**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 27 02:59:58 2013 Apr 27 03:00:23 i think the only thing that'll stir up more emotion than a religios argument is an android vs ios argument. Apr 27 03:01:05 beaglebone seems cute Apr 27 03:04:17 *religious lol. wtf. Apr 27 03:04:37 ketas, i stuffed mine into a teddy bear, so it's cute and huggable. Apr 27 03:05:22 "openfurby"? Apr 27 03:06:46 lol I think it's a mental game Apr 27 03:06:51 competition Apr 27 03:07:23 tends to suspend common sense in a lot of cases Apr 27 03:09:07 or, it's just that some percentage of any population has crazies. Apr 27 03:09:16 and they're posting tonight. Apr 27 03:09:52 at $35 i consider the device disposable. Im not gonna cry if something better comes out a day/week/month/year after i bought it Apr 27 03:10:26 so i think the fanboi-ism is misguided and/or misplaced Apr 27 03:11:08 at $35, i'm going to assume it's near the bottom in terms of raw technological might. Apr 27 03:11:42 it does video REALLY well Apr 27 03:11:50 cant stress that point enough Apr 27 03:11:51 :) Apr 27 03:11:56 REALLY! well Apr 27 03:12:00 does "once you go black, you can't go back" apply to beaglebone? Apr 27 03:12:00 wait, how well? Apr 27 03:12:07 but it was kind of designed for that Apr 27 03:12:18 hdmi1.4 Apr 27 03:12:19 cec Apr 27 03:12:30 1080p/60+ decode/encode h264 Apr 27 03:12:36 3d tv support Apr 27 03:13:27 3d tv? wouldn't that mean 1080p/120Hz? Apr 27 03:13:42 at what bitrate!? Apr 27 03:13:51 nope, there are side by side modes Apr 27 03:13:55 and top/bottom Apr 27 03:14:11 eww Apr 27 03:14:22 i have no idea what bitrate it maxes at Apr 27 03:14:35 but its just stupidly fast from all the testing i have done Apr 27 03:15:11 the RPi is actually 2 processors. the arm and the videocore Apr 27 03:15:22 the videocore (GPU) actually boots the system Apr 27 03:15:23 wait, so is all 3d tv side by side or top/bottom? Apr 27 03:15:57 iirc, hdmi1.4 specifies frame interleaving too Apr 27 03:16:06 what about 1080p/50Hz for independent 24fps Apr 27 03:17:10 if its a mode in hdmi 1.4, then the pi supports it Apr 27 03:17:19 i guess top/bottom makes sense. detail will be mostly the some with horizontal displacement. Apr 27 03:17:25 err..interlace. Apr 27 03:17:35 i'm just wondering about 3d tv in general, not pi. Apr 27 03:17:46 gpu boots the system? Apr 27 03:17:52 sounds so wrong Apr 27 03:18:07 the videocore is a stand alone cpu/gpu Apr 27 03:18:07 why? a processor is a processor. Apr 27 03:18:21 there are phones out there using it without the ARM Apr 27 03:18:55 so, if you're not using the video stuff, can you use the gpu as a second processor? Apr 27 03:19:06 if you have the tools Apr 27 03:19:19 they are NDA though Apr 27 03:19:32 so u have to be a broadcom customer Apr 27 03:19:55 is broadcom only weird manufacturer in embedded world? Apr 27 03:19:56 it does 16x16 SIMD apparently Apr 27 03:19:58 does linux support multiple different cores yet? Apr 27 03:20:02 i know it's in the works. Apr 27 03:20:15 never seen horizontal/vertical SIMD before Apr 27 03:24:32 no worse then the DSP booting the system Apr 27 03:44:01 hello all Apr 27 03:54:48 Hey there. Apr 27 05:39:25 Hello. Can iPad charger be used to power up beaglebone? Apr 27 05:40:14 probably Apr 27 05:40:39 I'd prefer to use a regular 5V power supply with barrel connector Apr 27 05:56:05 Is there any performance impact when power up via USB instead of barrel connector? Apr 27 06:04:57 I don't remember for sure, but yes probably Apr 27 06:09:03 sharma: it can be. Apr 27 08:24:22 <_av500_> ahoi Apr 27 08:25:27 _av500_: moin moin Apr 27 10:56:53 Hey everyone. Is there somebody who can run 'openssl speed aes-256-cbc' on a beaglebone black for me? Apr 27 10:57:32 i can. Apr 27 10:58:41 That would be nice! Apr 27 11:02:30 why? Apr 27 11:02:59 So I can compare the aes-256 performance to that of the raspi Apr 27 11:20:02 aes-256 cbc 8616.12k 9155.76k 9209.34k 9266.00k 9243.31k Apr 27 11:20:06 from a dual a9 Apr 27 11:20:18 aes-256 cbc 11922.16k 12921.45k 11893.04k 12586.64k 13154.09k Apr 27 11:20:21 single a8 Apr 27 11:20:37 what does r-pi say? Apr 27 11:21:26 interesting the a8 is "faster" Apr 27 11:21:51 likely due to clocking Apr 27 11:22:00 neither of these is a bnie though Apr 27 11:29:50 rapi: aes-256 cbc 14065.19k 15722.46k 15989.25k 16122.69k 16039.94k Apr 27 11:41:12 Crofton: did openssl speed -evp aes256 -multi 2 ? dual-core isn't used by openssl otherwise Apr 27 11:47:36 that helps :) Apr 27 11:48:37 I wonder if there are hw accelerators involved Apr 27 11:51:14 <_av500_> they dont want us to know Apr 27 12:05:18 hmm, i wonder when i will be having my bbb now Apr 27 12:13:35 a15: aes-256 cbc 84027.42k 86509.89k 87969.71k 88329.90k 88282.45k Apr 27 12:20:51 a9: aes-256 cbc 44946.66k 46665.13k 47408.64k 47581.18k 47625.56k Apr 27 12:20:54 both dual Apr 27 12:23:12 a15 looks about 2x faster Apr 27 12:23:36 a9 is 1.2GHz, a15 1.7GHz Apr 27 12:24:11 <_av500_> mru: how much does the i7 reach? Apr 27 12:24:15 for the heck of it- Apr 27 12:24:25 AMD Opteron 1218, dual core: aes-256 cbc 104269.95k 111390.81k 113444.01k 274726.23k 276668.42k Apr 27 12:24:34 mru: have you just got some a15 hardware? Apr 27 12:24:36 (2.2GHz) Apr 27 12:24:43 <_av500_> ssvb: chromebook Apr 27 12:24:46 ssvb: chromebook Apr 27 12:25:03 the emphasis was on *just* :) Apr 27 12:25:17 I've had it a couple of weekss Apr 27 12:26:10 <_av500_> toner is empty, I need as new printer :( Apr 27 12:26:13 <_av500_> -s Apr 27 12:27:27 laptop i7 (ivy bridge): aes-256 cbc 341259.88k 362445.12k 369232.90k 371076.10k 371509.93k Apr 27 12:27:33 erp lol, my opteron is 2.6GHz not 2.2 Apr 27 12:27:52 a15 is a nice processor, with a really observable out of order instructions execution Apr 27 12:27:53 that's with -multi 8 Apr 27 12:28:42 does openssl use avx? Apr 27 12:30:46 and a8: aes-256 cbc 24155.27k 25788.74k 26511.45k 26702.17k 26755.07k Apr 27 12:30:59 1GHz Apr 27 12:31:23 Crofton|work: what a8 did you run that on? Apr 27 12:31:33 overo Apr 27 12:31:43 3730 Apr 27 12:31:53 beagle-xm here Apr 27 12:32:06 so how come mine's twice as fast? Apr 27 12:32:13 dunno Apr 27 12:32:26 if the numbers are symmetrical it usually isn't being helped by hardware (except on x86* where AES is part of the ISA) Apr 27 12:32:38 i.e. for varying packets sizes the same performance Apr 27 12:32:52 gcc-4.5 I think Apr 27 12:32:59 4.7 here Apr 27 12:33:09 example -> 1252.76k 5035.73k 20052.14k 79539.20k 363457.19k for an accelerated powerpc Apr 27 12:33:50 and it'll also give insane unrealistic numbers if openssl isn't run with -elapsed :) Apr 27 12:34:11 because it's offloaded and it almost doesn't use any cpu time Apr 27 12:34:51 Does the bb have a hardware accelerated aes feature? Apr 27 12:35:00 (enabled via -evp) Apr 27 12:35:26 the kernel needs patching or extra modules for openssl to use the hardware crypto Apr 27 12:35:55 http://cryptodev-linux.org/ or http://sourceforge.net/projects/ocf-linux/ Apr 27 12:36:20 mru, Crofton: some distros may be not enabling assembly optimizations in openssl - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1042162 Apr 27 12:36:42 some meaning ubuntu? Apr 27 12:37:36 it should be already fixed in ubuntu, not so sure about debian Apr 27 12:37:59 openssl for arm only has optimizations for v4+ so it should be default Apr 27 12:38:20 lol, welcome to the real world :) Apr 27 12:38:38 it helps in any other superior ARM, but hey, some people might want v3 compatibility :) Apr 27 12:38:48 ssvb: don't you mean the warped ubuntu world? Apr 27 12:39:49 So whats the "final" performance on the beaglebone? Apr 27 12:40:16 Cause the first value posted was actually slower than the rpi Apr 27 12:40:31 that would be suspect :) Apr 27 12:40:41 I'll have to poke at tsome things Apr 27 12:41:04 the beagle-xm numbers shouldn't be too far off Apr 27 12:41:52 mru: meaning that we can't assume that something is guaranteed to be properly done just because it is obvious Apr 27 12:42:19 I always assume things will be fucked up Apr 27 12:42:36 ok time to finish the cryptodev-linux integration in buildroot :) Apr 27 12:43:05 the 3730 memory interface is quite different from the 335x though Apr 27 12:43:15 don't know how memory-bound that benchmark is Apr 27 12:48:14 "engineering is simply applied sarcasm" Apr 27 13:31:57 have I ever mentioned I hate dlna? Apr 27 13:33:33 if not, you probably should again, just to make sure Apr 27 13:33:50 mru: you're not alone btw Apr 27 13:34:38 right now I'm mostly hating that it only works on a single subnet Apr 27 13:34:44 how fucking retarded is that? Apr 27 13:36:04 I hate the fact that they hand picked the weirdest and most confusing words ever to name 'client' and 'server' Apr 27 13:36:11 that too Apr 27 13:39:30 if I want to use it, I suppose I'll have to rearrange my network into some even more convoluted topology Apr 27 13:40:08 mru: or deploy IPv6 maybe Apr 27 13:40:23 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/cUkDNg Apr 27 13:40:23 kernel/3.8 3d4a1a4 Koen Kooi: 3.8: update to 3.8.10... Apr 27 13:40:32 I don't think the gadgets I'd want to use with it support ipv6 Apr 27 13:40:43 and that still wouldn't solve the single subnet problem Apr 27 13:41:25 but I can set up vlan for the media stuff and bridge it to the wifi Apr 27 13:41:51 koen: hi, are you around? Apr 27 13:42:28 might be a good idea to firewall off the commercial devices anyway Apr 27 13:43:13 I set up ipv6 at home Apr 27 13:43:34 the fact that I can forget about NAT is nice Apr 27 13:43:44 nat is not the issue here Apr 27 13:44:01 I know, I'm just pitching for ipv6 :) Apr 27 13:44:06 I have a public /29 ipv4 subnet should it come to that Apr 27 14:11:05 koen, i branched off your meta-sigrok github repo and wanted to ask you if you had any more plans with it. Thanks in advanced Apr 27 15:00:29 Squix: Is sigrok working OK these days? When I tried it a year ago it was still early days and it was badly broken, so I'm still using the original OBLS software. Apr 27 15:00:55 fiola, bout to have a milestone release Apr 27 15:01:02 Oh neat Apr 27 15:01:16 still has its bugs but iam quite pleased with the work Apr 27 15:01:31 Time to give it a try then. Apr 27 15:01:41 hop on #sigrok for more info if needed Apr 27 15:01:51 Thanks Apr 27 15:01:54 np Apr 27 15:10:29 Good morning beagleboard! Apr 27 15:12:05 * Squix hides his raspberry pi Apr 27 15:16:25 Hello Beagleboard members - it's a great day to help GSoC applicants! Apr 27 15:17:10 koen: have you had a chance to see vmayoral 's application for ROS? Apr 27 16:13:24 hi guys. is there a working port of XBMC for a beagleboard yet ? Apr 27 16:13:37 there has been for a while. Apr 27 16:13:44 opkg install xbmc Apr 27 16:14:56 nice. how about a image that boots straight into it ? Apr 27 16:17:08 something like this would be cool: http://www.raspbmc.com/ Apr 27 16:18:02 * mru thought beagle was intended for tinkerers Apr 27 16:18:43 we could put it to other uses :) Apr 27 16:19:08 mru: xbmc fans show up everywhere Apr 27 16:19:46 I guess it's because nobody ever sold a ~50$ xbmc box Apr 27 16:21:20 i just want to watch movies on my beaglebone ;) Apr 27 16:21:47 hopefully <720p movies. Apr 27 16:21:58 XBMC can make it a gateway tinkering device Apr 27 16:22:11 oHm2: +1 Apr 27 16:23:13 just like RPi has drawn in a lot of people like myself that have learned a great deal by having the end goal of a XBMC media center. Apr 27 16:24:24 cwicks: I'll go through the applications tomorrow Apr 27 16:27:28 so the BBBlack generally won't do 720p with its GPU? Apr 27 16:27:35 (or am I reading that wrong) Apr 27 16:29:37 woohoo my BBB's are "out for delivery" Apr 27 16:30:28 or are they out on devilry? Apr 27 16:31:02 hmm would have to port BSD over for that Apr 27 16:31:17 hasn't that been done? Apr 27 16:31:38 has it? Apr 27 16:31:46 that might be a good thing to tinker with on my 2nd one :) Apr 27 16:36:31 <_av500_> Spirilis: the GPU does not do video Apr 27 16:36:36 <_av500_> its different from the rpi Apr 27 16:36:47 <_av500_> in short: no xbmc on bone Apr 27 16:36:59 <_av500_> if you want a media center, move along Apr 27 16:39:34 gotcha Apr 27 16:39:41 yeah I didn't buy it for video :-) Apr 27 16:40:03 there are any number of cheap boards capable of playing video Apr 27 16:40:14 How is the OpenCV performance on the black? Apr 27 16:40:27 a coworker is interested in a media center though so I'll have to tell him to just roll with the RPi Apr 27 16:40:41 I wouldn't tell him _that_ Apr 27 16:40:59 allwinner or exynos would be better choices Apr 27 16:41:16 well he already has one (but hasn't yet integrated it into his video setup @ home yet), that's why I'm saying :) Apr 27 16:41:32 I think my hype about the BBB was getting him interested in ditching his rpi Apr 27 16:44:08 so yeah generally speaking, the BBB's video decoding is wholly dependent on the CPU, video won't help too much? but the GPU can do 3D Apr 27 16:44:26 er s/video won't help/GPU won't help/ Apr 27 16:44:37 3D and OpenCV anyway Apr 27 16:45:23 jkridner|work seems to be on a roll Apr 27 16:45:32 :-) Apr 27 16:45:40 got on a plane and finally booted my computer... Apr 27 16:45:47 although I need to shut down any second. Apr 27 16:46:25 ptan: I find the OpenCV performance to be "quite nice". I think you should provide some benchmark if you want to know anything more useful. Apr 27 17:48:08 hi emeb_mac ! Apr 27 17:48:20 Hello, mranostay Apr 27 18:01:00 So, there's a beagle-gsoc channel, but nobody ever responds. :-p Apr 27 18:05:55 i wonder what kind of esd protection i need when connecting "antennas" (you know, all wires) to beaglebone io pins... likely this could cause circuit inside soc to fail, resulting (partially) useless device Apr 27 18:07:51 Hey, are there any gsoc mentors hanging around here? beagle-gsoc is dead. Apr 27 18:08:10 i suppose i am one Apr 27 18:09:38 mranostay: lol, you suppose? :-p Apr 27 18:10:00 Sounds reluctant. :-) Apr 27 18:10:15 never commit to anything is my motto :) Apr 27 18:10:33 I'll subscribe to that Apr 27 18:10:41 but don't count on it Apr 27 18:10:45 +1 Apr 27 18:10:56 tsquar3d: you the last post on the list by chance? Apr 27 18:11:16 lol.. won't tell your significant other that, I promise. Apr 27 18:11:31 what SO? Apr 27 18:11:33 Last post in the list? Apr 27 18:12:50 ... don't follow. :-/ Apr 27 18:14:10 mranostay: Apr 27 18:14:18 ^^^ Apr 27 18:25:49 I am not sure if I talked to you yesterday, mranostay (I think mru was here) but I had an idea for a gsoc about using the beaglebone as an all-in-one data aquisition/analysis/visualization module. :-) Apr 27 18:28:10 i was drunk likely Apr 27 18:28:31 tsquar3d: what sort of data? Apr 27 18:28:57 mranostay: Any sort of data that you have a sensor for. Apr 27 18:29:22 is nodejs getting involved?.. ) Apr 27 18:29:34 mranostay: It very well could. :-) Apr 27 18:29:38 gawd Apr 27 18:29:56 mru: you see jkridner is corrupting the youth Apr 27 18:30:05 gawd = good or gawd = "oh.. my ... gawd" Apr 27 18:30:52 mranostay: indeed he is Apr 27 18:31:10 I haven't spoken with jkridner Apr 27 18:31:58 Anyhow, as an undergrad I was a physics major -- and we used NI's DAQ and -- gah -- LabView for this sort of thing. Apr 27 18:32:17 It was stupid expensive and stupid -- err -- stupid. Apr 27 18:32:57 Anyhow, the beaglebone could be a great cheap alternative if only it had a sexy software suite for this sort of thing built in. ;-) Apr 27 18:33:54 -- that is, of course, if raspberry pi doesn't beat you to it first -- which, given how much they've taken off in schools in the UK and how they are slowly creeping over to North America, you could very well be facing that reality. :-/ Apr 27 18:36:00 * mranostay looks for beer Apr 27 18:36:08 <_av500_> this is not about beating anybody to anything Apr 27 18:36:24 * mranostay beats _av500_ Apr 27 18:36:34 <_av500_> mranostay: let me remember this Apr 27 18:38:47 _av500_: so you are into Nikon or Canon cameras? :) Apr 27 18:39:03 Are you sure, _av500_ ? Because, let's face it, educators love buzz-words. If RPI becomes the buzzword for data acquisition, universities won't look twice at an alternative. ;-) Apr 27 18:39:34 I've spent the last two years doing my masters research with educators... that's how they work. Apr 27 18:40:31 * ogra_ thought he saw _av500_ with a contaflex at linuxtag ... (years ago) Apr 27 18:41:51 ogra_: pics or it didn't happen Apr 27 18:42:41 haha Apr 27 18:43:04 So, would anyone be interested in mentoring a graduate student in creating a data aqusition / analysis / visualization suite for the beaglebone? Apr 27 18:43:05 :-) Apr 27 18:44:26 have you written a prosposal? Apr 27 18:45:51 mranostay: Working on it. ;-) Apr 27 18:46:33 mranostay: I've been told that I should be sure to have a mentor interested upon submission. Apr 27 18:49:56 tsquar3d: have you looked at sigrok? Apr 27 18:50:07 and/or iio? Apr 27 18:51:00 koen: Are these people or projects? Apr 27 18:51:26 Ah.. n, Apr 27 18:51:28 nm Apr 27 18:51:34 Sorry, I know what you're talking about. Apr 27 18:53:18 I am looking to create something tailored exactly to the beaglebone -- and perhaps something that supports 3D visualization -- Blender, perhaps. :-) Apr 27 19:06:54 So, mranostay, what do you think? Apr 27 19:44:50 Is anyone else having redirect loop issues with GateOne on the BeagleBone Black? Apr 27 20:15:22 Just got my beagle black and on my screen is been saying automatically logging in for the last 5 mins Apr 27 20:15:34 Is this normal Apr 27 20:16:20 normality is an illusion Apr 27 20:17:48 Yeah Apr 27 20:20:02 My question still stands Apr 27 20:20:47 ahh the fresh smell of a new root command prompt Apr 27 20:22:01 Grr... it is so hard to get a hold of a beaglebone in the UK Apr 27 20:22:32 * mru has one :) Apr 27 20:22:41 limited edition A4 Apr 27 20:22:46 mru: You're in the UK I take it? Apr 27 20:22:50 I am Apr 27 20:23:02 lol... my empathy to you, sir. Apr 27 20:23:07 Or maam. Apr 27 20:23:21 I'm right on the edge of it though Apr 27 20:23:26 southampton Apr 27 20:23:58 Yeah.. West Midlands here -- born and raised in USA, though. Apr 27 20:24:10 where in the US? Apr 27 20:24:23 Wisconsin Apr 27 20:25:02 never been Apr 27 20:25:16 Cold. Dry. Apr 27 20:25:20 That's all you need to know. Apr 27 20:25:47 Apparently the snow just finally melted there. :-p Apr 27 20:25:54 I know where it is on a map Apr 27 20:26:36 had a puzzle map of the usa as a kid Apr 27 20:26:43 (dad's american) Apr 27 20:26:53 That has to be interesting. Apr 27 20:27:34 ... your dad being American, that is. Apr 27 20:27:47 my dad is American. :) Apr 27 20:27:54 (mom's not tho) Apr 27 20:28:06 Both my parents are American :-p Apr 27 20:28:21 ... and so am I. :-p Apr 27 20:28:40 hard to be anything else with those parents Apr 27 20:28:47 I try. Apr 27 20:29:06 depends a bit on where you grew up I suppose Apr 27 20:29:10 According to some, I'm not a "natural born citizen" since both folks aren't. Apr 27 20:29:39 I don't see why it should matter whatsoever where you're born Apr 27 20:29:46 Good thing I wasn't born in Hawaii... Apr 27 20:30:04 you don't want to be president? Apr 27 20:30:08 Well, I am a natural born citizen (American), but I am on a visa in the UK -- afterwards I'll be living in Canada. :-D Apr 27 20:30:42 Wife's family is Canadian. Apr 27 20:30:46 mru: do you have US citizenship? Apr 27 20:30:49 yes Apr 27 20:31:10 mru: Dual-citizenship, then? Apr 27 20:31:21 yes Apr 27 20:31:36 never quite understood how that works. Apr 27 20:31:52 Cool.. hopefully you started out with a British citizenship, because it's a real pain getting one. :-p Apr 27 20:32:03 emeb: What part? Apr 27 20:32:14 my other nationality is swedish Apr 27 20:32:15 tsquar3d: dual-citizenship. Apr 27 20:32:26 Yeah, which part of dual-citizenship? Apr 27 20:32:40 mru: GAH! THE PAPERWORK!!!! THE PAPERWORK!!!!!! Apr 27 20:32:59 swedish is better than british in some ways Apr 27 20:33:02 to the team who made this thing, excellent work guys! Apr 27 20:33:32 e.g. cheaper visa to china, should you wish to travel there Apr 27 20:33:38 * mrpackethead is a citizen of the world Apr 27 20:34:09 mru: i dont' need visa to go to china Apr 27 20:34:15 they let some people in and out without issue :=) Apr 27 20:34:42 Well, you don't need a visa, just a passport. Apr 27 20:35:01 for places like shenzhen they issue an insta-visa at the border Apr 27 20:36:06 And if you are a european citizen it's open borders. Apr 27 20:36:24 ... err... not to china.. but to the rest of europe... Apr 27 20:36:24 Yea. Apr 27 20:36:43 yes, the eu is open to all Apr 27 20:37:29 Yeah, I'd say of all the places I've been (which really isn't that many) the US is the hardest to get into. Apr 27 20:38:40 Is there a good reason why this beaglebone is so spendy? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BB-BONE-000-Circuitco-Kit-Dev-Beaglebone-Cortex-A8-/360622972815?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item53f6cddf8f Apr 27 20:39:36 no idea Apr 27 20:39:41 why would you buy one off ebay? Apr 27 20:40:08 mru: Because I don't know where else in the UK to get one. Apr 27 20:40:18 element14/farnell Apr 27 20:40:25 I suppose I could order from adafruit and wait forever for it to come from the states. Apr 27 20:40:51 Ah.. yes. Apr 27 20:40:52 Derp. Apr 27 20:42:38 ... although if I get a gsoc position they provide you with a black edition, right? Apr 27 20:42:56 ... cuz I've been thinking about ordering one. Apr 27 20:44:48 Gah.. but fresnel will not have them until june! :-( Apr 27 20:45:05 don't believe the estimates Apr 27 20:46:13 :-/ Apr 27 20:47:41 Maybe I should just get it from Adafruit... at least I know then that it will be here in a week or two or so. Apr 27 20:48:16 Grrr... raspberry pi.... grumble.. Apr 27 20:49:04 Fructose is bad for you. Apr 27 20:49:40 Aaaand out of stock. :-p Apr 27 20:51:12 RPi has never been in stock, not since launch, you're always on the waiting list at the export site, although it's short from Farnell these days. RS still long I think. Apr 27 20:51:50 Using the business site, it might be in stock. Apr 27 20:51:59 I have a RPi. Apr 27 20:52:09 It's kinda rubbish. Apr 27 20:52:21 s/kinda// Apr 27 20:52:57 It's rubbish. Apr 27 20:53:14 Overhyped and selling like hotcakes. Apr 27 20:53:18 I have the original, it's dreadful. Overheats its LAN9512 chip, the USB dies from endpoint exhaustion when you add just 3 devices, and even when it's working, it loses USB events. Bad hardware. Apr 27 20:53:45 yup Apr 27 20:54:13 Yeah.. like I said before, it's become a buzzword with educators and so universities and schools are scooping them up. Apr 27 20:54:58 Well fresnel has the original beaglebone.... but they are £62.57 Apr 27 20:55:44 They're nice, but obviously BBB is better at half the price. Apr 27 20:56:02 * mranostay is back with bleach and beer Apr 27 20:56:19 ... yep. Apr 27 20:56:29 mranostay: mind bleach? Apr 27 20:56:35 Hey mranostay, welcome back... thanks for the beer. Apr 27 20:56:57 * tsquar3d hails from Wisconsin originally... so it'd better be good. Apr 27 20:56:59 * fiola takes the bleach and continues the housework Apr 27 20:57:01 mru: no the spray kind... hoping to get at least some of my deposit back Apr 27 20:58:10 although you could probably spray it in your head Apr 27 20:59:45 ... no stock at uk.mouser.com Apr 27 21:00:51 tsquar3d: You know it's for volume release in early May? You'll be very lucky to find any from the pre-volume release. Apr 27 21:00:53 beeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrr Apr 27 21:01:25 Way to crush my dreams. Apr 27 21:01:43 Maybe someone is selling their BB on ebay at half price. Apr 27 21:02:30 Adafruit is selling them. Apr 27 21:02:42 Or was. Apr 27 21:02:45 lol Apr 27 21:02:49 Yep.. out of stock.. Apr 27 21:02:52 agmlego: they sold out last night Apr 27 21:03:01 Ah. Apr 27 21:03:13 Well, I think I will just wait and see if this gsoc thing goes through. :-) Apr 27 21:03:14 I recommend being patient then. Apr 27 21:03:32 the sooner you order, the sooner you shall receive Apr 27 21:03:49 mru: in theory Apr 27 21:03:59 Speaking of, mranostay, what do you think of my gsoc proposal idea? Apr 27 21:03:59 Love the screenshot on Adafruit with the BBB held in Limor's black-fingernails :-) Apr 27 21:04:19 Indeed. Apr 27 21:04:21 image* Apr 27 21:04:21 one of a kind Apr 27 21:04:27 fiola: I nearly chitted myself when I realized that was a dude's hands. Apr 27 21:04:29 She hasnice nails. Apr 27 21:04:40 tsquar3d: Eh? Apr 27 21:05:13 tsquar3d: Limor Fried is female, last I heard... Apr 27 21:05:17 Oh.. lol... ha ha... Apr 27 21:05:19 Well no reason a guy can't have painted fingernails. Stereotypes are for dweebs. Apr 27 21:05:25 Woops.. wrong person. Apr 27 21:05:52 But I assume in the absence of contrary evidence that it's Limor Apr 27 21:06:00 tsquar3d: You know, Limor Fried, AKA LadyAda, proprietorof Adaf ruit Industries. Apr 27 21:06:13 this channel is getting close to public shaming zone Apr 27 21:06:13 Wow this along time for the new image from Sd Apr 27 21:06:15 d Apr 27 21:06:16 agmlego: Yeah.. I know of whom you speak. Apr 27 21:06:32 fiola: Torrone does not generally wear nailpolish, and Becky does not usually take product photos. Apr 27 21:07:44 the real question is, what do female cross-dressers wear? Apr 27 21:07:51 agmlego: It was a reasonable guess Apr 27 21:08:01 fiola: I agree. Apr 27 21:08:03 will a case for a bone fit a bone black? Apr 27 21:08:07 Yes. Apr 27 21:08:11 thanks Apr 27 21:08:24 But you will probably want to cutr a hole for the extra ports. Apr 27 21:09:56 I was thinking about this dude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2j_ELN3LnU Apr 27 21:09:59 From sparkfun. Apr 27 21:10:02