**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 18 02:59:58 2013
Mar 18 03:06:48 <dougg3> just a thought, CHAR_BIT? drivers/media/ir-rc6-decoder.c in mainline uses it. i'm no expert though
Mar 18 04:04:51 <alan_o> dougg3: hmm, that's defined as the number of bits in a char in limits.h. same value, but I'm not sure it makes it any more clear.
Mar 18 04:05:53 <dougg3> yeah...the name of it isn't very clear at all
Mar 18 04:35:10 <jkridner> god I hate OE. you'd think setting EXTRA_OECONF = "--disable-werror" would be enough to see it passed into the configuration step, but who knows where it goes in this spaghetti code?
Mar 18 04:49:07 <Livin> hi all
Mar 18 05:10:56 <mranostay> jkridner: need a #beagle hug?
Mar 18 05:16:37 <Shadyman> PowerSO36, you are not an SO-sized package. Go home, you are drunk.
Mar 18 05:26:58 <mranostay> heh
Mar 18 05:27:24 <_av500_> yarn
Mar 18 05:27:59 <emeb_mac> we need a volunteer to refactor OE
Mar 18 05:28:07 <_av500_> GSoC
Mar 18 05:28:15 * ds2 stars at Koen and friends 
Mar 18 05:28:15 <_av500_> as a qualification task
Mar 18 05:28:16 <ds2> ;)
Mar 18 05:28:26 <emeb_mac> lols
Mar 18 05:28:37 <_av500_> we should rewrite it in .js
Mar 18 05:28:44 <emeb_mac> badass etc
Mar 18 05:29:02 <_av500_> and run it on a 10k units bone cluster
Mar 18 05:29:43 <emeb_mac> and get a writeup in some make/hack ezine.
Mar 18 05:29:50 <mranostay> emeb_mac: volunteer? i expect to paid to deal with that :P
Mar 18 05:30:11 <_av500_> paid in geiger tubes
Mar 18 05:30:20 <emeb_mac> mranostay: you're mercenary. we need true believers
Mar 18 05:30:30 <mranostay> keep looking
Mar 18 05:30:44 <ds2> mranostay: want to join intel? :D
Mar 18 05:31:29 <_av500_> right
Mar 18 05:31:53 <emeb_mac> don't do it!
Mar 18 05:33:54 <_av500_> do it!
Mar 18 05:34:01 <abc> Had a clarification on pinmuxing with 3.8.x kernel
Mar 18 05:34:23 * _av500_ surfs to work
Mar 18 05:34:43 <abc> can i change it pin mux from the userspace when the beaglebone is booted from 3.8 kernel
Mar 18 05:36:30 <mranostay> _av500_: surf? that is badass :)
Mar 18 05:37:10 <emeb_mac> totally tubular!
Mar 18 05:38:22 <abc> How can i change the pin mux of the pins under /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux from teh kernel user space
Mar 18 05:40:42 <mranostay> kernel userspace that is a new one
Mar 18 05:46:03 <abc> okay from user space
Mar 18 05:46:35 <abc> just echo'ing the value to the pin should change the mux
Mar 18 06:03:24 <abc> Is there any way I can change the pin mux by echo'ing the value to the pin from the 3.8 kernel
Mar 18 06:06:54 <Russ> yup
Mar 18 06:07:01 <Russ> pinmux
Mar 18 06:07:08 <Russ> pinctrl
Mar 18 06:08:23 <mranostay> control all pines!
Mar 18 06:08:26 <mranostay> *pins!
Mar 18 06:10:38 <av500> morn
Mar 18 06:12:28 <mranostay> _av500_: hey handsome
Mar 18 06:16:14 <av500> ola
Mar 18 06:17:18 <ka6sox> mourning
Mar 18 06:17:39 <mranostay> not yet
Mar 18 06:19:38 <abc> How can that be done?
Mar 18 06:20:32 <emeb_mac> trolls are crepusculating.
Mar 18 06:23:54 <Russ> /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl
Mar 18 06:39:47 <abc> ok.., let me try /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl
Mar 18 06:39:53 <dm8tbr> good moaning
Mar 18 06:48:52 <abc> <Russ> It is the same. am not able to change the mux settings from teh kernel
Mar 18 06:49:35 <Russ> too bad, it works really well for everyone else
Mar 18 06:50:04 <abc> 3.8 kernel?
Mar 18 06:51:22 <mrpackethead> boo
Mar 18 06:51:32 <mrpackethead> two prototypes happening today
Mar 18 06:51:35 <mrpackethead> one fired up
Mar 18 06:51:39 <mrpackethead> and the others got issues.
Mar 18 06:52:08 <abc> <Russ>could you please give me an example?
Mar 18 06:53:12 <mranostay> we call those exact steps here
Mar 18 06:54:31 <Russ> the registers are all right there for yo uto muck with
Mar 18 06:54:46 <Russ> see documentation for pinctrl
Mar 18 06:54:54 <Russ> er, pinctrl-single for additional info
Mar 18 07:04:33 <abc> <Russ> I'll go thro' the documentation and check once. But as you have pointered am anot seeing any of the registers, but i can see the pins alone and am not able to write or echo to them
Mar 18 07:05:37 <Russ> sorry I don't have time for exact steps right now
Mar 18 07:08:22 <mrpackethead> mranostay: 'exact' steps here.. are kind of vauge
Mar 18 07:09:18 <mrpackethead> mranostay: Russ, how about we set up #troll_support
Mar 18 07:09:52 * mranostay hits his power button
Mar 18 07:09:53 <mrpackethead> hobbits can pay 500 bitcoins per month, and the trolls can go on a roster to live in #troll_support
Mar 18 07:10:24 <mrpackethead> lol.
Mar 18 07:10:45 <mrpackethead> i think this is good
Mar 18 07:10:46 <mrpackethead> NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 3256 tasks of which 1042 didn't need to be rerun and all succeeded.
Mar 18 07:10:48 <Russ> I'll trade #exactsteps for getting my ddr2 interface up and going
Mar 18 07:12:48 <mrpackethead> i'm feeling a wee bit clever..
Mar 18 07:12:55 <mrpackethead> though i just followed #exactsteps
Mar 18 07:13:43 <mrpackethead> used oe, to create images for a Angstrom build.
Mar 18 07:13:44 <mrpackethead> http://pastebin.com/bvuRhnbZ
Mar 18 07:13:53 <mrpackethead> not bad for a hobbit
Mar 18 07:25:45 * KotH yawns something about a JIHAD
Mar 18 07:27:44 <Shadyman> KotH: Get the door, it's the feds
Mar 18 07:28:04 <mrpackethead> all the cheese is safe, so dont' worry
Mar 18 07:28:09 * KotH doesnt fear no feds for he doesn't live in the country of the free and opressed
Mar 18 07:28:25 <koen> mranostay: someone on beagle-alpha is asking about your adc-test module :)
Mar 18 07:32:51 <mrpackethead> is beagle-alpha anything like beagle-sparc
Mar 18 07:37:42 <av500> nice headline: http://www.stericsson.com/press_releases/20130318.jsp
Mar 18 07:42:55 <mrpackethead> its corporate talk for were firing 1000 people
Mar 18 07:43:10 <Russ> "is this decision right for the company"
Mar 18 07:44:01 <Russ> sorry, "Is this good for the company?"
Mar 18 07:45:02 <Russ> http://www.hostedhr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/b5_01.jpg
Mar 18 07:45:25 <mrpackethead> is it good for the shareholders
Mar 18 07:46:57 <ynezz> "I've been just reviewed"
Mar 18 07:47:28 <Russ> no i isn't
Mar 18 08:22:39 <av500> finally a beagle-killer: http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/03/18/89-compulab-cm-igt-coms-feature-amd-g-series-apus/
Mar 18 08:27:15 <keesj> is that arm or intel arch?
Mar 18 08:27:46 <Shadyman> amd g-series? Never heard of it :x
Mar 18 08:27:54 <keesj> https://compulab.co.il/products/computer-on-modules/cm-igt/#overview (x86)
Mar 18 08:28:35 <keesj> Supply Voltage	5VDC
Mar 18 08:28:38 <keesj> Active power consumption	TBD haha
Mar 18 08:28:41 <Shadyman> Interesting. Must be below an E-series
Mar 18 09:21:29 <mrpackethead> i'll have a look at it in a year or so
Mar 18 10:04:31 <mru> moaning
Mar 18 10:10:28 <av500> indeed
Mar 18 10:44:39 <jackmitchell> koen, have you ever experienced odd crashes when using sysfs on the 3.8 branch; I have come across a few tracebacks recently which seem to point to sysfs_release and wondered if it was something anyone else has seen
Mar 18 11:10:38 <koen> jackmitchell: not that I have seen, but I haven't been using sysfs a lot
Mar 18 12:14:27 <keesj> I had a look at the bone's device tree support also in http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/arch/arm/boot/dts/am335x-bone.dts
Mar 18 12:14:42 <keesj> is this the most up-to-date?
Mar 18 12:15:32 <keesj> it looks so simple (I hoped for more stuff like the mmc register addresses to use)
Mar 18 12:24:43 <koen> keesj: most up to date is always at https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/
Mar 18 12:25:03 <koen> keesj: and check the 'include' statements
Mar 18 12:25:05 <keesj> a pre-processed dts now look like http://pastebin.com/5GupintS (it's not that bad but not realy finished) .
Mar 18 12:25:27 <keesj> I will check the beagleboard git
Mar 18 12:36:48 <keesj> the link is not really usefull or can I call patch.sh without arguments to get the most up to date?
Mar 18 12:40:29 <koen> yes
Mar 18 12:40:47 <koen> see the README file
Mar 18 13:09:54 <jackmitchell> mdp: ping
Mar 18 13:10:22 <av500> wow, gpl-violations is epic these days
Mar 18 13:12:22 <jackmitchell> mdp: I am trying to figure out the best way to do continuous sampling of an spi device, I have found that there are ~400ns gaps between each (16 bit)word read and I can only put it down to something in the DMA, possibly empty FIFO's, memory copying or something similar
Mar 18 13:12:47 <KotH> av500: ?
Mar 18 13:12:55 <av500> KotH: the ml
Mar 18 13:13:31 <jackmitchell> I have heard rumour of a chained DMA mode, is this possible at the moment, and would it be able to solve the SPI delay issues I am seeing?
Mar 18 13:13:52 <jackmitchell> and does it have something to do with all the references to TURBO mode I see in the mcspi implementation?
Mar 18 13:14:43 <ynezz> av500: which ML? I don't see any posts from March...
Mar 18 13:14:53 <koen> av500: announce, legal, tech?
Mar 18 13:15:07 <ynezz> anounce, there's like last post from 2008
Mar 18 13:15:09 <ynezz> :)
Mar 18 13:16:20 <av500> legal
Mar 18 13:16:37 <av500> see chad goodman
Mar 18 13:17:28 <ynezz> too long
Mar 18 13:17:56 <av500> yeah
Mar 18 13:19:26 <koen> oh dear
Mar 18 13:24:44 <av500> koen: the funny part is when dozens of Chad supporters storm the ML sending praise emails
Mar 18 13:24:51 <av500> you'd think he cured cancer for them
Mar 18 13:25:07 * av500 makes a reminder to endorse koen on the BB ML
Mar 18 13:27:50 * av500 throws cat food at Crofton|work
Mar 18 13:32:19 * KotH throws cats at Crofton|work 
Mar 18 13:32:38 <keesj> And every branch of that tree has a modified readme. happy happy fun times
Mar 18 13:33:02 <mru> I thought the readme was empty
Mar 18 13:33:41 <av500> maybe its written in whitespace
Mar 18 13:35:18 <mru> morse code using spaces and tabs
Mar 18 13:35:23 <keesj> it's a masterpiece
Mar 18 13:36:47 <koen> av500: this 'kanging' is hilarious
Mar 18 13:37:03 <av500> yep
Mar 18 13:38:01 <koen> I had it happen to me a few times
Mar 18 13:38:22 <koen> cheap indian sweatshops reset git author, but forget to change signed-offf-by lines
Mar 18 13:38:41 <koen> so everytime they use git-send-email internally (already a shocker) I get copied
Mar 18 13:39:22 <av500> omg, you got kanged
Mar 18 13:39:53 <av500> http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/2013-February/003593.html
Mar 18 13:40:10 <av500> koen, you make beagle the wild beast!
Mar 18 13:40:18 <mru> who's chad goodman?
Mar 18 13:40:25 * mru has never heard of him before
Mar 18 13:40:45 <av500> http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/2013-February/003601.html
Mar 18 13:40:56 <av500> ...
Mar 18 13:40:58 <av500> Since than I only use his kernels. When
Mar 18 13:40:59 <av500> you use his kerlels you notice right away that they have been developed by
Mar 18 13:41:01 <av500> someone special that is different from other developers.
Mar 18 13:41:05 <av500> ...
Mar 18 13:41:07 <av500> awesome!
Mar 18 13:41:50 <av500> let me rephrase that around koen
Mar 18 13:42:06 <av500> mru: neither did I until 10min ago
Mar 18 13:42:12 <KotH> mru: obviously religious leader
Mar 18 13:42:39 <av500> well, iOS had jobs, Android people have chad goodman
Mar 18 13:42:46 <av500> or godman
Mar 18 13:44:25 <ynezz> Where's Chuck Norris?
Mar 18 13:44:56 <KotH> kicking people
Mar 18 13:45:07 <mru> chuck norris doesn't need a phone, he just raises his voice a little
Mar 18 13:45:37 <av500> thats to bring down walls
Mar 18 13:45:47 <av500> he just stares at you and you know what he wants to say
Mar 18 13:47:14 <ynezz> anyway, nice name for a project - anthrax
Mar 18 13:54:46 * KotH should start a project and name it JIHAD
Mar 18 13:55:28 <ogra_> based on anthrax?
Mar 18 13:58:20 <ynezz> pork.io
Mar 18 13:58:30 <koen> can I now have 49 minutes of my life back?
Mar 18 13:58:36 <koen> or does Chad own that now as well?
Mar 18 13:59:24 <ogra_> was it under GPL ? and did he use them inside his "organization" ? then you are screwed
Mar 18 13:59:49 <KotH> nah.. i'd probable base it on marburg... a much more fun virus :)
Mar 18 13:59:57 <ogra_> haha
Mar 18 14:01:35 <av500> koen: your life got kanged!
Mar 18 14:02:30 <koen> I voted for kodos
Mar 18 14:05:10 <woglinde> av500 yes it was a awesome discussion
Mar 18 14:05:34 <av500> only the best for you
Mar 18 14:06:15 <woglinde> I wanted to join there "forum" to find the stupid "call for supporr post"
Mar 18 14:06:25 <woglinde> but they did not let me
Mar 18 14:06:28 <av500> their
Mar 18 14:06:33 <woglinde> ups
Mar 18 14:06:35 <woglinde> yes
Mar 18 14:06:46 <woglinde> damn cold
Mar 18 14:07:00 <av500> they're dicks for not letting you join their forum there
Mar 18 14:07:41 <woglinde> sure I had to agree not to share the kernel outside "this institution"
Mar 18 14:07:47 <av500> see
Mar 18 14:08:03 <av500> woglinde: you can be our spy there
Mar 18 14:09:10 <KotH> what's the point of this "organisation"?
Mar 18 14:09:18 <woglinde> koth gpl
Mar 18 14:09:28 <ynezz> gpl warez forum
Mar 18 14:09:31 <KotH> what's the point in that?
Mar 18 14:09:44 <woglinde> he claimed the forum is an institution
Mar 18 14:09:50 <KotH> i mean, why develop a kernel out of peoples sight?
Mar 18 14:09:54 <KotH> what gain do you get?
Mar 18 14:10:03 <woglinde> so if the binaries are not shared outside its gpl conform
Mar 18 14:10:05 <KotH> does he earn money?
Mar 18 14:10:11 <mranostay> morning friends, countrymen and KotH
Mar 18 14:10:12 <woglinde> donotion
Mar 18 14:10:18 <woglinde> they claimed its not forced
Mar 18 14:10:23 <KotH> moin mranostay
Mar 18 14:10:26 <woglinde> trool
Mar 18 14:10:28 <KotH> mranostay: alles banane?
Mar 18 14:11:14 <av500> OMG: http://olimex.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/mod-rgb-arduino-maple-and-pinguino-examples/
Mar 18 14:11:16 <KotH> woglinde: scientology doesnt force you to buy their books or attend their "courses" either... you just get visits from other members, if you dont
Mar 18 14:12:15 <woglinde> koth anyway read the thread yourself
Mar 18 14:12:35 <KotH> av500: *bookmark*
Mar 18 14:12:42 <KotH> woglinde: i read part of it
Mar 18 14:12:43 <mranostay> what are talking about scientology?
Mar 18 14:12:45 <KotH> woglinde: got borring
Mar 18 14:12:57 <woglinde> mranostay chad goodman
Mar 18 14:13:10 <ogra_> mranostay CGC ...
Mar 18 14:13:11 * mranostay loves to start his week off weird
Mar 18 14:13:16 <ogra_> the chad goodman chirch
Mar 18 14:13:24 <av500> chörch
Mar 18 14:13:33 <ogra_> :)
Mar 18 14:13:37 <KotH> a true german!
Mar 18 14:13:44 <mranostay> stop those weird letters
Mar 18 14:13:49 <mranostay> think of the children
Mar 18 14:14:00 <av500> KotH: I watched Käptn Körk as a kid
Mar 18 14:14:13 <KotH> be glad, my irc system doesnt allow me to write kanji ;)
Mar 18 14:14:19 <KotH> av500: hehe
Mar 18 14:14:23 <woglinde> koth fix it
Mar 18 14:14:25 <ogra_> *giggle*
Mar 18 14:14:25 <KotH> av500: everyone did, everyone :)
Mar 18 14:14:37 <KotH> woglinde: i'm on it...
Mar 18 14:14:39 <av500> KotH: no, mranostay did not, he wasnt even born
Mar 18 14:14:44 <KotH> woglinde: but classes take too much time
Mar 18 14:15:03 <KotH> av500: i'm sure there are still reruns of it
Mar 18 14:16:29 <ogra_> geez, kids ...
Mar 18 14:16:33 * ogra_ feels old
Mar 18 14:17:30 <KotH> ogra_: guess how my brother felt, when he was talking about his school days with a friend, and his friends nephew was like "zomg, we heard that in history!"
Mar 18 14:17:41 <ogra_> LOL
Mar 18 14:18:00 <woglinde> koth oh my god you are really old
Mar 18 14:18:22 <KotH> not as old as av500 though...
Mar 18 14:18:29 <KotH> he still beats me by a decade
Mar 18 14:18:37 * av500 sobs
Mar 18 14:18:46 <woglinde> wheelchair?
Mar 18 14:18:54 <av500> 5 wheels
Mar 18 14:19:01 <KotH> 5th wheel?
Mar 18 14:19:32 <av500> you are in a maze of 5 twisty wheels, all alike
Mar 18 14:19:53 <woglinde> lol polycom
Mar 18 14:20:40 <av500> ?
Mar 18 14:22:18 <woglinde> only german link
Mar 18 14:22:20 <woglinde> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Profi-Videokonferenzsysteme-als-Spion-1824557.html
Mar 18 14:22:59 <ogra_> weAREtheCHAMPIONS
Mar 18 14:23:01 <ogra_> hehe
Mar 18 14:23:06 * mdp verifies lm4f lunchbox dfu works
Mar 18 14:23:08 <mdp> yay
Mar 18 14:23:10 <ogra_> for sure they are
Mar 18 14:24:43 <woglinde> mdp what?
Mar 18 14:25:13 <mdp> hehe..the ST-E PR should say "following in the footsteps of TI and FSL..."
Mar 18 14:25:27 <av500> lol
Mar 18 14:25:52 <mdp> bronze medal for ST-E for realizing they have no hope in that market
Mar 18 14:26:10 <av500> automotive will get crowded :)
Mar 18 14:26:34 <mdp> woglinde: testing dfu for Tartarus..dunno why..but it seemed like fun for a moment
Mar 18 14:26:40 <jackmitchell> ah hah, mdp, just the man I want to talk to
Mar 18 14:26:49 <mdp> probably something to do with dfu for am33xx
Mar 18 14:27:01 <woglinde> mdp time to go
Mar 18 14:27:04 <mdp> lunchbox dfu is practically useless
Mar 18 14:27:16 <av500> mru: they way the dip switches on 6678 are layed out is great
Mar 18 14:27:21 <woglinde> what is lunchbox in this case?
Mar 18 14:27:29 <mdp> jackmitchell: ok, just scrolled back and saw your questions...all of which I have no answers
Mar 18 14:27:35 <mdp> lm4f120 launchpad
Mar 18 14:27:36 <jackmitchell> hah, fair enough
Mar 18 14:27:45 <jackmitchell> I have managed to get turbo mode working now
Mar 18 14:27:49 <mdp> but, I just mean off the top of my head
Mar 18 14:27:50 <av500> didnt we discuss dma chaining already here?
Mar 18 14:28:06 <av500> mdp: I think we both even got a badge
Mar 18 14:28:06 <mdp> we had a discussion about turbo mode here...none of us know what it does
Mar 18 14:28:15 <mranostay> av500: so how does one get as old as you? :P
Mar 18 14:28:16 <alan_o> mdp: can dt help with that?
Mar 18 14:28:19 <mdp> av500, yeah, I sewed it on my sash
Mar 18 14:28:19 <jackmitchell> but I can't figure out why the CS goes high, a 16 bit transfer is performed, then there is a gap of ~60us and the rest of the transfer is performed
Mar 18 14:28:39 <jackmitchell> could it be the DMA setting up?
Mar 18 14:28:47 <av500> mranostay: mostly by doing nothing
Mar 18 14:29:21 <jackmitchell> mdp: turbo mode has taken the time between each word from ~400ns to ~50ns
Mar 18 14:29:28 <mdp> I see
Mar 18 14:29:28 <jackmitchell> so that is a good improvement
Mar 18 14:29:29 <ogra_> ... and getting paid for it indeed ...
Mar 18 14:29:40 <mdp> the TRM doesn't really say what it would do ;)
Mar 18 14:29:48 <mdp> so we figured it would be a spec hunt
Mar 18 14:29:57 <jackmitchell> but I can't figure out
Mar 18 14:29:58 <mdp> or use one of koen's rules..like you just did
Mar 18 14:30:01 <jackmitchell> the CS thing
Mar 18 14:30:04 <woglinde> mdp ah okay
Mar 18 14:30:29 <mdp> woglinde: nice to see stuff just work...on a monday
Mar 18 14:31:01 <mdp> jackmitchell: ok, so back up now for me..I'm slow. you have it in the mode where you want CSes each word or not?
Mar 18 14:31:23 <jackmitchell> mdp: no, one CS across the whole transfer is fine
Mar 18 14:31:32 <mdp> and assuming your driver is unmodified and just doing the same force CS scheme ok
Mar 18 14:31:36 <mdp> ok, makes sense
Mar 18 14:31:45 <jackmitchell> wait I have a photo, this will should make it cleaer
Mar 18 14:31:46 <woglinde> mdp yes yes better than working on friday and not working anymore on monday
Mar 18 14:31:56 <mdp> jackmitchell: pictures!
Mar 18 14:32:08 <mdp> woglinde: indeed
Mar 18 14:33:16 <jackmitchell> mdp: http://i.imgur.com/2UW9Q1J.jpg
Mar 18 14:34:39 <jackmitchell> so that is clock in yellow, chipselect in blue
Mar 18 14:34:44 <mdp> that *is* visually stimulating ;)
Mar 18 14:34:50 <mdp> yeah, exactly as described
Mar 18 14:36:11 <alan_o> jackmitchell: is that one of those hack-the-firmware-for-more-MHz scopes?
Mar 18 14:36:48 <jackmitchell> alan_o: I don't know, I have a tektronix one here that I use, that photo is a collegues
Mar 18 14:37:25 <jackmitchell> mdp: so you think it is DMA setup?
Mar 18 14:37:56 <mdp> alan_o, yeah, rigol++ ;)
Mar 18 14:38:16 <mdp> jackmitchell: it seems doubtful..however, can't exclude that possibility
Mar 18 14:38:41 <mdp> do you have any other traffic in the system during this test?
Mar 18 14:38:58 <mdp> well, you do..but heavy load?
Mar 18 14:39:14 <jackmitchell> the only other thing I think it could be is the processing between line:973 and line:999 when it goes into the actual transfer routine
Mar 18 14:39:22 <jackmitchell> no, zero other load
Mar 18 14:40:11 <jackmitchell> it seems to force the cs high, some time before it actually starts the transer, and there could be some sleeping that happens maybe?
Mar 18 14:40:15 <mdp> ok, so, when this spi transfer gets set up...you are requesting a transfer of how many words?
Mar 18 14:40:26 <jackmitchell> 512 bytes, 16bit words
Mar 18 14:40:53 <jackmitchell> I have a very simple test driver to try and figure out the max performance and take everything out of the equation
Mar 18 14:41:42 <mdp> ok, so what I wanted to walk through is that this transfer gets handed to the dmaengine driver as a SG list of one segment
Mar 18 14:42:02 <jackmitchell> yes from what I can tell from groking the spi code
Mar 18 14:42:30 <mdp> and the channel config would be written with a addr_width of 16-bits and a max burst that's half of the fifo depth on the mcspi
Mar 18 14:43:01 <jackmitchell> assuming the FIFO is 32 bits then yes
Mar 18 14:43:09 <mdp> so the edma dmac gets programmed for acnt of 2 bytes (the width of a transfer per dma event)
Mar 18 14:43:19 <jackmitchell> as far as I can tell
Mar 18 14:43:32 <mdp> yeah, in dmaengine api speak..the fifo burst parameters are always in terms of the addr_width units
Mar 18 14:43:52 <jackmitchell> thats the if ( <= 8, <=16 else 32)
Mar 18 14:43:59 <mdp> oh, hrm
Mar 18 14:44:21 <mdp> right
Mar 18 14:44:49 <mdp> the only way I see the pictured thing happening is if the actually dma event doesn't get asserted during that time
Mar 18 14:45:05 <mdp> you see, one that transfer is configured..it's out of cpu control
Mar 18 14:46:41 <jackmitchell> ok, do you think that the CS might be asserted high too early? Could it be done later?
Mar 18 14:47:08 <jackmitchell> for example the way I read the code in my *uninformed* view, there seems to be a lot of things going on
Mar 18 14:47:59 <jackmitchell> between the CS going active and event actually being triggered
Mar 18 14:49:52 <mdp> well, from that capture, it looks fine..it's asserted before that first word..it's the gap that bothers me
Mar 18 14:49:56 <av500> isnt CS asserted by the engine too?
Mar 18 14:50:02 <av500> yeah
Mar 18 14:51:25 <jackmitchell> av500: it seems to be asserted in omap2_mcspi_force_cs, or I might be reading it wrong if mcspi_write_chconf0 isn't an instant register set
Mar 18 14:52:01 <jackmitchell> line:969 seems to be where the CS is first forced high
Mar 18 14:52:03 <av500> mru: what do I need to tftp to the 6678?
Mar 18 14:52:04 <jackmitchell> of spi.c
Mar 18 14:52:12 <mru> av500: a tftp server
Mar 18 14:52:18 <jackmitchell> sorry spi-omap2-mcspi.c
Mar 18 14:52:27 <av500> app.out
Mar 18 14:53:11 <av500> mru: a server??
Mar 18 14:53:22 <mru> sorry, I misunderstood
Mar 18 14:53:36 <av500> np
Mar 18 14:53:41 <mru> you tftp whatever you want it to run
Mar 18 14:53:44 <av500> yes
Mar 18 14:53:48 <av500> assume I want linux
Mar 18 14:54:00 <mru> then you get a linux kernel with the necessary wrapping
Mar 18 14:54:07 <mru> which I have no clue how it's made
Mar 18 14:54:17 <av500> but you one?
Mar 18 14:54:25 <av500> +have
Mar 18 14:54:37 <av500> aint that how you boot?
Mar 18 14:54:38 <mru> the LINUX-MCSDK includes a few
Mar 18 14:54:38 <av500> yours
Mar 18 14:54:42 <av500> ah
Mar 18 14:54:55 <mru> of course calling it an sdk is preposterous
Mar 18 14:55:11 <mru> since it contains only some minimal binaries to run a demo app
Mar 18 14:59:40 <zengweitotty> hi,av500
Mar 18 15:00:23 <zengweitotty> My devkit8000's LCD is sharp-lq043t1dg01
Mar 18 15:00:42 <zengweitotty> and I download it from sourceforge
Mar 18 15:01:16 <KotH> av500: you've been hailed!
Mar 18 15:01:44 <av500> you downloaded the LCD from sourceforge?
Mar 18 15:01:52 <mru> all hail av500!
Mar 18 15:02:22 <zengweitotty> I put it to /driver/video/omap2/display
Mar 18 15:02:35 <KotH> av500: software lcd :)
Mar 18 15:02:53 <prpplague> hehe
Mar 18 15:02:58 <keesj> for ref the dts http://pastebin.com/mPs9qdC1 is one of the dts's found in one of the most recent branches . at least it contains information about the blackbone. it does contain information about the mmc
Mar 18 15:03:00 <zengweitotty> how to edit arch/arm/mach-omap2/omap3-devkit8000.c
Mar 18 15:03:14 <av500> vi
Mar 18 15:03:15 <alan_o> KotH: bitbang :)
Mar 18 15:03:35 <av500> zengweitotty: is that a school project?
Mar 18 15:03:39 <mru> av500: emacs!
Mar 18 15:03:44 <av500> joe!
Mar 18 15:05:00 <ogra_> nano ...
Mar 18 15:05:07 <av500> edlin
Mar 18 15:05:27 <mru> running dos now, are we?
Mar 18 15:05:47 <zengweitotty> av500: No, I just want to porting an  Embeded linux with Qtopia
Mar 18 15:05:47 <av500> on my C64, the editor was built-in
Mar 18 15:05:50 <KotH> i'm sure there is an edlin compatible editor for unix
Mar 18 15:06:06 <mru> KotH: edlin is a lot like the standard unix 'ed'
Mar 18 15:06:06 <zengweitotty> and develop image processing software on it
Mar 18 15:06:12 <zengweitotty> http://paste.org/62707
Mar 18 15:06:26 <zengweitotty> and this is my omap-devkit8000.c
Mar 18 15:06:29 <mranostay> someone say bit bang?
Mar 18 15:06:42 <zengweitotty> static struct panel_generic_dpi_data lcd_panel = {
Mar 18 15:06:43 <zengweitotty>     .name           = "sharp_lq_panel",
Mar 18 15:06:43 <zengweitotty>     .platform_enable        = devkit8000_panel_enable_lcd,
Mar 18 15:06:43 <zengweitotty>     .platform_disable       = devkit8000_panel_disable_lcd,
Mar 18 15:06:43 <zengweitotty> };
Mar 18 15:06:48 <alan_o> mranostay: do you have that set up as alert text in your client?
Mar 18 15:07:05 <zengweitotty> I think just modify .name
Mar 18 15:07:21 <KotH> mranostay: do you bang bits?
Mar 18 15:07:30 <zengweitotty> and it can load my lcd driver
Mar 18 15:07:51 <mdp> jackmitchell: you aren't using cs_per_word, right?
Mar 18 15:08:23 <jackmitchell> mdp: I haven't set it anywhere, I could try specificly not enabling it
Mar 18 15:08:34 <mdp> no need
Mar 18 15:08:34 <zengweitotty> but now the LCD driver seems not work
Mar 18 15:09:17 <mdp> jackmitchell: just making sure...the force high is fine there
Mar 18 15:09:28 <mdp> I'm not sure what the concern is about that?
Mar 18 15:09:55 <jackmitchell> mdp: sorry, I've been wandering concern about what?
Mar 18 15:10:46 <mdp> my point is that the CS gets programmatically deasserted as a part of setting up a new transfer...and that's ok
Mar 18 15:11:14 <mdp> as long as you aren't using cs_per_word mode (and you shouldn't be) then all CS manipulation is essentially bitbanged in the driver
Mar 18 15:12:03 <KotH> mru: hmm... cannot tell anymore
Mar 18 15:12:48 <jackmitchell> mdp: ok, but my concern is the gap between the first 16 bit transfer and the rest of the transfer; I think I'm just getting needlessly hooked up with the CS thing and it's actually nothing to do with it...
Mar 18 15:12:54 <KotH> mru: it has been literally ages since i last used edlin.. and then i mostly used nc's editor instead
Mar 18 15:13:04 <mdp> jackmitchell: wait, sorry, s/deasserted/asserted/ ;) monday!
Mar 18 15:13:16 <jackmitchell> and you think that may be the edma which has already been triggered, which is outside of the cpu control
Mar 18 15:13:26 <mdp> jackmitchell: it's not..they are completely independent in single mode
Mar 18 15:13:51 <mdp> look at the flow...if (!cs_active) then it gets asserted..you see that there..
Mar 18 15:14:00 <jackmitchell> yep, I've seen that
Mar 18 15:14:09 <mdp> now then it sets up an rx dma transfer
Mar 18 15:14:24 <jackmitchell> yep,
Mar 18 15:14:25 <mdp> chip select is already active as needed...
Mar 18 15:14:29 <jackmitchell> it is
Mar 18 15:16:13 <mdp> jackmitchell: now if you follow that through...you get down to where it dmaengine_submit(tx) the actually request...that puts it on the dmaengine driver work queue
Mar 18 15:16:28 <jackmitchell> indeed
Mar 18 15:16:35 <mdp> then the async_issue_pending flushes it out and the param sets get programmed
Mar 18 15:16:52 <mdp> after that the dma_req for spi is enabled...and that's when it starts flying
Mar 18 15:16:55 <jackmitchell> ah ok, so that does the setting aswell ok
Mar 18 15:17:10 <mdp> so those are the engaging lines
Mar 18 15:17:22 <jackmitchell> ok so the first 16 bits and 'setup' bits..
Mar 18 15:17:28 <jackmitchell> s/and/are
Mar 18 15:17:50 <mdp> well, depends on your device
Mar 18 15:17:51 <jackmitchell> then when it gets going, that is when the dma has gotten round to it's turn on the queue
Mar 18 15:18:24 <mdp> either your device is ready to shove stuff on the wire at full rate or not
Mar 18 15:18:55 <mdp> is the gap your device just leaving things at low for all those cycles
Mar 18 15:18:59 <mdp> ?
Mar 18 15:19:46 <mdp> cause the spi is clocking away most likely... add a clock trace on an LA
Mar 18 15:20:25 <mdp> also, can you timestamp the samples in some way?
Mar 18 15:20:33 <mdp> check integrity
Mar 18 15:20:42 <mdp> simpler test of some sort
Mar 18 15:22:28 <jackmitchell> in that gap , CS is low, Clock is constant low and d1 is high
Mar 18 15:22:33 <alan_o> updated my desktop kernel.... can't NFS to it anymore, we don't break userspace, etc, SERENITY NOW!!!!!
Mar 18 15:23:01 <mdp> jackmitchell: interesting!
Mar 18 15:34:51 <mdp> av500: btw, both automotive and "broad market" will be crowded
Mar 18 15:35:11 <koen> carmaggedon!
Mar 18 15:35:20 <KotH> alan_o: restrict nfs to v3
Mar 18 15:35:26 <av500> mru: vmlinux-2.6.34-evmc6678.el-linux-c6x-2.0.0.63.bin ?
Mar 18 15:35:31 <KotH> .o0(too late)
Mar 18 15:35:46 <mdp> av500, qualcomm is hiring to fix their upstream wasteland now too
Mar 18 15:35:53 <av500> oh
Mar 18 15:37:26 <mru> av500: I'm using evmc6678-nfs.el-hf-linux-c6x-2.0.0.63.bin
Mar 18 15:37:46 <mru> it said nfs so I figured it had nfs support enabled (and it does)
Mar 18 15:38:04 <mru> no idea if it's actually different from the vmlinux-* one
Mar 18 15:38:09 <mdp> jackmitchell: the fact that the clock is low tells me this is a mcspi issue
Mar 18 15:38:31 <av500> mru: \o/ it does something
Mar 18 15:38:45 <av500> now, how do I fix the kernel cmd line
Mar 18 15:38:53 <av500> I guess its compiled in
Mar 18 15:39:10 <mru> av500: use the 'bootblob' tool in the same dir
Mar 18 15:39:30 <mru> or a hex editor if you prefer
Mar 18 15:40:37 <av500> I might
Mar 18 15:40:42 <av500> @4096
Mar 18 15:42:03 <alan_o> you've got to be kidding..... http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=5549
Mar 18 15:42:52 <alan_o> the ubuntu kernel server script checks for NFS support by grepping through /proc/kallsyms
Mar 18 15:43:06 <jackmitchell> mdp: ok, hardware or software? I'm still grokking the code trying to get a handle on where it could happening
Mar 18 15:43:20 <mru> alan_o: you find that surprising?
Mar 18 15:44:34 <alan_o> mru which part?
Mar 18 15:44:49 <mru> ubuntu doing stupid shit
Mar 18 15:44:50 * alan_o tries to infer the level of sarcasm
Mar 18 15:45:06 * av500 pushes ogra_ into the circle
Mar 18 15:45:14 <mdp> jackmitchell: not sure...seems very odd
Mar 18 15:45:43 <KotH> alan_o: no sarcasm involved
Mar 18 15:45:49 <KotH> alan_o: mru is just stating the truth
Mar 18 15:46:10 <ogra_> hey, i dont do kernels !
Mar 18 15:46:18 <alan_o> KotH: (sarcasm comment was directed at the original question before he put the answer)
Mar 18 15:46:22 <mru> ogra_: this was userspace
Mar 18 15:46:27 <av500> ogra_: we dont care
Mar 18 15:46:32 <ogra_> heh
Mar 18 15:46:38 <alan_o> KotH: mru: I guess nothing surprises me anymore
Mar 18 15:47:38 <KotH> alan_o: interestingly: debian does it the right way
Mar 18 15:47:49 <mru> KotH: and what's that?
Mar 18 15:47:53 <alan_o> so I must retract and apologize for my breaking userspace comment. in this case userspace was stupid
Mar 18 15:47:57 * mru thinks the right was is "try and find out"
Mar 18 15:48:03 <mru> *way
Mar 18 15:48:10 <alan_o> mru: rule #3?
Mar 18 15:48:16 <mru> indeed
Mar 18 15:48:17 <KotH> mru: grep nfs /proc/filesystems
Mar 18 15:48:24 <mdp> jackmitchell: are you *sure* this isn't two transfers requests?
Mar 18 15:48:26 <mru> KotH: why bother?
Mar 18 15:48:33 <mru> just try to start the damn daemon
Mar 18 15:48:39 <mru> if it works, the kernel has support
Mar 18 15:48:42 <mru> if not, it doesn't
Mar 18 15:48:59 <alan_o> that's what I would have expected to happen
Mar 18 15:49:00 <mru> this is the same kind of stupid as people first checking if a file exists, then opening it
Mar 18 15:49:14 <av500> of course
Mar 18 15:49:18 <av500> be polite
Mar 18 15:49:40 <jackmitchell> mdp: almost 100%, http://pastebin.com/mxW3cKBe
Mar 18 15:50:18 <jackmitchell> mdp: SPI Transfer being the important bit
Mar 18 15:50:40 <jackmitchell> so I ping the 'go' sysfs entry and it performs a sing 512 byte transfer
Mar 18 15:50:52 <mdp> jackmitchell: ok, thx
Mar 18 15:54:34 <ogra_>   * Grep after "init_nf(sd|<tab>)" instead of "init_nfsd" in kallsyms, to work
Mar 18 15:54:34 <ogra_>     around some odd symbol mangling problems on some alpha kernels.
Mar 18 15:54:34 <ogra_>     (Closes: #363932)
Mar 18 15:54:34 <ogra_>  -- Steinar H. Gunderson <sesse@debian.org>  Wed, 10 May 2006 22:00:59 +0200
Mar 18 15:54:46 <ogra_> just to point out ... thats not ubuntu crack
Mar 18 15:54:57 <ogra_> :)
Mar 18 15:55:04 <ogra_> (though i agree its gross)
Mar 18 15:55:05 <mru> if it's in ubuntu, it's ubuntu crack
Mar 18 15:55:10 <ogra_> heh
Mar 18 15:55:14 <av500> ogra_: stop confusing us with facts!
Mar 18 15:55:20 <ogra_> hahaha
Mar 18 15:55:32 <mru> it's certainly not on my system
Mar 18 15:55:37 <mru> and my system isn't ubuntu
Mar 18 15:55:41 <mru> so it must be ubuntu crack
Mar 18 15:55:49 <alan_o> mru, there's some logic :)
Mar 18 15:55:50 <ogra_> its certainly gone for years
Mar 18 15:56:10 <ogra_> thats from 2006
Mar 18 15:56:48 <mdp> jackmitchell: do you get the same gap with turbo off?
Mar 18 15:56:55 <jackmitchell> mdp: yes
Mar 18 15:56:59 <mdp> ok
Mar 18 16:11:54 <KotH> mru: good question... maybe the goal is better error msg
Mar 18 16:13:13 <mru> KotH: if nfs is not enabled in kernel, you'll get ENOSYS somewhere
Mar 18 16:13:17 <mru> then you know for sure
Mar 18 16:13:26 <KotH> alan_o: on my stone age (aka debian/stale) systems, it greps in /proc/filesystems and not in the ksyms
Mar 18 16:13:27 <mru> anything else is just guessing
Mar 18 16:13:55 <KotH> alan_o: it might have been necesarry in old old old kernels to use ksyms, but if even debian/stale doesnt use that anymore...
Mar 18 16:14:11 <KotH> mru: yes, but does the deamon report that to the init script?
Mar 18 16:14:36 <KotH> mru: yes, the right way would be to fix the daemon and get it to report it
Mar 18 16:14:46 <mru> the daemon is the best equipped to explain what went wrong
Mar 18 16:15:00 <mru> just fucking pass whatever errors it reports to the console
Mar 18 16:15:18 <KotH> preemptive explaination
Mar 18 16:15:27 <KotH> (modulo spellink)
Mar 18 16:15:51 <mru> but as we've seen, guessing before trying isn't fully reliable anyway
Mar 18 16:15:54 <KotH> time to go home and get some work done... bbl
Mar 18 16:15:59 <mru> work is overrated
Mar 18 16:39:31 <av500> mru: got it
Mar 18 16:41:31 <mdp> jackmitchell: kinda buried atm, but will try to grab a cap of the st7735 controller...to show an example of a transfer with dma where that gap doesn't happen
Mar 18 16:41:57 <mdp> I know when I first got dma working I looked at it and verified it looked good...unlike the anomaly you are seeing
Mar 18 16:42:00 <jackmitchell> mdp: thanks, I really appreciate it!
Mar 18 16:42:02 <mdp> probably worth re-verifying
Mar 18 16:43:00 <jackmitchell> mdp: I am also using the CCO kernel, is there a better branch for specifically testing the 'original' implementation, or is koens brach good?
Mar 18 16:45:48 <mdp> his is fine
Mar 18 16:46:05 <mdp> there's a lot of !functional changes that his tree may not have
Mar 18 16:46:12 <mdp> I haven't looked at what version is there
Mar 18 16:46:20 <mdp> I'm working on v10 for upstream atm
Mar 18 16:46:43 <mdp> but there hasn't been anything runtime functional since it was in RFC form anyway
Mar 18 16:52:24 <jackmitchell> mdp: while the st7735 will be interesting to see, does it make a difference that it is only doing writes, and not reads? Is the setup procedure the same
Mar 18 16:52:44 <mdp> setup is the same...spi is full duplex
Mar 18 16:52:58 <jackmitchell> ok!
Mar 18 16:53:55 <mdp> that case you found is arguably a padconf corner case ... i wouldn't rule out some kind of rx side fifo or whatever issue
Mar 18 16:53:59 <mdp> but it seems unlikely
Mar 18 16:54:09 <mdp> but something is wrong, that's for sure
Mar 18 16:55:48 <av500> jackmitchell: the scope pic, is that a read only setup?
Mar 18 16:56:34 <jackmitchell> av500: read only spi? if so, yes, there is no transmission going on
Mar 18 16:56:54 <jackmitchell> tx_buf is NULL
Mar 18 16:57:09 <jackmitchell> which is then automatically filled 0 in the driver
Mar 18 16:57:44 <jackmitchell> if you mean hardware, then yes, it is only connected to the scope, no other devices
Mar 18 16:58:58 <av500> ok
Mar 18 17:00:02 <jackmitchell> right home time, ciao all
Mar 18 17:00:44 <av500> mru: is that kernel now using 1 core o 8?
Mar 18 17:00:46 <av500> or*
Mar 18 17:01:00 <mru> just one afaik
Mar 18 17:01:12 <av500> doh
Mar 18 17:01:23 <mru> the idea is that you run sysbios on the rest
Mar 18 17:01:33 <av500> hm
Mar 18 17:01:56 <mru> for production use, I would't run linux at all
Mar 18 17:02:10 <mru> if you want linux, get a keystone2
Mar 18 17:02:13 <av500> as said, I will make it my DHCP server at home
Mar 18 17:02:19 <av500> :)
Mar 18 17:03:20 <av500> but this SDK has just the kernel
Mar 18 17:04:24 <av500> I bet some MGR ordered it to also run linux
Mar 18 17:04:42 <mru> it also has the uclibc runtime stuff
Mar 18 17:04:52 <mru> but no headers
Mar 18 17:05:08 <mru> but oddly crt*.o are there
Mar 18 17:05:42 <mru> linux is a convenient development tool
Mar 18 17:05:57 <mru> what with ssh, nfs, etc
Mar 18 17:06:20 <av500> yeah
Mar 18 17:06:32 <av500> need to see what is there in terms of booting the other cores via linux
Mar 18 17:07:51 <av500> I'd have expected a Linux demo that covers that
Mar 18 17:08:14 * mru performs an expectation adjustment on av500 
Mar 18 17:08:38 <av500> ha, I can telnet into it
Mar 18 17:08:44 <av500> awesome
Mar 18 17:08:48 <mru> I can ssh into mine
Mar 18 17:08:54 <mru> and run libav too
Mar 18 17:08:56 <av500> mru > av500
Mar 18 17:09:17 <mru> and as predicted, the gcc-build code is slow as hell
Mar 18 17:09:56 <mru> should be interesting to build with the ti compiler and see how that fares
Mar 18 17:10:06 <mdp> mru, it will be superior
Mar 18 17:10:16 <mru> and then see if ti people still think I'm crazy for using their compiler
Mar 18 17:10:23 <mdp> we do
Mar 18 17:10:38 <mdp> I would not use a TI compiler...you impress me
Mar 18 17:10:48 <mru> me using the ti arm compiler was just a prelude to this
Mar 18 17:11:02 <mru> since they have the same frontend, all those bugs are the same
Mar 18 17:11:20 <mru> and the arm compiler is easier to test
Mar 18 17:11:49 <av500> mru: did TI fix the compile to compile all of libav?
Mar 18 17:11:54 * av500 guesses not
Mar 18 17:11:57 <mru> after a fashion
Mar 18 17:12:00 <mru> it compiles now
Mar 18 17:12:08 <mdp> I do hope that end goal is to get the javascript brainfuck interpreter running on this.
Mar 18 17:12:11 <mru> fails a bunch of tests
Mar 18 17:12:15 <mru> some of that is libav's fault
Mar 18 17:12:18 <av500> oh
Mar 18 17:12:45 <mru> but I lack motivation to fix it
Mar 18 17:13:34 <av500> what is at fault?
Mar 18 17:13:44 <mru> unaligned memory access crap
Mar 18 17:13:55 <av500> and that worked on arm?
Mar 18 17:14:04 <mru> it's broken on arm with the ti compiler
Mar 18 17:14:14 <mru> because libav is buggy
Mar 18 17:14:25 <mru> and lies about alignment
Mar 18 17:14:29 <av500> ah
Mar 18 17:14:33 <mru> can be fixed by deleting a few lines of code
Mar 18 17:14:41 <mru> but meh
Mar 18 17:14:44 <av500> and why does gcc work?
Mar 18 17:14:45 <mru> nobody cares
Mar 18 17:14:50 <mru> because gcc doesn't use those lines
Mar 18 17:14:57 <mru> thus nobody cares
Mar 18 17:14:58 <av500> oic
Mar 18 17:15:04 <av500> filed a bug? :)
Mar 18 17:15:31 <mru> I guess watching them try to fix it might provide a few hours amusement
Mar 18 17:16:51 <mru> assuming someone did try
Mar 18 17:19:31 <mdp> u-boot cracks me up
Mar 18 17:19:57 <mdp> pci "subsystem" retains all the "hose" nomenclature from arch/powerpc land ;)
Mar 18 17:20:20 <mru> I remember hoses from alpha land
Mar 18 17:20:25 <av500> hose?
Mar 18 17:20:33 <mdp> mru, yeah, shared
Mar 18 17:20:36 <KotH> pants?
Mar 18 17:20:45 <av500> lace
Mar 18 17:21:01 <mdp> av500, each host bridge or root complex (in pcie-speak) is a "hose"
Mar 18 17:21:15 * av500 does not speak PCI
Mar 18 17:21:45 <mdp> a hose that sprays pci transactions throughout the land
Mar 18 17:22:26 <mru> and whenever you cross a bridge, you might need to swizzle some things
Mar 18 17:22:28 <mdp> reminds me of a friend that worked on that stuff too...with the nick "hozer"
Mar 18 17:22:44 <mdp> mru, pci interrupt swizzle FTW!
Mar 18 17:23:16 <mdp> mru, yeah, unlike boring pc stuff, we had lots of that in cPCI chassis
Mar 18 17:23:30 <mru> alpha was fun
Mar 18 17:23:53 <mru> that's why I still power mine up from time to time
Mar 18 17:23:55 <mranostay> morning again
Mar 18 17:24:01 <mru> again?
Mar 18 17:24:41 <mru> this bloody monday seems to be stuck in the morning and never get out of it
Mar 18 17:24:49 <mdp> and here I am again writing/debugging pci stuff by setting up "hoses"...nostalgia
Mar 18 17:24:57 <mranostay> every workday is a monday
Mar 18 17:25:17 <mdp> mranostay, not here..I've been provided a land flowing with milk and honey.
Mar 18 17:25:28 <mdp> and hoses
Mar 18 17:34:08 <KotH> fun fact: a boing 787 produces 1.5MW of power when all generators are running
Mar 18 17:34:20 <aholler_> I have several hosen
Mar 18 17:35:50 <ogra_> octahosen ?
Mar 18 17:36:16 <mranostay> KotH: that isn't fun
Mar 18 17:36:30 <cmicali> koth: that is pretty amazing.  Made me look it up and I found this, pretty interesting also: http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~electriconf/2008/PDFs/Karimi.pdf
Mar 18 17:37:54 <KotH> mranostay: i have a strange sense of what is fun and what not
Mar 18 17:39:52 <mranostay> has an urge for Swiss Turkey sandwich atm
Mar 18 17:40:08 <KotH> i doubt you can stomach that
Mar 18 17:48:13 <aholler> ogra_: jeans and such ;)
Mar 18 17:48:28 <ogra_> :)
Mar 18 17:49:33 <aholler> true hitech
Mar 18 17:50:20 <mru> badass rockstar tech?
Mar 18 18:01:28 * KotH wonders why so many laser diode manufacturers are located in germany
Mar 18 18:04:28 <aholler> part of our evil grandmaster plan to build a death planet with death rays
Mar 18 18:04:42 <agmlego> ^^^
Mar 18 18:05:19 <ka6sox-farfarawa> we are fighting back with the LEDs here...
Mar 18 18:08:35 <mranostay> ka6sox-farfarawa: that seems a losing battle :)
Mar 18 18:11:28 <aholler> but the truth might be the needs of the machine building industry
Mar 18 18:11:44 <KotH> that would surprise me
Mar 18 18:11:54 <KotH> what for would the machine industry need laser diodes?
Mar 18 18:12:06 <KotH> most of them are for communications, spectroscopy and stuff like that
Mar 18 18:12:18 <KotH> tooling is usally done with co2 lasers
Mar 18 18:13:12 <agmlego> KotH: A lot of vision/gauging work is done with lasers.
Mar 18 18:13:47 <KotH> is that a big enough market to justify >10 companies?
Mar 18 18:14:06 <agmlego> It is freqntly difficult for us, a US machine-vision branch of a German company, to get laser modules in less than two weeks, because they all come from Germany.
Mar 18 18:14:32 <agmlego> KotH: Nope. There are only like four companies that make laser modules.
Mar 18 18:14:46 <agmlego> Coherent, Global, Z-Laser, and Prophotonix.
Mar 18 18:14:51 <KotH> and the others are resellers?
Mar 18 18:14:56 <agmlego> Are the ones we have bought from.
Mar 18 18:15:12 <agmlego> As far as I can tell, yes.
Mar 18 18:15:19 <KotH> there is nanoplus missing on that list
Mar 18 18:16:04 <agmlego> Note that i listed the ones *we* have purchased rom... ;-P
Mar 18 18:16:36 <mrpackethead> mailing list trolls must be freindl
Mar 18 18:18:58 <agmlego> KotH: Looks like nanoplus only makes diodes, not modules.
Mar 18 18:19:14 <agmlego> Hence why we have ever bought from them; we do not work on that level.
Mar 18 18:19:37 <KotH> ah.. now i get it
Mar 18 18:19:48 <KotH> well, i'm looking at diodes only
Mar 18 18:20:05 <KotH> modules are too restricted for my need ;)
Mar 18 18:21:30 <mrpackethead> what kind of laser do you need KotH?
Mar 18 18:21:32 <KotH> though an 80W CW module would be nice to fry a few things ;)
Mar 18 18:22:01 <KotH> mrpackethead: narrow line width, high stability at specific wavelengths
Mar 18 18:22:09 <mrpackethead> how much power?
Mar 18 18:22:12 <KotH> mW
Mar 18 18:22:18 <_av500_> MW
Mar 18 18:22:22 <mrpackethead> signaling?
Mar 18 18:22:42 <mrpackethead> _av500_: the shift key is significant
Mar 18 18:22:45 <KotH> if i can get around it: none. if i cannot: 3GHz
Mar 18 18:23:04 <KotH> better 7GHz if possible
Mar 18 18:23:29 <KotH> oh.. and VCSEL are preferable to edge emitting
Mar 18 18:23:37 <KotH> (simpler optics)
Mar 18 18:24:07 <mrpackethead> free spae or are you going into fibre
Mar 18 18:24:12 <mrpackethead> space
Mar 18 18:24:13 <KotH> free space
Mar 18 18:24:22 <mrpackethead> mmm
Mar 18 18:24:47 <mrpackethead> how far is your RX from it?
Mar 18 18:24:49 <KotH> oh.. and before you ask, that's not for work, but private experimenting ;)
Mar 18 18:24:58 <KotH> half a meter at most
Mar 18 18:25:07 <_av500_> building a laser kebab?
Mar 18 18:25:18 <KotH> laser kebab cutter
Mar 18 18:25:35 <mrpackethead> some kind of communications link
Mar 18 18:25:45 <mrpackethead> thats freespace isolated?
Mar 18 18:25:48 <KotH> nope
Mar 18 18:25:52 <_av500_> flinging bits of kebab meat
Mar 18 18:26:00 <_av500_> can be communication too
Mar 18 18:26:24 <KotH> mrpackethead: google for "coherent population trapping"
Mar 18 18:27:21 <mrpackethead> you speaking my language
Mar 18 18:27:41 <KotH> hmm?
Mar 18 18:28:06 <_av500_> KotH: you want to trap infidels with a laser?
Mar 18 18:28:18 <mrpackethead> I worked on a Bose Einstein Condenstate project ages ago
Mar 18 18:28:33 <KotH> _av500_: that' be a magneto optical trap
Mar 18 18:28:47 <KotH> mrpackethead: oh..kay...
Mar 18 18:28:54 <KotH> mrpackethead: where?
Mar 18 18:29:01 <KotH> mrpackethead: what was the research goal?
Mar 18 18:29:03 <mrpackethead> University Of Otago
Mar 18 18:29:11 <mru> magneto from xmen?
Mar 18 18:29:27 <mrpackethead> my part of teh the work was perhaps pretty tiney
Mar 18 18:29:39 <mrpackethead> and certainly was'nt to do with teh optical trap
Mar 18 18:29:52 <mrpackethead> i build the magentic ion trap
Mar 18 18:29:54 <mrpackethead> on the end
Mar 18 18:30:18 <mrpackethead> to 'cool' of the 100,000 odd molecules or so
Mar 18 18:30:40 <mrpackethead> the laser stuff was however the bain of everyones life
Mar 18 18:30:56 <mrpackethead> the alignment of it was increadibly hard
Mar 18 18:30:57 <mru> prpplague: http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21835645
Mar 18 18:31:31 <_av500_> mru: http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/c6000_multi-core_dsps/f/639/t/160258.aspx
Mar 18 18:34:15 <aholler> floats in kernel-land?
Mar 18 18:34:40 <mru> eeeew
Mar 18 18:34:41 <mrpackethead> im sure the world has moved on a lot since then.
Mar 18 18:35:02 <KotH> mrpackethead: yeah.. BE condensates are not easy to do... especially if you go to molecules instead of single atoms
Mar 18 18:35:35 <mrpackethead> lol.. not at all.
Mar 18 18:36:23 <mrpackethead> try to cool anytbing to say about 400nK
Mar 18 18:36:40 <woglinde> hm so koth studied physics too
Mar 18 18:36:44 <mru> how about LE condensates?
Mar 18 18:36:47 <KotH> lol
Mar 18 18:36:51 <KotH> woglinde: nope, i didnt
Mar 18 18:36:52 * woglinde scratches the head
Mar 18 18:38:14 <mrpackethead> my bit was quite simply
Mar 18 18:38:30 <mrpackethead> to create a *very* special inductor
Mar 18 18:38:46 <mrpackethead> and drive it appropriately
Mar 18 18:38:52 <mrpackethead> for the magnetic trap
Mar 18 18:39:38 <mrpackethead> if i remember correclty it was only about 10^5 ions that ended up in BEC
Mar 18 18:40:27 <mrpackethead> crazy stuff
Mar 18 18:40:30 <mrpackethead> :-)
Mar 18 18:40:50 <mru> backward error correction?
Mar 18 18:41:02 <mrpackethead> Bose Einstein Condensate
Mar 18 18:41:15 <mrpackethead> the cheese troll is trying to trap ions.
Mar 18 18:42:01 <mrpackethead> on his kitchen table
Mar 18 18:42:02 <mrpackethead> :-)
Mar 18 18:44:26 <KotH> actually, it's not about trapping ions but the electrons of neutral atoms
Mar 18 18:46:09 <KotH> choerent population trapping is a form of spectroscopy, where you "excite" the atom with two photons that each individually would excite the electron, but together they dont
Mar 18 18:46:34 <KotH> that's why, CPT is often called electromagnetically induced transparency
Mar 18 18:46:45 <KotH> s/often/also/
Mar 18 18:48:13 <woglinde> o.O
Mar 18 18:48:24 <KotH> woglinde: yes?
Mar 18 18:50:34 <prpplague> mru: doh!
Mar 18 18:50:44 <prpplague> mru: bridgetown can be a little rough
Mar 18 18:50:58 <prpplague> mru: i've had a few attempting muggings there
Mar 18 18:51:00 <aholler> just ask the elves to get one of their cloaks
Mar 18 18:51:04 <mrpackethead> KotH: sorry i dont' know of any laser that might be suitable!
Mar 18 18:52:33 <KotH> mrpackethead: oh.. that's easy... any laser with a line width of <100MHz can be used for this, but the precision is relativly small
Mar 18 18:52:52 <KotH> using an extended cavity narrows the linewidht below 100kHz
Mar 18 18:53:03 <KotH> which is then more than enough
Mar 18 18:53:49 <KotH> the problem is then "only" to produce two photons with the exactly right difference in wavelength (or rather frequency in this case)
Mar 18 18:56:16 <_av500_> bit bang it
Mar 18 18:56:19 <_av500_> PRU can do it
Mar 18 18:56:26 <_av500_> clock it at a few GHz
Mar 18 18:56:31 <mdp> +1
Mar 18 18:56:37 <mdp> what can't PRU do?
Mar 18 18:57:00 <mrpackethead> the PRU can write documentation
Mar 18 18:57:01 <aholler> exciting electrons
Mar 18 18:57:05 <mrpackethead> with invisible ink
Mar 18 18:57:06 <_av500_> mdp: openCV
Mar 18 18:57:14 <_av500_> only ubuntu can do that
Mar 18 19:03:47 <mranostay> ok extra sillyness in the channel today
Mar 18 19:04:06 <KotH> it's friday, what do you expect?
Mar 18 19:04:17 <mru> unpossible
Mar 18 19:04:37 <mranostay> KotH: Friday?
Mar 18 19:04:48 <mranostay> you in a time warp?
Mar 18 19:05:28 <KotH> well.. there is always some part in the world, where it's friday
Mar 18 19:09:44 <mranostay> no there isn't
Mar 18 19:10:18 <mdp> mranostay, you are thinking to small...think multi-planar
Mar 18 19:10:22 <mdp> s/to/too
Mar 18 19:12:24 <mranostay> why couldn't i be in the always friday parallel universe?
Mar 18 19:12:46 <_av500_> mranostay: you can
Mar 18 19:12:52 <_av500_> found a startup
Mar 18 19:12:56 <_av500_> wrok your ass off
Mar 18 19:12:58 <_av500_> sell to google
Mar 18 19:13:00 <_av500_> done
Mar 18 19:13:12 <_av500_> if you are clever, skip step 2
Mar 18 19:13:39 <mranostay> heh
Mar 18 19:13:59 <mdp> talk your ass off
Mar 18 19:14:12 <mru> most days feel the same to me
Mar 18 19:14:26 <mru> might as well call it friday
Mar 18 19:14:29 <aholler> yes, talking is more important
Mar 18 19:14:52 <mru> talk out of your arse
Mar 18 19:14:56 <aholler> => badass rockstar tech
Mar 18 19:15:03 <mranostay> _av500_: better yet get dumb college kids that working hard matters in startups :)
Mar 18 19:16:29 <aholler> you still need the parallel universe to find out what some google manager would buy
Mar 18 19:19:28 <woglinde> oha patch 0/142
Mar 18 19:19:40 <woglinde> praise crtl+d
Mar 18 19:20:06 <mru> I don't believe in parallel universes
Mar 18 19:20:44 <mru> I'm sure they intersect once in a while
Mar 18 19:20:47 <_av500_> parallel computing at least?
Mar 18 19:21:19 <aholler> cloud universes
Mar 18 19:21:46 <mranostay> next time i hear cloud in a job interview i'm running :)
Mar 18 19:22:11 <aholler> lost in the fog?
Mar 18 19:22:17 <mru> my would've-been degree was in parallel computer systems
Mar 18 19:24:29 <KotH> mranostay: sounds like you have a trauma
Mar 18 19:24:53 <KotH> mranostay: if you want, i could offer you to sit on my couch for a bit and we could talk about it
Mar 18 19:25:31 <mranostay> see it all started when i was 4...
Mar 18 19:25:34 <aholler> about cloudy electrons?
Mar 18 19:25:42 * mru orders another pint
Mar 18 19:25:55 <mranostay> mru: make it a er a double?
Mar 18 19:26:16 <mranostay> <-- never wants to  see another beer again after this weekend
Mar 18 19:26:34 <mru> you're doing it wrong
Mar 18 19:26:36 <KotH> switching to whiskey then?
Mar 18 19:26:57 <mru> but so did I at your age
Mar 18 19:27:28 <_av500_> half drunk is wasted money
Mar 18 19:27:52 <mranostay> _av500_: i really don't like getting drunk
Mar 18 19:27:58 <mru> the trick is getting exactly drunk
Mar 18 19:28:06 <mranostay> however that clearly doesn't stop me :)
Mar 18 19:28:15 <mru> without getting wasted
Mar 18 19:31:52 <mru> KotH: I prefer whisky
Mar 18 19:32:18 <KotH> mru: i prefere cats
Mar 18 19:32:20 <mru> scotch is more interesting than irish
Mar 18 19:33:07 <mru> I like cats too, but weren't we discussing drinks?
Mar 18 19:33:29 <_av500_> speaking of cats and drinks: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9dmujnXnL1qm6sfao1_500.gif
Mar 18 19:33:49 <_av500_> (this just scrolled by)
Mar 18 19:33:50 <woglinde> hm I should have bought a beer too
Mar 18 19:34:02 <_av500_> woglinde: go to the Späti
Mar 18 19:38:55 <KotH> but remember boys: dont drink and derive!
Mar 18 19:40:10 <mranostay> someone cut that man off
Mar 18 19:40:43 <mru> KotH: did you see my tshirt at fosdem?
Mar 18 19:41:23 <KotH> mru: which one?
Mar 18 19:41:41 <mru> the calculus one
Mar 18 19:41:47 <KotH> i dont think so
Mar 18 19:42:13 <_av500_> mru: I barely saw you at fosdem, our timezones did not overlap
Mar 18 19:42:20 <woglinde> do not drink and do maths?
Mar 18 19:42:35 <woglinde> koth no need for spaeti at this time
Mar 18 19:42:48 <woglinde> rewe is open till 9.30 p.m.
Mar 18 19:43:03 <mru> _av500_: I definitely saw you
Mar 18 19:43:17 <mru> but then you're a bit bigger
Mar 18 19:43:41 <KotH> woglinde: we might look similar, but i think the difference in size between av500 and me makes us pretty hard to confuse
Mar 18 19:44:06 <_av500_> woglinde: support your local Späti!
Mar 18 19:44:18 <_av500_> and I have Rewe until midnight here :-P
Mar 18 19:44:57 <mru> you don't have pubs?
Mar 18 19:45:23 <mru> what a horrible country
Mar 18 19:45:44 <KotH> yeah.. i wouldnt want to live in germany either
Mar 18 19:47:33 <mru> but you don't drink
Mar 18 19:47:53 <KotH> see! germany is that bad!
Mar 18 19:48:45 <_av500_> mru: in fact we do not have pubs
Mar 18 19:49:16 <_av500_> sure there are places where one can drink beer
Mar 18 19:50:05 <mru> do you have barmaids?
Mar 18 19:55:18 <woglinde> mru we have eckkneipe
Mar 18 19:55:28 <woglinde> but they mostly suckz
Mar 18 19:56:26 <mru> that's no good then
Mar 18 19:56:33 <woglinde> yeah
Mar 18 19:56:40 <woglinde> no flair like a pub
Mar 18 19:57:14 <woglinde> but there are some nice irish pubs in berlin
Mar 18 19:57:37 <woglinde> but none nearby
Mar 18 19:57:59 * mru is not a huge fan of 'irish' pubs
Mar 18 19:58:46 <woglinde> hm but they looks like the pub I have seen in england
Mar 18 19:58:52 <woglinde> maybee only calling
Mar 18 19:59:23 <woglinde> and of course they have no local brewed beer
Mar 18 19:59:40 <mru> the ones I've seen are nothing like my local pub
Mar 18 19:59:57 <koen> is there an old man collecting money for "the cause"?
Mar 18 20:00:19 <mru> for starters, the barmaids don't know me
Mar 18 20:01:54 <woglinde> mru sorry that I have not seen your pub
Mar 18 20:02:13 <woglinde> okay good nite
Mar 18 20:02:24 <woglinde> maybee I can sleep this night a bit better
Mar 18 20:19:44 <_av500_> drink a warm beer
Mar 18 20:20:25 <KotH> lauwarme cervizia? is this some kind of asterix or what?
Mar 18 20:21:13 <mru> warm beer, yuck
Mar 18 20:21:29 <_av500_> its for medical reasons
Mar 18 20:21:36 <_av500_> not supposed to taste good
Mar 18 20:22:47 <mru> speaking of bad beer...
Mar 18 20:23:15 <mru> someone ordered a fosters, and the barmaid serving said to the other "I don't understand it either"
Mar 18 20:23:28 <mru> she was referring to something else, but it was funny nonetheless
Mar 18 20:28:38 <_av500_> prpplague is rpi trolling
Mar 18 20:28:56 <prpplague> hehe
Mar 18 20:31:51 <mrpackethead> its a fun day, when a prototype works.
Mar 18 20:32:07 <ds2> bah... that is so everyday
Mar 18 20:32:18 <mrpackethead> but i don't remember a day when we had 2 differnet projects all hit go, today.
Mar 18 20:32:51 <mru> prototype working is nothing
Mar 18 20:33:02 <mrpackethead> ok..
Mar 18 20:33:12 <mru> let me know when the real thing works and we can talk
Mar 18 20:33:21 <mrpackethead> prototype workign is an important step in getting there
Mar 18 20:35:49 <ds2> donno why you make non working prototypes
Mar 18 20:36:01 <mru> seem pointless indeed
Mar 18 20:36:12 <_av500_> we made plenty of those
Mar 18 20:36:16 <mrpackethead> beacuse unlike you perfect trolls, i'm still learning
Mar 18 20:36:19 <_av500_> once they forgot to connect the VCC layer
Mar 18 20:36:31 <_av500_> it was there just connected to nothing
Mar 18 20:36:32 <mru> prototypes are what you show the boss/customer
Mar 18 20:36:41 <mru> why would you make those non-working?
Mar 18 20:36:52 <ds2> nothing careful drilling can't fix
Mar 18 20:36:54 <mru> the former, that is
Mar 18 20:37:01 <mru> non-working bosses are commonplace
Mar 18 20:37:04 <ds2> a few minutes over to the machine shop and you are done
Mar 18 20:37:14 <mru> if anyone sees a working boss, please let me know
Mar 18 20:37:17 <_av500_> ds2: they started to solder it and gave up after one day
Mar 18 20:37:17 <mru> or customer
Mar 18 20:37:31 <ds2> _av500_: you need better hw engineers :D
Mar 18 20:37:45 <ds2> or better sw engineers that can work around bad hw engineers...
Mar 18 20:37:50 <_av500_> oh, the solder lady was good
Mar 18 20:38:03 <ds2> but then again, I am still waiting for a non F'ed charging :D
Mar 18 20:38:06 <_av500_> but getting vcc to BGA pins was kinda hard
Mar 18 20:38:16 <ds2> drilling. got to drill
Mar 18 20:38:49 <_av500_> ds2: you know why they call buried vias buried?
Mar 18 20:39:14 <ds2> so you unbury them with a drill
Mar 18 20:39:14 <mru> just put them on the internet, nothing can stay buried there
Mar 18 20:40:41 <ds2> _av500_: buried vias is to keep things within the PCB fab specs... you can have more accurate machineshops get around that
Mar 18 20:42:05 <_av500_> ds2: next one I will ship to you
Mar 18 20:42:32 <ds2> just include the address to send the bill to :D
Mar 18 20:43:10 <_av500_> > /dev/null
Mar 18 20:48:04 <Shadyman> ^
Mar 18 20:49:23 <mrpackethead> lol.. I just got an email from TI, asking me to join their "expert advisory panel"
Mar 18 20:49:30 <mrpackethead> i think their selection process is broken.
Mar 18 20:49:43 <Shadyman> haha
Mar 18 20:50:18 <_av500_> is that like expertsexchange.com?
Mar 18 20:50:33 <mranostay> heh
Mar 18 20:50:45 <Shadyman> http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/picture/danaleeo/KIDSEXCHANGE.png
Mar 18 20:50:59 <_av500_> think of the children
Mar 18 20:51:04 <Shadyman> I just did.
Mar 18 20:51:04 <mdp> I see what you did there
Mar 18 20:56:53 <mru> _av500_: expert-sex-change.com?
Mar 18 20:57:33 <_av500_> I hope its experts doing that
Mar 18 20:57:41 <mranostay> +1
Mar 18 20:58:24 <mru> I've never met anyone who did it more than once...
Mar 18 20:58:34 <mru> is once enough to become an expert?
Mar 18 21:00:09 <mranostay> heh
Mar 18 21:00:14 <mranostay> seems so
Mar 18 21:02:05 <mru> I guess I should qualify that with afaik
Mar 18 21:33:35 <_av500_> mru: that C66xx has no MMU, right?
Mar 18 21:33:40 <_av500_> so that ucLinux?
Mar 18 21:33:44 <_av500_> that's
Mar 18 21:34:50 <mru> it's uclinux, yes
Mar 18 23:34:08 * mranostay scrolls through the Goodman thread
Mar 18 23:34:24 <mranostay> never seen so many armchair lawyers in one thread :)
Mar 18 23:35:36 <Russ> I nominate thomas charron for the winning post
Mar 18 23:35:38 <Russ> http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/2013-February/003698.html
Mar 18 23:36:22 <Russ> and all the leave britney alone posts for honorable mention
Mar 18 23:40:30 <mranostay> epic thread is epic
Mar 18 23:41:56 <Russ> what happened to the march archive?
Mar 18 23:43:44 <wmat> what's an Anthrax kernel?
Mar 18 23:43:53 <mru> toxic
Mar 18 23:44:13 <wmat> heh
Mar 18 23:44:41 <biot> I'm going to make a wild guess, and say that it's a forum-based project filled with fanboyz
Mar 18 23:44:50 <biot> call me prejudiced all you want
Mar 18 23:44:54 <Russ> HOW DO YOU DO THAT!?!?
Mar 18 23:44:59 <ds2> heavy metal kernels?
Mar 18 23:45:08 <mru> biot: from what I've seen, that pretty much sums it up
Mar 18 23:45:21 * wmat googles for megadeth kernel
Mar 18 23:45:32 <biot> the fanboy vibe in that GPL violations thread is just off the charts
Mar 18 23:45:57 <wmat> would an Anthrax/Public Enemy kernel be cross platform?
Mar 18 23:46:02 <Russ> my phone performance is so much better! at least orange times better!
Mar 18 23:46:11 * biot giggles
Mar 18 23:46:14 <mru> lïnüx kërnël
Mar 18 23:46:43 <biot> a four-umlaut kernel!
Mar 18 23:47:10 <wmat> http://linuxgizmos.com/armbrix-zero-board-discontinued/#more-17347
Mar 18 23:47:44 <mru> uhm, umlaut does not mean "ascii letter with dots"
Mar 18 23:47:56 <biot> it's just the dots, right?
Mar 18 23:48:00 <mru> no
Mar 18 23:48:30 <biot> in any case, I was paraphrasing a famous quote from a book. which nobody got.
Mar 18 23:48:38 <mru> dots in some cases indicate umlaut
Mar 18 23:48:41 <mru> not always
Mar 18 23:48:44 <mru> never with e
Mar 18 23:49:34 <mru> do people around here not speak german?
Mar 18 23:49:38 <mranostay> you know i would expect this guy to be called Chad
Mar 18 23:49:44 <wmat> nein
Mar 18 23:49:46 <mranostay> that has be a d-bag only name :)
Mar 18 23:49:54 <Russ> mranostay, really, I was thinking 'the chad'
Mar 18 23:50:30 <mru> isn't chad a country in africa?
Mar 18 23:54:06 <mru> mranostay: so you believe in nominative determinism?
Mar 18 23:58:32 <mranostay> sure
Mar 18 23:58:56 <mru> does that mean we can blame our parents for all the shit that happens to us?
Mar 19 00:01:08 <biot> my kid certainly does
Mar 19 00:01:12 <biot> BUT ANYWAY
Mar 19 00:12:30 <mranostay> crpa prpplague is back
Mar 19 00:16:41 <prpplague> :)
Mar 19 00:16:58 <prpplague> and with veggie burgers and beer
Mar 19 00:17:08 <biot> prpplague: you pang?
Mar 19 00:17:20 <prpplague> biot: hmmm
Mar 19 00:17:26 * prpplague tries to remember
Mar 19 00:19:33 <mranostay> prpplague: veggie burgers? are those even legal in Texas?
Mar 19 00:20:14 <prpplague> mranostay: ssshhh
Mar 19 00:20:36 <mru> mranostay: :)
Mar 19 00:26:36 <prpplague> mranostay: cruising alone with that design?
Mar 19 00:27:10 <Russ> prpplague, he better hurry up, or I'll send something off
Mar 19 00:27:33 <mranostay> prpplague: i'm at my day job atm
Mar 19 00:27:40 <prpplague> Russ: hehe, about the veggie burger?
Mar 19 00:27:49 <mranostay> Russ: stop stealing my thunder :)
Mar 19 00:27:49 <prpplague> mranostay: no worries, just teasing you
Mar 19 00:28:03 <Russ> prpplague, about the design
Mar 19 00:28:19 <prpplague> Russ: hehe
Mar 19 00:28:45 * prpplague wonders if Russ wants in on the design
Mar 19 00:28:58 <prpplague> or if Russ is just trolling
Mar 19 00:29:04 <mranostay> never can tell
Mar 19 00:29:09 <prpplague> indeed
Mar 19 00:29:29 * prpplague is calling in a bunch of favors to get these projects done on time
Mar 19 00:30:05 * mranostay wants to put a few Godfather references in here
Mar 19 00:30:13 <prpplague> hehe
Mar 19 00:34:51 <mranostay> why do i feel prpplague is outsourcing his job? :P
Mar 19 00:35:17 <prpplague> mranostay: hehe
Mar 19 00:36:09 <prpplague> mranostay: just need people i trust to get the items done
Mar 19 00:36:21 <prpplague> mranostay: get some pcb layout people later
Mar 19 00:36:41 <prpplague> mranostay: i don't trust the "contractors" that CCO has been using for some of their smaller projects
Mar 19 00:36:48 <ds2> "If you want it done right, do it yourself." ;)
Mar 19 00:36:55 <prpplague> ds2: indeed
Mar 19 00:37:13 <prpplague> mranostay: i don't have time to baby sit them to make sure it gets done
Mar 19 00:37:57 <ds2> prpplague: shouldn't the correct term be 'supervise' and mentor the more junior folks so the team can be better improved :D
Mar 19 00:38:20 <prpplague> ds2: these are outside contractors.....
Mar 19 00:38:36 <ds2> oh
Mar 19 00:38:58 <mranostay> prpplague: do these contracters work for a company that starts with M? :)
Mar 19 00:39:21 <ds2> mranostay: they can't afford those
Mar 19 00:39:54 * mranostay fistbumps Crofton 
Mar 19 00:39:56 <mranostay> Crofton: my main IRC dude
Mar 19 00:40:50 <mranostay> seems that was too much
Mar 19 00:41:16 <prpplague> mranostay: no comment
Mar 19 00:42:08 <mranostay> i already know they are... :P
Mar 19 00:44:40 <prpplague> mranostay: then you know why i need people i can trust to get it done...
Mar 19 00:48:53 <Crofton> so cold
Mar 19 00:49:08 <Crofton> I need to give up sking and spend more time diving somewhere warm
Mar 19 00:55:00 <wmat> diving seems to be the geeky sport of choice :/
Mar 19 00:55:07 <prpplague> Crofton: barbados?
Mar 19 00:55:30 <Crofton> is the diving good?
Mar 19 00:56:05 <mru> wmat: just wait until linus takes up fly fishing
Mar 19 00:56:18 <wmat> heh
Mar 19 00:56:25 <prpplague> little known fact, when the british imported the mongoose to barbados, they basically made snakes extinct
Mar 19 00:56:37 <prpplague> so my wife has never seen a real live snake before
Mar 19 00:56:57 * prpplague stopped at toys-r-us this evening and purchased a rather realistic looking snake
Mar 19 00:56:58 <wmat> yes, but they have giant centipede
Mar 19 00:57:04 <prpplague> wmat: indeed
Mar 19 00:57:19 <mru> to me those seem creepier than snakes
Mar 19 00:57:32 <mru> but then I'm from a part of the world with only harmless snakes
Mar 19 00:58:23 <prpplague> well this plastic snake is going to be placed strategically in the shower later these week
Mar 19 00:58:34 <wmat> prpplague: you're evil
Mar 19 00:58:42 <mru> prpplague: pics please
Mar 19 00:58:54 <prpplague> mru: of me being killed or of the snake?
Mar 19 00:59:05 <mru> both?
Mar 19 00:59:49 <prpplague> hehe
Mar 19 01:00:13 <mru> maybe you'll be killed _with_ the snake
Mar 19 01:02:19 <prpplague> tonight on the news at 11 - man strangled to death with plastic snake
Mar 19 01:04:44 <prpplague> hmm
Mar 19 01:05:01 <Crofton> this makes Barbados attractive
Mar 19 01:05:01 * prpplague tries to decide what to do with the extra usb port on the trainer lure
Mar 19 01:05:11 <prpplague> Crofton: sorry yes, very good diving
Mar 19 01:05:25 <prpplague> Crofton: several old ship wrecks
Mar 19 01:05:38 <prpplague> Crofton: lots of good reef stuff
Mar 19 01:05:45 * prpplague has never been but hears it is very good
Mar 19 01:22:04 <ka6sox-farfarawa> have we started the petition for next year yet?
Mar 19 01:41:17 <Russ> prpplague, embedded usb ssd
Mar 19 01:43:12 <prpplague> ka6sox-farfarawa: which petition is that?
Mar 19 01:43:28 <ka6sox-farfarawa> prpplague, the one to move ELC to ELC-C
Mar 19 01:43:42 <wmat> ELC Barbados, of course
Mar 19 01:43:59 <ogra_> ELC-B
Mar 19 01:44:42 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Central or Carribean...your choice
Mar 19 01:45:40 <wmat> C==Canada ;)
Mar 19 01:45:48 <prpplague> hehe
Mar 19 01:51:01 <ka6sox-farfarawa> s/ELC-C/ELC-B/g
Mar 19 02:03:38 <mranostay> prpplague: plastic snake?
Mar 19 02:05:18 <prpplague> mranostay: argh, can't finalize this lure, i was thinking of adding a gpio expander
Mar 19 02:05:22 <prpplague> mranostay: too much?
Mar 19 02:05:37 <prpplague> mranostay: and should i add a can bus tranceiver?
Mar 19 02:05:40 <wmat> prpplague: add a bottle opener
Mar 19 02:06:01 <prpplague> wmat: thats what i use my panda for
Mar 19 02:06:20 <wmat> ouch
Mar 19 02:06:42 * prpplague ponders
Mar 19 02:07:21 <wmat> can you make it metallic red/white so I can catch pike with it
Mar 19 02:07:43 <prpplague> hehe
Mar 19 02:07:46 <ka6sox-farfarawa> an expander would be nice
Mar 19 02:08:00 <ka6sox-farfarawa> can't have too much GPIO to use for bitbanging.
Mar 19 02:08:36 <mranostay> PRU lure!!!
Mar 19 02:10:16 <mrpackethead> prubang
Mar 19 02:20:54 * prpplague grumbles about his feet being cold
Mar 19 02:21:07 <mrpackethead> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/895006_10151509864377661_825530314_o.jpg
Mar 19 02:21:56 <prpplague> damm that is one ugly person! there face looks like a pcb
Mar 19 02:22:08 <mrpackethead> lol.
Mar 19 02:22:26 <mrpackethead> that LED is scary bright
Mar 19 02:22:36 <mrpackethead> you certinaly can't look at it head on.
Mar 19 02:35:26 <prpplague> the beacon lives again! muahahaa - http://www.elinux.org/Beacon_Lure#Description
Mar 19 02:56:27 <mrpackethead> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cseTX_rW3uM&feature=youtu.be&ref=nf   this is crazy
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