**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 13 02:59:58 2013 Feb 13 03:30:17 does anyone know how to reset the splash screen on the dlp pico projector? Feb 13 03:56:51 wtf is a pico projector? Feb 13 03:59:44 it's a low res portable digital projector Feb 13 04:05:56 mranostay: http://www.brookstone.com/aaxa-80-lumens-p4x-pico-hdmi-pocket-projector?bkiid=SearchResults|CategoryProductList|810915p Feb 13 04:10:49 prpplague: so how did three TIers get the same slot? :) Feb 13 04:11:20 i'm forced to choose between denix and mdp.. *sniff* :) Feb 13 04:12:22 Crofton: btw you also owe me a beer for skipping my talk :P Feb 13 04:12:26 mranostay: just luck of the draw Feb 13 04:12:56 prpplague: me and frank are in a hard slot :) Feb 13 04:15:36 ds2: ouch you have the last slot Feb 13 04:15:54 mranostay: huh? Feb 13 04:16:15 slot for? Feb 13 04:17:13 unless there is another Hunyue Yau :) Feb 13 04:17:26 ELC Feb 13 04:17:30 thurbad, swsusp resume from u-boot Feb 13 04:17:48 they shuffled again? Feb 13 04:18:01 the last I heard it was wed. Feb 13 04:18:04 look at the schedule Feb 13 04:19:23 DOH... Feb 13 04:19:29 and I am still waiting for my refund... Feb 13 04:19:48 this gives me more time to get my demo working then ;) Feb 13 04:25:53 the tomatoes will be nice and mushy by the third day too :) Feb 13 04:26:01 doh doh doh Feb 13 04:26:14 mmm... juicy! Feb 13 05:15:04 mranostay, I am hoping they are just sopping by the time your talk is. Feb 13 05:15:53 geez thanks ka6sox Feb 13 05:20:51 he he .... Feb 13 05:20:54 smile! Feb 13 05:23:59 * mranostay pokes mrpackethead Feb 13 05:24:16 did'nt hurt Feb 13 06:03:07 mranostay: did you get my email Feb 13 06:05:28 yep Feb 13 06:05:42 the tubes work usually Feb 13 06:11:43 ew, tubes Feb 13 06:11:48 Mmmmm tubes Feb 13 06:12:11 ewwtube.com Feb 13 06:12:28 not gonna click that Feb 13 06:12:30 I was expecting videos of sheep Feb 13 06:12:33 I am disappointed Feb 13 06:12:35 no kidding Feb 13 06:13:00 mranostay: have you seen the press button style setups for generating the HV? Feb 13 06:13:22 what - piezo zappers? Feb 13 06:13:51 no... the button is an interruptor for a coil Feb 13 06:14:46 ah - just an ordinary hv xfrmr. Feb 13 06:15:10 avoids the need for the multivibrator/buzzer Feb 13 06:15:38 so do you have to pulse the button manually? Feb 13 06:17:10 shockingly, no one is using ewwtube.com. I sense an opportunity! Feb 13 06:17:22 one? several! Feb 13 06:18:51 not ewetube.com? ;) Feb 13 06:19:32 baaaa! Feb 13 06:22:28 have a countdown timer page Feb 13 06:52:08 goodmorning Feb 13 07:25:44 good jihad! Feb 13 07:27:01 good moaning Feb 13 07:41:47 KotH: woot Feb 13 07:42:09 KotH: somebody finally mentioned bittorrent on that thread! Feb 13 07:42:23 and one of the mesh guys said, yes, they are working on it Feb 13 07:43:22 lol Feb 13 07:43:26 musta read again! Feb 13 07:43:46 anybody here using uart4 on a am3517/am3505? Feb 13 07:46:51 av500: at least the monk dot guy seems to know where the problem with mesh networks is Feb 13 07:47:14 av500: but i doubt he already has a solution for that (otherwise he'd be the hero of a huge research community) Feb 13 07:51:12 ....we need more ad hoc networks when obama comes to take over ours. PERIOD..... Feb 13 08:00:02 ack Feb 13 08:00:24 someday we will bring FREEDOM to the usians! Feb 13 08:31:46 trolls Feb 13 08:34:03 i'm looking at the beagle Feb 13 08:34:10 and trying to work out what can be removed! Feb 13 08:34:44 mrpackethead: remove it all and get rpi :) Feb 13 08:34:54 lol. Feb 13 08:35:24 you called for trolls Feb 13 08:52:24 no, i smelt trolls Feb 13 08:58:01 troll smelter Feb 13 08:59:44 are trolls metallic? Feb 13 09:12:18 potentially ferroelectric Feb 13 09:39:09 zehra23.29 Feb 13 09:39:20 öhm.. Feb 13 09:39:24 you didnt see that ^^' Feb 13 09:39:39 see what? Feb 13 09:39:43 nice pwd, btw Feb 13 09:39:43 exactly Feb 13 10:14:48 so, i know the password, i just need the username and the host Feb 13 10:15:00 that shoudl only take about 100million years Feb 13 10:17:22 gm Feb 13 10:23:16 mrpackethead: 192.168.0.14 Feb 13 10:23:24 oh excllent.. Feb 13 10:23:31 thanks. Feb 13 10:23:59 our firewall blocks that Address range Feb 13 10:24:03 :-) Feb 13 10:24:08 truely it does. Feb 13 10:24:42 i have seen those netblocks appearing in a local Peering Point once. Feb 13 10:24:59 had to whip some so called netowrk engineers Feb 13 10:58:20 mrpackethead: reminds me of our provider in 2000... Feb 13 11:01:58 it's ok, only a few months ago we had a drive failure on our main servers Feb 13 11:02:23 that's when we found out, our provider, had been storing the drive backup.... wait for it.... Feb 13 11:02:34 on the same drive. Feb 13 11:02:41 :( Feb 13 11:03:33 my cynicism levelled up that day Feb 13 11:04:48 eh.. Feb 13 11:05:23 one reason why our IT is internal... although outsourcing would be much cheaper: we know how well our stuff is done Feb 13 11:06:10 yes, I do all my own 'internal IT', aka I have nothing to do with any of the managed IT apart from my company email Feb 13 11:09:53 lol Feb 13 11:10:16 every developer worth it's salt should do the same - IT departments are for the secretaries Feb 13 11:10:47 actually, no Feb 13 11:11:13 having someone who cares about the general setup of machines and infrastructure saves a lot of time of any developer who can invest it to do better things Feb 13 11:11:25 like writing time sheets Feb 13 11:11:30 exactly Feb 13 11:13:24 I don't agree Feb 13 11:13:47 being self-reliant with the tools of your trade is important Feb 13 11:14:00 I'm not saying you should run your own mail/web server Feb 13 11:14:18 but you should be able to get work done without being reliant on TI Feb 13 11:14:34 thats why I bring my own ipad to work Feb 13 11:14:50 so I can surf the net without IT department Feb 13 11:15:29 they let you have an ipad? don't you work for a company that makes competing tablets? :) Feb 13 11:15:48 shhh Feb 13 11:21:20 mdp, does edma need to do anything on suspend/resume? Feb 13 11:23:57 can't help but to notice that it's in the PER domain Feb 13 11:25:40 what would be the best way of finding the size of an unsigned long at runtime in the kernel Feb 13 11:25:54 sizeof(unsigned long) crashes the kernel for some reason unbeknown to me Feb 13 11:26:30 ...You have one of the top 5% most viewed LinkedIn profiles for 2012. ... Feb 13 11:26:31 lol Feb 13 11:39:51 jackmitchell, err, that's not possible Feb 13 11:40:12 sizeof(unsigned long) is fixed at compile time Feb 13 11:40:16 panto: yes, I just figured it out know, it was down to my kfifo incompetance Feb 13 11:40:25 heh Feb 13 11:40:32 I was passing it a value rather than a pointer Feb 13 11:40:39 it was not happy about it Feb 13 12:29:45 urgh G+ is showing me 'Cute Love Quotes' Feb 13 12:30:05 what were you expecting this time of year Feb 13 12:30:26 hmm, mine is not Feb 13 12:30:35 you circled the wrong people Feb 13 12:30:49 mine is not either Feb 13 12:30:52 it's the What's Hot stuff they shove down your throat Feb 13 12:31:01 but I've hidden all the crap to the right of the main stream Feb 13 12:31:03 I never go there Feb 13 12:31:07 'inspirational quotes' bleugh Feb 13 12:31:11 how do I stop it? Feb 13 12:31:15 stop? Feb 13 12:31:19 hide under a rock until friday Feb 13 12:31:35 is there a way to 'unsubscribe' from the whats hot feed? Feb 13 12:31:47 in the app? or browser? Feb 13 12:31:56 I got rid of it in both Feb 13 12:32:02 forgot how Feb 13 12:32:21 in the browser, move the slider to the left Feb 13 12:32:23 ah hah, I had to slide the slider to never show this feed Feb 13 12:32:27 yes Feb 13 12:32:34 successkid.jpg Feb 13 12:32:37 jackmitchell: there is in the settings Feb 13 12:32:59 can we get back to trolling now? Feb 13 12:33:13 just one more love quote.... Feb 13 12:35:31 jackmitchell: https://plus.google.com/u/0/explore move the slider at the top to the left. done. Feb 13 12:35:43 dm8tbr: yep, I've found it thanks! Feb 13 12:49:44 jackmitchell: b-tard? Feb 13 12:50:49 lots of +tards here though Feb 13 12:57:28 boo boo hoo, I bought a 5 volt 3 amp power supply, and I still have the same problem with Starterware and the beagle bone Feb 13 12:58:26 does anyone know the defualt URL for the starterware demo? Feb 13 12:58:29 what's a 'starterware' Feb 13 12:58:34 or is it dynamic? Feb 13 12:59:03 dm8btbr : startware is a library for programming the beaglebone without any OS Feb 13 12:59:59 well, ask the vendor? Feb 13 13:02:10 well thank you very much, why didnt anyone think of that before, I just love it when someone has the solution Feb 13 13:05:30 I have a beagle xm where the serial doesn't properly output the boot rom "60" even after a full power down / remove power usb etc Feb 13 13:05:31 HappyHippo: it's great isn't it, the obvious answer is always overlooked Feb 13 13:06:17 I can get is back to a working state if I boot from the sd-card. any clue? (I tried all possible baudrates) Feb 13 13:06:58 KotH: I don't delve into those lower echelons of the internet Feb 13 13:07:21 KotH: far too many lower echelon women in that hole Feb 13 13:07:26 Russ, I didn't look at that for am335x. it's probable that the queue priority regs may need to be restored Feb 13 13:07:51 I see a 3.2 psp patch for it Feb 13 13:08:09 I'm fighting with 3.8 pm though Feb 13 13:08:24 doesn't seem to want to call my suspend/resume functions Feb 13 13:11:05 ah, its a platform_device/hibernation interaction Feb 13 13:12:47 device_resume->platform_pm_restore->platform_legacy_resume-> dev->resume (which does not exist, only pm_ops->resume) Feb 13 13:17:56 I think I am going to go back to FPGA's Feb 13 13:19:00 going back to stone axes and bear skins is looking increasingly like a good idea Feb 13 13:19:27 +1 Feb 13 13:20:12 never mind that I'd be dead within a week Feb 13 13:20:12 as silly as it sounds, if you write a few good VHDL libs, FPGA's can be rather productive Feb 13 13:23:39 HappyHippo: what starterware url? Feb 13 13:24:53 av500, this is how the starterware is suppost to work, you put a bootloader and app file on an SD card, put SD card into beagle bone, then you connect ethernet to the beagle bone, along with a USB for the serial Feb 13 13:25:10 and serial is silent? Feb 13 13:25:20 av500, then you connect a terminal program to the beagle bone, which will tell you the URL of the beaglebone ethernet Feb 13 13:25:41 av500, occasionally the beaglebone spits out CCCCCCCC on a terminal window Feb 13 13:28:02 HappyHippo: what steps did you take Feb 13 13:28:11 have you copied the MLO file to the sd card? Feb 13 13:28:47 jackmitchell : yes and the app file as well, and I also tried doing it with the documentation mention TI utility for formating the SD card Feb 13 13:29:35 HappyHippo: hmm, CCCCC usually means that it can't find the MLO file Feb 13 13:30:04 did you get the bootloader from this folder: "\binary\armv7a\cgt_ccs\am335x\beaglebone\bootloader\". Feb 13 13:30:08 I am wondering, is the partition supposed to be of some limited size Feb 13 13:31:26 JackMitchell : that is correct, and I got the demo from its "\binary\armv7a\cgt_ccs\am335x\beaglebone\demo" Feb 13 13:32:04 wow: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboot/source/browse/beagleboot/filesystem/ff.c#422 Feb 13 13:32:44 ok, so you formatted the SD card to FAT16, then copied the boot_ti.bin to MLO, then copied the _ti,bin to app on the card Feb 13 13:32:46 in that order Feb 13 13:32:57 it is important that the MLO goes on first I belive Feb 13 13:33:15 no Feb 13 13:33:19 it is not Feb 13 13:33:25 JackMitchell thats what I did Feb 13 13:33:26 I stand corrected Feb 13 13:33:46 HappyHippo: if that's what you did then I'm out of ideas I'm afraid Feb 13 13:34:36 is the fat partition an even number of sectors in size, and is it marked active/bootable? Feb 13 13:35:22 One think I have noticed, under device manager, there is the "Texas Instruments XDS560 PCI JTAG emulator" I am wondering, shouldnt it be a USB emulator? I am just wondering if there is a problem with the windows drivers and are getting confused with the USB serial and emulator drivers Feb 13 13:35:41 MRU, good point Feb 13 13:35:53 if you see CCCC you have the serial setup right Feb 13 13:37:39 mru: like this: http://images.derstandard.at/2012/11/08/1350343771728.jpg Feb 13 13:38:02 looks about right Feb 13 13:40:02 not to be confused with http://images.derstandard.at/2012/11/08/1350343772451.jpg Feb 13 13:40:32 I see Feb 13 13:40:43 jackmitchell : at least you went through the proper procedure Feb 13 13:43:02 av500: hmpfff I got that one https://twitter.com/CCCCUSA Feb 13 13:43:24 oh dear Feb 13 13:44:57 interesting Feb 13 13:45:28 CCCCCCCCC Feb 13 13:45:41 mdp: out! Feb 13 13:46:57 CCCCMOS Feb 13 13:54:08 29C3 Feb 13 14:14:56 * Russ looks a little sideways at regulator_check_consumers in drivers/regulator/core.c Feb 13 14:27:16 https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1817551/ Feb 13 14:27:49 http://hastebin.com/bepiyuqire.pl Feb 13 14:28:05 sadly that isn't how list_for_each_entry works Feb 13 14:52:01 prpplague: good morning! Feb 13 14:52:23 koen-: greetings texan koen Feb 13 14:52:52 * mdp hears "synergy" and reaches for the flask Feb 13 14:52:57 hehe Feb 13 14:55:27 prpplague: I've been staring at a build problem for a week now Feb 13 14:55:43 prpplague: finally went through the config.log, turns out it's due to ccache Feb 13 14:55:48 * koen- headdesks Feb 13 14:55:55 doh Feb 13 14:56:00 btdt Feb 13 14:56:45 * mru gave up on ccacche, distcc and similar tricks years ago Feb 13 14:57:20 turns out getting a fast computer and avoiding shitty software works just as well Feb 13 15:01:05 avoiding shitty software is the more difficult of those two... Feb 13 15:03:06 http://www.vapoursynth.com/2012/10/open-binary-introducing-a-practical-alternative-to-open-source/ Feb 13 15:06:55 av500: haven't you posted that before? Feb 13 15:08:34 have I? Feb 13 15:08:43 someone has Feb 13 15:08:48 I know I've seen it before Feb 13 15:09:06 and it's (clearly) the kind of thing you'd post Feb 13 15:09:10 av500: you had Feb 13 15:09:20 and it used to mention mplayer in the text Feb 13 15:09:21 posted or pasted? Feb 13 15:09:26 KotH: still does Feb 13 15:09:27 irc Feb 13 15:09:35 mru: oh? have i overlooked it? Feb 13 15:09:40 mru: now that I read it, yes Feb 13 15:09:50 * KotH is blind Feb 13 15:09:58 * KotH talked for too long with webdesigners today Feb 13 15:10:15 KotH: sounds like you need some chocolate Feb 13 15:10:23 seeing as you don't drink Feb 13 15:10:30 good idea Feb 13 15:10:37 hmm Feb 13 15:10:38 * KotH walks off to grab some Feb 13 15:10:55 are you saying drinking is a good idea? Feb 13 15:11:05 don't give me any ideas Feb 13 15:13:40 it is Feb 13 15:14:31 that's what the bottle of scotch keeps insisting too Feb 13 15:14:37 so far I haven't quite believed it Feb 13 15:15:05 I suspect it has its own agenda Feb 13 15:16:20 it's ok to succumb to its warm embrace Feb 13 15:17:56 an embrace can quickly turn into a stranglehold Feb 13 15:18:21 goes for both whisky and women Feb 13 15:21:34 mru: nope, eating chocolate Feb 13 15:22:36 choclate is nice... it wont strangle you, it wont hold you longer than you feel confortable and women like it if you always have some good chocolate with you Feb 13 15:23:37 there's bound to be a catch somewhere Feb 13 15:26:14 yes: whenever i ate a lot of chocolate, i lost weight Feb 13 15:26:19 with you that might be dangerouse Feb 13 15:26:39 if it's possible Feb 13 15:26:47 you've mentioned 3 things together here Feb 13 15:27:01 2 of which are predictable...1 of which is completely unpredictable Feb 13 15:27:23 women are unpredictable Feb 13 15:27:25 mru: i went from 65kg down to 60 within a couple of months... while eating normaly (other than 0.5-1kg chocolate a day) Feb 13 15:27:59 I think most people on the cocoa plantations prefer scotch! Feb 13 15:28:20 tsjsieb: that's because they dont get the swiss chocolate Feb 13 15:28:43 tsjsieb: don't get me wrong, I like a good scotch Feb 13 15:28:56 KoTH: or it's because the dont get anything Feb 13 15:29:42 or at least that goes for a lot of them Feb 13 15:31:16 mru: is there such a thing as bad scotch? or can we call good scotch just scotch! Feb 13 15:31:35 there are things sold under that label that I'd rather not drink Feb 13 15:35:04 KotH: now that mesh thing has 200 reshares... Feb 13 15:45:27 fun fun fun Feb 13 15:45:30 i love it Feb 13 15:45:47 3 months of no job offers in the DFW area, and now i get 5 in one day Feb 13 15:46:00 * prpplague has some decisions to make Feb 13 15:46:49 5 jobs Feb 13 15:46:51 one day each Feb 13 15:46:55 per week Feb 13 15:47:47 good idea...give them each a trial period "you're on probation...impress me!" Feb 13 16:16:21 av500: it's a sad wordl Feb 13 16:27:15 KotH: by chance, did you attend ETH Zurich? Feb 13 16:27:29 of course Feb 13 16:28:00 n7segment: holo drew? Feb 13 16:28:16 genau! Feb 13 16:28:20 yay! Feb 13 16:28:26 Hurra! Feb 13 16:28:26 ahahahhahahahahah dude that is insane Feb 13 16:29:01 what brings you to this trollish channel? Feb 13 16:29:56 working for a company that's prototyping on a beagle board Feb 13 16:30:11 CTO hangs out here, so I figured I'd take up the habit Feb 13 16:30:17 hehe Feb 13 16:30:26 so, your CTO is a troll? Feb 13 16:30:32 out him! Feb 13 16:31:14 KotH, duh, it's CTO - Chief Troll Officer Feb 13 16:31:14 don't think he's on right now, but a couple weeks ago he was complaining about how helpful y'all were Feb 13 16:31:29 lol Feb 13 16:31:43 n7segment: as with holo, this is not a family friendly channel Feb 13 16:32:07 gm Feb 13 16:32:15 but with the righ questions asked and bribing the right people with swiss chocolate you can learn a lot Feb 13 16:32:18 hi woglinde Feb 13 16:32:18 hoi woglinde Feb 13 16:32:26 cto? Feb 13 16:32:28 oh my god Feb 13 16:32:40 jo panto Feb 13 16:32:45 who is it who is it Feb 13 16:32:49 its not koth Feb 13 16:32:51 thats for sure Feb 13 16:33:14 woglinde: ofc it's not me! Feb 13 16:33:16 woglinde: i'm cco Feb 13 16:33:37 no, koen- is cco Feb 13 16:33:40 hm there is no p for pratikant Feb 13 16:33:43 CCO in fact Feb 13 16:33:47 av500: different cco :) Feb 13 16:34:00 over here, we have a COE Feb 13 16:34:20 chief officier executor? Feb 13 16:34:37 chief executioner Feb 13 16:35:14 KotH: that's ok... gary turned it into his personal site, heh. You still ever talk? Feb 13 16:35:36 n7segment: not really.. havent met him in 10 years or so Feb 13 16:35:47 yes koth talks the whole day Feb 13 16:36:10 n7segment: i was at his door two years ago, but he was sleeping so deeply that he didnt hear me ringing... at 3pm Feb 13 16:37:07 woglinde: do i talk too much for your taste? Feb 13 16:37:19 amazing... he's taken to video chatting me at like 0800 Colorado time on Saturdays Feb 13 16:37:39 koth haha its okay Feb 13 16:38:04 woglinde: i could try to talk more if you want ;) Feb 13 16:38:07 n7segment: huh? Feb 13 16:38:17 n7segment: since when does gary get up early? Feb 13 16:38:31 n7segment: especially on a saturday Feb 13 16:38:40 must be getting old Feb 13 16:40:50 n7segment: what are you up to these days? beside working on a beagle? Feb 13 16:43:18 KotH: Chief of Everything Feb 13 16:43:55 av500: so, that's where you get your anime from! Feb 13 16:45:04 KotH: nah, he's calling at 0800 _my_ time. CET -8 Feb 13 16:45:36 n7segment: i got that.. but 16 is still very early for gary Feb 13 16:45:40 :) Feb 13 16:45:44 heh, true :) Feb 13 16:47:27 Me, I'm working for a tech startup. Connected devices. Nothing much else new in life. And you? Feb 13 16:48:04 working at a not-so-startup doing all kind of electronics and software :) Feb 13 16:48:08 Internet of Things(tm)! Feb 13 16:48:17 thing of internets! Feb 13 16:48:29 thing of tubes! Feb 13 16:49:26 http://www.protomold.com <- nice service.. and cheap too Feb 13 16:50:47 I could make my own internet tube! Feb 13 16:50:59 I'm with Russ Feb 13 16:51:15 oh.. poor n7segment Feb 13 16:52:11 hah Feb 13 16:53:24 morning people Feb 13 16:53:28 * mranostay sips coffee Feb 13 16:53:38 gm mranostay Feb 13 16:53:40 mranostay: good habit Feb 13 16:54:07 s/coffee/brown awfully tasting liquid that contains coffein/ Feb 13 16:56:06 KotH: maybe he actually found some decent coffee Feb 13 16:56:13 in the US? Feb 13 16:56:17 +1 for coffein. Feb 13 16:56:22 av500: it is possible Feb 13 16:56:25 microbrewed? Feb 13 16:56:38 coffee sounds good Feb 13 16:56:39 schmockaccino? Feb 13 16:56:44 mru: you dont drink coffee early in the morning Feb 13 16:56:50 frockaccino Feb 13 16:57:05 KotH: it's afternoon here Feb 13 16:57:09 mru: coffee is something to enjoy after lunch, or later in the afternoon, sitting in the garden, chatting with friends Feb 13 16:57:27 +1 Feb 13 16:57:27 mru: not at mranostay's place Feb 13 16:57:29 I have no garden and not many friends Feb 13 16:58:03 you have us, i think Feb 13 16:58:19 you're trolls Feb 13 16:58:31 ,) Feb 13 17:00:05 trolls can't be friends? Feb 13 17:02:12 mru: sigh Feb 13 17:02:17 people take stuff serious Feb 13 17:02:30 I thought diy kraken was funny... Feb 13 17:02:36 like glueing worms ? Feb 13 17:02:44 yeah Feb 13 17:02:46 of course _doing_ it would be cruel Feb 13 17:02:54 but only a little Feb 13 17:02:55 well of course Feb 13 17:02:59 we're talking about worms after all Feb 13 17:03:02 and the kraken Feb 13 17:03:14 kraken for the win Feb 13 17:04:07 this is nice: http://www.avertedimagination.com/images/small_labor_day_sun.jpg Feb 13 17:04:12 just point them there http://ow.ly/2uNGAn Feb 13 17:05:43 ogra_: how cruel Feb 13 17:05:51 heh Feb 13 17:06:01 breeding worms for fun Feb 13 17:06:19 and even giving them away Feb 13 17:06:26 tearing apart families Feb 13 17:06:31 loved ones Feb 13 17:06:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA Feb 13 17:06:58 but you can producce krakens fast too ! Feb 13 17:07:47 hmm, can you use those to build a hyperkraken? Feb 13 17:09:26 btw, what time are the elc slides due? Feb 13 17:09:39 av500: that with a filter? Feb 13 17:09:51 and what's to stop me editing them more? Feb 13 17:09:58 mranostay: obviously some kind of filter Feb 13 17:11:15 mranostay: guess so Feb 13 17:11:21 instagram Feb 13 17:14:45 mru, today Feb 13 17:14:51 oh, time Feb 13 17:15:48 'today' is a rather loosely defined term Feb 13 17:16:43 jo prpplague Feb 13 17:16:49 EOB PDT? Feb 13 17:16:58 ho ho and bottle of bajan rum Feb 13 17:17:28 prpplague: can I substitute scotch? Feb 13 17:17:30 or whatever the end of the day on some small island country :) Feb 13 17:17:42 prpplague: starting early Feb 13 17:17:47 mru: sure Feb 13 17:17:52 hey prpplague Feb 13 17:17:54 rum up my coffee Feb 13 17:18:01 panto: hey bud! Feb 13 17:18:08 mru: scotched aerth tactics? Feb 13 17:18:11 mru: scotched earth tactics? Feb 13 17:18:34 hehe Feb 13 17:18:36 prpplague is friendly today Feb 13 17:18:42 av500: I should try that some time Feb 13 17:18:50 mranostay: trying to Feb 13 17:18:58 * prpplague has some decisions to make Feb 13 17:19:09 decisions aren't real Feb 13 17:19:09 blue pill Feb 13 17:19:11 http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/printed-magazine/ <- for the gun fanatics here Feb 13 17:19:13 left door Feb 13 17:19:35 red cable Feb 13 17:20:08 another swig o rum Feb 13 17:20:35 KotH: ban assault printers! Feb 13 17:20:53 that would get me 30 years in California :) Feb 13 17:21:15 you can check out any time you like Feb 13 17:21:58 yeah that is called escaping :) Feb 13 17:22:14 KotH: and the humorous thing is that the problems they had in their early versions are not different than the problems one has with various ultra-cheap magazines from random manufacturers Feb 13 17:23:20 KotH: I've seen many people have problems with ultra-cheap mags bought at gun shows..whether it's semi-auto pistols or various rifles..lots of junk out there. Feb 13 17:23:40 yes, 90% of everything is crap Feb 13 17:23:49 including of the remaining 10% Feb 13 17:23:51 but then civilians don't have the budget of the government purchasers Feb 13 17:23:52 recursively Feb 13 17:24:09 nobody ever does that last 10% optimization ;) Feb 13 17:24:12 mdp: i dont know what probs you have... Feb 13 17:24:32 mdp: i can just walk into the next gun shop and buy a 30 rounds mag for a sig550 for 50usd Feb 13 17:25:07 mdp: and banning that magazines larger than a couple of rounds dont really help Feb 13 17:25:19 KotH: sure, and you can go get a knock-off for 25usd here that may or may not feed reliably...or doesn't latch and drops out of the gun Feb 13 17:25:20 switching mags is a matter of seconds for anyone trained in it Feb 13 17:25:29 mdp: lol Feb 13 17:25:30 KotH: that's my point Feb 13 17:25:59 it's no different than any other goods produced, as mru points out Feb 13 17:26:11 those anti gun fanatics should do some infantry service for 2-3 months Feb 13 17:26:35 koth and than? Feb 13 17:26:42 woglinde: get some perspective Feb 13 17:27:01 o.O Feb 13 17:27:26 woglinde: i guess one of the reasons why .ch has so little crime involving guns is because people are trained in the use of guns and know what they can do.. that gives you a lot of respect of these things Feb 13 17:27:26 I'm sticking to the techie talk you can't lure me in on this tangent ;) Feb 13 17:27:27 O.o Feb 13 17:27:40 * panto only fired M1s - navy people don't need guns much Feb 13 17:27:49 got a kick Feb 13 17:28:05 panto: wimp :) Feb 13 17:28:45 KotH: the uk has much lower gun crime than .ch Feb 13 17:28:54 possibly because guns are almost impossible to get Feb 13 17:28:56 panto: M1 on a ship? that seems impractical :) Feb 13 17:29:01 mru: probably Feb 13 17:29:06 http://defcad.org/ Feb 13 17:29:15 mru: until recently, buying guns in .ch was just finding someone who sold you one Feb 13 17:29:17 the tagline is priceless on their new hosting site Feb 13 17:29:31 mru: no other regulations beside being a swiss citizen Feb 13 17:29:47 mranostay, guns are just impractical on a ship; that was a shooting range for the infantry guys Feb 13 17:30:03 they didn't let us play with actually useful guns Feb 13 17:30:27 ships have cannons, no? Feb 13 17:31:14 panto: short barrel shotguns are little more use in that case :) Feb 13 17:31:52 mru, the times of the ships getting into a close enough range to shoot each other with pea-shooters are long gone Feb 13 17:32:36 mru: yeah but note there are no battleships anymore Feb 13 17:33:11 no, these days they park beyond the horizon and pelt some city from there Feb 13 17:35:26 panto, at least in the .usian use cases, small arms are used "on the ship" in the mission of boarding of ships to enforce the prevailing winds of embargos ;) Feb 13 17:36:21 panto, as my friend who had to board ships at night in the Gulf can attest to Feb 13 17:36:39 prpplague: you going to start poking everyone here that hasn't submitted slides? Feb 13 17:36:46 mdp, true Feb 13 17:36:55 mranostay: not until tomorrow Feb 13 17:37:25 did anyone here ever work with optical modulation systems? Feb 13 17:37:40 I've used a camera shutter... Feb 13 17:37:52 my company does optical stuffs Feb 13 17:38:12 sometimes the outcome is even acceptable Feb 13 17:38:13 modulation as in modulating a laser with a ghz signal Feb 13 17:38:40 have a question? Feb 13 17:38:41 of course KotH isn't on g+ so he doesn't get to see it Feb 13 17:39:07 mranostay: is there an "easy" way to do an I/Q modulation of a laser beam? Feb 13 17:39:36 mranostay: 790nm laser, 4GHz signal bw on I and Q Feb 13 17:41:04 over my head :) Feb 13 17:41:09 thought so :) Feb 13 17:42:06 doing amplitude modulation of a laser is easy.. but i can't find anything about I/Q modulation of lasers Feb 13 17:42:15 can we please stay off topic? Feb 13 17:42:32 mdp: i wont be using a beagle, so this is as off topic as it gets Feb 13 17:42:36 ;) Feb 13 17:42:37 ;) Feb 13 17:42:38 you heard the man! Feb 13 17:43:04 panto: when do you fly? Feb 13 17:43:09 Sunday Feb 13 17:43:20 * mranostay better get off too work Feb 13 17:43:22 *to Feb 13 17:43:33 work is overrated Feb 13 17:44:04 I've been avoiding it all day and I'm still bored Feb 13 17:44:26 did you already finish reading the internet? Feb 13 17:44:37 yeah can't get fired.. yet.. ;) Feb 13 17:46:33 fired, what's that? Feb 13 17:47:02 from a cannon Feb 13 17:47:20 that does sound mildly unpleasant Feb 13 17:47:34 but I doubt my boss has one Feb 13 17:47:53 lucky Feb 13 17:48:53 *g* Feb 13 17:52:34 * KotH wonders how many satelites will die on friday Feb 13 17:52:51 what happens on friday? Feb 13 17:53:10 an asteroid will pass by earth.. below the geosync orbit Feb 13 17:53:19 oh that Feb 13 17:56:05 how does the trajectory compare to actual satellite orbits? Feb 13 17:56:37 and can't they move them out of the way if any happen to be in the asteroid's path? Feb 13 17:57:08 no idea Feb 13 17:58:03 also, critical systems have backup satellites, usually at a lower orbit in the same plane Feb 13 17:58:23 if it's lower orbit, it's not the same place ;) Feb 13 17:58:33 plane, not place Feb 13 17:58:45 ah.. reading is difficult Feb 13 18:02:32 like the astral plane Feb 13 18:09:49 KotH, depends on its orbital inclination relative to the Clarke Belt. Feb 13 18:11:27 the russians haven't been knocking our satellites out of orbit with their Molniya Orbit and it goes lower too. Feb 13 18:13:55 KotH: you want to bet on which get hit? :) Feb 13 18:14:19 ka6sox: space nerd? Feb 13 18:15:15 prpplague: nice spice girls post Feb 13 18:15:23 hehe Feb 13 18:16:03 ka6sox: stop that! i'm learning new things here! Feb 13 18:16:09 many years ago I built a satellite station in a suitcase...and had to learn orbital mechanics because it was solar powered (and I needed to shut everything off to conserve power) Feb 13 18:18:11 the orbital equations were 2 pages of Fortran code that pooped out whether the satellite was in view or not Feb 13 18:18:51 * mdp perks up at the mention of Fortran Feb 13 18:19:36 Jacmet: 814x patches posted Feb 13 18:22:34 mdp, I had two choices...either contort the model 100 to do it ..or let the 80C52 do it...guess which won? Feb 13 18:22:53 hehe Feb 13 18:24:10 ka6sox: model 100 ? Feb 13 18:24:48 Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100 Feb 13 18:25:06 *ahem* "trash-80" Feb 13 18:25:16 we need to remember the proper cutsie names Feb 13 18:26:00 CPU Intel 80C85 @ 2.4 MHz Feb 13 18:27:53 vs Intel 80C52-BASIC 12MHz Feb 13 18:29:05 OH NOES!!! I can *still* buy an 80C52-BASIC.... Feb 13 18:29:53 note that only modern processors are throwaway designs ;) Feb 13 18:30:19 okay looks like I still have the code for it too... Feb 13 18:31:45 that and $33.95 and I can replicate this... Feb 13 18:31:57 mdp : did you publish your 6502 project somewhere besides in the slides? Feb 13 18:32:27 I haven't done a full project page still, no Feb 13 18:32:41 I do have the github page about the sw though Feb 13 18:32:53 mmmmmm...6502 Feb 13 18:33:38 I don't miss counting cycles Feb 13 18:33:47 oh wait...I still do..with PRU. Feb 13 18:34:38 mdp : I'll attend a retro computing thing on Friday, I want to show them the thing Feb 13 18:34:42 thing thing Feb 13 18:35:09 mdp, is that this next friday? Feb 13 18:35:14 I'm getting a wierd issue where if I do 10^8 Write/Read cycles (incrementing the value each time) on the GPMC the heartbeat stops beating... Feb 13 18:35:32 I have do a little elinux work, CareBear\, so I'll try to aggregate everything on a page there before friday Feb 13 18:35:36 ka6sox : isn't progress grand!? Feb 13 18:35:41 mdp : oh sweet Feb 13 18:35:42 working on slideware for this ELC now :-/ Feb 13 18:35:47 ack Feb 13 18:36:12 * ka6sox grumbles about back to back confs :P Feb 13 18:36:13 * mranostay whips mdp Feb 13 18:36:30 * mranostay whips panto Feb 13 18:37:44 * emeb puts mranostay's whip in a locked cabinet. Feb 13 18:39:14 * ka6sox looks @ the ELC schedule and grumbles he has to be in SOCAL friday :P Feb 13 18:43:18 * djlewis had to google how to shutdown/restart W8 :( Feb 13 18:44:02 a hammer will take care of shutdown. restart is a problem tho. Feb 13 18:45:11 that just makes your good HW pay for crappy SW Feb 13 18:45:59 customer brought in new w8 laptop pleading us to downgrade(?) to w7 Feb 13 18:46:29 Metro should only be a Subway Feb 13 18:46:30 lovely Feb 13 18:46:36 Can't chalk that one up under "Satisfied W8 user" Feb 13 18:58:14 looked like an android desktop Feb 13 18:59:49 ka6sox: damn you! Feb 13 19:00:01 ka6sox: now i'm reading wiki pages on space warfare! Feb 13 19:01:07 yes, filled with photon torpedos Feb 13 19:01:49 ka6sox: $1 bus? :P Feb 13 19:02:43 KotH, not my fault! I swear it! Feb 13 19:03:05 mranostay, not worth 2bits Feb 13 19:03:26 ka6sox: it is! Feb 13 19:03:33 * ka6sox thinks that mranostay won't know that...without looking it up on google. :P Feb 13 19:03:35 ka6sox: you set me up on those orbit wiki pages! Feb 13 19:04:51 koen: did you see my note about flex? Not sure why I have to set the M4 environment variable. Feb 13 19:09:04 koth fly to mars Feb 13 19:09:20 <_av500_> mmmmmars Feb 13 19:09:58 30 seconds to mars Feb 13 19:10:06 I should watch them life Feb 13 19:10:09 once Feb 13 19:10:12 ups live Feb 13 19:21:26 hm Feb 13 19:21:29 whats now Feb 13 19:28:34 prpplague: btw you have no idea how true your post is :) Feb 13 19:31:26 lol, a town in western australia fined the us gov for litering, after spacelab crashed there Feb 13 19:31:57 heh Feb 13 19:32:04 good luck collecting Feb 13 19:32:14 . NASA never paid the debt.[1] The fine was paid in April 2009, when radio show host Scott Barley of Highway Radio raised the funds from his morning show listeners and paid the fine on behalf of NASA.[2] Feb 13 19:32:28 I see you've moved from space warefare to space junk sites ;) Feb 13 19:33:02 * mranostay senses KotH will get no work done today Feb 13 19:33:20 mranostay: i'm glad that most of my day is already over :) Feb 13 19:34:25 your totally spaced out Feb 13 19:34:32 +! Feb 13 19:34:36 *you're Feb 13 19:34:50 * KotH was just about to point that mistake out Feb 13 19:35:16 mranostay but you are right koth did not finish something Feb 13 19:36:24 hmm.. there was a "verein für raumschiffahrt" prior to WWII in germany Feb 13 19:36:52 woglinde: you should recreate that assoc! Feb 13 19:38:05 KotH sure "reichsflug scheiben" Feb 13 19:38:12 everything in german sounds scary Feb 13 19:38:28 mranostay: no, some things sound just silly Feb 13 19:40:21 woglinde: ironsky! Feb 13 19:40:35 sounds like a russian name Feb 13 19:40:44 emeb? Feb 13 19:40:49 emeb? Feb 13 19:40:57 "Hi, let me introduce you to my friend Nikolai Ironsky" Feb 13 19:40:58 emeb: dont tell me you've not seen ironsky? Feb 13 19:41:12 koth I have not seen it too Feb 13 19:41:16 KotH: I know what Iron Sky is. Haven't seen it tho. Feb 13 19:41:26 woglinde: then go to the next dvd shop and buy it! Feb 13 19:41:30 no Feb 13 19:41:30 see it Feb 13 19:41:31 woglinde: watch it tonight! Feb 13 19:41:32 now Feb 13 19:41:33 no time Feb 13 19:41:36 yes Feb 13 19:41:36 no mood Feb 13 19:41:41 it's worth it! Feb 13 19:41:50 no mood for everything right now Feb 13 19:41:53 * mru should watch it again Feb 13 19:41:59 mru now Feb 13 19:42:00 it's a great documentary on the space program of your forefathers! Feb 13 19:42:03 I will watch it again too Feb 13 19:42:05 didn't catch all the side jokes first time Feb 13 19:42:24 mru: have you watched it at a cinema? Feb 13 19:42:27 * emeb likes buried references. Feb 13 19:42:32 KotH: only bluray Feb 13 19:42:38 mru: oh.. you should have Feb 13 19:42:47 I was away when it showed in the cinema here Feb 13 19:43:01 mru: there were always pockets of laughter when a group got a reference that noone else got Feb 13 19:43:03 Never came to theaters here AFAIK. Feb 13 19:43:35 mru: doh! bad luck Feb 13 19:43:50 well, the bluray is good quality Feb 13 19:44:10 and my neighbours are tolerant of noise Feb 13 19:44:15 pfft - blueray. that'll never catch on. Feb 13 19:44:26 emeb: there's small screenings... Feb 13 19:44:43 I missed the one in August Feb 13 19:45:21 koth but I saw sucker punch Feb 13 19:45:32 woglinde: also a good show Feb 13 19:48:43 woglinde: i've heard that movie is trippy Feb 13 19:49:58 mranostay hm yes it have at least 3 layers Feb 13 19:50:17 <_av500_> lawyers? Feb 13 19:50:18 and a lot homage to other movies Feb 13 19:51:03 and afterwards I wanted to learn more about lobotomy Feb 13 19:51:30 <_av500_> have one, its relaxing Feb 13 19:52:30 afterwards yes Feb 13 19:58:34 woglinde: so like Inception? Feb 13 20:01:15 <_av500_> interception Feb 13 20:03:15 mranostay hm did not watch inception Feb 13 20:03:27 back Feb 13 20:03:41 panto: hey slides dude Feb 13 20:03:51 * panto grumbles Feb 13 20:03:59 I still have tomorrow Feb 13 20:04:02 right prpplague? Feb 13 20:04:05 <_av500_> no Feb 13 20:04:10 <_av500_> now or you are out Feb 13 20:04:29 <_av500_> with bimonthly ELC, there are new rules now Feb 13 20:07:18 woglinde: google for "eispickellobotomie" :) Feb 13 20:11:03 even lobotomy is scarier in german Feb 13 20:11:29 ping again on Austin in early March. anyone gonna be there at SxSW? Feb 13 20:12:00 jkridner is so rorely :) Feb 13 20:12:52 hmm... rorely isn't in urban dictionary. :) Feb 13 20:14:03 ronery? Feb 13 20:16:24 so ronery Feb 13 20:16:57 mranostay marches to his own beat Feb 13 20:17:44 <_av500_> sound of drums? Feb 13 20:18:18 sound of other mranostays in his mind Feb 13 20:19:46 cute Feb 13 20:22:15 look at it from the bright side, you're never lonely Feb 13 20:22:36 or ronery either Feb 13 20:23:24 emeb, right, at least one of the mranostays is north-korean Feb 13 20:24:10 parallel mranostay's Feb 13 20:24:27 stunt doubles? Feb 13 20:24:44 thurbad, no, mranostay does all his one stunts Feb 13 20:25:55 troll doubles Feb 13 20:26:49 liver doubles more like :P Feb 13 20:27:52 they drink for you? Feb 13 20:28:13 presumably Feb 13 20:28:19 koth as I said I read about it Feb 13 20:28:44 http://img6.joyreactor.com/pics/post/auto-chelsea-perett-vegan-diet-344716.jpeg Feb 13 20:28:47 woglinde: so ka.. Feb 13 20:29:02 woglinde: you're a knowledgable man, my friendly troll Feb 13 20:38:33 panto: we always have tomorrow Feb 13 21:04:20 linaro is taking credit for mru Feb 13 21:04:45 <_av500_> ? Feb 13 21:04:46 what lies are they telling now? Feb 13 21:12:26 mranostay: you can upload your slide deck to http://elinux.org/ELC_2013_Presentations if you like Feb 13 21:12:34 mranostay: or link to the one from ELCE Feb 13 21:12:54 wmat: it is already up :) Feb 13 21:12:58 <_av500_> mranostay: ask for free pizza Feb 13 21:13:00 just not linked Feb 13 21:13:57 mranostay, bah, did you sit in the first row in class too? Feb 13 21:14:07 I'm just filling out the presentations page now Feb 13 21:14:45 mdp: i'm sure i'll get as carefree are you guys by my 5 or presenation Feb 13 21:14:50 <_av500_> mdp: give the kid some slack Feb 13 21:15:22 ah thanks _av500_ Feb 13 21:21:32 * mdp hobbles off on his cane Feb 13 22:15:21 <_av500_> hpdroid: http://readwrite.com/2013/02/13/hp-to-adopt-android-for-upcoming-mobile-devices Feb 13 22:18:32 *g* Feb 13 22:18:50 sir, can we port it to bone? Feb 13 22:20:53 who's next, nokia? :p Feb 13 22:22:33 <_av500_> shhh Feb 13 22:24:28 not with ellop Feb 13 22:25:56 a bold move choosing the upstart Android technology being pushed by a little known company. Feb 13 22:25:58 bold! Feb 13 22:26:24 money money Feb 13 22:26:39 follow it Feb 13 22:26:43 where? Feb 13 22:27:28 to the sores Feb 13 22:33:30 gn Feb 13 22:33:46 g'night Feb 13 22:59:28 I'm trying to build a custom cape, but I can't figure out how angstrom detects capes, and what it does with that information Feb 13 22:59:43 anyone have any search terms i could try. i can't seem to find anything Feb 13 23:02:26 noobihs_: it's the kernel in angstrom that does the detection Feb 13 23:02:40 noobihs_, check the kernel sources on github.com/beagleboard/kernel Feb 13 23:05:42 ahh. I suppose this means there's not some easy to use "if this id seen, then install this kernel module" system that doesn't require a kernel recompile. Feb 13 23:06:24 the 3.8 kernel allows that with dt overlays Feb 13 23:07:38 that's the type of keyword I was looking for. awesome, thanks! Feb 13 23:07:50 +! Feb 13 23:18:38 I think the only thing missing is a definition of putting the .dtbo in the EEPROM, but that should be easy enough as well. Feb 13 23:22:40 jkridner: in the EEPROM ?:) Feb 13 23:22:49 - /lib/firmware rather Feb 13 23:23:27 in the EEPROM. Hardware ships w/o software changes. not such a novel idea ya know Feb 13 23:24:57 Should be fairly easy to patch capemgr. Guess I should submit something. Feb 13 23:29:34 jkridner: well under there are changes that break you dtbo :) Feb 13 23:29:36 *your Feb 13 23:30:03 under there? Feb 13 23:30:40 *until Feb 13 23:30:47 jkridner: low on coffee and sleep Feb 13 23:30:56 It is fine if the software overrides the .dtbo within the EEPROM, but being able to send hardware that "just works" is critical to a good user experience. Feb 13 23:31:24 it doesn't "just work" if step #1 is to update your software image. Feb 13 23:31:52 bbiab (dinner time) Feb 13 23:34:00 dinner is for loosers Feb 13 23:34:39 prpplague: be nice to him he is from MI after all.. that is bad enough :P Feb 13 23:39:52 wmat: no elinux Harlam Shake? Feb 13 23:40:25 heh Feb 13 23:40:35 mranostay: depends on how many beer you buy me Feb 13 23:40:45 (and rum) Feb 13 23:46:28 jkridner: no need to update the complete image, just drop you dtbo into /lib/firmware Feb 13 23:51:15 prpplague: wmat: how much are we talking? :) Feb 13 23:51:22 joel_, nice slides, but they probably don't need to be "Maximum Restrictions" Feb 13 23:51:42 mranostay: psh, we are old drinkers, you'd go broke Feb 13 23:51:54 I was thinking of doing a harlem shake video Feb 13 23:52:07 it would start out with just me, then the bass would drop Feb 13 23:52:11 * prpplague points to +mr Feb 13 23:52:15 * prpplague points to mranostay Feb 13 23:52:15 and it would still be just me Feb 13 23:52:21 arg, g+ typo Feb 13 23:53:04 'Apparently it's "Bitchley".' Feb 13 23:53:34 Russ: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/B5mXW4wTFEw Feb 13 23:53:42 Russ: hehe Feb 14 00:07:50 can a beagleboard run all raspberry pi images? Feb 14 00:08:06 I assume not because of its use of a GPU Feb 14 00:10:29 oh boy Feb 14 00:11:36 oh mru !!! Feb 14 00:12:00 here we go! Feb 14 00:12:29 * prpplague looks to see what gadgets to order for prizes at elc Feb 14 00:15:14 mdp: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/xmega-xprotolab-p-1336.html?cPath=174 Feb 14 00:15:23 prpplague, bam! http://tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16160 Feb 14 00:15:52 Russ: brilliant! Feb 14 00:16:03 prpplague: yeah, I think saw coverage of that from makerfaire NYC .. cool Feb 14 00:16:33 or maybe http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/logic-shrimp-v1-logic-analyzer-p-803.html?cPath=174 Feb 14 00:17:06 or the granddaddy! Feb 14 00:17:33 mdp: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/digital-storage-oscilloscope-with-panels-p-514.html?cPath=174 Feb 14 00:17:35 prpplague, yes, give those out Feb 14 00:17:45 prpplague: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/open-workbench-logic-sniffer-p-612.html?cPath=174 Feb 14 00:17:52 (the first one, the DIP one) Feb 14 00:17:59 definitely the DIP one Feb 14 00:18:21 * prpplague makes notes Feb 14 00:18:40 and also some pandaboard resistors! Feb 14 00:18:43 a beaglebone bread board cape with breadboarding wires might also be nice Feb 14 00:18:45 authentic! Feb 14 00:19:18 +1 Russ's idea Feb 14 00:19:28 cheap sigrok hardware would also be a good thing Feb 14 00:20:00 Russ: i already have two Feb 14 00:20:12 so, on that front, any of those devices will work Feb 14 00:20:28 sigrok handles logic shrimp, bus pirate, or obls Feb 14 00:20:36 out of that crowd Feb 14 00:20:37 is that v3 ready yet? Feb 14 00:20:53 er, sorry v4 Feb 14 00:21:13 it's in permanent suspended animation Feb 14 00:21:20 :) Feb 14 00:21:23 i.e. nobody's worked on it for years Feb 14 00:21:30 stasis chamber has failed! Feb 14 00:22:03 Russ: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/wiichuck-a-wiinunchuck-break-out-board-p-586.html?cPath=175_177 Feb 14 00:22:24 in any case, it's not that open -- requires that microchip compiler Feb 14 00:25:15 i wonder if i can do spock with the enterprise crew do a harlem shake video using gimp Feb 14 00:26:43 mdp: oh oh oh, how about some omap1510 give aways? Feb 14 00:27:02 or maybe a bag of omap4430 chips Feb 14 00:29:28 hmm the "just ignore them and they will go away" advice seems to work Feb 14 00:31:42 Russ: ok i have an assorted bag of resistors and caps for the give away Feb 14 00:32:28 prpplague, after seeing the tiny scope, I looked up what I had when I was a kid Feb 14 00:32:30 https://apraxiablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/jqkpoz.jpg Feb 14 00:32:45 in today's dollars, the sale price of that when new is $70 Feb 14 00:32:53 oh i love that Feb 14 00:32:57 i had several Feb 14 00:33:06 * prpplague kept wearing out the springs Feb 14 00:33:42 Russ: that thing still available? Feb 14 00:33:50 i bought mine via radioshite Feb 14 00:33:53 not unless you count ebay and what not Feb 14 00:34:18 who the hell wants that when you can get a scope for $50 Feb 14 00:38:50 hehe Feb 14 00:39:17 i still wonder if the dip scope is as useful to sw developers as the fully assembled one Feb 14 00:41:19 dunno, really it'd be the sigrok stuff that'd be most useful to software developers I'd think Feb 14 00:41:39 true Feb 14 00:41:53 probably order a couple of the dip oscopes and a couple OLS Feb 14 00:41:53 if you have an automated test procedure that runs the pwm or something, it fits in Feb 14 00:42:09 if you are trying to debug a bus problem communication problem, it fits in Feb 14 00:42:35 Russ: understood Feb 14 00:42:58 hmm - http://www.businessinsider.com/test-driving-the-do-it-yourself-electroshock-therapy-kit-2010-11 Feb 14 00:43:24 that is more of a prize for the android builders summit Feb 14 00:43:32 whole lot of nope on that prize Feb 14 00:44:05 too bad there isn't time to get silkscreened lacie keys Feb 14 00:44:21 hehe Feb 14 00:44:40 Russ: we can put that on the todo list for ELCE Feb 14 00:44:43 I saw one of my friends had one that his dorm gave out for free Feb 14 00:48:32 http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/478/709/276/276709478_991.jpg Feb 14 00:49:57 what are those, just flash storage? Feb 14 00:51:49 lacie key, they are a nice solid metal usb key for keychains Feb 14 00:52:02 all the other ones I've had eventually break off the keychain Feb 14 00:52:36 prpplague, laser cut acrylic or printed 3d cases might also be a cheap giveaway item if you have someone who can do it Feb 14 00:54:37 holy crap, I just found out my dad had a heathkit Feb 14 00:56:59 hehe Feb 14 00:57:37 when he was 12, that's a very long time ago Feb 14 00:58:16 60's Feb 14 01:00:09 * prpplague places order for items Feb 14 01:01:09 * Russ keeps checking to see if advanced circuits has finished with CAM for me Feb 14 01:03:49 CAM? Feb 14 01:05:08 gerber review Feb 14 01:05:26 what are you doing? Feb 14 01:05:34 or you mean their freedfm stuff? Feb 14 01:06:09 mranostay: psst Feb 14 01:06:11 mranostay: hey Feb 14 01:06:32 mranostay: you software installation and upgrade skills are no longer a worth skill - http://career-services.monster.com/yahooarticle/4-job-skills-that-no-longer-impress-recruiters#WT.mc_n=yta_fpt_article_4_job_skills_that_no_longer_impress_recruiters Feb 14 01:06:51 no, their freedfm stuff doesn't let you choose design rules, so it only works for standard orders Feb 14 01:08:22 Russ: new boards? Feb 14 01:08:31 4 week turn Feb 14 01:08:36 ahh Feb 14 01:08:48 Russ: you tried diptrace yet? Feb 14 01:08:52 nope Feb 14 01:10:58 stuck in my geda ways Feb 14 01:11:54 Russ: hehe Feb 14 01:12:16 Russ: i have been trying for ages to switch to kicad instead of orcad+pads Feb 14 01:12:35 Russ: but i can get things done so quickly with orcad+pads it is a hard thing to switch Feb 14 01:14:13 did some process testing http://www.flickr.com/photos/russdill/sets/72157632681874683/ Feb 14 01:14:19 turns out I need to work on voiding Feb 14 01:14:44 *cough* Feb 14 01:15:00 http://www.flickr.com/photos/russdill/8463910558/in/set-72157632681874683 Feb 14 01:15:08 * prpplague only has a problem with voiding after too much curry Feb 14 01:15:41 Russ: what did you use for the image capture? Feb 14 01:16:04 azonenberg did the really good captures, I did the crummy ones Feb 14 01:17:13 http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-07-21T17:00:00-04:00&max-results=7 Feb 14 01:17:27 er, that doesn't work Feb 14 01:17:36 http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2012/07/lab-tour-part-1-metrology-bench.html Feb 14 01:17:38 there we go Feb 14 01:22:43 nice Feb 14 01:25:21 Russ: what are you using to do the bga package? Feb 14 01:25:47 onfi NAND flash, ddr2, and an fpga Feb 14 01:26:00 er, that isn't quite what you are asking Feb 14 01:26:40 I use a stencil and paste to prep the board, a vacuum system to place, and a pid controlled toaster to reflow Feb 14 01:28:42 Russ: ahh Feb 14 01:32:10 prpplague: shucks need to drop that off the resume then Feb 14 01:44:29 prpplague, I have a new Job for you... Feb 14 01:44:36 Career Counsellor Feb 14 01:44:42 hehe Feb 14 01:48:06 wouldn't recruiter be more accurate? ;) Feb 14 01:54:25 hello, i'm having some trouble with opkg on my new BeagleBone. could someone help me? Feb 14 02:03:33 alan_o: https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/hLfuGQfhV6w Feb 14 02:03:55 woot Feb 14 02:04:02 alan_o: did you figure out the DT magic for it yet? Feb 14 02:04:06 yeah Feb 14 02:04:09 let me send Feb 14 02:08:31 koen-: http://dpaste.org/JfcBf/ Feb 14 02:09:36 argh Feb 14 02:09:39 dpaste wrapped it Feb 14 02:09:48 hastebin.com :) Feb 14 02:10:08 ah crap, I deleted it right when I saw the "wordwrap" checkbox Feb 14 02:10:09 stand by Feb 14 02:10:49 http://dpaste.org/N6yke/ Feb 14 02:10:58 just uncheck the "wordwrap" checkbox at the top Feb 14 02:11:37 or use hastebin: http://hastebin.com/xapunotiqu.xml :) Feb 14 02:12:18 thanks! Feb 14 02:12:20 see the comment in pinctl for how to wire it. That's the wiring for the cape design we sent you. Feb 14 02:12:27 oh Feb 14 02:13:06 also had to put in bone-common the thing to load it (since I don't have an eeprom in my dev unit) Feb 14 02:13:27 you can use kernel cmdline and/or echo something > sysfs to load it Feb 14 02:13:47 yeah, but I thought I had to put something in the bone dts too Feb 14 02:14:00 I gues I forgot. I have a script I use to load it Feb 14 02:14:43 echo BB-BONE-MRF24J40 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr.7/slots Feb 14 02:16:17 oh and by the way..... Feb 14 02:16:24 I found a bug in my driver Feb 14 02:16:33 it was loading the long ieee address backwards Feb 14 02:16:53 but I had promisc on (from testing something else), so I didn't notice it. Will send patch Feb 14 02:17:07 (embarrassing) Feb 14 02:18:36 Also, beware of the metal on your perf board touching the vias/testpoints on the mrf24j40 module. Feb 14 02:18:53 There's a note in the module datasheet about a "keep out" zone Feb 14 02:18:58 hmm Feb 14 02:19:04 good thing I have 5 :) Feb 14 02:19:08 hehe Feb 14 02:19:15 I've only destroyed one so far Feb 14 02:19:20 * alan_o crosses fingers Feb 14 02:25:39 hmmmm 30 'oops' wires and counting Feb 14 02:42:52 koen-, you still around? Feb 14 02:44:59 I remember when Motorola had MRF numbers *sniff* Feb 14 02:46:00 mranostay: psst Feb 14 02:46:18 mranostay: wasted 20 minutes hacking around Feb 14 02:46:30 * ka6sox feels another cluebat application coming... Feb 14 02:46:34 mranostay: http://youtu.be/w175lRCEQD0 (be sure to check out the middle section) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 14 02:59:59 2013