**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 04 02:59:59 2013
Feb 04 03:15:37 <hobbit> trolls like hobbit-meat
Feb 04 03:15:49 <hobbit> but this hobbit has the invisible ring
Feb 04 05:10:33 * mranostay totally screwed up his sleep schedule this weekend
Feb 04 05:25:37 <ds2> stop drinking at 2PM!
Feb 04 05:27:42 <mranostay> never!
Feb 04 06:17:17 <Crofton> we should be coming back online soon
Feb 04 06:17:28 <Crofton> many of the trolls should be home now
Feb 04 06:17:34 * Crofton is not through
Feb 04 07:01:55 <mranostay> Russ: rocking out the BGA?
Feb 04 07:11:22 <Russ> mranostay, yup
Feb 04 07:11:50 <Russ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/russdill/8444081122/
Feb 04 07:27:15 <mrpackethead_> russ, mranostay nice to see you
Feb 04 07:29:03 * mranostay runs away
Feb 04 07:29:15 <mrpackethead_> oh don't say that
Feb 04 07:31:22 <mrpackethead_> my desk has dents in it toda
Feb 04 07:31:32 <mrpackethead_> one bit of code is eluding me..
Feb 04 08:16:52 <panto> hello
Feb 04 08:39:47 <mrpackethead_> hi panto
Feb 04 10:53:43 <jackmitchell> pinctrl is giving me some jip, I have two devices on an SPI bus and it gives me errors stating that the pins have already been requested when the second device is probed
Feb 04 10:54:11 <jackmitchell> then when I reload the module I get a kernel oops
Feb 04 10:54:52 <jackmitchell> and it looks like it's comparing a null string in pin_request function
Feb 04 10:55:56 <jackmitchell> so, what should you do in the case of two devices on the same bus, and requesting the pins twice?
Feb 04 11:01:51 <yegorich> Hi! I'm trying to get WLAN working on my am335x Starter Kit. Where can I find the source code and .config for the kernel I find on the supplied microSD card?
Feb 04 11:02:23 <yegorich> In theory it is this branch: http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-am33x.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/AM335XPSP_04.06.00.08
Feb 04 11:03:04 <yegorich> according to http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AMSDK_Linux_User%27s_Guide I execute make am335x_evm_defconfig
Feb 04 11:04:15 <yegorich> but this config has very little WLAN drivers active, so I have to select the whole stuff myself and the mmc subsystem doesn't find any card on mmc1
Feb 04 11:05:40 <yegorich> the kernel on the supplied microSD card find the WLAN card, but I need some debugging output and need to rebuild the kernel myself
Feb 04 11:33:51 <panto> jackmitchell, if that's the case the pins should be requested by a parent device once
Feb 04 11:34:14 <panto> AFAIKT there's no way to handle the case where devices request the same pins
Feb 04 11:38:23 <jackmitchell> panto: hmm, ok, I have fired a message off to the linux-arm list to try and get some more feedback
Feb 04 11:38:32 <jackmitchell> in this case though the spi device is the parent
Feb 04 11:38:51 <panto> err, why not modify the pinctrl entries there?
Feb 04 11:39:03 <panto> what is your use case?
Feb 04 11:39:19 <jackmitchell> I also need extra pins for each parent, 1 sec
Feb 04 11:39:25 <jackmitchell> https://pastee.org/6e2nt
Feb 04 11:39:27 <panto> because it sounds like you're trying to pinmux the spi rx/tx & clk lines
Feb 04 11:39:48 <panto> in that case you pinctl the host controller device
Feb 04 11:41:13 <jackmitchell> ok, is there a way to only pinctrl the slave devices, would it be something to do with changing the default naming to make sure that it didn't propogate down?
Feb 04 11:42:27 <panto> I don't understand why you need to pinctrl both devices
Feb 04 11:42:50 <panto> what is it that you want to do?
Feb 04 11:45:25 <jackmitchell> I have two slave devices on SPI, which require extra GPIO, so when they get probed I need to setup the pinctrl for those extra pins I need, so I don't need to pinctrl the spi parent specifically but I need it setup at some point initially
Feb 04 11:46:18 <panto> so, if they share a gpio how do the control access to it?
Feb 04 11:46:24 <panto> *do they
Feb 04 11:46:56 <panto> what kind of extra gpio is it? is it a reset?
Feb 04 11:47:55 <jackmitchell> they don't share the gpio's, one is an interrupt, two more are used for read/write latching
Feb 04 11:48:06 <jackmitchell> so 3 extra gpios per slave device
Feb 04 11:48:56 <panto> wait, so why not pinctrl each slave device?
Feb 04 11:49:04 <panto> can you pastebin your dtb?
Feb 04 11:49:06 <panto> *dts
Feb 04 11:49:16 <jackmitchell> https://pastee.org/6e2nt
Feb 04 11:51:07 <panto> it seems that should work
Feb 04 11:51:22 <panto> I don't see any conflicts
Feb 04 11:52:02 <panto> which pins conflict?
Feb 04 11:52:12 <jackmitchell> Jan 25 15:04:54 beaglebone user.err kernel: [   67.319188] pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: pin 44e1099c already requested by 48030000.spi; cannot claim for spi2.1
Feb 04 11:52:12 <jackmitchell> Jan 25 15:04:54 beaglebone user.err kernel: [   67.330496] pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: pin-103 (spi2.1) status -22
Feb 04 11:52:12 <jackmitchell> Jan 25 15:04:54 beaglebone user.err kernel: [   67.337555] pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: could not request pin 103 on device pinctrl-single
Feb 04 11:52:44 <jackmitchell> should I be freeing pins in the remove function, or are the references counted automaticall?
Feb 04 11:53:08 <jackmitchell> but, that flags up on the first insmod regardless
Feb 04 11:54:57 <panto> can I see spi0_pins_s0, & spi1_pins_s0 too?
Feb 04 11:55:09 <b52> if anyone is interested in buying a bb rev a5 check http://www.ebay.de/itm/181074186881
Feb 04 11:56:08 <jackmitchell> https://pastee.org/uv5k8 - thats patch I use on top of koens tree
Feb 04 11:57:43 <panto>        0x19c 0x13  /* mcasp0_ahclkr.spi1_cs0, OUTPUT_PULLUP | MODE3 */
Feb 04 11:57:43 <panto>  
Feb 04 11:57:49 <panto>      0x19c 0x7
Feb 04 11:57:50 <panto>  
Feb 04 11:58:04 <panto> card1 conflicts with spi1
Feb 04 11:59:46 <jackmitchell> panto: ah, panto you legend
Feb 04 12:00:27 <jackmitchell> that makes sense as I don't use the chip selects and as such I reused them
Feb 04 12:51:24 <tsjsieb> b52: are you selling it?
Feb 04 13:02:52 <b52> tsjsieb: yeah
Feb 04 13:03:31 <tsjsieb> b52: how much do you want for it?
Feb 04 13:06:10 <b52> dunno
Feb 04 13:08:13 <tsjsieb> I would like to buy one, what about 30 euro inc shipping?
Feb 04 13:08:44 <b52> I dont think so
Feb 04 13:12:28 <tsjsieb> k :( , would be a better alternative to buying a raspberry :(
Feb 04 13:14:53 <mdp> mourning
Feb 04 13:24:58 <coldsoup|work> morning
Feb 04 16:07:39 * _av500_ is awake
Feb 04 16:08:17 * _av500_ curses FOSSflu
Feb 04 16:11:15 <emeb> got a case of the con crud?
Feb 04 16:11:44 <_av500_> yeah
Feb 04 16:11:58 <alan_o> Which con?
Feb 04 16:12:11 <mranostay> _av500_: actually sick? or just don't want to go back to work
Feb 04 16:12:32 * emeb had something a few weeks ago - 4 days of fever.
Feb 04 16:12:51 <_av500_> mranostay:sssh
Feb 04 16:13:55 <ka6sox> ugh...I do *not* need this.
Feb 04 16:16:50 <mranostay> ka6sox: need what?
Feb 04 16:17:01 <ogra> fevar
Feb 04 16:17:42 <ka6sox> Fevah
Feb 04 16:17:50 <_av500_> furver
Feb 04 16:18:08 <ka6sox> okay, brb...heading out to office
Feb 04 16:27:49 * mdp senses many people on the post FOSS conference high of, "I am inspired by so many amazing sessions / hallways chats . . . oh crap, I'm back to reality today!! :("
Feb 04 16:29:58 <mranostay> hehe
Feb 04 16:40:25 <mranostay> prpplague: purple!
Feb 04 16:41:04 <prpplague> mranostay: hey bud
Feb 04 16:41:07 <_av500_> ho
Feb 04 16:41:15 <alan_o> woot, prpplague!
Feb 04 16:41:24 <panto> hi prpplague
Feb 04 16:42:23 <prpplague> greetings all
Feb 04 16:42:49 <mdp> greetings and saltytations, prpplague
Feb 04 16:43:50 <prpplague> what's cookin today?
Feb 04 16:44:10 <mranostay> rabbit
Feb 04 16:44:15 <_av500_> wabiit
Feb 04 16:44:40 <mranostay> you know how non-PC that show would be today? :)
Feb 04 16:44:47 <mranostay> making fun of a guy with a lisp
Feb 04 16:46:13 <_av500_> I cannot insult lisp users any more?
Feb 04 16:46:24 <_av500_> what about their parens?
Feb 04 17:04:45 <mdp> lol
Feb 04 17:42:43 <mranostay> heh
Feb 04 17:55:16 <prpplague> hehe i can't believe people are still buying and using the beacon board
Feb 04 17:55:39 <mranostay> heh nice markup on that board if may say so :)
Feb 04 17:55:54 <prpplague> mranostay: hehe, only because you know the cost of the board, hehe
Feb 04 17:56:09 <emeb> do beagle accessories still sell?
Feb 04 17:56:38 <prpplague> emeb: not as much as before but yea
Feb 04 17:56:44 <emeb> hmmm...
Feb 04 17:56:46 <prpplague> emeb: we've gotten rid of most of them
Feb 04 17:57:18 <prpplague> emeb: but i was just about to say, i just got an email from an indian university that wants a beacon board for the bone
Feb 04 17:57:19 <emeb> I've got this design for a rev 2 beagle FPGA board that is known good but needs to be respun.
Feb 04 17:57:23 <prpplague> they want to order 500
Feb 04 17:57:41 <emeb> wow - that's a bunch.
Feb 04 17:57:52 <prpplague> emeb: oh right, i need to ping you about a design
Feb 04 17:57:58 <mranostay> prpplague: you respin your talk any for ELC?
Feb 04 17:58:03 <emeb> prpplague: cool - anytime
Feb 04 17:58:15 <prpplague> mranostay: the i2c one, yea
Feb 04 18:50:50 <KotH> n'abend
Feb 04 19:00:09 <mranostay> hey chocolate dude
Feb 04 19:00:34 * djlewis chscks in..
Feb 04 19:00:38 <djlewis> checks
Feb 04 19:04:13 <KotH> hey american youngster dude!
Feb 04 19:04:35 <KotH> you missed a great conference! :-)
Feb 04 19:05:00 <dm8tbr> +1
Feb 04 19:05:58 <KotH> dm8tbr: btw: where were you the last two days?
Feb 04 19:06:04 <KotH> i've not seen you anywhere
Feb 04 19:06:45 <KotH> dm8tbr: btw: you want to have a look at the new edition of the tietze schenk
Feb 04 19:06:57 <dm8tbr> KotH: different interests it seems ;)
Feb 04 19:07:07 <KotH> dm8tbr: they expanded it greatly and now it contains nearly everything you ever wanted to know about electronics :)
Feb 04 19:07:29 <dm8tbr> hehe
Feb 04 19:07:34 * KotH just received it and had an instand EE-gasm
Feb 04 19:07:39 <dm8tbr> :D
Feb 04 19:07:43 <KotH> instant*
Feb 04 19:07:52 <koen> how to put the magic smoke back in?
Feb 04 19:08:09 <KotH> ofc! no book would be complete without that!
Feb 04 19:17:26 <mranostay> how to blame someone other than you for it?
Feb 04 19:28:28 <mdp> mranostay, the art of avoiding responsibility is just that, an art. ;)
Feb 04 19:30:11 <Russ> electronics conference?
Feb 04 19:30:42 <mranostay> uh oh just saw a coworker go buy with a cardboard box
Feb 04 19:32:11 <prpplague> mranostay: did it smell like there was a dead cat in it?
Feb 04 19:32:22 <mdp> mranostay, amazon smiley on the side?
Feb 04 19:32:49 <prpplague> mranostay / mdp btw, i have lots of stickers for you guys
Feb 04 19:32:55 <mdp> was the box in question, brown in color?
Feb 04 19:32:58 <Russ> was there a plant in the box?
Feb 04 19:33:11 <KotH> Russ: fosdem
Feb 04 19:33:12 <_av500_> a severed head of course
Feb 04 19:33:24 <Russ> didn't realize that was EE
Feb 04 19:33:24 <_av500_> what people put in boxes these days
Feb 04 19:33:34 <prpplague> did your geiger cape go nuts when it passed by?
Feb 04 19:33:59 <mdp> _av500_: and a plant to make use of the decomposing organic material...this makes sense
Feb 04 19:34:07 <KotH> Russ: not ee per se... but lots of freaks that do not mind holding a soldering iron
Feb 04 19:34:13 <_av500_> mdp: yes
Feb 04 19:34:18 <_av500_> mdp: be green
Feb 04 19:35:03 <KotH> _av500_: btw: i think you passed your sore throat onto me ^^'
Feb 04 19:35:07 <mdp> reuse, repurpose, recycle
Feb 04 19:44:51 <_av500_> KotH: yes, why throw it away and waste it
Feb 04 20:04:37 <mrpackethead_> trolls
Feb 04 20:05:28 <mru> trolls trolls troll troll trolls
Feb 04 20:06:55 <xxiao> if math emulation and soft-float are both on, which one will be used by default
Feb 04 20:07:03 <mrpackethead_> in deed in deed.
Feb 04 20:07:32 <mru> soft-float is a compiler setting, math emu a kernel one
Feb 04 20:07:46 <xxiao> mru: know that, if both one, which one will be used?
Feb 04 20:07:51 <xxiao> s/one/on/
Feb 04 20:07:57 <mru> the question does not make sense
Feb 04 20:08:32 <mrpackethead_> .
Feb 04 20:08:42 <mru> ,
Feb 04 20:08:52 <KotH> ;
Feb 04 20:09:03 <_av500_> :
Feb 04 20:09:05 <xxiao> ok, i build a rootfs with soft-float, i have floating point instructions in my app, meanwhile kernel can trap floating instructions, who is going to do the real flaoting calculation
Feb 04 20:09:28 <mru> if you build with soft-float, you by definition do not have fp instructions
Feb 04 20:09:35 <mru> that's what softfloat means
Feb 04 20:09:58 <_av500_> maybe he means fp with soft calling convenctions
Feb 04 20:10:10 <mru> then he should say that
Feb 04 20:10:27 <koen> maybe he reads phoronix and ubuntu forums
Feb 04 20:10:31 <xxiao> i have just _one_ new fpu instruction that is not in soft-float yet, and want to put it to kernel trap, however want to let the rest general fpu instructions handled by soft-float
Feb 04 20:10:51 <mrpackethead> mmm..
Feb 04 20:10:56 <_av500_> +1
Feb 04 20:11:00 <mru> now I suspect there's something important you're not telling us
Feb 04 20:11:08 <_av500_> his PIN code
Feb 04 20:11:08 * koen senses arago induced braindamage
Feb 04 20:11:30 <koen> and a 2.6.37 kernel
Feb 04 20:11:35 <mrpackethead> xxiao: please give us the numbers to your bitcoin bank account
Feb 04 20:12:01 <_av500_> koen: is the arago kernel better than the linux one?
Feb 04 20:12:37 <koen> yes, it's on the a-list
Feb 04 20:13:08 <xxiao> have not checked at arago for a few months, still 2.6.37/
Feb 04 20:13:10 <xxiao> ?
Feb 04 20:13:23 <xxiao> even freescale is doing 3.0!
Feb 04 20:14:21 <mdp> mmm, a-listers
Feb 04 20:15:00 <mranostay> xxiao: you want new or one that works? :)
Feb 04 20:15:55 <panto> 2.4 were the best; 2001 was the best year for vintage kernel
Feb 04 20:15:58 <panto> *kernels
Feb 04 20:16:08 <panto> k, have to catch some zzzzs
Feb 04 20:16:09 * mranostay smacks panto 
Feb 04 20:16:18 <panto> cya tomorrow people and mranostay
Feb 04 20:16:23 <mranostay> i'm people too!
Feb 04 20:16:29 <panto> prove it
Feb 04 20:16:36 <Russ> c'mon, 2.2 on ARM?
Feb 04 20:16:40 <Russ> that was the bomb
Feb 04 20:16:49 <mranostay> old farts in here :)
Feb 04 20:16:50 <panto> cya
Feb 04 20:17:01 <xxiao> new kernels are for servers _only_, that's what Linus was hired for nowadays
Feb 04 20:17:24 <xxiao> http://thealisters.com/
Feb 04 20:17:29 <mrpackethead> what myth is being propogated today...
Feb 04 20:24:00 <djlewis> old farts never blow away, they just get older
Feb 04 20:25:33 <mdp> mrpackethead: we are creating the new truth
Feb 04 20:33:21 <_av500_> a better truth
Feb 04 20:46:42 <prpplague> anyone have experience with the velleman LAB1U workstation? https://www.vellemanusa.com/products/view/?id=522812  , seems interesting
Feb 04 20:47:57 <ynezz> nice
Feb 04 20:48:41 <_av500_> prpplague: not the unix philosophy
Feb 04 20:48:55 <_av500_> reminds me of TVs with inbuilt VCRs
Feb 04 20:49:01 <_av500_> hugely popular
Feb 04 20:49:02 <prpplague> _av500_: ahh
Feb 04 20:49:38 <prpplague> _av500_: i am remodeling my shop in my garage and thought that it would be a good secondary workstation
Feb 04 20:49:53 <_av500_> do you trust that multimeter?
Feb 04 20:50:05 <_av500_> inside the same case a PSU and transformer for the iron?
Feb 04 20:50:27 <prpplague> _av500_: there are in seperate cases, they are modular
Feb 04 20:50:40 <_av500_> do you trust the cheap pot in that PSU to not fail and go to full voltage?
Feb 04 20:50:40 <prpplague> just fit on a base
Feb 04 20:50:50 <prpplague> hehe
Feb 04 20:51:03 <prpplague> _av500_: well i trust velleman to some extent
Feb 04 20:51:25 <djlewis> spare parts avail?
Feb 04 20:52:14 <_av500_> prpplague: check the PDF, no separate cases
Feb 04 20:52:23 <_av500_> at least the DMM is battery powered
Feb 04 20:52:29 <_av500_> its still nonsense
Feb 04 20:52:39 <_av500_> youd want the iron with you in a car one day
Feb 04 20:52:53 <prpplague> _av500_: yea i have one here, they are in separate cases, but with a piece of plastic that holds them together
Feb 04 20:53:00 <_av500_> or some other spot where you dont want to lug the rest around
Feb 04 20:53:14 <_av500_> not in the PDF
Feb 04 20:53:18 <_av500_> there a pic of it open
Feb 04 20:53:24 <_av500_> but anyway
Feb 04 20:53:34 <koen> prpplague: want to have a beagle* with a 7" LCD running pulseview at ELC?
Feb 04 20:53:59 <prpplague> koen: hehe
Feb 04 20:54:31 * koen suspects it's will be an xM for DMA capable USB
Feb 04 20:54:32 <prpplague> koen: be nice, but i personally don't have the time to work on anything else for ELC
Feb 04 20:54:58 <prpplague> koen: already got myself volunteered for the beagle tutorials
Feb 04 20:55:29 <_av500_> koen: if you fly me over I can help you at the booth :)
Feb 04 20:56:14 <prpplague> koen: i hope to have my new hdmi/dvi breakout board there for people to look at
Feb 04 21:13:06 <keesj> is the devicetree needed for Angstrom/3.2.16/beagleboard  ?
Feb 04 21:56:35 <koen> keesj: no
Feb 04 21:56:51 <koen> keesj: it's not even possible with 3.2.x/beagle
Feb 04 22:09:51 <mranostay> you mean only evil koen's evil vendor tree has it?
Feb 04 22:12:42 <CareBear\> koen : would have been fun to say hi at fosdem - sorry I missed you
Feb 04 22:13:18 * _av500_ needs to take 2 clones to next FOSDEM
Feb 04 22:13:37 <CareBear\> yes, good plan
Feb 04 22:13:53 <_av500_> jonmasters had at least one with him
Feb 04 22:14:31 <mranostay> heh
Feb 04 22:14:56 <_av500_> hmm, some blog just reviewed two movies in the same order that I just saw them. I wonder if they use the same file sharing site :)
Feb 04 22:15:38 * mranostay reports _av500_ 
Feb 04 22:16:05 <_av500_> +1
Feb 04 22:16:20 <_av500_> I mean, use only for "inspiration" of course
Feb 04 22:17:28 * mranostay wants to cluebat the person that has a VNC session open to get a console
Feb 04 22:17:41 <keesj> thanks.
Feb 04 22:17:44 <mranostay> that isn't bad except the fiberlamp screensaver is taking up 50% of one core
Feb 04 22:18:08 <_av500_> you still have 7.5 other cores, no?
Feb 04 22:18:17 <_av500_> -ENOBIGDEAL
Feb 04 22:18:21 <mranostay> 3.5
Feb 04 22:18:28 <_av500_> penny pincher
Feb 04 22:18:58 <mranostay> not in charge of purchasing here
Feb 04 22:19:09 <_av500_> its not about purchasing
Feb 04 22:19:16 <_av500_> more about re-arranging PCs
Feb 04 22:19:19 <_av500_> :)
Feb 04 22:19:46 <mranostay> more like never heard of screen
Feb 04 22:28:36 <mru> mranostay: vnc can be used for other things than viewing the console on virtual machines?
Feb 04 22:29:25 <mranostay> well that would great if that is what they were doing :)
Feb 04 22:31:46 <mdp> xrdb is the tool of choice for sharing console
Feb 04 22:31:57 <mdp> p!
Feb 04 22:32:08 <mru> xrdb is something rather different...
Feb 04 22:34:32 <mdp> it serves only to please our windows friends
Feb 04 22:34:33 <_av500_> what happened to faxing screen shots?
Feb 04 22:39:00 * mranostay whistles and does a  'apt-get remove xscreensaver'
Feb 04 22:39:14 <_av500_> nooooooooooo
Feb 04 22:41:07 <Kristina> Hm.
Feb 04 22:41:14 <Kristina> I'm confused.
Feb 04 22:41:25 <mranostay> aren't we all?
Feb 04 22:41:33 <Kristina> Where does the bootrom load my image when it reads it off MMC?
Feb 04 22:41:43 <mru> sram
Feb 04 22:41:57 <Kristina> And where is SRAM on Beagle xM?
Feb 04 22:42:02 <mru> onchip
Feb 04 22:42:08 <Kristina> I mean the offset.
Feb 04 22:42:13 <mru> that's in the trm
Feb 04 22:42:26 <mru> starts with a 4 iirc
Feb 04 22:43:38 <Kristina> Oh, wow, do I only get 64KB for stage0?
Feb 04 22:43:43 <_av500_> yes
Feb 04 22:43:50 <_av500_> in fact, no
Feb 04 22:43:52 <mru> that's why the bootloader is split
Feb 04 22:43:57 <_av500_> you can boot from *raw* MMC
Feb 04 22:44:03 <_av500_> and add a configuration header
Feb 04 22:44:13 <_av500_> in that case you can setup SDRAM and have all the space you want
Feb 04 22:44:29 <_av500_> but you lose the convenience of FAT32
Feb 04 22:44:39 <Kristina> _av500_: I'm booting from raw anyway.
Feb 04 22:44:50 <Kristina> Well, trying to.
Feb 04 22:45:24 <_av500_> Kristina: http://nishanthmenon.blogspot.de/2009/05/configuration-header-no-more-x-loader.html
Feb 04 22:48:07 <Kristina> I'm trying to make my bootloader act as a stage0 loader.
Feb 04 22:48:21 <Kristina> Well, a reduced configuration of it.
Feb 04 22:48:32 <_av500_> that is one way
Feb 04 22:48:41 <_av500_> like uboot and what they call SPL
Feb 04 22:49:36 <Kristina> _av500_: So, to do it that way, do I need to put a TOC at 0x0, followed by a void CHSETTINGS, followed by a GP header that instructs the thing to load my image into SRAM?
Feb 04 22:49:48 <_av500_> something like that
Feb 04 22:50:04 <_av500_> I dont know all the details
Feb 04 22:50:07 <_av500_> just that its possible
Feb 04 22:50:44 <Kristina> Grrr.
Feb 04 22:50:52 * _av500_ hides
Feb 04 22:50:56 <Kristina> I don't think I can have HFS+ support in stage0.
Feb 04 22:51:06 <_av500_> maybe not
Feb 04 22:51:26 <Kristina> It needs quite a bit of memory.
Feb 04 22:51:34 <_av500_> well, then have it in stage 1
Feb 04 22:52:07 <_av500_> why dont you use uboot in a FAT partition?
Feb 04 22:52:12 <_av500_> and load your kernel from there?
Feb 04 22:52:24 <Kristina> Because uboot can't load my kernel.
Feb 04 22:52:29 <_av500_> it can be made to
Feb 04 22:52:39 <Kristina> I don't like uboot, my bootloader is nicer.
Feb 04 22:52:48 <_av500_> mine is even nicer
Feb 04 22:53:00 <Kristina> It is? :O
Feb 04 22:53:16 <_av500_> beauty, eye, beholder
Feb 04 22:53:40 <Kristina> Mine has threading. And networking. And HFS+ :P
Feb 04 22:53:56 <Kristina> Oh, and a video console.
Feb 04 22:53:57 <mranostay> threading in a bootloader? why is that important?
Feb 04 22:54:04 <Kristina> mranostay: It's cool.
Feb 04 22:54:12 <Kristina> Also, stuff like LCD init.
Feb 04 22:54:12 * mranostay facepalms
Feb 04 22:54:30 <mru> mranostay: the boot console on dec alpha systems has multitasking
Feb 04 22:54:46 <Kristina> If we need to wait for LCD controller to come on, we might as well do something else instead of spinning.
Feb 04 22:54:47 <_av500_> anyway, it's not finished until it can do email....
Feb 04 22:55:11 <mranostay> mru: not that old :P
Feb 04 22:55:13 <Kristina> It can also emulate a UEFI firmware.
Feb 04 22:55:32 <mranostay> _av500_: heh email patchset for u-boot would be fun to do :P
Feb 04 22:55:44 <mranostay> if only to have Tartarus stab me repeatly
Feb 04 22:56:05 <Kristina> Oh, also, I'm planning to add support for downloading images using the HTTP protocol.
Feb 04 22:56:20 <mranostay> no gopher?
Feb 04 22:56:28 <Kristina> Haha.
Feb 04 22:56:44 <Kristina> Laugh all you want.
Feb 04 22:56:48 <_av500_> mranostay: https://gitorious.org/tinymail
Feb 04 22:56:49 <Tartarus> I feel I'm the one being trolled here.
Feb 04 22:56:57 <_av500_> mranostay: its needs glib though :)
Feb 04 22:57:07 <_av500_> so send a glib patch first
Feb 04 22:57:30 <Kristina> I don't see the harm in having a functional bootloader.
Feb 04 22:57:30 <_av500_> g_strdup might be handy in uboot anyway
Feb 04 22:57:35 <_av500_> Kristina: sure
Feb 04 22:57:53 <_av500_> I was just thinking time to market
Feb 04 22:58:19 <_av500_> you can have uboot load your bootloader :)
Feb 04 22:58:32 <_av500_> with usb+eth stuff even from the net
Feb 04 22:58:36 <mdp> can barebox help here?
Feb 04 22:58:36 <Kristina> I really don't like uboot :/
Feb 04 22:58:43 <_av500_> okok
Feb 04 22:58:55 <_av500_> nobody really like it
Feb 04 22:58:57 <_av500_> +s
Feb 04 22:59:10 <mdp> coreboot will work
Feb 04 22:59:14 <Kristina> HFS support is great.
Feb 04 22:59:15 <mranostay> how about Red Boot?
Feb 04 22:59:16 <mdp> or omapboot
Feb 04 22:59:20 <_av500_> fastboot
Feb 04 22:59:24 <mdp> +1 on redboot
Feb 04 22:59:28 <Kristina> I can load mach_kernel straight from the HFS+ volume.
Feb 04 22:59:32 <Tartarus> _av500_: y u make me cry?
Feb 04 22:59:36 <mdp> you could you plain x-loader
Feb 04 22:59:44 <mdp> s/you/use/
Feb 04 22:59:50 * mranostay gives Tartarus a hug..
Feb 04 22:59:52 <_av500_> mdp: is it "nice"?
Feb 04 22:59:58 <mranostay> "he didn't mean it"
Feb 04 23:00:05 <Tartarus> *sniff*
Feb 04 23:00:14 <Kristina> Actually yeah, I could just use X-Loader.
Feb 04 23:00:26 <Kristina> But I need to build it using the none-eabi toolchain.
Feb 04 23:00:26 <_av500_> solved, next
Feb 04 23:00:27 <mdp> there's a lot of nice steps on the TI wiki
Feb 04 23:00:33 * mdp updates the big board
Feb 04 23:00:38 <Kristina> I want to use the Darwin toolchain.
Feb 04 23:00:44 <Kristina> Because I love the Darwin toolchain.
Feb 04 23:00:48 <Kristina> I use it for everything.
Feb 04 23:00:52 <mdp> I love it too
Feb 04 23:00:56 <mdp> but it doesn't love me
Feb 04 23:01:09 <mdp> this resulted in a restraining order
Feb 04 23:01:11 <_av500_> mdp: you share that feeling with uboot?
Feb 04 23:01:34 <mdp> uboot is my crazy uncle
Feb 04 23:01:35 <_av500_> mranostay: hug him
Feb 04 23:01:38 <Kristina> The darwin toolchain forces you to write obscure utilities to compensate for the lack of linker script support.
Feb 04 23:01:46 <mranostay> i'm hugged out for the day
Feb 04 23:01:50 <_av500_> definitely a plus
Feb 04 23:01:52 <Kristina> The Apple Way (c)
Feb 04 23:02:08 <_av500_> can it make binaries with rounded corners?
Feb 04 23:02:09 <mdp> better than the Ubuntu way
Feb 04 23:02:20 <mdp> I wish we could use Linux
Feb 04 23:02:32 <_av500_> mdp: as soon as it is RTM
Feb 04 23:02:33 <mdp> or even Android, I hear it has a linker
Feb 04 23:02:47 <mdp> _av500_: tomorrow
Feb 04 23:02:56 <_av500_> mdp: i'm dying to test it
Feb 04 23:03:33 <mranostay> what is some of those Linuxs' we gots?
Feb 04 23:03:33 <_av500_> I already addded a [linux] section to my win.ini
Feb 04 23:03:41 <Kristina> _av500_: doesn't this look fun? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2114773
Feb 04 23:04:14 <thurbad> I don't like linux... ubuntu is so much better
Feb 04 23:04:47 <_av500_> Kristina: gonorrhea sounds fun, yes
Feb 04 23:04:59 <_av500_> thurbad: I heard it also has more clouds
Feb 04 23:05:14 <mranostay> _av500_: +1
Feb 04 23:05:16 <Kristina> That's my tool for working with OMAP3 images.
Feb 04 23:05:16 <mdp> I like clouds
Feb 04 23:05:19 <thurbad> oh boy, my boss loves clouds
Feb 04 23:05:22 <mdp> I like the sky
Feb 04 23:05:30 <Kristina> I'm beginning to dislike omap3 as a platform.
Feb 04 23:05:33 <mru> the sky is the limit
Feb 04 23:05:45 <_av500_> sky.net
Feb 04 23:05:48 <Kristina> PBA8 is a lot more hack friendly.
Feb 04 23:05:56 <_av500_> pbawhat?
Feb 04 23:06:14 <_av500_> ah
Feb 04 23:06:15 <prpplague> Kristina: technically you aren't working with OMAP3, but is splitting hairs
Feb 04 23:06:15 <_av500_> versatile
Feb 04 23:06:16 <Kristina> RealView baseboard for A8.
Feb 04 23:06:23 <_av500_> then use that
Feb 04 23:06:29 <Kristina> _av500_: No GPU :(
Feb 04 23:06:43 <mdp> I like OMAP3, it's like Latin
Feb 04 23:06:45 <mranostay> prpplague: i'm not going to make a bald joke here :)
Feb 04 23:06:55 <_av500_> +1
Feb 04 23:06:56 <prpplague> hehe
Feb 04 23:07:05 <Kristina> _av500_: I did xnu-arm bringup on PBA8 though, it was fantastic.
Feb 04 23:07:15 <prpplague> mranostay: hey i have hair, i just keep it short, hehe
Feb 04 23:08:19 <Kristina> PBA8 is good for bringing up bootloaders and kernels but that's pretty much it. Oh, and prototyping hardware.
Feb 04 23:09:10 <Kristina> Getting stuff run on a retail-class device is a slightly different (and more painful) experience.
Feb 04 23:11:03 <_av500_> I guess we agree there
Feb 04 23:11:32 <_av500_> still, ompa3 is not too bad in that regard
Feb 04 23:12:41 <Kristina> I haven't even gotten to booting anything on my beagleboard.
Feb 04 23:13:21 <Kristina> Need to find a BDI config file for it.
Feb 04 23:14:13 <mranostay> *ahem* mdp
Feb 04 23:14:21 <mranostay> Kristina: 2000 or 3000?
Feb 04 23:14:29 <Kristina> 3000 :P
Feb 04 23:14:49 <Kristina> bdiGdb is lovely.
Feb 04 23:15:24 <mdp> a lovely and handsome technology indeed
Feb 04 23:16:17 <mrpackethead> complier differences
Feb 04 23:16:21 <mrpackethead> and a lack of understanding..
Feb 04 23:16:23 <mrpackethead> grrr.
Feb 04 23:17:09 <mdp> _av500_, oompa loompa3?
Feb 04 23:18:01 <Kristina> You cannot imagine the nightmares I have from using the Darwin toolchain for low level development.
Feb 04 23:18:23 <mru> so don't
Feb 04 23:19:10 <Kristina> It's like an abusive relationship.
Feb 04 23:19:39 <Kristina> The Darwin toolchain hurts me. But I love it, and I'm not going to leave it.
Feb 04 23:21:04 <mdp> someday you'll crack and burn its bed
Feb 04 23:21:15 <_av500_> or the other way round
Feb 04 23:21:27 <mdp> now Darwin evolve you!
Feb 04 23:21:32 <mru> it will stab you while you sleep
Feb 04 23:21:46 * Kristina hugs apple-arm-darwin.
Feb 04 23:22:37 <Kristina> So instead, I wrote a tool that stictches an MBR and a stage0 to an HFS+ volume.
Feb 04 23:22:51 <Kristina> Forming something resembling a bootable MMC image.
Feb 04 23:23:15 <_av500_> you can always make a small FAT partition and a large HFS+
Feb 04 23:23:32 <_av500_> I dont see why you need some extra magic here
Feb 04 23:23:58 <Kristina> _av500_: Not on OSX ... HDIX is too retarded to mount a MBR based image. So I can't really edit it.
Feb 04 23:24:25 <_av500_> ah, more abusive stuff
Feb 04 23:24:55 <Kristina> So I have to mount the HFS+ volume first, edit it and then apply black magic to it.
Feb 04 23:25:11 <Kristina> Or I could just format the SD card under Linux.
Feb 04 23:25:23 <Kristina> But that's cheating.
Feb 04 23:25:29 <_av500_> oh well
Feb 04 23:25:33 <thurbad> if it works it works
Feb 04 23:25:44 <_av500_> it's not "nice" I guess
Feb 04 23:25:52 <Kristina> No. It has to work The Apple Way (c).
Feb 04 23:25:59 <thurbad> lol
Feb 04 23:26:23 * _av500_ guesses the bootloader has a fake leather onscreen UI 
Feb 04 23:26:49 <Kristina> It's called skeumorphism!!! (did I spell that right?)
Feb 04 23:27:04 <_av500_> but they fired skeumorphism
Feb 04 23:27:07 <Kristina> Ironically, I actually use irssi as my IRC client.
Feb 04 23:27:25 <_av500_> is there a brushed metal plugin?
Feb 04 23:27:39 <Kristina> Not really :P
Feb 04 23:28:03 <Kristina> I just use it inside a screen session over SSH. So it's a plain ol' terminal.
Feb 04 23:28:14 <Kristina> Well, not plain, it has colours!
Feb 04 23:29:09 <Kristina> It's funny because stuff like iPod firmwares are actually compiled on Windows under Cygwin ...
Feb 04 23:29:25 <Kristina> Same with diagnostic images for iPhone and w/e.
Feb 04 23:59:21 <mru> stalking pics from fosdem posted...
Feb 05 00:00:13 <mru> KotH: ^^ google has your picture, like it or not :)
Feb 05 00:12:33 <mranostay> hehe
Feb 05 00:14:06 <mranostay> looks like fun
Feb 05 00:34:32 <mru> mranostay: it was
Feb 05 00:34:46 <mru> too much fun
Feb 05 00:42:54 <mranostay> mru: no such thing as too much fun
Feb 05 01:01:47 <CareBear\> Kristina : maybe you can use mtools
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