**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 27 02:59:58 2013 Feb 27 03:05:00 damn snow Feb 27 03:05:38 * wmat kind of likes it in a way Feb 27 03:10:19 wmat, Snow Days? Feb 27 03:13:56 ka6sox: that's when it snows so much the busses can't drive on the roads, so they have to close the schools Feb 27 03:14:25 ka6sox: it's actually really rare where I live now Feb 27 03:14:32 ah, is 10CM enough? Feb 27 03:14:59 probably not Feb 27 03:15:24 they've upped the possible accumulation to 30cm now Feb 27 03:15:26 when we get 10CM of rain here...we have a "Rain Day" Feb 27 03:15:46 Hi All Feb 27 03:15:56 ka6sox: rain day? wtf? Feb 27 03:16:01 all was here about half an hour ago. Feb 27 03:16:09 you'll just need to put up with the rest of us Feb 27 03:16:18 cool thanks Feb 27 03:16:19 ka6sox: i suppose 10cm of rain would be a flood though ;) Feb 27 03:16:35 opps no rain for us :) Feb 27 03:16:35 10cm in a day is a lot of wet Feb 27 03:16:44 ya of course Feb 27 03:16:57 wmat, pretty much...thats why we declare it a "rain day" of course that only happens every 10yrs or sol. Feb 27 03:17:07 ah Feb 27 03:17:10 I'm a begginer and i want to know how to boot beagle board Feb 27 03:17:21 we had 70mm in 24 hours a few weeks ago Feb 27 03:17:36 Rohith: unpack the box it came in Feb 27 03:17:46 ya i did it Feb 27 03:17:52 Rohith: plug the power in Feb 27 03:17:52 Rohith: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners Feb 27 03:18:02 do the leds flash? Feb 27 03:18:03 * ka6sox was just looking for that page :D Feb 27 03:18:22 Rohith, what wmat says... Feb 27 03:18:29 * mranostay opens a Newcastle Feb 27 03:18:29 ya it flash Feb 27 03:18:31 if they are flashing.. Feb 27 03:18:38 mmm beer Feb 27 03:18:39 COOL! youve booted Feb 27 03:18:49 your a winner! Feb 27 03:18:51 but when i connect to my laptop in putty/console i'm not seing anythig Feb 27 03:18:58 its just a blank console Feb 27 03:18:59 well, thats not what you asked Feb 27 03:19:02 what does it mean if they are glowing Orange? Feb 27 03:19:02 mrpackethead: can I see your ID? Feb 27 03:19:35 its glowing green Feb 27 03:19:41 s/ mrpackethead / mranostay Feb 27 03:20:02 wmat: here is my id.. !#!....9991 Feb 27 03:20:19 wmat: cute like i don't get that one Feb 27 03:20:30 mranostay: i wish i did Feb 27 03:20:39 yeah, been a while for me too Feb 27 03:21:01 more like mranostay shoud'nt you be in bed by now Feb 27 03:21:12 mrpackethead: 7:30p? Feb 27 03:22:12 * mranostay wonders if he was the youngest speaker at ELC Feb 27 03:22:24 mranostay, probably Feb 27 03:22:39 mranostay: wasn't Ezequiel younger than you? Feb 27 03:22:42 common help me also Feb 27 03:22:59 how to flash the board Feb 27 03:23:23 Rohith: do you need exact steps? Feb 27 03:23:51 yes Feb 27 03:24:03 please that will be gr8 Feb 27 03:25:20 mranostay: is'nt 7:30pm lights out at the old folks home? Feb 27 03:25:38 Rohith: so how many elinux.org BeagleBoard pages have you read? Feb 27 03:26:26 10 -15 Feb 27 03:26:32 but i falled to do so Feb 27 03:26:54 i formaed the card as they have mentioned and i loaded 4 files to card Feb 27 03:27:16 then also no use console is empty Feb 27 03:29:22 * wmat parents Feb 27 03:30:08 ?????? Feb 27 03:33:17 uh, I had to go check on my kid Feb 27 03:34:10 Rohith: so what are you trying to do and what board do you have exactly? Feb 27 03:34:45 i Hve beagleboard Feb 27 03:35:03 yes, we all do, but what version? Feb 27 03:35:12 i want to use this bord for my matlab project Feb 27 03:35:41 so you want homework help? Feb 27 03:35:51 how can i find the version? Feb 27 03:36:08 B7 Feb 27 03:36:14 is this right? Feb 27 03:36:54 yes your right its not my home work its my projet work Feb 27 03:36:55 :) Feb 27 03:37:17 yes, B7 is right Feb 27 03:38:09 * wmat feels like he's being secretly trolled :/ Feb 27 03:38:24 but I'll play along Feb 27 03:38:30 what are you trying to do? Feb 27 03:38:30 wmat: at least we troll you openly Feb 27 03:39:06 wmat: what next? Feb 27 03:39:11 mranostay: much appreciated Feb 27 03:39:39 Rohith, what TZ are you in? Feb 27 03:39:48 Rohith: what are you trying to do? Feb 27 03:39:54 IST Feb 27 03:39:56 twice, even Feb 27 03:40:26 first i wann boot the borad properly Feb 27 03:41:05 if i suceed in that than i can put my image processing binaries on that Feb 27 03:42:28 Rohith: what do you mean by "boot the board properly"? Feb 27 03:43:04 * ka6sox gets popcorn Feb 27 03:43:26 i mean when i connect the board to my laptop i'm not seeing anything in console Feb 27 03:43:32 console is completely blank Feb 27 03:43:56 is your host windows or linux? Feb 27 03:44:19 windows Feb 27 03:44:27 ugh Feb 27 03:45:21 ?? Feb 27 03:45:44 Rohith: https://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnostics Feb 27 03:46:01 Rohith: that's the best I can do, good luck Feb 27 03:48:25 Rohith: have you really had a B7 this long and never booted it? Feb 27 03:50:06 hehe Feb 27 03:50:37 ya i got it 5 days back Feb 27 03:51:03 wmat: thanks i vl go through this doc Feb 27 03:54:29 does angstrom pick up an ip address via dhcp by default.. I've never tryed.. Feb 27 03:54:45 heh Feb 27 03:54:47 Rohith: if it does, you can connect to it via the network. Feb 27 03:54:56 well that would dhcp and yeah Feb 27 03:55:19 Rohith: do you have access to your dhcp service? Feb 27 03:55:31 plug it, find out what its ip address is Feb 27 03:55:36 and boom, your away Feb 27 03:56:57 dhcp? Feb 27 04:02:34 * wmat thinks Rohith == mranostay trolling Feb 27 04:03:15 Russ: what air solder station do you have ? Feb 27 04:05:19 mranostay: Hakko FR-801 Feb 27 04:05:39 may be coz as i told you i'm new to this Feb 27 04:05:45 you guys have ex+ Feb 27 04:06:00 Hakko rocks Feb 27 04:06:02 perience you can felll silly abouth my question Feb 27 04:06:09 but i wont fell bad Feb 27 04:07:05 dhcp.. its how device on a network get an IP address Feb 27 04:07:11 you know what an IP address is? Feb 27 04:07:27 wmat: something less expensive :) Feb 27 04:07:37 ya i know that Feb 27 04:07:56 mranostay: what you planning on use it for? Feb 27 04:07:58 in beging everything is expensive :) Feb 27 04:08:13 once we get hold on it then its not :) Feb 27 04:08:52 for my project work Feb 27 04:09:09 need to use this for image processing Feb 27 04:09:16 right.. Feb 27 04:09:29 mmm Feb 27 04:09:34 Rohith: how is it you know what image processing is, but don't know what dhcp is? Feb 27 04:09:37 mrpackethead: desoldering the odd part Feb 27 04:09:50 i bought a CSI one a while ago Feb 27 04:10:13 mranostay: you get what you pay for, so don't cheap out Feb 27 04:10:58 http://www.circuitspecialists.com/hot-air-station Feb 27 04:11:06 mranostay: eevblog has good reviews Feb 27 04:12:47 oh well, Rohith left Feb 27 04:14:06 * wmat thought he was being quite patient Feb 27 04:14:25 and I'm almost never vocal in here Feb 27 04:14:42 the snow storm has me all worked up ;) Feb 27 04:18:02 wmat: anyone not crappy under $200 Feb 27 04:18:07 *anything Feb 27 04:19:19 mranostay: no idea, sorry. I'd like to know the answer to that as well. Feb 27 04:20:35 guess i need a vacuum one as well Feb 27 04:30:13 koenkooi: ping! Feb 27 04:30:44 http://www.circuitspecialists.com/csi825-deluxe.html < -- thats what i've got Feb 27 04:30:50 but i think we paid a bit less that that for Feb 27 04:33:00 √http://www.circuitspecialists.com/csi825a.html --- same thign, just not bundled with nozzles Feb 27 04:33:07 just $109!! Feb 27 04:33:17 seems to do the job Feb 27 06:00:48 gm Feb 27 06:01:14 . Feb 27 06:04:18 , Feb 27 06:25:37 mranostay, the cheapest one money can buy Feb 27 06:26:24 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-858D-Digital-Hot-Air-Gun-Rework-SMD-Soldering-Repair-Station-with-3-Nozzles-/221170695073?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:3160 Feb 27 06:26:49 I like how in the ebay picture, they don't know which end of the hot air gun to grab Feb 27 06:27:40 now thats scary Feb 27 06:27:57 burn a hole in the table why don't you Feb 27 06:28:27 I have one and love it..but its dangerous Feb 27 06:28:37 haven't hurt myself yet Feb 27 06:28:43 I redid 6 tqfps Feb 27 06:28:50 6 big through hole connectors Feb 27 06:28:59 hey Rus Feb 27 06:29:03 hey panto Feb 27 06:29:03 *Russ even Feb 27 06:29:12 back home I assume? Feb 27 06:29:24 Russ: pretty sure i don't want that blowing at me :) Feb 27 06:29:37 yes, and almost there timezone wise Feb 27 06:29:50 panto: you big baby :) Feb 27 06:29:57 no, that would very bad Feb 27 06:30:23 hey, waking up at 5am is OK in my book Feb 27 06:30:47 although I must have slept a total of 12-14h yesterday Feb 27 06:30:55 i'm sure explaining to my apartment complex why i charred the faux granite kitchen counter would be bad Feb 27 06:31:22 panto: your wife should be used to nerd hours Feb 27 06:31:33 oh, and drop in the conversation that you're building 'radiation measurement devices' Feb 27 06:31:42 'uranium ore' would be nice too Feb 27 06:32:25 mranostay, it's like looking into the eye of sauron Feb 27 06:33:06 really hot, bright red filament, and the wavy heat distortion Feb 27 06:33:40 do they still have tritium painted numbers on watches? Feb 27 06:33:51 ka6sox, I doubt it Feb 27 06:38:51 Russ: i was thinking cheap is okay for my purposes Feb 27 06:41:33 ya, I haven't had any problems Feb 27 06:41:51 only limitation would be the side of the component you can remove Feb 27 06:41:57 maybe if you got different nozzles... Feb 27 07:30:53 crap i can't find the bone er white with jtag mods Feb 27 07:31:12 ? Feb 27 07:34:07 Russ: have a bone with CTI mods for testing Feb 27 07:38:40 ah moved that to my nixie clock Feb 27 07:46:10 y u no use ftdi? Feb 27 07:47:11 no Feb 27 08:02:58 reliability? Feb 27 08:03:05 occasional board reset on attach? Feb 27 08:07:41 never had an issue real JTAG Feb 27 08:08:11 however this bbb no responsing to jtag is disturbing Feb 27 08:08:21 since it was working two days ago Feb 27 08:12:10 don't use bbb Feb 27 08:12:17 it can mean beagle bone board, or the other thing Feb 27 08:13:59 gm all Feb 27 08:13:59 other thing :P Feb 27 08:14:27 just wanted to test the pru on it Feb 27 08:14:54 jkridner___: you ever sleep? Feb 27 08:14:56 on the other thing? Feb 27 08:15:16 just woke up a few minutes ago. Feb 27 08:16:34 yeah my bdi stopped working with it. aka halting the board Feb 27 08:17:04 hmmm, because on my board both the pru and the sgx are disabled afaik Feb 27 08:17:06 jkridner___: pull down the gpio manually? :P Feb 27 08:17:15 Russ: rev A1 Feb 27 08:17:23 not A4 Feb 27 08:17:25 check with jkridner___ Feb 27 08:17:54 problem is this damn thing has never booted :) Feb 27 08:18:08 CCC? Feb 27 08:18:14 need to pickup a FTDI cable Feb 27 08:18:18 I shouldn't have removed the uSD card that had the code I was running on it. :( Feb 27 08:18:29 heck if I know where to find it again Feb 27 08:18:41 heh Feb 27 08:18:56 I think I never programmed the EEPROM... Feb 27 08:19:13 well my u-boot was hacked :) Feb 27 08:19:15 so, you need to hard-code the board type in SPL. Feb 27 08:19:25 k. Feb 27 08:19:28 need to hack a max232 breadboard this weekend Feb 27 08:19:35 in the SPL too? Feb 27 08:19:58 yeah, the SPL configures the DDR Feb 27 08:20:09 otherwise, u-boot has nothing to load into. Feb 27 08:20:10 other than the is_bonelt whatever function? Feb 27 08:20:42 gosh, that was a couple months ago. Feb 27 08:21:03 <_av500_> mbed all the things? Feb 27 08:23:06 jkridner___: spl is generated from the same code, roughly? :) Feb 27 08:23:16 <_av500_> yes Feb 27 08:23:20 <_av500_> spl is cut down uboot Feb 27 08:23:46 <_av500_> its "we have no idea what all the other uboot code is needed for" Feb 27 08:23:53 iirc the bdi won't 'catch' if 100 if no instructions are ran with my current config Feb 27 08:24:31 *so Feb 27 08:26:31 wish I could find my hack, but it was only 1 or 2 places where board detection was done to determine the memory configuration---I hardcoded the result. Feb 27 08:26:43 can't seem to find the tree I did it on. Feb 27 08:27:07 * mranostay curses jkridner___ and sleeps :) Feb 27 08:38:44 hi jkridner___ Feb 27 08:38:53 howdy panto Feb 27 08:39:30 fixing the overlay unload bug Feb 27 08:40:01 <_av500_> make it a feature#1 Feb 27 08:40:03 <_av500_> ! Feb 27 08:41:03 jkridner___: find those changes! Feb 27 08:41:10 * mranostay sleeps for real Feb 27 08:44:29 * _av500_ sleeps for int Feb 27 08:44:35 gm Feb 27 08:44:41 <_av500_> gm Feb 27 08:44:58 * ogra_ just slept for long Feb 27 08:44:59 morn' Feb 27 08:45:27 jo panto Feb 27 08:45:29 <_av500_> ogra_: I need to sleep for long long Feb 27 08:45:38 av500 do it Feb 27 08:45:50 _av500_, are you Chtulu? Feb 27 08:45:51 <_av500_> woglinde: I have only int8_t ... Feb 27 08:45:54 heh Feb 27 08:46:16 only 2 days Feb 27 08:46:22 than its friday Feb 27 08:46:53 <_av500_> weekends is when I got no sleep at all Feb 27 08:46:56 <_av500_> get* Feb 27 08:48:03 av500 uh why? Feb 27 08:50:13 <_av500_> damn, my awesome android watch does not like my home wifi :( Feb 27 08:51:34 _av500_, you home wifi is not worthy of such an honor Feb 27 08:53:21 hahaha Feb 27 08:53:47 av500 which wifi chipset? Feb 27 08:54:22 <_av500_> no idea Feb 27 08:54:27 lol Feb 27 08:55:53 than I can not help you Feb 27 09:29:07 jkridner___, here? Feb 27 09:29:11 yup Feb 27 09:29:25 overlay revert fixed Feb 27 09:29:35 pushing to my tree in 5 mins Feb 27 09:29:50 with that pinctrl-helper works as expected Feb 27 09:30:05 thanks!!! Feb 27 09:30:20 just so you don't think I'm avoiding you :P Feb 27 09:31:00 morning all Feb 27 09:34:56 hi jackmitchell Feb 27 09:35:26 jkridner___, my tree, not-capebus-v22 Feb 27 09:35:39 thanks! Feb 27 09:40:50 morning Feb 27 09:41:02 g'day panto Feb 27 09:55:28 afk for a while Feb 27 09:56:05 gm Feb 27 09:56:25 h&m Feb 27 10:08:44 grüezi Feb 27 10:08:49 time to start the hard work.... Feb 27 10:09:19 lol Feb 27 10:09:34 sleeping until lanunch Feb 27 10:09:41 woglinde: 09:31 <+_av500_> wbs: hanging out in the right irc channels is hard work Feb 27 10:09:44 and than talking about work Feb 27 10:09:45 ;) Feb 27 10:09:56 i wasnt sleeping Feb 27 10:10:02 koth yes I know av500 is your idol Feb 27 10:10:12 av500 is everyones idol :) Feb 27 10:10:25 woglinde: i've already been in two lectures Feb 27 10:10:42 what was it? Feb 27 10:11:42 organic chemistry and development psychology Feb 27 10:13:13 why you have chemistry? Feb 27 10:13:55 * woglinde wonders at all what koth wants to be Feb 27 10:13:58 freud? Feb 27 10:14:35 because as a psychology major, i need to have a minor... and chemistry sounded like fun Feb 27 10:14:52 you should have choosen cs Feb 27 10:14:56 bio cs Feb 27 10:14:57 haha Feb 27 10:18:09 most of cs is just using mathematical formulas and compiling them into some algorithm... not very interesting Feb 27 10:18:55 unless you go into theoretical cs, which is then actually applied math Feb 27 10:21:44 you forgot the most serious Feb 27 10:21:52 software engeneering Feb 27 10:23:19 which i dont regard as a science at all, but as a craft Feb 27 10:24:53 or an art Feb 27 10:24:58 (sometimes) Feb 27 10:25:11 art and craft are often very close Feb 27 10:27:17 koth there is sciece about it Feb 27 10:27:25 programming is art Feb 27 10:28:32 hm sailfish as expected uses a lot of qtquick Feb 27 10:28:43 so we have some new player this year Feb 27 10:28:52 bb10 firefox os sailfish Feb 27 10:28:56 woglinde: to put it in the words of rutherford: all science is either physics or stamp collecting ;) Feb 27 10:29:15 * woglinde wonders how old koth is Feb 27 10:29:23 woglinde: guess :) Feb 27 10:29:41 woglinde: but why do you wonder? Feb 27 10:30:11 because why yo still study Feb 27 10:30:17 or is it your 4th? Feb 27 10:30:27 because i can Feb 27 10:30:33 nah, just my second Feb 27 11:13:10 action Feb 27 11:14:21 cut! Feb 27 11:19:05 stop! stop! stop! Feb 27 11:19:10 you have to put more feeling into it! Feb 27 11:20:51 I cannot work like this! Feb 27 11:21:11 everybody out, just you and the cameraguy Feb 27 11:27:06 av500, sit back, calm down and get some typing done https://plus.google.com/104974537423173609002/posts/d4bQ6XzxE9k Feb 27 11:27:38 a Feb 27 11:28:41 tsk tsk Feb 27 11:28:49 mranostay: creeper card him! Feb 27 11:30:10 wierd: the guy is japanese... but all comments are in chinese Feb 27 11:33:50 t takes touch interfaces to a totally new level Feb 27 11:34:08 perfect tactile feedback! Feb 27 11:35:40 that's not the Model M feeling I am used to Feb 27 11:37:25 wuahha look at the foto its not html5 Feb 27 11:37:28 http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/technik/mechanik-physiker-finden-formel-fuer-perfektes-uhrwerk-a-885493.html Feb 27 11:40:22 Speigel is the new Bild Feb 27 11:40:34 what is bild then ? Feb 27 11:40:57 the new super illu ? Feb 27 12:25:48 KotH: http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/mehrere-tote-bei-schiesserei-in-schweizer-betrieb-a-885856.html Feb 27 12:26:06 "Der Vorfall soll sich in der Frühstückspause ereignet haben." Feb 27 12:26:24 it was an assault breakfast! Feb 27 12:26:26 lol Feb 27 12:28:00 I bet it is a computer science people again Feb 27 12:28:17 at least somebody with a facebook account Feb 27 12:28:28 and I bet he has minesweeper on his computer Feb 27 12:28:39 we know what needs to be banned... Feb 27 12:41:34 Hi all Feb 27 12:49:45 av500: you fail :) Feb 27 12:49:56 mru: pah Feb 27 12:50:10 hrhrhr Feb 27 12:50:59 mru: its the same chip, no? Feb 27 12:51:25 I'd assume as much Feb 27 12:51:46 I'm merely reading a sticker on the board Feb 27 12:51:57 carefully hidden in the photo Feb 27 12:52:00 whats the addon board? Feb 27 12:52:07 jtag Feb 27 12:52:20 thats jtag? Feb 27 12:52:23 wow Feb 27 12:52:23 xds550v2 Feb 27 12:53:40 made from a dm6441 and an fpga Feb 27 12:54:06 yeah Feb 27 12:54:14 gotta use up all the 6441s.... Feb 27 12:54:24 seems like they use whatever chips they have surplus of Feb 27 12:54:37 I have another board with a weird dsp chip for jtag Feb 27 12:54:42 yeah Feb 27 12:54:54 that dsp starter kit Feb 27 12:55:13 no, some obscure evm they've since forgotten they ever made Feb 27 12:55:19 omap-l137 Feb 27 12:56:48 av500: must have been a foreigner Feb 27 12:56:56 av500: swiss dont go with pistols to a shooting Feb 27 12:57:00 ;) Feb 27 12:57:25 I guess he ate rotten müesli Feb 27 13:11:39 or mistook ovo for hot chocolate Feb 27 13:16:34 +1 Feb 27 13:17:36 well, according to the ads in germany ovo makes you last longer ... doesnt look like he lasted very long Feb 27 13:25:10 ogra_: in a country, where everyone and his dog has a military issue assualt riffle... what did you expect? him shooting for hours on end without anyone intervening like in the US? Feb 27 13:25:14 ;) Feb 27 13:25:44 heh, so it was more like an ovo induced civil war you mean ? Feb 27 13:26:41 nah.. just an fist fight between adults Feb 27 13:28:43 oh, aholler jumped into the dick-sucking thread on lkml Feb 27 13:29:30 dick sucking? Feb 27 13:29:51 * KotH wonders what else he missed in the last couple of days? Feb 27 13:30:01 KotH: linus' description of using microsoft-signed boot loaders Feb 27 13:30:10 oh..fun Feb 27 13:30:18 as usual, linus is right Feb 27 13:30:53 indeed Feb 27 13:32:25 what's the subject of the thread? Feb 27 13:32:42 Dick-sucking, mostly at this point. Feb 27 13:33:07 ^^' Feb 27 13:33:08 I can see why redhat and such like it Feb 27 13:33:29 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1445369/focus%3D1445405 Feb 27 13:33:30 it lets them make it hard to use a non-distro kernel Feb 27 13:33:39 av500: thanks Feb 27 13:33:41 mru: yes Feb 27 13:33:48 mru: and it makes it hard to apply a quick fix Feb 27 13:33:50 agmlego: +1 Feb 27 13:33:58 its a call to your redhat support contact Feb 27 13:41:17 eh.. the "discussion" is cool Feb 27 13:42:53 av500, it's a solution the old problem of how to support linux customers that don't tell you what they're really running. maybe they can lock down userspace too Feb 27 13:42:55 hmmm, boardzoo.com is down Feb 27 13:44:09 mdp: why is that a problem? Feb 27 13:44:25 mdp: "you dont tell us what you are running, we cannot help you" Feb 27 13:44:52 mdp: they will lock it down too, beacuse "M$ said so" Feb 27 13:45:08 KotH: "we only support windows and mac. are you running windows or mac?" Feb 27 13:45:14 if secure boot was such a hot topic, why have they not rallied for it 10ys ago? Feb 27 13:45:27 by now, every BIOS would have the Linux key.... Feb 27 13:46:18 KotH: it's actually a real problem for customer support everywhere. I know as far back as mvista it was hard to wrench out of a customer that they totally hacked an EVM BSP, didn't know what they were doing...and blew up the memory manager in spectacular ways. Feb 27 13:46:28 and would claim that it's unchanged from the original Feb 27 13:46:37 mru: that's why i dont call any 0815 consumer tech support Feb 27 13:46:55 mdp: yes, we all know that problem Feb 27 13:46:58 that's not to say I endorse in anyway what's being discussed in that thread Feb 27 13:47:16 mru, I think it hits pretty much every aspect of commercial support of FOSS Feb 27 13:47:17 mru: in the comercial busines, you can tell people you are running linux. and then they will assume that you actually know how to run a computer... Feb 27 13:47:35 mdp: any support at all, actually Feb 27 13:47:51 mdp: that's usually the prob with people who have no clue what they are doing Feb 27 13:47:59 like all the people? Feb 27 13:48:00 mdp: or dont want their problem get solved Feb 27 13:48:02 KotH: yes, I've run into the odd support person who understood that Feb 27 13:48:09 true, I seem to remember catching morons screwing up our vxworks bsps back in the day too. Feb 27 13:48:26 screww all the BSPs... Feb 27 13:48:41 mdp: well, you should have delivered it as binaries..... Feb 27 13:48:48 mru: with me this is the rule, rather than the exception Feb 27 13:48:54 av500: yes, let's all use tizen Feb 27 13:49:05 mru: but then, i usually dont deal with the "normal" tech support Feb 27 13:49:09 KotH: they want support, but they only want you to answer the question they think they need answered..not the real question..so they get pissed when you ask for something different...consulting can be like that too ;) Feb 27 13:49:11 * av500 is betting on GentooPhoneOS Feb 27 13:49:25 mdp: i know.. we have customers like those Feb 27 13:49:30 av500: +1 binaries FTW Feb 27 13:49:38 mdp: that's when we jump into the car and drive to them, to see what they are really doing Feb 27 13:49:44 KotH: we have "customers" on this channel just like that even. Feb 27 13:49:47 mdp: can be quite some fun some times Feb 27 13:49:48 nothing ever changes Feb 27 13:49:53 mdp: poor boy Feb 27 13:50:13 we can ignore the ones on this channel though ;) Feb 27 13:50:43 mdp: yeah :) Feb 27 13:50:51 * av500 demands mdp to show him the "anikey" NOW! Feb 27 13:51:04 mdp: we (the company i work for) tend to ignore customers who "dont get it".. they cost us more than we can afford Feb 27 13:51:19 its expensive to buy cheap customers :) Feb 27 13:51:20 mdp: either you help us helping you, or we dont help you Feb 27 13:51:55 mdp: and interestingly, most of our customers understand, that we need some information from them to be able to help them Feb 27 13:52:14 KotH: there have been times, in a past role, where when working on T&M we tried to get them to understand the right way, then gave up and just took their money to do it their way. Cost them at least double the right way. Feb 27 13:52:48 KotH: reputation is everything..at least had it documented that we begged to save them money/time. Feb 27 13:53:01 juup, learned that as well :) Feb 27 13:53:02 KotH: you are lucky ;) Feb 27 13:53:09 * KotH knows Feb 27 13:53:53 mdp: dont worry, i've seen other kind of customers as well :) Feb 27 13:54:07 * KotH had nice experiences distributing watches in london Feb 27 13:54:09 I'm in a bind today as an "internal customer" has been passed to me as "the EDMA guy"..with some esoteric issue on a 3.2 kernel...completely unrelated and broken stuff compared to what I worked on Feb 27 13:55:03 now need to give some clues where to look and diplomatically disengage Feb 27 13:55:10 mdp: i guess, telling them you are the wrong person to ask doesnt work? Feb 27 13:55:39 once you are placed in a bucket here, you are stuck ;) Feb 27 13:56:05 oh.. i know that feeling Feb 27 13:56:24 * KotH has become the local guy with knows all that strange and esoteric stuff nobody has ever heard off Feb 27 13:57:01 a couple of days ago, i was asked how one could measure the electric currents flowing between neurons ^^' Feb 27 13:57:03 I just get stuff passed from my old pre-OMAPageddon group Feb 27 13:57:17 heh! Feb 27 13:59:03 i think the internet is bad for me... Feb 27 13:59:24 yes quit it Feb 27 13:59:32 time to opt out Feb 27 13:59:48 i just read in a msp430 manual "use of the word count" as "use of the word cunt" and was wondering why ti would use sexual references in their manuals Feb 27 13:59:48 delete it Feb 27 14:00:12 * KotH deletes av500 Feb 27 14:00:18 noooooooooooooooo Feb 27 14:00:20 * av500 has a backup Feb 27 14:00:31 creeper cards Feb 27 14:00:32 * mdp deletes spruh73c.pdf Feb 27 14:00:37 * _av500_ slaps KotH Feb 27 14:00:52 mdp: no such file or drectory Feb 27 14:00:53 will we have to design memes on poster board now? Feb 27 14:01:03 mdp: slau727b Feb 27 14:01:09 er.. Feb 27 14:01:12 slau272b Feb 27 14:01:40 we should have a pdf burning Feb 27 14:01:56 a public and ceremonial one! Feb 27 14:02:52 probably pick Montag as the day, of course Feb 27 14:03:14 mranostay: pong Feb 27 14:03:51 mdp: then it has to be in the afternoon, as i have lectures in the morning Feb 27 14:04:22 priorities...pdf burning is for the greater good Feb 27 14:04:52 i dont care about the greater good, i have exams! Feb 27 14:05:45 so you care about the greater evil Feb 27 14:06:10 koenkooi: ^^^ "Am I Evil?" Feb 27 14:06:40 yes I am! Feb 27 14:06:44 +1 Feb 27 14:06:47 actually Feb 27 14:06:51 I am hungry Feb 27 14:06:55 * koenkooi heads out for breakfast Feb 27 14:44:45 anyone else see a kernel panic on soft reboot with 3.8 kernel? http://pastebin.com/A74HbERv not critical, but annoying Feb 27 14:45:21 maybe something wrong in the DT? Feb 27 14:46:50 I vaguely remember this being a known issue Feb 27 14:46:54 maybe Feb 27 14:46:55 possibly Feb 27 14:48:02 i made a minor patch to the DT to pinmux spi0 and spi1, and attach a driver to spi0 and driver to spin, but all that appears to be working OK Feb 27 14:48:17 that NULL gadget thing looks suspect Feb 27 14:58:32 cmicali: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/issues/26 Feb 27 15:00:16 koen :) that's it Feb 27 15:01:14 thanks, i may temporarily comment that line out Feb 27 15:01:31 * koenkooi pokes panto about https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/issues/26 Feb 27 15:04:26 * _av500_ heads to bed Feb 27 15:06:21 schlaf gut _av500_ Feb 27 15:06:46 _av500_: but when did you fly to japan? ;) Feb 27 15:14:39 hi, i'm trying to use RCN's 'omap-image-builder' but having trouble with the ./build_image.sh script during kernel compilation. it's telling me armhf is not a support architecture in the list, which only has armel Feb 27 15:14:52 anyone else get this? Feb 27 15:30:42 hi foolks. Any idea what do when fbset doesn't set the alpha value in -rgba? Feb 27 15:31:01 trying this http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2009/11/20/building-qt-to-make-use-of-the-beagle-boards-sgx-gpu/ Feb 27 15:31:25 speakman its old Feb 27 15:31:51 this is the result: http://pastebin.com/FRHdPupd Feb 27 15:32:02 woglinde: but fbset still comply right? Feb 27 15:32:26 nemik_, which branch? Feb 27 15:32:50 I dont know if it can handle 32bit Feb 27 15:33:45 woglinde: if what ca handle 32bit? Feb 27 15:33:50 s/ca/can/ Feb 27 15:33:52 speakman do you want gles? Feb 27 15:34:07 woglinde: exactly Feb 27 15:34:23 woglinde: but the sgx drivers won't start unless framebuffer is set to 32bit Feb 27 15:34:41 Display Class API: ERROR unsupported pixel format for 3d blitting! Feb 27 15:34:55 there you have it Feb 27 15:35:12 dont use the powervr driver Feb 27 15:35:42 http://pastebin.com/GUwmAz5H Feb 27 15:35:45 btw. did you read Feb 27 15:35:48 bit color depths on the console will not work with the default fbset Feb 27 15:36:02 reading is might Feb 27 15:36:08 aeh power Feb 27 15:36:11 haha Feb 27 15:36:49 hm I thik thats another mark on my beerlist Feb 27 15:36:56 reading stuff for other people Feb 27 15:37:35 woglinde: I think half my knowledge comes from reading stuff other people couldn't be bothered to Feb 27 15:38:00 (or chose to ignore for the sake of their usecase) Feb 27 15:38:16 woglinde: maybe it's an interpretation issue, because I still can't find what you just did Feb 27 15:42:16 maybe I can set omapfb.mode to enable 32bit, but all examples uses "dvi" as device. Any idea what standard LCD interface is called? "lcd" only? Feb 27 15:43:21 hm I should mark a second beer Feb 27 15:43:41 did you install the real fbset instead of the busybox one? Feb 27 15:43:48 woglinde: of course Feb 27 15:43:51 and made sure using the real one Feb 27 15:44:07 # fbset -V Feb 27 15:44:07 Linux Frame Buffer Device Configuration Version 2.1 (23/06/1999) Feb 27 15:44:07 (C) Copyright 1995-1999 by Geert Uytterhoeven Feb 27 15:44:13 okay Feb 27 15:44:32 * woglinde removes the mark Feb 27 15:45:06 p Feb 27 15:45:07 :p Feb 27 15:45:13 hm me wonders which kernel we had in 2009 Feb 27 15:45:21 proably the good old 2.6.32 Feb 27 15:45:25 2.6.37 :P Feb 27 15:47:42 Have to rush home, but will investigate further tomorrow. Thanks for helping for so long. Feb 27 15:48:30 okay Feb 27 15:48:39 maybee the powervr driver changed too Feb 27 15:48:48 you have to investigate that too Feb 27 15:48:55 and maybee do not need a fbset at all Feb 27 16:03:03 * KotH hands woglinde a lemonade Feb 27 16:04:12 KotH: 5 cents? Feb 27 16:05:43 mranostay 20 troll cents Feb 27 16:05:48 mranostay: sorry, i only take real currency Feb 27 16:06:01 so its 20 choclate cents Feb 27 16:06:17 juup Feb 27 16:06:34 in small, not numbered chocolate pieces Feb 27 16:07:07 koth who is numbering all the choclate pieces? Feb 27 16:07:38 swiss children Feb 27 16:07:55 hm I thought its made in china Feb 27 16:09:04 nah.. Feb 27 16:09:13 swiss chocolate cannot be made anywhere but switzerland Feb 27 16:09:22 it wouldnt be swiss chocolate otherwise Feb 27 16:11:15 KotH: small gold bars Feb 27 16:11:18 ? Feb 27 16:11:26 works for me as well Feb 27 16:13:49 back Feb 27 16:14:42 "Not everyone can walk on water" Feb 27 16:14:45 koenkooi, meh, musb Feb 27 16:15:19 I did mention that musb working at all is a great big surprise, didn't I? Feb 27 16:16:39 mranostay: it's not so hard if frozen Feb 27 16:16:53 panto; seems the pinmux thing still doesn't work for me. Feb 27 16:17:13 jkridner___, ? Feb 27 16:17:34 rcn-ee: sorry, it was not in image-builder, i'm trying all these and mixing myself up. it was in "linux-dev" master branch Feb 27 16:18:05 pinmux value never changes and slots still won't unload. Feb 27 16:18:13 I'm double-checking I'm running the right code. Feb 27 16:18:19 have you picked up all the patches? Feb 27 16:18:21 rcn-ee: but i worked through it, ./build_kernel.sh worked and i just used the tools/install_image.sh to upgrade the kernel. Feb 27 16:18:23 nemik_, the linux-dev master branch is not for end users.. Feb 27 16:18:45 (specially during the v3.9-rc0 merge..) Feb 27 16:19:06 panto: found my issue, sorry. I built the right kernel, but I'm not running it. :( Feb 27 16:22:12 rcn-ee: ah ok, i'll switch to 'stable-kernel' repo then, would that be the right one? Feb 27 16:22:40 rcn-ee: thank you btw for making these, it's wonderful Feb 27 16:22:50 panto but null pointer should not happen Feb 27 16:22:55 not in kernel Feb 27 16:23:03 nemik_, yeah... (i'm assuming the beagle xm/cx) then things will work out of the box.. Feb 27 16:23:08 woglinde: nor anywhere else Feb 27 16:23:12 woglinde, ? Feb 27 16:25:08 panto the musb reboot bug Feb 27 16:25:41 woglinde, ah, yeah, it's musb Feb 27 16:25:44 rcn-ee: sorry again, i did do 'git checkout origin/am33x-v3.2 -b am33x-v3.2' on the linux-dev to use it for my beaglebone, so that's the branch i'm on. i apologise, did all this too late in the night Feb 27 16:26:08 possibly the single most buggy and convoluted driver in existence in mainline Feb 27 16:26:14 nemik_, okay, that's fine for the beaglebone.. (haven't 100% merged it into one tree) Feb 27 16:26:25 (and not even that, cause it doesn't work without patches on top) Feb 27 16:32:36 haha I should ask greg if he is moving it to staging Feb 27 16:32:58 okay till later Feb 27 16:33:04 cya Feb 27 16:34:53 panto: I can confirm that I can set the pinmuxes now. Thanks! Feb 27 16:36:29 jkridner___, just pushed another fix patch, you better pick it up now too Feb 27 16:36:49 http://pastebin.com/rDk8qUHz -- and then freeze, load address looks very strange Feb 27 16:37:49 why did everything turn purple? Feb 27 16:38:29 hehe Feb 27 16:38:52 I knew I forgot something Feb 27 16:39:02 meant to bring my purple button down shirt to ELC Feb 27 16:39:04 next time! Feb 27 16:39:09 mranostay: hehe, just got a picture from some of my wife's cousins Feb 27 16:40:28 hi prpplague Feb 27 16:40:38 panto: hey bud Feb 27 16:40:42 panto: back home? Feb 27 16:41:02 bodily yes, time dimensionally not yet Feb 27 16:41:14 getting there though Feb 27 16:41:49 mranostay: check your g+ Feb 27 16:41:51 prpplague: still trying to get mru and me married to them :P Feb 27 16:41:55 mranostay: yea Feb 27 16:42:05 prpplague: keep selling! Feb 27 16:42:10 mdp: yea Feb 27 16:42:30 prpplague: my wife was idly wondering if she could set up some ELC people with her cousins Feb 27 16:42:35 mdp: no luck with barro either Feb 27 16:42:42 mdp: hehe Feb 27 16:43:58 panto: there's an arabic saying that the soul travels at the speed of a camel Feb 27 16:44:09 I think they were onto something Feb 27 16:44:11 prpplague: LOL..nice pic ;) Feb 27 16:44:19 mdp: hehe Feb 27 16:44:22 mdp: indeed Feb 27 16:44:28 mdp: all cousins Feb 27 16:44:54 mdp: they don't look it, but they are all 25 to 27 years old Feb 27 16:45:16 that's withing reasonable range... Feb 27 16:45:18 -g Feb 27 17:38:46 good morning Feb 27 17:39:12 has anyone worked with the mustache cam and had it tweeting? Feb 27 17:39:23 cwicks_: jkridner___ has Feb 27 17:39:34 he was all over elc with it Feb 27 17:39:56 thanks mru, love jason's tweets. anyone else? Feb 27 17:40:13 not that I know of Feb 27 17:40:21 I don't think anyone else has duplicated it. most folks here won't get near my JavaScript code. :) Feb 27 17:40:36 I'm supposed to be getting a 4.3" LCD soon to debug on that. Feb 27 17:40:43 koen - will you take that challenge? Feb 27 17:40:57 koenkooi is even more loaded than I am! :-) Feb 27 17:41:23 erik and akash will start on it Friday, we'll let you know how it goes Feb 27 17:41:30 any words of wisdom for them? Feb 27 17:41:31 Paying gig? Feb 27 17:41:38 intern! Feb 27 17:41:45 will work for lunch Feb 27 17:41:48 the /var/log/beaglestache.log is pretty handy. Feb 27 17:42:13 if it fails, it is usually because the time is wrong on the board... Feb 27 17:42:24 Twitter.com likes to see recent timestamps Feb 27 17:42:35 ever heard of ntp? Feb 27 17:42:45 you need to have the keys, of course, but I sent you those in an e-mail a time back. Feb 27 17:43:02 mru: ntp eventually updates it. Feb 27 17:43:27 so, you might be walking around for 10 minutes before the pictures start being sent (once ntp syncs the time) Feb 27 17:43:37 I always do a forced sync on boot, before starting the daemon Feb 27 17:43:52 that's common in an embedded device Feb 27 17:44:05 fix it, jkridner___ Feb 27 17:44:44 okay thanks for the advice - hope to tweet soon! Feb 27 17:45:14 bye Feb 27 17:45:28 cwicks: #node.js might have... Feb 27 17:45:34 nevermind. :) Feb 27 17:46:16 you scared her away with your javascript talk! Feb 27 17:46:45 scary talk is scary Feb 27 17:52:00 anyone know about triggering/reading IIO buffers via sysfs? Feb 27 17:52:24 iirc you need to use the /dev interface for triggers Feb 27 17:52:39 but 'cat' should work for non-triggered things in sysfs Feb 27 17:52:47 provided your driver exports stuff to sysfs Feb 27 17:52:53 which the ti adc stuff doesn't do Feb 27 17:53:01 * panto should look at iio interfaces at some point Feb 27 17:53:05 yeah my driver i think has exported everything correctly Feb 27 17:53:10 but... other things wait... Feb 27 17:53:33 i did not think about looking at the /dev device Feb 27 17:53:37 will check that out Feb 27 17:53:44 it would be nice if IIO had a liiiiitle bit more documentation Feb 27 17:54:33 I hear you Feb 27 17:54:43 koenkooi: panto should provide patches for the sysfs export Feb 27 17:54:55 check the ADI oscope demo on github, that's as much docs as you can get right now Feb 27 17:55:03 searching Feb 27 17:55:43 ok. trying not to get too excited about this. Feb 27 18:00:58 cmicali: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-iio/msg07842.html Feb 27 18:01:10 koen: thanks i'm building it now :) Feb 27 18:01:27 this looks really helpful Feb 27 18:03:38 cmicali: ADI has iio drivers for pretty much every ADI chip you can interface to a linux board Feb 27 18:03:55 yeah i noticed, i tried *very* hard to find an ADI part that would fit Feb 27 18:04:07 but unfortunately we're stuck with a couple TI parts Feb 27 18:04:13 but I was surprised at how few demo apps there are Feb 27 18:04:16 jkridner___, nope...they don't work...poking @ why not. Feb 27 18:04:22 and it's either write the driver from scratch, or try to use IIO Feb 27 18:04:24 everyone seems to use the ones in kernel/Documentation Feb 27 18:04:29 i opted for IIO because it seemed like it would make things easier Feb 27 18:04:48 iio is the future Feb 27 18:05:00 uh oh Feb 27 18:05:07 ka6sox: they == HDMI audio or something with a cape? Feb 27 18:05:07 somebody said that to me once about Java Feb 27 18:05:10 haha Feb 27 18:05:18 hdmi audio Feb 27 18:05:20 koenkooi: please don't mix IIO in with that Feb 27 18:05:23 i assumed that since it moved from staging to mainline that also meant it could be the present :) Feb 27 18:05:25 anything declared to be "the future" is best steered clear of Feb 27 18:05:38 the cloud is the future Feb 27 18:05:39 3.8 latest is being a pill... Feb 27 18:05:46 the future is the cloud Feb 27 18:05:46 IIOdio ? Feb 27 18:05:49 okay back to playing Feb 27 18:05:51 ergo, the future is cloudy Feb 27 18:05:56 +1 Feb 27 18:06:04 sounds about right Feb 27 18:06:08 mdp: i think it's pronounced "the clouds" Feb 27 18:06:09 always cloudy Feb 27 18:06:29 cmicali: indeed, the interclouds Feb 27 18:07:16 ka6sox what's your issue? Feb 27 18:07:17 mdp: now there's some blue-sky thinking Feb 27 18:07:58 no audio thru HDMI Feb 27 18:08:12 I'm looking @ dmesg Feb 27 18:08:24 ka6sox https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/issues/17 Feb 27 18:08:26 i vote for 'cloud' being the most overworked buzzword Feb 27 18:08:45 mranostay: moreso than 'synergy'? Feb 27 18:08:52 or 'leverage' Feb 27 18:08:54 cmicali, yes, that is the issue I'm working on. Feb 27 18:08:56 or 'vertical markets' Feb 27 18:09:07 ka6sox ah sorry, thought you meant as user Feb 27 18:09:23 cmicali: which ti parts, btw? Feb 27 18:09:23 cmicali, ya, I'm looking into fixing that Feb 27 18:10:16 mru: STOP STOP Feb 27 18:10:23 * mranostay covers ears Feb 27 18:10:31 mdp: ads7945 for high-speed, and probably ADS8332 for slower multichannel Feb 27 18:10:42 cmicali: I have an ads1115 sitting here on my fun TODO list..but it's a low-end part Feb 27 18:10:44 I see Feb 27 18:11:51 mdp yeah i2c would have been easier i think but not fast enough Feb 27 18:12:34 ka6sox: did you try applying joel's patches? Feb 27 18:12:49 or, look at what needs to be modified on them? Feb 27 18:13:14 cmicali: yep, this is an ultra low cost part I have sitting here...can't learn IIO just by reading it Feb 27 18:14:44 mdp: someone just needs to make a cape that has lots of channels of fast, high-res a/d - that would make things so much easier Feb 27 18:15:24 cmicali: sounds like the typical daq type board several vendors have made of the years for various busses Feb 27 18:15:42 cmicali: interface to the bone is a consideration there Feb 27 18:16:08 mdp: yeah similar, just quite expensive usually if you want high sample rates and/or bit depths Feb 27 18:16:13 yep Feb 27 18:16:36 some of the VME, ISA, PCI versions I've seen are astronomical Feb 27 18:16:52 it's the cost of talking to the real world ;) Feb 27 18:18:54 jkridner___, reading thru his patches now, Feb 27 18:19:11 mostly they were 6 months old so lets see how well they work :D Feb 27 18:20:03 ka6sox: joel_'s patches? Feb 27 18:20:09 yes Feb 27 18:21:29 currently we have his 3.7 patches brought forward. Feb 27 18:21:57 it'll be interesting to see how this shakes out versus what I'm sending upstream RSN for the dvi+audio cape Feb 27 18:22:34 as I don't use the davinci machine file at all Feb 27 18:22:43 but "working" is the first step there ;) Feb 27 18:22:46 right Feb 27 18:22:58 mdp: simple-audio? Feb 27 18:23:13 koenkooi: yeah, simple-card.c w/ the DT-ification patches Feb 27 18:23:25 embrace your inner DT Feb 27 18:23:33 whats good to note is that both USB and HDMI are "broken" Feb 27 18:23:45 USB is always broken Feb 27 18:23:52 HDMI is new so it's time to shine Feb 27 18:23:56 by definition? Feb 27 18:24:03 indeed Feb 27 18:24:10 ok Feb 27 18:25:23 koenkooi: I suspect there will be challenges to extend the simple-card.c approach to complex-card ;) Feb 27 18:33:16 just add some more DT options Feb 27 18:33:43 ka6sox: according to the monitor here, the tda is already in PCM mode Feb 27 18:33:52 koenkooi: hehe Feb 27 18:33:59 koenkooi, and watch rmk get an aneurysm Feb 27 18:34:10 koenkooi, good to know Feb 27 18:34:43 let me dig out the TDA TRM Feb 27 18:35:03 panto, acpi dsdt is the future Feb 27 18:35:29 acpi 5.1 ssdt? Feb 27 18:35:36 I can't imagine the amount of s**t it's going to come down with acpi on ARM Feb 27 18:35:54 acpi hardly works on x86 and it's a pretty homogenous architecture Feb 27 18:36:03 time to move elsewhere Feb 27 18:36:21 try to imagine the craziness with the way ARM is all over the map Feb 27 18:36:27 did you see my new toy? Feb 27 18:36:32 koenkooi: dsdt+ssdt Feb 27 18:36:43 mru, nope... Feb 27 18:36:43 koenkooi: dsdt is the awesomeness part Feb 27 18:37:34 panto, it's clearly part of your future now ;) Feb 27 18:37:59 ka6sox: octo-dsp w/o arm Feb 27 18:38:01 hey, more b0rken crap for me to fix Feb 27 18:38:14 it's their funeral Feb 27 18:38:17 panto, job security Feb 27 18:38:38 panto, "they" can write crappy code faster than you/we can fix it Feb 27 18:38:55 mdp, I stopped caring long ago :) Feb 27 18:38:58 CCO now does Intel so now worries there ;) Feb 27 18:39:01 *no Feb 27 18:39:12 *chortle* Feb 27 18:39:14 *g* Feb 27 18:39:24 * mdp Lures joel_ in with obvious bait. Feb 27 18:39:26 harhar Feb 27 18:39:42 mru, yummy Feb 27 18:39:46 joel_: i think you are learning our troll ways Feb 27 18:40:55 speak for yourself mranostay Feb 27 18:40:57 mranostay: trying to. :D now that you gave me a troll hat et all Feb 27 18:41:43 joel_, did the audio bits of HDMI work anywhere besides 3.2? Feb 27 18:42:45 ka6sox: haven't tried Feb 27 18:43:06 I'm on travel for the next 3 weeks so don't know when I'll get a chance Feb 27 18:43:51 but most changes were to davinci-mcasp.c so put McASP in master mode Feb 27 18:45:23 first part is to get the audio signals out (that's independent of the HDMI section) Feb 27 18:45:31 right. Feb 27 18:45:46 okay I'll look at the mcasp stuff Feb 27 18:46:19 ka6sox: yeah, look for those commits where I set flags for master mode, and the clocks Feb 27 18:46:49 there is a clock that is used externally to generate all the signals Feb 27 18:47:31 because the main clock to the processor can't be divided and multiplied down to get the correct frequency (as McASP doesn't have a PLL) Feb 27 18:48:42 joel_, ah, thats important to note. Feb 27 18:49:13 yes that is the main difficulty we overcame. getting that right is the tricky part Feb 27 18:49:24 no codec here to get the clocs right Feb 27 18:50:02 k Feb 27 18:50:36 I need the mcasp stuff working for a cape I'm doing so this is a good time to make sure its working right. Feb 27 18:51:01 yep. I dont have a board here, so this is the only way i can help ;) Feb 27 18:51:19 but I might occassionally make mdp mad by trying to troll Feb 27 18:51:51 *occasionally Feb 27 18:52:17 I don't get mad, I get even Feb 27 18:52:37 joel_, this is quite helpful Feb 27 18:52:43 ka6sox: no problem Feb 27 18:52:44 at least I know where to start looking Feb 27 19:11:06 * _av500_ wakes Feb 27 19:14:24 who woke the troll? Feb 27 19:14:44 <_av500_> kis Feb 27 19:14:44 hard to sleep under a bridge Feb 27 19:14:48 <_av500_> kids Feb 27 19:15:20 daddy! can I have some buckwheat pancakes? Feb 27 19:15:28 ah right i keep forgeting some people have those Feb 27 19:17:58 mranostay: any idea how they are assigned? Feb 27 19:19:03 mru: usually happens after a drunken night of regrets i'm told Feb 27 19:20:51 mru, do tell... Feb 27 19:22:16 <_av500_> got the kids to bed, now I can sleep again Feb 27 19:23:41 _av500_: how many kids do you have? Feb 27 19:25:43 <_av500_> 3 Feb 27 19:26:35 are they trolls too? Feb 27 19:26:38 ka6sox: me tell? I don't do such things... Feb 27 19:26:46 <_av500_> mranostay: some Feb 27 19:26:50 mranostay: yes Feb 27 19:27:11 _av500_: the trolling trait seems to be hereditary Feb 27 19:29:55 tach_skip.vhd has the Index and Tach status bits Feb 27 19:30:47 huh? Feb 27 19:31:13 focus follows mouse Feb 27 19:33:21 koen: thanks for the iio-osc pointer. that + the linux-iio mailinglist got me over the problem and everything is working great now Feb 27 19:45:32 * mdp curses the 8148 trm :( Feb 27 19:45:55 hurry up scotch:30 Feb 27 19:59:22 heh Feb 27 20:03:54 mdp: growing a kernel developer beard? Feb 27 20:04:11 yes I am Feb 27 20:04:19 it's been holding me back in my career Feb 27 20:04:39 nobody takes clean shaven people seriously Feb 27 20:04:52 torvalds shaves Feb 27 20:05:24 that should be a t-shirt Feb 27 20:08:47 <_av500_> at least a quote on that website Feb 27 20:09:24 lwn? :P Feb 27 20:10:03 <_av500_> network transparency? Feb 27 20:10:36 I don't usually add my own quotes... Feb 27 20:12:51 <_av500_> yes, but a jury could deem yours worthy too Feb 27 20:13:30 very well Feb 27 20:14:54 nvidia! Feb 27 20:15:02 * woglinde has beard already Feb 27 20:16:37 mdp, got pictures of what one should look like? Feb 27 20:18:00 beards.org is the canonical source for proper beards...and exact steps for growing a beard ;) Feb 27 20:18:27 http://www.beards.org/full_beard.php Feb 27 20:18:43 those steps are flawed Feb 27 20:18:50 but they are exact! Feb 27 20:19:27 if I stop shaving the result is only a partial beard Feb 27 20:19:35 what? Feb 27 20:19:40 oh nos Feb 27 20:19:50 http://www.beards.org/images/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pid=5989#top_display_media is clearly a kernel developer Feb 27 20:20:13 beard, t-shirt, maniacal grin, and cool hat Feb 27 20:21:19 404 Feb 27 20:22:44 <_av500_> +1 Feb 27 20:23:17 is beagleboard.org down? Feb 27 20:23:40 <_av500_> down for me Feb 27 20:23:42 ka6sox: awwww Feb 27 20:23:55 it ran out of money Feb 27 20:24:08 cbrake, down for me too Feb 27 20:25:11 ka6sox: http://i.imgur.com/AsKszvD.jpg Feb 27 20:25:42 mdp, thats what I thought Feb 27 20:25:51 mine would be Grey(Gray?) :( Feb 27 20:25:56 mdp: are you sure a grin and a hat isn't sufficient? how else do you explain this kernel dev: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7lfHLcDLQT8/TodEkO5efxI/AAAAAAAAGMI/KU-zpLdUr20/s982/DSC_0246.jpg Feb 27 20:26:30 grin and hat are sufficient Feb 27 20:26:37 mru, the exception cases disturb my need to generalize. Feb 27 20:26:55 I will allow that one though Feb 27 20:28:15 that's sarah sharp, btw Feb 27 20:28:49 only female kernel dev I could think of, but there are probably some more Feb 27 20:29:15 my officemate is one too. Feb 27 20:29:22 and she doesn't have a beard... Feb 27 20:29:33 this is crazy! Feb 27 20:30:00 here's the freaky part: I typed 'sar' into g+ search and she was the first suggestion Feb 27 20:30:05 how do they do that? Feb 27 20:30:06 hehe Feb 27 20:30:23 goog knows Feb 27 20:30:36 it scraped this conversation already to help you out Feb 27 20:30:43 <_av500_> mru: she in your circles? Feb 27 20:30:58 <_av500_> g+ search prefers people circled Feb 27 20:31:00 iirc there is a photo with me and her tagged Feb 27 20:33:39 hehe Feb 27 20:54:01 <_av500_> mranostay: salt mines!!! http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2900 Feb 27 20:58:53 it came up 3rd for me Feb 27 21:13:44 What's a typical way to get a clock signal from the bb-xM without having to solder on the board? Feb 27 21:14:07 ...or, perhaps I should ask... "Is there a way to get... ?" Feb 27 21:14:34 (either the 26M or 32k clock will do) Feb 27 21:15:19 _av500_: can i enslave my clones? Feb 27 21:17:52 <_av500_> mranostay: in CA I am not sure Feb 27 21:17:59 <_av500_> you might need to leave state Feb 27 21:18:10 <_av500_> in TX I think you can Feb 27 21:21:52 need to clone a slavemaster Feb 27 21:22:01 not moving to TX :P Feb 27 21:33:33 g'night all Feb 27 21:33:47 <_av500_> gn Feb 27 21:36:30 <_av500_> hmm, each time I try to read Paul Huber's website I give up Feb 27 21:38:37 paul huber sounds like bsd developer Feb 27 21:40:50 ggod nite Feb 27 22:05:51 <_av500_> mdp: the LM4 with lpc, is that public? Feb 27 22:06:11 LM4 with LPC?! is TI buying NXP? Feb 27 22:06:21 ssssh Feb 27 22:06:23 heh Feb 27 22:08:32 we are only making public the LM4s with high pin count interfaces Feb 27 22:08:46 lotsa pins ftw Feb 27 22:08:49 <_av500_> lol Feb 27 22:08:57 <_av500_> so its a secret part? Feb 27 22:09:00 _av500_: nfc about stellaris stuffs Feb 27 22:09:11 <_av500_> hmm Feb 27 22:09:16 you're the one that told me there was one with an LPC Feb 27 22:10:21 you know this isn't a private message right? :) Feb 27 22:10:34 <_av500_> mdp: right Feb 27 22:10:49 <_av500_> but now you know too, so they have to get us both Feb 27 22:10:51 _av500_: I see it says LPC0 in the default interrupt handler codez Feb 27 22:11:31 _av500_: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/140 Feb 27 22:11:41 * mdp orders the chilluns to close the makeshift sheet-metal-over-school-bus gate on the compound and prepares for the assault Feb 27 22:12:16 mru, truth! Feb 27 22:14:06 <_av500_> mdp: hehe, the 120 TRM mentions LPC in the changelog, some LPC stuff weas included by accident :) Feb 27 22:14:24 wouldn't be a TI TRM otherwise Feb 27 22:15:22 _av500_: may many of the registers you seek be undocumented in your TRM Feb 27 22:17:24 <_av500_> GPT12!!! Feb 27 22:17:30 shhh Feb 27 22:18:25 mdp, don't say that... Feb 27 22:18:39 I'm hoping the mcasp stuff is RIGHT. Feb 27 22:18:53 misery loves company as they say Feb 27 22:18:58 <_av500_> ...In the Signal Tables chapter, deleted erroneously included LPC signals... Feb 27 22:19:11 ka6sox: you are in better hands in an am335x TRM at least Feb 27 22:19:15 <_av500_> but they missed one other LPC reference Feb 27 22:19:35 mdp, lets hope the TDA part's is right too. Feb 27 22:20:01 ka6sox: best of luck there...it's a low bidder part Feb 27 22:20:03 <_av500_> ...There are peripheral timing restrictions for SSI and LPC in Deep-sleep mode.... Feb 27 22:20:12 mdp, ow ow ow ow owwwwwww Feb 27 22:22:11 _av500_: the stellarisware stuff is where I just found it mentioned Feb 27 22:22:42 _av500_: gonna put a southbridge on it? ;) Feb 27 22:27:54 "50,000 parts all built by the lowest bidder" Feb 27 22:29:38 <_av500_> mdp: http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/platform/ec.git;a=blob;f=chip/lm4/system.c#l427 Feb 27 22:29:47 <_av500_> some part numbers that TI does not know about :) Feb 27 22:32:16 <_av500_> ha, its in the iMac: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2412750,00.asp Feb 27 22:32:27 <_av500_> ...Texas Instruments Stellaris LM4FS1AH5bb microcontroller... Feb 27 22:33:49 <_av500_> again google copies from apple Feb 27 22:34:35 _av500_: hey troll Feb 27 22:35:57 <_av500_> ho Feb 27 23:01:41 and apple copys from google Feb 27 23:01:50 or samsung copied from blackberry Feb 27 23:01:57 and raspberry PI copied from beagle Feb 27 23:02:02 whats new? Feb 27 23:04:09 _av500_: hehe Feb 27 23:07:22 the cheese troll copied somethign as well Feb 27 23:14:14 mrpackethead: i wouldn't call that a copy Feb 27 23:14:32 yes, hard to copy an attitude i guess Feb 28 00:17:55 koenkooi, joel_ what version of 3.2 did you have the audio working with? Feb 28 00:22:02 pfefferz: hey i didn't realize they made a animated gif of you at the conference! https://plus.google.com/u/0/106631699076927387965/posts/ik2SFgtzjqS Feb 28 00:23:48 prpplague: that's what marcom looked like when they heard pandaboard.org was down too Feb 28 00:24:37 mdp: paleeze, marcom could care less Feb 28 00:25:00 prpplague: it's amazing how frantic people get about things that don't matter ;) Feb 28 00:25:19 mdp: indeed Feb 28 00:28:50 prpplague: surprised you haven't set up a speed-dating meetup in Barbados.. you almost have enough cousins :P Feb 28 00:29:25 ouch Feb 28 00:29:33 mranostay: hehe Feb 28 00:29:40 mranostay: hey, good idea Feb 28 00:29:47 mdp: did you enable simple-card? Feb 28 00:30:35 prpplague: could be a reality show even :P Feb 28 00:30:36 mdp, pandaborad is still up Feb 28 00:30:47 old reliable Feb 28 00:30:54 +1 Feb 28 00:31:18 prpplague: who dropped the ball on no backups or paying the pandaboard.org bill? :) Feb 28 00:31:26 mranostay, not his problem Feb 28 00:31:34 don't waste his time Feb 28 00:32:00 * prpplague is not going to point fingers and at this point his only comment "who gives a rat's ass..." Feb 28 00:32:27 oh btw, i am NOT bitter about it.... Feb 28 00:32:51 in about 24hr, why don't you tell us how you really feel Feb 28 00:33:03 no no, send the email *now* Feb 28 00:33:11 that 24 hour rule ruins the best emails Feb 28 00:33:16 :P Feb 28 00:33:33 its a thurs 5pm thing, not a 24hr rule Feb 28 00:33:46 prpplague: or better yet...we catch you at the hotel bar to tell the story ;) Feb 28 00:34:06 mdp: hotel bar is the best bet Feb 28 00:35:39 prpplague: I noted that if I need information from you, that seemed to work well Feb 28 00:36:02 prpplague: nothing rum can't solve Feb 28 00:36:03 ssshhh Feb 28 00:36:08 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/140 Feb 28 00:36:41 24 hour rule? Feb 28 00:37:16 mranostay: less than 24 hours left at a company Feb 28 00:37:23 ah :) Feb 28 00:38:45 mdp : baby's got back? Feb 28 00:39:47 prpplague: never put anything you can't take back in writing :) Feb 28 00:39:55 mranostay: yea Feb 28 00:40:01 i usually go for the good old verbal stuff i can deny :) Feb 28 00:40:10 mranostay: exactly Feb 28 00:40:58 Russ, yes, that rule..very good Feb 28 00:41:03 _av500_ : I will defend google fiercly on the ec work that they are doing. they are revolutionizing the PC hardware industry. unless you have a lot of experience in that area be careful what you say. Feb 28 00:41:13 prpplague: "what he says i told him to 'shove it'? nah i said 'save it'" :) Feb 28 00:41:22 hehe Feb 28 00:41:30 "shave it" Feb 28 00:41:38 that bajan/texican mixed accent Feb 28 00:41:46 CareBear\: you seem to have a strong opinion there ;) Feb 28 00:42:35 Crofton: TMI! Feb 28 00:42:59 mdp : I do Feb 28 00:43:38 prpplague: is there any old stock of pandaboards? Feb 28 00:44:26 CareBear\: afaik, a system management isn't anything new..though maybe it's new to the commodity PC business..so it looks new to that crowd Feb 28 00:44:35 *sigh* Feb 28 00:44:36 I'll explain: the chromebook pixel is the first mass produced machine in at least 10 years which is *not* following the HWvendor-ODM-OEM-market process Feb 28 00:44:42 *system management uC Feb 28 00:44:46 ok, gotcha Feb 28 00:44:48 an EC is nothing new Feb 28 00:45:07 you're talking generally..yes, agreed..what they are doing is different Feb 28 00:45:15 anyone outside HWvendor and ODM doing not only an EC but in fact the complete system design, that's new Feb 28 00:45:15 as they say, though, it's a halo machine Feb 28 00:45:30 way overpriced for what little the s/w can do Feb 28 00:45:40 why aren't they just using DT? Feb 28 00:45:40 and anyone at all doing so many components so openly as google are, is the revolution Feb 28 00:45:50 Russ : because they want to run a stock kernel Feb 28 00:46:00 mdp : fuck the s/w I couldn't care less about chrome os Feb 28 00:46:02 that's what I said :p Feb 28 00:46:25 CareBear\: me neither...though it needs a bit of work to be a real linux machine Feb 28 00:46:33 mdp : the whole point is that I can buy the thing and hack on not only the EC but also coreboot and the kernel Feb 28 00:46:41 mdp : like what? Feb 28 00:46:43 CareBear\: from a product perspective, it seems useless Feb 28 00:46:50 well Feb 28 00:46:51 let's see..I need to dig up the article now Feb 28 00:46:55 they have enough money to suck at marketing :) Feb 28 00:46:58 there was stuff that doesn't work Feb 28 00:47:08 I'm interested! Feb 28 00:47:52 if you're in Europe end of may do come to LinuxTag in Berlin - there will be a workshop on flashing upstream into the chromebook Feb 28 00:48:00 downloading+building+flashgin Feb 28 00:48:03 first off..30 seconds more to boot in developer mode Feb 28 00:48:04 meh flashing Feb 28 00:48:20 trackpad and touchscreen need support Feb 28 00:48:23 goes out after having flashed upstream code Feb 28 00:48:49 well yes, they do have their own kernel tree - I guess that code hasn't made it to Linus just yet Feb 28 00:49:11 it's certainly interesting to me as a someday replacement for my 2006 macbook ;) Feb 28 00:49:22 seeing how the developers could only publish certain bits to coreboot a few days ago when the hardware was announced I guess that's the same for kernel Feb 28 00:49:53 mdp, except what was the ssd size? Feb 28 00:50:00 so replace it Feb 28 00:50:08 64GB is the larger one I think Feb 28 00:50:09 is it a standard form factor? Feb 28 00:50:10 I doubt it would be soldered-in Feb 28 00:50:14 it's all pretty low end Feb 28 00:50:23 4GB ram, of course Feb 28 00:50:35 and can you take it apart without pulling apart glue Feb 28 00:50:43 Russ : yes Feb 28 00:50:54 Russ : come to the flashing workshop Feb 28 00:50:56 :) Feb 28 00:51:15 CareBear\: the good news is that apparently patches are available for the non-working parts already Feb 28 00:51:15 can you move the location a little bit? Feb 28 00:51:22 and bring an extra one for me too? Feb 28 00:51:23 lol Feb 28 00:51:28 :) Feb 28 00:51:35 is somebody giving out free Pixels there?!? Feb 28 00:51:57 recycled pixels, yes Feb 28 00:52:09 they said they would pack hardware - I know that they will be showing them off at the expo, I don't think they will give any away Feb 28 00:52:28 but I honestly don't know what they plan :) Feb 28 00:52:45 mdp : probably those patches could only be sent after the actual announcement Feb 28 00:52:57 sure Feb 28 00:53:22 I'd be impressed if it had reliable suspend/resume like a mac ;) Feb 28 00:53:27 with linux Feb 28 00:53:35 I'm pretty sure it does Feb 28 00:53:37 my X60 has Feb 28 00:53:39 thanks to coreboot Feb 28 00:54:06 I've been waiting for this mac to die to try again Feb 28 00:56:26 mdp: drop it a few times Feb 28 00:57:04 don't you have kids? Feb 28 00:57:18 CareBear\: will be interesting to see exact steps for installing on the SSD instead of the demo-mode SD card booting stuff people are showing Feb 28 00:57:26 CareBear\: and then performance ;) Feb 28 00:57:55 mdp: nothing will beat the way mlocke's macbook died :) Feb 28 00:58:14 mranostay, I was just going to mention knowing somebody whose son peed all over his new macbook pro Feb 28 00:58:33 don't change the baby while surfing the tubes Feb 28 00:59:12 so that's the american one upsmanship for the boy peeing fountain in europe? Feb 28 01:02:04 america always outdoes europe... always :P Feb 28 01:14:55 use these while changing the baby: http://www.amazon.com/The-Peepee-Teepee-Sprinkling-WeeWee/dp/B000EBQ8DI/ref=sr_1_4?s=baby-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1362014062&sr=1-4&keywords=teepee Feb 28 01:16:19 heh Feb 28 01:16:37 yeah you aren't selling me on the kids thing at all Feb 28 01:18:44 Crofton: projectile vomiting is sooooo much more fun Feb 28 01:19:38 only way to vomit Feb 28 01:20:37 this channel has really gone downhill Feb 28 01:21:15 only way to go Feb 28 01:21:41 well, when I was a kid, it was uphill both ways Feb 28 01:22:05 mru: projectile vomiting and west indian cousins Feb 28 01:22:21 mru: that right there is quality conversation Feb 28 01:23:14 not complaining about the cousins Feb 28 01:23:26 hehe Feb 28 01:23:52 as long as it isn't the cousins projectile vomitting Feb 28 01:24:03 "Dave's Bajan Dating Service for Nerds" Feb 28 01:24:50 so far all it's produced is some pics Feb 28 01:24:58 not very impressive Feb 28 01:25:05 hehe Feb 28 01:25:45 mru: now that i am not working on panda, time to get some other "bid-ness" going Feb 28 01:25:54 date-cape? Feb 28 01:26:16 * mru fills out form to get free chromebook Feb 28 01:26:27 I knew buying one was a bad idea... Feb 28 01:26:29 hmmmmm linky-poo? Feb 28 01:26:38 no free stuff for you Feb 28 01:26:47 if you didn't get the email Feb 28 01:26:48 * mrpackethead fills in form to get 20m2 of Samsung display material Feb 28 01:27:09 does chrome run andriod? Feb 28 01:27:16 and java Feb 28 01:27:20 it runs chrome Feb 28 01:27:32 and javascript Feb 28 01:29:37 geepers, why are half of america boycotting $1 coins Feb 28 01:29:50 i hate $1 notes when i visit the us Feb 28 01:29:51 only half? Feb 28 01:30:06 have _ever_ seen a $1 coin? Feb 28 01:30:06 i end up with a breifcase full of paper crap Feb 28 01:30:17 we hve $1 and $2 coins here, so does Australia Feb 28 01:30:20 it works just fine. Feb 28 01:30:23 rare to see one of thos $1 coins Feb 28 01:30:26 *those Feb 28 01:30:33 mrpackethead: where's 'here' to you? Feb 28 01:30:40 New Zealand Feb 28 01:30:50 * prpplague loves the coins in barbados Feb 28 01:30:53 we also don't have quarters Feb 28 01:31:09 10c,20c,50c,$1,$2 coins Feb 28 01:31:15 in the uk we have £1 and £2 coins Feb 28 01:31:16 $5,10,20,50,100 notes Feb 28 01:31:17 mranostay: I hate 1GBP coins when I go to the UK Feb 28 01:31:28 euro places have 1 and 2 euro coins Feb 28 01:31:28 mru: its pretty smart Feb 28 01:31:33 gabrbedd: ugh why? Feb 28 01:31:38 * prpplague loves those Feb 28 01:31:39 yes, and the euro, and most of asia Feb 28 01:31:54 you can throw coins at the bellhop Feb 28 01:32:12 makes strip clubs fun i'm sure Feb 28 01:32:16 most european countries seem to have a coin worth roughly 1 euro/dollar Feb 28 01:32:26 prpplague: because cash sorts nicely in a wallet, and is clearly labelled "I am a $1 bill" Feb 28 01:32:35 bitcoin comes in $1 Feb 28 01:32:38 lol. Feb 28 01:32:38 mranostay: yea you can never have a good nudiebar in a country with a 1 unit coin Feb 28 01:32:54 gabrbedd: US money is anything but clearly labeled Feb 28 01:32:58 hmm been awhile since i've been to one Feb 28 01:33:01 prpplague: with coins, I have to hold the damn thing up to the light and squint to see "is the .05 EUR or a 1EUR coin??" Feb 28 01:33:03 yes US money is crap Feb 28 01:33:03 all the notes look basically the same Feb 28 01:33:06 * mranostay makes plans for the weekend Feb 28 01:33:10 :) Feb 28 01:33:11 have they run out of anything other than green ink Feb 28 01:33:29 mru: um, the denomination is ALWAYS in the corner. What's so hard about that? Feb 28 01:33:40 have you ever been to any other country? Feb 28 01:33:51 mru: and not just any corner... every damn corner!! Feb 28 01:33:55 everywhere else, each denomination is a different size and different colour Feb 28 01:34:04 * prpplague notices a dramatic drop in emails to his ti.com address Feb 28 01:34:04 you can tell what a note is a mile away Feb 28 01:34:05 i like coins with value Feb 28 01:34:10 mru: yes, and I hate that. Feb 28 01:34:16 mru: the world starts in California, ends in New York Feb 28 01:34:16 prpplague: can we splam you? Feb 28 01:34:25 theres nothing south of Texas Feb 28 01:34:25 mranostay: give it a try Feb 28 01:34:31 * prpplague suspects it will bounce Feb 28 01:34:40 and theres something scary to the north, that no-ones every been to. Feb 28 01:34:44 mrpackethead: ya damm right Feb 28 01:35:01 lol. Feb 28 01:35:03 mru: and yes, I've been out of the US. I like the way it's done in the US. :-) Feb 28 01:35:05 prpplague: yep, oklahoma is a scary place indeed Feb 28 01:35:11 we love the americans. Feb 28 01:35:29 we love the 18 scoop ice-creams Feb 28 01:35:29 mrpackethead: specially when they don't visit? Feb 28 01:35:35 * prpplague jokes with mrpackethead Feb 28 01:35:46 and we love the 4litre big surplee Feb 28 01:35:56 isn't wmat from that weiro place? :P Feb 28 01:36:10 and the 2.2lb of saturated fat that comes with every meal Feb 28 01:36:13 mranostay: indeed it is bouncing Feb 28 01:36:33 mranostay: i am guessing TI has decided it wants to give me an early going away present Feb 28 01:38:46 prpplague: So they went ahead and fixed the glitch. Feb 28 01:39:01 prpplague: They always like to avoid confrontation. Feb 28 01:39:11 hehe Feb 28 01:40:04 gabrbedd: i just hope they don't ask me to do a TPS report tomorrow before they fire me Feb 28 01:40:38 prpplague: so Barbados strikes me as one of those countries you can buy citizenship in.. :) Feb 28 01:40:50 mranostay: uh no Feb 28 01:42:05 mranostay: in fact it is actually in the requirements for a female bajan who marries someone outside the country has to do a lot more than if it was the other way around Feb 28 01:42:06 not like the Cayman Islands Feb 28 01:42:49 rcn-ee: how did you create your ubuntu rootfs images? are they from ubuntu core or linaro? Feb 28 01:42:50 any offshore banking? Feb 28 01:42:53 mranostay: simon cowell and tiger woods both tried to get citizenship , and both were refused Feb 28 01:43:00 mranostay: tons Feb 28 01:43:17 mranostay: they always have IT openings Feb 28 01:43:20 prpplague: well i can understand Simon :P Feb 28 01:43:32 mranostay: they hire IT staff from the states and canada Feb 28 01:43:38 prpplague, :) Feb 28 01:43:39 mranostay: they are down there for a few months Feb 28 01:43:42 I can understand Tiger too.. Feb 28 01:43:45 i am a citizen of the earth Feb 28 01:43:51 nemik_, it's just a wrapper script around "deboostrap".. it pulls from the ubuntu/debian repo's directly to create an image.. Feb 28 01:43:56 mranostay: then get hitched to a local, and disappear Feb 28 01:44:01 it's basicly what they do to.. Feb 28 01:44:03 mranostay: so the turn over is pretty high Feb 28 01:44:15 pfefferz: hey bud Feb 28 01:44:32 can i ask an ontopic question, or will that be poo-pooed? Feb 28 01:44:44 lol. Feb 28 01:44:52 ontopic? wrong list. ;) Feb 28 01:45:08 use #beagle-ontopic for actual questions Feb 28 01:45:30 mrpackethead: citizen of the earth... yeah just go to a random country and not leave i'm sure that will go over well :) Feb 28 01:45:47 can we get back off topic please? Feb 28 01:45:50 I'm running debian on the beaglebone, and got one of those lcd touch screen things.. The screen works, the buttons work.. the touchy feely bit doe'snt. Feb 28 01:45:58 rcn-ee: ahh ok, thanks. i take it that's not on one of your scripts? Feb 28 01:46:00 what are the citizenship requirements on mars? Feb 28 01:46:19 must be able to compile kernels. Feb 28 01:46:26 mrpackethead: uh i thought this channel was for beagleSQL Feb 28 01:46:30 nemik_, https://github.com/RobertCNelson/omap-image-builder (build_image.sh) Feb 28 01:46:33 mrpackethead: is beagleboard on topic? Feb 28 01:46:59 prpplague: just Feb 28 01:47:05 mru: mars was claimed by USSR, didnt you watch pioneer one? Feb 28 01:47:16 I did Feb 28 01:47:23 box of bits, just arrived.. Feb 28 01:47:32 no bytes? Feb 28 01:47:44 no, organe box with a dog on the side Feb 28 01:47:45 mrpackethead: you get a discount if you order in bulk Feb 28 01:47:47 you have to assemble those yourself Feb 28 01:48:19 mrpackethead, v3.2 kernel right? yeah i think the config still needs tweaking.. Feb 28 01:48:25 rcn-ee: yes. Feb 28 01:48:31 * prpplague thinks 3 days at ELC is way too short of a time to see friends Feb 28 01:48:33 its not a show stopper Feb 28 01:48:47 i just wnat to use it for my security alarm Feb 28 01:48:58 my wife thinks its weird i have a mouse connected to it Feb 28 01:48:59 :-) Feb 28 01:50:16 rcn-ee: ok thanks. i'm not sure at this point whether to choose ubuntu armhf or angstrom for a project. stability is pretty important, any preference for one over the other amongst you guys? Feb 28 01:51:00 why are those the only options? Feb 28 01:51:08 nemik_, really the kernel is interchangable between the two.. So it's really left to package selection... Feb 28 01:51:20 and what you like to administer.. Feb 28 01:51:48 mru: they're the ones most support i see, well debian and gentoo as well i suppose. but i prefer ubuntu Feb 28 01:51:51 * mranostay zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's Feb 28 01:52:33 mru: maybe i should start offering a bounty for marring off my wife's cousins Feb 28 01:52:59 what century is this? Feb 28 01:53:17 mranostay: who cares, did you the photos? Feb 28 01:53:19 +see Feb 28 01:53:27 prpplague: i have no goats and cattle to trade :) Feb 28 01:53:30 mrpackethead: the mouse is to power it, right? Feb 28 01:53:33 thank you rcn-ee. i also can't seem to find an armhf build of Angstrom and the higher performance would be nice, i guess Feb 28 01:56:53 Angstrom really doesn't need an "armhf" variant... As it has already been fully optimized for the core. Feb 28 01:57:27 The armel varient in Debian was just that crappy... Feb 28 01:57:59 rcn-ee: we seem to be getitng pretyt good performacne out of debian Feb 28 01:58:09 (other than can't use the touch screen ) Feb 28 01:58:17 yeap, the armhf varient. ;) Feb 28 01:58:18 mranostay: see you have lots to learn, no cattle, sheep Feb 28 01:58:22 ah that's good to know Feb 28 01:58:35 i went with debian, becasue its what i use Feb 28 01:58:38 for everything else Feb 28 01:58:41 kind of makes life easy Feb 28 01:58:50 which brings me to another topic Feb 28 01:59:09 me too.. i remember first booting the beagle on Debian Etch (arm) boy was that slow. ;) it's come a long way.. Feb 28 01:59:16 mrpackethead: now there is a phrase i never expected to hear in my lifetime.... Feb 28 01:59:26 mru: maybe we can barter some consulting work for prpplague Feb 28 01:59:39 i have a intel server thats 95% idle, with lots of CPU cores and memory.. Feb 28 01:59:44 running debian Feb 28 01:59:57 if i wanted to set up a cross compiler environment Feb 28 02:00:07 whats a sensible approach Feb 28 02:00:22 simple approach: download linaro toolchain binaries Feb 28 02:00:24 target is beaglebone. Feb 28 02:00:56 agree's with mru, way simple, it works, lots of linaro developers working on it, etc... Feb 28 02:01:06 or does debian have the cross-compiler packages these days? Feb 28 02:01:09 like ubuntu Feb 28 02:01:18 not that I'd ever suggest running ubuntu Feb 28 02:01:41 heh Feb 28 02:01:45 last i read it was close in "wheezy" but would probally get pushed to next one.. Feb 28 02:03:23 #ubuntuallthings Feb 28 02:03:56 so, linaro, has its own GCC? Feb 28 02:04:37 the linaro gcc releases contain things not yet released upstream and some backports from the 4.8 branch Feb 28 02:07:30 rcn-ee: have you had any more thoughts about getting debian to run on that TI ICE board Feb 28 02:08:17 the what board? Feb 28 02:08:30 ICE Feb 28 02:08:44 I got it to atleast boot, then hard crash later while loading modules on v3.8.x... Feb 28 02:08:50 http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdxice3359 Feb 28 02:09:24 oh, a 335x Feb 28 02:09:32 should be similar to bone, no? Feb 28 02:09:35 I wonder who makes the kernel for that one Feb 28 02:09:50 its similar to the bone Feb 28 02:10:03 teh PRU MII is all exposed and connected though Feb 28 02:10:09 and that is of much interest to me. Feb 28 02:10:13 it's very similar to bone.. I'm going to give it a nother try when v3.9-rc1 gets tagged.. Feb 28 02:10:23 tried booting a bone kernel? Feb 28 02:11:11 nah i swore of the v3.2 bone kernel months ago. ;) I'd image the v3.2 arago one works out of the box.. Feb 28 02:12:26 whos got -9mm of PCB Feb 28 02:12:28 grrr. Feb 28 02:16:15 rcn-ee: i'll follow with interest this Feb 28 02:16:46 being able to deploy something like ethercat has a lot of appeal Feb 28 02:17:00 meow Feb 28 02:17:39 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JCY6RWQ-PAw/UFchwDGUaFI/AAAAAAAACYQ/4jYhbcy-j7A/s420/ Feb 28 02:17:50 ^^ ethercat? Feb 28 02:18:18 cat5? Feb 28 02:19:07 ethercat Feb 28 02:19:32 mru.. did you draw that just for. Feb 28 02:20:08 I don't know who drew the cat Feb 28 02:20:13 I added the rj45 port Feb 28 02:20:29 thanks.. thats not quite the cat i had in mind Feb 28 02:20:31 but its funny Feb 28 02:20:52 though i need all four paris Feb 28 02:20:54 pairs Feb 28 02:20:55 :-) Feb 28 02:21:04 mru: hehe when i watch movies i always see hardware items Feb 28 02:21:44 mru: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/1QAKSB4TsyT Feb 28 02:22:07 good one Feb 28 02:22:40 mru: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/iKS1WwSmjbf Feb 28 02:22:53 that was actually my first thought when I saw the picture just now Feb 28 02:23:56 mrpackethead: just be sure that you realize you need to do a port to the ice board..the existing dtses will not work for the ice board...different uarts 65910 like on the am335x-evm, etc. Feb 28 02:24:21 yeah, its a non trivial task i suspect Feb 28 02:24:33 shouldn't a dt kernel work with any board provided the correct dt data? Feb 28 02:24:41 but I suppose that's just the theory Feb 28 02:24:45 erm, it's not a big deal if you know 335x and the board Feb 28 02:25:24 but TI doesn't support linux on that board..so there's nothing available for it Feb 28 02:25:40 what do they support? Feb 28 02:25:53 I suspect I'm being trolled ;) Feb 28 02:29:25 okay time to take a break...bbl Feb 28 02:33:57 i asked some TI peopel that question Feb 28 02:34:37 the reason given was that they only think there is applciaitons for RT type stuff Feb 28 02:35:23 rcn-ee: out of curiousity why did you swear off the b3.2 bone kernel? are the others good enough now? it has problems? Feb 28 02:36:28 s/b3.2/v3.2 Feb 28 02:58:56 bunch of elc 2013 videos are up Feb 28 02:59:55 url? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 28 02:59:58 2013