**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 08 02:59:59 2013 Mar 08 04:20:42 * mranostay "next-gens" a cape Mar 08 05:00:02 next gen? Mar 08 05:00:08 that is next-gening? Mar 08 05:00:19 not allow to mention the clock Mar 08 05:00:24 *color Mar 08 05:00:32 oh Mar 08 05:00:54 red-beagle Mar 08 05:01:23 ive pretty much decided that i can't get any love from CircuitCo Mar 08 05:01:33 so, i'll just have to build my own. Mar 08 05:01:57 but i hear that they are 120 days behind Mar 08 05:02:04 so can understand Mar 08 05:05:18 well good things come to those who wait :P Mar 08 05:06:52 but the early bird gets the worm? Mar 08 05:07:01 I don't understand! Mar 08 05:08:48 early board gets a hot rev Mar 08 05:08:50 *bird Mar 08 05:11:34 its just a pcb and parts Mar 08 05:11:49 though i'd struggle to make them for the cost that CC sells them Mar 08 05:12:45 it isn't that hard Mar 08 05:18:06 heh the RT1 fuse is only for HDMI Mar 08 06:42:55 <_av500_> its a full HD fuse Mar 08 06:48:08 * mranostay has no 1 ohm THT resistors it seems Mar 08 06:48:47 <_av500_> omg, ti added me back Mar 08 06:49:02 omg! Mar 08 06:49:25 <_av500_> lets post more STM and NXP stuff Mar 08 06:50:05 be nice Mar 08 06:50:27 crap i really have no shunt resistors in THT Mar 08 06:51:04 <_av500_> make a run to Fry's Mar 08 06:51:15 at 11p? Mar 08 06:56:22 they don't have windows there? Mar 08 06:57:59 cute Mar 08 07:24:37 <_av500_> mranostay: aint them open 24/7? Mar 08 07:27:10 mranostay, I just make THT resistors out of 0402's and some wire Mar 08 07:27:31 for a good shunt resistor, use 4 wires Mar 08 07:27:36 <_av500_> piece of paper and a pencil Mar 08 07:27:38 hehe Mar 08 07:28:10 <_av500_> mranostay: oh, 9pm only Mar 08 07:28:17 you could also use a long wire as a shunt resistor Mar 08 07:28:21 <_av500_> no wonder the valley is going down the drain Mar 08 07:28:56 <_av500_> but then, one can buy hadoop and jquery online for less money Mar 08 07:29:53 seriously though, just get some wire, calculate the resistance per unit length based on the material and gauge, cut to length, measure actual resistance, place in cirucit Mar 08 07:29:57 er, circuit Mar 08 07:32:48 Russ: yes i understand the concept :) Mar 08 07:33:47 <_av500_> Russ: might still make a long wire Mar 08 07:34:18 <_av500_> mranostay: what I usually do is to find some older stuff and desolder what I need :) Mar 08 07:34:39 <_av500_> that CRT TV you put in storage Mar 08 07:35:27 CRT? god you are old :) Mar 08 07:37:03 :) Mar 08 07:40:24 why are you building a resistor? Mar 08 07:41:30 because he does not have one :) Mar 08 07:41:48 a wonderfull FRIDAY! morning everyone! Mar 08 07:41:52 oddly, i did this the other day Mar 08 07:42:05 but i did want a 500W resistor Mar 08 07:42:41 out of .25W resistors? :) Mar 08 07:42:57 which are a little less common that the 0603's that there are several hundred thousand in the cupboard. Mar 08 07:43:51 its a tricky thing. Mar 08 07:44:01 component managment Mar 08 07:44:16 not really Mar 08 07:44:16 500W resistor?!?! Mar 08 07:44:21 <_av500_> mranostay: take all the 0603's, pour into a cake pan and bake in the oven Mar 08 07:44:26 oh yeah.. Mar 08 07:44:28 it is Mar 08 07:44:29 <_av500_> mranostay: yes, stuff for grownups Mar 08 07:44:30 you just dump them into a big cupboard and lable every shelf Mar 08 07:44:31 if you want to do it well Mar 08 07:44:37 _av500_: hate you :) Mar 08 07:44:39 right.. Mar 08 07:44:59 mranostay: yes, i want to dump 50A out of a power supply Mar 08 07:45:07 to see how it would cool. Mar 08 07:45:23 i found an old heater Mar 08 07:45:26 :-) Mar 08 07:45:30 mrpackethead, if you want to build a 500W resistor, use light bulbs Mar 08 07:45:31 bit of rewiring. Mar 08 07:45:46 heater worked well Mar 08 07:45:47 <_av500_> Russ: only if the voltage is high enough, no? Mar 08 07:45:47 :-) Mar 08 07:45:52 _av500_, ya Mar 08 07:46:07 mrpackethead: wtf are you doing that needs 50 amps? Mar 08 07:46:20 mranostay: stuff for grownups :) Mar 08 07:46:25 testing a power supply in a metal box Mar 08 07:46:38 to check that my calculations were close to reality Mar 08 07:46:39 KotH: you aren't that much older than me :) Mar 08 07:47:03 mranostay: actually, i am... not as old as av500, but still quite a bit older than you Mar 08 07:47:06 and yes, i was actually only putting 250W into the resistor Mar 08 07:47:11 KotH: 35? Mar 08 07:47:11 but i made it good for 500 Mar 08 07:47:18 mranostay: about that, yes Mar 08 07:47:23 so, we could use it for something else Mar 08 07:47:25 ok you are much olde then :P Mar 08 07:47:25 mranostay: you're _young_, you know Mar 08 07:47:37 how old is mrpackethead Mar 08 07:47:55 mrpackethead: i hope _you_ know that Mar 08 07:49:04 * _av500_ puts "mranostay: stuff for grownups" on a keyboard macro Mar 08 07:49:12 hehe Mar 08 07:49:36 hey i am an adult Mar 08 07:49:47 oh yeah? Mar 08 07:49:53 <_av500_> but you need to point that out Mar 08 07:49:58 mranostay: just because you're of legal age does not mean you are grown up Mar 08 07:50:02 i was born on september 22, 2890 Mar 08 07:50:26 <_av500_> mranostay: what after-time-travel cream do you use? Mar 08 07:50:30 mrpackethead: so you're 20? Mar 08 07:50:30 <_av500_> er, mrpackethead Mar 08 07:50:49 <_av500_> mranostay: I hate the headaches Mar 08 07:50:52 <_av500_> darn Mar 08 07:50:56 <_av500_> mrpackethead: ^ Mar 08 07:51:03 * KotH hands _av500_ a new tabcomplete Mar 08 07:51:15 <_av500_> kos_tom: thanks! Mar 08 07:51:17 <_av500_> :) Mar 08 07:51:27 :-D Mar 08 07:51:32 hehe Mar 08 07:51:33 mrpackethead is a hobbit from the third age remember Mar 08 07:51:51 .o0(a soon to be extinct race) Mar 08 07:52:46 <_av500_> orcs ftw! Mar 08 07:53:21 i can deal to trolls, they are just lumbering and stupid Mar 08 07:53:36 orcs, you gotta be careful off and avoid at all cost Mar 08 07:53:45 goblins are iiky Mar 08 07:53:58 Smegal, you can trick.. but be careful hes crafty Mar 08 07:54:04 * mranostay loads up silver bullets Mar 08 07:54:13 oh wait wrong myth Mar 08 07:54:14 Smegal now works for TI Mar 08 07:59:01 * KotH snatches mrpacketheads ring away Mar 08 08:00:56 500W resistors out of lightbulbs is horrible at best Mar 08 08:01:13 it should be better known as a self heating thermistor Mar 08 08:02:48 yeah i'm sleeping nows Mar 08 08:02:49 the whole point is to just dump waste heat Mar 08 08:02:53 TI has smegheads working for them? Mar 08 08:03:16 and my complain is lightbulbs temp dependant for their resistance Mar 08 08:03:22 IIRC, they go up as temp goes up Mar 08 08:03:39 are we using lightbulbs as resistors? Mar 08 08:03:44 ds2, yes, that can be a problem Mar 08 08:04:02 but if used properly, takes care of itself Mar 08 08:04:04 but they do make nice cheap dummy loads Mar 08 08:04:13 why would anyone be this insane? :) Mar 08 08:04:40 mranostay: if you are doing a 1KW transmitter and need something to test w/o risking folks from the FCC giving you a visit... Mar 08 08:05:29 actually... you might be able to buy a better high wattage resistor at an automotive place Mar 08 08:05:57 mechanics use a carbon pile thing to test car batteries. it can sink hundreds of at 12V Mar 08 08:06:25 the $24 fan heater with some mods worked nicely Mar 08 08:07:09 and in fact i was more interested in the currnet flow than the actual reistance Mar 08 08:07:34 http://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/2012/08/various-sizes-of-resistors.html Mar 08 08:07:42 mrpackethead: why at the current flow? Mar 08 08:07:57 becuase i was just simulating a load Mar 08 08:08:10 which is currnet limited Mar 08 08:08:12 only an 80W resistor Mar 08 08:09:45 mrpackethead: ah.. Mar 08 08:09:45 i layed with a new toy from fluke today Mar 08 08:10:09 where is this voltage divider on the colour we can't mention board? Mar 08 08:11:10 one thing he didn't cover is you can fudge the ratings if you are careful with duty cycles Mar 08 08:11:48 mranostay, which voltage divider, the one for AIN7? Mar 08 08:12:13 Fluke Ti100 thermal imager Mar 08 08:13:32 Russ: aha! Mar 08 08:13:50 so how close to workign is this black thing Mar 08 08:14:23 mrpackethead, why not call it, the unnamed beaglebone successor Mar 08 08:14:27 ubs Mar 08 08:14:51 _av500_: huh ? Mar 08 08:15:17 we know its black becuase its in the wiki Mar 08 08:15:37 or prehaps "tuxedo board" Mar 08 08:15:49 or cousin of tux Mar 08 08:16:19 did they put a RTC that works in it. Mar 08 08:16:24 do not metion the color Mar 08 08:16:28 *mention Mar 08 08:16:39 mranostay, no one gets this, you can mention the color but not the name Mar 08 08:16:43 how is that confusing? Mar 08 08:16:57 gm Mar 08 08:16:57 black! Mar 08 08:17:02 but that isn't the name! Mar 08 08:17:06 hm still all awake Mar 08 08:17:07 or is it? Mar 08 08:17:09 intressting Mar 08 08:17:22 oh the places I'd like to go with this, but and too chicken Mar 08 08:17:29 er, am too chicken Mar 08 08:17:40 mranostay, still looking for R163/R164? Mar 08 08:18:14 Russ: i can just the value in AIN7 right? :) Mar 08 08:18:25 yes Mar 08 08:18:27 too sleepy to bother Mar 08 08:18:36 weekened project Mar 08 08:18:37 didn't know if you needed to physically probe resistors or something Mar 08 08:18:44 nope Mar 08 08:19:05 the white had the same setup or not Mar 08 08:19:12 i mean classic i mean Mar 08 08:19:13 then its AIN7 and it should be VDD_3V3B/2 Mar 08 08:19:44 Russ: ok i may have dropped out but i do know some EE :) Mar 08 08:19:58 didn't know if you knew the values of the resistors Mar 08 08:20:17 have the secret spec in hand :) Mar 08 08:20:31 aren't they 0402's? Mar 08 08:20:33 the minus github cloak :) Mar 08 08:20:48 a quick glance w/a magnifier... Mar 08 08:21:03 ds2, ok, lemme look Mar 08 08:21:18 hmm...I must need a bigger magnigier Mar 08 08:21:22 er, magnifier Mar 08 08:21:38 crap really sleeping now Mar 08 08:21:39 10x....20x...30x....60x....I don't see nuttin! Mar 08 08:22:19 0201's? Mar 08 08:22:26 0402's should be marked Mar 08 08:22:51 some 0402's have no markings Mar 08 08:23:14 oh Mar 08 08:23:56 0201's are beyond my ability to hand place. Mar 08 08:24:23 but maybe i just need to practce more! Mar 08 08:24:29 nite mranostay Mar 08 08:26:08 <_av500_> kos_tom: nothing, was a mistab Mar 08 08:26:09 mrpackethead: actually, most 0402s are not marked Mar 08 08:26:45 * KotH has even a few unmarked 0603s Mar 08 08:26:47 gm koth and av500 Mar 08 08:26:55 moin woglinde Mar 08 08:27:12 woglinde: how's life in the good old capital? Mar 08 08:27:24 <_av500_> exciting Mar 08 08:27:38 <_av500_> drinking hipster coffee in the morning Mar 08 08:27:49 <_av500_> on the balcony of the renovierte altbauwohnung Mar 08 08:28:46 _av500_: ok :) Mar 08 08:29:11 ds2, how much are you paying for your 0402's that they're marked? Mar 08 08:30:03 av500 excatly Mar 08 08:30:53 Russ: I get them at the local place for maybe $5 for left over reels (1/2 to 2/3) Mar 08 08:31:00 <_av500_> woglinde: later take your macbook to starbucks and pretend ists SF :) Mar 08 08:31:27 hmm..wonder if I have any local places Mar 08 08:32:29 av500 hm we have no real sea only spree Mar 08 08:32:32 http://www.actpcb.com/ seems to be the closest Mar 08 08:33:18 Russ: are you in LA cty or OR cty? Mar 08 08:33:44 very sw corner of san bernadino Mar 08 08:34:15 so more so orange county Mar 08 08:34:33 tried the stuff near ACP? Mar 08 08:34:36 but city of industry is close Mar 08 08:34:40 think that is either tustin or irvine Mar 08 08:35:00 that is south of the orange crush Mar 08 08:38:03 what is acp? Mar 08 08:39:54 http://www.acpsurplus.com/servlet/Page?template=about Mar 08 08:39:57 santa ana Mar 08 08:40:26 next to them, there is another place that sells parts (or used it. it has been a while since I been there0 Mar 08 08:44:14 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=578723788821811&set=a.210709215623272.60618.210706378956889&type=1&relevant_count=1 Mar 08 08:44:20 bla. Mar 08 08:44:43 ds2, not sure how many of those components I can actually use… Mar 08 08:45:37 <_av500_> oh wow: http://www.acpsurplus.com/servlet/Detail?no=229 Mar 08 08:45:40 <_av500_> must buy! Mar 08 08:47:51 sorry for the basic question but what's up with the pandaboard. Should it be condisrered a dead project and soc? Mar 08 08:48:01 bay area has all the cool surplus from what I understand Mar 08 08:51:18 pandas are rare and endagered Mar 08 08:51:28 i saw a few in Hong Kong Mar 08 08:51:40 Russ: if you are willing to goto LA, there is All Electronics Mar 08 08:57:20 you mean past LA Mar 08 08:58:38 keesj: the panda isnt dead Mar 08 08:58:52 its been reborn, I forget as what Mar 08 08:59:08 keesj: iirc all parts are catalog parts, so it'll be produced for the next couple of decades Mar 08 08:59:14 heh Mar 08 08:59:18 omap4 isn't catalog Mar 08 08:59:53 and prices on the components went up Mar 08 09:00:00 http://pandaborad.org/ is still up Mar 08 09:00:22 and there's noone around to support it Mar 08 09:00:52 not true, there is the community Mar 08 09:00:54 <_av500_> Russ: yes, as long as I can leach hosting :) Mar 08 09:00:55 ;) Mar 08 09:01:03 aholler: you mean nokia? Mar 08 09:01:15 koen: they use omap4? Mar 08 09:01:36 it's an old TI in-joke Mar 08 09:01:46 when the omap people say "the community wants" Mar 08 09:01:55 ah, those times Mar 08 09:01:56 they meant "nokia wants" Mar 08 09:01:58 <_av500_> it means nokia demands Mar 08 09:02:10 then s/nokia/google/ Mar 08 09:02:16 and s/google/amazon/ Mar 08 09:02:17 etc Mar 08 09:02:55 well, nokia is now a subsidiary Mar 08 09:03:00 nokia? pretty much a has been along with Blackberry is'n ti Mar 08 09:03:16 failed to catch up Mar 08 09:03:35 nokia was trojaned Mar 08 09:08:27 it now will serve as an example for future management generations Mar 08 09:12:31 ship with your yacht to a competitor, spend some months there, beaten ... Mar 08 09:21:23 gm Mar 08 09:21:39 <_av500_> beware greeks bearing greets Mar 08 10:18:21 jo panto Mar 08 11:32:51 <_av500_> koen: ping Mar 08 11:41:01 av500: pong Mar 08 11:43:04 <_av500_> koen: nvm found it Mar 08 11:43:18 <_av500_> wanted to know what to kill to have angstrom not export the FAT by default Mar 08 11:43:42 systemctl disable storage-gadget-init.service Mar 08 11:43:43 iirc Mar 08 11:43:46 <_av500_> but I see it exported and moiunted at the same time Mar 08 11:43:55 <_av500_> not good, no? Mar 08 11:47:59 <_av500_> koen: disable does not survive reboot Mar 08 11:49:10 * _av500_ googles Mar 08 11:50:10 ah Mar 08 11:50:12 I know why Mar 08 11:50:18 it was manually installed Mar 08 11:50:27 it;s a bug Mar 08 11:50:33 delete the symlink manually Mar 08 11:50:52 <_av500_> ah Mar 08 11:51:28 <_av500_> its no link Mar 08 11:52:18 <_av500_> its a space station Mar 08 11:53:03 oO(is it a lïnk?) Mar 08 13:43:28 has anyone here ever made an ultra-low power linux system? if yes, what was the lowest power consumption and what cpu and power saving methods did you use? Mar 08 13:44:01 * KotH needs some approx numbers what is possible Mar 08 13:47:10 <_av500_> low power when? Mar 08 13:47:21 <_av500_> when off? Mar 08 13:47:47 the PMA430 was pretty low power when clocked at 32kHz ;) Mar 08 13:47:47 system running, but idle/waiting for external events (irq) Mar 08 13:48:07 <_av500_> KotH: can it sleep and wake on irq? Mar 08 13:48:18 that's the idea Mar 08 13:48:38 but i have no clue whether linux supports that sort of thing out of the box Mar 08 13:48:52 <_av500_> sure Mar 08 13:49:00 <_av500_> omap3 can do that Mar 08 13:49:10 cool Mar 08 13:49:16 <_av500_> you go to "off mode" Mar 08 13:49:23 <_av500_> then cpu is off and only sdram is on Mar 08 13:49:26 <_av500_> in self refresh Mar 08 13:49:38 <_av500_> you configure one gpio as "wakeup" Mar 08 13:49:43 <_av500_> thta brings you back Mar 08 13:50:16 <_av500_> I guess bone cpu can do something similar Mar 08 13:50:16 so, the cpu woould use a 1-2mA tops plus the self refresh power of the sdram? Mar 08 13:50:25 <_av500_> cpu almost 0mA Mar 08 13:50:33 sound cool Mar 08 13:50:42 <_av500_> only thing powered is the wakeup domain Mar 08 13:50:54 <_av500_> running from the 32khz clk Mar 08 13:51:27 <_av500_> KotH: what latency do you need? Mar 08 13:52:43 couple of ms in that state Mar 08 13:53:16 when the system is running, i would have some (weak) realtime constrains Mar 08 13:53:29 <_av500_> well, that part is SW Mar 08 13:53:58 "It's just software, we can do anything" Mar 08 13:54:10 exactly Mar 08 13:54:27 * KotH found some random numbers on power consumption: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OMAP-L138_Power_Consumption_Summary Mar 08 13:54:33 av500: thanks dude! Mar 08 13:54:49 KotH: random indeed..that's l138 stuff Mar 08 13:54:51 <_av500_> I have a bagged L138 for you Mar 08 13:55:08 mdp: it's enough for a guestimate Mar 08 13:55:09 * panto read that as 'I have banged a L138 for you' Mar 08 13:55:10 * _av500_ clicks on all "order sample" at TI Mar 08 13:55:18 clearly I have to have beer today Mar 08 13:55:27 <_av500_> 1 day later random chip is in the mail Mar 08 13:55:30 KotH: um, ok..completely different part/design/etc. Mar 08 13:55:48 might as well take number from the atmel website Mar 08 13:56:07 <_av500_> whoever called that hting omap needs to be taken out back and .... Mar 08 13:56:22 mdp: i need to know how far a linux system can go and what the approx numbers are... i know that i need to specify a certain processor to get hard numbers Mar 08 13:56:27 KotH: despite the name...it is a davinci part Mar 08 13:56:35 oh.. oh kay... Mar 08 13:56:52 well Mar 08 13:56:58 <_av500_> mdp: we used to offmode DM6441 too Mar 08 13:56:58 the processor is a small portion of the board Mar 08 13:56:58 a HPA part Mar 08 13:57:17 <_av500_> mdp: with help from a MSP430 Mar 08 13:57:24 <_av500_> and a gate on sdram clock Mar 08 13:57:31 homebrew Mar 08 13:57:33 hehe Mar 08 13:57:34 <_av500_> since dm6441 sdram cfg would kill self refresh too early Mar 08 13:57:38 <_av500_> yes Mar 08 13:57:49 mdp: yes, but i know how to tame the other parts :) Mar 08 13:57:57 ah, so the MSP430 was the PMIC already before gen6 :) Mar 08 13:58:08 <_av500_> dm8tbr: msp430 was in gen4 Mar 08 13:58:10 <_av500_> and 5 Mar 08 13:58:19 <_av500_> then we replaced it with atmel :) Mar 08 13:58:24 <_av500_> cheaper... Mar 08 13:58:27 boo Mar 08 13:58:27 ah, that way around Mar 08 13:58:37 taking food from the mouths of my babies Mar 08 13:58:42 _av500_: cheaper? Mar 08 13:58:45 <_av500_> but feeding mine Mar 08 13:58:50 <_av500_> KotH: yes Mar 08 13:58:52 _av500_: still same power consumption as with the msp430? Mar 08 13:58:53 ok, then ;) Mar 08 13:59:02 <_av500_> KotH: dont know the details Mar 08 13:59:05 ok Mar 08 13:59:13 <_av500_> I get presented HW and told make it work Mar 08 13:59:21 last time i had a look the msp430 were much leaner than any atmel part Mar 08 13:59:23 <_av500_> I object and get told that chinas has already made 10k Mar 08 13:59:31 lol Mar 08 13:59:45 over the wall engineering Mar 08 13:59:54 <_av500_> then we agree to change it later but that never happens Mar 08 14:00:05 <_av500_> because nobody wants to risk changing it any more :) Mar 08 14:00:28 unless parts get discontinued short notice Mar 08 14:00:34 <_av500_> yes Mar 08 14:02:49 that's ST style Mar 08 14:04:50 <_av500_> KotH: mostly LCDs Mar 08 14:05:02 <_av500_> e had prod geerations where the final LCD in prod was the 4th Mar 08 14:05:31 <_av500_> proto != DVT != DMT != prod Mar 08 14:06:12 <_av500_> now its easy, iPad has standardised LCDs :) Mar 08 14:12:19 lol Mar 08 14:36:22 ugh, now quilt-native won't build. Sure, all I need to do is 'bitbake gadget-init'. Sure. :( Mar 08 14:36:53 anything -native is a problem with your host distro Mar 08 14:37:03 check the logs and try to google Mar 08 14:37:24 yeah, it is the version of patch Mar 08 14:38:44 good to get through this stuff, but distracting when trying to solve other stuff as well. Mar 08 14:39:05 shoragan, here? Mar 08 14:45:33 <_av500_> koen: when you get grep advice from your dad, is that time to leave g+? :) Mar 08 14:47:30 ah man, my email provider is getting slower by the day :( Mar 08 14:47:40 panto, yes Mar 08 14:48:05 shoragan, just pushed a fix for your resolution problems for tilcdc Mar 08 14:49:57 http://pastebin.com/fxXujWwW Mar 08 14:53:01 _av500_: I was thinking the same :) Mar 08 14:59:26 <_av500_> koen: http://pastebin.com/SxycpshX Mar 08 14:59:32 <_av500_> koen: any idea? Mar 08 14:59:45 <_av500_> that booting the angstrom rootfs over NFS Mar 08 14:59:49 <_av500_> that's Mar 08 15:01:20 oh my Mar 08 15:02:00 dunno Mar 08 15:02:03 I don't use nfs Mar 08 15:02:15 and a rootfs with a connectionmanager won't support nfs by definition Mar 08 15:05:23 <_av500_> time for biuldroot I guess Mar 08 15:05:36 <_av500_> koen: the funny thing, it worked the first time when I forgot to make nfs RW Mar 08 15:05:41 <_av500_> then I just could not login Mar 08 15:07:27 _av500_: I asked both connman and nm upstream about nfsroot support Mar 08 15:07:34 both refuse to support it Mar 08 15:08:35 <_av500_> okok Mar 08 15:08:37 but shouldn't that just be a static interface definition? Mar 08 15:08:37 <_av500_> I get it Mar 08 15:08:48 <_av500_> yes, I read that somewhere Mar 08 15:09:13 <_av500_> dm8tbr: but then, do you have an idea how hard that is to set up with conmanndbus Mar 08 15:09:42 * dm8tbr never used connman only nm Mar 08 15:10:03 and there it's just adding the interface to /etc/network/interfaces or to a blacklist file and you're done Mar 08 15:10:12 NM won't touch that interface Mar 08 15:10:29 dm8tbr: only if you have the ifupdown loading in nm Mar 08 15:10:38 dm8tbr: and configured it to leave those alone Mar 08 15:10:49 dm8tbr: which is *not* the default for NM installations Mar 08 15:11:02 hmkay, maybe debian ships with sane defaults then Mar 08 15:11:16 debian doesn't ship with nm by default Mar 08 15:11:29 so it is configured as an add-on Mar 08 15:12:03 <_av500_> I dont need networking on the bone Mar 08 15:12:08 <_av500_> so no bridge foo Mar 08 15:12:26 so disable connman/nm/whatever for nfsroot Mar 08 15:12:28 <_av500_> ill just put an archos rootfs :) Mar 08 15:13:01 av500: when can we expect the BB500 to ship? ;) Mar 08 15:13:08 or will it be the BB430? Mar 08 15:13:19 <_av500_> btw, pearl has a mini wifi camera Mar 08 15:13:27 <_av500_> like ping pong ball sized Mar 08 15:13:34 neat Mar 08 15:13:41 <_av500_> we solderd uart and got shell Mar 08 15:13:53 av500 linux Mar 08 15:13:58 <_av500_> 2,6,25 + uboot Mar 08 15:14:02 <_av500_> 2.6.25 Mar 08 15:14:03 write to gpl-violations Mar 08 15:14:12 <_av500_> woglinde: maybe it hasa GPL notice Mar 08 15:14:20 * _av500_ does not read paper Mar 08 15:14:45 hm just write if harald is in the mood because its german company Mar 08 15:15:09 <_av500_> as I said, I did not check Mar 08 15:15:23 av500 how much does it cost? Mar 08 15:15:25 _av500_: connman now has "ethernet provisioning" Mar 08 15:15:40 aka pre-defined static ip addresses for ethernet Mar 08 15:15:46 <_av500_> ah Mar 08 15:15:47 av500 they do not know about GPL Mar 08 15:15:55 its pearl Mar 08 15:16:22 which can be defined in a plain text config file Mar 08 15:17:44 <_av500_> koen: I changed it back to "ro" and it boots until login Mar 08 15:17:47 <_av500_> which then fails Mar 08 15:22:54 av500 its systemd Mar 08 15:23:15 eew Mar 08 15:23:59 gm mru Mar 08 15:24:36 troll troll troll Mar 08 15:34:03 <_av500_> dm8tbr: http://clubduh.com/blog/2012/01/29/mini-review-ai-ball-wireless-camera/ Mar 08 15:34:07 * panto scrollbacks and read about nfsroot and connman Mar 08 15:34:17 upstream people are idiots Mar 08 15:38:25 panto: connman is an especially odd project, they seem to be puppets to someone but never express who Mar 08 15:39:04 jackmitchell: intel/meego Mar 08 15:39:10 I know they're Intel backed (solely I believe) but I think they're hired out to the highest bidder Mar 08 15:39:43 * koen just wants a connection manager that handles modern wifi with a gui Mar 08 15:40:00 koen, if they are intel puppets ask you know who Mar 08 15:40:02 and where the gui doesn't have to handle the heavy lifting Mar 08 15:40:09 rootnfs is a big deal for our work Mar 08 15:40:22 have him twist a few arms Mar 08 15:40:39 * jackmitchell just wants a simple easy to configure network connection manager Mar 08 15:41:21 <_av500_> what I currently have in suse 12.1 is awful Mar 08 15:41:29 <_av500_> NetworkManager Mar 08 15:41:31 I really like the ArchLinux netcfg Mar 08 15:41:40 and netctl (with added systemd) Mar 08 15:41:43 <_av500_> including the awful gui Mar 08 15:42:08 but it's got pretty much every bashism imaginable, hence no good for a busybox system Mar 08 15:45:20 I think what really made me despair with connman (and to be fair they have kind of fixed it the with ethernet provisioning) Mar 08 15:45:38 is that you couldn't configure an ethernet interface when a cable wasn't plugged in... Mar 08 15:45:49 _av500_: Hey, did you set aside fastboot u-boot patches since you solved your need another way? Mar 08 15:46:09 panto: what's your /proc/cmdline for nfsroot? Mar 08 15:46:26 console=ttyO0,115200n8 run_hardware_tests debug root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=10.10.0.1:/mnt/spare2/panto/dev/bone-rootfs,nolock rw ip=10.10.0.36:10.10.0.1::255.255.255.0:::off Mar 08 15:46:36 thanks Mar 08 15:47:37 <_av500_> panto: and what is your rootfs? Mar 08 15:47:45 <_av500_> Tartarus: ? Mar 08 15:47:48 angstrom Mar 08 15:48:02 _av500_: The fastboot patches for u-boot I pointed you at a few days ago Mar 08 15:48:17 <_av500_> panto: http://pastebin.com/SxycpshX Mar 08 15:48:29 <_av500_> I get this Mar 08 15:49:10 <_av500_> Tartarus: yes, the 2 patches, what about them? Mar 08 15:49:37 _av500_: Any chance you're going to pick them up, finish them and post 'em as something I can merge? :) Mar 08 15:49:39 _av500_, angstrom-v2012.12-yocto1.3 <- branch Mar 08 15:49:41 this kind of looks promising but I haven't investigated much yet: https://gitorious.org/wicked Mar 08 15:49:44 seems to boot Mar 08 15:49:55 after you kill stupid connman Mar 08 15:50:04 <_av500_> Tartarus: unlikely atm Mar 08 15:50:10 _av500_: Figured, thanks Mar 08 15:50:32 <_av500_> Tartarus: I can punt you the "made to apply " patches if you want Mar 08 15:50:58 panto: adding ConditionKernelCommandLine=!root=/dev/nfs in /lib/systemd/system/connman.service in the [unit] section should also make it work Mar 08 15:51:14 * koen should add a patch to connman for that Mar 08 15:51:22 koen, please do Mar 08 15:51:27 for now I just removed the service Mar 08 15:51:28 _av500_: sure, thanks Mar 08 15:51:28 <_av500_> lets try that while buildroot compiles :) Mar 08 15:59:15 <_av500_> koen: is there some lowlevel systemd debug for kernel cmdline? Mar 08 16:02:41 _av500_: not sure Mar 08 16:13:35 <_av500_> systemd.log_level=debug systemd.log_target=kmsg log_buf_len=1M Mar 08 16:15:00 <_av500_> does nothing Mar 08 16:33:55 <_av500_> does http://www.freedesktop.org have any uptime? Mar 08 17:22:45 <_av500_> koen: your bone kernels have magic sysrq on serial? Mar 08 17:23:10 they should Mar 08 17:23:53 <_av500_> ah, does Mar 08 17:25:45 <_av500_> strange, when Im in the systemd crash, it does not work Mar 08 17:27:06 av500 still fighting with systemd? Mar 08 17:27:13 why not using good old sysvinit Mar 08 17:29:59 what's 'good' about it? Mar 08 17:30:07 noone is using it Mar 08 17:30:20 gentoo uses openrc Mar 08 17:30:25 debian make Mar 08 17:30:31 i am usibg it in qemu image Mar 08 17:30:36 Ubuntu upstart Mar 08 17:30:46 android whatever Mar 08 17:31:01 the rest systemd Mar 08 17:31:31 <_av500_> and buildroot whatever buildroot uses Mar 08 17:40:55 why sysrq, your paste mentioned a core dump Mar 08 17:41:15 mourning Mar 08 17:41:21 so just fire up gdb Mar 08 17:41:30 hi ka6sox Mar 08 17:42:05 howdy woglinde ...hopefully today I'll sort out ALSA (well the little corner I'm concerned about) Mar 08 17:42:34 whats with alsa? Mar 08 17:42:47 other than what's usually up with it? Mar 08 17:43:21 panto, +1 Mar 08 17:43:35 sound no workie Mar 08 17:44:02 on what? Mar 08 17:44:08 just unmute Mar 08 17:44:24 and disable pulse Mar 08 17:44:25 no data being sent to the HDMI chip Mar 08 17:44:41 woglinde, first thing I did was disable pulse Mar 08 17:44:47 (didn't help) Mar 08 17:45:04 oh okay hdmi Mar 08 17:46:00 when I hear "McAsp" I am reminded of the line in ROTLA Mar 08 17:54:24 <_av500_> aholler: no core dump Mar 08 17:54:54 <_av500_> that would be too easy Mar 08 17:54:55 check /proc/foo, I assume you have to enable it Mar 08 17:55:33 <_av500_> I did `ulimit -c unlimited` and `sysctl kernel.core_pattern=/%t-%e-%p.core` Mar 08 17:55:44 <_av500_> I need more? Mar 08 17:56:26 /proc/sys/fs/suid_dumpable Mar 08 17:56:31 maybe Mar 08 17:56:55 ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww the stench of CONNman doesn't go away Mar 08 17:57:02 write a 1 there Mar 08 17:57:11 man 5 proc Mar 08 17:57:25 ih, forgot, angstrom doesn't know man ;) Mar 08 18:06:11 aholler: works fine over here Mar 08 18:06:28 it's installed by default on the factory beaglebone images Mar 08 18:06:31 with all the man pages Mar 08 18:06:38 congrats Mar 08 18:07:18 now at least we can throw rtfm around here ;) Mar 08 18:10:19 besides rtfs and rafb ;) Mar 08 20:06:06 <_av500_> 40kbit/s from github Mar 08 20:06:09 <_av500_> awesome Mar 08 20:07:06 _av500_: welcome to 1998? Mar 08 20:08:20 maybe it's cloudy today Mar 08 20:08:59 <_av500_> yeah Mar 08 20:09:43 * mranostay tries to remember 1998 Mar 08 20:10:29 <_av500_> hehe Mar 08 20:11:36 easy - dozen missile test, some new viruses, some disasters Mar 08 20:11:42 like every year Mar 08 20:11:50 boring Mar 08 20:12:19 * _av500_ remembers being bored Mar 08 20:13:16 mranostay: I can see how that might be hard for you Mar 08 20:14:15 heh Mar 08 20:14:36 someday i won't be the youngest Mar 08 20:14:39 someday Mar 08 20:15:35 I don't remember this "June 3 – Eschede train disaster: An InterCityExpress high speed train derails between Hannover and Hamburg, Germany, causing 101 deaths." Mar 08 20:17:24