**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 22 02:59:58 2013
Apr 22 03:00:40 <ka6sox> quite
Apr 22 03:01:31 <ka6sox> the biscuits we got (dry though they are) but the microwave is on the fritz and have to wait for the kettle.
Apr 22 03:02:13 <prpplague> ka6sox: hehe
Apr 22 03:12:25 * ka6sox predicts wailing and gnashing of teeth...followed by Blue Smoke...
Apr 22 03:13:17 <ka6sox> and pictures of how to do the mod to prevent same such...
Apr 22 04:02:47 <Russ> a little birdy told me to search the TI online store for a release date and price
Apr 22 04:08:21 <Shadyman> Nice price.
Apr 22 04:09:40 <crashovrd> :O
Apr 22 04:09:46 <crashovrd> \o/
Apr 22 04:09:57 <Shadyman> ^
Apr 22 04:11:17 <crashovrd> they killed him for what he knew
Apr 22 04:12:08 <Shadyman> Yeah :/
Apr 22 04:12:13 <Shadyman> crashovrd: But now you know too!
Apr 22 04:12:20 <Shadyman> crashovrd: Get the door, it's Domino's.
Apr 22 04:12:35 <crashovrd> :O
Apr 22 04:13:29 <Shadyman> crashovrd: I'm kidding, it's not Domino's. It's the hit squad.
Apr 22 04:22:35 <crashovrd> this conspiracy is far reaching! they replaced him with a clone now
Apr 22 04:22:50 * crashovrd adds more tinfoil to his hat
Apr 22 04:49:49 <Shadyman> crashovrd: He sensed that you rejected his attempts to become Russ.
Apr 22 05:25:07 <mranostay> morning
Apr 22 05:25:17 <mranostay> friends, family, fpgas!
Apr 22 05:25:27 <mrpackethead> hi hi hi
Apr 22 05:26:10 <KotH> hi pld
Apr 22 05:41:29 <creemj> I am trying to get Debian wheezy armhf installed on a Beaglebone but having no luck.
Apr 22 05:41:36 <creemj> Using image from http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/wheezy/debian-wheezy-console-armhf-2013-03-28.tar.xz
Apr 22 05:42:16 <creemj> Kernel boots and then beaglebone freezes when kernel starts INIT.
Apr 22 05:42:44 <dm8tbr> or maybe you don't have a getty configured
Apr 22 05:42:53 <creemj> After awhile the kernel BUG: "task startpar:164 blocked for more than 120 seconds" is printed.
Apr 22 05:43:43 <creemj> While I have not unpacked the image to check for getty I should be surprised if it is not there!
Apr 22 05:44:37 * dm8tbr doesn't know that image and how it should behave on a bone
Apr 22 05:45:13 <creemj> Just unpacked image, and you are right, no getty on the serial console!
Apr 22 05:45:39 <dm8tbr> which is a bit weird given that it has 'console' in the name
Apr 22 05:46:03 <creemj> Indeed.
Apr 22 05:47:20 <creemj> Wait a minute --- the script I used to install "setup_sdcard.sh" adds a serial console getty line to inittab by the looks.
Apr 22 05:48:51 <creemj> Anyway, symptoms are not what I would expect from missing getty line.
Apr 22 05:51:17 <creemj> Looking at inittab it runs /etc/init.d/rc which then runs /etc/default/rcS which I see no evidence of being run.
Apr 22 05:53:34 <creemj> sorry, it should run scripts in rcS.d and I do not see output from them so I think boot process is getting stuck.
Apr 22 05:53:55 <dm8tbr> init, always a b*tch to debug :-/
Apr 22 05:53:59 <dm8tbr> btdtmto
Apr 22 06:16:45 <ka6sox> dm8tbr, you had me till "TMO"
Apr 22 06:16:54 <ka6sox> er MTO
Apr 22 06:18:44 * mranostay shakes ka6sox 
Apr 22 06:18:52 <mranostay> OMT
Apr 22 06:20:12 <ka6sox> no hits
Apr 22 06:26:27 <dm8tbr> ka6sox: more than once
Apr 22 06:26:44 <ka6sox> dm8tbr, thanks
Apr 22 06:27:07 <mranostay> ka6sox: you ever sleep?
Apr 22 06:27:23 <ka6sox> whats sleep?
Apr 22 06:27:57 <dm8tbr> sleep, for the weak she is!
Apr 22 06:28:13 <ka6sox> you can sleep when you are DEAD.
Apr 22 06:30:20 <Shadyman> Aww crap, robertberger's dead?
Apr 22 06:30:23 <Shadyman> I kinda liked that one.
Apr 22 06:30:30 <Shadyman> I blame ka6sox.
Apr 22 06:31:06 <ka6sox> NGRI
Apr 22 06:31:43 <ka6sox> or...if you prefer...NGbRoI
Apr 22 06:34:43 <Shadyman> okay, sleep time. Back in 8 hours as a zombie
Apr 22 06:39:08 <KotH> dm8tbr: that's why we replaced it with systemd
Apr 22 06:41:32 <dm8tbr> KotH: and that is easier to debug?
Apr 22 06:41:49 <KotH> ofc not! but nobody cares about that
Apr 22 06:42:04 <dm8tbr> *badumtsh*
Apr 22 06:44:23 <mrpackethead> no body cares
Apr 22 06:44:30 <mrpackethead> thats so sad.
Apr 22 06:46:21 <ka6sox> no, systemd just allowed us to boot fast...
Apr 22 06:46:25 <ka6sox> its not simpler
Apr 22 06:50:57 <koen> it's easier to debug in the sense that everything can be debugged from a single place
Apr 22 06:53:50 <felipebalbi> morning
Apr 22 06:57:56 <ka6sox> koen, I've not tried admittedly yet...30yrs of SysVinit and this new-fangled stuff is well...New...
Apr 22 06:58:10 <keesj> koen +1 , felipebalbi +1. debugging MINIX servers can be a challenge sometimes
Apr 22 07:01:52 <koen> ka6sox: I've never had to debug init itself, only crappy initscripts
Apr 22 07:02:43 <koen> and since scripts are now outside the control flow of init debugging "why didn't it start?" is easier
Apr 22 07:03:01 <koen> if you ever had a slightly wrong LSB header in your script you know what I mean :)
Apr 22 07:03:28 <koen> (or had to suffer through busybox-isms like a missing --oknodo)
Apr 22 07:03:55 * Russ waits for systemd to integrate busybox
Apr 22 07:04:13 <koen> but systemd does bring us new things to worry about like type=oneshot vs type-simple
Apr 22 07:04:32 <Russ> and when you poweroff from an ssh section, the session hangs
Apr 22 07:04:36 <Russ> er, ssh session
Apr 22 07:04:51 <koen> Russ: SIGSTOP?
Apr 22 07:05:11 <Russ> it doesn't kill the ssh session properly
Apr 22 07:05:32 <koen> *lightbulb*
Apr 22 07:05:43 <Russ> at least on systemd-44
Apr 22 07:05:44 <koen> now I see why people are doing 'reboot & poweroff'
Apr 22 07:06:01 <Russ> you mean reboot & exit?
Apr 22 07:06:11 <koen> right, that one
Apr 22 07:07:17 <koen> Russ: do you have a beaglebone black with the power button?
Apr 22 07:07:47 <Russ> not right now
Apr 22 07:08:19 <Russ> I'm trying to finish up the OPP50 suspend stuff anyway
Apr 22 07:08:35 <koen> do you need one for the 3.8 powerbutton integration?
Apr 22 07:08:51 <Russ> shouldn't matter, its really easy to attach one
Apr 22 07:09:07 <koen> ok
Apr 22 07:09:08 <Russ> its on the header
Apr 22 07:10:17 * koen headdesks
Apr 22 07:10:35 <koen> I commit a fix this morning after debugging the issue this weekend
Apr 22 07:10:47 <koen> I do a 'git pull --rebase' to pull in upstream changes
Apr 22 07:10:52 <koen> and get a merge conflict
Apr 22 07:13:04 <koen> turns out I fix it 2 weeks ago and sent a patch
Apr 22 07:13:32 <koen> I need to take better notes
Apr 22 07:13:49 <koen> and stop using git before coffee
Apr 22 07:16:13 <Turl> it's worse when you're working on a feature, pull changes and you get a conflict because someone else implemented it already
Apr 22 07:24:10 <crashovrd> fork it!
Apr 22 07:24:16 <av500> kang it
Apr 22 07:25:04 <KotH> dongle?
Apr 22 07:26:26 * Turl guesses av500 is an Android user
Apr 22 07:27:01 <Russ> you are just guessing a user?
Apr 22 07:27:10 <av500> I peddle in that stuff
Apr 22 07:27:20 <av500> pssst, want some?
Apr 22 07:27:40 * Russ signs up for av500's free archos beta testing program
Apr 22 07:27:55 * KotH watches as Russ waits in vain for a device
Apr 22 07:29:07 * KotH is hungry
Apr 22 07:29:16 <KotH> .o0(second breakfast wasnt enough)
Apr 22 07:29:36 <Turl> I just guess the obvious
Apr 22 07:29:50 <Turl> I suppose I'm biased too
Apr 22 07:31:59 <KotH> how much bias? 5V?
Apr 22 07:32:20 <av500> oooh, rainbow ribbon
Apr 22 07:32:41 <Russ> probably negatively biased
Apr 22 07:32:49 <Russ> like the t-shirt, I only provide negative feedback
Apr 22 07:33:28 <Russ> http://www.zazzle.com/i_only_give_negative_feedback_shirts-235418768503010114
Apr 22 07:33:35 <Turl>  /whois is a great tool to measure bias
Apr 22 07:33:51 <Russ> DevBot, have a cookie
Apr 22 07:33:52 <KotH> I need that one!
Apr 22 07:34:45 <KotH> Russ: though, it would have been better, if it would be an inverting amplifier :)
Apr 22 07:43:05 <panto> gm
Apr 22 07:55:41 <mickae1> hi, I've trouble with the beaglone cap for the rs485 connection
Apr 22 07:56:14 <mickae1> The connection is set to the UART 2 with the switch. ( rx and tx )
Apr 22 07:56:37 <mickae1> i correctly set the pin mux to enable the uart 2:  echo 21 > /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux/spi0_sclk echo 1 > /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux/spi0_d0   In my code, i'm able to open the connection, but not to initiate it :
Apr 22 07:57:31 <mickae1> ok
Apr 22 07:57:35 <mickae1> ==> http://pastebin.com/65H0y2Yh
Apr 22 07:57:37 <mickae1> better ^^
Apr 22 09:45:52 <hustcalm> hi all, I have set up a repository on github related to "Bonescript web pages with live-running examples and documentation", the link is Bonescript web pages with live-running examples and documentation
Apr 22 09:46:16 <hustcalm> sorry,:-( the link is https://github.com/hustcalm/bonescript-live-demo
Apr 22 09:46:52 <hustcalm> your suggestions are welcome:-)
Apr 22 09:48:20 <teralaser> okay :D
Apr 22 09:49:16 <keesj> hustcalm: so it's just a wiki page?
Apr 22 10:02:10 <hustcalm> currently it is, I will add demos later:-)
Apr 22 10:02:32 <hustcalm> You can see the post on our google groups, I have my plan there:-)
Apr 22 10:18:58 <koen> _roger_: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/wireshark_1.8.6.bb
Apr 22 10:19:08 <koen> _roger_: it builds after a bit of encouragement
Apr 22 10:19:36 <mru> use that on an optical link and you'll have sharks with lasers
Apr 22 10:19:45 <crashovrd> ...
Apr 22 10:24:11 <hustcalm> anyone who can send me a beaglebone, I will be very glad, haha:-)
Apr 22 10:24:43 <mru> any of the usual vendors will be happy to send you one
Apr 22 10:24:56 <mru> in exchange for a little cash
Apr 22 10:25:04 <mru> seems like a fair trade to me
Apr 22 10:28:26 <hustcalm> haha, fair enough:-)
Apr 22 10:28:44 <hustcalm> got a run to supper,  talk 2 u later
Apr 22 10:48:06 <jackmitchell> koen: after pulling the latest 3.8 kernel today, I can't boot any more (bbwhite), log: http://pastebin.com/2f5Hk1pW
Apr 22 10:49:44 <jackmitchell> my uImage is in the same place as always, /boot/uImage on the ext4 partition
Apr 22 10:49:58 <jackmitchell> have you seen issues like this recently?
Apr 22 11:10:24 <koen> jackmitchell: haven't tried white yet
Apr 22 11:10:37 <koen> jackmitchell: can you try backing out the hdmi patches?
Apr 22 11:10:53 <mru> now that black is out, expect support for white to rot
Apr 22 11:12:21 <koen> unlikely
Apr 22 11:12:54 <koen> unless someone ships me more blacks :)
Apr 22 11:12:59 <av500> there never was a white one
Apr 22 11:13:09 <mru> koen: speaking from past experience
Apr 22 11:13:24 <av500> like there never was an omap3530
Apr 22 11:13:52 <mru> precisely
Apr 22 11:14:30 <mru> and now my evil overlords have me running spec2k6...
Apr 22 11:14:39 <mru> I think they're trying to bore me to death
Apr 22 11:14:42 <av500> with gcc48?
Apr 22 11:14:57 <mru> who the fuck cares?
Apr 22 11:15:08 <mru> it's not like the results actually mean anything
Apr 22 11:17:12 <KotH> but you can make nifty powerpoint presentations out of those numbers
Apr 22 11:17:55 <KotH> and people will claim that configuration x is faster than anything else, even though it was faster only in one of the benchmarks...slightly
Apr 22 11:18:00 <mrpackethead> black is out?
Apr 22 11:18:08 <KotH> black is the new black
Apr 22 11:19:06 <mrpackethead> can we run a decent supported Distro
Apr 22 11:19:19 <mrpackethead> or are we limited still to Angstron.. ( decent but not supproted )
Apr 22 11:19:21 <ogra_> blackout !
Apr 22 11:19:27 <av500> mrpackethead: I run buildroot
Apr 22 11:19:34 <mrpackethead> or Ubuntu ( suppoted, but not decent (
Apr 22 11:20:11 <mrpackethead> is there a price on them
Apr 22 11:20:26 <crashovrd> yeah, it would be nice to have a 'real' distro for it
Apr 22 11:20:31 <mrpackethead> $45!!!
Apr 22 11:20:48 <koen> jackmitchell: if it's the hdmi patches, can you send a mail to beagle-alpha about that?
Apr 22 11:20:58 <crashovrd> since they said "Raspberry Pi" every other sentence in the promo, maybe they could also adopt something like debian
Apr 22 11:21:02 <jackmitchell> koen: I've just looked into it and I think it;'s something else
Apr 22 11:21:31 <crashovrd> and by 'they' i mean some community
Apr 22 11:21:37 <mrpackethead> its a pi-killer
Apr 22 11:21:52 <jackmitchell> koen: the bootlog mentions am335x-bone.dtb, but I have a devicetree file named something else, it hasn't been hardcoded in u-boot somewhere has it?
Apr 22 11:22:21 <jackmitchell> hmmm
Apr 22 11:22:21 <crashovrd> will be touch to be a pi killer
Apr 22 11:22:22 <jackmitchell> [12:22:00 jack boot]$ grep -r am335x-bone.dtb
Apr 22 11:22:22 <jackmitchell> Binary file u-boot.img matches
Apr 22 11:22:24 <av500> mrpackethead: no
Apr 22 11:22:24 <mru> mrpackethead: how do you kill something that isn't alive?
Apr 22 11:22:29 <crashovrd> pi really had their act together
Apr 22 11:22:33 <av500> it cannot be a pi killer
Apr 22 11:22:38 <av500> because it does not run XBMC
Apr 22 11:22:39 <mru> pi had their hype together
Apr 22 11:22:39 <crashovrd> my last beagle experience was that everything mostly worked
Apr 22 11:22:43 <crashovrd> or worked a lot,
Apr 22 11:22:48 <av500> so all the UK kids cannot watch their torrents like on PI
Apr 22 11:22:49 <mrpackethead> thats crazy cheap!
Apr 22 11:22:49 <crashovrd> but didnt all work all together
Apr 22 11:22:54 <crashovrd> but im the odd case
Apr 22 11:22:57 <crashovrd> since i use the graphics
Apr 22 11:23:12 <crashovrd> raspberry pi has AAA graphics support
Apr 22 11:23:19 <crashovrd> it all works together VERY well
Apr 22 11:23:21 <koen> jackmitchell: there's a 'findftd' method
Apr 22 11:23:23 <crashovrd> stable
Apr 22 11:23:27 <mrpackethead> 7 week delviery!
Apr 22 11:23:30 <mrpackethead> grrr!
Apr 22 11:23:48 <mrpackethead> give you dont' need an SD-Card
Apr 22 11:23:54 <mrpackethead> its probalby cheaper than a PI
Apr 22 11:24:34 <crashovrd> which does bring me back to my question: does beaglebone black have openmax 720p h264 support?
Apr 22 11:24:56 <av500> no
Apr 22 11:25:01 <jackmitchell> crashovrd: hahahha, raspberry pi stable? I can't even get crackle-less audio out of the analog port, IMO that's anything but stable and well supported
Apr 22 11:25:08 <Jacmet> crashovrd: am335x doesn't have any video hw acceleration
Apr 22 11:25:12 <av500> a stable crackly is stable
Apr 22 11:25:17 <av500> crackle
Apr 22 11:25:19 <mru> jackmitchell: _we_ all know rpi is a joke
Apr 22 11:25:46 <av500> vinyl lovers love stable crackle
Apr 22 11:25:52 <crashovrd> thx 4 the answer
Apr 22 11:25:59 <crashovrd> clears that right up
Apr 22 11:26:46 <av500> maybe TI put a videio HW inside, but does not tell us
Apr 22 11:26:51 <av500> like for the PRU
Apr 22 11:27:12 <av500> I looked at the die shot and the shadows looked wrong and then my computer rebooted
Apr 22 11:27:33 <Jacmet> av500: ;)
Apr 22 11:30:11 <av500> jkridner: ping
Apr 22 11:32:21 <mru> crashovrd: does it have to be openmax?
Apr 22 11:32:30 <av500> closemin
Apr 22 11:32:38 <av500> +d
Apr 22 11:32:40 <mru> software decode might be fast enough
Apr 22 11:32:52 <av500> 8MB/s HP with CABAC
Apr 22 11:33:01 <panto> I think low res should play fine
Apr 22 11:33:06 <av500> and 16 gaziliion reference frames
Apr 22 11:33:09 <mru> he only said 720p
Apr 22 11:33:18 <av500> 720 pixels
Apr 22 11:33:21 <av500> that is low res
Apr 22 11:33:24 <mru> depending on the coding, that might work
Apr 22 11:33:29 <panto> yeah
Apr 22 11:33:36 <av500> mru: or on the amounf of RAM ;)
Apr 22 11:33:38 <panto> perhaps things could get accelerated in the future
Apr 22 11:33:47 <av500> use the PRU, Luke
Apr 22 11:33:52 <panto> there's a gpu+pru
Apr 22 11:34:01 <mru> gppru
Apr 22 11:34:13 <av500> cpu,gpu,pru,usb
Apr 22 11:34:25 <av500> and mmu
Apr 22 11:34:30 <mru> 
ACTION 

Apr 22 11:34:35 <av500> that too
Apr 22 11:34:53 <panto> +1 troll points
Apr 22 11:38:11 <sdkie> what is to be fixed when we have to run ubuntu on beagle bone ?
Apr 22 11:38:23 <mru> ubuntu
Apr 22 11:38:44 <sdkie> because afaik if kernel is compatible user space should not give any issue
Apr 22 11:39:02 <mru> so try and find out
Apr 22 11:39:52 <av500> sdkie: most what needs to be fixed is that your dont run a desktop distro on such HW
Apr 22 11:41:48 <sdkie> @av500 - okay .
Apr 22 11:44:10 <ogra_> you could run ubuntu touch without the UI (lacking a gpu) ... AKA headless android :P
Apr 22 11:44:32 <mru> lacking gpu?
Apr 22 11:44:51 <ogra_> didnt you just say above there is no gpu ?
Apr 22 11:44:56 <mru> I did not
Apr 22 11:45:03 <ogra_> someone did
Apr 22 11:45:30 <mru> http://beagleboard.org/black says there is one
Apr 22 11:45:57 <av500> [13:25:08] <Jacmet> crashovrd: am335x doesn't have any video hw acceleration
Apr 22 11:46:12 <av500> maybe HWU
Apr 22 11:46:23 <ogra_> ah
Apr 22 11:46:36 <mru> there's no video decode accelerator
Apr 22 11:46:36 <ogra_> well, yeah, then it just needs Mir support ... easy :P
Apr 22 11:46:45 <mru> and no yuv overlay
Apr 22 11:48:53 <av500> GPU does that
Apr 22 11:49:00 <mru> not overlay
Apr 22 11:49:08 <av500> sure
Apr 22 11:49:09 <mru> so it wastes memory bandwidth
Apr 22 11:49:12 <av500> yes
Apr 22 11:49:41 <av500> hopefully am335x is not as bandwitth retarded as OMAP3
Apr 22 11:50:05 <mru> when was a TI chip not bandwidth retarded?
Apr 22 11:50:32 <av500> omap4 was only for the CPU
Apr 22 11:51:05 <av500> roger _roger_
Apr 22 11:52:16 <crashovrd> yeah, its gotta be openmax cuz its a codebase that operates on other platforms
Apr 22 11:52:23 <crashovrd> was looking to bring to beagle once again
Apr 22 11:52:30 <mru> lol
Apr 22 11:53:29 <crashovrd> hopefully i can maybe get divx 720p working
Apr 22 11:53:35 <crashovrd> but then its a matter of licenses
Apr 22 11:53:38 <crashovrd> :(
Apr 22 11:53:41 <mru> divx lol
Apr 22 11:54:08 <crashovrd> its 2013, i was hoping for something better than b&w ntsc
Apr 22 11:54:08 <av500> licenses?
Apr 22 11:54:09 <crashovrd> :P
Apr 22 11:54:15 <av500> what licences?
Apr 22 11:54:45 <crashovrd> we have that whole software patent thingy happening here in USA
Apr 22 11:54:56 <av500> yes
Apr 22 11:55:20 <mru> use vp8 and pray nokia doesn't notice
Apr 22 11:55:25 <crashovrd> :D
Apr 22 11:55:38 <av500> crashovrd: btw, it's not about SW patents
Apr 22 11:55:44 <crashovrd> i can put in the EULA that anyone associated with nokia is forbidden to use it
Apr 22 11:55:46 <crashovrd> that should fix it
Apr 22 11:56:01 <av500> mpeg patents apply to HW as well
Apr 22 11:56:22 <crashovrd> not if there is no hardware for it!
Apr 22 11:56:29 <crashovrd> which is what i am told is the case
Apr 22 11:56:30 <crashovrd> ;)
Apr 22 11:56:40 <av500> you still have to pay!
Apr 22 11:57:32 <crashovrd> well, it looks like i will be showing a jpeg slideshow instead if there is no video hw accel
Apr 22 11:58:10 <av500> well, depending on your use case you could use mpeg4
Apr 22 11:58:10 <mru> there's probably a patent on slideshows
Apr 22 11:58:12 <av500> or mjpeg
Apr 22 11:58:27 <mru> gif
Apr 22 11:58:43 <av500> animtated
Apr 22 11:58:48 <av500> +spellink
Apr 22 11:58:57 <mru> imitated
Apr 22 11:59:16 <av500> irritated
Apr 22 11:59:17 <crashovrd> thats for the reminder about vp8. i forgot all about that.
Apr 22 11:59:26 <crashovrd> thanks
Apr 22 11:59:58 <crashovrd> i could use vp8 and go into hiding like the bitcoin creator
Apr 22 12:00:00 <jackmitchell> koen: GCC 4.8 was to blame, re-compiled with previous 4.7.2 build and hey presto
Apr 22 12:11:02 <mru> jackmitchell: what did that fix?
Apr 22 12:11:14 <jackmitchell> mru: the kernel not booting
Apr 22 12:12:05 <mru> that's disconcerting
Apr 22 12:12:48 <jackmitchell> yeah, one would think these things get thoroughly tested, it's not like ARM is a niche platform anymore
Apr 22 12:14:51 <mru> jackmitchell: how did it fail?
Apr 22 12:14:58 <av500> jackmitchell: gcc devs to test ARM booting?
Apr 22 12:15:30 <mru> kernel devs to test gcc?
Apr 22 12:15:39 <jackmitchell> Just stopped at Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel
Apr 22 12:15:51 <mru> that's when you turn on earlyprintk
Apr 22 12:15:54 <crashovrd> good enough for me! ship it
Apr 22 12:16:09 <jackmitchell> did a make clean, switched to gcc 4.7.2 compiled, copied, booted
Apr 22 12:16:14 <mru> which kernel?
Apr 22 12:16:24 <jackmitchell> CCO's 3.8
Apr 22 12:16:47 <av500> ah, evil vendor kernel
Apr 22 12:17:05 <mru> still, it should have the unaligned access fix
Apr 22 12:17:07 <jackmitchell> what lead me to it is that I went backwards to an earlier tested commit and that also failed, the only vector changed was my toochain
Apr 22 12:17:13 <mru> that finally got past rmk after all these years
Apr 22 12:44:49 <av500> woglinde: http://hannesrichert.de/?p=805
Apr 22 13:14:17 <wmat_> so am I to understand that the price of the BBB is public now?
Apr 22 13:14:43 <koen> wmat: has been for months
Apr 22 13:15:03 <koen> wmat: pretty much every disty screwed up and published the buy page at some point
Apr 22 13:15:36 <wmat> really? I hadn't noticed.
Apr 22 13:15:48 <koen> digikey had the page up for weeks, we had them take it down
Apr 22 13:16:03 <koen> 2 days later mouser enables their page
Apr 22 13:16:17 <koen> we have them take it down, someone else screws up
Apr 22 13:16:18 <ogra_> chasing rabbits :)
Apr 22 13:16:44 <wmat> so $45 right?
Apr 22 13:16:53 <ogra_> (sounds appropriate for a beagle :) )
Apr 22 13:18:02 <wmat> is TI not including a uSD card? It's not listed as included on the TI page.
Apr 22 13:18:33 <koen> no sd card
Apr 22 13:18:37 <koen> eMMC with OS
Apr 22 13:18:47 <wmat> oh right, of course
Apr 22 13:19:47 <jackmitchell> koen: a (pre-emptive) question, will there be a way to flash the eMMC through the expansion headers?
Apr 22 13:20:13 <jackmitchell> i.e. no serial/ftdi converter, uSD card
Apr 22 13:20:45 <jackmitchell> through u-boot over ethernet?
Apr 22 13:22:08 <Tartarus> jackmitchell: no need for headers even
Apr 22 13:22:11 <Tartarus> USB works
Apr 22 13:22:24 <Tartarus> am335x_evm_usbspl u-boot build, custom bootcommand
Apr 22 13:22:44 <jackmitchell> Tartarus: ah, no USB expansion header either
Apr 22 13:23:04 <mru> usb works? that'd be a world first...
Apr 22 13:23:42 <jackmitchell> just ethenet port, P8 and P9
Apr 22 13:28:13 <Tartarus> mru, well..
Apr 22 13:28:23 <Tartarus> jackmitchell: um, usb is there
Apr 22 13:28:50 <jackmitchell> Tartarus: Indeed, but I'm going to be investigating a custom board, which would need it removed
Apr 22 13:29:19 <Tartarus> OK
Apr 22 13:29:37 <Tartarus> Well, cpsw eth is also supported, if you follow the design things related to the published errata
Apr 22 13:29:56 <jackmitchell> yeah, that is going to be my first point of research
Apr 22 13:30:32 <jackmitchell> I might also be able to get away with the usb connector, I need it to sit as flush as possible with another board
Apr 22 13:30:35 <Jacmet> jackmitchell: if I remember right, cpsw boot is not in the default boot order used on the bone
Apr 22 13:31:48 <Tartarus> Jacmet: correct, but if he's doing a custom board re-doing sysboot pins isn't much work ;)
Apr 22 13:31:56 <Tartarus> (usb boot is, btw)
Apr 22 13:32:04 <koen> I never tried the ROM tftp code
Apr 22 13:32:06 <Jacmet> Tartarus: true
Apr 22 13:32:18 <Tartarus> koen: you never did usb boot?
Apr 22 13:32:19 <jackmitchell> Tartarus: it's not going to be a custom board, (hopefully) just a stripped down black
Apr 22 13:32:29 <Jacmet> koen: I haven't tried it on am335x either, but on other ti devices it works
Apr 22 13:32:56 <koen> Tartarus: nope
Apr 22 13:32:59 <Tartarus> Jacmet: am335x is different from the previous boards that did network booting
Apr 22 13:33:08 <koen> Tartarus: and I meant ethernet tftp
Apr 22 13:33:18 <Jacmet> Tartarus: in what sense?
Apr 22 13:33:19 <Tartarus> I've done cpsw and usb on the evm which can support both, and usb on the bbb
Apr 22 13:33:37 <Jacmet> Tartarus: I would imagine that the rom code would be quite similar to ti814x?
Apr 22 13:33:43 <Tartarus> Jacmet: in the sense of I'd swear the boards I knew of didn't quite follow standards
Apr 22 13:33:45 <Tartarus> Ah
Apr 22 13:33:49 <Tartarus> 814x, yes, should be the same
Apr 22 13:33:52 <Tartarus> was thinking omap3
Apr 22 13:34:00 <Tartarus> haven't personally tried 814x
Apr 22 13:34:19 <Jacmet> Tartarus: me neither. I'm using it on ti816x here at the moment without problems
Apr 22 13:34:34 <Tartarus> Jacmet: bootp+tftp ?
Apr 22 13:34:55 <Tartarus> If so, shouldn't be much work to enable the SPL code there :)
Apr 22 13:35:11 <Jacmet> Tartarus: yes
Apr 22 13:35:39 <Jacmet> Tartarus: indeed. I need to find some free cycles and followup on Antoine
Apr 22 13:35:49 <jackmitchell> is there an easy way of capturing the serial output from a ttyUSB device, systemd is (maybe) segfaulting and the screen session closes automatically before I can see what it was doing
Apr 22 13:35:50 <Jacmet> Tartarus: .. Antoine's ti816x series
Apr 22 13:35:53 <Tartarus> right
Apr 22 13:36:09 <bradfa> jackmitchell, use another terminal program?
Apr 22 13:36:20 <bradfa> logic analyzer?
Apr 22 13:36:22 <jackmitchell> I think it may be related to koen favourite topic, post-installs
Apr 22 13:36:26 <Jacmet> Tartarus: I think the main issue pending is the ddr init. Anything else stopping your from merging it/
Apr 22 13:36:26 <Tartarus> if it's not interactive, you can use cat :)
Apr 22 13:36:38 <Tartarus> or turn on logging in screen, jackmitchell
Apr 22 13:36:55 <jackmitchell> Tartarus: I looked and coulnd't see anythign related to screen logging, will try harder
Apr 22 13:37:09 <Tartarus> Jacmet: Lots of little things needed changing I think
Apr 22 13:37:15 <koen> jackmitchell: try grabserial, does timestamping as well
Apr 22 13:37:15 <Tartarus> jackmitchell: it's..
Apr 22 13:37:36 <Tartarus> jackmitchell: ^a-H
Apr 22 13:37:37 <jackmitchell> -L ?
Apr 22 13:37:56 <Tartarus> (shift-h, lowercase h is just a screenshot, H is log output)
Apr 22 13:38:01 <jackmitchell> Tartarus: got it, I think I had misread the command to mean something different
Apr 22 13:38:14 <Jacmet> Tartarus: it would be good if you could reply to his series with those issues so he (or I) can work on them
Apr 22 13:38:22 <Tartarus> Jacmet: I think I did..
Apr 22 13:38:27 <jackmitchell> yuck: [    3.780992] systemd[1]: Mounted Huge Pages File System.
Apr 22 13:38:32 <jackmitchell> _crash_
Apr 22 13:38:50 <mru> do yourself a favour and ditch systemd
Apr 22 13:39:03 <ogra_> ++
Apr 22 13:39:17 <Jacmet> Tartarus: hmm, I think I only recall a short note about magic numbers on his v3 series
Apr 22 13:39:41 <Jacmet> Tartarus: but perhaps I missed it
Apr 22 13:39:42 <bradfa> mru, systemd never fails
Apr 22 13:39:51 <Tartarus> Jacmet: maybe it was the other reviewer (I need coffee...) that pointed out all the unused defines, etc
Apr 22 13:40:00 <mru> bradfa: of course not, they just ban anyone who complains
Apr 22 13:40:06 <Tartarus> and in general it feels hard like a graft of the vendor tree into mainline
Apr 22 13:40:12 <bradfa> oh, so systemd == rasppi?
Apr 22 13:40:14 <Tartarus> while 814x and am335x were a gentle re-re-rewrite
Apr 22 13:40:16 <Jacmet> Tartarus: yeah :/
Apr 22 13:40:54 <Jacmet> Tartarus: I think most of it is basically ok, except for all the ddr init in the evm board code
Apr 22 13:40:56 * bradfa goes back to msp430
Apr 22 13:41:52 * mru watches spec2k6 not make much progress
Apr 22 13:42:04 <mru> does anyone know of any job openings watching paint dry?
Apr 22 13:42:13 <mru> I think it might be an improvement over this
Apr 22 13:43:17 <av500> mru: teal *and* orange paint?
Apr 22 13:43:56 <mru> do I look like I give a damn?
Apr 22 13:46:00 <Tartarus> yes?
Apr 22 13:46:06 <KotH> bradfa: oh.. you too?
Apr 22 13:46:25 <bradfa> KotH, yes
Apr 22 13:46:29 <bradfa> CC430 variant
Apr 22 13:46:36 <KotH> ah.. going wireless
Apr 22 13:46:39 * bradfa loves chipcon
Apr 22 13:47:00 * bradfa loves msp430 arch, especially low power modes
Apr 22 13:47:13 <mru> off mode is the best mode
Apr 22 13:47:22 * KotH renames the channel to #msp430
Apr 22 13:47:59 <KotH> hmm... it's nearly 16:00
Apr 22 13:48:08 <KotH> and i have not written one line of code yet ^^'
Apr 22 13:48:16 <mru> makes two of us
Apr 22 13:48:27 <KotH> were you supposed to write code?
Apr 22 13:48:32 <mru> I haven't written any code in weeks
Apr 22 13:48:37 <KotH> :-(
Apr 22 13:48:42 <bradfa> mru, paint drying now takes code? what kind of paint do you buy?
Apr 22 13:48:58 <mru> bradfa: I said I hadn't written any
Apr 22 13:49:01 <KotH> mru: actually, you could have my job. i'd like to give up on software and do hardware only
Apr 22 13:49:15 <bradfa> mru, fair enough :)
Apr 22 13:49:24 <mru> an untrained monkey could do my job
Apr 22 13:49:29 <bradfa> best register bit is CPUOFF
Apr 22 13:49:37 <bradfa> we use it liberally
Apr 22 13:49:47 <bradfa> stupid tiny batteries
Apr 22 13:50:18 <bradfa> most fun we've had last week was that CPUOFF gets set on RETI from interrupt and the stack pointer is then wrong if you break the debugger...
Apr 22 13:50:20 <jackmitchell> systemd debugging is so helpful, google: how to debug systemd, answer: use systemctl and journalctl to view logs, Me: facepalm
Apr 22 13:50:21 <KotH> bradfa: SR48?
Apr 22 13:50:46 <bradfa> KotH, some kind of pouch thing, not sure of which one is the favorite today
Apr 22 13:50:56 <bradfa> was big coin cells
Apr 22 13:51:01 <bradfa> they don't work great at -40 C
Apr 22 13:51:12 <mru> nothing does
Apr 22 13:51:12 <KotH> ah.. SR48 are the small ones... 8x5mm
Apr 22 13:51:14 <ogra_> who does
Apr 22 13:51:30 <KotH> uhmm.. we have a project thar has to run at -40°C
Apr 22 13:51:34 <KotH> and does :)
Apr 22 13:51:41 <bradfa> we have 20 mA pulses
Apr 22 13:51:49 <bradfa> coin cells don't like that at -40 C
Apr 22 13:51:52 <koen> jackmitchell: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging ?
Apr 22 13:52:21 <bradfa> especially when caps are expensive
Apr 22 13:52:26 <KotH> bradfa: we had the same... but we werent restricted by coin cells :)
Apr 22 13:52:41 <KotH> bradfa: a big bad ass LiSOCl2 battery :)
Apr 22 13:52:46 * mru has worked on battery-powered things with kA pulses
Apr 22 13:52:58 * panto boggles
Apr 22 13:52:59 <bradfa> KotH, I think that's the chem we use now
Apr 22 13:53:08 <jackmitchell> koen: ah hah that would have been a useful page for google to throw at me
Apr 22 13:53:13 <mru> well, I never measured the current
Apr 22 13:53:30 <bradfa> KotH, something like a 1 Ah pouch
Apr 22 13:53:33 <bradfa> has to last 5 to 10 years
Apr 22 13:53:38 <bradfa> and run at -40
Apr 22 13:53:42 <bradfa> not fail at -50
Apr 22 13:53:47 <bradfa> or something crazy like that
Apr 22 13:53:55 <bradfa> mech guys and pcb engineer love the specs
Apr 22 13:54:09 <bradfa> me and one other engineer chase micro amps
Apr 22 13:54:11 <mru> but a few kJ discharged over a few ms at 1kV...
Apr 22 13:54:16 <KotH> bradfa: hehe
Apr 22 13:54:34 <bradfa> mru, I don't think we meausure anything with SI prefix k :)
Apr 22 13:54:38 <KotH> bradfa: we had only 2y of runtime... and failure was an option as long it recovered
Apr 22 13:54:43 <bradfa> except maybe flash memory
Apr 22 13:54:44 <KotH> bradfa: so a simple D cell was enough
Apr 22 13:55:15 * bradfa wants 6lowpan but that's not going to happen "soon"
Apr 22 13:55:30 <bradfa> but now I digress
Apr 22 13:55:38 <KotH> bribe allan_o with chocolate
Apr 22 13:55:39 * bradfa gets back to fixing timer code
Apr 22 13:55:43 <KotH> or guns
Apr 22 13:56:02 <mru> chocolate guns
Apr 22 13:57:10 * KotH has recently seen a pic of a vodka gun
Apr 22 13:59:21 <panto> hi alan_o
Apr 22 14:00:20 <KotH> hey alan_o
Apr 22 14:00:34 <KotH> alan_o: bradfa wants to talk to you about some imediate payment for services :)
Apr 22 14:00:34 <crashovrd> hi alan_o
Apr 22 14:00:42 * crashovrd succumbs to peer pressure
Apr 22 14:00:49 <bradfa> ha :)
Apr 22 14:00:51 <ynezz> oh, black is in stock at farnell :p
Apr 22 14:00:52 <teralaser> Just got an email - the new beagleboard is out, priced at 45$ !
Apr 22 14:01:03 <bradfa> ynezz, shipping when?
Apr 22 14:01:04 * ynezz shopping
Apr 22 14:01:13 <bradfa> cco says they won't sell to me till wednesday
Apr 22 14:02:01 <ynezz> don't know, notification email just arrived
Apr 22 14:02:21 <ynezz> "The Next-Gen BeagleBone Inventory has arrived!"
Apr 22 14:02:27 <bradfa> ah, k
Apr 22 14:02:46 <ynezz> means "expected delivery" :)
Apr 22 14:02:49 <alan_o> hi panto KotH crashovrd :)
Apr 22 14:03:00 <teralaser> hm, what is the difference from the "old" one ?
Apr 22 14:03:01 <ynezz> how I hate those marketing bears
Apr 22 14:03:09 <bradfa> teralaser, it's a different color now
Apr 22 14:03:14 <thurbad> lol'
Apr 22 14:03:14 <mru> teralaser: faster, blacker, cheaper
Apr 22 14:03:15 <teralaser> haha
Apr 22 14:03:17 <ynezz> for me it's eMMC
Apr 22 14:03:39 <teralaser> so an eMMC 4.5 directly on board ?
Apr 22 14:03:53 <ynezz> do you've have internet?
Apr 22 14:03:54 <bradfa> teralaser, eMMC floats on thin air, 1 mm above board
Apr 22 14:03:58 <bradfa> magic
Apr 22 14:04:00 <thurbad> is the hdmi working?
Apr 22 14:04:00 <teralaser> Uuuuh! :P
Apr 22 14:04:14 <ynezz> thurbad: just audio, no picture
Apr 22 14:04:28 <ynezz> thurbad: you have to buy a separate licence for video
Apr 22 14:04:32 <thurbad> hmm I thought it was the other way round...
Apr 22 14:04:43 <panto> err, both are supposed to work
Apr 22 14:05:05 <panto> there's some issues to iron it, but nothing really major
Apr 22 14:05:09 <panto> *iron out
Apr 22 14:05:14 <ynezz> that price is crazy
Apr 22 14:05:21 <ynezz> all hail rpi! :p
Apr 22 14:05:39 <thurbad> rpi doesn't even factor in for me :P
Apr 22 14:05:54 <thurbad> but if it drives price I'm happy
Apr 22 14:05:55 <crashovrd> it set the cost low bar
Apr 22 14:06:11 <ynezz> I fear, that it could break in transit for such price :p
Apr 22 14:06:13 <beaglefan> whats the price of new beeaglebone black?
Apr 22 14:06:28 <ynezz> 904CZK
Apr 22 14:06:30 <jackmitchell> £27.87
Apr 22 14:06:48 * teralaser is designing a beagleboard "knock-off" , now I have Xerox new stuff, damnit!
Apr 22 14:06:50 <teralaser> :P~
Apr 22 14:07:00 * bradfa went to rpi.edu, gets all confused when people call a silly dev kit my school name
Apr 22 14:07:12 <teralaser> uh 4Gb DDR3 ! damn
Apr 22 14:08:21 <av500> Gb not GB
Apr 22 14:08:25 <KotH> bradfa: what kind of chemistry does your pouch cell use?
Apr 22 14:08:34 <KotH> bradfa: for -50°C you need some badass stuff
Apr 22 14:09:19 <bradfa> KotH, I don't think it runs at -50, it just doesn't fail
Apr 22 14:09:23 <ynezz> I wonder where on earth is -50
Apr 22 14:09:27 <bradfa> canada
Apr 22 14:09:39 <bradfa> or our chamber
Apr 22 14:10:02 <ynezz> how does a beer looks like in -50?
Apr 22 14:10:02 <bradfa> and in customer's head
Apr 22 14:10:13 <bradfa> ynezz, dunno, will find out!
Apr 22 14:10:24 * bradfa sees beer in company fridge, temp chamber in lab...
Apr 22 14:10:43 * bradfa imagines glass all over...
Apr 22 14:11:11 <gzon> Is there no audio out on the new beaglebone ?
Apr 22 14:11:42 <mru> no
Apr 22 14:12:24 <gzon> Argh... Wonder why :S Not on the GPIO pins either ?
Apr 22 14:12:42 <mru> no, there isn't no audio
Apr 22 14:13:02 <mru> or in other words, there is audio
Apr 22 14:13:20 <gzon> Ok - just in HDMI ?
Apr 22 14:13:57 <koen> mcasp is exposed on the headers
Apr 22 14:14:00 <koen> and there's usb
Apr 22 14:14:02 <koen> and PWM
Apr 22 14:14:19 <mru> can we please never mention usb when asked if foo is available on the board?
Apr 22 14:14:21 <koen> some of the inductors might make some noise as well
Apr 22 14:15:00 <fangfufu> is there an enclosure for the latest beaglebone black?
Apr 22 14:15:07 <gzon> :) Agree - usb is no soundcard. PWM... not so much either... So - what is the mcasp ?
Apr 22 14:15:38 <panto> gzon, something that can transport I2S to connect a codec
Apr 22 14:15:52 <dm8tbr> I'd just use one of the previous beaglebone models and add the openings and 3d-print it
Apr 22 14:15:58 <mru> fangfufu: mine came in an antistatic bag
Apr 22 14:16:01 <dm8tbr> but maybe koen has done that already
Apr 22 14:16:05 <mru> that's an enclosure of sorts
Apr 22 14:16:10 * dm8tbr should order his
Apr 22 14:16:20 <fangfufu> mru, there loads of raspberry pi enclosure
Apr 22 14:16:33 <fangfufu> i wonder if anyone in this channel is going to start making one
Apr 22 14:16:42 <fangfufu> or if there is some kind of 3d printed thingy
Apr 22 14:16:52 <mru> those who can, code -- those who can't, build cases
Apr 22 14:16:55 <keesj> what will be the best vendor for the BBB in the Netherlands?
Apr 22 14:17:23 <fangfufu> i want a home server. i think i will just use a beaglebone black. and no, i can't code.
Apr 22 14:17:38 <keesj> (http://www.newark.com/jsp/bespoke/bespoke7.jsp?bespokepage=newark/en_US/landing/beaglebone/beaglebone.jsp&CMP=EMC-22606662http://www.newark.com/jsp/bespoke/bespoke7.jsp?bespokepage=newark/en_US/landing/beaglebone/beaglebone.jsp&CMP=EMC-2260666 45 dollar not bad at all
Apr 22 14:17:43 <ynezz> keesj: blackseed.com
Apr 22 14:17:43 <fangfufu> either way beaglebone black is better than raspberry pi, cheaper, and more powerful.
Apr 22 14:17:53 * alan_o wonders how much carbon will be released because of the Google Earth Day doodle which maxes the CPU as soon as you load the site.
Apr 22 14:19:00 <fangfufu> in the UK, raspberry pi = £28.07, beaglebone black = £27.87 , that's from element 14
Apr 22 14:19:14 <gzon> Everything is better with the beagle - but... I just cant imagine why on earth they did not put a soundcard in there as well... Then it would be as complete AND MORE than the RasPi...
Apr 22 14:19:26 <ynezz> lol
Apr 22 14:19:34 <ynezz> a miss 220V relay
Apr 22 14:19:42 <ynezz> s/a/I/
Apr 22 14:26:03 <fangfufu> what's the difference between beaglebone and beaglebone black? in terms of connectors?
Apr 22 14:26:36 <koen> pmic header is gone
Apr 22 14:26:41 <koen> hdmi connector added
Apr 22 14:26:48 <koen> ftdi header added
Apr 22 14:27:33 <fangfufu> http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone
Apr 22 14:27:41 <fangfufu> koen, the old one has HDMI too?
Apr 22 14:28:28 <Tartarus> fangfufu: nope
Apr 22 14:28:59 <fangfufu> but it says on their website?
Apr 22 14:29:18 <Tartarus> via cape I guess
Apr 22 14:32:07 <teralaser> Well you can always buy the $199 TI TMDSSK3358 board :)
Apr 22 14:32:22 <fangfufu> i want it cheap, teralaser?
Apr 22 14:32:32 <fangfufu> the question mark was a typo.
Apr 22 14:32:54 <teralaser> If they included audio, you'd want even MOAR ! :P
Apr 22 14:33:03 <teralaser> like accelerometer :)
Apr 22 14:33:33 <KotH> and a gps
Apr 22 14:33:36 <KotH> and a laser driver
Apr 22 14:33:42 <KotH> and a umts modem
Apr 22 14:33:48 <teralaser> anyone knows why the 4.3" LCD cape uses 16 colors and not 24 ?
Apr 22 14:33:51 <KotH> and a coffee pot
Apr 22 14:33:59 <teralaser> wireless WAN !
Apr 22 14:34:24 <av500> teralaser: 16bit colors
Apr 22 14:34:39 <teralaser> yeah?
Apr 22 14:34:52 <KotH> teralaser: that's the reason
Apr 22 14:35:21 <teralaser> Well , 5 bit R ,  5 bit G, 5 bit B
Apr 22 14:35:39 <teralaser> well the controller seems fiddle-fuddle-gray scale its way to full color?
Apr 22 14:35:44 <teralaser> (on the LCD)
Apr 22 14:36:12 <teralaser> TI board seems to use 24bit
Apr 22 14:36:32 <teralaser> oh well. Not a big change, I'll just do like beagle and figure out later.
Apr 22 15:09:30 <jackmitchell> bah, re:systemd issues; my power supply was crapping out on me and causing the system to crash. I really need some more 5v adapters rather than USB wall warts
Apr 22 15:16:43 <ka6sox> morning ladies and trolls
Apr 22 15:18:20 <_troll_> morning ka6sox
Apr 22 15:18:39 <ka6sox> :)
Apr 22 15:24:18 <panto> hi ka6sox
Apr 22 15:24:36 * vvu greets everybody !
Apr 22 15:28:25 <emeb> greet all the bodies!
Apr 22 15:29:00 <mru> that's discrimination against the disembodied
Apr 22 15:29:21 <emeb> bah. what will they do in retaliation? haunt us?
Apr 22 15:29:43 <mru> are you sure you want to find out?
Apr 22 15:29:52 <emeb> you make a valid point.
Apr 22 15:30:00 <emeb> greet all the unbodies too!
Apr 22 15:33:43 <dm8tbr> unibodies?
Apr 22 15:36:07 <ogra_> is that what you get having unisex ?
Apr 22 15:39:27 <mru> unisex, is that newspeak for masturbation?
Apr 22 15:41:02 <thurbad> unisex = universal... either gender can use it
Apr 22 15:41:41 <mru> that neither contradicts nor affirms the conjecture
Apr 22 15:41:42 <ka6sox> morning panto
Apr 22 15:42:13 <ka6sox> unbodies....corporeal beings?
Apr 22 15:45:53 <ka6sox> so is setting up, transferring 4kB, tearing down eDMA worth it?
Apr 22 15:46:19 <mru> do you need to do a full setup every time?
Apr 22 15:47:14 <ka6sox> everytime you need to transfer 4kB UP and a differnt 4kB down
Apr 22 15:47:27 <ka6sox> (input and output buffers)
Apr 22 15:48:00 <mru> yes, but if you can keep a context with the basic parameters filled in and just update the addresses, you save some overhead
Apr 22 15:48:33 <ka6sox> like a ring buffer and just reset the pointer?
Apr 22 15:48:51 <mru> doesn't need to a be a ring buffer, necessarily
Apr 22 15:49:28 <mru> an edma command has a quite a few parameters
Apr 22 15:49:59 <mru> but usually most of them remain unchanged from transfer to transfer
Apr 22 15:50:20 <mru> if you can reserve a channel, even better
Apr 22 15:50:28 <ka6sox> the PRUs data memory is 8kB and I'm thinking we need space to pack/unpack the bytes for xfer to the serializer.
Apr 22 15:51:31 <jj2baile> In terms of gsoc ideas: "Secondary Processor Support".  What does that entail specifically? Just like adding code to interface with the specified types of devices? It seems rather interesting, but also kind of vague;
Apr 22 15:51:52 <ka6sox> unless I just say screw it and make everything on an 8 bit boundary and pack the bytes into words.
Apr 22 15:54:00 <ka6sox> jj2baile, for example...the beaglebone has 2 devices called PRU's that are secondary processors...
Apr 22 15:54:24 * mru thought those where the prumary ones
Apr 22 15:54:46 <ka6sox> if you look further down the list of ideas there are some related specifically related to the Lowly PRU :)
Apr 22 15:55:41 <jj2baile> oh woah. I see. Just looking at the beaglebone black specs. I had only looked at the AM335x, and completely did not notice it also featured a cortex-m3, and other things
Apr 22 15:56:18 <mru> the m3 is a bit special
Apr 22 15:56:30 <jj2baile> Where could i find more information/documetnation on the PRUs featured?
Apr 22 15:56:42 <mru> rev c of the am335x trm
Apr 22 15:56:47 <jj2baile> Alright
Apr 22 15:57:04 <ka6sox> so things like the firmware loader and upstreaming patches to use the PRU into mainstream kernel would be examples.
Apr 22 15:57:06 <jj2baile> (so it is part of the AM335x SoC?)
Apr 22 15:57:12 <mru> yes
Apr 22 15:57:12 <ka6sox> it is.
Apr 22 15:57:24 <ka6sox> sorry...THEY are.
Apr 22 15:57:42 <jj2baile> well, yes. Alright.
Apr 22 15:59:11 <ka6sox> jj2baile, we were just discussing an application for the PRUs...
Apr 22 15:59:31 <ka6sox> a very High Speed JTAG/Debugger cape.
Apr 22 16:01:49 <kevin56> #beagle-gsoc
Apr 22 16:02:28 <stevenm> I need to ship a beaglebone from my US company to my India company.  With the EAR and ECCN of 5A002, do I need to do anything special when shipping?
Apr 22 16:03:09 <KotH> sign off your imortal soul and your first born
Apr 22 16:03:32 <KotH> oh.. sorry, your second born. you gave up on your first born when you entered the us
Apr 22 16:04:24 <stevenm> I was born in the US and only have one child...err had one child until now.
Apr 22 16:04:46 <ka6sox> stevenm, black or white one?
Apr 22 16:04:52 <stevenm> white
Apr 22 16:04:52 <mru> child?
Apr 22 16:05:26 <ka6sox> then its probably not a muntion...the DOC shouldn't put the handcuffs on you...
Apr 22 16:05:29 <mru> I thought we were civilised enough not to care about those things any more
Apr 22 16:06:13 <ka6sox> tell TI Marketing that mru :P
Apr 22 16:06:38 <ka6sox> would you prefer unzipped?
Apr 22 16:06:55 <panto> -EMINDBLEACH
Apr 22 16:07:31 <ka6sox> panto, some things can't be unseen.
Apr 22 16:07:49 <KotH> panto: http://mindbleach.org/
Apr 22 16:07:56 <stevenm> The invoice for the beaglebone specifically mentions the EAR and ECCN, which is why I'm having to deal with it.    IDA in India is out of stock.
Apr 22 16:08:14 <KotH> stevenm: look the numbers up
Apr 22 16:08:25 <KotH> stevenm: there is somewhere a list what you can export and what not
Apr 22 16:08:32 <mru> have you considered hiring a smuggler?
Apr 22 16:08:33 * KotH found it somewhen
Apr 22 16:08:46 <ka6sox> jj2baile, those are just 2 examples of things that are needed.
Apr 22 16:09:15 <mru> KotH: believe it or not, 'somewhen' is not a proper english word
Apr 22 16:09:22 <mru> although it does see some informal use
Apr 22 16:09:50 <KotH> mru: hmm.. ok... what would be the right word/phrase then?
Apr 22 16:09:52 * ka6sox tries to get his head wrapped around "somewhen"
Apr 22 16:09:58 <Jaguarete> i have a beagleboard-xm with ubuntu 12.01. I want to change the video output to s-video. I read that is necessary change the Uenv.txt file but i dont know the manner
Apr 22 16:09:59 <ka6sox> somewhere
Apr 22 16:10:10 <mru> the meaning is obvious
Apr 22 16:10:17 <KotH> mru: sometime?
Apr 22 16:10:26 <ka6sox> somewhere.
Apr 22 16:10:31 <KotH> that only?
Apr 22 16:10:52 <Jaguarete> help please
Apr 22 16:10:53 <ka6sox> I guess both are proper...space and time are interchangable.
Apr 22 16:10:56 * KotH feels like no inglish speaky speaky
Apr 22 16:11:03 <jj2baile> ka6sox: Alright, thanks :). Im probably going to read up some more on TIs PRUs cause i had not really come across them before. Well I have seen similar ideas, but i'm kind of curious about the risc cores themselves now. Oh, when i was asking about the gsoc idea, i was thinking more about how it applied with FPGAs though. Do any beagleboards come packaged with one on board, or is the perhaps a future possibility?
Apr 22 16:11:32 <Jaguarete> nobody for helpme/
Apr 22 16:11:34 <mru> KotH: sometime is a proper word but it doesn't mean quite the same thing
Apr 22 16:11:54 <ka6sox> jj2baile, several capes have FPGA's already on them
Apr 22 16:12:04 <ka6sox> and I've got 2 in development with CPLDs
Apr 22 16:12:17 <ka6sox> Jaguarete, patience grasshopper
Apr 22 16:12:18 <av500> Jaguarete: http://www.google.de/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=beagleboard+svideo+uenv.txt
Apr 22 16:12:42 <ka6sox> KotH, either one will work.
Apr 22 16:13:27 <ka6sox> jj2baile, the FPGA standardization is going to be tougher than working on the PRUs
Apr 22 16:13:27 <KotH> ka6sox: argh.. now i get it ^^'
Apr 22 16:13:36 <mru> KotH: would you really trust an american on matters of linguistics?
Apr 22 16:13:38 <KotH> ka6sox: i've definitly done too much running around in circles
Apr 22 16:14:06 <KotH> mru: not really... but as my english is currently on a sub-american level.. i can learn from them
Apr 22 16:14:08 <ka6sox> mru, I live with 2 Linguists....
Apr 22 16:14:54 <mru> cunning plan
Apr 22 16:15:39 <ka6sox> I expected that
Apr 22 16:16:17 <ka6sox> stevenm, most of us here are not Import/Export experts...
Apr 22 16:16:43 * mru has hand-carried beagles of various types across borders many times
Apr 22 16:17:31 <ka6sox> the breathing kind?
Apr 22 16:17:51 <mru> no, never those
Apr 22 16:18:03 <stevenm> ka6sox - understand, I was just hoping someone had been done the path before
Apr 22 16:18:12 <stevenm> done = down
Apr 22 16:18:26 <mranostay> morning!
Apr 22 16:18:34 <KotH> stevenm: just look the numbers up as i told you
Apr 22 16:18:45 <KotH> stevenm: there is a list somewhere that tells you exactly what you have to do
Apr 22 16:18:56 <mru> stevenm: careful, it's a garden path
Apr 22 16:19:05 <ka6sox> with thorns
Apr 22 16:19:08 <KotH> stevenm: but as long as it does not on the ITAR list, it's safe
Apr 22 16:19:23 <Crofton|work> KotH, what ITAR list?
Apr 22 16:19:36 <Crofton|work> ITAR is a vague law with criminal penalties
Apr 22 16:19:46 <KotH> Crofton|work: the other one than you were looking for :)
Apr 22 16:19:52 * KotH knows
Apr 22 16:20:07 <KotH> we deal with ITAR stuff for our space projects....that stuff is a real bitch
Apr 22 16:20:17 <av500> space is cold as hell
Apr 22 16:20:29 <KotH> depends on which side of the space craft :)
Apr 22 16:20:57 <mru> I think he's saying it's not particularly cold at all
Apr 22 16:21:06 <mru> unless hell froze over and I didn't notice
Apr 22 16:21:18 <ka6sox> Beagles in Space!
Apr 22 16:21:19 <mru> which would be odd, since I seem to be stuck in it
Apr 22 16:21:33 <ka6sox> oh wait...the latest is *controlled* from space...
Apr 22 16:21:35 <ka6sox> right
Apr 22 16:22:04 <KotH> mru: if you are stuck in hell, then hell must have frozen over...
Apr 22 16:22:15 <KotH> mru: unless uk got a lot warmer since i last was there
Apr 22 16:22:20 <mru> or it simply melted my wings
Apr 22 16:22:21 <thurbad> in dante's inferno the final level of hell is frozen :P
Apr 22 16:23:23 <ka6sox> that makes sense as things are bound to just STOP at some point.
Apr 22 16:23:41 <mru> that's not what newton said
Apr 22 16:24:09 <mranostay> heh
Apr 22 16:34:59 <NNW> Hi. Wondering, how to access ADC on beagle bone with new angstrom img 2013.4.13? /sys/devices/platform/omap/tsc/ain* are gone
Apr 22 16:35:02 <jimmy18> #beagle-gsoc
Apr 22 16:38:08 <ka6sox> jimmy18, its /join #beagle-gsoc
Apr 22 16:40:11 <ka6sox> mru, so back to eDMA vs some other method...
Apr 22 16:40:38 <ka6sox> if I *can* dedicate a eDMA channel that might be best it would seem.
Apr 22 16:40:48 <ka6sox> panto, you have any ideas?
Apr 22 16:41:25 <panto> it would be best, but the few K we have to transfer ain't that big
Apr 22 16:41:56 <ka6sox> even 50mhz/8 would be quite a few interrupts.
Apr 22 16:42:01 <panto> it would be faster than using the CPU (or a spare PRU) but not for much
Apr 22 16:42:23 <ka6sox> we don't have a spare PRU given the pinmuxing situation.
Apr 22 16:42:40 <panto> true
Apr 22 16:42:58 <ka6sox> so we are going to have to read one and write the other.
Apr 22 16:43:04 <panto> you know the PRU can issue the DMA
Apr 22 16:43:21 <ka6sox> ya, as long as we set it up ya, thats gonna be nice
Apr 22 16:43:22 <panto> it has access to the L4
Apr 22 16:43:40 <panto> we could set the channel up from the ARM side, and let it disabled
Apr 22 16:43:49 <panto> have the PRU kick it
Apr 22 16:43:59 <panto> -ETOOMANYOPTIONS
Apr 22 16:44:22 <ka6sox> ya, no kidding..but I think thats a good plan(tm)
Apr 22 16:44:55 <panto> famous last words :)
Apr 22 16:45:06 <ka6sox> unless we can see a clear advantage of shifting bits around I'd rather just work with 8 bit things...
Apr 22 16:45:22 <ka6sox> might limit speed to 50mhz or so but thats faster than my Parallel IV
Apr 22 16:45:46 <ka6sox> most of the ones I see are 10mhz or less.
Apr 22 16:47:53 <ka6sox> for a sync signal for both PRUs is there something internal or do I gotta burn 2 pins?
Apr 22 16:49:04 <ka6sox> actually I can just make the sync stuff issue a INT.
Apr 22 16:51:13 <ka6sox> -ETOOONTOPIC
Apr 22 16:53:40 <panto> I think it's internal
Apr 22 16:53:51 <panto> sorry, busy with other stuff in parallel
Apr 22 16:59:41 <ka6sox> panto, I was thinking of the deathly silence in the channel.
Apr 22 16:59:58 <panto> yes, we need to troll more
Apr 22 17:00:14 <panto> the channel has strict troll quota reqs.
Apr 22 17:00:57 * KotH is afraid he cannot fullfill his quota until the end of the semester
Apr 22 17:02:19 <ka6sox> panto, I got pushed into the "bigger" part...but that just means "all your pins are mine"
Apr 22 17:02:39 <ka6sox> (kind of like the eMMC on the Black)
Apr 22 17:03:16 <panto> ka6sox, supposedly I fixed that
Apr 22 17:03:37 <ka6sox> okay is it in 3.8?
Apr 22 17:03:41 <panto> as long as emmc keeps shut up when it's reset is held low
Apr 22 17:03:49 <ka6sox> yes, it will
Apr 22 17:03:54 <panto> ka6sox, it will be in tomorrow I guess
Apr 22 17:03:57 <ka6sox> okay
Apr 22 17:04:00 <ka6sox> then I will try
Apr 22 17:04:01 <panto> have to clean up a whole bunch of patches
Apr 22 17:04:14 <panto> should be the same for the hdmi chip
Apr 22 17:04:26 <panto> but that's no big problem since it's just inputs right?
Apr 22 17:04:47 <ka6sox> detheridge's patches to HDMI? ya
Apr 22 17:05:50 <ka6sox> I didn't look at interrupts at all on the NXP part.
Apr 22 17:06:37 <ka6sox> bbiaw.
Apr 22 17:46:37 <mranostay> crap my key card still works :)
Apr 22 17:54:32 <bruce> So I got a notification email from Newark that BeagleBone Black inventory has arrived, but as soon as I clicked on the link it was showing no stock.  Any guess if they sold out already, or might Newark just be getting ahead of themselves?
Apr 22 17:55:22 <prpplague> bruce: no they just haven't updated the stock yet
Apr 22 17:55:35 <prpplague> bruce: the official release isn't until tomorrow
Apr 22 17:56:15 <bruce> Ah, thanks!  That gives me a day to get my order all together, I guess.  Bundle up all my shipping costs.
Apr 22 17:56:36 <bruce> The new board looks great, and the price is awesome.
Apr 22 17:59:43 * KotH wonders why farnell sells the black for twice the price than anyone else
Apr 22 18:00:33 <mranostay> KotH: scumbags?
Apr 22 18:00:43 <KotH> looks like
Apr 22 18:00:46 <prpplague> jkridner: ping
Apr 22 18:01:03 <KotH> mranostay: nice thing: mouser has the normal 45usd price, and free shipping :)
Apr 22 18:01:51 * ka6sox-away gets in the queue to get a Black...
Apr 22 18:02:00 * mranostay has two
Apr 22 18:02:00 * KotH wonders, whether he should get a black+gps module and build a quick and dirty ntp server
Apr 22 18:04:10 <KotH> .o0(or i could build my own gpsdo for nearly the same price)
Apr 22 18:04:27 <mranostay> heh
Apr 22 18:04:51 <bradfa> Dear Internet, your beliefs about SD cards are wrong.  Thanks.
Apr 22 18:05:21 <KotH> ok.. not completely true: i have already all the components for the gpsdo, but a PCB, so it is more expensive, but i already paid for it, so it's cheaper :)
Apr 22 18:05:32 <KotH> bradfa: ?
Apr 22 18:05:42 <bradfa> KotH, I love replying to SD card topics on ml
Apr 22 18:05:51 <bradfa> needed to vent
Apr 22 18:05:54 <bradfa> now I'm happier
Apr 22 18:05:55 <KotH> what was it this time?
Apr 22 18:06:15 <bradfa> fdisk told the erase block size
Apr 22 18:06:18 <bradfa> 512 bytes!
Apr 22 18:06:27 <KotH> lol
Apr 22 18:06:29 <KotH> yeah.. right
Apr 22 18:06:55 <bradfa> only off by factor of 10000 or so
Apr 22 18:07:02 <KotH> apropos sd cards... does someone have the current sd card spec and wouldnt mind to share it with me... purely for educational purposes :)
Apr 22 18:07:44 <bradfa> KotH, physical spec with some redactions available on sdcard.org, not good enough?
Apr 22 18:07:59 <KotH> nope
Apr 22 18:08:08 <KotH> the redacted parts are the important ones ^^'
Apr 22 18:08:22 <bradfa> of course :)
Apr 22 18:08:40 <bradfa> all I have are the "simplified" versions
Apr 22 18:08:44 * KotH still clings to the 1.1 spec a certain, well known giant of this channel gave him
Apr 22 18:08:49 <bradfa> I'm also interested in v2.00 full spec, though
Apr 22 18:09:10 <ka6sox> bradfa, send $$$ to some "non-profit org"
Apr 22 18:09:26 <bradfa> non-profit?
Apr 22 18:09:48 <KotH> ka6sox: iirc 5kusd or so
Apr 22 18:09:59 <bradfa> $1k if you promise not to make a product, I think
Apr 22 18:10:01 <KotH> one year "membership"
Apr 22 18:10:20 <ka6sox> most of these trade organizations are supposedly "non-profit"...this seems like a money making org to me...
Apr 22 18:10:29 <bradfa> ka6sox, yes
Apr 22 18:10:49 <bradfa> TI should have some copies laying around... maybe one will fall off a truck or something...
Apr 22 18:11:05 <bradfa> $2k gets "general membership"
Apr 22 18:11:29 <KotH> ka6sox: like the ieee? who boost to "advance the world", wants >20usd for every paper and sends you yearly reminder that the papers you download are for your eyes only and if you share them with anyone you are killing kitties and end up in jail
Apr 22 18:11:47 <bradfa> KotH, at least it's only like $20 usd
Apr 22 18:11:49 <KotH> bradfa: oh.. it got cheaper
Apr 22 18:11:58 <KotH> bradfa: well.. yeah...
Apr 22 18:12:09 <bradfa> KotH, I got all the 802.15.4 papers for like $15
Apr 22 18:12:15 <KotH> bradfa: good thing my library has a complete ieee license... get those papers for free
Apr 22 18:12:16 <bradfa> all 802.3 specs are free :)
Apr 22 18:12:28 <bradfa> mmc spec is free (me thinks)
Apr 22 18:13:32 <mranostay> bradfa: all specs are free from russia :P
Apr 22 18:13:38 <KotH> lol
Apr 22 18:14:13 <KotH> mranostay: if you live near a university, you can access that stuff from their library for free or a very little fee
Apr 22 18:14:30 <KotH> at least for technical unis
Apr 22 18:14:49 <bradfa> KotH, decent technical unis
Apr 22 18:14:58 <bradfa> mranostay, got links?
Apr 22 18:15:10 <KotH> bradfa: well.. i was at a decent one...
Apr 22 18:15:25 <KotH> bradfa: but it was way to theoretical for its own good
Apr 22 18:16:24 <KotH> bradfa: ok. not so decent... it had only one third of the yearly budget of the MIT :)
Apr 22 18:16:32 <bradfa> haha :)
Apr 22 18:17:49 <KotH> correction, one half
Apr 22 18:17:57 <KotH> the usd has gone down again
Apr 22 18:20:54 * KotH finds it interesting that 95% of that money comes either from the swiss gov or from the EU
Apr 22 18:21:12 <KotH> while the MIT is 50% sponsored
Apr 22 18:26:54 <mranostay> KotH: usually you have to be enrolled in the university to not get booted for trespassing :)
Apr 22 18:27:19 <KotH> o_0
Apr 22 18:27:36 <KotH> all universities i've seen in europe were basically open
Apr 22 18:27:50 <KotH> you just walk in, no checks, no security guards, no nothing
Apr 22 18:28:12 <woglinde> koth and free wifi
Apr 22 18:28:16 <woglinde> via eduroam
Apr 22 18:28:19 <KotH> juup
Apr 22 18:28:38 * mranostay assumes OSU has a Portland campus
Apr 22 18:29:11 <Russ> same with ASU, just wander in
Apr 22 18:29:24 <mranostay> Russ: well you can but not suppose too :)
Apr 22 18:29:40 <Russ> its open to the public
Apr 22 18:29:44 <mru> who cares?
Apr 22 18:30:03 <KotH> o/
Apr 22 18:30:06 <Russ> it depends on the neighborhood, I'm guessing USC is a bit more locked down
Apr 22 18:30:13 * KotH wants to walk in and listen to lectures
Apr 22 18:30:33 <Russ> you might get booted for that, but if its a large lecture, I doubt anyone would notice
Apr 22 18:31:28 <KotH> woglinde: fun fact: most universtities and colleges that participate in eduroam are in africa (3337), followed by europe (1224). the least are in the states (67) and canada(29)
Apr 22 18:31:35 <Russ> its a public university, it'd be a bit silly if the public couldn't visit the campus
Apr 22 18:32:25 <KotH> Russ: .ch goes a step further: the univerities are often local recreation areas :)
Apr 22 18:32:42 <KotH> (and officially designated as such)
Apr 22 18:32:55 <Russ> cool :)
Apr 22 18:33:21 <KotH> well.. at least in zürich, they wouldnt have gotten the land otherwise
Apr 22 18:33:24 <mranostay> KotH: so how old is the limit for student visas there? :P
Apr 22 18:33:34 <KotH> mranostay: i dont think there is a limit
Apr 22 18:34:21 <KotH> mranostay: http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/reps/eur/vrus/ref_visinf/visrus/ruvaty/rustv.html
Apr 22 18:35:38 <KotH> mranostay: meh.. that's for russians
Apr 22 18:35:50 <KotH> mranostay: for .ch you have to apply for a schengen visa
Apr 22 18:36:00 <KotH> mranostay: http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/reps/nameri/vusa/ref_visinf/visusa.html
Apr 22 18:36:02 * mranostay isn't a russian
Apr 22 18:36:23 * mranostay hums Team American song
Apr 22 18:36:43 <KotH> that page is a bit...confusing
Apr 22 18:37:06 <KotH> mranostay: as a usian, you can allways apply this way: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm/en/home/themen/asyl.html
Apr 22 18:37:37 <mranostay> KotH: cute
Apr 22 18:37:59 <mranostay> what possible reasoning would i have?
Apr 22 18:38:36 <KotH> mranostay: religious prosecution of an atheist in a ridiculously religious country
Apr 22 18:39:00 <KotH> mranostay: or political believes
Apr 22 18:39:02 <KotH> mranostay: or...
Apr 22 18:39:02 <mranostay> heh
Apr 22 18:39:14 <KotH> there can be many reasons in a country so fucked up ;->
Apr 22 18:39:25 * mranostay shoots KotH 
Apr 22 18:39:43 * KotH survives thanks to his special swiss army bullet proof vest
Apr 22 18:40:14 <mranostay> what level protection?
Apr 22 18:40:15 * KotH requests an airial strike on mranostay from the swiss airforce
Apr 22 18:40:17 <mranostay> IIV?
Apr 22 18:40:33 <KotH> dunno.. good enough i guess ;)
Apr 22 18:40:35 <jj2baile> Oh, I did not realize eduroam was a worldwide tihng
Apr 22 18:40:37 <jj2baile> thing*
Apr 22 18:40:45 <mranostay> yeah swiss bombing Menlo Park is likely not to cause a problem
Apr 22 18:40:51 <KotH> jj2baile: actually, it's an european thing
Apr 22 18:40:58 <KotH> jj2baile: but it kind of catched on...
Apr 22 18:41:03 <mranostay> KotH: stab resistant as well?
Apr 22 18:41:13 <KotH> jj2baile: unless you are in the states.. there you are mostly out of luck :)
Apr 22 18:41:18 <KotH> mranostay: juup
Apr 22 18:41:21 <jj2baile> I am in Canada in fact.
Apr 22 18:41:27 <KotH> jj2baile: even worse!
Apr 22 18:41:30 <mranostay> jj2baile: we're sorry
Apr 22 18:41:31 <ds2> is that where they come and pass out defective cheese with holes in them?
Apr 22 18:41:31 <jj2baile> haha yeah apparently.
Apr 22 18:41:59 <mranostay> jj2baile: you can escape south :P
Apr 22 18:42:05 <KotH> mranostay: the swiss military gear is quite good. not the best in the world, but still quite good
Apr 22 18:42:39 <mranostay> KotH: you guys need a few nukes to be taken seriously :P
Apr 22 18:42:44 <KotH> mranostay: and the ABC stuff is actually one of the best... there were stories of the usians borrowing the swiss ABC suits in iraq because they feared theirs wouldnt be enough
Apr 22 18:42:54 <KotH> lol
Apr 22 18:43:16 <KotH> mranostay: you know that _every_ swiss citizen has a place in a shelter?
Apr 22 18:43:26 <mranostay> like an assigned spot?
Apr 22 18:43:27 <KotH> actually, everyone living in .ch
Apr 22 18:43:30 <KotH> yes
Apr 22 18:43:47 <KotH> plus there is a surplus of shelters for when you are not at home
Apr 22 18:43:59 <KotH> not to mention all those military shelters all over the country
Apr 22 18:44:23 <ds2> KotH: is that shelter from the falling bars of gold after the banks get attacked?
Apr 22 18:44:51 <KotH> ds2: the swiss gold is safe underneath the swiss federal parliament :)
Apr 22 18:45:04 <KotH> (no joke)
Apr 22 18:45:17 * mranostay plans a bank robbery :P
Apr 22 18:45:29 * mru starts digging
Apr 22 18:45:31 <mranostay> all your elite forces are guarding the pope right?
Apr 22 18:45:40 <mranostay> in silly uniforms
Apr 22 18:45:50 <_av500_> yeah
Apr 22 18:46:20 <KotH> mranostay: you plan to robb the  federal reserve of a country where every male citizen below 30 has a rifle at home and is trained to shoot people at 300m?
Apr 22 18:46:26 <mru> surely not as silly as the pope's
Apr 22 18:46:34 <ds2> mru: so that's why you bought all the surplus tunnels after the chunnel was done?
Apr 22 18:46:45 <mranostay> who does the fashion at the Vatican? needs to be fired
Apr 22 18:47:00 <mranostay> mru: hard to top that hat
Apr 22 18:48:59 <ka6sox> Russ, I just walk into USC...but thats a private university...
Apr 22 18:49:04 <mru> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6ULDSNf87A
Apr 22 18:49:15 <ds2> ka6sox: insurance policies paided?
Apr 22 18:49:35 <mranostay> KotH: i'll destract them with chocolate
Apr 22 18:49:40 <ka6sox> ds2, did something happen I'm not aware of?
Apr 22 18:52:29 <mru> ka6sox: unless you're omniscient, yes
Apr 22 18:56:16 <ka6sox> I am heading there Friday is why I am asking.
Apr 22 18:59:31 <KotH> mranostay: you want to distract people with chocolate who have huge stores of the best chocolate in the world at home?
Apr 22 18:59:42 <KotH> mranostay: good luck with that
Apr 22 19:00:36 <alan_o> mranostay: thought of you  http://betabeat.com/2012/04/bottoms-up-the-ballmer-peak-is-real-study-says/
Apr 22 19:01:07 <mru> we all knew that
Apr 22 19:01:17 <mru> except KotH
Apr 22 19:01:25 <alan_o> yeah, but now the scientific method has been applied to it.
Apr 22 19:01:33 <_av500_> darn
Apr 22 19:01:37 <_av500_> I killed me phone
Apr 22 19:01:48 <alan_o> :(
Apr 22 19:01:55 <_av500_> the glass
Apr 22 19:02:00 <alan_o> oh no!
Apr 22 19:02:11 <_av500_> 'twill be o'repaired
Apr 22 19:04:36 <KotH> mru: i dont need alcohol ot be uninhibited and silly
Apr 22 19:04:41 <KotH> mru: and you should know that ;)
Apr 22 19:08:04 <mru> KotH: now imagine what would happen if you did drink
Apr 22 19:08:44 <rtdin> Hello, I am interested in working on sysfs entries for IIO and PWM for GSOC'13. Any pointers on what needs to be done will be helpful.
Apr 22 19:09:24 <KotH> mru: you also know that you dont want to experience that :)
Apr 22 19:10:27 <mru> how come? it can't possibly be worse than my average day
Apr 22 19:10:54 <KotH> rotfl... they recruited participants on craigslist
Apr 22 19:11:16 <mru> maybe the were a bit beyond the ballmer peak while conducting the study
Apr 22 19:11:30 <mru> *they
Apr 22 19:11:51 <KotH> nah.. so far thats common practice ... at least in social sciences :)
Apr 22 19:12:04 <KotH> but funny nevertheless
Apr 22 19:12:18 <mranostay> sample size wasn't big enough for sure
Apr 22 19:12:33 <mru> there's no way I'd practise social "sciences" while sober
Apr 22 19:12:39 <KotH> " 40 male social drinkers aged 21­30 was recruited by Craigslist and from the university community."
Apr 22 19:12:53 <ka6sox> from precise to imprecise: Math to Sociology.
Apr 22 19:13:01 <mranostay> heh
Apr 22 19:13:09 <KotH> mranostay: that's actually a quite _large_ sample for psychology ^^'
Apr 22 19:13:11 <mranostay> sociology seems like a fun stuject
Apr 22 19:13:15 <mranostay> *subject
Apr 22 19:13:17 <mru> http://xkcd.com/435/
Apr 22 19:13:54 <KotH> mranostay: sociology != psychology
Apr 22 19:13:55 <ka6sox> mru, beat me to it.
Apr 22 19:14:15 <KotH> ka6sox: what elenril is to tvtropes, is mru to xkcd
Apr 22 19:14:28 <mru> KotH: they don't know elenril here
Apr 22 19:14:40 <KotH> which is a mistake!
Apr 22 19:15:04 <mranostay> sociology is more broad iirc based on groups of people psychology?
Apr 22 19:15:06 <ka6sox> KotH, only because 26+26=54 do I know elenril
Apr 22 19:15:14 <KotH> lol
Apr 22 19:15:24 <mru> ah, he has a few on there
Apr 22 19:15:30 <ka6sox> which means a small subset of who he is.
Apr 22 19:15:48 <mru> small but carefully chosen
Apr 22 19:18:00 <_av500_> mostly he stabs people
Apr 22 19:18:22 <mru> someone should get him a gun
Apr 22 19:18:43 <KotH> o_0
Apr 22 19:18:46 <mranostay> who needs a gun?
Apr 22 19:18:46 <KotH> wtf..
Apr 22 19:18:58 <KotH> that paper states a statistically significant result
Apr 22 19:19:09 <KotH> and i cannot find any big hole in the first reading
Apr 22 19:19:12 <mru> mranostay: look who's talking
Apr 22 19:19:30 <_av500_> guns dont help
Apr 22 19:19:41 <_av500_> see boston
Apr 22 19:19:49 <mru> _av500_: perhaps not, but they sure are more efficient
Apr 22 19:20:23 * ka6sox is glad he only makes running stabs at going into big cities...
Apr 22 19:20:35 <ka6sox> like Friday, get it all over in 1 day.
Apr 22 19:20:54 <mru> friday is a loose term
Apr 22 19:21:20 <ka6sox> the day after thursday and the day before #caturday.
Apr 22 19:21:43 <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/52
Apr 22 19:23:01 <ka6sox> I forgot that one...got a chuckle as i was reading thru them last week waiting for the 3v1l Mandrake8 image download...(at Charbucks)
Apr 22 19:23:37 <KotH> mru: btw: what's the best way to read all of 26-26-54?
Apr 22 19:23:43 <ynezz> wget
Apr 22 19:23:44 <KotH> is there a browse function?
Apr 22 19:23:47 <mru> no
Apr 22 19:23:54 <mranostay> http://www.vp7.de/hwb.html
Apr 22 19:24:10 <mru> bloody scrapers
Apr 22 19:24:12 <ka6sox> there is a random function.
Apr 22 19:24:17 * _av500_ glares at mranostay 
Apr 22 19:24:19 * mranostay points to av500 
Apr 22 19:24:29 <ynezz> :D
Apr 22 19:24:37 * _av500_ considers to shoot and stab
Apr 22 19:24:38 <KotH> mranostay: that's cencored!
Apr 22 19:26:03 <alan_o> oh no!
Apr 22 19:26:14 <alan_o> I didn't get #1 when mru said it in his talk
Apr 22 19:26:47 <alan_o> I felt like there was the possibility of there being a joke there....
Apr 22 19:26:54 <ka6sox> av500, are they yummy?
Apr 22 19:27:12 <mru> #1? I don't recall mentioning memory leeks
Apr 22 19:27:33 <KotH> hmm... are leak and leek homophone?
Apr 22 19:27:38 <panto> good night all
Apr 22 19:27:38 <alan_o> I mean #0. Too much fortran lately....
Apr 22 19:28:32 <KotH> alan_o: working on some old scientific app?
Apr 22 19:28:39 <mranostay> alan_o: you are from the south we give you a little slack
Apr 22 19:28:49 <alan_o> KotH: Flight simulators
Apr 22 19:28:55 <alan_o> KotH: yes, old.
Apr 22 19:29:28 <ka6sox> alan_o, what..you not have Origin 0?
Apr 22 19:30:27 <alan_o> ka6sox: I don't really know fortran. I pick at existing systems.
Apr 22 19:30:57 <ka6sox> good thing its not for more than "simulators" then... :P
Apr 22 19:31:40 <alan_o> yeah, I don't know why they keep calling me, to be honest.
Apr 22 19:32:16 <ka6sox> because everyone else they know that is willing to work on fortran is either DEAD or retired and won't return their phone calls?
Apr 22 19:32:28 <alan_o> and really, even there, most of the stuff I do is in C. The fortran reference was mostly a joke to explain my counting from 1 :)
Apr 22 19:32:38 <alan_o> ka6sox: something like that.
Apr 22 19:32:43 <ka6sox> oh.never mind then...
Apr 22 19:32:56 <ka6sox> fortran is great for simulations...
Apr 22 19:33:05 <alan_o> I disagree :)
Apr 22 19:33:06 <KotH> mru: when did i say #15?
Apr 22 19:33:09 <ka6sox> ask LLNL
Apr 22 19:33:11 <KotH> mru: i cannot find it in my logs ^^'
Apr 22 19:33:38 <ka6sox> its #16
Apr 22 19:33:39 <alan_o> KotH: 16?
Apr 22 19:33:45 <mranostay> what is the pdp-11?
Apr 22 19:33:47 * mranostay ducks
Apr 22 19:33:48 <KotH> er..yeah.. #16
Apr 22 19:34:10 <ka6sox> everyone look busy...the Boss is here....
Apr 22 19:34:51 * KotH chats busily
Apr 22 19:35:07 <alan_o> typetypetypetypetypetypetype
Apr 22 19:35:24 <mranostay> jkridner|work is my boss?
Apr 22 19:35:53 <ka6sox> mranostay, nobody has that power over you...
Apr 22 19:35:57 <jkridner|work> GSoC applications start today?
Apr 22 19:36:07 <alan_o> mranostay: check the org chart. He's the chief beagle-walker
Apr 22 19:36:29 <alan_o> and he'd _better_ pick that up....
Apr 22 19:36:49 * jkridner|work needs to spend time picking up the mess from GSoC.
Apr 22 19:37:05 * alan_o hands jkridner|work a baggie.
Apr 22 19:37:25 <ka6sox> jkridner|work, the existing doco from Melange is good...just hard to find.
Apr 22 19:37:33 <ka6sox> so that means we don't need guidelines.
Apr 22 19:37:37 <jkridner|work> k.
Apr 22 19:37:38 <ka6sox> we just need links.
Apr 22 19:37:54 <mranostay> alan_o: so he walks behind Boris with a blue bag?
Apr 22 19:38:03 * vvu finished uploading the proposal, now more work needs to be done!
Apr 22 19:38:23 <ka6sox> jkridner|work, just put them in the ideas page or add them to the GSoC page we already have?
Apr 22 19:38:34 <ka6sox> (the one @ melange)
Apr 22 19:38:53 <jkridner|work> I'm ok with putting them on the ideas page.  We used to have them there.
Apr 22 19:38:55 <alan_o> mranostay: I hope he has a bag (or at least walks him in someone else's neighborhood).
Apr 22 19:40:13 <ka6sox> okay...
Apr 22 19:40:53 <KotH> ka6sox: we aren't yet at friday levels :)
Apr 22 19:41:29 <ka6sox> KotH, of what?
Apr 22 19:41:37 <KotH> of discussions
Apr 22 19:42:04 <mranostay> my week is full of Fridays :)
Apr 22 19:42:26 <mranostay> and the next one too
Apr 22 19:43:02 <ka6sox> KotH, oh right
Apr 22 19:43:11 <mranostay> alan_o: scumbag jkridner|work? :)
Apr 22 19:44:07 <ka6sox> the mighty 4-Manual BanHammer
Apr 22 19:44:43 <thweber> are some devkit8000 users here?
Apr 22 19:45:07 <ka6sox> only GSoC would have Case Sensitive searches :P
Apr 22 19:45:48 <KotH> google...where things are designed for web 3.14
Apr 22 19:46:12 <mranostay> 15926535...
Apr 22 19:46:59 <ka6sox> 838...
Apr 22 19:48:34 <KotH> thweber: this is #beagle and #msp430, sometimes also #guns and #chocolate, but not #devkit8000
Apr 22 19:49:00 <mranostay> KotH: how about 3 printed chocolate guns!
Apr 22 19:49:04 <mranostay> *3d
Apr 22 19:49:57 <KotH> i dont think we had that yet
Apr 22 19:50:16 <mranostay> make me a chocolate AR-15
Apr 22 19:50:22 <KotH> nah...
Apr 22 19:50:26 <KotH> if, then an sig 550
Apr 22 19:51:51 <mru> KotH: 2010-05-23 15:51
Apr 22 19:52:15 <mranostay> was that in #beagle?
Apr 22 19:52:35 <_av500_> thweber: occasionally
Apr 22 19:52:50 <mru> mranostay: no
Apr 22 19:53:30 <thweber> av500: do you have rootfs in nand or on sd-card?
Apr 22 19:54:44 <thweber> i want to switch rootfs from jffs to ubifs in u-boot, but before want to ask some users
Apr 22 19:55:17 <KotH> mru: ah.. that's why i couldnt find it!
Apr 22 19:55:23 <KotH> mru: domo
Apr 22 20:00:14 <KotH> mru: that CDGS guy was really full of shit...
Apr 22 20:00:43 <ka6sox> Charles DeGalle Syndrome?
Apr 22 20:00:43 <Russ> thweber, if you are using nand, use ubifs
Apr 22 20:01:22 <KotH> ka6sox: nah.. a guy who ran a one man guilde/group/whateveryouwanttocallit
Apr 22 20:01:43 <KotH> ka6sox: sported his clan tag around, proud of it
Apr 22 20:02:19 <_av500_> thweber: I dont have a dk800000000000
Apr 22 20:02:46 <KotH> ka6sox: appearantly using computers since the dawn of time, but must have been the same amiga forever, as he knew nothing at all about computers
Apr 22 20:02:46 * _av500_ is a proud member of CDGS crew
Apr 22 20:03:46 <ka6sox> av500, what does it stand for?
Apr 22 20:04:30 <ka6sox> KotH, he's so old he farts dust?
Apr 22 20:04:43 <KotH> juup
Apr 22 20:04:58 <KotH> but as you can tell from #16, he has never heard of a pdp-11
Apr 22 20:05:09 <KotH> which even mranostay knows
Apr 22 20:05:27 <_av500_> ka6sox: http://www.cdgs-crew.com/
Apr 22 20:05:30 <ka6sox> ya, those are new fangled.
Apr 22 20:06:02 <ka6sox> applied psionics....
Apr 22 20:07:04 <KotH> _av500_: that page reminds me of a well done geocities page ^^'
Apr 22 20:07:16 * ka6sox wants to try panto's fix for eMMC crashing.... 
Apr 22 20:07:42 * ka6sox wonders if it got into koen's tree.
Apr 22 20:10:09 <KotH> ka6sox: the forum (the one that works) is even better
Apr 22 20:10:22 <KotH> ka6sox: super well informent discussions about alternative medicine
Apr 22 20:11:13 <mru> but nothing beats timecube.com
Apr 22 20:11:17 <mru> _nothing_
Apr 22 20:11:34 <KotH> yeah!
Apr 22 20:15:39 <_av500_> OMG, 12 serial ports: http://linuxgizmos.com/cadia-mini-itx-imx53-sbc-12-serial-ports/
Apr 22 20:17:11 <ka6sox> uh....
Apr 22 20:17:28 <ka6sox> mru, you need to warn people when NSFW can happen.
Apr 22 20:17:43 <mru> what's nsfw here?
Apr 22 20:17:51 <ka6sox> timecube.co
Apr 22 20:17:53 <ka6sox> +m
Apr 22 20:18:14 <mru> I see no porn on there
Apr 22 20:18:50 <mru> just a bunch of quasi-religious claptrap
Apr 22 20:19:00 <mru> not much worse than you'll find on fox news
Apr 22 20:19:09 <mru> just funnier
Apr 22 20:19:57 <mru> the best bit is really when you've scrolled to the very end and find the 'NEXT PAGE' link
Apr 22 20:21:13 <ka6sox> Did I see a Blink Tag?
Apr 22 20:21:30 <mru> are those nsfw?
Apr 22 20:22:19 <alan_o> mru: not if you're a web designer who wants to keep your job :)
Apr 22 20:23:50 <ka6sox> http://timecube.com/index10.html
Apr 22 20:23:58 <ka6sox> just thought you ought to know...
Apr 22 20:24:33 <ka6sox> okay so back to instantiating PRUs...what a mess...
Apr 22 20:24:47 <ka6sox> why can't I just use firmware() :P
Apr 22 20:29:21 <mru> ka6sox: is that page nsfw?
Apr 22 20:29:34 <ka6sox> no
Apr 22 20:29:54 <ka6sox> I got thrown into some "adult friend finder" when I first went to the page.
Apr 22 20:30:16 <KotH> lol
Apr 22 20:30:23 <mru> doesn't happen to me
Apr 22 20:30:42 <ka6sox> maybe you have Dan's Guardian running too...
Apr 22 20:30:54 <mru> I have adblock
Apr 22 20:31:05 * KotH too
Apr 22 20:31:09 <ka6sox> thats probably why.
Apr 22 20:31:09 <mru> no porn filter specifically
Apr 22 20:31:23 <KotH> but i guess the wisest man on earth needs some way to pay for his site
Apr 22 20:32:10 <mru> well, did you find any friends? :)
Apr 22 20:33:10 <ka6sox> heh
Apr 22 20:33:33 <ka6sox> mranostay, be useful and give me the nickel tour of using the existing pru loader...
Apr 22 20:33:40 <ka6sox> :)
Apr 22 20:34:01 <KotH> what's a nickel tour?
Apr 22 20:34:20 <agmlego> A tour, costing a nickel.
Apr 22 20:34:31 <agmlego> Usually short and glossy, with few details.
Apr 22 20:34:57 <ka6sox> okay okay...$2.50
Apr 22 20:45:44 <mranostay> heh
Apr 22 20:46:21 <thaha> hi
Apr 22 20:46:23 <mranostay> well i belive the PRU library just copies the binary blobs to the PRU and tells it to go
Apr 22 20:47:32 <thaha> could someone tell me how I can access the User button on the beaglebaord revC ?I used to access it using /dev/event0 in the older revs... now it seems that the button has been moved.
Apr 22 20:48:21 <alan_o> thaha: /sys/class/gpio/
Apr 22 20:49:24 * mranostay smacks alan_o 
Apr 22 20:49:31 <alan_o> what?
Apr 22 20:49:32 <alan_o> no good?
Apr 22 20:50:39 <mru> I usually access the button with a pointy object
Apr 22 20:51:14 <alan_o> mru does your enclosure get in the way?
Apr 22 20:51:30 <mru> usually a finger is sufficiently pointy
Apr 22 20:51:35 * mru likes pointing fingers
Apr 22 20:54:15 <SD_>  
Apr 22 20:55:21 <ka6sox> I find a pogopin is about the right tool...pointy too.
Apr 22 20:56:10 <mru> just don't use a null pointer
Apr 22 20:56:30 <alan_o> or a dull pointer
Apr 22 20:56:59 <KotH> laser pointers are no good eiteh
Apr 22 20:57:01 <KotH> either
Apr 22 20:57:41 <mru> laser pointers work only on virtual addresses
Apr 22 20:57:42 <noobish_> so, have a stock angstrom beagleboen here
Apr 22 20:57:48 <noobish_> and did an i2cdetect
Apr 22 20:57:55 <ka6sox> frolicking may now ensue... ;)
Apr 22 20:58:00 <noobish_> i see that an address i need is being skipped
Apr 22 20:58:04 <noobish_> meaning a driver is probably using the address
Apr 22 20:58:12 * KotH frolocks
Apr 22 20:58:15 <noobish_> looking at the beaglebone schematics, there's nothing at that address, so it should be safe for me to use
Apr 22 20:58:23 <mru> bollocks
Apr 22 20:58:43 <noobish_> is there a way to use the address anyways?
Apr 22 20:59:10 <agmlego> Remove the driver that is trying to use it.
Apr 22 20:59:10 <mru> try and find out
Apr 22 20:59:36 <ka6sox> poke it with a sharp stick...and hope it doesn't bite
Apr 22 20:59:48 <noobish_> i removed all of the kernel modules i could
Apr 22 20:59:50 <noobish_> and it's still there
Apr 22 20:59:53 <noobish_> so i'm assuming it's built in
Apr 22 21:00:01 <mru> ka6sox: doesn't matter if the stick is long enough
Apr 22 21:00:16 <noobish_> i'd rather not recompile the kernel only because one address is being used.
Apr 22 21:00:19 <ka6sox> mru, you don't have the rattlesnakes we do...
Apr 22 21:00:33 <ka6sox> noobish_, you may have to.
Apr 22 21:00:38 <agmlego> noobish_: Try using a different address, then.
Apr 22 21:00:43 <noobish_> fiddlesticks.
Apr 22 21:00:45 <mru> no, we don't have any wildlife that'll kill you here
Apr 22 21:00:54 <agmlego> Most sensible hardware allows a selection of multiple addresses.
Apr 22 21:01:09 <KotH> mru: i'm not so sure about that
Apr 22 21:01:21 <noobish_> agmlego: tell that to the pmic on the beaglebone :P
Apr 22 21:01:26 <mru> KotH: ever been killed by a badger?
Apr 22 21:01:28 <KotH> mru: i dont want to imagine what would happen if av500 would accidentaly sit on someone
Apr 22 21:01:36 <_av500_> badgerbadgerbadger.com
Apr 22 21:01:41 <mru> KotH: but he's not here
Apr 22 21:01:47 <mru> here as in britain
Apr 22 21:01:48 <agmlego> noobish_: YOu are trying to talk to the onboard PMIC over a different adress than it already reserves?
Apr 22 21:01:52 <KotH> av500 is everywhere
Apr 22 21:02:05 <noobish_> agmlego: no, i'm saying not al hardware has a configurable address.
Apr 22 21:02:10 <noobish_> *all
Apr 22 21:02:18 <mru> _av500_: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/100
Apr 22 21:02:49 <agmlego> noobish_: Note the term "sensible".
Apr 22 21:03:02 <mru> sure it does, in the sense that you can always 'configure' some other hardware
Apr 22 21:03:43 <noobish_> hrmm, i guess i'll see if i can use it from kernel space, giving the other driver a big middle finger.
Apr 22 21:04:07 <thaha> alan_o: I found this tutorial http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WillWare/Angstrom_and_Beagleboard , but I was looking for something that I can use in my C code directly... Is there no other way?
Apr 22 21:04:20 <mru> seriously?
Apr 22 21:04:28 <mru> wikipedia user pages?
Apr 22 21:04:34 <mru> what has the world come to?
Apr 22 21:04:41 <ka6sox> oy
Apr 22 21:04:45 <ka6sox> mru, http://www.flickr.com/photos/68099814@N00/5101415730/in/photostream
Apr 22 21:04:58 <ka6sox> stepped over this guy when entering a building...
Apr 22 21:05:04 <noobish_> that snake has as strange looking ehad.
Apr 22 21:05:05 <noobish_> *head
Apr 22 21:05:18 <mru> looks rather decapitated
Apr 22 21:05:20 <ka6sox> noobish_, thats because it was missing in this picture.
Apr 22 21:05:22 <noobish_> thaha: wazup?
Apr 22 21:05:39 <ka6sox> phone was on other wall, cellphone was in car...
Apr 22 21:06:01 <ka6sox> No IRC client on the site computer...
Apr 22 21:06:12 <mru> how often are those things lethal?
Apr 22 21:06:27 <alan_o> thaha: fopen()/fprintf(),etc
Apr 22 21:06:40 <ka6sox> so I sent an email with the subject: "Help! I'm being held captive by a 6' rattlesnake!"
Apr 22 21:07:01 <ka6sox> which was truncated by the receiving client to : "Help! I'm being held captive by a 6' rat"
Apr 22 21:07:12 <mru> yeah, right
Apr 22 21:07:23 <ka6sox> (outlook)
Apr 22 21:07:24 <mru> actually, a 6' rat sounds much scarier
Apr 22 21:08:17 <ka6sox> depends...the femoral artery or anywhere around that is pretty bad.
Apr 22 21:11:05 <KotH> 6' rat...
Apr 22 21:12:14 <ds2> ka6sox: how old is that snake? don't see too many layers on the rattler
Apr 22 21:12:35 <mru> ds2: that snake is EOL
Apr 22 21:13:03 <ds2> no lifetime buy or NRND warnings?
Apr 22 21:13:41 * _av500_ realizes this surround receiver has no phono inputs
Apr 22 21:13:45 <_av500_> worthless dreck
Apr 22 21:14:04 <KotH> ah.. i like your denglisch :)
Apr 22 21:14:16 <ka6sox> ds2, 6yrs according to the rattles.
Apr 22 21:14:52 <ka6sox> http://www.flickr.com/photos/68099814@N00/7342715830/in/photostream
Apr 22 21:15:04 <ka6sox> its friday..someplace right?
Apr 22 21:15:15 <KotH> sure
Apr 22 21:15:22 <KotH> it's always friday somewhere
Apr 22 21:15:44 <mru> is there some planet where it's always friday?
Apr 22 21:15:50 <ka6sox> Heck
Apr 22 21:16:00 <mru> is that a planet?
Apr 22 21:16:18 <KotH> sounds like a planet name to me
Apr 22 21:16:46 <mru> when does the next rocket depart?
Apr 22 21:17:03 <KotH> may 35th
Apr 22 21:17:06 <mru> fuck
Apr 22 21:17:09 <ka6sox> I have foto's of Heck: http://www.flickr.com/photos/68099814@N00/7157521329/in/photostream
Apr 22 21:17:10 * alan_o checks the rocket timetables
Apr 22 21:17:28 <noobish_> looks very particulate there.
Apr 22 21:20:22 <KotH> night boys
Apr 22 21:20:44 <mru> night, day, what's the difference?
Apr 22 21:20:49 <ka6sox> nite KotH
Apr 22 21:21:23 <noobish_> mru: photon concentration in the upper atmosphere. :P
Apr 22 22:05:35 <tb01110100> Are the beagleboard black and the RPi aimed at the same user group, or different ones?
Apr 22 22:06:00 <mru> no, the beagle-black is aimed at users with a clue
Apr 22 22:06:20 <tb01110100> mru: Um, I have a clue and use the RPi.
Apr 22 22:06:39 <mru> *** contradiction *** contradiction ***
Apr 22 22:06:57 <tb01110100> I've been with linux for 3yrs. now. Is that not "clue" enough for you?
Apr 22 22:08:08 <mru> apparently not
Apr 22 22:08:30 <mru> also, 3 years is not a lot
Apr 22 22:08:39 <Tartarus> tb01110100: There's a high degree of snark in this channel
Apr 22 22:08:42 <mru> as you'll realise in 10 or 15 years
Apr 22 22:10:11 <thurbad> one difference... you're less likely to be banned here for being a smart ass
Apr 22 22:10:28 <alan_o> you're more likely to be banned for _not_ being a smart ass
Apr 22 22:10:36 <mru> there'd be nobody left here...
Apr 22 22:10:38 <thurbad> heh
Apr 22 22:17:40 <mru> SPLITTERS!
Apr 22 22:27:01 <tb01110100> Sorry, my bad. I just have been using an RPi and was curious about the bbb.
Apr 22 22:27:33 <mru> well, if you think the rpi is good... the beagle will blow your mind
Apr 22 22:27:43 <tb01110100> bbb is arm, right?
Apr 22 22:28:01 <thurbad> rpi has a lot of undocumented stuff
Apr 22 22:28:20 <thurbad> or rather unreleased documentation
Apr 22 22:28:33 <mru> same thing
Apr 22 22:28:37 <thurbad> yes it's arm
Apr 22 22:28:39 <tb01110100> So I could use Arch Linux on it.
Apr 22 22:28:56 <mru> I believe they have an arm port, yes
Apr 22 22:29:07 <tb01110100> Its specs do look impressive.
Apr 22 22:29:18 <tb01110100> And the photo makes it look small than the rpi.
Apr 22 22:29:23 <tb01110100> s/small/smaller
Apr 22 22:29:51 <mru> sizewise they're close
Apr 22 22:30:08 <tb01110100> Now is the bb a low-power device?
Apr 22 22:30:16 <mru> define low power
Apr 22 22:30:17 <tb01110100> bb being the beaglebone.
Apr 22 22:30:41 <tb01110100> Say, less than api.
Apr 22 22:30:45 <thurbad> compared to x86... very
Apr 22 22:32:04 <tb01110100> Is it armv7?
Apr 22 22:34:30 <mru> yes
Apr 22 22:34:43 <alan_o> tb01110100: http://elinux.org/BeagleBone
Apr 22 22:34:50 <tb01110100> alan_o: Thanks.
Apr 22 22:35:37 <tb01110100> Now, does it depend on another computer, or run independently?
Apr 22 22:35:44 <tb01110100> or both?
Apr 22 22:36:32 <alan_o> tb01110100: also circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone
Apr 22 22:36:52 <alan_o> tb01110100: look for System Reference Manual (SRM) on that page. It has much in the way of the kind of things you're asking
Apr 22 22:37:49 <alan_o> tb01110100: also http://www.ti.com/product/am3359
Apr 22 22:38:18 <tb01110100> Thanks again.
Apr 22 22:38:31 <alan_o> on that page, "Technical Reference Manual" is the manual for the CPU family. It's dense, but complete.
Apr 22 22:51:49 <Shadyman> Okay, so who spilled the beans and got the beaglebk taken down from the estore?
Apr 22 22:51:54 <Shadyman> >_>
Apr 22 22:59:10 <ka6sox> alan_o, fairly compleat
Apr 22 22:59:33 <mru> rev c is mostly complete
Apr 22 22:59:42 <mru> if we ignore the sgx
Apr 22 23:00:52 <Nullified_> Does anybody have access to both Altium and OrCAD?  If so, would you be willing to convert the OrCAD design files to Altium?
Apr 22 23:01:21 <ka6sox> mru, I try to ignore sgx
Apr 22 23:01:30 <ka6sox> morning bzyx
Apr 22 23:16:05 <ka6sox> splits!
Apr 22 23:16:41 <mranostay> anyone important?
Apr 22 23:17:04 <mru> it's as if someone invited the people's front of judea to the channel
Apr 22 23:17:24 <airdamien> lolwut
Apr 22 23:22:06 * ka6sox is confused too
Apr 22 23:29:11 <Shadyman> Let me rephrase. ka6sox, y u take down beagleblk from ti estore?
Apr 22 23:29:22 <Shadyman> I'm blaming ka6sox.
Apr 22 23:29:50 <Shadyman> Also, WANT. http://twitpic.com/cl8oti
Apr 22 23:30:21 <Shadyman> jkridner: We should totally get these posters with bbone blacks.
Apr 22 23:34:51 <ka6sox> Shadyman, <Sgt. Shultz> I know....nothing!</Sgt. Shultz>
Apr 22 23:35:19 <mranostay> are we allowed to talk about the colour now?
Apr 22 23:35:31 <Shadyman> ka6sox: Not-zing!
Apr 22 23:36:04 <Shadyman> mranostay: Well, it's been revealed at designwest, apparently.
Apr 22 23:38:19 <Shadyman> also on the beagleboard.org site :/
Apr 22 23:39:00 <ds2> it is PINK!!!!
Apr 22 23:40:03 <Shadyman> word.
Apr 22 23:40:14 <mranostay> are there pink PCBs?
Apr 22 23:40:23 <mranostay> how about a hello kitty pcb
Apr 22 23:40:23 <ds2> sure
Apr 22 23:40:26 <ds2> nice sharp ones
Apr 22 23:40:38 <ds2> blood + white PCB == pink ;)
Apr 22 23:41:15 <Shadyman> also, dammit mouser. why u no charge canada GST like digikey?
Apr 22 23:41:50 <Shadyman> Also, http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20Black
Apr 22 23:42:30 <Shadyman> looks like they nuked the power system header
Apr 22 23:42:36 <Shadyman> and nothing of value was lost :/
Apr 22 23:52:36 <mranostay> Shadyman: FTDI as well
Apr 22 23:54:29 <Shadyman> ah
Apr 22 23:54:31 <Shadyman> and nothing of value was lost :/
Apr 23 00:00:30 <acidfoo> I feel like there is conspiracies among the embedded board designer, why the heck there is no _low cost_ board with 2 ethernet port !
Apr 23 00:00:33 <acidfoo> :(
Apr 23 00:03:29 <Shadyman> acidfoo: So plug in a USB ethernet adapter?
Apr 23 00:03:32 <Shadyman> :/
Apr 23 00:03:55 <acidfoo> yes, but, the thing is that they cost almost the same price as the board itself :P (the usb to ethernet adapter)
Apr 23 00:04:26 <airdamien> acidfoo, why do you need dual ether?
Apr 23 00:04:34 <Shadyman> acidfoo: They probably aren't included because not many people would use two ethernet ports, and it would just add cost for everyone else.
Apr 23 00:05:04 <noobish_> anybody know how many ticks it takes the pru to access shared/local memory?
Apr 23 00:05:18 <acidfoo> airdamien, for cool stuf like bridge firewall, tunnel appliance for industrial machine, etc
Apr 23 00:05:26 <noobish_> err, i guess the whole timing characteristics of lbbo and sbbo
Apr 23 00:05:29 <Shadyman> acidfoo: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/New-USB-2-0-to-RJ45-LAN-Ethernet-Network-Adapter-for-Apple-PC-Mac-/350776878946 ?
Apr 23 00:06:02 <airdamien> gotta add the kernel driver for the apple adapter to work, it does work though
Apr 23 00:06:07 <acidfoo> starting bid ;P
Apr 23 00:06:09 <airdamien> acidfoo, what about thise
Apr 23 00:06:10 <airdamien> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/335638/posts/417711/image-218494-full.jpg?1362209232
Apr 23 00:06:19 <airdamien> dual gigabit
Apr 23 00:06:22 <airdamien> am335x
Apr 23 00:06:30 <Shadyman> acidfoo: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Ethernet-Port-10-100Mbps-USB-to-RJ45-LAN-External-Network-Card-Adapter-Connector-/171018056263
Apr 23 00:06:40 <Shadyman> $2.75, free shipping
Apr 23 00:07:05 <acidfoo> airdamien, that look pretty neat
Apr 23 00:07:09 <noobish_> you'd think they'd put it in the pru documentation.
Apr 23 00:07:13 <acidfoo> Shadyman, yeah not bad at all !
Apr 23 00:07:26 <Shadyman> acidfoo: Quality is suspect, but hey, if it works..
Apr 23 00:07:26 <noobish_> since it's for, you know, real time control, where timing is important.
Apr 23 00:07:30 <airdamien> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/335638/posts/405474/image-211889-full.jpg?1360803221
Apr 23 00:07:36 <acidfoo> airdamien, whats the project name for that board
Apr 23 00:07:40 <airdamien> adtrap
Apr 23 00:07:47 <airdamien> my baby :D
Apr 23 00:08:16 <acidfoo> airdamien, you designed it ?
Apr 23 00:08:45 <airdamien> sorta
Apr 23 00:08:56 <acidfoo> i'd like to have the board, not the product =)
Apr 23 00:09:01 <airdamien> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/600284081/adtrap-the-internet-is-yours-again/posts
Apr 23 00:09:34 <airdamien> yeah, we were stuck with not being able to find dual gigabit boards
Apr 23 00:09:44 <airdamien> so we designed our own
Apr 23 00:09:50 <acidfoo> airdamien, and you ask me why I want 2ethernets port ? :P
Apr 23 00:09:57 <Shadyman> airdamien: That grey ethernet cable is one funky thing.
Apr 23 00:10:03 <acidfoo> the fun begin when you have 2ethernet port =)
Apr 23 00:10:22 <airdamien> wasn't sure if you were looking for more than a sbc
Apr 23 00:10:32 <airdamien> or like a beagleboard with pins exposed
Apr 23 00:10:38 <acidfoo> ok :)
Apr 23 00:10:47 <acidfoo> well Id prefer something with 2 ethernet port already on it
Apr 23 00:10:59 <acidfoo> the soekris, the alix and the embeddedarm are a bit expensive
Apr 23 00:11:05 <airdamien> yeah, and the usb ethernets start choking up I've found
Apr 23 00:11:10 <acidfoo> but the beagleboard and the raspberrypi are quite powerfull for their price
Apr 23 00:11:14 <acidfoo> but only one ethernet :/
Apr 23 00:11:19 <acidfoo> gumstix is expensive also
Apr 23 00:11:48 <acidfoo> you board look very nice
Apr 23 00:11:50 <airdamien> yeah, we're not cheap on the board
Apr 23 00:12:01 <acidfoo> yeah, but still it look nice ;)
Apr 23 00:12:48 <acidfoo> nice project
Apr 23 00:13:02 <airdamien> lolthx, that's a jtag/usb console port on it too
Apr 23 00:13:35 <airdamien> I come from old school unix admin.. so having a console on it was important for me
Apr 23 00:13:44 <acidfoo> i'm from that world too
Apr 23 00:15:45 <mranostay> old people geez
Apr 23 00:15:53 <airdamien> lol
Apr 23 00:15:55 <mranostay> need some youth in this channel :P
Apr 23 00:15:57 <airdamien> ...only 30
Apr 23 00:16:09 <airdamien> started admin'ing when I was 14
Apr 23 00:16:13 <mranostay> one foot in the grave
Apr 23 00:16:23 <acidfoo> airdamien, the blue board I see at 00:56  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/600284081/adtrap-the-internet-is-yours-again
Apr 23 00:16:31 <tb01110100> mranostay: I'm 13.
Apr 23 00:16:36 <airdamien> ignore that blue board
Apr 23 00:16:40 <acidfoo> airdamien, what is it :P
Apr 23 00:16:50 <airdamien> it's an at91sam board
Apr 23 00:16:54 <rbarris> anyone ever hacked something like a gigabit router ?  I wonder how much intelligence is in there
Apr 23 00:17:31 <airdamien> can't remember the name of it now
Apr 23 00:17:34 <airdamien> trying to find it
Apr 23 00:17:43 <acidfoo> it comes with the 2 eth port ?
Apr 23 00:18:26 <airdamien> yeah, but the thing sucked
Apr 23 00:18:33 <airdamien> why we ended up with our own board
Apr 23 00:18:51 <airdamien> http://www.armdevs.com/NET-SAM9X25.html
Apr 23 00:18:52 <acidfoo> i'm still curious
Apr 23 00:19:20 <airdamien> where are you based out of?
Apr 23 00:19:39 <acidfoo> quebec
Apr 23 00:19:39 <airdamien> oh, and it's almost as much money as our board :D
Apr 23 00:19:41 <acidfoo> canada
Apr 23 00:19:59 <airdamien> palo alto.. was gonan say I'll hand you one if you're local
Apr 23 00:20:07 <acidfoo> a bit far :)
Apr 23 00:23:26 <acidfoo> well, less expensive than that old thing; http://soekris.com/products/net4501-1/net4501-30-board.html
Apr 23 00:24:09 <rbarris> dual 10/100
Apr 23 00:24:42 <airdamien> too much money for a 486
Apr 23 00:25:06 <airdamien> 64mb/ram
Apr 23 00:25:15 <Turl> hm, the gsoc wysiwyg editor is pretty annoying :/
Apr 23 00:25:48 <Shadyman> Also, http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/yo-sup-cat-high-five.gif
Apr 23 00:25:49 <calculus> airdamien: you can hand me one, menlo park at the moment
Apr 23 00:29:38 <acidfoo> airdamien, i like the "open" and "hackable" part of the video... talking about the "blue" board =)
Apr 23 00:29:42 <acidfoo> but... what about the new board :P
Apr 23 00:30:16 <airdamien> serial console and the image is on mmc
Apr 23 00:30:34 <airdamien> from there you can open it up and do anything
Apr 23 00:30:47 <acidfoo> cool
Apr 23 00:30:48 <airdamien> pretty much none of our customers cared about the pins
Apr 23 00:31:24 <airdamien> and I figured if they wanted things like wifi/xbee, they're pretty easily procured through usb dongles
Apr 23 00:31:44 <acidfoo> yeah
Apr 23 00:33:48 <airdamien> btw, it's running Arch Linux
Apr 23 00:34:00 <acidfoo> :)
Apr 23 00:34:07 <airdamien> really easy to switch between root fs images
Apr 23 00:34:12 <calculus> so it has dual gigabit and acts as hotspot?
Apr 23 00:34:42 <airdamien> no wireless onboard, can add wifi dongles and the sw packages
Apr 23 00:44:59 <rmull> Hey, can any one comment on the state of the 3D engine of the beaglebone black? Is it a binary blob?
Apr 23 00:47:21 <calculus> rmull: more than likely it will be a blob
Apr 23 00:54:40 <rmull> calculus: okay, thanks.
Apr 23 00:55:16 <rbarris> I'm curious about the new BeagleBone-Black and the existing LCD3 cape from CircuitCo - do they work together?  It wasn't clear to me whether the adoption of on-board HDMI would create any problems.
Apr 23 00:55:40 <calculus> I think the news of no binary blob would make headlines if that were the case
Apr 23 00:55:40 <mru> you can't use both iiuc
Apr 23 00:56:12 <rbarris> OK.  The followup question would be, does the existing LCD3 cape work if HDMI is not plugged.
Apr 23 00:56:27 <ds2> don't see why not unless the HDMI framer is F'ed or the LCD board is poorly designed
Apr 23 00:56:52 <ds2> if we could only have the datasheet of the framer to confirm....
Apr 23 00:58:46 <vvu> has anybody succeeded in statically linking a binary that needs libusb ?
Apr 23 00:59:56 <mru> ds2: could be a pinmux thing
Apr 23 01:00:14 <airdamien> http://www.nxp.com/products/interface_and_connectivity/hdmi/hdmi_transmitters/TDA19988BHN.html#ordering
Apr 23 01:01:03 <airdamien> I think that's the framer ic
Apr 23 01:01:43 <airdamien> OOOooo cec control
Apr 23 01:04:27 <tb01110100> Good night.
Apr 23 01:25:08 <noobish_> holly shizzlefitzgerald! when is beaglebone black going on sale?
Apr 23 01:42:05 <rbarris> I pre-reg'd on element14/newark and put my order in today FWIW
Apr 23 02:26:16 <shapr> Greetings, I just read the ars technica article, but I don't see a purchase link on beagleboard.org, will the link be up tomorrow? Are they sold out?
Apr 23 02:26:34 <shapr> Oh, let me add context.. I'd like to purchase a BeagleBone Black
Apr 23 02:27:27 <crashovrd> my guess is both
Apr 23 02:27:34 <crashovrd> they go on sale tomorrow and are sold out
Apr 23 02:27:37 <shapr> oh, that's sad.
Apr 23 02:28:40 <crashovrd> dont frown, its always possible that someone who bought one could be abducted by aliens and you could have theirs
Apr 23 02:29:02 <shapr> Hm, seems unlikely, but ... sure.
Apr 23 02:30:03 <crashovrd> http://www.mouser.com/new/beagleboardorg/beagleboneblack/
Apr 23 02:30:09 <crashovrd> did u try them?
Apr 23 02:30:43 <crashovrd> says 7 weeks lead time
Apr 23 02:31:10 <shapr> dang
Apr 23 02:31:43 <crashovrd> the first run of anything these days goes to ebay
Apr 23 02:32:03 <shapr> oh right, scalpers
Apr 23 02:33:45 * mranostay ebays his pre-release samples :P
Apr 23 02:40:56 <noobish_> beaglebone black is pin compatible (besides battery port) right?
Apr 23 02:41:11 <noobish_> i saw that in the presentation a while back, but don't see it on the ti page.
Apr 23 02:41:18 <mranostay> yes
Apr 23 02:41:45 <mranostay> you'll probably have to air solder the PMIC header for any 'legacy' capes
Apr 23 02:44:28 <noobish_> sweet sauce
Apr 23 02:44:45 <shapr> What's the PRU in the black?
Apr 23 02:48:29 <mranostay> shapr: it was is in the classic
Apr 23 02:49:25 <noobish_> the wiki says the mmc1 that go to the header are used...which ones? Most can be muxed to multiple pins on the header.
Apr 23 02:51:17 <noobish_> "Do not use these signals for anything else will trying to use the other eMMC1 lines on the expansion header."
Apr 23 02:51:21 <noobish_> engrish is hard derp
Apr 23 02:53:04 <crashovrd> all your eMMC signal are belong to us
Apr 23 02:55:38 <mranostay> not drunk enough to read it
Apr 23 02:55:45 <noobish_> well crap...my cape wont work.
Apr 23 02:57:52 <noobish_> can't tie mmc down, cause pru is using that
Apr 23 02:58:08 <noobish_> can't just move to other pru pins cause they're all sysboot.
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