**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 10 02:59:58 2013
May 10 03:00:38 <didof3> treemonkie: opkg works fine with that image
May 10 03:02:56 <treemonkie> didof3: Good to know. Thanks.
May 10 03:03:20 <testqwee> soo pissed that bbb doesn't work out of the box like arduino
May 10 03:03:45 <mranostay> hi
May 10 03:06:11 <treemonkie> didof3: Any mirror of that file? I keep getting `Unknown Network Error` 1/3 of the way into it.
May 10 03:08:01 <didof3> treemonkie: Thats the only one I know of
May 10 03:09:01 <treemonkie> didof3: Ok, thanks. Guess I'll try on my linux server and see what happens...
May 10 03:15:24 <pranjal> Any tips on getting the PRU to work?
May 10 03:16:01 <pranjal> I've downloaded the github repo and I get errors when I run it: prussdrv_open open failed
May 10 03:16:50 <slug> pranjal: PRU_EVTOUT_2 might know ;) what kind of errors? I seem to recall that pru support has some issues with kernel 3.8 ? maybe I'm mistaken
May 10 03:17:04 <pranjal> I'm on 3.8.2
May 10 03:17:06 <pranjal> the error I get is
May 10 03:17:08 <pranjal> prussdrv_open open failed
May 10 03:17:13 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> haven't played with 3.8 at all.
May 10 03:17:19 <pranjal> slug: I also don't see the /dev/uio device
May 10 03:17:20 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> lsmod, see if uio_pruss is installed.
May 10 03:17:21 <slug> pranjal: did you load the module?
May 10 03:17:24 <pranjal> yes
May 10 03:17:34 <slug> pranjal: do you see it with lsmod?
May 10 03:17:47 <pranjal> slug: it shows uio_pruss               3641  0
May 10 03:18:26 <pranjal> slug: Is it a 3.8 problem? What's the best image to be running?
May 10 03:18:47 <slug> pranjal: i'm not sure if it's a 3.8 problem
May 10 03:19:01 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pranjal: someone yesterday said this magically worked: http://pastebin.com/SCV8QdXZ
May 10 03:19:08 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> to get pru going.
May 10 03:21:43 <slug> PRU_EVTOUT_2: just tried that on kernel 3.8 and it seemed to work, got a success at the end
May 10 03:21:44 <pranjal> PRU_EVTOUT_2: that worked
May 10 03:21:48 <pranjal> strange
May 10 03:21:54 <slug> PRU_EVTOUT_2: thanks :)
May 10 03:22:19 <treemonkie> Just out of curiosity, what are you guys doing with the PRU?
May 10 03:22:43 <pranjal> treemonkie: motor control
May 10 03:22:56 <slug> treemonkie: same here :)
May 10 03:23:18 <treemonkie> Interesting
May 10 03:23:23 <mrpackethead> pranjal: flashing leds
May 10 03:31:14 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bit banging interfaces.
May 10 03:38:01 <prpplague> Rickta59: already got you one allocated
May 10 03:41:18 <ka6sox> morning
May 10 03:43:21 <prpplague> ka6sox: how dare you speak to us like that!
May 10 03:46:11 <jakes> Just got my board today tried to update to BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.08 - got four solid blues and then rebooted but only power light is lit - worked before I flashed it.. Did I miss something?
May 10 03:46:30 * ka6sox wonders what he said...
May 10 03:47:17 <jakes> A beaglebone black
May 10 03:47:48 <ds2> is there a contest to see how many peices one can turn the BBB into? :D
May 10 03:49:55 <didof3> jakes: did you remove the sd before you re-powered?
May 10 03:50:03 <jakes> yes
May 10 03:50:41 <jmoyerman> ds2: Were you reading that thread too?
May 10 03:51:35 <didof3> jakes: hmm time to ask the experts. I didn't have that problem.
May 10 03:51:39 <jakes> connecting via usb to my laptop continually trys and fails to connect, only the power led is lit.
May 10 03:52:46 <jakes> I will try and reflash I guess
May 10 03:53:21 <didof3> jakes: I did have that problem. Had to re flash. Bummer it takes 45minutes to do
May 10 03:54:05 <didof3> jakes:  Windows was looking for a driver for the A8 if I remember correctly
May 10 03:54:25 <jakes> Bummer is right - no play time tonight I guess ;-)
May 10 03:55:19 <didof3> jakes: all part of the fun figuing things out.
May 10 03:56:14 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so is there a way to get the cape manager to load a device tree based on the pin config in the eeprom?
May 10 03:56:18 <jakes> didof3: at least I am not on my own - huh? Thanks.
May 10 03:56:42 <didof3> jakes:  word of advice don't power from the micro USB use a power supply
May 10 03:57:06 <didof3> jakes:  draws 500ma + to flash
May 10 03:57:53 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> are usb chipsets smart enough to care these days?
May 10 03:57:57 <jakes> didof3: didn't have the right connector - but I did read that... used usb hub with 2amp rating...
May 10 03:58:20 <didof3> jakes:  should be fine
May 10 04:00:08 <jakes> didof3: I will try it again just strange that I would get the all clear signal though (four solid leds)...
May 10 04:01:28 <didof3> jakes:  agree (4) shows flash complete as I read. did you try just hitting the reboot button?
May 10 04:03:20 <jakes> didof3: I hit the reset once it that's what you mean... already started reflash...
May 10 04:04:00 <didof3> jakes:  ahh see you in 45 min. then ... let me know
May 10 04:04:49 <jakes> didof3: will do - thanks - need food now
May 10 04:05:02 <didof3> jakes:  ttyl
May 10 04:13:38 <ds2> :)
May 10 04:54:47 <jakes> didof3: looks like it worked this time... would have just done that if it wasn't 45 minutes...
May 10 05:01:56 <didof3> jakes: great to hear
May 10 05:27:23 <sky__> Hi everyone, need help with attachInterrupt(Pin, handler, mode, [callback])
May 10 05:28:05 <sky__> how does handler work? what does it mean by "true" or "false"?
May 10 05:30:05 <sky__> can I use a local function name as a handler?
May 10 05:38:24 <treemonkie> sky__: handler is the callback for events, so yes, it should be a function. I believe [callback] is just for errors.
May 10 05:38:44 <_av500_> ahoi
May 10 05:39:10 <treemonkie> sky__: https://github.com/jadonk/bonescript/blob/master/node_modules/bonescript/index.js line 432 is the start of the source for attachInterrupt
May 10 05:39:46 <panto> gm
May 10 05:40:46 <sky__> thanks, I'll have some minutes to read.
May 10 05:44:47 <treemonkie> sky__: I guess I gave you bad advice on that, this is the "official" example for that function: http://pastebin.com/VaqAAWEK
May 10 05:47:53 <chrisjmiller> hi
May 10 05:48:40 <chrisjmiller> I got 2 'bones in the mail today :D
May 10 05:56:01 <_av500_> hugged the mailman?
May 10 05:57:08 <dm8tbr> a channel full of bone collectors...
May 10 05:59:32 <_av500_> pro bono
May 10 06:01:08 <chrisjmiller> tbh, i got quite stressed out with the things today.  but by the end of the day I had ubuntu 13 going
May 10 06:01:34 <Russ> I find this discussion quite humerus
May 10 06:01:52 <chrisjmiller> I am going to do some testing tomorrow to see what kind of power it's really using.
May 10 06:02:41 <chrisjmiller> I was having issues with having too much plugged into the USB.  even when using a 2a psu.
May 10 06:07:16 <treemonkie> 0_o
May 10 06:10:57 <panto> chrisjmiller, 2a and not enough? call the fire dpt :)
May 10 06:13:53 <chrisjmiller> One thing I noticed is it didn't like stuff plugged in while booting.  so maybe it's just not getting the amps it needs.
May 10 06:14:48 <chrisjmiller> i'm going to hook it to a meter tomorrow so that I know for sure and not speculating
May 10 06:15:10 <chrisjmiller> i know on the pi I can use a webcam and wifi dongle in the 2 usb ports.
May 10 06:28:42 <_av500_> chrisjmiller: what did you have plugged in?
May 10 06:28:47 <_av500_> and powered how?
May 10 06:29:19 <chrisjmiller> I first started with powering by usb
May 10 06:29:29 <chrisjmiller> then moved to powering with a 5v 2a wall wart psu
May 10 06:29:52 <chrisjmiller> I've been trying to get an hd webcam and wifi dongle working with a usb splitter.
May 10 06:35:28 <_av500_> sun splitter?
May 10 06:35:30 <_av500_> usb
May 10 06:35:41 <_av500_> I hope you mean a hub
May 10 06:38:07 * Russ locates a sun splitter http://img.alibaba.com/img/pb/225/383/249/1273993506884_hz-cnmyalibaba-web2_17801.jpg
May 10 06:41:57 <ka6sox> morning panto _av500_
May 10 06:42:07 <panto> hi ka6sox
May 10 06:43:38 <ka6sox> Russ, the ones from Edmund are expensive...how much is htat?
May 10 06:44:09 <Russ> *shrug*, I just went there for the image
May 10 06:44:40 <Russ> but how about these? http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Novelty-Deluxe-Prism-Glasses-Lazy-Glasses-to-Patient-the-Old-Christmas-Gift-Bed-Lie-Down-Periscope/321904_720090237.html
May 10 06:44:48 <Russ> who needs a occulus rift, or google glass
May 10 06:45:39 <_av500_> just stare into the sun for a while
May 10 06:45:42 <_av500_> no more need for any glasses
May 10 06:46:14 <Russ> just get me some ulexite
May 10 06:55:05 <mranostay> Russ!!
May 10 06:57:06 <emeb_mac> mranostay: how you liking PDX so far?
May 10 06:57:51 <mranostay> minus the whole can't pump my own gas it is pretty cool
May 10 06:58:02 <emeb_mac> heh - OR is funny that way.
May 10 06:58:21 * emeb_mac lived there for 5+ yrs
May 10 06:59:04 <emeb_mac> no sales tax is easy to get used to tho.
May 10 06:59:07 <mranostay> nobody wants to be the guy to axe 8k worthless jobs? :)
May 10 06:59:30 <mranostay> emeb_mac: ok yes trade offs
May 10 06:59:50 <emeb_mac> re - changing the gas pumping: don't think they even think about that.
May 10 07:00:08 <emeb_mac> It's just that folks there like having someone else do it for them.
May 10 07:00:30 <mranostay> silly unions
May 10 07:00:40 <emeb_mac> doubt that's a union job.
May 10 07:00:48 <emeb_mac> unless teenage boys have a union...
May 10 07:01:17 <mranostay> methheads you mean? :)
May 10 07:01:30 <Russ> mranostay, ye?
May 10 07:01:33 <emeb_mac> depends on where you are I guess.
May 10 07:01:34 <Russ> how's pdx?
May 10 07:01:35 <chrisjmiller> _av500_: i got these, they didn't work. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A81ISJ6/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
May 10 07:06:08 <Russ> shocking
May 10 07:07:47 <_av500_> chrisjmiller: thats a passive one
May 10 07:08:03 <_av500_> meaning the available power gets split
May 10 07:08:34 <_av500_> not sure how much power the bone can deliver on the single usb host
May 10 07:08:47 <_av500_> does a single device on its own work?
May 10 07:09:45 <panto> _av500_, usually, but don't expect a lot
May 10 07:10:02 <panto> IIRC a wifi dongle might work, but just barely
May 10 07:10:11 <panto> when using usb power
May 10 07:12:51 <mranostay> Russ: PDX is good so far
May 10 07:13:24 <panto> i.e. he's not arrested yet
May 10 07:15:12 <chrisjmiller> yes, a single device works.  i can get it going with the logitch c920.  however I had best resuts waiting until after boot to plug it in.
May 10 07:15:14 <mranostay> the night is young
May 10 07:15:24 <chrisjmiller> the pi, while having 2 ports, is also a single usb host.
May 10 07:15:56 <chrisjmiller> but i believe it is spec'd to provide the 500ma usb requires to each port.  on the newer ones.
May 10 07:16:57 <chrisjmiller> the bbb is probably only spec'd to provide much less.  I may build a usb power bridge from my battery source but that could have its own issues.
May 10 07:17:56 <_av500_> chrisjmiller: use a powered hub
May 10 07:18:16 <chrisjmiller> _av500_: my intended project is airborne.
May 10 07:18:19 <mranostay> _av500_: powdered hub?
May 10 07:18:48 <_av500_> chrisjmiller: you mean up in the air electronics need lees power?
May 10 07:18:52 <_av500_> less
May 10 07:18:54 <chrisjmiller> i could potentially use a powered hub, if i can find one that is extremely light
May 10 07:19:02 <chrisjmiller> in grams i mean
May 10 07:19:08 <_av500_> maybe add some solar cells :)
May 10 07:19:11 <panto> buy one and just take it apart from the casing
May 10 07:19:12 <_av500_> ic
May 10 07:19:20 <_av500_> chrisjmiller: there are tiny powered hubs
May 10 07:19:24 <_av500_> remove the case etc..
May 10 07:20:18 <chrisjmiller> i have one that i could try taking the casing off of.
May 10 07:21:04 <_av500_> http://www.alternate.de/html/product/Sharkoon/Cross_Hub,_USB-Hub/50367/?
May 10 07:21:08 <_av500_> as an example
May 10 07:21:19 <_av500_> you can use it as the base for a quadcopter :)
May 10 07:21:29 <_av500_> plug 4 usb powered propellers :)
May 10 07:23:28 <chrisjmiller> ha, not bad :)
May 10 07:24:47 <_av500_> for extra weight loss, cut off the ports you dont need
May 10 07:24:59 <chrisjmiller> I've got 2 of these that I could try repurposing. http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Hi-Speed-USB-4-Port-F5U234v1/dp/B000ERAOL4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1368170678&sr=8-2&keywords=2+port+powered+usb+hub
May 10 07:25:16 <chrisjmiller> not sure what the weight would be like though even after decasing.  I can only spare like maybe 10-20g
May 10 07:25:33 <chrisjmiller> tbh, i'm really not even sure because I don't know what the bbb weighs compared to the pi.
May 10 07:25:51 <chrisjmiller> and if i have to replace the pi with a bbb and a powered hub... that will be tricky.
May 10 07:33:33 <_av500_> well, you need a hub anyway with the bone
May 10 07:35:07 <Grievar> what's the difference between the bone and the bone black? It seems like the black actually has more for less money, am I missing something?
May 10 07:35:41 <_av500_> yes
May 10 07:35:57 <_av500_> its made in higher volumes
May 10 07:36:22 <chrisjmiller> black is rev2
May 10 07:37:26 <chrisjmiller> i love that i'm running ubuntu... and not raspbian or debonen or whatever they'd call it.
May 10 07:37:56 <chrisjmiller> ubuntu 13 too.  for $45.
May 10 07:38:37 <Grievar> so the original bone is going out of production?
May 10 07:38:52 <_av500_> no idea
May 10 07:40:37 <panto> chrisjmiller, we love it that you love it
May 10 07:40:51 <panto> as long you're fine with the ubuntu bloat, hey, it's your call :)
May 10 07:52:32 <chrisjmiller> i'm just browsing around on forums and seeing some hinting about needing wheezy to get 500ma out of usb?  hrm...  i am really curious about the current I can get out of it.
May 10 08:04:03 <stricklandh> for the beaglebone black, how would I run commands through my own webpage rather than through the cloud 9 interpreter? Like how they have the beaglebone.org site setup where you can run and edit sample scripts from their webpage
May 10 08:10:32 <anujdeshpande> stricklandh, you familiar with node.js ?
May 10 08:11:00 <stricklandh> i've seen it mentioned in various things I've been reading
May 10 08:11:16 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/Y7qcQg
May 10 08:11:16 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 a807d7a Koen Kooi: 3.8: improve cameracape reliability...
May 10 08:11:16 <stricklandh> I'm very new to this all, sorry
May 10 08:12:35 <anujdeshpande> stricklandh, everyone is new to something or the other :) bonescript is a node.js library. https://github.com/jadonk/bonescript
May 10 08:13:18 <anujdeshpande> stricklandh, you'll have to setup node.js for your web app and then use this library
May 10 08:14:52 <stricklandh> ok, so install node.js on my webserver?
May 10 08:15:41 <stricklandh> or is that a library I just need to include in my webpage?
May 10 08:28:16 <vvu> Tartarus: ping
May 10 08:48:27 <anujdeshpande> stricklandh, beaglebone has node.js installed. it. Cloud9 is the the IDE that you need to
May 10 08:49:49 <anujdeshpande> stricklandh, beaglebone has node.js installed. Cloud9 is the the IDE that you need to talk to the server(node.js on your bone)
May 10 08:53:31 <stricklandh> i've got cloud 9 working and some basic code going, but what I'd like to do is run a script that interfaces with the beaglebone that is hosted somewhere other than the beaglebone, like my website server or my laptop. is it possible?
May 10 09:24:58 <BHAGWAN> i am getting an error  " minicom: cannot open /dev/ttyUSB0: No such file or directory" when i am connecting beagle bone to my pc
May 10 09:28:01 <jacekowski> well, have you thought about checking dmesg?
May 10 09:28:12 <jacekowski> and checking if it's really ttyUSB0 or maybe it's 1
May 10 09:28:18 <jacekowski> or device is not detected at all
May 10 09:28:33 <BHAGWAN> how to check it
May 10 09:28:57 <jacekowski> DMESG
May 10 09:31:35 <BHAGWAN> i hv checked it it is giving following output
May 10 09:31:39 <BHAGWAN> [    0.217863] PCI: MMCONFIG for domain 0000 [bus 00-ff] at [mem 0xe0000000-0xefffffff] (base 0xe0000000) [    0.217863] PCI: MMCONFIG at [mem 0xe0000000-0xefffffff] reserved in E820 [    0.217863] PCI: Using MMCONFIG for extended config space [    0.217863] PCI: Using configuration type 1 for base access [    0.220535] bio: create slab <bio-0> at 0 [    0.220613] ACPI: Added _OSI(Module Device) [    0.220615] ACPI: Added _OSI(Proces
May 10 09:32:23 <BHAGWAN> i think device is not detecting
May 10 09:32:42 <jacekowski> don't paste it here
May 10 09:32:53 <jacekowski> and you want last 5~10 lines of it
May 10 09:33:00 <jacekowski> that's where the interesting stuff is
May 10 09:33:52 <koen> try lsusb as well
May 10 09:34:07 <BHAGWAN> but it is not attached to any port
May 10 09:38:12 <BHAGWAN> i hv checked lsusb but still beaglebone is noet detected
May 10 09:41:21 <x56> pastie the output of "ls /dev" with the beaglebone connected
May 10 09:41:57 <BHAGWAN> thanks friends
May 10 09:42:09 <BHAGWAN> its workink now
May 10 10:10:09 <_av500__> this guy is hilarious http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2013-May/007421.html
May 10 10:11:15 <panto> _av500__, my IQ dropped 10 points after reading that
May 10 10:13:34 <_av500__> people at intel and sgx are trembling with ph34r
May 10 10:16:39 <janne> one gpio operation per cycle looks a little optimistic. 5 times overhead too
May 10 10:17:49 <koen> assuming the gpio can do 20MHz
May 10 10:18:45 <panto> and what exactly graphics b/w have to do with GPIO again?
May 10 10:19:16 <Russ> ok joe
May 10 10:21:48 <_av500__> panto: GPIO is just the means to chain cheap ARM cpus together in order to not need an equally cheap but closed GPU
May 10 10:22:08 <_av500__> get allwinner A10 with SGX
May 10 10:22:19 <_av500__> ignore SGX but get 19 more A10
May 10 10:22:21 <_av500__> cheain them
May 10 10:22:27 <_av500__> chain them
May 10 10:22:34 <_av500__> 4) profit
May 10 10:22:40 <_av500__> is that not clear?
May 10 10:22:51 * panto gets his chain on 
May 10 10:23:12 * panto has 'unchain my heart' stuck in his mind now
May 10 10:23:18 <panto> thanks _av500__
May 10 10:24:15 <_av500__> panto: not "working the chain gang"?
May 10 10:24:41 <panto> no, that would be a better song
May 10 10:25:07 <mru> "working in the coin mine"
May 10 10:38:03 <janne> s/(coin)/bit\1/?
May 10 10:41:41 <_av500__> coinbit
May 10 10:49:17 <mru> KotH: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/10/japanese_phone_pants/
May 10 10:50:31 <_av500__> awesome
May 10 10:57:03 <ogra_> poor phones ... have to go topless ...
May 10 10:57:25 <panto> hey, put NSFW there
May 10 10:57:33 <panto> it's panties... on a phone... in japan...
May 10 10:57:39 <_av500__> what abut the phones that have the usb on the top
May 10 10:57:49 <mru> panto: I see nothing nsfw there
May 10 10:58:17 <mru> _av500__: such horrors still exist?
May 10 10:58:48 <_av500__> yes
May 10 10:58:51 <_av500__> we even sell some
May 10 11:00:07 <gentooma1> Hey!, I got myself a new beaglebone black and I was wondering if it is not possible to login via serial line via usb?
May 10 11:00:32 <_av500_> the black has no ftdi
May 10 11:00:56 <_av500_> and I dont think default ships with usb serial
May 10 11:00:58 <mru> and that's a damn good thing too
May 10 11:01:09 <_av500_> mru: in your eyes, yes
May 10 11:01:27 <mru> it wouldn't be _quite_ so bad if the board and the ftdi were powered separately
May 10 11:02:00 <_av500_> true that
May 10 11:02:56 <gentooma1> hmm, that's a pity ;/ - so I need an external connector when I want to access the serial console?
May 10 11:02:59 <mru> nothing is more annoying than the board starting to boot before the ftdi has been enumerated by the pc
May 10 11:03:05 <_av500_> gentooma1: yes
May 10 11:03:11 <_av500_> ftdi cable
May 10 11:03:19 <mru> doesn't need to be ftdi
May 10 11:03:27 <mru> _any_ serial cable will do
May 10 11:03:33 <mru> possibly with some level shifters
May 10 11:03:35 <koen> 3.3V serial cable
May 10 11:03:42 <koen> not the 12V kind
May 10 11:03:52 <mru> obviously
May 10 11:03:55 <ynezz> $1.50 on Ebay
May 10 11:04:13 <_av500_> ynezz: yes, but paypal is the devil
May 10 11:04:15 <gentooma1> okay, thanks - but it's a bit funny then that it'll show up as ttyACM0
May 10 11:04:28 <ynezz> _av500_: just buy 20pcs :p
May 10 11:04:41 <mru> _av500_: paying through paypal isn't that bad
May 10 11:04:45 <mru> you just use a credit card
May 10 11:04:51 <mrpackethead> doh dohd ohd odh odhdohdh.
May 10 11:05:05 <mru> and I trust paypal with my card number more than I would most ebay sellers
May 10 11:05:26 <mrpackethead> i've used paypal a lot and its ok
May 10 11:05:37 <mru> receiving money sucks though
May 10 11:05:43 <ynezz> it does?
May 10 11:05:51 <mru> try getting it out of paypal
May 10 11:05:54 <mrpackethead> i've probalby done 5000+ transactons
May 10 11:05:59 <ynezz> I did
May 10 11:06:00 <mrpackethead> and not had problems getting money out
May 10 11:06:06 <mru> if you respend it within paypal it works ok
May 10 11:06:07 <panto> ka6sox-away, you'd be interested to know that bone cam works on the black now
May 10 11:06:16 <panto> *modulo QL craziness
May 10 11:06:19 <mrpackethead> its in the bank the next day
May 10 11:06:30 <mru> and how many fees did they charge you?
May 10 11:06:37 <mrpackethead> 2% or so
May 10 11:06:56 <mrpackethead> about the same as 2%
May 10 11:07:26 <mru> and how many per cent was the payment to begin with?
May 10 11:07:40 <mrpackethead> ?
May 10 11:07:52 <mrpackethead> its on par with what i'd pay for c/card processing with a bank
May 10 11:08:27 <ynezz> sometimes they've better exchange rates then bank
May 10 11:11:07 <ynezz> anyway, that ftdi console thingy is strange but convenient (the enumeration issue could be overcomed by reset button if the reset doesn't cut off the power to the ftdi also)
May 10 11:11:23 <mru> and if you grow an extra arm
May 10 11:11:44 <mru> who the hell came up with that idea, zaphod beeblebrox?
May 10 11:11:59 <ynezz> boris?
May 10 11:12:37 <_av500_> zaphod borisbone
May 10 11:12:50 <_av500_> jazon borisbone
May 10 11:12:53 <ynezz> I've experienced it just a few hours ago for the first time on the carambola2 devboard
May 10 11:13:22 <ynezz> strange as hell, getting to the u-boot via USB cable
May 10 11:13:37 <ynezz> where that world is heading to...
May 10 11:17:16 <ynezz> those iPants are crazy
May 10 11:17:18 <_av500_> the good ole dtime of line printers and toggle buttons
May 10 11:17:25 <_av500_> old times
May 10 11:17:39 <jkroon_> Anyone know of a Beaglebone linux kernel with RT patching available in some layer ?
May 10 11:18:21 <mru> just take a regular bone kernel and rt-patch it
May 10 11:19:00 <jkroon_> mru, sounds like a plan, will do
May 10 11:19:27 <mru> I doubt there's much conflict between the bone patches and the rt ones
May 10 11:19:58 <_av500_> just load rt.dtb
May 10 11:20:31 <koen> pretty much all drivers will fail when used with 'RT'
May 10 11:20:37 <koen> quality work from TII, as usual
May 10 11:20:41 <panto> serial console might work
May 10 11:21:00 <jkroon_> koen, why is that.. ?
May 10 11:21:00 <koen> network might work as well, panto fixed that up
May 10 11:21:09 <mru> koen: what are they doing wrong?
May 10 11:21:13 <panto> koen, I doubt it
May 10 11:21:26 <_av500_> mru: not caring
May 10 11:21:28 <panto> I just fixed a bug
May 10 11:21:36 <koen> jkroon_: TII is not know for understanding the hw they write drivers for
May 10 11:21:51 <koen> or understanding linux
May 10 11:22:02 <jkroon_> heh.. thats sad
May 10 11:22:19 <koen> keeps consultants fed
May 10 11:22:26 <jkroon_> sure
May 10 11:22:29 * panto likes to eat 
May 10 11:22:33 <_av500_> panto is well fed
May 10 11:22:34 <jkroon_> im a consultant myself :-)
May 10 11:23:39 <ynezz> working for TI? :p
May 10 11:24:27 <jkroon_> no, but I want to use linux + beaglebone on one of our machines
May 10 11:24:43 <jkroon_> and we want the realtime patch applied
May 10 11:24:59 <panto> jkroon_, if you have RT stuff to do, better do it on the PRU
May 10 11:25:14 <jkroon_> panto, PRU ?
May 10 11:25:18 <panto> RT on am33xx with the drivers as they are, will make you cry
May 10 11:25:25 <panto> Programmable Realtime Unit
May 10 11:25:59 <jkroon_> the beaglebone has one ?
May 10 11:26:05 <fiola> Two
May 10 11:26:06 <koen> two
May 10 11:26:11 <panto> two!
May 10 11:26:12 <ynezz> 2
May 10 11:26:16 * panto piles on
May 10 11:26:17 <jkroon_> haha :-)
May 10 11:26:55 <koen> http://elinux.org/Ti_AM33XX_PRUSSv2
May 10 11:27:08 <fiola> jkroon_: https://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package/tree/master/Documentation
May 10 11:27:10 * mdp moves PRU above uarts and DT on bigboard top topics leader list
May 10 11:27:38 <mdp> go to koen's link first
May 10 11:27:51 <_av500_> dont follow random links off irc
May 10 11:27:59 <fiola> And from TI, http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Programmable_Realtime_Unit_Subsystem
May 10 11:28:55 <mdp> fiola, that's pruss v1...important differences
May 10 11:29:05 <fiola> Yes, but background
May 10 11:29:18 <_av500_> ....I would like to know how installing WINDOWS on BeagleBoard BLACK as shown on your reference manual BBONEBLK_SRM....
May 10 11:29:26 <mru> differences like the multiplier
May 10 11:29:31 <fiola> Long before he implements any PREU code, he'll see differences :P
May 10 11:30:45 <mdp> if he reads the elinux page it pulls everything together in one place
May 10 11:31:44 <fiola> It's also worth pointing out to anyone who mentions "realtime patch" that so-called "realtime Linux" only eliminates the high latency outliers produced by normal scheduling, and doesn't do anything to improve normal response latency nor normal jitter.  In fact, the latency is slightly worse, if you exclude the outliers.  So PRU vastly better.
May 10 11:36:06 <jkroon_> interesting stuff, thanks everyone
May 10 11:36:32 <fiola> Have fun :-)
May 10 11:38:07 <_av500_> hmm, is there a way to take an existing linux driver and PRUrify it?
May 10 11:38:25 <fiola> The PRUs are a front-page bullet point on the beaglebone site nowadays, as "the competition" (:P) doesn't have anything like it
May 10 11:38:47 <fiola> Hmmm, that's a nice idea
May 10 11:39:06 <fiola> A skeleton to help people do that, yeah, would be cool.
May 10 11:40:06 <mdp> _av500_: which the switch to remoteproc...yes
May 10 11:40:10 <mdp> witg
May 10 11:40:15 <mdp> with?
May 10 11:40:34 * fiola prescribes more coffee
May 10 11:40:47 <mdp> -ECOFFEE
May 10 11:41:06 <_av500_> a witch switch?
May 10 11:41:29 <mru> is that another name for duff's device?
May 10 11:41:37 <fiola> Hehe
May 10 11:41:49 <fiola> Nah, Duff's is a wizard switch :P
May 10 11:54:15 <mdp> fiola: re: front page bulletpoint. "never ever confuse marketing with the truth"
May 10 11:54:55 <fiola> Haha, too true :P
May 10 11:55:21 <sandeepk87> how can i add a  new proposal for sponsored beagle board project on elinux.org
May 10 11:56:24 <fiola> mdp: But this is an unusual case, because if the marketing for BB is fantasy, we can drag Jason over the coals :P
May 10 12:03:50 <_av500_> sandeepk87: I dont think that programe is still active
May 10 12:17:32 <panto> speaking of duff's device I just read that protothreads use them
May 10 12:17:53 <mru> what are protothreads?
May 10 12:18:20 <panto> low overhead threading simulation for uCs
May 10 12:18:32 <panto> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protothreads
May 10 12:18:48 <panto> contiki use them extensively
May 10 12:18:53 <panto> might make sense for the PRUs too
May 10 12:20:58 <panto> tbh, duff's device is the portable implementation, they use computed gotos on gcc
May 10 12:26:11 <Moult_> can anyone recommend some absolute beginner tutorials for creating a simple circuit with the beaglebone black?
May 10 12:29:08 <panto> you can take a look at all the design files of the capes available
May 10 12:30:07 <panto> Moult_, pick any from here http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Capes
May 10 12:31:40 <Moult_> panto: uh, i don't think i'm looking for capes
May 10 12:32:47 <jackmitchell> I can tell you how to make an LED circuit, is that what you want?
May 10 12:32:58 <jackmitchell> if not, you need to be more specific
May 10 12:34:07 <mdp> panto, yeah, I like the contiki implementation
May 10 12:34:37 <panto> yep
May 10 12:35:07 <panto> not having local vars is a bit weird, but for the kind of constrained envs we're talking about it's no big deal
May 10 12:37:34 <_av500_> Moult_: stick a low current led into a GPIO and the other end into GND
May 10 12:37:45 <_av500_> there , circuit
May 10 12:38:14 <Moult_> _av500_: any gpio that isn't a ground will do?
May 10 12:38:25 <jackmitchell> Moult_: http://elinux.org/EBC_Exercise_10_Flashing_an_LED
May 10 12:38:32 <jackmitchell> take a look at that about halfway down
May 10 12:39:02 <jackmitchell> leds, switches, potentiometers; everything you could ever need for a circuit
May 10 12:40:50 <jkroon_> Not sure I get the big picture of how to use the PRU.. but for a example, our machine has sensors that returns input to the main cpu. If the data is outside a given range (which is determined by the main cpu), the machine shall stop everything. Am I correct in understanding that I can use the PRU to do this periodical check, by having it retrieve input from sensor and alarm levels from the main cpu ?
May 10 12:41:14 <jkroon_> or am I way off here
May 10 12:42:36 <panto> yes
May 10 12:42:48 <panto> depends on how you read those inputs
May 10 12:43:45 <panto> jkroon_, how do you read those sensors?
May 10 12:44:22 <jkroon_> panto, uhm.. not sure to be honest
May 10 12:44:35 <panto> lol
May 10 12:44:57 <jkroon_> i dont even know what ways there are
May 10 12:45:24 <jkroon_> well, I know as much that we want to use SPI to talk to the sensors
May 10 12:46:22 <jkroon_> but i guess thats not the kind of answer you were looking for ?
May 10 12:46:50 <panto> no, PRU can access the SPI blocks
May 10 12:47:02 <panto> or even bitbang one out of the i/o it has available
May 10 12:47:20 <panto> but it's more complicated
May 10 12:49:35 <jkroon_> panto, but ok, so I kind of got a correct picture of it .. ? pru reads input from spi, and compares with alarm levels calculated by the cpu ?
May 10 12:50:51 <panto> yes
May 10 12:51:23 <jkroon_> panto, which one did you refer to as "complicated" ? bitbanging, reading spi, or both ?
May 10 12:52:38 <panto> you have to do that in assembly
May 10 12:52:42 <panto> PRU assembly
May 10 12:53:10 <cmicali> the best assembly
May 10 12:54:00 <jkroon_> then I better learn RISC assembler
May 10 12:54:13 <cmicali> jkroon what are you trying to build
May 10 12:54:35 <panto> fwiw, if you get it working, the latencies will be nothing short of amazingly low
May 10 12:54:55 <cmicali> i just finished basically 6 straight weeks of PRU coding yesterday
May 10 12:55:01 <cmicali> glad it's over
May 10 12:55:37 <jkroon_> well, it shouldnt that complicated, right ? just read in value, compare to alarm limits, signal out the result
May 10 12:55:43 <jkroon_> sounds simple :-D
May 10 12:55:46 <jackmitchell> jkroon_: heh
May 10 12:56:11 <jackmitchell> tell us that again after you've tried it :P
May 10 12:56:16 <jkroon_> hehe
May 10 12:56:28 <panto> count head hairs before, and after
May 10 12:57:09 <jkroon_> panto, well, if i kernelhacker like you says something like that im getting a little nervous
May 10 12:57:12 <Spirilis> reminds me of this- http://25.media.tumblr.com/45afee799b7f5291cabaf875f294cc12/tumblr_mhodgppoZR1rdsvyro1_250.jpg
May 10 12:57:34 <panto> torment grows character :)
May 10 12:57:45 <jackmitchell> and cynicism
May 10 12:57:49 <Spirilis> that's one way to put it
May 10 12:57:53 <jkroon_> indeed
May 10 12:57:56 <panto> or realism
May 10 12:58:00 <mru> same thing
May 10 12:58:18 <mdp> I do not accept your reality
May 10 12:58:24 <Spirilis> what do you call someone who completes some torment then decides he's sick of that platform and goes to another to experience the torment anew?
May 10 12:58:28 <Spirilis> masochist right?
May 10 12:58:40 <Rickta59> what are you doing with the PRU cmicali ?
May 10 12:58:46 <mru> mdp: you have no choice, I'm the one imagining it
May 10 12:58:54 <mdp> aieee
May 10 12:58:55 <cmicali> rickta: high-speed A/D
May 10 12:59:11 <cmicali> rickta: continuous sampling though, which i couldn't coax out of the kernel spi api
May 10 12:59:17 <Rickta59> is that something for an opensource project?
May 10 12:59:36 <Spirilis> that does sound like something the PRU would be good for, imo (what tiny bit I know about it)
May 10 12:59:48 <cmicali> prototype for commercial product, although I am going to try to open source as much of the useful bits as i can
May 10 13:00:00 <Rickta59> what kind of speed does that deliver?
May 10 13:00:22 <cmicali> about 2Ms/s right now, 16 bit samples so 4mb/s
May 10 13:00:25 <Rickta59> nice
May 10 13:00:34 <cmicali> could be faster, limitation is mostly in the chips i'm using
May 10 13:00:44 <Rickta59> i've thought a good use for one of the BBB would be a cheap oscope
May 10 13:00:50 <Rickta59> doing just that .. using the PRI
May 10 13:00:52 <Rickta59> doing just that .. using the PRU
May 10 13:00:58 <cmicali> in retrospect made wrong decision on one of the chips, i guess there is always v2
May 10 13:01:08 <cmicali> there's a grad student working on such a project
May 10 13:01:14 <Rickta59> link?
May 10 13:01:17 <cmicali> searching
May 10 13:01:40 <cmicali> rickta: https://potterlab.gatech.edu/main/newman/wiki/index.php?title=BoneClamp
May 10 13:01:42 <Rickta59> certainly a kick ass logic analyzer would be possible also
May 10 13:01:43 <Rickta59> thanks
May 10 13:02:03 <cmicali> i think you could pretty easily make both with the hardware/software i have now
May 10 13:02:14 <mdp> cmicali, so you've been successful in the continuous sampling via that path?
May 10 13:02:17 <cmicali> there is a lot of delay
May 10 13:02:23 <cmicali> I'm using big buffers
May 10 13:02:27 <cmicali> could be worked around though
May 10 13:02:30 <cmicali> mdp: yeah finally
May 10 13:02:38 <mdp> cmicali, great!
May 10 13:02:47 <cmicali> mdp: had it working a while ago, but requirement change forced different sampling rates for different channels, and that set me back like 2 weeks
May 10 13:02:52 <mdp> Rickta59, other people working on it
May 10 13:03:12 <mdp> cmicali, ahh, always the "finishing details" take so much time
May 10 13:03:12 <koen> RTAI and Xenomai are dead ends
May 10 13:03:18 <cmicali> mdp: yeah
May 10 13:03:20 <koen> PREEMPT-RT is the way of teh future
May 10 13:03:29 <mdp> cmicali, I have been paying 100% attention here so I probably missed your cries of success
May 10 13:03:31 <cmicali> gotta say, the PRU has been amazing - could not have done this w/o it
May 10 13:03:35 <mdp> s/have/have not/
May 10 13:03:44 <cmicali> would have required an external FPGA or something
May 10 13:03:45 <Rickta59> so most projects using a real beagle bone can just use the BBB at a lower price?
May 10 13:03:59 <jackmitchell> koen: do we have a PREEMPT-RT beaglebone booting with the 3.8 now the patch has been released?
May 10 13:04:09 <mdp> cmicali, yeah, I have a challenge to anybody that can duplicate my bone 6502 cape using full rt preempt instead of the PRU. :)
May 10 13:04:15 <cmicali> so A++ for am335x and the beagle bone team for getting the docs/examples published
May 10 13:04:18 <mdp> at 1MHz
May 10 13:04:18 <Rickta59> I've only started looking at this since hte price drop
May 10 13:04:21 <cmicali> mdp: hah
May 10 13:04:27 <cmicali> mdp: i will kick in $1000 reward to see that
May 10 13:04:57 <mdp> cmicali, yeah, I was thinking of something sexy like offering a free ticket to the next cleveland mini-makerfaire ;)
May 10 13:05:14 <mdp> and I'll buy beer
May 10 13:05:15 <jackmitchell> mdp: including plane ticket ;)
May 10 13:05:31 <mdp> wait, no!
May 10 13:05:46 <mdp> I don't think anybody will be able to collect though ;)
May 10 13:05:57 <mdp> as fiola pointed out earlier
May 10 13:06:04 <cmicali> mdp: well seriously i could fund $500 of that reward - i think a working example would be worth more than that :)
May 10 13:06:11 <koen> jackmitchell: I expect drivers to fail, but won't know till someone tries
May 10 13:06:55 <jackmitchell> koen: yeah, I've made a commitment to myself to give it a go when 3.10-rt is in the wild
May 10 13:07:21 <jackmitchell> hopefully a bit more stable by then
May 10 13:07:21 <mdp> "it holds the promise of the future"
May 10 13:07:38 <mdp> koen, famous DT quotes ;)
May 10 13:07:44 <cmicali> haha
May 10 13:08:00 <cmicali> quote is true if the promise is that they promise you will be frustrated
May 10 13:08:28 <mdp> applicable to so many things..and vague enough to give you warm fuzzies
May 10 13:10:57 <Moult_> _av500_: right, exactly what i was looking for
May 10 13:11:18 <Moult_> _av500_: doesn't work with a motor (3V) though.  any ideas what might be wrong?
May 10 13:12:01 <jackmitchell> Moult_: seriously? not enough power maybe...
May 10 13:12:32 <jackmitchell> switch a transistor from the GPIO which in turn switches power to the motor
May 10 13:13:10 <jackmitchell> I would also recommend buying a basic electronics book
May 10 13:14:06 <Moult_> jackmitchell: yeah. i do need a basic electronics book :(
May 10 13:15:09 <mdp> I really need to document my flash an led trivial example "the right way" so people quit using boxysean's blog
May 10 13:15:25 <mdp> need to find a way to buy some time
May 10 13:15:53 * panto give mdp ?0.02
May 10 13:16:04 <panto> *gives
May 10 13:16:53 * jackmitchell takes 3 seconds by making you read this completely irrelevant line :P
May 10 13:17:03 <mdp> heh
May 10 13:17:23 <jackmitchell> </trollmode>
May 10 13:17:36 <mru> it's friday, keep it on
May 10 13:21:12 <jackmitchell> Moult_: http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-arduino-lesson-13-dc-motors/transistors
May 10 13:21:32 <jackmitchell> same electronic concept, different micro controller
May 10 13:25:53 <Moult_> jackmitchell: ahh thanks that was really helpful
May 10 13:26:24 <jackmitchell> good
May 10 13:26:37 <Moult_> jackmitchell: i don't have any transitors on me, but i'll see if i can get it  working over the weekend
May 10 13:27:33 <Moult_> i should probably purchase a series of standard components which are likely to be used. any suggestions?
May 10 13:27:45 <Moult_> jackmitchell: http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=YM2706&form=CAT2&SUBCATID=983#1 that's the motor btw
May 10 13:29:55 <cmicali> mdp: by right way you mean with a r30 pin and not gpio yeah?
May 10 13:30:50 <cmicali> mdp: the hard part is going to be explaining the right way to get the pins muxed
May 10 13:31:36 <mdp> cmicali, sure, that's why things are time consuming...it's all the overhead stuff and such
May 10 13:31:57 <mdp> it was simpler on the 3.6 kernel..i.e. less work to write up..
May 10 13:31:59 <cmicali> yeah
May 10 13:32:09 <cmicali> i also think that dt overlays are really confusing for most people
May 10 13:32:22 <mdp> having the example handy is one thing...documentation with #exactsteps takes real time
May 10 13:32:23 <cmicali> it adds a big barrier to entry
May 10 13:32:24 <mdp> sure
May 10 13:33:03 <cmicali> maybe we need a PRU cape dtbo shipped with bone
May 10 13:34:53 <koen> cmicali: like cape-bone-nixie-00A0.dtbo ?
May 10 13:35:22 <cmicali> koen: exactly, just one that only has the pinmux for all of the pru0 pins
May 10 13:36:00 <cmicali> would make a 'getting started with the pru' doc that much easier
May 10 13:36:45 <koen> ah, only the mux
May 10 13:36:50 <cmicali> yeah
May 10 13:37:37 <cmicali> nixie w/o the pwm and led stuff
May 10 13:37:42 <cmicali> and more pins
May 10 13:37:50 <cmicali> i could submit a pull request
May 10 13:37:54 <cmicali> i have like 90% of that already
May 10 13:38:00 <koen> please do
May 10 13:38:06 <koen> I was about to say "patches accepted"
May 10 13:38:25 <cmicali> i'll put it together - still need to figure out what is going wrong with the latest kernel though
May 10 13:39:28 <cmicali> i have a todo to look more into it
May 10 13:46:43 <jkroon_>  is the dt overlay thingie something thats being proposed for the official linux kernel ?
May 10 13:47:07 <panto> yeah
May 10 13:47:17 <panto> but work is needed to get in
May 10 13:47:23 <jkroon_> cool
May 10 13:49:19 <_av500_> Moult_: find a motor that only draws 2mA
May 10 13:49:33 <_av500_> or switch it properly
May 10 13:50:00 <Moult_> _av500_: i'll switch it properly using the transistor
May 10 13:51:18 <Moult_> well i've got a led plugged in from P8_3 to ground, but doing b.pinMode('P8_3', 'out'); b.digitalWrite('P8_3', 0); doesn't turn it off. i though setting the mode to output then setting the state to 0 was the same as turning it off?
May 10 13:52:15 <Spirilis> Moult_: you using the cloud9 IDE?
May 10 13:52:41 <Moult_> Spirilis: yes
May 10 13:53:06 <Spirilis> Moult_: it's been flaky as hell for me, does your IDE debug thing have the "stop" icon right now?
May 10 13:53:25 <Moult_> Spirilis: yes
May 10 13:53:40 <Spirilis> basically what I've found is when you write bonescript apps and try to run them, it usually doesn't run them but sits in some state of limbo doing nothing.  ideally your app should run, then stop pretty soon after and leave you with the green play/debug button up there
May 10 13:53:49 <Moult_> Spirilis: it has been rather flaky, yes
May 10 13:53:50 <Moult_> Spirilis: i have also tried it via the demo bonescripts section
May 10 13:54:19 <Spirilis> if you login to the beaglebone black via SSH and run your app directly using the 'node' command it'll probably work
May 10 13:54:31 <Spirilis> login as root, "node /var/lib/cloud9/blahblah.js" or whatever it is
May 10 13:54:51 <Moult_> Spirilis: if i switch P8_3 to USR0 it works fine
May 10 13:55:34 <Spirilis> ah k, I just wouldn't count out the idea that the IDE isn't working at all here :)  in my experience so far it's hit or miss whether the IDE actually runs your program when you hit play...
May 10 13:56:44 <Spirilis> the pushbutton examples in the webpage always work but I think they run the programs without the debug feature, which seems to be the hangup right now
May 10 13:56:53 <Spirilis> er form button
May 10 13:58:02 <Moult_> Spirilis: it's definitely running. i got it to change the USR0 light too
May 10 14:04:31 <jakes> Anyone have luck using edimax 7811Un wireless usb dongle on beaglebone black?
May 10 14:05:17 <koen> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30
May 10 14:07:17 <jakes> I have downloaded and tried to make but  receive error build directory doesn't exist - I have kerne-headers and kernel-dev installed
May 10 14:12:58 <jkroon_> is the uio_pruss driver non-working with the 3.8 kernel ?
May 10 14:13:43 <mdp> jkroon_, sorta...someone posted a magic up/down script on the list which claimed to get it going
May 10 14:14:23 <jkroon_> mdp, hmm, i better start subscribing to this list... which one is it ?
May 10 14:15:34 <mdp> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/beagleboard
May 10 14:15:43 <mdp> one the web page under community, forums
May 10 14:15:43 <jkroon_> ugh.. google
May 10 14:16:02 <mdp> suscribe and read in mutt
May 10 14:16:14 <cmicali> jkroon: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/issues/37
May 10 14:18:16 <mdp> there's the magic ;)
May 10 14:19:23 <jkroon_> thats some magic allright..
May 10 14:19:36 <panto> cmicali, brrr
May 10 14:19:37 <mdp> this is specific to 3.8 and the cape manager stuff
May 10 14:19:39 <panto> that's crazy
May 10 14:19:44 <mdp> it worked fine on 3.6
May 10 14:19:50 * panto needs to look at it 
May 10 14:19:56 <mdp> well, maybe due to hwmod reset management updates
May 10 14:19:59 <mdp> panto, yes you do ;)
May 10 14:20:00 <panto> mdp, it worked on a previous 3.8
May 10 14:20:34 <panto> I have about 4 things to do which have greater priority
May 10 14:22:27 <mdp> 5 things, all top priority!
May 10 14:24:58 <Miragul> Hello, i have flashed my bbb with the lastest 2013-05-08 angstrom distri and when iam connecting it with the usb cabel to my laptop and ssh in through GateOne i dont see any output... any idea why?
May 10 14:25:09 <holkar> beaglebone leds are  not blinking
May 10 14:39:44 <ka6sox-away> panto, YAY!!!
May 10 14:40:31 <panto> ka6sox-away, only tested in my throwaway bbb A1, but there's a chance it might work on production ones :P
May 10 14:40:42 <jakes> Miragul: couldn't get that to work either - just hung connecting...
May 10 14:41:33 <panto> ka6sox-away, I think that something is busted with the camera cape though
May 10 14:41:55 <panto> will need people with scopes to check why the board hangs at higher resolutions/rates
May 10 14:43:35 <cmicali> pant i will do some digging on that issue today
May 10 14:43:37 <cmicali> panto
May 10 14:43:51 <cmicali> now that i'm out from under deadline pressure
May 10 14:43:58 <cmicali> and have at least a few minutes to do something else
May 10 14:44:49 <mru> panto: what kind of scope, lexical or dynamic?
May 10 14:45:08 <panto> local
May 10 14:48:56 <ka6sox-away> panto, I do not have that cape...but I do have Local Scope...
May 10 14:49:22 <panto> you have your own gpmc stuff though
May 10 14:49:31 <ka6sox-away> but of course
May 10 14:49:37 <ka6sox-away> BCC
May 10 14:49:48 <panto> you can take a look at the CAM3 cape and see how it's done
May 10 14:49:56 <ka6sox-away> ya
May 10 14:50:01 <panto> I'm not very happy with the way GPMC is configured/used
May 10 14:50:05 <ka6sox-away> I can probably emulate it.
May 10 14:50:15 <ka6sox-away> :)
May 10 14:50:35 <panto> anyway, tgif
May 10 14:52:29 <ka6sox-away> panto, indeed! TGIF!
May 10 14:53:29 <holkar> i hv problem with beaglebone only power led is flashing other leds are not flashing
May 10 14:55:34 <ka6sox-away> <#5> need input </#5>
May 10 14:56:06 <cmicali> tfgif
May 10 14:58:08 <holkar> usr1,2,3,4 leds  r not flashing please tell me what to do
May 10 14:59:28 <Spirilis> holkar: describe your setup.  beaglebone black right?
May 10 14:59:43 <Spirilis> holkar: any SD cards installed, is it just plugged into your computer with a USB cable?
May 10 15:02:50 <holkar> i hv angstrom distribution which came with beagle bone
May 10 15:03:22 <holkar> its not beaglebone black
May 10 15:03:36 <Spirilis> ah I have no idea then, only have a bbblack :-)
May 10 15:04:46 <Spirilis> hmm, side note, just found the gear icon for Run mode so you can disable Debug mode in cloud9.
May 10 15:04:59 <Spirilis> that works better.  would be nice to have working debugging but it doesn't seem to be happening at all
May 10 15:07:19 <holkar> i dont know about cloud
May 10 15:19:03 <jackmitchell> holkar: have you connected it to your computer and read what the serial says when you power the board up? If not, do that.
May 10 15:20:46 <jackmitchell> holkar: otherwise, I would try a fresh flash of the sd card detailed here: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
May 10 15:24:37 <koen> I built an up to date sd card image today: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.05.10.img.xz
May 10 15:25:50 <Spirilis> koen: that's equal to the 5/8/2013 eMMC image?
May 10 15:26:31 <koen> no
May 10 15:26:40 <koen> 2 days of updates
May 10 15:26:43 <Spirilis> gotcha :)
May 10 15:26:48 <Spirilis> might try it for kicks
May 10 15:26:58 <Spirilis> got a 32GB somewhat fast uSD card now for doing crazy stuff
May 10 15:27:19 <cmicali> koen kernel updates or other stuff too?
May 10 15:27:26 <koen> Spirilis: http://hastebin.com/xoyixuwohe.coffee
May 10 15:27:42 <koen> cmicali: see the above link :)
May 10 15:27:46 <cmicali> ah nice
May 10 15:28:13 <fiola> Mmmm, coffee
May 10 15:28:50 <Spirilis> woot
May 10 15:30:15 <Spirilis> any of you really familiar with the cloud9 IDE's debugger or is this new territory?  doesn't seem to work at all, executes the node command with my .js file but hangs indefinitely with journalctl showing errors connecting I guess (I opened a thread about this already)
May 10 15:37:44 <jkroon_> tgif for me 2
May 10 15:44:37 <cmicali> koen: is there a beagle bone version of the angstrom getting started guide?
May 10 15:44:56 <cmicali> I'm looking @ http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
May 10 15:45:28 <koen> why does there need to be a bone specfic one?
May 10 15:45:41 <cmicali> maybe there's not, just used the 'beagle board' config?
May 10 15:45:56 <koen> MACHINE=beaglebone bitbake what-I-want
May 10 15:46:00 <ka6sox> mdp, panto: would this be helpful:http://elinux.org/Ti_AM33XX_PRUSSv2#Beaglebone_PRU_connections_and_modes:
May 10 15:46:26 <ka6sox> only done the top line for 1, but its a lot of work so want to make sure its helpful first.
May 10 15:47:46 <mdp> ka6sox, sure...couldn't hurt to put the magic am335x pinctrl-single DT specific offset too
May 10 15:49:23 <cmicali> that is awesome
May 10 15:49:36 <cmicali> yeah definitely would include the pinctrl offsets
May 10 15:49:48 <ka6sox> so instead of 990h it would be teh 190h offset
May 10 15:49:53 <mdp> correct
May 10 15:50:03 <mdp> but show both
May 10 15:50:13 <mdp> the 190h thing is a FAQ that can be addressed at least
May 10 15:50:18 <mdp> in this context
May 10 15:50:24 <ka6sox> kk
May 10 15:50:33 <mdp> but you want 990h there as well so it grokable next to the TRM
May 10 15:51:52 <ka6sox> reload
May 10 15:52:14 <mdp> that would be a sexy column in bradfa's tables too IMHO
May 10 15:52:24 <mdp> yet another thing I should make time for ;)
May 10 15:52:32 <Spirilis> cloud9 debugging, definitely a race condition, running cloud9 inside strace and debug mode works perfectly every time.  the whole IDE is slowed down from the strace
May 10 15:52:43 <ka6sox> I don't have time to do this in a bunch of places
May 10 15:52:50 <ka6sox> (and neither do you!)
May 10 15:52:51 <mdp> very nice
May 10 15:53:02 <mdp> I mention it in case somebody is really bored ;)
May 10 15:53:31 <mdp> I must give priority to the imminent arrival of my two 27" IPS displays
May 10 15:53:35 <mdp> we need some alone time
May 10 15:53:40 <bradfa> pull requests accepted
May 10 15:53:57 <bradfa> but not right now, it's lunch
May 10 15:54:01 <ka6sox> bradfa, understood :)
May 10 15:54:11 <mdp> "patches welcome"
May 10 15:54:18 <lordchainer> hi, just bought a BBB. I want it to automatically boot from SD instead of eMMC (without pressing the boot button). Any ideas? I read somewhere that i could use rootfs and uEnv.txt but i have no idea how
May 10 15:55:05 <mru> tape the button down :)
May 10 15:55:55 <cmicali> ka6sox: fyi i made a syntax highlighter for pru assembly for textmate/sublimettext/chocolat https://github.com/sagedevices/ti-pruv2-assembly-textmate-bundle - makes things much easer
May 10 15:56:03 <eikeon> Any pointers to instructions for how to flash a disk image onto the eMMC? I have a working disk image with ubuntu that I'm currently booting from using the µSD slot. Can I use BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.08.img.xz and just replace the root partition?
May 10 15:56:50 <jackmitchell> mdp: have you bought some south Lorean beauties?
May 10 15:56:56 <jackmitchell> s/Lorean/Korean
May 10 15:57:09 <jackmitchell> or have you gone posh with Dells or the like?
May 10 15:57:13 <_av500_> lordchainer: just kill MLO on emmc
May 10 15:57:26 <_av500_> then it should always boot from uSD
May 10 15:57:26 <mru> 27" is too large
May 10 15:57:35 <_av500_> 27" is fine
May 10 15:57:49 <jackmitchell> mru: I thought so too until I bought two, now i'm of the opinion 24 is too small
May 10 15:57:49 <mdp> jackmitchell, ok, so my wife seeing this log will be 'inquisitive'
May 10 15:57:53 <mdp> but yes, korean
May 10 15:58:00 <mru> depends on viewing distance obviously
May 10 15:58:02 <ssi> 27" is great so long as it's 2560x1440 or higher
May 10 15:58:05 <jackmitchell> mdp: which ones? I have a pair of the CrossOvers
May 10 15:58:10 <ssi> otherwise it's just big elderly people pixels
May 10 15:58:16 <_av500_> ssi: indeed
May 10 15:58:21 <mdp> mru, I test drove other 27" units locally at proper viewing distance
May 10 15:58:29 <mdp> and they are 2560x1440 fwiw
May 10 15:58:29 <ssi> or a TV
May 10 15:58:30 <Mode-M> hi, is there a guide how to flash a ubifs image on the nand flash of the beagleboard?
May 10 15:58:39 <_av500_> it has no nand
May 10 15:58:40 <lordchainer> _av500_ how do i do that? Sorry, I'm a beginner with system files
May 10 15:58:49 <_av500_> rm
May 10 15:58:57 <_av500_> Mode-M: or you mean beagle classic?
May 10 15:59:09 <lordchainer> _av500_ : how do i do that? Sorry, I'm a beginner with system files
May 10 15:59:09 <Mode-M> i mean the beagleboard c2
May 10 15:59:13 <_av500_> ah
May 10 15:59:26 <_av500_> lordchainer: log in
May 10 15:59:45 <_av500_> via ssh
May 10 15:59:49 <mdp> mru, proper desk mounts arriving to adjust them correctly too..that's critical
May 10 15:59:55 <_av500_> mount the fta partition and delete MLO
May 10 16:00:00 <_av500_> FAT partition
May 10 16:00:42 <Mode-M> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardNAND uses jffs2, but i want to use ubifs
May 10 16:00:42 <ka6sox> cmicali, is this somewhere that people can get to it?
May 10 16:01:00 <cmicali> ka6sox: that github repo, https://github.com/sagedevices/ti-pruv2-assembly-textmate-bundle
May 10 16:01:01 <mru> mdp: let me put it this way: I certainly wouldn't mind having some more pixels in my 24" 1920x1200 display
May 10 16:01:10 <_av500_> Mode-M: I dont think there is a guide
May 10 16:01:20 <cmicali> ka6sox: up a level i also have a fork of the PRU package that includes an example accessing DDR memory
May 10 16:01:29 <cmicali> ka6sox: planning on adding a few more examples too
May 10 16:01:39 <ka6sox> cmicali, please add that to the wikipage under resources?
May 10 16:01:51 <cmicali> ka6sox: not sure i have access to edit the wiki
May 10 16:02:07 <ka6sox> ask for it...wmat or prpplague can "promote" you
May 10 16:02:58 <cmicali> ka6sox: account requested, "cmicali"
May 10 16:03:16 <mdp> mru, that's where I am at now, in fact..one good 24" 1920x1200..and another very crappy 22" low res
May 10 16:03:17 <ka6sox> now we politely ask prpplague or wmat to promite you.
May 10 16:03:46 <mdp> and I'm elderly for this industry..so 27" is going to be ok ;)
May 10 16:03:53 <cmicali> prpplague: i humbly request promotion
May 10 16:04:10 <ka6sox> mdp, +1
May 10 16:04:17 <ka6sox> I resemble that remark
May 10 16:04:54 <_av500_> mdp: when we started android work, we visited google, and the android team each had 2x30" on their desks
May 10 16:04:58 * prpplague looks in
May 10 16:05:08 <prpplague> elinux.org wiki?
May 10 16:05:12 <_av500_> so I told my boss, ok, lets do android, but we need new HW :)
May 10 16:05:12 <ka6sox> yes
May 10 16:05:25 <ka6sox> please
May 10 16:05:30 <mru> mdp: yes, and I'd like more *pixels*, not more size
May 10 16:05:40 <prpplague> edits for elinux are open to anyone
May 10 16:05:46 <prpplague> just need an account
May 10 16:05:52 <psw> Is it possible to make voice calls connecting a gsm modem to beagleboard xm?
May 10 16:05:59 <ka6sox> yes, he is requesting an account cmicali
May 10 16:06:16 <mdp> mru, understood
May 10 16:06:29 <ka6sox> mru, I need bigger pixels...not more
May 10 16:06:33 <prpplague> done
May 10 16:06:38 <ka6sox> prpplague, thanks!
May 10 16:06:53 <mdp> ka6sox, apple ][ low-res graphics ought to do the trick
May 10 16:07:12 <ka6sox> my first attempt at RCU
May 10 16:07:13 <cmicali> prpplague: thank you
May 10 16:07:17 <Mode-M> can someone please confirm that this works for recent angstrom versions? http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beagleboard/flasher/README
May 10 16:07:35 <Mode-M> and of course recent u-boot versions
May 10 16:07:54 <jackmitchell> right beer time y'all, till Monday!
May 10 16:07:57 <ka6sox> mdp, yup
May 10 16:08:03 <ka6sox> laters jackmitchell
May 10 16:08:11 <_av500_> Mode-M: no
May 10 16:08:57 <_av500_> Mode-M: it might work
May 10 16:09:09 <Mode-M> mmh.
May 10 16:09:10 <_av500_> I have no idea if anybody tried that recently
May 10 16:09:12 <ka6sox> mdp, I got a 17" MBP not because of more pixels....
May 10 16:09:27 * eikeon finds answer "Note: This .img can be directly applied to the internal eMMC while booted from an SD card." via http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/
May 10 16:24:07 <exosyst> Are there any known issues with using the BBB with Fedora? I've got a A4a rev board and I get no /dev entries showing up at all
May 10 16:25:01 <ssi> fedora is still a thing? :P
May 10 16:25:22 <ssi> is devfs mounted?
May 10 16:25:43 <exosyst> devtmpfs on /dev type devtmpfs
May 10 16:26:25 <ssi> that's all I got :(
May 10 16:26:47 <exosyst> welp that was great :D
May 10 16:27:03 <ssi> *slowclap*
May 10 16:28:54 <exosyst> i get no dmesg output either which is slightly disconcerting too
May 10 16:33:01 <exosyst> I do see the heartbeat and CPU activity LEDs. I then get http://pastebin.com/YiDEMk2g and then all activity stops - power issue?
May 10 16:33:19 <Calc> has anyone done any compiling of RobertNelson's ubuntu version for BBB from the source tree?
May 10 16:36:25 <_av500_> exosyst: powered via usb?
May 10 16:37:42 <Pete__> @koen me again :p
May 10 16:38:08 <Pete__> You know you said use fedora? lol
May 10 16:41:37 <exosyst> _av500_, yeah, it's from USB. Does it need a bit more oomph?
May 10 16:43:47 <lordchainer> _av500_: I tried the MLO thing you suggested some minutes ago. Thing is, I'm looking for a solution if possible that allows me to boot automatically from SD without having to modify the eMMC
May 10 16:44:43 <lordchainer> That's because I'm going to do the same thing with a high volume of BBBs.
May 10 16:47:38 <lordchainer> I was told it was to boot automartically from SD by changing the uEnv.txt file using rootfs but I don't know how
May 10 16:47:46 <lxsameer> hi, how many usb port does beagle black has?
May 10 16:48:18 <inkjetunito> rtc?
May 10 16:48:59 <exosyst> lxsameer, One USB port and one USB otg
May 10 16:49:20 <inkjetunito> *battery-backed rtc?
May 10 16:49:31 <Spirilis> no there is no battery-backed RTC onboard
May 10 16:49:34 <Pete__> anyone using fedora as a host dev environment?
May 10 16:49:37 <mru> time is overrated
May 10 16:49:42 <inkjetunito> Spirilis: thanks
May 10 16:49:42 <mru> real time doubly so
May 10 16:50:08 <exosyst> Pete__, planning on it for the courses I give
May 10 16:50:17 <Spirilis> koen: hmm your SD image not create the USB network link?  or at least I'm not seeing it come up
May 10 16:50:19 <exosyst> but I'm not the best example as I'm fighting mine :D
May 10 16:50:32 <lxsameer> exosyst: thanks
May 10 16:51:28 <m_billybob> playing with new image Spirilis ?
May 10 16:51:42 <Spirilis> just wrote koen's 5/10 image to my uSD for kicks
May 10 16:51:56 <m_billybob> still trying to iron out my probably self induced "bugs"
May 10 16:52:07 <m_billybob> whats that ?
May 10 16:52:08 <Spirilis> there is definitely a nasty debugger race condition bug in Cloud9 IDE, thankfully you can disable debugging as I just found out.
May 10 16:52:30 <m_billybob> whats a koen 5/10 image ? lol
May 10 16:52:30 <Spirilis> m_billybob: 11:24 < koen> I built an up to date sd card image today: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.05.10.img.xz
May 10 16:52:37 <m_billybob> ah
May 10 16:52:39 <Pete__> I'm trying but I cant yum the eglibc-devel package, yum says no such thing
May 10 16:52:49 <Pete__> so cant build the kernal
May 10 16:53:10 <m_billybob> Spirilis going console here. i need to learn how to compile in stuff like openssh-server etc
May 10 16:53:20 <Spirilis> yeah
May 10 16:53:33 <m_billybob> and load in custom config files etc of course
May 10 16:54:22 <m_billybob> MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh bitbake console-image
May 10 16:54:23 <Spirilis> oh weird, ok it's probably not koen's image cause the eMMC isn't showing up on its usb network link either
May 10 16:54:31 <m_billybob> just did that waiting to see if it errors out
May 10 16:54:36 <Spirilis> probably the stupid mac
May 10 16:55:23 <m_billybob> im still not 100% sure that MACHINE=beaglebone is what i need. not sure if that applies for BBW *and* BBB
May 10 16:55:39 <m_billybob> havent seen anything to indicate otherwise though
May 10 16:57:25 <m_billybob> Oh lovely -> Currently 2 running tasks (2810 of 3130):
May 10 16:57:40 <m_billybob> hopefully that wont take days like that systemmd build lol
May 10 16:58:10 <Spirilis> aight, got usb network with koen's SD image
May 10 16:58:15 <Spirilis> mac just needed a reboot
May 10 16:58:35 <Pete__> m_billybob what os you using for building again?
May 10 16:58:48 <m_billybob> Pete__ debian wheezy
May 10 16:59:39 <Pete__> I just want a setup that will build the damn kernel lol
May 10 16:59:48 <m_billybob> Linux debian 3.2.0-4-486 #1 Debian 3.2.41-2 i686 GNU/Linux
May 10 16:59:53 <m_billybob> ubuntu should build it
May 10 17:00:18 <m_billybob> im finding that the guides online are all either outdates, or partly misinformation
May 10 17:00:28 <m_billybob> e.g. lots of information omited
May 10 17:00:38 <Pete__> ubuntu works for systemd-image fine, but not cloud9-gnome-image
May 10 17:01:43 <m_billybob> Pete you getting that ERROR nothign provides blah blah blah ?
May 10 17:01:43 <Pete__> fedora 18 doesnt work at all because the instructions say to yum install eglibc-devel but that apparently doesnt exist
May 10 17:02:47 <exosyst> Pete__, what instructions are they? I wouldn't have thought you need eglibc-devel on the host?
May 10 17:03:17 <Pete__> http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Getting_started
May 10 17:03:34 <psw> Is it possible to connect a gsm mode to beagleboard xm for voice call support?
May 10 17:03:47 <joel_> why not build the kernel without OE, if kernel is all you want
May 10 17:04:05 <exosyst> joel_, Pete__ that was my next question :D
May 10 17:04:15 <m_billybob> pretty sure hes building or trying ot build a whole image
May 10 17:04:27 <Pete__> I want to be able to reproduce the stanard image
May 10 17:05:06 <m_billybob> Pete, is you heart stuck on fedora ?
May 10 17:05:19 <m_billybob> i have partial instructions for debian , which should work on ubuntu too
May 10 17:05:30 <m_billybob> e.g. whcih packages need to be installed
May 10 17:05:46 <Pete__> nope, I tried ubuntu then was told by peeps on here that ubuntu was my issue and try fedora lol
May 10 17:05:53 <Mode-M> after i boot up my beagleboard with the serial cable connected the size of the terminal is very small. http://d.pr/i/pqIv is there a way to make it larger?
May 10 17:06:08 <m_billybob> i think but am not sure i found them hidden away somewhere on Yocto's site
May 10 17:07:33 <joel_> eglibc shouldnt' be a host side dependency I feel
May 10 17:07:43 <joel_> OE should know to pull it for the build
May 10 17:07:57 <exosyst> Hmm, that sucks. I plan on using a yocto build to get mine going - I don't understand why you need eglibc-devel seeing as that's only going to be used on the target
May 10 17:08:25 <m_billybob> Pete__, i think that it is more likely that the instructions for OE are scattered all over the net, and not complete / up to date ( whcih is more likely the issue )
May 10 17:08:54 <joel_> oh, yocto instructions say so, bummer.;)
May 10 17:09:25 <joel_> I doubt I ever needed such a package on the host-side though when I built Angstrom once upon a time.
May 10 17:09:41 <m_billybob> Pete__ im tryign to work around one issue at a time myself lol. several years ago, OE was way worse to try and learn though
May 10 17:10:45 <Pete__> Im getting properly hacked off trying to work out whats happening
May 10 17:11:01 <m_billybob> ive been there know exatly how you feel
May 10 17:11:03 <ds2> OE is trivial to try and learn
May 10 17:11:06 <m_billybob> because im not a dumbass
May 10 17:11:12 <m_billybob> yeah right
May 10 17:11:27 <ds2> download and run like 3 commands if even that
May 10 17:11:35 <joel_> +1
May 10 17:11:40 <Pete__> yeah yeah if only
May 10 17:11:49 <m_billybob> ds2 problem is instructions are either flat out wrong, or incomplete
May 10 17:11:57 <m_billybob> you need to setup a proer "toolchain"
May 10 17:12:02 <m_billybob> where is that info ?
May 10 17:12:10 <m_billybob> I had to hunt that information myself
May 10 17:12:21 <Pete__> scattered in peoples heads I recon
May 10 17:12:35 <joel_> toolchain is supposed to be built by OE
May 10 17:12:52 <Pete__> its like fight club knowing how this all works lol
May 10 17:13:11 <m_billybob> joel yeah maybe but thats not been my experience
May 10 17:13:20 <Pete__> mine either
May 10 17:13:37 <ds2> huh toolchain?
May 10 17:13:43 <m_billybob> no matter im documenting my steps
May 10 17:13:43 <ds2> there is no toolchain to setup
May 10 17:13:50 <m_billybob> dependancies . . .
May 10 17:14:03 <ds2> the instructions seem fine
May 10 17:14:04 <m_billybob> which the list is rathe rextensive
May 10 17:14:14 <samch> hello
May 10 17:14:17 <samch> one question
May 10 17:14:28 <Pete__> which instructions?
May 10 17:14:31 <ds2> had to do this about 4 times before (not my personal choice of tools but be happy to use it if someone asks) and they just work
May 10 17:14:41 <samch> how can i read adc in beaglebone black in C++ or C
May 10 17:14:46 <m_billybob> ds2 for ubuntu ?
May 10 17:14:52 <ds2> probally a few more times then 4 but...
May 10 17:14:59 <ds2> m_billybob: yep. and slackware
May 10 17:15:11 <samch> example for read ADC in beagleboard
May 10 17:15:24 <Pete__> ubuntu doesnt work for me though
May 10 17:15:26 <m_billybob> ds2, not doubting what you say or trying to argue becuase you're by far not the first to say somethign similar
May 10 17:15:57 <ds2> m_billybob: what is it doing when you run bitbake?
May 10 17:15:59 <m_billybob> maybe its just my type of case, because I typically do a minimal debian install for everythign
May 10 17:16:19 <m_billybob> ds2, i cant even run bitbakle without oebb.sh
May 10 17:16:23 <joel_> yes OE is a bitch with host-side dependencies
May 10 17:16:24 <m_billybob> "no such comand"
May 10 17:16:36 <ds2> m_billybob: your path is not set up right hten
May 10 17:16:47 <ds2> paths are a basic thing
May 10 17:16:53 <m_billybob> yeah i thought as much
May 10 17:16:54 <Pete__> host side dependancies that dont exist too lol
May 10 17:17:02 <m_billybob> well i had an idea it could be that
May 10 17:17:40 <ds2> bitbake is a python script
May 10 17:17:47 <ds2> your shell needs to know where to find it.
May 10 17:18:01 <m_billybob> yeah i need to know where to find it too lol
May 10 17:18:04 <ds2> most installs clone bitbake so you need to tell it to search where you cloned it
May 10 17:19:14 <Chris___> Anyone know if I can use a power supply to give exactly 5V to the vdc jack on a beaglebone? I'm trying to do just that with a 5.5x2.1 connector, but the power led doesnt turn on.
May 10 17:23:58 <lordchainer> hi, any pointers on to modify the uEnv.txt file from the SD in order to boot automatically from SD instead of eMMC? Someone earlier on told me I had to use rootfs but i don't know how
May 10 17:25:19 <m_billybob> google beaglebone black uEnv.txt there is a wiki page that looks useful
May 10 17:25:33 <m_billybob> id find it myself but im busy with own problems atm
May 10 17:25:36 <Spirilis> lordchainer: I sorta suspect you can create an empty uEnv.txt file on the SD and that would do it
May 10 17:25:46 <Spirilis> worth a try at least
May 10 17:27:22 <lordchainer> Spirilis: There's already an image in my SD, so my SD already has an  uEnv.txt file
May 10 17:27:56 <Spirilis> hm k.  got an FTDI cable hooked up to its console to see why it's not booting?
May 10 17:28:30 <m_billybob> lordchainer, you pressing down S2 before powering up the board ?
May 10 17:28:55 <m_billybob> press S2 plug in power wiat for first LED to come on then let go S2
May 10 17:28:59 <m_billybob> somethign to that effect
May 10 17:29:15 <m_billybob> instructions are on the mailing list
May 10 17:29:52 <Pete__> ds2 if you use ubuntu any idea what would cause this compile error?
May 10 17:30:16 <Pete__> fcfreetype.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/fcfreetype.o In file included from fcftint.h:26:0,                  from fcfreetype.c:48: ../fontconfig/fcfreetype.h:28:10: error: #include expects "FILENAME" or <FILENAME> ../fontconfig/fcfreetype.h:36:10: error: unknown type name 'FT_UInt' ../fontconfig/fcfreetype.h:37:22: error: unknown type name 'FT_Face' ../fontconfig/fcfreetype.h:40:30: error: unknown type name 'FT_Face' ../fontconfig/fcfreetyp
May 10 17:31:11 <lordchainer> m_billybob: yeah, but  I'm looking for a solution to do it automatically because I'm planning to use a high volume of BBBs. The idea is to insert the SD, boot from there and done
May 10 17:31:15 <Pete__> that only happens if I try and build the cloud9-gnome-image so I'm guessing its because of gnome OE is trying to build the font libraries
May 10 17:31:39 <koen> Pete__: like I said, don't use ubuntu
May 10 17:32:01 <koen> Pete__: did you follow the instructions at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom ?
May 10 17:32:04 <Pete__> Yeah but you said use fedora which doesn't work in another way lol
May 10 17:32:05 <m_billybob> lordchainer, yeah i dont know how to do that. someone on the list got a working uEnv.txt ( automated ) with sd card plugged in, but booting to emmc
May 10 17:32:47 <m_billybob> lordchainer, just just based on that my assumption the reverse could be possible too
May 10 17:32:50 <Pete__> Yes those instructions
May 10 17:33:08 <lordchainer> m_billybob: do you know their nickname/email?
May 10 17:33:19 <koen> Pete__: and did you install the things mentioned in http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro#Fedora_13_.2C_14_.2C_15_and_16 ?
May 10 17:33:29 <m_billybob> lordchainer, no but i may be able to find the mail one second
May 10 17:34:09 <m_billybob> got to fire up chrome, and it'll take a while to load 30 pages so give me a minute or two lol
May 10 17:34:55 <Pete__> ah now I found a different page, which told me I needed to install eglibc-devel which yum says does not exist
May 10 17:35:28 <Pete__> I'll try the ones on that page
May 10 17:35:56 <m_billybob> lordchainer topic name -> [beagleboard] Access to SD card from emmc
May 10 17:36:25 <woglinde> again?
May 10 17:37:16 <m_billybob> or hmm thats beagleboard
May 10 17:37:28 <woglinde> lol
May 10 17:37:39 <woglinde> next try
May 10 17:37:56 <m_billybob> nvm its bbb specific post
May 10 17:38:54 <lordchainer> m_billybob, thanks anyway
May 10 17:40:19 <exosyst> How do I know if the BBB is writing the eMMC? Hold the switch for a few seconds and assume? I don't get a /dev/ttyUSBX entry at any point, is that right?
May 10 17:42:14 <Spirilis> one of the user LEDs by default is an eMMC activity light
May 10 17:43:35 <exosyst> I saw that on the getting-started page, so they all blinked away for a while and now usr0 is solid and nothing else is happening.
May 10 17:43:58 <exosyst> Spirilis, is that expected or should the LED keep blinking for eMMC activity (I would've expected so)
May 10 17:58:00 <m_billybob> ok think i finaly found the pth lol
May 10 18:03:23 <Pete__> Fingers crossed Koen, new build started
May 10 18:15:27 <Spirilis> exosyst: hmm, USR0 in a booted linux instance should be blinking (2 blinks followed by a pause, then 2 blinks, pause, etc)
May 10 18:24:39 <plugwash> does anyone know of any instructions for putting debian on a beaglebone black without a serial console or a microhdmi display?
May 10 18:27:19 <cmicali> m_billybob: did you get oe to successfully build you a root img?
May 10 18:29:08 <Pete__> I've got fedora up and running I think now. 448 of 8166 complete
May 10 18:29:49 <ka6sox> all you JavaScript Mavens....can JS do Hex Math?
May 10 18:30:46 <cmicali> Hex Math?
May 10 18:31:22 <ka6sox> A4+06
May 10 18:31:45 <cmicali> var res = 0xA4 + 0x06 ?
May 10 18:31:45 <ka6sox> = AA
May 10 18:31:53 <ka6sox> yes
May 10 18:32:23 <cmicali> yes it can
May 10 18:32:37 <Pete__> You'd never be able to write anything useful in Java if it didn't
May 10 18:32:39 <cmicali> try the above in the chrome console
May 10 18:32:47 <Pete__> Oh I forgot, you can't anyway lol
May 10 18:32:56 <ka6sox> Pete__, ++
May 10 18:33:17 <cmicali> haters gonna hate
May 10 18:33:48 <ka6sox> cmicali, I just Jenkins all the time...and it works wonderfully...but I gotta contain it on its *own* VM so it doesn't spread.
May 10 18:33:53 <Pete__> I'm an embedded programmer, Java is just for kids lol
May 10 18:34:26 <ka6sox> Java and Embedded don't mix well.
May 10 18:34:42 <panto> oh, it hasn't stopped people from trying
May 10 18:35:02 <SpeedEvil> there are embedded java processors
May 10 18:35:03 <Pete__> ka6sox, ++
May 10 18:35:08 <SpeedEvil> which work fine
May 10 18:35:24 <lxsameer> I'm in Iran, does any one know an online store that ship beaglebone in iran too?
May 10 18:35:24 <Pete__> yes, but java is not deterministic, or real time
May 10 18:35:42 <Pete__> Linux is pushing it tbh
May 10 18:35:56 <Pete__> but everything is going to linux so have to live with it
May 10 18:36:57 <panto> dinner time
May 10 18:37:09 <cmicali> ka6sox: the jvm is a fickle beast
May 10 18:37:40 <cmicali> ka6sox: spent a long time on this the other day http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/gc-tuning-6-140523.html
May 10 18:38:36 <cmicali> mind numbing
May 10 18:39:17 <[1]segfault> panto, i screwed up the cipher in my PoC
May 10 18:39:25 <[1]segfault> that's why it wasn't working for you
May 10 18:39:54 <[1]segfault> note to self: always copy and paste
May 10 18:40:51 <Digital_Warrior> What have I missed
May 10 18:53:13 <decipherstatic> has anyone been able to get any starterware examples working? I created the sd with the MLO and app files but when I apply power while holding the boot button "C" is all that is printed to the debug uart.
May 10 18:55:32 <panto> [1]segfault, I fixed it but the h/w accel doesn't kick in
May 10 18:56:32 <panto> have to help me a bit there
May 10 18:56:45 <panto> how do I make sure the cipher selected get's to the h/w crypto driver?
May 10 19:02:41 <lostoy> anyone there?
May 10 19:03:22 <Spirilis> woot, my FTDI boards are on their way across the country
May 10 19:03:34 <Spirilis> that was pretty darned quick turnaround for OSHpark
May 10 19:04:42 <lostoy> anyone had experience with beagleboard dvi?
May 10 19:09:08 <panto> it is now... beer time
May 10 19:09:25 <panto> cya bridge ppl
May 10 19:13:24 <f0rsaken-> sup
May 10 19:15:42 <exosyst> Hmm, ok, I seem to have flashed successfully. Is it correct that it shows as a /dev/ttyACM0? Should the baud rate be 115200 like the BBW as I get no output from screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200
May 10 19:26:26 <psw> Which modem do you recommend for using with beagleboard-xm for making gsm voice calls?
May 10 19:37:19 <ka6sox> bradfa, ping?
May 10 19:40:07 <ka6sox> bradfa, please review https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables/pull/3
May 10 19:40:09 <bradfa> ka6sox, pong
May 10 19:40:15 <bradfa> k
May 10 19:40:45 <ka6sox> (at your leisure)
May 10 19:43:59 <bradfa> ka6sox, looks good, will merge, but I'm going to reword your commit messages, if that's OK
May 10 19:44:11 <bradfa> thanks!
May 10 19:44:18 <ka6sox> sure
May 10 19:47:07 <bradfa> done
May 10 19:47:44 <ka6sox> thanks
May 10 19:47:50 <bradfa> you're welcome :)
May 10 19:59:41 <_av500_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15599/20130510_175750.jpg
May 10 19:59:51 <_av500_> users are complaining hdmi is too close to usb
May 10 20:00:39 <koen> altoids tax
May 10 20:00:41 <dm8tbr> pdffff
May 10 20:07:54 <mranostay> HELLO EVERYONE!
May 10 20:07:58 <lasse_> Hello !
May 10 20:08:22 <lasse_> Quick question which beagleboard should one buy if all i wanna do is connect a CMOS sensor to it
May 10 20:08:29 <_av500_> MRANOSTAY: SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY?
May 10 20:09:05 <lasse_> a standard camera using BT.656 parallel interface i'm not sure which processor would be best suited it seems the AM355x doesnt have camera IF
May 10 20:10:00 <_av500_> indeed
May 10 20:10:05 <_av500_> Beagle XM has
May 10 20:10:26 <_av500_> and even a DSP for video encoding
May 10 20:10:30 <_av500_> if you are so inclined
May 10 20:10:33 <mranostay> _av500_: where is the font^H^H^H^Htypeface size option in IRC?
May 10 20:10:57 <_av500_> mranostay: right click, settings, advanced
May 10 20:12:47 <Crofton|work> anyone know what the current stock situation is for the Black?
May 10 20:13:15 <koen> Crofton|work: situation will improve, we had a production stop this week
May 10 20:13:15 <ZEROF> Hi, admins comes to chat ?
May 10 20:13:22 <Crofton|work> ok
May 10 20:13:23 <_av500_> 54
May 10 20:13:31 <_av500_> ZEROF: ???
May 10 20:13:41 <Crofton|work> any big diffs between the alpha one and the shipping one?
May 10 20:14:28 * Crofton|work beats koen 
May 10 20:14:37 <ka6sox> lack of PRUs on teh Alpha :(
May 10 20:14:48 <koen> which is alpha?
May 10 20:14:52 <koen> a1 or a4?
May 10 20:14:52 <ka6sox> a4
May 10 20:15:04 <ka6sox> (for me anyways)
May 10 20:15:11 <Crofton|work> A4
May 10 20:15:15 <Crofton|work> what's a PRU?
May 10 20:15:16 <_av500_> koen: is there an alpha upcycle program to apply for?
May 10 20:15:21 <Crofton|work> yeah, I am being dumb
May 10 20:15:32 <koen> _av500_: ask gerald
May 10 20:15:38 <ZEROF> av500 i need to speak with beagleboard admins, some contact mail or only google groups ?
May 10 20:15:45 <_av500_> Crofton|work: a PRU is like a USRP for morse code
May 10 20:15:52 <_av500_> ZEROF: about what?
May 10 20:15:56 <Crofton|work> ttsou wants to play with one and I am trying to figure out if it will be painful
May 10 20:16:37 <ttsou> Special Computing is the only supplier showing stock
May 10 20:17:06 <_av500_> ha ttsou
May 10 20:17:07 <ttsou> I'm wondering if I should believe them
May 10 20:17:40 <ttsou> or borrow one from Crofton|work
May 10 20:17:51 <koen> ttsou: give bill a call and find out
May 10 20:18:03 <ka6sox> Crofton|work, the PRU is Awesome Sauce
May 10 20:18:40 <mranostay> PRU can solve cancer and male pattern baldness
May 10 20:18:48 <mranostay> panto: there is hope
May 10 20:19:08 * koen perks up
May 10 20:19:09 <jmoyerman> PRU looks good, Going to have to couple mine with a FPGA to do a lot of heavy lifting though.
May 10 20:19:50 <ka6sox> jmoyerman, try GPMC first
May 10 20:19:55 <mranostay> koen: you should start wearing a beanie :P
May 10 20:19:56 <ka6sox> less stages
May 10 20:21:11 <ZEROF> av500 i come from one Linux community and we want to try our distro with beagle, asking for sponsor
May 10 20:21:22 <_av500_> which distro?
May 10 20:21:46 <bradfa> didn't the admin say gsoc participants will get BBB in the mail?
May 10 20:21:48 <ttsou> koen: I just got "this is my google voice account"... would that be bill?
May 10 20:21:56 <Crofton|work> you guys still haven't answered the question
May 10 20:22:00 <_av500_> which one?
May 10 20:22:08 <Crofton|work> will an A4 be sane with builds for the releaseed versoin
May 10 20:22:13 <koen> ttsou: I think so
May 10 20:22:16 <_av500_> yes
May 10 20:22:18 <_av500_> but no PRU
May 10 20:22:21 <_av500_> and no SGX
May 10 20:22:27 <_av500_> due to a CPU fuckup at TI
May 10 20:22:28 <bradfa> and no pmic header
May 10 20:22:37 <_av500_> and no NAND
May 10 20:22:46 <bradfa> emmc has nand insides
May 10 20:22:49 <_av500_> just to enrage ds2
May 10 20:24:14 <mdp> and no mali
May 10 20:24:19 <mdp> no a15
May 10 20:25:04 <bradfa> mdp, and no mainline?
May 10 20:25:32 <_av500_> no DSP
May 10 20:25:45 <mdp> ein bisschen mainline
May 10 20:25:51 <bradfa> and no bitcoin
May 10 20:25:56 <mdp> what's there ought to be enough for anybody
May 10 20:26:00 <mdp> 639k
May 10 20:26:03 <_av500_> ZEROF: is is secret distro?
May 10 20:26:18 <Crofton|work> heh
May 10 20:26:32 <ZEROF> No, backbox linux
May 10 20:26:55 <ZEROF> :)
May 10 20:27:02 <mdp> koen says it haz pdsp
May 10 20:27:19 <Crofton|work> all we care about is booting and usb
May 10 20:27:33 <mdp> usb dma?
May 10 20:27:37 <bradfa> Crofton|work, musb is awesome
May 10 20:28:11 * bradfa signs off
May 10 20:28:11 <mdp> there was a guy the other day that hooked up 5 uvc cameras I think
May 10 20:28:17 <mdp> super effective
May 10 20:31:27 <[1]segfault> anyone know how hard it would be to get PoE working on a beaglebone?
May 10 20:31:56 <[1]segfault> I want to repurpose it as a hidden security device
May 10 20:32:06 <[1]segfault> be able to drop one in an office for penetration testing etc etc
May 10 20:32:22 <[1]segfault> hide it, attach a battery to it or use PoE, or something
May 10 20:33:40 <didof3> [1]segfault: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Over-Ethernet-Passive-POE-Injector-Splitter-For-All-Devices-Free-Shipping-/171037197657?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27d29c8559
May 10 20:35:36 <gustavoz> didof3: it doesn't look that it'll regulate voltage at all, plug in a BBB and it's probably fried
May 10 20:36:36 <ZEROF> av500 any idea to help us ?
May 10 20:36:46 <_av500_> with what?
May 10 20:36:53 <_av500_> you want a free board?
May 10 20:37:31 <woglinde> freebeer
May 10 20:38:19 <didof3> gustavoz: for $2 its a good start ... just a poe injector
May 10 20:38:40 <gustavoz> didof3: yeah, a couple of connectors and a cable... official PoE which is what he wants is circa 24 volts
May 10 20:38:51 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> PoE is 48V yo.
May 10 20:39:18 <gustavoz> PRU_EVTOUT_2: my bad, but yeah, far more than 5v :)
May 10 20:39:20 <Spirilis> real PoE is 48V, those PoE injector thingamajigs take whatever you put into them, so you can connect a 5V AC-DC adapter at the source end
May 10 20:39:39 <gustavoz> problem with those is that you need access to the rack, which i take it is NOT what he wants
May 10 20:39:42 <Spirilis> ....but having a 48V-5V DC-DC converter is probably the more elegant option. :)
May 10 20:39:48 <gustavoz> cisco poes5 FTW
May 10 20:39:56 <gustavoz> those aren't too expensive and it's what he wants
May 10 20:40:12 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> there are a million cheap poe chips out there now.
May 10 20:40:36 <gustavoz> problem with modifying the board is if the magnetics export the required pins
May 10 20:41:02 <ZEROF> av500 yes for testing
May 10 20:41:41 <ZEROF> av500 with beagle support we can even build one small pc for pentesters
May 10 20:42:12 <woglinde> av500 sell them all your boards
May 10 20:44:02 <ZEROF> We need only one machine for testing, and we add beagleboard to our sponsors list, we have a lot users
May 10 20:44:49 <_av500_> write an email to jkridner I guess
May 10 20:45:55 <ZEROF> Can you provide me his mail (pm) ?
May 10 20:45:59 <josh> PoE has a whole initiation and negotiation protocol
May 10 20:46:51 <josh> Since gigabit adapters use all 8 pairs, that protocol is important to keep it from putting 48v into your laptop melting the isolation coil.
May 10 20:46:58 <psw> which modem could I use for making gsm voice call with beagleboard xm?
May 10 20:47:04 <gustavoz> hence cisco poes5
May 10 20:47:16 <gustavoz> or similar from another manufacturer
May 10 20:47:17 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> josh: the protocol isn't complicated
May 10 20:47:23 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and using 8 pairs or not doesn't matter.
May 10 20:47:32 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you send the data over the same pairs as power
May 10 20:47:51 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> data goes differential, power goes common mode (center tap fed)
May 10 20:47:54 <josh> PRU_EVTOUT_2: Early PoE used the 2 pairs that 100mbit ethernet didn't use.
May 10 20:48:01 <josh> That's the only reason I mentioned that
May 10 20:48:03 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> josh: yeah, but it doesn't matter.
May 10 20:48:27 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you can use pair a or b
May 10 20:48:30 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and either polarity
May 10 20:48:31 <josh> Yes, but that wasn't the case with early PoE
May 10 20:48:40 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> but, it doesn't matter what the case was.
May 10 20:48:48 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you can use a or be
May 10 20:49:01 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> if it's the old cisco protocol you're talking about
May 10 20:49:01 <josh> Yeah, inconsequential historical background I suppose
May 10 20:49:15 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> the negotiation is compliant with that
May 10 20:49:22 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> there are "dumb" injectors that just inject whatever
May 10 20:49:30 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> but, the negotiation handles those too.
May 10 20:49:34 <gustavoz> most of the time you'd want mode B (separate pairs)
May 10 20:50:01 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> mode a or b, they're separate pairs..it's just which pairs.
May 10 20:50:14 <gustavoz> nope, on 10/100 mode b they're separate, but not for 1000
May 10 20:50:22 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> the power is injected on separate pairs.
May 10 20:50:25 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> always.
May 10 20:50:35 <gustavoz> yes, but i mean unused cables
May 10 20:50:37 <gustavoz> *wires
May 10 20:50:48 <gustavoz> otherwise the magnetics must be aware
May 10 20:51:06 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> if the magnetics are isolated, like they all should be, there's no awareness required.
May 10 20:51:18 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you just inject and pull the power from the center tap
May 10 20:51:18 <gustavoz> big IF there :)
May 10 20:51:30 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> since it's common mode, the power doesn't influence the differential data signals.
May 10 20:51:44 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> true, if you don't have isolation, you're most likely boned anyways.
May 10 20:52:13 <gustavoz> for a one-off he's probably better with one of the cisco doodles, they're cheap
May 10 20:52:24 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> with the huge potential of fire, and the insane potential of ground differences causes things to burn out.
May 10 20:53:17 <gustavoz> (or some other no-brand of course for an even cheaper solution)
May 10 20:56:14 <gustavoz> the documentation for the lpj0011bbnl is pretty thin, and the manufacturer doesn't mention "isolation" (or any related terms) on their website, i'd be wary :)
May 10 21:10:31 <samch> hello
May 10 21:10:35 <samch> who are you?
May 10 21:11:06 <samch> i upgrade my beaglebone black with 05.08.2013 version
May 10 21:11:18 <_av500_> good
May 10 21:11:21 <samch> what is the resolver fix  in this version?
May 10 21:11:41 <samch> fix of dma :( ?
May 10 21:12:04 <samch> what does fix are resolver with this version?
May 10 21:19:51 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> gustavoz: isolation is the purpose of the magnetics.
May 10 21:33:33 <ajstarks> are OpenVG libraries shipped with the standard Angstom distro?
May 10 21:42:12 <plugwash_> i've just installed debian on my beaglebone black following the instructions on the elinux wiki and then doing a bit of jiggery pokery to move the install to the internal flash
May 10 21:42:43 <plugwash_> it boots ok but when I try to load any modules I get "libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.8.12-bone17/modules.dep.bin'"
May 10 21:50:20 <jmg123> Is the beaglebone black supported by Code Composer Studio?
May 10 21:59:33 <plugwash_> the answer is I had to run depmod
May 10 22:04:52 <ajstarks> is the X server HW accelerate with the default build?
May 10 22:15:18 <ds2> now that I think of it...some versions of Ubuntu have a f'ed sh
May 10 22:15:28 <ds2> they used dash instead of bash or some other disaster like that
May 10 22:23:45 <dgood`> Hey all!
May 10 22:24:58 <dgood`> Does anyone know if the Angstrom build process with MACHINE=beaglebone produces a useable BBB image?  If not, what MACHINE name will?
May 10 22:25:15 <plugwash> ds2 both debian and ubuntu use dash as /bin/sh by default nowadays
May 10 22:26:06 <philwong1010> Hello!!
May 10 22:26:43 <philwong1010> this is Phil from New York City
May 10 22:26:58 <philwong1010> and I am unable to find a reseller that stocks the Beagleboard Black
May 10 22:27:21 <dgood`> I got mine from Mouser.com.
May 10 22:27:35 <philwong1010> so a question for the current owners: did you buy yours from an overseas dealer, or some obscure place that's not published?
May 10 22:27:46 <ds2> plugwash: that breaks stuff, IIRC
May 10 22:28:16 <plugwash> Yeah it breaks stuff that assumes /bin/sh is bash
May 10 22:28:25 <dgood`> Mouser shipped me two of them this Thurs with the order placed last Fri.
May 10 22:28:28 <plugwash> which was always a bad assumption to make if you wanted your script to be portable
May 10 22:29:03 <philwong1010> Ok then I will just buy from Mouser and wait until ti's shipped
May 10 22:30:15 <philwong1010> one more thing: do you guys put the Beagleboard Black (BBB) inside some protective casing?
May 10 22:30:59 <philwong1010> My house has carpets, and I fear that static might ruin the unit upon contact.
May 10 22:31:13 <ds2> philwong1010: just order it. if you are waiting for it to be sitting in inventory, you'll be waiting a long long long time
May 10 22:36:15 <dgood`> philwong1010: I run my naked right now, but this looks interesting: http://www.adafruit.com/products/702
May 10 22:37:42 <ds2> 3D print a case
May 10 22:38:13 <ajstarks> i got my BBB from DigiKey
May 10 22:38:13 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pfft...it was made to fit in an altoids.
May 10 22:38:31 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so just go buy some mints! :D
May 10 22:38:35 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> tasty and protective.
May 10 22:39:25 <dgood`> Does anyone use a Win pc for C development, or does everyone use linux.
May 10 22:39:55 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i share my code on a network drive, edit in windows, compile on the beaglebone. :)
May 10 22:40:13 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> nice thing is, none of the code is actually on the beaglebone, so i can just sway it out if i break something.
May 10 22:40:21 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> sway=swap
May 10 22:41:10 <ajstarks> currently connected to Mac, using a external drive via USB
May 10 22:41:12 <philwong1010> <dgoog`> Awesome, the URL has exactly what I'm looking for !!
May 10 22:42:18 <dgood`> philwong1010: Glad to help!
May 10 22:43:09 <dgood`> PRU_EVTOUT_2: Interesting idea...  I'll experiment with that.
May 10 22:43:56 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> dgood`: there are some remote compile setups out there too.
May 10 22:44:02 <dgood`> Right now, I use a Debian VM, but the USB serial gadget for the original BB was kind of a pain.  I could never get to a u-boot prompt.
May 10 22:44:25 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i think eclipse or netbeans supports it. you can have it run the compile over ssh or something.
May 10 22:44:38 <dgood`> With the BBB, the hardware console removes that particular problem.
May 10 22:46:13 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah, i was talking to someone a few days ago, and they said they gave up on the original bb because of usb and linux support. didn't realize it was such a pain.
May 10 22:46:50 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and, it wasn't him. he's a super linux dude.
May 10 22:47:03 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> like, with published books!
May 10 22:48:02 <dgood`> Well, I have a dedicate Arch machine at home and that works great.  It's only with the VM that there is a bit of a problem, because the Virtual USB ports keep disappearing and reappearing.
May 10 22:48:40 <dgood`> Virtualbox is great, but with hardware development, it shows its rough edges.
May 10 22:49:39 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i still have trouble believing it's free.
May 10 22:50:55 <dgood`> VirtualBox?
May 10 22:51:20 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah.
May 10 22:52:31 <dgood`> philwong1010: Be sure that you notice that the case I linked to earlier doesn't come with the breadboard pictured.  It's sold seprately.
May 10 22:54:29 <dgood`> PRU_EVTOUT_2: Yeah, VirtualBox is pretty great, even though it's Oracle.
May 10 22:54:36 <dgood`> I take your meaning.
May 10 22:55:07 <dgood`> It's semi-free, if you consider the add-ons
May 10 22:56:47 <dgood`> Got to run.  Be nice chatting!
May 10 22:57:40 <Moult_> if i have an LED connected to GND and GPIO1_6 (P8, no 3), shouldn't b.pinMode('P8_3', 'out'); b.digitalWrite('P8_3', 0); turn it off? any ideas why it doesn't?
May 10 22:58:39 <ds2> running LEDs directly off a GPIO?
May 10 22:58:54 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> isn't "P8_3" supposed to be something besides as tring
May 10 22:58:57 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> like bone.P8_3
May 10 22:59:12 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> http://www.gigamegablog.com/2012/01/05/beaglebone-coding-101-blinking-an-led/
May 10 22:59:51 <Moult_> ds2: well, it's on a breadboard
May 10 23:00:11 <ds2> Moult_: usually people buffer it due to limited drive capability.
May 10 23:00:30 <Moult_> ds2: sorry, can explain?
May 10 23:00:58 <ds2> Moult_: the pins from the SoC ("processor") has limited ability to source current and limited ability to dissipiate heat
May 10 23:01:14 <ds2> an LED directly off the port can exceed that capability
May 10 23:01:32 <ds2> so people generally put in a single transistor driver or some other kind of buffer to increase the drive capability
May 10 23:02:10 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> (or use a resistor to limit the current so it doesn't exceed the drive, and just have a dim led).
May 10 23:09:37 <waltermixxx> howdy
May 10 23:13:20 <Moult_> PRU_EVTOUT_2: hmm a lot of the code on that blog seems outdated
May 10 23:18:34 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Moult_: Ok. I have no knowledge of node.js stuff.
May 10 23:23:10 <mranostay> hi again
May 10 23:23:47 <ds2> PDX beer not good enough?
May 10 23:24:57 <mranostay> ds2: what does that have to do with anything?
May 10 23:25:08 <Moult_> PRU_EVTOUT_2: urgh, it could be just cloud9 ide being flaky
May 10 23:25:10 <Moult_> PRU_EVTOUT_2: what would you say is the recommended language to program it in?
May 10 23:25:23 <ds2> mranostay: thought you might be more bored then usual
May 10 23:25:56 <mru> mranostay: TROLL!
May 10 23:26:02 <mranostay> no doing all the little annoying things you have to do when moving
May 10 23:26:17 <mranostay> license and car registration is next
May 10 23:26:28 <mru> cars are overrated
May 10 23:26:50 <mranostay> well yes you in a country with a real metro
May 10 23:27:02 <mru> no metro in my city
May 10 23:27:06 <mru> too small for that
May 10 23:27:10 <mranostay> although i could honestly get rid of it in Portland
May 10 23:27:56 <ds2> PDX does have that train thingie
May 10 23:27:56 <plugwash> you can live without a car but doing so takes away a lot of options
May 10 23:28:30 <plugwash> some places that are just a short drive away take ages to get to by public transport, even in places where public transport is pretty good
May 10 23:28:38 <plugwash> (manchester conurbation here)
May 10 23:29:07 <mranostay> ds2: yes i will try that out for work
May 10 23:29:23 <ds2> mranostay: you living in the 'free zone'?
May 10 23:29:33 <mranostay> free zone?
May 10 23:30:16 <ds2> around PSU and the train station, it is free
May 10 23:30:31 <mranostay> i live next  to the campus
May 10 23:30:45 <mranostay> like the one building is next door
May 10 23:30:54 <mru> plugwash: manchester as in the real one, in the uk?
May 10 23:30:55 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm doing mux with omap_mux...but it doesn't seem to be setting the gpio output enable registers.
May 10 23:31:13 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> err.
May 10 23:31:18 <plugwash> yep
May 10 23:31:47 <ds2> whoa... parking must be $$$$$$$$$$$ there
May 10 23:31:54 <mranostay> ds2: $125 a month
May 10 23:31:59 <ds2> parking there for plumbers was like $25 a day :(
May 10 23:32:03 * mru is in southampton
May 10 23:32:21 <plugwash> dunno, I don't drive myself and even if I did I wouldn't drive into the city center
May 10 23:32:36 <mranostay> ds2: yeah if you don't have a monthly pass it will cost you a lot
May 10 23:33:14 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hrmm, i thought muxing took care of gpio config too.
May 10 23:33:26 <plugwash> public transport to/from the city center is fine (a 20 minuite train ride from where I am), the problem is when I want to go somewhere other than the city center
May 10 23:33:42 <ds2> PRU_EVTOUT_2: Mux and GPIO are 2 ortogonal things
May 10 23:33:50 * mru lives in the city centre
May 10 23:34:10 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah, makes sense, just didn't realize it.
May 10 23:34:17 * mru also spells centre properly :)
May 10 23:34:18 <ds2> PRU_EVTOUT_2: mux is like opening your window blinds whereas GPIO is like turn on your lights. you need to do both so you can see the light from the outside
May 10 23:34:36 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hahah, nice.
May 10 23:34:38 <ds2> mru: and what is the colour of that city centER? ;)
May 10 23:35:00 <mru> ds2: teal and orange
May 10 23:35:17 <ds2> mru: is that the place where people get up on the soap box?
May 10 23:35:30 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ds2: so does the newer device tree stuff handle muxing and gpio?
May 10 23:35:46 <mru> ds2: no, that's speaker's corner in hyde park, london
May 10 23:35:53 <mru> quite an amusing place
May 10 23:35:54 * plugwash has picked up the bad habbit of spelling words like colour and centre the american way, probablly from doing gui programming, and writing documents in markup languages.
May 10 23:36:01 <ds2> PRU_EVTOUT_2: it is still 2 things, IIRC
May 10 23:36:30 <mru> habit is not spelt like hobbit
May 10 23:36:57 * plugwash is planning to see what the manchester raspberry jam guys think of it's new rival the new beaglebone black tomorrow
May 10 23:37:10 <plugwash> (well technically today)
May 10 23:37:22 <mru> may the pru be with you
May 10 23:38:00 <ds2> if that is a rival, then so are basic stamps
May 10 23:38:39 <mru> ds2: stamps like the penny black
May 10 23:39:44 <Moult_> how do most people develop on the beaglebone? do they use the cloud9 ide + bonescript? or do they run python scripts? or do they compile via another language?
May 10 23:40:43 <ds2> mru: and how many other people here get that reference?
May 10 23:41:09 <mru> any other fake brits, I suppose
May 10 23:41:40 * plugwash has only just got his beaglebone black but my usual approach on such systems is to put debian on them and then program on the device itself using the standard linux tools
May 10 23:42:08 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Moult_: i think it depends on what you're doing. if you can do everything at the speed you want with the language you want, the that's the language you use. :)
May 10 23:42:09 <plugwash> when not building on something existing I do like pascal
May 10 23:44:03 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Moult_: I'm using  asm, c, c++,  and python, each because i have no choice.
May 10 23:44:15 <mru> there is always a choice
May 10 23:44:21 <mru> or the illusion of one
May 10 23:44:46 <mranostay> win 1
May 10 23:44:48 <Moult_> ah ok. i'd probably be using python as it'll be easier to integrate with another set of python script i need to work with.
May 10 23:44:51 <mranostay> grrr
May 10 23:45:07 <Moult_> does anybody know if there is a library that makes it easier to work with python rather than manually writing to the /sys/class/ files?
May 10 23:46:07 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Moult_: https://github.com/alexanderhiam/PyBBIO to do it for you.
May 10 23:46:26 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Moult_: but, at some level, you'll be accessing either /sys/class or raw registers.
May 10 23:47:05 <Moult_> PRU_EVTOUT_2: yes, and some level i shall be, but it would be nice to work with a library that abstracts it
May 10 23:51:48 <mranostay> blech the sheriff building is on the other side of the city..
May 10 23:52:07 <mru> isn't that a good thing?
May 10 23:52:30 <mranostay> not if i'll need to pop over there to apply for a certain permit :P
May 10 23:53:50 <mranostay> but generally yes
May 10 23:54:12 <Russ> mranostay, good job on not having mayo
May 10 23:54:22 <mranostay> d'oh
May 10 23:54:25 <mru> gives you more time to get away, generally
May 10 23:55:21 <mranostay> mru: however city hall is almost next door.. enough cops there
May 10 23:56:19 <ds2> mranostay: just pee on a car or two and you can get a free lift there ;)
May 10 23:58:07 <mranostay> btw there is a chruch of scientlogy nearby as wel
May 10 23:58:09 <mranostay> *well
May 11 00:00:20 <mru> mranostay: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0137523/quotes?item=qt0479246
May 11 00:02:04 <mranostay> mru: you know i was thinking that
May 11 00:02:17 <mranostay> ironic since that is one my favorite movies/books
May 11 00:02:46 <mru> I think of that line whenever I venture into the kitchen
May 11 00:07:25 <mranostay> mru: few good lines from fight club
May 11 00:18:48 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> why aren't there debounce settings in exported gpio pins?
May 11 00:50:46 <SilicaGel> Akuma: what does your nickname mean?
May 11 00:51:15 * mranostay doesn't eat SilicaGel 
May 11 00:51:51 <SilicaGel> GOOD, it's about time I got some respect around here!
May 11 00:52:24 * SilicaGel irrigates mranostay
May 11 00:52:54 * _troll_ eats SilicaGel 
May 11 00:53:01 <SilicaGel> DO NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 11 00:53:06 <_troll_> mmmmm, crunchy...
May 11 01:07:27 <mrpackethead> boo.
May 11 01:08:10 <mranostay> kiwi dude
May 11 01:08:47 <m_billybob> moo
May 11 01:09:44 <mrpackethead> ka6sox: you here?
May 11 01:17:41 <mranostay> Guest46296: !
May 11 01:33:21 <ds2> and I am out of popcorn...
May 11 01:40:55 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, yes, I'm here(now)
May 11 01:44:20 <SilicaGel> What the crap
May 11 01:44:36 <ka6sox> he he
May 11 01:45:09 <SilicaGel> i went into the #dart channel (about dart the language) and called them dartheads
May 11 01:45:15 <ka6sox> ouch
May 11 01:45:16 <SilicaGel> they didn't like it and insist they be referred to as dartisans
May 11 01:45:21 <ka6sox> SilicaGel, http://elinux.org/Ti_AM33XX_PRUSSv2#Beaglebone_PRU_connections_and_modes
May 11 01:45:27 <SilicaGel> problem is, darthead now stuck in my head
May 11 01:45:53 <SilicaGel> very nice
May 11 01:46:31 <SilicaGel> i wish iw asn't so rusty though or i would help
May 11 01:46:48 <SilicaGel> There's stuff to be documented about how to access main memory through the ... uh ... L2 is it ... L2 interconnect
May 11 01:46:54 <SilicaGel> and exaxctly HOW to do that
May 11 01:47:05 <ka6sox> I"m just glad my son knows the JS stuff as I don't
May 11 01:47:07 <SilicaGel> and exactly how/where that separate and shared memory can be accessed from the main cpu
May 11 01:47:24 <ka6sox> working on a tool to create the DT address/mode pairs.
May 11 01:47:30 <SilicaGel> cool
May 11 01:47:39 <SilicaGel> if you know anybody who wants to help me with prude (my debugger)
May 11 01:47:55 <SilicaGel> I really would like to kick that into gear but i'm afraid without a partner I tend to lose motivation
May 11 01:48:33 <ds2> just write bug free code
May 11 01:48:41 <ka6sox> the best thing would be to put it on the ML and solicit people to help :)
May 11 01:49:20 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> SilicaGel: what language is prude in?
May 11 01:51:18 <SilicaGel> It's C++ and it uses ncurses
May 11 01:51:33 <SilicaGel> the intent was to have something that you could use by ssh (or serial port console if it's on an old bone)
May 11 01:53:20 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> SilicaGel: i'd help if you were using python and ncurses...but c++ seems unnecessarily tedious for something like this.
May 11 01:53:44 <SilicaGel> oh.
May 11 01:53:52 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> python, you could probably whip something up in a day or two.
May 11 01:55:03 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and, python supports mmap, so you'd even have direct access to pru memory.
May 11 01:55:24 <m_billybob> guess C++ isnt your strong suite ?
May 11 01:57:28 <m_billybob> is today maintanence day ? lol
May 11 01:57:36 <SilicaGel> i mapped to it, how did i do that now
May 11 01:58:59 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> m_billybob: no, it's just much easier to develop with python.
May 11 01:59:26 <SilicaGel> it is
May 11 01:59:29 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2 idk what yo uall are talking about doing, il take your word on it though
May 11 01:59:31 <SilicaGel> i just figured that there's a venn diagram
May 11 01:59:34 <SilicaGel> ]of systems that support python
May 11 01:59:43 <SilicaGel> and systems that support a native application
May 11 01:59:48 <SilicaGel> and the native application circle is bigger
May 11 02:00:09 <m_billybob> usually prefer native to interprited myself.
May 11 02:00:18 <m_billybob> my own taste though
May 11 02:00:19 <SilicaGel> don't get me wrong, though, i've got nothing against python
May 11 02:00:23 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> SilicaGel: true!
May 11 02:00:27 <m_billybob> me either
May 11 02:00:35 <SilicaGel> though I'm not fluent in it
May 11 02:00:41 <m_billybob> well i have one thing i dislike about python
May 11 02:00:47 <m_billybob> forced indention
May 11 02:00:48 <SilicaGel> all the damned spaces?
May 11 02:00:50 <SilicaGel> haha
May 11 02:00:52 <SilicaGel> hahahaha i knew it
May 11 02:01:00 <SilicaGel> I've come to terms with that but it pissed me off at first too
May 11 02:01:17 <m_billybob> like PRU was saying the other nigth though
May 11 02:01:19 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pfft...use tabs and it's not as bad :P
May 11 02:01:29 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> wtf is up with all the quit/join.
May 11 02:01:31 <m_billybob> what *if* you comment out a line thats indented ?
May 11 02:01:40 <SilicaGel> then you might hose yourself
May 11 02:01:49 <m_billybob> PRU seems like services is having issues for one reason or another
May 11 02:02:13 <SilicaGel> the one area i definitely need help is the disassembler
May 11 02:02:27 <SilicaGel> the last time i looked at this, the information on instruction encoding was not available AT ALL
May 11 02:02:35 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> disassembler!? you found something to besides asm!?
May 11 02:02:41 <m_billybob> what are you making ? i kind of walked in when PRU said he'd help is using pyton
May 11 02:02:56 <m_billybob> if you used python*
May 11 02:03:03 <SilicaGel> What I was working on was a little ncurses debugger for the pru
May 11 02:03:10 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> SilicaGel: pasm generates list files with pc counter and line numbers of asm.
May 11 02:03:18 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> just force them to use that option :)
May 11 02:03:21 <SilicaGel> something that lets you set breakpoints, see registers and memory, load little programs to try
May 11 02:03:39 <m_billybob> really? nrrto
May 11 02:03:45 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> then you could have line stepping, and the works.
May 11 02:03:46 <m_billybob> neeto too
May 11 02:03:48 <SilicaGel> yeah, i could demand listing files, you're right
May 11 02:03:58 <SilicaGel> when if irst started playing around with the pru it was maddening
May 11 02:04:04 <m_billybob> going to write a compiler next ? ;)
May 11 02:04:06 <SilicaGel> but the assembly language is so simple and beautiful
May 11 02:04:08 <m_billybob> wink wink
May 11 02:04:11 <SilicaGel> haha no
May 11 02:04:40 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> not much point in anything but asm for them.
May 11 02:04:46 <m_billybob> shucks
May 11 02:05:00 <m_billybob> PRU, yeah but what fubn is there in that ?
May 11 02:05:26 <SilicaGel> yeah and C without a stack sounds pretty terrible
May 11 02:05:55 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> there's 30 registers, and memory access is only 2 ticks.
May 11 02:06:04 <m_billybob> hell with C want C++ for allthe C++ lovers in here ;)
May 11 02:06:25 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> those dirty hippies.
May 11 02:06:30 <Spirilis> lol yeah you can go truly insane with C++ on a linux board
May 11 02:06:33 <SilicaGel> i did a bunch of C on PICs
May 11 02:06:37 <SilicaGel> and that has no real stack either
May 11 02:06:38 <SilicaGel> and it sucked
May 11 02:06:57 <Spirilis> or you could be a truly dirty hippy like me and write C + GLib
May 11 02:07:04 <m_billybob> lol
May 11 02:07:10 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> your dreadlocks must be 10 feet long.
May 11 02:07:14 <SilicaGel> i don't think that makes you a hippy
May 11 02:07:14 <Spirilis> it's like the fat bearded unix guy slathered in caramel or something
May 11 02:07:18 <m_billybob> bull Spirilis, you just look at it and it programs its self :P
May 11 02:07:45 <SilicaGel> i mean really
May 11 02:07:49 <SilicaGel> isn't python the hippy language?
May 11 02:07:50 <m_billybob> hmm ddos ?
May 11 02:07:53 <Spirilis> eh, I think folks have accused me of that before
May 11 02:08:07 <Spirilis> one lady I used to know said she suspected I somehow "talk" to the machines
May 11 02:08:14 <m_billybob> lol
May 11 02:08:15 <Spirilis> she was a kook to say the least
May 11 02:08:20 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> it's true though.
May 11 02:08:24 <Spirilis> but she felt on some intuitive level it was true
May 11 02:08:24 <SilicaGel> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=computer%20hippy
May 11 02:08:34 <SilicaGel> that seems to suggest the main criteria is that you are an apple user.
May 11 02:08:37 <Spirilis> and I guess it is, you learn a language and talk to the computer ;)
May 11 02:08:38 <SilicaGel> I wholeheartedly agree!
May 11 02:08:40 <SilicaGel> dirty filthy mac users
May 11 02:08:44 <m_billybob> Spirilis, well in a way it is true
May 11 02:08:46 <Spirilis> well I do use a macbook pro
May 11 02:08:50 <m_billybob> some more so than others
May 11 02:09:11 <Spirilis> but right now it's an HP mini windows 7 netbook :P
May 11 02:09:28 <m_billybob> how is it?
May 11 02:09:45 <SilicaGel> i need to do something with two PRUs that work together
May 11 02:09:48 <SilicaGel> to do something ridiculous
May 11 02:09:50 <m_billybob> slow id image
May 11 02:10:08 <Spirilis> I think a first experiment I should try with the PRU would be a WS2811 LED driver
May 11 02:10:14 <Spirilis> really simple, 1 I/O line needed
May 11 02:10:29 <SilicaGel> is that an RGB led controller with an SPI interface?
May 11 02:10:39 <m_billybob> SilicaGel, um high res PWM, have one handle duty cycle, while the other handles frequency or something :P
May 11 02:10:45 <Spirilis> yeah except it's not SPI, it's some whacked-out one-wire built in clock type of interface
May 11 02:10:51 <Spirilis> requires somewhat strict timing
May 11 02:10:55 <SilicaGel> oh yeah that'd be a fun project
May 11 02:10:57 <SilicaGel> oh crap
May 11 02:10:59 <SilicaGel> you know what??
May 11 02:11:09 <SilicaGel> I have four strings of those GE Color Effects LED christmas lights
May 11 02:11:13 <SilicaGel> I should do something wiht THOSE !
May 11 02:11:15 <Spirilis> yeah
May 11 02:11:20 <SilicaGel> Those have a similar interface
May 11 02:11:30 <Spirilis> there is reliable MSP430 ASM code for driving WS2811 with 16MHz MCLK
May 11 02:11:35 <SilicaGel> some whacked out variable pulse width protocol they came up with while they were smoking peyote in the desert
May 11 02:11:38 <Spirilis> 43oh user oPossum5150 wrote it
May 11 02:11:41 <chupa> what should bs= when dd ing my angstrom image?
May 11 02:11:53 <SilicaGel> why does it matter, why not bs=1M
May 11 02:12:00 <SilicaGel> as long as you don't pick 1
May 11 02:12:00 <chupa> cool
May 11 02:12:12 <Spirilis> yeah with dd'ing an image, pick something 64KB or greater imo
May 11 02:12:12 <thurbad> default block size is very slow
May 11 02:12:23 <chupa> tks. thought it really didnt matter. must have a bad image.
May 11 02:12:36 <SilicaGel> what's it do?  nothing?
May 11 02:12:44 <thurbad> it defaults to 512B for me
May 11 02:12:54 <chupa> nice enough
May 11 02:12:59 <SilicaGel> Spirilis: do you have a surplus of rgb pixels?
May 11 02:13:08 <chupa> i usually leave it off for other uses
May 11 02:13:18 <Spirilis> SilicaGel: just bought a 4m reel of them last month for a specific project
May 11 02:13:25 <SilicaGel> how many are on that?
May 11 02:13:34 <Spirilis> got like 1ft of spare from a groupbuy late last year
May 11 02:13:39 <Spirilis> uhm, 60 LED/m strip...
May 11 02:13:45 <SilicaGel> sweet
May 11 02:13:46 <Spirilis> so 240 RGB pixels (they are bright as hell too)
May 11 02:13:52 <SilicaGel> Can you tell me what the project is?
May 11 02:14:00 <SilicaGel> now is this a string that they are all hooked together?
May 11 02:14:01 <Spirilis> Deer Park water jug lamp
May 11 02:14:04 <Spirilis> yeah
May 11 02:14:09 <SilicaGel> cool
May 11 02:14:14 <SilicaGel> that sounds neat
May 11 02:14:22 <Spirilis> premanufactured with pixels soldered with 0805 decoupling capacitors already onboard with some silicone sheath to waterproof it
May 11 02:14:41 <Spirilis> I made a 24-pixel water lamp, but it's not that bright
May 11 02:14:48 <m_billybob> Spirilis are there anythign similar to those LEDs, but perhaps more wattage and singles ?
May 11 02:15:11 <Spirilis> so I'm going to do several wrappings of the strip around the bottom and use a beefy 5V power supply to drive it and see if I can boost that up quite a bit
May 11 02:15:25 <Spirilis> m_billybob: hmm, wouldn't really know.  5050 form factor is pretty decent size for an LED
May 11 02:15:39 <Spirilis> I'm sure Cree or one of the other companies have badass high powered ones
May 11 02:15:47 <m_billybob> Spirilis was considering using RGB LEDs for lighting
May 11 02:15:57 <SilicaGel> this. is. making. me. nuts.
May 11 02:16:00 <m_billybob> tired of white or blue leds
May 11 02:16:07 <Spirilis> m_billybob: I think these WS2811's might be worth playing with for that.
May 11 02:16:08 <m_billybob> want somethign that gives a good warm color
May 11 02:16:16 <Spirilis> yeah
May 11 02:16:18 <Spirilis> one thing I noticed
May 11 02:16:23 <Spirilis> the blue LED component is ridiculously bright
May 11 02:16:30 <m_billybob> ?
May 11 02:16:34 <Spirilis> in fact, I always bit-shift the blue value 1 to the right when composing the RGB value
May 11 02:16:41 <Spirilis> so it goes from 0 to 127 instead of 0 to 255
May 11 02:16:45 <SilicaGel> http://www.amazon.com/Color-Effects-Changing-Remote-Control/dp/B004A354B8  that's what I have but I got them for 50 clams each
May 11 02:16:59 <Spirilis> that tends to produce more accurate color temperatures, otherwise the colors look too blue-d out
May 11 02:17:03 <Spirilis> like a bluish white
May 11 02:17:07 <SilicaGel> what if it's your eyes
May 11 02:17:10 <SilicaGel> do you take viagra?
May 11 02:17:10 <Spirilis> or awfully bluish looking cyan
May 11 02:17:11 <m_billybob> ah
May 11 02:17:29 <m_billybob> Spirilis, do you have or plan on doing a lbog on this stuff ? lol
May 11 02:17:35 <SilicaGel> do you want to know my secret plan Spirilis
May 11 02:17:37 <SilicaGel> i will tell you
May 11 02:17:38 <Spirilis> lbog?
May 11 02:17:52 <m_billybob> sorry half eating half typing here
May 11 02:17:53 <m_billybob> blog
May 11 02:17:59 <Spirilis> SilicaGel: nope my wife agrees I don't need viagra :)
May 11 02:18:08 <SilicaGel> i want to hook those led strings up to xbee radios
May 11 02:18:13 <Spirilis> m_billybob: oh, I'll populate my project thread on 43oh with more info
May 11 02:18:15 <SilicaGel> and do a neighborhood-wide synchronized christmas display
May 11 02:18:35 <SilicaGel> we have two conference rooms at work that are orange glass all the way around.  After you're in there for about 1/2 hour, when you come out everything looks blue
May 11 02:18:38 <Spirilis> SilicaGel: haha nice, did you know Philips has a hipster super-expensive custom color RGB bulb that's only sold in Apple stores?
May 11 02:18:47 <Spirilis> SilicaGel: it's based on Xbee 802.15.4 protocol
May 11 02:18:52 <SilicaGel> oh really?
May 11 02:19:00 <m_billybob> bah xbee
May 11 02:19:02 <SilicaGel> why is it only sold in apple stores
May 11 02:19:04 <SilicaGel> I can't go in there!
May 11 02:19:07 <SilicaGel> xbees are great man
May 11 02:19:08 <Spirilis> yeah was rather surprised, it has a "base station" with internet access that lets you configure it from your PC or phone
May 11 02:19:16 <m_billybob> lol
May 11 02:19:20 <SilicaGel> you know what's really neat?
May 11 02:19:23 <m_billybob> we could make one othose
May 11 02:19:27 <Spirilis> and then those go change the color of the various $150 bulbs in your house
May 11 02:19:32 <SilicaGel> the xbee programmable has an sc08 microcontroller on it and the compiler is free
May 11 02:19:44 <SilicaGel> so you can write your own programs that run *on* the xbee radio
May 11 02:19:47 <Spirilis> anyway I am implementing a similar idea with my WS2811 LED strips, but using nRF24L01+ transceivers since they're dirt cheap
May 11 02:19:49 <Spirilis> and I do mean DIRT CHEAP.
May 11 02:19:51 <SilicaGel> and that version of the xbee radio only costs like $4 more
May 11 02:19:55 <m_billybob> oohmm
May 11 02:20:11 <m_billybob> Spirilis forgot to look up that link for that device]
May 11 02:21:05 <Spirilis> SilicaGel: my general stance has been, if you don't need the cool built-in mesh features, an MSP430 + nRF24L01+ ends up being a pretty cheap solution to control various things
May 11 02:21:10 <m_billybob> http://www.edn.com/electronics-products/edn-magazine--april-2013/4410524/Coin-sized-Arduino-compatible-computer-with-Bluetooth-LE-wirelessly-connects-to-smartphones--tablets
May 11 02:21:23 <m_billybob> funny how that says bluetooth though
May 11 02:21:31 <m_billybob> magazine article said wifi
May 11 02:21:41 <SilicaGel> yeah
May 11 02:21:51 <Spirilis> yeah "WiFi" has been coopted for generic purposes in some circles I've heard
May 11 02:21:54 <SilicaGel> i designed a radio using a pic and some cirrus i think 802.15.4 chip a while back
May 11 02:21:58 <SilicaGel> by a while i mean like 7 years ago
May 11 02:21:59 <Spirilis> mainly journalists who don't know what's going on
May 11 02:22:06 <m_billybob> that may not be it
May 11 02:22:19 <SilicaGel> at that time
May 11 02:22:31 <SilicaGel> the free 802.15.4 and zigbee lite stacks available were absolutely terrible
May 11 02:22:32 <SilicaGel> TERRIBLE
May 11 02:22:33 <m_billybob> well those idiots probably think because its 2.4ghz that its all the same
May 11 02:22:41 <m_billybob> which techically i guess it is in a way
May 11 02:22:42 <Spirilis> m_billybob: that is slick, I see what they're doing there.  Nordic has developed a Bluetooth Low Energy chipset without onboard MCU for adding BLE support to other projects
May 11 02:22:45 <SilicaGel> there's a paid stack that friggin rocks though
May 11 02:22:50 <SilicaGel> and that's what's in the xbees
May 11 02:23:05 <Spirilis> m_billybob: er nm, they are using nordic's BLE ARM SoC edition anyway.  cool idea
May 11 02:23:29 <m_billybob> Spirilis dont thin kthat is what i read about let me look aroudn a bit
May 11 02:24:08 <Spirilis> it is pretty cool but I wonder where the "arduino port" is for that.
May 11 02:24:15 <m_billybob> what i read about was a kick starter project
May 11 02:24:18 <Spirilis> since it's ARM
May 11 02:24:27 <Spirilis> m_billybob: that is it, read your link, it's a kickstarter
May 11 02:24:35 <Spirilis> m_billybob: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1608192864/rfduino-iphone-bluetooth-40-arduino-compatible-boa (link from that page)
May 11 02:25:00 <Spirilis> pretty neat, uses a PCB with plated-through half holes like the GPS modules use
May 11 02:25:59 <m_billybob> Spirilis seems kick starter is the way to make $$ now days
May 11 02:26:01 <m_billybob> 3,579
May 11 02:26:01 <m_billybob> Backers
May 11 02:26:01 <m_billybob> $352,700
May 11 02:26:01 <m_billybob> pledged of $5,000 goal
May 11 02:26:04 <m_billybob> err sorry
May 11 02:26:16 <Spirilis> yeah
May 11 02:26:37 <m_billybob> one of those projects you, or someone else on the 43oh forums posted was up to like 1.5 mil
May 11 02:26:46 <m_billybob> crazy.
May 11 02:26:55 <Spirilis> oh yeah the 3D printer
May 11 02:27:04 <SilicaGel> Hey, I just got a 3d printer!
May 11 02:27:05 <SilicaGel> at work!
May 11 02:27:38 <Spirilis> nice
May 11 02:27:44 <Spirilis> someday I may get the itch for one
May 11 02:27:50 <Spirilis> when I have a bigger house with a bigger workspace
May 11 02:28:10 <SilicaGel> it's a Stratasys
May 11 02:28:16 <m_billybob> that thing you did for the bbq would be a good one possibly or a variation of somethign like that
May 11 02:28:32 <m_billybob> Spirilis, guitar mods would probably net bux lol
May 11 02:29:07 <SilicaGel> http://www.stratasys.com/3d-printers/production-series/fortus-250mc
May 11 02:29:08 <SilicaGel> that one
May 11 02:29:13 <Spirilis> m_billybob: heh a coworker said he found a gadget slightly similar to mine, not really but same idea, for $15 at Target ..... it only transmitted to a pager you put on your belt clip though, not a LaunchPad connected to a computer.  but still, dang.
May 11 02:29:18 <Spirilis> hard to compete with those prices
May 11 02:29:32 <m_billybob> no kidding
May 11 02:29:36 <Spirilis> $15 doesn't even pay for the thermocouple + MAX31855 chip
May 11 02:29:53 <Spirilis> I gotta believe it doesn't use a thermocouple though, probably an RTD with low temperature tolerance
May 11 02:29:54 <m_billybob> depends we paid $8 each for ours or wulf did i think
May 11 02:30:11 <Spirilis> yeah but that's not for inserting into meat (long SS probe type) right?
May 11 02:30:12 <m_billybob> they're not cheap though
May 11 02:30:15 <SilicaGel> Do those only work with K type
May 11 02:30:33 <m_billybob> they have various types i think
May 11 02:30:35 <Spirilis> SilicaGel: MAX31855's exist for all types I think.  different ICs of course but they have a lineup of them
May 11 02:30:38 <m_billybob> K is the ones we've got
May 11 02:30:44 <Spirilis> yeah K is what I used
May 11 02:30:52 <Spirilis> search max31855 on mouser
May 11 02:31:08 <m_billybob> they're pretty coo lchips
May 11 02:31:35 <m_billybob> Spirilis, but yeah dont know, how could one use an on die MSP430 temperature sensor ?
May 11 02:31:40 <m_billybob> for that purpose lol
May 11 02:31:45 <Spirilis> lol yeah
May 11 02:31:53 <Spirilis> I'm guessing an RTD could do it with the MSP430's ADC
May 11 02:32:09 <Spirilis> though I'm not sure how RTDs work but I think they're more like variable resistors than a thermocouple
May 11 02:32:20 <m_billybob> i mean you can make a humidity sensor out of an ADC and a couple nails right ?
May 11 02:32:25 * m_billybob isnt exactly an EE
May 11 02:32:38 <Spirilis> yeah one of these days I need to toy with ADC projects some more
May 11 02:32:56 <Spirilis> a water level sensor for my wife's planters would be nice
May 11 02:32:56 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> nails??
May 11 02:33:09 <m_billybob> PRU testing moister level in soil
May 11 02:33:22 <m_billybob> so technically somethign else i guess
May 11 02:33:40 <SilicaGel> i have a sensor that tests soil salinity / conductivity
May 11 02:33:42 <Spirilis> they have some MCUs with analog frontends including programmable opamps
May 11 02:33:47 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> why would that tell you moisture?
May 11 02:33:55 <Spirilis> with one of those I'm guessing you wouldn't need MAX31855
May 11 02:34:00 <m_billybob> conductivity ?
May 11 02:34:05 <SilicaGel> conductivity!
May 11 02:34:14 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> water isn't conductive though.
May 11 02:34:23 <Spirilis> water mixed with soil minerals should be
May 11 02:34:24 <m_billybob> water with minerals in it is thugh
May 11 02:34:26 <SilicaGel> it's for measuring other things ...minerals
May 11 02:34:30 <SilicaGel> fertilizer principally
May 11 02:34:41 <m_billybob> but as i said im not exactly an EE
May 11 02:34:43 <SilicaGel> it's kind of a radio thing ... the probes that stick in the ground form a waveguide
May 11 02:35:01 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah, you'd have to assume some concentration of minerals.
May 11 02:35:06 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> can't imagine potting soil is consistent!
May 11 02:35:21 <Spirilis> it'd make a fun experiment to find out
May 11 02:35:35 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm guessing capacitance would work ok.
May 11 02:35:36 <Spirilis> and if you could get even a rough ballpark of accuracy out of it, might still be useful
May 11 02:35:40 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> better yet, use a humidity sensor! :D
May 11 02:35:45 <m_billybob> lol
May 11 02:35:49 <m_billybob> cost ?
May 11 02:36:14 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> like 50 centslast time i checked.
May 11 02:36:23 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> in quantity :)
May 11 02:36:34 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> they're pretty power hungry i think.
May 11 02:36:43 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2 when i worked building cell phone sites we use iron probes on some form of a "box" that pretty much could tell you all that sort of thing
May 11 02:36:45 <Spirilis> ah like gas sensors?
May 11 02:37:11 <m_billybob> mainly was used for testing ground
May 11 02:37:16 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> the kind i was looking at used a peltier to condensate water.
May 11 02:37:32 <Spirilis> haha
May 11 02:37:34 <Spirilis> that's fascinating
May 11 02:37:34 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hehe. probably not appropriate for a plant.
May 11 02:37:46 <Spirilis> determine wet bulb temperature by peltier
May 11 02:37:53 <m_billybob> lol
May 11 02:37:58 <m_billybob> or make it so ;)
May 11 02:38:02 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> well, wet bulb requires air movement doesn't it?
May 11 02:38:13 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i thikn this one had something like a glass window
May 11 02:38:21 <Spirilis> not sure
May 11 02:38:26 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so it would measure condensation by looking at change in reflection off the glass window or something.
May 11 02:38:34 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> frustrated internal reflection style.
May 11 02:38:48 <m_billybob> that is one thign I would love to experiment with. thermo electroic generators
May 11 02:39:21 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah, i was looking at the humidy sensor for a temperature/humidity controlled cheese cave.
May 11 02:39:29 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> got a cheese kit for christmas
May 11 02:39:46 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> need to maintain a certain humidity and temp for 11 friggin months for some of the cheeses.
May 11 02:40:15 <m_billybob> might be better off with a root cellar
May 11 02:40:28 <m_billybob> what temp does the cheese need to be at ?
May 11 02:40:30 <Spirilis> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature ... fascinating factoid I just learned:
May 11 02:40:34 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah. i doubt my apartment complex would appreciate an addition of a cellar.
May 11 02:40:38 <Spirilis> A sustained wet-bulb temperature exceeding 35 °C is likely to be fatal even to fit and healthy people, unclothed in the shade next to a fan; at this temperature we switch from cooling the skin (losing heat to the environment), to warming it.[7] As of 2010 wet-bulb temperatures only very rarely exceeded 30 °C anywhere.
May 11 02:40:41 <m_billybob> lol
May 11 02:40:43 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> like 56f i think.
May 11 02:40:45 <m_billybob> probably not
May 11 02:41:05 <Spirilis> 30C is 86F, 35C is 95F
May 11 02:41:18 <Spirilis> man some days in the summer it damned near gets to the upper 70's in dewpoint here
May 11 02:41:26 <Spirilis> torture days
May 11 02:41:30 <ka6sox> where is HERE?
May 11 02:41:31 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah, our cooling system kinda relies on evaporation.
May 11 02:41:34 <Spirilis> Maryland
May 11 02:41:42 <Spirilis> not even the worse of the US
May 11 02:41:50 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> what's your ocean like?
May 11 02:41:54 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm on the other side of the us.
May 11 02:42:06 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ours is full of wavy water.
May 11 02:42:08 <ka6sox> Surf's UP dude...
May 11 02:42:14 <m_billybob> cali eh ?
May 11 02:42:21 <Spirilis> atlantic is usually warm & nice, wavy but hot beaches
May 11 02:42:21 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> SiCal.
May 11 02:42:41 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> *tm
May 11 02:42:46 <Spirilis> I've only been to the PNW coast (Oregon) before, that was fascinating but cold
May 11 02:43:07 <Spirilis> I guess the east coast's beaches are more eroded, no cliffs until you go north into new england
May 11 02:43:09 <m_billybob> parts of ORE and WA state . . .dismal
May 11 02:43:24 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> oregon is cliffy, southish, not so much.
May 11 02:43:31 <Spirilis> ah
May 11 02:43:46 <Spirilis> in any case the atlantic is usually warmer thanks to the gulf stream I think... pacific typically colder
May 11 02:44:06 <ka6sox> where I am it goes from 0m to 1300m in <2kms
May 11 02:44:10 <Spirilis> my wife grew up in WA and OR so she was quite delighted to see Miami Beach for the first time
May 11 02:44:27 <m_billybob> Florida beaches are awesome
May 11 02:44:39 * m_billybob grew up in the N bay area of caliufornia
May 11 02:44:43 <SilicaGel> need more sharks
May 11 02:44:51 <SilicaGel> north bay eh
May 11 02:44:59 <m_billybob> Sonoma and Napa
May 11 02:45:00 <SilicaGel> my wife's family lives in walnut creack
May 11 02:45:04 <SilicaGel> oh WAY north
May 11 02:45:17 <m_billybob> not too far from walnut creek
May 11 02:45:23 <m_billybob> if i recall correctly
May 11 02:45:27 <SilicaGel> my brother in law lives in ... benecia?
May 11 02:45:30 <Spirilis> all I know about sonoma and napa is their damned fine wines
May 11 02:45:41 <m_billybob> FIne cheeses too Spirilis
May 11 02:45:41 <SilicaGel> do you know Mt. Diablo?
May 11 02:45:53 <Spirilis> man wish I had a bottle of an Alexander Valley cab sauv upstairs
May 11 02:45:54 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i was wine tasting in Sonoma last weekend. man, $12 at some of those places gets you 8 glasses!
May 11 02:45:59 <Spirilis> mm never tried the cheese
May 11 02:45:59 <m_billybob> thats by Vallejo ?
May 11 02:46:00 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> of like $45 wine.
May 11 02:46:14 <SilicaGel> it's by WC
May 11 02:46:19 <SilicaGel> i don't know if that's by vallejo
May 11 02:46:25 <SilicaGel> isn't vallejo a gas station in california?  :)
May 11 02:46:30 <m_billybob> lol
May 11 02:46:33 <m_billybob> no its  town
May 11 02:46:46 <SilicaGel> i like it there except it gets too hot
May 11 02:46:50 <SilicaGel> i had an office in sunnyvale
May 11 02:46:53 <SilicaGel> i freakin hated sunnyvale
May 11 02:47:13 <Spirilis> it's got the hellmouth
May 11 02:47:13 <m_billybob> You might like sonoma its beautiful country side, but an expensive place to live
May 11 02:47:25 <SilicaGel> i know, i bet i would though
May 11 02:47:27 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> what's wrong with sunnyvale? besides the smell?
May 11 02:47:36 <m_billybob> Sonoma glen ellen and santa rosa
May 11 02:47:37 <SilicaGel> the friggingtraffic holy merde
May 11 02:47:38 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and the $2k for 1 bedroom apartment living costs?
May 11 02:47:48 <SilicaGel> id' want to go to fry's which was 5 miles away and it'd take 45 min to get there
May 11 02:48:08 <SilicaGel> if i coulda fford to live anywhere in california
May 11 02:48:09 <m_billybob> lol
May 11 02:48:13 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i shift my day by about 4 hours, so i miss all of the traffic.
May 11 02:48:20 <SilicaGel> I'd want to live in richard nixon's old house in san clemente
May 11 02:48:21 <Spirilis> lol I was out in that area once for work at my last job, got a 6 hour break before my flight to drive all over
May 11 02:48:31 <SilicaGel> Is that too specific?
May 11 02:48:35 <Spirilis> swung by apple's HQ just to say I've seen it
May 11 02:48:59 <SilicaGel> I also really like santa cruz but I'd get sent to prison when i couldn't take it any more and started running over hippies
May 11 02:49:02 <ka6sox> SilicaGel, I love La Casa Pacifica
May 11 02:49:03 <Spirilis> went down some road that ended up going into a quarry operation so I had to turn around
May 11 02:49:06 <Spirilis> that was weird
May 11 02:49:29 <ka6sox> its only problem is the Dolly Parton's about 3 miles south.
May 11 02:49:36 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> :O I LOVE DOLLY!
May 11 02:49:43 <SilicaGel> why is that a problem?  gravitational anamoly?
May 11 02:49:49 <m_billybob> Currently 2 running tasks (1124 of 3130): <-- much better than in a VM
May 11 02:49:51 <Spirilis> you should see her hometown
May 11 02:50:01 <m_billybob> ( after a couple hours )
May 11 02:50:04 <Spirilis> huge pretentious amusement park outside the Smoky Mountains
May 11 02:50:18 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Dolly World or something, right?
May 11 02:50:22 <Spirilis> yeah
May 11 02:50:30 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pretty sure all money goes to charity, or something lik ethat.
May 11 02:50:30 <SilicaGel> i dig all those little towns north of camp pendleton
May 11 02:50:34 <SilicaGel> from san onofre on up
May 11 02:50:51 <Spirilis> didn't go in but the traffic around Sevierville was driving me nuts cause it was the end of our 9 hour drive
May 11 02:51:06 <Spirilis> could taste the end of the journey and it all came to a screeching halt
May 11 02:51:18 <ka6sox> Dollywood
May 11 02:51:20 <ka6sox> http://goo.gl/maps/k2ns6
May 11 02:51:23 <m_billybob> lol
May 11 02:51:24 <Spirilis> ah yes that's it
May 11 02:51:36 <SilicaGel> hahahaah two tits
May 11 02:51:37 <SilicaGel> hahahaha
May 11 02:51:44 <SilicaGel> i know that exact spot
May 11 02:51:48 <m_billybob> suddenly i have this urge to watch best little whorehouse in texas
May 11 02:51:57 <SilicaGel> You can see it from I-5
May 11 02:52:12 <chupa> dern i cant get a good angstrom image.  grrrr
May 11 02:52:14 <SilicaGel> that plant is in big trouble you know.  It's probably done for.
May 11 02:52:19 <SilicaGel> California seriously wants to shut it down,
May 11 02:52:21 <Spirilis> sweet
May 11 02:52:27 <Spirilis> it'll be our fukushima
May 11 02:52:44 <SilicaGel> and they have had all these problems because of these water tubes that started disintegrating decades before they were supposed to
May 11 02:52:46 <ka6sox> yup, they do...however...it will cause the current Governor to need to Abdicate.
May 11 02:53:05 <ka6sox> and we will end up with Governator II
May 11 02:53:23 <m_billybob> must be a ddos
May 11 02:53:24 <chupa> oops
May 11 02:53:45 <SilicaGel> they want to shut down diablo canyon too
May 11 02:53:58 <SilicaGel> you think you people have brownouts now?  haha
May 11 02:54:00 <SilicaGel> ok maybe not you people
May 11 02:54:04 <ka6sox> heh
May 11 02:54:06 <SilicaGel> but the people in san diego and l.a.
May 11 02:54:22 <chupacabra> i got flooded tonight.
May 11 02:54:31 <SilicaGel> AHHHHHHHH CHUPACABRA
May 11 02:54:33 <SilicaGel> DON'T EAT ME
May 11 02:54:35 <ka6sox> SilicaGel, from Wa. State to san Diego will be a blackout
May 11 02:54:36 <Spirilis> solar panels and hydroelectric storage for everyone! woot
May 11 02:54:37 <Spirilis> lol
May 11 02:54:38 <m_billybob> maybe governator II should stop selling electricity out of state ?
May 11 02:55:00 <ka6sox> Enron II
May 11 02:55:04 <chupacabra> lol
May 11 02:55:08 <SilicaGel> yeah ka6sox
May 11 02:55:13 <Spirilis> heh I hear the folks in OR have to shut off their hydro stations whenever storms come through b/c windmills end up saturating the grid
May 11 02:55:18 <SilicaGel> sell it to someone out of state, and they'll sell it back to you for a premium
May 11 02:55:36 <SilicaGel> so where i work now we have 40KW of solar and 3KW of wind
May 11 02:55:42 <chupacabra> Rick Perry threatened me too!
May 11 02:55:43 <SilicaGel> the wind system hasn't generated a watt in a week
May 11 02:55:48 <SilicaGel> personally?
May 11 02:55:49 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Spirilis: wonder if the windmill shutoff is because it's erratic, too?
May 11 02:55:59 <SilicaGel> why did rick perry threaten you?  Did you try to suck his goat?
May 11 02:56:06 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Spirilis: maybe the coal-and-other plants can't adjust quickly/efficiently enough.
May 11 02:56:17 <m_billybob> SilicaGel, lol we're off grid soon to have 6kW solar up, and ~800W wind ;)
May 11 02:56:26 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> 800Watts of wind!
May 11 02:56:28 <Spirilis> PRU_EVTOUT_2: yeah, this was an article I saw a while back about the massive wind farms I think in the Hood River OR area
May 11 02:56:28 <SilicaGel> nice, nice
May 11 02:56:32 <SilicaGel> any storage?
May 11 02:56:38 <m_billybob> 2100aH
May 11 02:56:43 <Spirilis> notoriously windy spot but have a storm roll through...
May 11 02:56:44 <m_billybob> 12v nominal
May 11 02:56:44 <SilicaGel> in what form?
May 11 02:56:49 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> oh...personal. crap, that's nice.
May 11 02:56:57 <SilicaGel> so 2100aH in lead acid?
May 11 02:57:00 <m_billybob> rolls serrette 2v cells
May 11 02:57:05 <m_billybob> yeah
May 11 02:57:10 <SilicaGel> cool
May 11 02:57:19 <SilicaGel> we have 56 kilowatt-hours of lithium-phosphate
May 11 02:57:37 <SilicaGel> nice and cool running, no cobalt or other oxidizers inside so even if there's a problem they won't burn
May 11 02:57:43 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> is there any benefit over lead acid?
May 11 02:57:43 <m_billybob> lol this is just where we live would love more ... but yeah gets expensive
May 11 02:57:48 <ka6sox> sucks to be you guys depending on Solar
May 11 02:58:01 <SilicaGel> yeah, it'll suck for you when the sun goes out
May 11 02:58:03 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> aren't charge cycles a lot lower for lithui-anything, compared to lead acid?
May 11 02:58:17 <Spirilis> don't worry I don't depend on solar, I depend on that nice dirty bituminous coal from the appalachian mts.
May 11 02:58:26 <SilicaGel> well the spec on these batteries is 3000 charge cycles but they define that in terms of 80% capacity
May 11 02:58:28 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> err...i suppose that assumes you don't discharge the lead acid to any depth.
May 11 02:58:32 <SilicaGel> so the batteries should be good for far longer than that
May 11 02:58:42 <SilicaGel> but to maintan best battery life you really want to keep them between 20% and 80% soc
May 11 02:58:52 <SilicaGel> determing SOC is a bitch though.  I've spent 2 months on that problem so far.
May 11 02:58:59 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> interesting.
May 11 02:59:07 <m_billybob> yeah LA has a much higher SoC requirement
May 11 02:59:11 <SilicaGel> The voltage curves are so flat at the charged end that determing SOC from voltage is *impossible*
May 11 02:59:15 <SilicaGel> so you have to coulomb count
May 11 02:59:16 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so, ideally you use them as a big ass lowpass filter, with your ripple set so the filter doesn't destroy itself.
May 11 02:59:17 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hehe
May 11 02:59:22 <m_billybob> go below 70% and you're riskign the batteries
May 11 02:59:25 <SilicaGel> but coulumb counting has accumulatoin errors
May 11 02:59:46 <SilicaGel> so you have to use voltage mode at the low end of the charge cycle to re-calibrate the coulomb counting algorithm
May 11 02:59:46 <Spirilis> SilicaGel: that does sound like a pain in the ass.
May 11 02:59:49 <SilicaGel> it's really, really awful.
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