**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 09 02:59:59 2013 Jan 09 03:40:00 http://lifehacker.com/5974087/i-raised-my-kids-on-the-command-lineand-they-love-it Jan 09 03:45:07 hard to tell if that's good or bad... Jan 09 03:57:09 n the day it was a skill... today it can be a hinderance if used religiously Jan 09 03:58:30 it's like insisting to use a 386 today because that's what hardcore was 25 years ago Jan 09 05:05:08 prpplague: yo Jan 09 05:05:56 * prpplague makes note to turn of audio events before trying to go to bed Jan 09 05:06:03 mranostay: you rang? Jan 09 05:06:54 prpplague: you going to be free to grab a beer in the valley this week? Jan 09 05:07:34 mranostay: negative, i was hoping to have some free time, but i am going to be solid booked and taking a red-eye back Jan 09 05:07:37 mranostay: sorry Jan 09 05:08:05 ah no problems just wanted to check Jan 09 05:08:33 yea the planning of the trip didn't turn out as planned, a couple of the HR folks were very late to providing schedules :( Jan 09 05:09:14 * prpplague wanders off Jan 09 05:10:50 * mranostay prints out apartments to look at this weekend Jan 09 05:12:46 * mranostay fistbumps Crofton Jan 09 05:14:29 w00t Jan 09 05:21:19 crap i just noticed i have to give notice by Jan 29th if i want to move Jan 09 05:26:10 Crofton: hey the next time you're in Mountain View we should grab a drink on Castro Jan 09 05:27:36 I had a 60 day notice on my lease.... Jan 09 05:28:11 I barely know whatI'm doing a day out :P Jan 09 05:29:09 thurbad: one place said it was 60 days. but it 30 days on the contract :) Jan 09 05:29:24 written > verbal Jan 09 05:30:06 i need to drop my rent by $400 to keep sane and live in a 'better place' Jan 09 05:31:57 I'm going up for a similar space but a 5 minute drive instead of 40 minutes Jan 09 05:32:21 40 minutes to go 10 miles here :) Jan 09 05:32:43 similar here... that 40 minutes is less than 15 miles Jan 09 05:33:04 my car says my avg mph is under 25 Jan 09 05:33:23 mranostay: Im in Campbell at the moment BTW :-D Jan 09 05:33:26 294 sq ft apartment... geez that is even small for me Jan 09 05:33:49 blech San Jose too Jan 09 05:34:04 wow that is small, does that include a bathroom and kitchenette? Jan 09 05:34:09 here until FOSDEM Jan 09 05:34:09 XorA: have we met in real life? Jan 09 05:34:19 * mranostay can't recall Jan 09 05:34:32 mranostay: I suspect not Jan 09 05:35:22 * XorA isnt over this way that often Jan 09 05:35:28 "Contact community for restrictions." under Cat header Jan 09 05:35:40 pit bull cats exist? Jan 09 05:36:01 heh Jan 09 05:36:40 I can haz whatever I want Jan 09 05:39:46 Crofton: whats the OE hotel of choice these days for FOSDEM? Jan 09 05:40:51 XorA, ahh, cool, you'll be at fosdem... I'll see you there Jan 09 05:41:00 robclark: awesome Jan 09 05:41:36 robclark: you coming to ELC by chance as well? Jan 09 05:42:03 I don't think ELC... I'm blowing my freq-flyer miles for fosdem Jan 09 05:42:11 ah Jan 09 05:44:32 mythos: howdy my favorite greek beer Jan 09 05:45:36 XorA, are you over here? Jan 09 05:46:59 XorA: damn TSA lets anyone over these days Jan 09 05:47:01 :) Jan 09 05:47:45 they'll let you fly they just want to cop a feel first Jan 09 05:50:00 not real cops Jan 09 05:50:07 but the border guards are Jan 09 05:52:42 ka6sox: ah yes, totally forgot to tell you Jan 09 05:52:55 ka6sox: here until 30th Jan 09 05:52:56 d0h! Jan 09 05:52:59 border guards always want to catch musicians with drugs so they can get free concerts Jan 09 05:54:05 XorA: want to get a beer with a random irc dude between then :P Jan 09 05:54:19 mranostay: never so no to beers :-D Jan 09 06:02:29 damn right :) Jan 09 06:04:44 XorA, just 1 for him however.... Jan 09 06:05:43 its always too far to stagger home around this place :-( Jan 09 06:06:03 0.08 BAC ftw! Jan 09 06:09:50 XorA: you on G+? :) Jan 09 06:10:01 mranostay: I have no idea how many USA pints that equals :-( Jan 09 06:10:07 mranostay: yes "Graeme Gregory" Jan 09 06:10:32 yeah i stalked you with whois :) Jan 09 06:10:40 well whois on your domain Jan 09 06:11:03 XorA: well it is one drink per hour they sau Jan 09 06:11:05 *say Jan 09 06:11:24 mranostay: ah same as Uk then Jan 09 06:11:44 XorA: well i doubt you have it as high Jan 09 06:12:07 2 pints puts you approx on UK limit Jan 09 06:12:16 depending on weight Jan 09 06:12:22 etc etc Jan 09 06:12:31 yeah 2 at limit and 1 burns off an hour Jan 09 06:13:56 0.08 in UK too Jan 09 06:14:09 although Scotland is soon dropping to 0.05 I think Jan 09 06:14:16 that is high for europe Jan 09 06:14:33 yes, why Scotland is planning to drop Jan 09 06:14:36 i've driven drunk a lot if you use most EU countries limits Jan 09 06:15:09 like 0.03 in Greece iirc Jan 09 06:15:31 geez, I think some people may have 0.03 just from natural alcohols produced by their own metabolism Jan 09 06:15:57 from my experience, south europe there is no enforcement though, so the limit is a bit of fiction Jan 09 06:17:54 XorA: used to be 0.1 in all states Jan 09 06:18:13 which honestly you should know you can't drive at that point :) Jan 09 06:18:49 :-) Jan 09 06:19:02 hurry google and get those self driving beer wagons working Jan 09 06:19:11 heh Jan 09 06:19:25 i wish caltrain ran late :) Jan 09 06:19:42 go up to SF to drink would be awesome Jan 09 06:19:53 heh, its worse in France where I spend a lot of time, public transport stops at 7pm Jan 09 06:20:08 damn French Jan 09 06:20:12 drunk people on paris metro... Jan 09 06:20:14 those people are fun Jan 09 06:20:23 especially with those seats that flip up when you get up Jan 09 06:20:28 hehehehe Jan 09 06:20:36 i want to live in Europe for some time but France is my last choice :) Jan 09 06:21:06 like Bulgaria would be higher on the list :) Jan 09 06:22:27 Bulgaria sounds nice...in the Spring. Jan 09 06:23:02 i haven't met any nice French people Jan 09 06:23:26 although there some nice French Swiss girls when I was on Paros :) Jan 09 06:24:56 reminds me of the time I was camping in the grand canyon... Jan 09 06:25:22 couple of french girls followed "a cute little kitty cat" into our campsite. Jan 09 06:25:35 the "cute little kitty cat" was a skunk... Jan 09 06:27:54 heh well did that end well? :) Jan 09 06:32:59 emeb_mac, Pepi LePew Jan 09 06:33:52 we explained to them what a skunk was and they left it to wander off on its own. Jan 09 06:34:05 ka6sox: exactly! Jan 09 06:34:58 emeb_mac: that is it? Jan 09 06:35:47 mranostay: outside of a bit of snickering that was pretty much it Jan 09 06:38:09 emeb_mac: was this the 60's? Jan 09 06:38:14 * mranostay ducks Jan 09 06:38:35 it was a more innocent time... Jan 09 06:39:03 * mranostay rolls eyes Jan 09 06:39:07 nah - about 3 years ago. But my pre-teen nephews were along so we had to behave ourselves... Jan 09 06:42:18 ok that is diffrent Jan 09 06:43:16 izzz ze cute kitty cat...(kissy noises) Jan 09 06:43:24 still chuckling about this... Jan 09 06:43:33 do I need to break out the creep cards? Jan 09 06:44:02 * XorA is off for the night Jan 09 06:44:03 Russ, you never saw Pepi LePew? Jan 09 06:44:11 nite XorA Jan 09 06:45:24 of course I did Jan 09 06:45:30 he gets at least 4 cards Jan 09 06:46:49 yeah - ol' Pepe is the quintessential oblivious stalker. Jan 09 06:51:52 Russ: collects cards? Jan 09 06:54:16 I don't aspire to such things Jan 09 07:00:23 today she would take out a 100m restraining order. Jan 09 07:07:46 hi florian Jan 09 07:08:12 good morning Jan 09 07:44:27 howdy! Jan 09 07:44:36 doody! Jan 09 09:00:02 KotH: hi there old dude Jan 09 09:13:13 mranostay: moin young padawan Jan 09 09:16:46 christ are people stupid Jan 09 09:16:59 i better not reply to this email till morning Jan 09 09:17:03 believe me, muslims are stupid as well Jan 09 09:17:29 christ are people? Jan 09 09:17:44 christ is people! Jan 09 09:17:59 christ is a people person? Jan 09 09:18:31 'I have people skills! I am good at dealing with people!' Jan 09 09:19:07 Russ: i was going for a Soylent Green reference Jan 09 09:19:27 wait, people are made of people? Jan 09 09:19:48 logically yes Jan 09 09:20:13 Russ: soylent green is made of people Jan 09 09:21:26 people is damn tasty then Jan 09 09:29:12 oh you guys still looking for a job Jan 09 09:32:00 gm Jan 09 09:32:14 * mranostay zzzzz's Jan 09 09:32:22 run away to your bed punk Jan 09 09:32:58 pi, pi, pi for sale. Jan 09 09:33:06 going cheap Jan 09 09:33:06 life of pi? Jan 09 09:33:20 is there a bengal tiger somewhere? Jan 09 09:34:14 bengal fire? Jan 09 12:31:55 wtf http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/transporterguy/transporter-a-new-way-to-share-access-and-protect Jan 09 12:34:53 hmm, a pogoplug Jan 09 12:36:00 just a bit expensive ;) Jan 09 12:36:45 and already got 200.000. kickstarter is amazing Jan 09 12:37:53 present the wrong idea in the right way and you make tons of money Jan 09 12:38:08 then look for a small pacific island to build your company on Jan 09 12:39:59 +1 Jan 09 12:40:10 at first I thought its a dropbox clone with a USB powered blue led Jan 09 12:40:19 but there is a HDD inside after all Jan 09 12:40:36 looks like linux system with something like owncloud Jan 09 12:41:11 ahh, yet another private cloud device. Jan 09 12:41:35 all the rage... Jan 09 12:41:40 I really should be writing up a ton of kickstarters instead of hacking for fun in my spare time Jan 09 12:41:48 we kids used to call it "a box of floppies" Jan 09 12:42:43 dyndns will be happy (in regard to that no fees) ;) Jan 09 12:43:10 av500, I just couldn't access my box of floppies at the house from down on the uni campus...oh for that connectivity back then Jan 09 12:43:39 aholler: so not even a central server for them to find each other? Jan 09 12:43:41 sneakernet was all the rage Jan 09 12:43:53 av500: I don't know Jan 09 12:43:58 mdp: hmm, campusnet > floppies Jan 09 12:44:14 av500: but I don't think so. at least nothing reliable Jan 09 12:44:22 av500, there's a few times I had a second backpack loaded with floppies going to the lab ;) Jan 09 12:44:35 otherwise they would want fees Jan 09 12:45:05 mdp: never understimate the "damages" to the industry of a floppy laden backpack :) Jan 09 12:45:14 hehe Jan 09 12:45:31 * av500 invokes the Bostron Strangler again Jan 09 12:46:25 os2 was just about 20 floppies Jan 09 12:46:48 had lots of that Jan 09 12:46:53 and minix Jan 09 12:46:55 and sco Jan 09 12:47:16 I had some m$ office on 26 floppies Jan 09 12:47:28 I carried GNU sources home before linux came out, for quality reading time Jan 09 12:47:29 that stack of floppies lasted for very long Jan 09 12:48:12 there was a nice open source cd Jan 09 12:48:26 during install, one disc in the middle failed Jan 09 12:48:34 tried "retry" about 100 times Jan 09 12:48:44 then it said "mever mind its just printer drivers" and continued :) Jan 09 12:49:06 thats robust SW engineering Jan 09 12:49:29 +1 Jan 09 12:49:44 aholler: walnut creek or TAMU? Jan 09 12:49:58 I think it was walnut creek Jan 09 12:50:15 used that too before linux ;) Jan 09 12:50:17 it would have been nice to have CDs then Jan 09 12:50:27 ;) Jan 09 12:51:30 I took a job grading the freshman engr fortran class assignments so I had access to the hp/ux lab 24/7 Jan 09 12:51:38 before I had a computer :) Jan 09 12:51:45 fortran! Jan 09 12:51:59 FORTRAN! Jan 09 12:52:06 I felt like a prostitute Jan 09 12:52:28 for the love of 24/7 internet access Jan 09 12:52:34 at time of floppies I've got most stuff through fido and bbs Jan 09 12:53:20 internet was too slow Jan 09 12:53:53 aholler: in the modem timeframe at the uni, since I was walking back and forth there twice a day..it was easier to suck everything down in 30 minutes onto 50 floppies..then have it all there when I got home after classes Jan 09 12:54:01 versus 2400..and later 14.4kbaud Jan 09 12:55:02 it seems we all adapt to the b/w at hand :) Jan 09 12:55:43 panto: I still remember vividly the weird engineering graphics class that all "pre-engineering" elects had to take at my uni Jan 09 12:55:59 hehe Jan 09 12:56:23 panto, one part was old school draft table drafting..next quarter..drawing cam shaft lobes with di3000 graphics in fortran ;) Jan 09 12:56:59 I think the fossilized faculty that kept those courses in place finally turned to dust Jan 09 12:57:05 heh Jan 09 12:57:27 but like everything, a good learning experience ;) Jan 09 12:57:28 you know what they say, there are no new ideas in science by the old faculty Jan 09 12:57:37 it has to die off before the new ones take hold Jan 09 12:59:05 to be fair, it was useful..good foundation for reading mechanical drawings that are kinda a reality for pcb layout ;) Jan 09 13:00:49 http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/share/SHARE_61_Proceedings_Volume_1_Summer_1983/A564%20DI3000%20User%20Experience%3B%20Alberg.pdf Jan 09 13:01:23 I suppose google with find me a DI3000 library that'll work with f2c if I put some effort into it ;) Jan 09 13:05:49 eh, ebcdic Jan 09 13:06:21 proof that programmers will forever debate the ideal language: http://goo.gl/HJ7Ld Jan 09 13:06:29 and C will always win Jan 09 13:06:44 c++ will ;) Jan 09 13:06:54 c-- Jan 09 13:06:58 hehe Jan 09 13:08:45 it's like style discussions Jan 09 13:09:01 aholler, our C camp dethroned java this year as #1 language...so..nah nah nah nah Jan 09 13:09:09 hehe Jan 09 13:09:26 [via some completely worthless unscientific rating of most popular language posted on g+] Jan 09 13:09:42 mdp: thats just because now everyone wants to be a kernel hacker ;) Jan 09 13:09:45 * panto is amused that this is the case, but it shows the resilience of the language Jan 09 13:10:21 and arduino people haven't realized that they use c++ ;) Jan 09 13:10:44 shhh...it's Wiring, that's all we tell them Jan 09 13:10:46 aholler, dunno, I could never take the arduino people seriously Jan 09 13:10:47 move along Jan 09 13:11:09 as in, why are you wasting your time in a dead end architecture? Jan 09 13:11:38 because it does the job and is cheap Jan 09 13:11:49 and simple Jan 09 13:12:18 easy on arduino...I can tell you that it's effective for teaching kids interact-with-the-world programming Jan 09 13:12:29 never said anything about kids :) Jan 09 13:12:39 anyway, lunch time Jan 09 13:13:08 kids are now all on r-pi Jan 09 13:13:08 but that applies to non-neckbeard adults too...lots of people want some light controller or whatever and aren't s/w professionals Jan 09 13:13:13 lol Jan 09 13:13:26 using xbmc to watch pron Jan 09 13:14:11 av500: pi pron? Jan 09 13:14:16 with avr you don't need to setup a dozens of clocks and it's easy to calculate times for assembler Jan 09 13:14:41 LetoThe2nd: judging from the need for every new xyzboard to 1st run XBMC, it Jan 09 13:15:13 LetoThe2nd: it'S clear all these kids use telelearning Jan 09 13:15:22 yes Jan 09 13:15:40 I mean, I learned a lot from watching TV 24/7 as a kid Jan 09 13:15:47 an xbmc-image seems to be a requirement Jan 09 13:16:19 at that time there were like 3 channels, so I could watch "all" of TV Jan 09 13:16:28 thus I knew "everything" Jan 09 13:17:33 mmm...telelearning Jan 09 13:18:27 its like telecommuting Jan 09 13:18:49 add teledating Jan 09 13:19:59 speedteledating Jan 09 13:20:44 * mdp stabs the hated am335x-evm Jan 09 13:20:59 telehating Jan 09 13:23:22 urg Jan 09 13:23:46 av500, it would probably be better to move this board remote so I don't localhate it to death Jan 09 13:23:58 is it wrong to want to print a deck of cards with government figures on them so we can punch them if we see them? Jan 09 13:24:00 Crofton: teleurg? Jan 09 13:24:10 yeah Jan 09 13:24:22 governmentcreepercards Jan 09 13:24:47 yeah Jan 09 13:25:01 that is frowned upon Jan 09 13:25:03 if only we had guns to overthrow government... Jan 09 13:25:06 I'll get the phone on wifi in a bit and post some explanatory photos Jan 09 13:25:11 well, for the urg Jan 09 13:25:17 heh Jan 09 13:25:43 if we overthrow the government, we will not needs guns, but open, free and encrypted networks! Jan 09 13:25:57 we will need freedom boxes! Jan 09 13:26:12 yes, driven by closed chinese SoCs... Jan 09 13:26:18 rofl Jan 09 13:26:21 we will all win Jan 09 13:26:53 we need to design an open soc, down to the mask level Jan 09 13:27:02 mmm...free boxes for the masses Jan 09 13:27:07 workers of the world unite Jan 09 13:27:15 [13:31:54] wtf http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/transporterguy/transporter-a-new-way-to-share-access-and-protect Jan 09 13:27:32 I will donate all my empty amazon shipping boxes...is this what you mean? Jan 09 13:27:36 Crofton: we need to fab them with "free" sand Jan 09 13:27:58 av500, too dependent on the middle east Jan 09 13:28:11 a new sand-based economy Jan 09 13:28:19 mud-based Jan 09 13:28:27 aha, we have that here Jan 09 13:28:34 I endorse the mud-based economy Jan 09 13:28:41 mud-based is good Jan 09 13:28:49 av500: you watching tv 24/7 explains a lot of things Jan 09 13:28:51 it's a deal then Jan 09 13:29:14 * mdp drafts the .us<->.de mud-based economy deal with the duly appointed representatives Jan 09 13:29:14 KotH: I used to Jan 09 13:29:28 av500: now you g+ 24/7 :) Jan 09 13:29:28 store all your pr0n Jan 09 13:29:49 KotH: +1 Jan 09 13:30:07 KotH: at that time, it was watchable, a lot of documentaries and even school TV Jan 09 13:30:15 I really learned a lot Jan 09 13:30:16 mdp: you know, in bcn i heard av500's phones vibrate every couple of minutes, due to incomming g+ stuff :) Jan 09 13:30:26 mdp: trough the hotel walls that is Jan 09 13:30:42 av500: telekoleg? :) Jan 09 13:31:02 die maus Jan 09 13:31:18 KotH: stuff like that Jan 09 13:31:37 aholler: i watch that even today :) Jan 09 13:31:45 aholler: eventhough i dont even own a tv Jan 09 13:31:56 KotH: I love this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwJPu3Zm1TI Jan 09 13:32:21 wow and this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C5h6-Q7bDU Jan 09 13:32:28 german steve jobs explains math :) Jan 09 13:32:36 av500: lol Jan 09 13:32:43 av500: i rember those! Jan 09 13:33:07 av500: i used to know the chemistry and physics courses by hard when i finished primary school :) Jan 09 13:38:05 back Jan 09 13:39:43 /o\ Jan 09 13:41:14 av500: but 24/7 can't be true. tv shut off at around 0-2 at night ;) Jan 09 13:41:47 or you loved the test pattern ;) Jan 09 13:47:15 ah well Jan 09 13:47:19 my waking hours Jan 09 14:07:57 the moment, when you realize software you've written 5 years ago still works on an engineering sample hardware Jan 09 14:08:01 ^^' Jan 09 14:09:09 was it written for that hardware? Jan 09 14:09:13 or did you port it? Jan 09 14:11:38 it was written for that hw Jan 09 14:12:00 so, the bits did not rot :) Jan 09 14:12:16 of the 7 devices we still have from that project, only the one we did the original development on works... the one with all those weird wires and other modifications on Jan 09 14:12:30 all other stopped working somewhen in the past Jan 09 14:12:46 and the customer asked for some software modification ^^' Jan 09 14:26:32 av500: funny.. the code doesn't compile anymore ^^' Jan 09 14:26:40 av500: neither do the openocd scripts work Jan 09 14:27:11 av500: bits did rot, but looks like the binary can was tight enough :) Jan 09 14:28:05 just the same problem as with vendor patches. they stop working after some time ;) Jan 09 14:28:20 KotH: always keep an md5sum in a swiss bank vault Jan 09 14:28:32 av500: what for? Jan 09 14:28:40 feeling safe Jan 09 14:28:48 iso900 Jan 09 14:28:57 ~10 Jan 09 14:28:59 *10 Jan 09 14:29:13 * KotH thinks that creating a VM with compiler and everything in it and storing that somewhere safe would be a better idea Jan 09 14:29:19 yes Jan 09 14:29:28 av500: 9001 is for sissies! Jan 09 14:29:33 av500: we are 13485 Jan 09 14:50:29 I patched the 3.2.28+ beaglebone kernel with this http://pastebin.ca/2300709 and it now hangs at Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p2..., patch is pretty short any idea what is wrong? Jan 09 14:53:21 * KotH would guess that the spi pin config conflicts with the sdcard pins Jan 09 14:54:28 one could back out part of the patch Jan 09 14:55:19 KotH, missing part of the issue, I use the very same patch on 3.2.16+ and everything was great Jan 09 14:55:38 av500, yes I guess bisecting it will be the only option Jan 09 14:58:19 pretty short with some dozens mux and register changes ;) Jan 09 15:00:03 aholler: compared to the patches i needed to get spi working on the i.mx23 with 3.6... that's very short Jan 09 15:00:07 ;) Jan 09 15:01:03 KotH: imx23 is best used with 2.3 kernel :) Jan 09 15:01:41 2.3 was a test kernel Jan 09 15:02:15 aholler: av500 is old enough to know that :) Jan 09 15:02:49 i know, but meories die sometimes Jan 09 15:03:30 av500's head is large enough to store memories for a couple of lifetimes Jan 09 15:05:55 doesn't prevent rotten bits Jan 09 15:06:43 av500 old.. he's still analog Jan 09 15:07:48 in fact we would have a problem without rotten bits. savants have that problem Jan 09 15:09:29 you confuse correlation with causation Jan 09 15:09:44 I#m always confused Jan 09 15:10:01 i'm always correlated Jan 09 15:15:04 av500: are you the cause or the effect? Jan 09 15:19:05 the relation Jan 09 16:32:24 _av500_: only russians would make a 6 liter vodka bottle Jan 09 16:42:20 mranostay: you are in the land of BIG Jan 09 16:48:54 av500: not LITTLE.big? Jan 09 16:53:20 where can I find the bit banging subsystem? Jan 09 16:56:02 * mranostay gets ready to cluebat bradfa Jan 09 16:56:25 bradfa: /dev/mem Jan 09 16:56:31 av500, I don't have a Samsung Jan 09 16:56:37 or even better /dev/exynosmem Jan 09 16:57:10 I see 3D tv is now officially dead, that's good Jan 09 16:58:00 bradfa: it's a stock feature now Jan 09 16:58:05 that does not make it dead Jan 09 16:58:11 mranostay, do cluebats bang the bits harder or softer? Jan 09 16:58:35 bradfa: no you blackout :) Jan 09 16:58:35 av500, but the internets says at CES this year all the TVs are either 4K, 8K or OLED Jan 09 16:58:49 they haven't put 3D in those yet I guess Jan 09 16:59:11 bradfa: like always, any product now shown on CES is pulled from shelves and burned Jan 09 16:59:24 mranostay, I wanted to make an argument that 3.3V io is the best for bit banging with. Bang the bits really hard for 5V or softly for 1.8V. No need for mdp's level shifters Jan 09 16:59:37 real men bang with 12V Jan 09 17:00:10 av500: how about 240V? :) Jan 09 17:00:11 av500, and then if you bang gangnam style you get 120 / 240 V AC? Jan 09 17:00:28 bit bangnam style? Jan 09 17:00:31 * mdp looks around nervously for HR Jan 09 17:00:58 * bradfa thought mdp worked at home? Jan 09 17:01:11 * mdp virtually looks around nervously Jan 09 17:02:05 bang Nam style has been tried and failed Jan 09 17:02:13 av500, link? Jan 09 17:02:26 nsfw? Jan 09 17:02:50 bradfa: in the end 'Nam banged you Jan 09 17:03:12 av500, a bit before my time, me thinks Jan 09 17:36:22 av500: so what's your favorite pizza? Just trying to plan ahead for the elinux.org BoF at ELC ;) Jan 09 17:38:27 get extra trolls on it Jan 09 17:39:14 troll meat it is Jan 09 17:49:18 av500: coming to ELC? Jan 09 17:49:29 wmat: which BoF? Jan 09 17:49:40 mranostay: elinux.org BoF Jan 09 17:49:48 and of course canadian bacon Jan 09 17:49:59 heh Jan 09 17:54:35 wmat: be sure to bring a few packs and some maple syrup :) Jan 09 17:55:40 so this going to be the troll BoF effectivly? Jan 09 18:00:00 go Leafs! Jan 09 18:00:24 Anyone had luck compiling node.js on an XM? I'm getting some wonky error, I'm getting the same "thumb inter-working" error as this post: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/3614 Jan 09 18:00:29 is elinux.org now the exclusive venue for trolls? Jan 09 18:00:33 Any and all help is appreciated! Jan 09 18:01:35 i wouldn't say exclusive but the most in one place i'm sure Jan 09 18:02:08 is it time yet to plan the super secret tizenallthethings flashmob? Jan 09 18:02:13 heh Jan 09 18:02:43 in Union Square? :) Jan 09 18:03:08 Russ: could be ask Intel for a box of Tizen shirts? Jan 09 18:03:23 you know to show our support at the local Tizen User Group we are starting Jan 09 18:03:52 I was thinking at some ELC venue Jan 09 18:04:32 ah yes i figured Jan 09 18:04:56 heh one meetup group for Tizen Jan 09 18:05:27 and one meetup from that group :) Jan 09 18:18:46 ho ho ho! Merry Wednesday! Jan 09 18:20:15 how's it hangin' prpplague? Jan 09 18:21:14 prpplague: .o/ Jan 09 18:21:51 lose an arm? Jan 09 18:21:57 waiting at the airport Jan 09 18:22:06 hi prpplague Jan 09 18:22:15 looks like flight might be delayed Jan 09 18:22:15 prpplague: welcome to the left coast Jan 09 18:22:25 almost welcome then Jan 09 18:22:29 hehe Jan 09 18:22:44 prpplague: dfw? Jan 09 18:22:50 panto greetings Jan 09 18:22:51 mranostay: picture is cut off at the shoulder. Besides... 2 arms up means "TOUCHDOWN, TENNESSEE!!" -- not "Hello!" Jan 09 18:23:07 mdp yea Jan 09 18:23:24 prpplague: When were you originally intending to be here? Jan 09 18:24:25 flight is suppose to leave at 1 but i suspect it is delayed due to weather for an hhour Jan 09 18:28:43 prpplague: Ah. I'm flying back to Dallas tomorrow morning. Jan 09 18:29:03 where you staying? Jan 09 18:29:42 heh --> http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/12/31/huawei.said.to.have.offered.13.million.euros.of.embargoed.tech/ Jan 09 18:30:07 TIL that prpplague is also an actor: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1044403/ Jan 09 18:31:14 the can only be one! Jan 09 18:31:21 * mranostay hands prpplague a sword Jan 09 18:31:32 hehe yea his real name is david holt, he changed it because there was already a davidd holt with actors guild Jan 09 18:31:53 heh you must a fan of his entire collection Jan 09 18:32:07 * mranostay nudges mdp for reference Jan 09 18:32:11 silly actors and their stage names. Jan 09 18:32:27 and he's from Grass Pants, OR. Jan 09 18:32:49 Grass pants that seems itchy Jan 09 18:33:08 needs must and all that... Jan 09 18:35:15 prpplague: yeah SAG usually doesn't allow that :) Jan 09 18:35:57 prpplague: the film actors guild?!? ;) Jan 09 18:36:01 morning.. Jan 09 18:36:06 unique identifiers are for machines. Jan 09 18:37:37 * mranostay smacks mdp Jan 09 18:37:51 * mranostay reports mdp to HR Jan 09 18:38:05 a true classic Jan 09 18:38:18 Team America? Jan 09 18:38:23 yeah Jan 09 18:39:14 heh entire home rent in downtown MV is only $8k Jan 09 18:39:52 and wrong channel :) Jan 09 18:39:59 *only* Jan 09 18:41:01 yeah not really going to spend $96k a year on housing :) Jan 09 18:43:45 that doesnt leave much for nudie bars and beer... Jan 09 18:43:50 prpplague: I'm in Campbell tonight. Jan 09 18:43:57 ahh Jan 09 18:44:26 prpplague: you? Jan 09 18:44:38 cupertino Jan 09 18:45:06 mranostay, yeah, you need to keep in mind first the essentials that prpplague mentions Jan 09 18:45:10 then worry about housing Jan 09 18:45:43 i got asked to write up description on how i would benefit the vayu project Jan 09 18:46:12 gabrbedd gotta get that done this evening Jan 09 18:47:15 prpplague: yeah well that is why i'm looking for a cheaper place :) Jan 09 18:47:40 prpplague: "How I can Benefit Vayo" by David Anders, "I believe that the Vayu Project needs a Red Rider BB Gun with a compass on the stalk and this thing that tells time...." Jan 09 18:47:44 prpplague: oooh...*that* vayu? ;) Jan 09 18:48:21 wtf is Vayu? Jan 09 18:48:46 DRA7xx Jan 09 18:48:56 omap5 respin as an automotive aka jacinto6 Jan 09 18:49:04 mranostay, shared on g+ Jan 09 18:49:17 prpplague: pandavayu Jan 09 18:49:35 or beaglevayu Jan 09 18:49:43 legovayu? Jan 09 18:50:09 vayu u mssn vit me? Jan 09 18:56:37 heh a studio for ~1400$ that is more "reasonable" Jan 09 18:59:06 hi djlewis Jan 09 18:59:12 our favorite AR person Jan 09 18:59:25 hehee Jan 09 18:59:42 your only Ar person ;P Jan 09 19:00:49 just love it when I walk in the office and am assualted by higher ups with Ya gotta do this and this and that right now../ Jan 09 19:01:16 that's their job Jan 09 19:01:48 aka, "Those Above" Jan 09 19:02:06 Above doing it themselves Jan 09 19:02:16 now you get it ;) Jan 09 19:02:20 but then it makes me important around here :) Jan 09 19:02:38 djlewis: you're important no matter what, never forget Jan 09 19:02:52 manage your manager Jan 09 19:03:17 so says my little philisophical 8 ball ( bad spelling there) Jan 09 19:03:53 the 8 ball is always correct Jan 09 19:04:01 recall the old 8-ball you flib over and a sg floats up to answer all ones questions? Jan 09 19:04:12 sg? Jan 09 19:04:13 flip and msg and argh Jan 09 19:04:53 http://www.8-ball-magic.com/ Jan 09 19:04:54 My right hand has a brace on it. Jan 09 19:05:27 type my question in the bellow's ? Jan 09 19:05:34 what is the meaning of life? Jan 09 19:05:37 "Will we change plans again today? : mystic eight ball said Without a doubt." Jan 09 19:05:37 "Yes" Jan 09 19:05:54 I didn't need the 8 ball to tell me that Jan 09 19:06:07 thats their job Jan 09 19:06:24 (changing plans) Jan 09 19:06:29 Hey! it is smart! I asked if its farts stink and it said "Yes definitely" Jan 09 19:07:05 aholler, so we established that they have lots of responsibilities ;) Jan 09 19:07:11 "those people" Jan 09 19:08:21 and remember folks, "will things get better in the future? : magic 8 ball says Don't count on it." Jan 09 19:12:04 we need a magic 8-ball bot in here Jan 09 19:15:44 mranostay, HRbot can talk to 8ballbot Jan 09 19:19:13 have 8-ball bot talk to radioshack eliza bot Jan 09 19:19:45 they can solve each others problems Jan 09 19:20:12 we need a trollbot to automagically berate people Jan 09 19:20:25 where is mru? Jan 09 19:20:39 exactly...I'm identifying gaps Jan 09 19:20:46 :) Jan 09 19:20:54 "something is missing...I can't put my finger on it..." Jan 09 19:20:56 ;) Jan 09 19:23:16 anyone know mru is alive for sure? Jan 09 19:23:47 client installed ubuntu on a new netbook and it wont boot. Go figure.. fun one. Jan 09 19:26:06 have you tried linux? Jan 09 19:26:32 perhaps the rpi guys had him dealt with ? Jan 09 19:27:04 mranostay: which flavor? Jan 09 19:27:12 inside joke :) Jan 09 19:27:23 I figured Jan 09 19:49:34 im going to be forced into learning some C++ Jan 09 19:49:42 enough so i'm dangerous Jan 09 19:51:18 ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 09 19:52:32 2013 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 09 19:54:19 2013 Jan 09 19:55:27 mdp: not without the popcorn Jan 09 19:55:48 mea culpa Jan 09 19:55:52 proceed sir Jan 09 19:57:14 it so c like, untill its not Jan 09 19:58:46 i want that above line taken _in_ context! Jan 09 19:59:50 do you guys know anything about so called "unbranded" beaglebone Jan 09 20:00:14 like "white box"? Jan 09 20:01:00 mrpacket_: thats a "ask Gerald" question Jan 09 20:01:01 sold out of the back of a van with a wink and a nudge... Jan 09 20:01:11 ask CCO question Jan 09 20:01:24 koen can point you to the right person if the answer isn't on the CCO web page Jan 09 20:01:46 there was a mention of it in todays beagle mailing list Jan 09 20:01:52 arn't such boards the reason beagle* exists? Jan 09 20:03:03 im seriously thining about hacking the Beaglebone pcb now Jan 09 20:03:12 as long as it doesn't reuse trademarks it should be ok... shouldn't it? Jan 09 20:03:12 well, the pcb files Jan 09 20:03:32 you can make whatever you want Jan 09 20:03:33 becaue theres four pins i need to get to that are not avaialble Jan 09 20:03:38 is the PCB licensed? Jan 09 20:03:41 the PRU_MII ports Jan 09 20:03:50 i'm asking Gerald Jan 09 20:04:06 mranostay: it's a OSHW license Jan 09 20:04:26 Gerald answer that again today on the list and a million previous times Jan 09 20:05:12 "You should look to contact CircuitCo Jan 09 20:05:13 directly to see if they can enable you to purchase either a clone of a Jan 09 20:05:13 BeagleBoard directly or through a distributor.  Depending on your Jan 09 20:05:13 volumes, pricing might be a bit different as BeagleBoard.org is Jan 09 20:05:13 getting a fairly good volume discount on components.  I'm not sure Jan 09 20:05:13 what of those discounts CircuitCo could pass on to you." Jan 09 20:05:34 as I said, go talk to CCO about "white label" ;) Jan 09 20:08:27 just use a wiring pencil ;) Jan 09 20:10:08 a good kickstarter would be some bones marketed as "white label" with extra support...we just buy branded ones and put them in a different box. Jan 09 20:10:18 then retire to the island av500 talked about Jan 09 20:10:37 which island? Jan 09 20:10:37 sell them to disgruntled Pi people Jan 09 20:10:42 the island of PI Jan 09 20:10:42 with the appropriate mark up for the special support Jan 09 20:10:54 mranostay, it's the proverbial retirement island Jan 09 20:11:00 "retire to some island" :) Jan 09 20:11:23 usually happens in the movie after embezzling vast sums of cash Jan 09 20:11:28 mor ing Jan 09 20:11:34 mourning Jan 09 20:14:24 mdp: island with shady banking practices? :) Jan 09 20:15:45 it is more comfortable to do ones banking in the sade on that island Jan 09 20:15:48 shade Jan 09 20:16:15 practical as always, djlewis Jan 09 20:16:18 mranostay, take note! Jan 09 20:22:42 that was fast, response from Gerlaldn already Jan 09 20:31:48 Anyone knows of some kind of generic sysfs i2c driver that I could use instead of i2c-tools? Jan 09 20:34:57 er Jan 09 20:36:39 i2c-dev is the canonical userspace api Jan 09 20:38:59 mdp, thanks, I'll take a look at that Jan 09 20:39:19 you'll find a ton of examples, hopefully no gaps for your use case Jan 09 20:39:22 something simple? Jan 09 20:47:51 very simple! right now I shell out to i2c-set and i2c-get so it tells you how simple it is :) Jan 09 20:53:51 <_av500_> argh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JNode Jan 09 20:54:03 <_av500_> wonder if jnode can run node.js Jan 09 20:56:32 they needed 10a to learn it doesn't make sense ;) Jan 09 20:56:47 * wmat books ELC Jan 09 20:57:02 wmat: wahooooo! Jan 09 20:57:08 wmat: beers on me Jan 09 20:57:20 prpplague: only if I spill one on you! Jan 09 20:57:25 wmat: hehe deal Jan 09 20:57:26 prpplague: which is highly likely Jan 09 20:57:36 wmat: is jeffers attending? Jan 09 20:57:40 prpplague: I assume you're in CA now? Jan 09 20:57:48 prpplague: jefro is a maybe Jan 09 20:58:03 wmat: pester and/or nag him Jan 09 20:58:06 wmat: on the flight now Jan 09 20:58:15 jsabeaudry: aha! well, you'll have the most trivial and elegant of C programs to replace that then ;) Jan 09 20:58:28 wmat: reviewing elc cfp stuff now Jan 09 20:58:34 wmat: have we met in real life? Jan 09 20:58:41 prpplague: I just submitted my BoF Jan 09 20:58:45 mranostay: probably not Jan 09 20:58:50 mranostay: I don't get out much Jan 09 20:59:00 wmat, will you reveal the BoF topic? Jan 09 20:59:12 mdp: free pizza Jan 09 20:59:23 I'll be there Jan 09 20:59:27 perfect Jan 09 20:59:30 you had me at "free" Jan 09 20:59:54 you put "beer" after than and you'll never get rid of me :P Jan 09 20:59:59 s/than/that/ Jan 09 21:00:08 wmat: specially spent time to sync my mp3 player before the trip and the two songs i wanted to listen to on the trip appear to not have been transfered Jan 09 21:00:15 actually, I'd like to discuss how to encourage RPi users to take the next step Jan 09 21:00:15 wmat: hope that isn't an omen Jan 09 21:00:31 that is? Jan 09 21:00:42 prpplague: nah, that's fate telling you to read/study more Jan 09 21:00:51 hehe Jan 09 21:00:59 * mdp wonders if EVM SK prefers 45ACP or 40S&W at the end Jan 09 21:01:03 guess ewan dobson will have to do Jan 09 21:03:39 prpplague, quick, implement a bubble sorts in Lisp! Go! Jan 09 21:04:03 aholler: the next step could be anything from a more powerful dev board to learning ARM assembly. That's why I'd like to get input. Jan 09 21:04:24 prpplague: tell them you are a rockstar if you get a chance Jan 09 21:04:46 if xbmc was their first step, I don't see any other ;) Jan 09 21:05:02 heh Jan 09 21:05:17 mdp: hehe Jan 09 21:05:40 10 print "i am a programming God!" Jan 09 21:05:42 20 goto 10 Jan 09 21:05:57 "Name your signing bonus!!!" Jan 09 21:05:58 that's how I started ;) Jan 09 21:06:45 but quickly advanced to asm Jan 09 21:07:11 prpplague: I still hope my group gets things in order and hires you...but the wheels turn slowly :( Jan 09 21:07:23 prpplague: was the deadline for submission in 11h or 1d+11h? Jan 09 21:08:32 dm8tbr: it's pretty grey atm Jan 09 21:08:35 dm8tbr: get it in Jan 09 21:09:22 prpplague: yeah, I want to. just caught a flu and wanted to know if I need to pull something together first thing in the morning Jan 09 21:09:58 * dm8tbr will catch some sleep now and then get something into writing in the morning Jan 09 21:10:28 dm8tbr: understood Jan 09 21:10:37 dm8tbr: friday midnight pst Jan 09 21:11:01 ah, good. tnx Jan 09 21:11:02 alan_o: thanks for the link to the article Jan 09 21:11:11 will get it done in the morning anyway Jan 09 21:11:13 alan_o: i only got to read half before the flight Jan 09 21:13:04 jnode must be funny especially at gc times: dear hw, please hold on for a moment… Jan 09 21:20:56 prpplague: I had to reflash my mp3 player in Paris airport when I discovered the firmware crashed on the mp3s I had loaded :-D Jan 09 21:20:57 most impressed, circuitco have come back to me in just minutes Jan 09 21:21:35 XorA: *cough* were the french being rude to your MP3 and caused it to crash? Jan 09 21:21:50 prpplague: hehe Jan 09 21:22:02 mrpacket_: hehe i am guessing it wasn't clint responding, hehe Jan 09 21:22:12 Bob Jan 09 21:22:13 prpplague: I was half expecting security to take me for extra probing when I started pulling cables out of bag to reflash it Jan 09 21:22:45 why do you ask prpplague Jan 09 21:23:20 mrpacket_: i didn't, i simply stated that i assumed it wasn't clint.... Jan 09 21:23:49 prpplague: you stated you guessed, but thats being as nit-picky and mranostay Jan 09 21:23:55 :-) Jan 09 21:24:24 i will rephrase my question. Jan 09 21:25:01 prpplague: what background information do you have, that would cause you to 'guess' that clint did'nt respond Jan 09 21:25:33 mrpacket_: clint is usually very busy and doesn't usually respond to emails very quickly Jan 09 21:25:49 and you've had previous experience of this? Jan 09 21:26:26 Cardinal Fang - poke her with the soft cushion! Jan 09 21:26:37 mrpacket_: hehe indeed Jan 09 21:26:51 mrpacket_: cco has a great staff Jan 09 21:27:01 mrpacket_: they'll get you taken care of Jan 09 21:29:59 prpplague: i'm betting that they can build me a customised solution cheaper than i can. Jan 09 21:30:48 indeed Jan 09 21:34:41 yeah, cco has great staff except for that strange guy that likes angstrom so much... Jan 09 21:36:48 The proper way to switch SPI D0 and D1 with regards to MOSI/MISO is still to hack spi-omap2-mcspi.c, right? Jan 09 21:37:05 upstream now has a DT property you can set Jan 09 21:37:24 mdp: what do you recommend over angstrom? just curious. Jan 09 21:37:34 s5fs, j/k Jan 09 21:37:53 * mdp pokes at koen while he's away Jan 09 21:38:09 mdp: i'm too green to know sarcasm when i see it, haha! just stepping into angstrom and using yocto docs, haha! Jan 09 21:38:10 * XorA hands mdp a sharper stick Jan 09 21:38:34 s5fs, I have to remember to enable sartalics font sometimes Jan 09 21:38:44 Ok, good, I'm still on hold for the DT stuff because it's too alpha, but good to know that it will be less hackish in the future Jan 09 21:39:34 hm its not alpha anymore Jan 09 21:39:43 jsabeaudry: http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/cgi-bin/lxr/source/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/spi/omap-spi.txt shows it...fwiw Jan 09 21:39:50 tegra switched complete Jan 09 21:39:57 or do you mean on omap? Jan 09 21:40:46 woglinde, on omap, for example, it doesnt seem possible to control some of the gpmc timings such as cycle2cycle or bus turnaround yet on DT Jan 09 21:43:49 jsabeaudry: yeah, it's a never-ending thing with converting existing stuff to DT Jan 09 21:43:55 tons of gaps still Jan 09 21:44:15 most people get excited when a board boots and forget about production use with DT ;) Jan 09 21:44:36 mdp it will end Jan 09 21:44:49 What else could you need beside tty? Jan 09 21:44:53 ;) Jan 09 21:45:05 and it will better as the wildgrowing stuff before Jan 09 21:45:17 woglinde: that's hard to believe ;) Jan 09 21:45:35 mdp for tegra it really worked Jan 09 21:46:07 for mips too Jan 09 21:46:16 lantiq platform Jan 09 21:46:32 it's never done, is my point ;) Jan 09 21:46:47 mdp than use 2.6.29 Jan 09 21:47:04 or make your own micro kernel Jan 09 21:47:05 2.2 Jan 09 21:48:43 I heard micro kernels are out of style somewhere Jan 09 21:48:56 but whatever it is should probably be done in Forth Jan 09 21:50:18 lua is the new star on that front Jan 09 21:52:55 so starterware should go lua Jan 09 21:53:34 aholler? Jan 09 21:53:43 lua is 10 years old or so Jan 09 21:54:11 I can't decide if I like stellarisware or starterware better..both have creative names Jan 09 21:54:15 c is even older Jan 09 21:54:34 starterware Jan 09 21:55:19 and some still just discovering c++ ;) Jan 09 21:55:46 I heard gnu has a compiler for that c++ stuff now Jan 09 21:56:03 woglinde: it was an reply to forth, nothing else Jan 09 21:56:57 aholler, I will consider using lua to modernize things Jan 09 21:57:24 try it on a nxt Jan 09 21:57:32 nice to use Jan 09 21:57:56 that I can do Jan 09 22:11:30 prpplague: no problem man. Jan 09 22:11:46 alan_o: i am at a loss to figure out how to get more folks involved Jan 09 22:11:56 alan_o: i spoke to about 10 females about it Jan 09 22:12:22 alan_o: 100 Jan 09 22:12:54 alan_o: 100% of them stated that they didn't think it would be any benefit to their careers so they had no interest in submitting Jan 09 22:13:33 * alan_o and prpplague refer to http://aralbalkan.com/notes/on-false-dichotomies-and-diversity/ , which I sent him in an email earlier Jan 09 22:14:35 prpplague: I don't think what the article talks about is a problem with ELC*. In fact it seems like all the things he suggests, LF already does. Jan 09 22:14:53 alan_o: indeed Jan 09 22:15:01 alan_o: LF is pretty darn good about such things Jan 09 22:15:16 It mostly just bugs me that the tone of his article is that "there aren't any women here, therefore someone _must_ be doing something bad, bigoted, etc" Jan 09 22:15:26 alan_o: exactly Jan 09 22:15:49 <_av500_> what article? Jan 09 22:16:10 _av500_: I linked it about 5lines up Jan 09 22:20:02 <_av500_> ah Jan 09 22:20:02 <_av500_> yes Jan 09 22:20:42 thats the same nonsense as with that rails conference Jan 09 22:21:02 need a quota system for speakers? Jan 09 22:21:27 <_av500_> no Jan 09 22:21:53 if there is a diversity problem with the embedded linux community, it isn't something a conference can be expected to fix Jan 09 22:21:59 <_av500_> the article says you need a framework that will make sure that you get enough "diversity" without a quota Jan 09 22:22:06 he says that the guy he cites isn't calling for quotas, and it's just "bad writing" or whatever, but he's 100% wrong. A quota is _exactly_ what Matt describes Jan 09 22:22:39 <_av500_> so as a conf organizer, you need to travel back in time 200 years and changethings Jan 09 22:22:51 i have to agree with alan_o as much i hate doing that :) Jan 09 22:23:03 <_av500_> mranostay: I know that feeling Jan 09 22:24:21 hehe Jan 09 22:24:26 well it is a sensitive topic, but i am interested in seeing why more woman aren't involved in some of the developer conferences Jan 09 22:24:53 prpplague: because there aren't as many woman developers as the article claims. Jan 09 22:25:36 and the rest don't need to speak as they are getting hands everywhere Jan 09 22:25:41 prpplague, pretty sure its a deep seated issue, all you can really do for conferences is actively seek sumbissions from potential female speakers Jan 09 22:25:50 so far my anecdotal evidence indicates that most of the women developers don't see any value in it Jan 09 22:25:56 where is this 30%?:) Jan 09 22:26:17 mranostay: exactly Jan 09 22:26:20 any place i've worked it was probably 10-15% max Jan 09 22:26:39 some 0% :) Jan 09 22:27:11 i actually have some time setup with a few of my female colleagues at TI next week to get some details about why they don't submit Jan 09 22:28:36 prpplague: well the percent that attend the conference is higher than the submission ratio for sure Jan 09 22:28:53 well presentation ratio Jan 09 22:29:51 mranostay: indeed Jan 09 22:31:13 time for some social engineering by social engineers Jan 09 22:31:37 Theres' a business card title.... Jan 09 22:32:06 design a pink logo ;) Jan 09 22:32:32 * alan_o reboots Jan 09 22:33:45 * prpplague shutsdown for landing Jan 09 22:34:11 how else are you going to take control of the plane if something goes wrong? Jan 09 22:34:45 and he was never heard from again Jan 09 22:35:11 can i have his rum collection? Jan 09 23:03:45 everyone be quiet maybe he'll leave Jan 09 23:03:59 * mranostay hides under a bridge Jan 09 23:06:36 * djlewis soon gets in his HHR (which is too low of head room) and heads home. Jan 09 23:12:06 lol. Jan 09 23:12:28 rum is over-rated Jan 09 23:12:48 why is female presenters such a topic Jan 09 23:12:51 i dont' get it Jan 09 23:12:54 i dont' care. Jan 09 23:13:04 i'll show the same contempt for male and female Jan 09 23:15:34 heh Jan 09 23:23:31 * mranostay listens to the UX guys the next cube over Jan 09 23:23:58 ugh, most people who use the term UX should be beaten. Jan 09 23:24:42 come get it big boy Jan 09 23:24:55 * mranostay gets cluebat Jan 09 23:25:12 In reality, most UX is more like UT Jan 09 23:25:19 User Torture Jan 09 23:27:19 I like the idea of people thinking about UX, but I don't like how everyone who used to be a web designer is now a "UX architect" Jan 09 23:27:59 well, most "web designers" should be beaten too Jan 09 23:28:41 most people in tech should be beaten :) Jan 09 23:30:32 alan_o: hey look over there for a second Jan 09 23:31:04 * alan_o turns his head Jan 09 23:31:06 where? Jan 09 23:37:23 anyone who wants to watch web developers suffer, just watch 'the website is down' Jan 09 23:37:56 yes yes Jan 09 23:38:36 people who indent with spaces should be beaten Jan 09 23:38:41 yes Jan 09 23:38:57 have an asshole that refuses to use tabs here :) Jan 09 23:39:11 well who's in charge? Jan 09 23:39:30 That's my problem with too many companies. Nobody is really in charge Jan 09 23:39:53 well no comment in here :) Jan 09 23:40:16 alan_o: the same person had tabstops set at 4 Jan 09 23:52:27 why is spaces bad? Jan 09 23:52:41 and why are 4 spaces bad? Jan 09 23:53:02 have to press delete more times and key wears out Jan 09 23:53:11 o.O Jan 09 23:53:17 hit autoformat Jan 09 23:53:31 or dd Jan 09 23:58:53 ka6sox: in C code? Jan 10 00:00:49 bbfiles Jan 10 00:02:13 spaces don't change their length according to users or editors preferences Jan 10 00:02:51 but such discussions are boring Jan 10 00:03:56 so, i wonder what a customised board will cost me Jan 10 00:59:47 the bbxm system reference manual section 4.18 mentions a usb/serial adapter. does anyone have a p/n? Jan 10 01:01:13 e.g., http://www.brainboxes.com/product/items/us-101 Jan 10 01:01:13 ? Jan 10 01:08:23 would it be any ftdi-based device? Jan 10 01:58:38 yates: probably something like that Jan 10 01:59:28 . Jan 10 01:59:41 yates: I use this one http://www.parallax.com/Store/Accessories/CablesConverters/tabid/166/ProductID/378/List/0/Default.aspx? Jan 10 02:00:30 yates: I like it because it's tiny, and it's FTDI. Jan 10 02:01:31 oh, and what's cool is, you stick it right onto your device, and use the usb cable as your long cable. It's good for laptop bags because usb is lighter than a serial cable (and you're probably already carrying one) Jan 10 02:07:19 * mranostay facepalms looking at his FB news feed Jan 10 02:08:02 omg prpplague is heere Jan 10 02:08:04 *here Jan 10 02:08:11 hehe, sshhhh Jan 10 02:08:17 now you have to stop talking about me Jan 10 02:39:08 geepers those folks at circuitco are onto it Jan 10 02:47:49 time to work out what i dont' need/want on the beagle Jan 10 02:55:22 hehe Jan 10 02:55:40 time to neuter the beagle Jan 10 02:55:46 ok i'm out of here Jan 10 02:55:51 hehe Jan 10 02:56:06 * mranostay grabs the wirecutters from prpplague Jan 10 02:57:28 ok really gone Jan 10 02:57:57 lates Jan 10 02:57:59 laters **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 10 02:59:59 2013