**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 30 02:59:58 2013
Apr 30 03:08:33 <ds2> finally something entertaining from microsoft...
Apr 30 03:09:28 <thurbad> oh?
Apr 30 03:14:55 <ds2> their lumina commercial is funny
Apr 30 03:33:30 <BlueNotebook_> Hello, anyone to help out a newbie with GSoC application process?
Apr 30 03:41:20 <ka6sox-away> newbie, weren't we all at one time?
Apr 30 03:41:44 <ka6sox> BlueNotebook_, whatcher questions?
Apr 30 03:47:17 <bluenotebook> I had a few ideas and I wanted to discuss it with someone.
Apr 30 03:47:28 <bluenotebook> Whether they are worthy of a project or not?
Apr 30 03:47:42 <danielmolina> hi
Apr 30 03:47:46 <danielmolina> a question
Apr 30 03:47:46 <bluenotebook> Also, if I it's too late for all of this.
Apr 30 03:48:01 <ka6sox> bluenotebook, its not too late.
Apr 30 03:48:05 <ka6sox> morning danielmolina
Apr 30 03:48:25 <danielmolina> the board BeagleBone Black hav a hard case?
Apr 30 03:48:36 <danielmolina> whi morning
Apr 30 03:49:41 <ka6sox> danielmolina, its just a board.
Apr 30 03:49:50 <ka6sox> but it will fit in a normal Altiods Tin.
Apr 30 03:51:37 <danielmolina> whell, i can purchase an hard case for the board? for example in amazon?
Apr 30 03:54:28 <ka6sox> danielmolina, try Adafruit
Apr 30 03:54:33 <ka6sox> I think they have them.
Apr 30 04:07:39 * masta is porting fedora to the black
Apr 30 04:09:39 <ka6sox> I can't get it to run on my laptop right (FC18)
Apr 30 04:09:51 <masta> lol
Apr 30 04:10:13 <ka6sox> I finally got it working right on FC17
Apr 30 04:10:18 <masta> this is so easy with MLO/u-boot on the eMMC
Apr 30 04:11:03 <ka6sox> just sprinkle pixi dust?
Apr 30 04:11:23 <masta> yea, I guess
Apr 30 04:11:51 <masta> one sec, taking my microSD to the BBB in living room to test boot
Apr 30 04:12:45 * ka6sox looks for mushroom cloud over Masta's Location.
Apr 30 04:14:52 <masta> yeah it didn't work
Apr 30 04:15:10 <masta> oh I know why!
Apr 30 04:15:22 <masta> silly *masta*
Apr 30 04:29:40 * mranostay headbangs in
Apr 30 04:31:07 <ka6sox> morning skippy
Apr 30 04:35:01 <emeb_mac> hi y'all
Apr 30 04:39:56 <Farnarkle> Any way to tell what revision you have a BB when the sticker has worn?
Apr 30 04:40:58 <ds2> read the GPIOs
Apr 30 04:41:40 <Farnarkle> On the circuit board or in software?
Apr 30 04:41:58 <ds2> both
Apr 30 04:42:04 <ds2> the GPIOs are wired up in the board
Apr 30 04:42:10 <ds2> you can read them in SW
Apr 30 04:42:12 <ds2> :)
Apr 30 04:42:19 <ds2> which board is it?
Apr 30 04:42:27 <ds2> Classic, xM, bone, black bone, or?
Apr 30 04:42:30 <Farnarkle> No idea what I'm looking for though :)
Apr 30 04:43:14 <Farnarkle> It was ordered/shipped 19 sep 2012, Beaglebone. Got a black today
Apr 30 04:43:32 <ds2> Which one do you want to identify?
Apr 30 04:43:43 <ds2> or you saying your brand new black does not have a revision id?
Apr 30 04:43:49 <Farnarkle> THe old one
Apr 30 04:44:06 <ds2> so which board ist? there are 4 BB's
Apr 30 04:44:31 <kallisti5> <3 my BBlk
Apr 30 04:45:08 <kallisti5> I think I got serial number 0000001
Apr 30 04:45:20 <kallisti5> ordered a day before they went on sale :D
Apr 30 04:45:51 <ds2> but what are you going to do with it?
Apr 30 04:46:05 <Farnarkle> Its not a beagleboard XM etc - it's a bone
Apr 30 04:46:08 <ds2> encase it in lucite and mount it?
Apr 30 04:46:11 <kallisti5> ah.. right
Apr 30 04:46:19 <kallisti5> ds2: maybe :)
Apr 30 04:46:26 <ds2> Farnakle: oh...bone... look at the boot up message. there should be a print out from the EEPROM info
Apr 30 04:46:54 <kallisti5> is jtag exposed anywhere?
Apr 30 04:46:55 <Farnarkle> Ahh - thx DS - figured there'd be something that had it
Apr 30 04:48:06 <Farnarkle> Not sure on JTAG, never used that interface
Apr 30 04:48:30 <kallisti5> Going to do some OS porting at some point... it would help a lot :D
Apr 30 04:48:39 * kallisti5 looks through the reference manual
Apr 30 04:48:47 <ds2> jtag should be available
Apr 30 04:49:02 <ds2> Farnakle: The xM and classics don't have a eeprom
Apr 30 04:50:42 <Farnarkle> You're refering to the pre-black units as classics?
Apr 30 04:52:51 <kallisti5> hm.. the Block layout in the manual says "Jtag (no pop)"
Apr 30 04:52:54 <kallisti5> that doesn't sound good
Apr 30 04:53:24 <kallisti5> aah.
Apr 30 04:54:17 <kallisti5> "A place for an optional 20 pin CTI JTAG header is provided on the board to facilitate the sw development. A header is not supplied standard on the board."
Apr 30 04:54:54 <kallisti5> oh shi... I hope they don't mean P2
Apr 30 04:55:26 <Farnarkle> I do see in the boot up message on the terminal that GPIO 54, 55 & 56 are "1" that help?
Apr 30 04:56:39 <kallisti5> http://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/DSCN1048_l.jpg
Apr 30 04:56:42 <kallisti5> dangit
Apr 30 04:56:59 <kallisti5> looks like i'll be debugging with u-boot tftp only :)
Apr 30 05:01:04 <swyphcosmo> anyone know where the analog input files are on the new bone black? the files on the original bone were at /sys/devices/platform/omap/tsc/ain#, but those files don't exist
Apr 30 05:05:22 <Farnarkle> Guessing my old one is an A^ version - the date on the SD card matches the date found here for the image. http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone#Rev_A6A
Apr 30 05:05:34 <Farnarkle> A6 that is
Apr 30 05:06:24 <ds2> A6 isn't that old
Apr 30 05:07:14 <Farnarkle> Nope - but I need to write on it. Now I need to figure out why the LCD7 isn't displaying anyting
Apr 30 05:08:45 <ds2> hmmm
Apr 30 05:09:23 <Farnarkle> Something to do with this message no doubt.... Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel. [    0.106620] pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: prop pinctrl-0 index 0 invalid phandle [    0.223909] omap2_mbox_probe: platform not supported [    0.494885] tps65217-bl tps65217-bl: no platform data provided [    0.602599] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.7: slot #1: No cape found [    0.639707] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.7: slot #2: No cape foun
Apr 30 05:10:00 <Farnarkle> [   14.365721] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.7: failed to load firmware 'BB-BONE-LCD7-01-00A3.dtbo'
Apr 30 05:12:15 <masta> hey does the new black do serial over usb?
Apr 30 05:19:13 <Farnarkle> Life quit - work in the morning
Apr 30 05:29:53 <av500> masta: no
Apr 30 05:30:00 <av500> serial is on the 6pin header
Apr 30 05:41:11 <masta> av500: otay, so I'll just learn how to make  a cable  or whatever
Apr 30 05:41:17 <masta> av500: ty
Apr 30 05:42:09 <av500> masta: the 6 pin header fits the FTDI usb cables
Apr 30 05:42:14 <av500> from sparkfun or others
Apr 30 05:44:41 <masta> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9717
Apr 30 05:44:49 <masta> av500: that ^^
Apr 30 05:44:52 <masta> ??
Apr 30 05:46:32 <masta> I'd like to try and make one myself, save $17.95+shipping
Apr 30 05:48:28 * mranostay yawns
Apr 30 05:48:33 * mranostay yawns directly at av500 
Apr 30 05:50:32 <masta> http://letsmakerobots.com/node/23728
Apr 30 05:53:58 <av500> mranostay: +1
Apr 30 05:54:26 <av500> masta: as long as it is 3.3V
Apr 30 05:54:39 <masta> av500: oh!
Apr 30 05:54:56 <ka6sox> morning av500
Apr 30 05:55:10 <masta> av500: http://www.ebay.com/itm/FTDI-Basic-6-PIN-3-3-5V-For-Arduino-Free-USB-Cable-/230820610037
Apr 30 05:55:48 <av500> yes
Apr 30 05:55:49 <masta> av500: might I ask what you have used for this kind  of thing? I've never  used a FTDI before...
Apr 30 05:55:52 <av500> hi ka6sox
Apr 30 05:56:01 <av500> masta: some FTDI from sparkfun
Apr 30 05:56:05 <av500> FTDI basic
Apr 30 05:56:08 <masta> otay
Apr 30 05:56:13 <av500> FTDI is fine
Apr 30 05:56:18 <ds2> or just use a ez430 programmer
Apr 30 05:56:24 <av500> stay away from Prolific
Apr 30 05:56:36 <av500> ds2: or a steady hand
Apr 30 05:57:15 <masta> sparkfun looks  so expensive =(
Apr 30 05:59:09 <mranostay> av500: what is wrong with prolific?
Apr 30 05:59:22 <masta> welp... my wife once said that a  woman will spend $1 for a $2 item (on discount) she doesn't need, and a man will spend $2 on a $1 item he requires right now.
Apr 30 05:59:22 <av500> masta: then pick any other
Apr 30 06:01:32 <ka6sox> masta +1
Apr 30 06:04:08 <thweber> win 2
Apr 30 06:04:28 <av500> lose 1
Apr 30 06:05:23 <masta> av500: you got the cable or the basic breakout ?
Apr 30 06:07:33 <av500> basic
Apr 30 06:08:37 <ds2> just use whatever cable you have
Apr 30 06:08:44 <ds2> no need to order anything special
Apr 30 06:08:59 <masta> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873
Apr 30 06:09:31 <av500> ah wait
Apr 30 06:09:37 <av500> that one does not fit I think
Apr 30 06:09:41 <av500> they fucked the basic up
Apr 30 06:09:46 <av500> the old one had solder holes
Apr 30 06:10:24 <av500> this one collides with the cape connector
Apr 30 06:10:50 <masta> yep, will have to make a  wire regardless
Apr 30 06:15:29 <tasslehoff> what already existing "mechanism" can give me an image/color on screen fastest after the kernel boots? I know of the kernel boot logo and psplash (none of which works for me).
Apr 30 06:15:51 * tasslehoff continues the hunt for purrty startup
Apr 30 06:16:14 <av500> why would boot logo not work?
Apr 30 06:16:22 <av500> we did that on omap3
Apr 30 06:16:36 <av500> even with clean handover between boot loader and kernel
Apr 30 06:18:17 <tasslehoff> av500: that is what I'm debugging now. I've enabled LOGO_LINUX_224 and rebuilt, but all is black.
Apr 30 06:20:05 <tasslehoff> we managed to setup the dsi pll in u-boot, so we can do a clean handover if we bother with it. I hope it takes < 3s to get the kernel logo up there, and that may be fast enough.
Apr 30 06:22:11 <av500> it worked nicely on 2.6.22 :)
Apr 30 06:32:05 <WeAre> hi all. i am looking to go with embedded compact 7. I am looking to play constant flash video with some .net cf ui. would you say that beaglebone black is a good place to start?
Apr 30 06:33:14 <av500> no
Apr 30 06:33:43 <mhaberler> re GSoC: " Using BeagleBone PRUs to control CNC and 3D printer stepper motor Drivers" - we do have exactly that in place with LinuxCNC ready to run, so maybe folks have a look here before reinventing the wheel: http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb?p=emc2-dev.git;a=tree;f=configs/pru-examples;h=360d850dd8142ba69f2d3dd8698afd0f7780d1c6;hb=fde5606226ba14d0b033ba6b2310d2c58a296284
Apr 30 06:34:49 <mhaberler> for the node.js Gcode interpreter the crack consumption in the LinuxCNC community isnt hight enough
Apr 30 06:37:25 <ka6sox> emc2 is expecting a certain RT environment that isn't working well in ARM.
Apr 30 06:38:16 <mhaberler> when did you try last? that is history, sorry
Apr 30 06:38:59 <mhaberler> http://static.mah.priv.at/public/beaglebone/starterkit/README.beaglebone-sd
Apr 30 06:40:15 <WeAre> how about flash video in linux?
Apr 30 06:40:25 <mhaberler> plus: you can drive the PRU stepgen just fine from a vanilla kernel build - provided you can deal with the latency in a sane way, but that isnt specific to linuxcnc
Apr 30 06:41:56 <WeAre> with bbb rev a5a how certain that their will be audio over hdmi fix?
Apr 30 06:42:10 <ka6sox> its not latency thats the issue...its predictability.
Apr 30 06:42:32 <ka6sox> and the linux kernel is not optimized for this.
Apr 30 06:42:55 <letothe2nd> ka6sox: umm, depends.
Apr 30 06:43:00 <mhaberler> yes, that's why the stepgen was moved to the PRU. And now?
Apr 30 06:44:04 <ka6sox> mhaberler, there is an implementation but its not open and available.
Apr 30 06:44:09 <letothe2nd> ka6sox: sure, the linux kernel is not that academic provable fail-safe RTOS everybody claims he needs, but once you check reality, linux often fits in quite nicely ;)
Apr 30 06:45:01 <ka6sox> letothe2nd, for slow speeds sure..but when you start pushing it and asking it to do smoothing as well...then it doesn't do that well.
Apr 30 06:45:01 <mhaberler> please read the git repo link I gave above, that isnt Bas' code and it _is_ open and available
Apr 30 06:45:27 <ka6sox> isn't it Xenomai?
Apr 30 06:45:30 <letothe2nd> ka6sox: like i said, it sure depends.
Apr 30 06:45:51 <ka6sox> sorry,
Apr 30 06:45:52 <letothe2nd> ka6sox: (plus, xenomai does also not work too bad on arm ;))
Apr 30 06:46:15 <mhaberler> the stepgen is on the PRU ; the controlling layer can be anything but the best results are with xenomai, yes
Apr 30 06:46:43 <ka6sox> kk.
Apr 30 06:47:53 <mhaberler> that has no bearing on PRU stepgen jitter per se though
Apr 30 06:48:12 <ka6sox> I guess the point isn't to take the Bone ARM processor and turn it into a RT controller but rather to use RT controllers to do that and let the Bone do things like UI and other things.
Apr 30 06:48:27 <mhaberler> whatever
Apr 30 06:48:56 <mhaberler> I have nothing to sell here, so whatever you see fit
Apr 30 06:49:18 <tasslehoff> av500: disabling framebuffer console in defconfig probably didn't help
Apr 30 06:49:32 <mhaberler> all I see is a proposal to reinvent the wheel
Apr 30 06:49:48 <ka6sox> mhaberler, point taken
Apr 30 06:53:37 <ds2> Hmmmm
Apr 30 06:53:42 <ds2> that is an interesting piece of code
Apr 30 06:54:34 <ds2> mhaberler: when did that go in?
Apr 30 06:54:46 <ka6sox> ds2, I'm okay with pulling that down...since its covered.
Apr 30 06:54:53 <mhaberler> over the last six months or so
Apr 30 06:55:34 <ds2> ah
Apr 30 06:55:46 <ka6sox> last year I tried and it wasn't good at all.
Apr 30 06:55:47 <ds2> ka6sox: not like anyone is interested anyways
Apr 30 06:55:52 <mhaberler> you can try the SD image on a BB white and run linuxcnc with the PRU stepgen; BBB doesnt work yet but should so shortly
Apr 30 06:55:54 <ka6sox> ds2, agreed
Apr 30 06:56:04 <ds2> mhaberler: so all the PRU pins are connected to hal now?
Apr 30 06:56:36 <mhaberler> they can; not sure they all are in the current driver
Apr 30 06:56:53 <ds2> mhaberler: what kind of latency are people seeing using the PRU?
Apr 30 06:56:58 <mhaberler> maybe you want to talk to charles@steinkuehler.net, it's his code
Apr 30 06:57:21 <ds2> is he on the linuxcnc channel?
Apr 30 06:57:31 <mhaberler> on the stepgen per se - none worth speaking of ; on the controlling layer 20-30uS
Apr 30 06:57:47 <mhaberler> unfortunately not, but he'll reply for sure
Apr 30 06:57:54 <ds2> I mean as measured by that tool stepconf uses..forgot what that is called
Apr 30 06:58:07 <tasslehoff> av500: so now I have a penguin. is the repo where you do the seamless handover publicly available?
Apr 30 06:58:09 <mhaberler> latency-test?
Apr 30 06:58:14 <ds2> that sounds right
Apr 30 06:58:24 <ds2> trying to compared this to the atom boards
Apr 30 06:58:39 <mhaberler> that measures host thread latency (as per xenomai), it has no bearing on PRU stepgen jitter
Apr 30 06:58:50 <kip3> is anyone having any problems with audio on BBB. rev a5a says no audio. can i just use my cape from my BB white
Apr 30 06:59:01 <ds2> you are right... that is an invalid question since the PRU is an offload
Apr 30 06:59:04 <mhaberler> it impacts the commanded position as handed down to the stepgen as a target
Apr 30 06:59:18 <mhaberler> but it is being worked on for timebase correction
Apr 30 06:59:34 <mhaberler> to take host jitter mostly out of the equation as well
Apr 30 06:59:48 <ds2> how many people have tested that code?
Apr 30 06:59:53 <av500> tasslehoff: yes, but its ancient
Apr 30 06:59:55 <mhaberler> 10-20 or so
Apr 30 06:59:58 <av500> pre-dss2
Apr 30 07:00:07 <ds2> mhaberler: are you on the linuxcnc channel normally?
Apr 30 07:00:11 <mhaberler> yes
Apr 30 07:00:18 <av500> tasslehoff: later we gave up on that, too much hassle
Apr 30 07:00:19 <mhaberler> rather linuxcnc-dev
Apr 30 07:00:23 <ds2> I'll ping you some other time... need to get Z's
Apr 30 07:00:27 <mhaberler> sure
Apr 30 07:00:29 <ds2> Ohhhh 'k
Apr 30 07:00:36 <ds2> this is exciting to hear
Apr 30 07:00:59 <ds2> any idea what kind of rapids are people getting out of this?
Apr 30 07:01:07 <ds2> 60+ IPM?
Apr 30 07:01:22 <mhaberler> 200kHz step rate easily
Apr 30 07:01:53 <ds2> Nice... so for many systems, it'd be controller limited
Apr 30 07:02:06 <mhaberler> well I can give you a rundown what's coming downstream later this year with linuxcnc; we're splitting off RT from UI/non-rt and bb is a good target for rt
Apr 30 07:02:15 <mhaberler> the interface will be zmq+protobuf
Apr 30 07:02:27 <ds2> thought that was done for the FPGA targets?
Apr 30 07:02:57 <ds2> something about using the hal interface to talk to the UI
Apr 30 07:02:58 <mhaberler> Charles and the Mesanet folks are looking into the Altera ARM dualcore/FPGA combo
Apr 30 07:03:14 <ds2> yes, the mesa stuff...couldn't think of the name
Apr 30 07:03:17 <mhaberler> yes, the HAL extensions are in place to support such systems
Apr 30 07:03:43 <ds2> I'd love to try this out later this year on a 2axis machine
Apr 30 07:04:01 <tasslehoff> av500: ok. the logo shows quite early, so perhaps that'll do.
Apr 30 07:04:01 <mhaberler> Charles drives his reprap with it
Apr 30 07:04:22 <ds2> does it work as well as the audriuno controls?
Apr 30 07:04:36 <ds2> IIRC, emc speaks a different dialect then sprinter/marlin
Apr 30 07:05:14 <mhaberler> well thats a bit of a different league.. kinematics, 140 stock modules
Apr 30 07:05:57 <mhaberler> rigth now there is a single motion/tp/kinematics controller module, which covers most needs
Apr 30 07:06:10 <ka6sox> ds2, lets pull it
Apr 30 07:06:15 <mhaberler> there's a better motion controller with infinite lookeahead being worked on
Apr 30 07:06:37 <mhaberler> one of the arduino gcode interps is quite good afaict
Apr 30 07:06:58 <mhaberler> but it isnt a realistic base for non-cartesian machines
Apr 30 07:11:13 <ds2> ka6sox: how about put a note in there to point to this code? that way we don't loose the "history"
Apr 30 07:11:39 <ds2> it is more of the axis mapping
Apr 30 07:11:47 <ds2> like the different ways extruders are handled
Apr 30 07:13:46 <ka6sox> sure...why not
Apr 30 07:23:35 <kip3> is anyone having any problems with audio on BBB. rev a5a says no audio. can i just use my cape from my BB white, is there a fix for it?
Apr 30 07:45:33 <anshu> hey...was trying this Android image from TI on beagle bone...
Apr 30 07:47:35 <anshu> somewhere  during the init process it says "/proc/1/oom_adj is deprecated...
Apr 30 07:47:36 <av500> we wont stop you
Apr 30 07:47:46 <av500> ah
Apr 30 07:47:57 <tasslehoff> How does one disable the framebuffer console but keep the logo these days (after my /etc/inittab was taken away)?
Apr 30 07:48:32 <anshu> and i don't see any /proc/1/oom_adj file in the rootfs image on sd card
Apr 30 07:48:48 <av500> of course not
Apr 30 07:48:54 <av500> proc is a virtual filesystem
Apr 30 07:49:47 * tasslehoff suspects that serial-getty.service is relevant
Apr 30 07:50:09 <av500> anshu: I think you can ignore that
Apr 30 07:50:20 <woglinde> gm av500
Apr 30 07:50:52 <av500> yo
Apr 30 07:53:40 <anshu> and i never get to the android shell
Apr 30 07:54:52 <ka6sox> why did I read that as android hell...too tired
Apr 30 07:54:56 <anshu> further, the wiki page says...."warning" zygote uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use) should be displayed
Apr 30 07:55:01 * tasslehoff read it the same
Apr 30 07:55:28 <ka6sox> tasslehoff, we need more coffee it seems
Apr 30 07:55:35 <anshu> but i get....'dhcpd' uses 32 bit capabilities
Apr 30 07:56:23 <anshu> @av500...any idea
Apr 30 07:57:17 <av500> no
Apr 30 07:57:35 <woglinde> I would not run android on the bone
Apr 30 07:57:40 <woglinde> makes no sense
Apr 30 08:09:00 <fest> hey guys. I'm new to beaglebone, but have some experience with low-end ARM programming. I noticed that BeagleBone Black features "2x 32-bit PRU microcontrollers"- I couldn't find any information on them in beagleboard.org or google for that matter- are there any pointers on what they are, how are they programmed?
Apr 30 08:10:39 <ka6sox> fest, 1 minute
Apr 30 08:10:52 <ka6sox> http://elinux.org/Ti_AM33XX_PRUSSv2
Apr 30 08:12:12 <fest> ka6sox: wow, thanks, that seems to be perfect
Apr 30 08:12:26 <ka6sox> what are you interested in doing with them?
Apr 30 08:13:39 <fest> ka6sox: nothing actually, I just noticed an unknown abbreviation and wanted to know what exactly does it mean
Apr 30 08:14:11 <ka6sox> ah, okay
Apr 30 08:14:19 <fest> ka6sox: haha, and I probably won't be doing anything with them- I'm not an assembly guy :>
Apr 30 08:14:41 <ka6sox> understood...
Apr 30 08:14:51 <ka6sox> maybe someone will write a compiler for them.
Apr 30 08:16:15 <fest> I think someone will, if those controllers get somewhat larger userbase
Apr 30 08:16:29 * av500 wants to run C++ on the PRU
Apr 30 08:16:36 <av500> that should bive it a boost
Apr 30 08:16:38 <av500> give
Apr 30 08:16:47 <woglinde> I want jvm
Apr 30 08:17:03 <ka6sox> 8k of code space could get "interesting" for c++ or jvm.
Apr 30 08:17:09 <woglinde> *g*
Apr 30 08:17:40 <av500> ka6sox: stop confusing us with facts!
Apr 30 08:18:41 <woglinde> right if the managment says we want jvm, you make a jvm
Apr 30 08:19:32 <fest> ka6sox: well, I think it could be useful as option. at least, give us some C :>
Apr 30 08:19:43 <ka6sox> woglinde, I leave that up to YOU!
Apr 30 08:20:08 <ka6sox> just use LLVM and JIT to load it up :)
Apr 30 08:20:29 <ka6sox> new class of devices....SDP
Apr 30 08:25:07 <panto> gm all
Apr 30 08:25:45 <ka6sox> morning panto
Apr 30 08:25:50 <panto> hi ka6sox
Apr 30 08:25:56 <panto> I see the trolling never stops
Apr 30 08:26:00 <panto> good, keep it up :)
Apr 30 08:26:14 <panto> I just seen the pru stepper link
Apr 30 08:26:17 <panto> interesting
Apr 30 08:26:22 <ka6sox> ya
Apr 30 08:26:37 <ka6sox> I wasn't trolling (much)
Apr 30 08:26:58 <woglinde> hi panto
Apr 30 08:27:13 <panto> hi woglinde
Apr 30 08:31:44 <KotH> a wonderfull JIHAD everyone!
Apr 30 08:32:54 <woglinde> gm koth
Apr 30 08:37:00 <tsquar3d-sleep> Morning! I have my gsoc application up -- I just need some feedback and a mentor. :-) https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/tsquar3d/1
Apr 30 08:42:22 <av500> mru: ok, ambilight is boring compared to this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nGGMv9RnJIA#!
Apr 30 08:45:07 <jackmitchell> av500: 2 minutes of that made my brain hurt :(
Apr 30 08:45:28 <jackmitchell> interesting concept, non the less
Apr 30 08:55:09 <tsquar3d> av500: SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY @ illumaroom.
Apr 30 09:14:21 <KotH> tsquar3d: this is neither imgur, reddit nor 4chan
Apr 30 09:14:40 <KotH> tsquar3d: we do not shout and we do not throw money at random projects
Apr 30 09:14:57 <KotH> tsquar3d: instead we drink tea, eat chocolate and give mranostay money to buy beer
Apr 30 09:15:20 <tsquar3d> KotH: lol.. this is IRC -- we do not do enthusiasm.
Apr 30 09:15:49 <tsquar3d> :-|
Apr 30 09:16:09 <KotH> tsquar3d: tsquar3d nah.. it's like modern day american society vs victorian england :-)
Apr 30 09:16:22 <KotH> things are just expressed differently
Apr 30 09:16:36 <KotH> and we are more classy ;-)
Apr 30 09:17:04 <tsquar3d> KotH: I live in England. Lots of shouting. There's a jackhammer going right outside my house right now.
Apr 30 09:17:04 <tsquar3d> :-)
Apr 30 09:17:24 <KotH> jackhammer? at this time of day?
Apr 30 09:17:36 <tsquar3d> It's 10:15 AM.
Apr 30 09:17:43 <KotH> in .ch jackhammers are finished by 10:00 :-)
Apr 30 09:18:22 <tsquar3d> Well, that assumes that people get to working before 10:00. This is England.
Apr 30 09:18:42 <KotH> same here
Apr 30 09:18:46 <KotH> it's like a wakup call
Apr 30 09:19:02 <KotH> "hey! if you are sleeping, you're late!"
Apr 30 09:20:32 <tsquar3d> You get to work at 8. Have a coffee until 9 -- then take a break -- then do a little work from 10-11, and then it's elevensies -- and then lunch -- dick around until 2 -- afternoon coffee, and then have a break until 3. 3-5 you begin to wind down, take another break... and then it's time to go!
Apr 30 09:21:28 <KotH> i think a friend of mine told me about a similar schedule.... in lybanon
Apr 30 09:21:40 <KotH> no wonder your economy has gone down the drain
Apr 30 09:22:24 <tsquar3d> Ha! Well, luckilly it's not MY economy -- I just live here for now.
Apr 30 09:22:52 <tsquar3d> I'm originally from 'Murica! Yeeeeeeehaw.
Apr 30 09:23:15 <KotH> do people call you "a savage"? ;)
Apr 30 09:23:17 <tsquar3d> Oh... jackhammer stopped.. must be coffee time.
Apr 30 09:23:37 <tsquar3d> No. They call me "sir".
Apr 30 09:23:59 <av500> Sir Savage
Apr 30 09:25:23 <tsquar3d> If I must be addressed, they call me, "Yes Sir and No Sir".
Apr 30 09:25:40 <tsquar3d> 'Cuz I get things done.
Apr 30 09:25:53 <tsquar3d> KotH: Wait a minute.. did you call IRC "civilized"?
Apr 30 09:26:04 <tsquar3d> :-p
Apr 30 09:26:07 <panto> he's on a chocolate high
Apr 30 09:26:33 <tsquar3d> panto: He must be high as a kite if he thinks IRC is civilized... especially freenode.
Apr 30 09:26:58 <woglinde_> maybee he is on the wrong channels
Apr 30 09:27:22 <tsquar3d> Granted, this is one of the most civilized channels on IRC>
Apr 30 09:27:50 <tsquar3d> Go to python or ubuntu, they're "We're here to help.... now GTFO!"
Apr 30 09:28:10 <av500> ...printk("\nerror: %s have be commented.\n", __FUNCTION__);...
Apr 30 09:31:36 <tsquar3d> Don't get me wrong, I love the UK... but, you know the "vogons" in HHG2G? Yeah... they're real.
Apr 30 09:32:57 <tsquar3d> Hey av500, do you think you could have alook at my application? https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/tsquar3d/1
Apr 30 09:34:17 <tsquar3d> The RPi is a vogon weapon.
Apr 30 10:01:28 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/75teRw
Apr 30 10:01:28 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 7d9188a Koen Kooi: 3.8: add rudimentary support for lcd4 capes...
Apr 30 10:20:18 <mrpackethead> what are we arguing about
Apr 30 10:23:14 <av500> stuff
Apr 30 10:29:51 <av500> KotH: look, the Attila Matrix: http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04/30/artila-matrix-516-arm9-industrial-linux-computer-features-8-rs-485-ports/
Apr 30 10:30:13 <av500> no 1080p, so meh
Apr 30 10:30:45 <KotH> and no sata!
Apr 30 10:31:06 <av500> yeah
Apr 30 10:33:41 <panto> av500, 2.6 kernel
Apr 30 10:43:04 <av500> yes, and?
Apr 30 10:45:09 <panto> nothing
Apr 30 10:45:15 <panto> as long as you don't connect anything new to it
Apr 30 10:48:45 <av500> panto: a new RS485 device
Apr 30 10:48:52 <av500> for which the driver is only in 3.10?
Apr 30 10:55:29 <panto> point taken
Apr 30 11:13:48 <jackmitchell> av500: is that the new atmel uC with the good Linux support
Apr 30 11:14:10 <jackmitchell> ah, should have read, no
Apr 30 11:14:33 <Jacmet> jackmitchell: the new atmel would have been a bit more interesting if it had gotten released in 2010 like originally planned
Apr 30 11:14:44 <mdp> that's an old atmel soc with good Linux support
Apr 30 11:15:02 <mdp> jackmitchell, thinking of sama5d3, perhaps?
Apr 30 11:15:13 <Jacmet> jackmitchell: but apparently atmel was too busy with internal fights to release any new devices
Apr 30 11:15:21 <Jacmet> mdp: hi
Apr 30 11:15:26 <jackmitchell> Jacmet: possibly, all the names seems to merge into one on atmel devices
Apr 30 11:15:35 <mdp> Jacmet, hi
Apr 30 11:15:37 <jackmitchell> samXXXXXX20
Apr 30 11:15:43 <Jacmet> jackmitchell: as opposed to on TI devices? ;)
Apr 30 11:15:48 <mdp> SAM is a very friendly name ;)
Apr 30 11:16:04 <jackmitchell> I look at the TI devices most days, my brain can automatically decipher them ;)
Apr 30 11:16:10 <Jacmet> mdp: what's up? still working on pcie stuff?
Apr 30 11:16:19 <mdp> nope, got pulled from that
Apr 30 11:16:27 <Jacmet> mdp: ahh, ok
Apr 30 11:16:32 <mdp> quad spi for dra7xx now
Apr 30 11:16:35 * Jacmet is still stuck in ti816x land
Apr 30 11:16:40 <Jacmet> mdp: ok
Apr 30 11:16:46 <jackmitchell> pulled here, pulled there, pulled everywhere; you must be one hell of a context switcher
Apr 30 11:16:59 <mdp> Jacmet, tomorrow there may be a different crisis
Apr 30 11:17:18 <Jacmet> mdp the fire fighter
Apr 30 11:17:34 <jackmitchell> either that or you're paying with your sanity ;)
Apr 30 11:17:38 <letothe2nd> lets call him "Red Matt"
Apr 30 11:18:02 <letothe2nd> -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Adair
Apr 30 11:18:07 <mdp> I get paid the same regardless of context switches and productivity
Apr 30 11:19:58 <letothe2nd> ok. we should really use that as a punchline... http://www.redadair.com/
Apr 30 11:20:30 <mdp> heh
Apr 30 11:46:52 <KotH> letothe2nd: thanks for that... i just passed it on to a customer :)
Apr 30 11:47:32 <letothe2nd> KotH: hrhr. pls send me your contact so i can send you a bill for consulting ;)
Apr 30 12:53:46 <tsquar3d_> Hey all, I've put my gsoc proposal in and am looking for mentors... can y'all have a look at it? https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/tsquar3d/1
Apr 30 13:42:33 <KotH> av500, bradfa: do you know how to clear a blown security fuse on an msp430? i couldnt find it on google
Apr 30 13:42:48 <KotH> av500, bradfa: either iar or mspdebug
Apr 30 13:44:15 <alan_o> mdp: http://blog.jgc.org/2013/04/how-i-coded-in-1985.html
Apr 30 13:44:48 <alan_o> it even has syntax highlighting ^^
Apr 30 13:46:05 <mru> mdp: ^^ look, 6502
Apr 30 13:47:24 <mru> also, hand-assembling is something everyone should do at least once
Apr 30 13:47:33 <mdp> maybe twice!
Apr 30 13:47:41 <mdp> alan_o, hehe
Apr 30 13:47:50 <mru> until you're comfortable with it
Apr 30 13:48:09 <mru> then you can start using tools
Apr 30 13:49:06 <mdp> alan_o, when I first wanted to grok arch/ppc/kernel/head.S..I sat down with a print out of it and annotated it just like that. since the comments weren't good enough for me to follow at the time
Apr 30 13:50:20 <alan_o> The only thing I've ever had to hand assemble was shape tables on the Apple II. Not exactly assembly language, but I think it still counts (since I was in primary school).
Apr 30 13:50:30 <alan_o> mdp: useful comments in the kernel?
Apr 30 13:51:16 <alan_o> I'm of the opinion that the level at which I do comments is perfect. Any fewer is not enough, and any more is overkill/useless.
Apr 30 13:52:12 <mdp> alan_o, there's often not enough in assembly sections
Apr 30 13:52:28 <mdp> depending on the level of knowledge of the reader about the architecture
Apr 30 13:52:45 <alan_o> hehe
Apr 30 13:52:46 <mdp> some people did a nice job of fully commenting tricks used in wozmon
Apr 30 13:53:06 <ctyler> We a kind of comment-level prefix. I want to see all comments up to detail level 3 only, please.
Apr 30 13:53:15 <alan_o> I contend there's not enough comments in many places in the kernel.
Apr 30 13:53:22 <mdp> but don't expect to see that in your average low-touch piece of code
Apr 30 13:53:49 <alan_o> ctyler: /* end while loop */
Apr 30 13:54:08 <ctyler> alan_o: *facepalm*
Apr 30 13:54:38 <mdp> alan_o, /* do it again! */
Apr 30 13:55:04 <mdp> alan_o, // I can be inconsistent, my compiler allows it
Apr 30 13:55:17 <mru> a++; /* increment b */
Apr 30 13:55:22 <mdp> lol
Apr 30 13:55:45 <alan_o>  /* This is main(), the entry point of the application. It's parameters represent the number of command line arguments, and the command line arguments themselves, respectively, including the name by which the application was executed.. */
Apr 30 13:56:07 <mdp>  /* using post-increment, please refer to K&R chapter foo about this... */
Apr 30 13:56:09 <alan_o> mru: a++ /* decrement b*/
Apr 30 13:56:45 <gabrbedd>  /* This is main() on drugs. */
Apr 30 13:57:04 <bradfa> KotH, jtag fuses blown?
Apr 30 13:57:06 <mru> ++i; /* pre-increment because it is anecdotally faster on pdp-8 */
Apr 30 13:57:21 <mdp> in printk level terminology, we call these KERN_MORON
Apr 30 13:57:43 <bradfa> KotH, I've read that the bsl can get around jtag fuse blown-ness to read out flash, but I don't know how to unblow them
Apr 30 13:57:57 <alan_o> gabrbedd: is that what the int main(int argc, char **argv, char **envp) is?
Apr 30 13:59:57 <Spirilis> hmm not too much experience with jtag fuses but in the F5xxx series chips I believe it's just a byte in the flash that determines it
Apr 30 14:00:07 <Spirilis> in which case BSL should be able to recover
Apr 30 14:00:10 <KotH> bradfa: yes, exactly. i read everywhere that bsl is the way to go, but how to do that is not described anywhere i could find
Apr 30 14:00:28 <mdp> mru, I just noticed the comment at the end of that blog about him not having a calculator capable of hex...hehe...indeed, we didn't have such crutches
Apr 30 14:00:42 <mdp> it was easier to add 6 fingers
Apr 30 14:00:51 <mru> mental hex arithmetic isn't that hard
Apr 30 14:00:52 <Spirilis> yeah there's a TI app for it and I think mspdebug has some bsl support but I'm not sure what kind of hardware it's expecting to see, i.e. ftdi or the MSP-FET430UIF or whatnot
Apr 30 14:01:35 <mdp> mru, anything other than base10 boggles normal people
Apr 30 14:01:37 <alan_o> mdp: it's easy to remove fingers, harderer to add extra.
Apr 30 14:01:53 <alan_o> ^^ apologies for recycling mru's joke from yesterday
Apr 30 14:01:55 <Spirilis> search the MSP430 E2E forum at TI there's lots of posts on it, sometimes the error comes up when it's not actually blown but communication can't get established with the jtag
Apr 30 14:01:59 <mdp> alan_o, that's why octal is better!
Apr 30 14:02:13 <alan_o> Crofton: ^^
Apr 30 14:02:21 <Spirilis> and MSPGCC has some goofyness with the FRAM chips where it can bork the security fuse byte
Apr 30 14:03:00 <bradfa> KotH, sorry, I'm not much help here :(
Apr 30 14:04:04 <alan_o> mdp: non-base-10 only boggles me when I remember incorrectly about whether I used %d or %x and am looking at values with no letters.
Apr 30 14:04:05 <KotH> bradfa: thanks anyways
Apr 30 14:04:31 <mru> alan_o: and there's u-boot
Apr 30 14:04:45 <mru> u-boot commands parse all numbers as hex
Apr 30 14:04:51 <mru> 0x prefix or not
Apr 30 14:05:02 <mru> that caught me by surprise
Apr 30 14:05:12 <mdp> u-boot conserves keystrokes and uart b/w
Apr 30 14:05:34 <alan_o> mdp: if you cared about conserving... you wouldn't be using u-boot.
Apr 30 14:05:39 <tsquar3d-work> Hey, mdp, I am told that I should talk to you about my gsoc proposal. :-)
Apr 30 14:06:22 <mdp> alan_o, conservationists just use direct spl boot
Apr 30 14:06:42 <mdp> tsquar3d-work, ok
Apr 30 14:11:23 <tsquar3d-work> mdp: Sorry, just pulling it up...
Apr 30 14:11:59 <tsquar3d-work> mdp: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/tsquar3d/1
Apr 30 14:12:22 <tsquar3d-work> mdp: ds2 told me you were the dude to talk to. :-)
Apr 30 14:12:59 <mdp> heh
Apr 30 14:13:22 <mdp> your answers to 1-8 under "about you" look great!
Apr 30 14:13:28 <mdp> ;)
Apr 30 14:13:38 <tsquar3d-work> mdp: Oh, thanks!
Apr 30 14:14:04 <mdp> reading now
Apr 30 14:15:05 <tsquar3d-work> mdp: Thanks! Well, I will let you read it... and I will check back in a few minutes.. just gotta walk home quick... okay? :-)
Apr 30 14:15:12 <xenoxaos> does the new DT kernel read pinmuxing from eeproms like the older kernels did?
Apr 30 14:15:21 <panto> no
Apr 30 14:15:28 <mdp> tsquar3d, sure
Apr 30 14:15:46 <xenoxaos> panto: so a new DT file will need to be compiled for each configuration?
Apr 30 14:16:07 <panto> what configuration? the cape's configuration?
Apr 30 14:16:51 <panto> for each cape partnumber-version there's a corresponding dtbo file
Apr 30 14:17:00 <xenoxaos> i'm just trying to wrap my head around all the pinmuxing stuff
Apr 30 14:17:04 <panto> which contains everything about the cape
Apr 30 14:17:21 <panto> device nodes include pinmux information
Apr 30 14:17:27 <xenoxaos> and what if i just want to reuse a pin on the board for something else?
Apr 30 14:17:53 <panto> what do you want to do?
Apr 30 14:19:15 <xenoxaos> ie, reuse the pins that are doing video as gpio
Apr 30 14:20:18 <panto> err, you will take the pin that the video h/w is using and make it a gpio?
Apr 30 14:20:31 <panto> won't that break the video?
Apr 30 14:20:47 <xenoxaos> what if i dont need video?
Apr 30 14:21:12 <panto> are you talking about not using HDMI right?
Apr 30 14:21:22 <xenoxaos> ya, or any video out
Apr 30 14:21:35 <panto> in that case it's complicated :)
Apr 30 14:21:54 <panto> there's a very recent addition of a reset control framework
Apr 30 14:22:04 <panto> that would allow you to do that
Apr 30 14:22:12 <panto> but I'm still debugging it :)
Apr 30 14:22:28 <panto> so no, you don't have it in the current release
Apr 30 14:22:39 <xenoxaos> kk
Apr 30 14:23:02 <panto> it is there on the kernel tree, but there's a little bit of doc write up I have to do before you can use it
Apr 30 14:23:27 <panto> a very quick and dirty explanation is as follows:
Apr 30 14:23:48 <panto> there are now slot priorities
Apr 30 14:24:09 <woglinde> very dirty
Apr 30 14:24:15 <panto> the onboard virtual 'capes' for the hdmi & emmc are of a lower priority than the auto-detected capes
Apr 30 14:24:53 <panto> when an auto-detected cape needs it, it can request and hold the reset of the on-board capes
Apr 30 14:25:37 <panto> so when the on-board cape (in that case HDMI) loads it will try to get the reset and it will bail, leaving the other cape in control
Apr 30 14:25:57 <panto> still WIP though
Apr 30 14:26:34 <panto> is that clear (at all)?
Apr 30 14:26:47 <tsquar3d> mdp: Whew...
Apr 30 14:26:55 <tsquar3d> tsquar3d: Okay... I'm back.
Apr 30 14:27:24 <xndcn> Hi, I want to know where can I find gsoc mentors email address?
Apr 30 14:27:30 <woglinde> panto no *g*
Apr 30 14:27:43 * panto :(
Apr 30 14:27:53 <tsquar3d> mdp: Sorry about that... I had to walk all the way home from work.
Apr 30 14:27:54 <woglinde> xndcn write to the gosc beagle mailinglist
Apr 30 14:28:33 <semaf> hey anybody from BeagleBoard here?
Apr 30 14:28:39 <xndcn> woglinde: thanks
Apr 30 14:29:45 <woglinde> semaf maybee
Apr 30 14:30:08 <xenoxaos> makes sense to me
Apr 30 14:30:29 <semaf> @woglinde maybe yes maybe no?
Apr 30 14:30:29 * xenoxaos wishes he had more time to do GSoC
Apr 30 14:30:50 <woglinde> hm I should take beer from each student asking here instead of ml
Apr 30 14:31:01 <jackmitchell> semaf: most of use own a BeagleBoard, but we are not from BeagleBoard
Apr 30 14:31:10 <jackmitchell> s/use/us
Apr 30 14:31:27 <jackmitchell> was that your only question?
Apr 30 14:31:50 <woglinde> jackmitchell *g* I think gsoc ones will follow now
Apr 30 14:31:57 <semaf> Well I want to resell BeagleBoard thats why somebody to talk
Apr 30 14:32:07 <jackmitchell> semaf: eBay
Apr 30 14:32:22 <woglinde> ask your seller
Apr 30 14:33:06 <jackmitchell> ah, misunderstood, resell the boards yourself, not resell a board you currently own :)
Apr 30 14:35:47 <semaf> yes now you are right
Apr 30 14:36:13 <semaf> I want to resell them on my Shop
Apr 30 14:36:14 <Spirilis> CircuitCo is the company that builds them right?
Apr 30 14:36:14 <jackmitchell> semaf: I would imagine you want to email CircuitCo
Apr 30 14:38:50 <semaf> thank you jack
Apr 30 14:43:18 <tsquar3d> mdp: So, would that be anything of interest to you? :-)
Apr 30 14:51:59 <Spirilis> heh wow, rummaging through my bookbag for any USB flash drives I may have forgot about, ended up finding a 16GB microSD card
Apr 30 14:52:03 <Spirilis> no idea where it came from either
Apr 30 14:53:52 <Spirilis> do you have to reboot the BBBlack for it to see the SD card?  doesn't seem to show up in dmesg or /proc/partitions
Apr 30 14:54:10 <panto> got to reboot
Apr 30 14:54:14 <Spirilis> got it
Apr 30 14:54:24 <panto> you shouldn't but you have to
Apr 30 14:54:59 <Spirilis> mmc I/O driver doesn't do hotplugging?
Apr 30 14:56:01 <Spirilis> strange, doesn't boot with that plugged in
Apr 30 14:56:17 <Spirilis> just 3 out of the 4 user LEDs, might have to hook up my FTDI later and see
Apr 30 14:56:52 <thurbad> is there a boot order button?
Apr 30 14:57:02 <ka6sox> yes
Apr 30 14:57:04 <Spirilis> yeah, it's not pressed, I tried holding it and resetting and same behavior
Apr 30 14:57:18 <ka6sox> mourning
Apr 30 14:57:24 <panto> hi ka6sox
Apr 30 14:57:35 <ka6sox> hiya panto
Apr 30 15:01:18 <ka6sox> today is a 2 cup day
Apr 30 15:01:25 <Spirilis> lol amen
Apr 30 15:02:44 <panto> make it three
Apr 30 15:03:05 <ka6sox> then I'll be flying around the room.....backwards.
Apr 30 15:06:42 <ka6sox> mdp, does virtio have a shared memory or MMIO extension?
Apr 30 15:07:28 <mdp> virtio works via shared memory inherently, but I suspect you mean something else
Apr 30 15:07:53 <mdp> tsquar3d, sorta reviewing still, lots of work stuff going on though..taking a while :(
Apr 30 15:08:12 <tsquar3d> mdp: No worries, take your time. :-)
Apr 30 15:08:27 <tsquar3d> mdp: We have until friday.
Apr 30 15:21:19 <JSN> anyone know why Table 6 and Table 13 in the BBB_SRM seem to say totally different things about the eMMC connections?
Apr 30 15:22:12 <JSN> the schematic seems to agree with table 6, though it's hard to be sure when tracing the nets
Apr 30 15:27:15 <cmicali> JSN: there's a thread on the groups about it, i believe the schematic is correct and the SRM needs to be updated
Apr 30 15:32:18 <eikeon> Spirilis: Where you ever able to see your SD card. I've been going through the same progression as you trying to see an SD card on my BBB
Apr 30 15:40:02 <Spirilis> eikeon: nah, I tripped over the USB network link problem again so I got sidetracked and haven't worked on the SD card piece yet
Apr 30 15:40:48 <Spirilis> there is clearly something fubar with the kernel I believe, as not even a ping 192.168.7.1 registered any traffic on "tcpdump -i usb0 -n" nor did it increment the TX packets counter in ifconfig.
Apr 30 15:41:08 <Spirilis> I'm running 3.8.8 now (latest update) but I'd be shocked if the behavior was any different on the original 3.8.6 b/c the symptoms are the same
Apr 30 15:41:33 <Spirilis> udhcpd clearly shows it's sending reply DHCP OFFERs to my Mac, but no traffic at all over the wire except the broadcast DHCPREQUESTs received from the Mac
Apr 30 15:42:02 <Spirilis> IP routing table shows 192.168.7.0/30 dev usb0 and I didn't detect any of that traffic with tcpdump -i eth0 or -i lo
Apr 30 15:42:27 <koen> Spirilis: horndis?
Apr 30 15:42:45 <Spirilis> yeah that's the interface it's using.
Apr 30 15:42:55 <Spirilis> usb0 on the 'bone
Apr 30 15:43:14 <koen> I have a theory that the missing promiscuous mode is casing the problem
Apr 30 15:43:24 <Spirilis> hmm?
Apr 30 15:43:27 <koen> horndis git has support for that, but I couldn't make my own build work
Apr 30 15:44:00 <koen> on my laptop I have regular usbnet working, but connection sharing (mac gives ip to bone) isn't working
Apr 30 15:44:02 <Spirilis> which side is this--the mac or 'bone?
Apr 30 15:44:13 <Spirilis> oh I got connection sharing working, the Mac insists on making its own network
Apr 30 15:44:19 <Spirilis> but i have that disabled atm
Apr 30 15:44:27 <woglinde> koen does the opencv2.4 packages have python support?
Apr 30 15:44:39 <Spirilis> had that working yesterday, I let the bone configure the network first then added sharing and added a 192.168.2.2 IP to the 'bone with default GW set to 192.168.2.1
Apr 30 15:44:51 <koen> woglinde: I think I disabled it because cmake sucks donkey as for x-compiling python
Apr 30 15:45:02 <Spirilis> but this morning I cannot get the bone to properly send any DHCP offer replies back to my Mac
Apr 30 15:45:09 <koen> Spirilis: ah, I'll try that later this week
Apr 30 15:45:22 <woglinde> koen hm
Apr 30 15:45:28 <woglinde> maybee I will look at it
Apr 30 15:46:39 <Spirilis> random Q, does the 'bone actually have bluetooth hardware onboard?
Apr 30 15:46:49 <Spirilis> I saw some module or software for it but wasn't sure
Apr 30 15:47:01 <Spirilis> the beaglebone black, I mean
Apr 30 15:47:18 <bradfa> Spirilis, no bluetooth
Apr 30 15:47:24 <Spirilis> ah k thx
Apr 30 15:47:31 <bradfa> see SRM
Apr 30 15:47:52 <eikeon> Spirilis, ty. I'm currently re-flashing to BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.04.13-DDR3-400MHz.img.xz -- Q: how does one flash from SD vs boot off of SD?
Apr 30 15:48:10 <Tartarus> SD being the card?
Apr 30 15:48:14 <eikeon> yeah
Apr 30 15:48:18 <Spirilis> eikeon: I haven't done it but the procedure is outlined on the site...
Apr 30 15:48:58 <Spirilis> sounds like you use a utility to write a small "flasher" linux install to the SD card, copy the BBB eMMC image to the SD card, then boot off that and it takes care of it
Apr 30 15:50:19 <eikeon> Ah. ty. Now I remember seeing that… still learning my way around all the tabs I have open ;)
Apr 30 15:54:58 <eikeon> so I gather the .img.xy from http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ should boot up and not flash. My FTDI cable doesn't come until tomorrow so I'm a bit in the dark ;)
Apr 30 15:56:06 <rbarris> Spirilis, which OS version are you on..
Apr 30 15:56:31 <Spirilis> rbarris: on the Mac side, 10.6 snow leopard
Apr 30 15:57:09 <rbarris> that's what i have on my hobby machine too.. if i run into any similar snags I'll boot up a 10.8.3 disk and see if it's better
Apr 30 15:57:23 <rbarris> (BBB in mail for today...)
Apr 30 15:57:35 <Spirilis> yeah I dunno, not seeing any TX packets on the bone's ifconfig when I ping over it or whatnot tells me it's probably not the Mac at fault here
Apr 30 15:57:53 <Spirilis> yet sometimes it works, let me give it a spin and see right now
Apr 30 15:58:02 <Spirilis> might be the luck of the draw or something
Apr 30 15:58:21 <Spirilis> either that or there is an issue on the Mac side that borks the driver on the bone
Apr 30 15:59:46 <Spirilis> hm, trying a total powercycle of the mac (powercycle of the 'bone didn't help)
Apr 30 16:02:00 <Spirilis> well how 'bout that, now it works.
Apr 30 16:02:04 <Spirilis> maybe it is the mac...
Apr 30 16:04:12 <Spirilis> two subsequent power cycles of the 'bone, problem recurs.
Apr 30 16:17:46 * mranostay dances in
Apr 30 16:20:46 <woglinde_> gm mranostay
Apr 30 16:37:00 * KotH ncurses new processors
Apr 30 16:47:14 <ka6sox-farfarawa> 11 just arrived
Apr 30 16:47:23 <ka6sox-farfarawa> (or is that 3?)
Apr 30 16:50:28 <danielmolina> the board beaglebone
Apr 30 16:50:46 <danielmolina> hav a port for audio?
Apr 30 16:51:15 <mru> the black has audio over hdmi
Apr 30 16:51:47 <danielmolina> mmm ok
Apr 30 16:52:25 <mru> and mcasp is available on the expansion connector so you can attach a codec there if you want
Apr 30 16:54:10 <danielmolina> alguien habla en español?
Apr 30 16:54:49 * mru does not
Apr 30 16:55:02 <koen> hola supermercado, telebancos po aqui
Apr 30 16:55:27 <danielmolina> i want buy the board for make myselft smart-tv, but i don't have idea
Apr 30 16:55:32 <koen> (contemporary dutch song about speaking spanish)
Apr 30 16:55:59 <mru> the beagle family boards are not really suited for that
Apr 30 16:56:12 <danielmolina> if i can install mytbunty un the bosrd
Apr 30 16:56:28 <danielmolina> board
Apr 30 16:56:31 <mru> you can, but it won't run very well
Apr 30 16:56:32 <danielmolina> whi not?
Apr 30 16:57:01 <mru> no video accelerators
Apr 30 16:57:08 <danielmolina> mmmm
Apr 30 16:57:38 <ka6sox-farfarawa> koen, we had Cheech and Chong...
Apr 30 16:58:51 <danielmolina> but, for whatch youtube, or netflix don't work?
Apr 30 16:59:03 <Spirilis> huh, ok so when you plug in an SD card, it's not supposed to try booting from it unless you hold down S2 right?
Apr 30 16:59:39 <mru> Spirilis: depends on what it finds in the onboard flash
Apr 30 17:00:13 <Spirilis> hmm, mine seems to show GPIO pin 53, 54, 55 as 1, 1, 1 no matter if I hold down S2 or not
Apr 30 17:00:22 <Spirilis> noticed this in the uBoot messages
Apr 30 17:01:00 <Spirilis> though I'm not sure if S2 is one of those, gonna go consult the SRM...
Apr 30 17:05:36 <Spirilis> ah nm, S2 is something different
Apr 30 17:05:49 <Spirilis> and the u-boot.img is on the main flash anyhow
Apr 30 17:05:53 <Spirilis> so it is booting that
Apr 30 17:10:16 <panto> nightmare on bit-banging-street
Apr 30 17:13:33 <xenoxaos> sounds kinky
Apr 30 17:14:46 <ka6sox-farfarawa> panto, that *is* what we are proposing the PRUs do however...
Apr 30 17:15:07 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I guess its okay for PRUs but not ARMs? (seems like a double standard to me :P)
Apr 30 17:15:09 <panto> this is the dma version of the nightmare :)
Apr 30 17:15:16 <ka6sox-farfarawa> oh, that one
Apr 30 17:15:38 <panto> I get access to the peripheral over gpmc, but dma just doesn't trigger
Apr 30 17:16:00 <panto> I dump registers and compare with the 3.2 ref
Apr 30 17:16:43 <ka6sox-farfarawa> ...
Apr 30 17:17:01 <mru> ka6sox-farfarawa: double standards are ok, there are two PRUs
Apr 30 17:19:32 <xenoxaos> what can we use the PRU for anyway?
Apr 30 17:20:26 <panto> bitbangig
Apr 30 17:20:30 <panto> *bitbanging
Apr 30 17:21:30 <xenoxaos> that it?
Apr 30 17:21:43 <panto> fast bitbanging
Apr 30 17:21:49 * panto is getting all hot and bothered 
Apr 30 17:21:54 <ka6sox-farfarawa> xenoxaos, very fast RealTime bigbanging....
Apr 30 17:21:59 <xenoxaos> oooh
Apr 30 17:22:11 * mdp uncircles panto
Apr 30 17:22:27 <cmicali> xenoxaos i'm using it to bit-bang SPI to/from a bunch of A/D chips to get regular/realtime sampling
Apr 30 17:22:37 * mranostay hands panto a creeper card
Apr 30 17:22:49 <mranostay> panto misses the next match
Apr 30 17:22:59 <cmicali> xenoxaos: i think the general use case is like this, or for communicating other protocols that require real-time response (canbus, etc)
Apr 30 17:23:47 <xenoxaos> how fast can it flip/flop a pin?
Apr 30 17:24:03 <cmicali> xenoxaos: 5ns
Apr 30 17:24:38 <cmicali> 200mhz clock and 1 instruction per clock cycle
Apr 30 17:35:19 <mdp> that's what gets panto excited
Apr 30 17:36:49 <KotH> as long it's not little girls....
Apr 30 17:38:11 <cmicali> who DOESN'T get excited by that
Apr 30 17:38:26 <cmicali> (200mhz clock, obviously)
Apr 30 17:38:32 <ka6sox-farfarawa> huh?
Apr 30 17:41:16 <KotH> sounds like friday
Apr 30 17:41:53 <ka6sox-farfarawa> 52
Apr 30 17:44:29 <KotH> off by 10
Apr 30 17:46:08 <ka6sox-farfarawa> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/52
Apr 30 17:47:30 * ka6sox-farfarawa grumbles about having to actually go out *in the rain* and work :P
Apr 30 17:48:48 <mdp> today is a good day for friday
Apr 30 17:48:52 <mdp> engage
Apr 30 17:49:16 <cmicali> yes please
Apr 30 17:49:54 <ka6sox-farfarawa> friday just means another 2 days of work it seems...
Apr 30 17:51:04 <KotH> consideringt that i dont work tomorrow... today must be friday
Apr 30 17:51:30 * panto has hopes for orthodox easter this week 
Apr 30 17:51:38 * biot waits for prpplague to slap him around
Apr 30 17:53:04 <panto> wtf, it works
Apr 30 17:53:18 * ka6sox-farfarawa heads out...in the rain...
Apr 30 17:54:07 * panto starts waving a dead chicken around
Apr 30 17:54:23 * panto chants a prayer to the old ones 
Apr 30 17:54:36 <mdp> you are an old one now
Apr 30 17:54:43 <ka6sox-farfarawa> mdp, +1
Apr 30 17:55:07 <panto> praying to oneself would be awfully self-referential
Apr 30 17:55:16 <KotH> someone please give me a working compiler!
Apr 30 17:55:18 <KotH> ^^;
Apr 30 17:55:23 <panto> I'd blow some karma stack that way
Apr 30 17:55:58 * ka6sox-farfarawa procrastinates
Apr 30 17:56:14 <cmicali> 1:56pm.  amount of actual work accomplished: 0
Apr 30 17:56:16 * tsquar3d_ plugs in ti-launch pad
Apr 30 17:56:58 <KotH> tsquar3d_: be carefull... my downfall started with exactly that
Apr 30 17:57:26 <tsquar3d_> KotH, And now you are homeless?
Apr 30 17:58:33 <Pulsewidth> I'm using the latest Angstrom image for original BeagleBone, and I can't find the nbd kernel module
Apr 30 17:58:38 <Pulsewidth> Was it removed?
Apr 30 17:59:42 <KotH> tsquar3d_: it's 20:00 and i'm still at work
Apr 30 18:00:50 <tsquar3d_> KotH, could be worse -- you could be homeless.
Apr 30 18:00:55 * panto thinks that having stupid broken hardware is no fun 
Apr 30 18:01:18 <panto> it started working after I put a read after a register write
Apr 30 18:01:20 <tsquar3d_> panto, I have two arduinos sitting on my desk with that very problem.
Apr 30 18:01:20 <ka6sox-farfarawa> panto, some hardware designers live in FantasyLand.
Apr 30 18:01:21 <KotH> tsquar3d_: unlike some third world countries, it is pretty hard to become homeless in .ch
Apr 30 18:01:34 <ka6sox-farfarawa> oh, thats worse
Apr 30 18:01:45 <tsquar3d_> KotH, Ha... third world countries like the US?
Apr 30 18:01:57 <ka6sox-farfarawa> tsquar3d_, we resemble that remark.
Apr 30 18:01:59 <KotH> tsquar3d_: nah.. the us isnt a third world country
Apr 30 18:02:10 <KotH> tsquar3d_: the uk is a prime example of a 3rd world country
Apr 30 18:02:13 <ka6sox-farfarawa> KotH, yes...its a Banana Republic.
Apr 30 18:02:37 <KotH> ka6sox-farfarawa: thanks for saying it for me :)
Apr 30 18:03:04 <tsquar3d_> KotH, lolz -- I am an American living in the UK -- how screwed am I?
Apr 30 18:03:13 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I keep telling people I'm not in North America...I'm on the Pacific Plate.
Apr 30 18:03:19 <KotH> tsquar3d_: you are at least improving
Apr 30 18:03:29 <KotH> ka6sox-farfarawa: CA?
Apr 30 18:03:29 <panto> guys, guys, I have you all beat in living in a fscked up place
Apr 30 18:03:32 <panto> please stop
Apr 30 18:03:35 <tsquar3d_> Next stop -- Canada.
Apr 30 18:03:42 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I keep hoping we will head towards Aitutaki.
Apr 30 18:03:46 <KotH> panto: actually, you have a pretty decent place to live
Apr 30 18:03:47 <panto> until a guy in somalia arrives in #beagle
Apr 30 18:03:55 <panto> to live, not to work
Apr 30 18:03:59 <KotH> panto: if all else fails, you can still plant something in your garden and live from that
Apr 30 18:04:03 <ka6sox-farfarawa> panto, understood.
Apr 30 18:04:16 <KotH> panto: and you dont have to worry about winter or stuff like that
Apr 30 18:04:36 <KotH> panto: and if life becomes too bad in .gr, you can always emigrate to .tr
Apr 30 18:04:39 <panto> I have an expensive taste in electronics that subsistence farming can't quell
Apr 30 18:04:42 <KotH> panto: it's just one letter too!
Apr 30 18:04:52 <tsquar3d_> The wifes family is canadian -- oh how I miss North America...
Apr 30 18:04:58 <panto> KotH, cute :)
Apr 30 18:05:01 <xenoxaos> panto: greece?
Apr 30 18:05:02 <ka6sox-farfarawa> panto...I worked for a month in .al and could see .gr from there...
Apr 30 18:05:11 <ka6sox-farfarawa> but never made it.
Apr 30 18:05:12 <panto> heh
Apr 30 18:05:15 <panto> xenoxaos, yep
Apr 30 18:05:23 <tsquar3d_> -- there is no radioshack in the UK
Apr 30 18:05:35 <tsquar3d_> How do you live without radioshack?!
Apr 30 18:05:36 <panto> ka6sox-farfarawa, man, you missed out
Apr 30 18:05:42 <KotH> tsquar3d_: what's so special about radioshack?
Apr 30 18:05:51 <xenoxaos> it USED to be awesome
Apr 30 18:05:54 <panto> corfu is just a couple hours away by boat
Apr 30 18:05:55 <xenoxaos> now it's not
Apr 30 18:05:56 <KotH> ka6sox-farfarawa: did you at least go to .tr? :)
Apr 30 18:06:35 <panto> went to beach last summer in corfu that had the .al coast right there in front
Apr 30 18:06:50 <ka6sox-farfarawa> no, I wanted to on the way home....
Apr 30 18:07:02 <tsquar3d_> KotH, Go there... then you will know.
Apr 30 18:07:13 <mranostay> panto: how is the banana republic of greece doing? :)
Apr 30 18:07:35 <KotH> tsquar3d_: well... it's on the other side of the big pond
Apr 30 18:07:48 <KotH> tsquar3d_: and i still havent seen all of .jp yet.. let alone the rest of asia
Apr 30 18:07:52 <panto> mranostay, we fired our first public workers in a century!
Apr 30 18:08:04 <mranostay> panto: woot
Apr 30 18:08:05 <panto> and they were only in jail for 10 years before they had to do it
Apr 30 18:08:09 <tsquar3d_> KotH, Well... you will just have to get a boat.
Apr 30 18:08:16 <mranostay> panto: er?
Apr 30 18:08:27 <KotH> rotfl
Apr 30 18:08:28 <panto> amazing fact of the day
Apr 30 18:08:37 <KotH> panto: things are imporving in .gr, arn't tehy? :)
Apr 30 18:08:42 <mranostay> panto: explain?
Apr 30 18:08:52 <panto> being convicted of a crime in courts is not enough to get you fired from your public sector job
Apr 30 18:09:01 <ka6sox-farfarawa> WTH!
Apr 30 18:09:11 <panto> so even while in jail, they were paid 1/3 of their salary
Apr 30 18:09:15 <panto> yep
Apr 30 18:09:32 <mranostay> holy shit
Apr 30 18:09:34 <KotH> 0
Apr 30 18:09:36 <ka6sox-farfarawa> not even *our* public sector unions could pull that off...
Apr 30 18:09:46 <mranostay> panto: if i as much get charged for a crime i'd be fired :P
Apr 30 18:09:54 <panto> so as you can see I'm perfectly fine working in the insane land of the tech industry
Apr 30 18:10:19 <panto> I mean, what could be more fscked up than that
Apr 30 18:10:42 <panto> of course being in the private sector you have no such breaks
Apr 30 18:10:52 <mranostay> panto: should have been a bartender
Apr 30 18:10:56 <panto> yep
Apr 30 18:10:59 <panto> too late now
Apr 30 18:11:21 <tsquar3d_> Yeah... sometimes I think that life would have been so much easier if I would have settled as a bar tender...
Apr 30 18:11:21 <ka6sox-farfarawa> mranostay, in greece breaking glasses is a national pasttime
Apr 30 18:11:22 <panto> (i'd be probably dead either from sunburn or from alcohol, but still)
Apr 30 18:12:08 <panto> it's getting hot too
Apr 30 18:12:12 <panto> 29C today
Apr 30 18:12:16 <ka6sox-farfarawa> okay I've put this off longer than I could possibly do...
Apr 30 18:12:20 * panto longs for the summer 
Apr 30 18:12:38 <ka6sox-farfarawa> panto, there is a beach on the east side of greece I'd like to go to.
Apr 30 18:12:53 <mranostay> panto: palest greek guy ever
Apr 30 18:13:24 <tsquar3d_> I am going to be drowning in student debt, I hate my research and my supervisor, I just got a note from one of my advisors that they do not like my propoasl -- but they have no useful suggestions... no Idea what is going to happen after this... and I am starting to panic because I cannot get anyone to mentor my gsoc that is due friday.
Apr 30 18:13:26 <panto> ka6sox-farfarawa, there are many
Apr 30 18:13:51 <panto> tsquar3d_, stay calm and don't panic
Apr 30 18:13:59 <panto> something will come out
Apr 30 18:15:01 <woglinde_> tsquar3d wait for jkridner
Apr 30 18:15:16 <tsquar3d_> -- and then tomorrow I have my research degree board....
Apr 30 18:15:58 <woglinde_> we holidays three weeks in a row
Apr 30 18:16:01 <woglinde_> +have
Apr 30 18:16:05 <tsquar3d_> ... where they drill you about your research for half an hour and make you feel tiny.
Apr 30 18:16:15 <mranostay> panto: yeah i'm sure i'm the last person you want as bartender :P
Apr 30 18:16:35 <panto> why? I'd be having fun
Apr 30 18:16:54 <mranostay> panto: me watch over alcohol? :)
Apr 30 18:16:58 <panto> maybe the people that come to the barman and spill their guts out will have regrets afterwards :)
Apr 30 18:17:20 <tsquar3d_> mranostay, if you can pour me a shot of goldschlager, you will do fine by me.
Apr 30 18:17:37 <woglinde_> what the hell is goldschlager
Apr 30 18:17:37 <mranostay> panto: that is what i'd bank on
Apr 30 18:17:46 <woglinde_> lets google
Apr 30 18:17:57 <tsquar3d_> woglinde_, fire whiskey with flakes of gold in it.
Apr 30 18:18:05 <crashovrd> its a pepermint alcohol with gold colored flakes
Apr 30 18:18:05 <mranostay>  cinnamon schnapps relly?
Apr 30 18:18:17 <mranostay> *really
Apr 30 18:18:17 <woglinde_> hm from swiss
Apr 30 18:18:19 <woglinde_> koth?
Apr 30 18:19:05 <tsquar3d_> Yeah.... cinnamon schnaps.
Apr 30 18:19:14 <mranostay> classy "Rich Dead Nazi: Goldschläger, Jägermeister, and peppermint schnapps mixed in equal proportion (sometimes known as Three Wise Men)"
Apr 30 18:19:44 <tsquar3d_> Just jager and schnaps and you have a dead nazi.
Apr 30 18:20:04 <mranostay> never a good night with jager
Apr 30 18:20:18 <mranostay> i've regreted that every single time
Apr 30 18:20:25 <tsquar3d_> Because jager tastes like death.
Apr 30 18:20:52 * panto is more of a daquiris at the beach bar kind of guy 
Apr 30 18:20:59 * tsquar3d_ feels like drinking the rest of 2013 away.
Apr 30 18:21:03 <panto> beer for winter
Apr 30 18:21:13 <mranostay> beer forever
Apr 30 18:21:29 * mranostay isn't a mixed drink fan
Apr 30 18:21:37 <tsquar3d_> Go home, 2013, youre drunk.
Apr 30 18:24:14 <tsquar3d_> So.. *shaking the urge to find an oven to stick his head in* ... would someone be kind enough to look at my proposal? I am supposed to get feedback on my idea for the final proposal.
Apr 30 18:24:15 <tsquar3d_> https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/tsquar3d/1
Apr 30 18:24:32 <mranostay> keep calm and panic
Apr 30 18:24:46 <tsquar3d_> *picnic
Apr 30 18:25:21 <mranostay> you know the battery cape isn't really mobile? :)
Apr 30 18:25:21 <panto> dinner
Apr 30 18:25:28 <panto> tsquar3d_, I'll take a look afterwards
Apr 30 18:25:30 <mranostay> or cheap
Apr 30 18:25:49 <tsquar3d_> Thanks, panto
Apr 30 18:26:10 <tsquar3d_> mranostay, hmm... I do have some other solutions.
Apr 30 18:27:07 <tsquar3d_> I have a few phone chargers that can easily be modified.
Apr 30 18:27:10 <woglinde_> tsquar3d_ I had said go make your hello world
Apr 30 18:27:28 <woglinde_> and dont steal from the other 3
Apr 30 18:27:33 <tsquar3d_> woglinde_, You did? What?
Apr 30 18:27:49 <woglinde_> read your proposal
Apr 30 18:28:00 <woglinde_> and you did not provide the hello world
Apr 30 18:28:03 <woglinde_> yet
Apr 30 18:28:20 <tsquar3d_> woglinde_, Not worried about that part.... I just need to get the cross-linking toolchain up and running...
Apr 30 18:28:40 <woglinde_> whats finished is finished
Apr 30 18:29:41 <tsquar3d_> But I know how to compile static-linked C-code, so I just need to actually do it for ARM.
Apr 30 18:30:26 <tsquar3d_> I joked that I could just do it on my RPi before.... but the pitchforks came out.
Apr 30 18:30:47 <woglinde_> qemu is armv5
Apr 30 18:30:55 <woglinde_> so rpi would work
Apr 30 18:31:08 <tsquar3d_> Yeah... but the fact that I mentioned rpi...
Apr 30 18:31:10 <tsquar3d_> lol
Apr 30 18:32:27 <tsquar3d_> I suppose I could just do that and not tell anyone that is how I did it... or I could just not be lazy and get a qemu emulator.
Apr 30 18:32:56 <tsquar3d_> lol... an emulator emulator.
Apr 30 18:33:32 <woglinde_> I thinks its enough when it runs with qemu-system-arm
Apr 30 18:33:49 <tsquar3d_> I heard you like emulators... so I put an emulator in your emulator to emulate your emulator so you can emulate while you emulate.
Apr 30 18:34:32 <tsquar3d_> woglinde_, But all they are looking for is just a simple static-link, right?
Apr 30 18:34:38 <tsquar3d_> Just pass it a -static argument...?
Apr 30 18:35:04 <woglinde_> didn't you tell me how to link static?
Apr 30 18:35:22 <prpplague> hatguy_: please join #userspace-arduino
Apr 30 18:35:23 <woglinde_> +you know how link static
Apr 30 18:35:31 <woglinde_> he prpplague
Apr 30 18:35:34 <tsquar3d_> Yeah, but there are more options than just straight-up static.. right?
Apr 30 18:35:37 <prpplague> woglinde_: hey
Apr 30 18:35:53 <woglinde_> tsquar3d_ o.O
Apr 30 18:36:12 <woglinde_> Please create a statically-linked ARM Linux "hello world" style executable
Apr 30 18:37:54 <tsquar3d_> woglinde_, Yeah... but you can go gcc -static myfile.c -library -o myfile
Apr 30 18:38:47 <tsquar3d_> woglinde_, http://www.rapidtables.com/code/linux/gcc/gcc-l.htm
Apr 30 18:39:00 <tsquar3d_> There, that is what I mean... there are different ways to do it.
Apr 30 18:39:03 <prpplague> jkridner|work: the folks at Design West will be getting the same version of Bacon Cape that was used at the training session
Apr 30 18:39:20 <prpplague> jkridner|work: i'll rev the design next week with the accelerometer
Apr 30 18:40:23 <tsquar3d_> woglinde_, Never mind... you know, they just say *make it*
Apr 30 18:40:33 <_av500_> ahoi
Apr 30 18:41:35 <tsquar3d_> woglinde_, I just want to make sure they are not going to be sticklers about what flags I use in what order and whatnot.
Apr 30 18:41:43 <woglinde_> av500 soccer now
Apr 30 18:42:57 <jkridner|work> prpplague: k
Apr 30 18:44:12 <tsquar3d_> Anyhow.. woglinde_ , do you have any opinions on my actual proposal?
Apr 30 18:45:09 <woglinde_> tsquar3d loosk okay to me but jkridner has to decide
Apr 30 18:45:42 <cmicali> mdp you around?
Apr 30 18:45:44 <malcom2073> So, yesterday I was able to get an rfcomm connection working between the beagle and my linux PC... today? Not so much :/
Apr 30 18:46:00 <malcom2073> for some reason, today rfcomm listen isn't creating a /dev/rfcomm device
Apr 30 18:46:21 <KingOfAlmonds> all hail
Apr 30 18:46:31 <mranostay> hail of almonds?
Apr 30 18:46:32 <cmicali> the duke of nuts
Apr 30 18:47:33 <mranostay> tsquar3d_: analog ports? i assume you mean the ADC inputs?
Apr 30 18:48:03 <tsquar3d_> woglinde_, Right... well, the reason I ask is that we are supposed to get 1-3 paragraphs from someone describing how they see this benefiting the community.
Apr 30 18:48:06 <KingOfAlmonds> what are my chances of using the beaglebone black as an xbmc media center device?
Apr 30 18:48:22 <malcom2073> KingOfAlmonds: It can't do 1080p, but otherwise it should work fine
Apr 30 18:48:46 <tsquar3d_> mranostay, Err... that is what the A in ADC stands for, right?
Apr 30 18:48:56 <KingOfAlmonds> awesome malcom2073 .. thx
Apr 30 18:48:57 <mru> even 720p will be challenging
Apr 30 18:49:13 <KingOfAlmonds> really
Apr 30 18:49:53 <mru> the soc is not targetted at media playback
Apr 30 18:49:57 <KingOfAlmonds> thats to bad.. i thought it ran pretty smooth.. maybe that was on the xm
Apr 30 18:50:16 <mru> xm has a few advantages
Apr 30 18:50:40 <mru> more memory bw, yuv overlay
Apr 30 18:53:37 <_av500_> KingOfAlmonds: for xbmc, buy rpi
Apr 30 18:54:37 <cmicali> anyone know how to deal with this:  i'm sending data from PRU to DDR, and in user land when I read that DDR it does not usually update.. it seems like it is cached (maybe l2/l3 cache?) - if i run something like system("") that does a context switch, the cache gets flushed
Apr 30 18:54:41 <cmicali> and i see the updates
Apr 30 18:54:50 <cmicali> what would the "right" be to deal with this?
Apr 30 18:54:59 <KingOfAlmonds> but rpi is so slow in the UI i think. it is stable.. REALLY stable, i will give it that .. i will prob just end up with something like the Cubox.. almost Rpi, but 1 or 3 GB RAM and 700 Mhz
Apr 30 18:55:08 <cmicali> i guess if i were using edma, the dma controller would handle the cache eviction for me
Apr 30 18:55:20 <mranostay> tsquar3d_: yes but i wouldn't call those 'ports'
Apr 30 18:55:32 <mdp> cmicali, no
Apr 30 18:55:46 <mdp> you need to manage the cache or use noncoherent memory
Apr 30 18:55:59 <mdp> blech!
Apr 30 18:56:03 <mdp> coherent memory
Apr 30 18:56:18 <cmicali> got a pointer to either of those approaches?
Apr 30 18:56:20 <_av500_> mdp: please type coherent sentences
Apr 30 18:56:27 <mdp> yeah :(
Apr 30 18:56:33 <_av500_> KingOfAlmonds: the bone wont do asa media center
Apr 30 18:56:40 <cmicali> i didn't know you could manage the cache directly
Apr 30 18:56:44 <_av500_> its pi or buya $99 WDTC
Apr 30 18:56:48 <mdp> there's an api for it
Apr 30 18:56:52 <_av500_> er, WDTV
Apr 30 18:57:08 <KingOfAlmonds> av500: thx.. naaah,, to complete, no tinkering
Apr 30 18:57:11 <mranostay> mdp: ther's is an app^H^H^Hapi for that
Apr 30 18:57:11 <mdp> http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/DMA-mapping.txt
Apr 30 18:57:16 <mranostay> *there
Apr 30 18:57:48 <tsquar3d_> mranostay, Expanson connectors?
Apr 30 18:57:49 <_av500_> KingOfAlmonds: then buy any of the rockchip or allwinner based TV "things"
Apr 30 18:57:53 <cmicali> mdp: the thing is i'm not using DMA.. just SBBOing data, but it looks like uio_pruss allocates dma-coherent memory (that's the DDR block i'm using)
Apr 30 18:58:10 <mdp> cmicali, ignore the name
Apr 30 18:58:30 <KingOfAlmonds> av500: i thought about it. but they are not really open sauce in any way.. they keep the lid on
Apr 30 18:58:40 <mdp> the arm is going to hit on the cache
Apr 30 18:58:46 <mdp> the PRU is just like a DMAC
Apr 30 18:58:49 <mdp> as is a DSP
Apr 30 18:58:55 <mdp> or any other bus master out there
Apr 30 18:59:03 <cmicali> mdp: ah, pci_dma_sync_single_for_cpu then
Apr 30 18:59:07 <mdp> there's no bus snooping
Apr 30 18:59:09 <cmicali> or something similar
Apr 30 18:59:17 <mdp> you want the dma_*() ones..but yes
Apr 30 18:59:30 <cmicali> that is exactly what i was looking for
Apr 30 18:59:35 <cmicali> thanks
Apr 30 18:59:38 <mdp> sure
Apr 30 19:00:06 <_av500_> KingOfAlmonds: then there is pandaboard
Apr 30 19:00:07 <tsquar3d_> mranostay, I think I suppose *pins headers* would be the appropriate term.
Apr 30 19:00:09 <_av500_> but its $149
Apr 30 19:00:17 <_av500_> its as ope nas it gets
Apr 30 19:00:27 <KingOfAlmonds> :)
Apr 30 19:00:44 <_av500_> or buy a cheap small intel board
Apr 30 19:00:56 <_av500_> with nice SGX GPU
Apr 30 19:00:57 <cmicali> mdp: i suppose though, on the sync call, the PRU needs to stop writing to that memory - i'm using a circular buffer and would ideally like it to keep writing
Apr 30 19:01:08 <_av500_> no
Apr 30 19:01:23 <_av500_> just just want to drop the cache on the ARM side
Apr 30 19:01:29 <_av500_> PRU can go on
Apr 30 19:01:48 <cmicali> <burns voice> excellent
Apr 30 19:02:02 * mdp notes that _av500_ is saving my voice
Apr 30 19:02:54 <_av500_> mdp: sometimes I know a thing or two
Apr 30 19:02:56 <mdp> cmicali, note that these apis subtly mention that they only apply to kmalloced or __get_free_page() type memory
Apr 30 19:03:07 <mdp> _av500_, never trust av500
Apr 30 19:03:35 <mdp> cmicali, don't get caught trying to do stupid vmalloc tricks
Apr 30 19:03:42 <cmicali> mdp: yeah - I started making my own kernel driver that was a non-uio clone of uio_pruss, which kmallocs the memory in question, so i think that should be ok
Apr 30 19:03:49 <mdp> yes
Apr 30 19:03:59 <cmicali> i think the main thing i have to add is an interrupt from the PRU at some interval
Apr 30 19:04:04 <cmicali> right now user land is just polling
Apr 30 19:06:02 <tsquar3d_> mranostay, Okay... I have changed my proposal to reflect your input.
Apr 30 19:28:11 <prpplague> hatguy_: ping
Apr 30 19:28:18 <tsquar3d_> mdp, so I made a couple of minor changes to my application ,just an fyi
Apr 30 19:29:42 <prpplague> doh
Apr 30 19:30:36 <panto> prpplague, he got away
Apr 30 19:34:13 * mranostay grabs hatguy_'s hat
Apr 30 19:34:52 <hatguy_> nooo that wouldn't be very wise
Apr 30 19:35:47 <tsquar3d_> Dearest hatguy_ , why have you a hat?
Apr 30 19:35:55 <hatguy_> http://xkcd.com/405/
Apr 30 19:36:15 <hatguy_> i LIKE my hat
Apr 30 19:38:03 * agmlego steals the hat.
Apr 30 19:39:46 <panto> hat theft on the internets, serious business
Apr 30 19:40:17 * agmlego hides the hat in a seeeecret place.
Apr 30 19:40:18 <mranostay> panto: hair thefts as well
Apr 30 19:40:46 <jj2baile> hatguy_: dearest hatguy_ , you are a different hatguy_ right?
Apr 30 19:41:02 <hatguy_> agmlego: time for me to steal a nuclear sub
Apr 30 19:41:06 <tsquar3d_> Ohh.... IRC.
Apr 30 19:41:47 <hatguy_> jj2baile: i wouldn't be so sure....;-)
Apr 30 19:42:31 <hatguy_> mranostay: hahaha...wtf?
Apr 30 19:43:01 <hatguyshat> lol
Apr 30 19:43:07 <hatguyshat> needs spaces.
Apr 30 19:43:09 <mranostay> hatguyshat: panto is bald
Apr 30 19:43:27 <hat_guys_hat> Otherwise it says hat guy shat.
Apr 30 19:44:31 <jj2baile> and punctuation
Apr 30 19:44:37 <hatguy_> hat_guys_hat: dude y u want ppl to steal you?
Apr 30 19:45:00 * panto watches the off-topic-meter of the channel...
Apr 30 19:45:03 <panto> yep, gone to plaid
Apr 30 19:45:04 <hat_guys_hat> hatguy_, because...  I want to be wanted.
Apr 30 19:45:14 <hat_guys_hat> :-(
Apr 30 19:45:35 <crashovrd> less talk, more work
Apr 30 19:45:48 <mranostay> panto: maxed out isn't it?
Apr 30 19:48:17 <KotH> av500: i'm sure you would like to hear, that i just came back home to find a package full of fresh baklava in my post box ;->
Apr 30 19:48:48 <_av500_> I hate you
Apr 30 19:49:26 <KotH> it seems, you need more turkish friends ;-)
Apr 30 19:49:53 <ds2> hmmmm
Apr 30 19:50:28 <tsquar3d> Hey ds2 I didnt notice you lurking around.
Apr 30 19:50:56 <ds2> hello tsquar3d
Apr 30 19:51:36 <tsquar3d> 0/
Apr 30 19:53:30 <mranostay> _av500_: spread the love not the hate and spread the baklava
Apr 30 19:53:39 <_av500_> mranostay: if I had some
Apr 30 19:56:55 <mrpackethead> lurk.
Apr 30 19:57:04 <tsquar3d> lurkmoar
Apr 30 19:58:18 <mranostay> lurk all things!
Apr 30 19:58:36 <mranostay> and #tizenallthings
Apr 30 19:58:48 <tsquar3d> Huzzah!
Apr 30 19:58:57 * mranostay needs to get that out of his system
Apr 30 19:59:00 <mrpackethead> sigh.Another week, another development board asks for your support on Kickstarter.
Apr 30 19:59:09 <dm8tbr> mranostay: now you should have ample supply of stickers
Apr 30 20:00:00 <mrpackethead> the UDOO
Apr 30 20:00:14 <mrpackethead> theres deve boards a million
Apr 30 20:02:13 <tsquar3d> mranostay, I am just sticking with my launchpad
Apr 30 20:02:46 <tsquar3d> ... well, and the BBB. Of course.
Apr 30 20:03:38 <ds2> why the launchpad?
Apr 30 20:04:06 <tsquar3d> I love me some MSP430
Apr 30 20:04:14 <tsquar3d> ds2
Apr 30 20:04:27 <tsquar3d> And I like TI.
Apr 30 20:04:41 * KotH has bricked two launchpads today, due to faulty gcc...
Apr 30 20:05:08 <ds2> tsquar3d: why the launchpad?
Apr 30 20:05:14 <mru> KotH: how is that possible?
Apr 30 20:05:16 <tsquar3d> KotH, Gah! How did you manage that?
Apr 30 20:05:36 <tsquar3d> ds2, The short answer is that I like TI products.
Apr 30 20:06:11 <KotH> gcc places some dummy data into a reserved memory range. unfortunately TI forgot to document that this range is used to store BSL flags and passwords
Apr 30 20:06:12 <tsquar3d> Although if there was a canadian company that put out an alternative to launchpad/arduino... you might have me sold.
Apr 30 20:06:44 <KotH> ie, after writing the program once, and resetting the device, you cannot access it using jtag anymore
Apr 30 20:07:12 <KotH> mru: other than that: please remind me that i listen to your advice more often
Apr 30 20:07:16 <ds2> tsquar3d: not saying not MSP430...just asking why the launchpad board (vs ez430 vs....)
Apr 30 20:07:46 <mru> KotH: what advice did you ignore now?
Apr 30 20:08:28 <tsquar3d> ds2, I dunno. Have not really thought too much about it.
Apr 30 20:08:45 <tsquar3d> I have an ezchronos...
Apr 30 20:08:45 <ds2> tsquar3d: is the launchpad your first/only 430 board?
Apr 30 20:09:12 <KotH> mru: to use gcc instead of iar
Apr 30 20:09:15 <ds2> chronos is hard to prototype with so no arguments on using that as a dev board
Apr 30 20:09:31 <tsquar3d> ds2, It is the only 430 protoboard I have... I have various ATMega boards (arduino, etc)
Apr 30 20:09:35 <ds2> KotH: what programmer are you using?
Apr 30 20:09:51 <tsquar3d> ds2, I suppose because it is damned cheap.
Apr 30 20:09:54 <ds2> tsquar3d: ahhhh gotcha. the ez430 stuff, IMO, is nicer. smaller form factor
Apr 30 20:10:10 <KotH> ds2: the one of the launchpad
Apr 30 20:10:19 <ds2> I paid more for a launchpad then I did for a ez430
Apr 30 20:10:33 <tsquar3d> ds2, how did you manage that?
Apr 30 20:10:52 <ds2> tsquar3d: they gave them away at seminars
Apr 30 20:11:02 <tsquar3d> ds2, Aha... I gotcha.
Apr 30 20:11:30 <tsquar3d> ds2, So, I managed to contact mdp
Apr 30 20:11:39 <ds2> tsquar3d: you know the programmer you get with the chronos? the ez430 is a tiny quarter sized board that connects to it
Apr 30 20:12:30 <ds2> tsquar3d: ok
Apr 30 20:12:31 <tsquar3d> ds2, that makes sense..
Apr 30 20:12:44 <tsquar3d> ds2, I wondered what those break-outs were for.
Apr 30 20:15:05 <tsquar3d> I have a wolverine coming from TI here any day now.
Apr 30 20:15:40 <tsquar3d> Rawr.
Apr 30 20:15:52 <KotH> mru: at least now i have an official reason why i am using gcc instead of iar that even managment cannot question
Apr 30 20:16:59 <tsquar3d> KotH, It is open source?
Apr 30 20:17:04 <tsquar3d> That is my reason.
Apr 30 20:17:15 <ds2> tsquar3d: is mdp able to help?
Apr 30 20:17:23 <KotH> tsquar3d: nope: iar started to miscompile my code when i switched to a different license
Apr 30 20:17:37 <tsquar3d> ds2, He is still reviewing it, it seems.
Apr 30 20:17:52 <ds2> KotH: IAR is the biggest abomination ever. the editor is pure utter hell (worse then emacs)
Apr 30 20:18:03 <KotH> ds2: iar has an editor?
Apr 30 20:18:08 <tsquar3d> ds2, I will pretend you did not say that about emacs.
Apr 30 20:18:53 <ds2> tsquar3d: :)
Apr 30 20:20:20 <tsquar3d> ds2, I dunno, I really hope this pans out! Either way, I still need a) an advisor and b) someone to write for me 1-3 paragraphs as to how they can see the project benefit the community.
Apr 30 20:20:44 <tsquar3d> Not sure if I can get that by friday... as I have been trying for two weeks now. (!!!)
Apr 30 20:23:33 <tsquar3d> I seem to be getting a lot of people goind *interesting*, and *it looks good* but nobody that wants to help me out. I guess such is life, eh?
Apr 30 20:25:49 <panto> tsquar3d, don't whine
Apr 30 20:25:56 <panto> everyone is super busy right now
Apr 30 20:27:14 <tsquar3d> panto, not whining, he asked if I was able to find help.
Apr 30 20:27:48 <panto> I'm sure people will get around to take a look
Apr 30 20:27:53 * KotH whines instead
Apr 30 20:28:14 <Tartarus> Someones servo control off perhaps?
Apr 30 20:28:20 <tsquar3d> And I get that everyone is super busy -- it is coming to the end of the semester and I am spending most of my time these days helping undergrads learn javascript from scratch.
Apr 30 20:29:34 <tsquar3d> Its like *huh, I didnt see you in class... and now you want help?*
Apr 30 20:30:29 * tsquar3d shakes fist *UNNNDERGRADS!!!!!*
Apr 30 20:30:35 <ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww javascript
Apr 30 20:30:41 <ds2> do not pick on the poor UG's!
Apr 30 20:31:07 <tsquar3d> ds2 lol... nah, I love em.
Apr 30 20:31:32 <tsquar3d> The students are great... its other staff that are the issue.
Apr 30 20:32:25 <tsquar3d> ds2, I wanted to teach them python... but the head is all *we need to teach them something with web application*
Apr 30 20:32:34 <tsquar3d> ... sigh.
Apr 30 20:32:54 <ssi> hi folks, I'm trying to build an RT kernel for a black based on: http://yapatel.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_Xenomai_on_a_beaglebone#Patch_the_kernel , and my boot process is failing because I don't have a .dtb file... the kernel source I'm using as per the howto is 3.2, and there's no dts file for this hardware
Apr 30 20:33:04 <_av500_> javascript will rule the world
Apr 30 20:33:19 <tsquar3d> _av500_, JS and HTML5, so it seems
Apr 30 20:34:00 <ssi> is it something as simple as copying the dts file out of the 3.8 source, or is it more complex than that?
Apr 30 20:34:12 <panto> ssi, much, much, much more complex
Apr 30 20:34:19 <ssi> yeah i was afraid of that :)
Apr 30 20:34:52 <tsquar3d> lol.. sorry, guys.... it has been one of those days, ya know.
Apr 30 20:40:05 <woglinde> gn tsquar3d
Apr 30 20:40:10 <woglinde> gm mrpackethead
Apr 30 20:40:26 <tsquar3d> night woglinde!
Apr 30 20:40:29 <mrpackethead> hi
Apr 30 20:40:33 <panto> gnight
Apr 30 20:42:04 <Key> hello,
Apr 30 20:44:41 <tsquar3d> Hi Key
Apr 30 20:45:18 <Key> So I'm new to this whole IRC thing, can you guys fill me in on this chat? anything I need to know?
Apr 30 20:46:06 <_av500_> google it
Apr 30 20:46:10 <_av500_> google everything
Apr 30 20:50:21 <tsquar3d> Key, a word of advice -- IRC has its own set of etiquettes.
Apr 30 20:50:36 <tsquar3d> 1) Dont ask to ask a question
Apr 30 20:50:47 <_av500_> freenode has quite a few FAQs
Apr 30 20:50:47 <agmlego> Key: Read the guide int he topic.
Apr 30 20:50:53 <tsquar3d> 2) Be patient... its not like a normal chat room
Apr 30 20:50:58 <Key> I read the guide,
Apr 30 20:50:59 <agmlego> If you do that, and follow it, you will be better than 90% of IRCers.
Apr 30 20:51:22 <_av500_> Key: also, dont be scared
Apr 30 20:51:37 <mrpackethead> Key: watch out for trolls
Apr 30 20:51:39 <tsquar3d> Key, and dont get personally offended when someone is a dick... because the vast majority of peeps on irc are dicks.
Apr 30 20:51:57 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Key: what's your credit card info and address, I'll send you a hardbound guide for $3.00.
Apr 30 20:51:58 <_av500_> indeed
Apr 30 20:52:12 <mrpackethead> tsquar3d: why dont' you crawl into your hole, now you catagorgised everyone here.
Apr 30 20:52:31 <mrpackethead> tsquar3d: the vast majority of people in this channel are not dicks.
Apr 30 20:52:39 <mrpackethead> in fact they are highly skilled and intellenget
Apr 30 20:53:04 <mrpackethead> and some of the 'dicks' you just offended, will be picking a GoSC winner.
Apr 30 20:53:05 <tsquar3d> mrpackethead, we were not talking about this channel, we were talking about IRC.
Apr 30 20:53:21 <tsquar3d> This channel is actually very friendly.
Apr 30 20:53:24 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> now you're saying we're elite or something?
Apr 30 20:53:34 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> I'm offended.
Apr 30 20:53:35 <_av500_> elite dicks
Apr 30 20:53:52 <tsquar3d> lol.. Key, that is the trolling you were just warned about.
Apr 30 20:54:18 <_av500_> can we get back on topic
Apr 30 20:54:19 <mrpackethead> trolls? urgh.. I'm a hobbit.
Apr 30 20:56:50 <Farnarkle> Has anyone tried to fixed an LCD that used to work? I can't find any ways used to probe things in software etc - LCD7
Apr 30 20:57:25 <ds2> ewwwwwwwww LCD7
Apr 30 20:57:46 <Farnarkle> THey have a reputation?
Apr 30 20:57:50 <_av500_> no
Apr 30 20:58:01 <tsquar3d> mrpackethead, I hope I didnt actually piss you off. But a newbie to irc could really get chewed up and spit out on some of these channels.
Apr 30 20:58:11 <tsquar3d> ... especially freenode.
Apr 30 20:58:29 <tsquar3d> Isnt there a cape for that?
Apr 30 20:58:34 <ds2> tsquare3d: Blah... you obviously never been on EFnet :P
Apr 30 20:58:44 <mrpackethead> tsquar3d: do you thnk that you pissed me off?
Apr 30 20:59:02 <ds2> mrpackethead: is that a challenge? :D
Apr 30 20:59:08 <tsquar3d> mrpackethead, lol... you did tell me to crawl back into my hole....
Apr 30 20:59:20 <mrpackethead> tsquar3d: you'll have to try harder than that
Apr 30 20:59:21 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i think he was saying "get comfortable"
Apr 30 20:59:37 * mru wants an irc cape
Apr 30 20:59:52 <tsquar3d> *facepalm*
Apr 30 20:59:56 <ds2> i want an irc cane instead
Apr 30 20:59:59 <tsquar3d> irc cape.
Apr 30 21:00:05 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> what would an irc cape look like? lcd and keyboard?
Apr 30 21:00:10 <mrpackethead> i want.. i want i want..
Apr 30 21:00:22 <mrpackethead> i want a good GosC candidate to apply
Apr 30 21:00:27 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> maybe with some pressure detectors for your chair to set yoru nick to *_afk?
Apr 30 21:00:28 <mru> fpga-accelerated troll bot
Apr 30 21:00:28 <jj2baile> irc dumbterm cape, only lcd necessary~
Apr 30 21:00:32 <mrpackethead> to my other project
Apr 30 21:00:37 <tsquar3d> LCD touch screen capes (7 inch and 3.5 inch) provide LCD solutions with touch screen capability.
Apr 30 21:00:41 <Farnarkle> <- Hit IRC back in '97. AOL tech support had no idea what IRC was
Apr 30 21:00:43 <tsquar3d> *drool*
Apr 30 21:00:44 <mrpackethead> irc-bot-cape
Apr 30 21:00:44 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> mrpackethead: what is it?
Apr 30 21:00:50 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> mrpackethead: your other project
Apr 30 21:00:50 <mrpackethead> openlighting.
Apr 30 21:00:50 <ds2> just build your own LCD board
Apr 30 21:00:58 <ds2> it is so damn trival it isn't funny
Apr 30 21:00:58 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> open lighting? so, like a skylight?
Apr 30 21:01:08 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> without the glass?
Apr 30 21:01:17 <tsquar3d> mrpackethead, Are you implying that no good candidates have applied thus far?
Apr 30 21:01:51 <mrpackethead> hav'nt had any body that excites me
Apr 30 21:02:03 <mrpackethead> still hopefully the students will apply in the next day or so
Apr 30 21:02:04 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> mrpackethead: i can wear leather pants?
Apr 30 21:02:17 * tsquar3d skulks away with a shattered ego.
Apr 30 21:02:25 <mrpackethead> PRU_EVTOUT_2: the other project.. www.openlighting.net
Apr 30 21:02:33 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah, was reading it.
Apr 30 21:02:34 <jj2baile> tsquar3d: I believe he was speaking about specifically his other project.
Apr 30 21:02:38 <mrpackethead> tsquar3d: i dont' have anything to do with the GosC thing on this project.
Apr 30 21:02:45 <ds2> not www.openlightning.com?
Apr 30 21:02:53 <tsquar3d> Oh!
Apr 30 21:03:07 <tsquar3d> Well...
Apr 30 21:03:14 * tsquar3d brushes himself off
Apr 30 21:03:27 <mrpackethead> we've had ..  do i need to compile the code before i use it
Apr 30 21:03:38 <mrpackethead> we've had..  I' not sure what a library is
Apr 30 21:03:58 <mrpackethead> we've had. I dont' know C or C++, or Python, but i do know HTML
Apr 30 21:04:02 <_av500_> a place with books
Apr 30 21:04:06 <mrpackethead> can i program in HTML
Apr 30 21:04:13 <_av500_> only html5
Apr 30 21:04:28 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> they're students, what do you expect?
Apr 30 21:04:30 <tsquar3d> mrpackethead, I am so sorry.
Apr 30 21:04:31 <mru> I don't think this was a gsoc applicant, but still a good one: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/151
Apr 30 21:04:42 <mrpackethead> tsquar3d: dont' be sorry, apply!
Apr 30 21:04:53 <tsquar3d> openlighting.net?
Apr 30 21:04:59 <mrpackethead> openligthing.net
Apr 30 21:05:14 <mrpackethead> do you knwo anythitng about lighting control
Apr 30 21:05:15 <mrpackethead> ?
Apr 30 21:05:35 <mrpackethead> http://www.opendmx.net/index.php/OLA_SOC_Ideas_Page
Apr 30 21:05:37 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i personally control all the light in my house. i'm very skilled.
Apr 30 21:05:51 <mrpackethead> PRU_EVTOUT_2: in binary no less i am guessing
Apr 30 21:06:06 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> *how did you know?*
Apr 30 21:06:19 <mrpackethead> last years Gosc project.
Apr 30 21:06:43 * tsquar3d ran a spotlight once.
Apr 30 21:08:00 <mrpackethead> my new pcb design, did'nt smoke!
Apr 30 21:08:01 <mrpackethead> thats good
Apr 30 21:08:11 <ptan> mrpackethead: are these all university students that didn't know stuff? Are they freshmen or older?
Apr 30 21:08:12 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> unless
Apr 30 21:08:36 <mrpackethead> we probalby have had 50 applicatiosn, and the short list is 3
Apr 30 21:08:42 <mrpackethead> but even the 3 are not really up to it
Apr 30 21:08:47 <mrpackethead> maybe we are expecting too much
Apr 30 21:09:36 <ptan> hmmm... just wondering if the quality of kids has gone downhill...
Apr 30 21:09:59 <mrpackethead> the good kids can earn more than $5000 in the holidays
Apr 30 21:10:05 <mrpackethead> thats the other problem
Apr 30 21:10:48 <Farnarkle> We've not been impressed with people we've hired/wanted to hire. Too many want answers handed on a plate and think you don't have to dig into documentation and get your forehead bloody
Apr 30 21:10:48 <tsquar3d> mrpackethead, Well, if you want BBB controlled lighting, you can just have a look at my GSoC submission for beagle. @p
Apr 30 21:11:10 <mrpackethead> we already have our code running on BB
Apr 30 21:11:42 <jj2baile> Shortlist?
Apr 30 21:11:48 <tsquar3d> Well, mrpackethead, where could you see it going from there, then?
Apr 30 21:12:05 <mrpackethead> http://www.opendmx.net/index.php/OLA_SOC_Ideas_Page
Apr 30 21:12:21 <tsquar3d> What about running on a msp430?
Apr 30 21:12:39 <mrpackethead> that woudl be a chellenge
Apr 30 21:12:42 <jj2baile> How many students can beaglebone.org accommodate?
Apr 30 21:12:48 <mrpackethead> 1
Apr 30 21:12:49 <_av500_> we dont know yet
Apr 30 21:12:53 <mrpackethead> ?
Apr 30 21:12:58 <_av500_> the slots assignments are not out yet
Apr 30 21:12:58 <jj2baile> Eek
Apr 30 21:13:01 <panto> http://techreport.com/news/24737/amd-sheds-light-on-kaveri-uniform-memory-architecture
Apr 30 21:13:12 <panto> the wheel of reincarnation turns again
Apr 30 21:13:21 <_av500_> panto: and we use to scoff at GPU stealing CPU mem
Apr 30 21:14:06 <_av500_> used*
Apr 30 21:14:17 <tsquar3d> mrpackethead, challenge? That would be entertaining.
Apr 30 21:14:27 <ds2> panto: is that the 64bit ARM stuff?
Apr 30 21:14:31 <_av500_> no
Apr 30 21:15:32 <tsquar3d> The people you are all looking for ARE out there... they just tend not to be the type to apply to these sort of things.
Apr 30 21:17:25 <Farnarkle> Helps if HR doesn't look for purple squirrels either
Apr 30 21:17:54 <mrpackethead> yes.
Apr 30 21:17:59 <mrpackethead> i agree
Apr 30 21:18:04 <mrpackethead> i have a student working for me
Apr 30 21:18:05 <jacekowski> people you are looking for already have well paid jobs and they don't really have a need to look for another job
Apr 30 21:18:16 <mrpackethead> he will earn more than $5000 over the summer break
Apr 30 21:18:38 <mrpackethead> he works part time during school time
Apr 30 21:18:43 <Farnarkle> That's where networking comes in - as far as I've seen decent engineering types are bad at that
Apr 30 21:18:44 <mrpackethead> and full time over holidays
Apr 30 21:18:48 <panto> ds2, no
Apr 30 21:18:49 <_av500_> 2010 we had quite good students
Apr 30 21:18:58 <_av500_> here in bb.org
Apr 30 21:19:11 <panto> that's the new arch, which is old, which was new at some point in time
Apr 30 21:19:13 <tsquar3d> Yeah, the only problem is that my other job is teaching....and that sort of ends in the fall.
Apr 30 21:19:27 <panto> ds2, unified coherent address space for CPU/GPU
Apr 30 21:19:35 <panto> just like SGI's O2 from way back :)
Apr 30 21:19:45 <_av500_> ln -s /dev/mem /dev/gpu
Apr 30 21:20:00 <panto> _av500_, you're ready for samsung
Apr 30 21:20:07 <jacekowski> _av500_: i've had quite bad experience with students
Apr 30 21:20:07 <_av500_> of course
Apr 30 21:20:12 <tsquar3d> So, hey... $5000 sounds nice to me! (That and I cannot really get a decent paying job over the summer as I am only in this country for a few more months.
Apr 30 21:20:33 <jacekowski> altough, gsoc is probably slightly different to typical workplace
Apr 30 21:21:42 <_av500_> of course the $5000 is huge incentive
Apr 30 21:21:52 <_av500_> so it attracts also the wrong kind
Apr 30 21:22:09 <mru> well, it attracts the kind for which $5k is a huge incentive
Apr 30 21:22:24 <jacekowski> $5k is huge incentive for everyone
Apr 30 21:22:47 <mru> per day?
Apr 30 21:22:50 <tsquar3d> jacekowski, it depends on the time commitment is the thing.
Apr 30 21:22:59 <_av500_> +vat
Apr 30 21:23:06 <jacekowski> over 3 months
Apr 30 21:23:12 <mru> that's not huge
Apr 30 21:23:24 <mru> it's far from a real job
Apr 30 21:23:25 <jacekowski> that's extra $1600/month for not a lot of effort
Apr 30 21:24:08 <mrpackethead> 440 hours for $5000?
Apr 30 21:24:12 <mrpackethead> thats not exaclty high paid
Apr 30 21:24:22 <Key> I'm back. after reading  what you've said above I'm a little confused, a student is making $5000 for ..? I think I missed somthing
Apr 30 21:24:27 <mrpackethead> $11.356 hours
Apr 30 21:24:31 <_av500_> GSoC
Apr 30 21:24:39 <jacekowski> mrpackethead: where did you get 440hours?
Apr 30 21:24:47 <mrpackethead> 11 weeks at 40 hours a week
Apr 30 21:24:51 <tsquar3d> 40 hrs/week 11 weeks
Apr 30 21:24:54 <tsquar3d> Oops.
Apr 30 21:25:01 <jacekowski> people do it full time?
Apr 30 21:25:09 <mru> that's the idea
Apr 30 21:25:27 <jacekowski> ahm, ok
Apr 30 21:25:35 <tsquar3d> I think the point is -- compared to the full-time job you COULD be doing...
Apr 30 21:26:34 <jj2baile> I dunno, gsoc seems like a pretty good deal to me. Get to learn about interesting things through working on them, and get some money out of it too.
Apr 30 21:26:34 <tsquar3d> --- but, hey... my application is in.. so, yeah... no complaints from me.
Apr 30 21:27:06 <jj2baile> Also provides motivation to stick to working on said project,
Apr 30 21:27:16 <jacekowski> and well, $1600 in some countries is well above average wage
Apr 30 21:27:28 <jacekowski> and well above senior developer earnings
Apr 30 21:27:37 <tsquar3d> And in the UK... well below.
Apr 30 21:28:03 <mrpackethead> yup
Apr 30 21:28:29 <mrpackethead> its less than half what i'd pay my undergrad students.
Apr 30 21:28:41 <jj2baile> mrpackethead: where do you work by the way?
Apr 30 21:28:49 <jj2baile> If you don't mind my enquiry.
Apr 30 21:28:50 <mrpackethead> I run a company called Stellascapes
Apr 30 21:29:01 <mrpackethead> we design, and manufacture lighting control systems
Apr 30 21:29:01 <jacekowski> btw. how is that taxed
Apr 30 21:29:41 <jacekowski> if you look at it, it's well under personall allowance so you would not pay tax on it as far as i understand
Apr 30 21:29:49 <jacekowski> so that's £1k/month into your pocket
Apr 30 21:30:05 <pittbull> hi guys..i just wanted to chip in and say that yes $1600 in some countries is a lot of money..close to senior developer pay
Apr 30 21:30:12 <jacekowski> i don't think there are better 3month job offers for students out there
Apr 30 21:30:15 <vvu|Mobile> sincerely...gsoc is the best place where you can work at exactly what you like
Apr 30 21:30:35 <mru> jacekowski: I can make £1k in a day with a little luck
Apr 30 21:30:43 <jacekowski> mru: as a student?
Apr 30 21:30:46 <mru> no
Apr 30 21:30:52 <jacekowski> yeah that's the difference
Apr 30 21:30:58 <tsquar3d> jacekowski, well... maybe not for UNDERGRADS.
Apr 30 21:31:07 <Turl> hi guys
Apr 30 21:31:10 <mru> but even a regular summer job can easily pay better than gsoc
Apr 30 21:31:26 <jacekowski> mru: where do you live?
Apr 30 21:31:34 <mru> uk now
Apr 30 21:31:43 <mru> went to university in sweden
Apr 30 21:31:44 <Turl> do distributors get full say on BBB price?
Apr 30 21:31:47 <tsquar3d> mru, you have my empathy
Apr 30 21:31:49 <Key> well, I'm a student.  right now I'd consider $5 a day to be alot
Apr 30 21:32:02 <jacekowski> if not the fact that i'm not a student anymore i would be really interested in doing some gsoc stuff
Apr 30 21:32:04 <mru> working there during the summers I made more than gsoc is offering
Apr 30 21:32:10 <mru> especially if you consider inflation
Apr 30 21:32:18 <tsquar3d> Key, Jeez... are you from kenya or something?
Apr 30 21:32:26 <jacekowski> well gsoc pays more than uk minimum wage
Apr 30 21:32:36 <Key> midwest US,
Apr 30 21:32:50 <mru> as did the companies I worked for during the summers
Apr 30 21:32:50 <jacekowski> and well, i've never heard of a student doing a summer job for more than a minimum wage
Apr 30 21:32:55 <mru> mind, I was not flipping burgers
Apr 30 21:32:56 <tsquar3d> $5 a day, dude... you could do better at mcDs
Apr 30 21:33:16 <Key> slight problem, I can't get a job at mcDs,
Apr 30 21:33:27 <jacekowski> realistically, typical student can't even be trusted with flipping burgers
Apr 30 21:33:41 <tsquar3d> jacekowski, Ouch, dude....
Apr 30 21:34:05 <Turl> tsquar3d: pretty sure mcd pays half that
Apr 30 21:34:21 <tsquar3d> Half of $5 a day?
Apr 30 21:34:27 <Turl> an hour
Apr 30 21:34:30 <Turl> ah, you said a day
Apr 30 21:34:33 <tsquar3d> lol
Apr 30 21:34:38 <vvu|Mobile> compared to a intern at fb, twitter, google, cisco and others gsoc is small at paygrade
Apr 30 21:34:41 <jj2baile> Minimum wage in Canada at least, is amlost $11/hr
Apr 30 21:34:41 <jacekowski> mcd in uk pays 6.19
Apr 30 21:34:46 <Key> min wage here is like $7.25 or somthing
Apr 30 21:34:48 <jacekowski> (minimum wage)
Apr 30 21:35:02 <Key> with taxes and stuff it comes out to be $5ish
Apr 30 21:35:23 <tsquar3d> yeah... but that is GBP which is like $8 us
Apr 30 21:35:38 <tsquar3d> It is a 1.6 conversion rate....
Apr 30 21:35:41 <Turl> OpenHacks has BBB stock btw
Apr 30 21:35:47 <Turl> that's what I came to say :P
Apr 30 21:35:47 <tsquar3d> On it.
Apr 30 21:35:50 <jj2baile> tsquar3d: key said he was in Midwest US
Apr 30 21:36:02 <jacekowski> $9.61
Apr 30 21:36:11 <jacekowski> and taxes on minimum wage are fairly low
Apr 30 21:36:12 <tsquar3d> jj2baile, I caught that.
Apr 30 21:36:29 <jj2baile> oh wait i see, replying to jacekowski
Apr 30 21:36:32 <jj2baile> ma bad.
Apr 30 21:36:59 <Turl> we measure minimum wage monthly in here
Apr 30 21:36:59 <jj2baile> I wonder what locales McDonald's has greatest profitability in.
Apr 30 21:37:04 <Turl> it's 575 according to wikipedia
Apr 30 21:37:30 <jacekowski> and well, going back to student summer job market - i've not been a student for long time
Apr 30 21:37:47 <jacekowski> but my sister is at uni at the moment, and her options for a summer job are very limited
Apr 30 21:37:53 <jj2baile> Doing internships in not Summer is pretty nice. Probably a lot less competition
Apr 30 21:38:21 <jacekowski> and there are no options for more than minimum wage
Apr 30 21:38:31 <pittbull> I think the whole discussion is relative to countries
Apr 30 21:38:45 <mdp> in .us co-op is the way to go...make great money and gain experience that makes you marketable
Apr 30 21:38:59 <pittbull> in underdeveloped countries that money tends to be a lot
Apr 30 21:39:09 <jj2baile> yeah, I go to a university with a very large focus on co-op
Apr 30 21:39:11 <pittbull> especially from a undergrads point of view
Apr 30 21:39:26 <Turl> btw, GSoC is a mismomer if you're on this side of the world
Apr 30 21:39:32 <Turl> GWoC would be better
Apr 30 21:39:36 <jj2baile> :)
Apr 30 21:39:44 <Turl> misnomer*
Apr 30 21:41:45 <ka6sox> nap time
Apr 30 21:45:06 <tsquar3d> Turl, it looks like they only ship to argentina...
Apr 30 21:46:26 <tsquar3d> Well, regardless, I think it would be perfect for me this summer as I really cannot do much else besides wait to go back to north america.
Apr 30 21:47:36 <tsquar3d> Openhacks wont let me change country...
Apr 30 21:47:53 <mru> panto: what an elaborate way of saying iommu
Apr 30 21:48:12 <Turl> tsquar3d: they also cost slightly over 100US$ :)
Apr 30 21:48:23 <tsquar3d> Turl, Yyyyyyyikes.
Apr 30 21:48:27 <tsquar3d> Okay.. never mind.
Apr 30 21:49:38 <tsquar3d> Sigh... I am going to either have to a) Hope I get the gsoc and have one sent to me or b) have it sent to my family in the states and have it sent to me or c) Wait until june for the UK to get their act together.
Apr 30 21:50:03 <Turl> d) get a rpi on the UK
Apr 30 21:50:06 * Turl hides
Apr 30 21:50:34 <Farnarkle> Seems I have a dodgy power supply that was not working on the LCD7 grrrrrr
Apr 30 21:50:55 <tsquar3d> Turl har har.
Apr 30 21:51:07 <tsquar3d> Seriously... I do not trust anything manufactured in the UK.
Apr 30 21:52:15 <tsquar3d> I redact that...
Apr 30 21:52:19 <ka6sox> tsquar3d, then turn in all your ARM stuff... NOW...
Apr 30 21:52:29 <ka6sox> do not pass GO
Apr 30 21:52:31 <mru> who fabs arm in the uk?
Apr 30 21:52:55 <tsquar3d> I do not trust anything produced by a UK company.
Apr 30 21:53:04 <tsquar3d> That is what I should have said.
Apr 30 21:53:14 <mru> produced or designed?
Apr 30 21:53:15 <tsquar3d> Because RPi outsourced production to china.
Apr 30 21:53:34 <ka6sox> tsquar3d, who doesnt' currently :P
Apr 30 21:53:35 <tsquar3d> mru, designed.
Apr 30 21:53:47 <mru> so turn in all your arm gadgets
Apr 30 21:53:49 <mru> *now*
Apr 30 21:54:13 <Farnarkle> I'll take 'em :)
Apr 30 21:54:15 <tsquar3d> lol... sigh... no..
Apr 30 21:54:19 <mru> that's roughly equivalent to everything electronic
Apr 30 21:54:33 <Turl> tsquar3d: ARM Ltd. is in the UK :)
Apr 30 21:54:56 <tsquar3d> lol
Apr 30 21:54:57 <ka6sox> tsquar3d, your ARM privs have been REVOKED.
Apr 30 21:55:03 <tsquar3d> How did that happen?
Apr 30 21:55:41 <Turl> tsquar3d: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Holdings
Apr 30 21:55:45 <tsquar3d> No, I know...
Apr 30 21:55:48 <tsquar3d> Slipped my mind.
Apr 30 21:56:09 <ka6sox> Open Mouth....Insert Pata
Apr 30 21:56:39 * tsquar3d crosses arms indignantly.
Apr 30 21:57:00 <Turl> you can't say arm anymore now
Apr 30 21:57:12 <tsquar3d> lol
Apr 30 21:57:25 <mru> waatch it, there are arm employees in this channel
Apr 30 21:57:45 <ka6sox> mru,  tsquar3d can't say it anymore...
Apr 30 21:58:00 <tsquar3d> ARM ARM ARM FARM
Apr 30 21:58:13 <Turl> tip: 'upper limb'
Apr 30 21:58:21 <ka6sox> now where is that k-line?
Apr 30 21:58:30 <Turl> k----------------
Apr 30 21:58:34 <Turl> ka6sox: ^ there
Apr 30 21:58:46 <ka6sox> Turl, +1
Apr 30 21:59:13 <tsquar3d> I am just surprised that they were able to actually sit down over here and get something productive done.
Apr 30 21:59:14 <jj2baile> dbelange: of course /you/ would be here too.
Apr 30 21:59:20 * ka6sox banishes tsquar3d to #raspberrypi
Apr 30 21:59:30 <tsquar3d> noooooooo......
Apr 30 21:59:33 <Turl> 2 days remaining for gsoc hm :/
Apr 30 21:59:46 <tsquar3d> lol
Apr 30 21:59:49 <mru> tsquar3d: where do you mean?
Apr 30 22:00:04 <tsquar3d> England.... where I live....
Apr 30 22:00:08 <tsquar3d> :-p
Apr 30 22:00:43 <tsquar3d> It actually makes me a little happy inside, to be honest.
Apr 30 22:00:48 <mru> what?
Apr 30 22:00:53 <ka6sox> huh?
Apr 30 22:01:37 <tsquar3d> A glimmer of hope -- a glimpse of Englands long lost computing heritage.
Apr 30 22:01:46 <mru> WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Apr 30 22:02:18 <tsquar3d> What do you mean what am I talking about
Apr 30 22:02:19 <tsquar3d> ?
Apr 30 22:02:34 <mru> what "it" are you referring to?
Apr 30 22:02:54 * ka6sox slowly backs out of the room...
Apr 30 22:02:56 <tsquar3d> Oh... the fact that there is actually a really good computing company in the UK.
Apr 30 22:03:05 <tsquar3d> ARM
Apr 30 22:03:11 <prpplague> hehe
Apr 30 22:03:32 <tsquar3d> England has really lost its rich computing heritage.
Apr 30 22:03:35 <prpplague> lordy, i thought he was going to troll us by talking about rpi
Apr 30 22:04:14 <tsquar3d> prpplague, and then theres the pi.
Apr 30 22:04:31 <mru> that doesn't count for a number of reasons
Apr 30 22:04:35 <mru> firstly, it's a disgrace
Apr 30 22:04:40 <mru> secondly, broadcom is a us company
Apr 30 22:04:52 <ka6sox> mru +2
Apr 30 22:05:02 <tsquar3d> ... TI is also a US company.
Apr 30 22:05:08 * crashovrd makes popcorn
Apr 30 22:05:11 <mru> no, TI is a texas company
Apr 30 22:05:33 <tsquar3d> Texas is a state in the US...
Apr 30 22:05:50 <crashovrd> we were a nation once!
Apr 30 22:05:51 <ka6sox> it is the only state that was a country before.
Apr 30 22:06:04 <mru> tsquar3d: you don't seem to understand how texas works
Apr 30 22:06:09 <ka6sox> and can legally suceed
Apr 30 22:06:26 <tsquar3d> lol... okay.. so Texas is no longer part of the United States.. got it.
Apr 30 22:06:28 <ka6sox> I should learn how to spell that.
Apr 30 22:06:48 <tsquar3d> :-p
Apr 30 22:06:49 <prpplague> tsquar3d: sshhh they hang people for saying Texas is part of the US
Apr 30 22:06:53 <Key> nope, texas can't suceed
Apr 30 22:06:56 * crashovrd gets a rope
Apr 30 22:07:09 <tsquar3d> prpplague, Only the tea-party.
Apr 30 22:07:18 <Key> shoot, I forgot, can we post links here?
Apr 30 22:07:32 * prpplague notes that tsquar3d probably hasn't visited Texas much
Apr 30 22:07:36 <tsquar3d> And, mru, I was not counting the pi in the UKs favour.
Apr 30 22:07:48 <mrpackethead> i wonder what Texas would be like as a country now
Apr 30 22:07:49 <tsquar3d> prpplague, I have family in texas.
Apr 30 22:08:00 <mrpackethead> i reckon they woudl execute anyone who got arrested
Apr 30 22:08:04 <crashovrd> mrpackethead, heavily armed
Apr 30 22:08:05 <prpplague> tsquar3d: hehe then you should know
Apr 30 22:08:07 <crashovrd> :)
Apr 30 22:08:40 <ka6sox> Key, article VII
Apr 30 22:09:50 <tsquar3d> But... anywhoo... what I was trying to get at is that computing in the UK has gone waaaaay downhill. The powers that be were debating last year whether to teach computing at all in schools.
Apr 30 22:10:11 <ka6sox> tsquar3d, in a room where OT is the NORM...this is even too wierd.
Apr 30 22:10:35 <ka6sox> I suggest you don't go to a pub and start this convo.
Apr 30 22:10:37 <tsquar3d> ... but it is nice to know that there is actually still some stand-up computing happening here.
Apr 30 22:10:44 <mru> tsquar3d: appalling as that may sound, they never really taught anything useful in schools anyway
Apr 30 22:10:48 <mru> not in my experience at least
Apr 30 22:11:06 <Key> what was the argument opposing computers in school?
Apr 30 22:11:14 <tsquar3d> Oh... I know... I am teaching 3rd year computing students who have NO IDEA how to program.
Apr 30 22:11:23 <crashovrd> if a child wants to learn, they will. dont need a school to teach it. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs did not go to school to 'learn computers'
Apr 30 22:11:23 <tsquar3d> .. at Uni.
Apr 30 22:11:23 <mru> I' assuming they weren't going to cancel CS programmes at universities
Apr 30 22:11:51 <mru> I've taught cs at uni too
Apr 30 22:11:51 <crashovrd> its as simple as a google search to find any educational material desired
Apr 30 22:11:53 <tsquar3d> mru, no -- this is A level and GCSE level.
Apr 30 22:12:08 <mru> some had a bit of prior experience, some not
Apr 30 22:12:10 <Key> crashovrd, neither of them really went to school at all, haha
Apr 30 22:12:11 <tsquar3d> crashovrd, I would whole-heartedly agree with that.
Apr 30 22:12:17 <crashovrd> yet Bill Gates and Steve Jobs somehow 'learned computers' without the internet
Apr 30 22:12:33 <tsquar3d> crashovrd, What I was trying to illustrate is the cultural disregard for computing.
Apr 30 22:12:35 <mru> the easiest to teach were actually the smart ones *without* prior experience
Apr 30 22:12:42 <mru> they didn't need to unlearn bad habits
Apr 30 22:12:59 <thurbad_> heh
Apr 30 22:12:59 <crashovrd> you cant throw a rock without hitting a computer today. they were extremely hard to come by and expensive back in the day
Apr 30 22:13:17 <crashovrd> so, no, i dont feel sorry for any kids that cant 'learn computers'
Apr 30 22:13:29 <thurbad_> that doesn't make the average person computer litereate
Apr 30 22:13:43 <crashovrd> and i dont think a foundation to further that goal or an advert campaign by facebook dude and ms dude is going to change things
Apr 30 22:13:46 <thurbad_> or me English literate :P
Apr 30 22:13:52 <mru> the first-year uni students who had any knack for programming picked it up quickly
Apr 30 22:14:42 <crashovrd> what they want is cheap and plentiful labor to exploit
Apr 30 22:14:53 * crashovrd kicks the conspiracy level up a notch
Apr 30 22:15:12 <tsquar3d> mru, yes, there are students that come in and are just awesome programmers -- however, most of them are not...
Apr 30 22:15:29 <tsquar3d> and that would be fine, but we graduate them with a degree in computing with NO programming skill.
Apr 30 22:15:37 <mru> none of them were "awesome programmers" when they got there
Apr 30 22:15:47 <mru> but some of them were rather decent when they left
Apr 30 22:16:05 <mru> and some were reckless programmers when they started
Apr 30 22:16:29 <tsquar3d> mru -- where do you teach?
Apr 30 22:16:37 <mru> I don't any more
Apr 30 22:16:45 <tsquar3d> did
Apr 30 22:16:52 <mru> kth in stockholm
Apr 30 22:16:57 <thurbad_> computer science is not programming
Apr 30 22:17:29 <tsquar3d> thurbad_, Yes, and physics is not math...
Apr 30 22:17:29 <mru> computer science is not engineering
Apr 30 22:17:43 <mru> a good programmer needs a bit of both
Apr 30 22:17:45 <tsquar3d> But you dont get a degree in physics without being able to add.
Apr 30 22:18:12 <tsquar3d> ... and you should not be given a degree in computing or computer science without being able to code.
Apr 30 22:18:41 * mranostay rolls in
Apr 30 22:18:51 <tsquar3d> 0/ mranostay
Apr 30 22:18:55 * ka6sox throws mranostay into the mix
Apr 30 22:18:56 <mru> great, we can use some more trolls here
Apr 30 22:19:13 <thurbad_> degrees in general are too easy to get in the US.. dunno about the rest of the world
Apr 30 22:19:24 * vvu|Mobile hides away in fear!
Apr 30 22:19:28 <mru> I wouldn't know, I don't have one
Apr 30 22:19:29 <tsquar3d> thurbad_, ...
Apr 30 22:19:40 <mranostay> mru: +1
Apr 30 22:19:45 <tsquar3d> I got my BSc in physics in the states....
Apr 30 22:19:54 <tsquar3d> My MPhil will be in computing from the UK.
Apr 30 22:20:19 <ka6sox> assuming they don't throw you out for denigrating them
Apr 30 22:20:29 <tsquar3d> I can tell you... at least from my personal experience... a US degree is SOOOOOO much harder than a UK degree.
Apr 30 22:20:30 <thurbad_> heh
Apr 30 22:20:39 <tsquar3d> lol, true story, ka6sox
Apr 30 22:21:00 <tsquar3d> *on average.
Apr 30 22:21:13 <thurbad_> does everyone and their brother go to college outside of the US?
Apr 30 22:21:25 <tsquar3d> Obviously, you cannot compare a community college with Oxford.
Apr 30 22:21:28 <mru> yet american engineers are not generally better than european ones
Apr 30 22:21:41 <ka6sox> mru +1
Apr 30 22:21:45 <tsquar3d> European != English
Apr 30 22:22:54 <ka6sox> 1 day of On Topic and the room just can't stand it...has to be back to 1e40 Troll Level.
Apr 30 22:23:02 <thurbad_> I'm not talking just community college
Apr 30 22:23:25 <mranostay> ka6sox: heh we can dream about being on topic at least
Apr 30 22:23:25 <crashovrd> so how about those device trees!
Apr 30 22:23:33 <tsquar3d> thurbad_, Didnt say you were, I was just saying that on average a US degree is harder than a UK degree.
Apr 30 22:23:42 <thurbad_> I was more impressed by the level of CS students at junior college level than university
Apr 30 22:23:43 <ds2> computer science folks are ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Apr 30 22:23:49 <mru> maybe it harder to get, but it isn't _worth_ more
Apr 30 22:23:59 <mru> ds2: +HUGE_VAL
Apr 30 22:25:08 <tsquar3d> thurbad_, sorry, in the US they use the words College and University interchangeably.
Apr 30 22:25:33 <tsquar3d> ds2, ishy ishy-poo.
Apr 30 22:25:35 <woglinde> hm I am compuer science folk
Apr 30 22:26:23 <mranostay> ka6sox: so how about those Knicks?
Apr 30 22:27:11 * ka6sox is certain he has NO opinion
Apr 30 22:27:30 <tsquar3d> mranostay, is that an indie band?
Apr 30 22:27:35 * tsquar3d snickers.
Apr 30 22:28:00 <tsquar3d> mmm.. snickers.
Apr 30 22:28:21 * tsquar3d drools on keyboard.
Apr 30 22:29:32 <ka6sox> oh look...Free Cheese Fries @ Outback Steakhouse.
Apr 30 22:30:02 <tsquar3d> Oh, god.. I am so hungry now.
Apr 30 22:30:20 <mru> btw, there was a car parked outside earlier with licence plate DD05 DOS
Apr 30 22:30:36 <mranostay> pics or gtfo
Apr 30 22:30:48 <tsquar3d> They want to denail of service DOS?
Apr 30 22:30:56 <DaddyRocket> Hello all!
Apr 30 22:31:04 <tsquar3d> mranostay, I was lectured earlier about this not being 4chan.
Apr 30 22:31:05 <ka6sox> Hello You!
Apr 30 22:31:26 <tsquar3d> Hello enthusiastic person!
Apr 30 22:31:26 <thurbad_> no, university's offer postgraduate degrees colleges are 2 or 4 year programs
Apr 30 22:31:29 <DaddyRocket> Just got my BB black today.  Very excited.
Apr 30 22:31:35 <_av500_> nice
Apr 30 22:31:45 * mranostay never paid attention in class
Apr 30 22:31:49 <DaddyRocket> Though I'm having an issue loading the driver on windows 8 x64, fails every time
Apr 30 22:31:55 <DaddyRocket> anyone have any ideas?
Apr 30 22:32:02 * vvu|Mobile still waits for conrad to ship faster that black!
Apr 30 22:32:03 <mranostay> don't run Windows 8?
Apr 30 22:32:06 <tsquar3d> DaddyRocket,dont use windows 8?
Apr 30 22:32:12 <tsquar3d> lol!
Apr 30 22:32:17 <DaddyRocket> well played...
Apr 30 22:32:18 <ka6sox> DaddyRocket, Cheese Fries for dinner?
Apr 30 22:32:55 <tsquar3d> Okay.. ka6sox, no more talk about food... it is 11.30 and I do not need to eat any more today.
Apr 30 22:32:56 <mranostay> ka6sox: Cheese Fries and Fosters?
Apr 30 22:33:04 <thurbad_> many people do use the words interchangeably.... many people "I seen it" too
Apr 30 22:33:05 <DaddyRocket> hah
Apr 30 22:33:18 <ka6sox> mranostay,  no Fosters please.
Apr 30 22:33:40 <DaddyRocket> i'm going to make an LED blink.  very exciting.
Apr 30 22:33:41 <ka6sox> one of those fine Aussie Malbec's
Apr 30 22:33:42 <Farnarkle> Fosters - Ozzie for urine
Apr 30 22:33:44 <tsquar3d> mranostay, not brewed in WI, not happening.
Apr 30 22:34:28 <mranostay> What is great about WI beer?
Apr 30 22:34:30 <ka6sox> DaddyRocket, thats a start!
Apr 30 22:34:36 <tsquar3d> ...
Apr 30 22:35:04 <ka6sox> better than contorting it to do RT.
Apr 30 22:35:07 <tsquar3d> To understand Wisconsin beer, you must first understand Wisconsin and its cultural composition --
Apr 30 22:35:39 * ka6sox changes the subject to Wisconsin Beers: Why drink them at all?
Apr 30 22:36:00 <mru> are there any I might have heard of?
Apr 30 22:36:20 <ka6sox> wisconsin has culture?
Apr 30 22:36:42 <Farnarkle> It takes culture to make cheese
Apr 30 22:37:02 <Farnarkle> Bacterial - but culture nevertheless
Apr 30 22:37:17 <tsquar3d> Wisconsin is made up of mostly German, Irish, Bohemian, Norwegian and general Nordic and Slavic peoples.
Apr 30 22:38:59 <mranostay> WI has cheese and I've been there on business once in the middle of Feburary
Apr 30 22:39:08 <mranostay> that is all i know about WI
Apr 30 22:39:33 <tsquar3d> Together, with an environment that has lush nutrient-rich soil and an abundance of minerals deposited by glaciers which crafted its landscape and the harsh winters provides for hearty grains....
Apr 30 22:40:41 <prpplague> mranostay: WI? West Indies? hehe
Apr 30 22:41:26 * mranostay smacks prpplague 
Apr 30 22:41:48 <tsquar3d> Because of this, these grains make for some of the finest beers -- combined with the mix of German, Irish, Bohemian, Nordic and Slavic heritages -- and their rich brewing cultures that stretch back hundreds of years ---
Apr 30 22:41:54 <ka6sox> the next conference needs to be on some fun tropical island.
Apr 30 22:42:19 <tsquar3d> Only the most delicious brew is acceptable.
Apr 30 22:42:27 <ka6sox> forget San Francisco or Chilly places in .eu
Apr 30 22:42:33 <mranostay> ka6sox: yeah i'm sure i'm not going to be expense $300 of rum :P
Apr 30 22:42:37 <mranostay> *able to
Apr 30 22:42:58 <ka6sox> I guess if you don't mind being Mugged then barcelona isn't that cold.
Apr 30 22:43:26 <tsquar3d> ... I dont actually drink beer.
Apr 30 22:43:26 <mranostay> what was the mugging total again? :)
Apr 30 22:43:44 * tsquar3d trololololo
Apr 30 22:44:30 <ka6sox> 11 is back
Apr 30 22:44:32 <panto> g'night all
Apr 30 22:44:36 <ka6sox> nite panto
Apr 30 22:44:41 <tsquar3d> 0/ panto
Apr 30 22:44:57 <Turl> nite panto
Apr 30 22:47:59 <DaddyRocket> driver won't load on OSX, either...
Apr 30 22:48:20 <tsquar3d> DaddyRocket, dont use OSX
Apr 30 22:48:40 <DaddyRocket> wait....what?!
Apr 30 22:49:11 <woglinde> OSX is not flexible the hardware which it runs on either
Apr 30 22:49:40 <ka6sox> DaddyRocket, what driver?
Apr 30 22:49:53 <DaddyRocket> the drivers from the beaglebone startup
Apr 30 22:50:44 <tsquar3d> Wait a minute... TI makes the ARM chip in BBB, dont they?!
Apr 30 22:51:15 <_av500_> yes
Apr 30 22:51:40 <tsquar3d> So, isnt the fact that ARM is a UK company irrelevant?
Apr 30 22:52:28 <Shadyman> Yes.
Apr 30 22:52:40 <Shadyman> ARM licenses its tech to many companies
Apr 30 22:52:56 <Shadyman> it's like x86. Anyone can make an x86 processor with the proper licenses
Apr 30 22:53:28 <tsquar3d> Aha!
Apr 30 22:53:33 <DaddyRocket> guess i'll wait until i find a mini hdmi converter
Apr 30 22:53:36 * tsquar3d takes back his ARM devices.
Apr 30 22:53:52 <mranostay> yeah most chip companies license their IP
Apr 30 22:54:18 <Turl> Shadyman: does anyone license x86 designs?
Apr 30 22:54:21 <crashovrd> UK made ARM, but Apple 'made' ARM
Apr 30 22:54:21 <tsquar3d> DaddyRocket, try linux?
Apr 30 22:54:23 * crashovrd puns
Apr 30 22:54:42 * tsquar3d glares at crashovrd
Apr 30 22:55:13 * crashovrd looks at tsquar3d 's Acorn
Apr 30 22:55:26 <mru> crashovrd: apple was one of the founding partners in arm, but they pulled out before it took off
Apr 30 22:55:34 <mru> so they don't deserve much credit there
Apr 30 22:56:03 * tsquar3d winks at crashovrd... you like what you see, big boy?
Apr 30 22:56:27 <crashovrd> stranger danger!
Apr 30 22:56:31 * crashovrd gets an adult
Apr 30 22:56:43 <tsquar3d> Apple really doesnt deserve much credit anywhere.
Apr 30 22:56:58 <prpplague> wmat: hey if you have time can you add this to the fs2 pages? http://elinux.org/A13_OLinuXino-MICRO
Apr 30 22:57:01 * tsquar3d sees a conspicuous black van pull up.
Apr 30 22:57:52 * tsquar3d sees Chris Hansen step out....
Apr 30 22:59:50 <rbarris> @DaddyRocket, which OSX version are you on
Apr 30 23:00:21 <rbarris> someone earlier noticed on their 10.6.x system that if they rebooted the host, they could connect.
Apr 30 23:00:38 <rbarris> Mine just came in the mail and I'm not off work yet to try it... later tonight
Apr 30 23:09:33 <tsquar3d> So.. does anyone know of a canadian company that makes MCUs or prototyping boards?
Apr 30 23:09:59 <tsquar3d> And ATI does not count... they are dead.
Apr 30 23:10:08 <_av500_> RIM makes boards
Apr 30 23:11:27 <krishna2__> Greetings. Just got the Beaglebone black today and I plugged it into my macbook pro laptop (via usb and plugged ethernet cable to the local switch) and the web site is visible via browser. I am not able to log in via ssh. I get the "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" error. Looks like I have to change some setting on the bone (from searching online). Is that right?
Apr 30 23:12:12 <tsquar3d> Ha! I forgot about RIM! Wow...
Apr 30 23:12:45 <rbarris> I used to buy HC12 MCU boards from technological arts, I think they are in Canada... why ?>
Apr 30 23:13:27 <tsquar3d> rbarris, moving there in 4 months.
Apr 30 23:14:00 <rbarris> oh, looking for a job, or a source ?
Apr 30 23:14:31 <tsquar3d> Maybe both... just looking, I suppose.
Apr 30 23:15:40 <tsquar3d> Gah! Technological arts needs a web designer hard!
Apr 30 23:24:55 <tsquar3d> Hmm, rbarris do you know of a canadian company that actually makes microcontrollers? I cant find any
Apr 30 23:28:01 <prpplague> jkridner|work: http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Ideas#Mentors
Apr 30 23:32:06 <tsquar3d> prpplague, yay... another mentor!
Apr 30 23:33:59 <tsquar3d> prpplague -- so you want to work to compile arduino sketches to executables?
Apr 30 23:39:28 <prpplague> tsquar3d: already have the core support working
Apr 30 23:39:48 <tsquar3d> prpplague, cool... what would you need out of a student, then?
Apr 30 23:40:28 <prpplague> unwavering obedience and unquestioning loyalty
Apr 30 23:41:28 <tsquar3d> prpplague, well.. I can do that.
Apr 30 23:41:59 <prpplague> tsquar3d: we already have 5 others that are submitting for this one, might want to look at some of the others
Apr 30 23:42:29 <tsquar3d> prpplague, well, I do have my own proposal -- but I am still trying to find a mentor.
Apr 30 23:42:39 <tsquar3d> https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/tsquar3d/1
Apr 30 23:43:02 <ds2> prpplague: prehaps you can print up an ideal student with your M2 :)
Apr 30 23:43:23 <prpplague> ds2: uh no
Apr 30 23:44:02 <ds2> still not working?
Apr 30 23:44:12 <tsquar3d> prpplague, but you wouldnt be interested in data collection, would you?
Apr 30 23:45:36 <prpplague> no
Apr 30 23:45:56 <tsquar3d> prpplague, okay... I just thought I would ask.
Apr 30 23:53:32 <tsquar3d> Hey, koen, do you have any areas of interest for GSoC?
Apr 30 23:53:46 <mru> guns and 3d printers
Apr 30 23:54:51 <tsquar3d> mru, actually that is pretty awesome.
Apr 30 23:55:23 * tsquar3d wants a 3d printer hard.
Apr 30 23:55:43 <mru> what would you print?
Apr 30 23:56:44 <tsquar3d> guns.
Apr 30 23:57:04 <tsquar3d> lol
Apr 30 23:57:14 <tsquar3d> Maybe start smaller.
Apr 30 23:58:01 <tsquar3d> Actually, I said at a staff meeting that my research interests include 3d printing exotic objects such as firearms.
Apr 30 23:58:18 <tsquar3d> Needless to say... nobody wanted to network with me.
May 01 00:01:34 <tsquar3d> I dunno... I am a pretty nice guy.
May 01 00:02:30 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> tsquar3d: don't you have some visualization software to work on? :P
May 01 00:02:59 <tsquar3d> PRU_EVTOUT_2, nope. Need to get a mentor first.
May 01 00:03:04 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> why?
May 01 00:03:22 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> (honest question)
May 01 00:03:33 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> can you not start until some date or something?
May 01 00:04:26 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm sick of programming.
May 01 00:04:28 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i want to go fly a kite.
May 01 00:04:35 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> from the top of a tree.
May 01 00:04:40 <tsquar3d> PRU_EVTOUT_2, Well, if I am not going to be participating in GSoC, there are other projects I can work on -- but none that I want to do nearly as bad.
May 01 00:04:45 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> maybe a pine, so it sways.
May 01 00:04:56 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> why not just do it then?
May 01 00:05:01 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i don't understand.
May 01 00:05:08 <crashovrd> im going to win GSoC! \o/
May 01 00:05:15 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> what's your project?
May 01 00:05:37 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> someone should do a beaglebone powered flashlight.
May 01 00:06:09 <tsquar3d> PRU_EVTOUT_2, https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/tsquar3d/1
May 01 00:06:16 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> that doubles as line-of-site visible wireless link.
May 01 00:08:42 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> what were some of the research projects you worked on about?
May 01 00:09:32 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> nm.
May 01 00:09:40 <tsquar3d> ...
May 01 00:09:45 <tsquar3d> Started entering text....
May 01 00:09:46 <tsquar3d> lol
May 01 00:18:23 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> man, i wish i was smart.
May 01 00:19:49 <tsquar3d> dont we all
May 01 00:22:06 <mru> I wish _all those other people_ were smart
May 01 00:22:24 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> but then we'd be working at gas stations.
May 01 00:22:43 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> not that there's anything wrong with working at a gas station (except it's boring).
May 01 00:23:07 <mru> oh, I'd be even smarter of course
May 01 00:23:34 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> no, you said "other people" no taksies backsies.
May 01 00:23:35 <tsquar3d> Sometimes I think working at a gas station would have been smarter than going to school for all these years.
May 01 00:24:01 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i wish i could have gone to school for all these years rather than work.
May 01 00:25:27 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> sure, i have a comfy desk job at a silicon valley startup, but still, i want to do more interesting stuff than i am now.
May 01 00:25:43 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> stupid money.
May 01 00:26:33 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> tsquar3d: lets start a business and do interesting things!
May 01 00:27:32 <chupacabra> yay my bbb shipped today
May 01 00:27:45 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> mine shipped yesterday. nah nah.
May 01 00:27:52 <chupacabra> wheeeee
May 01 00:28:24 <mru> mine _arrived_ weeks if not months ago :)
May 01 00:28:41 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> nobody cares mru!
May 01 00:29:20 <ds2> blah
May 01 00:29:24 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> *cares about mru.
May 01 00:29:39 * mru certainly doesn't
May 01 00:29:40 <tsquar3d> PRU_EVTOUT_2, I will take your money... it is okay.
May 01 00:29:48 * tsquar3d cares...
May 01 00:30:12 <tsquar3d> Mostly because it is going to take forever to get to this side of the pond.
May 01 00:34:55 <crashovrd> interesting ...
May 01 00:35:30 <crashovrd> "Deepu [Talla] joined Nvidia earlier this year as vice president of Tegra business development. Before that, he was at Texas Instruments for more than a decade, most recently serving as general manager of the semiconductor company's OMAP mobile computing business."
May 01 00:35:47 <crashovrd> "The GPU maker announced on Tuesday that Deepu Talla is being promoted to lead the Tegra business department."
May 01 00:36:04 <mru> well, considering what happened to omap...
May 01 00:39:21 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> mru: qualcomm?
May 01 00:39:32 <mru> what of them?
May 01 00:45:01 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> mru: is that what happened to omap?
May 01 00:45:57 <mru> omap got canned under that guy
May 01 00:46:02 <mru> will he do the same to tegra?
May 01 00:46:42 <tsquar3d> Alright, all... off to sleep. nite!
May 01 01:00:32 <krishna2__> Greetings. Just got the Beaglebone black today and I plugged it into my macbook pro laptop (via usb and plugged ethernet cable to the local switch) and the web site is visible via browser. I am not able to log in via ssh. I get the "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" error. Looks like I have to change some setting on the bone (from searching online). Is that right?
May 01 01:00:50 <krishna2__> I cannot log in via ssh or via serial
May 01 01:00:54 <krishna2__> what do i do?
May 01 01:01:01 <krishna2__> any pointers? please help.
May 01 01:01:29 <cmicali> krishna, when you try to ssh, have you tried sshing to the IP the bone has via ethernet? (probably able to find that in your router)
May 01 01:01:41 <krishna2__> I was not able to ssh via ethernet either
May 01 01:02:02 <cmicali> a) are you sure it was the correct ip and b) what command line did you use
May 01 01:02:03 <krishna2__> In both cases I got the ssh_exchange error - which looks to me like the beagle bone has some /etc/hosts.deny set up by default?
May 01 01:02:11 <thurbad> are you sshing to root@...
May 01 01:02:23 <krishna2__> yes. I tried ssh -vvv -p 22 root@192.168.7.2
May 01 01:02:32 <krishna2__> also tried 192.168.7.1
May 01 01:02:51 <cmicali> ethernet probably has another IP assigned by your router/dhcp server
May 01 01:02:52 <thurbad> .1 is probably your router
May 01 01:03:11 <krishna2__> so in my network I got a 10.0.1.122 ip. I tried that. same exact error messages.
May 01 01:03:21 <krishna2__> I am able to access http port 80 on both those IPs
May 01 01:03:41 <krishna2__> In my mac, I am not able to see any serial device that I can screen to, either.
May 01 01:03:47 <krishna2__> I am able to see the beagle bone volume mounted
May 01 01:03:47 <cmicali> did you install the drivers?
May 01 01:04:02 <krishna2__> yes, I did.
May 01 01:04:12 <krishna2__> even did the patch (that the FTDI driver told me to)
May 01 01:04:15 <krishna2__> do I need to restart my mac?
May 01 01:04:18 <rbarris> which OS version are you on
May 01 01:04:21 <krishna2__> I didn't get any messages about that though
May 01 01:04:32 <krishna2__> Mac os x 10.8.3
May 01 01:04:44 <rbarris> ok, so it's not just the 10.6.x people
May 01 01:05:09 <rbarris> one guy on 10.6.x got some success when he restarted, so might be worth a shot
May 01 01:05:14 <cmicali> i did not try to get USB networking on my mac, but ethernet was OK
May 01 01:05:37 <krishna2__> I also tried plugging this to a linux computer. same exact errors
May 01 01:05:46 <krishna2__> again, was able to access http. but no ssh, no serial connection
May 01 01:05:49 <krishna2__> am at a loss what to do
May 01 01:06:10 <krishna2__> I can probably try downloading a new(er?) image of angstrom linux and booting with the SD card
May 01 01:06:17 <krishna2__> that's the only option left as far as I can think of.
May 01 01:06:44 <cmicali> when you say you can access port 80 via 10.0.1.122
May 01 01:06:46 <thurbad> no monitor? attached?
May 01 01:06:59 <mrpackethead> " is android the new windows "
May 01 01:06:59 <cmicali> you get the beaglebone web server?
May 01 01:07:00 <krishna2__> No monitor. On my browser on the mac.
May 01 01:07:07 <mrpackethead> just heard it on the radio.
May 01 01:07:18 <cmicali> windows is the new os/2
May 01 01:07:21 <krishna2__> @cmicali yes, I am able to see the webserver
May 01 01:07:40 <cmicali> krisna: and "ssh root@10.0.1.122" gives you that ssh_exchange error?
May 01 01:07:40 <krishna2__> I am even able to run the LED example from the browser (to make all the LEDs ON)
May 01 01:07:51 <krishna2__> yes.
May 01 01:08:21 <cmicali> hm that is really strange
May 01 01:08:23 <thurbad> you can reach 192... and 10.. from the same machine?
May 01 01:08:26 <cmicali> sorry
May 01 01:08:39 <krishna2__> yes, I can reach both 198 and 10
May 01 01:08:47 <krishna2__> from the same machine
May 01 01:09:47 <thurbad> what's your mac's ip address?
May 01 01:10:01 <cmicali> i would try connecting over HDMI to login and figure out what is going on
May 01 01:10:09 <krishna2__> it's a 10.0.1.107 ip.
May 01 01:10:23 <krishna2__> wow, did not know I can connect via hdmi! :)
May 01 01:10:26 <cmicali> rather, put a screen on the bone via hdmi to see whats going on
May 01 01:10:31 <cmicali> sorry that came out wrong
May 01 01:10:35 <cmicali> i am fried :)
May 01 01:10:48 <thurbad> it's mini hdmi
May 01 01:10:49 <ka6sox> cmicali, aren't we all
May 01 01:11:28 <krishna2__> Can I add something to the uEnv.txt file to make the bone come up with a  setting that will allow me to ssh?
May 01 01:11:39 <krishna2__> I am still guessing the problem is that bone has a default setting of not allowing ssh
May 01 01:11:45 <krishna2__> (hopefully that's the case)
May 01 01:11:53 <cmicali> i would first suspect it's a config issue on your mac
May 01 01:11:56 <cmicali> that is causing the SSH issue
May 01 01:12:09 <cmicali> b/c if the bone is booting, i assume it has the same image as the blacks i have
May 01 01:12:11 <krishna2__> But I tried the linux machine, same error
May 01 01:12:12 <cmicali> and i can ssh to them fine
May 01 01:12:19 <cmicali> or maybe your local network
May 01 01:12:26 <krishna2__> yeah, a colleague of mine got a bone black too…and he can ssh fine!
May 01 01:12:28 <krishna2__> just me! :(
May 01 01:12:31 <cmicali> i googled for "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host"
May 01 01:12:37 <cmicali> and some of it said hosts.deny
May 01 01:12:49 <cmicali> but a few other things said it was an invalid/wrong default route
May 01 01:12:59 <krishna2__> yes! that's how I arrived at the conclusion too ! but I need to be able to connect somehow to the bone to set a hosts.allow
May 01 01:12:59 <cmicali> another said it was some kind of dhcp issue
May 01 01:13:03 <krishna2__> (or rather remove hosts.deny)
May 01 01:13:06 <cmicali> i doubt it's hosts.deny
May 01 01:13:13 <cmicali> i think it's something about your router/local net
May 01 01:13:28 <cmicali> but i dunno, my opinion is based on 11 seconds of googling and skimming
May 01 01:13:33 <krishna2__> Okay, if I remove the ethernet and just boot the bone with the usb cable then 192.168 ip still works
May 01 01:13:39 <krishna2__> then the network is out of the picture, right?
May 01 01:13:39 <cmicali> and has a 78% change of being completely wrong
May 01 01:13:50 <cmicali> i think so
May 01 01:14:21 <crashovrd> maybe you should pastebin the output on your terminal that ssh generates with the verbose setting
May 01 01:14:24 <krishna2__> so just now I did that. no ethernet. bone connected via just usb. http works fine. i am able to ping 192.168.7.2
May 01 01:14:31 <krishna2__> yes, let me do that.
May 01 01:15:09 <krishna2__> Here is the paste bin of ssh error: http://pastebin.com/asRJ7iLT
May 01 01:15:41 <crashovrd> also look in the mac system log
May 01 01:15:50 <crashovrd> it may report additional error information there
May 01 01:15:57 <cmicali> sudo dmesg
May 01 01:15:58 <krishna2__> good point. let me dmesg
May 01 01:18:24 <krishna2__> Anyways, thanks for all the pointers. I am going to try restarting my machine and see if that works. so will be offline for a while. thanks.
May 01 01:19:20 <cmicali> thats a lot of errors
May 01 01:19:31 <cmicali> maybe upgrade to ssh 2013 Pro
May 01 01:20:20 <thurbad> I'd personally try network sharing from the mac to eliminate the router possibility
May 01 01:21:24 <cmicali> agree, but his local ssh config is borked
May 01 01:22:11 <robtow> I doubt it's the mac.
May 01 01:22:40 <cmicali> if he really tried the linux machine then it's probably local net, but i dunno, all sounds suspicious
May 01 01:27:44 <Spirilis> ehm, I've seen that ssh_exchange_identification crap if your SSH client is offering up a ton of auth options before trying the basic password one
May 01 01:28:12 <wmat> prpplague: do you mean put that page in the Flyswatter category?
May 01 01:28:21 <wmat> prpplague: or the TinCanTools category?
May 01 01:28:35 <prpplague> wmat: flyswatter category
May 01 01:28:45 <thurbad> I assumed by ssh he was using command line of some sort
May 01 01:28:49 <prpplague> wmat: and maybe add it to the list of howto pages
May 01 01:29:05 <mdp> wmat, or the "awesome" category would be appropriate
May 01 01:29:16 <mdp> "top photography"
May 01 01:30:17 <wmat> prpplague: done
May 01 01:30:28 <wmat> mdp: perhaps the ExactSteps category
May 01 01:31:10 <prpplague> wmat: thanks
May 01 01:31:44 <wmat> np
May 01 01:36:28 <mdp> wmat, indeed, but I try to leave a little to the imagination
May 01 01:49:31 <ka6sox> what, not *EXACT* steps...*mostly* EXACT steps?
May 01 02:00:49 <mdp> ka6sox, stepsGoodEnoughForGovernmentWorkYetNotExactOrPleasingToMost
May 01 02:01:15 <ka6sox> mdp, perfect!
May 01 02:01:34 <mdp> I aim to disappoint..misery to all!
May 01 02:01:46 <ka6sox> then you are hitting the mark
May 01 02:02:00 <mdp> my work here is complete, time to relax
May 01 02:02:10 <ka6sox> relax? whats that?
May 01 02:02:20 <mdp> 5 minutes
May 01 02:02:24 <ka6sox> don't slaves have to be sold?
May 01 02:02:27 <ka6sox> oh wait...
May 01 02:02:40 <mdp> heh
May 01 02:02:41 <mdp> bbt
May 01 02:02:49 <ka6sox> niters
May 01 02:03:34 <multiscale> i think my beaglebone black may be defective
May 01 02:04:03 <multiscale> it loses power unexpectedly and without apparent reason
May 01 02:04:08 <multiscale> is anyone else having issues like htis?
May 01 02:05:47 <mrpackethead> do the lights go out at the same time?
May 01 02:06:36 <multiscale> Yes, all lights go black at the same time.
May 01 02:07:03 <multiscale> the amount of time is variable. I can get it to boot and respond to ssh, it appears not to be doing anything special and then suddenly, black.
May 01 02:07:30 <ka6sox> what are you powering this with?
May 01 02:07:59 <multiscale> usb, various sources (tried off a router, a charging adapter, and 2 computers) same effects.
May 01 02:08:11 <multiscale> (hub, not router)
May 01 02:08:35 <ka6sox> anything with more capacity than 500Ma?
May 01 02:08:42 <ka6sox> sorry 500mA
May 01 02:08:49 <thurbad> do you have usb devices plugged in as well?
May 01 02:10:02 <multiscale> yeah, the hub is rated for 1.2A, the charger 1.15A. No extra devices plugged in, but an SDcard is present
May 01 02:14:29 * mranostay hipsters in
May 01 02:15:26 <ynezz> hmm, tip for a hotel in NYC, something around $200-300/night?
May 01 02:16:17 <mranostay> ynezz: with or without roaches?
May 01 02:16:27 <ynezz> another recommended one is sold out (seen it for 1st time in my life, that a hotel is full)
May 01 02:16:37 <ynezz> mranostay: I'm vegetarian
May 01 02:20:44 <masta> hey is it possible to showup at circuitco and buy a bunch of blacks?
May 01 02:21:32 <masta> I need some to give away at TXLF later this month in Austin TX... FEdora wants to raffle away some boards but they are all sold out
May 01 02:22:52 <masta> we will of course pay, hope there was no implication of free junk... jus tlooking to find stock
May 01 02:23:21 <thurbad> good luck you could sit on their doorstep, doesnt change availability :/
May 01 02:24:35 <masta> agreed
May 01 02:25:58 <mranostay> ynezz: what you don't like meat? :P
May 01 02:26:16 * mranostay looks for some beef
May 01 02:27:49 <ka6sox> multiscale, have you tried the Barrel connector or only USB?
May 01 02:28:14 <multiscale> ka6sox: just dug up a barrel connector that works. Seems to resolve issue, unit not capable of self-power over usb alone.
May 01 02:28:41 <ka6sox> interesting...do put that on the Mailinglist?
May 01 02:28:53 <ka6sox> hopefully Gerald will respond...
May 01 02:29:58 <multiscale> mailinglist ?= google groups
May 01 02:30:02 <ka6sox> yes
May 01 02:30:22 <ka6sox> sorry, I'm old school.
May 01 02:30:41 <ynezz> forum!
May 01 02:31:16 <ka6sox> forums still suck...even after 2000years
May 01 02:32:59 <multiscale> awesome, will do.
May 01 02:33:07 <ka6sox> multiscale, thanks
May 01 02:34:29 <multiscale> no problem.
May 01 02:34:53 <ka6sox> did you post it already?
May 01 02:35:57 <multiscale> just tried to
May 01 02:36:58 <ka6sox> it made it
May 01 02:37:12 <multiscale> cool!
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