**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 28 02:59:58 2013 Mar 28 03:00:13 prpplague: what's the other sw u used? Mar 28 03:00:42 ds2: allegro, altium, diptrace, kicad Mar 28 03:00:53 ahh Mar 28 03:01:01 isn't allegro also quirky? Mar 28 03:01:30 not like eagle Mar 28 03:01:40 eagle is the quirkiest of the bunch Mar 28 03:02:04 altium is just wierd Mar 28 03:02:11 guess it grows on you Mar 28 03:02:58 imho diptrace is the best bang for the buck and runs under wine Mar 28 03:03:06 so that is where i am headed Mar 28 03:03:18 eagle is still getting used for the "sfe" crowd Mar 28 03:04:00 lack of libraries though Mar 28 03:04:00 nor is there integration with simulation Mar 28 03:04:27 ds2: you mean for diptrace? Mar 28 03:04:31 yes Mar 28 03:04:58 I am happy dealing with eagle Mar 28 03:05:06 each to his own Mar 28 03:05:17 *nod* Mar 28 03:05:33 if diptrace integrated with SPICE, it would carry more weight Mar 28 03:14:29 prpplague, ah, understood Mar 28 03:14:34 I'm using gEDA and PCB Mar 28 03:14:56 ka6sox: ahh Mar 28 03:17:07 diptrace doesn't have a spice netlist export? Mar 28 03:38:06 Hmm, if I'm pulling (peak) 420mA on the cape connector's 3.3V lines (out of 500mA available), should I be using an LDO from 5V instead? Mar 28 03:38:21 IIRC, 500mA is the practical limit Mar 28 03:45:55 well, 'peak' being class 10 GSM transmission Mar 28 04:32:39 Hello, all. I have recently started using a 3V battery for the clock and have had inconsistent results in regard to keeping clock time. The battery should be rechargeable, so I was wondering whether it would be possible to get the board to recharge the clock battery and, if so, what needs to be done to enable. Thanks. Mar 28 04:36:52 GZA_, need input...not enough information to help. Mar 28 04:37:20 heh Mar 28 04:38:30 emeb_mac: FPGA dude Mar 28 04:38:56 mranostay: nixiedude! Mar 28 04:39:18 what else would be helpful to know? Mar 28 04:39:48 Thank you for your response, ka6sox Mar 28 04:40:08 what beagle model, what clock, how are you powering this. Mar 28 04:40:38 xM, RTC, 5V 2A wall adapter Mar 28 04:42:22 mranostay: I have a pack of IN-12A here :3 Mar 28 04:42:27 because nixies Mar 28 04:46:01 Shadyman: VFD's techically Mar 28 04:46:20 might be thinking of a different number then Mar 28 04:46:26 I've got some VFDs and some nixies Mar 28 04:47:40 IV-18's here Mar 28 04:49:06 is that adequate, ka6sox? Mar 28 04:49:27 ah, yeah, in12a was the nixie-esque thing, the vfd is... IV17 Mar 28 04:50:29 i've got a box of 12 of 'em :3 Mar 28 04:51:06 GZA_, ya its enough...the RTC onboard (I don't have an xM) Mar 28 04:51:34 is there a battery pin for it? Mar 28 04:53:52 yes. you have to remove a resistor and then there is a location to solder two pins into the board, if I am understanding you correctly. Mar 28 04:55:04 you already know more than me! Mar 28 04:55:31 find the Datasheet for the RTC part and see if it has reference drawings and parts for this BBUP module. Mar 28 04:57:30 BBUP? Mar 28 05:00:41 battery backup Mar 28 05:01:28 Thanks, Shady. Mar 28 05:05:08 * mranostay hides from mag Mar 28 05:05:09 emeb_mac, yay gtkwave http://i.imgur.com/u63YN4K.png Mar 28 05:05:26 * Russ hides his hostname from mag Mar 28 05:05:35 mranostay: no wonder I can never find you :) Mar 28 05:05:56 Russ: cool. What's the source of the wave dump? Mar 28 05:06:12 Russ: hmm Mar 28 05:06:14 the micron nand flash model and test bench, running under icarus Mar 28 05:07:30 Russ: nice. Icarus is turning out quite nicely. I remember 10+ years ago when it was brand new and a bit rickety... Mar 28 05:08:14 I had to check out the git version to support the micron code Mar 28 05:08:18 multidimensional arrays Mar 28 05:08:31 aha. good that it's there tho. Mar 28 07:52:51 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to beaglebone-3.2: http://git.io/33vWiw Mar 28 07:52:52 kernel/beaglebone-3.2 257b82b Koen Kooi: beaglebone 3.2: update to 3.2.42... Mar 28 07:53:55 mranostay, are we getting up early tomorrow? Mar 28 07:55:31 a wonderfull FRIDAY morning! :-) Mar 28 07:57:30 gm Mar 28 07:57:37 hi cheese Mar 28 08:04:49 KotH, are you on Venus? Mar 28 08:10:25 * av500 cries http://www.bob.at/gigabob Mar 28 08:10:42 ka6sox-away: no work tomorrow, hence it must be friday ;) Mar 28 08:12:18 av500: switching conctracts now? :) Mar 28 08:12:44 and moving to austria Mar 28 08:12:58 I was reading up on the new glorious t-mobile usa stuff Mar 28 08:13:19 and lol'ed Mar 28 08:14:08 hm? what are ze germans doing in ze states now? Mar 28 08:14:30 they are "stopping ze bullshit" Mar 28 08:14:47 http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/26/4148836/stop-bullshit-says-tmobile-ceo-john-legere Mar 28 08:17:18 ....That’s on top of service fees that start at $50 per month for unlimited talk, text and 500 megabytes of data.... Mar 28 08:30:29 https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/v/888258_10151585680628086_11468384_o.jpg?oh=d90825a6258c08d3825b02e2eb759cdf&oe=5156054B&__gda__=1364649934_56233a08fe9315a2d7f109054da6e214 new beagle Mar 28 08:36:12 av500: ze bullshit! Mar 28 08:37:29 av500: for 45chf i get unlimited talk, text and data Mar 28 08:37:48 So when will mother beagle give birth to the overteased black bone. Mar 28 08:38:46 I did register for the birth party Mar 28 08:39:40 av500: for 110chf i even get unlimited talk to all european countries, canada, and the us :) Mar 28 08:40:10 I also have the feeling many people here already saw the baby Mar 28 08:40:37 which would mean the baby will be put back into the mothers womb for the birth? Mar 28 08:41:13 I guess Mar 28 09:11:05 hello Mar 28 09:12:11 world Mar 28 09:27:27 http://www.techdesignforums.com/blog/2013/03/27/beaglebone-preview/ (An April launch date has been promised and some ‘special people’ have already had a chance to play with them.) Mar 28 09:29:43 * av500 feels special Mar 28 09:30:18 I will start a google+ group for special people Mar 28 09:47:01 mranostay: well there's Design West, in San Jose, right in that period in april Mar 28 09:47:17 ...starting at $2000 :-) Mar 28 09:55:35 biot: DW has a free as in beer entry for the booth halls Mar 28 09:55:40 $2k is for the presentations Mar 28 09:56:53 yeah, but the presentations look great, that's what would interest me Mar 28 09:57:08 hmmm Mar 28 09:57:25 I didn't find DW that interesting last time around Mar 28 09:57:34 most booths have booth babes Mar 28 09:57:49 I can't take a company seriously when they use booth babes Mar 28 09:57:56 not after the pycon debacle Mar 28 09:58:10 it'll be strictly fat neckbeards from now on Mar 28 09:58:15 >50% of the booths are about 'jtag' and 'boundary scan' Mar 28 09:59:13 * koen is glad prpplague drew the short straw on that tradeshow Mar 28 09:59:31 hm, who's behind that wandboard? Mar 28 09:59:38 * koen learns about CRDA Mar 28 10:06:30 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to beaglebone-3.2: http://git.io/aUtBpg Mar 28 10:06:30 kernel/beaglebone-3.2 65c5161 Koen Kooi: beaglebone-3.2: add proper db.txt for CRDA... **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 28 11:23:01 2013 Mar 28 11:24:30 KotH: wifi regulations Mar 28 11:27:53 ahh **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 28 11:31:15 2013 Mar 28 11:50:47 hm, one more SBC to my dust collection edition :p Mar 28 11:51:50 heh Mar 28 11:52:46 meh :) Mar 28 11:53:02 biot: fat neckbeards at least have interesting techie stories Mar 28 11:54:19 hey, I don't need convincing. I'm all for boothbeards. Mar 28 11:54:28 ;) Mar 28 11:56:34 ynezz: which one? Mar 28 11:56:58 lol:http://www.wandboard.org/ Mar 28 11:57:03 see the usage poll Mar 28 11:58:39 lol Mar 28 11:59:20 the other one is telling... Mar 28 11:59:21 a WDTV live is more convenient Mar 28 11:59:35 "I mainline the software" 2 people ;) of course Mar 28 11:59:55 lol yes Mar 28 12:00:43 Hello! It's me again :) Mar 28 12:01:12 Following up on yesterday's PRU discussion, I'm about to start building a kernel that supports it Mar 28 12:01:14 everybody, RUN! Mar 28 12:01:32 * mdp seals the bulkhead door Mar 28 12:01:35 Obviously https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8 does not contain the actual kernel sources, which one do you guys suggest I use :) Mar 28 12:01:36 lol Mar 28 12:01:41 I just want to plaaaay :P Mar 28 12:01:52 Where did everybody go!? Huh!? Mar 28 12:01:53 ./patch.sh Mar 28 12:02:07 follow the README.md Mar 28 12:02:08 Stefan__: why not read the README? Mar 28 12:02:08 does it automatically pull it down? Mar 28 12:02:18 it's automagic, yes Mar 28 12:02:21 less patch.sh Mar 28 12:02:21 I read the readme but I assumed that just patches things :) Mar 28 12:02:30 dont assume Mar 28 12:02:33 do as told Mar 28 12:02:57 av500: yep :) Mar 28 12:03:04 My sincerest apologies :) Mar 28 12:03:10 I feel like an ass :) Mar 28 12:03:17 ynezz: bought one? Mar 28 12:03:20 I should have opened it to see the git command staring me in the face :) Mar 28 12:03:39 av500: yes, both Mar 28 12:03:45 so triple core Mar 28 12:03:51 ! Mar 28 12:03:59 can they be linked?!? Mar 28 12:04:05 hot glue Mar 28 12:04:07 a13 is such a pile of crap Mar 28 12:04:12 ? Mar 28 12:04:15 its awesoem Mar 28 12:04:26 ynezz: huh? I love my a13 Mar 28 12:04:37 fight! Mar 28 12:05:01 * mdp lobs the holy hand grenade at ynezz Mar 28 12:05:01 maybe I should try something different then the olinuxino then :D Mar 28 12:05:06 hi Mar 28 12:05:25 ynezz, I'm happy with that board too ;) Mar 28 12:05:28 ynezz: maybe mdp loves in a different way? Mar 28 12:05:34 ynezz, what's wrong? Mar 28 12:05:50 you can boot linux from u-boot in nand? Mar 28 12:05:58 * mdp draws a creeper card and ... Mar 28 12:06:15 what? love is creepy now? Mar 28 12:06:38 ynezz, I'm doing some devel on it, not running the vendor tree stuff so can't speak to that Mar 28 12:06:40 av500: when it's directed at inanimate objects -- a little yes :) Mar 28 12:07:32 mdp: 6502 emulator? Mar 28 12:07:45 top sekrit Mar 28 12:07:54 did you join maxime in upstreaming? Mar 28 12:08:02 mdp: and do you enjoy that script.bin crap? Mar 28 12:08:03 information wants to be enslaved Mar 28 12:09:16 ynezz: that can be addressed upstream Mar 28 12:09:25 wow, openCV at it's full potential: http://olimex.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/make-door-security-logger-with-a13-olinuxino-wifi-opencv/ Mar 28 12:09:38 mdp: everything could be of course :) patches are welcome... Mar 28 12:09:43 tl;dr: skip the CV use a GPIO Mar 28 12:09:54 ynezz: I really like the trivial and useful usb protocol Mar 28 12:10:13 mdp: I use LiveSuite :) Mar 28 12:11:34 mdp: I didn't looked that deep yet Mar 28 12:12:04 ynezz: it's worth taking a look at the elegant KISS approach of all the IP in those parts Mar 28 12:12:21 can make you want to cry if you work on overengineered stuff by day Mar 28 12:12:27 :) Mar 28 12:12:33 *ahem* Mar 28 12:12:37 and now back to work ;) Mar 28 12:13:32 Stefan__: FYI I was able to get 2mb/s sustained yesterday on my pru->ddr app, w/o DMA and probably some stupid things in the code, so there is probably some headroom Mar 28 12:21:35 cmicali: Great! :) I am about to start compiling the kernel :) Mar 28 12:22:49 I am getting a lot of whitespace errors during patch application -- is that normal? Mar 28 12:23:54 yes Mar 28 12:24:25 mdp: :) Thanks! Mar 28 12:29:29 is it possible to destroy the internal pullup / a complete gpio pin of the beaglebone via esd? the other day i touched it (only at the edge) after forgetting to touch the PE of the power outlet. now i have this "0x34 0x37 /* gpmc_ad13.gpio1_13 input, pull up, mode 7 */" in a DT file which is being loaded, but the value is 0, there is now short circuit to gnd elsewhere Mar 28 12:34:03 when i touched it, i got an electrical shock (damn dry winter air and wrong shoes) Mar 28 12:35:12 might be Mar 28 12:36:06 hm Mar 28 12:42:09 Rotti: I've had ESD on my BB as well, but I did not experience any problems. Maybe you're just unlucky :( Mar 28 12:46:26 Stefan__: maybe i found the problem... forgot to connect sck of spi... now the pull up seems to be enabled... maybe it was a software issue that i couldn't measure 3.3v.... Mar 28 12:49:51 Rotti: it's possible to destry the complete chip this way Mar 28 12:50:19 I had sparks flying from my fingertips into prototypes :) Mar 28 12:50:34 Rotti: and for the record: i'm passing 200kbit/s trough a 16MHz clocked MSP430 here... so i'd expect the PRU to get more than just the 2Mbit/S Mar 28 12:54:41 what does this numbers imply? :P Mar 28 13:12:50 KotH: maybe i should get some other shoes or an esd wristband... but i dislike those in the office Mar 28 13:13:37 *happy* still working :) Mar 28 13:16:13 Rotti: ESD was invented by 3M to sell plastic bags Mar 28 13:17:31 it wouldn't surprise me :) Mar 28 13:17:31 Rotti: get ESD shoes Mar 28 13:17:34 brrrrrzap Mar 28 13:17:55 3M makes very nice industrial strength mufflers though Mar 28 13:17:55 though, with some floors, even esd shoes dont help Mar 28 13:18:21 * KotH has one, walking >1m makes you draw multi-cm sparks... even wearing esd shoes Mar 28 13:18:33 KotH: free energy! Mar 28 13:18:37 * dm8tbr likes to wear one pair with the highest attenuation (34-35dB) at work to reduce the telco noise coming from behind his back... Mar 28 13:18:49 dm8tbr: lol Mar 28 13:19:00 I wear them at home with the kids Mar 28 13:19:05 hehe Mar 28 13:19:46 today I sent off emails to the distributors here in .fi to inquire about pricing of the models with built in speakers Mar 28 13:20:11 Just in case my manager doesn't approve the requisition of a pair of sennheiser S1 Digital... Mar 28 13:21:39 the lady from the finnish sennheiser office burst into uncontrolled laughter when she heard about my use-case... Mar 28 13:24:06 hi alan_o Mar 28 13:24:24 hey man Mar 28 13:25:35 woke up this morning and saw 6 spams in my inbox, thought it was weird. Then I saw on the news that Spamhaus is being ddos'd. The world makes sense Mar 28 13:28:52 alan_o: http://www.freaklabsstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=187 Mar 28 13:32:58 just got XM in nice case on my desk, unfortunatelly with a wrong OS :( http://www.ttid-systems.com/en/products/handy-terminals/bht-1200/ Mar 28 13:33:41 av500: that guy is pretty hard core. Mar 28 13:34:38 alan_o: coworker ordered one Mar 28 13:34:51 I thoughtof you and your 6gunpan Mar 28 13:35:07 yeah, he's using the one of the radios we support in mainline Mar 28 13:36:07 ah Mar 28 13:36:34 but can it run on the atmega? Mar 28 13:37:03 alan_o: do you have a dt-only solution for the MFRs? Mar 28 13:37:09 That guy is cool. has his own zigbee stack. It'd be cool if it could be ported to support our raw 802.15.4 sockets on Linux. As-is it talks to radios directly. Mar 28 13:37:16 koen: yes I do Mar 28 13:37:32 koen: I've been meaning to get you a patch Mar 28 13:38:47 koen: I hear that 3.8 is going to be the kernel for the next gen of beagle bone (can't remember the color). There is some lowpan stuff ahead of 3.8 I'd like to get you as well Mar 28 13:39:29 PINK Mar 28 13:39:30 koen: there are a few users on the linux-zigbee list on bone. I've sent some exact steps on the email, and want to get some of them up on our wiki Mar 28 13:39:45 yes, that was it. BeagleBone PINK Mar 28 13:40:17 av500: is that our "get more women/girls into STEM" plan? Mar 28 13:40:47 my one daughter hates pink Mar 28 13:41:03 people roll their eyes at that that, but pink stuff ships units Mar 28 13:41:23 s/that that/that stuff/ Mar 28 13:41:38 ynezz: ha, CE still exists. I've seen those handhelds switching to Android..... Mar 28 13:43:46 it is true that the kernel is finished with 3.8 Mar 28 13:44:12 mdp: 3.8 is the new 2.6? Mar 28 13:45:55 alan_o: I finally dusted of my MFR modules again Mar 28 13:46:03 and hooked the econotag to my linux laptop Mar 28 13:46:54 koen: there are decent instructions in the linux-zigbee site now Mar 28 13:48:49 Hello, it's me again and my i2c problem. I directly connected the Sparkfun BMP085 Sensor to my BeagleBoard. I use a logic analyser, and I can see there are data on SDA and SCL if I power up the sensor. But I can not see any address at the Board (i2cdetect -r 3). I hope you have some tipps what I'm doning wrong Mar 28 13:54:18 mdp: Which rootfs do you recommend -- the latest one from here http://www.beagleboard.org/angstrom-mirror/www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/archive/ ? Mar 28 13:55:57 mdp: or http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ ? Mar 28 13:56:16 Stefan__: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ Mar 28 13:56:37 koen: thanks Mar 28 13:56:44 I never change my rootfs unless forced..but it's the latter Mar 28 13:56:45 I just realised it's just a mirror Mar 28 13:57:00 I am having a slow brain day :) Mar 28 13:58:54 Anything I should consider when getting an additional SD card so I don't have to wipe the one I am currently using? Mar 28 14:00:06 koen: FYI, on my last build exo_0.8.0.bb failed. I'll look into it . Mar 28 14:01:15 Stefan__: make the card be labeled Sandisk or Samsung Mar 28 14:02:48 av500: OK :) Mar 28 14:02:53 av500: are you sponsered :P Mar 28 14:03:11 av500: I'll order something when I come back from teaching innocent undergrads :D Mar 28 14:03:44 think of the children! Mar 28 14:03:51 Stefan__: what uni? Mar 28 14:10:04 av500: yes, CE is still the only option in this sector... Mar 28 14:10:50 ynezz: I'm seeing trade magazines show android powered ones Mar 28 14:14:15 mockups Mar 28 14:14:16 :) Mar 28 14:23:27 koen: it is really odd... the log doesn't seem to show a failure other than the return value Mar 28 14:34:50 troll troll troll Mar 28 14:35:02 lololo Mar 28 14:38:00 does somebody has an "how to add i2c" tutorial for me? Mar 28 14:39:11 exact steps! Mar 28 14:39:48 would be good. so i guess something I'm doing wrong Mar 28 14:40:37 Hurk, lets see Mar 28 14:41:04 If I wanted to know what the SYSBOOT pins are, on beagle classic with and without the user button pressed Mar 28 14:41:07 where might I peek? Mar 28 14:41:52 schematics? Mar 28 14:44:37 thanks Mar 28 14:44:46 it's even helpfully spelled out in a table Mar 28 14:58:38 if i want kernel headers like include/net/af_ieee802154.h also installed by `make headers_install`, do i have to set any additional option? Mar 28 14:59:56 morning channel Mar 28 15:07:20 And, ah yes Mar 28 15:07:25 my beaglebone classic is "C5" Mar 28 15:07:30 which I guess is really C4 Mar 28 15:07:35 or is extra special Mar 28 15:08:00 Rotti: The short answer is have a good reason why that header needs to be exported from the kernel and into userspace Mar 28 15:08:43 $ dpkg -S /usr/include/net/* | cut -d : -f 1 | sort -u Mar 28 15:08:43 libc6-dev Mar 28 15:08:52 tells me you're going in the wrong direction most likely Mar 28 15:11:23 Bernd: did you google it? Mar 28 15:11:39 Tartarus: i'm trying to compile the lowpan-tools, it is checking for af_ieee802154.h for example... it does not give an error, but i thought they might be needed... Mar 28 15:12:16 jkridner: oh yes. quite often. and I tried many but .... it doesnt work. Mar 28 15:12:33 Tartarus: I'm pretty sure there really is a C5: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard/XhHgB-0oQmk Mar 28 15:12:51 http://beagleboard.org/hardware/design doesn't show it Mar 28 15:13:13 it is only a BOM change... really should have a new BOM entry on there. Mar 28 15:14:53 Rotti: I'll assume other OSes have that header then, and not Linux :) Mar 28 15:14:57 since it's not a fatal error Mar 28 15:15:25 page updated Mar 28 15:16:09 thanks :) Mar 28 15:18:45 jkridner: for me it looks (at the logicanalyzer) like I dont get an start condition. Mar 28 15:19:35 Tartarus: yes, it seems to work... Mar 28 15:30:01 morning friends, trolls, and the oversecting area of the Venn diagram Mar 28 15:31:02 Lets see, eLinux wiki admins in here? Mar 28 15:31:24 wmat_: Mar 28 15:31:26 prpplague: Mar 28 15:33:44 Tartarus: yes? Mar 28 15:33:57 prpplague: Finally got off my ass and requested an account on the wiki Mar 28 15:34:52 denied Mar 28 15:35:01 Tartarus: hehe Mar 28 15:35:05 +1 Mar 28 15:35:55 prpplague: you think Tartarus is good enough for our cult? Mar 28 15:35:57 :) Mar 28 15:36:10 mdp, woo Mar 28 15:36:14 Then I can't be a GSoC mentor Mar 28 15:36:22 * Tartarus slips mdp an IOU for beer Mar 28 15:36:31 ;) Mar 28 15:37:02 * mdp stacks his IOUs next to his creeper cards Mar 28 15:38:24 Tartarus: welcome aboard the elinux wiki Mar 28 15:40:32 * Tartarus waits for the password email Mar 28 15:45:55 prpplague: I assume the RSS extension is enabled Mar 28 15:47:07 Tartarus, perfect for your google^H^H^H^H^H^Hfeedly Mar 28 15:47:18 as soon as I dig out the magic bit Mar 28 15:47:38 There we go. Mar 28 15:48:23 http://elinux.org/api.php?action=feedwatchlist&wlowner=MyWikiName&wltoken=MYTOKEN&feedformat=atom Mar 28 15:48:23 should do it, if anyone else cares for that Mar 28 15:48:30 feedly tells me others watch the recent changes page Mar 28 15:48:36 social spying ftw Mar 28 15:49:36 Tartarus: your name is MyWikiName? Mar 28 15:49:49 Only if MYTOKEN is also the token I chose. Mar 28 15:50:22 * Russ chuckles at alan_o's gsoc mentor entry Mar 28 15:50:22 um yeah, don't understand MYTOKEN Mar 28 15:51:06 'Other languages' Mar 28 15:51:15 'American English (Midwestern Dialect)' Mar 28 15:51:32 a thief Mar 28 15:51:32 The above is for my watchlist specifically, rather than general special pages Mar 28 15:51:41 You set the token in your prefs (the watchlist tab even) Mar 28 15:51:43 'American English (Central Florida Dialect)' Mar 28 15:51:49 * mdp shakes his cane at mranostay for first stealing that line Mar 28 15:51:59 It's not easy however to dig out the feed url, found it somewhere else before, set it up fo the ti wiki Mar 28 15:52:10 you know the students are going to see this right? P) Mar 28 15:52:12 :P Mar 28 15:52:15 and feedly is annoying me atm, it's add a feed box doesn't really like crazy urls like that Mar 28 15:52:38 mranostay, I want them to be comfortable...I think some people might not follow this dialect at all Mar 28 15:52:46 Passing it the right url didn't really convince me it would sub to mine, rather than someone elses Mar 28 15:52:50 which would be interesting Mar 28 15:52:54 better to choose a person versed in the Queen's English Mar 28 15:53:13 Tartarus, what did you use for token? Mar 28 15:53:28 mdp, the randomly generated md5sum it suggested at the time Mar 28 15:55:34 mdp: so only mru can mentor? Mar 28 15:55:56 av500, it was a subtle way to throw him under the bus Mar 28 15:57:46 Lets see, next person to edit the gsoc page should show up in my feedly Mar 28 15:57:50 or the thing is crap Mar 28 15:57:51 one of the two Mar 28 15:58:36 ok, got it, thx Mar 28 15:58:54 * mdp ponders if some settings could make older edits show up in the feed Mar 28 15:59:27 watchlist is not retroactive Mar 28 15:59:42 * mdp becomes sad Mar 28 16:00:00 I just need to create a new page Mar 28 16:00:04 wmat will be proud Mar 28 16:00:34 the recent changes page might have some older edits Mar 28 16:00:39 if you insist on caring about the past :) Mar 28 16:01:10 Minix is also trying to enter the gos this year. We have a few beagleboard/MINIX related soc projects Mar 28 16:02:26 ( http://www.minix3.org/soc-2013/ ) Mar 28 16:02:56 Tartarus, consider it a unit testing desire Mar 28 16:03:17 mdp, just watch an active page like the gsoc one Mar 28 16:03:21 Or update an entry :) Mar 28 16:04:28 right ;) Mar 28 16:04:38 I like living in the past Mar 28 16:05:19 heh Mar 28 16:05:52 more seriously, I'd expect the gsoc page to be edited again soon Mar 28 16:06:00 or, are you watching that already? Mar 28 16:06:58 is "page watching" a thing now? Mar 28 16:07:47 Does no one else care about the pages they've edited? Mar 28 16:07:59 I care Tartarus, I really care Mar 28 16:08:12 To a fault, mdp, to a fault. Mar 28 16:08:15 I watch mine Mar 28 16:08:19 indeed Mar 28 16:08:39 So, seriously now as I'm about to commit a change, did you also add the GSoC page to your watchlist? Mar 28 16:08:40 the trick is to keep yourself from caring too much Mar 28 16:08:51 sec Mar 28 16:08:55 it doesn't activate on your own edits either Mar 28 16:09:09 unless you select that Mar 28 16:09:12 option Mar 28 16:09:17 So I can't test mine until someone else edits, but if you copy/pasted what I said and it works for you, good enough Mar 28 16:09:25 oh? hm, sec Mar 28 16:12:18 ok, go ahead Mar 28 16:13:02 saved. Mar 28 16:13:06 now we wait for the cloud to check shit Mar 28 16:13:46 refresh yields nothing yet Mar 28 16:13:52 cloud fail...so far Mar 28 16:13:59 added blanks to table...really? Mar 28 16:14:26 Russ, heh Mar 28 16:14:31 It's a change Mar 28 16:14:38 Go undo it, WIKI EDIT WARS! Mar 28 16:14:52 you'd like that, wouldn't you? Mar 28 16:14:59 Then I can add it back in but make everyone that left something blank have '-' as a "compromise" Mar 28 16:15:22 somebody understood how it works Mar 28 16:15:39 Tartarus, I made a real edit for you. Mar 28 16:15:48 thanks Mar 28 16:15:57 DId get the email, now to see if the feed shit works, someday Mar 28 16:20:32 is there any device tree tutorial somewhere? i'm trying to add a at86rf230 radio to a beaglebone, most of it works, it can be detected, but it seems that no interrupts are generated/handled. how can i say which gpio is connected to the /IRQ line of the chip in the DTS part? i guess, i have to specify interrupt-parent and interrupts, but i don't know what to put there... Mar 28 16:21:38 * mdp just noticed the PRU HWMOD project ... heh Mar 28 16:22:03 that shouldn't be on there IMHO Mar 28 16:23:11 where? Mar 28 16:23:55 it's really a "minor" core omap janitorial task ... the description is misleading about it Mar 28 16:24:06 makes it sound like PRU support isn't upstream..whereas it is Mar 28 16:24:24 av500, on the gsoc page Mar 28 16:24:51 ah Mar 28 16:24:54 * prp^2 is back at TI with a green badge Mar 28 16:26:16 is green good? Mar 28 16:26:30 visitor badge Mar 28 16:26:41 prp^2: tell me that doesn't involve emptying the 37 different recycling containers in the cafeteria?!? Mar 28 16:26:58 hhehe Mar 28 16:27:12 mranostay, ping Mar 28 16:27:18 pong Mar 28 16:27:35 peng! Mar 28 16:27:40 can you elaborate on the first two PRU projects on the GSoC page? Mar 28 16:28:03 The PRU firmware loader exists upstream right now Mar 28 16:31:13 mdp: using request_firmware() Mar 28 16:31:45 need to elaborate on that Mar 28 16:31:58 Doing now :) Mar 28 16:32:04 we're going to end up with 3 drivers upstream too, btw Mar 28 16:32:19 as I have some remoteproc stuff for pruss going on Mar 28 16:32:49 but maybe that's what this is Mar 28 16:33:51 mranostay, which, meets the request_firmware() reqmt Mar 28 16:34:31 mdp: so merge the two? Mar 28 16:34:33 I'd suggest since it says _upstream_ to cite kernel.org as the existing project Mar 28 16:34:57 mranostay, it needs work...it's essentially my friday project ;) Mar 28 16:35:45 I think it's sane for somebody that's motivated though Mar 28 16:36:10 in some ways, I find the things like jkridner proposed for PRU to be more interesting as GSoC projects Mar 28 16:36:25 but this is a good one Mar 28 16:37:22 also that hwmod one can probably go away..it's not a full project..or just an incidental part of finishing the upstream of the existing uio_pruss support Mar 28 16:39:06 yeah we also need more than just PRU ideas :) Mar 28 16:39:40 is there something else worthwhile?!? Mar 28 16:39:42 bbl Mar 28 16:40:24 mranostay, the pru vga cape is a good one Mar 28 16:40:53 trouble free display output ;) Mar 28 16:43:20 update looks good, thanks. since I care, I added me on the possible mentor list ;) Mar 28 17:04:45 av500: Edinburgh Uni Mar 28 17:04:59 av500: Just back from the lab -- teaching some fairly basic circuits Mar 28 17:05:08 av500: LM331s and 555s Mar 28 17:08:48 teaching 555?! Mar 28 17:09:05 any thing with triodes? or prehaps regenerative receiving? Mar 28 17:09:21 or even galena radios? Mar 28 17:09:27 555's have been around before their parents were born! Mar 28 17:09:30 ds2: Lol they're 1st year undergrads Mar 28 17:09:39 ds2: They need to start somewhere Mar 28 17:09:50 ds2: It's quite a nifty project IMO though Mar 28 17:10:01 an infrared remote sensor and receiver Mar 28 17:10:06 hmm, that is pretty advanced for 1st year undergrads Mar 28 17:10:11 capable of making 2 types of measurements -- current and temperature Mar 28 17:10:33 well they only work on the transmitter Mar 28 17:10:35 nobody taught me 555 in uni Mar 28 17:10:38 the receiver is given tot hem Mar 28 17:10:46 many 1st year undergrads need to be taught to dress without their parents helping ... Mar 28 17:11:01 but 555? the op-amps, I can see Mar 28 17:11:04 in fact, I could have finished unit without ever touching HW Mar 28 17:11:06 and some did Mar 28 17:11:08 av500, standards were higher then Mar 28 17:11:09 uni* Mar 28 17:11:10 the receiver involves some microprocessor programming so ... to save everybody hours of hair pulling it's not part of the course :) Mar 28 17:11:38 Crofton|work: uni != uni Mar 28 17:11:42 make them do microprocessor programming Mar 28 17:11:48 lol -- I was just listening to one kid telling a girl that he just turned 18 and he's going to Amsterdam etc. Mar 28 17:11:49 use that as a weed out class Mar 28 17:12:22 the trip to Amsterdam? Mar 28 17:12:35 lol that's what I was telling the Prof. that they need to toughen up the grading and curriculum because people just don't care since it's not important for their degree Mar 28 17:12:43 Crofton|work: weed .... out .... Mar 28 17:12:49 lol Mar 28 17:12:56 ds2: did you see that Si570 group buy is now more than 2x over the goal? Mar 28 17:13:15 ? Mar 28 17:13:16 emeb: had not had time Mar 28 17:13:29 crapstarter? Mar 28 17:13:33 emeb: did tindie require using paypal or does it take credit card via paypal? Mar 28 17:13:45 urls peopl! Mar 28 17:14:00 ds2: I used paypal balance. Dunno if it takes paypal CC Mar 28 17:14:25 av500: https://www.tindie.com/shops/TAUTIC/si570-xo-programmable-oscillator/ Mar 28 17:15:07 emeb: oh... I need to find out Mar 28 17:15:08 does anyone have an example of a kernel driver using the PRU? I'd like to use it directly from a kernel module, not using uio. Mar 28 17:15:40 cmicali: now you're tapping into proper performance ;) Mar 28 17:15:53 my two options are Mar 28 17:16:04 emeb: ds2: so crowdsourcing is now for sourcing components? Mar 28 17:16:06 Fuji or swissbit for an SD card Mar 28 17:16:18 sandisk Mar 28 17:16:20 av500: I guess Mar 28 17:16:20 samsung Mar 28 17:16:29 stefan__: eh i dunno, just trying to have fewer moving prats Mar 28 17:16:34 anything else is a lottery Mar 28 17:16:41 the problem with those parts is that the mfgs minimum buy is so large. Mar 28 17:16:46 av500: I hear you, but I need a university recognized seller Mar 28 17:16:49 and the regular distys don't carry them. Mar 28 17:17:24 Stefan__: for €5? Mar 28 17:17:34 emeb: I get you Mar 28 17:17:38 just found it funny Mar 28 17:17:39 av500: If I don't want to pay for it myself, yes :( Mar 28 17:17:49 well, buy any Mar 28 17:17:56 its its slow, buy the other Mar 28 17:18:07 heck, buy both Mar 28 17:18:19 av500: You don't know how tight my supervisor is :D Mar 28 17:18:47 "... only dogs can hear it." Mar 28 17:18:56 [18:17:49] well, buy any Mar 28 17:20:13 av500: now if we only did that with the O4 ;) Mar 28 17:20:20 might have saved it Mar 28 17:20:29 crowdsource it? Mar 28 17:20:30 morning trollololololol Mar 28 17:20:57 morning Mar 28 17:21:09 yep Mar 28 17:21:23 emeb: url send to ham coworker :) Mar 28 17:22:30 av500: so latest rev of nixie cape better? Mar 28 17:24:50 mranostay: looks OKish Mar 28 17:24:52 i used paypal balance Mar 28 17:25:01 av500: ok what now? :) Mar 28 17:25:12 mranostay: on a more crowded design you would add more vias to GND Mar 28 17:25:47 "Shadyman style" Mar 28 17:25:58 av500: between the ground plates you mean? Mar 28 17:26:24 mranostay: yes Mar 28 17:26:36 av500: where should i put any? Mar 28 17:26:39 to keek GNR return paths short Mar 28 17:26:43 keep* Mar 28 17:26:57 here it's OK, I doubt you will blink the tube at RF frequencies... Mar 28 17:27:04 heh Mar 28 17:27:09 er no :) Mar 28 17:27:19 is there a schematic? Mar 28 17:27:20 although the chip is running at 5 mhz Mar 28 17:28:57 are there any parameters that I have to set (expect pin mode) for i2c? Mar 28 17:30:49 av500: SDHC or not? Mar 28 17:31:19 are there non-shdc ones? Mar 28 17:31:29 that depends on the size Mar 28 17:31:41 4G and more is SDHC Mar 28 17:32:18 av500: schematic inc Mar 28 17:32:20 av500: I think there are some ... or at least they are not explicitly branded as such Mar 28 17:32:31 av500: the one I have shipped with my BBs is Kingston btw Mar 28 17:32:35 yes Mar 28 17:32:38 class 4 Mar 28 17:32:42 cheap sh*t Mar 28 17:32:46 av500: also i'm making like 10 of these boards ever so who needs a FCC test :) Mar 28 17:33:00 Stefan__: toss that pos card Mar 28 17:33:52 mranostay: I guess Maxim hasnt made more than 10 of these driver ICs anyway.... Mar 28 17:34:17 av500: are you trolling me? :) Mar 28 17:34:37 trollink? Mar 28 17:34:59 simple circuit really Mar 28 17:35:07 mranostay: it has several months of linux development on it :D I'd rather not :) Mar 28 17:35:21 Stefan__: make a backup Mar 28 17:35:22 NOW Mar 28 17:35:27 +! Mar 28 17:35:30 +1000x Mar 28 17:35:35 treat sd cards like ramdisks Mar 28 17:40:30 Stefan__: i can recomend the swissbit sdcards Mar 28 17:40:49 Stefan__: they use the hyperstone s6 controller and have SLC versions as well Mar 28 17:41:25 KotH: you are biased Mar 28 17:41:41 av500: swissbit is _not_ a swiss company, they are german Mar 28 17:42:28 same thing Mar 28 17:42:55 av500: I have a backup no worries :) Mar 28 17:42:57 then they must be awesome! :) Mar 28 17:43:33 lol -- too late I ordered a SanDisk one Mar 28 17:43:35 Stefan__: then switch! Mar 28 17:43:53 Russ :) Mar 28 17:44:16 mdp: Not sure a thief. Obviously making reference to your joke, and not a blatant rip-off Mar 28 17:44:25 which reminds me I might have one around at home ... from my old phone Mar 28 17:44:31 /\|_/\/\/ Mar 28 17:44:41 alan_o, I'm throwing down the gauntlet! ;) Mar 28 17:45:08 hmmm that is suppose to look like alan .. fail Mar 28 17:45:18 /\/\/\-|-| Mar 28 17:45:47 what is that hypen doing to the vertical bar? Mar 28 17:45:53 and is it legal in FL? Mar 28 17:46:03 * alan_o checks the statutes Mar 28 17:46:38 WARNING: modpost: Found 1 section mismatch(es). Is this expected with the default beagleBone config? Mar 28 17:47:36 emeb: why a si570 with cmos output? 1.4GHz would be awsome! :) Mar 28 17:48:12 KotH: CMOS is more compatible with common logic families that some folks would like to use. Mar 28 17:48:23 not everyone can use PECL etc. Mar 28 17:48:56 ecl might be out of fasion, but lvds is quite common Mar 28 17:48:58 * mranostay calls the police on alan_o Mar 28 17:49:26 KotH: I guess the guy running that group buy was going for maximum appeal. Mar 28 17:49:52 mranostay: speaking of calling the police, you hear about this one? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/27/gov-christie-asks-attorney-general-to-investigate-state-response-in-boy-with/ Mar 28 17:51:01 First thing I noticed about that picture is that his finger is not on the trigger. Good for him, and good for his dad for teaching him right. Mar 28 17:51:40 heh Mar 28 17:52:22 alan_o: what is so special about that one? Mar 28 17:53:10 gm Mar 28 17:53:11 alan_o: why is it such an issue that a 10y old boy has a weapon? Mar 28 17:53:24 the SWAT team and child services showing up at his house because he posted a picture of his kid holding a .22LR Mar 28 17:53:27 every 10y old should have one Mar 28 17:53:27 koth ask again when he did shoot you down Mar 28 17:53:33 KotH: It shouldn't be, that's the point Mar 28 17:53:38 av500: +1 Mar 28 17:53:49 av500, +1 Mar 28 17:53:59 hi ka6sox Mar 28 17:54:08 alan_o: i'm a little bit disturbed because want the US the gun loving country? where everyone and his dog could own a gun? Mar 28 17:54:12 morning woglinde back from the dead. Mar 28 17:54:17 and of course a kid seeing another kid with a gun should shoot him down Mar 28 17:54:23 alan_o, in new jersey they'd call the cops if it was a henry lever action in the photo Mar 28 17:54:24 ka6sox you or me Mar 28 17:54:32 me Mar 28 17:54:38 KotH: only in some states Mar 28 17:54:45 KotH: not in New Jersey, apparently. Mar 28 17:54:46 woglinde: come to switzerland, where every 16y old gets a semi-automatic military grade 5.6mm rifle... for free.. to take home Mar 28 17:55:02 KotH: with no bullets though ;) Mar 28 17:55:13 koth I know I know Mar 28 17:55:23 Stefan__: getting the bullets is like grocery shopping in .ch Mar 28 17:55:35 KotH: Really? Mar 28 17:55:38 Stefan__: yes Mar 28 17:55:47 KotH: That's news to me Mar 28 17:56:12 alan_o: stupid question, are toy guns illegal? Mar 28 17:56:14 Stefan__: walk into the next weapons shop, ask for a couple 100 bullets, and you get them.. just need to have a swiss ID or pasport with you to prove you're swiss citizen Mar 28 17:56:27 I am not sure how I feel about adolescents with pumping hormones handling guns :) Mar 28 17:56:40 Stefan__: heck.. i have a military rifle under my bed Mar 28 17:56:50 Stefan__: and used to have 50 rounds in my cupboard Mar 28 17:56:55 av500: can't speak for everywhere, but definitely not in Florida. Maybe some local bans in some cities or something, but I don't know of any off hand. Mar 28 17:57:00 did you shoot someone? Mar 28 17:57:05 alan_o: Chicago for sure Mar 28 17:57:24 Stefan__: dont worry. the boys (and girls) who get a rifle are thought how to handle it Mar 28 17:57:37 KotH: used to freak the UPS guy out when I ordered cases of ammo Mar 28 17:57:37 I wonder how I am supposed to tell a 10y old with a toy gun from a real one? Mar 28 17:57:41 Stefan__: if for any reason, you cannot follow the rules, you wont get a gun Mar 28 17:57:45 KotH: It's not whether they know how to handle it or not that worries me, it's their mental stability :) Mar 28 17:57:47 Stefan__: ... until you join the military ;) Mar 28 17:57:50 much cheaper by the 1000 rounds :) Mar 28 17:58:02 av500: don't point a toy gun at a cop Mar 28 17:58:05 alan_o: orange tip Mar 28 17:58:09 Stefan__: we are swiss, not mediteranean Mar 28 17:58:12 I mean, if I pop a kid that holds a gun, do I walk free? Mar 28 17:58:21 mranostay: sometimes an orange tip, but we'd take those right off :) Mar 28 17:58:30 Stefan__: there are very few people shot here Mar 28 17:58:38 alan_o: try that in CA :) Mar 28 17:58:38 Stefan__: especially considering how many guns we have Mar 28 17:58:42 hi jkridner Mar 28 17:58:43 very very illegal Mar 28 17:58:49 KotH: I know that, just wonder why it's not the case in the USA Mar 28 17:58:50 what is illegal? Mar 28 17:58:50 av500: Jury of your peers Mar 28 17:58:54 being a 10y old? Mar 28 17:59:12 alan_o: yes, but seriously Mar 28 17:59:15 av500: taking the orange tip off Mar 28 17:59:21 I seea kid holding a gun Mar 28 17:59:28 at somebody Mar 28 17:59:30 Stefan__: different mentality.. different socio-cultural background Mar 28 17:59:33 is it cops&robbers Mar 28 17:59:38 or a killing? Mar 28 17:59:45 context! Mar 28 17:59:48 ? Mar 28 17:59:50 mranostay: + Mar 28 17:59:50 Stefan__: weapons are no toys overhere, everyone gets taught that at an early age Mar 28 17:59:56 what context? Mar 28 18:00:03 I need a split second decisionm Mar 28 18:00:10 of course going out in the street with a bb gun isn't a good idea in most of the country :) Mar 28 18:00:10 otherwise that other kid is dead Mar 28 18:00:30 KotH: Yeah I guess, it's just that the statistics are like night and day if you compare them, it's crazy Mar 28 18:00:31 remeber, I carry concealed to protect people Mar 28 18:00:36 those swissbit sd cards are expensive! Mar 28 18:00:43 av500: if it's a couple kids in front of a house in a residential neighborhood, that's one thing. If it's a kid hanging out with gang bangers in a convenience store.... and a guy behind the counter has his hands up and looks terrified... Mar 28 18:00:47 why does this channel get so real at times? :) Mar 28 18:00:51 * mranostay blames alan_o Mar 28 18:01:04 mranostay: totally my fault this time :) Mar 28 18:01:08 alan_o: you picked convenient extremes Mar 28 18:01:14 * emeb looks for his super soaker. Mar 28 18:01:16 take a middle one Mar 28 18:01:22 hose 'em down. Mar 28 18:01:36 av500: ok, middle..... school playground? Mar 28 18:01:39 cmicali: Yes, at 60 quid for a 4GB one, I said no :D Mar 28 18:01:44 alan_o: no Mar 28 18:01:48 street at dusk Mar 28 18:01:49 av500: public park? Mar 28 18:01:56 2 kids, one holdign a gun to another Mar 28 18:02:00 play or real? Mar 28 18:02:05 one crying dont shoot me Mar 28 18:02:10 likely play Mar 28 18:02:16 how likely? Mar 28 18:02:22 Stefan__: more interesting fact: there are roughly 200'000 to 500'000 military grade automatic and semi-automatic rifles circulating in switzerland and probably another 100-200'000 military no-safety 9mm hand guns. Mar 28 18:02:22 USA 99.99% :) Mar 28 18:02:25 mranostay: over here Mar 28 18:02:26 yes Mar 28 18:02:31 because kids do not have guns Mar 28 18:02:34 nor parents Mar 28 18:02:41 every kid has a airsoft guy in the states Mar 28 18:02:42 Stefan__: in less then 1% of the shotings here, a military grade weapon is used Mar 28 18:02:42 so its like one in a million Mar 28 18:02:54 av500: for one, kids aren't very good actors. It's usually quite easy to tell what's real and what's play from kids Mar 28 18:02:55 you have 300 million guns Mar 28 18:03:02 mranostay: more nines than that Mar 28 18:03:14 alan_o: now you are asking me with my gun to be well trained Mar 28 18:03:15 Stefan__: s/military grade/military issue/ Mar 28 18:03:16 alan_o: true :) Mar 28 18:03:26 alan_o: all I am is a regular dude that got a gun Mar 28 18:03:29 KotH: Well that's good :) Mar 28 18:03:30 to protect Mar 28 18:03:33 you know Mar 28 18:03:44 otherwise i'd be shot by the cops in my youth :) Mar 28 18:03:51 Stefan__: nah.. it's bad Mar 28 18:04:01 av500: well let's run it down... if you were a police officer, trained. What would you do in that situation? Mar 28 18:04:10 av500: would you just shoot one from your car? no. Mar 28 18:04:15 its not about the police Mar 28 18:04:16 KotH: I mean that the weapons that are handed out are not used for violence -- that's surely good Mar 28 18:04:17 Stefan__: zürich (a 300'000 citizens city) has more homocides a year than the whole of japan Mar 28 18:04:22 I assume they are trained Mar 28 18:04:24 av500: you'd draw (maybe) and find out what's going on. Using judgment. Mar 28 18:04:28 I assume they are trained Mar 28 18:04:38 you let joe the plumber run around with a gun Mar 28 18:05:05 but hey, its you that gets shot by accident, not me Mar 28 18:05:11 :) Mar 28 18:05:13 KotH: You can't really compare with Japan -- it's a completely different culture there Mar 28 18:05:23 In Japan they have katanes Mar 28 18:05:25 katanas Mar 28 18:05:25 Stefan__: weird culture :) Mar 28 18:05:27 KotH: Compare to rest of europe Mar 28 18:05:32 av500: well in most states nobody "runs around" with a gun. Carrying requires permit in many states. Permit often requires some level of training (though often not much) (varies by state). Mar 28 18:05:35 av500: buying a katana in japan is not easy Mar 28 18:05:53 av500: they have a lot stricter rules than buying military grade weapons in .ch Mar 28 18:05:54 alan_o, in VA yuo can take an online course to get the permit Mar 28 18:05:58 wait, a katana, or an assult katana? Mar 28 18:06:04 you can tell by the grip Mar 28 18:06:05 Crofton|work: hehe Mar 28 18:06:07 a kitchen katana Mar 28 18:06:19 Fruit Ninja FTW! Mar 28 18:06:19 you can tell by the dents Mar 28 18:06:24 of course, the guy that sponsored the legialtion to allow that received donations from the guy running the online course :) Mar 28 18:06:36 of course Mar 28 18:06:46 mranostay: Weird maybe, but everybody was happy and there was a feeling of peace when I was there Mar 28 18:07:04 Stefan__: ever look at the suicide rates for Japan? :) Mar 28 18:07:11 they have to Mar 28 18:07:15 not enough space Mar 28 18:07:15 mranostay: about the same as .ch Mar 28 18:07:18 same Mar 28 18:07:24 :) Mar 28 18:07:28 mranostay: and for those below 18, .ch has a higher suicide rate Mar 28 18:07:42 its in the chocolate!!! Mar 28 18:07:43 av500: lol Mar 28 18:07:45 "suicide" is that what they call factory accidents? :) Mar 28 18:07:52 mranostay: that's china Mar 28 18:07:52 only in shenzhen Mar 28 18:08:19 * av500 wipes the blood of his tablet.... Mar 28 18:08:23 his head got stuck in the plastic molding machine... it is a suicide! Mar 28 18:08:26 Mar 28 18:08:46 * KotH wonders how many people av500 got killed with his gadgets Mar 28 18:09:02 kids in Congo Mar 28 18:09:10 killed by a PMP. Mar 28 18:09:52 not a GMW? Mar 28 18:10:18 of a BMW Mar 28 18:10:20 *or Mar 28 18:10:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_GMG Mar 28 18:10:51 * KotH wonders why the english wiki is talking about GMG while the german one uses GMW Mar 28 18:11:04 we ran out of W's Mar 28 18:11:11 I guess concealed carry is hard on this one Mar 28 18:11:32 alan_o: some states make concealed carry a little too easy :) Mar 28 18:12:00 mranostay: depends on what you believe "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means :) Mar 28 18:12:06 mranostay, AZ ftw! Mar 28 18:12:28 alan_o: i always wonder why usians consider the right to cary weapons a human right Mar 28 18:12:29 * mranostay switches to a less real channel Mar 28 18:12:43 alan_o: if only the constitution would have been written on a computer Mar 28 18:12:44 KotH: I'm not sure anyone said a human right Mar 28 18:12:45 WHERE IS MY TANK! Mar 28 18:12:48 it would have been lost by now Mar 28 18:12:51 * ka6sox-away wonders what a Usian? Mar 28 18:13:07 USiam Mar 28 18:13:08 koen: but it is a right guaranteed by our constitution. Mar 28 18:13:10 USian Mar 28 18:13:15 KotH: ^^ Mar 28 18:13:16 alan_o: but the reaction of someone touching the gun laws is worse than someone legalizing killing people by airborne robots Mar 28 18:13:19 (stupid tab complete) Mar 28 18:13:25 I am still wondering why I can't have a tank Mar 28 18:13:25 KotH: of course Mar 28 18:13:37 KotH: depends who you ask, I suppose, like anything Mar 28 18:14:10 KotH: only if you carry a gun you can defend against an evil government and thier drones.... Mar 28 18:14:15 at the very least, I would effective anti-tank weapons, for when the government comes for me, for using USRP's Mar 28 18:14:24 av500: hmm... Mar 28 18:14:57 av500: actually, i have considered of shoting down one of the air planes that pass over my hose.. often after 23:00.. which isnt allowed Mar 28 18:15:26 koen, I'm having some difficulty determining if my SD format is bad of the card reader might be dead. I presume I can just dd the uncompressed http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/sd-images/2gb/Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2010.3-beagleboard.sd-image-2GiB.img.bz2 to the SD to confirm? Mar 28 18:15:53 dvhart: dd or bzcat Mar 28 18:15:58 dvhart: yeah Mar 28 18:16:19 ok, there is all that crap about some win32 disk writer.... Mar 28 18:16:32 Crofton|work: buy a metalstorm Mar 28 18:16:45 av500: That's what the 2nd amendment was designed for, not for people to protect against other citizens, but to protect themselves against an oppressive government. Remember that the constitution was written in a time when we had just escaped an oppressive government. Mar 28 18:17:11 This guy sums it up well: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/20/conn-man-took-three-days-off-work-to-deliver-this-epic-testimony-against-gun-control/ Mar 28 18:17:23 "The Constitution did not guarantee public safety, it guaranteed liberty. And sometimes what comes with liberty is tragedy, unfortunately.” Mar 28 18:17:54 I thought the problem was a time honored tradition of Americans wanting something for nothing Mar 28 18:18:28 in this case, the British wanted payment for protecting the colonies from Indians and the French, and the Colonists wanted it for free Mar 28 18:18:37 so they had a "Tea Party"? Mar 28 18:18:43 alan_o: so there is no reason for concealed carry at all Mar 28 18:19:10 alan_o: also the gov't that we rebelled against was probably not as oppressive as the american gov't has become Mar 28 18:19:20 hehe Mar 28 18:19:27 thurbad: well, nobody likes to pay taxes Mar 28 18:19:32 thurbad: i gues the british didnt have the means ;) Mar 28 18:19:46 Crofton|work: the declaration of independence runs down the grievances point by point. Mar 28 18:19:56 av500: the us has one of the most opressive tax system in the world Mar 28 18:20:12 so the people will rise up soon I hope Mar 28 18:20:31 alan_o, I am paraphrasing :) Mar 28 18:21:03 * KotH wonders whether he should buy two or 5 si570 Mar 28 18:21:15 av500, if I were someone looking for "easy pickings" I'd want a populace who didn't have the right to carry concealed weapons and raise the question: if he has a concealed weapon am I gonna DIE robbing/raping him/her. Mar 28 18:21:36 KotH: why not? Mar 28 18:21:40 ka6sox-away: ? Mar 28 18:21:52 ka6sox-away: +1 Mar 28 18:21:56 emeb: the question is not whether or not to buy, the question is how many :) Mar 28 18:22:01 3 Mar 28 18:22:01 ka6sox-away: why again does the rest of the world not die being raped? Mar 28 18:22:08 KotH: I'm in for 3 Mar 28 18:22:17 KotH, 3 Mar 28 18:22:46 alan_o: so you should be in favor of this: http://davidbrin.blogspot.de/2007/01/brin-classics-jefferson-rifle.html Mar 28 18:22:59 so 3 is a magical number? Mar 28 18:23:24 Americans watch too much American TV Mar 28 18:23:43 koen, mranostay : ok so before (with my image) I got "60" after a reset over serial, with the Angstrom image I see 120 or so � characters Mar 28 18:23:59 hmm, on topic chatter :) Mar 28 18:24:08 av500: that's exactly what I was thinking about your last comment of "why again does the rest of the world not die being raped?" Mar 28 18:24:11 sorry to interrupt ;-) Mar 28 18:24:11 :) Mar 28 18:24:19 ka6sox-away: living in country with nearly as many guns per capita s the us, and where concealed weapons are a deadly sin (can get you into jail), i wonder why we dont have killings and raping every day Mar 28 18:24:38 enough about the guns! Mar 28 18:24:40 alan_o: ??? Mar 28 18:24:40 dvhart: 60 is the ROM id Mar 28 18:24:48 dvhart: it means it couldn't find anything to boot Mar 28 18:24:52 back to DT nightmares... Mar 28 18:25:04 dvhart do you have the correct MLO? Mar 28 18:25:06 koen, so my image was not prepared correctly it seems Mar 28 18:25:16 thurbad, I just used the angstrom image linked above Mar 28 18:25:26 av500: this part "Of course, at one level, this topic is a special example of one of my frequent complaints, that many issues in modern life are artificially posed as either-or, zero-sum choices between one rigid position and another." Mar 28 18:25:57 2010.3 is probably too old Mar 28 18:26:01 koen, but the Angstrom image is dumpting garbage Mar 28 18:26:06 emeb: is there any comment about shipping or am i blind? Mar 28 18:26:10 ok, is there a better test image I could use? Mar 28 18:26:27 dvhart: it's not dumping garbage, it doesn't even run Mar 28 18:26:31 '60' is the ROM code Mar 28 18:26:39 koen, 60 was for my image Mar 28 18:26:44 KotH: it looks like he's got some stuff on shipping outside US. Mar 28 18:26:46 he's getting unprintable binary now Mar 28 18:26:48 av500: on that, and from more philosophical angle, there are a lot of things in everyday life that _are_ zero-sum, and those things are easy to understand. Like sports. There's only so many wins in the league. If your team gets one, another can't, etc. . Mar 28 18:26:53 koen, the Angstrom image spits out 120 chars of chars Mar 28 18:26:59 should show up at checkout time. Mar 28 18:27:08 this is an xM Rev B FYI Mar 28 18:27:54 alan_o: in the end, I'm most comfortable with the NRA assessment of the whole thing: "people in the US are mentally ill" :) Mar 28 18:28:25 av500: I think things like this, which many people understand well, shape their views of the rest of the world, attributing this zero-sum idea to areas where it's not appropriate. For example taxation. Taxation is zero-sum if and only if you discount the side effects of taxation, like growing or shrinking the size of the economy as a whole (whatever one's ideas on that are). Mar 28 18:28:39 av500: hah Mar 28 18:28:54 I have to admit its an elegant argument Mar 28 18:28:57 emeb: only two options: normal and express.. with normal being just 6$ Mar 28 18:28:58 hard to refute Mar 28 18:29:13 I'd say reformat your boot partition and place a newer MLO on it first Mar 28 18:29:42 ARGH! and now the server dies! Mar 28 18:29:46 thurbad, is this perhaps a better image to try? http://www.beagleboard.org/angstrom-mirror/www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz Mar 28 18:29:56 alan_o: btw, I think mr brin make a nice non-zeo sum point Mar 28 18:30:07 yeah, it's new enough it should work Mar 28 18:30:19 yeah, reading now... Mar 28 18:30:29 thurbad, will try that (and you have reminded me about MLO needing to go on first, I had forgotten about that) Mar 28 18:30:33 been over a year Mar 28 18:30:37 although it's got gnome baggage apparently :P Mar 28 18:30:40 MLO does not need to go first Mar 28 18:31:14 av500 I've never been successfull doing it without it being first Mar 28 18:31:26 mv MLO MLO_good; cp MLO... Mar 28 18:31:31 done that often enough Mar 28 18:31:43 av500, noted Mar 28 18:32:10 MLO_working_I_think_this_is_the_right_one_but_Im_not_sure Mar 28 18:32:15 I dont vouch for the ROM code to handle 100 files in the root partition Mar 28 18:32:42 thurbad: if you get a non-working card, dd it and we can analyze Mar 28 18:33:00 maybe the rom code is the is the issue, still mostly using 3530 based board here Mar 28 18:34:22 thurbad: Im too lazy to run tests :) Mar 28 18:47:12 thurbad, koen, ok the newer Angstrom image prints the uboot version and something about TI revision detection being unimplemented. Mar 28 18:47:25 So , that's enough to tell me my image was bad and the board is basically good. Mar 28 18:47:30 time to revisit my image creation steps Mar 28 18:49:46 av500: if you want to read something funny, have a look at http://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/confessions-of-a-car-salesman.html Mar 28 18:49:57 av500: ofc, if you havent read it already :) Mar 28 18:51:55 KotH: think I read that Mar 28 19:00:04 av500: i find it kind of disturbing, that half of the stuff he writes about would get you in jail in .ch Mar 28 19:08:11 any recommendations on wifi usb adapter for beaglbone? Mar 28 19:08:17 just need something that will stay up Mar 28 19:55:32 to round up our todays discussion about guns and school boys: http://m.xkcd.com/1191/ Mar 28 19:56:32 nice. not. Mar 28 20:04:12 cmicali: mostly wifi depends on which kernel you're running Mar 28 20:04:54 thurbad: 3.8, very dirty Mar 28 20:24:11 ha! Mar 28 20:29:56 just a follow up, I am able to get to the point where the U-BOOT version string is printed, but it doesn't get past that. It doesn't appear to be reading my boot.scr file as removing it makes no difference and adding echo statements to the bootcmd doesn't change anything. Mar 28 20:33:21 (this is the same spot the Angstrom image seemed to get to) Mar 28 20:37:53 boot.scr? how old of u-boot is this? Mar 28 20:39:40 mranostay, fairly Mar 28 20:40:00 it used to work though, so I'm just trying to get it going again Mar 28 20:40:39 mranostay, it now appears to use a different env file iiuc? Mar 28 20:41:21 yes Mar 28 20:41:24 uEnv.txt Mar 28 20:41:28 with different semantics Mar 28 20:41:39 why not use a current uboot? Mar 28 20:43:37 av500, I have a specific image I'm trying to use, it's just about using what I know instead of changing everything at once Mar 28 20:43:51 maybe that's what's needed Mar 28 20:44:36 new mlo and uboot should be able to boot older uImage Mar 28 20:44:37 note that the Angstrom image also stops after the Uboot version string Mar 28 20:45:00 thurbad, yes I did replace the MLO which resolved an issue finding u-boot.bin Mar 28 20:45:06 I also replaced the u-boot.bin Mar 28 20:45:12 ok Mar 28 20:45:15 U-Boot SPL 2011.12-dirty (Dec 31 2012 - 11:51:48) Mar 28 20:45:38 perhaps that is why it isn't reading boot.scr (but the old one didn't either) Mar 28 20:46:28 pastebin the text portion of your boot script Mar 28 20:47:07 it will hang if you have saveenv for example as there is no NAND to save to Mar 28 20:47:59 thurbad, http://pastebin.com/A7xNQ9Br Mar 28 20:49:37 not sure which version of mmcinit mmc init your version of uboot supports Mar 28 20:50:02 So yeah, by default at some point a while back, beagle stopped using boot.scr and started using uEnv.txt and then I believe really recently I added back boot.scr into the loop Mar 28 20:50:29 uEnv.txt goes: Mar 28 20:50:29 variable=value Mar 28 20:50:29 ... Mar 28 20:50:29 uenvcmd=run whatever-my-special-bootcmd-is-now Mar 28 20:50:32 shouldn't u-boot.bin be able to bring up a shell? Mar 28 20:50:50 even that would be helpful Mar 28 20:50:51 You want .img now, not .bin, but yes, it'll otherwise head to the prompt is bootcmd fails Mar 28 20:50:55 yeah, if you have a timeout enabled and hit a key before the timeout Mar 28 20:50:59 What board exactly do you have? Mar 28 20:51:09 xM rev B Mar 28 20:51:31 what should it do if there is no boot.scr and no eEnv.txt ? Mar 28 20:51:36 uEnv.txt even Mar 28 20:51:40 Try the built-in bootcmd Mar 28 20:51:51 Which will try and load+boot from the FAT partition Mar 28 20:52:35 Tartarus, you mean in a uEnv.txt script? Mar 28 20:52:46 You should be able to throw MLO and u-boot.img from anything even semi recent and it will work on that Mar 28 20:52:50 uEnv.txt is not a script Mar 28 20:53:00 it's an environment file which gets sourced and loaded into memory Mar 28 20:53:11 and bootcmd checks to see if the variable uenvcmd has been set after doing that Mar 28 20:53:14 and if so, running it Mar 28 20:53:34 I wonder if part of your problem is mixing MLO and u-boot.bin rather than using u-boot.img Mar 28 20:53:37 ok, so how do I "try the built-in bootcmd" Mar 28 20:54:08 Tartarus, so the new way is a u-boot.img and no MLO ? Mar 28 20:54:08 Not interrupting the boot Mar 28 20:54:20 dvhart: No, it's MLO and u-boot.img Mar 28 20:54:28 rather than MLO from x-loader and u-boot.bin Mar 28 20:54:34 U-Boot spits out both parts now Mar 28 20:54:44 and it sounds like your setup is dying before U-Boot is even up Mar 28 20:54:50 if your whole output is 2 lines :) Mar 28 20:54:54 yup Mar 28 20:54:55 but the angstrom image should be fine Mar 28 20:55:03 angstrom image does the same Mar 28 20:55:04 Any chance you have the angstrom sd card the board shipped with? Mar 28 20:55:10 heh, no way Mar 28 20:56:18 I am trying this all over serial - I don't need an HDMI display and USB keyboard for any of this do I? Mar 28 20:56:27 nope Mar 28 20:56:31 serial is fine Mar 28 20:56:37 boggle Mar 28 20:57:19 I'll try the Angstrom image one more time Mar 28 21:00:05 Also try and mkfs.vfat'ing the FAT partition you're using, things can get a little stupid over time about which clusters to read Mar 28 21:00:09 or something to that effect Mar 28 21:00:24 I did do that on my last attempt Mar 28 21:01:00 which then led me to replace the MLO as it was reporting not being able to find u-boot.bin and the forums suggested it was an MLO problem reading from the second sector Mar 28 21:01:14 that got me past the error and on to u-boot reporting it's versoin Mar 28 21:09:08 Grab another SD card? Mar 28 21:09:28 It should not be this hard to throw MLO+u-boot.img on a SD card and see a whole lot of output Mar 28 21:09:37 and how/where to pause things to get a prompt Mar 28 21:13:47 That was my thinking as well :-) Mar 28 21:13:58 of course, I'm down to one SD card ... more on order Mar 28 21:14:03 I may be able to scrounge up some more Mar 28 21:14:34 so the Angstrom image as console=tty0 in the uEnv.txt Mar 28 21:14:42 can I change that to ttyO2 ? Mar 28 21:14:58 does that impact anything other than u-boot? Mar 28 21:16:46 what old image you are using Mar 28 21:17:15 woglinde, this was the yocto danny images Mar 28 21:17:23 woglinde, but I'm just focusing on the Angstrom image now Mar 28 21:17:58 hi prpplague Mar 28 21:18:22 woglinde: greetings Mar 28 21:47:54 * mranostay dances in Mar 28 21:49:38 jo Mar 28 21:51:35 so how does one joing this gsoc google group? Mar 28 21:51:56 trolls dance now? Mar 28 21:52:14 or have you been drinking? Mar 28 21:53:20 * ka6sox wonders if mranostay will be a mentor, mentee or mental... Mar 28 21:55:51 manatee Mar 28 21:56:05 mantip? Mar 28 21:59:21 ka6sox: i find it odd that the students could be younger than me :P Mar 28 22:00:04 most students are Mar 28 22:00:11 * mranostay stabs mru Mar 28 22:00:12 oops, apparently I am in that gsoc list Mar 28 22:00:25 its mostly fatelf bashing Mar 28 22:00:36 heh Mar 28 22:00:49 didn't Christopher post something about that the other day? Mar 28 22:00:59 yes Mar 28 22:02:17 I'm not on that list...whew... Mar 28 22:02:18 :) Mar 28 22:03:45 * av500 add ka6sox to that list Mar 28 22:03:47 adds* Mar 28 22:03:59 geez i have to fill out a tax form for the cape contest.. Mar 28 22:04:12 mranostay: so, do you have emancipated minor papers? :D Mar 28 22:08:14 Isn't there some kind of minimum limit for that type of stuff. You don't need to fillout a tax form if you win a free coke from the bottle cap... Mar 28 22:12:05 * mranostay smacks ds2 Mar 28 22:12:22 georgem_home: $1k is above the limit it seems Mar 28 22:12:52 mranostay: ah ok. $1k, pretty good haul :) Mar 28 22:14:52 you have to declare such petty cash? Mar 28 22:14:54 Blah google groups Mar 28 22:14:57 I can star a group Mar 28 22:15:01 but I can't see where to "join" Mar 28 22:15:03 mru: well TI is declaring it for me Mar 28 22:15:11 or othewise add it to my groups Mar 28 22:15:14 so I can then get emails Mar 28 22:15:28 Tartarus: emailed Jessica and javascript dude Mar 28 22:16:18 how rude of them Mar 28 22:17:31 mru: i think the javascript has made him rude Mar 28 22:18:38 I did some no dependency C coding recently. That made me pretty damn rude. Mar 28 22:19:48 Rewriting simple things like linked lists made me grumpy Mar 28 22:19:56 i'm just grumpy Mar 28 22:20:22 * ka6sox-away sends mranostay a Coke...and a Tax Receipt... Mar 28 22:20:32 heh Mar 28 22:21:04 i bet i get a crappy 1099 for this too :) Mar 28 22:21:19 mranostay: I did as well, Jessica is looking into it now Mar 28 22:21:24 I guess I'm "lucky" this year. Only one source of income. Pfft Mar 28 22:21:55 georgem_home, better than *no* sources of income. Mar 28 22:22:03 georgem_home: depends on well that one source is :) Mar 28 22:22:13 TIL "Any giveaway with a value of $600 or more must be reported to the IRS and the winner on a Form 1099-MISC. " Mar 28 22:22:48 ka6sox-away: depends, sometimes I wonder if I lost my job if I'd end up making 10x doing consulting (ok, healthcare would be a problem...) Mar 28 22:22:59 mranostay: this is true Mar 28 22:23:55 consulting sounds good and all but not sure i could sell myself steady :P Mar 28 22:24:20 * mranostay pictures 120 hours weeks and then 5 hour weeks :) Mar 28 22:24:44 the idea is to charge enough that you don't need steady Mar 28 22:24:51 * georgem_home pictures being polite to people just to gain their business Mar 28 22:25:09 georgem_home: you've come to the wrong place for polite :) Mar 28 22:26:14 georgem_home: real polite or the fake kind? :) Mar 28 22:26:16 mranostay: good! thats where I want to be Mar 28 22:26:55 fake kind Mar 28 22:27:20 I don't want business from people who require fake politeness Mar 28 22:28:00 i'm openly hostile Mar 28 22:28:17 you're no worse than I am Mar 28 22:28:33 a goal to reach for! Mar 28 22:30:28 I work with a genius 60 year old hardware engineer that started a company when he was 30 and made millions of $. He still works full time because his wife annoys him and he's a geek. Its funny though when he tells everyone to suck it and that he'll buy the company and fire everyone, lol. Mar 28 22:32:11 if i had millions working full time wouldn't even a thought :) Mar 28 22:32:47 *be Mar 28 22:32:48 if I had millions I'd work as much as amused me Mar 28 22:33:26 hmm i'd be low key bartender on some greek isle Mar 28 22:33:59 yeah, this guy pretty much works for amuzement. I think enjoys scaring management and messing with software engineers :) Mar 28 22:34:03 then again, I already do that to some extent... Mar 28 22:34:17 trolling management is good fun Mar 28 22:35:59 heh Mar 28 22:36:47 the trick is to make them realise you don't fear them in any way Mar 28 22:36:54 heh Mar 28 22:37:01 getting there at this place Mar 28 22:37:11 as I once said to my manager, "so what are you going to do, fire me?" Mar 28 22:37:25 apparently he wasnt Mar 28 22:38:14 He also enjoys buying expensive scopes and surface mount soldering equipment with his own money and putting them in areas to taunt others then completely rail them if they so much as look at them :) Mar 28 22:38:33 now that's trolling Mar 28 22:38:38 so this Google Glass contest is so you can buy it first? Mar 28 22:39:03 worse contest ever.. win it and you have to pay $1500 for the glasses? :) Mar 28 22:39:25 Just what I need, pay money to see $%^#ing ads everywhere I go Mar 28 22:39:42 saw a person wearing one this weekend Mar 28 22:39:46 wtf, a post from jörg schilling Mar 28 22:40:09 why is that o weird? Mar 28 22:40:23 he's been rather silent of late Mar 28 22:40:50 ever since the demise of solaris and the downfall of optical media Mar 28 22:40:57 heh Mar 28 22:41:00 heh Mar 28 22:41:00 slowaris Mar 28 22:41:10 you're too young to say that Mar 28 22:41:45 hey, I played on my first slowaris pizza box when I was 8 Mar 28 22:42:08 that was addressed at mranostay Mar 28 22:42:21 yeah, I know. I'm just causing trouble Mar 28 22:42:39 good, keep it up Mar 28 22:42:59 i'm not that young :P Mar 28 22:43:19 that's not for you to decide Mar 28 22:43:41 someone has to be younger in here Mar 28 22:44:08 what decade, lol? Mar 28 22:44:17 maybe, but you're more trollable Mar 28 22:44:30 I'm a child of the 1980s Mar 28 22:44:47 i was born in the 1980's does that count? Mar 28 22:45:19 yup Mar 28 22:45:19 * mru was born in 1980, singular Mar 28 22:45:34 * georgem_home was born in 1982 Mar 28 22:45:56 86 Mar 28 22:46:10 thats when my wife was born Mar 28 22:46:28 iam old Mar 28 22:46:32 i am old Mar 28 22:46:48 not as old as _av500_ i'm sure Mar 28 22:47:07 hey, I feel old too when I hear about some 17 year old selling his latest coding expirement for millions. Mar 28 22:47:09 _av500_ has basically two feet and a arm in the coffin Mar 28 22:47:26 jkridner: hey javascript dude what is the idea with invite only? :) Mar 28 22:47:34 fixing Mar 28 22:47:41 makes the invited feel special Mar 28 22:47:51 jkridner: fixing it with javascript? Mar 28 22:48:00 I'm even older Mar 28 22:48:06 javascript is always involved.... Mar 28 22:48:14 can't web without it! :-) Mar 28 22:48:22 fixed, btw Mar 28 22:48:24 - /ignores jkridner Mar 28 22:48:29 from the airplane even Mar 28 22:48:31 * mru remembers the good old days, before javascript Mar 28 22:48:39 gopher? Mar 28 22:48:40 know what pissed me the F off... I tried to upgrade polkit to the newest version and it had a MFing javascript dependency Mar 28 22:48:52 wtf Mar 28 22:49:03 think of the children! Mar 28 22:49:07 js came much later than the web Mar 28 22:49:17 * jkridner remembers the good old days, before the internet and before idiots on the internet. Mar 28 22:49:18 ka6sox: mranostay? Mar 28 22:49:30 mru, +1 Mar 28 22:49:34 eternal september Mar 28 22:49:41 * georgem_home remembers the good old days, before the internet and before he was an idiot on the internet. Mar 28 22:49:51 mru I don't remember it being much longer than a year or so. Mar 28 22:50:16 I've seen no signs of it ending Mar 28 22:50:17 mru: hey according to the state of California i am an adult :P Mar 28 22:50:31 web != internet Mar 28 22:50:37 mranostay: but the state of california itself doesn't act like an adult Mar 28 22:50:41 and one who can drink apparently... Mar 28 22:50:50 (legally) Mar 28 22:50:58 one who does drink for sure Mar 28 22:51:06 << '58 Mar 28 22:51:16 The state of California likes to rain on peoples parades. Everything has to cause cancer, I mean geez Mar 28 22:51:34 Prop 65 FTL Mar 28 22:52:05 who doesn't drink in this channel? :) Mar 28 22:52:28 * georgem_home spits ceral malt beverage at the screen Mar 28 22:52:55 The web tells me Mocha was created in 1995, just 2 years after Mosaic. Mar 28 22:52:56 we're obviously speaking relative to some baseline Mar 28 22:53:39 we had internet in my school in 93 or 94 Mar 28 22:53:50 mru: how about beer? Mar 28 22:53:59 at school? Mar 28 22:54:28 sure Mar 28 22:55:01 I went to school a couple miles from silicon valley and we had no such thing. In fact when I moved to Kansas in 1995 we had internets here in school :) Mar 28 22:55:35 I was in sweden Mar 28 22:56:09 I'd like to live abroad Mar 28 22:56:21 that was home then Mar 28 22:56:24 georgem_home: well what AT&T and Comcast try to pass off as internet isn't much better :P Mar 28 22:57:07 georgem_home: why would anyone move to Kansas Mar 28 22:57:09 I remember when somebody said "lets go over to UCSB and see IMP #2" Mar 28 22:57:27 mranostay: some kind of punishment perhaps Mar 28 22:58:00 Kansas should be a penal colony Mar 28 22:58:10 should be? Mar 28 22:58:12 mranostay, north dakota Mar 28 22:58:19 mranostay: My dad was pretty freaked out about the '89 earth quake. One of his clients offered him a full time position here and he took it. Mar 28 22:58:35 georgem_home: that isn't a knee-jerk reaction there :) Mar 28 22:58:43 sorry it was imp#3 Mar 28 22:58:51 georgem_home: wait... here? you still live there? Mar 28 22:59:00 you're probably more likely to be shot by a redneck in kansas than killed by a quake in ca Mar 28 22:59:22 mru, not if you see 'em coming Mar 28 22:59:23 mru: or die of boredom Mar 28 22:59:33 die of boredom highly possible Mar 28 22:59:57 * mranostay pictures Kansas having a 95% alcoholism rate :) Mar 28 23:00:05 that can kill too Mar 28 23:00:12 mranostay, thats Alaska Mar 28 23:00:15 mranostay: whats wrong with that? Mar 28 23:00:40 death by grizzly at least has some style to it Mar 28 23:00:41 oh nothing Mar 28 23:00:47 or can be spun that way Mar 28 23:01:04 georgem_home: at the least the land is flat for good drunk driving :P Mar 28 23:01:16 heh Mar 28 23:01:28 and crashs into corn fields is mostly a victimless crime Mar 28 23:01:31 *crashing Mar 28 23:01:43 have one cross the street Mar 28 23:02:27 unlike that lunatic that crashed into 5 parked cars outside my house a while back Mar 28 23:02:41 you couldn't do that if you tried Mar 28 23:03:10 Actually, its too safe here. At least 4 state troopers live in my subdivision. I think a little chaos would liven things up. Mar 28 23:03:12 mru: was he drunk? Mar 28 23:03:29 don't think so, just old Mar 28 23:03:40 don't drive while old Mar 28 23:03:57 wait until you're reincarnated Mar 28 23:04:05 <_av500_> rejuvenated Mar 28 23:04:12 worm food Mar 28 23:04:13 when I'm old I'm going to floor it everywhere! Mar 28 23:04:38 mru, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Vista_massacre Mar 28 23:05:07 ka6sox: ban assualt cars! Mar 28 23:05:26 where are Saab's made? Mar 28 23:05:39 no where, now? Mar 28 23:05:40 nowhere now Mar 28 23:05:50 ka6sox: used to be sweden Mar 28 23:06:14 they had some kind of evil alliance with GM. They were probably made in Michigan Mar 28 23:06:40 saab was a swedish company that got bought by gm Mar 28 23:06:50 then killed Mar 28 23:06:53 <_av500_> georgem_home: floor it like here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upg2eqNbF3w Mar 28 23:07:06 and is now being held by National Electric Vehicle Sweden. Mar 28 23:07:08 the airplane division still exists and is still swedish Mar 28 23:07:55 so I guess we need an assault vehicle ban too... Mar 28 23:08:13 ka6sox: only 9 gallons allowed :P Mar 28 23:08:18 they build "assault" planes... Mar 28 23:08:35 <_av500_> mru: with 7 round magazines? Mar 28 23:08:54 <_av500_> georgem_home: nvm, wrong movie Mar 28 23:10:06 Apparently criminals didn't get the memo from World War 2 that you can make fully auto assault weapons from stamped sheet metal. Mar 28 23:11:04 sigh, why cna't i jsut go onto a web page, and book a bunch of airtravel Mar 28 23:11:11 its a nightmare Mar 28 23:11:48 usually works for me Mar 28 23:12:46 if you want do something more complex than the normal Mar 28 23:12:52 you either end up being stung Mar 28 23:12:56 or its complex Mar 28 23:13:32 mrpackethead: what are you trying to book? multiple flights? Mar 28 23:13:54 ba has multi-city booking Mar 28 23:14:51 yup, Wellington->Hongkong->Berlin->Cologne Strasbourg->London->Orlando->DFW->JohnWayne(orangecounty) LAX/AKL/WLG Mar 28 23:15:02 woah. Mar 28 23:15:08 mrpackethead uaha Mar 28 23:15:13 is SPI enabled on beagleboard-xm ubuntu image on http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/quantal/ubuntu-12.10-console-armhf-2013-02-16.tar.xz Mar 28 23:15:17 buy your own jet Mar 28 23:15:18 that's quite an itinerary Mar 28 23:15:34 i do trips like that 3 or 4 times a year Mar 28 23:15:41 i've just got sick of dumb travel agents Mar 28 23:15:45 but why the hell do you fly to john wayne? Mar 28 23:15:46 angs: not sure, but did you try the buddy=spi trick I mentioned? Mar 28 23:15:58 * mru knows that place too well Mar 28 23:16:06 Saves heaps of time Mar 28 23:16:09 angs: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel/pull/11 Mar 28 23:16:14 Got to fly out of LAX Mar 28 23:16:15 the airport itself is heaps better than lax Mar 28 23:16:20 Hrm... let me take a look for you mrpackethead Mar 28 23:16:34 *every* airport is better than LAX Mar 28 23:16:41 LAX is the worlds *worst* airport Mar 28 23:16:43 * georgem_home likes burbank Mar 28 23:16:50 angs: if the kernel is any newer than that, it should have the buddy=spidev patch. Mar 28 23:16:56 o'hare is worse Mar 28 23:17:03 no. o'hare is beter Mar 28 23:17:11 LAX is pretty damn bad Mar 28 23:17:12 jkridner, I could not manage it, I will try it once more Mar 28 23:17:17 Charles Degull, is better Mar 28 23:17:25 cdg is awful Mar 28 23:17:35 All it takes is one Ethernet card malfunction and LAX is on lock down :) Mar 28 23:17:46 if flying to paris, look for flights to ORY instead Mar 28 23:17:55 setting kernel command-line args can be a pain to learn, but it is empowering. too bad I haven't seen rcn-ee around here much. probably got overloaded with such quesstions. :-) Mar 28 23:18:04 Best airports; San Francscio Mar 28 23:18:07 Singapore Mar 28 23:18:12 Hong Kong Mar 28 23:18:13 http://consumerist.com/2007/08/15/lax-meltdown-caused-by-a-single-network-interface-card/ Mar 28 23:18:19 * jkridner misses Singapore Mar 28 23:18:25 :) Mar 28 23:18:26 SFO and HKG are both good, never been to singapore Mar 28 23:18:33 * jkridner doesn't like CDG Mar 28 23:18:36 jkridner, thank you for your help again Mar 28 23:18:39 LHR T5 is good Mar 28 23:18:43 SFO... meh Mar 28 23:18:46 Frankfurt is in the Sucky list too Mar 28 23:18:51 MCO is good Mar 28 23:19:02 jkridner: SFO is usually quick to get through Mar 28 23:19:16 it isn't bad. just nothing special to me. Mar 28 23:19:29 * jkridner does not like DFW Mar 28 23:19:32 there's no reason to actively avoid it Mar 28 23:19:36 sfo Mar 28 23:19:46 been through dfw once, didn't seem that bad Mar 28 23:19:50 * jkridner just left DFW Mar 28 23:19:54 DFW, is good Mar 28 23:20:01 no real dramas there Mar 28 23:20:10 SFO is pricy for domestic flights Mar 28 23:20:13 not a bottom 10% or anything, just not something I want to do on a regular basis. Mar 28 23:20:33 I can fly out of SFO to NZ Mar 28 23:20:37 mrpackethead: seems most sites explode after 6 cities Mar 28 23:20:46 georgem_home: exactly Mar 28 23:20:51 SFO is the only place I've been suspected of carrying explosives... Mar 28 23:20:56 that was fun Mar 28 23:21:12 LAX and ORD are both worse than DFW Mar 28 23:21:22 i hate LAX Mar 28 23:21:27 that place just sucks Mar 28 23:21:38 mrpackethead: yeah, SFO is the place to go for international Mar 28 23:21:40 Delhi is worse than all 3 combined. Mar 28 23:21:46 lax is also swedish for salmon, and I can't stand salmon Mar 28 23:21:54 unforutatly i have business in LA Mar 28 23:21:56 in OC Mar 28 23:22:16 My worst to better would be Delhi, LAX, ORD, DFW... I'm sure there are some others in there, but not coming to mind. Mar 28 23:22:28 mrpackethead: there's obviously no other reason to go there Mar 28 23:22:50 if i have no need to go to LA, but to the East coast, i'll go via SFO Mar 28 23:22:57 jkridner: CDG? Mar 28 23:23:02 or if i'm not going to Europe Mar 28 23:23:12 * mru did not enojoy MCO particularly Mar 28 23:23:17 -o Mar 28 23:23:18 CDG is pretty bad. probably right around ORD. Mar 28 23:23:24 i'll often do something like AKL->LAX->ORLAND-OHR->SFO->AKL Mar 28 23:23:39 * jkridner had no worries at MCO... Mar 28 23:23:47 MCO is good Mar 28 23:23:48 nothing _bad_ happened Mar 28 23:23:52 I just didn't like the place Mar 28 23:23:53 I always enter there in a good mood. :-) Mar 28 23:25:21 just nice to be near Disney. Mar 28 23:25:55 I'd rather go to the space center Mar 28 23:25:58 mru, mranostay: any help on the ideas page? Mar 28 23:26:14 mranostay: can you replace the SYSFS thing since it isn't accurage? Mar 28 23:26:21 I would say, on teh top 3 worst Its LAX at #1, CHarles De Gaulle #2, JFK T3, Mar 28 23:26:24 s/accurage/accurate/ even Mar 28 23:26:25 jkridner, what am I signing up for here? Mar 28 23:26:45 ka6sox: we'll tell you later, just sign up Mar 28 23:26:54 mrpackethead, I go to/thru LAX too often...prefer SFO. Mar 28 23:27:58 jkridner, when I run this patch it askes me "file to patch:" where do I need to patch it https://github.com/RussTheAerialist/stable-kernel/blob/fe5c3ccf78aa1b3e6b97b0d1db195b0459a9bffd/patches/beagle/0019-Enable-buddy-spidev.patch Mar 28 23:28:17 how could *anyone* put assembly language and JavaScript in the *same* sentence.... Mar 28 23:28:38 is that even physcally possible? Mar 28 23:28:40 mrpackethead: I won't vouch for it personally, but I just did a booking of your itinerary on smartfares.com and it seems to allow up to 25 cities. Mar 28 23:28:42 +i Mar 28 23:28:56 Software skills: Able to write software in JavaScript and assembly Mar 28 23:28:57 nice. Mar 28 23:28:57 Possible mentors: Jason Kridner Mar 28 23:29:35 ka6sox: I can do JS and ASM. Well which CPU? Mar 28 23:29:48 PRU Mar 28 23:29:56 js on pru? Mar 28 23:30:03 :) Mar 28 23:30:25 JS and bytecode? :D Mar 28 23:30:40 can you write COBOL for PRU Mar 28 23:30:54 * mru demands cobol on cogs Mar 28 23:31:07 exact steps now Mar 28 23:31:22 Russ: ping Mar 28 23:32:16 mru, I can do fortran on cogs Mar 28 23:35:51 not fortran with frills? Mar 28 23:36:04 depends on which frills you want. Mar 28 23:36:12 Russ: G+ post Mar 28 23:36:44 My dad knows fortran, kind of sad Mar 28 23:37:04 georgem_home, why sad? Mar 28 23:37:15 we had an assignment at uni with a choice of C or fortran Mar 28 23:37:28 it didn't say xor, so I made something that built as either Mar 28 23:37:36 :) Mar 28 23:37:38 ka6sox: The 1970's called, they want their programming language back Mar 28 23:37:54 fortran is good for scientific computing Mar 28 23:38:04 georgem, I just saw a job posting for 6 figures doing Fortran work. Mar 28 23:38:24 mru, +1 Mar 28 23:38:37 we were doing simulations with it. Mar 28 23:38:43 you obviously can't use it for systems programming Mar 28 23:38:51 or at least shouldn't Mar 28 23:38:54 never tried that! Mar 28 23:38:56 What about it makes it good for scientific computing? Mar 28 23:39:06 easy for compilers to optimise Mar 28 23:39:16 ya, very fast. Mar 28 23:39:30 the Crays loved it. Mar 28 23:39:52 how much can a person complain about the wifi connection when 20,000 feet up in the air? Mar 28 23:39:55 e.g. pointer aliasing simply doesn't exist Mar 28 23:40:08 jkridner, you can't Mar 28 23:40:10 ka6sox: did you see: imagine answering questions on #beagle from an individual you get to approve Mar 28 23:40:20 jkridner: is the access point also there? Mar 28 23:40:22 (and grade) Mar 28 23:40:26 if so, you can surely complain Mar 28 23:40:49 these projects are "interesting" Mar 28 23:40:51 well, the problem is the AP-to-Internet path, not the laptop-to-AP path. :) Mar 28 23:41:04 so you're not complaining about the _wifi_ Mar 28 23:41:04 how many folks are you trying to get...1 project or many? Mar 28 23:41:15 one Mar 28 23:41:15 ka6sox: create a project idea you'd be willing to support. Mar 28 23:41:30 you don't need to support a project that isn't worth your time in your personal opinion. Mar 28 23:41:43 in 2010, we had 6 students Mar 28 23:41:52 I'd hope we could get at least that many again. Mar 28 23:42:03 we got rejected a couple of years in between. Mar 28 23:42:13 I think we are due to be accepted again. Mar 28 23:42:13 and might be again Mar 28 23:42:23 it's not round-robin Mar 28 23:42:31 if anyone can pull some strings at google, hint, hint to the right people listening. Mar 28 23:42:36 nor fifo Mar 28 23:42:55 NOR FIFO? Mar 28 23:43:00 yeah, I'm not sure what the pattern is.... if I could figure it out, I could probably figure out the lottery too. Mar 28 23:43:28 big orgs are guaranteed a place, effectively Mar 28 23:43:31 others are random Mar 28 23:43:57 jkridner: aren't we lacking in ideas? or we expecting students to propose? Mar 28 23:44:16 jkridner, how many minutes do I have to figure this out? Mar 28 23:44:35 240 Mar 28 23:44:48 perhaps 242 Mar 28 23:45:15 we are lacking in ideas. we want to make sure students feel inspired. Mar 28 23:45:20 What is this talk of students, I dropped out of high school when I was 16 Mar 28 23:45:37 that was stupid of you Mar 28 23:45:40 georgem_home, overacheiver. Mar 28 23:45:43 no it wasnt Mar 28 23:45:49 i think we can have some ideas that look a *little* more like build-a-robot projects, *but* there *really* needs to be a highly reusable component. Mar 28 23:46:03 jkridner: would power management related stuff be too hardware oriented? Mar 28 23:46:19 or simply too hard? Mar 28 23:46:26 georgem_home: you sound like a good mentor candidate. (no sarcasm should be read in) Mar 28 23:46:48 ds2: is there a reusable software component part of it? Mar 28 23:47:01 * jkridner would also like to see more Linux kernel improvement projects. Mar 28 23:47:18 jkridner: could be but it would be specific to a chip Mar 28 23:47:55 ds2: I don't think that is a big deal... as long as folks might actually use that chip in the future. Mar 28 23:48:00 kernel is going to be somewhat specific to a chip too...like iio and pwm Mar 28 23:48:15 * jkridner isn't concerned about hardware dependencies. Mar 28 23:48:45 jkridner: I mentioned before something about getting some of our evil-vendor-tree patches upstream. You seemed to think that was a good idea. Do you still? Do you want me to add it to the site? Does anyone have ideas which set of patches have the highest priority/ Mar 28 23:48:55 jkridner: ^^ as gsoc idea Mar 28 23:49:02 if we had a mentor for reverse-engineering SGX drivers... :-p Mar 28 23:49:10 what about userland IIO tools? Mar 28 23:49:16 alan_o: yes!!!!! Mar 28 23:49:25 I don't have a priority... Mar 28 23:49:32 jkridner: I did actually drop out of high school when I was 16 to work full time programming embedded systems. I was fed up with all of the pot smoking loosers. Mar 28 23:49:37 but I also don't have the knowledge to write it up most clearly. Mar 28 23:49:38 I'd help with mentoring reverse engineering SGX drivers as long as someone will provide legal protection :D Mar 28 23:49:44 ok, I'll add a section. You may need to clean up the language^H^Hwording Mar 28 23:50:03 ds2: good luck! :) Mar 28 23:50:04 alan_o: thanks! Mar 28 23:50:13 georgem_home: s/loosers/losers/ ? Mar 28 23:50:22 mranostay: aren't you below the age where you can be sued? ;) Mar 28 23:50:31 ds2: parents can :P Mar 28 23:50:55 Spelling was never my strong suit. Mar 28 23:52:02 jkridner: would IIO debugging tools be too far out of our scope? Mar 28 23:52:25 I think first we need sysfs support... Mar 28 23:52:46 or implementing a event handler for IIO devices Mar 28 23:52:50 well...I guess upstreaming isn't a requirement for that. Mar 28 23:53:05 programmers don't need to spell correctly.. just consistently Mar 28 23:53:24 programmers don't need to spell Mar 28 23:53:29 just use a binary editor Mar 28 23:54:27 ds2: they don't need grammar either; just use semicolons when you think you've completed a thought; Mar 28 23:54:49 that is proper grammer Mar 28 23:54:51 ds2: I think IIO debugging tools would be directly in-scope. Mar 28 23:54:55 so PRU stuff or interfaces to external RT co-processors... Mar 28 23:55:07 semicolons are a valid way to join sentances Mar 28 23:55:14 * jkridner thinks we need to integrate and push the USB bus analyzer patches mainline as well. Mar 28 23:55:32 ka6sox: thinking of a RT step generator for the PRUs? Mar 28 23:55:54 ds2, thats a possibility Mar 28 23:55:56 ds2: do you have specific instrumentation points in mind? Mar 28 23:56:02 or FPGA..either way Mar 28 23:56:17 jkridner: I was just thinking of something to replicate the evtest debugging facility Mar 28 23:56:19 or even to send data to arduino... Mar 28 23:56:25 ds2: is step generator kinda like a function generator? Mar 28 23:56:40 he means stepper motors Mar 28 23:56:44 I think the interpreter on the PRU is a really helpful thing... Mar 28 23:56:44 jkridner: oh that.. no.. something to generate a stream of pulses to interface to a stepper motor driver Mar 28 23:57:01 ah, yeah, a stepper-motor driver for PRU would be quite cool. Mar 28 23:57:03 there are allegro chips that will take step + dir as inputs to generate phase info for a stepper motor Mar 28 23:57:25 you don't really want a full stepper motor driver in the PRU...it'd then have to implement the chopper stuff and you still need H bridges Mar 28 23:57:40 that would be something I would enjoy :) Mar 28 23:57:52 just something that can generate a specific number of steps at a set rate Mar 28 23:58:00 then tie that in with the LinuxCNC stuff Mar 28 23:58:00 step + dir Mar 28 23:58:18 Bone becomes a CNC controller that cna be used for real mills or fake mills like 3D printers Mar 28 23:58:34 this reminds me, I need to request a password reset for my elinux account :D Mar 28 23:59:17 if the stepper motor driver could be a validation test-case for the interpreter, I would feel the best about that. Mar 28 23:59:53 jkridner: done Mar 28 23:59:55 ka6sox: can you write it up? Mar 29 00:00:07 I'm sorry...mixing javascript and assembly seems like oil and water... Mar 29 00:00:11 ds2: my preference would be to enable running of code like http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/StepperUnipolar Mar 29 00:00:43 so node running steppers.... Mar 29 00:00:46 * georgem_home wants to make a CNC machine, is jealous of the local http://www.hammerspacehobby.com/ Mar 29 00:00:48 jkridner: that is too primative and is not really useable Mar 29 00:00:48 ka6sox: hehe. just seems that way. they are actually a nice pair. Mar 29 00:01:01 ds2: k, if you need a higher-level interface, I'm down with that. Mar 29 00:01:19 jkridner: what i am suggesting is something like - give me 20 pulses at a rate of 100pulse per second Mar 29 00:01:38 otherwise, I can do that on the A8... the reason for the PRU being able to specify exactly the rates Mar 29 00:01:46 ds2: er, so something exactly like what the PWM SYSFS interface used to do? Mar 29 00:01:48 also implied is a way to queue those commands Mar 29 00:02:23 jkridner: sort of...but being able to queue them means we can accelerate or decelerate the motor Mar 29 00:02:28 I'd be down for working to make the PRU stuff the place to go for RT on linux...but making it web friendly is a bit out of my league. Mar 29 00:02:40 or coordinate 3 output Mar 29 00:03:03 so you can move 2 motors and have it generate a circle (or 3 to generate a 3D controlled contour) Mar 29 00:03:06 ds2, exact steps! Mar 29 00:03:12 alan_o: thanks. Not as much specificity as I'd hoped, but it captures what is needed. I might move it to the top, since I consider it the highest priority project. Mar 29 00:03:34 my preference is LinuxCNC as the front end but no reason why other things can't send commands to it Mar 29 00:03:46 jkridner: want more? Mar 29 00:03:49 you can say, have a node.js G-code interpreter Mar 29 00:03:58 jkridner: what kinds of things did you have in mind? Mar 29 00:04:04 specificity-related Mar 29 00:04:34 alan_o: I moved it to the top. if you've got more, especially some of the fields on goals (show up in Linus' tree), required skills and possible mentors, I'd certainly appreciate it. Mar 29 00:04:57 ok, cool. I'll add those things (and hopefully come up with some more) Mar 29 00:05:01 ds2: node.js G-code interpreter using PRU is a perfect project! Mar 29 00:05:24 jkridner: ohhh.... I should have read some of the other ones... I'll make it like those Mar 29 00:06:14 jkridner: that would be too much for 1 GSoC. Mar 29 00:06:14 av500: so cape good enough to send off to OShpark? :) Mar 29 00:06:21 but I'll put some stuff in Mar 29 00:06:34 ds2: you think so? I think there is a lot to leverage to do it. Mar 29 00:06:41 so people can maybe divide that into 2 projects for students. someone will have to do the node.js Mar 29 00:07:00 I think using the PRUs for CNC is a good Project for GSoC Mar 29 00:07:03 ds2: splitting it between the PRU sections and the node.js sections makes sense. Mar 29 00:07:06 jkridner: G-code has a lot of quirks. plus it is 2 skillsets. node.js vs PRU Mar 29 00:07:32 * jkridner could write the node.js portion if needed. Mar 29 00:07:36 what itme is cut off for ideas? Mar 29 00:07:37 time Mar 29 00:07:46 224minutes Mar 29 00:07:49 * jkridner would be fine with a Linux kernel g-code driver too. :-) Mar 29 00:07:58 uh.... Mar 29 00:08:19 or mdp :P Mar 29 00:08:27 I'm going to submit the application after I land and get home. Mar 29 00:08:51 jkridner: summer of trolling! Mar 29 00:08:59 while I think the GSoC team will take a bit of time before they look at the ideas page, it is best to have it pretty close to ready just in case they look at it right away... Mar 29 00:09:19 ds2, I'll join you in the Node/PRU Gcode driver thingy... Mar 29 00:09:24 unfortunately, I don't think we took advantage of the longer application time to get them to look at it while they had more free time. Mar 29 00:09:32 I'm sure there will be many last-minute entries. Mar 29 00:09:51 Are the PRUs Cortex M3? Mar 29 00:10:11 ds2, are you adding this...or do you still need wmat to reset your pw. Mar 29 00:10:18 mranostay: the annual trolling presentation at the mentor summit at Google is certainly a highlight of the program Mar 29 00:10:49 ka6sox: I am typing it... reset is done. Mar 29 00:10:50 georgem_home: nope, proprietary 32-bit architecture running at 32-bits with an open source assembler (closed-source C compiler under development). Mar 29 00:10:57 you can edit it if it doesn't look good Mar 29 00:11:05 there is an M3 on BeagleBone, but no one has figured out how to give it access to the pins. Mar 29 00:11:14 ah, ok Mar 29 00:11:19 * jkridner is confident it is possible, just that no one has been sufficiently motivated Mar 29 00:11:32 there are 2 PRUs on BeagleBone. Mar 29 00:11:44 jkridner: did panto express interest in mentoring? Mar 29 00:11:55 He's be a perfect one for this. Lots of upstream experience. Mar 29 00:12:14 the advantage of PRUs over M3 is the shorter pipeline resulting in a lower latency for pin-change-on-input to pin-change-on-output Mar 29 00:12:49 alan_o: not sure. let me check my e-mail. I have a queue of mentor volunteers who've asked me to add their info to the wiki. Mar 29 00:13:30 can the M3 access blocks like the McSPI or the I2C? Mar 29 00:14:28 ds2, there is m3 code for driving steppers already Mar 29 00:15:23 alan_o: no bald people are allowed to mentor Mar 29 00:16:59 Anyone tried out 3.8.4-rt2 yet? Mar 29 00:17:12 ds2, hurry up...I only have 211 minutes to finish editing. Mar 29 00:19:47 slic3r is perl and probably fast enough to run on a Bone Mar 29 00:19:56 mranostay, at pub ... game is on...ssssshhhh Mar 29 00:20:19 mdp, which game? Mar 29 00:20:46 ka6sox: can you take a look and edit/modify it as needed? not sure if it is understandable by others :/ Mar 29 00:20:59 lemme see... Mar 29 00:21:03 jkridner: updated: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Ideas#Upstreaming_Beagleboard.org_Kernel_Patches Mar 29 00:21:07 I added 2 ideas Mar 29 00:21:44 alan_o: thanks! Mar 29 00:21:50 * jkridner read it Mar 29 00:21:55 ds2: thanks! Mar 29 00:21:56 * georgem_home read it Mar 29 00:22:28 sometimes it seems upstreaming stuff is harder than pissing into the wind :P Mar 29 00:23:01 jkridner: can you make sure it is understandable? it was a hurried edit Mar 29 00:23:25 yup... I will re-read everything a couple of times before hitting the submit button on the application. Mar 29 00:23:29 georgem_home: it takes a few skills which are not related to code, and often don't come with people who code well. Mar 29 00:23:44 fyi: the text I will use for the application is at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Application Mar 29 00:24:40 alan_o: I've noticed this. Seems like diplomacy is an essential trait. Mar 29 00:25:45 jkridner: I've kicked around the idea of porting the FreakZ zigbee stack to run on top of the kernel's 802.15.4 interface, specifically our interface to send raw packets. I'd think it would be straight-forward and doable. The only problem is, he's not maintaining FreakZ anymore. Koen has mentioned TI's ZAP library which has similar functionality, and can run on Linux. I'm not familiar with it (maybe you are?), but I assume it talks to ha Mar 29 00:25:45 rdware directly. I have no idea what it would take, but what if this could be ported to sit on top of our userspace interface, making it hardware-independent? Good idea, or too much TI corporate stuff to deal with? Mar 29 00:26:10 georgem_home: yes, diplomacy, and checking one's ego at the door. Mar 29 00:26:25 georgem_home: I wouldn't say what you are suggesting is difficult, merely that it can be unpleasant and sometimes unproductive (both tasks) Mar 29 00:26:57 alan_o: nope, not familiar with it. :( Mar 29 00:27:35 * jkridner would love to see people in analog/wireless groups get more involved in #beagle et al. Mar 29 00:27:59 * jkridner can't even get a wi-fi cape. :( Mar 29 00:28:17 jkridner: can node help here? Mar 29 00:28:19 wl12XX is incompatible... Mar 29 00:28:27 I supposedly had one to pick up a CircuitCo last week, but the guys didn't bring it to the office when they were there today. Mar 29 00:28:34 mranostay: probably. Mar 29 00:28:44 jkridner: I've given some exact steps to people involved with the lowpan stuff. People are getting there. It's hard because we can't boot an upstream (or net-next) kernel. Hence my interest in such :) Mar 29 00:28:45 it is bad-ass rock star tech, after all. Mar 29 00:29:17 ds2, we need a rockstar name.... Mar 29 00:29:29 like Arduino Killer or some such... Mar 29 00:29:33 jkridner: I'd design and make a wifi cape if I thought anyone would buy it. When one can get a tiny wifi dongle for $20, how is one supposed to compete with that? Mar 29 00:29:35 * jkridner is rather fond of asynchronous coding, yet I agree it is an abomination of all that computer science has taught us. :) Mar 29 00:29:59 jkridner: does it remind you of the invention of the transistor? Mar 29 00:30:02 * alan_o ducks Mar 29 00:30:14 ds2, read it before I hack on it some more. Mar 29 00:30:29 is there way I can get chanserv to rename mranostay to nodehater? Mar 29 00:30:45 jkridner, that would be nicserv Mar 29 00:30:48 alan_o: lol Mar 29 00:30:54 nickserv Mar 29 00:31:12 ka6sox: good point, but I *know* I don't have any special power over it in #beagle Mar 29 00:31:52 jkridner: we don't like your kind around here :P Mar 29 00:31:54 jkridner: I think you just do /nick nodehater Mar 29 00:32:09 ds2, how about Bone replacement for computer and arduino controlling your 3D printer... Mar 29 00:32:21 :-) Mar 29 00:32:29 it was worth a try :) Mar 29 00:32:37 look, it worked! Mar 29 00:32:38 jkridner: hey Mar 29 00:32:46 lol Mar 29 00:32:48 aw. Mar 29 00:34:29 if I could get samples of the DRV8825 I'd build a cape for that and use the PRU's to drive ti... Mar 29 00:34:38 s/ti/it/ Mar 29 00:34:58 ka6sox: that's a TI part, no? Mar 29 00:35:04 yes Mar 29 00:35:19 * jkridner has a webpage for that Mar 29 00:35:47 but everyone would hate me...because the parts would be on the BOTTOM... Mar 29 00:38:19 it would look like a cape with nothing on it. Mar 29 00:38:49 ka6sox: would the PRU assembler and uio kernel patches count as existing projects? I'm just wondering where folks can get some "required reading" before submitting their project application. Mar 29 00:38:52 ka6sox: we all would love your quirky ways Mar 29 00:39:18 ka6sox: there's an idea, the lid cape. Mar 29 00:39:20 mranostay: man... how come you don't love my quirky ways? :( Mar 29 00:39:34 jkridner, ya, probably Mar 29 00:39:48 mranostay, yup Mar 29 00:40:06 alan_o, I'll have to remember that. Mar 29 00:42:09 shut down time. Mar 29 00:42:19 they'll disconnect me any second. Mar 29 00:42:52 jkridner: where are you? Mar 29 00:43:00 airplane Mar 29 00:43:15 1st? Mar 29 00:43:39 large slow target? Mar 29 00:50:19 ds2, you still here? Mar 29 00:50:36 ka6sox: go for it Mar 29 00:50:46 * mranostay yells NAND and summons ds2 Mar 29 00:51:08 ka6sox, buckeyes vs. wildcats Mar 29 00:51:25 ka6sox: rename it as you like... both of those proposed names are fine Mar 29 00:51:30 KSU FTW Mar 29 00:51:42 KU! Mar 29 00:51:53 yeah, KU is actually my preference Mar 29 00:52:07 I much rather have a board that uses the proven allegro chips Mar 29 00:52:39 ds2, for driving most of the steppers that are in common use..they are TOO DAMNED SMALL.... Mar 29 00:52:50 and inadequately heat sunk. Mar 29 00:53:01 ka6sox: really? they should handle most NEMA-34's ok Mar 29 00:53:07 but need a heatsink Mar 29 00:53:15 or maybe I don't drive them hard enough ;) Mar 29 00:53:18 right..the current boards are crap. Mar 29 00:53:41 you mean the pollou and the other stuff the reprap folks are using? Mar 29 00:53:46 yes Mar 29 00:53:50 ah Mar 29 00:53:56 they are built wrong Mar 29 00:53:57 I avoid them if I can :D Mar 29 00:54:16 if you assume they are just the chips slapped onto a breadboard... Mar 29 00:54:32 they are still crap...not big enough Mar 29 00:54:48 but aren't people driving NEMA-17s and smaller? Mar 29 00:55:20 even so...they are inadequate for the jobs and when you start running them HARD like the new firmwares...they are flakey. Mar 29 00:55:42 I see Mar 29 00:56:10 you much rather do the chopper in a uC and use a solid H-bridge? Mar 29 00:56:32 the DRV8825 is fine Mar 29 00:56:55 you just need to properly heat sink 'em Mar 29 00:57:58 the real solution is to put the part on the bottom of the board and let the heat rise. Mar 29 00:59:08 or have the beagle output LVDS signals and drive a cable Mar 29 00:59:08 ;) Mar 29 00:59:21 heh Mar 29 01:04:50 ds2: can the PRU help here? Mar 29 01:05:20 mranostay, magic 8 ball say.....Yes, yes it can... Mar 29 01:09:06 magic 8 ball can the PRU cure cancer? Mar 29 01:10:23 mranostay: sure it can Mar 29 01:17:10 mru, appears to be in deepest darkest Sweden Mar 29 01:17:51 heh Mar 29 01:29:04 where can I find spitest code to test spidevMcSPI4 Mar 29 01:29:20 *spidev4 Mar 29 01:29:59 for beagleboard-xm Mar 29 01:30:25 for some reason I saw "spit'iest" code. Mar 29 01:34:35 sounds french Mar 29 01:35:26 we don't let the french in this channel right? Mar 29 01:35:28 right? Mar 29 01:38:35 only if they take a shower and use deoderant Mar 29 02:08:33 ds2, okay lets finish this "proposal"... Mar 29 02:08:41 109 minutes left. Mar 29 02:09:10 and I need you to sign on as a mentor. Mar 29 02:16:38 mranostay: http://imagebin.org/252042 Mar 29 02:18:01 prpplague, this won't be a kit *right*??? Mar 29 02:18:09 ka6sox: no Mar 29 02:18:15 ka6sox: that was just playing around Mar 29 02:18:31 ka6sox: i have to make some decisions on something before monday Mar 29 02:18:41 btw...LOVE the bacon silkscreen. Mar 29 02:18:53 ka6sox: +1 Mar 29 02:19:33 need a version for my arduino though...Linux is too hard Mar 29 02:20:00 * prpplague grumbles Mar 29 02:20:09 lol Mar 29 02:20:14 i like to go through a bunch variations on this kind of stuff, but i have no time Mar 29 02:20:55 angs: spidev_test.c is in kernel docs dir Mar 29 02:22:42 mdp, does the default code work okay on beagleboard or does it need to be modified (full/half duplex, etc issues) according to the board? Mar 29 02:23:40 spi is only full duplex Mar 29 02:24:31 dunno. I would assume needing pin mux changes to make loopback work Mar 29 02:24:46 on _board_ Mar 29 02:24:51 ok then, because I have an olimex board that needs to be modified as halfduplex on the code because of its processor and the default code did not work, I found a modified code for the board Mar 29 02:25:22 sounds broken Mar 29 02:25:28 if you say the default code works, then it should be Mar 29 02:25:38 I also have one more question. I have just installed the prebuild ubuntu image on http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu I get such connection error http://pastebin.com/fxRQzthg while I am trying to apt-get install or update, how can I fix it? Mar 29 02:25:47 same ip works on bone Mar 29 02:26:12 I only use xm for regression tests these days Mar 29 02:27:27 dns set up? sounds lime a generic network admin issue Mar 29 02:27:35 *like Mar 29 02:28:13 I already added a new nameserver (8.8.8.8) on resolv.conf , I get that error so often Mar 29 02:28:29 angs... can you ping anything through dns? Mar 29 02:29:34 does your dns ping or your gateway? Mar 29 02:29:55 local subnet address? Mar 29 02:31:37 thurbad, it pings google but it waits 6-7 sec to output a data Mar 29 02:32:07 like 64 bytes from 173.194.47.97: icmp_req=2 ttl=46 time=28.2 ms Mar 29 02:32:36 beagle is connected to the same AP that I am connected Mar 29 02:33:10 is there a duplicated IP on your network? Mar 29 02:34:21 I don't think so, it is 3:30 am here and I am the only person in the building who uses the AP Mar 29 02:35:01 is the IP self assigned? or assigned by dhcp? Mar 29 02:35:09 by dhcp Mar 29 02:35:37 likely safe then Mar 29 02:36:28 is there any known networking issue with the ubuntu image? Mar 29 02:37:18 try a tracert it may tell you more than ping Mar 29 02:40:27 I have been using ubuntu image on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP#Precise_Pangolin_.2812.04.29-1 I did not have any problem on the network. Mar 29 02:40:37 here is traceroute output http://pastebin.com/4y2XSMCy Mar 29 02:40:56 it can traceroute but seems slow Mar 29 02:44:25 your response times don't look like anything's wrong **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 29 02:59:59 2013