**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 18 02:59:59 2013
Jan 18 03:00:41 <mrpackethead_> and reducing the number of different parts is a big saving
Jan 18 03:02:25 <mrpackethead_> im currently trying to get a customer to see why having a touch screen will be an advnatage over some glowing light bulbs and big buttons.
Jan 18 03:11:16 <mrpackethead_> those fets you suggeested ahve a very low Gate Threshold
Jan 18 03:40:10 <toneeee> sometimes you buy a circuit board and there are ICs that have a black rubber or plastic package and they are clearly a part of the board packaging, not meant to be removed. What's the name for that packaging? I've always been curious and never knew.
Jan 18 03:40:35 <toneeee> it's like a round dot of rubber covering the IC package...
Jan 18 03:42:08 <prpplague> toneeee: slang term is called "blob" , but the technical term is "Chip On Board" or CoB
Jan 18 03:42:22 <toneeee> prplague: thank you much
Jan 18 03:42:40 <prpplague> toneeee: in most cases 90% of the cost of an IC is in the cermanic and/or plastic packaging for the silicon
Jan 18 03:43:16 <prpplague> http://elinux.org/Chip_On_Board
Jan 18 03:43:21 <toneeee> danke
Jan 18 03:43:31 <prpplague> hmm i thought i had more info there
Jan 18 03:43:36 * prpplague makes a note to add some
Jan 18 03:44:47 <toneeee> prplague: Thank you much for that site.
Jan 18 03:45:12 <toneeee> between you and XorA, I've made much progress in learning the ropes here.
Jan 18 03:45:45 <toneeee> http://www.dieproducts.org/tutorials/assembly/cob/index.php wow
Jan 18 03:47:49 <prpplague> toneeee: nice find, you should add it to the elinux.org wiki page
Jan 18 03:48:00 <toneeee> Right on! I just need to find wmat
Jan 18 04:01:56 <toneeee> pr: I sent email to get an id to wmat.
Jan 18 04:02:10 <prpplague> toneeee: dandy
Jan 18 04:56:55 <mrpackethead_> the ipfilters led trick is beaufitul.
Jan 18 05:00:35 * mranostay pokes prpplague 
Jan 18 05:01:08 <aholler_> I'll send a bill
Jan 18 05:05:31 <mranostay> ipfilters led trick?
Jan 18 05:27:55 <coldsoup|work> I'm intrigued too. What's with ipfilters and leds?
Jan 18 05:29:40 <aholler> see the dpaste above
Jan 18 05:43:30 <mranostay> woot. nixie display for my gieger cape done for ELC
Jan 18 05:54:31 <Guest29549> Hi all, I have recently bought a beagleboard as well as a beagletouch and beaglejuice. I assembled it all together and yet when I power it on the screen remains dark. Could anyone help me try and figure out what I have done wrong?
Jan 18 06:04:58 <mranostay> prpplague: funny thing is my demo for both talks would be the same almost :D
Jan 18 06:07:36 <mranostay> anyone find cheaper hotels for ELC by chance?
Jan 18 06:07:47 <Russ> I can help you out
Jan 18 06:07:49 <Russ> one sec
Jan 18 06:08:47 <Russ> did you try hotel union square?
Jan 18 06:09:15 <mranostay> Russ: is that where you are staying?
Jan 18 06:09:28 <Russ> no, I'll stay in parc 55
Jan 18 06:09:34 <Russ> stayed there twice, nice hotel
Jan 18 06:09:41 <Russ> I've also stayed in hotel union square
Jan 18 06:09:46 <mranostay> hmm yes it would be if i'd funding :)
Jan 18 06:09:49 <mranostay> *had
Jan 18 06:10:09 <Russ> hotel abri is also nice
Jan 18 06:10:50 <mranostay> i still say we should all get the hostel across the street :P
Jan 18 06:10:58 <Russ> you could also stay in the north shore area and take the bus or trolley in
Jan 18 06:11:06 <mranostay> thank you LC for putting us in the ghetto :)
Jan 18 06:11:43 <Russ> yup, if only we could have the cheap hotel options of oakland
Jan 18 06:11:50 <Russ> wait, you can!
Jan 18 06:11:56 <Russ> stay in oakland, take the bart in!
Jan 18 06:12:26 <mranostay> f*** that i'd just stay at home and train in :)
Jan 18 06:12:44 <mranostay> unless my talk is the first again
Jan 18 06:12:51 <mranostay> then i'd have to stay in SF
Jan 18 06:12:52 <Russ> I used to work at a place that moved their office from north beach to oakland
Jan 18 06:13:03 <Russ> I'd stay in the parc 55 area, and take the bart across the bay
Jan 18 06:13:35 <mranostay> i view this as a vacation anyway...
Jan 18 06:13:51 <mranostay> since my ghetto company requires me to take personal time for conferences
Jan 18 06:17:07 <Russ> lookup the government rate for downtown sf
Jan 18 06:17:20 <Russ> call several hotels, tell them you are traveling on business, and are required to book at the government rate
Jan 18 06:17:37 <Russ> crap, did I say that travel secret outloud?
Jan 18 06:18:28 <coldsoup> lol
Jan 18 06:19:04 <Russ> be sure not to actually say you are a goverment employee, because then they can ask for id at check-in
Jan 18 06:19:27 <Russ> its just a lot of companies set their per diem by gfd/gst
Jan 18 06:21:12 * Russ notes that the government rate for that zipcode right now is $155..nm
Jan 18 06:21:32 <Russ> er wait
Jan 18 06:23:21 <Russ> ya, $155
Jan 18 06:23:26 <Russ> generous
Jan 18 06:26:35 <mranostay> heh
Jan 18 06:27:02 * mranostay makes note to work for a real company in the valley next time :)
Jan 18 06:27:14 <coldsoup> or the government!
Jan 18 06:27:23 <coldsoup> the national labs aren't so bad
Jan 18 06:27:51 <mranostay> Russ: they don't seem to understand if you don't at least give me time off to attend i'm redoubling my job interviewing at ELC :)
Jan 18 06:30:37 <KotH> moin
Jan 18 06:33:50 <mranostay> did it get more swiss and turkish in here?
Jan 18 06:34:19 <mranostay> like a swiss cheese gyro
Jan 18 06:34:28 <emeb_mac> swiss cheese and turkish delight?
Jan 18 06:34:45 * mranostay hands emeb_mac a creeper yellow card
Jan 18 06:35:13 <emeb_mac> err - what's creepy about that? turkish delight is candy.
Jan 18 06:36:16 * mranostay takes back ceeper card
Jan 18 06:36:37 <emeb_mac> whew!
Jan 18 06:36:50 <mranostay> that looks pretty good actually
Jan 18 06:38:54 <KotH> mranostay: is it bad if it gets more swiss/turkish here? :)
Jan 18 06:39:41 <mranostay> hey if get me swiss citzenship? :P
Jan 18 06:39:54 <KotH> that shouldnt be too hard
Jan 18 06:40:16 <KotH> come to .ch, live here for 10a, apply for citizenship, ???, profit
Jan 18 06:40:24 <mranostay> 10a?
Jan 18 06:40:28 <emeb_mac> yr
Jan 18 06:40:32 <KotH> ^^'
Jan 18 06:40:48 <mranostay> 10 years? geez
Jan 18 06:41:04 <emeb_mac> sounds easier than getting US citizenship.
Jan 18 06:41:06 <KotH> mranostay: well, we have to make sure you learn the local language properly
Jan 18 06:41:19 <emeb_mac> german or french?
Jan 18 06:41:40 <aholler> italian
Jan 18 06:41:41 <KotH> swiss german
Jan 18 06:41:46 <mranostay> emeb_mac: well i was born here so easy :)
Jan 18 06:41:47 <KotH> nothing else matters ;)
Jan 18 06:41:56 <_av500_> KotH: http://io9.com/5976941/here-is-why-canadians-are-so-damn-dirty
Jan 18 06:41:58 <_av500_> discuss!!!
Jan 18 06:42:09 <mranostay> no degree which is pain for jobs overseas
Jan 18 06:42:40 <mranostay> and in the US even
Jan 18 06:43:00 <_av500_> mranostay: go to vegas
Jan 18 06:43:16 <mranostay> i've had few interviews end 'so where did you get your degree?'
Jan 18 06:43:18 <emeb_mac> _av500_: because there are so few of them for the landmass apparently.
Jan 18 06:43:31 <mranostay> i'm sure prpplague can relate.....
Jan 18 06:43:58 <_av500_> emeb_mac: the comments are hilarious: we are so few canadian and have so much space for landfill, so who cares.....
Jan 18 06:44:07 <emeb_mac> mranostay: I guess "the school of life" is not the correct answer.
Jan 18 06:44:27 <mranostay> no it isn't
Jan 18 06:44:36 <_av500_> half of the people on g+ have "school of hard knocks" as "education"
Jan 18 06:44:46 <_av500_> it got boring fast
Jan 18 06:44:50 <mranostay> i have some college to be fair
Jan 18 06:45:11 <mranostay> but no chance of finishing unless i have a sugar momma :P
Jan 18 06:45:23 <emeb_mac> google "diploma mill"
Jan 18 06:45:39 <_av500_> mranostay: marry a rich, swiss girl
Jan 18 06:45:47 <emeb_mac> profit!
Jan 18 06:45:59 <mranostay> oh i think swiss girls can be picky
Jan 18 06:45:59 <emeb_mac> eat cheese!
Jan 18 06:46:15 <mranostay> not like it is some ukrainian or indian girl
Jan 18 06:46:26 <emeb_mac> most all girls _can_ be picky.
Jan 18 06:46:31 <_av500_> mranostay: for all that matters, marry a rich ukranian girl
Jan 18 06:46:40 <KotH> mranostay: well... it's all a matter on how you sell yourself
Jan 18 06:47:06 <KotH> mranostay: and usually you dont want to work in a company that puts more importance into your degree than what you can actually do
Jan 18 06:47:07 <mranostay> KotH: have female friends that are into american college dropouts? :)
Jan 18 06:47:18 <emeb_mac> maybe slovak girls? they'd know how to spell your name.
Jan 18 06:47:27 * _av500_ hums "teenage dirtbag"
Jan 18 06:47:27 <mranostay> cute
Jan 18 06:47:41 * mranostay stabs _av500_ repeatly
Jan 18 06:47:48 <_av500_> mranostay: the song has a happy end
Jan 18 06:47:56 <_av500_> and no, you do not stab me
Jan 18 06:47:57 <emeb_mac> it is a cute song
Jan 18 06:48:02 <_av500_> that's only for elenril
Jan 18 06:48:26 <_av500_> emeb_mac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw8ZDwdyHJQ
Jan 18 06:48:52 <emeb_mac> _av500_: priceless
Jan 18 06:49:11 <_av500_> mranostay: 1) circle "inpirational quotes" and "love quotes" on G+
Jan 18 06:49:16 <_av500_> 2) reshare early, reshare often
Jan 18 06:49:20 <_av500_> 3) engage
Jan 18 06:49:22 <_av500_> 4) profit
Jan 18 06:49:22 <KotH> mranostay: some of my friends are dropouts :)
Jan 18 06:49:39 <KotH> mranostay: actually some of the smarter ones are... they have been too smart for uni ^^'
Jan 18 06:50:07 <KotH> _av500_: the waste isnt _my_ fault
Jan 18 06:50:25 * KotH doesnt even fill a 35l bag in a month
Jan 18 06:51:22 <mranostay> KotH: my point is they won't let me work there without a degree :)
Jan 18 06:51:35 <KotH> mranostay: i'm not so sure about that
Jan 18 06:52:04 <XorA|gone> buy a degree, its easier :-D
Jan 18 06:52:06 * KotH knows one guy, who didnt have a degree, but worked as a sysadmin and was making enough money that he could afford to fly to .za over weekend.... every weekend!
Jan 18 06:52:28 <mranostay> my problem is i'm a master of nothing.. i know a little of everything though
Jan 18 06:52:41 <mranostay> av500: +1 on song
Jan 18 06:52:48 <KotH> mranostay: but yes, you will not be able to enter a job at a bank w/o a degree.. but as i said, you dont want to work there
Jan 18 06:52:57 <mranostay> i don't
Jan 18 06:53:42 <mranostay> i'm never going to rich working for a company (sure as fuck don't want to work for a bank), but i love not to hate my boss and job :)
Jan 18 06:54:02 <woglinde_> yes yes
Jan 18 06:54:13 <KotH> grüezi woglinde_
Jan 18 06:54:33 <woglinde_> haha nice story
Jan 18 06:54:46 <woglinde_> about the guy who outsourced his job to china
Jan 18 06:54:53 <mranostay> hehe
Jan 18 06:55:01 <woglinde_> but how stupid to send the etoken theire
Jan 18 06:55:08 <mranostay> could have done that smarter btw :)
Jan 18 06:55:32 <mranostay> i would have had the chinese dude tunnel through me
Jan 18 06:55:45 <mranostay> also if i still had to go the office wtf is the point?
Jan 18 06:55:50 <woglinde> same stupid as the cyberstalking of this army slut
Jan 18 06:56:09 <KotH> cyberstalking armyslut?
Jan 18 06:56:12 <mranostay> linky-poo?
Jan 18 06:56:25 <woglinde> former cia chef
Jan 18 06:56:30 <mranostay> linky-poo?
Jan 18 06:56:42 <emeb_mac> cooking in the cia?
Jan 18 06:58:49 <emeb_mac> mranostay: I think he means petraeus getting caught in adultery.
Jan 18 06:59:30 <woglinde> yes
Jan 18 06:59:55 <woglinde> pssst no names
Jan 18 07:00:03 <Russ> great, now I have new work music...the ukulele orchestra
Jan 18 07:00:47 <emeb_mac> that's a real toe-tapper there all righty.
Jan 18 07:01:09 <woglinde> russ haha
Jan 18 07:01:10 <aholler> mranostay: jobs didn't have a degree too
Jan 18 07:01:23 <_av500_> Russ: :-P
Jan 18 07:01:33 <mranostay> aholler: what jobs?
Jan 18 07:01:40 <_av500_> steve jobs
Jan 18 07:01:56 <emeb_mac> he didn't have a degree either
Jan 18 07:02:07 <_av500_> he had karma
Jan 18 07:02:12 <_av500_> and woz
Jan 18 07:02:17 <emeb_mac> mranostay: go for the black turtleneck & mom-jeans look.
Jan 18 07:02:58 <mranostay> heh i'm sure that doesn't work 100% of time :)
Jan 18 07:03:04 * emeb_mac once passed Craig Barrett in the hall & noticed he was dressed like Steve Jobs too.
Jan 18 07:07:42 <_av500_> KotH: maybe not your fault....but!
Jan 18 07:07:54 <_av500_> why?
Jan 18 07:08:18 * KotH has no clue
Jan 18 07:08:46 <KotH> though, i wonder whether they split out recycled and bio degradeble stuff out
Jan 18 07:09:39 <_av500_> dont try to confuse us with facts
Jan 18 07:09:40 <KotH> 'cause i know that .ch does produce so little trash that has to be burned compared to the 80s, that some of the burning facilities had to be closed in the last 20 years
Jan 18 07:12:14 <aholler> here they have to add oil or similiar because the trash doesn't contain enough flammable stuff like plastic anymore
Jan 18 07:13:54 <XorA|gone> aholler: that just sounds wrong :-D
Jan 18 07:14:27 <aholler> I don't live in frane
Jan 18 07:15:37 <aholler> we collect paper and plastic separately
Jan 18 07:15:43 <_av500_> XorA|gone: not enough paper in the trash any more
Jan 18 07:15:49 <_av500_> so it does not burn that good
Jan 18 07:16:46 <XorA|gone> deep fry it and feed it to people
Jan 18 07:16:53 <_av500_> XorA|gone: shhh
Jan 18 07:17:06 <_av500_> XorA|gone: they must not know....
Jan 18 07:17:33 <XorA|gone> would be a delicacy in Scotland
Jan 18 07:18:41 <emeb_mac> mmm... crunchy!
Jan 18 07:19:38 <mranostay> hmmm no pay notice from ADP
Jan 18 07:20:07 <emeb_mac> ooooh - bad sign.
Jan 18 07:20:21 <_av500_> adp?
Jan 18 07:20:27 <mranostay> no shit
Jan 18 07:20:28 <emeb_mac> there'll be a note at your desk in the morning to go see HR
Jan 18 07:20:51 <mranostay> emeb_mac: or more like nobody can get in
Jan 18 07:21:13 <emeb_mac> I know people to whom that has happened.
Jan 18 07:26:44 * mranostay triples checks this is every other weeks
Jan 18 07:27:20 <mranostay> oh well if isn't in there in the morning i won't be going in :)
Jan 18 07:34:32 <mranostay> *whew* adp sit says it is being processed
Jan 18 07:36:21 <mranostay> that 2% tax break in Social Security is noticable now
Jan 18 07:45:34 <_av500_> your $3/hour?
Jan 18 07:47:14 <mranostay> _av500_: heh no
Jan 18 07:53:36 <Russ> as far as ELC goes, what happens on the 22nd?
Jan 18 07:57:00 <aholler> XorA|gone: http://www.amiexpat.com/2008/03/10/sorting-trash-in-germany/
Jan 18 08:00:13 <XorA|gone> aholler: not much different from my place, but then the local government takes it away and throws it in a landfill anyway
Jan 18 08:03:15 <aholler> Doesn't seem to happen here. I have learned that thing with the needed additive from an article about the local garbage incineration where they said that changed in the last years.
Jan 18 08:03:40 <XorA|gone> aholler: Edinburgh gets fined every month for failing to meet even the low EU standards
Jan 18 08:04:11 <XorA|gone> anyway sleep time hre
Jan 18 08:13:23 <mrpackethead_> oh...
Jan 18 08:13:26 <aholler> I haven't forgotten that because it's a bit catch-22, we are sorting all kind of stuff to save resources, but then we have to use oil
Jan 18 08:13:42 <mrpackethead_> whos workign for $3.00/hr
Jan 18 08:13:47 <mrpackethead_> i'll pay $6.00
Jan 18 08:47:28 <Russ> wow, tripit is smart
Jan 18 08:47:30 <Russ> http://i.imgur.com/6zPj7.jpg
Jan 18 08:59:16 <Russ> ok, I just had X die, and all the stuff I had typed was on the tty7 behind it
Jan 18 08:59:40 <Russ> that seems like a bad thingâ„¢
Jan 18 08:59:57 <av500> dm8tbr: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5077459
Jan 18 09:03:39 <av500> dm8tbr: https://github.com/kumadasu/tizen-history/blob/master/tizen-history.pdf
Jan 18 09:05:49 <panto> hi Russ
Jan 18 09:05:55 <panto> hi av500^Wtroll
Jan 18 09:09:20 <dm8tbr> av500: yeah, I know that history pdf. linking old mer and new mer is a bit weird though. they only share a name
Jan 18 09:18:29 <Russ> hey panto
Jan 18 09:19:05 <Russ> weird, I just noticed that the word 'dub' is a happy guy listening to music
Jan 18 09:20:11 <Dunearhp_> I've managed to compile and install a console-image install. It brings up a login prompt but when I type root it just returns to the login prompt
Jan 18 09:20:17 <Dunearhp_> any suggestions?
Jan 18 09:21:00 <panto> Dunearhp_, that sounds oddly familiar
Jan 18 09:22:16 <panto> http://damienkatz.net/2013/01/the_unreasonable_effectiveness_of_c.html <- just seen it
Jan 18 09:26:08 <KotH> Dunearhp_: check whether root has a shell and whether it can be executed
Jan 18 09:26:17 <KotH> Dunearhp_: oh..and being execute doesnt return imediatly
Jan 18 09:26:38 <panto> boot using init=/bin/sh if need be
Jan 18 09:33:47 <Russ> prpplague, there you go http://jasonevanish.com/2013/01/17/25-things-i-wish-i-knew-before-moving-to-san-francisco/
Jan 18 09:56:09 <Dunearhp_> KotH: It is busybox, can't see any obvious causes
Jan 18 10:20:08 <ynezz> Dunearhp_: systemd to blame?
Jan 18 10:20:24 <av500> of course
Jan 18 10:20:55 <ynezz> plug & pray!
Jan 18 10:32:50 <Dunearhp_> Likely, not familiar enough with it to debug it. Don't have the log 'journal' reading program on my desktop, so the logs are essentially opaque.
Jan 18 10:33:30 <Dunearhp_> I'm compiling a gnome system image, hopefully that won't give me a similar problem
Jan 18 10:34:49 <ynezz> no, that's sure
Jan 18 10:35:14 <ynezz> maybe dozen different ones, but there's enough images to keep you going during the whole weekend :p
Jan 18 10:35:59 <Dunearhp_> and to think, this project was only due last week
Jan 18 10:36:24 <ynezz> we've some projects due 2 years
Jan 18 10:36:27 <ynezz> so don't worry
Jan 18 11:42:57 <aholler> amg, a picture in a pdf in git.
Jan 18 11:43:26 <mru> picture coded how?
Jan 18 11:43:47 <mru> jpeg photo of printout of svg?
Jan 18 11:44:02 <aholler> öppls like graphviz, that url above from av500 with the tizen history
Jan 18 11:44:18 <aholler> uups s/öppls/looks/
Jan 18 11:45:38 <av500> I like ööpls
Jan 18 11:45:40 <av500> öppls
Jan 18 11:48:42 <ogra_> ++ for öppls !
Jan 18 12:07:09 <LetoThe2nd> \o/ öppls
Jan 18 12:09:56 <jkridner> gm all
Jan 18 12:11:39 <panto> hi jkridner
Jan 18 12:11:46 <LetoThe2nd> \o/ our chief öppl has arrived!
Jan 18 12:31:34 <aholler> calling C highly productive is odd.
Jan 18 12:33:24 <av500> there is always c++ for moar higher
Jan 18 12:34:38 <aholler> c++, escpecially the stl it comes with, is great.
Jan 18 12:35:17 * panto disagrees and goes to grab lunch 
Jan 18 12:35:32 <av500> +1
Jan 18 12:40:26 <mdp> c++ will be highly productive tomorrow
Jan 18 12:41:41 <aholler> just put some strings (or however you want to call them in C) in a hashed set in C.
Jan 18 12:42:08 <KotH> aholler: outsource that to china
Jan 18 12:42:16 <KotH> aholler: faster than writing yourself in c++
Jan 18 12:42:37 <aholler> never
Jan 18 12:42:51 <KotH> it is
Jan 18 12:42:54 <av500> aholler: easy, use strings as filenames and let the filesystem handle it for you :)
Jan 18 12:42:57 <KotH> we have proof!
Jan 18 12:43:19 <av500> language war!
Jan 18 12:43:20 <av500> fight!
Jan 18 12:43:37 <mdp> fatality!
Jan 18 12:43:45 <LetoThe2nd> bavarian rules all, hence any language war is futile.
Jan 18 12:44:21 <av500> I think C++ is stupid because I have to put extern "C" everywhere!!!!
Jan 18 12:44:25 <KotH> PERL! the only language that can be written by rolling an armadillo over your keyboard!
Jan 18 12:44:36 <bradfa> good Friday to the channel
Jan 18 12:44:53 <Crofton|work> someone is milking the MUSB for omap driver
Jan 18 12:44:57 <aholler> still better than getting things broken by tabs
Jan 18 12:44:58 <KotH> good friday to you to, user
Jan 18 12:45:13 <av500> Crofton|work: ?
Jan 18 12:45:27 <Crofton|work> it seems like there are always patches being psted to it
Jan 18 12:45:35 <av500> of course
Jan 18 12:45:35 * KotH would milk a cow
Jan 18 12:45:42 <KotH> but that's probably just my swiss side
Jan 18 12:45:50 <Crofton|work> can't they ever finish it
Jan 18 12:46:00 <aholler> write it new
Jan 18 12:46:04 <av500> Crofton|work: take it out back and shoot it
Jan 18 12:46:18 <Crofton|work> how American
Jan 18 12:46:37 <av500> well, stab it to death
Jan 18 12:47:01 <av500> or bore it to death be reading the 2nd amendment
Jan 18 12:47:03 <av500> by*
Jan 18 12:47:16 <Crofton|work> hmm, you must see my facebook page
Jan 18 12:47:22 <av500> i must not
Jan 18 12:47:29 <av500> sec
Jan 18 12:47:37 <KotH> Crofton|work: av500 is g+ only
Jan 18 12:47:45 <KotH> Crofton|work: nothing else runs on his tablets
Jan 18 12:47:54 <aholler> is musb used an the am1808 too?
Jan 18 12:48:30 <aholler> s/an/on/, need coffee
Jan 18 12:49:13 <av500> Crofton|work: sorry, ma fb password is at home I think
Jan 18 12:49:45 <av500> it might be under my home
Jan 18 12:50:14 <av500> pouring the foundation was a good time to get rid of ..... stuff
Jan 18 12:52:12 <aholler> it is :(
Jan 18 12:52:19 <KotH> av500: the phrase "leichen im keller" gets a whole new meaning :)
Jan 18 12:52:56 <mdp> aholler: yes
Jan 18 12:53:23 <mdp> aholler: there's an OHCI on am1808 and then the musb is the only source of usb 2.0edness
Jan 18 12:55:36 <av500> jolly good
Jan 18 12:58:50 <mdp> av500, that's not been my experience with either usb on that platform...but..it's friday and I understand your exhuberance
Jan 18 12:59:03 * mdp bounces
Jan 18 13:02:21 <panto> back
Jan 18 13:05:24 <aholler> mayb bitbanging usb 2.0 is an option ;)
Jan 18 13:05:31 <mru> like on the n900
Jan 18 13:06:51 <aholler> nokia did that?
Jan 18 13:07:00 <mru> yes
Jan 18 13:07:01 <mru> ask dm8tbr
Jan 18 13:07:44 <aholler> I'll have one too, but never played much the usb stuff on it. I'm just using it for charging
Jan 18 13:07:46 <dm8tbr> hwut?
Jan 18 13:08:02 <dm8tbr> it was not Nokia, it was the community
Jan 18 13:08:17 <mru> whatever
Jan 18 13:08:19 <mru> it was done
Jan 18 13:08:23 <dm8tbr> the HW design was f*ked up so that native host mode would not work
Jan 18 13:08:24 <mru> that's what counts
Jan 18 13:08:33 <mru> and _that_ nokia did
Jan 18 13:08:37 <dm8tbr> so they worked around by bitbanging USB in test mode
Jan 18 13:08:40 <dm8tbr> yes
Jan 18 13:33:57 <av500> YES!: https://plus.google.com/112157387623314703001/posts/hEoJd3pccyb
Jan 18 13:34:17 <aholler> considering that bitbanging usb 1.0 is no problem on slow avr's, it might be an option for faster processors.
Jan 18 13:35:08 <mru> aholler: have you ever noticed how much cpu time usb tends to eat even when not bitbanging it?
Jan 18 13:35:19 <aholler> no
Jan 18 13:35:21 <panto> usb sucks
Jan 18 13:35:26 <panto> film at 11
Jan 18 13:36:29 <aholler> usally usb just works here on most machines. And I never have seen anything which eats up load which I would count to usb.
Jan 18 13:37:22 <panto> aholler, you haven't tried to pump out too much data out of it with a relatively low end CPU
Jan 18 13:38:27 <aholler> my dockstar (armv5) uses usb-disks only. But I'm unable to compare the load with what it would be with sata or similiar
Jan 18 13:39:13 <aholler> but it is able to do 25mb/s
Jan 18 13:39:40 <jackmitchell> koen: I've been using 3.8-rc4 from your cco-tree today and I've seen some irregularities. The bone quite often dies and I assume it is a kernel issue as it hard locks and the heartbeat leds stop
Jan 18 13:40:12 <jackmitchell> koen: I haven't managed to diagnose it yet, but will keep trying. Have you seen anything similar?
Jan 18 13:42:25 <panto> jackmitchell, on usb power or DC jack?
Jan 18 13:43:14 <jackmitchell> panto: usb from a 1amp transformer
Jan 18 13:43:19 <koen> jackmitchell: yes, but using DC power seem to help
Jan 18 13:43:44 <panto> what koen said
Jan 18 13:43:49 <jackmitchell> koen: ok, I'll switch to my DC and see if it happens again
Jan 18 13:45:22 <mru> koen: why do those boards pretend to support usb power when it doesn't actually work?
Jan 18 13:46:14 <panto> mru, they do support usb power - there could be something wrong with the regulator settings
Jan 18 13:46:28 <panto> 3.8-rc4 <- alpha kernel
Jan 18 13:46:35 <panto> here be dragons
Jan 18 13:48:04 <aholler> but already rc4
Jan 18 13:50:09 <koen> jackmitchell: fwiw, the usb part is current limited, so having more than 800mA is not going to help
Jan 18 13:50:29 <panto> aholler, I mean the TI parts are alpha
Jan 18 13:51:24 <aholler> ah, ok.
Jan 18 13:55:14 <jackmitchell> panto: koen: there seems to be a trend here, I haven't switched over to DC yet, but I will now. However perf record terminating crashes the bone everytime
Jan 18 13:58:15 <jackmitchell> and the same on DC
Jan 18 13:58:46 <jackmitchell> will hook it up to the ftdi and see if it spits anything useful out before death
Jan 18 13:59:31 <aholler> you're talking about dying kernels without having the serial attached?
Jan 18 13:59:49 <aholler> sounds like a plan ;)
Jan 18 14:00:12 <jackmitchell> sure am, using the heartbeat led as an initial indicator (before I move my lazy self to the other side of the room to hook up ;) )
Jan 18 14:01:18 <jackmitchell> ok, nothing useful spat out over ftdi either
Jan 18 14:02:32 <aholler> and you have console=tty* in the kernel cmdline?
Jan 18 14:03:59 <jackmitchell> console=ttyO0,115200n8 consoleblank=0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ro rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
Jan 18 14:05:37 <aholler> my experience was that the hardbeat-led was pretty resistent against most kernel bugs and it now just stops when the kernel enters his panic-routines, which means he likely spits out something
Jan 18 14:06:13 <aholler> so it looks like something fails hard
Jan 18 14:09:30 <jackmitchell> indeed
Jan 18 14:09:49 <jackmitchell> I think i'm going to have to build an earlier kernel and confirm it doesn;t happen there and go from that
Jan 18 14:10:01 <aholler> try to enable lock debuging
Jan 18 14:10:19 <jackmitchell> ok will try and find it in the config
Jan 18 14:10:47 <aholler> it's below kernel-hacking
Jan 18 14:13:13 <aholler> all that kernel-debug-stuff got pretty usable.
Jan 18 14:13:50 <jackmitchell> CONFIG_DEBUG_SPINLOCK=y
Jan 18 14:13:50 <jackmitchell> CONFIG_DEBUG_MUTEXES=y
Jan 18 14:13:50 <jackmitchell> # CONFIG_DEBUG_LOCK_ALLOC is not set
Jan 18 14:13:50 <jackmitchell> # CONFIG_PROVE_LOCKING is not set
Jan 18 14:14:07 <aholler> rcu is missing
Jan 18 14:14:20 <aholler> and enable prove locking
Jan 18 14:14:25 <av500> and wake locking
Jan 18 14:14:33 <aholler> thats android
Jan 18 14:14:54 <aholler> or is it used by other stuff now too?
Jan 18 14:15:11 <mru> av500: wakelock, is that what your kids do to you?
Jan 18 14:15:12 <jackmitchell> rcu_trace and prove_locking?
Jan 18 14:16:20 <aholler> trace sounds like trace
Jan 18 14:16:34 <aholler> buzt probe locking is good
Jan 18 14:16:46 <aholler> but prove
Jan 18 14:17:28 <aholler> config_prove_rcu
Jan 18 14:18:06 <jackmitchell> I don't seem to have a prove_rcu
Jan 18 14:18:40 <aholler> it gets visible with CONFIG_PROVE_LOCKING
Jan 18 14:18:55 <aholler> at least with 3.7
Jan 18 14:21:02 <jackmitchell> Ok, we're in I'll try transfering it over and see how it goes
Jan 18 14:27:13 <jackmitchell> ok same issue and no more info with the perf record hard locking the kernel, however
Jan 18 14:27:21 <jackmitchell> the RCU locking debug did throw this up:
Jan 18 14:27:22 <jackmitchell> [    2.321123] ===============================
Jan 18 14:27:22 <jackmitchell> [    2.325591] [ INFO: suspicious RCU usage. ]
Jan 18 14:27:22 <jackmitchell> [    2.330063] 3.8.0-rc4-00291-gbb85e3f-dirty #2 Not tainted
Jan 18 14:27:22 <jackmitchell> [    2.335805] -------------------------------
Jan 18 14:27:22 <jackmitchell> [    2.340270] drivers/base/power/opp.c:157 suspicious rcu_dereference_check() usage!
Jan 18 14:27:22 <jackmitchell> [    2.348285]
Jan 18 14:27:22 <jackmitchell> other info that might help us debug this:
Jan 18 14:27:23 <jackmitchell> [    2.356769]
Jan 18 14:27:24 <jackmitchell> rcu_scheduler_active = 1, debug_locks = 1
Jan 18 14:27:24 <jackmitchell> [    2.363727] no locks held by swapper/0/1.
Jan 18 14:27:25 <jackmitchell> [    2.368006]
Jan 18 14:27:25 <jackmitchell> stack backtrace:
Jan 18 14:27:26 <jackmitchell> [    2.372707] [<c0013678>] (unwind_backtrace+0x0/0xe0) from [<c03475bc>] (opp_get_voltage+0x78/0xc8)
Jan 18 14:27:54 <jackmitchell> which could possibly be related to the power issues
Jan 18 14:28:20 <aholler> just ignore that, i have that with 3.7 too
Jan 18 14:28:24 <jackmitchell> ah ok
Jan 18 14:28:26 <aholler> so nothing changed there ;)
Jan 18 14:28:47 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, how did you see this?
Jan 18 14:28:56 <panto> jackmitchell, is that with CPUFREQ on?
Jan 18 14:28:58 <aholler> config_prove_rcu
Jan 18 14:29:05 <NishanthMenon> opp.c has'nt added new patches recently
Jan 18 14:29:59 <Niraj> Hello my beagleboard-xm is not booting. Can anyone help>
Jan 18 14:30:00 <Niraj> ?
Jan 18 14:30:02 <jackmitchell> panto: I'm not sure, Koens deafult config with a few locking debus options enabled
Jan 18 14:30:51 <jackmitchell> it does look like CPUFREQ is on from the .config
Jan 18 14:31:37 <aholler> I had a quick look at that bug haven't seen the problem without digging much.
Jan 18 14:32:33 <aholler> it just might be suspicious, whatever that means
Jan 18 14:33:12 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, aholler -> it does seem from the log the issue is as follows:
Jan 18 14:33:26 <NishanthMenon> a) opp_deference(opp) must be done under rcu_readlock
Jan 18 14:33:55 <Niraj> When dc power is connected the TPS65950 heats up to more than 50C
Jan 18 14:34:08 <Niraj> but the linux is not booting
Jan 18 14:34:19 <NishanthMenon> so the real usage is:  rcu_read_lock; opp_find... ; get_voltage; get_freq; rcu_read_unlock
Jan 18 14:34:24 <aholler> Niraj: have read that, I think I've also seen some rejected patch which tried to fix that
Jan 18 14:34:34 <aholler> NishanthMenon: ^^
Jan 18 14:35:03 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, the usage looks:  rcu_read_lock; opp_find... ; rcu_read_unlock; get_voltage; get_freq
Jan 18 14:35:20 <Niraj> aholler : can you please help and let me know what to do?
Jan 18 14:35:26 <jackmitchell> ok, the the unlock should be after the get_voltage and get_freq?
Jan 18 14:35:34 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, yes
Jan 18 14:35:37 <aholler> NishanthMenon: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/879022/
Jan 18 14:35:55 <panto> Niraj, have you tried with an known good image?
Jan 18 14:36:07 <Niraj> yes
Jan 18 14:36:11 <panto> do you see any u-boot message?
Jan 18 14:36:18 <Niraj> panto : yes
Jan 18 14:36:28 <panto> ok, what is the Linux boot log?
Jan 18 14:36:51 <aholler> NishanthMenon: you nacked that ;)
Jan 18 14:36:58 <Niraj> panto: the mmc leds are not turning on at all
Jan 18 14:37:01 <NishanthMenon> as documented in http://goo.gl/LTtdq line 235
Jan 18 14:37:21 <Niraj> panto: I checked the verification test point voltages
Jan 18 14:37:25 <NishanthMenon> aholler, that IS WRONG
Jan 18 14:37:39 <NishanthMenon> the patch you pointed is obviously wrong
Jan 18 14:37:44 <Niraj> pant: except for VBAT and VUSB all other are at 0V
Jan 18 14:37:45 <NishanthMenon> think this way:
Jan 18 14:38:06 <NishanthMenon> rcu readlock is meant to protect a range of code where the pointers protected by rcu will be sane
Jan 18 14:38:06 <aholler> NishanthMenon: ah, I read it such that the bug is only suspicious
Jan 18 14:38:21 <aholler> therefor I haven't looked further
Jan 18 14:38:23 <NishanthMenon> the pointer protected is opp pointer
Jan 18 14:38:33 <NishanthMenon> so you get find_opp opp pointer
Jan 18 14:38:37 <NishanthMenon> then you do rcu_unlock
Jan 18 14:38:50 <NishanthMenon> the pointer is no longer maintained safe by rcu
Jan 18 14:39:08 <NishanthMenon> then one goes get_voltage on a pointer that is no longer ssafe by rcu? that is dumb
Jan 18 14:39:56 <panto> where are you pulling your u-boot image from if not from mmc?
Jan 18 14:40:02 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, if you point at the full stack trace, we can catch the culprit code
Jan 18 14:40:07 <NishanthMenon> and probably be able to see the fix
Jan 18 14:40:36 <aholler> NishanthMenon: I haven't had a look at the patch, I just misunderstood your nack and regarded the bug just as suspicous ;)
Jan 18 14:40:56 <NishanthMenon> aholler, np, happens.. i try to keep a close track on opp code :D
Jan 18 14:40:57 <Niraj> punto: I am pulling the u-boot from mmc but unfortunately the beagleboad is not starting up and reading the mmc
Jan 18 14:41:06 <jackmitchell> NishanthMenon: how would I do that?
Jan 18 14:41:14 <NishanthMenon> the stack dump
Jan 18 14:41:22 <jackmitchell> I'm perusing through pm.c in mach-omap2 at the monet
Jan 18 14:41:24 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, pastebin the stack dump
Jan 18 14:41:29 <jackmitchell> s/monet/moment
Jan 18 14:41:32 <panto> you haven't provided a log
Jan 18 14:42:01 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, " [    2.372707] [<c0013678>] (unwind_backtrace+0x0/0xe0) from [<c03475bc>] (opp_get_voltage+0x78/0xc8)" -> id like to see remaining stack trace as well
Jan 18 14:42:23 <Niraj> punto: can you tell me how can I pull out the log from the sdcard?
Jan 18 14:42:32 <jackmitchell> NishanthMenon: http://pastebin.com/6Y0bpCFi
Jan 18 14:42:49 <NishanthMenon> aha cpu0_cpufreq_driver_init
Jan 18 14:43:23 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, k.org?
Jan 18 14:44:11 <jackmitchell> sorry?
Jan 18 14:44:51 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, never mind, I am fixing it
Jan 18 14:44:56 <NishanthMenon> hold on a few mins for a patch
Jan 18 14:45:15 * NishanthMenon wonders how this escaped my mail filters :(
Jan 18 14:45:30 <aholler> NishanthMenon: http://dpaste.de/5j4qX/
Jan 18 14:45:43 <aholler> looks a bit more verbose, that is what I had
Jan 18 14:45:58 * NishanthMenon grumbles that people dont read documentation!
Jan 18 14:46:05 <NishanthMenon> aholler, that looks like a different buyg
Jan 18 14:46:06 <NishanthMenon> hold on
Jan 18 14:46:13 <NishanthMenon> will fix that as well
Jan 18 14:46:23 <aholler> uups, yes
Jan 18 14:46:59 <aholler> mom, I look if I still have the bug saved in another file ;)
Jan 18 14:47:01 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, http://pastebin.com/uaVgS19N
Jan 18 14:47:08 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, try that and let me know
Jan 18 14:47:28 <NishanthMenon> found another issue beyond driver_init
Jan 18 14:48:52 <NishanthMenon> aholler, http://pastebin.com/rSX9KpDG
Jan 18 14:48:56 <NishanthMenon> try that out please
Jan 18 14:49:23 <NishanthMenon> aholler, jackmitchell can you /msg your full name and mail id so that I can add "reported-by:" to upstream
Jan 18 14:49:30 <NishanthMenon> and ofcourse CC you in the patches?
Jan 18 14:49:36 <aholler> hmm, work ;)
Jan 18 14:50:02 <NishanthMenon> aholler, :D
Jan 18 14:50:16 * NishanthMenon grumbles
Jan 18 14:50:20 <aholler> I will need some time, still at 3.2.x nothing above boots from ehci here ;)
Jan 18 14:52:04 <NishanthMenon> aholler, np, just drop me a note sometime when you get free . my email id is in signed-off-by and from in http://goo.gl/fDaZy
Jan 18 14:52:54 * NishanthMenon decides to audit and fix entire k.org 3.8-rc4
Jan 18 14:52:55 <NishanthMenon> :(
Jan 18 14:53:04 <NishanthMenon> at least for opp usage
Jan 18 14:54:12 <jackmitchell> NishanthMenon: I can confirm that the patch fixes (or at least silences :P) the error
Jan 18 14:54:29 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, as I expected..
Jan 18 14:54:37 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, someone forgot to RTFM
Jan 18 14:55:03 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, if you are interested in reported-by and a tested-by tag, drop me a note
Jan 18 14:55:37 <jackmitchell> NishanthMenon: you should have just had it through on pm?
Jan 18 14:55:50 <NishanthMenon> ??
Jan 18 14:56:11 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, i did not understand
Jan 18 14:56:17 <jackmitchell> NishanthMenon: obviosuly not playing ball today: jack at embed dot me dot uk
Jan 18 14:56:26 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, thanks
Jan 18 14:56:53 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, one more minor question: tested on beagle XM?
Jan 18 14:57:01 <jackmitchell> just beaglebone
Jan 18 14:57:07 <NishanthMenon> jackmitchell, thanks
Jan 18 14:57:16 <NishanthMenon> will post patch in a few mins and cc you
Jan 18 14:57:21 <jackmitchell> np
Jan 18 14:58:32 <aholler> btw. don't know if it counts to opp, but vaux2 is still missing a regulator
Jan 18 14:59:13 <aholler> I think everything from beagle c4 upwards uses it for vdd_ehci
Jan 18 14:59:18 <NishanthMenon> aholler, wont count as opp thingy -> regulator missing seems to be dts thingy
Jan 18 14:59:34 <aholler> I'm still without
Jan 18 14:59:46 <aholler> will the board files disappear?
Jan 18 15:01:31 <aholler> maybe I should better ask when they will disappear
Jan 18 15:03:03 <panto> aholler, they are gone
Jan 18 15:03:14 <aholler> with 3.8?
Jan 18 15:03:20 <panto> yes
Jan 18 15:03:33 <aholler> hmm, sounds like I will get some work :(
Jan 18 15:03:38 <panto> if you're booting with 3.8 there's no more a board-specific file, it's board-generic
Jan 18 15:05:10 <aholler> hopefully we will see rc7 ;)
Jan 18 15:05:43 <panto> aholler, it's been a long time coming
Jan 18 15:06:22 <aholler> panto: sure, but I'm lazy and didn't have a need to change to dt
Jan 18 15:06:37 <panto> we didn't either
Jan 18 15:06:43 <panto> but it had to happen
Jan 18 15:07:02 <aholler> hmm, I think it will save some time
Jan 18 15:07:07 <aholler> +you
Jan 18 15:07:25 <aholler> if thats good or bad is something else
Jan 18 15:07:58 <aholler> actually I like dt, if it becomes usable
Jan 18 15:08:35 <panto> frankly there are still problems, but they are getting worked on
Jan 18 15:08:47 <panto> there are obvious benefits
Jan 18 15:12:39 * NishanthMenon wishes everything omap was only dts based.. :(
Jan 18 15:14:02 <aholler> NishanthMenon: the second patch seems to miss an unlock in if (IS_ERR(opp))
Jan 18 15:14:16 <NishanthMenon> aholler, thanks for pointing..
Jan 18 15:40:06 <aholler> I wonder why so many patches got missing. e.g. I've seen at least two which fixed that vaux2 but never found their way into mainline. I think such discourages people.
Jan 18 15:41:43 <NishanthMenon> aholler, kick koen, NishanthMenon and others maintaining forks ;)
Jan 18 15:43:12 <aholler> linux-omap looked like a big black hole to me ;)
Jan 18 15:44:11 <aholler> sorry ;)
Jan 18 16:02:18 * NishanthMenon weeps at drivers/devfreq/exynos4_bus.c
Jan 18 16:04:39 <mdp> nobody misses them
Jan 18 16:05:17 <mdp> panto, I see an astonishing collection of board files for you to claim they are all gone in 3.8
Jan 18 16:05:38 <mdp> panto, like the _legacy_ omap4 platform :)
Jan 18 16:05:39 <panto> they are gone for all new board/arches like am33xx :)
Jan 18 16:05:49 <panto> embrace the future
Jan 18 16:06:02 <mdp> ahh, you didn't qualify it with "for all platforms that matter" :)
Jan 18 16:06:08 <mdp> I'm with you now
Jan 18 16:06:17 <panto> ok, ok, all platforms that are not in rigor-mortis
Jan 18 16:06:51 <prpplague> hehe
Jan 18 16:06:57 <panto> hi prpplague
Jan 18 16:07:02 <prpplague> panto: greetings
Jan 18 16:07:09 <prpplague> panto: what's cooking today?
Jan 18 16:07:17 <koen> drat
Jan 18 16:07:19 <koen> 18 servos
Jan 18 16:07:21 <panto> oh, squashing bugs
Jan 18 16:07:28 <koen> 16 channel servo controller
Jan 18 16:07:43 <panto> prpplague, I'll start prepping the ELC talk come Monday
Jan 18 16:07:52 <panto> I have a few ideas that I want to test
Jan 18 16:07:55 <koen> I guess I could use 2 real PWMs from the bone to driver the missing 2
Jan 18 16:07:59 <prpplague> panto: dandy!
Jan 18 16:08:08 <prpplague> koen: hey crack baby
Jan 18 16:08:21 <panto> maybe piss off enough maintainers will at it :)
Jan 18 16:08:28 <panto> *while
Jan 18 16:08:29 <koen> hey prpplague
Jan 18 16:08:39 <koen> prpplague: the proverbial smoking nun
Jan 18 16:08:39 <prpplague> panto: hehe
Jan 18 16:08:49 <prpplague> koen: hehe
Jan 18 16:08:52 <panto> "you can't do that!"
Jan 18 16:11:08 <aholler> "No, no, no" seems to be common
Jan 18 16:12:58 <aholler> and then slap the commiters with something rejected or removed years ago, suggesting they are stupid because they don't know the history of the subsystem
Jan 18 16:13:03 <mranostay> prpplague: i can troll you if you want
Jan 18 16:13:38 <mranostay> er panto
Jan 18 16:14:31 <panto> aholler, "It was obvious that foo wasn't going to work by the summer of 1992, the last time Linus got a wedgie"
Jan 18 16:15:05 <aholler> something like that ;)
Jan 18 16:16:14 <mranostay> panto: you'll love my PWM hack for the nixie cape :)
Jan 18 16:16:30 <panto> I hate it already! :P
Jan 18 16:17:11 <mranostay> maybe i should add channel support to pwmss
Jan 18 17:28:14 <aholler> "smart white good applications", one new thing to learn every day ;)
Jan 18 17:29:12 <emeb> bread machine with floating point and gps navigation!
Jan 18 17:29:55 <aholler> rice cooker with android
Jan 18 17:31:54 <aholler> but watterott now has the cc2541dk. have to sleep if I should buy me some work ;)
Jan 18 17:47:48 <XorA> aholler: android mascot makes perfect shape for rice cooker :-D
Jan 18 17:48:48 <aholler> shake it to stop cooking, hot hands for free
Jan 18 17:52:00 <XorA> hehe
Jan 18 18:01:14 <calculus> ds2: ping, are you going to SCALE?
Jan 18 18:06:33 <mranostay> android powered rice cooker?
Jan 18 18:14:10 <aholler> mranostay: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/10/android_rice_cooker/
Jan 18 18:15:50 <aholler> the last two sentences are scaring ;)
Jan 18 18:16:18 <mdp> lol
Jan 18 18:16:26 <mdp> I hope somebody does a Linux port
Jan 18 18:17:03 <mranostay> mdp: +1
Jan 18 18:19:32 <mranostay> aholler: so $600 for a crockpot?
Jan 18 18:20:02 <aholler> eh, it's with android
Jan 18 18:20:41 <aholler> worth the few bucks
Jan 18 18:20:45 <mdp> Eleven!
Jan 18 18:22:30 <emeb> hmph - thermal fuse. no problem.
Jan 18 18:23:18 <mranostay> crockpots are completely safe to leave unattended
Jan 18 18:25:01 <emeb> once saw a common wall-wart short out and burst into flames though.
Jan 18 18:25:14 <emeb> that made me pretty paranoid about wall-warts.
Jan 18 18:26:10 <mranostay> stop wrapping them in tin foil
Jan 18 18:26:24 <mdp> that's hat material, only
Jan 18 18:30:17 <Russ> where the hell do I buy tin foil anyway?
Jan 18 18:30:34 <aholler> area 51
Jan 18 18:30:45 <Russ> ah, this is what you need for your wall wart
Jan 18 18:30:47 <Russ> http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/tin-foil-caps/mundorf-4.70-mfd-tin-foil-cap-100v/?gclid=CI3V_PPE8rQCFW6CQgodlRYAXQ
Jan 18 18:30:50 <Russ> a tin foil cap
Jan 18 18:33:05 <emeb> obligatory -> http://www.eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php
Jan 18 18:35:12 <mranostay> 27$ for caap?
Jan 18 18:35:15 <mranostay> *cap
Jan 18 18:35:41 <mranostay> ah 4.7 millifarad
Jan 18 19:11:20 <mrpacket_> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/740104_10151362671472661_563056034_o.jpg
Jan 18 19:11:38 <jkridner> koen: what package has mkfs.ext4?
Jan 18 19:12:07 <koen> e2fsprogs
Jan 18 19:12:07 <mrpacket_> a few more hours
Jan 18 19:12:26 <jkridner> hmmm.... doesn't seem to on current image.
Jan 18 19:13:01 <koen> e2fsprogs-mke2fs
Jan 18 19:13:13 <koen> e3,e4 are a symlink to the e2 one
Jan 18 19:13:26 <koen> which is how you can end up with an e2 fs when issuing mkfs.e4
Jan 18 19:13:50 <jkridner> k, I'll make sure to give --type, but I'm not finding the package in the feeds.
Jan 18 19:14:13 <jkridner> nm, feed update got it. :(
Jan 18 19:14:15 <jkridner> sry
Jan 18 19:14:18 <koen> jkridner: I found it with 'opkg list', so it's most certainly in the feeds :)
Jan 18 19:14:40 <koen> jkridner: the code I used for the hexy pod is kinda emberassing
Jan 18 19:14:43 <jkridner> I thought with the new image the feeds would be up-to-date, but opposite was true.
Jan 18 19:14:48 <koen> jkridner: it's the adafruit r-pi python lib
Jan 18 19:15:02 <jkridner> k. i'm looking at giving a tutorial on PWMs at i3-Detroit next week.
Jan 18 19:15:50 * koen notes down that 'cheap' means 'non-linear' in servo town
Jan 18 19:18:18 <emeb> probably also means other things that you'll find out about later.
Jan 18 19:18:37 <koen> yeah
Jan 18 19:18:49 <koen> plastic gears glued onto a smooth axle
Jan 18 19:19:22 <koen> already broke 2 of them
Jan 18 19:20:39 <emeb> yech
Jan 18 19:22:41 <XorA> koen: when do F18 fixes hit Angstrom?
Jan 18 19:23:03 <koen> XorA: I sent them to oe-core, dunno when scott gets around to applying them
Jan 18 19:23:17 <koen>  v2012.12 is safe
Jan 18 19:23:27 <koen> v2012.05 needs the 4 patches to F18
Jan 18 19:23:35 <XorA> might switch to that temp then
Jan 18 19:23:44 <koen> my main build machine is F18 now :)
Jan 18 19:24:23 * XorA is working ubuntu out of his system
Jan 18 19:24:35 <koen> http://patches.openembedded.org/project/oe-core/list/?q=fedora
Jan 18 19:25:00 <XorA> koen: I saw them, just not sure the timescales of applying these days
Jan 18 19:25:40 <koen> me neither
Jan 18 19:25:46 <XorA> koen: I shall be at FOSDEM this year :-D\
Jan 18 19:25:54 <koen> \o/
Jan 18 19:25:56 <koen> me too
Jan 18 19:26:11 <koen> trying to arrange for a waffle giveaway at the beagle booth
Jan 18 19:26:24 <XorA> hehe
Jan 18 19:26:30 <XorA> bone waffle iron :-D
Jan 18 19:26:46 <dm8tbr> we'll all get boned...
Jan 18 19:26:56 * Crofton|work will also be at FOSDEM
Jan 18 19:27:14 <XorA> koen: bringing Ann so she gets an idea what we actually do :-D
Jan 18 19:27:22 <Crofton|work> I need to update one of my old build machines to F18
Jan 18 19:27:27 <koen> drink beer, eat waffles
Jan 18 19:27:42 <Crofton|work> what else is there to do in Brussels
Jan 18 19:27:43 <XorA> I mean between beers :-D
Jan 18 19:27:50 <Crofton|work> speak in tongues
Jan 18 19:28:16 <XorA> hehe
Jan 18 19:30:18 <XorA> good to see some CentOS support as well
Jan 18 19:32:07 <mranostay> XorA: you want to her to meet the freaks? :)
Jan 18 19:32:44 <mranostay> you need to do what panto did.. only introduced his wife to a limited set :)
Jan 18 19:32:52 <XorA> mranostay: she already met koen and Crofton|work
Jan 18 19:33:37 <panto> even that it's... difficult
Jan 18 19:34:00 <panto> there's always the fear she'll bump into someone like RMS and run away screaming
Jan 18 19:34:48 <XorA> she would probably hold an idealogical discussion with RMS :-D
Jan 18 19:35:06 <panto> what's the safe distance to do so?
Jan 18 19:35:26 <mranostay> panto: anyone with an excessive beard is offlimits? right?
Jan 18 19:35:54 <panto> two words, beard bugs
Jan 18 19:36:02 <XorA> free laser treatment for linux engineers!
Jan 18 19:36:38 <mranostay> panto: wow that is a real thing..
Jan 18 19:37:00 <Russ> panto, I know how to take care of beard bugs
Jan 18 19:37:02 <Russ> anting!
Jan 18 19:37:04 <XorA> crabs moving north?
Jan 18 19:37:17 <mranostay> TMI!
Jan 18 19:39:04 <XorA> well its all the news in Bay Area that they are a dieing species!
Jan 18 19:39:45 <Crofton|work> in the bay area, you can out source potty training
Jan 18 19:40:01 <XorA> to china?
Jan 18 19:40:23 <Crofton|work> no, to a place on El Camino
Jan 18 19:41:43 <mranostay> ah please tell me you are kidding
Jan 18 19:41:53 <Crofton|work> no, I saw a sign
Jan 18 19:43:02 <mranostay> creepiest thing i've learned today
Jan 18 19:55:15 <toneeee> Howdy folks
Jan 18 19:56:07 <XorA> howdee doodlee doo, want some toast?
Jan 18 19:57:18 <toneeee> Sometimes
Jan 18 19:59:34 <panto> goodbye fellow trolls, beer beckons
Jan 18 20:13:19 <toneeee> prplauge: http://elinux.org/Chip_On_Board
Jan 18 20:14:18 <mranostay> toneeee: ah yes?
Jan 18 20:17:42 <toneeee> mranostay: he asked that I update the page to include a reference to the Chip on Board tutorial at the Die Products Consortium.
Jan 18 20:18:02 <toneeee> That seems like a great job to have, DPC.
Jan 18 20:29:37 <cbrake> it seems in the system I'm working on that OMAP GPIO regs get reset when the kernel starts
Jan 18 20:29:56 <joel_> mag: ping
Jan 18 20:30:03 <cbrake> does anyone know if this is expected, and why it happens?
Jan 18 20:30:12 <cbrake> 3.0 kernel, DM3730
Jan 18 20:35:51 <mdp> cbrake, hwmod reseting the gpio IP?
Jan 18 20:37:32 <NishanthMenon> mdp, yep
Jan 18 20:37:41 <NishanthMenon> mdp, we used to face that thanks to hwmod
Jan 18 20:38:29 <NishanthMenon> there was a discussion on the GPIO topic in l-o some eons back I recollect.. i think it was 4460, where the GPIO was controlling selection of voltage register and hwmod reset it resulting in lockups
Jan 18 20:38:43 <mdp> cbrake, you can add: HWMOD_INIT_NO_RESET
Jan 18 20:38:51 <NishanthMenon> mdp, there was a function for it
Jan 18 20:38:56 <NishanthMenon> that is supposed to be the right way
Jan 18 20:38:59 * NishanthMenon searches
Jan 18 20:39:04 <mdp> NishanthMenon: right, I've had to hack stuff to have hwmod not kill jtag on me
Jan 18 20:39:17 <mdp> it's difficult to find a right way for things with hwmod
Jan 18 20:39:25 <mdp> ;)
Jan 18 20:39:51 <mdp> but sounds good
Jan 18 20:40:40 <NishanthMenon> omap_hwmod_no_setup_reset
Jan 18 20:41:01 <_av500_> öhö: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/138
Jan 18 20:42:05 <NishanthMenon> mdp, http://goo.gl/YTNrz for documentation
Jan 18 20:43:03 <NishanthMenon> mdp, related thread http://marc.info/?t=135290702700004&r=1&w=2
Jan 18 20:43:09 <mdp> yeah, I've had to read that before
Jan 18 20:47:31 <mdp> it's one of those things that could stand to have a property added in the omap binding
Jan 18 20:47:43 <mdp> yet another gap for those platforms that are board file challenged ;)
Jan 18 20:48:00 <bradfa> mind the gap
Jan 18 20:48:10 * mdp falls in front of the train
Jan 18 20:48:14 <mdp> what?
Jan 18 20:48:40 <bradfa> device train?
Jan 18 20:48:51 <mdp> backslapping device email train
Jan 18 20:48:55 <mdp> the only way to go
Jan 18 20:49:26 * bradfa hasn't done any dancing today :(
Jan 18 20:49:32 * mdp plays naming games with DT properties
Jan 18 20:49:43 <mdp> bradfa, I'm dancing enough for everybody right now
Jan 18 20:49:55 * bradfa congratulates mdp on dancing abilities
Jan 18 20:49:57 <mdp> got some upstream ready am33xx audio love
Jan 18 20:50:20 <mdp> only 10.2 billion patches that it depends on ;)
Jan 18 20:51:02 <toneeee> Parsing recipes: 0%|#                                            | ETA: 1:00:00:00:00:39
Jan 18 20:51:10 <mdp> lol
Jan 18 20:51:17 <bradfa> toneeee, get beer
Jan 18 20:51:20 <bradfa> lots
Jan 18 20:51:25 <toneeee> damn skippy
Jan 18 20:51:33 <bradfa> what units is the 1 in?
Jan 18 20:51:38 <bradfa> days? years?
Jan 18 20:51:40 <toneeee> I didn't count
Jan 18 20:51:45 <mdp> nothing more ram and cores can't help with
Jan 18 20:51:48 <bradfa> the zeros confuse me
Jan 18 20:52:03 <mdp> bradfa, you want to live with just ones?
Jan 18 20:52:03 <mranostay> are they facts?
Jan 18 20:52:16 <bradfa> mdp, 1s are nice, 0s are evil
Jan 18 20:52:20 <mdp> we *need* both the ones and zeroes...they are equally important friends
Jan 18 20:52:26 <mdp> bradfa, don't be a friday hater
Jan 18 20:52:53 * bradfa hates on Fridays
Jan 18 20:52:58 <toneeee> that was for 10.2 billion patches
Jan 18 20:53:02 <mdp> it's not like the old days when they did unary computing
Jan 18 20:53:07 <mdp> we be advanced
Jan 18 20:53:10 <bradfa> urinary computing?
Jan 18 20:53:22 <mdp> yes, urinary computing
Jan 18 20:53:30 <mdp> um, I need to see the WC for some reason
Jan 18 20:53:30 <mranostay> where is mlocke when you need him? :)
Jan 18 20:53:34 <mdp> ;)
Jan 18 20:55:17 <mdp> toneeee: sometimes it looks like 10.2 billion when I look at the dependency list in my patch series cover letter ;)
Jan 18 20:56:10 <mdp> "go grab this crap all over alsa-devel, then a pinch of beetle dung, crushed bat wings, stir"
Jan 18 20:57:01 <mdp> bradfa, oh, and if you were wondering, DT *can* help here ;)
Jan 18 20:57:49 <toneeee> mdp: oh I'm with you. I'm new to this openembedded world and everything seems like 10.2 billion.  I built the kernel, okay that worked well in 8 hours.  Now I'm trying to build the cloud9 distro to see how it's done and it's taken a week and the fun times on anstrrom-developer list about udev are just making it more fun. I'll get there. But I'm with you on 10.2
Jan 18 20:58:24 <mranostay> oh a quiz
Jan 18 20:58:29 <mdp> you may have more than that just for cloud9 ;)
Jan 18 20:58:51 <bradfa> mranostay, quiz time?
Jan 18 20:58:53 <toneeee> mdp: I guess I can't count past 10.2 billion
Jan 18 20:59:16 <bradfa> cloud9 doesn't seem to fit my definitiion of embedded..
Jan 18 20:59:19 <mranostay> bradfa: cape contest survey
Jan 18 20:59:26 <mranostay> hmmm "12.   If given unlimited resources, what would you create?"
Jan 18 21:00:05 <mrpacket_> cape contest survey?
Jan 18 21:00:10 <mrpacket_>  they are asking you
Jan 18 21:00:21 <mrpacket_> it seems to me its a cheap way of doing recruitment
Jan 18 21:00:27 <mrpacket_> if anyone came up with a great design.
Jan 18 21:00:34 <mrpacket_> they might go to hire you.
Jan 18 21:00:34 <mdp> mranostay, world peas!
Jan 18 21:00:34 <jkridner> we are sending out a survey?
Jan 18 21:00:35 <toneeee> can a beagle make world peace ?
Jan 18 21:00:44 <bradfa> link to survey?
Jan 18 21:00:55 <mranostay> bradfa: email
Jan 18 21:01:06 <jkridner> toneeee: Underdog can!
Jan 18 21:01:15 <bradfa> mranostay, apparently I'm not cool
Jan 18 21:01:20 <mrpacket_> i would create a bitcoin mine that did 10.2GH/s and cost $2.00
Jan 18 21:01:29 <mranostay> bradfa: didn't submit anything
Jan 18 21:01:43 <mranostay> mrpacket_: kickstarter it
Jan 18 21:01:48 <mranostay> and run off with the money :)
Jan 18 21:01:56 <bradfa> mrpacket_, I'd create 1 million $100 bills
Jan 18 21:02:05 <bradfa> that'd be enough
Jan 18 21:02:15 <toneeee> and it could be Chip on Board so we could just glob it to our arms to be our own bitcoin farm
Jan 18 21:02:16 <bradfa> mranostay, ah, no I did not submit a cape
Jan 18 21:02:35 <bradfa> wish I could have
Jan 18 21:03:05 <mrpacket_> i've found a new mine
Jan 18 21:03:12 <mrpacket_> of Bytecoins
Jan 18 21:03:29 <bradfa> 8 times the value!
Jan 18 21:03:30 <mrpacket_> i'm just goign to mine the first 50B
Jan 18 21:04:09 <toneeee> I'm too new here to know so I'll bite: do you guys actually mine bitcoins or is that just a running gag?
Jan 18 21:04:40 <mdp> mranostay, put "construct a Death Star"
Jan 18 21:04:43 <bradfa> toneeee, I assume some people do
Jan 18 21:04:53 <bradfa> +1 death star
Jan 18 21:05:08 <agmlego> toneeee: Well, that is after all the way you get bitcoins, is to mine them.
Jan 18 21:05:09 <mdp> mranostay, and "because the government was too stupid to do it before I got the resources"
Jan 18 21:05:35 <agmlego> toneeee: But of course in this sense, you are not digging through dirt and rock but through mathematics.
Jan 18 21:05:55 <bradfa> agmlego, well, most people mining don't even half understand the maths
Jan 18 21:06:01 <bradfa> they just own some graphics cards
Jan 18 21:06:04 <agmlego> toneeee: And you use not dynamite and rills buyt algorithms that are easy to work one way but hard or impossible to work the other way.
Jan 18 21:06:28 <agmlego> bradfa: Still using math--I can use a tool without understanding it.
Jan 18 21:06:43 <bradfa> fair enough
Jan 18 21:06:53 <bradfa> hammers are hard for me
Jan 18 21:07:53 <toneeee> agmlego well I meant: are some of you running the mining software or is it just a joke around here that bitcoins are something to use to pay for stuff? I get it that they are not real coins.
Jan 18 21:09:55 <agmlego> toneeee: bitcoins in general are sort of a catch-22; to have any value, people need to use them, but there is nowhere really to use them because nobody takes them because nobody uses them to buy things.
Jan 18 21:10:16 <agmlego> The biggest places people use them are the online black market.
Jan 18 21:10:21 <agmlego> Or so I have heard.
Jan 18 21:10:36 <toneeee> agmlego: right; that's why I ask if they are an in-joke here. oh. got it, black market
Jan 18 21:10:39 <agmlego> Mostly, they are a symbol of how much power you are willing to waste for e-penis cred.
Jan 18 21:11:13 <agmlego> Which is a shame, because it would be nice to actually have a sovereign cyberspace with its own currency.
Jan 18 21:12:02 <jkridner> anyone know where 'not-capebus' loads the firmware files from?
Jan 18 21:13:09 * jkridner guesses all of the .dts files are compiled into the single .dtb and loaded out of that somehow.
Jan 18 21:13:36 <jkridner> I think panto already left for beer. :)
Jan 18 21:14:54 <_av500_> beer?
Jan 18 21:15:14 <jkridner> got your attention now?
Jan 18 21:15:40 <XorA> Beagle beer?
Jan 18 21:16:08 <jkridner> BeerCape
Jan 18 21:26:23 <mdp> jkridner: that would have been a guaranteed winner
Jan 18 21:27:17 <mrpacket_> bradfa: we use 64bit Bytecoins in our mine..
Jan 18 21:28:33 <mrpacket_> you can come and mine anytime you like.
Jan 18 21:44:34 <bradfa> toneeee, I'd assume most here don't bitcoin mine
Jan 18 21:44:51 <bradfa> mostly a joke for those who don't mine
Jan 18 21:45:01 <bradfa> probably pretty serious for those who do, though
Jan 18 22:02:03 <toneeee> :D okay I think I get it.
Jan 18 22:03:49 <koen> jkridner: dtbo files get loaded from /lib/firmware
Jan 18 22:04:08 <koen> jkridner: it's all documented in Documentation/ :)
Jan 18 22:04:38 <mranostay> koen: exact steps?
Jan 18 22:05:22 <mdp> koen, and the dts files are hidden in firmware/capes/ ;)
Jan 18 22:05:31 <mdp> sekrit dts files
Jan 18 22:05:45 <mranostay> jkridner: even the nixie cape has one now
Jan 18 22:06:03 <mdp> it's now the ultimate evil vendor tree ;)
Jan 18 22:08:53 <mranostay> of course the nixie cape is 90% PRU magic :)
Jan 18 22:11:50 <xzeta> hi
Jan 18 22:11:58 <mranostay> hide!
Jan 18 22:12:49 <xzeta> are looking for a guide to install windows embedded on deagleboard xm, I did not find anything on google
Jan 18 22:12:58 <mranostay> hehe
Jan 18 22:13:08 <xzeta> tnx
Jan 18 22:13:43 <mranostay> why would you want to do that?
Jan 18 22:15:08 <xzeta> I use Adobe AIR and Adroid aletre does not meet requirements
Jan 18 22:15:59 <xzeta> I need into using embedded windows, an installation guide, thank you?
Jan 18 22:17:19 <mranostay> why use the xM for this?
Jan 18 22:19:10 <mranostay> er http://beagleboard.org/project/WinCE7+BSP+for+BeagleBoard-XM/ first google result
Jan 18 22:22:23 <xzeta> TNX you, I read that link is not understandable
Jan 18 22:30:55 * XorA wonders what is wrong with the Adobe Air icon on his android :-D
Jan 18 23:01:09 <mlsmv> I have kinda of a big problem
Jan 18 23:01:10 <mlsmv> connecting to my beagleboard xm gives me a Kernel panic on my laptop
Jan 18 23:01:23 <mlsmv> I am running arch linux on the board
Jan 18 23:01:28 <mlsmv> and on my computer
Jan 18 23:01:40 <mlsmv> laptop: 3.6.11-1-ARCH
Jan 18 23:02:29 <mlsmv> the connection is through serial
Jan 18 23:09:19 <aholler> s/C/G/
Jan 18 23:16:02 <mlsmv> Connecting to my beagleboard xm through serial causes my laptop to have a kernel panic, not the board
Jan 18 23:16:12 <mlsmv> does anyone know how to prevent this?
Jan 18 23:16:17 <mru> fix the kernel
Jan 18 23:16:36 <mlsmv> how? what is wrong with it?
Jan 18 23:16:47 <mru> you said it yourself, it crashes
Jan 18 23:17:15 <mlsmv> but I have no idea why a simple serial connection would do that
Jan 18 23:17:21 <mlsmv> and therefor no idea how to fix it
Jan 18 23:17:38 <mru> the stack trace should give some clues
Jan 18 23:17:38 <toneeee> is the connection merely Tx/Tx/+V/Gnd ?
Jan 18 23:17:44 <toneeee> (4-wire or more)
Jan 18 23:17:55 <mru> 4 wires?
Jan 18 23:18:01 <mru> 3 is enough
Jan 18 23:18:17 <toneeee> sorry Rx/Tx/Gnd
Jan 18 23:18:25 <mlsmv> I count 9 pins
Jan 18 23:18:31 <toneeee> but how many are in use ?
Jan 18 23:18:38 <mlsmv> its a serial to usb
Jan 18 23:19:27 <toneeee> usb on the laptop side ?
Jan 18 23:19:31 <mlsmv> yes
Jan 18 23:19:34 <mru> then my money is on a faulty usb driver
Jan 18 23:19:38 <mru> not serial per se
Jan 18 23:19:45 <toneeee> mine too.
Jan 18 23:19:46 <mru> which driver does it use?
Jan 18 23:19:57 <mlsmv> do you know how I can check?
Jan 18 23:20:18 <Russ> you probably have an old version of ubuntu with a usb/serial adapter kernel bug
Jan 18 23:20:42 <mlsmv> I am running archbang
Jan 18 23:20:51 <mru> some combination of lsmod, lsusb, and dmesg should provide all info
Jan 18 23:20:57 <Russ> archbang what
Jan 18 23:20:58 <mru> and bang it goes
Jan 18 23:21:07 <mru> so why are you complaining
Jan 18 23:21:46 <mlsmv> haha, arch linx
Jan 18 23:21:49 <mlsmv> linux
Jan 18 23:21:57 <Russ> *sigh*
Jan 18 23:22:02 <Russ> WHAT RELEASE
Jan 18 23:22:34 <mru> if you'd rather have it go pop, you need a weasel
Jan 18 23:22:42 <mlsmv> 3.6.11-1-ARCH
Jan 18 23:22:49 <XorA> prpplague: quick design a weasel board
Jan 18 23:23:08 <Russ> that's fairly new
Jan 18 23:23:14 <Russ> what does your panic look like
Jan 18 23:23:17 * prpplague opens up orcad
Jan 18 23:23:35 <XorA> 1F capacitor overvolted should do it :-D
Jan 18 23:23:36 <toneeee> weasel cape!!!
Jan 18 23:23:37 <mlsmv> I had this problem with an earlier kernel though
Jan 18 23:23:40 <toneeee> get in on the money!
Jan 18 23:23:49 <mlsmv> thats why I upgraded
Jan 18 23:23:52 <mru> KICKSTARTER!!!
Jan 18 23:23:58 <mlsmv> but the problem persisted
Jan 18 23:24:20 <Russ> doesn't mean its the same problem
Jan 18 23:24:26 <mlsmv> usbserial              30544  1 ftdi_sio
Jan 18 23:24:30 <toneeee> weasel cape that mines bitcoins funded through kickstarter
Jan 18 23:24:50 <mlsmv> so I am guessing ftdi_sio is the driver?
Jan 18 23:24:53 <mru> I've had ftdi panic before
Jan 18 23:29:01 * XorA panics all the time with ftdi
Jan 18 23:29:15 <XorA> then I remeber to plug it into the correct board
Jan 18 23:29:46 <mlsmv> I will trying building one from source
Jan 18 23:34:57 <aholler> try 3.7.3
Jan 19 00:17:55 <NishanthMenon> Crofton|work, http://pastebin.com/9C6UsUXf - heard of this spam bot?
Jan 19 00:18:04 <NishanthMenon> CCed you and me on robclark 's tree
Jan 19 00:18:23 * NishanthMenon wonders if i am /dev/null for OSTC
Jan 19 00:30:54 <XorA> NishanthMenon: email back and he replaies
Jan 19 00:31:08 <XorA> NishanthMenon: I have asked to be removed before
Jan 19 00:31:40 <robclark> NishanthMenon, hmm, interesting..  I pasted url to that branch for someone on #dri-devel maybe 45min ago..
Jan 19 00:31:57 <robclark> I wonder if something is harvesting trees/branches to build from that
Jan 19 00:32:09 <robclark> otoh, arm could use some more build-bots :-P
Jan 19 00:33:52 <aholler> intel, is it a tizzen-bot?
Jan 19 00:34:27 <robclark> don't think so.. looks like intel ostc
Jan 19 00:35:33 <aholler> anyway, had that bug too, the bot is right
Jan 19 00:36:36 <robclark> yeah..  arm has too high a tendency to be broken if not build with correct config
Jan 19 00:36:59 <robclark> well, multiarch should at least help to make it easier to compile test stuff
Jan 19 00:37:14 <NishanthMenon> robclark, :(
Jan 19 00:37:32 <NishanthMenon> robclark, someone thought using my mail id is quick solution :(
Jan 19 00:37:35 <robclark> NishanthMenon, not entirely sure why it got sent to you, tho?
Jan 19 00:37:45 * robclark suspects it is automated somehow
Jan 19 00:37:48 <NishanthMenon> i got 4 emails on various warnings so far :(
Jan 19 00:38:06 <robclark> but no idea where it is picking your email addr from
Jan 19 00:38:29 * NishanthMenon wonders if the bot maintains a potential list of /dev/null mail ids :)
Jan 19 00:38:30 <robclark> NishanthMenon, maybe it just knows you have a bad habit of fixing things :-P
Jan 19 00:38:37 <NishanthMenon> robclark, thanks :(
Jan 19 00:39:41 <NishanthMenon> anyways, the spam is silent for the moment, looking at it's public archives in http://lists.01.org/pipermail/kbuild/, it seems to doing a rational job ..
Jan 19 00:40:11 <NishanthMenon> XorA, i already did.. thanks on it.. was wondering how it got my id though..
Jan 19 00:40:48 * NishanthMenon decides to leave for the day
Jan 19 00:40:59 <NishanthMenon> good weekend follks.. cya later
Jan 19 00:41:05 <robclark> cya NishanthMenon
Jan 19 01:11:33 <mranostay> hi robclark!!
Jan 19 01:15:18 <robclark> hi mranostay
Jan 19 01:21:49 <mranostay> robclark: how goes it in FPGA world?
Jan 19 01:23:20 <mrpacket_> hi mranostay and robclark
Jan 19 01:25:17 <mranostay> enters the other FPGA weirdo
Jan 19 01:25:24 <mranostay> oh hi emeb_mac  :)
Jan 19 01:25:51 <mranostay> emeb_mac: fill out your survey? :)
Jan 19 01:25:58 <emeb_mac> hello radiation weirdo
Jan 19 01:26:07 <emeb_mac> mranostay: yes I did.
Jan 19 01:27:28 <emeb_mac> I was disappointed that it didn't ask about my favorite color, or what my thoughts are on the solution of conflict in the mid-east.
Jan 19 01:28:10 <mranostay> i could get interesting with the unlimited resources one
Jan 19 01:28:24 <emeb_mac> that was the best question.
Jan 19 01:29:32 <mranostay> Beaglebone controlled WMD
Jan 19 01:50:54 * mranostay hands alan_o a card
Jan 19 01:51:36 <emeb_mac> christmas card? news for you - that happened last month.
Jan 19 01:52:37 <alan_o> dang it
Jan 19 01:53:05 <alan_o> hehe
Jan 19 01:53:05 <mranostay> valentines day?
Jan 19 01:53:13 <alan_o> ooh lala....
Jan 19 01:53:41 <alan_o> how many creeper cards do I need until I get a kick/ban ?
Jan 19 02:02:16 <mranostay> alan_o: your choice of editor is enough to be creepy :)
Jan 19 02:02:34 <alan_o> awww man....
Jan 19 02:03:24 <alan_o> I actually gave emacs a good go a couple years ago. Just couldn't really get it where I wanted it. In fact, I was unable to get tabbing working in any way other than "do what I mean"
Jan 19 02:04:01 <alan_o> very frustrating. Maybe that's where all the space-indent people come from. Too hard to set up tabs properly in emacs
Jan 19 02:04:49 <alan_o> there's a lot of good stuff about it thought. I'm sure you find emacs creepy as well
Jan 19 02:06:16 <toneeee> the zippy quoter isn't too bad
Jan 19 02:06:36 <toneeee> "Yow!  Legally-imposed CULTURE-reduction is CABBAGE-BRAINED!"
Jan 19 02:07:32 <mranostay> alan_o: not as creepy
Jan 19 02:12:41 <mranostay> alan_o: you probably like Unity  as well :P
Jan 19 02:12:52 <alan_o> mranostay: barely gave it a chance
Jan 19 02:13:12 <alan_o> installed gnome 3, ran it for a while, then cinnamon, now KDE
Jan 19 02:13:25 <Russ> I'm starting to think the motivation behind creeper cards has been completely lost on this channel
Jan 19 02:13:27 <alan_o> that's on the lappy. Desktop runs gnome 2 still (lazy)
Jan 19 02:21:01 <emeb_mac> Russ: maybe add a creeper card section to the faq on the wiki
Jan 19 02:25:01 <alan_o> Q: People keep offering me "exact steps," but then they never give me any, what's the deal?
Jan 19 02:27:34 <emeb_mac> A: Change must come from within.
Jan 19 02:27:46 <emeb_mac> oh wait - wrong joke.
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