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Mar 17 05:18:49 <mranostay> ka6sox: hey sleepy
Mar 17 05:20:00 <ka6sox> hiya...
Mar 17 05:20:14 <mrpackethead> hey grumpy
Mar 17 05:20:23 <mrpackethead> seing we are doing seven dwarfs
Mar 17 05:20:35 <ka6sox> I'm Bashful.
Mar 17 05:23:21 <emeb_mac> who's Doc?
Mar 17 05:23:56 <mrpackethead> mmm.
Mar 17 05:24:03 <mrpackethead> well, i spent the afternoon rading.
Mar 17 05:24:51 <mrpackethead> And I have come up with a conclusion about Angstrom.
Mar 17 05:24:57 <mrpackethead> It exisits because it can.
Mar 17 05:26:00 <ka6sox> ?
Mar 17 05:26:15 <mrpackethead> there are many distributons..
Mar 17 05:26:18 <mrpackethead> many many many.
Mar 17 05:26:50 <mrpackethead> and Angstrom is one of them
Mar 17 05:27:18 <mrpackethead> it seems to me, there are people who like to create new distirbutions, with variances that they want
Mar 17 05:27:21 <mrpackethead> and thats all good.
Mar 17 05:27:40 <mrpackethead> i did have a reason for doing a lot of reading
Mar 17 05:27:59 <mrpackethead> i wanted to see if i could find a compelling reason for changing from my debian world.
Mar 17 05:28:35 <mrpackethead> and i could'nt.
Mar 17 05:28:41 <mrpackethead> that deos'nt mean there is'nt good reasons.
Mar 17 05:33:45 <mranostay> well angstrom has nice support for ARM though
Mar 17 05:45:39 <mrpackethead> yeah.. problaby deos. but it appears so does debian
Mar 17 05:46:03 <ka6sox> mranostay, I've become less of a distro snob...Angstrom has good support for Beagle Like things....so thats why I prefer it.
Mar 17 05:46:14 <ka6sox> since I use OE for these things.
Mar 17 05:46:40 <mranostay> nice thing about Angstrom is you could generated images easily locally
Mar 17 05:46:56 <mranostay> being the OE/Yoctopus base
Mar 17 05:47:27 <mrpackethead> i am not a distro snob at all..  however i know debian, and it works, so i stuck with it.. BUT.. ( and a big BUT ), is there are a lot of people who look like gurus, that are using Angstrom.
Mar 17 05:47:43 <mrpackethead> and they too could use something else, if they choose.
Mar 17 05:48:27 <mrpackethead> I guess, i'm trying to find the big pink elephant in my living room, which will have the reason painted on his bum.
Mar 17 05:49:07 <mrpackethead> i also temper that observation, with the fact that the majority are almost always not right.
Mar 17 05:49:14 <mrpackethead> or doing things the best way
Mar 17 05:49:24 <mrpackethead> lol.
Mar 17 05:53:23 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, up till recently debian was built natively...which was a PITA
Mar 17 05:53:42 <ka6sox> and OE was able to handle cross building.
Mar 17 05:53:54 <ka6sox> so that was an "advantage OE" in my book.
Mar 17 05:53:56 <mrpackethead> ka6sox: when you mean, building natively you mean, had to build on the beagle itself
Mar 17 05:53:57 <mrpackethead> ?
Mar 17 05:54:02 <ka6sox> yes
Mar 17 05:54:11 <ka6sox> or on whatever target you chose to use...
Mar 17 05:54:14 <mrpackethead> that would be a big bonus.
Mar 17 05:54:25 <ka6sox> what would be a bonus? native?
Mar 17 05:54:28 <ka6sox> or cross?
Mar 17 05:54:30 <mrpackethead> cross
Mar 17 05:54:31 <mrpackethead> :-)
Mar 17 05:54:53 <mrpackethead> i have not as yet, had the pleasure of building the entire system
Mar 17 05:54:54 <mrpackethead> :-)
Mar 17 05:54:55 <ka6sox> yes, that does have its issues...especially as test suites needed to be bypassed.
Mar 17 05:55:33 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, I build something called "open webOS" which is OE based...it takes about 4.5hrs on good equipment...
Mar 17 05:55:55 <ka6sox> (8 cores, 128GB RAM or SSD)
Mar 17 05:56:12 <mrpackethead> I am most indebted to Robert Nelson for his work on creating the Debian system for beagle
Mar 17 05:56:14 <mrpackethead> :-)
Mar 17 05:56:24 <ka6sox> yes, that is a Bonus :D
Mar 17 05:56:46 <ka6sox> since I already build using OE for other things...my beagle work is all Angstrom.
Mar 17 05:58:09 <ka6sox> the new setup @ my office is i7-3770K, 32GB RAM, 120GB SSD "scratch" and 4X1.5TB RAID10
Mar 17 05:58:21 * mranostay needs a build system
Mar 17 05:58:43 <mranostay> ka6sox: nice one
Mar 17 05:59:39 <ka6sox> currently have bbthreads=4 -j=4
Mar 17 06:00:12 <ka6sox> it bottlenecks on some builds.
Mar 17 06:00:15 <ka6sox> like Qt
Mar 17 06:10:58 * mranostay stabs ka6sox 
Mar 17 06:11:09 <mranostay> QT really?
Mar 17 06:11:50 <mrpackethead> sorry got sidetracked
Mar 17 06:12:14 <mrpackethead> ka6sox: the package i'm working with, takes almost 90 minutes to compile on the Beagle
Mar 17 06:12:46 <mrpackethead> it woudl be great to crosscompile, as i ahve a lot of processing grunt, idle, nearby!
Mar 17 06:15:32 <aholler_> so you've found anther reason why angstrom exists
Mar 17 06:17:20 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, ya, build power is the sekret sauce to making sucessful embedded distros
Mar 17 06:17:35 <mrpackethead> aholler_;   however cross compiler functionality now exisits in debian
Mar 17 06:17:37 <ka6sox> mranostay, its a HUGE link
Mar 17 06:18:03 <mrpackethead> if i read ka6sox correctly a few lines ago
Mar 17 06:18:19 <aholler> try crss-compiling debian
Mar 17 06:18:25 <aholler> have fun
Mar 17 06:18:30 <ka6sox> aholler, ya, its not fun
Mar 17 06:19:01 <aholler> the availability of a cross-compiler is something completly different
Mar 17 06:19:09 <ka6sox> I dunno if they "officially" support it yet.
Mar 17 06:19:38 <ka6sox> believe me that native compiling on most ARM machines is an exercise in futility.
Mar 17 06:19:46 <mranostay> heh
Mar 17 06:20:01 <mrpackethead> yeah, its certainlky a way of needing to have a long lunch breaks
Mar 17 06:20:04 <ka6sox> (well..in the past it really was)
Mar 17 06:20:06 <mranostay> fix your goddamn toolchain!
Mar 17 06:20:19 <ka6sox> mranostay, its not a toolchain issue
Mar 17 06:20:29 <ka6sox> its the lack of RAM and good HD support.
Mar 17 06:21:01 <ka6sox> USBHD has a TON of overhead.
Mar 17 06:21:14 <mrpackethead> you guys are on a topic that actually really does interest me
Mar 17 06:23:14 <ka6sox> engage Trooool Mode! (sorry..had to do that)
Mar 17 06:23:32 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, are you natively compiling your applications?
Mar 17 06:23:59 <mrpackethead> <ashamed>yes</ashamed>
Mar 17 06:24:21 <mranostay> ethicially compiling as koen would say
Mar 17 06:24:30 <mrpackethead> forutantly most of what i am using is avaialble as already compiled packages
Mar 17 06:24:43 <mrpackethead> but obviously the bit i'm making is not.
Mar 17 06:25:59 <ka6sox> package based distros have a lot of advantages...especially if you don't have build power...
Mar 17 06:26:11 <ka6sox> and source based distros take a LOT of resources to get started with.
Mar 17 06:26:26 <ka6sox> so its a tossup for some people.
Mar 17 06:26:57 <ka6sox> since I'm likely to be working on a Little Endian ARM today and a BE Mips tomorrow I prefer the latter.
Mar 17 06:28:08 <ka6sox> in order to do that I require these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/68099814@N00/8216012276/in/photostream
Mar 17 06:28:34 <ka6sox> 24Cores/256GB RAM/3TB HD
Mar 17 06:29:10 <ka6sox> (each)
Mar 17 06:29:20 <Shadyman> nom
Mar 17 06:30:09 <mrpackethead> I run a machine with 12 x 2.5Ghz cores, and 256GB of RAM
Mar 17 06:30:30 <mrpackethead> its connected to a small san
Mar 17 06:30:44 <mrpackethead> with some speedy drives, front ended with a lot of cache,
Mar 17 06:30:51 <mrpackethead> so its plenty speedy
Mar 17 06:31:03 <mrpackethead> its idle most of the time!
Mar 17 06:32:25 <aholler> money spend wise ;)
Mar 17 06:33:32 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, that alone is worth *considering* Angstrom
Mar 17 06:33:49 <mrpackethead> yes.
Mar 17 06:33:52 <mrpackethead> certainly
Mar 17 06:33:52 <aholler> reminds me at companies where the boss always needed a bigger box than his slaves ;)
Mar 17 06:33:56 <mrpackethead> and thats what i'm doing.
Mar 17 06:33:58 <ka6sox> and you can start with pre-built images...you don't *have* to build it all yourself.
Mar 17 06:34:38 <ka6sox> there is no reason, other than sheer saying you "did it all yourself" to actually do that.
Mar 17 06:35:11 <ka6sox> I rarely build from scratch for Angstrom...just no reason to.
Mar 17 06:36:15 <ka6sox> since I *suck* at UIs I put the nodejs/cloud9 on my A6 for my son to develop on.
Mar 17 06:36:52 <Shadyman> ka6sox: Looks like you were right the other day. 74LVC should drive 5V logic
Mar 17 06:37:12 <ka6sox> Shadyman, ya....BT,DT,GTTS
Mar 17 06:37:32 * Shadyman headscratches
Mar 17 06:37:38 <ka6sox> Been There
Mar 17 06:37:41 <Shadyman> AT OK
Mar 17 06:37:44 <Shadyman> ah
Mar 17 06:38:04 <Shadyman> I was going to ACK your SYN response or something there.
Mar 17 06:38:37 <ka6sox> back to flattening my forehead on making the mcasp stuff look/feel like they are DT compliant.
Mar 17 06:38:47 <Shadyman> Good luck.
Mar 17 06:38:55 * Shadyman gives ka6sox a hardhat.
Mar 17 06:39:42 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, Good Luck man...its all goood stuffa.
Mar 17 06:40:16 <mranostay> the owls are not what they seem
Mar 17 06:40:32 <Shadyman> ka6sox: Huh. Looks like QRZ.com et al swithed to private-by-default
Mar 17 06:40:41 <Shadyman> ka6sox: a change for the better, of course.
Mar 17 06:40:59 <mrpackethead> and theres not this funcationality avaialble in a debian environemnt ?
Mar 17 06:41:01 * mranostay scrolls up
Mar 17 06:41:15 * mranostay needs to get real build system
Mar 17 06:42:53 * Shadyman gives mranostay a bucket of LEGO
Mar 17 06:44:27 <mrpackethead> i'll give away two buckets of lego
Mar 17 06:45:49 <mrpackethead> mmm, building Angstrom by koen
Mar 17 06:49:41 <mrpackethead> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Mar 17 06:55:12 <mrpackethead> doco seems out of date
Mar 17 06:55:13 <mrpackethead> :-(
Mar 17 07:01:20 <ka6sox> I just follow the directions on the website...
Mar 17 07:01:28 <ka6sox> just "works"
Mar 17 07:09:01 <mrpackethead> can i check that i might be looking at the same web site as you
Mar 17 07:22:25 <jkridner> mdp: finally got back to the USB patches. Seem to be working well.
Mar 17 07:23:46 <jkridner> hmmm... seem to be getting some kind of suspend-fail warning
Mar 17 07:25:41 <mranostay> jkridner: it is BLACK!
Mar 17 07:25:53 <jkridner> got that.
Mar 17 07:26:10 <mrpackethead> jkridner: thanks for the work on the PRU stuff.  PRU_memAccessPRUDataRam.c has been most useful.
Mar 17 07:26:42 <jkridner> mrpackethead: I just shared it, didn't write it.
Mar 17 07:26:48 <mrpackethead> lol.
Mar 17 07:26:52 <mrpackethead> well, thanks for sharing
Mar 17 07:27:13 <mranostay> the PRU does not exist
Mar 17 07:27:18 <mranostay> sssh!
Mar 17 07:27:23 <ka6sox> bleh...my DT foo isn't so good...
Mar 17 07:27:35 <mranostay> and nobody sent you that evil TRM :)
Mar 17 07:27:41 <mranostay> *evil grins*
Mar 17 07:30:47 <jkridner> it is the v2 instructions that don't exist. the PRU docs are "official" --- just "unsupported".
Mar 17 07:31:49 <mrpackethead> for a company as smart as TI, its quite childish to go hiding the documentation for something they want to sell to me
Mar 17 07:32:24 <_av500_> +1
Mar 17 07:32:32 <_av500_> but its not just ti
Mar 17 07:33:23 <jkridner> if I sell it to you, then I'll have to support you. gosh, who'd want that? customers? what an awful thing for a company.
Mar 17 07:33:48 <_av500_> indeed
Mar 17 07:33:52 <_av500_> customers suck
Mar 17 07:35:48 <mrpackethead> lol.
Mar 17 07:36:17 <mrpackethead> but there are customers who will pay for support
Mar 17 07:36:24 <mrpackethead> suprize suprize
Mar 17 07:36:41 <_av500_> thats why manufacturing went to china
Mar 17 07:36:46 <_av500_> to be far away rom customers
Mar 17 07:36:51 <_av500_> from
Mar 17 07:37:08 <_av500_> mrpackethead: yes, but these buy iphones
Mar 17 07:37:17 <_av500_> they suck for other reasons
Mar 17 07:37:39 <mranostay> ka6sox: pure evil coming your way
Mar 17 07:38:01 <mranostay> jkridner: btw TI has taught me to hoard pdfs :)
Mar 17 07:38:31 <_av500_> mrpackethead: we need a p2p2pdf scheme
Mar 17 07:38:38 <_av500_> er, mranostay
Mar 17 07:38:50 <_av500_> guys, fix your damn nicks
Mar 17 07:39:05 <mranostay> who me?
Mar 17 07:39:08 <ka6sox> mine is unique
Mar 17 07:39:31 <mranostay> i'm pretty sure there is no other mranostay in the tech world
Mar 17 07:40:19 * _av500_ goes to buy Brötchen
Mar 17 07:40:23 <mranostay> jkridner: you know if the ADC have voltage divider internally in the SoC?
Mar 17 07:40:38 <mrpackethead> maybe theres a coffee machine inside the SoC
Mar 17 07:40:50 <mrpackethead> but a lack of documentaiton makes it hard to know
Mar 17 07:40:51 <mrpackethead> ?
Mar 17 07:41:53 <ka6sox> okay bbl...its too darned late...and this is pissing me off.
Mar 17 07:42:04 * aholler sacrifieces some cpu cycles to the weather god
Mar 17 07:42:33 <mranostay> aholler: their is no gods hate to break it to you :P
Mar 17 07:42:50 <ka6sox> I should have been out doing a Messier Marathon but instead I worked on this Cursed thing :P
Mar 17 07:43:10 <mranostay> ka6sox: need a #beagle hug?
Mar 17 07:43:27 <ka6sox> someone needs to send be a stuffed beagle
Mar 17 07:43:31 <ka6sox> :)
Mar 17 07:43:37 <ka6sox> s/be/me/
Mar 17 07:43:44 <mrpackethead> address..
Mar 17 07:43:53 <mrpackethead> i'll happily send you a beagle
Mar 17 07:44:05 <mrpackethead> can you send me a link to the build instucitons
Mar 17 07:44:11 <ka6sox> Live or stuffed?
Mar 17 07:44:21 <ka6sox> build instructions for Angstrom?
Mar 17 07:44:25 <mrpackethead> yeah.
Mar 17 07:44:37 <mrpackethead> im looking at this.. http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Mar 17 07:44:39 <mranostay> exact steps please!
Mar 17 07:44:47 <mrpackethead> i ust wanted to know if you were looking at the same page
Mar 17 07:45:01 <ka6sox> #exactsteps
Mar 17 07:45:14 <ka6sox> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom << all I've Evah Used...
Mar 17 07:45:21 <ka6sox> it 'just works'
Mar 17 07:46:01 <mrpackethead>   url.packetheadlookingat == url.ka6soxlookingat
Mar 17 07:46:04 <mrpackethead> thanks.
Mar 17 07:46:15 <ka6sox> so about that beagle...
Mar 17 07:46:42 <mrpackethead> do you want a trained one, comlete with training, but lots of bad habbits
Mar 17 07:47:02 <mrpackethead> or do you want one that is brand new, and leave you 'gifts'
Mar 17 07:47:18 <mrpackethead> but you have the opportunity to train it to your licking
Mar 17 07:47:22 <mrpackethead> liking even
Mar 17 07:47:55 <mranostay> TMI
Mar 17 07:47:56 <ka6sox> I have children...this is a *tough* decision...
Mar 17 07:48:21 <mrpackethead> ironicaly dog training is my hobby
Mar 17 07:49:19 <mrpackethead> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/775597_208686105942172_1710073239_o.jpg
Mar 17 07:49:21 <ka6sox> mine *was* astronomy...but I got working on this stupid DT stuff and lost track of time..I'll just go out tomorrrow night instead.
Mar 17 07:49:31 <mrpackethead> current project.. Jack is not a beagle though
Mar 17 07:49:43 <ka6sox> he won't sleep for a week.
Mar 17 07:50:38 <aholler> a blinkified dog, even with blue leds. does he already has eye cancer?
Mar 17 07:50:56 <ka6sox> scary
Mar 17 07:51:02 <ka6sox> okay I am falling over...niters
Mar 17 07:54:45 * mranostay poke jkridner 
Mar 17 07:54:56 * mranostay pokes jkridner  repeatly
Mar 17 07:55:57 * _av500_ pokes jkridner just because
Mar 17 07:56:39 <mranostay> +1
Mar 17 08:01:47 <mrpackethead> so, if i get it right.
Mar 17 08:01:50 <mrpackethead> i installed OE
Mar 17 08:01:56 <mrpackethead> i install OE
Mar 17 08:02:17 <mrpackethead> to create an Angstroum Distro
Mar 17 08:02:18 <mrpackethead> ?
Mar 17 08:02:48 <_av500_> its easy
Mar 17 08:02:56 <_av500_> angstrom uses OE uses Yocto uses bitbake
Mar 17 08:06:13 <mranostay> #bakeallbits !
Mar 17 08:15:41 <_av500_> the bits they are a-bakin'
Mar 17 08:15:56 <mrpackethead> go slowly for me
Mar 17 08:21:10 <mranostay> NO!
Mar 17 08:21:28 <mrpackethead> So, you install, OE on some nix based system
Mar 17 08:23:50 <mrpackethead> tommorrow
Mar 17 08:35:21 <koen> mrpackethead: Follow the instructions on www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Mar 17 08:35:44 <mrpackethead> koen: thanks.. i'm doing that now
Mar 17 08:37:15 <mrpackethead> koen: normally something that has a 2010 date on it, might be out of date, so thats why i was asking before.
Mar 17 08:37:48 <aholler> like c99?
Mar 17 08:37:49 <aholler> ;)
Mar 17 08:38:09 <mrpackethead> so, step one seems to get OE installed and running.
Mar 17 08:38:13 <koen> mrpackethead: From time to time I change the date
Mar 17 08:38:17 <mrpackethead> lol.
Mar 17 08:38:19 <mrpackethead> thanks.
Mar 17 08:38:29 <koen> Iast time in 2009
Mar 17 08:38:51 <koen> Noone complained about the futuristic date :)
Mar 17 08:54:20 <mru> moaning
Mar 17 09:00:44 <mrpackethead> i think i found what i need
Mar 17 09:00:46 <mrpackethead> http://cwraig.id.au/?p=507
Mar 17 09:01:05 <mrpackethead> as mranostay would say "exact instructions"
Mar 17 09:01:16 <mru> that would be "exact steps"
Mar 17 09:01:22 <mru> gotta be exact
Mar 17 09:01:24 <mrpackethead> lol
Mar 17 09:21:23 <_av500_> ah, random blog post
Mar 17 09:21:28 <_av500_> I trust these the most too
Mar 17 09:21:37 <mru> more than wikis even
Mar 17 09:21:55 <_av500_> I like blogs with contradicting wikis on the same site best
Mar 17 09:21:55 <mrpackethead> but it provided enough clues to make the wiki make snese
Mar 17 09:22:06 <_av500_> fair and balanced
Mar 17 09:29:44 <mru> now if only I could figure out how to build a working uclibc for the 6678
Mar 17 09:29:52 <mru> the shipped binary works
Mar 17 09:30:02 <mru> if I build the same sources it doesn't
Mar 17 09:30:12 <mru> typical vendor crap
Mar 17 09:32:35 <KotH> why do you deal with vendor crap? cant you just ignore it?
Mar 17 09:32:37 * dm8tbr suspects that the answer to that will not be in a random blog post
Mar 17 09:33:01 <dm8tbr> KotH: for that silly-cone there is nothing but vendor crap AFAIU :)
Mar 17 09:33:23 <KotH> rpi?
Mar 17 09:33:25 <KotH> ;->
Mar 17 09:34:16 * KotH wonders what he would need to grow InGaAs quantum well lasers himself
Mar 17 09:35:48 <dm8tbr> seeds, fertilizer?
Mar 17 09:35:58 <KotH> and good soil
Mar 17 09:36:02 <dm8tbr> a green house
Mar 17 09:36:42 <mru> KotH: I've failed to build a working uclibc from _any_ sources
Mar 17 09:36:51 <KotH> o_0
Mar 17 09:37:03 <mru> for this chip
Mar 17 09:37:21 <mru> for more normal stuff it's not usually (much of) a problem
Mar 17 09:37:41 <KotH> what chip is it?
Mar 17 09:37:50 <mru> tms320c6678
Mar 17 09:37:55 <KotH> oh..
Mar 17 09:38:01 <KotH> well...
Mar 17 09:38:17 <KotH> but then, why would you need a libc for a dsp?
Mar 17 09:38:37 <mru> it's easier to hack on stuff if you can run linux
Mar 17 09:38:47 <KotH> ok :)
Mar 17 09:38:50 <mru> with ssh and nfs etc
Mar 17 09:39:07 * KotH didnt know linux run on the tms320's
Mar 17 09:39:20 <mru> it does since a year or two
Mar 17 09:39:26 <mru> it's even mainline
Mar 17 09:39:38 <KotH> ok...interesting
Mar 17 09:39:59 <mru> of course TI EVMs are the only supported boards
Mar 17 09:40:12 <KotH> that's expected
Mar 17 09:40:42 <mru> those are the only ones you'd be likely to encounter directly anyway
Mar 17 09:42:36 <mru> oh well, at least I can build and run stuff on it somehow
Mar 17 12:23:22 <mru> gah, stupid 6678 kernel can't do a sw reboot
Mar 17 12:34:57 <dm8tbr> got any userspace yet?
Mar 17 12:35:13 <mru> sure
Mar 17 12:36:13 <mdp> not even a watchdog to abuse?
Mar 17 12:37:48 <mru> I don't see a driver for it in the provided kernel binary
Mar 17 12:37:56 <mru> and building a kernel seems to be out of the question
Mar 17 12:40:19 <mru> maybe I can bitbang it from userspace
Mar 17 12:50:41 <_av500_>  /dev/mem
Mar 17 13:33:31 <mru> _av500_: yes, I know of that method
Mar 17 20:13:16 <mrpackethead> moring trolls
Mar 17 20:15:21 <_av500_> yo
Mar 17 20:15:22 <ka6sox> morning mrpackethead
Mar 17 20:15:35 <mrpackethead> oe, is bitbaking.
Mar 17 20:15:49 <mrpackethead> hav'nt done anything useful. but...
Mar 17 20:15:59 <mru> define useful
Mar 17 20:16:26 <mrpackethead> it compiled a kernel
Mar 17 20:16:42 <mrpackethead> it was'nt useful, becuase i just created something that had alrady been done.
Mar 17 20:17:04 <mru> I'd be happy if I could manage that on the 6678
Mar 17 20:17:13 <mrpackethead> i i took a few hours to do somethign that i could have easily just downloaded.
Mar 17 20:18:08 <ynezz> but possibly with booby-traps
Mar 17 20:18:28 <mru> is that what you trap boobs in?
Mar 17 20:18:37 <mrpackethead> this whole OE thing is really confusing and complex
Mar 17 20:18:39 <mrpackethead> thats for sure
Mar 17 20:18:46 <ynezz> and if you wanted to fix something, you would just patch the binary...
Mar 17 20:19:08 <mrpackethead> might be like a lot of thigns.
Mar 17 20:19:15 <mrpackethead> its an intial steep curve
Mar 17 20:19:18 <mrpackethead> where you dont' understand
Mar 17 20:19:22 <mrpackethead> and then the lights go on.
Mar 17 20:20:40 <ynezz> lights go on, disk space goes down...
Mar 17 20:20:59 <mrpackethead> can i build a debian system with OE?
Mar 17 20:21:48 <ka6sox> not really.
Mar 17 20:23:26 <mrpackethead> what prvents you from doig that?
Mar 17 20:26:44 <_av500_> nothing
Mar 17 20:26:52 <_av500_> you can use oe to build a distro
Mar 17 20:26:58 <_av500_> one of them is angstrom
Mar 17 20:27:07 <mru> yes, but not debian
Mar 17 20:27:14 <mru> debian is by definition built with its own tools
Mar 17 20:27:32 <mru> if you build the same software using other tools, it's not debian any more
Mar 17 20:28:05 <_av500_> "tastes like Debian"
Mar 17 20:28:29 <mru> debian, the chicken distribution?
Mar 17 20:28:47 <aholler> start small and build one of those 100.000 debian packages, e.g. python3
Mar 17 20:29:04 <_av500_> open office
Mar 17 20:29:10 <mru> contradiction detectd
Mar 17 20:29:17 <mru> +e
Mar 17 20:30:24 <mrpackethead> thanks mru.. so what is the toolset that debian is built with
Mar 17 20:30:40 <mru> I haven't a clue
Mar 17 20:31:27 <woglinde> mrpackethead o.O
Mar 17 20:32:27 <mrpackethead> mailing list
Mar 17 20:34:00 <woglinde> ?
Mar 17 20:36:50 <mrpackethead> mondayistis
Mar 17 20:36:56 <_av500_> !
Mar 17 20:41:21 <mru> ‽
Mar 17 20:42:18 <_av500_> interobang ftw
Mar 17 20:44:18 <woglinde> damn flu
Mar 17 20:44:52 <_av500_> it reached berlin?
Mar 17 20:45:48 <woglinde> yes 2nd wave
Mar 17 20:51:42 <ka6sox> woglinde, bummers
Mar 17 20:56:14 <woglinde> ka6sox yes since thursday evening
Mar 17 20:56:40 <_av500_> night
Mar 17 20:57:37 <woglinde> gn av500
Mar 17 21:16:17 <thurbad> sometimes I really hate unintentional shadow variables :(
Mar 17 21:18:23 <woglinde> hehe
Mar 17 21:18:50 <Russ> is there a -wshadow?
Mar 17 21:19:11 <thurbad> probably :P
Mar 17 21:19:27 <thurbad> <- not a compiler wizard unfortunately
Mar 17 21:28:29 <mru> Russ: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30
Mar 17 21:28:57 <mru> or thurbad ^^
Mar 17 21:29:14 <thurbad> heh
Mar 17 21:29:24 <thurbad> thanks :)
Mar 17 21:29:31 * mru is probably more of a compiler troll than a wizard...
Mar 17 21:30:54 * emeb_mac practices koen rule #3 often.
Mar 17 21:31:37 * emeb_mac wonders what rules #1 & #2 are.
Mar 17 21:53:05 <mranostay> emeb_mac: we don't speak of those here
Mar 17 21:53:33 <emeb_mac> :)
Mar 17 21:53:44 <emeb_mac> rule #1: no poofters
Mar 17 21:53:56 <emeb_mac> rule #2 don't talk about fight club
Mar 17 21:57:49 <woglinde> gn
Mar 17 22:02:55 <mru> rule #1: don't talk about rule #2
Mar 17 22:03:03 <mru> rule #2: don't talk about rule #1
Mar 17 22:07:23 <jkridner> wow, you just broke both rules pretty quick-like.
Mar 17 22:08:02 <mru> in fact, #1 implies #2
Mar 17 22:08:19 <jkridner> then, you didn't even need to mention #2 to break it?
Mar 17 22:08:33 <jkridner> you just had to flaunt?
Mar 17 22:08:55 <thurbad> you have to break both to mention either
Mar 17 22:10:57 <Russ> mru, but refusing to talk about rule 1 implies rule 2
Mar 17 22:17:54 <emeb_mac> your musings perplex me
Mar 18 00:11:33 <alan_o> anyone know of a macro to cleanly do 8*sizeof(X) in the kernel?
Mar 18 00:11:40 <alan_o> I get the feeling that the above code will be kicked back
Mar 18 00:11:48 <alan_o> but I can't find anything better
Mar 18 00:12:03 <alan_o> I want the number of bits.
Mar 18 00:13:22 <amstan> does anyone have the leopard imaging boards working? how did you manage to get the mt9p driver compiled? do you also need the omap3-isp module?
Mar 18 02:23:07 <aholler> yws, no magic in 8*sizeof(foo)
Mar 18 02:23:18 <aholler> will become rejected
Mar 18 02:58:37 <alan_o> aholler: what do you recommend/
Mar 18 02:58:38 <alan_o> ?
Mar 18 02:58:48 <alan_o> #define BITS_PER_BYTE 8 somwhere?
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