**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 15 02:59:58 2013 Mar 15 04:44:38 Hi Mar 15 04:44:51 what resources are there for me to get started using RTOS on the beaglebone Mar 15 04:44:53 ? Mar 15 04:45:10 ideally would like to use some open source RTOS Mar 15 04:55:34 * mranostay faceplams Mar 15 04:55:50 heh Mar 15 04:57:38 mranostay, I'm surprised it isn't Face->Floor...as early as we got up :P Mar 15 04:58:49 no ##@$ Mar 15 04:59:12 *some* people are *just* getting up. Mar 15 05:05:02 woot for not torching bridges btw :P Mar 15 05:07:18 ka6sox-farfarawa: so HDMI giving you hell still? Mar 15 05:10:09 Hi, what resources are there for me to get started using RTOS on the beaglebone? Mar 15 05:10:30 * mranostay scrolls up for the facepalm Mar 15 05:10:39 personofinterest: running RT linux? Mar 15 05:11:03 mranostay, since 6am(when we got off the first call) I've been working non Stop... Mar 15 05:11:18 and you *know* how late it is here. Mar 15 05:12:05 ka6sox-farfarawa: wtf are you? Mar 15 05:12:20 StuporMan? Mar 15 05:13:27 ka6sox-farfarawa: are you using the datasheet? Mar 15 05:13:40 ds2, for what? Mar 15 05:19:53 RTLinux is fine Mar 15 05:20:00 any type of linux would work Mar 15 05:20:06 ta da! Mar 15 05:20:12 or any type of rtos Mar 15 05:20:14 but you asked for an RTOSD Mar 15 05:20:16 -D Mar 15 05:20:26 I just want to learn about RTOS and implement something on the bone. Mar 15 05:20:32 * mranostay does the ds2 dance Mar 15 05:21:06 personofinterest: jsut Mar 15 05:21:59 jsut? Mar 15 05:22:08 mranostay, I spent the day trying to figure out how to prevent people at this site I was working on from having FLKs Mar 15 05:22:26 you 'just' want to learn RTOS.. thats not a 'just' a small topic Mar 15 05:22:41 gotta start some where Mar 15 05:22:47 whoa this Modelo is kicking in Mar 15 05:23:38 no driving for you Young mranostay Mar 15 05:25:21 heh Mar 15 05:25:51 I think I can now declare the site safe from radiation... Mar 15 05:29:17 wtf is ka6sox-farfarawa doing? Mar 15 05:30:24 getting headers for the beagle seems to be quite a challenge Mar 15 05:30:31 adafruit has some Mar 15 05:30:33 "19" Mar 15 05:30:41 for about $5 each Mar 15 05:30:41 interesting people are really helpful right now D: Mar 15 05:31:00 mranostay, he is wishing he was asleep instead of getting ready to drive down into the fog Mar 15 05:31:09 personofinterest: what kind of creature are you? Mar 15 05:31:19 personofinterest, I've been up and working for 16+hrs today... Mar 15 05:31:30 one of the first thigns in #beagle is to work out if you are tasty Mar 15 05:31:36 ya Mar 15 05:32:20 ka6sox-farfarawa: working on 'side projects' Mar 15 05:32:42 mranostay, only 1.5hrs of that..the rest has been work work. Mar 15 05:32:54 ka6sox-farfarawa: need a hug? Mar 15 05:32:59 ya Mar 15 05:33:32 I don't want to get into fight or anything, but if your working 16 hr why are you on an irc chat? Mar 15 05:34:19 fight.. fight.. fight... Mar 15 05:34:50 because I am waiting for the guy to finish inputting the data into the application and do a final run so I can declare we have a winner! ding ding ding Mar 15 05:35:27 and how would we know if you are tasty... precious... Mar 15 05:35:32 watch out for trolls Mar 15 05:36:02 they steal your socks Mar 15 05:36:14 <_av500_> what with all the epic nicks these days? Mar 15 05:36:33 _av500_, you don't like? Mar 15 05:36:33 <_av500_> do you all have unlimited internet or what? Mar 15 05:36:41 tab completion FTW Mar 15 05:36:42 whats the internet Mar 15 05:37:02 <_av500_> ka6sox-farfarawa: its not about tab completion Mar 15 05:38:18 awwwww..now we will never know Mar 15 05:38:26 <_av500_> :) Mar 15 05:38:31 alright, trolls, this hobbit has take his dog for a walk Mar 15 05:40:30 * _av500_ crosses into mordor Mar 15 05:41:10 ka6sox-farfarawa: for the HDMI chip youare working on Mar 15 05:42:02 this is a LOT less about that chip and a LOT more about getting things into shape for DT. Mar 15 05:43:17 ok Mar 15 05:47:40 mranostay, I'm afraid your cape is tuned to the wrong frequency for me... Mar 15 05:48:22 crap it is a _av500_mort Mar 15 06:02:48 morning lyakh Mar 15 06:03:41 * mranostay shakes poms-poms Mar 15 06:09:27 I guess I can sleep when I am DEADBEEF Mar 15 06:13:18 * mranostay shakes poms-poms for ka6sox-farfarawa Mar 15 06:14:08 yay! we are finally down below 200uW/m! Mar 15 06:14:43 or 163ma/M flux Mar 15 06:15:33 * mranostay shakes poms-poms for ka6sox-farfarawa again Mar 15 06:18:10 ka6sox-farfarawa: morning Mar 15 06:24:00 finally... got ogre running in fb0 on 3530 board :) now I can sleep Mar 15 06:25:23 thurbad, you can sleep when you are dead.... Mar 15 06:25:38 yeah,,, then too Mar 15 06:27:18 Holy crap, they've dropped in price. Mar 15 06:27:19 http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/M41T93SMY6F/497-6890-1-ND/1880268 Mar 15 06:27:23 Best. RTC. EVAR. Mar 15 06:27:47 it has its 32.768khz crystal onboard Mar 15 06:28:38 that's the canadian price, even. US is $5.24 in singles Mar 15 06:30:20 Shadyman, cheer down...you will wake up the dead. Mar 15 06:30:44 ka6sox-farfarawa: At least I was loud enough if you could hear me from far far away Mar 15 06:34:17 :) Mar 15 06:36:15 too many pins Mar 15 06:37:09 7.5mm 18pin SOIC isn't *too* bad Mar 15 06:38:00 I much rather use the QFN16 Mar 15 06:38:13 but it is SPI Mar 15 06:38:24 don't have spi ports to burn Mar 15 06:39:25 getting to really like QFNs Mar 15 06:39:55 ds2, I can barely deal with QFN's..we did some drivers that were QFNs recently...25% load error Mar 15 06:40:35 ka6sox-farfarawa: how are you mounting them? Mar 15 06:40:48 so far I been getting 100% on them Mar 15 06:42:24 we had a screen and used that for paste..then manually placing :P Mar 15 06:43:50 hot air? iron? oven? Mar 15 06:45:15 oven Mar 15 06:45:49 I see Mar 15 06:46:03 hot air + wire solder so far has been 100% Mar 15 06:46:25 but I do flux it a lot. could it be the oven is uneven? Mar 15 06:48:08 more likely uneven paste Mar 15 06:48:29 more uneven then hand application of wire solder? Mar 15 06:52:09 ds2, I think too much and bridging Mar 15 06:52:50 oh Mar 15 06:53:06 guess I won't be trying out paste soon then Mar 15 06:53:22 moaning Mar 15 06:53:40 +1 Mar 15 06:55:21 okay Ron, starting a 700GB run @540Mb/s Mar 15 06:55:33 focus follow eyes. Mar 15 06:59:48 what is awa? Mar 15 07:00:12 +y Mar 15 07:00:36 right now I'm 1.3km UP Mar 15 07:01:03 QFN' are not so bad Mar 15 07:01:22 mrpackethead, I'm going to use one for my next project... Mar 15 07:01:32 what is UP? Mar 15 07:01:37 what makes that RTC the best? Mar 15 07:01:55 aholler, above sea level. Mar 15 07:02:55 doesn't sound much, are you from the netherlands? Mar 15 07:03:14 is it temp compensated? Mar 15 07:03:26 no, but the surrounding land is @ sea level (or maybe 10m) Mar 15 07:04:40 moaning Mar 15 07:05:31 mranostay, it is DGPS corrected. Mar 15 07:05:49 whoops... mrpackethead its DGPS corrected. Mar 15 07:05:49 :D Mar 15 07:06:08 what is DGPS? Mar 15 07:06:16 Differential GPS Mar 15 07:06:29 mmm Mar 15 07:06:37 Though, what's a cheap DGPS receiver go for? Mar 15 07:07:01 There's the NEO-6M you can get for ~$10, but it needs some supporting electronics still Mar 15 07:07:02 don't think they're ever cheap Mar 15 07:07:16 dunno, this one is $2000 (of course the Rubidium standard that goes with it helps increase the cost) Mar 15 07:07:23 ^ Mar 15 07:07:29 so, you are reseting the RTC against GPS time Mar 15 07:08:10 but the RTC itself does nto have a DGPS Mar 15 07:08:14 thats external is'nt it Mar 15 07:08:27 Hmm, I wonder. Can you synchronize time over bluetooth? Mar 15 07:08:39 I'm displining the oscillator to have the wavefronts be in sync with the next station up the line Mar 15 07:08:53 I mean, sure, you can just send a serial string, but curious whether there's a standard for it Mar 15 07:09:05 hid Mar 15 07:09:38 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14159373/find-date-and-time-of-other-devices-using-bluetooth :/ Mar 15 07:10:05 hmm Mar 15 07:10:11 i'm being much more boring Mar 15 07:10:16 and using a DS1339 Mar 15 07:10:18 on my new cape Mar 15 07:10:25 mrpackethead: Oh, you. Mar 15 07:10:54 mrpackethead: You could be lazy and just drop a header in for one of these: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/281016584042?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619 Mar 15 07:11:13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_clock Mar 15 07:11:19 yes, but thats more work than doing it proerly Mar 15 07:11:28 true Mar 15 07:11:33 my mouser order today was almost $2000 Mar 15 07:11:42 mrpackethead: Winning! Mar 15 07:11:43 that was just various bits for proto projects Mar 15 07:11:58 ynezz: That's one way. Mar 15 07:12:04 the cheapest solution probably Mar 15 07:13:02 I could always drop in a $20 Wiz820io ethernet module and just use that to get NTP time Mar 15 07:13:57 if your device is connected Mar 15 07:14:00 ynezz, we are doing this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_clock#GPS_clocks Mar 15 07:14:09 which i can not guarrentee! Mar 15 07:14:29 www.ebay.ca/itm/MSF-Atomic-Clock-Receiver-Module-Rugby-Atomic-Clock-/230928764521 Mar 15 07:14:50 mrpackethead: Hence the RTC? :) Mar 15 07:15:10 yes Mar 15 07:18:10 Shadyman: ok, if you've internet available, why would you use GPS? Mar 15 07:18:44 bcause you woudl almost certianl get more accurate time from the GPS Mar 15 07:18:48 ynezz: Well, not necessarily available. I'm not going to be running ethernet over to my nightstand. Mar 15 07:18:54 and that. Mar 15 07:19:07 NTP is not really good for syncronizing events... Mar 15 07:19:29 even a cheap GPS with PPS and NMEA output will do much better than NTP Mar 15 07:19:40 close enough for "logs" but not for any serious work. Mar 15 07:19:41 NTP is just convienet for a raft of servers Mar 15 07:19:50 yes, for logging Mar 15 07:19:55 and datasbases Mar 15 07:20:09 mrpackethead: But would PPS output even without a GPS lock? Mar 15 07:20:18 my data would be destroyed with that kind of accuracy. Mar 15 07:20:30 ka6sox-farfarawa: Kill ALL the dataz! Mar 15 07:21:24 how's the DGPS coverage thesedays? (excluding WAAS) Mar 15 07:21:35 sucky Mar 15 07:22:11 wahat about including WAAS? Mar 15 07:22:22 close enough for approaches. Mar 15 07:22:46 ka6sox-farfarawa: hm, but how does the GPS clock performs inside the buildings? dcf77 works quite well Mar 15 07:23:12 ynezz, the receiver is outside and has a cable only for data and power. Mar 15 07:23:34 so cable galore Mar 15 07:23:48 up to 300m but then there is clock skew. Mar 15 07:24:02 just get a cesium clock Mar 15 07:24:06 what the hell are you measuring? Mar 15 07:24:16 hehe Mar 15 07:24:17 ds2, we use rubidium Mar 15 07:24:35 I could get a fountain clock..but don't have the space. Mar 15 07:24:49 ka6sox-farfarawa: how physically large is a rubidium clock? Mar 15 07:24:56 never seen it in person Mar 15 07:25:11 2X2X5" Mar 15 07:25:12 IIRC it's a server-rack type thing. 1U? 2U? Mar 15 07:25:18 ah, nevermind. Mar 15 07:25:29 nice Mar 15 07:26:48 the box its in is a bit bigger Mar 15 07:27:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhwbxEfy7fg Mar 15 07:27:39 obligatory Dick-in-a-Box SNL skit. Mar 15 07:27:52 sucker runs quite hot. Mar 15 07:28:32 dig a hole for the clock Mar 15 07:28:36 okay this is going to run all night...and I need sleep. Mar 15 07:28:58 g'nite Mar 15 07:29:58 okay the constellation looks good and I am outta here. Mar 15 07:30:35 mrpackethead: what cape are you cooking? Mar 15 07:32:57 btw: http://datenkrake.org/ Mar 15 07:35:30 sounds interessting Mar 15 07:35:53 yummy, I like RJ-45 Mar 15 07:37:27 is it possible to follow someone on twitter with g+? Mar 15 07:38:27 nope Mar 15 07:38:41 you can get an RSS feed though Mar 15 07:39:13 but they've killed greader, so this is not an option :) Mar 15 07:39:29 right Mar 15 07:40:14 rj-45 ucks Mar 15 07:40:22 aholler: what does it do? Mar 15 07:40:27 I'll delete the G+ also probably, since they could nuke it next spring Mar 15 07:40:36 av500: sounds like ols Mar 15 07:41:34 but I don't know, depends on what sw will be available Mar 15 07:42:09 maybe they'll add rss support to g+? Mar 15 07:42:31 if find bus pirate, ols and all that stuff only interesting because of the readily available sw ;) Mar 15 07:44:35 but I assume they use the datenkrake to attack the ps3 or similiar Mar 15 07:45:05 ah av500 mentioned datenkrake already :) Mar 15 07:45:44 * dm8tbr wonders if it will be banned by regimes and their hacker legislation... Mar 15 07:46:21 banning fpgas? Mar 15 07:46:46 or the software on them Mar 15 07:47:15 think germany's anti hacker software law Mar 15 07:47:33 define hacker Mar 15 07:47:45 dumb law Mar 15 07:48:22 the are all security researchers Mar 15 07:48:40 +y Mar 15 07:49:37 we know that, for govts it all looks like nails that they can wield their only tool at, a hammer Mar 15 07:52:21 nist got hacked ;) Mar 15 07:53:27 the server was a windows box Mar 15 07:53:28 but at least they noticed quickly Mar 15 08:00:03 reminds me at those military simulators and drone cockpits which got infected ;) Mar 15 08:05:48 hmm, this Model M needs to get used too Mar 15 08:05:54 it's sitffer Mar 15 08:05:58 stiffer even Mar 15 08:06:59 let it get infected and become a malware throwing thingy, whatever model m is ;) Mar 15 08:07:32 I doubt you can infect the chip inside an ibm keyboard from the 80s Mar 15 08:07:49 that was done Mar 15 08:08:51 ya, thats easy Mar 15 08:09:19 infect me then :) Mar 15 08:09:20 I think I've seen a video from 28c3 where someone did that Mar 15 08:10:35 he infected the keyboard-chip inside a thinkpad Mar 15 08:12:58 why is it so difficult to just go on line and book some airfares around the world Mar 15 08:13:06 hmm, two Ms from 1988, one is ST, the other is Motorola Mar 15 08:13:30 no TI? Mar 15 08:14:14 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_6805 Mar 15 08:15:33 I guess its ROM'ed inside the Model M Mar 15 08:17:13 uefi will make such much easier, it offers a standardized api ;) Mar 15 08:18:44 I'm awaiting a password-app which stores them in uefi-vars. Mar 15 08:19:08 please, uefi is awesome Mar 15 08:19:12 so is secure boot Mar 15 08:20:24 this channel is filling up with bots Mar 15 08:20:46 koen: cant it stay in the channel? Mar 15 08:20:57 bigbeaglebrother Mar 15 08:20:59 s Mar 15 08:27:09 hmm, theres a cc2560 inside the pebble Mar 15 08:28:11 anyone been to sweededn/norway Mar 15 08:28:31 mru has Mar 15 08:30:42 it's cold there Mar 15 08:33:04 indeed Mar 15 08:33:07 x2 Mar 15 08:37:33 here too, but it looks like it might become better: http://imagebin.org/250348 Mar 15 08:41:20 ynezz: usians often use GPS for clocks, because the coverage of WWVB is much worse than DCF77 or Allouis Mar 15 08:42:31 what did people use before GPS Mar 15 08:42:54 ynezz: not to mention that not-using some phase modulation and simply relying on amplitude modulation makes it not easy to do high precision sync Mar 15 08:43:27 mrpackethead: GPS has been around for ages... high precision time transfere was not much of an issue when GPS was introduced Mar 15 08:43:53 you did'nt answer the question though Mar 15 08:43:54 mrpackethead: but alternative systems are WWVB/DCF77/MFP..., Loran and the like Mar 15 08:43:54 :-) Mar 15 08:44:13 sand glass Mar 15 08:44:14 :-) Mar 15 08:44:17 are there some datas available about how often the gps-time was fooled? Mar 15 08:44:21 and for those, that need ultimate precision, it's two way satelite time transfere :) Mar 15 08:44:37 aholler: fooled? Mar 15 08:44:41 whats a couple of a few seconds Mar 15 08:44:43 :-) Mar 15 08:45:19 it's under control of the military Mar 15 08:45:21 mrpackethead: enough to screw things up badly Mar 15 08:45:49 only if you do serious stuff Mar 15 08:46:01 my life is about thing where if we get it wrong, no one dies Mar 15 08:48:33 aholler: afaik, the Y signal was not even encrypted in the first years. and since 2000-something the C/A signal is not degraded anymore Mar 15 08:49:00 aholler: also, these days GPS is important enough that the military cannot just switch it off anymore Mar 15 08:49:18 in god we trust Mar 15 08:49:27 aholler: quite a bit of the cellular network would fall apart Mar 15 08:49:33 juup Mar 15 08:49:55 I remember that they did that Mar 15 08:50:37 aholler: interestingly: although the military can switch off the civilian signals selectively for certain regions, they never did in iraq or afghanistan... because they had too few military gps receivers and thus had to rely on civilian receivers :) Mar 15 08:51:08 but yes. there are people who dont trust gps too much Mar 15 08:51:15 KotH: thats what they tell you Mar 15 08:51:21 e.g. the us coast guard is trying to revive loran-C Mar 15 08:51:41 (after they dismanteled all transmitters just 3 years ago) Mar 15 08:52:53 but i know that in Basrah, 6 months after the invasion, GPS worked just fine. Mar 15 08:53:08 Basra. Mar 15 08:53:47 apple will introduce iWatch soon Mar 15 08:53:52 then all your time issues are solved Mar 15 08:54:01 if its anything like apple maps :) Mar 15 08:54:03 av500: they already did, and got sued by the swiss railways ;) Mar 15 08:54:04 when going from Kuwait to Basra, why do you have to travel at 140km/hr Mar 15 08:54:20 I think gps has problems with broken satelites without replacements Mar 15 08:54:25 because RPG's go 130 Mar 15 08:54:58 aholler: there are IIRC 4 replacement satelites in orbit Mar 15 08:55:20 can't be too much in an GPS sat Mar 15 08:56:31 thats why galileo takes that long ;) Mar 15 08:57:18 actually, the galileo satelites are quite a bit more complex than the newest gps birds :) Mar 15 08:57:35 beagle-sat Mar 15 08:57:48 and also getting threatened by usians to get shot down if they implent their superior navigation system doesnt help either Mar 15 09:00:56 KotH: only by accident Mar 15 09:00:58 oops... Mar 15 09:02:02 anyway the russians and chinese are having alternatives too. Mar 15 09:03:18 doesn't have the i* already a chip which is able to use glonass? Mar 15 09:04:07 iwatch wont' ahppening Mar 15 09:04:21 unless you can put iphone in iwatch Mar 15 09:04:35 it's a carplet Mar 15 09:04:54 a true fanbois will need both Mar 15 09:05:50 aholler: glonas is not fully operational atm, but the russians are working on it. the chinese system is china only and not intended for global use, similar as the japanese sysstem that is japanese only Mar 15 09:06:54 plenty of time around Mar 15 09:07:05 i'm building a system that will let me navigate from the ktichen to the living room Mar 15 09:07:38 * aholler suggest remote controllable bulbs Mar 15 09:07:53 you just need a phone to turn them on Mar 15 09:08:00 sounds like something humans can do Mar 15 09:09:26 mrpackethead: mine are adjoined with no wall Mar 15 09:09:49 keeps things simple Mar 15 09:10:00 get a portabple microwave, problem solved Mar 15 09:12:33 or a rice cooker with android ;) Mar 15 09:13:11 aholler: you get my world Mar 15 09:13:23 no need to do hard stuff Mar 15 09:13:31 when theres easy stuff that makes children happy to do Mar 15 09:13:32 :) Mar 15 10:14:55 hello Mar 15 10:21:37 hey greek! Mar 15 10:21:45 hey turk! Mar 15 10:23:42 hey coffee drinkers Mar 15 10:23:47 amen! Mar 15 10:23:54 all praise coffee Mar 15 10:26:37 all hail jesus frankenstein. Mar 15 10:27:41 * KotH praises the coffee Mar 15 10:27:55 .o0(while drinking an prince of wales) Mar 15 10:37:07 Hej guys, was somebody booting up a script for user button in angstrom? (beagleboard-xm) I need some help Mar 15 10:37:32 dont ask to ask, just ask Mar 15 10:37:52 av500: he didnt ask to ask, he just stated that he needs help Mar 15 10:37:58 office coffee sucks Mar 15 10:38:06 mru: not here Mar 15 10:38:10 he he :)) I cannot find a way to boot it up, because what I found does not work Mar 15 10:38:18 you've coffee at work??? Mar 15 10:38:29 * av500 has Mar 15 10:38:39 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11152657/angstrom-start-up-processes-beaglebone Mar 15 10:38:57 I was trying this, but my angstrom does not have such folder at all Mar 15 10:39:04 So I am kinda confused Mar 15 10:39:08 then it might be older Mar 15 10:39:16 define "my angstrom" Mar 15 10:40:09 KotH: you don't?! Mar 15 10:40:26 2.6.32 Mar 15 10:41:44 to be precise, what uname -mrs gives: Linux 2.6.32 armv7l Mar 15 10:42:03 right Mar 15 10:42:07 so you have an old angstrom Mar 15 10:42:11 that is not systemd Mar 15 10:42:20 to which the above would apply Mar 15 10:43:17 hmm, did ondemand break in 3.8? It seems to be stuck at the lowest freq even when builidng kernels :/ Mar 15 10:43:56 hmm, all my 4 cores rev up nicely when building kernels.... Mar 15 10:44:30 av500, do you know the correct way to boot up script (as I cannot change version because it is provided by university ) Mar 15 10:44:49 older angstrom is sysinit based Mar 15 10:44:55 add it to rc-local or so Mar 15 10:45:03 okay, thanks :) Mar 15 10:45:58 av500: it used to do here as well, but apparently not with 3.8 Mar 15 10:46:37 Linux tux2 2.6.27.56-0.1-pae #1 SMP 2010-12-01 16:57:58 +0100 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Mar 15 10:46:38 :) Mar 15 10:46:42 av500: during a kernel build it's only spending ~5% in c0, and at ~800MHz Mar 15 10:46:45 heh Mar 15 10:47:01 oh well, performance it is instead then Mar 15 10:48:34 mru: we get a brown liquid, if you mean that... but i wouldnt call it coffee Mar 15 10:48:47 ah, I see Mar 15 10:49:24 you might not believe it, but i'm more picky with coffee than with chocolate :) Mar 15 10:49:35 I didn't know that was possible Mar 15 10:50:23 * KotH makes the impossible possible Mar 15 10:51:06 I am new to pull up resistors. I am trying to use the BeagleBone to write to an EEPROM device (it requires a pull up resistor). The pull up resistor is connected from EEPROM input to Vdd. If I connect a GPIO to the EEPROM input, will it be damaged? Mar 15 10:51:33 the GPIO is not (5V tolerant) Mar 15 10:52:05 depends on what voltage Vdd has Mar 15 10:52:14 and the size of the resistor Mar 15 10:52:27 and its resistance Mar 15 10:52:28 and how lucky you are Mar 15 10:52:46 i thought you didnt believe in luck? Mar 15 10:52:56 I don't Mar 15 10:53:05 nevertheless some things depend on it Mar 15 10:53:25 but you believe in misfortune? Mar 15 10:53:43 not falling in that trap Mar 15 10:54:12 damn! Mar 15 10:54:14 Pull Up Resistor = 1k , Vdd = 5V Mar 15 10:54:31 bpetersen: in short: dont Mar 15 10:54:33 The EEPROM is Maxim integrated DS24B33 Mar 15 10:54:51 how do I make it work then? Mar 15 10:55:05 bpetersen: in long: it is probably safe, but you rely on the protection diodes on the pin to protect it and drive it constantly with about 2mA, which isnt something these diodes like Mar 15 10:55:22 why do you need a pull up in the first place? Mar 15 10:55:32 why dont you have an EE guy at hand that tells you that stuff? Mar 15 10:55:39 and where is my pizza? Mar 15 10:56:16 Thats what the data sheet says; This EEPROM uses a 1-wire protocol and it leeches power from that (there is no power pin) Mar 15 10:56:35 why is the eeprom running at 5V? Mar 15 10:56:43 and not at 3.3V like the rest of the circuit? Mar 15 10:57:17 * KotH doubt the system works when you drive it from a 3.3V system while it is powered from 5V Mar 15 10:57:21 :) you made my day haha Mar 15 10:57:35 it can work at 3.3V, i didnt realize it Mar 15 10:57:48 I always associate 5V with Vdd Mar 15 10:57:50 KotH: depends on the logic levels it uses Mar 15 10:57:53 RTFD... as usual Mar 15 10:58:01 many 5V devices will accept 3.3V logic levels Mar 15 10:58:11 mru: it's most likely a cmos circuit, where the logic levels scale with operting voltage Mar 15 10:58:24 there's still a threshold somewhere Mar 15 10:58:26 unless otherwise specified Mar 15 10:58:43 if that's well below what you're driving with as 'high', it'll work Mar 15 10:59:10 usually a logic high is well under half the supply voltage Mar 15 10:59:12 yes, the threshold of modern cmos processes is usually somewhere around 1 to 1.5V, but that's not the switch over woltage Mar 15 10:59:44 I didn't say it's a good idea Mar 15 10:59:49 but it can work Mar 15 10:59:55 actually, it's a bad idea in most cases ;) Mar 15 11:00:07 most things are Mar 15 11:00:32 driving a cmos circuit between V_LH and V_HL is a good way to destroy them Mar 15 11:01:51 (both n and p channel fet will then be conducting...) Mar 15 11:02:06 that does sound bad Mar 15 11:02:28 juup it is Mar 15 11:04:18 sounds like fun Mar 15 11:04:25 smoke signals ftw Mar 15 11:04:42 * KotH has heard rumors on how this looks when Vdd is 1kV Mar 15 11:05:08 I've seen plenty of circuits fried by 1kV Mar 15 11:05:17 if you're lucky you can tell how many pins they had Mar 15 11:07:34 * KotH is once again stuck with a simple programming problem... Mar 15 11:07:43 someday, i should learn how to write code Mar 15 11:08:02 meanwhile, feel free to pay me to do it :) Mar 15 11:08:20 mru: my offer still stands :) Mar 15 11:08:27 forms of payment negotiable Mar 15 11:08:39 chocolate? ;) Mar 15 11:08:48 here's a 20% discount coupon for Lidl Mar 15 11:09:03 ynezz: are you trying to start a war? Mar 15 11:09:52 no, trying to get shot with bullets made of dark chocolate Mar 15 11:11:43 how do you accelerate bullets of dark chocolate without melting? Mar 15 11:11:55 with dark energy Mar 15 11:11:58 beer can do that Mar 15 11:13:36 gravity too Mar 15 11:14:02 relative to a lot of things, all known chocolate is _already_ moving at high speed Mar 15 11:16:26 especially its disapearing velocity is very high Mar 15 11:20:09 ...“being South African and likeable are seldom good bedfellows. Yeah he’s bit of a chippy tit, but at least he hasn’t shot his girlfriend while she was taking a piss recently”. Mar 15 11:20:40 I've met several nice people from SA Mar 15 11:23:08 did they shot their gf while she was taking a piss? Mar 15 11:23:13 although a friend of mine insists her south african mother-in-law is a right bitch Mar 15 11:23:28 and she doesn't usually say that about people Mar 15 11:24:17 http://wtflinux.wordpress.com/ Mar 15 11:25:02 nice theme Mar 15 11:25:14 the opensuse articel is hilarious Mar 15 11:25:21 even has a token greek Mar 15 11:25:28 panto? Mar 15 11:25:42 no, that can't be panto Mar 15 11:25:44 too much hair Mar 15 11:26:06 what? Mar 15 11:26:40 ...There was also a “Chill-out” zone with comfortable seating (incredibly hard sofas with ergonomic lumbar supports) and a Greek bloke gaffa taped to a chair that party goers could beat the shit out of.... Mar 15 11:27:30 dunno, I'm not that easy to get my ass kicked Mar 15 11:27:48 panto: as I said, can't be you Mar 15 11:27:53 although I admit using SuSE back in the days before the Novell mess Mar 15 11:29:32 that's some confession Mar 15 11:29:38 http://ahsoftware.de/suse.jpg Mar 15 11:29:48 messie Mar 15 11:30:03 professional! Mar 15 11:30:17 6.1 runs on 386 without 387 Mar 15 11:30:25 have to conserve that Mar 15 11:30:33 landfill Mar 15 11:32:02 and 6.1 has a floppy to boot from ;) Mar 15 11:35:01 the books in the boxes were very good. Mar 15 11:35:21 many people here could need them ;) Mar 15 11:42:24 a lot of except steps inside Mar 15 11:43:02 uups, exact Mar 15 11:43:16 damn, newsblur is slow Mar 15 11:43:22 feedly is plain ugly Mar 15 11:43:26 * av500 is sad Mar 15 11:43:44 maybe something will turn up before the shutdown Mar 15 11:43:56 yeah Mar 15 11:43:58 otherwise we'll all have to go back to working Mar 15 11:44:04 damn Mar 15 11:44:05 and _that_ is a scary thought Mar 15 11:44:12 where will I get cat content from? Mar 15 11:44:45 become a follower Mar 15 11:45:05 I am Mar 15 11:45:11 I follow RSS feeds Mar 15 11:45:25 rss feeds the troll Mar 15 11:45:30 :) Mar 15 11:46:52 install kde and rssnow Mar 15 11:47:14 for just reading some rss, kde feels a bit bloated Mar 15 11:47:25 aholler: its not abourt reading RSS Mar 15 11:47:38 its about doing that synchronised over 5 devices Mar 15 11:47:39 I want something that syncs across devices Mar 15 11:47:45 yep Mar 15 11:47:52 newsblur android app sucks too Mar 15 11:48:09 and feedly does not even have a website Mar 15 11:48:15 it wants to install a borwser extension Mar 15 11:48:18 WTF? Mar 15 11:48:22 are they all on drugs? Mar 15 11:48:25 wtf Mar 15 11:48:29 i receive rss on every device, no need to sync them Mar 15 11:48:30 back to the 90s! Mar 15 11:48:31 get feedly for chrome Mar 15 11:48:34 get feedly for FF Mar 15 11:48:48 aholler: sync the feeds and what's been read Mar 15 11:48:49 aholler: well, I like to sync what has been read Mar 15 11:49:16 i should have added a ;) Mar 15 11:49:32 ;) Mar 15 11:50:56 * dm8tbr wonders ho hard it would be to just merge rss feeds into one on a server Mar 15 11:51:06 e.g using 'planet' Mar 15 11:51:38 what would that solve? Mar 15 11:52:03 I want them turned into nntp Mar 15 11:52:04 one feed (from your own server) to subscribe to on all your devices Mar 15 11:52:16 that does not sync Mar 15 11:52:30 sync as in mark read? Mar 15 11:52:30 and I like to read "per feed" Mar 15 11:52:36 dm8tbr: yes Mar 15 11:52:39 ah, IC Mar 15 11:52:42 and "star" for laters Mar 15 11:52:53 which for readr meant "forever" Mar 15 11:53:18 mru: turning it into nntp shouldn't be too hard. quick and dirty would probably work using thunderbird and message rules Mar 15 11:53:39 dm8tbr: and how do I read that one the phone? Mar 15 11:53:50 mru asked for it Mar 15 11:53:55 so he'll know Mar 15 11:53:56 that's an orthogonal problem Mar 15 11:54:00 right Mar 15 11:54:06 mru: and how do you sync nntp over devices? Mar 15 11:54:15 [12:53:56] that's an orthogonal problem Mar 15 11:54:23 now we span 3 dimensions :) Mar 15 11:54:25 you could convert the to emails and store in imap Mar 15 11:54:39 +articles Mar 15 11:54:40 I don't want to store all that junk on my servers Mar 15 11:54:54 janne: I pondered doing that in gmail Mar 15 11:55:07 but then you need a mail reader that can show "folders with unread" only Mar 15 11:55:08 mru: ^^^ Mar 15 11:55:25 and it would need to be a 2nd gmail account Mar 15 11:56:29 nah Mar 15 11:57:10 must be painful to fear missing a news item Mar 15 11:57:24 no Mar 15 11:57:39 aholler: but I do not tell you how to organize your life Mar 15 11:57:43 so dont tellme Mar 15 11:57:48 av500: I just realized, how about bridging it simply to IMAP, there you have read/unread and can probably also tag somehow Mar 15 11:57:57 its like all the people now saying "RSS is dead use twitter" Mar 15 11:58:15 some blogs are like books Mar 15 11:58:21 you want to read every chapter Mar 15 11:58:24 av500: i never did Mar 15 11:58:29 not what scrolls by by accident Mar 15 11:58:32 I think I'll try that concept out with my server Mar 15 11:58:42 dm8tbr: that can be done Mar 15 11:58:55 but you need a good mailer that can hide all unread folders Mar 15 11:59:02 instantly Mar 15 11:59:07 ack Mar 15 11:59:28 one could maybe hack on k9 Mar 15 11:59:29 but that becomes a separate exercise :) Mar 15 11:59:34 into a speacial version Mar 15 12:00:07 but ::effort:: Mar 15 12:01:12 k9 can already do selective display Mar 15 12:01:13 * dm8tbr likes the imap concept... really have to try that Mar 15 12:01:22 extending that to key on unread messages should be possible Mar 15 12:02:28 dm8tbr: yeah, imap came to my mind too Mar 15 12:03:48 esp. as I use thunderbird for rss-feeds anyway Mar 15 12:05:13 switch to outlook.com as heise commenter suggest it Mar 15 12:06:01 he now removes google from everything, like a miffed kid Mar 15 12:07:19 yep Mar 15 12:07:30 degoogle it! Mar 15 12:10:09 "vom regen in die traufe..." Mar 15 12:10:25 ripoff: http://www.ebay.de/itm/MSP430-LaunchPad-von-Texas-Instruments-MSP-EXP430G2-/151009147508?pt=Wissenschaftliche_Ger%C3%A4te&hash=item2328d8ba74 Mar 15 12:10:32 its even the old one with the crap MSP Mar 15 12:11:10 oh, it's almost like stock exchange Mar 15 12:11:24 you buy for $4.30 wait one year and sell for 6EUR :) Mar 15 12:12:06 yep Mar 15 12:13:16 time to buy 1k or RPIs Mar 15 12:13:29 s/or/of/ Mar 15 12:13:57 with bitbang-pro kit of course Mar 15 12:13:58 rare pis Mar 15 12:14:30 and pack that mpeg decoder licence keygen with it Mar 15 12:14:42 lol Mar 15 12:14:47 food Mar 15 12:14:57 clear Mar 15 12:35:29 * mdp discovers the existence of a devel board exchange Mar 15 12:35:46 I built uboot for the bone using the latest sources from denx and codesourcery arm-none-eabi- but it hangs after "readenv() failed ...". Did someone produce a patch for this ? Mar 15 12:36:07 people are successfully using u-boot... Mar 15 12:39:48 yup, I copied the wrong MLO; sorry Mar 15 13:12:56 we need more wriness: http://southerntelecom.com/polaroidsupport/firmware/1.jpg Mar 15 13:13:43 so if I back up, I lose the data? Mar 15 13:13:46 what if I don't? Mar 15 13:14:18 now the real question is, is that an exact step? Mar 15 13:14:18 double data Mar 15 13:15:20 almost as good as my english ;) Mar 15 13:39:05 mru: i remember you rambling about the (over)use of volatile once. is the using of volatile in a struct blah { volatile uint32_t reg1; volatile uint32_t reg2}; where reg1 and reg2 are cpu registers the right way to use volatile? Mar 15 13:39:35 what does that mean? Mar 15 13:39:41 80% Mar 15 13:40:09 are you accessing mmio stuff? Mar 15 13:40:26 i have peripherials in a cpu (like uart, spi etc) and multiple of them. i would like to "abstract" the access using a struct which i use as the type of a pointer to access the right registers Mar 15 13:40:26 and said "cpu registers" in error... Mar 15 13:40:41 er.. yes, mmio Mar 15 13:40:42 sorry Mar 15 13:40:42 peripherals are per definition _not_ in the cpu... Mar 15 13:40:54 that's what makes them peripheral Mar 15 13:41:13 I don't like using structs like that at all, actually Mar 15 13:41:23 what would you use instead? Mar 15 13:41:26 but some people do Mar 15 13:41:48 I don't remember what the C spec says about declaring struct members volatile Mar 15 13:42:01 but something about it feels fishy Mar 15 13:42:09 maybe add "static" Mar 15 13:42:11 * KotH is currently reading said specs Mar 15 13:42:29 you probably want to declare "volatile struct foo *bar" instead Mar 15 13:42:43 but that's only half the problem Mar 15 13:42:48 you still need memory barriers or similar Mar 15 13:43:05 depending on the architecture Mar 15 13:43:05 * KotH would hope the compiler would do that automagically ^^' Mar 15 13:43:07 on a PIC? Mar 15 13:43:19 compiler does _not ever_ insert barriers by itself Mar 15 13:43:33 certainly not in response to volatile alone Mar 15 13:43:46 because volatile does not by itself require them Mar 15 13:44:01 typedef volatile int vint Mar 15 13:44:11 stop ti Mar 15 13:44:12 it Mar 15 13:45:03 where and what barriers are needed depends on what those regs are for and on the memory model of the cpu Mar 15 13:45:16 what cpu are we talking about? Mar 15 13:45:20 get rid of volatiles completely Mar 15 13:45:27 use explicit barriers Mar 15 13:45:31 +1 Mar 15 13:45:43 wrap them in access macros/inline functions if need be Mar 15 13:45:55 yes, stop TI Mar 15 13:46:05 volatile has stopped making sense for at least 10 years Mar 15 13:46:26 it's no longer a volatile subject Mar 15 13:46:36 .o0(which would mean, 90% of our low level code does it wrong) Mar 15 13:46:37 IIRC the only valid use for it, is for variables accessed by signal handlers + the main process Mar 15 13:46:38 volatile makes sense if you're modifying a global variable from a C signal handler and use it e.g. as exit condition in a loop Mar 15 13:46:40 .o0(DAMN!) Mar 15 13:46:43 that's what it was meant for Mar 15 13:46:45 but even then, sparringly Mar 15 13:46:54 hehe :) Mar 15 13:47:02 even threads break it Mar 15 13:47:12 yeah, so to recap Mar 15 13:47:17 KotH: 90% of everything is crap Mar 15 13:47:25 volatile=bad (maybe OK for signal handlers) Mar 15 13:47:38 but signal handlers are mostly a bad idea anyway Mar 15 13:47:39 mru: the other 10% are crap and known to be buggy Mar 15 13:47:51 the rule applies recursively Mar 15 13:47:54 ergo 100% of the world is crap Mar 15 13:47:56 lets go grab a beer Mar 15 13:48:00 shopping! Mar 15 13:48:03 * KotH doesnt like beer Mar 15 13:48:10 * mru has seen KotH drink beer Mar 15 13:48:13 chocolate Mar 15 13:48:15 KotH: trade it for chocolate Mar 15 13:48:16 lies! Mar 15 13:48:23 ovomaltine Mar 15 13:48:25 or* Mar 15 13:48:41 ovarytine Mar 15 13:48:48 you people are weird even by weird people standards... Mar 15 13:48:52 ((grouphug)) Mar 15 13:49:12 why? because mdp like ovarytine better than beer? Mar 15 13:49:26 I like nothing better than beer Mar 15 13:49:34 *ovarriestime? Mar 15 13:49:43 mdp: I'll tell that to your wife... Mar 15 13:49:54 hehe Mar 15 13:50:28 she's long accepted my numerous quirks Mar 15 13:50:35 or bugs, perhaps Mar 15 13:50:58 this sounds more like a quirk of hers... Mar 15 13:51:07 she has no quirks Mar 15 13:51:13 none of them have quirks Mar 15 13:51:14 and you still prefer beer? Mar 15 13:51:15 ;) Mar 15 13:51:30 I'm trapped Mar 15 13:51:34 wait, what's the right answer? Mar 15 13:51:40 who said there is one? Mar 15 13:52:02 this is like a conversation with her, in fact Mar 15 13:52:13 omg, he's married to an irc channel Mar 15 13:52:26 mru: volatile struct blah; is equivalent of making all struct members volatile Mar 15 13:52:45 mru, can DT help here? Mar 15 13:52:49 KotH, you place too much faith in the compiler Mar 15 13:52:56 and your memory subsystem Mar 15 13:53:07 * mru has _no_ faith in the compiler Mar 15 13:53:12 panto: i'm currently working with an iar compiler... i've only faith i it failing misserably Mar 15 13:53:24 don't do it then Mar 15 13:53:27 aaaaaaiiiieeee Mar 15 13:53:29 I have some faith in assemblers Mar 15 13:53:40 hex editors are usually ok Mar 15 13:53:41 panto: i want to understand what i'm doing and why it is wrong Mar 15 13:53:42 I have some faith in the brewing process Mar 15 13:53:47 +1 Mar 15 13:54:36 * KotH curses half knowledge Mar 15 13:54:41 * KotH curses himself Mar 15 13:54:51 * av500 curses Mar 15 13:54:52 * KotH curses the world for being inperfect Mar 15 13:55:01 * av500 ncurses Mar 15 13:55:02 just like your spelling Mar 15 13:55:16 * panto termcaps Mar 15 13:55:18 some embedded compiler foo needs voilatile Mar 15 13:55:23 mru: ^^' Mar 15 13:55:36 mru: i've never said my english or my spelling is perfect Mar 15 13:55:36 woglinde: you only believe that Mar 15 13:55:47 mru I am not using it Mar 15 13:55:48 of course not Mar 15 13:55:51 it's just purrfect Mar 15 13:55:53 woglinde: good Mar 15 13:56:01 * mru has faith in cats Mar 15 13:56:19 KotH, in a nutshell, for a modern SoC with re-ordering load/store memory subsystem, even volatile doesn't get you anything Mar 15 13:56:21 mru I am not using in java either Mar 15 13:56:28 (assuming the compiler respects it) Mar 15 13:56:31 woglinde: better Mar 15 13:56:50 panto, where modern means some pretty old SoCs Mar 15 13:56:57 for low-end micros, sure, it might work for a while Mar 15 13:57:06 mdp, yeah, that's why I said 10y earlier Mar 15 13:57:10 but there is plenty use of it in classpath Mar 15 13:57:14 it only works because most compilers implement it conservatively Mar 15 13:57:17 and in the oracle jvm too Mar 15 13:57:36 a compiler implementing volatile strictly per spec would break a lot of code using it incorrectly Mar 15 13:57:37 the moment they try to make their crappy cpu faster, it's going to stop working Mar 15 13:57:43 mysteriously even Mar 15 13:57:46 the solution is to work in java/python/ruby Mar 15 13:58:06 and js Mar 15 13:58:06 mdp even in java you only have very few use cases Mar 15 13:58:13 then you can rely on even more s/w of dubious origins Mar 15 13:58:26 av500: no, jkridner isn't around Mar 15 13:58:33 * panto tries to remember last time he used volatile Mar 15 13:58:49 (for a signal handler, yesterday :) ) Mar 15 13:58:55 panto haha Mar 15 13:59:05 panto: yeah.. i slowly get that Mar 15 13:59:30 according the the specs, volatile only protects me from being optimized out and being reordered Mar 15 13:59:34 koth erase voilatile from your knowledge Mar 15 13:59:38 KotH: it doesn't do that Mar 15 13:59:46 (while not spelling out reordered means) Mar 15 13:59:48 * mdp tries to remember the last time he used explicit barriers....hrm...every day. Mar 15 13:59:56 mru: ? Mar 15 14:00:04 afk for 10 Mar 15 14:00:12 KotH: the memory system will reorder behind your back Mar 15 14:00:24 oh.. right... Mar 15 14:00:24 volatile _might_ stop the compiler reordering things Mar 15 14:00:26 or not Mar 15 14:00:57 usually you care about the order of the 'volatile' access relative to normal things too Mar 15 14:01:05 not just volatile with itself Mar 15 14:01:11 * KotH suddnely feels glad for not working on systems with advanced memory systems Mar 15 14:01:35 even arm11 can screw you here Mar 15 14:01:45 powerpc and power Mar 15 14:01:56 eieio Mar 15 14:02:09 mru: hmm? arm11? i would have guessed arm9 would too? Mar 15 14:02:10 +1 Mar 15 14:02:32 it just goes to show that you have to grok the h/w Mar 15 14:02:48 * KotH currently doesnt grok anything Mar 15 14:03:08 ah yes, arm926 does have a write buffer Mar 15 14:03:12 going one step further..if you don't get what posted writes versus delayed reads are in PCI(e) land..you are also screwed Mar 15 14:03:36 and processor barriers don't help you there Mar 15 14:03:45 and to get your head spinning properly, read about the need for read barriers on alpha Mar 15 14:03:49 but it's the same concept Mar 15 14:04:47 KotH: this is one of many reasons I look on with amusement at the hope of making Linux as simple as Arduino..or stated efforts in that direction Mar 15 14:05:03 mru: just to confuse me completly: cortex-m* does allow for read/write buffers? Mar 15 14:05:15 * mru checks Mar 15 14:05:44 mdp: i have never tried arduino.. so i dont know how simple it is Mar 15 14:05:56 mdp: and i dont understand what you mean by "making linux simple" Mar 15 14:06:40 yes, cortex-m3/4 have a write buffer Mar 15 14:06:52 cool Mar 15 14:07:03 only single-entry though Mar 15 14:07:09 but a buffer nonetheless Mar 15 14:07:16 * KotH makes a note on having to rewrite the whole in-house arm framework Mar 15 14:07:31 hmm? does it allow for reordering? Mar 15 14:08:03 or is it just a "if you cannot write imediatly, keep it and write as soon as possible"-buffer? Mar 15 14:09:48 mru: or let me ask the other way round: where in the ARM ARM do i find that info? Mar 15 14:10:11 in the armv7-m manual, section 3.7.2 Mar 15 14:10:16 domo! Mar 15 14:10:24 this is not the same as v7-a Mar 15 14:10:51 * KotH knows Mar 15 14:11:11 short version: armv7-m allows some reordering Mar 15 14:12:12 actual implementations probably don't reorder much if at all Mar 15 14:18:13 mru: i guess that's what saved us so far Mar 15 14:18:21 otherwise the whole code would be broken Mar 15 14:18:33 that's frequently the case Mar 15 14:24:44 morning! Mar 15 14:25:07 gm voilatile mranostay Mar 15 14:25:10 *g+ Mar 15 14:27:08 mranostay: you seem overly cheerful, is everything ok? Mar 15 14:27:24 its friday mru Mar 15 14:27:58 yes what woglinde said Mar 15 14:28:26 2 dull weekend days ahead Mar 15 14:28:43 indeed Mar 15 14:43:11 let's all troll Crofton Mar 15 14:43:28 Crofton: TROLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! Mar 15 14:43:46 heh Mar 15 14:45:32 lets throw catfood at Crofton Mar 15 14:48:55 * Crofton wonders what he did Mar 15 14:50:33 * mranostay find it funny Crofton thinks he has to do anything Mar 15 14:50:42 av500: wet or dry cat food? Mar 15 14:50:51 mranostay: dead mice Mar 15 14:51:17 mourning Mar 15 14:53:25 ka6sox-away: TROOLLLOLLOLO!! Mar 15 14:54:02 the channel has to many trolls lately Mar 15 14:55:20 need some fresh meat in here Mar 15 14:55:25 troool Mar 15 14:55:32 woglinde: quiet you Mar 15 14:56:20 maybe (after yesterday's marathon) today will be normal.. Mar 15 14:56:34 heh Mar 15 14:57:10 normal trolling Mar 15 14:58:20 something like that. Mar 15 14:58:53 TROLLCON level 4: light trolling in the afternoon Mar 15 15:00:42 ka6sox-away: turn that frown upside down Mar 15 15:00:52 mru: which ccs did you download for the 6678? Mar 15 15:00:59 5.3 Mar 15 15:01:02 * mranostay digs around for a hello kitty picture for ka6sox-away Mar 15 15:01:16 av500: that's the only one that even tries to work Mar 15 15:01:51 mranostay, you be back quiet Mar 15 15:02:16 av500: it won't work with the config files supplied with the demo kits though Mar 15 15:02:29 thankfully it can generate config files that do work Mar 15 15:02:35 mru: just the free version? Mar 15 15:02:39 which makes me wonder what the config files are for in the first place Mar 15 15:02:51 av500: I did not pay for it Mar 15 15:03:14 I guessed that much Mar 15 15:03:18 CCS5.3.0.00090_linux.tar.gz Mar 15 15:03:37 http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Download_CCS Mar 15 15:03:39 yeah Mar 15 15:03:46 sounds about right Mar 15 15:04:04 * av500 wonders what the "remeber me" checkbox on myti.com does Mar 15 15:04:14 not a lot Mar 15 15:04:23 it never remembers me....hates me Mar 15 15:05:37 wtf export control for CCS? Mar 15 15:05:50 1.4GB?? Mar 15 15:05:52 wtf Mar 15 15:06:04 TI hates us all Mar 15 15:06:20 Xilinx is 5GB Mar 15 15:06:24 it probably contains at least 6 copies of java Mar 15 15:06:30 av500: that could be a album title Mar 15 15:07:05 mru, only 6? Mar 15 15:07:15 I bet this CCS will calsh with my MSP430 CCS :) Mar 15 15:07:16 ka6sox-away: for the minimal installation Mar 15 15:07:17 clash Mar 15 15:07:38 it's actually quite common for these things to include one jre for the installer only, which then installs a few more for actual use Mar 15 15:07:58 I always install ccs in a sandbox as its own user Mar 15 15:08:00 you can never have enough jres! Mar 15 15:08:17 it tramples all over the place otherwise Mar 15 15:08:26 mru: reminds of crappy window apps that have all the dll's it needs. no matter if the system already has them Mar 15 15:08:28 instead of fixing the kind of crap that requires different jre's Mar 15 15:08:50 wasn't java supposed to be portable? Mar 15 15:08:51 mranostay: s/crappy/working/ Mar 15 15:09:05 unless linux where 3moths old libs stop working Mar 15 15:09:09 +n Mar 15 15:09:18 av500, -static is your friend Mar 15 15:09:23 sure Mar 15 15:09:28 and LDPRELOAD Mar 15 15:09:35 bundling dlls is tolerable, installing them in windows\system32 is not Mar 15 15:09:50 Linus is an ass****, but at least he understands the importance of stable user-facing kernel APIs Mar 15 15:10:24 but, since this is just C, the static executable is not going to be 1.4G Mar 15 15:11:03 panto: #javaallthings Mar 15 15:11:28 don't get me started about "javaallthings " :P Mar 15 15:11:43 boy, is life going to suck for all the java monkeys in few years when oracle/google ditches java Mar 15 15:11:58 * av500 install platinum edition on XP PC Mar 15 15:12:00 +s Mar 15 15:14:46 panto, did you see that somone on the ML is using the mcasp drivers for 8 channel capture? Mar 15 15:16:12 ka6sox-away, I totally understand Mar 15 15:16:24 I'm thinking of making a telephony/asterisk cape Mar 15 15:16:37 asked him what kernel he was using Mar 15 15:16:40 is he doing voice? Mar 15 15:16:55 ka6sox-away: a java hello kitty! Mar 15 15:17:03 mranostay, hush Mar 15 15:17:13 check your G+ :) Mar 15 15:17:18 nooooooo Mar 15 15:18:01 hehehe Mar 15 15:18:20 panto, he is using ALSA so I dont' know if its voice or music. Mar 15 15:18:30 could be either Mar 15 15:18:50 but yeah, that's the kind of stuff customer will use mcasp Mar 15 15:19:00 the h/w can surely support it Mar 15 15:19:12 s/w on the other hand... Mar 15 15:19:36 don't be running Node while doing that activity... Mar 15 15:19:38 panto: don't confuse us with your facts Mar 15 15:19:52 ka6sox-away, if he's doing voice, he's running asterisk Mar 15 15:20:12 which I dislike for various reasons Mar 15 15:20:34 usually the first app of its kind is not always the best Mar 15 15:20:42 (one to throw away) Mar 15 15:20:58 ka6sox-away: asterisk on a bone? Mar 15 15:21:17 unknown Mar 15 15:21:18 mranostay why not Mar 15 15:21:58 asterisk is weird Mar 15 15:23:14 uuh, crapsterisk Mar 15 15:23:21 mru, telephony is wierd...been working with it for 35yrs...and its getting wierder by the day... Mar 15 15:23:32 * panto wrote an asterisk replacement a good 10+ years ago Mar 15 15:23:39 never went anywhere Mar 15 15:23:53 ka6sox-away, hehe, fellow telecom engineer here Mar 15 15:23:54 ka6sox-away: I've never properly worked with it Mar 15 15:24:01 but what I've seen was weird indeed Mar 15 15:24:24 weird is the kindest thing you can say about it Mar 15 15:24:28 panto, I started on X-Y and last I worked on was NT DMS10 Mar 15 15:24:45 heh Mar 15 15:24:45 I've seen the code running on ericsson's gsm stations Mar 15 15:24:48 scary stuff Mar 15 15:25:02 mru, gsm is _modern_ comparatively Mar 15 15:25:08 no kidding Mar 15 15:25:10 mru: ERLANG! Mar 15 15:25:15 goof we have openbsc Mar 15 15:25:22 av500: there's a lot of C code in there Mar 15 15:25:22 I think I'd like to run erlang on my bone..none of this linux crud Mar 15 15:25:30 15k lines is a small file Mar 15 15:26:02 and then there was the build system Mar 15 15:26:11 you mean the *.bat file? Mar 15 15:26:22 some kind of makefiles largely Mar 15 15:26:44 cross-compiling for ppc on sparc Mar 15 15:28:26 mru: now that is something you don't see everyday Mar 15 15:28:41 this was >10 years ago Mar 15 15:28:43 looks like another long day... Mar 15 15:28:51 mranostay: when you were still in diapers Mar 15 15:29:03 mru, he's out? Mar 15 15:29:06 *2.5h to beer o'clock... Mar 15 15:29:08 TGIF Mar 15 15:29:38 1.5hrs here, counting the seconds... Mar 15 15:29:41 croaked @ 80GB Mar 15 15:30:45 I wish I could say that...just starting now. Mar 15 15:31:37 * mru is stuck in a damn office today Mar 15 15:31:51 mru, it'll be over soon... Mar 15 15:32:21 another hour or so Mar 15 15:32:21 this 64-QAM stuff is nice...till its not :P Mar 15 15:32:52 quasi-absurd modulation? Mar 15 15:33:03 yup Mar 15 15:33:11 no fade margins :P Mar 15 15:43:41 mru: can you explain big.LITTLE to me? Mar 15 15:43:47 why would I have 4 little cores? Mar 15 15:43:55 if I have nothing to do, ony A7 would be enough Mar 15 15:43:59 like in $+1 T3 Mar 15 15:44:02 4+1 Mar 15 15:44:43 if you're running a big xor little setup, you can do a trivial one-to-one migration of stuff when you decide to switch Mar 15 15:44:47 IIRC asymetric combinations are supported Mar 15 15:44:49 yes Mar 15 15:44:54 I get that Mar 15 15:44:58 dm8tbr: yes, correct Mar 15 15:45:04 so I add 3 cores just to make SW simpler? Mar 15 15:45:17 it's just that you have to figure out in the scheduler how to assign tasks to the little core Mar 15 15:45:22 that's the reason for having exactly equal numbers Mar 15 15:45:37 having multiple small cores is still good Mar 15 15:45:41 * panto wears his "Ask me about big.LITTLE and I'll punch your in the face" pin Mar 15 15:45:56 you get all the nice features of multi-core without powering up the big ones Mar 15 15:46:01 * dm8tbr thinks of little big adventure... Mar 15 15:46:27 little is not only for doing nothing Mar 15 15:46:54 consider things like recent android versions that _really_ like multi-core Mar 15 15:47:02 and stutter badly on single-core Mar 15 15:47:04 I do Mar 15 15:47:17 so run it on 2 of the 4 Mar 15 15:47:18 most of the time you'd be running (mostly) on little cores Mar 15 15:47:31 iphone was smooth on 1 core Mar 15 15:47:34 you only need the big ones for heavy processing Mar 15 15:47:37 so it can be done Mar 15 15:47:43 that's beside the point Mar 15 15:47:48 av500: iphone isn't java :) Mar 15 15:48:01 * av500 blames woglinde Mar 15 15:48:04 mru, unfortunately the scheduler is nowhere close supporting big.LITTLE properly Mar 15 15:48:14 that's a sw problem Mar 15 15:48:20 and arm seems hell bend on papering over the problem Mar 15 15:48:23 panto: hint: samsung ships a phone with it :) Mar 15 15:48:30 maybe they can send patches Mar 15 15:48:36 av500, yeah I know, but it's big.LITTLE switcher Mar 15 15:48:42 av500: but samsung uses hard switching Mar 15 15:48:45 yeah Mar 15 15:48:47 not scheuling Mar 15 15:48:48 much easier Mar 15 15:48:53 yes Mar 15 15:48:56 that's just an extension of cpufreq really Mar 15 15:48:59 as I said, 4+4 is to make the SW easier Mar 15 15:49:31 and everybody knows sw people are not that smart Mar 15 15:49:59 which is a big power-hog since if you take some time and see what the scheduler/cpufreq does it will either be: everything on the little cores, everythong on the big cores Mar 15 15:50:13 yeah, far from ideal Mar 15 15:50:25 every thong! Mar 15 15:50:27 *everything Mar 15 15:50:28 you could even ask, why have 4 big cores? Mar 15 15:50:36 yes Mar 15 15:50:36 most of the time, one or two big ones would be enough Mar 15 15:50:36 mru, +1 Mar 15 15:51:06 the *dead SoC that must not be mentioned* was/should/might go that way Mar 15 15:51:19 alas, RIP Mar 15 15:51:23 wow, CCS install runs since 40min now Mar 15 15:51:54 it's optermizing... Mar 15 15:52:00 its on XP Mar 15 15:52:19 panto: resting piecewise with the alpha ev8? Mar 15 15:52:37 av500: full download or the downloading installer? Mar 15 15:52:42 mru, no comment Mar 15 15:53:11 on linux both of them hang halfway through about half the time, if not more Mar 15 15:53:42 mru: from the CD Mar 15 15:54:04 what's a "cd"? Mar 15 15:54:26 or is it "the cd" as in "the moon"? Mar 15 15:54:38 the CD that came in the box Mar 15 15:55:00 av500, woglinde: http://www.amazon.de/Gourmetfleisch-Steakabo-360/dp/B003UMF3JI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_a_1 Mar 15 15:55:32 YES! Mar 15 15:55:47 horse? Mar 15 15:56:34 "a selection of various steaks" Mar 15 15:56:43 KotH at least some people buy this for the price Mar 15 15:57:41 woglinde: in .ch you'd pay twice as much, get only half the steak, and it would taste like a sole Mar 15 15:58:02 check the comments Mar 15 15:59:57 plague! Mar 15 16:00:05 let's all troll prpplague Mar 15 16:00:20 * KotH throws mru at prpplague Mar 15 16:00:37 i admit i am totally troll-able Mar 15 16:01:03 prpplague: don't worry, we won't send you obfuscated links to goatse :) Mar 15 16:01:21 isn't that an email provider now? Mar 15 16:01:32 maybe, I'm not going to check :) Mar 15 16:01:38 * prpplague prepares to place an order with sparkfun Mar 15 16:01:48 alan_o: ah, it's an elaborate troll to make people go there Mar 15 16:02:03 prpplague: I thought you already had a full collection :-D Mar 15 16:02:07 prpplague: maybe you can order me some stuff so we can save on shipping Mar 15 16:02:16 errr... nevermind Mar 15 16:03:27 hehe Mar 15 16:03:36 XorA: there is always something new Mar 15 16:03:46 XorA: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11477 Mar 15 16:04:09 wtf? Mar 15 16:04:25 that is news in the US? Mar 15 16:04:55 * av500 makes a note to bring mirrors and beads next time Mar 15 16:04:58 maybe, like KotH said, we're busy eating twice the steak for half the price :) Mar 15 16:05:18 prpplague: WTF? Mar 15 16:05:46 hehe Mar 15 16:06:56 yea i know it looks like a simple thing, but they work really nice for retro-fitting power supply cords for dev boards Mar 15 16:07:13 and you need sparkfun for that? Mar 15 16:07:17 hi prpplague Mar 15 16:07:24 I buy these in the hardware store across the street Mar 15 16:07:30 panto: greetings Mar 15 16:07:33 * XorA is with av500 on this Mar 15 16:07:36 av500: they dont have all these "baumarkt" to buy that stuff Mar 15 16:08:00 av500: yea, they've been pretty banned in the hardware stores for some time in the states Mar 15 16:08:01 KotH: my "baumarkt" is actually very tiny and actually 1min from my place :) Mar 15 16:08:09 banned? Mar 15 16:08:14 wtf? Mar 15 16:08:15 prpplague: we could have broguth by 100 for 1$ from HK Mar 15 16:08:33 av500: too many idiots adding switches to AC stuff, big liability Mar 15 16:08:51 av500: switching the lights off is an act of public offense... it shows that you have something to hide from others, something you dont want them to see.. thus you cover yourself in darkness Mar 15 16:09:01 prpplague: we like adding switches in the EU Mar 15 16:09:06 prpplague: how is that a liability for the store? Mar 15 16:09:11 prpplague: you folks are doomed Mar 15 16:09:23 because people use parts that aren't rated for what they're doing Mar 15 16:09:30 mounting switches on power leads is perfectly legal here Mar 15 16:09:33 and the government calls it a safety issue Mar 15 16:09:36 for example Mar 15 16:09:44 so Mar 15 16:09:51 as long as it has a wall plug, you can do pretty much whatever you want Mar 15 16:09:54 we're forbidden from buying ceiling fans that have more than 40W light bulbs in them. Mar 15 16:09:58 you cannot buy a cable and a plug and a switch at a hardware store? Mar 15 16:10:04 tampering with fixed wiring is a bit more regulated Mar 15 16:10:19 mru: only in bathrooms and kitchens, rest of house is fair game Mar 15 16:10:20 alan_o: you're kidding? Mar 15 16:10:21 can you buy nails? Mar 15 16:10:25 or only blunt ones? Mar 15 16:10:36 KotH: no, I'm not. Mar 15 16:10:37 foam axes? Mar 15 16:10:51 KotH: People up north go to Canada to buy fans. Mar 15 16:10:52 non-flamable fire wood? Mar 15 16:10:54 av500: generally you can't get anything that extends from the socket Mar 15 16:10:55 XorA: replacing existing stuff is fine, but surely extending the wiring requires an electrician, no? Mar 15 16:11:12 prpplague: and I thought you have a gun problem Mar 15 16:11:14 mru: only in "wet" rooms unless rules changed again in last couple of years Mar 15 16:11:24 alan_o: take these fucking lables off and let the problem solve itself! Mar 15 16:11:32 XorA: so what do electricians do? Mar 15 16:11:35 mru: in "wet" rooms you can only repair not extend/alter Mar 15 16:11:46 KotH: +1 Mar 15 16:11:48 US people, do not click that link: http://www.amazon.de/D%C3%BCwi-791320-H-Schnurzwischenschalter-Schwarz/dp/B0002YZ0S6 Mar 15 16:12:00 mru: new builds where it has to be certified to sell! Mar 15 16:12:02 prpplague: so how can sparkfun sell it? Mar 15 16:12:07 mru: and fit showers Mar 15 16:12:10 terrorist technology! Mar 15 16:12:26 prpplague: here the solution is very easy: the swtiches sold in hardware stores have a rating of 200W and up, so any lamp you use it on is smaller than the switch can do Mar 15 16:12:38 XorA: hmm, sounds like the british rules are more relaxed than the swedish Mar 15 16:12:45 av500: sfe gets away with it generally as a "development tool" Mar 15 16:12:48 prpplague: for bigger stuff you have switches that aren't labled "lamps only" Mar 15 16:12:57 mru: it has been a few years since I last looked at them, but I didnt hear a change Mar 15 16:13:16 KotH: hey, i have no power for any of this.... Mar 15 16:13:28 in sweden there are different levels of certification required for different jobs Mar 15 16:13:32 repair is free for all Mar 15 16:13:37 It's all about liability. If a hardware store sells someone a switch, and the person who buys it uses it beyond its rating, and their house burns down, and then they sue the hardware store for selling them the wrong thing (because the $5/hr cashier told them it would be fine "I guess"), then it's up to a jury of your peers to decide whether the hardware store has to pay cash for the buyer's stupidity. Mar 15 16:13:40 prpplague: it's called common sense! Mar 15 16:13:46 simple extension requires only basic certification Mar 15 16:13:46 prpplague: people have that usually Mar 15 16:13:58 adding more fuses and such requires more Mar 15 16:14:00 etc Mar 15 16:14:01 KotH: i agree, but like i said, no power to make any rules Mar 15 16:14:06 alan_o: I understand Mar 15 16:14:13 prpplague: and people who make regulations usually work under the assumption that their fellow citizens have it Mar 15 16:14:31 alan_o: I just wonder if that is the same "land of the brave" country.... Mar 15 16:14:34 KotH: like i said, no power Mar 15 16:14:51 av500: land of the free, and the home of the brave :) Mar 15 16:14:54 prpplague: werent you living in the land of freedom? Mar 15 16:15:00 [17:00:05] let's all troll prpplague Mar 15 16:15:03 I say, we did Mar 15 16:15:08 lets move on Mar 15 16:15:13 hehe Mar 15 16:15:17 yeah, let's troll kkeller now Mar 15 16:15:25 av500: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKBKeHk7f30 Mar 15 16:15:29 * XorA should have become a swedish sparky Mar 15 16:15:43 KotH: yes, i live in the "land of freedom", but again, no power Mar 15 16:15:44 XorA: you can still buy any parts you want in sweden Mar 15 16:15:49 av500: hehe Mar 15 16:15:52 it's only installing them that's restricted Mar 15 16:16:18 mru: having seen and heard of some of the deathtraps people fit, I think actually stronger certification might be a bonus Mar 15 16:16:35 prpplague: buy your own power plant Mar 15 16:16:43 mru: one ex workmate found his whole upstairs ring was connected to the downstairs ring via lighting cable! Mar 15 16:16:49 XorA: of course rules don't stop people doing stupid things from time to time Mar 15 16:16:51 KotH: hehe not me, hehe Mar 15 16:17:15 anyways... Mar 15 16:17:17 it's friday Mar 15 16:17:20 it's evening Mar 15 16:17:26 * prpplague just does what he can until he can move back to barbados Mar 15 16:17:28 time for trolling people at home Mar 15 16:17:38 indeed Mar 15 16:17:41 KotH, at home or from home? Mar 15 16:17:45 * mru goes off to find a train Mar 15 16:17:47 prpplague: I better get an invite to BBQ in barbados ;-) Mar 15 16:17:50 ka6sox-away: both, actually :) Mar 15 16:18:00 mru: happy looking for :) Mar 15 16:18:01 XorA: will do Mar 15 16:18:24 cya later boys, girls, and girlish trolls Mar 15 16:18:26 XorA, weren't we going to move ELC there next year? Mar 15 16:18:30 a month on beach with a bottle of rum suit me fine ;-) Mar 15 16:18:32 * mranostay cluebats the guy who checked in a kernel driver with 4 _SPACE_ indents Mar 15 16:18:53 can somebody explain the endless troll stuff? Mar 15 16:19:05 keesj: dont wake them! Mar 15 16:19:15 keesj, do you want an explosion? Mar 15 16:19:18 keesj: that cannot be explained, only experienced Mar 15 16:19:34 but can somebody explain it? Mar 15 16:19:43 trolling is as trolling does... Mar 15 16:20:19 it has something to do with hobbitses Mar 15 16:21:09 keesj, I think it has to do with BitBanging. Mar 15 16:22:27 on a more meaningful behalf, can anyone share some insight on how data is passed through /devfb to the DSS? Mar 15 16:23:36 is /dev/fb0 already mmapped straight to the output buffer? or is there some copying involved? if yes, how is it triggered etc? Mar 15 16:23:59 no Mar 15 16:24:07 should be the memory that DSS shows Mar 15 16:24:26 panto: I always thought it was amusing to call here: http://goo.gl/maps/sJAJK .... the number comes from here: http://goo.gl/maps/aLbBL Mar 15 16:24:33 makes for all the nice tearing.... Mar 15 16:25:25 av500: in general or only omap family` Mar 15 16:25:36 hehe Mar 15 16:26:54 panto, but then if somebody is going to shoot something at you ...you don't really want a busy signal... Mar 15 16:27:21 LetoThe2nd: in general Mar 15 16:28:09 av500: i see - but no way of syncing whatsoever, right? Mar 15 16:28:58 LetoThe2nd: yes Mar 15 16:29:04 there are VSYNC ioctls Mar 15 16:29:15 and you can double buffer with dsv/fb Mar 15 16:29:17 dev Mar 15 16:29:24 by moving the active part Mar 15 16:29:51 ah ok. any links to documentation / examples? Mar 15 16:30:50 LetoThe2nd: really= Mar 15 16:30:51 ? Mar 15 16:30:53 sergey Mar 15 16:30:55 larry Mar 15 16:30:58 they did so much Mar 15 16:31:01 all these weekends Mar 15 16:31:11 surfing the net Mar 15 16:31:15 storing Mar 15 16:31:18 hrhr, ack. thx for the pointer. Mar 15 16:31:18 sorting Mar 15 16:31:30 censoring Mar 15 16:31:45 stealing from apple Mar 15 16:33:43 is koen still the gatekeeper of the kernel repo? Mar 15 16:34:04 and guardian of the Kraken Mar 15 16:34:22 ;) Mar 15 16:34:40 he must be, cause he merged my pull request Mar 15 16:34:43 so he's at least one of them Mar 15 16:35:21 ya, i was preparing some this morning and wanted to see who would be throwing darts. Mar 15 16:38:18 mranostay, have you seen my gravatar on github? Mar 15 16:49:38 nice Mar 15 17:24:36 ds2: http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2013/03/15/nandputer-functionally-complete-and-absolutely-necessary/ Mar 15 17:27:39 toggle switches make it authentic Mar 15 17:30:54 mdp, however you can't buy them @ Home Despot Mar 15 17:31:58 cool stuff like that is only found in the electronics bunker building in the low-rent part of the city here ;) Mar 15 17:33:03 All Electronics in LA is like that Mar 15 17:33:51 I've noticed that is a trend in the 3 areas in the .us I've lived Mar 15 17:34:15 bay area doesn't count because they are an anomaly ;) Mar 15 17:35:08 mdp: lovely part of Akron too :) Mar 15 17:35:32 always carry your backup weapon there ;) Mar 15 17:36:27 M1911 works well. Mar 15 17:37:22 airweight for a backup though Mar 15 17:37:25 bah, traditionalists Mar 15 17:37:43 m1911, nand gates… Mar 15 17:38:09 Russ, I can't get my hand around a Glock 40 Mar 15 17:39:12 I only joke Mar 15 17:39:54 sig p220 Mar 15 17:41:31 mdp, chambered in what? Mar 15 17:41:37 45 Mar 15 17:41:45 :) Mar 15 17:41:54 no love for 9mm in here? Mar 15 17:41:57 more modern design ;) Mar 15 17:42:10 Russ, Taurus PT99AF..old faithfull Mar 15 17:42:14 ful Mar 15 17:42:38 Russ, I have no love for .38 or 9mm Mar 15 17:43:05 they all have their place Mar 15 17:43:45 I'd rather have a .380 as a backup. Mar 15 17:43:56 blech Mar 15 17:43:56 Russ: 1911 is better for CA Mar 15 17:44:11 since you can only have 9 rounds may as well make them count :) Mar 15 17:44:25 I just figured with magazine laws, people switch to a larger caliber Mar 15 17:45:00 mranostay, irrelevant, you are permitted to have 0 rounds where all the predators are Mar 15 17:45:01 ka6sox: what county do you live in? Mar 15 17:45:19 wonder how pissed legislatures would get with a magazine that feeds from another magazine Mar 15 17:45:28 it only holds 10 rounds! Mar 15 17:45:37 Russ, ATF would classify it by rules as a single magazine Mar 15 17:45:43 s/rules/rule/ Mar 15 17:45:47 heh Mar 15 17:45:49 awww Mar 15 17:45:54 that's how they roll Mar 15 17:45:55 I'm not clever at all Mar 15 17:46:10 you can't beat The Man Mar 15 17:47:10 mranostay, why does the that matter? Mar 15 17:47:27 Russ, nice design idea for http://defcad.org/ Mar 15 17:49:20 same state... Mar 15 17:51:12 And whoa, Maxim totally 2-day Fedexed my part samples for free. Mar 15 17:51:58 Shadyman, that's how they roll Mar 15 17:52:07 and usually in a massively oversized box Mar 15 17:52:18 haha nah, two bubble mailers Mar 15 17:52:29 each from a different warehouse in CA Mar 15 17:52:44 one requiring approval, one not Mar 15 17:53:47 Well crap, I was exepcting 6 to 8 weeks. Mar 15 17:54:07 ah well, time to prototype Mar 15 17:54:20 Russ, Microchip had a mega-box for my last sample Mar 15 17:54:24 overkill Mar 15 17:54:28 haha Mar 15 17:54:51 Microchip usually sends in a teeny tiny box, placed in an 8.5x11" envelope Mar 15 17:55:40 well, teeny tiny ~= able to hold 8 pdip tubes Mar 15 17:58:17 avnet sent me a 6pin SOIC once...the box was 10"X10"X10" for a part that is as big as a flea. Mar 15 18:01:01 Shadyman: maybe the intern was at the helm my day Mar 15 18:02:04 does anyone know how long seeedstudio post takes to the UK? Mar 15 18:02:17 and is the free Hong Kong air post option ok? Mar 15 18:05:47 sod it, the beer is flowing and the risks are being taken Mar 15 18:06:27 jackmitch|home, takes a while here to the US I know... Mar 15 18:07:01 jackmitch|home: Hong Kong Air is fine. Mar 15 18:07:08 takes about 2 weeks to canada Mar 15 18:07:46 good, cause that's what I've just hit the button on; I've had experiences with EMS before which weren't too good anbd they were the next cheapest option Mar 15 18:11:31 Maximum trollage? Maxim used UPS stick-on plastic invoice holders on their packets Mar 15 18:11:36 and shipped by fedex. Trolololo Mar 15 18:11:52 Such rebels. Mar 15 18:16:43 Not that it matters :/ Mar 15 18:24:15 dudes... can someone explain me why this gay marriage thing is such a big issue in the us? Mar 15 18:26:04 gays will suck on the social concervatives precious bodily fluids Mar 15 18:26:16 or not enough Mar 15 18:26:20 one or the other Mar 15 18:32:54 and another train... Mar 15 18:33:13 mru: where will you keep all those trains? Mar 15 18:33:33 in the tubes Mar 15 18:34:27 our rail system here sucks...nice for what it is..but better elsewhere Mar 15 18:36:28 * KotH has heard that phrase before... in a different context Mar 15 18:37:28 KotH, not sure I want to be 35miles *under* a mountain when they finish that one... Mar 15 18:38:28 * KotH has no problem with that.. as long as it's on this side of the big pond and not an italian tunnel Mar 15 18:39:08 KotH: re gay marriage, the usians must all be closet gays Mar 15 18:39:32 yeah.. figured something like this Mar 15 18:40:07 it's the simplest explanation by far Mar 15 18:40:15 KotH, Gotthard? Mar 15 18:41:17 ka6sox: gotthard, ltschberg,... Mar 15 18:41:25 ka6sox: the swiss mountains are swiss cheese :) Mar 15 18:42:04 yummy Mar 15 18:42:19 how do you think they got the idea for the cheese? Mar 15 18:42:40 and where do you think do we store those 50'000 tanks we have? Mar 15 18:42:54 * ogra_ still wonders why they havent thought of filling the holes with chocolate though Mar 15 18:43:12 in the mountains? Mar 15 18:43:20 waste of good chocolate Mar 15 18:44:10 nah, in the cheese indeed Mar 15 18:44:33 "emmentaler zartbitter" Mar 15 18:44:41 you misundetstand, those are chocolate mines Mar 15 18:45:09 oh, swiss chocolate is made of cheese ? now it all makes sense ! Mar 15 18:48:01 KotH, I always figured the Swiss Army Knives were about mind control (since I was lead to believe that .ch didn't have a standing army) Mar 15 18:49:01 I used to carry a US Army knife Mar 15 18:49:04 ka6sox: uhmm... you call half a million people under arms "not a standing army"??? Mar 15 18:49:12 the stainless ones that are flat on the outside Mar 15 18:49:42 now I'm wondering what that was called... Mar 15 18:50:34 sackmesser Mar 15 18:50:36 or Mar 15 18:50:40 sackhgel Mar 15 18:50:55 KotH, yes, I know...remember the guys we see are the guys @ Vatican City... Mar 15 18:51:08 lol Mar 15 18:51:09 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.futurebytes.ch/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/wenger_groesstes_sackmesser_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.futurebytes.ch/swisstrends/das-grosste-schweizer-sackmesser-von-wenger/10338/&h=362&w=468&sz=33&tbnid=_mnGY_KaxR8OjM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=116&zoom=1&usg=__2lco7DZZQzwwZEfDeIbkJvPXyAE=&docid=CFgmc_XxrbZ3bM&sa=X&ei=iW1DUdSRJZPY9AS2-oCIDw&ved=0CEUQ9QEwAg&dur=2213 Mar 15 18:51:27 ka6sox: that's our elite zealot corps! Mar 15 18:51:54 KotH, crowd control is tough for Army People... Mar 15 18:52:12 KotH, I do like that you keep your weapons in your homes.... Mar 15 18:52:19 :) Mar 15 18:52:25 <_av500_> trolls trolls trolls Mar 15 18:52:54 _av500_, i worked 20+hrs yesterday... Mar 15 18:53:09 <_av500_> so? Mar 15 18:53:31 today is trollday Mar 15 18:53:54 alan_o: actually, that isnt the biggest army knive Mar 15 18:54:07 <_av500_> oh, knife crime Mar 15 18:54:13 alan_o: there are two that are bigger, made by a small knife shop in east switzerland Mar 15 18:54:22 alan_o: about twice the size of that little beauty :) Mar 15 18:54:36 you need a packpack just or the knife Mar 15 18:55:01 alan_o: i think it was an exercise on how many functions you could cram into that thing Mar 15 18:55:27 alan_o: unfortunately, i cannot find a pic of it on the net Mar 15 18:55:48 most important bit...Corkscrew... Mar 15 18:55:54 DOH Mar 15 18:56:10 I totally removed the wrong thing from my Maxim sample cart. Mar 15 18:56:11 ka6sox: no way man, toothpick :) Mar 15 18:56:16 facepalm Mar 15 18:56:45 alan_o, the corkscrew doubles as a toothpick...can't open a bottle with a toothpick :P Mar 15 18:57:03 ka6sox: that makes my teeth hurt just thinking about it. Mar 15 18:57:08 ^ Mar 15 18:57:50 <_av500_> that ti G+ account is gold Mar 15 18:57:56 hehe Mar 15 18:58:11 you really owe me for brightening your life with that one Mar 15 18:59:04 <_av500_> yeah Mar 15 18:59:21 has TI circled you? Mar 15 18:59:27 <_av500_> I think so Mar 15 18:59:34 cool, you are in the club too Mar 15 18:59:42 i'd call that "tainted" Mar 15 18:59:44 * _av500_ high fünfs mdp Mar 15 19:00:11 G+? Club? Wat? :< Mar 15 19:00:21 I like denix's comment Mar 15 19:00:49 whew...escaped that so far... Mar 15 19:02:30 mdp, thats a club ? i thought its a script Mar 15 19:03:56 <_av500_> g+ is where you discuss cement mixers with your girl friend Mar 15 19:04:21 o_0 Mar 15 19:04:29 i must join this! Mar 15 19:04:32 LOL Mar 15 19:04:46 my wife doesn't get g+...so she stays away...on FB Mar 15 19:05:33 so, that club ... can you collect miles and all ? Mar 15 19:05:34 leaving G+ for me to enjoy. Mar 15 19:06:05 ka6sox: we do the same thing...I dictate responses to go to her FB account Mar 15 19:06:09 oh my head hurts. Mar 15 19:06:14 and its not a hang-over Mar 15 19:06:53 <_av500_> hang-under? Mar 15 19:09:26 _av500_, +1...touche Mar 15 19:11:13 so...coffee or nap? Mar 15 19:11:15 that tube driven tablet is a great idea btw ... Mar 15 19:11:22 what is a group of cones called? Mar 15 19:11:30 a murder? a flock? etc? Mar 15 19:11:38 row Mar 15 19:11:59 ka6sox: i see what you did there Mar 15 19:12:42 mranostay, :) Mar 15 19:15:17 <_av500_> wow, Galaxy S4 uses Intel Mar 15 19:15:41 but how will I play angry birds? Mar 15 19:15:53 _av500_, Intel what? Mar 15 19:15:54 pen and paper Mar 15 19:16:14 the original way we played DnD Mar 15 19:16:39 _av500_, what? link? Mar 15 19:16:50 <_av500_> :) Mar 15 19:16:53 isn't it exynos something? :) Mar 15 19:16:56 dammit Mar 15 19:17:02 troll defenses down Mar 15 19:17:05 Hey, Tizen device from Samsung this year Mar 15 19:17:06 _av500_, +1 Mar 15 19:17:07 <_av500_> Intel pmb5745 Mar 15 19:17:13 <_av500_> :-P Mar 15 19:17:19 panto, nobody can spell it. Mar 15 19:17:20 <_av500_> used to be infineon Mar 15 19:17:58 <_av500_> 3g baseband Mar 15 19:18:27 intel 3g? Mar 15 19:18:33 man Mar 15 19:18:35 heh, panto, but reality is they're using qcomm in most of their us phones Mar 15 19:21:26 something isn't quite ok with exynos Mar 15 19:21:33 <_av500_> in S3 they use everything Mar 15 19:21:42 <_av500_> QC, Sammy and even TI Mar 15 19:22:31 tema, imagine that Mar 15 19:22:46 time to go now Mar 15 19:22:58 I have to fill my beer consumption hole Mar 15 19:23:02 <_av500_> kalimera Mar 15 19:23:04 <_av500_> er Mar 15 19:23:06 TMI Mar 15 19:23:12 <_av500_> kalinichta Mar 15 19:31:36 biot: ping Mar 15 19:35:44 hooray, the yost cables I ran actually work Mar 15 19:37:39 <_av500_> yost? Mar 15 19:37:52 its an rj45 rs232 pinout Mar 15 19:38:00 <_av500_> ah Mar 15 19:38:03 so I have one running along with the rest of the cat6 Mar 15 19:38:10 <_av500_> hmm Mar 15 19:38:15 well, a couple Mar 15 19:38:17 <_av500_> I could reuses the cat6 here for serial Mar 15 19:38:32 <_av500_> sprinkle beagles throughout the house Mar 15 19:39:00 yost is what gets used by cisco hardware Mar 15 19:39:13 <_av500_> yeah, I have a baby blue cisce serial cable Mar 15 19:39:21 its nice because it utilizes the twisted pairs the best it can, and it does an automatic crossover Mar 15 19:44:54 hey folks, just fyi if you were a linuxdevices.com fan, a new embedded linux news site is up now as a replacement http://www.linuxgizmos.com Mar 15 19:55:08 <_av500_> yep Mar 15 20:36:00 <_av500_> Russ: from a legal standpoint, what is the copyright by foo line in a GPL file worth? Mar 15 20:36:15 you still own the copyright Mar 15 20:36:19 <_av500_> sure Mar 15 20:36:26 GPL isn't copyright, it's licensing Mar 15 20:36:28 <_av500_> but the line does not change that Mar 15 20:36:41 someone who own the copyright is free to change the license Mar 15 20:36:48 er, owns Mar 15 20:36:54 <_av500_> sure Mar 15 20:37:16 <_av500_> still, if I copy a GPL project and start changing files Mar 15 20:37:16 removing the copyright also infringes the gpl Mar 15 20:37:21 <_av500_> does it? Mar 15 20:37:43 if it says, copyright 2012 _av500_ on the top of every file and you rip that out? Mar 15 20:38:13 Russ: you can't change the copyright, if the licence says you can't. Mar 15 20:38:23 as the licence is a contract Mar 15 20:38:33 and if the contract says, the licence can't be changed. Mar 15 20:38:39 however, its grey Mar 15 20:39:20 GPL is a very scary bit of space Mar 15 20:39:36 its why Linux is not the dominant OS Mar 15 20:40:15 <_av500_> Russ: ah ok, the GPL actually mentions the copyright by line Mar 15 20:40:40 oh, hey, I'm looking back an the actually added it back in Mar 15 20:41:00 anyone know anything about algae? Mar 15 20:41:01 er, nope, they decided not to because I didn't follow their mailing list Mar 15 20:41:31 'this is nice of you doing this, but I requested that he does this by himeself to be able to track this properly' Mar 15 20:42:31 (This is Intel btw) Mar 15 20:42:50 <_av500_> intel has a mailing list? Mar 15 20:44:05 their open source projects have mailing lists Mar 15 20:45:49 I'll just bide my time, wait till some intel enigneer sees intel copyrighted code, copies it for an internal project Mar 15 20:49:06 <_av500_> :) Mar 15 20:53:57 gotta love customers Mar 15 20:54:06 thye come up with the best requests! Mar 15 20:55:10 write my requirements for me? Mar 15 20:55:30 we build fountain lighting Mar 15 20:55:43 one of the clients wants self cleaning lights Mar 15 20:56:09 algae is problem Mar 15 20:56:42 will DT help here/ Mar 15 20:56:43 ? Mar 15 20:57:01 a linux controlled light cleaner Mar 15 20:57:02 ? Mar 15 20:57:19 just throw some fish in there, it'll be fine Mar 15 20:57:28 thres plenty of fish in there Mar 15 20:57:37 and plenty of algae still! Mar 15 20:57:56 can you introduce a better tasting variant of algae? Mar 15 20:58:47 algae beer Mar 15 21:00:33 i wonder if a windscreen wiper arrangment is possile! Mar 15 21:00:59 I know, make the fountain completely dark! Mar 15 21:01:23 one suggestion was to put some UV leds in the fountain Mar 15 21:01:26 light Mar 15 21:03:33 ya, just don't look into the fountain kids Mar 15 21:04:25 <_av500_> lasers!!! Mar 15 21:04:30 <_av500_> and sharks Mar 15 21:05:26 predator algae ... Mar 15 21:08:29 and trolls Mar 15 21:09:19 japanese trolls though ... i think they eat algae Mar 15 21:34:41 is it easier to enclose the fountain and illuminate it with short wave UV Mar 15 21:34:52 the add a dye to the water to make it visible Mar 15 21:34:58 that ought to guarantee no algea Mar 15 21:38:02 geiger algea Mar 15 21:38:30 where's mranostay when you need him? Mar 15 21:38:44 * mranostay pokes i Mar 15 21:38:45 *in Mar 15 21:39:21 or stick a few samples from mranostay's lab and... Mar 15 21:41:06 quick hide. maybe jkridner will think nobody's here Mar 15 21:41:14 * mranostay hides behind _av500_ Mar 15 21:43:57 * ka6sox puts on his Trollproof Suit and asks a Legit Question. Mar 15 21:44:25 * ds2 enables Troll++ Mar 15 21:45:06 when a cape is detected (by its assigned number) at what stage does capemanager do the configuration? Mar 15 21:45:36 uboot, initramfs, after booting? when the stars align? Mar 15 21:48:53 when exactly 13 higgs bosons strike the prependicular surface of the cape Mar 15 21:49:09 <_av500_> is there a macro to print the refcount of a kernel ojbect? Mar 15 21:50:46 ds2, not in my lifetime? _av500_ dunno Mar 15 22:02:37 ka6sox: after booting Mar 15 22:02:52 well define it Mar 15 22:06:26 <_av500_> 0.000001s after systemd Mar 15 22:17:57 okay good Mar 15 22:19:33 ka6sox: btw we will decide in the questions are legit or not :P Mar 15 22:22:55 troooolls...in the basement....thought you should know. Mar 15 22:36:19 <_av500_> there, I send a patch Mar 15 22:36:51 * _av500_ loves fixing code he does not understand at all Mar 15 22:39:04 _av500_: linky poo Mar 15 22:39:23 stop crashing musb! Mar 15 22:39:36 <_av500_> mranostay: BBB ML Mar 15 22:39:42 <_av500_> its not public Mar 15 22:40:01 awwwwwwww Mar 15 22:41:34 av500, ask koen how he feels about musb Mar 15 22:42:01 <_av500_> I dont need to ask koen Mar 15 22:42:09 <_av500_> we have been fighting it for 5 ys Mar 15 22:45:50 prehaps it is time to make peace with it Mar 15 22:46:36 * mranostay looks for a Mentor guy to blame in here Mar 15 22:47:39 drat nobody Mar 15 22:53:35 ds2: secret datasheet? Mar 15 22:53:42 :D Mar 15 22:55:10 so we have to sign away a kidney to NXP to get it? Mar 15 22:59:07 * mranostay takes one of ds2's kidneys Mar 15 23:03:57 mranostay, there are somethings that people just don't ask Mar 15 23:04:48 ka6sox: what did i do now? Mar 15 23:05:30 you know... Mar 15 23:06:03 * mranostay blames Crofton Mar 15 23:13:18 ka6sox: when you doing a cape manager thing for your FPGA cape? Mar 15 23:14:19 who? what? Mar 15 23:14:54 well emeb's Mar 15 23:16:17 aren't you asking the wrong person? Mar 15 23:17:27 cape manager? Mar 15 23:22:25 a more specialize coat checker Mar 15 23:22:36 emeb: dynamic overlays + capes Mar 15 23:22:55 it is a union position so you have a cane manager, top hat manager, and a cape manager :D Mar 15 23:22:58 mranostay: overlays of what? Mar 15 23:23:17 device tree Mar 15 23:23:29 someone hasn't viewed my slides :P Mar 15 23:23:37 Oh, so DT gets a bunch of cape-specific cape-abilities? Mar 15 23:23:50 capetastic! Mar 15 23:23:58 cape-tacular! Mar 15 23:24:18 hate you guys Mar 15 23:24:35 stop neglecting the tophats and canes Mar 15 23:24:43 cape this Mar 15 23:26:14 mranostay: linky to your slides? Mar 15 23:26:42 (why do I always read that as "Mr. Anostay"?) Mar 15 23:28:11 <_av500_> Mr. A - no stay! Mar 15 23:29:22 Agent Smith: "I'm going to enjoy watching you die Mr. Anostay." Mar 15 23:29:26 mranostay, you remind me of Brain...from Pinky and The Brain" Mar 15 23:29:55 <_av500_> brain, uh? Mar 15 23:30:07 So, what will we do tonight? Mar 15 23:30:18 same thing as always.... Mar 15 23:30:19 Same thing we do every night... Mar 15 23:32:12 Try to Take Over the World! Mar 15 23:32:20 prpplague, this is a test... Mar 15 23:32:27 only a test? Mar 15 23:32:41 in the event of an actual... Mar 15 23:32:52 you would have been given instructions Mar 15 23:33:02 to kiss your ass goodbye Mar 15 23:33:16 he was paying attention... Mar 15 23:33:51 where is the first line in this channel you saw after logging in. Mar 15 23:33:54 wasn't accompanied by appropriate modem noises tho Mar 15 23:33:57 from? Mar 15 23:34:52 EBS tones Mar 15 23:34:56 annoying suckers Mar 15 23:35:03 we still use em' Mar 15 23:35:13 interesting - http://dx.com/p/mk808-dual-core-android-4-1-1-google-tv-player-w-1gb-ram-8gb-rom-wi-fi-tf-hdmi-160535?utm_source=dx&utm_medium=cdn&utm_campaign=sub1991 Mar 15 23:35:46 Har: http://llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogo.ch/bu Mar 15 23:35:55 yes but those things are shipped by putting it in a bottle and tossing it into the ocean Mar 15 23:36:52 <_av500_> prpplague: what is so special about this one? Mar 15 23:37:02 <_av500_> compared to the 3 dozen others Mar 15 23:37:51 <_av500_> ok, the google tv logo is a nice touch Mar 15 23:39:03 _av500_: nothing, just haven't been shopping around for those Mar 15 23:39:23 <_av500_> ah Mar 15 23:39:30 _av500_: between elc and starting work for CCO, i've been swamped for the last 45 days Mar 15 23:39:58 _av500_: did you see my omap5 heat sink? Mar 15 23:39:59 <_av500_> rk3066 is not really good for 1080p Mar 15 23:40:07 <_av500_> prpplague: whewre? Mar 15 23:40:14 _av500_: http://dx.com/p/pccooler-hs90h-2000rpm-cpu-heatsink-cooling-fan-for-desktop-black-copper-orange-168517 Mar 15 23:40:18 <_av500_> we know instances where these sticks run 720p only Mar 15 23:40:40 <_av500_> prpplague: too small Mar 15 23:40:54 prpplague, it needs its own gantry crane Mar 15 23:41:06 what about water cooling/ Mar 15 23:41:14 <_av500_> thats cool Mar 15 23:42:24 _av500_, trite Mar 15 23:43:19 * prpplague sees a bunch of emails about the minnowboard and starts walking around with his fingers in his ears chanting "mmmmm,mmmmm,mmmmm not listening!mmmmm,mmmmm,mmmmm not listening!mmmmm,mmmmm,mmmmm not listening!" Mar 15 23:46:08 * mranostay dances Mar 15 23:46:14 _av500_: hair for ELCE? http://dx.com/p/fashion-short-top-curly-hair-wig-brown-68057 Mar 15 23:46:44 prpplague: steal alan_o's Mar 15 23:47:06 <_av500_> prpplague: go for it! Mar 15 23:47:06 mranostay: don't need to, alan_o has enough that we can share Mar 15 23:48:11 _av500_: http://thatschurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/un29090_xl.jpg Mar 15 23:48:20 i can grow my own thank you Mar 15 23:48:52 <_av500_> prpplague: o_O Mar 15 23:48:53 blasted intel GPUs Mar 15 23:49:10 mranostay: i meant alan_o and i can share the hair Mar 15 23:58:11 prpplague: how decent of you sharing his hair Mar 16 00:00:31 prpplague: i'm going to call this a Bacon Cape till you give me a real name :P Mar 16 00:03:08 emeb_mac, if I didnt' hate mucking with ALSA so much I'd build that ducker.. Mar 16 00:03:31 <_av500_> bed time Mar 16 00:03:37 nitey night Mar 16 00:03:52 ducker? Mar 16 00:04:07 <_av500_> mranostay: diagonals! Mar 16 00:05:11 side-chain compressor! Mar 16 00:05:11 christ man :) Mar 16 00:05:35 _av500_: i'm make an diagonal board next Mar 16 00:09:59 <_av500_> youdothat Mar 16 00:11:09 /\/\/\/\/\/ Mar 16 00:11:46 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Mar 16 00:11:55 mranostay, I have 2 audio sources I am listening to...1 is intermittent and the other is music... Mar 16 00:11:58 those will be the traces Mar 16 00:12:09 I want the music to duck when the intermittent comes on. Mar 16 00:12:21 quack Mar 16 00:12:21 intermittent? never heard of that band Mar 16 00:12:53 I give it a 7 but you can't dance to it. Mar 16 00:20:29 prpplague: hehe, how much you want? Mar 16 00:20:46 prpplague: by the way, purple suit, go for it! Mar 16 00:21:36 alan_o: is it like fabric and goes by the yard? Mar 16 00:22:08 sounds about right. Not sure I have full yard though :( Mar 16 00:30:51 alan_o: you need a beard now Mar 16 00:30:59 I wish Mar 16 00:31:06 I have almost no beard Mar 16 00:31:09 looks horrible Mar 16 00:31:20 Well, it's patchy Mar 16 00:31:28 It's probably a good thing Mar 16 00:31:33 I'd be a neckbeard for sure Mar 16 00:32:03 yeah women aren't into those Mar 16 00:33:59 not so much Mar 16 00:39:08 are the trolls asleep? Mar 16 00:39:13 YES Mar 16 00:39:42 wait...its 00:39 where you are...why are you NOT asleep? Mar 16 00:40:05 dude, that's code o'clock Mar 16 00:40:16 or code thirty Mar 16 00:41:20 gn Mar 16 00:41:36 no its 1:41 actually Mar 16 00:41:42 and now I am going Mar 16 00:42:55 nite woglinde Mar 16 01:34:47 sknxxxx - the sound of snoring trolls Mar 16 01:37:37 mru: surprised you aren't in #minnowboard Mar 16 01:38:00 yet *another* channel to troll? Mar 16 01:45:05 my goal is make trolling my day job Mar 16 01:45:23 be like Linus Mar 16 01:48:22 * ka6sox cringes Mar 16 01:58:48 pauling? Mar 16 02:28:20 How do you minimize all windows on Ubuntu 12.04? Mar 16 02:28:38 Oops, wrong chat room? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 16 02:59:58 2013