**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 07 02:59:58 2013 Mar 07 03:21:49 NishanthMenon: ! Mar 07 03:21:58 mranostay, yo Mar 07 03:22:35 troll! Mar 07 03:23:50 beer sweet beer Mar 07 03:24:02 * mru prefers it bitter Mar 07 03:24:08 matches my personality Mar 07 03:24:13 heh Mar 07 03:24:28 mru: http://21st-amendment.com/beers/bitter-american/ Mar 07 03:27:16 * NishanthMenon gets pissed off with old beagle_recover scripts :( Mar 07 03:33:24 NishanthMenon: group hug? Mar 07 03:33:35 mranostay, :D Mar 07 03:33:44 group beer ;) Mar 07 03:34:25 that'll do Mar 07 03:42:12 ok. looks like it was a hub that pusb does not like :) Mar 07 03:43:21 aah bus powered hub Mar 07 03:43:27 ok. that kind of explains now Mar 07 03:43:29 :) Mar 07 04:50:09 roast-beef Mar 07 04:50:15 anyone want dinner? Mar 07 05:40:12 more ELC videos up Mar 07 05:40:41 * mranostay checks Mar 07 06:01:51 ? Mar 07 06:02:09 Is this the right forum to ask for Beaglebone support? Mar 07 06:10:32 maybe if you stayed longer than 1 minute :P Mar 07 06:10:52 :> Mar 07 06:27:44 heh Mar 07 06:27:54 jason is probably sleeping Mar 07 06:37:23 mranostay: trolls don't sleep Mar 07 06:39:36 jason isn't a troll Mar 07 06:39:47 usually Mar 07 06:40:31 he can certainly troll if he wants to Mar 07 06:40:43 that makes him a troll Mar 07 06:42:02 heh Mar 07 06:42:16 i did like his depmod troll last week Mar 07 06:59:21 morn' Mar 07 06:59:29 moanin' Mar 07 07:00:58 guten moanin'? Mar 07 07:01:31 * panto moanining Mar 07 07:06:15 up too late Mar 07 07:48:58 morning Mar 07 07:50:16 moin Mar 07 07:57:01 yo Mar 07 09:12:07 which repo is used for linux kernel development for the beagle bone? Mar 07 09:13:18 there are quite a few trees Mar 07 09:13:56 which one do you recommend? Mar 07 09:16:12 any that works Mar 07 09:18:29 https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel Mar 07 09:18:51 3.8 branch or so Mar 07 09:19:29 for kernel development? Mar 07 09:21:58 Russ: who'd be crazy enought to even consider that? Mar 07 09:22:39 well, there was that former finnish student... Mar 07 09:23:34 how about this one? http://git.ti.com/ti-linux-kernel Mar 07 09:23:42 I just mean who would you send the patches to? Mar 07 09:24:00 f11f12, what kernel development are you doing? Mar 07 09:24:17 btw, if anyone is working on the grove motor controllers let me know Mar 07 09:24:32 I have a very simple kernel driver that works but I'd like to know what else you might need Mar 07 09:25:38 I'd just like to have USB drivers that use DMA, if they are available. Mar 07 09:26:15 panto: grove? Mar 07 09:27:33 http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/GROVE_System Mar 07 09:27:50 this one specifically http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/Grove_-_I2C_Motor_Driver_V1.3 Mar 07 09:28:28 f11f12, so you don't want to do kernel development, you want a kernel to use Mar 07 09:29:27 av500: justa L298 Mar 07 09:31:21 panto: why does this need a kernel driver? Mar 07 09:31:23 its i2c, no? Mar 07 09:31:38 bitbang it! Mar 07 09:38:28 Russ: true Mar 07 09:38:53 have you tried the https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel tree and found it to be wanting? Mar 07 09:42:35 Russ: I'll check it out. Thanks! Mar 07 09:56:54 hmm, how do I bind tftpd to usb rndis? Mar 07 10:03:14 gm ogra Mar 07 10:03:18 gm av500 Mar 07 10:03:24 gm woglinde Mar 07 10:03:46 av500 setup up the interface and restart tftpd? Mar 07 10:04:22 nah Mar 07 10:04:27 needs to be automatic Mar 07 10:04:47 lets see if that suse networkdamager can do it Mar 07 10:05:37 hm Mar 07 10:05:43 do not think so Mar 07 10:05:43 anyone here with msp430 knowledge? i have a strange phenomena: i configured the timerA to give me an interrupt on the timerA0 vector, but what i get is an interrupt on timerA1... the datasheet and the errata do not contain any explenation for that. does anyone have an idea? Mar 07 10:06:02 koth you hit a hw bug? Mar 07 10:06:20 maybe... but i would expect it in the errata..which it isnt Mar 07 10:06:23 av500 never heard that network-manager can do it Mar 07 10:06:33 it isnt like it is a easy to miss bug Mar 07 10:06:37 av500 but ifup/down with post-up should do the trick Mar 07 10:06:49 av500 but you maybee need a little time for the client Mar 07 10:07:42 av500 possible too that ha-tftpd works out of the box when running it on 0.0.0.0 Mar 07 10:08:51 get away from network-manager. just use an udev-rule Mar 07 10:09:30 lol Mar 07 10:27:54 av500, cause banging stuff on the i2c without a driver is gross Mar 07 10:28:42 I've seen the way people use it with i2cset and it's an accident waiting to happen Mar 07 10:28:50 linux is not an arduino people Mar 07 10:29:26 panto: so write a lib Mar 07 10:29:35 that abstracts the motor thing and talks I2C Mar 07 10:29:58 it still would be userland Mar 07 10:30:02 bs Mar 07 10:30:12 it's a stupid idea Mar 07 10:30:29 a driver is the right thing Mar 07 10:31:26 you can then abstract the driver behind a lib, but nothing is easier than not needing a lib at all Mar 07 10:32:19 and let's not talk about weird problems when trying to have more than one process access the same i2c peripheral Mar 07 10:32:34 now you have to arbitrate in user space Mar 07 10:33:30 what do you want to control? Mar 07 10:35:08 panto: I can totally see 2 processes control a stepper motor, one per phase Mar 07 10:35:26 with linux in userland? Mar 07 10:35:59 even in kernel-space that is risky Mar 07 10:36:08 even it was a joke Mar 07 10:36:23 *g* Mar 07 10:36:54 I still would use an avr or similiar to control a motor. Mar 07 10:37:32 right tool for the right problem Mar 07 10:37:47 just letting linux doing higher level things which don't have timing restrictions Mar 07 10:37:50 woglinde: no hw bug: stupidity on my side Mar 07 10:39:02 aholler: why? Mar 07 10:39:26 you have HW running ~1GHz and it cannot control a stepper motor? Mar 07 10:39:31 but needs an AVR Mar 07 10:39:33 thats poor Mar 07 10:39:39 thats linux Mar 07 10:40:13 koth exact steps please Mar 07 10:40:26 can't you pwm it? Mar 07 10:41:02 av500 nobody said van neumann should control motors Mar 07 10:41:09 ups von Mar 07 10:41:27 what has that got to do with it? Mar 07 10:41:59 woglinde: i didnt read the datasheet carefully enough and enabled the general timerA irq instead of the timerA0 irq. and the general irq goes to the same vector as the timerA1 irq... Mar 07 10:42:25 poor koth Mar 07 10:42:52 hm I could update java today Mar 07 10:43:08 and get an ask.com toolbar! Mar 07 10:43:15 what confused me was, that in the mode i'm running the timer the general irq worked exactly as i wanted it, just going to the wrong vector Mar 07 10:43:16 ? Mar 07 10:43:28 russ they are doing since 5 years Mar 07 10:43:38 dont know why now all yell at this Mar 07 10:43:52 because there have been so many updates lately Mar 07 10:43:54 maybee they see much often Mar 07 10:43:59 but no Mar 07 10:44:13 meta-java do installs 3rd taskbars Mar 07 10:44:20 +not Mar 07 10:44:28 +party Mar 07 10:55:16 panto: so for grove alone, there will be 76 kernel drivers? Mar 07 10:55:41 av500, why not batch them together in one (for the weird ones) Mar 07 10:56:05 the drivers that fall into something standard should be different Mar 07 10:56:30 my point is that an i2c driver is not hard to create Mar 07 10:56:36 sure Mar 07 10:56:42 I am mostly pulling your leg Mar 07 10:56:46 and it does help making things clear Mar 07 10:56:51 aha, trolling then? Mar 07 10:56:54 no Mar 07 10:56:58 would not call it that Mar 07 10:57:06 troll toll troll Mar 07 10:57:06 but if you insist Mar 07 10:58:31 the driver for that stupid motor controller was just a few hours of hacking Mar 07 10:59:03 why not do the right thing if you can? Mar 07 10:59:29 sure Mar 07 10:59:31 pastebin? Mar 07 11:02:05 http://pastebin.com/bfbXY89e Mar 07 11:03:25 again this "OF" Mar 07 11:03:31 does that replace DT? Mar 07 11:04:26 re Mar 07 11:05:41 * panto awards 6 troll points Mar 07 11:15:19 eh, sprintf Mar 07 11:36:44 * av500 feels we should use the word "Community" more often Mar 07 11:39:11 dm8tbr: maybe if they had given everybody free phones and tablets? Mar 07 11:39:21 that worked for nokia Mar 07 11:39:22 what should we throw while chanting 'community, community, community' Mar 07 11:40:03 hmm, segfaults? Mar 07 11:40:04 'they'? Mar 07 11:40:14 yes Mar 07 11:40:18 C Mar 07 11:40:40 oh, you meant my comment Mar 07 11:40:47 no Mar 07 11:41:01 I just did not provide context Mar 07 11:41:06 what comment? Mar 07 11:41:15 ok Mar 07 11:41:26 54! Mar 07 11:41:41 everybody should just chip in 26 Mar 07 11:41:52 then we'll get at least 54 or a multiple of it Mar 07 11:47:01 panto, morning and LOL Mar 07 11:47:05 anyone tried perf one the bone yet? Mar 07 11:47:14 s/one/on/ Mar 07 11:47:27 panto, saw the existing hunk for my gpevt test driver in your patch ;) Mar 07 11:47:35 mdp, heh Mar 07 11:47:46 yeah, never said I was about to post it to mainline yet :) Mar 07 11:47:46 panto, more evidence that koen will take *anything* into his *evil* vendor tree Mar 07 11:47:53 hahaha Mar 07 11:48:21 panto, I spotted the help message in Kconfig immediately ;) Mar 07 11:48:33 hehe evil Mar 07 11:49:13 I've seen much more evil in real evil vendor kernels :) Mar 07 11:49:26 his evil is harmless at best :) Mar 07 11:50:53 then its not evil Mar 07 11:51:01 a harmless evil, right Mar 07 11:51:11 ARMless Mar 07 11:52:54 panto, did you consider just doing an i2c-dev driver? or because of dynamic needs you need a unique kernel driver? Mar 07 11:53:30 unique kernel driver is the best Mar 07 11:53:41 shoragan: jackmitchell said perf crashes on exit with 3.8 and is plain broken on 3.2 Mar 07 11:53:54 I can just declare everything in the DT fragment, and bam, all is ready when it loads Mar 07 12:00:49 panto, I figured that's why you would do something this trivial as a kernel driver Mar 07 12:01:15 DT is all about describing hardware Mar 07 12:01:25 a userspace driver would be an interesting use case to support ;) Mar 07 12:01:39 doing it that way, everything is nice and really fits into place Mar 07 12:01:56 sure, you just made me consider that it's forced the most trivial things to be implemented as kernel drivers Mar 07 12:01:58 i2c-dev makes sense when you don't want to mess with board files Mar 07 12:02:04 are we talking about this grove stuff? Mar 07 12:02:05 not a horrible thing..just an observation Mar 07 12:02:19 mdp, define trivial Mar 07 12:02:52 panto, trivial is in the eye of the beholder Mar 07 12:02:58 it's a hardware peripheral, have a driver handle it and present a more abstract interface to user-space Mar 07 12:03:35 panto: so you hide 3 lines of libi2c Mar 07 12:03:46 by using printf on sysfs Mar 07 12:03:56 the above is my point Mar 07 12:04:00 av500, not really Mar 07 12:04:05 since we know it can be done in far less lines Mar 07 12:04:24 however, those far less lines don't support dynamic fragment loading, so they are *useless* in some cases Mar 07 12:04:27 i2c_open( adrr ) Mar 07 12:04:42 i2c_write( addr, whatever) Mar 07 12:04:49 i2c_close() Mar 07 12:04:58 sprinkle some void context over it Mar 07 12:05:30 and if I use the grove driver for a stepper motor, I still have all the timing in user space Mar 07 12:05:30 av500, sure, now instead of solenoid control, you have to control something like a stepper motor, or something that needs semi-accurate timing Mar 07 12:05:33 stir or use the Kitchenaid ? Mar 07 12:05:47 your user-space method is now useless Mar 07 12:05:56 panto: yes, so where is speed/direction and step count? :) Mar 07 12:06:14 av500, I said it's about solenoids in my application :) Mar 07 12:06:27 low hanging fruit :) Mar 07 12:06:39 my point is that use an interface that hides the transport Mar 07 12:06:52 now, move the control to something like the PRU Mar 07 12:06:58 you are creating a motor subsystem? ;) Mar 07 12:07:03 YES! Mar 07 12:07:06 instead of the piddly AVR Mar 07 12:07:06 vrooom! Mar 07 12:07:13 gti Mar 07 12:07:13 do that in user-space :P Mar 07 12:07:25 mdp, dunno, sounds like fun :) Mar 07 12:07:34 panto, it's my idea! Mar 07 12:07:52 not anymore! I stole it! I stole it! hahaha... Mar 07 12:07:56 * panto runs away with the idea Mar 07 12:08:15 cite me as your inspiration when you post your to-be-ignored patches Mar 07 12:08:46 mdp: is there and "ignored-by:" line? Mar 07 12:08:48 * panto doesn't really have time for that :) Mar 07 12:08:49 an* Mar 07 12:09:02 av500: that would be nice Mar 07 12:21:46 thath would make uncountable lines Mar 07 12:22:41 getting ingored is the norm Mar 07 12:23:23 DIN norm? Mar 07 12:26:38 linux is already bougt by cooperations Mar 07 12:27:18 +h Mar 07 12:33:16 linux is da big money! Mar 07 14:05:35 jackmitchell: u-boot is in now: https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard/commit/0b4d5ed55961b0ffb1edd9e2f74dee035fb26cdc Mar 07 14:05:54 koen, the crash on exist is also what i see here Mar 07 14:05:59 (regarding perf) Mar 07 14:06:14 koen: heh, these patches look like what I applied a few days ago Mar 07 14:06:19 koen: cheers koen Mar 07 14:06:30 shoragan: I get crashes on perf exit, is this what you're seeing? Mar 07 14:06:37 koen: oh, DFU Mar 07 14:06:39 nice Mar 07 14:06:41 jackmitchell, yes, on 3.8.2 Mar 07 14:06:43 does it work? Mar 07 14:06:57 koen: you should resend that ext4 patch series Mar 07 14:07:07 Jacmet: I know, Tartarus told me the same Mar 07 14:07:10 shoragan: I get the same, I haven't had chance to really debug it yet Mar 07 14:07:33 it's a pain in the neck because it doesn't give out any back trace or dump at all Mar 07 14:07:45 av500: I think DFU nearly works as well in there as it does in mainline Mar 07 14:07:47 which is to say, not quite Mar 07 14:07:53 jackmitchell, do you know if it should basically work, or are there drivers (or something) missing in 3.8? Mar 07 14:08:08 av500: I have a usb3 controller in my laptop, so activating DFU crashes the OS Mar 07 14:08:13 av500: both OSX and linux Mar 07 14:08:17 Fixing an issue with raw atm Mar 07 14:08:18 lol Mar 07 14:08:20 nice Mar 07 14:08:28 Tartarus: ic Mar 07 14:08:46 right now I'm going over all the patches I did while travelling and pushing those out Mar 07 14:08:58 And I should re-re-prepare this SD card with a small FAT partition 1 and ext* 2 and still leave room up front for RAW writing images Mar 07 14:10:09 shoragan: I don't I'm afraid Mar 07 14:12:35 Tartarus: I did some tests the other day, and the am335x rom seems to be happy booting raw even though you have a pc mbr at sector 0 and MLO data at 128kb Mar 07 14:12:59 Jacmet: yup, same "trick" as all the rest of the TI platforms :) Mar 07 14:13:10 Tartarus: ahh ;) Mar 07 14:13:21 What makes me sad atm is that for RAW mode we hard-code placing U-Boot into the 3rd spot ROM will check for a valid boot file Mar 07 14:13:43 (ROM will try at 0x0, then 0x100, 0x200 and 0x300 for a valid header) Mar 07 14:14:25 Tartarus: yes, I also dislike all this hardcoding. I haven't found time yet, but would like to add the possibility for the platform to define the highlevel spl logic (E.G. location) Mar 07 14:14:54 Jacmet: Well, for RAW you do have to hard code where to look at some level. But it's too late to change where we look now :( Mar 07 14:15:11 Tartarus: we often need to handle failsafe upgrades and chose between 2 images in the bootloader based on some flag Mar 07 14:15:18 Yeah Mar 07 14:15:28 There's some plumbing to be done is all, really Mar 07 14:15:34 esp for am335x where we have "a lot" of memory Mar 07 14:15:50 BOOTCOUNT or similar just needs to be made SPL aware Mar 07 14:16:04 Tartarus: I believe that's a fairly common usecase, so it imho makes sense to add a weak function driving the spl logic and allow boards to override it with their own logic Mar 07 14:16:31 Jacmet: Right, what I'm saying is there's already a general facility, at the U-Boot level for doing this Mar 07 14:16:36 It's just not been made SPL-aware Mar 07 14:17:21 Tartarus: true Mar 07 14:17:55 Tartarus: the code becomes kind of hairy with all the options though Mar 07 14:18:34 Jacmet: It shouldn't be too bad. But yes, some weak functions can help make it cleaner Mar 07 14:18:44 I'm just saying, please take and extend BOOTCOUNT :) Mar 07 14:19:12 (ok, CONFIG_BOOTCOUNT_LIMIT) Mar 07 14:19:22 Tartarus: I will have a look, first I'll need to do a bit more work on the ti816x stuff Mar 07 14:19:34 Yeah, no rush Mar 07 14:19:39 And looking forward to reviewing those too :) Mar 07 14:19:45 Tartarus: ;) Mar 07 14:20:09 Tartarus: the delta from 814x is not too bad Mar 07 14:20:34 Yeah, that was my goal with the prodding I gave mdp Mar 07 14:20:46 I'd spent some time in an older vendor tree with all 3 platforms Mar 07 14:21:09 hrm, wha? Mar 07 14:21:23 ahh, yes Mar 07 14:22:07 Jacmet: I'm working on the kernel side now..hoping to leverage your 816x sweat in u-boot as I do have that platform to test too Mar 07 14:23:29 Tartarus: ;) Mar 07 14:24:10 mdp: it's mainly Antoine's work, I just want to use it and have helped a bit with the emac stuff and testing Mar 07 14:24:20 Tartarus, some of us are still trolling those vendor trees for bits :( Mar 07 14:25:04 mdp: some of us have nearby deadlines that force us to do products based on those trees :( Mar 07 14:25:08 Jacmet: I'm just happy to see it about to go upstream Mar 07 14:25:16 Jacmet: I feel your pain Mar 07 14:25:59 I've been a victim of TI vendor trees too..had to support a customer onsite with PM issues on 2.6.32 ;) Mar 07 14:26:11 a most horrid week Mar 07 14:28:25 mdp: :/ Mar 07 14:28:35 * KotH hands mdp a piece of chocolate Mar 07 14:29:08 where were you that week? :) Mar 07 14:41:04 mdp: probably in switzerland Mar 07 14:42:01 yes Mar 07 14:45:05 jackmitchell, could you try it with 'nohlt' in the commandline? then perf works for me :) Mar 07 14:46:43 mdp: unless it was somewhen when i was in japan, reading manga ;) Mar 07 14:47:07 shoragan: how would I put that in the command line? Mar 07 14:47:12 perf nohlt ./app Mar 07 14:47:17 kernel command line Mar 07 14:47:32 ah I'll give it a go Mar 07 14:48:11 it disables the WFI (wait-for-interrupt) instruction Mar 07 14:50:11 is it bad to not mention to annoying colleagues about the buffer overflows in their network applications and instead setup cronjobs to trigger them on a regular basis? ;) Mar 07 14:51:40 shoragan: yep, that fixes it Mar 07 14:52:24 Jacmet: I don't know about bad, but it sounds like mischievous fun ;) Mar 07 14:52:32 jackmitchell: ;) Mar 07 14:52:52 jackmitchell: now I'll just have to wait until he needs to demo it to somebody important :P Mar 07 14:53:09 maybe some TI ppl know how WFI would interfere with perf/PMU? Mar 07 14:53:37 shoragan: hmm, I just tried perf record ./app, perf report, and it gave an empty file... Mar 07 14:53:52 the perf.data file has no sample Mar 07 14:54:51 maybe the sample clock has something to do with WFI and therefore perf is working because it is never actually invoked? Mar 07 14:55:05 and therefore not working ;_ Mar 07 14:55:06 ;) Mar 07 14:56:37 try perf stat md5sum /boot/uImage Mar 07 14:56:42 or something like that Mar 07 14:56:48 it shows plausible values Mar 07 14:57:35 shoragan: it does Mar 07 14:58:29 but for perf record something is still strange Mar 07 15:00:13 does 'perf test' work for you? Mar 07 15:00:43 shoragan: all fail bar 3 Mar 07 15:00:57 for me as well Mar 07 15:07:56 bah oe-core systemd is a sad state Mar 07 15:13:19 jackmitchell: it is Mar 07 15:13:50 jackmitchell: the TSC has been discussing that, but it's only a symptom of a bigger problem Mar 07 15:14:19 koen: yeah, what do you think the root of it is? Mar 07 15:15:33 jackmitchell: @intel.com and @windriver.com addresses get to live by different rules Mar 07 15:15:41 I mean, the systemd patch has NAK'ed by multiple people Mar 07 15:15:46 and it still went in Mar 07 15:16:08 koen: what, are you ruled my a spaceman too? Mar 07 15:16:12 and even if they get to live by the same rules, the perception is that they don't Mar 07 15:16:14 by a* Mar 07 15:17:59 koen: hmmm, it will be interesting to see the solution that comes by 1.4 Mar 07 15:18:58 to this date I still can't even get systemd booting using my custom distro; i've had some ideas as to why but the whole INITMAN/backfill makes it a winding road Mar 07 15:19:08 jackmitchell: exactly Mar 07 15:19:42 jackmitchell: I had a few minutes today to spend on 1.4 and I 'wasted' in on fixing other layers so the metadata would actually parse :( Mar 07 15:20:02 :/ Mar 07 15:20:32 jackmitchell: I think it will come down to otavio, martin and me making meta-systemd override oe-core and make it work again Mar 07 15:20:47 I dislike that solution for obvious reasons Mar 07 15:21:10 koen: it doesn't sound ideal Mar 07 15:22:43 it downright sucks Mar 07 15:22:46 anyway Mar 07 15:22:56 I also found out I need python3 for my target Mar 07 15:24:24 * koen hasn't contributed towards a solution for systemd or python3 and has to shut up now Mar 07 15:24:55 ;) Mar 07 15:28:05 a great plague has come upon us Mar 07 15:28:12 indeed Mar 07 15:30:47 is it purple? Mar 07 15:33:06 of course Mar 07 15:35:01 * KotH paints it red Mar 07 15:35:11 hello koen, panto and prpplague: saviors of all things #beagle. :) Mar 07 15:35:36 jkridner++ Mar 07 15:35:37 * prpplague is doing intel things atm Mar 07 15:35:38 hello beaglemom Mar 07 15:35:39 jkridner, I added something to the pinmux-helper driver that is of interest to you Mar 07 15:36:00 got word from felipe/ravi this morning that they should be giving priority to addressing the USB drivers on 3.8 in the short term. Mar 07 15:36:08 you can define more than one pinmux states for it, and switch among them in runtime Mar 07 15:36:13 * jkridner kick prpplague Mar 07 15:36:21 boot to the head! Mar 07 15:36:33 jkridner: fixing the crash on shutdown would be a nice start, replugging a nice second Mar 07 15:36:43 jkridner: but you have to admire the timing Mar 07 15:36:47 jkridner, required for the TI 3.8 tree...good job "aligning" Mar 07 15:36:48 I had those in opposite priority. Mar 07 15:37:04 jkridner: usb replug didn't work for white and now it doesn't work for the new one Mar 07 15:37:14 now its a feature Mar 07 15:37:19 you have to keep it that way Mar 07 15:37:22 koen: is g_multi working well for you now? Mar 07 15:37:26 working on mac? Mar 07 15:38:08 mac running linux, yes Mar 07 15:38:18 ah. :-| Mar 07 15:39:12 I pushed the g_multi changes to the angstrom meta-ti repo Mar 07 15:39:19 please test and report back Mar 07 15:43:20 koen, is plugging and replugging stuff really a requirement for USB? Mar 07 15:43:27 heh Mar 07 15:43:35 which recipe should I build? cloud9-image Mar 07 15:44:26 jkridner: whichever you want that includes the g_multi stuff Mar 07 15:44:45 koen: just drop USB.. problem solved Mar 07 15:44:51 you could, you know, just build the recipe and install the ipk Mar 07 15:44:54 instead of a complete image Mar 07 15:44:58 crazy talk, I know Mar 07 15:45:04 might actually get things done and all Mar 07 15:45:44 k. Mar 07 15:45:55 do you know which one? Mar 07 15:46:13 yes Mar 07 15:46:27 but I feel childish and leave it as an exercise to the reader Mar 07 15:47:04 * koen has been dealing with sw sweatshops again today and is very cranky Mar 07 15:47:20 * KotH hands koen a bar of white chocolate Mar 07 15:48:00 KotH: I am cranky too Mar 07 15:48:03 mmmm... tasty. but not "real" chocolate. Mar 07 15:48:07 argh. crap. 2012.05 is still the default. :( Mar 07 15:59:48 I'm thinking of that xkcd comic depicting happiness over time last xorg.conf has been opened Mar 07 15:59:53 same goes for uboot Mar 07 16:00:51 http://xkcd.com/963/ Mar 07 16:01:36 * jkridner issues 'MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh bitbake gadget-init' and hopes it builds the right .ipk. Mar 07 16:03:24 * Tartarus gets depressed, flings feces towards gqq Mar 07 16:03:48 heh Mar 07 16:04:26 * gqq is already covered in his own feces; sanity was last seen when cloning the uboot repo Mar 07 16:06:20 gqq: where did you end up job wise? Mar 07 16:06:23 uni finished? Mar 07 16:07:12 av500, yep with half much more credits than actually needed ... looks like I was worried for nothing :P Mar 07 16:07:34 been working with the TrustZone for 6 months, it was really fun Mar 07 16:07:58 but they had no money to keep me so now I'm 'securing' an aircraft IFE system Mar 07 16:08:03 urgh. oebb.sh keeps creating .oe/environment-angstromv2012.05 even though I'm on the 2012.12 branch Mar 07 16:08:13 they as in? Mar 07 16:08:17 EADS Mar 07 16:13:50 jkridner thats no problem Mar 07 16:13:57 inside it has the right branch Mar 07 16:14:07 I think I cleaned up the cruft. Mar 07 16:14:11 k Mar 07 16:23:41 jkridner: you env is probably dirty, clean it or logout Mar 07 16:24:02 I did both and it seems to have fixed it. Mar 07 16:33:14 av500: you didnt want any of my chocolate at FOSDEM Mar 07 16:33:22 av500: and you still owe me your daugher Mar 07 16:33:27 daugther* Mar 07 16:33:36 you can have her in 2-3 years Mar 07 16:33:46 why not now? Mar 07 16:34:15 wait for full-on puberty Mar 07 16:34:30 ah.. Mar 07 16:34:38 i hope you teach her cooking and cleaning? Mar 07 16:34:38 * gqq slowly backs out of the chan before the FBI comes in Mar 07 16:36:08 the FBI shall have no dominion! Mar 07 16:36:13 at least not overhere ;) Mar 07 16:36:17 shut up Mar 07 16:37:10 KotH: also, you can save up more money Mar 07 16:38:07 *g* Mar 07 17:04:27 it's a troll! Mar 07 17:04:42 koen, I've sent a patch to meta-beagleboard that would be nice if it was included in the beagle kernel Mar 07 17:05:05 jackmitchell: can you include a pull request to http://github.com/beagleboard/kernel ? Mar 07 17:05:15 I've yet to chase upstream, but will when I find out where it should go Mar 07 17:06:08 jkridner: I can give it a go, will have to wait for tomorrow though; end of day, therefore beer time :) Mar 07 17:06:24 jkridner: can you remind me the partnumber for your maxbotix sensor again? Mar 07 17:07:25 koen: it is just one of these: http://www.adafruit.com/products/172?gclid=CKOzhOeL67UCFWamPAod7mAAVA Mar 07 17:07:43 you can pick your own range that you want. Mar 07 17:10:32 jkridner: thanks Mar 07 17:53:47 mdp: http://www.legoeducation.us/eng/search/ev3 Mar 07 17:56:18 * mranostay pulls out credit card Mar 07 17:57:10 jkridner: but does it run Cloud9? Mar 07 17:58:10 probably not, but it runs node.js. :) Mar 07 18:16:47 jkridner, yay! Mar 07 19:22:00 ha ha.. this is sad. http://mou.sr/ZhNQ5E " Which TI component are you " Mar 07 19:25:14 I am a MSP340 Mar 07 19:25:28 lol Mar 07 19:25:29 OPA2188 Mar 07 19:25:49 who wants to be omap? Mar 07 19:26:02 * woglinde runs fast Mar 07 19:26:13 mrpackethead: Simple Switcher Mar 07 19:26:19 can i have those 2 minutes back? Mar 07 19:29:30 'Pull an all-nighter, silently regretting spending so much time on that water fountain issue.' Mar 07 19:30:02 russ yes *g* Mar 07 19:30:07 hehe Mar 07 19:30:38 TI has some weird marketing I noticed Mar 07 19:30:53 * NishanthMenon wonders why it gets tied to facebook... Mar 07 19:31:03 who in markerin Mar 07 19:31:05 er Mar 07 19:31:36 and good morning everyone. Mar 07 19:31:46 NishanthMenon: why not? Mar 07 19:32:11 mranostay, arrgh.. no "facebook buying TI" rumors ;) Mar 07 19:32:15 NishanthMenon: answer carefully.. it goes on your HR record :) Mar 07 19:32:22 mranostay, too late Mar 07 19:33:43 * mranostay gets a kick out of the "like" sign in found of their building Mar 07 19:34:09 * NishanthMenon gives mranostay more coffee ;) Mar 07 19:34:31 NishanthMenon: it's true Mar 07 19:34:50 or was it GM? Mar 07 19:35:11 and TI killed all SoCs Mar 07 19:35:17 * NishanthMenon now knows how it felt in "political-intrigue" world ;) Mar 07 19:35:51 NishanthMenon: I could go need door and ask them. I'm sure they'd tell me :P Mar 07 19:35:54 mdp, that might explain why it is not hosted on ti.com Mar 07 19:36:08 ;) Mar 07 19:36:23 now we put pieces of the puzzle together! Mar 07 19:36:31 aye aye.. Mar 07 19:36:39 TI is bidding to by facetube? Mar 07 19:36:52 wait, did we just divulge this on #beagle? oh nos Mar 07 19:36:57 mrpackethead, fabetuce Mar 07 19:37:13 mdp, off to watercooler ;) Mar 07 19:37:27 hehe Mar 07 19:37:35 "IRC is my watercooler" Mar 07 19:37:54 NishanthMenon: I gave up on that server ;) Mar 07 19:38:07 mdp, yeah it is a lonely place now a days :( Mar 07 19:38:37 NishanthMenon: group hug? Mar 07 19:38:49 mranostay, group huh? Mar 07 19:38:52 when I first went there, nobody was there..so I left..then found out everybody was there later..during OMAPageddon Mar 07 19:39:05 group wha? Mar 07 19:39:16 mdp, yeah, you missed the live commentary Mar 07 19:39:45 mdp, i dont you will regret missing it though.. :) Mar 07 19:39:56 yeah, I was over expressing my sympathy to mlocke for TI shafting him in graphic ways Mar 07 19:40:23 mdp, you are still on beagle ;) Mar 07 19:41:27 ;) Mar 07 19:41:38 the truth will set me free Mar 07 19:42:04 mdp, very surely ;) Mar 07 19:42:20 yes, could be quite literally Mar 07 19:42:27 did anyone havea AM3359 personality? Mar 07 19:42:40 never move to texas! :) Mar 07 19:43:12 mranostay, probably best to move to a "secure channel" Mar 07 19:43:59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptnJpF_WvUk Mar 07 19:46:14 or Alabama but that is another story :P Mar 07 19:47:49 jkridner: so why is rev A1 so hot btw? :) Mar 07 19:47:58 don't know. Mar 07 19:48:25 we've collected some data across A4 boards and don't seem to have the same heat issue you are seeing. Mar 07 19:48:40 feel like it is a one-off issue. Mar 07 19:49:01 famous last words Mar 07 19:49:02 never looked at A1 boards close enough. Mar 07 19:49:17 well, can we get folks with A4 boards to take a look at their heat? Mar 07 19:49:26 * _av500_ packs no heat Mar 07 19:49:27 perhaps if you sent it back we could look at it. Mar 07 19:50:10 I can put my finger on the processor on an A4 at max freq and it is warm, but not 68C. Mar 07 19:50:27 I think 68C would have me flinch, no? Mar 07 19:50:43 yes. Mar 07 19:51:13 68C at bandgap maynot equal surface temp if it is variant Mar 07 19:51:15 unless jkridner has a _HIGH_ pain threshold Mar 07 19:51:39 <_av500_> mranostay: or he wearing the beagle costume Mar 07 19:51:43 but we are only looking at surface temp. Mar 07 19:51:43 <_av500_> is* Mar 07 19:51:58 <_av500_> them furry paws Mar 07 19:52:09 jkridner: 52C at 600mhz which Gerald said is _expected_ 0_0 Mar 07 19:52:29 sounds high to me. Mar 07 19:52:29 Liquid-cooled BBones! Mar 07 19:53:10 i'll measure the current usage this weekend Mar 07 19:53:23 anyway, doesn't sound high enough to worry too much since parts are rated at 90C surface. Mar 07 19:53:29 * NishanthMenon checks specs for a15 Mar 07 19:53:39 koen: led me to believe there is a shunt resistor somewhere Mar 07 19:53:41 mranostay: thanks Mar 07 19:53:49 <_av500_> mranostay: the shunt is a lie Mar 07 19:53:56 there is and I know I was asked to find the mux... Mar 07 19:54:08 I think that it is just a terminology issue. Mar 07 19:54:12 * jkridner checks schematics. Mar 07 19:54:34 ok low value resistor in-line with the power geez :) Mar 07 19:56:08 <_av500_> mranostay: ah you mean a fuse :) Mar 07 19:58:05 hmmm... looks like AIN7 is now just connected to a voltage divider off off VDD_3V3B Mar 07 19:58:22 mranostay: so, it might not be a terminology issue... it doesn't seem to be in-line. Mar 07 20:06:49 <_av500_> emeb: http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/03/07/the-mojo-65-fpga-development-board-powered-by-xilinx-spartan-6/ Mar 07 20:08:42 useless, no sdr support Mar 07 20:08:59 _av500_: ok yes :) Mar 07 20:09:20 jkridner: i could do it off that big fuse on the board :) Mar 07 20:09:25 the funniest thing about this email is the date : http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnuradio/2010-04/msg00439.html Mar 07 20:09:51 is that from the 5V rail right? Mar 07 20:10:02 or still from 3v3 one? Mar 07 20:14:04 feeling pretty clver today Mar 07 20:14:20 little production trick Mar 07 20:14:29 Panel of PCB's Mar 07 20:14:58 never mind Mar 07 20:15:03 will explain later Mar 07 20:15:35 <_av500_> right Mar 07 20:15:41 * mranostay is on the edge of his seat Mar 07 20:16:30 <_av500_> Crofton|work: awesome, can you repost that on beagle? :) Mar 07 20:16:57 please please please Mar 07 20:17:02 rofl Mar 07 20:18:20 *g* Mar 07 20:18:34 exact steps please Mar 07 20:20:40 Crofton|work: what about the date? Mar 07 20:21:50 exact steps right now Mar 07 20:21:59 my homework is due tommorrow Mar 07 20:22:49 <_av500_> mdp: TI g+ pge is hilarious Mar 07 20:22:53 <_av500_> page* Mar 07 20:23:01 aren't you a little old for school? Mar 07 20:23:11 _av500_: linky poo? Mar 07 20:23:13 _av500_: these are the things that keep me going every day. Mar 07 20:23:25 I'll send you my invoice for the tip to follow them Mar 07 20:23:27 it is ages ago Mar 07 20:23:28 <_av500_> mranostay: you are grown up Mar 07 20:23:34 a timeless rant Mar 07 20:23:53 Crofton|work: if nothing else, we have consistency. Mar 07 20:23:59 <_av500_> mranostay: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+TexasInstruments/posts/AgENDkZe2qR Mar 07 20:24:54 I think they're going to be sorry you started following them ;) Mar 07 20:25:10 <_av500_> I hope htey will feel sorry Mar 07 20:29:54 put that mail into the subject Mar 07 20:33:11 "empty vessels" :) Mar 07 20:34:11 _av500_, don't worry, one day google+ will become facebook, and facebook will become myspace Mar 07 20:35:01 more videos up today Mar 07 20:36:16 Mike Anderson's made it up, but I think that's it Mar 07 20:40:43 and it all all be owned by apple Mar 07 20:41:19 and apple we be bought by the chinese Mar 07 20:45:03 which will paint ying yang onto the new round building Mar 07 20:45:38 patented Mar 07 20:59:03 g'night Mar 07 21:05:49 av500: kickstarter all the things... Mar 07 21:07:07 <_av500_> yes Mar 07 21:13:40 so the truth comes out... there is a x86 chip emulating ARM instruction in the Bone! Mar 07 21:16:52 you could have just asked, we would have told you that Mar 07 21:26:44 if it wasn't for the temperature, no one would have ever guessed it ;) Mar 07 21:27:11 <_av500_> ds2: so omap4 was x86 already... Mar 07 21:28:26 can never tell with the omap4 docs ;) Mar 07 21:37:37 ds2: +1 Mar 07 21:39:31 TI people have an odd sense of humour. Mar 07 21:40:01 (and for folks who don't know - yes, TI did make x86 processors at one point) Mar 07 21:40:15 who says they stopped? Mar 07 21:40:24 :) Mar 07 21:40:29 [ominous music] Mar 07 21:40:35 i should dig out the manual Mar 07 21:46:00 Kristina: and I'm not even TI Mar 07 21:46:04 explain that :P Mar 07 21:46:43 Ex-TI? Mar 07 21:46:45 :P Mar 07 21:47:22 <_av500_> rather an-TI Mar 07 21:47:32 never TI Mar 07 21:47:42 you are all TI Mar 07 21:47:47 Trolls International Mar 07 21:47:48 <_av500_> ran-TI Mar 07 21:48:16 Ugh, fuck, had blood tests today ... the plaster on my arm is rather sticky. Mar 07 21:48:38 For a second I thought about using a heat gun ... Mar 07 21:49:09 ? how do they do blood tests on your island? Mar 07 21:49:19 plaster... you must be non US Mar 07 21:49:35 Oh, what do you call it in America? Mar 07 21:49:55 by the american name Mar 07 21:49:57 Ah, "band aid". Mar 07 21:49:58 band aid Mar 07 21:50:32 <_av500_> and kool-aid Mar 07 21:50:38 Haha. Mar 07 21:50:47 kool and the gang Mar 07 21:50:48 I remember reading a funny story about kool aid. Mar 07 21:51:10 was it about some company drinking it? Mar 07 21:51:27 <_av500_> or some people Mar 07 21:52:21 bandage is the longer word Mar 07 21:53:33 bandage indicates something that isn't sticky though Mar 07 21:54:08 really? thought I saw that used on the box of the 'band aids' Mar 07 21:54:22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandage Mar 07 21:54:37 Band-Aid brand adhesive bandages... I guess they modify it with adhesive Mar 07 21:54:37 Russ: It's about African Americans :/ Mar 07 21:54:39 anyone have a link/tool that lets you use /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl like omap_mux? Mar 07 21:55:01 well that doesn't sound very funny Mar 07 21:55:12 Yeah, I feel bad for laughing. Mar 07 21:55:17 cmicali, the TRM! Mar 07 21:55:37 its basically one step away from mapping /dev/mem Mar 07 21:56:04 russ: that's what i was guessing, just haven't seen an example how to write / change using pin ctrl (other than in the DTS, but i need something at runtime) Mar 07 21:56:29 just write the same values Mar 07 21:56:45 I don't live on my island anymore. Mar 07 21:56:53 just back out the DTS crap Mar 07 21:56:58 It got too depressing. Mar 07 21:57:11 cnra.cc? Mar 07 21:57:27 Russ: wat? Mar 07 21:57:39 ohh. Mar 07 21:57:41 er, crna.cc Mar 07 21:57:48 I thought you were referring to the UK :/ Mar 07 21:57:51 Oh well. Mar 07 21:58:00 I'm British, I live in Canada :/ Mar 07 21:58:13 Yukon Territories? Mar 07 21:58:26 ds2: No, Toronto. Mar 07 21:58:38 on the "tropical" part ;) Mar 07 22:00:43 Do Americans really clap in cinemas? Mar 07 22:01:22 only on premiere day Mar 07 22:01:49 <_av500_> german s calp in planes when they land Mar 07 22:01:54 <_av500_> clap* Mar 07 22:01:57 _av500_, seriously? Mar 07 22:02:10 <_av500_> yeah Mar 07 22:02:10 <_av500_> tourist flights Mar 07 22:02:19 <_av500_> to mallorca Mar 07 22:02:21 if that happened on the plane I was on, I'd assume there was something wrong with the plane that everyone knew about but me Mar 07 22:02:47 <_av500_> Russ: hint: it was 10k feet up in the air Mar 07 22:02:52 americans clap on planes, but only after they land in the hudson Mar 07 22:03:06 <_av500_> you americans and your show business Mar 07 22:03:13 *g* Mar 07 22:03:19 I do not clap Mar 07 22:03:36 _av500_: It's quite common on Europe, actually. Mar 07 22:03:51 Clapping on landing. Mar 07 22:04:26 <_av500_> yeah Mar 07 22:04:42 <_av500_> in some planes I get why :) Mar 07 22:05:14 Tupalov ones? Mar 07 22:05:15 only on charter flights Mar 07 22:05:21 and ryan air Mar 07 22:05:50 <_av500_> jonand: soon you wont be able to clap on rayn air Mar 07 22:06:01 <_av500_> because you need your hands to hold on while landing Mar 07 22:06:04 never heard anyone clap on lufthansa, boring germans.. :P Mar 07 22:06:06 <_av500_> standing room only... Mar 07 22:06:11 Oh dear, ryan air. Mar 07 22:06:17 Fucking fucking ryanair. Mar 07 22:06:24 Fuck everything about ryanair. Mar 07 22:06:58 <_av500_> ryanair is awesome Mar 07 22:07:03 come on, they're not that bad. you get what you pay for and they fly to cities where noone else does. Mar 07 22:07:19 <_av500_> jonand: where noone else knew they existed Mar 07 22:07:36 Easyjet ftw. Mar 07 22:07:39 _av500_: :) Mar 07 22:07:44 Daily flights to Shang Ra La? Mar 07 22:08:06 do they also throw in a free holy grail with every successful landing? Mar 07 22:08:12 <_av500_> I love their london con - fly to stansted for €10, take a train to laondon for €20 - who owns the train? ryanair! Mar 07 22:09:10 Ryanair sounds like someone was rather uncreative when coming up with a name Mar 07 22:09:35 <_av500_> FlyAir Mar 07 22:09:44 <_av500_> AirplaneAir Mar 07 22:09:56 AirAir? Mar 07 22:10:10 iAir Mar 07 22:10:15 <_av500_> THIS! Mar 07 22:10:16 RouletteAir Mar 07 22:10:23 <_av500_> SolitAir Mar 07 22:10:35 <_av500_> notfAir Mar 07 22:10:37 AngelAir Mar 07 22:10:41 Riaair Mar 07 22:10:48 _av500_: +1 Mar 07 22:10:59 underwAir Mar 07 22:11:02 <_av500_> +2 Mar 07 22:11:17 <_av500_> wAirandtAir Mar 07 22:11:32 Medium-rAir Mar 07 22:11:52 <_av500_> beenthAir Mar 07 22:13:29 I don't like traveling. Mar 07 22:14:15 Everything sucks. Coach travel sucks. Flying sucks. Trains suck. Mar 07 22:14:34 In an ideal world, we wouldn't need to travel anywhere. Mar 07 22:14:51 <_av500_> traisn are awesome Mar 07 22:15:20 when are they building the tunnel to cypress and the rest of the med? Mar 07 22:15:20 <_av500_> at leastthe direct Frankfurt-Paris one Mar 07 22:15:21 _av500_: I went to a public bathroom at a train station today, the only free stall had shit on the toilet seat. Mar 07 22:15:34 <_av500_> Kristina: thats why god invented McDonalds Mar 07 22:15:35 And no plastic thingie. Mar 07 22:15:47 <_av500_> and put it everwhere Mar 07 22:15:53 <_av500_> true story Mar 07 22:16:00 except barbados Mar 07 22:16:07 <_av500_> bad luck for barbados Mar 07 22:16:13 <_av500_> god forsaken contry Mar 07 22:16:21 It's very cold without the plastic thingie. Mar 07 22:16:50 * _av500_ wont further that line of discussion Mar 07 22:17:06 ah Mar 07 22:17:21 now repeat that up in the Yukon Mar 07 22:17:47 WHO WOULD TAKE THE PLASTIC THINGIE OFF?! Mar 07 22:18:41 _av500_: how do they handle those multicountry train trip for non EU-citizens? Mar 07 22:18:54 <_av500_> ds2: no idea Mar 07 22:19:10 well this channel has gone to hell today Mar 07 22:19:18 and not back yet Mar 07 22:19:29 <_av500_> between FRA and paris usually customes walks through Mar 07 22:19:42 <_av500_> never saw then chekc anybody Mar 07 22:20:10 oh Mar 07 22:20:29 why should they? Mar 07 22:20:36 +1 on ICE -10 on going to out-of-the-way places on your crappy slow trains with a bajillion stops Mar 07 22:20:40 <_av500_> ds2: its not like it stops at the border and people get out and line up Mar 07 22:20:57 _av500_: they don't? supposely they do that here between US and CA Mar 07 22:21:09 <_av500_> ds2: line up and shoot some? Mar 07 22:21:13 <_av500_> I can imagine Mar 07 22:21:15 something like that Mar 07 22:21:17 _av500_: yes, true story Mar 07 22:21:23 check your liquids and shoes Mar 07 22:21:24 Kristina Johnny Knoxville would do it Mar 07 22:21:26 There isn't any border control stuff between countries like germany and francy. Mar 07 22:21:33 france* Mar 07 22:21:40 Kristina not really Mar 07 22:21:47 we havr scheggen Mar 07 22:21:48 customs still Mar 07 22:21:57 what's to prevent you from moving horse burgers around? ;) Mar 07 22:22:02 in europe Mar 07 22:22:15 ds2, it's the poo-burgers that are the real problem Mar 07 22:22:19 ok next time in Europe I have to find some horse Mar 07 22:22:19 ds2 horse is nice Mar 07 22:22:26 woglinde: When I went to Belgium and France, there wasn't any border control between those two. Mar 07 22:22:49 The only border control you get is when you come back to the UK :/ Mar 07 22:23:02 kristina yes because of schengen Mar 07 22:23:32 means you can travel free btw. a lot of countries Mar 07 22:23:55 woglinde: so a visa to enter one country is good for all those? Mar 07 22:24:27 ds2 hm I think only when you are european Mar 07 22:24:51 ds2: we don't need visas for schengen Mar 07 22:24:56 crofton knows best Mar 07 22:25:04 he travels a lot here Mar 07 22:25:10 oh Mar 07 22:25:17 90 days in 180 day period without a visa Mar 07 22:25:30 #exactsteps time, thanks mranostay Mar 07 22:25:35 I lived in germany for a year without any issues. Mar 07 22:25:38 was just going to mention that ;) Mar 07 22:26:23 <_av500_> mdp: if you come to germany, I wll smuggle you around Mar 07 22:26:30 <_av500_> in a horse trailer Mar 07 22:26:51 * mranostay pictures a scene from Animal Farm Mar 07 22:26:53 force me to eat at IKEA Mar 07 22:26:53 Germany is fun. Cigarette machines and die bahn! Mar 07 22:27:14 and horse meat everywhere Mar 07 22:27:20 heh Mar 07 22:27:33 * Russ gets a very strange mental image of germany Mar 07 22:27:36 Kristina gald you enjoyed it here Mar 07 22:27:40 is kraftwerk there too? Mar 07 22:27:46 <_av500_> Russ: me too Mar 07 22:27:47 ? Mar 07 22:27:51 <_av500_> Russ: we have lots of Kraftwerks Mar 07 22:27:52 die bahn is great. Mar 07 22:27:58 Russ, it's not like the AP photo from oktoberfest..this is the real picture! Mar 07 22:28:06 double decker trains :D Mar 07 22:28:08 Kristina most here say its crap Mar 07 22:28:11 horsemeat and poo-food at IKEA Mar 07 22:28:21 <_av500_> mdp: in that AP photo, that are all americans, ozzies and brits Mar 07 22:28:27 poo food at ikea Mar 07 22:28:34 http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/article_main_half/public/futurama_7-8.jpg Mar 07 22:28:38 _av500_: my bosses were in the last photo ;) Mar 07 22:28:41 looks like I missed something the news again Mar 07 22:28:46 <_av500_> mdp: see Mar 07 22:29:13 woglinde: I was surprised by how many foreign people were in Munich at any given point. Mar 07 22:29:25 <_av500_> Kristina: we call them Bavarians Mar 07 22:29:30 And almost everyone speaks English :O? Mar 07 22:29:30 <_av500_> most are nice Mar 07 22:29:44 munich is special in bavaria Mar 07 22:30:10 I've lived in germany for a year without being able to say a word in german. Mar 07 22:30:21 what? Mar 07 22:30:22 Well, I knew how to say "hello" and how to swear. Mar 07 22:30:29 <_av500_> +1 Mar 07 22:30:33 <_av500_> youll do fine Mar 07 22:30:44 and Bier Mar 07 22:30:50 typical for english natives Mar 07 22:31:27 lutsch mein schwanz! :D :D Mar 07 22:31:35 Kristina uhm Mar 07 22:31:36 <_av500_> geez Mar 07 22:31:39 ho hum Mar 07 22:31:41 <_av500_> mranostay: please Mar 07 22:31:42 <_av500_> cards! Mar 07 22:31:44 Haha. Mar 07 22:31:44 <_av500_> lots! Mar 07 22:31:47 yes Mar 07 22:31:49 my friend has lived there about 18 months, still no german Mar 07 22:32:00 that was harrasemment as it best Mar 07 22:32:06 munster Mar 07 22:32:15 <_av500_> Münster Mar 07 22:32:39 * mranostay pops that in google translate Mar 07 22:32:43 oh nice Mar 07 22:32:47 exact spelling Mar 07 22:32:52 mranostay, c'mon mranostay Mar 07 22:32:55 I think we're allowed to live anywhere in the EU. Mar 07 22:33:34 germany is great. Mar 07 22:33:40 Kristina: what is your citizenship? Mar 07 22:33:53 mranostay: British. Mar 07 22:35:33 I'm a British citizen and I also have permament residence in Canada. Mar 07 22:36:33 I think "fich dich" is probably the most memorable German phrase I know. Mar 07 22:36:57 fick Mar 07 22:37:33 gute nacht Mar 07 22:37:36 good night Mar 07 22:37:50 <_av500_> träum was schönes Mar 07 22:38:10 Kristina: how is the 51st state treating you? :) Mar 07 22:38:53 lol Mar 07 22:39:07 america's hat Mar 07 22:39:08 America's Hat Mar 07 22:39:10 jinx Mar 07 22:39:23 everything I know about canada, I learned from himym Mar 07 22:39:58 Canada's pants! Mar 07 22:41:54 Oh dear ... http://i.imgur.com/gVdHHj6.png Mar 07 22:42:50 <_av500_> oh dear Mar 07 22:43:28 no clicking that Mar 07 22:43:30 *not Mar 07 22:48:07 mranostay: you know you want to. Mar 07 22:48:24 <_av500_> mranostay: its safe Mar 07 22:52:17 * mranostay smacks _av500_ Mar 07 22:53:46 geek humor ... argh . . . Mar 07 23:00:57 Kristina: Augh, my eyes Mar 07 23:09:43 oh yeah Mar 07 23:16:16 Hmm. So BBone only has one MCASP available over the expansion headers? Mar 07 23:47:02 * jkridner wonders what the SRM says. Mar 07 23:49:04 moaning Mar 07 23:50:00 sounds about right Mar 07 23:50:11 and it conflicts with other stuff, IIRC Mar 07 23:55:53 jkridner: The SRM says so. But it also isn't infallible, nor is it the be-all and end-all of references :) Mar 07 23:56:03 hence why I was checking. Mar 07 23:56:35 fair enough Mar 07 23:56:51 I wonder if the BBB will have some kind of sound output onboard Mar 07 23:57:18 only one MCASP makes it kinda hard to pull sound data from one cape and send it to another Mar 07 23:57:28 BBW has sound output... you just need to apply a hammer to it or use a higher voltage ;) Mar 07 23:57:45 :D Mar 08 00:01:28 ds2: I see that the MCASP0 can be made available on a number of different sets of pins. Is there one that is least likely to cause conflict? Mar 08 00:02:08 Shadyman: eh? Mar 08 00:03:32 I'm having some USB trouble - it seems like my beaglebone is hanging up after sometime. I get INFO: task systemd-udevd:417 blocked for more than 120 seconds. in my dmesg output and then plugging or unplugging USB devices doesn't show up in dmesg Mar 08 00:05:26 ds2: Looks like MCASP can be put on pins 31-35 of P8, or 27-31 of P9 Mar 08 00:05:57 Shadyman: depends on what you want to use. for me, all options conflict Mar 08 00:06:09 Ouch. Mar 08 00:06:23 but then my board tries to do everything including the kitchen sink Mar 08 00:06:27 Yeah, I can't see using up an SPI port per se for it Mar 08 00:06:52 think I also had to move I2C elsewhere Mar 08 00:06:55 but I could probably give up UART3-5 RTS/CTS Mar 08 00:07:06 er, not those Mar 08 00:08:00 er, yes those. Mar 08 00:08:02 Anyways Mar 08 00:08:26 looking at options for sound Mar 08 00:08:33 they do make SPI CODECs Mar 08 00:08:34 I could probably make out better with just using PCM Mar 08 00:08:46 yep. have that option wired in Mar 08 00:08:49 need to test it Mar 08 00:08:53 though that would still be over mcasp0, no? Mar 08 00:09:13 nope Mar 08 00:09:26 mcasp is just one of many serial subsystems on that chip Mar 08 00:09:42 you can probally fake a I2S stream via the PRU if you work at it Mar 08 00:09:50 How do you have PCM wired up then? Mar 08 00:09:56 * Shadyman headscratches Mar 08 00:10:02 oh wait... misread Mar 08 00:10:03 PWM Mar 08 00:10:08 not PCM, sorry. Mar 08 00:10:11 ah Mar 08 00:10:52 Well, I'll just stick headphone ad mic jacks on my cape and someone can whip up an I2S cape if they so desire. Mar 08 00:10:53 in theory, it should be possible to come close to the sound quality on the Beagle classic using that Mar 08 00:11:23 what sound quality do you need? Mar 08 00:11:45 pretty crappy Mar 08 00:12:00 cell phone quality, don't have the number offhand Mar 08 00:12:59 bit bang all the audio! (with the pru) Mar 08 00:13:11 :D Mar 08 00:13:23 Russ: are you going to tell us what the board is for? Mar 08 00:13:51 throwing out FTLs Mar 08 00:14:06 a faster-than-light bbone cape? Now THAT's an Underdog Mar 08 00:14:11 * Shadyman ducks. Mar 08 00:14:40 friggin mess, a file system on top of a filesystem Mar 08 00:14:59 Yo dawg... Mar 08 00:16:34 Russ: I'll save the bitbanging of all the audio for another cape ;) Mar 08 00:17:30 https://www.google.com/search?q=ftl+btree vs https://www.google.com/search?q=filesystem+btree Mar 08 00:17:48 pretty much any filesystem feature or tech is also in ftls Mar 08 00:18:20 ah, b-trees Mar 08 00:23:18 argh. Getting Error 13 building 'pseudo' with bitbake. :( Don't remember how I got around this before. Mar 08 00:23:39 some directory permissions issue? Mar 08 00:44:13 robclark: you were just given an award Mar 08 00:45:05 lets here it for the Robster! Mar 08 00:47:57 * jkridner remembers 'chmod go+rw /dev/shm' isn't preserved after reboot and requires a change to /etc/fstab Mar 08 00:50:19 * prpplague remembers not to follow jkridner to Thai food restaurants in San Francisco Mar 08 00:50:32 bad kridner, bad kridner Mar 08 00:50:37 there was nothing wrong with that Thai food! Mar 08 00:50:50 And the beer was decent too. not wonderful, but decent. Mar 08 00:51:15 jkridner: hey, i could have been back there at the hotel bar with wmat_ eating a hamburger Mar 08 00:51:19 * prpplague jokes with jkridner Mar 08 00:51:38 well, nothing wrong with eating hamburgers with wmat_. Mar 08 00:52:33 thai.. Mar 08 00:52:34 hm Mar 08 00:53:01 does wmat_ taste like horse? Mar 08 00:53:01 I went to this place upstairs in a mall around japantown Mar 08 00:56:54 miyako Mar 08 00:58:20 jkridner: I believe you can install pseudo on the host system an it will work fine Mar 08 00:58:32 Seoul Garden I guess Mar 08 00:58:35 yes Mar 08 00:58:39 not thai of course :) Mar 08 00:58:45 pseudo wouldn't build until I changed permissions on /dev/shm Mar 08 00:59:10 but, I was trying to build it with bitbake. Mar 08 01:00:13 CareBear\, bah, if you are in that area, you should be going to brothers Mar 08 01:00:46 Russ : oh? Mar 08 01:01:06 ya, it's pretty good Mar 08 01:01:12 3.5 yelp Mar 08 01:01:37 how is their bibimbab? Mar 08 01:01:59 "Authentic smokey Korean BBQ place. Your hair smells like grilled beef until your next shampoo." ok Mar 08 01:02:07 dunno, their thing is really in table charcoal bbq Mar 08 01:02:31 I really don't bother much with bibimbap anymore unless its dolsot Mar 08 01:06:39 all of the reviews are really saying "meh" Mar 08 01:06:52 I got completely spoiled one time at this place http://www.sheratonwalkerhill.co.kr/en/dining/myongwolgwan.wh Mar 08 01:07:24 mru, I was? Mar 08 01:07:37 robclark: linaro Mar 08 01:07:52 Russ : wrong city I guess.. Mar 08 01:08:07 heh, no, I'm jumping around Mar 08 01:08:22 mru, I'd like to thank the academy, and all my fans, and .... Mar 08 01:08:30 :-P Mar 08 01:08:35 Russ : "Brothers Restaurant is one of the best Korean BBQ restaurants in SF." should probably look for different cuisine then Mar 08 01:08:39 robclark: shared award for the dmabuf and related work Mar 08 01:08:57 Russ : I get weird cravings for Bob's donuts now and then.. Mar 08 01:09:11 Russ : if there is one single place I will go for a repeat experience it's there Mar 08 01:09:14 there are some really good korean places down here in LA Mar 08 01:09:14 ahh, I guess closing ceremonies for linaro connect? Mar 08 01:09:20 yes Mar 08 01:09:31 cool, how was HK? Mar 08 01:09:59 a lot like last year, not as hot Mar 08 01:10:09 ahh.. snowing here atm Mar 08 01:10:23 (here == boston) Mar 08 01:10:32 ugh, snow Mar 08 01:10:55 * robclark likes the snow.. as long as I don't have to drive anywhere Mar 08 01:11:11 robclark: keep it all! Mar 08 01:11:19 heheh Mar 08 01:11:44 I'll take the snow over a Dallas summer, anyways :-P Mar 08 01:12:00 meeh! I am hungry Mar 08 01:12:04 must stop reading food internet Mar 08 01:12:39 hehe Mar 08 01:12:55 * prpplague throws CareBear\ some ikea horse meat products Mar 08 01:13:50 köttbullar Mar 08 01:13:54 made from horses Mar 08 01:14:19 omnomnom Mar 08 01:14:26 dinnertime Mar 08 01:14:29 :) Mar 08 01:15:02 * Russ locates the source of prpplague's horse meat products http://www.wendyswizardofoz.com/horsecolor/horse2.jpg Mar 08 01:17:21 +1 Mar 08 02:31:00 prpplague, what post did you have to burn? Mar 08 02:31:32 Russ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU Mar 08 02:31:38 Russ: totally pissed me off Mar 08 02:31:51 Russ: got all these @#$@#$@ making nasty comments Mar 08 02:31:51 never even saw that post Mar 08 02:32:07 because the person the writers gave the stupid line to was a girl Mar 08 02:32:13 yea Mar 08 02:32:41 oi, this is why I like ncis much more than csi Mar 08 02:32:59 sure they do a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense, but at least not that Mar 08 02:33:24 hehe Mar 08 02:34:02 ah, for all you know, the writer is a dude and the actress knows her line makes no sense Mar 08 02:34:28 yea Mar 08 02:35:21 oi, why can't people just focus on the utter stupidity of the writing Mar 08 02:35:28 who was their technical consultant? Mar 08 02:35:41 hehe some hipster Mar 08 02:37:44 how about "I'll hack together some python" Mar 08 02:37:57 course, the viewer may get a strange mental image... Mar 08 02:38:21 "I've got a perl script for that" Mar 08 02:38:55 now that would have been a good line Mar 08 02:41:03 Russ: with a comment "damit! they are using IPV6 and my perl script is written only for IPV4" Mar 08 02:41:08 props to the technical director for the matrix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51lGCTgqE_w Mar 08 02:41:28 Z1ON0101 is my new password Mar 08 02:42:35 hehe Mar 08 02:42:50 0 points for jurassic park Mar 08 02:43:50 Russ: yea , real ssh exploit iirc, seems like i tested that on an old redhat install Mar 08 02:43:53 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ceaqtWhdnI Mar 08 02:45:42 HAHAHA Mar 08 02:50:42 Russ: good one **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 08 02:59:58 2013