**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 08 02:59:59 2013
Feb 08 03:29:43 <Russ> yay, I made it back to civilization
Feb 08 04:11:08 <swjh> Russ: I am using clock_nanosleep and sched_setscheduler on my code however, the time between signals are 591 microseconds where it supposed to be 416 usec. could you take a look at my code if I am doing something wrong http://pastebin.com/KgPFcF5k  ? when I remove  clock_nanosleep  on the while(1) loop, I measure the time between the signals as 11.2 nanoseconds. it seems like I am doing something wrong
Feb 08 04:17:35 <Russ> what is the resolution of the timer you are using?
Feb 08 04:19:11 <Russ> and what is your timer slack?
Feb 08 04:21:20 <swjh> 1ms/div
Feb 08 04:21:45 <Russ> if your timer slack is 1ms, you need to adjust it
Feb 08 04:22:50 <swjh> I am using a digital oscilloscope that automatically adjusts the axises,it looks fine on it http://i.stack.imgur.com/smQgT.png
Feb 08 04:24:04 <Russ> ok, you are telling me the answer to different question
Feb 08 04:24:09 <Russ> what about the two questions I asked?
Feb 08 04:24:11 <swjh> do you see any mistake on my code? is there another way to validate whether the timing is accurate or not?
Feb 08 04:24:44 <swjh> ah sorry, I noticed that I misunderstood your questions
Feb 08 04:33:13 <swjh> Russ: now I understand how I suppose to use clock_nanosleep. I fix the resolution and it works perfectly now:) thank you very much:)
Feb 08 04:41:02 <mranostay> nice netsplit
Feb 08 04:42:29 <Russ> swjh, I'm amazed it actually worked from userspace :)
Feb 08 04:44:37 <swjh> Russ: it works with 9 microsecond deviation but it should be normal I guess. I learned useful information from you, thanks a lot for your helps
Feb 08 04:45:53 <Russ> are you using absolute times with clock_nanosleep? That would make it so you jitter instead of drift
Feb 08 04:47:51 <swjh> I use clock_getres( CLOCK_REALTIME, &req); clock_nanosleep(CLOCK_MONOTONIC ,0, &req, NULL); if I did not understand it wrong, it is relative time, isn't it?
Feb 08 04:48:50 <Russ> the TIMER_ABSTIME indicates you want an absolute time
Feb 08 04:49:20 <Russ> ...and that isn't what you use clock_getres for, did you read the manpage?
Feb 08 04:58:25 <mranostay> Russ: who reads the docs?
Feb 08 04:58:48 <emeb_mac> when all else fails....
Feb 08 05:00:11 <swjh> I read it, I read it again
Feb 08 05:01:11 <emeb_mac> read all the things!
Feb 08 05:02:24 <swjh> I am doing it, it would help if the man pages have good examples as well.
Feb 08 05:24:21 <mranostay> heh never noticed the bear on my CA drivers license
Feb 08 05:25:15 <ds2> are you making private copies?
Feb 08 05:25:35 <emeb_mac> bearwithme
Feb 08 05:25:42 <emeb_mac> as it were...
Feb 08 05:41:04 <swjh> Russ: clock_getres outputs the resolution time is 1 nsec, I could not find any clue to use it on clock_nanosleep(). what am I doing wrong on my code?
Feb 08 05:51:03 <Russ> clock_getres just tells you what to expect from a specific clock
Feb 08 05:51:15 <Russ> strange you asked about CLOCK_REALTIME, but then used CLOCK_MONOTONIC
Feb 08 05:51:23 <Russ> you also have to look at timer slack though
Feb 08 05:52:06 <ds2> stop the userland madness!
Feb 08 05:53:55 <swjh> Russ: I corrected CLOCK_REALTIME. how can I look at timer slack?
Feb 08 05:55:40 <Russ> did you ream man 7 time
Feb 08 05:55:55 <Russ> ds2, I'm in a reckless mood
Feb 08 05:59:14 <ds2> admitting to CUI?
Feb 08 05:59:51 <Russ> no, no performance enhancing substances
Feb 08 06:05:23 <Russ> mdp is a famous internet person https://lwn.net/Articles/536016/
Feb 08 06:06:00 <mranostay> i need to latch on this stuff :P
Feb 08 07:14:07 <KotH> greetings trolls
Feb 08 07:15:14 <mranostay> crap
Feb 08 07:16:25 <KotH> that's not a nice greeting
Feb 08 07:17:18 * mranostay tosses a chocolate at KotH 
Feb 08 07:17:25 <ka6sox> The troll reference or crap?
Feb 08 07:17:29 * emeb_mac used to have a doormat that said "Oh No! Not you again!"
Feb 08 07:17:36 <KotH> mranostay: thanks, but i have swiss chocolate
Feb 08 07:21:41 <mranostay> so a logic analyzer that drops one sample in 8khz, bad? :)
Feb 08 07:23:04 <KotH> mranostay: how much data does it generate?
Feb 08 07:23:25 <tsjsieb> goodmorning
Feb 08 07:23:37 <mranostay> 200 mhz samples possible
Feb 08 07:23:43 <mranostay> so 100 mhz signal
Feb 08 07:24:34 <Russ> hmm 'Restricting voltage, 3735899821-4294967295uV'
Feb 08 07:24:43 <KotH> you're measuring digital, so you are not limited by the shanon limit :)
Feb 08 07:24:51 <KotH> er.. niquist limit
Feb 08 07:24:55 <KotH> still too early ^^'
Feb 08 07:24:59 <Russ> only 4MV, that'd be ok
Feb 08 07:25:23 <KotH> Russ: cool.. my devices only do 2MV
Feb 08 07:25:30 <mranostay> crap right not a DSO
Feb 08 07:25:54 <Russ> given the '��π�:' device name printed before it, I think there may be something uninitialized
Feb 08 07:26:30 <KotH> mranostay: if you are sampling with 8khz and losing samples, then i would guess there is a software bug in the control soft
Feb 08 07:27:30 <mranostay> KotH: no this would done with a PRU :)
Feb 08 07:27:52 <mranostay> there is a pesky jmp _start statement :)
Feb 08 07:28:18 <KotH> mranostay: get a asix sigma2
Feb 08 07:28:29 <KotH> easier, less work and it does work very well
Feb 08 07:32:17 <mranostay> trying to exploit the PRU for $$$ :)
Feb 08 07:32:55 <mranostay> or at least $$
Feb 08 07:37:51 <CareBear\> bitbang
Feb 08 07:41:59 <mranostay> +1
Feb 08 08:07:03 <tsjsieb> anybody here ever tried to use 9-bit uart on omap? (by 'mis-using' the parity bit)
Feb 08 08:07:13 <tsjsieb> and no, I don't want to bitbang it ;)
Feb 08 08:10:31 <tsjsieb> I'm able to send 9-bit's (using STKYP in UART LCR register) but I'm not able to read back the 9-bit answer
Feb 08 08:13:17 <mranostay> er don't you need that stop bit to be sane?
Feb 08 08:15:05 <tsjsieb> No, its the 9'th bith is only used to mark the message as an 'adress-message' in the send message and to mark the 'end-message' in the received message
Feb 08 08:15:58 <tsjsieb> (its MDB, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multidrop_bus a bus used in vending machines)
Feb 08 08:22:07 <Russ> sounds like a job for the PRU
Feb 08 08:22:47 <tsjsieb> PRU?
Feb 08 08:23:02 <Russ> programmable realtime unit, its available on some omap processors
Feb 08 08:23:19 <mrpacket_> Popcorn Rehashing Unit
Feb 08 08:23:44 <mrpacket_> mouser sent me a FRAM for dummies book today
Feb 08 08:23:49 <mrpacket_> not sure what thats about
Feb 08 08:42:46 <KotH> mrpacket_: TI FRAM MCUs for dummies?
Feb 08 08:45:54 <_av500_> I have that too
Feb 08 08:46:06 <_av500_> proves I am a dummy
Feb 08 08:49:16 <dm8tbr> hmm one thing I'm somehow missing with prpplague's muxing thingy is, how does it switch? or is it really just for 'listening' to the SDIO?
Feb 08 08:49:30 <_av500_> not sure
Feb 08 08:49:41 <dm8tbr> IOW I don't see two pins labelled 'switch' ;)
Feb 08 08:51:29 <_av500_> i guess we have to wait for TX to wake up
Feb 08 08:58:55 <Russ> need to see the back
Feb 08 09:00:29 <_av500_> back in black
Feb 08 09:02:50 <Russ> U1 and U3 are probably 74157's
Feb 08 09:03:30 <Russ> their A/B pin is pin 1
Feb 08 09:03:35 <Russ> which goes to a via, so I can't see
Feb 08 09:04:50 <Russ> it looks like A/B is probably wired into VCC of target
Feb 08 09:04:55 <Russ> which U2 switches on and off
Feb 08 09:05:15 <Russ> err, wait, VCC comes from the target
Feb 08 09:05:21 <Russ> it all makes sense now
Feb 08 09:05:29 <Russ> when the target is off, the host controls the sd card
Feb 08 09:05:45 <_av500_> yes
Feb 08 09:05:49 <_av500_> that is what I thought
Feb 08 09:06:16 <_av500_> so you need a tgt power switch to make it work
Feb 08 09:07:21 <Russ> U2 must be a diode pair, allowing J1 to be powered by host or target
Feb 08 09:08:29 <_av500_> Russ: you are doing reverse-name-that-ware :)
Feb 08 09:09:01 <Russ> would you like a schematic?
Feb 08 09:09:18 <_av500_> to make it count, I need the VHDL of the 74157 :)
Feb 08 09:13:43 <mrpacket_> KotH, thats the one
Feb 08 09:13:57 <KotH> mrpacket_: dont waste your time reading it
Feb 08 09:14:06 <KotH> mrpacket_: all it tells you is that fram is so much better than flash
Feb 08 09:14:06 <_av500_> I wasted 15minutes
Feb 08 09:14:24 <KotH> poor _av500_
Feb 08 09:14:27 <_av500_> now I want a board with 1GB FRAM
Feb 08 09:14:31 <KotH> you'll never get those 15min back
Feb 08 09:14:33 <dm8tbr> mhm, I guess switching by host is one approach. although cards are hot-plug, so an external option might be good too
Feb 08 09:15:50 <ka6sox> av500, why VHDL of that chip...
Feb 08 09:16:11 <_av500_> ka6sox: tp up the ante
Feb 08 09:16:13 <_av500_> to*
Feb 08 09:16:21 <_av500_> Russ is too good
Feb 08 09:16:54 <ka6sox> thats a boring chip
Feb 08 09:18:12 <ka6sox> I *should* be asleep...but having too much fun finally getting to design instead of solve problems.
Feb 08 09:18:32 * KotH gives ka6sox a turkish coffee
Feb 08 09:18:45 <dm8tbr> uh, neat so the chip in some form has been around since 1974. :)
Feb 08 09:19:18 <_av500_> ka6sox: I love to desing problems
Feb 08 09:19:22 <_av500_> design*
Feb 08 09:20:50 <ka6sox> dm8tbr, ya, thats only 15 gates
Feb 08 09:21:20 <ka6sox> _av500_, mostly I get to solve mux problems..not design them (these days)
Feb 08 09:21:27 <dm8tbr> yup, saw the datasheet
Feb 08 09:21:39 <ka6sox> boring....but useful
Feb 08 09:21:49 <ka6sox> hardly worth even a CPLD
Feb 08 09:22:05 <ka6sox> a PAL maybe
Feb 08 09:22:38 <_av500_> tubes
Feb 08 09:23:10 <ka6sox> ya, Valves FTW
Feb 08 09:23:24 <dm8tbr> nixies? ;)
Feb 08 09:23:39 <ka6sox> sssh, you will wake up mranostay
Feb 08 09:23:42 <KotH> pixies?
Feb 08 09:23:54 <_av500_> dixies
Feb 08 09:24:16 * dm8tbr would rather use 4CX10000 or something like that, but that's not exactly the application area
Feb 08 09:24:33 <KotH> _av500_: our generation did not do these dances
Feb 08 09:24:35 <KotH> ;)
Feb 08 09:24:51 <ka6sox> dm8tbr, I have one of those for a doorstop.
Feb 08 09:25:00 <dm8tbr> :D
Feb 08 09:25:10 <dm8tbr> also makes a good boat-anchor
Feb 08 09:25:12 <ka6sox> it has a shattered grid.
Feb 08 09:25:33 <ka6sox> don't get any of the berylium on you
Feb 08 09:25:49 <dm8tbr> yeah, that's nasty stuff
Feb 08 09:26:13 <ka6sox> thankfully most of the transmitters I worked on have switched from 9700V@4A to 45V@280A
Feb 08 09:26:16 * _av500_ loves Berylium Waffles
Feb 08 09:26:26 <_av500_> or how are they called?
Feb 08 09:26:35 <ka6sox> cakes
Feb 08 09:26:37 <dm8tbr> mmmmmm, waffles...
Feb 08 09:26:39 <mrpacket_> it was a way of getting you to read a TI white paper
Feb 08 09:26:47 <mrpacket_> whcih you normally would ingore
Feb 08 09:27:02 <_av500_> I love the OMAP for dummies
Feb 08 09:27:02 <mrpacket_> What i want to know is why is it called "Ferro"
Feb 08 09:27:10 * ka6sox ambles off to sleep
Feb 08 09:27:22 <mrpacket_> when theres not even a whisker of iron in the thing
Feb 08 09:27:27 <mrpacket_> its a SCAM
Feb 08 09:27:32 <mrpacket_> FRAM is a SCAM
Feb 08 09:27:43 <_av500_> omap for dummies throws you deep inside TI [C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[CDSP codec development
Feb 08 09:27:48 <_av500_> hrmm
Feb 08 09:27:59 * _av500_ kicks the interwebs
Feb 08 09:28:10 <_av500_> mrpacket_: the pins might have iron?
Feb 08 09:28:25 * dm8tbr irons out the pins
Feb 08 09:28:55 <_av500_> isnt the also MRAM, does that have Magneto inside?
Feb 08 09:29:05 <_av500_> there*
Feb 08 09:29:33 <KotH> mrpacket_: ok.. read it
Feb 08 09:29:37 <mrpacket_> is Magneto an ice-cream flavor.
Feb 08 09:29:39 <KotH> mrpacket_: it explains why it is called ferro
Feb 08 09:30:02 <mrpacket_> can i buy some FRAM now.
Feb 08 09:30:14 <_av500_> FerreroRAM
Feb 08 09:30:16 <mrpacket_> does someone have a kernel ready for FRAM
Feb 08 09:30:18 <kos_tom> hoy hoy, joining the SD card device discussion that started on G+ :)
Feb 08 09:30:19 <_av500_> it hasa surprise inside
Feb 08 09:30:30 <_av500_> kos_tom: :)
Feb 08 09:34:15 <dm8tbr> FRAMstag? T5F?
Feb 08 10:29:48 <Russ> koen, congrats on the circuitco milestone
Feb 08 10:30:19 <mrpacket_> milestone?
Feb 08 10:30:48 <koen> Russ: which one?
Feb 08 10:30:57 <koen> 100k beagle or me working there for a year now?
Feb 08 10:31:02 <koen> (or something else)
Feb 08 10:31:05 <Russ> didn't think about the year one
Feb 08 10:31:08 <Russ> but yes, the 100k beagle
Feb 08 10:31:27 <mrpacket_> koen: oh you are a circuit-coer.
Feb 08 10:31:34 <Russ> apparently there will be cake
Feb 08 10:31:53 <koen> I was contemplating asking for #100001
Feb 08 10:31:56 <keesj> gold plated edittion
Feb 08 10:32:00 <koen> and suggesting that 33 beagles is not much
Feb 08 10:32:00 <Russ> I sadly will not get any cake
Feb 08 10:32:22 <felipebalbi> koen: wow, 100k beagles ? congrats :-)
Feb 08 10:32:22 <mrpacket_> don't care for beagle-gold, how far is beagle-black?
Feb 08 10:32:41 <mrpacket_> if you only made them $12.50
Feb 08 10:32:47 <koen> mrpacket_: it is "announced", will launch in a few months provided the software gets fixed
Feb 08 10:33:02 <mrpacket_> cool.
Feb 08 10:33:16 <mrpacket_> the white beagle will remain though?
Feb 08 10:33:20 <koen> yes
Feb 08 10:33:23 <koen> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/BB-BBLK-000/BB-BBLK-000-ND/3884456
Feb 08 10:33:24 <Russ> koen, just out of curiosity, what would be the cost of assembly for 1 of these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/russdill/7453956642/in/set-72157632431535574/lightbox/
Feb 08 10:33:48 <_av500_> Russ: 54
Feb 08 10:34:06 <Russ> av500, damn, that's steep
Feb 08 10:34:06 <mrpacket_> Russ: we'll do it for $53.99
Feb 08 10:34:17 <Russ> if I only do half, is it 26?
Feb 08 10:34:27 <_av500_> Russ: you did not even ask for the currency
Feb 08 10:34:29 <mrpacket_> if i miss some pads, or short them do you mind?
Feb 08 10:34:42 <koen> Russ: ping me on monday, I'll the at the factory then
Feb 08 10:34:51 <mrpacket_> currnecy in #beagle is only ever beer-tokens, or bitcoins
Feb 08 10:35:03 <_av500_> Russ: oh, I thought you wanted that on a t-shirt....
Feb 08 10:35:06 <Russ> ok
Feb 08 10:35:09 <_av500_> never mind
Feb 08 10:35:31 <_av500_> wtf does it do?
Feb 08 10:35:51 <mrpacket_> koen: how viable are mods to the beagle to make somethign thats similar but not standard
Feb 08 10:35:53 <Russ> virtex6 fpga + 128GB flash
Feb 08 10:36:07 <_av500_> ah
Feb 08 10:36:10 <_av500_> so it does nothing
Feb 08 10:36:11 <koen> mrpacket_: that's where cco is making the real money: custom spins
Feb 08 10:36:14 <mrpacket_> in particular i want to get to a few pins that are not avaialble on the header..
Feb 08 10:37:01 <mrpacket_> so, you do that kind of thing?
Feb 08 10:37:23 <koen> yes
Feb 08 10:37:30 <mrpacket_> mmm
Feb 08 10:37:40 <mrpacket_> whos best to talk to then?
Feb 08 10:37:47 <koen> clint@circuitco.com
Feb 08 10:37:52 <mrpacket_> ok..
Feb 08 10:38:40 <koen> cc: bob@circuitco.com as well, clint and I will be travelling and visiting customers the next few weeks
Feb 08 10:38:59 <koen> (translation: drinking beer and eating sushi at ELC)
Feb 08 10:39:18 <koen> which reminds me
Feb 08 10:39:21 <mrpacket_> coming to middle-earth?
Feb 08 10:39:22 <koen> need to start on my slides
Feb 08 10:39:48 <koen> mrpacket_: no, texas and california
Feb 08 10:39:53 <mrpacket_> lol..
Feb 08 10:40:06 <mrpacket_> i will be in both TX and CA in a couple of months
Feb 08 10:40:12 <mrpacket_> what part of TX are you gusy?
Feb 08 10:40:31 * Russ guesses koen is going to dallas
Feb 08 10:40:31 <koen> DFW area
Feb 08 10:40:50 <mrpacket_> oh, very convient
Feb 08 10:41:08 <mrpacket_> thats were i have two customers.
Feb 08 10:41:44 <koen> 'dallas' and 'convenient' in one sentence...
Feb 08 10:42:02 <_av500_> it was as long as TI was there....
Feb 08 10:42:04 <koen> everything is only 10 minutes away by car
Feb 08 10:43:35 <mrpacket_> im wondering if i shoudl consider jsut getting a single board made
Feb 08 10:43:52 <_av500_> unique
Feb 08 10:43:54 <mrpacket_> rather than sticking a beagle on teh back of another board
Feb 08 10:43:57 <_av500_> one of a kind
Feb 08 10:44:03 <_av500_> precioussssss
Feb 08 10:44:16 <Russ> which signals do you need that you aren't getting anyway?
Feb 08 10:44:24 <mrpacket_> Russ: thats top secrect
Feb 08 10:44:33 <mrpacket_>  lol.
Feb 08 10:44:37 <Russ> no pinmux?
Feb 08 10:44:37 <mrpacket_> ones that are NC
Feb 08 10:45:08 <mrpacket_> pinmux yes, but when the copper dont' go to the pin..
Feb 08 10:45:25 <mrpacket_> theres a good chance that the pins could get joint onto something else.
Feb 08 10:45:33 * Russ finds 10 unconnected pins
Feb 08 10:45:49 <Russ> DDR_A14/DDR_A15 can't be it
Feb 08 10:45:55 <Russ> DDR_RESETN can't be it
Feb 08 10:46:31 <mrpacket_> specificlly,
Feb 08 10:46:48 <mrpacket_> T2, V4, T5, V3 and T13
Feb 08 10:47:28 <Russ> PR1_MDIO_DATA?
Feb 08 10:48:45 <Russ> T2 is brought out to P8 pin 42
Feb 08 10:49:07 <mrpacket_> sorry my list is wrong
Feb 08 10:49:23 <mrpacket_> was readiungt the wrong colum
Feb 08 10:49:25 <Russ> V4 is brought out to P8 pin 31
Feb 08 10:49:56 <mrpacket_> R14, U16, T16, V17, T13
Feb 08 10:50:01 <mrpacket_> the other pins are ok
Feb 08 10:50:32 <Russ> is it the PR1_MII interface?
Feb 08 10:50:39 <mrpacket_> yup
Feb 08 10:51:09 <mrpacket_> you can get to the PR0 interface ok
Feb 08 10:52:07 <panto> hi
Feb 08 10:59:50 <mrpacket_> koen, you guys use OrCad for your design work?
Feb 08 11:00:07 <mrpacket_> koen:
Feb 08 11:01:25 <koen> I think so
Feb 08 11:01:35 * koen is the sw guy without a windows computer
Feb 08 11:01:47 <mrpacket_> right..
Feb 08 11:06:22 <mrpacket_> i was musing with the idea of using the beagle design which cc has so freindly shared, and modifying
Feb 08 11:33:28 * _av500_ liked 21WAAHOX5 better
Feb 08 11:33:58 <KotH> juup, sounded like an alien name ;)
Feb 08 11:58:00 <jackmitchell> koen, I see you popped the machine files into meta-beagleboard, however do I also need meta-ti, or am I still asking too early ;)
Feb 08 12:05:13 <koen> jackmitchell: you shouldn't need it
Feb 08 12:05:45 <jackmitchell> koen, ERROR: ParseError at /mnt/SSD/oe-r0005/meta-beagleboard/common-bsp/recipes-kernel/linux/linux.inc:7: Could not inherit file classes/machine_kernel_pr.bbclass
Feb 08 12:08:27 <koen> jackmitchell: yeah, it's still recommended to just use angstrom
Feb 08 12:09:07 * koen updates README
Feb 08 12:09:14 <jackmitchell> koen: np, I'm not in a rush; I just like being a pain ;)
Feb 08 12:39:17 <Crofton|work> I am moving to Germany: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/02/07/fox_news_expert_on_solar_energy_germany_gets_a_lot_more_sun_than_we_do_video.html
Feb 08 12:40:12 <KotH> rotfl
Feb 08 12:59:42 <bbxm> hello there
Feb 08 13:00:19 <bbxm> I'm trying to stream video using gstreamer using beagleboard.
Feb 08 13:00:24 <bbxm> I've some issues
Feb 08 13:00:43 <bbxm> Is there anyone who can help me?
Feb 08 13:01:37 <dm8tbr> not unless you explain your 'issues'
Feb 08 13:01:37 <thurbad> perhaps if you just stated your issues...
Feb 08 13:03:39 <koen> might be better to ask in a gstreamer channel
Feb 08 13:04:52 <mru> or in #issues
Feb 08 13:05:34 <_av500_> or in #using
Feb 08 13:05:49 <mru> _av500_: have you been using again?
Feb 08 13:06:17 <_av500_> PUI all the way
Feb 08 13:06:49 <mru> procrastinating under the influence?
Feb 08 13:06:54 <_av500_> that!
Feb 08 13:07:14 <thurbad> now we'll never know
Feb 08 13:10:26 <_av500_> Crofton|work: awesome
Feb 08 13:10:37 <_av500_> i does feel like Alaska here indeed
Feb 08 13:28:15 <mru> _av500_: because of the bears?
Feb 08 13:28:58 * dm8tbr looks out the window and sees a polar bear devouring some penguins...
Feb 08 13:30:35 <_av500_> +1
Feb 08 13:30:44 <_av500_> http://wenku.baidu.com/view/9a0dca0e581b6bd97f19eaea.html
Feb 08 13:30:46 <_av500_> koen: ^^^
Feb 08 13:32:03 <mdp> Sitara for Dummies
Feb 08 13:44:50 <_av500_> mdp: thats a RK schematic
Feb 08 13:44:54 <_av500_> up there
Feb 08 13:51:22 <mdp> mmm...MID...an Intel-ism
Feb 08 13:56:45 <_av500_> mdp: ingore that part :)
Feb 08 13:57:08 <_av500_> it will be called mid for the next 5ys
Feb 08 14:00:27 <mdp> you lost me at "Intel" ;)
Feb 08 14:00:41 <Jacmet> mdp: ;)
Feb 08 14:45:08 <vij> I'm trying to boot the beaglebone with 3.2.34 kernel it gives an erro hile mounting the filesystem on teh SD card.
Feb 08 14:45:30 <vij> The same SD card works good for 3.2.23 kernel
Feb 08 14:45:36 <vij> any suggestions.
Feb 08 14:46:04 <vij> I get teh following error : [    1.826497]  mmcblk0: p1 p2 [    1.870711] VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(179,2)
Feb 08 14:46:52 <vij> Am using am335x_evm_defconfig to build the kernel
Feb 08 14:47:23 <_av500_> I would refer to the angstrom kernel
Feb 08 14:47:29 <_av500_> that works
Feb 08 14:47:36 <vij> since there is no config file for teh beaglebone explicitely unde 3.2.34 from github
Feb 08 14:50:05 <vij> Any suggestions?
Feb 08 14:50:14 <_av500_> use the angstrom kernel
Feb 08 14:51:32 <vij> can you please point me to the link/repository?
Feb 08 14:53:14 <_av500_> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/
Feb 08 14:53:36 <jakllsch> (that's not very specific)
Feb 08 15:00:20 <_av500_> a random kernel is not likely to work
Feb 08 15:00:27 <_av500_> the one that's in angstrom works
Feb 08 15:01:01 <jakllsch> (sigh. linux.)
Feb 08 15:01:16 <koen> ah, bsdbeards
Feb 08 15:05:00 <_av500_> whwre?
Feb 08 15:05:06 <jakllsch> o/
Feb 08 15:05:13 <_av500_> ah
Feb 08 15:05:25 <jakllsch> (well, maybe not the beard part)
Feb 08 15:06:08 <_av500_> isnt that now what the "B" stands for?
Feb 08 15:06:24 <mru> Beard Software Distribution
Feb 08 15:11:39 <vij> I'm sorry i still did not get the sources for beaglebone for kernel version 3.2.34
Feb 08 15:12:18 <_av500_> and it has to be .34?
Feb 08 15:12:55 <prpplague> dm8tbr: schematic - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1FV_VIiqk4edlJ3czdqOHlHcUk/edit?usp=sharing
Feb 08 15:13:25 <vij> yeah!! :-) Lil' specific about that
Feb 08 15:13:37 <dm8tbr> :)
Feb 08 15:14:07 <vij> I pulled the sources from here https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel.git
Feb 08 15:14:20 <vij> patched them and was able to build as well
Feb 08 15:14:55 <vij> but the kernel gives an error while mounting the file system
Feb 08 15:15:22 <vij> [    1.826497]  mmcblk0: p1 p2 [    1.870711] VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(179,2)
Feb 08 15:15:54 <vij> the same SD card works if i replace teh uImage with 3.2.23!!
Feb 08 15:16:04 <vij> Am i missing anything?
Feb 08 15:18:00 <dm8tbr> vij: most likely you are, yes. otherwise it would find the device, wouldn't it?
Feb 08 15:19:40 <vij> dm8tbr: yes. Like i mentioned the same SD card works very well if i replace teh uImage with 3.2.23
Feb 08 15:19:42 <dm8tbr> so, after looking at the schematic for the muxer, I'd propose to put a jumper into the V_R_SD line, so that you can plug in something switched by the host pc. relay, FET, whatever.
Feb 08 15:20:07 <_av500_> dm8tbr: you want to yank the card from the tgt?
Feb 08 15:20:12 <_av500_> say hello to dead cards
Feb 08 15:20:31 <mru> punch cards?
Feb 08 15:20:38 <vij> i can confirm that the card is good
Feb 08 15:20:48 <dm8tbr> _av500_: hmm, I thought you can eject cards from running devices?
Feb 08 15:21:06 <_av500_> dm8tbr: yes you can, right bottom of the screen
Feb 08 15:21:11 <_av500_> "eject safely"
Feb 08 15:21:39 <dm8tbr> will that _always_ turn off V_R_SD?
Feb 08 15:21:52 <vij> yes..,
Feb 08 15:22:11 <vij> If i put bck teh 3.2.23 image it boots up fine
Feb 08 15:22:20 <_av500_> dm8tbr: no
Feb 08 15:22:27 <dm8tbr> vij: have you asked your supervisor for a new project yet?
Feb 08 15:22:35 <_av500_> but you do not want to interrupt an ongoing write
Feb 08 15:22:55 <mru> pulling the card while powered is not a problem
Feb 08 15:23:02 <mru> just make sure it's idle
Feb 08 15:23:10 <_av500_> yes
Feb 08 15:23:16 <vij> dm8tbr: what could be the issue
Feb 08 15:23:24 <_av500_> dont use ubuntu on the target
Feb 08 15:23:38 <vij> This is on the tgt side
Feb 08 15:23:56 <dm8tbr> vij: you do realize that there are several conversations ongoing, right?
Feb 08 15:24:59 <vij> ok.., yep.., any heads up/ suggestions for the issue which i'm facing
Feb 08 15:25:20 <dm8tbr> let me scroll back for you...
Feb 08 15:25:52 <dm8tbr> 14:47:23< _av500_> I would refer to the angstrom kernel
Feb 08 15:25:52 <dm8tbr> 14:47:28< _av500_> that works
Feb 08 15:26:50 <dm8tbr> _av500_: out of interest, have you seen dead cards in case of removing them during write?
Feb 08 15:27:09 <_av500_> I have seen dead cards
Feb 08 15:27:15 <_av500_> ask tglx
Feb 08 15:27:34 <_av500_> dm8tbr: we tried to kill cards by writing on them
Feb 08 15:27:36 <_av500_> no way
Feb 08 15:27:38 <dm8tbr> I've also seen dead cards, after I stepped on them ;)
Feb 08 15:27:40 <_av500_> c't says the same
Feb 08 15:27:51 <_av500_> so, writing a lot is not the issue
Feb 08 15:28:02 <_av500_> I doubt reading kills them
Feb 08 15:28:11 <_av500_> so it only leaves power sequnecing in any way
Feb 08 15:28:13 <dm8tbr> how about killing VDD during a write?
Feb 08 15:28:19 <_av500_> yes
Feb 08 15:28:38 <dm8tbr> I guess that's why some of the pins are longer on those cards :)
Feb 08 15:29:16 <dm8tbr> but is like 1mm really enough time to let the last write go through before power is gone too?
Feb 08 15:29:23 <_av500_> its not for that
Feb 08 15:29:32 <dm8tbr> what's it then?
Feb 08 15:29:35 <_av500_> the 1mm is to apply power to VCC beforee the IO pins
Feb 08 15:29:41 <_av500_> and remove after
Feb 08 15:29:49 <_av500_> so you dont feed power via io pins
Feb 08 15:29:56 <_av500_> its not to protect the write
Feb 08 15:29:56 <dm8tbr> ah
Feb 08 15:30:05 * dm8tbr learned something new
Feb 08 15:30:23 <_av500_> cf cards have that too
Feb 08 15:31:02 <dm8tbr> express-cards too
Feb 08 15:31:09 <dm8tbr> pcmcia/cardbus too
Feb 08 15:31:11 <mru> and sata
Feb 08 15:31:13 <mru> and usb
Feb 08 15:31:17 <dm8tbr> ...
Feb 08 15:31:29 <mru> and hdmi
Feb 08 15:31:46 <mru> in fact, _any_ hotplug interface does this
Feb 08 15:31:51 <dm8tbr> 'could this all be related?' ;)
Feb 08 15:32:01 <_av500_> a conspiracy
Feb 08 15:40:26 <koen> vij: did you *read* the README.md file?
Feb 08 15:40:49 <koen> (that's a rhetorical question, I know you didn't, since you used the wrong config)
Feb 08 15:40:52 <mru> koen: it's blank!
Feb 08 15:41:30 <koen> and a trap
Feb 08 15:41:46 <mru> it's always a trap
Feb 08 15:45:16 <dm8tbr> _av500_: btw, if I read the schematic correctly then the worst that can happen is a slight jump in VDD because it will switch to the VDD provided by the PC, so a write shouldn't actually fail, just the commands would get lost
Feb 08 15:47:53 <mru> no, but swapping the i/o lines to another controller without resetting the card confuses things pretty badly
Feb 08 15:54:26 <dm8tbr> mru: hmm, that might be a general problem with this design then? as the TPS2105 is designed for exactly that, uninterrupted voltage
Feb 08 15:56:39 <mru> at least strange things happened with the first prototypes and we suspected that might have been the cause
Feb 08 16:28:25 <mru> the plague!!!
Feb 08 16:29:27 <panto> hi prpplague
Feb 08 16:29:36 <prpplague> greetings all
Feb 08 16:29:36 <dm8tbr> yellow
Feb 08 16:30:03 <prpplague> dm8tbr: you get that url for viewing the sd mux schematic
Feb 08 16:30:05 <prpplague> dm8tbr: ?
Feb 08 16:30:15 <dm8tbr> prpplague: there are some things around this muxer design that are unsolved. yes I've read it.
Feb 08 16:30:15 <_av500_> yes
Feb 08 16:30:31 <prpplague> dm8tbr: oh?
Feb 08 16:30:34 <prpplague> dm8tbr: such as?
Feb 08 16:30:40 <_av500_> prpplague: when did it get out of fashion to make schematics in a way that shows how stuff is connected
Feb 08 16:30:42 <dm8tbr> prpplague: mru said that cards want to be reset before reconnecting to a new device
Feb 08 16:31:02 <dm8tbr> av500: I could read it well enough, it's not _that_ complicated a design ;)
Feb 08 16:31:04 <mru> or did that turn out not to be the problem?
Feb 08 16:31:15 <prpplague> mru: that was part of the problem
Feb 08 16:31:26 <mru> what was the other part?
Feb 08 16:31:36 <_av500_> dm8tbr: i could read it too
Feb 08 16:31:42 <_av500_> its more a general trend
Feb 08 16:31:42 <dm8tbr> prpplague: on the other hand I said that it would be nice to be able to force-disconnect the card from the target.
Feb 08 16:31:52 <dm8tbr> _av500_: good, I'd have been disappoint ;)
Feb 08 16:32:14 <prpplague> mru: the major problem was that both the host and target try to do a reset, the problem was that the caps on the system i was using were keeping the reset from happening due to short length of the reset
Feb 08 16:32:43 <prpplague> dm8tbr: yea my preference would have been to use an integrated usb card reader with a bunch of usb controls
Feb 08 16:32:51 <mru> eeew
Feb 08 16:32:55 <dm8tbr> hehe
Feb 08 16:32:58 <prpplague> dm8tbr: but linaro was interested in a more basic solution
Feb 08 16:33:08 <dm8tbr> oh, so this is for linaro
Feb 08 16:33:15 <_av500_> for the build cluster
Feb 08 16:33:19 <dm8tbr> makes a lot of sense for LAVA
Feb 08 16:33:23 <prpplague> dm8tbr: it is available for anyone, but linaro was the one pushing it
Feb 08 16:33:27 <dm8tbr> that was actually my first thought
Feb 08 16:33:35 <mru> _av500_: it does make sense for testing sd card booting...
Feb 08 16:33:42 <_av500_> yes
Feb 08 16:33:43 <dm8tbr> as we're also looking at LAVA for our internal stuff
Feb 08 16:33:58 <prpplague> _av500_: hehe yea good schematics are a lost art, hehe
Feb 08 16:34:37 <prpplague> dm8tbr: i've run tests on the design, it's good up to around 75 MHz clocks, and i was able to test it with a wide range of sd card readers
Feb 08 16:34:56 <dm8tbr> prpplague: anyway, it should be easy enough for interested parties to put some kind of switch into V_R_SD that can be controlled by the host
Feb 08 16:35:32 <prpplague> dm8tbr: indeed
Feb 08 16:35:45 <dm8tbr> (I'm thinking of scenarios where you want to eject a card while the target is running and later reconnect it)
Feb 08 16:35:48 <prpplague> dm8tbr: here is the script linaro has for controling the power for the sd card reader side - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~linaro-validation/lava-dispatcher/trunk/view/head:/lava_dispatcher/device/sdmux.sh
Feb 08 16:36:02 <prpplague> dm8tbr: you can power the reader on/off
Feb 08 16:36:03 <_av500_> mru: for boot testing a solution that emulates a card would be nice
Feb 08 16:36:12 <prpplague> dm8tbr: so it simulates a re-connect
Feb 08 16:36:22 <mru> _av500_: there's something to be said for testing with a real card
Feb 08 16:37:05 <dm8tbr> prpplague: ok, but I'd expect not all DUTs support cutting VDD by software
Feb 08 16:37:15 <_av500_> depends on what you are testing
Feb 08 16:37:36 <prpplague> dm8tbr: yea, but the vast majoring do
Feb 08 16:37:45 <dm8tbr> ok
Feb 08 16:38:10 <prpplague> dm8tbr: the linaro folks are using the phidgets to power the DUT on/off
Feb 08 16:38:27 <prpplague> dm8tbr: but the sd card mux sh script is for powering the sd reader on/off
Feb 08 16:38:39 <dm8tbr> prpplague: yes, I understand that
Feb 08 16:38:44 <prpplague> dm8tbr: ahh ok
Feb 08 16:39:06 <dm8tbr> prpplague: I'm pursuing a different test-case setup, albeit less important.
Feb 08 16:39:15 <prpplague> dm8tbr: if there is plenty of interest on this, the next version will have a solid state relay to power the DUT on/off, as well as an integrated card reader
Feb 08 16:39:38 <dm8tbr> prpplague: I would leave it as is. KISS is king.
Feb 08 16:40:01 <_av500_> I vote for arduino shield capability
Feb 08 16:40:13 <_av500_> that helps to sell stuff
Feb 08 16:40:42 <prpplague> _av500_: hehe
Feb 08 16:40:42 <dm8tbr> prpplague: the case I'm thinking about is, that you have a second/separate SD slot in your device and want to test functionality related to inserting and ejecting sd cards that are storage for the device you are testing
Feb 08 16:41:04 <prpplague> dm8tbr: ahh
Feb 08 16:41:26 <dm8tbr> there it's important to be able to remove and reconnect the card while the DUT is powered (and thus VDD_R)
Feb 08 16:41:40 <dm8tbr> not what this was designed for, I know
Feb 08 16:41:47 <prpplague> dm8tbr: as well as the card detect signal
Feb 08 16:42:06 <prpplague> dm8tbr: it is failure modular , so there are some different things we can do
Feb 08 16:42:30 <dm8tbr> fairly? ;)
Feb 08 16:42:37 <dm8tbr> freud strikes back
Feb 08 16:42:38 <prpplague> dm8tbr: just fyi, i also have my hdmi/dvi debug board on the way was well
Feb 08 16:42:42 <prpplague> dm8tbr: indeed
Feb 08 16:42:52 <prpplague> dm8tbr: too many conversations going on
Feb 08 16:42:54 <dm8tbr> nice :)
Feb 08 16:43:16 <prpplague> dm8tbr: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1FV_VIiqk4eV1J6TUNNeFdTR1k/edit?usp=sharing
Feb 08 16:43:26 <prpplague> dm8tbr: you can either simulate or debug dvi/hdmi
Feb 08 16:43:38 <prpplague> dm8tbr: so as part of your testing you can add that to lava
Feb 08 16:43:54 <prpplague> dm8tbr: next version will have a combine fpga to output timing data
Feb 08 16:45:22 <dm8tbr> :)
Feb 08 16:45:36 <_av500_> prpplague: what does that do?
Feb 08 16:46:07 <prpplague> _av500_: hehe which item? the hdmi/dvi debug board?
Feb 08 16:46:32 <prpplague> dm8tbr: well the target price for the sdmux kit is going to be $49.99USD
Feb 08 16:46:41 <_av500_> prpplague: yes
Feb 08 16:47:05 <prpplague> _av500_: basically it pretends to be a dvi display so you can attach a LA or scope and view the timings
Feb 08 16:47:05 <dm8tbr> prpplague: I'm taking notes. :)
Feb 08 16:47:13 <_av500_> prpplague: ah
Feb 08 16:47:29 <_av500_> because cat'ting sysfs is too hard?
Feb 08 16:47:40 <prpplague> _av500_: because sysfs can lie
Feb 08 16:47:46 <_av500_> hang it!
Feb 08 16:47:49 <prpplague> _av500_: as robclark recently found out
Feb 08 16:48:45 <mru> $ cat /sys/devices/cake
Feb 08 16:48:46 <mru> 1
Feb 08 16:48:58 <prpplague> _av500_: you going to make it to elc?
Feb 08 16:49:08 <_av500_> prpplague: nope
Feb 08 16:49:16 <_av500_> no sponsoring
Feb 08 16:49:23 <mru> _av500_: so who will troll my talk?
Feb 08 16:49:38 <prpplague> hehe
Feb 08 16:49:49 <_av500_> mru: do it like prpplague, have an IRC window open
Feb 08 16:50:01 <mru> gah, need to finish those damn slides too
Feb 08 16:50:03 <_av500_> or was that jkridner
Feb 08 16:50:10 <mru> famous irc people
Feb 08 16:50:10 <ka6sox> moaning
Feb 08 16:54:01 <mdp> prpplague: awesome price...I need a couple for my autotest bench
Feb 08 16:54:18 * dm8tbr won't be able to troll anyones talk :(
Feb 08 16:54:45 <mdp> remote troll engaged
Feb 08 16:54:52 <_av500_> troll drones
Feb 08 16:55:13 <mdp> octotrollbsdcopters
Feb 08 16:56:59 <mranostay> morning
Feb 08 16:57:11 <dm8tbr> moaning
Feb 08 16:57:12 <mru> a troll!!
Feb 08 16:57:14 <mranostay> Friday @$@#$@#$s!
Feb 08 16:57:28 <mru> friday it is
Feb 08 16:57:57 <dm8tbr> mranostay:  www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
Feb 08 16:59:21 <mranostay> i knew what that was before i clicked
Feb 08 16:59:58 <dm8tbr> mranostay: the trollforce, it is strong with you
Feb 08 17:01:04 <ka6sox> moar coffee please.
Feb 08 17:01:28 <woglinde> gm
Feb 08 17:04:13 <mdp> yay friday
Feb 08 17:04:29 <mru> something for the trolls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8uE1vIRlbk
Feb 08 17:25:01 <_av500_> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/997/086/864/tell-google-to-stop-going-through-your-email-to-sell-ads/  #2448 comment: Trust me, I'm a doctor.
Feb 08 17:30:00 <mru> don't want google reading your email, don't use gmail
Feb 08 17:30:02 <mru> simple as that
Feb 08 17:38:22 <mdp> mru, "there ought to be a law..."
Feb 08 17:38:51 <mru> there are way too many laws
Feb 08 17:39:25 <mru> now a few more _laws of nature_ making certain things impossible, I wouldn't mind
Feb 08 17:44:09 <djlewis> i dunno, I always wanted to control my own gravity :)
Feb 08 17:44:51 <mru> sure, I didn't say I liked _all_ the laws of nature
Feb 08 17:48:27 <Russ> prpplague, why the mosfet switch rather than just a cathode common diode pair?
Feb 08 17:57:48 <Russ> hmm...I suppose it may offer better test coverage if the target is supplying current
Feb 08 18:41:01 <Crofton|work> koen, is narcissus sick?
Feb 08 18:42:16 <koen> not that I know off
Feb 08 18:42:32 <koen> ltg ran out of space (again), but that should be fixed now
Feb 08 18:42:42 * mdp holds his hand to narcissus' forehead
Feb 08 18:42:43 <koen> emerald was fine when I checked this morning
Feb 08 18:42:47 <mdp> seems ok
Feb 08 18:43:07 <koen> I am going to spread the fosdem plague in philly and dfw soon, though
Feb 08 18:43:34 <Russ> is it that stupid stomach flu?
Feb 08 18:44:50 <Crofton|work> coughing a lot?
Feb 08 18:48:19 <Crofton|work> I can't raise it from here
Feb 08 18:48:35 <mdp> koen, do not bring it to SF
Feb 08 19:02:14 * _av500_ watches the movie Contagion again
Feb 08 19:08:21 <Crofton|work> koen, you should double check narcissus, also I assume the malware thing was fixed?
Feb 08 19:08:38 <koen> yes, fixed
Feb 08 19:09:38 <Crofton|work> and I can't load narcissus from here
Feb 08 19:10:43 <koen> ah
Feb 08 19:10:52 <koen> ka6sox: can you poke emerald, it looks sick?
Feb 08 19:14:28 <Crofton|work> if you need to talk about xrayiong your hw in your kickstarter page, you are doing it wrong
Feb 08 19:14:39 <ka6sox> koen, it is....
Feb 08 19:14:43 <ka6sox> its being moved
Feb 08 19:15:12 <koen> Crofton|work: see, it's not sick, it just took out a restraining order and went into protective custody
Feb 08 19:15:40 <Crofton|work> rofl
Feb 08 19:19:36 <_av500_> Crofton|work: which kickstarter?
Feb 08 19:19:50 <panto> time to go
Feb 08 19:19:59 <panto> cya troll-boys & troll-gals
Feb 08 19:20:16 <Crofton|work> bladerf
Feb 08 19:20:28 <_av500_> bladder?
Feb 08 19:20:34 <emeb> ya
Feb 08 19:20:37 <ka6sox> bladder full?
Feb 08 19:20:51 <emeb> bladerf hit their KS goal and then some
Feb 08 19:21:01 <emeb> not impressed w/ their choice of front-end chips.
Feb 08 19:24:16 <emeb> interesting part, but no tracking filter or roofing filter so likely needs additional signal conditioning.
Feb 08 19:24:28 <emeb> and 300MHz min input.
Feb 08 19:29:12 <_av500_> yaeh, cant do FM
Feb 08 19:29:15 <_av500_> fail
Feb 08 19:32:01 <_av500_> I dont get the point of the people that back such stuff
Feb 08 19:32:11 <prpplague> Russ: it handles the switch over a lot smoother
Feb 08 19:32:13 <emeb> I get the feeling they want you to hook it to an additional front-end filter/transverter subsystem.
Feb 08 19:32:16 <_av500_> I guess they all expect they will do awesome stuff wiht it
Feb 08 19:32:28 <_av500_> and I somewhat doubt that
Feb 08 19:32:28 <Kristina> I hate how broken everything is on OSX.
Feb 08 19:32:38 <_av500_> Kristina: nooo, osx is awesome
Feb 08 19:32:41 <emeb> _av500_: yep - they have dreams
Feb 08 19:32:50 <_av500_> somebody should port it to OMAP
Feb 08 19:33:01 <_av500_> emeb: I had fever dreams
Feb 08 19:33:04 <Kristina> That would be me.
Feb 08 19:33:19 <Russ> File:///
Feb 08 19:33:22 * Kristina is trying to compile drivers for her jtag debugger.
Feb 08 19:33:25 <_av500_> Kristina: fewer dreams too? :)
Feb 08 19:33:26 <emeb> _av500_: me too! mind spinning in tight little circles on inconsequential stuff.
Feb 08 19:34:37 <Kristina> I'm going to find and kill the people who wrote this driver.
Feb 08 19:34:51 * emeb is glad he doesn't write drivers.
Feb 08 19:35:39 <Crofton|work> my feeling is they want to play around with the hw and are using kickstarter to get some money
Feb 08 19:35:46 <emeb> +1
Feb 08 19:36:54 <Kristina> Ugh, fucking cancerous hungarian notation :<
Feb 08 19:36:58 <Crofton|work> I wonder how succesfull kickstarter to develop docs on using fpga for cool signal processing would be
Feb 08 19:36:58 <ka6sox> +2
Feb 08 19:36:59 <_av500_> is that not the point of kickstarter? to get some money?
Feb 08 19:37:10 <Crofton|work> :)
Feb 08 19:37:25 <Kristina> Ugh.
Feb 08 19:37:26 <Kristina> LPCTSTR
Feb 08 19:37:31 <_av500_> Crofton|work: I would fund you for "doing the most illegal thing with SDR"
Feb 08 19:37:33 <Kristina> For fuck's sake.
Feb 08 19:37:46 <mranostay> _av500_: pirate radio?
Feb 08 19:37:53 <_av500_> Kristina: language please, we have kids here
Feb 08 19:37:55 <mranostay> radar jammer?
Feb 08 19:38:04 <_av500_> bring down the shuttle
Feb 08 19:38:08 <_av500_> oh wait
Feb 08 19:38:12 <mranostay> what shuttle? :)
Feb 08 19:38:18 <emeb> missed that boat
Feb 08 19:38:19 * Kristina cries ... why not just use char*?!
Feb 08 19:38:45 <Crofton|work> mranostay, close your eyes
Feb 08 19:38:54 <_av500_> Kristina: somebody was paid by source code size
Feb 08 19:39:42 <Crofton|work> _av500_, +1
Feb 08 19:42:34 <Kristina> typedef PVOID                                   LPVOID;
Feb 08 19:42:41 <Kristina> Please kill me ...
Feb 08 19:43:25 <mranostay> that can be arranged
Feb 08 19:43:59 <woglinde> killall
Feb 08 19:44:01 <woglinde> -9
Feb 08 19:44:10 <woglinde> to be sure
Feb 08 19:44:15 <bradfa> mdp, you'll be happy to know the plows are already plowing!
Feb 08 19:44:26 <mdp> w00t!
Feb 08 19:44:49 <woglinde> farmeville?
Feb 08 19:45:03 <bradfa> woglinde, outsideville
Feb 08 19:45:10 <mdp> bradfa, even my neckbeard township guy came down the street with his salt spreader on Eleven! :)
Feb 08 19:45:29 <woglinde> ah this plows
Feb 08 19:45:47 <mdp> bradfa, throw a candy bar at them?
Feb 08 19:45:52 <bradfa> only supposed to be about a foot according to noaa
Feb 08 19:46:07 <bradfa> mdp, candy bars would give traction....
Feb 08 19:46:30 <bradfa> everyone will be happy to know that rf range testing is going on today but intern is not taking part
Feb 08 19:46:37 <bradfa> the guys outside must be freezing
Feb 08 19:46:46 <mdp> that's intern work
Feb 08 19:46:49 <Kristina> Yay, I got it to compile.
Feb 08 19:46:49 <mdp> wtf is going on?
Feb 08 19:46:54 <bradfa> intern setup 2 windows boxen for me to start on fire over the weekend
Feb 08 19:46:58 <Kristina> Fucking windows programmers :/
Feb 08 19:47:29 <mdp> bradfa, task 37: convince intern to put his tongue on the corporate flagpole
Feb 08 19:47:39 <mdp> bradfa, task 38: friday has arrived!
Feb 08 19:47:43 <Kristina> Ahaha,
Feb 08 19:47:47 <bradfa> heh, would probably give him cancer, kodak property and all :)
Feb 08 19:47:50 <mrpacket_> friday has gone
Feb 08 19:47:56 <mdp> bradfa, lol
Feb 08 19:48:07 <bradfa> k /me should get back to work
Feb 08 19:48:12 <mdp> me too
Feb 08 19:48:15 <bradfa> 4pm meeting deadline
Feb 08 19:48:16 <mdp> darn deadlines
Feb 08 19:48:25 <emeb> dead darnlines
Feb 08 19:48:26 <_av500_> I love the sound they make
Feb 08 19:48:30 <_av500_> when they fly by
Feb 08 19:48:36 <emeb> whoosh!
Feb 08 19:48:36 * bradfa proposes we integrate deadlines into systemd, d-bus, and kernel
Feb 08 19:48:37 <Kristina> No one bothers testing anything on mac os x.
Feb 08 19:48:47 <mdp> git status
Feb 08 19:48:50 <mdp> gti status
Feb 08 19:48:54 <mdp> *vroom*
Feb 08 19:48:55 <bradfa> Kristina, does anyone use mac os x?
Feb 08 19:49:26 <Kristina> I do.
Feb 08 19:49:36 <woglinde> golf gti yes
Feb 08 19:49:44 <Kristina> Everyone at Apple does. Also, hipsters.
Feb 08 19:49:53 <mdp> bradfa, all the hipsters with the apple logo sticker on their cars
Feb 08 19:49:54 <_av500_> same crowd
Feb 08 19:49:56 <woglinde> you are at apple?
Feb 08 19:49:57 <Kristina> Oh, and art students.
Feb 08 19:50:12 <Kristina> art/photography/whatever.
Feb 08 19:50:18 <woglinde> so art student
Feb 08 19:50:18 <mdp> bradfa, or do they not have apples like the guys with the harley stickers don't have harleys?
Feb 08 19:50:22 <woglinde> or photographer
Feb 08 19:50:32 * emeb uses a mac for idle surfing in off-hours
Feb 08 19:50:43 <woglinde> what is idle surfing?
Feb 08 19:50:47 <Kristina> woglinde: No fucking way ... art degrees are stupid.
Feb 08 19:51:03 <emeb> woglinde: riding the waves of idleness
Feb 08 19:51:13 <mrpacket_> Kristina: your an engineer right?
Feb 08 19:51:17 <mdp> is that like smart idle?
Feb 08 19:51:20 <Kristina> I am.
Feb 08 19:51:28 * _av500_ is smart idle too
Feb 08 19:51:33 <mrpacket_> how long since you graduated?
Feb 08 19:51:43 <Kristina> I did not graduate.
Feb 08 19:51:59 <_av500_> omg. Blackberry Pi has wl1273
Feb 08 19:52:09 <_av500_> these people are so doomed
Feb 08 19:52:12 <mdp> lol
Feb 08 19:52:13 <Kristina> I didn't even finish high school (or whatever you call A-levels).
Feb 08 19:52:26 <Kristina> I did my GCSEs ... that's pretty much it.
Feb 08 19:52:50 <Kristina> I moved to North America a few years ago.
Feb 08 19:52:52 <woglinde> av500 aren't you a bit late with noticing this?
Feb 08 19:52:57 <ds2> @#%#$#@!$%#@$@#$@#$@#$@#$ bone console port
Feb 08 19:53:07 <mrpacket_> guess, it doestn matter too mch , but why are arts degrees stupdi
Feb 08 19:53:08 <Russ> white or black?
Feb 08 19:53:08 <woglinde> Kristina ah that explains your language
Feb 08 19:53:15 <ds2> orig.
Feb 08 19:53:24 <Russ> you might like the black console port better
Feb 08 19:53:26 <emeb> _av500_: wtf is Blackberry Pi?
Feb 08 19:53:29 <ds2> something is happening that is F'ing the FTDI
Feb 08 19:53:31 <woglinde> ds2 hit break
Feb 08 19:53:38 <emeb> the googles - they do nothing.
Feb 08 19:53:38 <woglinde> oh
Feb 08 19:53:39 <ds2> so USB drops and I loose console
Feb 08 19:53:39 <woglinde> lol
Feb 08 19:53:41 <Kristina> woglinde: You mean my usage of the words fuck and fucking?
Feb 08 19:53:46 <woglinde> blackberry
Feb 08 19:53:49 <bradfa> ds2, FTDI is happening F'ing the FTDI
Feb 08 19:53:59 <mrpacket_> banana pi
Feb 08 19:53:59 <woglinde> read rhasberry again
Feb 08 19:54:02 <mrpacket_> peach pi
Feb 08 19:54:04 <mdp> _av500_: perhaps wl127x only hates you and works perfectly for everybody else?
Feb 08 19:54:08 <woglinde> Kristina yes yes
Feb 08 19:54:09 <_av500_> sure
Feb 08 19:54:09 <mrpacket_> apple pi
Feb 08 19:54:12 <ds2> almost ready to cut that port out
Feb 08 19:54:24 <emeb> pi is flying fast & furious
Feb 08 19:54:27 <_av500_> mdp: the israeli support guy we held hostage for a week told us otherwise
Feb 08 19:54:41 <mrpacket_> is there a free fruit to name my new product with.
Feb 08 19:54:44 <mdp> _av500_: you should have gotten mistral involved..they can do anything
Feb 08 19:54:45 <_av500_> emeb: blackberry z10
Feb 08 19:54:48 <woglinde> av500 uhm be lucky that mossad not came
Feb 08 19:54:59 <_av500_> mdp: we had Movial already
Feb 08 19:55:06 <mdp> _av500_: if he was any good we probably got rid of him ;)
Feb 08 19:55:07 <ds2> mdp: thought that was logicpd
Feb 08 19:55:14 <_av500_> mdp: yes
Feb 08 19:55:32 <mrpacket_> ... ladys and gentlemen.... we release the lemon.
Feb 08 19:55:49 <mrpacket_> and the other model.. the cabbage
Feb 08 19:55:52 <Russ> mranostay, try elderberry
Feb 08 19:55:56 <Russ> er, sorry
Feb 08 19:55:59 <Russ> mrpacket_, try elderberry
Feb 08 19:56:02 * emeb holds out for potato pi
Feb 08 19:56:16 <woglinde> tomato
Feb 08 19:56:19 <emeb> and your mother was a hamster!
Feb 08 19:56:27 <Russ> wolfberry, nannyberry, and mayapple may also be free
Feb 08 19:56:31 <_av500_> omg, eetimes - 14 pages
Feb 08 19:56:37 <mrpacket_> easyberry
Feb 08 19:56:38 <_av500_> they must be desperate
Feb 08 19:56:58 <emeb> I thought eetimes was dead.
Feb 08 19:57:02 <Russ> hackberry is incidentally taken
Feb 08 19:57:10 <Kristina> woglinde: Sorry about my language :/
Feb 08 19:57:14 <Russ> https://www.miniand.com/products/Hackberry%20A10%20Developer%20Board
Feb 08 19:57:17 <emeb> they sent me "last issue" in December.
Feb 08 19:57:55 <ds2> wh00p... ftdi is a qfp!
Feb 08 19:57:59 <_av500_> Kristina: its ok, he grew up well protected
Feb 08 19:58:02 <ds2> I can lift pins!!!!!!
Feb 08 19:58:13 <Russ> or just use one of the uarts on the expansion headers
Feb 08 19:58:20 <emeb> ds2: better work out a bit more
Feb 08 19:58:29 <ds2> emeb: ?
Feb 08 19:58:30 <_av500_> emeb: http://www.eetimes.com/design/communications-design/4406411/Teardown-Blackberry-Z10?pageNumber=1
Feb 08 19:58:30 <mranostay> ds2: you'll be packing the muscles in no time
Feb 08 19:58:43 <emeb> ds2: if you're excited about lifting pins... :P
Feb 08 19:58:45 <mranostay> next you may move up to knitting needles
Feb 08 19:58:52 <ds2> :P
Feb 08 19:58:59 <ds2> <--- needs sleep
Feb 08 19:59:15 <_av500_> sleep(1)
Feb 08 19:59:54 <emeb> _av500_: ah - lovely teardown there.
Feb 08 19:59:57 <woglinde> ds2 good nite
Feb 08 20:00:16 <woglinde> Kristina/av500 yes behind the wall
Feb 08 20:00:18 <_av500_> emeb: yes, they tore down the article into 14 parts
Feb 08 20:00:39 * emeb hates that blatant grab for page views
Feb 08 20:01:05 <_av500_> ah, the other 11 are pictures
Feb 08 20:01:12 <woglinde> av500 what you think will be blackberry os 10 a success?
Feb 08 20:01:24 <_av500_> of course
Feb 08 20:01:30 <ds2> mod'ing board
Feb 08 20:01:34 <emeb> heh - that die photo with impenetrable top metal is soooo helpful
Feb 08 20:01:35 <_av500_> not
Feb 08 20:01:41 <_av500_> emeb: yes
Feb 08 20:01:49 <Russ> emeb, http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/34567562.jpg
Feb 08 20:02:35 <emeb> Russ: lulz
Feb 08 20:03:23 <woglinde> av500 *g* but they steal so many android apps
Feb 08 20:03:56 <_av500_> yes, that will save thenm
Feb 08 20:04:59 <woglinde> hm snapdragon
Feb 08 20:05:08 <_av500_> of course
Feb 08 20:05:10 <_av500_> what else?
Feb 08 20:05:26 <emeb> amazing how when you've been working on a PCB layout and the print it to scale everything seems so tiny...
Feb 08 20:05:39 <_av500_> forgot your glasses?
Feb 08 20:05:48 <Russ> did you go all 0201 on us?
Feb 08 20:05:53 <mranostay> +1
Feb 08 20:05:58 <_av500_> Russ: metric or imperial?
Feb 08 20:06:04 <emeb> na - 0603 min
Feb 08 20:06:08 <Russ> imperial, EIA
Feb 08 20:06:12 <Russ> 0603 is huge
Feb 08 20:06:15 <_av500_> yes
Feb 08 20:06:24 <_av500_> its like a womp rat
Feb 08 20:06:27 <emeb> accidentally bought some 0201 a few months back - smaller than the tips of my tweezers.
Feb 08 20:06:48 <woglinde> hm seperate battery
Feb 08 20:06:49 <_av500_> emeb: solution: buy proper tweezers
Feb 08 20:06:56 <_av500_> woglinde: that will safe them
Feb 08 20:07:00 <woglinde> yes
Feb 08 20:07:06 <Russ> just don't squeeze too hard
Feb 08 20:07:08 <_av500_> it also only lasts 4hours
Feb 08 20:07:13 <_av500_> so you need 2 for one day
Feb 08 20:07:14 <emeb> bullseye 0201s in beggars canyon.
Feb 08 20:07:43 <_av500_> seems like somebody must teach QNX some PM
Feb 08 20:07:51 <_av500_> maybe khillman has time
Feb 08 20:08:03 <emeb> Proper Manners?
Feb 08 20:08:20 <woglinde> av500 -> Other major design wins for Qualcomm include the PM8921 power management IC
Feb 08 20:08:24 <emeb> "Always say Please and Thank You. And stop picking your nose!"
Feb 08 20:08:34 <_av500_> woglinde: yes, its not a TI PMIC
Feb 08 20:08:39 <_av500_> somebody fucked up big time
Feb 08 20:08:53 <mranostay> my ears and eyes!
Feb 08 20:09:01 <emeb> my stars and garters!
Feb 08 20:10:17 <woglinde> mranostay you can open them again
Feb 08 20:10:26 <thurbad> does anyone know of a licensable 3d engine available for beagles running angstrom?
Feb 08 20:10:34 <_av500_> unity?
Feb 08 20:10:49 <emeb> Doom!
Feb 08 20:10:54 <woglinde> yes doom enginge
Feb 08 20:10:55 <mranostay> heh
Feb 08 20:11:02 <woglinde> from macfadden
Feb 08 20:11:03 <_av500_> wasnt doom only 2.5D
Feb 08 20:11:06 <_av500_> ?
Feb 08 20:11:14 <emeb> 2.5D should be enough for anyone.
Feb 08 20:11:15 <mranostay> how do you have half Ds?
Feb 08 20:11:17 <thurbad> original doom, yes
Feb 08 20:11:53 <thurbad> sprites in 3d space rather than proper models
Feb 08 20:11:55 <_av500_> mranostay: I guess you get 2 "u"
Feb 08 20:11:56 <mrpackethead> mranostay: how do you have wholw D's
Feb 08 20:12:23 <_av500_> thurbad: also no floors one above the other
Feb 08 20:12:32 <_av500_> just a 2d map with height
Feb 08 20:12:50 <Russ> _av500_, I did one once, used elevators that moved when you couldn't see them
Feb 08 20:13:05 <woglinde> so reading time for the little one
Feb 08 20:13:08 <woglinde> till later
Feb 08 20:13:12 <_av500_> Russ: Schrödingervators?
Feb 08 20:13:14 <thurbad> I don't need full environments primarily character renering
Feb 08 20:13:18 <emeb> woglinde: watch your language
Feb 08 20:13:28 <thurbad> rendering
Feb 08 20:13:33 <Russ> didn't work very well for multiplayer
Feb 08 20:13:45 <woglinde> emeb haha we already had fac on the star wars cards
Feb 08 20:14:58 <Russ> 1: b 1b
Feb 08 20:16:18 <thurbad> uggh, when you said unity you meant the desktop, not the game engine, didn't you :(
Feb 08 20:17:07 <_av500_> the what?
Feb 08 20:17:15 <_av500_> isnt it the same?
Feb 08 20:17:44 <Kristina> I love buggy drivers.
Feb 08 20:17:54 <Russ> http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8479/mastermind2mo.jpg 3d doom
Feb 08 20:18:06 <_av500_> Kristina: move to Amish county
Feb 08 20:18:14 <_av500_> lots of them there
Feb 08 20:18:16 <Kristina> >:(
Feb 08 20:18:20 <emeb> aaaaahhhahahahaha
Feb 08 20:18:52 <Russ> I kept wondering why she was so angry with people who wrote books about the Amish
Feb 08 20:20:04 * mranostay smacks _av500_ 
Feb 08 20:20:07 <Russ> something about finding and killing the people who wrote the buggy driver
Feb 08 20:20:26 <_av500_> mranostay: try
Feb 08 20:20:51 <Kristina> Lovely.
Feb 08 20:20:55 <mranostay> i'd say in the back of head but i don't think my arms are that long
Feb 08 20:20:57 <Kristina> Just got a kernel panic on my main machine.
Feb 08 20:21:07 <mranostay> welcome to life
Feb 08 20:21:09 <mranostay> it sucks
Feb 08 20:21:33 <Kristina> I'm not sure why, but I'm not surprised ...
Feb 08 20:24:28 <_av500_> Kristina: you know, there are ... uhm .. self help groups
Feb 08 20:24:55 <mranostay> _av500_: google is  big one right? :)
Feb 08 20:25:16 <Kristina> At least I now have a cool & hip way of shutting down my computer.
Feb 08 20:25:30 <mdp> hrm, we need a conf here in amish country ;)
Feb 08 20:25:44 <Kristina> Because if I try to open that character device, I get a kernel panic.
Feb 08 20:27:59 <_av500_> mdp: I can imagine the "drivers BoF" will draw a mixed crowd
Feb 08 20:28:07 <mdp> you should only run Bug-Free(tm) drivers on your "main machine"
Feb 08 20:28:16 <mranostay> mdp: yeah we'll have to truck the beer in though
Feb 08 20:28:22 <mdp> _av500_: indeed
Feb 08 20:28:24 <_av500_> and electricity
Feb 08 20:28:44 <mdp> mranostay: oh, they'll buggy it in for us...trust me, they do anything for the English that involves $$$$
Feb 08 20:30:15 <mranostay> mdp: i could see mru explaining he isn't English all week
Feb 08 20:30:20 <_av500_> now that I vaccum cleaned my laptop fan, its silent again
Feb 08 20:30:30 <_av500_> +spellink
Feb 08 20:30:54 <mdp> mranostay, lol..yeah, it's funny to be called that constantly when you're having a conversation
Feb 08 20:31:42 <mranostay> mdp: they are getting back at us for call them Dutch :)
Feb 08 20:32:02 <mdp> "it's complicated"
Feb 08 20:38:50 <Kristina> ffs ... they've managed to misconfigure usb personalities in the osx driver.
Feb 08 20:38:52 <Kristina> wtf...
Feb 08 20:38:59 <Kristina> how the fuck is that even possible ...
Feb 08 20:41:33 <mranostay> salty in here today
Feb 08 20:44:16 <woglinde> good to no the bsd kernel is that bad on usb too
Feb 08 20:44:20 <woglinde> know
Feb 08 20:46:02 <Kristina> Isn't that cool? My audio is no longer working.
Feb 08 20:46:14 <woglinde> its on usb too?
Feb 08 20:46:34 <woglinde> reminds me on the sunserver which had pcmcia cards for networking
Feb 08 20:47:00 <Kristina> No, it's Intel HDA which lives on the chipset.
Feb 08 20:47:12 * woglinde looks on java fx now
Feb 08 20:48:40 <_av500_> woglinde: btw, why is java not dying?
Feb 08 20:48:50 <_av500_> I mean, on the PC its been years I used a java applet
Feb 08 20:48:56 <_av500_> is it all on servers?
Feb 08 20:49:04 <_av500_> or coffee machines?
Feb 08 20:50:01 <woglinde> _av500_ why so many people using php?
Feb 08 20:50:11 <thurbad> anyone have experience with kanzi?
Feb 08 20:50:15 <_av500_> the apple?
Feb 08 20:50:33 <woglinde> av500 and with fx java is easily on arm too
Feb 08 20:50:52 <woglinde> for gui
Feb 08 20:51:03 <woglinde> and it is not looking so stupid like swing
Feb 08 20:51:25 <woglinde> av500 and you forgot your beloved android
Feb 08 20:51:29 <_av500_> no
Feb 08 20:51:30 * woglinde runs
Feb 08 20:51:33 <_av500_> different thing
Feb 08 20:51:38 <_av500_> did not forget it
Feb 08 20:51:42 <woglinde> o,O
Feb 08 20:51:48 <woglinde> diffrent?
Feb 08 20:51:49 <mrpackethead> is koen still here
Feb 08 20:52:11 <dm8tbr>   /me sends av500 a few geocities.jp links to pages with fphover
Feb 08 20:52:33 <woglinde> fphover?
Feb 08 20:52:35 <_av500_> woglinde: android is a java fork
Feb 08 20:52:47 <_av500_> and as I said, on the desktop I see no java at all any more
Feb 08 20:52:53 <mrpackethead> and java is?
Feb 08 20:52:54 <_av500_> so it must be used elsewhere
Feb 08 20:53:17 <dm8tbr> real-time-java in those military drones?
Feb 08 20:53:25 <_av500_> so I am curious about where
Feb 08 20:53:27 <_av500_> serious question
Feb 08 20:53:39 <_av500_> it must be all that enterprise shit
Feb 08 20:54:13 <woglinde> av500 pssst eclipse is java
Feb 08 20:54:28 <woglinde> and so your ccs from ti
Feb 08 20:54:45 * woglinde runs again
Feb 08 20:55:05 <mrpackethead> the thing that gets me.
Feb 08 20:55:06 <thurbad> lots of banks still use java applications, not much of anyone uses applets that I'm aware of
Feb 08 20:55:33 <_av500_> woglinde: true
Feb 08 20:55:39 <_av500_> that is the one big java app I know
Feb 08 20:55:46 <woglinde> another cased solved
Feb 08 20:55:53 <woglinde> ups case
Feb 08 20:56:02 <mrpackethead> what replaced java applicaitons
Feb 08 20:56:07 <_av500_> I am sure oracle spends money on java just for CCS alone
Feb 08 20:56:13 <_av500_> and eclipse
Feb 08 20:56:27 <Kristina> This reminds me of setting up x11 on linux.
Feb 08 20:56:40 <woglinde> I thought you have osx
Feb 08 20:56:58 <Kristina> I don't just use OSX.
Feb 08 20:57:01 <thurbad> they probably make more money of of j2ee support than other areas, but that's conjecture
Feb 08 20:57:01 <Kristina> I use a lot of stuff.
Feb 08 20:57:11 <_av500_> thurbad: I guess so
Feb 08 20:57:22 <_av500_> but the fact that java is gone from end users eyes
Feb 08 20:57:31 <woglinde> but I am not doing java anymore without maven and spring
Feb 08 20:57:32 <_av500_> makes it a Cobol in a way
Feb 08 20:57:55 <thurbad> the universities around here teach java rather than c/c++
Feb 08 20:57:59 <woglinde> av500 and there is even scala and jruby which run on the jvm
Feb 08 20:58:02 <_av500_> so Oracle should be happy for android
Feb 08 20:58:11 <woglinde> and tadam closure
Feb 08 20:58:35 <woglinde> thurbad the teach concepts
Feb 08 20:58:44 <woglinde> all other would be bad
Feb 08 20:59:03 <_av500_> woglinde: stuff running on jvm does not count
Feb 08 20:59:08 <_av500_> its jus tthe compiler backend
Feb 08 20:59:11 <woglinde> av500 hm okay
Feb 08 20:59:12 <thurbad> having a hard time finding an intern that knows C++ at the moment
Feb 08 20:59:28 <woglinde> thurbad you need one?
Feb 08 20:59:37 <woglinde> for qt or for c11?
Feb 08 20:59:39 <mdp> what do interns know these days?
Feb 08 20:59:42 <woglinde> ups cxx11
Feb 08 20:59:42 <mdp> java?
Feb 08 21:00:06 <_av500_> mdp: our paris guys had wvery good interns
Feb 08 21:00:12 <_av500_> we kept a few
Feb 08 21:00:40 <thurbad> yeah, they know java
Feb 08 21:00:53 <mrpackethead> i have interns that eat expereinced engineers for breakfast
Feb 08 21:00:53 <ds2>  bypassing the FTDI works so nice
Feb 08 21:00:56 <mrpackethead> and vice versa
Feb 08 21:01:16 <mdp> mrpackethead: that's always true ;)
Feb 08 21:01:18 <woglinde> mrpackethead that means your company is doomed?
Feb 08 21:01:40 <mdp> I was more interested in what the Unis are installing into CS-types versus say, EE types these days
Feb 08 21:01:50 <mrpackethead> no.. it just means its a challenge to managment
Feb 08 21:02:10 <mrpackethead> i've come to the conclusion i don't actually care what Universitys are teaching
Feb 08 21:02:12 <woglinde> mrpackethead yes sure but its not good in the end
Feb 08 21:02:17 <mdp> there's always been chaff with years of seniority everywhere
Feb 08 21:02:45 <mrpackethead> i'm much more interested in how a grad can demostrate how they will learn new stuff
Feb 08 21:02:50 <mrpackethead> than what they know today
Feb 08 21:03:03 <_av500_> whyt do you mean learn new stuff???
Feb 08 21:03:21 <_av500_> I have this paper
Feb 08 21:03:31 <woglinde> toilett?
Feb 08 21:03:39 <mrpackethead> the best thing you can learn at university, is how to learn
Feb 08 21:03:52 <_av500_> sadly they dont teach that
Feb 08 21:03:53 <mrpackethead> and hopefully how to solve problems
Feb 08 21:04:00 <woglinde> best thing is to understand the concepts
Feb 08 21:04:07 <woglinde> and pick the cool projects
Feb 08 21:04:10 <_av500_> the best thing are the parties
Feb 08 21:04:14 <woglinde> like robocup
Feb 08 21:04:59 <woglinde> and of course O-notation
Feb 08 21:05:47 <ds2> this simple mod makes the bone so much more useable
Feb 08 21:06:35 <djlewis> ds2: running it off DC rather than AC?
Feb 08 21:08:02 <_av500_> 240V makes mine run so much faster
Feb 08 21:13:07 <Kristina> Ohhhhhh.
Feb 08 21:13:08 <djlewis> Wow! 48 times faster :)
Feb 08 21:13:28 <Kristina> My sound stopped working because my audio jack fell out of my subwoofer thing.
Feb 08 21:13:51 <woglinde> Kristina hm funny
Feb 08 21:14:27 <Shadyman> Hmm. Capebus?
Feb 08 21:15:27 <Shadyman> How does that differ from the EEPROM-based port assignment that the BBone uses?
Feb 08 21:15:36 <djsa> what clock signal can I use from the userland to generate a PWM?
Feb 08 21:15:50 <djsa> on beagleboard-xm
Feb 08 21:16:08 <_av500_> pwm runs of some system clock
Feb 08 21:16:40 <_av500_> or you want to generate a PWM by hand?
Feb 08 21:16:53 <_av500_> hmm, does XM have hw pwn?
Feb 08 21:16:57 <_av500_> or only  the bone?
Feb 08 21:17:21 <Russ> the dm37x trm mentions it
Feb 08 21:17:35 <djsa> _av500_: I have beagleboard-xm I would like to generate a signal using the clock signal
Feb 08 21:17:51 <_av500_> yes, you said that
Feb 08 21:19:55 <_av500_> ok, so there are 3 PWM pins on the expansion connector
Feb 08 21:20:06 <_av500_> GPT9,10,11
Feb 08 21:23:38 <woglinde> pins are good
Feb 08 21:24:04 <djsa> thank you av500
Feb 08 21:25:04 <_av500_> djsa: may I recommend to google "beagleboard xm pwm"
Feb 08 21:25:11 <_av500_> and read it all
Feb 08 21:25:44 <djsa> I will do that
Feb 08 21:25:48 <djsa> thank you
Feb 08 21:26:32 <woglinde> hm its friday
Feb 08 21:26:44 <woglinde> now I need someone to come in and ask about opencv
Feb 08 21:27:31 <agmlego> woglinde: How do I OpenCV?
Feb 08 21:27:44 <woglinde> good
Feb 08 21:27:47 <_av500_> agmlego: you have to leave and come in first
Feb 08 21:27:51 <Shadyman> agmlego: I'd think it would be more like "How I OpenCV?"
Feb 08 21:27:51 <woglinde> sure
Feb 08 21:27:53 <_av500_> and bring a bottle
Feb 08 21:28:05 <woglinde> and you forget "exact steps please"
Feb 08 21:28:08 <agmlego> Exact steps to OpenCV on xM?
Feb 08 21:28:09 <Shadyman> Or, "My CV is closed. How do i Open it?"
Feb 08 21:28:13 <agmlego> Heh.
Feb 08 21:28:21 <woglinde> Shadyman haha
Feb 08 21:28:22 <Shadyman> also, greets, agmlego.
Feb 08 21:28:23 <woglinde> good
Feb 08 21:28:27 <woglinde> thats enough
Feb 08 21:28:30 <woglinde> made my day
Feb 08 21:28:31 <Shadyman> i see a few familiar faces.
Feb 08 21:29:28 <Shadyman> or, nicknames.
Feb 08 21:30:01 <_av500_> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/xopad/xopad-an-open-source-usb-gamepad-for-android-smart
Feb 08 21:30:07 <_av500_> I love the "meet the team" pics
Feb 08 21:31:13 <woglinde> av500 reminds of miami vice
Feb 08 21:31:47 <Kristina> How bizzare, I'm not getting any output over uart0 when I start my beagleboard with a jtag debugger attached.
Feb 08 21:33:21 <_av500_> holding it in reset?
Feb 08 21:33:26 <_av500_> emu pins?
Feb 08 21:33:35 <woglinde> hm you habe jtag no need for uart ouput
Feb 08 21:34:09 <woglinde> av500 hm I think the will fail 110k
Feb 08 21:34:13 <woglinde> they
Feb 08 21:34:28 <_av500_> woglinde: these days anything can happen...
Feb 08 21:34:50 <woglinde> na
Feb 08 21:34:55 <_av500_> I love how they distract themselves with color choice
Feb 08 21:35:02 <_av500_> for a kickstarter
Feb 08 21:35:40 <woglinde> they should have some pink one
Feb 08 21:35:46 <woglinde> bloody beginners
Feb 08 21:36:11 <Kristina> _av500_: emu0 and emu1 are both 1.
Feb 08 21:37:04 <_av500_> damn, I posted the microbus at the wrong time
Feb 08 21:37:08 <Shadyman> _av500_: I don't care if it's plausible or not, I just want it to look pretty.
Feb 08 21:40:34 <Shadyman> well, clearly plausible, but yes, I see your point.
Feb 08 21:42:57 * djlewis is so bored.
Feb 08 21:43:35 <_av500_> djsa: no borrito?
Feb 08 21:43:40 <_av500_> er, djlewis
Feb 08 21:43:59 <djlewis> _av500_: hitting the bottle, are you ;)
Feb 08 21:45:15 <_av500_> Ishould
Feb 08 21:45:16 <_av500_> sec
Feb 08 21:46:24 <_av500_> yes, I am
Feb 08 21:49:20 <woglinde> hm no bottle here for me
Feb 08 21:49:34 <_av500_> drink from the tap then
Feb 08 21:49:45 <_av500_> or go to the späti
Feb 08 21:49:47 * djlewis will go home to beer in a can later :)
Feb 08 21:50:10 <_av500_> I like this one: If I smash the hope diamond and then get the pope and four world leaders to urinate on it— then surely the resulting mush would be the most rare and costly constructed substance on earth. It would also be worthless.
Feb 08 21:50:17 <Kristina> _av500_: any suggestions on the uart issue?
Feb 08 21:50:18 * agmlego has a growler still partially full at home.
Feb 08 21:50:30 <_av500_> Kristina: sorry, no
Feb 08 21:50:40 <_av500_> long time ago that I did jtag with TI stuff
Feb 08 21:50:45 <_av500_> which one is it btw?
Feb 08 21:50:50 <_av500_> does it speak omap3?
Feb 08 21:51:01 <woglinde> av500 its to late for spaeti
Feb 08 21:51:05 <_av500_> woglinde: lol
Feb 08 21:51:06 <Kristina> debugger? yeah it does, the actual thing boots.
Feb 08 21:51:10 <Kristina> but uart doesn't work.
Feb 08 21:51:11 <_av500_> ah
Feb 08 21:51:14 <_av500_> strange
Feb 08 21:51:25 <Kristina> I can halt the core and view and alter registers.
Feb 08 21:52:24 <_av500_> uart in your boot loader?
Feb 08 21:53:06 <Kristina> No, it's just xloader.
Feb 08 21:54:54 <woglinde> hm fx scene builder has swipe
Feb 08 21:55:13 <_av500_> woglinde: swipe to unlock?
Feb 08 21:55:55 <_av500_> Kristina: what debugger is that?
Feb 08 21:56:34 <Kristina> Tried flyswatter and bdi.
Feb 08 21:58:50 <_av500_> checked if the pinmux is still ok?
Feb 08 21:59:03 <_av500_> and/or the cloks
Feb 08 22:00:59 * mranostay drags prpplague in here
Feb 08 22:01:17 * prpplague peeks into #beagle
Feb 08 22:01:17 <Kristina> Shouldn't xloader take care of that?
Feb 08 22:01:51 <woglinde> av500 hm did not find out how to emulate the swipe with the mouse
Feb 08 22:01:54 <Shadyman> 'lo prpplague
Feb 08 22:01:54 <prpplague> Kristina: what kind of jtag issue are you having?
Feb 08 22:01:59 <prpplague> Shadyman: greetings
Feb 08 22:02:08 <cbrake> prpplague: how well does the flyswatter work with the OMAP3530?
Feb 08 22:02:15 <mranostay> prpplague: you aren't easy to drag btw
Feb 08 22:02:28 <Kristina> prpplague: when I start beagleboard with any jtag debugger, uart stops working.
Feb 08 22:02:35 <mranostay> i think i pulled out my back :P
Feb 08 22:02:37 <prpplague> cbrake: both flyswatter and flyswatter2 work extremely well with 3530
Feb 08 22:02:42 <Kristina> prpplague: I tried bdi3000 and flyswatter2.
Feb 08 22:02:42 <cbrake> prpplague: funny, customer was just asking me about JTAG for mfg checkout
Feb 08 22:02:53 <mdp> Kristina: patch for that went upstream
Feb 08 22:02:55 <prpplague> Kristina: this is a know issue with the bootloader configuration
Feb 08 22:02:56 <mranostay> Kristina: BDI should work really well as well
Feb 08 22:03:04 <cbrake> prpplague: so I pop over hear, and you guys are talking about JTAG :-)
Feb 08 22:03:09 <prpplague> Kristina: mdp submitted a bootloader fix ages ago
Feb 08 22:03:13 <mdp> mranostay: needs the same patch on BDI
Feb 08 22:03:17 <prpplague> Kristina: i suspect you are using something every old
Feb 08 22:03:21 <mdp> probe independent
Feb 08 22:03:35 <prpplague> cbrake: hehe
Feb 08 22:03:37 <mdp> prpplague: the xloader comment is the tip-off
Feb 08 22:03:42 <prpplague> mdp: indeed
Feb 08 22:03:49 <woglinde> re prpplague
Feb 08 22:04:09 <prpplague> woglinde: hey hey!
Feb 08 22:04:37 <cbrake> prpplague: can you do custom boundary scan type things -- wiggle pins, etc?
Feb 08 22:04:49 <mdp> Friday gift: gcl reponds to some panto dt overlay related patches
Feb 08 22:05:06 <_av500_> cbrake: that sounds like bit banging!
Feb 08 22:05:16 <_av500_> mdp: what patch is that?
Feb 08 22:05:20 <woglinde> xo
Feb 08 22:05:21 <prpplague> cbrake: flyswatter/2 is just hardware, you need some software to do whatever you need, in most cases openocd will do what you need
Feb 08 22:05:22 <woglinde> ups
Feb 08 22:05:29 <woglinde> so old xloader breaks uart?
Feb 08 22:05:32 <prpplague> cbrake: however there are several other open packages that work as well
Feb 08 22:05:41 <prpplague> woglinde: only if you halt via jtag
Feb 08 22:05:43 <mdp> cbrake: I use my FS2 to wiggle load an fpga
Feb 08 22:05:52 <prpplague> mdp: which fpga?
Feb 08 22:05:55 <Shadyman> Apparently Angstrom's Narcissus image builder ( narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org ) is currently being moved, so it is indeed "down".
Feb 08 22:06:00 <mdp> spartan3
Feb 08 22:06:10 <mdp> I submitted a patch to xc3sprog
Feb 08 22:06:17 <woglinde> Shadyman we had that some hours ago
Feb 08 22:06:18 <mdp> for "full FS2 support!"
Feb 08 22:06:19 <Kristina> prpplague: Can you link me to the patch? I'm curious now.
Feb 08 22:06:23 <cbrake> mdp: neat
Feb 08 22:06:53 <Shadyman> woglinde: Ah. I just found out now :)
Feb 08 22:06:59 <_av500_> prpplague: /me too
Feb 08 22:07:25 <woglinde> hm I should test my fw2 on something
Feb 08 22:07:25 <mdp> av500: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.u-boot/130997
Feb 08 22:08:00 <_av500_> Kristina: ^^^
Feb 08 22:08:07 <_av500_> clock, as I said :)
Feb 08 22:08:12 <mdp> _av500_, ^^^^
Feb 08 22:08:14 <mdp> ;)
Feb 08 22:08:18 <prpplague> mdp: ahh dandy
Feb 08 22:08:39 <woglinde> uboot patch
Feb 08 22:08:43 <woglinde> hm
Feb 08 22:08:52 <Kristina> mdp: oh, you're fom TI?
Feb 08 22:08:55 <_av500_> btw, I love "Section 3.5.3.3.3.2.1"
Feb 08 22:08:56 <mdp> no
Feb 08 22:09:01 <_av500_> from Mars
Feb 08 22:09:03 <mdp> I'm from the government
Feb 08 22:09:08 <woglinde> half of the channel is ti
Feb 08 22:09:12 <_av500_> was
Feb 08 22:09:15 <woglinde> hm or was
Feb 08 22:09:16 <woglinde> yes
Feb 08 22:09:17 <woglinde> yes
Feb 08 22:09:23 <mdp> was, lol
Feb 08 22:09:33 <Kristina> Oh, no longer a TIer?
Feb 08 22:09:38 <_av500_> he is
Feb 08 22:09:51 <woglinde> Kristina umh you did not get the news?
Feb 08 22:10:15 <Russ> ya, TI laid off half of #beagle a little while back
Feb 08 22:10:17 <prpplague> mdp: to the mailing list?
Feb 08 22:10:34 <_av500_> Russ: no, half of #pandaboard
Feb 08 22:10:44 <prpplague> no, all of pandaboard
Feb 08 22:10:45 <prpplague> hehe
Feb 08 22:10:47 <_av500_> right
Feb 08 22:10:51 <mdp> prpplague: some amount of vomit involved but I managed to use the sourceforge xc3sprog tracker mechanism: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3598066&group_id=170565&atid=854669
Feb 08 22:10:58 <_av500_> where is my severance package???
Feb 08 22:11:24 <mdp> prpplague: it's hardly revolutionary, a typical one-liner ;)
Feb 08 22:11:57 <_av500_> mdp: wo, that looks arcane
Feb 08 22:11:59 <_av500_> wow*
Feb 08 22:12:12 <mranostay> _av500_: all the pandaboard old stock you want
Feb 08 22:12:52 <prpplague> mdp: yea, just wanted to know about it as we have had a few people ask
Feb 08 22:13:08 <mdp> oh cool..works great
Feb 08 22:13:56 <mdp> thought I mentioned it to you, but that was probably during the thick of OMAPageddon 2012
Feb 08 22:16:56 <mdp> sciencefair:30, bbl
Feb 08 22:35:44 <djlewis> later and have a good weekend guys.. . .
Feb 08 22:54:04 <woglinde> good nite
Feb 08 22:54:39 <_av500_> woglinde: no späti?
Feb 08 22:56:02 <woglinde> no
Feb 08 22:56:20 <spacecolonyone> Where should I look to find logs of the changes from the last opkg upgrade with angstrom?
Feb 08 22:56:20 <woglinde> maybee tomorrow I will get an augustiner
Feb 08 22:56:34 <woglinde> spacecolonyone o.O
Feb 08 22:56:43 <woglinde> there are no logs
Feb 08 22:56:57 <spacecolonyone> shoot
Feb 08 22:57:10 <woglinde> or used script before sshing
Feb 08 22:57:35 <woglinde> than the script log file logs on your host
Feb 08 22:57:47 <spacecolonyone> I'm seeing some very odd behavior and the only thing i "think" i changed was issuing opkg update;opkg upgrade
Feb 08 22:58:03 <spacecolonyone> I remember "core" something was in there
Feb 08 22:58:17 <woglinde> blame your distribution
Feb 08 22:58:21 <woglinde> so now really off
Feb 08 22:58:45 <_av500_> why do people run opkg upgrade?
Feb 08 22:58:45 <spacecolonyone> and I was considering using opkg compre-versions
Feb 08 22:59:00 <spacecolonyone> woglinde: ?
Feb 08 22:59:06 <thurbad> because it's there?
Feb 08 22:59:16 <spacecolonyone> _av500_: because I thought it was encouraged
Feb 08 22:59:20 <thurbad> it's like the don't press me button
Feb 08 22:59:22 <emeb> _av500_: yeah - old packgaes should be good enough
Feb 08 22:59:32 <spacecolonyone> should I re bitbake it?
Feb 08 22:59:35 <emeb> packgaes?
Feb 08 22:59:36 <thurbad> update is mandatory
Feb 08 22:59:48 <thurbad> upgrade more often than not breaks your install
Feb 08 23:00:19 <ds2> no, redid the console
Feb 08 23:00:40 <_av500_> I know what opkg upgrade does
Feb 08 23:01:26 <emeb> i don't :P
Feb 08 23:01:41 <_av500_> still people always do it and then coplain here that it broke their system
Feb 08 23:01:53 <_av500_> so I wonder why
Feb 08 23:02:16 <emeb> patch it to ask "are you sure? this will likely break your system"
Feb 08 23:02:17 <_av500_> instead of concentrating on their actualy goal
Feb 08 23:02:23 <_av500_> like blink some leds
Feb 08 23:02:26 <_av500_> or detect some green
Feb 08 23:02:32 <_av500_> they play distro wars
Feb 08 23:02:45 <thurbad> what it won't do is upgrade your distribution, which some people think it will
Feb 08 23:02:46 <_av500_> which is a fair goal in itself
Feb 08 23:02:46 <emeb> or add a mustache
Feb 08 23:03:56 <_av500_> but this is not a desktop distro where thousands of poeple run the same config
Feb 08 23:03:56 * emeb fires up his beagle just to read up on opkg commands
Feb 08 23:04:34 <_av500_> but then, what do I know :)
Feb 08 23:07:00 <shawn> ok, have  a beagle board xm rev c4.  i used build root to build everything.  I'm trying to figure out how to get output to the monitor.  can anyone give me any ideas
Feb 08 23:08:36 <spacecolonyone> ok so _av500_ what is the recommended procedure. doing git pull on setup scripts and rebitbaking my image?
Feb 08 23:09:07 <_av500_> or just use that image
Feb 08 23:09:27 <thurbad> you shouldn't need to rebitbake, just re-deploy the rootfs
Feb 08 23:09:44 <spacecolonyone> Ok, well in situations where I built the image a while back and now for instance conman 1.1 and systemd 189 are out and incorpoated
Feb 08 23:10:32 <spacecolonyone> thurbad: that automatically grabs updated stuff? I must be missing something about how it all works. I thought I had the flow pretty down pat.
Feb 08 23:10:34 <Shadyman> beaglebone, y u no have iwconfig??
Feb 08 23:11:29 <_av500_> it has conmad
Feb 08 23:11:30 <thurbad> oh, you want an updated distro?
Feb 08 23:12:06 <spacecolonyone> I'm on 2012.05 with the 3.2.28 kernel that I patched as part of my bitbake build
Feb 08 23:13:08 <spacecolonyone> when I built is was systemd v44 or some such and connman v0.79, which lack features I'd like and have bugs. I'd like to grab updated stuff and incorporate it is the manner least likely to break stuff
Feb 08 23:14:37 <emeb> schadenfreude: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/02/my-dead-blackberry-10-a-eulogy.html
Feb 08 23:14:38 <spacecolonyone> I'm not opposed to getting a new kernel, especially if smart reflex has been patched in and is finally working
Feb 08 23:14:44 <thurbad> there may be a different branch with a more recent version in that same repo, but I haven't kept up with all that in a while I'm afraid
Feb 08 23:30:20 <_av500_> emeb: thx :)
Feb 08 23:38:49 <shawn> anyone know how to get output to the monitor from beagleboard xm?
Feb 08 23:38:57 <mranostay> connect it first
Feb 08 23:39:00 <prpplague> hmm i have two phytec omap4 dev platforms thta i was hope'n to sell, but no one seems interested, i wonder why.....hehe
Feb 08 23:39:10 <_av500_> $5
Feb 08 23:39:19 <mranostay> prpplague: give me $5 and i'll take them
Feb 08 23:39:19 <mru> mranostay: that's my line!
Feb 08 23:39:23 <shawn> it's connected.
Feb 08 23:39:36 <shawn> i used buildroot to build everything
Feb 08 23:40:29 <mranostay> prpplague: selling vendor loan boards for beer^H^H^H^Hrum money?
Feb 08 23:40:34 <thurbad> what does the console say about dss?
Feb 08 23:41:15 <prpplague> mranostay: actually i purchased these
Feb 08 23:41:30 <prpplague> mranostay: i make a few omap4 based netbooks
Feb 08 23:41:34 <prpplague> mranostay: had these left over
Feb 08 23:42:36 <prpplague> mranostay: but yea, beer money, hehe
Feb 08 23:43:09 <mranostay> so how much for your TV?
Feb 08 23:44:04 <prpplague> mranostay: unlike the omap4 dev kits, my tv is useful, i want to keep that
Feb 08 23:44:13 <shawn> ithurbad: I don't see anything related to dss.  is it omap_dss?
Feb 08 23:44:41 <thurbad> same thing
Feb 08 23:44:46 <shawn> that might be my starting point.  make it's being installed
Feb 08 23:44:58 <shawn> make sure it's installed
Feb 08 23:47:22 <emeb> _av500_: yw :)
Feb 08 23:47:33 <mranostay> prpplague: bitter much? :)
Feb 08 23:47:44 <prpplague> mranostay: some
Feb 08 23:47:45 <thurbad> next thing to check would be your bootargs
Feb 08 23:48:06 <prpplague> mranostay: but the funny thing is, i might have a job offer to support some omap4 and omap5 projects, hehe
Feb 08 23:48:29 <_av500_> you can always work for eagleboard.org
Feb 08 23:48:44 <emeb> never burn those bridges.
Feb 08 23:49:05 <mranostay> unless you hit the lotto
Feb 08 23:49:10 <thurbad> I'd buy it if there was some hope of being able to get the omap4 chips going forward
Feb 08 23:49:31 <ds2> let the omap4 RIP
Feb 08 23:49:48 <_av500_> get a jacinto
Feb 08 23:50:09 <thurbad> we need a omap3 replacement solution at some point :/
Feb 08 23:50:38 <ds2> omap5!!$#@!$!@!@#$!@
Feb 08 23:51:02 <mranostay> prpplague: anything is better than x86 support :)
Feb 08 23:51:07 <prpplague> well all the performance tests have passed for the sdmux
Feb 08 23:51:11 <prpplague> mranostay: indeed
Feb 08 23:52:59 <mranostay> prpplague: intel must pay well to deal with that crap :)
Feb 08 23:53:28 <prpplague> indeed
Feb 08 23:53:40 <prpplague> mranostay: you can ask Dave Stewart at ELC
Feb 08 23:54:48 * mranostay eyes davest 
Feb 08 23:55:55 * mranostay is in Makefile hell
Feb 08 23:56:06 <emeb> try scons
Feb 08 23:56:09 * emeb ducks
Feb 08 23:56:30 <_av500_> try COMPILE.BAT
Feb 08 23:58:13 <mranostay> badass build system tech
Feb 08 23:58:39 <_av500_> make sure you use recursive make files
Feb 08 23:58:58 <Russ> mranostay, badass rockstar
Feb 08 23:59:43 <mru> whatever insanity you have, I've seen worse
Feb 09 00:00:56 <ds2> ah ha
Feb 09 00:01:06 <ds2> damn surprises in rowboat
Feb 09 00:01:18 <ds2> their U-boot is F'ed
Feb 09 00:03:06 <_av500_> use fastboot
Feb 09 00:03:14 <emeb> port android!
Feb 09 00:03:22 <ds2> wouldn't have mattered if the same person did it
Feb 09 00:03:23 <_av500_> run proper linux
Feb 09 00:03:36 <_av500_> not that abomination
Feb 09 00:03:36 <ds2> they upped the USB power path limit to 1.3A in U-boot
Feb 09 00:03:50 <mranostay> heh
Feb 09 00:03:57 <mranostay> that seems high
Feb 09 00:04:05 <ds2> so when it boots up and draws enough power, entire system collaspses since the hub kills power
Feb 09 00:04:18 <ds2> console is powered that way so everything gets F'ed
Feb 09 00:04:31 <ds2> lower the power path limit and it actually works
Feb 09 00:05:32 <_av500_> what draw so much power?
Feb 09 00:05:35 <_av500_> draws
Feb 09 00:06:19 <ds2> i have a proper hub that clips at 500mA sharp
Feb 09 00:07:53 <_av500_> either you need more than 500ma or not
Feb 09 00:08:02 <_av500_> how do you change that in sw?
Feb 09 00:11:08 <mranostay> magic
Feb 09 00:12:19 <emeb> never underestimate the power of a properly waved rubber chicken.
Feb 09 00:31:26 <ds2> mdp? know if the am335x can change its drive strength on the pinmux?
Feb 09 00:36:36 <mrpackethead> .on GPIO?
Feb 09 00:36:42 <ds2> yes
Feb 09 00:37:22 <mrpackethead> its only 6mA
Feb 09 00:37:31 <mrpackethead> not much at all
Feb 09 00:43:18 <ds2> found it. nevermind
Feb 09 01:25:46 <ds2> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee lcd works
Feb 09 01:41:12 <toneeee> howdy folks
Feb 09 02:29:37 <agmlego> Is http://us.feeds.angstrom-distribution.org still the correct path for US Angstrom packages?
Feb 09 02:30:20 <agmlego> Trying to update my demo image, and neither that nor the general feeds. is working. Both time out, on my bone and on my host PC.
Feb 09 02:31:16 <agmlego> They time out via IP address as well, so it is not a DNS thing, unless 140.211.169.179 is the wrong IP address.
Feb 09 02:35:33 <agmlego> No, even out of my home network on my colo box in Southfield MI, those domains and IP addresses go nowhere.
Feb 09 02:37:23 <toneeee> agmlego: I read earlier in chat they are moving it
Feb 09 02:37:39 <agmlego> Ah, must have missed that.
Feb 09 02:37:51 <agmlego> Thanks for the info, will keep an eye out for the new location.
Feb 09 02:37:54 <toneeee> yeah I didn't see it except in passing. Someone couldn't find narcissus
Feb 09 02:38:02 <toneeee> One day the DNS will resolve properly
Feb 09 02:38:08 <agmlego> Heh.
Feb 09 02:38:33 <agmlego> I guess the next thing then would be to find a power supply and try getting this debian netinstall image to boot to the installer.
Feb 09 02:38:54 <agmlego> The boot process puts my hub into reset with that catrd... :-/
Feb 09 02:47:42 <ds2> arrrrrrrrrrgggggggggg
Feb 09 02:47:57 <ds2> this pinmux code is fraught with errors
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