**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 09 02:59:58 2013 Apr 09 03:16:17 emeb_mac: F-P-G-A!!! Apr 09 03:16:40 mranostay: you should try out for the cheerleading squad! Apr 09 03:43:09 jkridner: people need to subscribe to LKML for a few days Apr 09 04:12:12 Hey does anyone have an ARM machine who could test some code for me? Apr 09 04:16:41 er Apr 09 04:20:47 PZM: you don't have one? Apr 09 04:40:13 Unfortunately not; setting up qemu but havin a few issues with it....should have it down soon though Apr 09 07:20:57 <_av500_> just now in another channel: "...oh no my son again eat's dog food..." Apr 09 07:49:36 maybe he misunderstood "eat your own dog food" and took it literally. Apr 09 07:52:06 might be two dogs chatting. it's hard to know Apr 09 07:52:42 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/m6bhbg Apr 09 07:52:42 kernel/3.8 315141b Koen Kooi: 3.8: fix build with overly long paths... Apr 09 07:55:00 on the internet, nobody knows you're a dog Apr 09 08:02:18 <_av500_> its a real kid in fact, he seems to have tried cat food too Apr 09 08:02:25 <_av500_> I guess its in crawling reach Apr 09 08:03:38 :P Apr 09 08:04:54 Hi Apr 09 08:06:23 Waiting at the doctors surgery now 25 minutes late Apr 09 08:39:13 surgery? Apr 09 08:52:38 no. Apr 09 08:52:46 waiting for wife Apr 09 08:52:53 she had flu vacination Apr 09 08:53:09 was logging in from ipad Apr 09 09:13:12 ah.. Apr 09 09:13:19 hmm... Apr 09 09:13:47 hospitals here ban electronic devices completely... Apr 09 09:19:31 boring. why Apr 09 09:20:07 i was in CCU last year, and they let me have my phone, laptop and ipad Apr 09 09:20:25 maybe swiss hopsitals have old equioment Apr 09 09:20:30 :-) Apr 09 09:51:41 <_av500_> mrpackethead: its to sell you overpriced phone and TV service Apr 09 09:52:06 its just the swiss way Apr 09 09:53:18 mrpackethead: ^^' Apr 09 10:18:48 <_av500_> hmm, a 13bit CPU Apr 09 10:19:32 <_av500_> 13bit instructions in fact Apr 09 10:42:26 _av500_: huh? Apr 09 10:42:48 _av500_: i havent seen such an odd number since the 19bit stuff Apr 09 11:33:57 Have somebody managed to read journal klogs on ubutntu/debian? I have compiled 3.8.6 kernel via angstrom manual with RFS, and it stucks "Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p2..." I have Voltage and Current regulator TI TWL4030 support in my kernel as it was adviced in here: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard/yiPfwGhnx88 Apr 09 12:18:44 when last I was conscious, I was fighting with dtc. Apr 09 12:19:27 and it won? Apr 09 12:20:28 i certainly didn't Apr 09 12:23:42 it always wins Apr 09 12:35:43 <_av500_> KotH: www.emc.com.tw/eng/database/Data_Sheet/.../EM78P567.pdf Apr 09 12:38:58 jkridner: DT overlay is only a single patch that isn't in upstream git, it isn't that hard to add it to the recipe, right? Apr 09 12:40:13 guess I was trying to do it the hard way Apr 09 12:40:51 I thought that it'd be better aligned with the Linux source... but that is clearly a PITA approach Apr 09 12:41:05 * _av500_ hints at board_generic.c Apr 09 12:42:14 jkridner: https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard/commit/96bb2c4ca95cba3b78615c4363c65fcd65cb188a Apr 09 12:42:33 jkridner: the only trick was to git-format-patch the kernel commit and patch -p3 it to dtc.git Apr 09 12:42:42 * koen stops clock Apr 09 12:42:46 6 minutes work :) Apr 09 12:44:22 jkridner: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/dtc_1.3.0+gitAUTOINC+27cdc1b16f86f970c3c049795d4e71ad531cca3d-r3.1.0_armv7a-vfp-neon.ipk Apr 09 12:49:05 k, guess you'll include it? Apr 09 13:20:15 dropbear seems to get its head confused at times Apr 09 13:31:02 _av500_: 8bit processor? Apr 09 13:31:13 _av500_: are you planning an ultra low budget mp3 player? Apr 09 13:33:43 <_av500_> no Apr 09 13:33:51 <_av500_> just found that inside a product and googled it Apr 09 13:34:04 <_av500_> did not expect a socketed 28pin DIP from China Apr 09 13:34:29 Hi.. How much of technical knowledge is required, to contribute to a project? (via Google summer of code) Apr 09 13:35:01 <_av500_> writing code Apr 09 13:35:52 probably a good idea is more important than true technical ability Apr 09 13:38:26 I checked out some of the ideas in the project page, and most of them went over my head. Although I'm fairly good at C/C++, and a little experience in Arduino, I haven't come across most of the technical terms given there. Apr 09 13:39:13 Koushik, if any of the project ideas of are interest...consider it an opportunity to learn more about those terms from some mentors Apr 09 13:39:40 sounds like you have the fundamental skills required Apr 09 13:40:57 I'm very much interested in Arduino-related projects there, but I don't know where to start researching more about that project, so that I can write a decent proposal Apr 09 13:49:01 jkridner, gsoc page qualification test needs some grammar help: Add your binary to a fork of to the a fork of the https://github.com/jadonk/gsoc-application git tree Apr 09 13:49:18 too many 'to a fork of' in a row Apr 09 13:49:22 got a pull request? Apr 09 13:49:26 k Apr 09 13:49:35 page at: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/beagle Apr 09 13:49:40 so not sure how to send pull request or patch Apr 09 13:52:00 fixed Apr 09 13:55:15 * mdp imagines a qualification test involving precise servo control with bitbanged gpio pulses Apr 09 13:55:23 jkridner, you want qemu-static example? Apr 09 13:56:00 I think something like that would help students test their work, yes. Apr 09 13:56:51 I think they should have real hardware Apr 09 13:57:41 emulation has a multitude of issues of its own Apr 09 13:59:09 mru, for hello world? Apr 09 13:59:40 I don't see hello world on the list of project ideas Apr 09 13:59:59 mru, I'm talking about the qualification test code jkridner has Apr 09 14:00:12 I assume this is a sanity check Apr 09 14:00:14 as a qual test...h/w doesn't make sense Apr 09 14:00:19 bradfa, right Apr 09 14:00:31 Can I get into gsoc? :) Apr 09 14:00:37 I can pretend to be a student Apr 09 14:00:43 no Apr 09 14:00:53 mdp, no because you don't like me? :( Apr 09 14:00:53 it's forbidden by the rules if you are a mentor Apr 09 14:01:01 I'm a mentor? Apr 09 14:01:04 aren't you? Apr 09 14:01:06 last I checked, I was still registered at the university... Apr 09 14:01:16 my credits for my masters haven't expired yet Apr 09 14:01:26 and I haven't finished masters, so maybe... Apr 09 14:01:31 same here Apr 09 14:01:48 mdp, should I be a mentor? Apr 09 14:02:06 all I'm good for is PMICs and complaining about systemd (although I've never actually used it) Apr 09 14:02:16 and uarts, I guess Apr 09 14:03:25 bradfa, the only skill you need is the ability to edit that elinux wiki page Apr 09 14:03:32 that's the Mentor qualification test Apr 09 14:04:11 mdp, ok, I'll look into it Apr 09 14:04:25 thanks Apr 09 14:04:30 * mdp notices alan_o's "hardware help" notes... Apr 09 14:04:37 "Breadboard wire-jamming" LOL Apr 09 14:04:38 maybe I can work qemu into editing elinux wiki... Apr 09 14:05:37 * bradfa needs a better note taking method Apr 09 14:20:01 jkridner: modprobe g_multi file=/dev/mmcblk0p1 cdrom=0 stall=0 removable=1 nofua=1 iSerialNumber=A4-0113BBBK0089 iManufacturer=Circuitco iProduct=BeagleBoneBlack host_addr=BC:6A:29:79:99:91 Apr 09 14:20:15 thanks!! Apr 09 14:20:33 jkridner: serial expanded to 12 chars and it passed 'BeagleBoneBlack' if it's a black as iProduct Apr 09 14:24:37 morning Apr 09 14:24:42 troll Apr 09 14:30:01 hello Apr 09 14:30:27 i need help for a analog device chip driver Apr 09 14:30:38 ADV7183 Apr 09 14:31:19 i use beaglebone with last version of Ansgtom Apr 09 14:32:48 define "latest version of Angstrom" Apr 09 14:34:10 Angstrom with kernel 3.2 Apr 09 14:36:40 SSS_: I believe http://beagleboard.org/chat should have a guide on asking productive questions. Apr 09 14:37:25 SSS_: you don't mention an angstrom version, like "v2012.05" or "v2012.12" Apr 09 14:37:41 the latest angstrom version is v2012.12 and uses a 3.8 kernel on bone Apr 09 14:37:46 (hence my question) Apr 09 14:38:09 anyway, it doesn't like linux has drivers for adv chips in any version Apr 09 14:53:42 jkridner, tabs, not spaces in C files. This isn't python :) Apr 09 15:05:54 hej, on the gsoc page, are you trying to write the code for the reprap cap? (the one winning the prize?) or is the idea for no cap? Apr 09 15:08:30 and are any 802.15.4 capes available? Apr 09 15:13:23 I think there are some 802.15.4 chips or boards that can be interfaced by UART, doesn't necessary need a board Apr 09 15:18:04 8 wires an a mrf24j40 :) Apr 09 15:18:25 ah cool, never played with those :) Apr 09 15:18:51 i was more thinking of ti's cc2420 Apr 09 15:19:23 koen, +1 Apr 09 15:20:13 * koen has the imprint of a CC2530ZDK_EM in his left index finger Apr 09 15:20:31 antenna mount ripped free, tried to solder it back on Apr 09 15:20:41 then picked it up Apr 09 15:20:53 300 degrees leaves a mark Apr 09 15:22:06 ouch Apr 09 15:22:22 but that is a full SoC with 8bit core? Apr 09 15:26:58 a lot of TI 802.15.4 designs have an msp430 attached to the radio Apr 09 15:28:49 anyone here know if there is a simple way to create an sd card image (like the img.xz in the demo files) from the angstrom build outputs? Without actually writing to an sd card, I mean Apr 09 15:29:51 yeah, kpartx + mkcard.sh Apr 09 15:29:55 requires root though Apr 09 15:30:28 ok let me poke around with that for a bit Apr 09 15:31:07 yeah, i hope that the cc2538 is available soon Apr 09 15:31:40 JSN: I would really like to see a proper tools for doing that. Apr 09 15:32:08 for most file system it's not a problem you can genfs Apr 09 15:32:14 flaushy: there's an 'RF cape' that will go for sale that will accept TI daughterboards Apr 09 15:32:34 koen: thx :) looking into it Apr 09 15:32:34 flaushy: not sure how the communication part will work, since it won't use existing linux infrastructure Apr 09 15:32:54 for FAT I don't know perhaps http://developer.android.com/tools/help/mksdcard.html of the old school dos tools Apr 09 15:34:07 I hope to have a tool in the comming month(s) to do so Apr 09 15:35:03 keesj: dvhart worked on making an genext4fs as part of e2fsprogs Apr 09 15:35:18 keesj: would be neat to combine that with http://git.pengutronix.de/?p=genimage.git;a=shortlog;h=HEAD Apr 09 15:39:29 thanks for the link! Apr 09 15:40:08 so it uses mcopy :) Apr 09 15:40:39 keesj: https://plus.google.com/101378268367730737515/posts/DoXJXurM8XZ Apr 09 15:47:20 is there a relation between genimage and link on +? Apr 09 15:48:32 jkridner, around? Apr 09 15:48:43 so do I have this right? make a 4GB empty file, "mount" it with kpartx, use mkcard.sh on the new device, "unmount" with kpartx Apr 09 15:48:54 yeah, got hung up on some stupid website formatting junk at the moment. Apr 09 15:49:06 keesj: no link, shoragan showed me genimage a while ago Apr 09 15:49:44 is kpartx some new fancy name for loop mount? Apr 09 15:49:51 jkridner__, what is the dt setup of a working pwm_test scenario? Apr 09 15:50:20 mru: it creates /dev/mapper/loopXpY entries for you based on the scan of the loop file Apr 09 15:50:36 let me see if I've got my patch anywhere public. Apr 09 15:50:39 mru: saves you doing partprobe, write down numbers losetup -o so loop+dm Apr 09 15:50:49 yes Apr 09 15:50:59 so does that mean an empty file won't work? as there's no partition info? Apr 09 15:51:14 fdisk works fine on files Apr 09 15:51:23 it's just bytes after all Apr 09 15:51:27 mru: http://hastebin.com/yaqukixevo.pl Apr 09 15:51:36 very convient tool Apr 09 15:53:30 jkridner__: students are hitting the linkedin profiles too it seems :) Apr 09 15:53:34 panto: k, I just looked at what I sent you. Apr 09 15:53:47 I don't have anything that actually works. Apr 09 15:54:18 k Apr 09 15:54:28 what I sent you has a dt that I think *should* work, but it causes nasty errors. Apr 09 15:56:45 panto: I added a link to where I got my info from (though I imagine you've already seen it). Apr 09 16:05:11 I am getting a fatload error when booting my beagleboard xm with LCD7 cape. "** Unable to use mmc 0:1 for fatload **" "**Bad partition 2 **" Apr 09 16:05:30 I have already reimaged the SD card a couple of times from an Ubuntu machine Apr 09 16:05:51 last time I deleted all the partitions first. Apr 09 16:06:03 any advice? Apr 09 16:07:32 Hello there, This is regarding GSoC-2013 project named Android-based boot host. I was wondering where could I find more information about this project ? Apr 09 16:15:01 http://pastebin.com/HT1DNLpd Apr 09 16:15:52 addresseerajat: you have seen this part right http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Ideas#Android-based_boot_host ? Apr 09 16:16:18 keesj: yes, I have seen that page Apr 09 16:17:25 I wanted some additional information so that I can understand this project in a better way. Apr 09 16:18:49 <_av500_> addresseerajat: I am trying to understand it as well Apr 09 16:18:53 <_av500_> and I am a mentor :) Apr 09 16:19:38 yes, the booting part can be done in many weird ways. normally when you connect a device to Android Accessory Development Kit the device act as usb host and the android phone as usb device. Apr 09 16:19:45 <_av500_> yes Apr 09 16:19:50 <_av500_> I just thought the same Apr 09 16:19:56 <_av500_> so you at least need a working uboot Apr 09 16:19:59 addresseerajat: did you follow the links? do you have some deeper questions? Apr 09 16:20:01 <_av500_> on the sdcard Apr 09 16:20:26 <_av500_> jkridner__: you are aware that ADK is host Apr 09 16:20:29 <_av500_> not device? Apr 09 16:20:33 the thing to get clear is that part of the story. ( I also have a phone that can work as usb-host) . if you do that you can boot the beagle using the usb booting protocol and "flash" an image into it Apr 09 16:20:36 <_av500_> s/?/!/ Apr 09 16:20:47 <_av500_> keesj: usb host is not mandatory Apr 09 16:20:56 <_av500_> even google phones dont have it Apr 09 16:20:58 <_av500_> lile n4 Apr 09 16:21:00 <_av500_> like Apr 09 16:21:14 jkridner: I followed the links, but I didn't the understood the idea completely, and hence didn't understood the links as well. Apr 09 16:22:01 the bone works as ADK http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/BeagleBone-Android-DevKit_Guide so that's not really the problem in the whole story :P Apr 09 16:22:07 _av500_: yeah, but I think you could try to flip the roles around once you boot. The booting is the new-cool-thing. Apr 09 16:22:14 koen, regarding genimage: i'm sorry that i haven't followed up on that, too busy with customer stuff... Apr 09 16:22:14 <_av500_> ? Apr 09 16:22:24 the ADK just gives it something to do after booting. Apr 09 16:22:32 <_av500_> but how do you boot? Apr 09 16:22:37 <_av500_> not every android phone is host Apr 09 16:22:38 libusb Apr 09 16:22:40 if you need an example which works on the bone, see http://git.pengutronix.de/?p=platform-pengutronix-beagleboneti.git;a=tree;f=config/images Apr 09 16:22:42 <_av500_> host mode is not mandatory Apr 09 16:22:49 <_av500_> it will work only on some phones Apr 09 16:22:57 <_av500_> if you are ok with that, yes libusb Apr 09 16:23:00 fair enough, but doens't this libusb-android project work on some phones? Apr 09 16:23:03 shoragan: same here :) Apr 09 16:23:06 <_av500_> yes Apr 09 16:23:08 <_av500_> some Apr 09 16:23:23 <_av500_> jkridner__: the other option is uboot with adk mode on sd Apr 09 16:23:29 being able to grab software images using your phone and having them run on a beagle just sounds super cool to me. Apr 09 16:23:30 <_av500_> and you load kernel+rootfs via adk Apr 09 16:23:47 _av500_: that's just the adk. that's done. Apr 09 16:23:52 oh... Apr 09 16:23:54 <_av500_> booting from it? Apr 09 16:23:56 well, that would be interesting... Apr 09 16:23:57 <_av500_> is done? Apr 09 16:24:00 koen, that platform also contains a barebox config ans some patches for the bone, if you want to try that Apr 09 16:24:04 if you booted using the adk... Apr 09 16:24:09 would work on a whole lot more phones! Apr 09 16:24:15 <_av500_> yes Apr 09 16:24:19 <_av500_> all certified ones Apr 09 16:24:22 <_av500_> since adk is mandatory Apr 09 16:24:23 booting from mtp would even work on more Apr 09 16:24:26 :P Apr 09 16:24:32 <_av500_> lol Apr 09 16:24:34 <_av500_> but yes Apr 09 16:25:42 an altnernative is to put your sd-card in an android phone to boostrap the whole thing Apr 09 16:25:48 if you add the booting adk from libusb-android, then you wouldn't need the uSD card for those phones that support that. :) Apr 09 16:26:03 <_av500_> yes Apr 09 16:26:15 <_av500_> but you limit yourself to only some phones Apr 09 16:26:50 <_av500_> jkridner__: what about android phone as "display" for the bone? Apr 09 16:26:54 <_av500_> display + buttons Apr 09 16:27:51 even. I am not 100% sure you can do it' doesn't the usb serial boot have short timeouts? Apr 09 16:28:10 does the adk provide for serving up web pages to the phone? Apr 09 16:28:21 <_av500_> the adk does whatever you want Apr 09 16:28:25 Linux userspace ADK sounds very useful. Apr 09 16:28:30 <_av500_> your android app talks to the adk device Apr 09 16:28:42 koen, viewing Apr 09 16:28:44 <_av500_> adk is a dumb data pipe Apr 09 16:28:45 urg Apr 09 16:28:51 https://github.com/blog/1465-stl-file-viewing Apr 09 16:28:58 k, so a bone app that opens up a browser and points it to files served by the bone? Apr 09 16:29:06 off to climb Apr 09 16:29:09 (could work over wifi as well) Apr 09 16:29:31 * jkridner__ would love to see some more edits to the ideas page. :) Apr 09 16:29:39 I think I am being lost somewhere in this conversation on #beagle channel. Can you please tell me what are the prerequisites of this project apart from android, java and c. And how much of linux knowledge do I need to be acquainted with for this project ? Apr 09 16:29:58 I just thought booting off of libusb was cool. being able to use the bone for real apps with android phones is cooler. Apr 09 16:30:20 you need to not be scared of using the google search engine. :) Apr 09 16:30:45 some lower-level Linux familiarity is always good. Apr 09 16:31:36 Crofton|work: sweet Apr 09 16:31:38 Crofton|work: https://github.com/koenkooi/beaglebox/blob/master/stl/bonebox-20121002.stl Apr 09 16:32:05 :) I'll surely follow that path. But I couldn't understand what to search. Apr 09 16:32:22 Will get back to you after a bit research :) Apr 09 16:34:26 someone please help me i need a UART or USB recovery tool Apr 09 16:34:48 i erased my nand and i think i accidently bricked it Apr 09 16:35:34 my tf card does not boot even on forced boot; no matter how hard i try (i formated the card properly) Apr 09 16:36:41 <_av500_> you cannot brick it Apr 09 16:37:41 * mru drops a brick on _av500_'s beagle Apr 09 16:43:57 i cant get to the bootloader stage Apr 09 16:44:16 so i cant try anything Apr 09 16:44:21 or see anything Apr 09 16:45:29 jkridner__, I'll kill the non-DT path of pwm_test Apr 09 16:45:36 too messy to keep it around Apr 09 16:46:02 so no one knows? Apr 09 16:46:20 panto: cool. Apr 09 16:46:21 khan_, what board? Apr 09 16:46:24 <_av500_> I still assume the card is bad Apr 09 16:46:35 devkit 8500D Apr 09 16:46:39 <_av500_> ??? Apr 09 16:46:45 <_av500_> what beagle is that? Apr 09 16:46:48 xM varient with nand Apr 09 16:47:04 clone Apr 09 16:47:14 chinese Apr 09 16:47:16 khan_: did they replicate the "boot" button? Apr 09 16:47:24 <_av500_> pastebin a boot log Apr 09 16:48:04 there is no boot log Apr 09 16:48:13 nothing displays Apr 09 16:48:33 the initial boot loader is erased Apr 09 16:48:45 or messed up i guess Apr 09 16:49:16 well, i disconnected the LCD7, and it boots up. so I messed up the LCD7 when I followed those other instructions. Apr 09 16:49:41 i dont use an lcd Apr 09 16:49:50 i use DVI Apr 09 16:50:08 khan_: sorry, I am talking about my problem. Yours is a separate issue i know. Apr 09 16:50:19 oh Apr 09 16:50:56 know any good recovery tools Apr 09 16:55:57 so if per say i killed it Apr 09 16:56:21 khan_, buying a clone board comes with it's own problems Apr 09 16:56:30 so who knows what kind of corners were cut Apr 09 16:56:32 then the hyperterminal should not display the "60" should it Apr 09 16:56:41 :S Apr 09 16:57:03 i have to display a project tomorrow it cant die now :O Apr 09 16:57:44 heh Apr 09 16:57:57 make "60" the demo Apr 09 16:58:03 you better start praying, and make sure your prayers are directed to a god of the far east Apr 09 16:59:02 that was racist -_- Apr 09 16:59:11 it was factual Apr 09 16:59:53 support (even by the community) is factored in the price of the things you buy Apr 09 17:00:12 heh Apr 09 17:00:15 when you cut corners, you get cut support with cut corners Apr 09 17:00:31 in this case, zilch, by the original manufacturer Apr 09 17:02:23 ooh...almost a Godwin moment! Apr 09 17:02:31 excitement! Apr 09 17:03:37 so, something with the LCD causes the boot process to fail. Apr 09 17:04:00 chutyae ho tum sab bc Apr 09 17:04:43 meh Apr 09 17:05:57 yoyodyn, since the pins of the mmc are not connected for on the LCD7, it should be some kind of short Apr 09 17:10:07 panto: here is some background. yesterday, I had the combo booting up, and loading into a gui on the LCD, except it was backwards (left/right). I found a page that said some of the LCD7 eeproms were shipped corrupted. I followed instructions to reprogram the eeprom, and that is when this boot problem started. Apr 09 17:10:30 ugh Apr 09 17:10:40 its an Angstrom image I am trying to boot btw, but when the LCD is attached it doesnt get that far. Apr 09 17:10:50 do you have a way to measure how much current you draw? Apr 09 17:11:09 there shouldn't be any difference for the boot Apr 09 17:11:55 i might have a way to do that, just measure at the DC input, or are there a couple of pins somewhere that would be better? Apr 09 17:12:10 no idea Apr 09 17:12:18 measure at DC input Apr 09 17:12:28 here is the page for the directions i followed btw: http://beagleboardtoys.info/index.php?title=Reprogram_ULCD7_Lite_EEPROM Apr 09 17:13:18 yoyodyn, I would be very way of modifying the EEPROMs of shipped capes/boards Apr 09 17:14:07 you see, if you put bad data there, you can cause the muxing of the pins by the kernel to conflict with the actual cape hardware Apr 09 17:14:20 so you might have a short by that Apr 09 17:14:41 I am trying to start a skeleton os, does anyone has experience on it ? Apr 09 17:14:52 why? Apr 09 17:15:12 maybe he wants to build a bone cluster Apr 09 17:15:13 ugh. has anyone ever looked at https://git.ti.com/ti-linux-kernel/ti-linux-kernel/commits/ti-linux-3.8.y ? Apr 09 17:15:49 mdp: what is the purpose of that tree other than to make my stomach turn. Apr 09 17:15:53 ? Apr 09 17:16:06 wait..... :-D Apr 09 17:16:20 wont be able to check the current for a couple of hours. Apr 09 17:16:21 jkridner, dunno, I can't access it from here and I don't work on it Apr 09 17:16:41 anyway to restore the original eeprom configuration? Apr 09 17:16:46 mdp: from where? north korea? Apr 09 17:16:56 close Apr 09 17:17:02 north dakota? Apr 09 17:17:12 routing is broken from TWC northeast ohio / western PA Apr 09 17:17:35 TI IT doesn't know how to make the site work from everywhere Apr 09 17:17:47 mdp: come again? Apr 09 17:17:53 you heard me Apr 09 17:17:54 that's why you need a few proxies scattered about Apr 09 17:18:11 jkridner__, it doesn't work for me either Apr 09 17:18:20 works from here Apr 09 17:18:22 panto, it's your ISPs fault Apr 09 17:18:40 so if you wants us to feel righteous indignation you'll have to cut and paste Apr 09 17:18:42 panto, get a new ISP Apr 09 17:19:09 mru, split tunnel vpn to access it..only way for me Apr 09 17:19:27 anybody else on this isp can't access that "public tree" Apr 09 17:19:47 what "public" tree is this? Apr 09 17:19:55 jkridner__, anyway, it's apparently what you all ordered Apr 09 17:21:04 * jkridner__ seems to be covered in buttons, because they are so easily bumped into Apr 09 17:22:59 * mranostay press jkridner__ Apr 09 17:23:03 *presses Apr 09 17:30:09 I was unable to work qemu-static into editing of the elinux.org wiki page but I did add myself as a gsoc possible mentor Apr 09 17:33:51 panto: 0.79amps was being drawn when the board/screen combo is plugged in. Apr 09 17:39:17 yoyodyn, that doesn't look good Apr 09 17:39:59 jkridner__: any news on the patches? Apr 09 17:40:42 other than I keep getting distractions? I'm about 10 minutes from finishing the Bacon Cape demo code. Apr 09 17:41:09 jkridner__: nodejs? Apr 09 17:41:27 do you have a choice? :-) Apr 09 17:41:50 * mranostay wacks jkridner__ with a clue by four Apr 09 17:42:38 I don't know why you spend so much energy hating on nodejs. Apr 09 17:42:45 it has a purpose and it is good at its purpose... Apr 09 17:42:51 it doesn't replace C or try to. Apr 09 17:42:55 * mranostay pulls in mru Apr 09 17:43:12 it can send people down bad paths, but so can every other programming environment. Apr 09 17:43:53 don't like it, don't use it. Not sure why the continued abuse. Apr 09 17:44:10 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/155 Apr 09 17:45:28 * jkridner__ can't easily write browser RPC call code in C. Apr 09 17:46:33 * ka6sox-away sends mranostay off to write a browser in PRU assembly Apr 09 17:52:25 koen: I'd get there faster if I stopped paying attention to USB e-mails. Apr 09 17:55:40 jkridner__: what's the purpose of node.js? Apr 09 17:56:01 jkridner__: somehow i cannot see the point of a webserver written in javascript Apr 09 17:56:18 but then.. i'm not a webdesigner... Apr 09 17:56:18 KotH: will you concede that JavaScript has a purpose or do I need to justify that? Apr 09 17:57:12 jkridner__: i have not seen much of javascript yet, but what i've seen didnt look bad... so i guess it's a nice domain specific language... and yes, i think it serves a purpose Apr 09 17:57:12 If you can assume that JavaScript has a purpose and acknowledge that it is pervasive over the web, then using it on the server enables you to have a common language throughout your design. Apr 09 17:57:39 I can complain about JavaScript and the browser implementation all day long.... Apr 09 17:58:06 but if you just take that part for a given, then running it on the server means that you don't have to learn another language and you can do some nifty stuff using tools like socket.io. Apr 09 17:58:20 that sounds like "a hammer served me well in putting this nail into the wall, i guess it will serve me also in driving this screw in" Apr 09 17:58:42 perhaps, if it didn't happen to work well on the server side. Apr 09 17:59:13 if you are used to the style of JavaScript closures, then creating handlers for network requests is straight-forward. Apr 09 17:59:14 * KotH has heard otherwise Apr 09 17:59:39 I find it rather easy to create the simple servers that I need... Apr 09 17:59:51 and easy to extend with interactions on the web page. Apr 09 17:59:58 creating easy servers in a specific language is easy Apr 09 18:00:07 takes me about 3 lines of perl to get an http server Apr 09 18:00:11 I think it makes a nice language for doing embedded glue due to the event handler methodology.... Apr 09 18:00:14 another 3 line to let it do something fancy Apr 09 18:00:29 when building an embedded system, you typically want to just create a bunch of handlers for physical events. Apr 09 18:00:36 that is something that node.js does well. Apr 09 18:00:51 but i would never think of using perl as the main engine of a webserver... i'd rather choose apache (as buggy as it may be) and let perl handle the frontend Apr 09 18:01:10 KotH: writing a webserver in node.js is also a 3-line job. Apr 09 18:01:11 er.. backend Apr 09 18:01:30 fair enough, unless what you wanted to do was something that perl handled nicely. Apr 09 18:01:50 I'm not suggesting building google.com or www.ti.com with node.js necessarily... Apr 09 18:01:57 apache does a great job at what apache does. Apr 09 18:02:04 ok.. to be fair, i've written ftp servers in perl and used them in a production envrionment :) Apr 09 18:02:05 nginx does a great job of what it does. Apr 09 18:02:19 so why give me crap? :-) Apr 09 18:02:51 writing an ftp server in node.js is trivial and can be done in an afternoon, easily. Apr 09 18:03:15 because i think that node.js serves very little purpose and is overly hyped. so i try to get an understanding what people who use node.js think that the advantages of node.js are Apr 09 18:03:23 to understand the world around me better.. basically Apr 09 18:03:45 KotH: it's like python-django 4 years ago Apr 09 18:03:52 KotH: and php 10 years ago Apr 09 18:04:13 $new_tech Apr 09 18:04:22 * KotH doesnt think that php created so many bloody flamewars as node.js did Apr 09 18:04:45 * KotH points at "node.js is cancer" Apr 09 18:05:33 KotH, node.js has its place...as a systems language..its still hopeless...but for what it does..it does it well. Apr 09 18:05:34 not cancer, more like flesh eating virus Apr 09 18:06:52 prpplague, but neither django or node.js have caused as many ulcers as php has in SysAdmins. Apr 09 18:07:06 hehe Apr 09 18:07:06 ka6sox: hehe Apr 09 18:07:30 php.ini hacking... Apr 09 18:08:21 KotH: ever seen php shell scripts? :) Apr 09 18:08:46 KotH, there are still uses for Fortran in the Universe...and if JS is going to be touching system side stuff I'd rather have something as well done as node.js is rather than other things that are scary to a SysAdmin. Apr 09 18:08:46 I think the main appeal is that the standard library provides asynchronous implementations of every function such that you can avoid blocking system calls. Apr 09 18:09:22 ka6sox: i think, as a sysadmin, python is worst... i have not seen anything creates so many problems if you want to install it into a non-standard subdirectory or use stow on it Apr 09 18:09:25 ...and JavaScript closures provide a mechanism for providing the event handlers. Apr 09 18:09:38 mranostay: yes i have.. wtf'ed and continued whatever i was doing ;) Apr 09 18:09:39 jkridner__: ever used enea ose? Apr 09 18:09:50 * jkridner__ struggles to read Python because it doesn't look like C. Apr 09 18:10:16 * ka6sox herds jkridner back to patches...and away from philosophy...lets let him finish :) Apr 09 18:10:25 mru: nope. Apr 09 18:11:06 it's a nice rtos, purely event driven Apr 09 18:11:08 ka6sox: :-) stupid conference calls further distract as well. :( Apr 09 18:11:22 * jkridner__ misses programming in RTOSes Apr 09 18:11:40 no concept of process or thread Apr 09 18:12:25 mru: i read "microkernel"... how do they solve the performance issues of seperate process and memory handling... and the messaging overhead? Apr 09 18:12:45 mranostay, how's that browser coming in PRU Assembly? Apr 09 18:13:18 KotH: I wouldn't call it a microkernel Apr 09 18:14:19 heh Apr 09 18:14:39 * KotH puts it onto his "to have a look at" list Apr 09 18:17:22 KotH: the process overhead is solved by not having them Apr 09 18:17:54 hmm... i like that approach :) Apr 09 18:18:10 * KotH moves is up on the list Apr 09 18:19:19 .o0(why the fuck do publishers think it's ok to charge 20USD for a single paper, when the distribution cost is basically zero) Apr 09 18:19:34 KotH: because they can Apr 09 18:21:59 yeah.. manchester capitalism FTW Apr 09 18:23:20 i FUCKING paid for some of these papers! Apr 09 18:25:43 what I really like is that they have added their eBooks into the university libraries and their lending system Apr 09 18:26:05 but to not give an "unfair" advantage to ebooks, they have a 10 day wait on inter-university lending Apr 09 18:26:15 lol Apr 09 18:26:15 wtf Apr 09 18:26:48 Russ: where do they store the bits in transit? Apr 09 18:27:00 mranostay: looooooooong fibers Apr 09 18:27:07 mranostay, probably dprk Apr 09 18:27:43 on the other hand... there are some smaller town libraries here in .ch that started to "lend" mp3s Apr 09 18:27:55 though, i don't know how they actually handle it Apr 09 18:28:52 but giving that it's perfectly legal to borrow a CD from a library and make a copy for personal use, i doubt there is much problem dealing with mp3s Apr 09 18:29:01 gm Apr 09 18:29:23 moin woglinde Apr 09 18:29:25 gut geschlafen? Apr 09 18:29:32 morning woglinde Apr 09 18:30:10 troll him, you know you want to Apr 09 18:31:55 KotH: not legal here :) Apr 09 18:32:50 mranostay: .ch has one of the most consumer friendly copy right laws in the world... and probably the most relaxed that the GATT treaties allow :) Apr 09 18:56:46 anyone know a way to restore the LCD eeprom back to factory? Apr 09 18:58:06 yoyodyn from crystalball 4.5? Apr 09 18:59:13 ok, don't know what that is. Apr 09 18:59:53 this is a beagleboard xM LCD7 Rev B from ciruitco. Apr 09 19:16:23 ok, so who's elias? :) Apr 09 19:16:27 jackmitchell, ping too Apr 09 19:20:06 didnt quit Apr 09 19:21:32 afk Apr 09 19:25:58 yoyodyn: only the manufacturer knows Apr 09 19:26:13 yoyodyn: but if you screwed the eprom... you must be out of waranty Apr 09 19:26:24 yoyodyn: what ever you did to that lcd, it wasnt nice Apr 09 19:27:33 yoyodyn: and that doesn't speack highly of your quality manufacturing ;-) Apr 09 19:29:59 speak* Apr 09 19:31:33 directions i followed were on the support wiki. *shrug* Apr 09 19:54:54 jkridner__, fixup of pwm_test pushed Apr 09 19:55:01 sweet! Apr 09 19:55:06 you should get it from koen when he wakes up tomorrow Apr 09 19:55:26 not really tested, so I'd appreciate the people that can do some testing to take a look Apr 09 19:55:51 did you make entries for the various P8_/P9_/blah guys? Apr 09 19:56:09 ie, was there a problem with my DT? Apr 09 19:56:21 and, do I need to take what I did on my DT and do it 7 more times? Apr 09 19:56:32 (you give me one, I can make the other 7) Apr 09 19:57:01 wah? Apr 09 19:57:05 ideally, it would be in the bone dt and we'd just be giving an "OK", no? Apr 09 19:57:20 what is the P8_/P9_ ? Apr 09 19:57:20 what is the method for enabling the PWMs? Apr 09 19:57:32 those are the header pin names. Apr 09 19:57:42 I created a pwm_P8_13.dts Apr 09 19:58:02 so that echo pwm_P8_13 > slots would configure the PWM. Apr 09 19:58:18 https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-bbxm/commit/6ef07bf1aaec79c92c94b8fe3c7ad83d8e439b4b Apr 09 19:58:22 that is my expectation of the user interface when you don't have a cape. Apr 09 19:59:04 perfect, I just need to rename it and make 7 more. Apr 09 19:59:25 you also have to figure out pinmuxing etc Apr 09 19:59:39 there's also sysfs entries you can modify Apr 09 19:59:46 anyway, make sure you test it Apr 09 19:59:53 that's just a matter of changing the line you have with P9_14 on it, no? Apr 09 19:59:56 jackmitchell, please take a look too Apr 09 20:00:01 and elias Apr 09 20:00:28 which line? BB-BONE-PWMT ? Apr 09 20:00:49 only line to change for the pin mux is https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-bbxm/commit/6ef07bf1aaec79c92c94b8fe3c7ad83d8e439b4b#L1R22, no? Apr 09 20:01:20 don't know if I have to change the reference names to be unique. Apr 09 20:01:37 you have to Apr 09 20:01:43 k Apr 09 20:01:45 the go into a global namespace Apr 09 20:01:47 *they Apr 09 20:02:35 I also need to change https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-bbxm/commit/6ef07bf1aaec79c92c94b8fe3c7ad83d8e439b4b#L1R28 to point to the right subsystem depending on the PWM (epwmssX vs. ecap or whatever it is) Apr 09 20:03:05 what ever Apr 09 20:03:07 I also need to change https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-bbxm/commit/6ef07bf1aaec79c92c94b8fe3c7ad83d8e439b4b#L1R35 for the specific resource inside the PWM. Apr 09 20:03:15 you just reference the pwm, and it should work Apr 09 20:03:34 and I have to change the same thing here https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-bbxm/commit/6ef07bf1aaec79c92c94b8fe3c7ad83d8e439b4b#L1R48 Apr 09 20:03:50 k. I'll look at the pwm configurations in the main DT and make them match with the other pins. Apr 09 20:04:03 I'm pretty sure I understand what I need to do. Apr 09 20:04:21 I'm going to test all 8 pwms and come back on tomorrow. Apr 09 20:37:18 wtf? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22087275 Apr 09 20:37:27 what happened to good old-fashioned shooting? Apr 09 20:37:45 mru, out of ammo Apr 09 20:43:30 mru: canada.. they dont have guns Apr 09 20:43:42 er.. Apr 09 20:43:45 never mind... Apr 09 20:43:50 * KotH cannot read anymore Apr 09 20:44:18 * KotH does some electrophilic substitutions and goes to bed Apr 09 21:02:58 oh no, the pis have made a wall, http://www.ccfe.ac.uk/news_detail.aspx?id=213 Apr 09 21:04:44 we had one years ago Apr 09 21:05:21 yeah, thats lame Apr 09 21:19:46 mru: "1. Use of the open source Raspberry Pi platform – shortlisted as the greatest British innovation of the 21st century by the Science Museum." Apr 09 21:20:39 * panto facepalms Apr 09 21:23:54 british must have shitty inventors :) Apr 09 21:28:26 denix0: hey! Gentoo dude! Apr 09 22:29:59 does anyone have available a known good (minimum) image that I can download? Or something that can run diagnostics easily? BB-xM is freezing up after a few minutes, and so far has not dumped anything to the console when it happens. Apr 09 22:30:30 ahem Angstrom Apr 09 22:32:11 there is a test image on angstrom's site Apr 09 22:32:37 http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ Apr 09 22:34:38 whats the difference in the images there? Apr 09 22:34:54 it looks like there are 6 Apr 09 22:38:26 are you looking for an image or a rootfs archive? Apr 09 22:41:08 personally.. I woulduse the TI-GNOME one if you want the whole system, or the beagleboard-demo one if you want a more stripped down version Apr 09 22:47:04 Is it possible to have 2 spi device attached to the same beablebone? Apr 09 22:47:10 *beaglebone Apr 09 22:47:51 if you have chip selects available, yes Apr 09 22:48:24 but I see only one spi on the beablebone, and one cs pin on it Apr 09 22:48:46 Do I have to do the cs myself? Apr 09 22:50:54 if you only have one chip select avaible then you can only connect one device with standard means Apr 09 22:52:36 beablebone? Apr 09 22:52:58 there's more CSes on the bone. check your pinout again Apr 09 22:53:05 biblebone Apr 09 22:56:21 mdp ah yes ! gpio0_7 mode2 is the spi1cs1 Apr 09 22:56:22 thanks Apr 10 00:09:24 i am writing my proposal for Summer of Code and i am required to include some feedback from the community. the question is "If your project is successfully completed, what will its impact be on the BeagleBoard.org community?" i need 2-3 paragraphs from a member of the community. thank you for the help ! Apr 10 00:38:38 what kind of project are you doing? Apr 10 00:42:09 ahh forgot the most important part. Android-based boot host...had a really full day Apr 10 01:03:27 prpplague: got it working :) Apr 10 01:04:14 wmat: dandy Apr 10 01:04:20 rusty will be pleased! Apr 10 01:08:58 prpplague: still have to write it up Apr 10 01:09:17 those damn sticky errors are still around though Apr 10 01:18:10 wmat: hehe seems there is another anders out there! http://www.andersdx.com/blog/cm-fx6-press-release.aspx Apr 10 01:20:43 prpplague: you should sue for trademark infringement Apr 10 01:20:55 hehe Apr 10 01:21:15 ungureanuvlad: can you describe it (or point to description)? Apr 10 01:22:10 the goal of the project is to use an Android phone as source for the linux image that will be booted into the beagle. http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Ideas#Android-based_boot_host Apr 10 01:27:41 ds2: ^^ Apr 10 02:19:03 ds2: ping Apr 10 02:21:16 Hello.. Apr 10 02:21:57 i want to do a project of image processing. Apr 10 02:22:30 my question of the perfomance of the beaglebone for this project Apr 10 02:23:25 i need to do task like image background substraction Apr 10 02:23:55 i need 15 fps. Apr 10 02:24:21 somebody can help me. Apr 10 02:24:24 Guest61858: http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/BeagleBone-and-Some-Fun-Applica;Only-Engineering-TV-Videos Apr 10 02:31:34 do you know some paper documentation? thank for your time. Apr 10 02:33:21 Guest61858: sure, you can locate it all by using this fascinating new document location and retrieval service which can be found at http://www.google.com , but don't tell anyone it is a secret Apr 10 02:33:53 prpplague: pong Apr 10 02:34:09 ds2: hey weren't you using a cnc router to do some small pcbs? Apr 10 02:34:29 prpplague: I was looking into it on a mill Apr 10 02:34:44 ds2: ahh Apr 10 02:35:01 you want to do some PCB milling? Apr 10 02:35:17 problem is most of my interesting PCBs are coming out to require 0.5mm or finner pitch parts Apr 10 02:35:35 ds2: yea i mainly need some small adapter boards and such to test things with Apr 10 02:35:38 ds2: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3040-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-MACHINE-INTELLGENT-MACH-3-SOFWARE-MILLING-DRILLING-c6-/190752339241?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c69b9b529 Apr 10 02:35:54 ds2: electronics looks like crap Apr 10 02:36:07 ds2: but i could it with a beaglebone Apr 10 02:36:31 looking... Apr 10 02:37:03 seem a bit vague Apr 10 02:37:12 to do PCBs well, you need a high speed spindle... say 100KRPM Apr 10 02:37:24 ooops Apr 10 02:37:28 10KRPM I mean Apr 10 02:38:15 decent electronics with the bone is hard to do unless you want to write SW (see the proposed GSoC project) Apr 10 02:39:39 ungureanuvlad: Hmmmmm you sure you know what is involved? Apr 10 02:40:07 ds2: yea, it was more of a play with it kind of thing Apr 10 02:40:12 ds2: just as an experiment Apr 10 02:40:29 i am trying to find out these days, all the sides of the project Apr 10 02:40:34 prpplague: wish they spec'ed the speed of the spindle. too slow and you'll wind up breaking lots of bits Apr 10 02:40:44 prpplague: my spindle tops out at 8K hence... Apr 10 02:40:58 ungureanuvlad: what do you know about it? Apr 10 02:41:13 ds2: seems to be a generic chinese item sold on ebay, there are a dozen vendors of it Apr 10 02:41:28 ds2: i read today about how booting is done on the beagel and now i was reading about the usb patch that is used for the recovery process Apr 10 02:41:57 prpplague: some of those are pretty bad.. the other spec to look at is the run out. too much spindle run out and it eats bits Apr 10 02:42:12 ds2: Spindle motor 200w dc motor 500~8000PRM/Min Apr 10 02:42:50 ds2: yea, like i said it was just a passing interest, maybe order one to play with Apr 10 02:42:54 ungureanuvlad: that's a good start... do you know what stage uses which protocol? Apr 10 02:43:11 prpplague: *nod* just think you can get a better toy with a CNC mill Apr 10 02:43:34 prpplague: the other problem with that item is you need to figure a way to hold the PCB Apr 10 02:43:51 prpplague: ahve you seen hte commericial PCB mills? Apr 10 02:44:40 ds2: i am here right now, as far as i understood the patch insted of loading the linux loads another boot which runs a program at some place in mem(for the recovery) Apr 10 02:45:00 ds2: negative Apr 10 02:45:07 ds2: got some urls? Apr 10 02:45:10 prpplague: one sec Apr 10 02:45:53 prpplague: www.lpkf.com is one... there is another one that I can't find (they were at local shows) Apr 10 02:46:35 * prpplague looks Apr 10 02:46:44 ungureanuvlad: yes...that is the processor download... it loads MLO into memory. then you need to switch to something else to download a bootloader...then something else to load zImage then something else to ... Apr 10 02:47:04 not trying to discourage you...just describing it Apr 10 02:47:19 ds2: hmm initial look doesn't reveal any pricing Apr 10 02:48:01 prpplague: the guy at the booth said the base one is about 5-10K to get into it Apr 10 02:48:16 the reason to look at them is to see how they implement board holding and other details Apr 10 02:48:46 ds2: it sounds really interesting, i would really enjoy talking with somebody at least to point me out a direction of things. i have some years behind with embedded development but not this low-level. just applications of different types of boards. Apr 10 02:49:42 ungureanuvlad: I don't mind commenting but I am in and out (doing other stuff in parallel) Apr 10 02:49:56 what is your timezone ? Apr 10 02:50:13 PDT Apr 10 02:50:17 UTC-8 Apr 10 02:50:54 ok so 10PM at ur place now Apr 10 02:50:58 i am GMT+2 Apr 10 02:51:01 no Apr 10 02:51:05 1951 Apr 10 02:51:19 oops, sorry, UTC-8 I mean Apr 10 02:51:23 UTC-7 Apr 10 02:51:31 -7 is PDT, -8 is PST hence the confusion Apr 10 02:52:23 ds2: interesting Apr 10 02:52:25 ds2: http://www.lpkf.com/products/rapid-pcb-prototyping/circuit-board-plotter/protomat-e33.htm Apr 10 02:52:29 so the idea is to make stages for the booting process Apr 10 02:52:51 like to have multiple downloaders and the phone should feed the files one at a time Apr 10 02:53:09 prpplague: hehe..that's the base line model... IIRC, their spindle is a lot faster and has less runout then the imports Apr 10 02:53:28 at what price? Apr 10 02:53:43 ungureanuvlad: you need to clarify that a bit... download WHICH files ? Apr 10 02:53:55 ka6sox: they guy at the booth said about 6-10K depending on options Apr 10 02:54:04 I think 15-20K will let you do multilayer boards too Apr 10 02:54:21 ds2: yea i like how they said it was "even afford for students" Apr 10 02:54:35 prpplague: clearly, we are going to the wrong schools :D Apr 10 02:55:09 ds2: as far as i got with trying to boot angstrom in qemu i have seen that i need the zImage and then i need to filesystem. booting over usb presumes loading everything from phone, right ? Apr 10 02:55:10 I think even our Engineering Academy here can't afford one. Apr 10 02:56:27 indeed Apr 10 02:56:28 ungureanuvlad: unless I am misunderstanding somethings...there is more to it then that Apr 10 02:57:04 ds2: in general terms i was speaking, that is why i wanted somebody to point me out some things. Apr 10 02:57:52 sorry to bug in the other conversation, back home i have a milling machine from http://zentoolworks.com/ and it suits me really well for the PCB s i have done until now. Apr 10 02:58:05 ungureanuvlad: have you seen the pserial stuff? Apr 10 02:58:16 there is a pusb tool in there that you'll need to emulate Apr 10 02:59:51 * prpplague sends an inquiry email on the protomat-e33 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 10 02:59:58 2013