:23 http://photo.neofob.org/excursions/Barcelona/110512/index.html Dec 10 23:50:38 a cross reference for ELC* talks could be interesting Dec 10 23:59:57 mranostay: now you know what my beagle tower is busy doing Dec 11 00:02:30 beagle tower? Dec 11 00:04:05 mranostay: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-44QiPNRIlHE/T5GJJTVe3SI/AAAAAAAABEk/oQ6iw7UeGuk/s0/ Dec 11 00:04:17 in the corner of the desk Dec 11 00:05:08 beagle beagle beagle beagle beagle PANDA PANDA Dec 11 00:05:29 oooh - that hdmi cable cantilevered out from the bottom beagle looks precarious. Dec 11 00:05:55 Russ: the bottom beagle is an xm Dec 11 00:06:02 and the bottom panda is an es Dec 11 00:06:24 emeb: the hdmi cable is just fine Dec 11 00:06:39 it's rather stiff and the bend is resting on something Dec 11 00:07:17 mru: this should be added to the #showyourworkbenchmonday thread on G+ Dec 11 00:07:20 mru: ah - missed that. so it's not just about to peel the connector off the board. Dec 11 00:07:29 nope Dec 11 00:07:35 I wouldn't do such a thing Dec 11 00:07:40 also, it's not there any more Dec 11 00:07:41 booo Dec 11 00:07:51 mru: you sure you don't work for Canonical? Dec 11 00:07:59 mranostay: totally Dec 11 00:08:08 there's no ubuntu anywhere in that picture Dec 11 00:08:59 it's so damn tidy Dec 11 00:09:16 you remember the beagleborg, right? https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Wn4smP9nZco/T5hJOYlWJ5I/AAAAAAAABGM/rCIiATAWvJA/s983/ Dec 11 00:09:23 it's that shiny desktop Dec 11 00:09:45 http://i.imgur.com/qGaGP.jpg <- yet another borg Dec 11 00:11:19 with messy bench in the background Dec 11 00:11:51 and the bulky stuff: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xVH3SWUTDSc/UH8oaAs9CwI/AAAAAAAACok/TXwY59Bipdo/s983/ Dec 11 00:12:26 is that the trash pile? Dec 11 00:12:33 Nurse - retrobrite, stat! Dec 11 00:12:37 they're all operable Dec 11 00:14:03 heh Dec 11 00:14:53 it's a while since I powered up the octane though Dec 11 00:15:06 can't be sure it hasn't rusted since Dec 11 00:15:54 btw, those machines are all different cpu architectures Dec 11 00:19:27 I wonder if you have to run them for a few minutes periodically, like an old car you keep in the garage. Dec 11 00:19:55 re-cap the supplies, replace the CMOS batteries, etc. Dec 11 00:22:36 heh Dec 11 00:57:55 is it me or did it get more #800080 in here? Dec 11 00:58:59 just you Dec 11 00:59:47 it's always #800080 while prpplague is here Dec 11 01:02:22 prpplague : howdy Dec 11 01:03:14 CareBear\: greetings Dec 11 01:12:30 hi Dec 11 01:12:55 Anyone knows what are the operating system that can be installed on beagle? Dec 11 01:14:17 I've only used linux and qnx Dec 11 01:14:33 I hear some people have run ubuntu too Dec 11 01:14:45 (Ubuntu *is* a Linux...) Dec 11 01:14:46 I see Dec 11 01:14:56 Jojoo: Anything that runs on ARM should work OK. Dec 11 01:14:59 can it run windows? Dec 11 01:15:03 Not yet. Dec 11 01:15:08 * mranostay wonders out Dec 11 01:15:13 aw so mostly linux Dec 11 01:15:14 Windows RT might run OK. Dec 11 01:15:15 agmlego: there is not a single mention of 'linux' on ubuntu.com Dec 11 01:15:27 mru: Even still. Dec 11 01:15:40 agmlego: I don't think ok is an accurate description of how winrt runs Dec 11 01:15:45 mru is just trolling you :) Dec 11 01:15:47 Here's what i found for beaglebone http://elinux.org/BeagleBone#BeagleBone_Operating_Systems Dec 11 01:16:20 Jojoo: That looks accurate. Dec 11 01:16:24 uh, those are all linux variants Dec 11 01:16:30 does all beagleboards runs the same os? Dec 11 01:16:53 they run whatever people put on them Dec 11 01:17:19 as I said, qnx works fine Dec 11 01:17:33 okay. btw can i have internet in the usb client of beaglebone? Dec 11 01:17:56 there's been some work on porting haiku to arm, no idea how complete Dec 11 01:18:13 Jojoo: Could you rephrase the question? Dec 11 01:18:14 same for plan9 Dec 11 01:18:23 I want to port android, please sir give me the exact steps Dec 11 01:18:52 well the usb client of beaglebone can be used to setup tcp/ip link right? Dec 11 01:19:01 thurbad: no, "my project is port android on beagle what are exact steps I must follow?" Dec 11 01:19:23 damn.... dind't even get the troll right :P Dec 11 01:19:56 trolling is not an exact step^W science Dec 11 01:20:14 since you can power, debug, send serial and even have internet using the usb client of beaglebone. Dec 11 01:20:22 Jojoo: Yes. Dec 11 01:20:45 not sure specifically about the bone, but you can do ethernet over usb on the other beagle variants.. mostly Dec 11 01:20:59 so no need to connect the internet cable to the rj45 port right? Dec 11 01:21:07 But it is much better for everyone involved if you use the ethernet port. Dec 11 01:21:23 Especially if you are trying to use this with a Windows host. Dec 11 01:21:34 you give up the other features of the port to do so Dec 11 01:21:36 (in my experience, your mileage may vary) Dec 11 01:22:16 okay thanks a lot for the info Dec 11 01:23:15 thurbad: you can run a composite gadget device with several functions Dec 11 01:23:52 at the same time? Dec 11 01:24:10 that's what composite means, no? Dec 11 01:24:24 there are probably limitations Dec 11 01:24:30 considering the usb on the beagles.... never know Dec 11 01:24:33 certainly they'd be sharing the bandwidth **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 11 03:00:00 2012