**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 26 03:00:00 2013
Jan 26 03:11:05 <mrpackethead_> i have somethign werid going on
Jan 26 03:11:33 <mrpackethead_> if the ethernet gadget is 'present' at boot up, but not going
Jan 26 03:11:36 <mrpackethead_> the sytem crashes
Jan 26 03:55:13 <mranostay> mrpackethead_: detailed report there
Jan 26 03:56:33 <mrpackethead_> mranostay: hobbits.. can't do detail
Jan 26 03:56:45 <mrpackethead_> i need to do some more testing
Jan 26 04:17:28 * ka6sox thinks emeb_mac needs to attend one *soon*!
Jan 26 05:20:47 <emeb_mac> get thee to and ELC - stat!
Jan 26 05:26:22 <mrpackethead_> mranostay: definatly some issues with booting if the USB gadget is not connecting
Jan 26 05:26:32 <mrpackethead_> i need to do some more testing
Jan 26 05:49:06 <pks> hello guys
Jan 26 05:49:32 <mrpackethead_> no guys, just hobbits trolls and elves
Jan 26 05:49:38 <mrpackethead_> the dwarfs have run away
Jan 26 05:50:30 <Guest55436> I am a newbie at beagleboard and am doing a project on image processing witha company ...and they have told us to use beagleboard to caspture the image but the camera has to be mobile phone camera ...how exactly can this be done ?
Jan 26 05:50:45 <Guest55436> good to know packethead ... :)
Jan 26 05:51:08 <Guest55436> Capture*
Jan 26 05:51:24 <mrpackethead_> please ask your masters how much money they have for consultancy
Jan 26 05:51:28 <mrpackethead_> when they have
Jan 26 05:51:31 <mrpackethead_> i will be yoru agent
Jan 26 05:51:39 <mrpackethead_> to get a soltion
Jan 26 05:51:49 <mrpackethead_> the trolls here need feeding
Jan 26 05:52:36 <mrpackethead_> how are you intending to use a mobile phone attached to a bealge?
Jan 26 05:52:44 <mrpackethead_> you could connect it via usb?
Jan 26 05:53:21 <mrpackethead_> you coudl conenct via wifi, or blue tooth
Jan 26 05:53:39 <mrpackethead_> and these days why dont' you jsut do the processing on the phone?
Jan 26 05:54:12 <Guest55436> basically we are making an android app and the app is loaded on beagleboard ...then the image is taken via beagleboard ...
Jan 26 05:54:35 <Guest55436> we r using beagleboard as we are electronics students ....otherwise it would become complete software project.
Jan 26 05:55:34 <mrpackethead_> you said it needed to be taken on a mobile phone
Jan 26 05:55:53 <Guest55436> it does...
Jan 26 05:56:09 <mrpackethead_> how are you goign to attach the mobile fone to the beagleboard
Jan 26 05:56:22 <Guest55436> that is the question i am asking ...?
Jan 26 05:56:31 <mrpackethead_> usb cable?
Jan 26 05:56:47 <mrpackethead_> why don't you use the camera cape
Jan 26 05:56:51 <mrpackethead_> it woudl save a lot of work
Jan 26 05:57:12 <Guest55436> what is it exactly ?
Jan 26 05:57:27 <Guest55436> Camera cape must use the expansion port i assume ...
Jan 26 05:57:28 <mrpackethead_> you using a beagleboard? or a beaglebone?
Jan 26 05:57:45 <Guest55436> board
Jan 26 05:57:53 <mrpackethead_> then no capes for you
Jan 26 05:58:01 <mrpackethead_> if you ahd a beaglebone
Jan 26 05:58:08 <mrpackethead_> you could just plug in the camera cape
Jan 26 05:58:22 <mrpackethead_> i'd say you pretty much are stuck to using a USB connection
Jan 26 05:59:14 <mrpackethead_> do you know what google is?
Jan 26 06:00:08 <Guest55436> Indeed
Jan 26 06:00:59 <mrpackethead_> serach using a mobile camera as a web cam
Jan 26 06:02:37 <Guest55436> cool
Jan 26 06:02:42 <Guest55436> thanks sir
Jan 26 06:44:01 <Russ> mranostay, yup, all downhill from there
Jan 26 06:58:06 <mrpackethead_> well, thats that
Jan 26 06:58:16 <mrpackethead_> usb-gadget is cuasing me some issues
Jan 26 07:13:58 <mrpackethead_> guess all the trolls are probaby aslseep now?
Jan 26 07:16:50 <dm8tbr> trololololo!
Jan 26 07:16:54 <dm8tbr> good moaning
Jan 26 07:17:08 <mrpackethead_> haey dm8tbr
Jan 26 07:18:06 <mrpackethead_> im just trying to find some doco on the PWM configuration
Jan 26 07:19:21 <dm8tbr> no idea. TRM?
Jan 26 07:19:44 <mrpackethead_> i think i will need to
Jan 26 07:51:16 <mrpackethead_> dot.
Jan 26 07:56:32 <koen> dm8tbr: listen carefully, I will only say this once
Jan 26 07:58:56 <mrpackethead_> i know your father... prepare to die
Jan 26 07:59:08 <mrpackethead_> ?
Jan 26 08:52:17 <_av500_> gm
Jan 26 09:16:17 * _av500_ throws a chair around to get attention
Jan 26 09:17:45 <koen> developers!
Jan 26 09:20:11 <_av500_> sorry bout thew Ming Vase...
Jan 26 09:20:17 * ds2 matches the chair and throws a table 
Jan 26 09:23:44 <Russ> didn't anyone tell you?
Jan 26 09:23:54 <Russ> it's saturday
Jan 26 09:52:27 * mranostay waves
Jan 26 09:53:03 * Russ iteratively rebase-i's
Jan 26 09:53:50 * mranostay packs his range bag for tomorrow er today
Jan 26 09:54:23 <Russ> any wadcutters?
Jan 26 09:54:27 <Russ> those are always fun
Jan 26 09:55:08 <mranostay> rifles
Jan 26 09:55:22 <Russ> ah
Jan 26 09:55:55 <mranostay> Russ: handgun guy?
Jan 26 09:57:46 <mranostay> crap two am.. i should sleep
Jan 26 09:58:11 <Russ> rifles, handguns, all a good time
Jan 26 10:50:43 <GoQuakes> Random question:  is beaglebone sold in any brick & mortar stores?  I'm in Santa Clara, CA -- seems plausible that such a place would be near me if it exists.
Jan 26 10:54:29 <Russ> koen, *sigh*, someone might want to point out to Jeremy that a "Nexus" is not a device
Jan 26 10:54:41 <Russ> unless he means the Nexus 1
Jan 26 15:40:57 <BruDog> perl could not find LWP::Useragent in /usr/share/perl/5.10.1/LWP it was in /usr/share/perl/5.10.1/CPAN/LWP/
Jan 26 15:41:50 <BruDog> so I copied it to where it was looking (one of the paths in $ENV)
Jan 26 15:42:25 <BruDog> now it is find LWP but I am getting this error - Can't locate object method "new" via package "LWP::UserAgent"
Jan 26 15:43:30 <BruDog> the full path is now /usr/share/perl/5.10.1/LWP/UserAgent.pm
Jan 26 15:44:45 <woglinde> wrong channel?
Jan 26 15:48:42 <BruDog> on the Beaglebord wog
Jan 26 15:50:01 <BruDog> running perl IO::Socket::INET just fine
Jan 26 15:50:13 <woglinde> yes but it is perl
Jan 26 15:51:18 <woglinde> you maybee did not installl the LWP module
Jan 26 15:51:49 <BruDog> asking about where Angstrom version expects to find perl modules - was installed by opkg - capish?
Jan 26 15:53:40 <BruDog> actually it IS finding LWP::UserAgent - just not able to execute the constructor
Jan 26 15:54:55 <BruDog> wondered if anyone else had a similar problem - as I said - it installed, foound and is executing OI::Socket::INET just peachy
Jan 26 15:59:36 <BruDog> so if anyone is running perl on BB Xm thought they might have a clue
Jan 26 16:04:14 <woglinde> ?
Jan 26 16:04:23 <woglinde> opkg list | grep -i lwp
Jan 26 16:05:51 <BruDog> geez wog  listen up guy - did all that - read the question
Jan 26 16:06:18 <BruDog> never mind
Jan 26 19:24:38 <mrpackethead_> trolls
Jan 26 19:24:43 <mrpackethead_> whos awake
Jan 26 19:29:42 <woglinde> nope
Jan 26 19:29:47 <woglinde> fish fish
Jan 26 19:29:57 <toneeee> just this newb
Jan 26 19:30:01 <toneeee> (moi)
Jan 26 19:34:51 <mrpackethead_> i'm a hobbit.
Jan 26 19:35:15 <mrpackethead_> a hobbit is what comes after newb
Jan 26 19:35:24 <mrpackethead_> but before elv and troll
Jan 26 19:35:46 <mrpackethead_> how are woglinde and toneeee?   all happy
Jan 26 19:36:21 <toneeee> well I still can't get the right target for bitbake to make a kernel every time I change the config… this is starting to confound me
Jan 26 19:36:52 <mrpackethead_> the kernel in general confounds me!
Jan 26 19:37:09 <toneeee> I add a required device driver, nothing happens!
Jan 26 19:37:32 <mrpackethead_> i'm trying to get teh touchscreen workign on my LCD3
Jan 26 19:37:44 <mrpackethead_> i'm missing something as well
Jan 26 19:38:49 <woglinde> no kernel events no touchscreen
Jan 26 19:43:01 <mrpackethead_> more google
Jan 26 19:43:08 <mrpackethead_> someone will ahve had this problem
Jan 26 19:45:22 <toneeee> mph : agree. I thought XorA had solved it, but apparently maybe possibly not quite with openembedded-core
Jan 26 19:45:36 <mrpackethead_> i'm using debian
Jan 26 19:45:59 <toneeee> on your beagle ?
Jan 26 19:46:37 <mrpackethead_> yes
Jan 26 19:46:49 <mrpackethead_> beaglebone
Jan 26 19:47:49 <toneeee> hmm. I am considering switching too because TBH, I have fought with OE for three weeks
Jan 26 19:48:09 <toneeee> lots of googling and experimenting with targets...
Jan 26 19:48:20 <woglinde> toneeee whats your problem?
Jan 26 19:48:32 <woglinde> changing kernel conf and rebuild it
Jan 26 19:49:45 <toneeee> wog: I'm trying to understand the way my kernel config changes make it into actions like (actually build a kernel based on the new config) and then (actually copy the new kernel to the place where I should find it every time).  I can definitely clean the deploy directory and I can definitely execute the menuconfig target properly.
Jan 26 19:50:33 <woglinde> ?
Jan 26 19:50:43 <toneeee> wog: Some targets work the way they seem to be documented. Some targets , even with -f, do not work as advertised
Jan 26 19:51:05 <woglinde> what do you want to achieve?
Jan 26 19:51:22 <toneeee> understanding of the behavior of the build targets
Jan 26 19:52:12 <toneeee> put another way: if I do "MACHINE=beagleboard bitbake virtual/kernel -c menuconfig " , and alter the kernel configuration, which target will actually build a kernel with the new configuration in mind?
Jan 26 19:53:49 <toneeee> this target: "MACHINE=beagleboard bitbake virtual/kernel -f -k " resulted in no apparent change (NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 911 tasks of which 910 didn't need to be rerun and all succeeded.)
Jan 26 19:53:59 <woglinde> thats not the way oe works
Jan 26 19:54:18 <toneeee> Okay, now you have my complete attention :D
Jan 26 19:54:21 <woglinde> copy the resulted config to your own recipe
Jan 26 19:54:34 <woglinde> and override the it with your config
Jan 26 19:54:54 <woglinde> ups override the kerne config for beagle
Jan 26 19:55:15 <woglinde> or copy the config to the config before
Jan 26 19:55:26 <toneeee> so for example, I make a recipe like "toneee-kernel" which is a copy of the recipe for virtual/kernel ?
Jan 26 19:55:48 <woglinde> that would be another way
Jan 26 19:55:54 <woglinde> but could work too
Jan 26 19:56:09 <woglinde> but than you have to alter preffered_provider or version for your target
Jan 26 19:57:55 <toneeee> let me start all over. Let's say I followed the instructions from Koen for building angstrom from OE.  it did make a kernel, etc. Now I want to make a kernel with my own configuration.  The next step is…. make a recipe, and copy the resulting config to from running menuconfigure to my recipe ?
Jan 26 19:58:49 <toneeee> wog: thank you very much for this discussion
Jan 26 19:59:26 <woglinde> toneeee look at bbapped too
Jan 26 19:59:30 <woglinde> ups bbappend
Jan 26 19:59:47 <toneeee> wog: I saw bbappend in the instructions for yocto.
Jan 26 19:59:53 <woglinde> with bbappend you can override steps and vars from original recipe
Jan 26 20:00:44 <toneeee> wog: I think I get it: menuconfig changes the configuration file. Yes that is good. But the subsequent targets do nothing with the altered configuration because they are pulling from the original recipe?
Jan 26 20:00:55 <woglinde> right
Jan 26 20:01:04 <woglinde> you could do it once
Jan 26 20:01:12 <toneeee> yes. One time… the FIRST time.
Jan 26 20:01:13 <woglinde> but it will not be saved
Jan 26 20:01:29 <woglinde> another rebuild will not have your config
Jan 26 20:01:51 <toneeee> wog: I am breathing a hugh sigh of relief here.
Jan 26 20:02:07 <toneeee> I thought I was going to go out of my cotton-picking mind and give up on computers
Jan 26 20:02:32 <woglinde> toneeee ;
Jan 26 20:02:35 <woglinde> ups ;)
Jan 26 20:03:05 <mrpackethead_> theory is when you know everythig but nothing works. Practice sis when everthing worsk but no one knows why.. I'm combining the two. Nothing works, and no one knows why
Jan 26 20:03:09 <toneeee> wog: should I keep on keepin' on with OE, or is Yocto in a state to build working kernels for beaglebone ?
Jan 26 20:04:09 <toneeee> the reason I ask is that the Yocto doc is trending towards completion, but the OE doc seems to be trending towards Yocto. :D
Jan 26 20:07:43 <toneeee> (this totally explains why the deployment always brings the same kernel …)
Jan 26 20:07:58 <woglinde> uhm
Jan 26 20:08:13 <woglinde> yocto has onyl minimal support for beagle
Jan 26 20:08:27 <woglinde> another layer is better
Jan 26 20:08:30 <toneeee> the OE it is.  Wow. I have learned a bunch
Jan 26 20:09:15 <toneeee> so the toneeee kernel … I should look at bbappend.
Jan 26 20:13:16 <koen> toneeee: angstrom is an official yocto project participant and officially yocto compatible
Jan 26 20:14:08 <woglinde> koen so it is still meta-ti yes?
Jan 26 20:14:17 <koen> toneeee: and have you seen this post on the angstrom frontpage: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/some-usefull-workflow-blogs ?
Jan 26 20:14:42 <koen> woglinde: depends on which angstrom release you are talking about and which machine you are talking about
Jan 26 20:14:58 <woglinde> koen hm okay
Jan 26 20:15:03 <jeet> question about OS: for a given hardware, is it hard to implement multiple different OSs? I mean, shouldn't the hardware controlling kernels be essentially the same for each?
Jan 26 20:15:07 <woglinde> I guess for bone it is another layer
Jan 26 20:15:38 <woglinde> jeetß
Jan 26 20:15:41 <woglinde> jeet?
Jan 26 20:16:49 <_av500_> jeet: no
Jan 26 20:16:57 <woglinde> yo av500
Jan 26 20:17:08 <_av500_> controlling the hardware is only a part of a "kernel" or operating system
Jan 26 20:17:54 <jeet> ok thanks
Jan 26 20:25:40 <toneeee> koen: hi thanks. Yes  the page about useful workflows has been the biggest boon to me. Unfortunately I missed a step following XorA's guide.  I missed the bit about layers etc
Jan 26 20:26:44 <toneeee> koen: for example, XorA updated his entry the other day when I asked him about the deploy target
Jan 26 20:27:48 <toneeee> I haven't gotten to the point where it is time for me to switch to another window to actually edit any code I want to create
Jan 26 20:28:40 <toneeee> so I cheat and skip the quilt steps, pretending that I am done with that and go straight to the bitbake virtual/kernel -c compile step, and then the deploy step
Jan 26 20:31:25 <toneeee> (koen: I /promise/ that when I finally understand this, I will write it up for all us newbs to use)
Jan 26 20:35:17 <_av500_> thats what htey all say
Jan 26 20:35:20 <_av500_> :)
Jan 26 20:35:31 <toneeee> lol that's why googling is so hard on this , too, av500
Jan 26 20:35:43 <_av500_> they say that too
Jan 26 20:42:44 <KotH> _av500_: i think you'd like to be here right now
Jan 26 20:42:59 <KotH> _av500_: i just got a delivery of baklava... fresh from tukrey :-)
Jan 26 20:43:00 <_av500_> I sure would
Jan 26 20:43:04 <_av500_> damn
Jan 26 20:43:12 * _av500_ sends hunter-killer drones
Jan 26 20:43:38 <woglinde> hm h265
Jan 26 20:43:43 <_av500_> yes
Jan 26 20:43:46 <_av500_> it's one better
Jan 26 20:43:53 <woglinde> sure
Jan 26 20:52:40 <KotH> _av500_: you wont get any baklava if you kill me
Jan 26 20:53:22 <KotH> swiss bank vaults are not easy to break ;)
Jan 26 20:57:01 <woglinde> how can it be fresh?
Jan 26 20:57:11 <woglinde> all the long way from turkey
Jan 26 20:57:39 <KotH> friend brought it
Jan 26 20:57:45 <woglinde> beaming?
Jan 26 20:58:35 <KotH> not yet, but a good substitude
Jan 26 21:41:00 <toneeee> Can I have some baklava too? I could be addicted to it easily
Jan 26 22:26:03 <ahmed_> hi, is there any resource on how to program beagle bone's gpio and or timer interrupts?
Jan 27 00:31:44 <wmat> huh, he left
Jan 27 01:10:09 <AndrevS> I have a BeagleBoard C3 since 2009. I have always had USB issues with it. Still, I don't know if it is a software or a hardware issue.
Jan 27 01:10:31 <CareBear\> define issues
Jan 27 01:15:37 <AndrevS> The on the go port seemed to be the most stable, but, the latest kernel I got it working with is in the 3.1 series. Later kernels don't work. It won't come up in host mode, and when I try to force it into host mode, a lot goes wrong in the kernel.
Jan 27 01:16:35 <AndrevS> The EHCI port just goes "unable to enumerate device" and that's it
Jan 27 01:17:55 <AndrevS> I have already added a capacitor between 1 and 27 on the expension port, as I've read about the noise on powerline issue.
Jan 27 01:19:37 <CareBear\> unsure
Jan 27 01:19:39 <AndrevS> Well.... when I was running the 3.1 kernel, I was also using an USB Ethernet adaptor, it used the pegasus driver, which used to crash frequently
Jan 27 01:19:59 <CareBear\> there's plenty of activity in linux.git for the host controller, so it might all be crappy software
Jan 27 01:20:35 <AndrevS> Back in 2009, I assumed by problems were just kernel related and would be solved with a later kernel. However, I am not sure anymore...
Jan 27 01:21:05 <CareBear\> certainly try linux.git
Jan 27 01:22:10 <AndrevS> I can try compiling my own kernel, indeed. (currently using kernel from the latest archlinux release for the beagleboard)
Jan 27 01:22:55 <CareBear\> build linux.git and linux-next.git and talk to linux-usb@vger
Jan 27 01:23:21 <mrpackethead_> 2hard4u
Jan 27 01:26:50 <AndrevS> From what repository I should try? Is there a BeagleBoard specific kernel or should I go to kernel.org ?
Jan 27 01:40:46 <CareBear\> they are both on kernel.org
Jan 27 01:40:57 <CareBear\> why would linux-usb@vger be interested otherwise..
Jan 27 01:49:56 * AndrevS is cloning the git now 
Jan 27 02:21:29 <AndrevS> omap2plus_defconfig is still the one to use?
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 27 02:59:59 2013