**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 11 02:59:58 2013 Jan 11 03:00:00 just what we need, cartoons for kids on the toilet Jan 11 03:00:12 Just in case they didn't get enough electronic screen time Jan 11 03:00:44 I see kids that just get handed a screen wherever they are if they're acting up. Jan 11 03:00:58 I know every generation has something that people think is going to ruin kids... Jan 11 03:01:28 but what ever happened to sit down and shut up for a while. that's what I was raised on.. and as a result, now I can't stop talking :) Jan 11 03:03:11 prpplague: you read fox news? :) Jan 11 03:03:58 * prpplague has comment Jan 11 03:05:54 I think their online presence is terrible. Foxnews.com is half TMZ. Really irritating. Jan 11 03:06:06 hehe Jan 11 03:06:10 boarding call! Jan 11 03:06:18 * prpplague logs off Jan 11 03:06:26 pooooooofffffffffffffffff Jan 11 03:16:36 from past experience, he will be back from 30,000 feet hacking on some OSS code. Jan 11 03:17:26 alan_o: ah. I something about stabs being used by Sun for their object format Jan 11 03:17:32 *saw Jan 11 03:22:47 info gcc, and have a look at -g Jan 11 03:24:29 there are the elves exlained Jan 11 04:18:15 anyone planning on going to ELCE 2013? Jan 11 04:24:24 wmat: btw i read that as RPi Kernel Competition :) Jan 11 04:28:23 heh talk of getting r:pi around the office for kiosks Jan 11 04:28:40 god Jan 11 04:28:42 hope they don't expect me to program the kiosk :P Jan 11 04:28:56 mranostay: heh Jan 11 04:29:11 wmat: i was about to troll then i re-read Jan 11 04:29:33 who can git add the most doxygen docs wins? :) Jan 11 04:30:14 mranostay, elc, duh Jan 11 04:30:23 what about scale though? Jan 11 04:30:37 now, now, I may not be able to bit bang with the best of them, but I can form a sentence or two for the team Jan 11 04:30:42 Russ: well i mean the one in Scotland :) Jan 11 04:30:49 mranostay: I'm going Jan 11 04:30:50 oh, elce Jan 11 04:30:54 dunno, when is cfp? Jan 11 04:31:01 now till July iirc Jan 11 04:31:33 if I get accepted for a talk at elc and it goes well, I'll see about submitting the same talk for elce Jan 11 04:32:03 Russ: what's the submission? Jan 11 04:33:41 hibernation on omap Jan 11 04:34:23 i do that occasionally, those chips are warm Jan 11 04:34:51 I'm sure that will get accepted though Jan 11 04:40:08 omap makes me sleepy too Jan 11 04:40:29 I heard TI is killing off omap anyway Jan 11 04:40:40 from my brother's uncles sisters cousins cat Jan 11 04:41:00 ok, ok, I'll use the word 'sitara' instead Jan 11 04:41:07 lol Jan 11 04:41:28 * Russ writes a patch series to 'drop omap' support for the kernel Jan 11 04:41:59 say hell to arch/arm/mach-sitara Jan 11 04:42:01 er, hello Jan 11 04:42:06 Russ, will you capitalize it as a proper name too? because I hear that although ELC is strict about punctuation, ELC-E scrutinizes capitalization Jan 11 04:42:23 you could say they are capitalists Jan 11 04:42:32 do I have to use all the european spellings and units too? Jan 11 04:42:40 and iso formats, etc Jan 11 04:43:02 no, they speak the universal amuricun for us Jan 11 04:43:39 so it's on 10/23 then Jan 11 04:43:47 converting cubits to their weird base 10 system on the fly Jan 11 04:45:37 I'm really thankful france decided to back off the whole metric madness a bit and drop metric time Jan 11 04:47:09 ah beer Jan 11 04:47:23 mranostay, check the bottle, is the volume measured in ounces? Jan 11 04:47:29 The Elixor of Life? Jan 11 04:48:33 mranostay, those 33cl ones rob us of .8 oz of entitlement! Jan 11 04:49:22 gah i forget people that need to declare all vacation in January.. Jan 11 04:49:45 guess i'm going to Edinburgh I hope my talk gets accepted :) Jan 11 04:50:08 have some haggis while you're there! Jan 11 04:50:09 mranostay, that's an odd system Jan 11 04:50:29 Russ: she is a nurse so they need to be sure they know who is taking off Jan 11 04:50:39 i don't think i could deal with that Jan 11 04:52:39 so if you are vacationing in February, you tell the in January, if you are vacationing in December, you tell them in January Jan 11 04:59:59 pretty much Jan 11 06:05:46 ho ho housel Jan 11 06:06:20 uh what the heck android keyboard? Jan 11 06:12:36 prpplague is drunk at the airport bar it seems :) Jan 11 06:12:55 yo ho's in da' house! Jan 11 06:13:08 * mdp throws his wine glass across the channel Jan 11 06:13:08 hehe Jan 11 06:13:11 bed..bbt Jan 11 06:13:30 lax sucks Jan 11 06:13:42 ya it does Jan 11 06:13:44 i'm usually the drunk in here go figure :) Jan 11 06:13:47 never been Jan 11 06:13:55 but at least alaskan air serves good beer Jan 11 06:14:02 should of connected through sky harbor, terminal 4 has 3 foxrc restaurants now Jan 11 06:14:13 prpplague: SJC -> LAX -> DFW? Jan 11 06:14:22 yea Jan 11 06:14:27 mmmmmmmm Jan 11 06:14:31 argh Jan 11 06:14:54 wait, not they have 4 Jan 11 06:15:06 sauce, blanco, olive & ivy, and modern burger Jan 11 06:16:26 http://www.azcentral.com/travel/articles/20121112lowdown-sky-harbor-airport-new-dining-options.html Jan 11 06:16:34 well i have one thing to say about this trip, that $100 for the global entry card has been worth everypenny Jan 11 06:19:03 * prp^2 grumbles Jan 11 06:20:22 at least this bar has some good music Jan 11 06:21:44 prpplague: bieber? Jan 11 06:21:57 hehe Jan 11 06:22:33 stevie ray, santana and led zepplin so far Jan 11 06:22:51 cars now Jan 11 06:23:02 not bad Jan 11 06:23:33 always feels funny when I'm out somewhere and the playlist is like my own. Jan 11 06:23:40 and I thought prpplague rode a horse everywhere! Jan 11 06:23:44 makes me feel like I've got a target painted on me. Jan 11 06:23:48 hehe Jan 11 06:24:44 SJC is not the most useful of airports Jan 11 06:25:07 i love how all these rocks have no clue that led zepplin were all lord of the rings fans BEFORE there was a movie series Jan 11 06:25:26 hehe Jan 11 06:25:27 lol Jan 11 06:25:34 http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6500000/oz-the-wizard-of-oz-6576641-445-334.jpg Jan 11 06:25:36 you mean there was something before the movies?? Jan 11 06:25:39 this is clearly what prpplague takes to work Jan 11 06:25:56 haha Jan 11 06:26:28 nice Jan 11 06:26:39 prpplague: so no fedora? :) Jan 11 06:27:03 PurpleHat Linux? Jan 11 06:27:07 it's like "Dudes! LotR was published in 1954 - there was life before you were born!" Jan 11 06:27:11 not enough radiation was being measured, so the time scale needed to be extended? Jan 11 06:27:39 http://www.google.com/search?q=purple+pimp+hat&hl=en&client=ms-android-boost-us&tbo=d&source=android-launcher-widget&v=133247963&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=iLDvUKzrG-qU2QWsvoCwBg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=320&bih=455#i=8 Jan 11 06:28:02 that is fantastic :-D Jan 11 06:28:12 next elc Jan 11 06:28:21 * XorA will be gone by then :-( Jan 11 06:28:40 why does it quickly disappear when I look? Jan 11 06:30:10 hmm stevie nicks Jan 11 06:30:51 nice now elo Jan 11 06:31:21 which airport you at now? Jan 11 06:32:06 prpplague: telephone Jan 11 06:32:07 ? Jan 11 06:32:33 lax Jan 11 06:32:43 argh.. worst airport in teh world. Jan 11 06:32:53 its just horrible. Jan 11 06:33:01 * emeb_mac once spent the night in LAX after missing a flight. Jan 11 06:33:07 there are worse ones Jan 11 06:33:13 really , liek where? Jan 11 06:33:17 sleeping on the couches while the cleaning crew worked. Jan 11 06:33:20 Paris CDG Jan 11 06:33:31 no.. not even close Jan 11 06:33:45 CDG is 5 star compared to LAX Jan 11 06:33:47 never been to LAX but CDG is aweful Jan 11 06:33:59 i've been to both. Jan 11 06:34:05 CDG is bliss compared to LAX Jan 11 06:34:20 degaul Jan 11 06:34:26 that is the worst Jan 11 06:34:34 degauls and devandals? Jan 11 06:36:07 charles de gaulle airport Jan 11 06:36:10 CDG is made worse because Air France refuse to feed you, then CDG has no food Jan 11 06:36:32 i hate CDG Jan 11 06:36:34 so what's the _best_ airport? Jan 11 06:36:43 SFO is pretty good Jan 11 06:36:47 there is no best just less suck Jan 11 06:36:54 hehe Jan 11 06:37:01 Changi is pretty nice Jan 11 06:37:04 MCO is ok. Jan 11 06:37:14 yes, Singapore is very good Jan 11 06:37:19 i can give a few crappy regional ones if you want :) Jan 11 06:37:25 i like lhr but they keep it too hot Jan 11 06:37:29 Incheon, Jan 11 06:37:46 * mranostay enjoys living next to a real airport Jan 11 06:37:46 Wellington Jan 11 06:38:43 airport cape Jan 11 06:38:48 thats what we need Jan 11 06:38:53 +1 Jan 11 06:38:56 or a flying cape Jan 11 06:39:05 you guys need to plan a uk tour with me a couple weeks before ElCE Jan 11 06:39:13 * XorA could probnably live happilly in AMS :-D Jan 11 06:39:19 it has beer, foods and lego Jan 11 06:39:49 Nuku'alofa Jan 11 06:39:54 thats pretty sux Jan 11 06:40:33 i would go broke in short order in AMS :) Jan 11 06:40:50 everything is just legal there :) Jan 11 06:40:53 xora we are expecting good pub crawls from you for elce Jan 11 06:41:25 prpplague: walk out of door of venue. walk into pub, and repeat Jan 11 06:41:40 hehe Jan 11 06:41:41 prpplague: with a pub every 20 yds in all directions its not hard :-D Jan 11 06:41:44 pub crawl cape? Jan 11 06:41:45 mranostay: i want to try building a PWM source using the PRU.. any advice where and how to start Jan 11 06:42:00 mrpackethead_: why not use the pwm subsystem? Jan 11 06:42:22 xora does that include spirited bar maids? Jan 11 06:42:54 prpplague: well the more "liberal" of dress code bars are all right next to the venue as well :-D Jan 11 06:43:15 hehe Jan 11 06:43:35 i just thought that it woudl be a good exercise in getting my head aroudn the PRU Jan 11 06:43:57 where the venue is can turn into a bit of a street brawl friday/saturday nights after midnight though! Jan 11 06:44:34 mrpackethead_: well if you see my pru code i'm doing a 5 mhz clock at ~50% duty cycle :) Jan 11 06:45:06 prpplague: we do have to go to the Regent and the Auld Hoose though! Jan 11 06:45:19 mmm, what about a 5Hhz varible PWM Jan 11 06:45:24 that i would be very impressed with. Jan 11 06:45:24 prpplague: and I shall find out the other top pubs in the Camra Good Beer guide Jan 11 06:45:41 mrpackethead_: well yes you can it is all software Jan 11 06:45:50 ok. Jan 11 06:45:51 nice Jan 11 06:46:01 so, why did'nt you use the PWM subsystem Jan 11 06:46:11 for the shift register? :) Jan 11 06:46:12 xora do tell i like live music and lots of history Jan 11 06:46:46 prpplague: well if your lucky there will be some gigs about! Jan 11 06:46:50 i'm using the PRU to drive the shift register.. pwm to control brightness and boost converter Jan 11 06:47:24 prpplague: history is harder as Edin pubs tend to change name and managment every 6 months for tax reasons :-) Jan 11 06:47:43 hehe Jan 11 06:48:16 I think only a couple of the trainspotting pubs still exist Jan 11 06:48:17 XorA: "was i drunk or was this a different bar last night?" :) Jan 11 06:48:28 mranostay: its a bit like that at times Jan 11 06:48:39 * XorA really needs to read the book to find the bars Jan 11 06:49:21 pub cape Jan 11 06:49:36 * XorA lives down at the docks, miles away from the center :-D Jan 11 06:51:45 in a van, down by the river, eating a steady diet of government cheese? Jan 11 06:52:50 a day of interogation is starting to wear on me Jan 11 06:53:08 shining lights in your face... Jan 11 06:53:18 prpplague: confess we know you did it! Jan 11 06:53:47 mmm janis joplin Jan 11 06:53:52 did what? Jan 11 06:54:00 I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition! Jan 11 06:54:16 emeb_mac: nobody does Jan 11 06:54:25 so I've heard. Jan 11 06:55:02 first 7 hour interview i ever had Jan 11 06:55:42 prpplague: ouch yeah not looking forward to those out here Jan 11 06:55:46 those are the norm Jan 11 06:56:00 *cough* other than meeting my mother-in-law Jan 11 06:56:53 prpplague: a pub for you https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=pilton+road+edinburgh+pub&hl=en&ll=55.972455,-3.252812&spn=0.006244,0.021136&safe=off&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=pub&hnear=W+Pilton+Rd,+Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh+EH4,+United+Kingdom&t=m&fll=55.972429,-3.251095&fspn=0.006244,0.021136&z=16&layer=c&cbll=55.972455,-3.252812&panoid=dt7qJBzptDnwgOr-CFnWSQ&cbp=12,216.22,,0,-1.28 Jan 11 06:56:54 hehe Jan 11 06:57:06 prpplague: hopefully no 'write some code on this piece of paper' type of things? Jan 11 06:57:10 * dm8tbr hates those Jan 11 06:57:52 it was bad Jan 11 06:57:57 * av500 would write down "hunter2" Jan 11 06:58:04 thats the code! Jan 11 06:58:13 "Call for rates" == can't afford it :) Jan 11 06:59:02 i was like 'rain man', yea writing some code yea code yea code yea writing some code Jan 11 06:59:21 five minutes to wopner. Jan 11 06:59:39 1100100010001001001001001 Jan 11 06:59:52 wopner and null pointer Jan 11 07:00:33 stup Jan 11 07:01:06 stupid is as stupid does mr.lab126 Jan 11 07:03:17 so anyone know of apartments in Mountain View? random i know :) Jan 11 07:03:51 so hopefully no one asked you to give them the codes or show exact steps. Jan 11 07:04:13 mranostay: i know of 199 Jan 11 07:04:52 * prpplague recomends the dumpster behind applebees - it has free wifi and appetizers Jan 11 07:05:11 please refine your search criteria Jan 11 07:05:16 :-D Jan 11 07:05:37 prpplague: oh and I managed to submit in time. Jan 11 07:05:39 Do you require Pets? Jan 11 07:05:46 A pool? Jan 11 07:05:50 Firepalce? Jan 11 07:05:51 on a related note, the CfP form needs a comment field... Jan 11 07:06:19 they tried it - got too many wisecracks Jan 11 07:06:23 * prpplague wanders off to check flight Jan 11 07:06:24 how aobut $900 Jan 11 07:07:06 emeb_mac: well, now my talk submission has this "--- delete before publishing ---" part... :-/ Jan 11 07:07:35 * XorA bets that doesnt get deleted :-D Jan 11 07:07:51 mrpackethead_: $900 in Mountain View are insane? :) Jan 11 07:07:54 should have ended it with a ;DROP TABLE Jan 11 07:08:00 I wrote it so that it would be hilarious if it doesn't :) Jan 11 07:08:03 *you Jan 11 07:08:12 yes, that is very expensive Jan 11 07:08:43 dm8tbr: "No. 1 The Larch" Jan 11 07:08:47 no there nothing that cheap there :) Jan 11 07:09:02 maybe a couch :) Jan 11 07:09:02 IIRC it was something about trolling the audience... Jan 11 07:09:12 http://www.apartmentfinder.com/California/Sunnyvale-Apartments/Orchard-Gardens-Apartments Jan 11 07:43:30 mrpackethead_: yeah i could have done that Jan 11 07:56:50 you could have Jan 11 08:02:11 sali Jan 11 08:04:52 morn' Jan 11 08:16:17 are the PWM devices exposed into the file system Jan 11 08:16:37 mrpackethead_: ah yes with sysfs Jan 11 08:17:24 so, its as simple as writing to the file system to configure what they do? Jan 11 08:17:28 it seems too simple Jan 11 08:18:02 well i have the backlight driver controling it Jan 11 08:18:23 frazera@therecorder:/sys/devices/platform/omap/ehrpwm.0/pwm/ehrpwm.0:0$ ls Jan 11 08:18:23 device duty_ns duty_percent period_freq period_ns polarity power request run subsystem tick_hz uevent Jan 11 08:18:39 yeah that is an non-DT kernel :) Jan 11 08:18:48 non-DT? Jan 11 08:18:49 sorry Jan 11 08:18:52 whats a non-DT? Jan 11 08:19:43 Deivce tree Jan 11 08:21:40 yeah Jan 11 08:21:49 panto: cures cancer right? :) Jan 11 08:33:15 this is most useful Jan 11 08:33:24 and even on a old clunky OS liek this one. Jan 11 09:27:14 packethead cape coming up Jan 11 09:30:00 do i trust myself to program something carefully enough! Jan 11 09:30:23 poor programming will result in things blowing upi. Jan 11 09:36:07 mrpackethead_: what's there to blow up? Jan 11 09:36:15 Some FETS Jan 11 09:36:19 passing 100A Jan 11 09:37:22 im building a PWM / Reversable Current Electroplater Jan 11 09:37:33 i can put some glue logic in the middle Jan 11 09:37:51 to make "impossible things" not happen. Jan 11 09:37:57 be sure to test before putting it all together ;) Jan 11 09:37:59 or "bad" things. Jan 11 09:44:21 there will be a fair amoutn of tweaking and experimenting with code Jan 11 09:44:26 to get the right setup Jan 11 09:44:33 hello every one i recently buy a beaglebone but when i want ton install drivers on windows vista 32Bit i have a "the current language is not supported by the device Driver installation wizard" what can i do to fix this? Jan 11 09:49:22 drivers for what? Jan 11 09:50:08 the ftdi I guess Jan 11 09:50:12 that issue is known Jan 11 09:50:22 jkridner1: ^^^ Jan 11 09:51:50 yes the fdti sorry^^ Jan 11 09:52:14 i'm a newbie in fact... Jan 11 09:53:36 what is your system language? Jan 11 09:53:46 french Jan 11 09:54:19 bonsoir Jan 11 09:54:34 do i have to download an english package for windows? Jan 11 09:54:45 bonjour mrpackethead Jan 11 09:55:02 pilote série ou un widget ethernet? Jan 11 09:56:13 pilote serie Jan 11 09:57:59 http://www.multitech.com/en_us/SUPPORT/Help/resolutions/res5034894.asp?new=true Jan 11 09:58:04 try this Jan 11 09:58:43 thanks i 'm going to try this Jan 11 10:05:19 thank google Jan 11 10:05:27 all I did was to enter your error message above Jan 11 10:09:25 av500, he now praises the iPad! Jan 11 10:10:29 Russ: ? Jan 11 10:10:59 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6vYkJojePs&t=15s Jan 11 10:11:24 ah this one Jan 11 10:29:12 we modified the dpinst with a hex editor and we changed 0x0409 to 0x040C but there is still the same problem... i had linux on my computer is it preferable to use this OS? Jan 11 11:06:49 yeah its friday and the hex editor crew is there Jan 11 11:09:49 TGIF Jan 11 11:10:27 binary xml Jan 11 11:32:01 Yann_: FDTI devices work fine with windows Jan 11 11:32:15 maybe check the FTDI website for a driver that lets you install Jan 11 12:03:10 * av500 needs beer Jan 11 12:04:43 somewhere it's already past 16:00 ;) Jan 11 12:04:52 I do not care Jan 11 12:05:23 I didn't expect you to care Jan 11 12:05:33 love is in the air Jan 11 12:17:47 av500, I will have a beer with you now. however, I don't think there's a good point to meet halfway :( Jan 11 12:29:04 Good Friday morning to the channel Jan 11 12:29:52 * KotH kills bradfa Jan 11 12:30:14 afternoon Jan 11 12:30:15 * bradfa dies Jan 11 12:30:25 * bradfa respawns Jan 11 12:40:41 lunchtime Jan 11 12:48:47 panto exactly Jan 11 12:48:54 pizza will be in oven soon Jan 11 12:57:32 pizza + curry-wurst ? Jan 11 12:57:56 currwurst pizza, you're giving me the wrong ideas... Jan 11 12:58:33 was "Pizza: Sieben Pizzen, die Sie beim Italiener nicht kriegen" Jan 11 13:00:29 dm8tbr actually there exist pizze with currywurst Jan 11 13:00:37 and pizza with doener too Jan 11 13:00:54 http://www.ravintolacastello.fi/menu-card_en.html# check their 'viking pizzas' menu Jan 11 13:00:55 Currywust Pizza, hört sich gut an. Jan 11 13:01:02 that's also some pretty sick stuff Jan 11 13:01:36 BBQ sauce, kebab meat, salami, pepperoni, ham, bacon, chili, minced meat, fresh lemon, american sauce, olive oil Jan 11 13:01:43 AndrevS english please Jan 11 13:06:58 denglish Jan 11 13:11:00 :P Jan 11 13:11:17 hmpf, udlfb is crap Jan 11 13:11:48 aholler framebuffer for? Jan 11 13:12:09 ? Jan 11 13:12:33 i thought the fb in udlfb stands for framebuffer? Jan 11 13:12:42 yes Jan 11 13:12:59 displaylink Jan 11 13:13:02 ah Jan 11 13:13:10 full of bugs Jan 11 13:13:24 back Jan 11 13:13:28 sure its new Jan 11 13:13:34 panto that was fast Jan 11 13:13:40 acox's summary of the quality of the udl drm driver is interesting. Jan 11 13:13:47 mdp, link? Jan 11 13:13:49 it exists since several years Jan 11 13:14:06 mdp: i will check out udl afterwards Jan 11 13:14:29 already fixed a minor thing there, but it still doesn't work ;) Jan 11 13:14:33 ups mixed it with thunderblot Jan 11 13:14:36 sorry Jan 11 13:14:54 so both udl* are bad Jan 11 13:15:19 panto: "leaks like a seeve" ;) Jan 11 13:15:58 aholler time to fix it Jan 11 13:15:59 hehe Jan 11 13:16:08 https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/1/4/155 Jan 11 13:16:29 woglinde: should not be my problem Jan 11 13:16:45 note the strong correlation between usb and suckiness again in this case Jan 11 13:17:36 * mdp departs to drive the taxi Jan 11 13:17:46 mdp protocoll level or the dozen hw workarounds? Jan 11 13:17:57 none of them Jan 11 13:18:25 the drivers are just crap and the fb/vt/console stuff was never written for pluggable fb's Jan 11 13:18:33 usb sucks Jan 11 13:18:43 pass it around plz Jan 11 13:19:01 hi, I've just borrowed a friends beagle A6, installed bone_drv.exe on my windows xp machine and restarted and it still comes up with add new hardware wizards and can't find drivers for it. Is there something I'm missing? Jan 11 13:19:30 panto: usb isn't the proble. it's just harder to work with devices which can disapear Jan 11 13:19:32 paul2 its easier to use linux on the hos too Jan 11 13:19:35 host even Jan 11 13:19:36 usb is fine Jan 11 13:20:00 aholler : "sieve" Jan 11 13:20:03 yeah I'm at work so can't. I get the impression it's just an FTDI chip or is it something more? Jan 11 13:20:16 CareBear\: sieb Jan 11 13:21:01 paul2 than wait you are until home, your employer will not like it that you play with private stuff Jan 11 13:21:13 hah :) Jan 11 13:21:34 aholler, I doubt one would come up with a more complex way to connect devices than USB Jan 11 13:22:16 panto thunderbolt? Jan 11 13:22:34 well, let me rephrase that Jan 11 13:22:50 never allow intel to design anything other than a x86 processor Jan 11 13:23:04 haha Jan 11 13:23:59 * ant_work still has one of the last 'good' Intel MB with serial... Jan 11 13:24:12 it's easy, just make it complicate so that everyone needs big investments to clone it. keeps competion small Jan 11 13:24:39 oh the tales of woes of trying to use USB on anything other than consumer level crap Jan 11 13:27:02 panto, at least USB is somewhat discoverable Jan 11 13:27:19 panto, but I'm not fond of it, either Jan 11 13:28:09 * av500 has a box of IRQ jumpers for you folks Jan 11 13:28:18 av500, gimme Jan 11 13:28:39 panto: lets agree on a DMA channel first! Jan 11 13:28:39 hehe, yes, live before usb was even more horrible Jan 11 13:28:56 aholler, only if you were unfortunate to own a PC Jan 11 13:29:03 other architectures were sane Jan 11 13:29:29 panto: I bet you could install a soundblaster card in a Cray easily :) Jan 11 13:29:43 x86 won, and the tolerance for warts have never left us Jan 11 13:29:49 it even came with a technician Jan 11 13:29:51 * panto <- amiga person Jan 11 13:30:04 I still have a a1000 Jan 11 13:30:04 what is this soundblaster you're talking about Jan 11 13:30:09 aimga is the betamax of computing :) Jan 11 13:30:21 yes, and proud of it :) Jan 11 13:30:27 and it wasn't better Jan 11 13:30:47 if was for a considerable amount of time Jan 11 13:31:12 but when $$$ had to be spend to improve it, the C= chickened out Jan 11 13:31:27 so you've added tons of cards without problems? Jan 11 13:32:01 even attaching a hd was an adventure ;) Jan 11 13:32:35 zorro supported true plug and play a few years before it was even attempted in the PC Jan 11 13:32:51 the a1000 was, ehh, experimental :) Jan 11 13:33:19 let's leave the dead rest please :) Jan 11 13:46:17 anyway, usb normally isn't the problem. bad hw exists everwhere and broken drivers too. Jan 11 13:47:27 the problem with udlfb and udl is, that the manufacturer doesn't seem to care about linux drivers Jan 11 13:51:05 aholler, I find that hard to believe, since a large target audience is android Jan 11 13:51:31 ? Jan 11 13:51:46 isn't that a framebuffer over usb? Jan 11 13:52:09 how many android devices without display do you have seen? Jan 11 13:52:14 isn't it natural to use with android handsets that need a larger screen? Jan 11 13:52:28 aholler, I know they have 'small' display Jan 11 13:52:40 aholler: I think that's an unfair statement...the manufacturer has put a ton of effort into their drivers Jan 11 13:52:43 and it's still usb, you can't compare this with hdm Jan 11 13:52:44 a docking station of sorts might help Jan 11 13:52:44 i Jan 11 13:52:48 "doesn't seem to care" Jan 11 13:53:07 panto, there are a ton of docking stations with displaylink inside Jan 11 13:53:29