**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 13 02:59:58 2012 Dec 13 03:00:30 _troll_, bah, I see no problem with looking forward to the day when your own pet project is dominant Dec 13 03:00:59 _troll_, I'm sure the alsa developers looked forward to the day when they didn't have to work with OSS Dec 13 03:01:11 <_troll_> but this is different Dec 13 03:01:26 <_troll_> this like emacs devs looking forward to the day vim WILL NOT RUN Dec 13 03:01:42 well on the day that commit happens, fork Dec 13 03:01:54 <_troll_> then it will be too late Dec 13 03:02:07 <_troll_> it is already too late Dec 13 03:04:08 <_troll_> what would you say if pc manufacturers baked a windows kernel into the bios and made it impossible to run anything else? Dec 13 03:04:20 I wouldn't buy that pc Dec 13 03:04:25 but I'd buy the previous version Dec 13 03:04:33 <_troll_> you can't Dec 13 03:04:44 that's the good thing about source, you can Dec 13 03:04:51 <_troll_> well, not really Dec 13 03:05:01 licensing? Dec 13 03:05:03 <_troll_> not if you want support for recent hardware etc Dec 13 03:05:18 <_troll_> and security fixes Dec 13 03:05:32 <_troll_> of course you can run a 10 year old system with 10 year old software Dec 13 03:05:33 it's only been one day in the hypothetical situation Dec 13 03:05:42 <_troll_> uh? Dec 13 03:06:08 hypothetically, I wake up, and there was a systemd commit that made it impossible to run udevd without systemd Dec 13 03:06:18 I start a fork from yesterdays version Dec 13 03:06:24 <_troll_> we have the most annoying person since jörg schilling trying to fuck up every linux system from the inside Dec 13 03:06:45 <_troll_> Russ: then you get publicly ridiculed until you give up Dec 13 03:06:52 <_troll_> that's IS ALREADY HAPPENING Dec 13 03:07:14 no it's not, people who have forked a version of udevd that works fine without systemd are being ridiculed Dec 13 03:07:40 <_troll_> but it doesn't work fine Dec 13 03:07:55 <_troll_> you can't even build it standalone Dec 13 03:08:12 what problem does 196 have? Dec 13 03:08:15 <_troll_> it's too bad the ones forking are rather inexerienced at software development Dec 13 03:08:20 I just did build 196 Dec 13 03:08:28 I see a systemd binary, and a udevd binary Dec 13 03:08:28 <_troll_> but that's no cause to ridicule the VERY NOTION of forking Dec 13 03:08:33 systemd is a radical change and if udevd is going to force us to go to systemd going forward then it will be not so much fun... Dec 13 03:08:44 <_troll_> try building it without having glib and dbus and other monstrosities around Dec 13 03:08:56 why does my built udevd binary depend on systemd? Dec 13 03:09:16 my udevd binary doesn't depend on glib or dbus Dec 13 03:09:20 <_troll_> they've been slowly moving features from udev to systemd Dec 13 03:09:32 <_troll_> Russ: no, but BUILDING IT does Dec 13 03:09:45 <_troll_> the configure script bails out if it can't find ALL the deps Dec 13 03:10:07 of course 150m exceeds the Ethernet spec for Cat 5e but who's counting Dec 13 03:11:12 well, the build needs a lot of other large packages too Dec 13 03:11:33 <_troll_> that is cause enough to fork it Dec 13 03:11:40 like autoconf Dec 13 03:11:43 automake Dec 13 03:11:43 <_troll_> such a vital component should need nothing more than libc Dec 13 03:12:32 <_troll_> an OPTIONAL dependency on libkmod would be acceptable Dec 13 03:12:50 why is libkmod such a big deal? Dec 13 03:12:51 <_troll_> but most of my systems don't have modules AT ALL Dec 13 03:13:11 <_troll_> it's about building crap you don't need Dec 13 03:13:15 '--disable-kmod disable loadable modules support' Dec 13 03:13:17 you are good there Dec 13 03:13:55 <_troll_> hmm, what are the gentoo guys fussing about then? Dec 13 03:14:15 I think they want a --make-modprobe-work-like-it-used-to Dec 13 03:14:23 they want to use the old modprobe binary with fork/exec Dec 13 03:15:01 <_troll_> if that works in some situation where kmod doesn't, it means kmod is not mature enough to force on the world yet Dec 13 03:15:15 I'm not sure what any of those situations would be Dec 13 03:15:27 <_troll_> note that I have used kmod on systems with separate /usr Dec 13 03:15:38 <_troll_> didn't have any problems with that Dec 13 03:16:07 I think they are having difficultly with that for some reason, ubuntu has it configured to work properly on a /usr split though, so I don't know what their problem is Dec 13 03:16:08 <_troll_> but only because I was aware beforehand and made the necessary tweaks Dec 13 03:16:31 Russ : there is no problem, besides fear of upstream Dec 13 03:16:36 I understand that dbus and libglib2.0 are a bit onerous build deps, but they aren't runtime deps Dec 13 03:16:45 and they aren't that horrible of a dep Dec 13 03:16:51 <_troll_> I don't want dbus anywhere NEAR my systems Dec 13 03:16:55 not worth forking anyway Dec 13 03:17:10 I want kernel dbus Dec 13 03:17:18 libdbus isn't going to magically jump up and do things all on its own Dec 13 03:17:29 <_troll_> I don't trust it Dec 13 03:17:29 and it isn't a runtime dep Dec 13 03:17:34 <_troll_> I don't trust devs that use it Dec 13 03:18:17 <_troll_> think of it as your daughter dating a biker Dec 13 03:18:30 so the real problem is that the head developer uses dbus in one of his projects and so you won't use any of his software Dec 13 03:18:54 <_troll_> no, the problem is that I don't trust dbus in any way whatsoever Dec 13 03:18:57 * Russ thinks lennart needs to come up with a pen name Dec 13 03:19:06 Russ : oh long ago Dec 13 03:19:14 _troll_, but udevd 196 doesn't use dbus Dec 13 03:19:17 or link against it Dec 13 03:19:21 <_troll_> I never said it did Dec 13 03:19:35 <_troll_> but to BUILD recent udev it has to be installed Dec 13 03:19:44 only the library, not the daemon Dec 13 03:19:46 <_troll_> which means that SOMETHING ELSE might pick it up and link to it Dec 13 03:20:07 then put it in a ~/opt/dbus Dec 13 03:21:48 <_troll_> no can do Dec 13 03:21:53 ? Dec 13 03:22:09 <_troll_> somewhere a line must be drawn which we will not cross Dec 13 03:22:47 yes, because being flexible is too easy and saves too much time Dec 13 03:23:09 see, now it's just sounding luddite Dec 13 03:23:14 <_troll_> for fucks sake... are you in on the conspiracy too? Dec 13 03:23:38 haven't you figured it out yet? Dec 13 03:23:44 everyone is, but you Dec 13 03:23:48 <_troll_> I thought someone doing bios replacements would appreciate the need for simplicity Dec 13 03:23:56 here come the cameras now for the great reveal Dec 13 03:24:17 heh Dec 13 03:24:29 cut and scene Dec 13 03:29:48 new infrastructure is like this: always worse than its fanboys would have you believe, and always better than the doomsdayers and fudders would have you believe :) Dec 13 03:30:23 define new Dec 13 03:30:53 it is often hard to extract a reasoned perspective from the discussions about Dec 13 03:31:14 only when discussees do not use reason Dec 13 03:31:27 but amongst humans, that's excessively common Dec 13 03:32:06 in my experience it has been rather uncommon in open source Dec 13 03:32:21 I am seeing it more and more often though Dec 13 03:32:33 either I move to other parts of open source, or times have changed Dec 13 03:35:01 http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html Dec 13 03:35:01 cool, schilling reference..I miss him Dec 13 03:35:08 this says it all :P Dec 13 03:36:04 ka6sox : I disagree.. Lennart just says what he wants to happen Dec 13 03:36:11 ka6sox : who cares about that.. Dec 13 03:36:17 ka6sox : there is still no problem Dec 13 03:36:33 if you say so. Dec 13 03:36:42 i'm sure linus will rant and rage and force something to be done about it if it becomes impossible to use linux without systemd Dec 13 03:37:00 why would that ever be the case? Dec 13 03:37:19 linux starts /sbin/init, regardless of what that may be Dec 13 03:38:02 because he seems to care about making linux accessible to the widest range of use cases possible, especially about not breaking existing ones Dec 13 03:38:19 you misunderstand Dec 13 03:38:27 why would it ever be the case that linux can not run without systemd Dec 13 03:39:13 all the fuss is just fear of lennart Dec 13 03:39:19 there is no problem Dec 13 03:39:30 i think you're generalising a bit too much Dec 13 03:39:54 nobody wants to go back to a pre-udev /dev Dec 13 03:40:05 let him do what he wants, and *if* there is a problem in the future *then* do something Dec 13 03:40:26 at that point I would suggest to join upstream Dec 13 03:40:38 yep thats my approach (waiting to see if there's a problem) Dec 13 03:41:08 but meanwhile you're also making it sound like there is already a problem Dec 13 03:41:21 at least just now Dec 13 03:41:27 but maybe that's just playing devil's advocate Dec 13 03:45:57 my intention was more to point out that extreme positions (yes that must be adopted yesterday for 100% of tasks, no i will never use that because i dont like x) tend not to be rational because they ignore valid arguments or dismiss them as fud Dec 13 03:46:42 unfortunately those with the strongest opinions are often the loudest Dec 13 03:47:03 this is a problem relevant to all of human endeavour, not just software :) Dec 13 03:49:24 is anybody using 8192cu-based wifi cards? Dec 13 03:49:45 Nope. Nobody on the face of the planet uses those. Dec 13 03:49:54 having some serious stability issues-- kernel panics and the like-- and was wondering if anybody had any luck with them Dec 13 03:50:19 what is the latest beagleboard-xm? how can you tell it's the latest? Dec 13 03:50:57 agmlego: I'm assuming you're using one then? ;] Dec 13 03:51:13 sh1v: Absolutely not. Dec 13 03:51:26 sh1v: I run only Intel wireless chipsets. Dec 13 03:51:46 Because they work, they are well-supported, they never fail, and they just. fucking. work. Dec 13 03:51:47 http://www.ebay.com/itm/BeagleBoard-BB-XM-00-Rev-C-Development-Platform-/390457645985?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ae916dba1 Dec 13 03:51:49 these cheap wifi dongles are hell on earth Dec 13 03:51:54 is that the latest beagleboard-xm? Dec 13 03:52:10 good thing we have a thousand of them :| Dec 13 03:52:43 and what is beagleboard-BB-XM-00-Rev-C? Dec 13 03:52:47 what is 00 there? Dec 13 03:53:08 Jojoo_ : doesn't the wiki have all the hardware revision info? Dec 13 03:53:25 nope it's not mentioned there. Dec 13 03:53:27 agmlego : my ipw3945 isn't very good at all Dec 13 03:53:32 it is Dec 13 03:53:52 aw will look at it again. Dec 13 03:54:02 CareBear\: I...fell for you, man? Dec 13 03:55:25 agmlego : just saying, they aren't great Dec 13 03:55:39 agmlego : the ipw2200 was also no superstar Dec 13 03:56:01 Jojoo_ : http://www.google.com/search?q=beagleboard+hardware+revisions first hit is a page full of hardware revision information Dec 13 03:56:05 Jojoo_ : how can you not find that? Dec 13 03:56:28 CareBear\: OK, shall I modify my statement to indicate that the cards I use are all iwlagn cards? Dec 13 03:57:01 agmlego : might be wise. do you use wpa_supplicant with them? Dec 13 03:57:17 Probably at some level, yes. Dec 13 03:57:26 I use WICD to configure them. Dec 13 03:57:49 So, yes, likely there is wpa_supplicant involved when I am on a secure network. Dec 13 03:57:50 hm, isn't that the opposite of wpa_supplicant, so to say? Dec 13 03:57:55 ...no? Dec 13 03:57:59 no? Dec 13 03:58:16 oh, it's the opposite of network-manager Dec 13 03:58:23 How would it be? Dec 13 03:58:29 Ah. Dec 13 03:59:21 Jojoo_ : then there's of course also http://beagleboard.org/hardware/design Dec 13 03:59:36 Jojoo_ : where you have every SRM for every hardware revision Dec 13 03:59:51 Jojoo_ : (the SRM contains list of changes for each rev) Dec 13 04:00:07 Jojoo_ : that page is the second hit in that google search Dec 13 04:00:10 I don't know.. Dec 13 04:02:24 Thanks carebear Dec 13 04:07:21 you're welcome Dec 13 04:17:45 Is it c or a the latest revision? Dec 13 04:18:42 for beagleboard-xm Dec 13 04:26:03 stupid question, but how do I get my hands on the source for an older kernel? Dec 13 04:26:14 particularly interested in 3.2.18-psp14 Dec 13 04:27:12 kernel.org is hard to navigate Dec 13 04:35:46 what is psp14? Dec 13 04:36:17 anyway, I don't think you will find that at kernel.org Dec 13 04:36:30 i managed to nab it via their FTP :) Dec 13 04:36:37 but yeh, don't know about this PSP business Dec 13 04:36:46 apparently it's TI's "platform support package" Dec 13 04:36:50 whatever the hell that means Dec 13 04:37:00 so then you will need to get the kernel from TI Dec 13 04:53:07 hi Dec 13 04:53:54 Can anybody help me to bring up the Beagle board xM with android Xm Dec 13 05:39:58 * mranostay moos Dec 13 05:42:09 +f Dec 13 05:45:22 who let the cows out... who... who... Dec 13 05:45:36 wow that is an oldie Dec 13 05:45:49 with a bovine spin Dec 13 05:46:19 maybe old to you Dec 13 05:46:24 * emeb_mac shakes cane Dec 13 05:47:05 2000 i was a freshman in HS :P Dec 13 05:48:19 2000 I'd been out of college for 15 years Dec 13 05:48:44 * emeb_mac is a fossil Dec 13 05:49:38 last night I outside and the owls were going back and forth Dec 13 05:49:40 this channel certainly runs the gambit of ages Dec 13 05:49:42 who who who who Dec 13 05:49:49 and the who who wh-MOOOOOO Dec 13 05:49:55 cow shut them up good Dec 13 05:50:03 Russ: are you a dork? :) Dec 13 05:50:08 yes, thank you Dec 13 05:50:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCf-oiIbVnw Dec 13 05:52:09 wtf did i just watch? Dec 13 05:52:39 some David Lynch film? Dec 13 05:52:49 Twin Peaks Dec 13 05:53:13 You were probably in 4th grade when that came out. :) Dec 13 05:53:30 wow never watched the series i guessed that Dec 13 05:53:37 good guess Dec 13 05:54:05 has he made one 'normal' movie or show? Dec 13 05:54:30 David Lynch is orthogonal to normal. Dec 13 05:54:51 so the pandaboard has a M3 core right? Dec 13 05:54:53 whoa - getting all geometrical there. Dec 13 05:55:55 I wonder how many different ARM cores there are in that SoC. Dec 13 05:56:39 including the ones that aren't publicly documented, like the one one the C64x in the Beagleboard. Dec 13 06:19:30 more than we ever want to know Dec 13 06:35:28 anyone heard of ARM Trustzone? Dec 13 06:43:01 wonder if mru's ears are burning ;D Dec 13 06:45:28 yeah i was hoping he was here Dec 13 06:49:58 morning woglinde Dec 13 06:50:50 yeah some xyz company's recuiter wants my resume fits ARM security.. Dec 13 06:51:42 _av500_: poke poke Dec 13 07:16:31 * mranostay does the wooden shoe dance for koen over here Dec 13 07:17:14 help me to get best Android ICS source code to port on Beagle board Xm. I am using http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/ICSonBeagleboard link currenlty which am getting kernel issues. Dec 13 07:19:45 yay!!111!eleventy!! Android porting again! Dec 13 07:19:48 heh Dec 13 07:19:59 * mranostay opens another beer Dec 13 07:20:52 mmmmm ^M's in this source file Dec 13 07:24:51 I am not able to figure out why I can't output to my beagletouch Dec 13 07:25:00 my console output works fine Dec 13 07:25:09 and the beagletouch is connected to a console Dec 13 07:25:23 is there some activity log that i can look at? Dec 13 07:25:50 to see if the systems can even see that there is a beagle touch connected to it? Dec 13 07:28:48 the console loads up the angstrom, but i don't know why the beagletouch doesn't show anything Dec 13 07:32:19 porting ice cream sandwiches can be interesting Dec 13 07:32:36 I'd suggest a die grinder, with a fine blade in a very cold environment Dec 13 07:32:37 mmmm good idea ds2 Dec 13 07:32:58 OTH, I donno why someone would want to port it though Dec 13 07:34:39 most people prefer to port intakes and exhaust Dec 13 07:35:02 but I suppose, ice cream is good practice material if not messy Dec 13 07:35:16 mmmmm... ice cream... Dec 13 07:36:32 i wish the musb driver would shutup and not spam dmesg.. Dec 13 07:36:56 * mranostay curses his former employer's IP block Dec 13 07:37:01 and i wish the musb driver would just work Dec 13 07:37:03 ;) Dec 13 07:37:44 every sincel F'ing implementation has its own quirks combine that with ever F'ing version that introduces new bugs.... Dec 13 07:38:08 blame Mentor that is my cop out Dec 13 07:38:27 although i'd didn't work in that division Dec 13 07:40:26 u were a acquisition,weren't u? Dec 13 07:40:50 please give me solution for following kernel issue: Dec 13 07:41:50 42 Dec 13 07:41:56 ds2: yes :) Dec 13 07:42:27 mranostay: bought and sold like chattel :) Dec 13 07:42:41 <6>Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled <1>Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xd806a000 <1>Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xd806a000 Internal error: : 1028 #1 Internal error: : 1028 #1 Modules linked in:Modules linked in: CPU: 0 Not tainted (2.6.29-rc3-omap1-gb7a2014-dirty #2) CPU: 0 Not tainted (2.6.29-rc3-omap1-gb7a2014-dirty #2) Dec 13 07:43:17 can u please tell me the solution for above issue Dec 13 07:43:55 the problem is? Dec 13 07:45:15 holy shit 2.6.29-rc1 Dec 13 07:45:28 rc3 even Dec 13 07:45:33 ups Dec 13 07:45:35 yes Dec 13 07:45:39 and omap1 Dec 13 07:45:42 and it's dirrrrrrrrrrrrrty Dec 13 07:45:45 wonder which device it is Dec 13 07:45:52 woglinde: 'omap1' is just the tag Dec 13 07:45:57 koen: ain't that one of your old turds? ;) Dec 13 07:45:58 that's how linux-omap is versioned Dec 13 07:45:58 okay Dec 13 07:45:59 does that have one of those 'historical marker' plaques on it? Dec 13 07:46:17 ds2: not likely, I don't release rcX stuff Dec 13 07:46:46 especially not early rc stuff like rc3 Dec 13 07:46:54 hm its time for my second round of sleep Dec 13 07:47:11 till later Dec 13 08:28:36 the problem is? Dec 13 08:28:58 ka6sox: is emerald down? Dec 13 08:29:05 I have build kernel from http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/ICSonBeagleboard link Dec 13 08:29:14 the issue is Dec 13 08:29:30 Code: Code: e24cb004 e24cb004 e5d0201d e5d0201d e5903004 e5903004 e1a02211 e1a02211 (e7d30002) (e7d30002) <4>---end trace 9630bd7ba60eb660 --- <4>---end trace 9630bd7ba60eb660 --- <0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! Dec 13 08:29:39 due to <6>Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled <1>Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xd806a000 <1>Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xd806a000 Internal error: : 1028 #1 Internal error: : 1028 #1 Modules linked in:Modules linked in: Dec 13 08:46:05 koen, yes...let me kick it\ Dec 13 08:58:10 koen, its rebuilding the RAID...95% done...should be up shortly Dec 13 09:00:32 gm Dec 13 10:40:31 could u pls tell me the solution for the below error....itz produced while booting the kerenel Dec 13 10:40:58 <6>io scheduler cfq registered <6>io scheduler cfq registered <6>Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled <6>Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled <1>Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xd806a000 <1>Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xd806a000 Internal error: : 1028 [#1] Internal error: : 1028 [#1] Modules linked in:Modules linked in: CPU: 0 Dec 13 10:41:08 after this Dec 13 10:41:33 at the end log is - <4>---[ end trace 9630bd7ba60eb660 ]--- <4>---[ end trace 9630bd7ba60eb660 ]--- <0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! Dec 13 10:45:46 *sigh* Dec 13 11:26:12 how do I set a MAC address on the mainline beaglebone kernel, can I do it through a u-boot parameter? Dec 13 11:26:36 I know it's temorary and a stand-off is on-going about how it should be done, but in the meantime... Dec 13 11:26:40 ethaddr or usbethaddr (can't remember which) in u-boot Dec 13 11:27:00 will need to pass a kernel command line parameter to make the kernel use too IIRC Dec 13 11:27:13 although it depends on the kernel Dec 13 11:27:36 there is a h/w mac address, but not all kernels use it Dec 13 11:27:58 err, bone = !usbethaddr Dec 13 11:28:08 sorry (thought it was beagleboard) Dec 13 11:31:16 panto: ok, thanks I will look into it Dec 13 12:06:12 dvance_: I'd like to talk Xenomai on the bb with you Dec 13 13:16:50 are 4GB disk space nowadays enough for a kernel build? Dec 13 13:24:49 yes Dec 13 13:25:31 \o/ Dec 13 13:25:41 why you are asking? Dec 13 13:27:23 if my throwaway sticks are still large enough to compile on them on my small scale machines :) Dec 13 16:45:48 morning trolls Dec 13 16:46:07 bleh Dec 13 16:46:56 call with .in ... mourning! Dec 13 16:46:56 blarg Dec 13 16:47:20 mranostay, exact steps was involved, surprised? Dec 13 17:15:59 humbug! Dec 13 17:16:00 mdp: it is after noon you at least drinking on the call? Dec 13 17:17:45 very nearly Dec 13 17:20:39 Feirond! Dec 13 17:25:20 hobbit? Dec 13 17:25:41 48 hobbits per second? Dec 13 17:26:21 576 dwarves per second? Dec 13 17:27:37 where are my dragons? Dec 13 17:27:51 Thar be Dragons? Dec 13 17:28:40 from the North! Dec 13 17:29:40 no from the east Dec 13 17:32:34 they're all over the fscking place Dec 13 17:33:32 the dragon has three heads? Dec 13 17:34:21 the heads are full of stars Dec 13 17:36:59 * Russ prepares another paste of a panic from 2.6.29-omap1-rc3 Dec 13 17:47:33 * mdp boggles Dec 13 17:50:13 heh Dec 13 17:58:52 Hi, I'm french student, and i need help with my beagleboard C4 Dec 13 17:59:12 Hi Dec 13 18:00:01 I update MLO and u-boot, but i had a problem during update and now, my bb don't boot :( Dec 13 18:00:34 Does it show anything at the console? Dec 13 18:02:01 The thing is MLO has to be written first, so, how did you perform the update? As overwriting the files might create new entries in the file system, causing MLO not being the first file anymore. Dec 13 18:02:41 I have nothing more on the console... Dec 13 18:02:44 Therefore, format the FAT boot partition again, and only then copy the files over, MLO first (don't forget to back up your other files like the kernel etc) Dec 13 18:07:05 AndrevS, I think you are thinking of XM Dec 13 18:07:50 http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleNANDFlashing Dec 13 18:09:49 Garfield_: did you update MLO on NAND or SD? Dec 13 18:09:53 Garfield_, can you give more details? Dec 13 18:10:23 I update MLO on NAND Dec 13 18:11:02 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery Dec 13 18:11:35 have you tried booting from MMC (user button?) Dec 13 18:16:08 I have tried booting from mmc, but i have the identical result Dec 13 18:17:02 if you hold down the user button on power up, and don't see 40T, it isn't an update issue Dec 13 18:19:10 ho... Dec 13 18:19:37 are you connected to the serial port? Dec 13 18:20:51 yes, and used GKTerm (on ubuntu) Dec 13 18:21:12 so you have power to the board off, you hold down the user button, and then plug power in, right? Dec 13 18:22:06 where is the head troll at? Dec 13 18:22:14 I think it was hold user, hold reset, releaase reset, release user Dec 13 18:22:25 mranostay, did you look under the bridge? Dec 13 18:22:50 what are the chances i pick the right on? Dec 13 18:22:51 *one Dec 13 18:23:04 more likely to find Crofton|work under one in this area :) Dec 13 18:28:31 Russ, Yes, but, i have on the console a special caracter Dec 13 18:29:05 are you set to 115200n8? Dec 13 18:30:25 Baud Rate 115200, Parity none, Bits 8, Stopbits 1, Flow controle none Dec 13 18:31:31 is anything plugged into USB? Dec 13 18:32:21 you don't see the 40 at startup? Dec 13 18:34:19 no, they are juste power and serial Dec 13 18:34:36 have you tried closing your terminal program and re-opening it? Dec 13 18:35:39 yes Dec 13 19:20:03 Russ: you sound like the helpdesk Dec 13 19:21:40 mranostay, I'm pretty sure it's sending ...40T..., but something in his serial setup is not working right Dec 13 19:30:27 16:18 < dwalsh> http://rcn-ee.net/deb/sid-armhf/v3.7.0-bone2/ Dec 13 19:30:27 16:19 < dwalsh> ^ unstable and purely testing branch to see what mainline support has been added to the linux kernel Dec 13 19:30:30 16:19 < dwalsh> for the beaglebone/am335x Dec 13 19:30:41 ah Dec 13 19:30:46 * dwalsh_ pasted to wrong channel :s Dec 13 19:31:01 * mranostay publicly shames dwalsh_ Dec 13 19:53:14 Hola Dec 13 19:53:48 so i made my inline asm work with mfpu=neon but with mfpu=vfp it doesnt seem to want to take %P0 and %P1 .. Dec 13 19:54:01 or is it the =w and w? Dec 13 19:54:35 anyone here with any ideas ? Dec 13 20:01:03 with mfpu=neon it easely takes %P0 and %P1 into something like vsqrts.f32 %P0 %P1 : "=w"(output) : "w"(input) Dec 13 20:01:20 but with mfp=vfpv3 i get invalid operand for code P Dec 13 20:09:13 wishes for some help ;) Dec 13 20:13:22 unsolo_wrk wait for mru Dec 13 20:14:36 * LetoThe2nd hates codesourcery. right here, right now. Dec 13 20:14:48 haha Dec 13 20:20:31 leto the toolchain, the company or the workers? Dec 13 20:22:15 woglinde: the toolchain. Dec 13 20:24:09 Russ, if i boot my bb with MMC, and MLO file, i have on console "Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.2 (Feb 19 2009 - 12:01:24) Reading boot sector Error: reading boot sector Loading u-boot.bin from nand" Dec 13 20:24:39 and nothing Dec 13 20:25:52 no u-boot in nand then Dec 13 20:27:50 ok, but, how install u-boot in nand? Dec 13 20:28:09 do you also have u-boot.bin on the MMC ? Dec 13 20:28:22 you need sd card with everything on it Dec 13 20:29:50 on my card, they are MLO, u-boot.bin and x-load.bin.ift Dec 13 20:36:54 did you have solution for me? :s Dec 13 20:43:38 Garfield_ uhm 2009 Dec 13 20:43:42 thats old Dec 13 20:43:48 use a newer MLO Dec 13 20:44:12 garfield try it with all from here Dec 13 20:44:14 http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ Dec 13 20:48:00 ok, thank you! i download a new MLO and u-boot.img file, and now it's good :) Dec 13 20:48:11 yay Dec 13 20:48:22 now, i want install u-boot on NAND >_< Dec 13 20:49:55 I think i have found Dec 13 20:55:04 mru you on ? Dec 13 21:00:02 the barmaid might have him Dec 13 21:03:47 hehe Dec 13 21:09:50 any reason angstrom uses gcc 4.5 prerelease rather than the latest, stable, 4.7? Dec 13 21:10:52 latest and stable. pick one :) Dec 13 21:11:24 ...you suggesting a 4.5 *prerelease* is more stable than a 4.7 final release??? Dec 13 21:12:28 the internal compilers errors i'm running into with 4.5,which have been fixed in later versions, seem to suggest otherwise. Dec 13 21:19:12 sorry, i have a new problem... :( Dec 13 21:20:24 now, I boot my bb on the MMC, with MLO, u-boot.img and x-load.bin.ift, I have on the console Dec 13 21:20:33 U-Boot SPL 2011.12-00010-ga3eb89c (Jan 29 2012 - 14:53:43) Texas Instruments Revision detection unimplemented Error: Bad compare! failed Dec 13 21:27:16 Garfield_, non-issue Dec 13 21:30:01 it just means that you have some un-programmed nand Dec 13 21:30:12 or your nand is programmed with a different ecc than it is expecting Dec 13 21:36:06 mranostay, http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/131 Dec 13 21:37:18 hm wonder if I have an entry too Dec 13 21:37:21 mru u here ? Dec 13 21:37:33 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/woglinde Dec 13 21:37:35 this inline asm thing is driving me crazy Dec 13 21:37:55 * mdp notes Russ advertising the new search feature ;) Dec 13 21:38:47 haha Dec 13 21:38:58 thanks Dec 13 21:40:16 ok i give up for today cya Dec 13 21:40:35 gn unsolo Dec 13 21:53:55 pandakoen, indeed Dec 13 21:54:16 hehe Dec 13 21:54:44 mdp: should we rent a panda costume for koen to wear at ELC? Dec 13 21:54:51 I'm in! Dec 13 21:55:30 btw, we have fresh meat from "my TI" going to be thereâ€¦we should plan some insidious forms of torture for them. Dec 13 21:56:13 hehe Dec 13 21:56:24 I hope for a bountiful harvest of Tizen stickers Dec 13 21:56:31 any idea of beagleboard and/or TI is sponsoring any ELC stuff? Dec 13 21:56:33 hehe Dec 13 21:56:45 prpplague: poke clint Dec 13 21:56:46 prpplague: you know that's impossible to predict Dec 13 21:57:14 prpplague: look at the vague response from jkridner even on the beagleboard g+ community in that one thread Dec 13 21:57:33 mdp: oh i must have missed that Dec 13 21:57:37 mdp: url? Dec 13 21:57:47 * prpplague goes to search Dec 13 21:59:14 https://plus.google.com/u/1/107371796168113837598/posts/d2LN4atfbSL Dec 13 21:59:28 I just mean that even he says it'll take some time for the dust to settle Dec 13 22:00:08 my only desire is to counter the constant stream of lies or half-truths about the end of OMAP :) Dec 13 22:00:24 totally Dec 13 22:01:46 ok, I have other desires Dec 13 22:02:00 somebody should by me one of those 65% ABV beers Dec 13 22:02:04 s/by/buy/ Dec 13 22:02:18 I will then provide hours of good company Dec 13 22:02:26 sink the bismark? Dec 13 22:02:44 this is the problem with today's "press"...nobody bothers to factcheck what is being put out as "news" Dec 13 22:03:24 koen, have you been traveling today? Dec 13 22:03:56 Crofton|work: yes Dec 13 22:04:19 that would explain all the notifications from chrome reporting you in different towns then Dec 13 22:04:24 :) Dec 13 22:04:41 my old boss at the uni retired after 43 years Dec 13 22:04:47 ah cool Dec 13 22:04:49 party? Dec 13 22:04:57 yes Dec 13 22:05:08 although I had to cut it short for a conference call Dec 13 22:05:11 but such is life Dec 13 22:05:40 social calendar is filled with dinner dates with people we ran into tonight Dec 13 22:05:52 "Clint! Can't talk, at a party!" Dec 13 22:07:08 ka6sox: it's been a bit of an annoyance to me lately..and not just TI..also the misinformation about FSL and i.mx7 somehow killing there entire product line ;) Dec 13 22:07:09 9pm nicely coincided with my 3 beer limit Dec 13 22:07:20 and the 1h drive was enough to get me sober Dec 13 22:07:28 so in the end it worked out great Dec 13 22:07:51