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May 13 03:00:14 <Zhang> Hello!
May 13 03:01:16 <Zhang> I have a question to ask for CCS. Who could help me?
May 13 03:04:40 <Zhang> I try to compile a helloworld program in CCS of linux version, but it's failure.
May 13 03:13:59 <Zhang> I have a CCS question to ask. Who can help me?
May 13 05:25:31 <gameprograma> Hello.
May 13 05:26:03 <gameprograma> I'm an absolute beginner and I would like to build robotic projects using the Beaglebone Black. Where do I start?
May 13 05:26:10 <MH_> hello
May 13 05:26:30 <MH_> Do you know how to program?
May 13 05:26:42 <gameprograma> Yes.
May 13 05:26:43 <MH_> Do you have a project
May 13 05:26:51 <gameprograma> Not yet.
May 13 05:26:58 <MH_> What type of robotics?
May 13 05:27:15 <gameprograma> Autonomous robot.
May 13 05:28:30 <MH_> mmm those are the good ones.  Well do you have a BB Black.  I suggest get started programmin on it, maybe blink some LEDs or toggle an oscilloscope, then pick some cool motors and sensors and dive in
May 13 05:30:15 <gameprograma> Well, I'm about to place an order. Still reading up docs I can find to see how it works.
May 13 05:30:33 <MH_> It takes patience and you have to be willing to learn , any specific questions?
May 13 05:30:34 <gameprograma> It looks like I might even have to learn some electrical engineering as well.
May 13 05:30:53 <gameprograma> No specific questions at the moment, no.
May 13 05:31:17 <gameprograma> Just looking for docs to point me in the right direction.
May 13 05:31:18 <MH_> certainly v = ir and just some basic capitance know how will get you a long ways
May 13 05:32:11 <MH_> https://github.com/CircuitCo/-BeagleBone-Black-RevA4/blob/master/BeagleBone_Black_SRM_A4.pdf?raw=true
May 13 05:32:26 <gameprograma> Yeah, figured. I haven't done that since Physics over 10 to 11 years ago.
May 13 05:32:30 <Squix> gameprograma, I would suggest you spend time here before spending money so you know what you are getting into time and money wise http://letsmakerobots.com/
May 13 05:32:47 <MH_> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack
May 13 05:32:49 <Squix> they have a lot of projects you can look into
May 13 05:34:09 <dedwards> Is there an LED reference doc somewhere for the BBB?
May 13 05:34:28 <MH_> what about the LEDs?
May 13 05:35:03 <Squix> gameprograma, if iam not mistaken there already is a bbb robot project going on
May 13 05:35:05 <dedwards> I killed my eMMC image so I tried to reflash it
May 13 05:35:06 <Squix> you can reference
May 13 05:35:28 <dedwards> it isn't working correctly and just curious if there is some troubleshooting I can do based off LEDs
May 13 05:35:32 <MH_> it takes a long time to reflash >45 min
May 13 05:36:00 <dedwards> is it supposed to flash the entire time or does it eventually get to a point where 2 of the 4 are solid?
May 13 05:36:01 <MH_> you can telll what the board is doing with the leds from here http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started
May 13 05:36:57 <MH_> the flashing varies throughout.  Are you flashing angstrom unto it?
May 13 05:37:02 <dedwards> yeah I know my board is borked right now b/c without SD it just has solid lights
May 13 05:37:05 <dedwards> yep
May 13 05:37:33 <MH_> can you boot from SD
May 13 05:37:37 <dedwards> I am trying to ref lash it now, it flashes like crazy for about 5-10 minutes but then 2 of the 4 lights just stay on
May 13 05:37:53 <MH_> I think that may be right dedwards
May 13 05:38:58 <MH_> it shoudl really be the micosd led and the emmc led for the majority of it, it takes a while
May 13 05:39:33 <dedwards> hmm ok, will give it another try
May 13 05:39:56 <MH_> gameprograma I think if you can narrow down what time of robotics you want to do, you can make a much more educated decision on what hardware to work with.
May 13 05:40:08 <MH_> what type of robotics*
May 13 06:36:13 <Zhang> Hello
May 13 06:36:59 <Zhang> I met a problem in using CCS,who can help me?
May 13 08:05:08 <keesj_> back from holiday and the BBB was waiting for me on my desk this morning!
May 13 08:05:37 <ka6sox> kewl keesj
May 13 08:06:43 <keesj> also the same sd card now boots MINIX 3 on the bone and the BBB
May 13 08:07:10 <jasonm> I'm having trouble figuring out how to read and write to the registers in bonescript/javascript, could someone help out?
May 13 08:13:09 <keesj> jasonm: I don't really know if this is possible what are you trying to achieve?
May 13 08:13:37 <jasonm> keesj, trying to get the SPI working in javascript
May 13 08:13:53 <av500> why do you need to read/write registers for that?
May 13 08:13:57 <av500> use /dev/spi
May 13 08:14:39 <jasonm> i'm totally new to this. but I've been reading about the protocol and then how to do it on a PIC and it looks like you have to access the registers
May 13 08:15:39 <jasonm> i'm not sure what dev/spi is. I'm just playing with the board tethered to USB to my pc right now so I'm just using Cloud9
May 13 08:16:41 <jasonm> just trying to create my own SPI functions since it isn't implemented in bonescript yet
May 13 08:16:49 <av500> http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-spi-1-0-and-1-1-with-device-tre-overlays-on-beaglebone/
May 13 08:17:47 <av500> http://communistcode.co.uk/blog/blogPost.php?blogPostID=1
May 13 08:18:02 <av500> hipsters and communists to the rescue
May 13 08:20:18 <keesj> so for short you can't currently use /dev/spi or access spi from javascript. it requires building kernels and modifying the device tree
May 13 08:20:56 <jasonm> ok i see. i was trying to make heads or tails of those two pages. I've never used linux before
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May 13 08:46:38 <panto> gm
May 13 08:47:15 <av500> gm
May 13 09:19:04 <luigirin> Hallo!!!
May 13 09:19:15 <av500> ola
May 13 09:20:38 <jackmitchell> morning all
May 13 09:20:46 <mru> moaning
May 13 09:20:47 <koen> hey jackmitchell
May 13 09:21:03 <luigirin> Someone can give me a link to see a clear explanation on device tree, i want only to enable GPIO on my BBB, and I don´t want to read 1000 pages to do it.
May 13 09:21:20 <av500> who says it is 1000 pages?
May 13 09:21:31 <jackmitchell> koen: I threw your name about on the oe-list today with regards to the 3.8.11 segfault fix; you may get a query from Bruce Ashfield about it
May 13 09:23:12 <tasslehoff> koen: I need a biased opinion. I'm moving from denzil to The Future for our C3-like board, and I wonder if I should stay with your setup-scripts or go "pure" yocto/poky.
May 13 09:23:13 <yegorich> Moin moin! Anyone using am3517 with 3.10? ;-)
May 13 09:24:04 <koen> jackmitchell: I mentioned that to in a different email already, I think bruce was CC:ed
May 13 09:24:20 <koen> jackmitchell: but with the amount of mail bruce gets I wouldn't be suprised if he overlooked it
May 13 09:24:25 <luigirin> I found a lot of link for device tree, but there is not a clear connection to beaglebone, i found a link to enable the serial port or the analog inputs but i don´know how to enable GPIO
May 13 09:24:30 <koen> (and I'm not 100% sure he's in CC)
May 13 09:24:54 <koen> tasslehoff: angstrom is officially yocto certified
May 13 09:24:58 <jackmitchell> koen: ok, I think it was overlooked and people were about to go on a tangent, so I gave them a gentle push ;)
May 13 09:25:21 <koen> tasslehoff: I would strongly recommend to never consider poky for use in a product, it is not designed for that
May 13 09:25:51 * koen spent some months trying to base angstrom on poky (yes, poky, not yocto) and that was a complete and utter failure
May 13 09:26:56 <luigirin> So there is an explanation to enable GPIO pin, or a capemgr?
May 13 09:28:40 <luigirin> I´m reading a lot of document but I don´t find the solution. I tried wit bonescript, but it is too slow for my purposes
May 13 09:29:08 <tasslehoff> koen: ok. because not all the stuff one would need for a usable product is found in poky?
May 13 09:30:28 <koen> tasslehoff: that's one reason
May 13 09:30:31 <tasslehoff> koen: in setup-scripts, should I be following master or the angstrom*yocto* branches
May 13 09:30:34 <tasslehoff> ?
May 13 09:30:36 <koen> tasslehoff: the other is how updates and patches are handled
May 13 09:31:05 <koen> tasslehoff: the angstrom*yocto* branches, master gets updated to a new angstrom*yocto* branch every 6 months
May 13 09:31:32 <koen> (master should be a 1:1 copy of the contents of the latest stable angstrom release branch)
May 13 09:32:27 <tasslehoff> koen: great. then I have a plan, and can go to lunch :)
May 13 09:32:40 <luigirin> Nobody can help me?
May 13 09:53:12 <rushikesh988> #beagle-gsoc
May 13 10:07:19 <KotH> JIHAD!
May 13 10:07:41 <av500> sure
May 13 10:07:46 <av500> but have a coffee first
May 13 10:08:01 <KotH> good idea ^^'
May 13 10:08:14 <KotH> though.. rather tea in this country
May 13 10:08:33 <rushikesh988> KotH which country you are from??
May 13 10:08:57 <KotH> guess
May 13 10:09:07 <rushikesh988> USA??
May 13 10:09:10 <rushikesh988> UK??/
May 13 10:09:31 <rushikesh988> ya UK people prefer tea more
May 13 10:10:02 <rushikesh988> is it right??
May 13 10:10:07 <av500> no
May 13 10:10:13 * KotH does neither live in a 4th world, nor in a 3rd world country
May 13 10:11:15 <mdp> people's republic of chocolate
May 13 10:11:19 <rushikesh988> atleast give me hint... there are more than 150 contries having internet
May 13 10:12:22 <rushikesh988> cork??
May 13 10:12:34 <av500> is that a countrY?
May 13 10:14:11 <rushikesh988> haha
May 13 10:14:11 <rushikesh988> german
May 13 10:14:53 <KotH> so much for your geography knowledge
May 13 10:15:35 <tasslehoff> koen: odd thing when running ./oebb.sh config beagleboard. it seems to try to use "update" as a repo: http://pastebin.com/tf5pwyY3
May 13 10:15:40 <rushikesh988> :P
May 13 10:16:18 <rushikesh988> hey you all are connected to IRC using beagleboard.org or do you have any app there??/
May 13 10:16:43 <av500> app
May 13 10:17:19 <rushikesh988> which one ???
May 13 10:17:28 <koen> tasslehoff: yes, I am looking into that
May 13 10:17:49 <koen> tasslehoff: which branch?
May 13 10:18:31 <jackmitchell> rushikesh988: Irssi
May 13 10:18:53 <mdp> KotH, must be from .us...they don't do geography
May 13 10:19:13 <KotH> mdp: that was my guess too... but aperantly he is from india
May 13 10:19:43 <mdp> oh!
May 13 10:19:57 <tasslehoff> koen: angstrom-v2013.06-yocto1.4
May 13 10:20:28 <rushikesh988> ohhhh
May 13 10:21:12 <koen> tasslehoff: ah
May 13 10:21:15 <koen> tasslehoff: git pull
May 13 10:21:29 <koen> stray empty line
May 13 10:21:43 <rushikesh988> I was close to that  KotH
May 13 10:22:55 <rushikesh988> I mean in guess
May 13 10:23:15 <tasslehoff> koen: great
May 13 10:24:24 <tasslehoff> koen: DISTRO 'angstrom-v2013.06' not found.
May 13 10:24:42 <tasslehoff> koen: am I on the bleeding edge now? :)
May 13 10:26:10 <rushikesh988> by all ... g2g..
May 13 11:17:32 <mrpackethead> JIHAD
May 13 11:40:51 <anshu> has any body ported a pre compiled ubuntu image on BB
May 13 11:41:28 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/5W8W7A
May 13 11:41:28 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 cae1a7e Koen Kooi: 3.8: update to 3.8.13...
May 13 11:41:29 <Rotti> hi!
May 13 12:00:20 <av500> anshu: one does not port precompiled stuff
May 13 12:00:38 <mru> hex editor...
May 13 12:00:49 <anshu> i mean i burnt the image
May 13 12:00:50 <av500> right
May 13 12:01:09 <av500> let's say you "copied" it
May 13 12:01:28 <anshu> av500:i was not able to get to the desktop
May 13 12:02:04 <anshu> though i am able to login graphically
May 13 12:02:28 <anshu> but after that its just a blue screen with pointer sitting there
May 13 12:02:55 <av500> sorry now idea
May 13 12:03:22 <av500> didnt know Ubuntu has ported the "blue screen"
May 13 12:03:59 <mru> a blue screen with a null pointer?
May 13 12:58:07 <t77t> Hi
May 13 12:58:21 <t77t> I just got my beaglebone black
May 13 12:58:29 <t77t> What can I do with it?
May 13 12:59:00 <dm8tbr> put it on your desk and admire it
May 13 13:00:55 <t77t> I guess I'm gonna send it back
May 13 13:01:27 <dm8tbr> you didn't like how it looks?
May 13 13:02:50 <t77t> It's looks very sleek, I like it
May 13 13:04:34 <MHz> You can do just about anything you want with it
May 13 13:04:55 <KotH> can i use it as a rocket to fly to the moon?
May 13 13:05:04 <MHz> Ya
May 13 13:05:33 <KotH> \o/
May 13 13:05:35 <KotH> how?
May 13 13:05:44 <KotH> where can i find exact steps?
May 13 13:05:49 <av500> hrm, bone does not like my USB mouse
May 13 13:05:55 <av500> koen: do I need to install a driver?
May 13 13:06:31 <koen> not that I know of
May 13 13:06:47 <koen> you can't hotplug USB
May 13 13:06:52 <koen> the 2011 bug is back
May 13 13:07:00 <av500> ?
May 13 13:07:02 <av500> WTF
May 13 13:07:10 <koen> awesome drivers from TI
May 13 13:07:13 <av500> omg
May 13 13:07:15 <koen> no hotplug with MUSB
May 13 13:07:16 <koen> no DMA
May 13 13:07:34 <MHz> I suggest adding some liquid fuel rockets.  Use your imagination as a guide.
May 13 13:07:39 * av500 downloads raspbian
May 13 13:07:41 <koen> only on the rootnode, so hub -> hotplug mouse does seem to work
May 13 13:08:14 <mru> KotH: the bone is surely more powerful than the apollo flight computer
May 13 13:08:41 <mru> so strap it to a spare apollo rocket, and off you go
May 13 13:09:04 <av500> and with his swiss bank account, he can certainly afford it....
May 13 13:11:50 * KotH wonders whether it would be actually feasible to build a rocket that can fly with, lets say, 1kg payload to the moon at home
May 13 13:12:06 <KotH> the electronics shouldnt be a problem anymore (beside being rad hard)
May 13 13:12:11 <av500> koen: in other news, my 1280x1024 monitor works
May 13 13:12:17 <mru> no, but the rocket might be
May 13 13:12:25 <av500> isnt that the lunar x-price?
May 13 13:12:27 <mru> you still need to reach escape velocity
May 13 13:12:33 <mru> and that's bloody hard
May 13 13:12:50 <av500> x-prize
May 13 13:12:59 <KotH> av500: wasnt the x-price to get a human there?
May 13 13:13:02 <Spirilis> yeah wonder if the problem is an economy of scale, i.e. the fuel needed to reach would require a vessel so big (and compoundingly larger fuel req) it'd be outside the realm of home capability
May 13 13:13:13 <mru> KotH: does he have to come back as well?
May 13 13:13:21 <KotH> good question :)
May 13 13:13:49 <av500> http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/teams
May 13 13:13:51 <av500> KotH: a robot
May 13 13:13:55 <mru> rocket size increases exponentially with energy ultimately tranferred to payload
May 13 13:14:41 <mru> most of the energy is of course wasted moving the fuel
May 13 13:14:42 <av500> koen: reboot with mouse plugged, still fails
May 13 13:14:53 <av500> lsusb shows it
May 13 13:15:08 <mru> placing something in earth orbit isn't that hard though
May 13 13:15:12 <mru> even north korea can do that
May 13 13:17:02 <bradfa> moaning, channel
May 13 13:17:19 <mru> mourning
May 13 13:17:26 * bradfa wears black
May 13 13:17:37 <koen> av500: ok, don't know what's wrong then
May 13 13:17:44 <KotH> salut bradfa
May 13 13:17:51 <bradfa> KotH, hola
May 13 13:17:56 <KotH> bradfa: bought too many bbb?
May 13 13:18:10 <bradfa> KotH, I have 0 bbb A5 boards :)
May 13 13:18:21 <bradfa> I'm a white boy
May 13 13:18:32 <KotH> aha! a racist!
May 13 13:18:33 <KotH> ;)
May 13 13:18:48 * bradfa still hates ftdi
May 13 13:18:56 <olspookishmagus> white? as in #FFFFFF?
May 13 13:19:19 * KotH doubts bradfa has an alpha channel
May 13 13:19:31 <bradfa> CMYK over here
May 13 13:19:39 * bradfa used to work at Xerox
May 13 13:19:39 <koen> L*A*B
May 13 13:20:13 <olspookishmagus> could Xerox goodies take a custom firmware?
May 13 13:20:39 <KotH> there have been exact steps out there how to hack a printer
May 13 13:20:56 <bradfa> olspookishmagus, sure
May 13 13:21:00 <KotH> i guess, you can call that a custom firmware:)
May 13 13:21:24 <bradfa> some of the newer machines have SD cards inside with all the codez on them
May 13 13:22:00 <bradfa> The "Haden" machines (sorry no idea what the model numbers are) boot from full sized SD card
May 13 13:22:29 <KotH> bradfa: why an SD card? isnt that horribly expensive for high volume production?
May 13 13:22:40 <jackmitchell> and unreliable?
May 13 13:22:49 <bradfa> KotH, no idea, my job was to break the chips used on the toner carts on that machine, not to put Linux on it
May 13 13:23:27 <jackmitchell> ah hah, you were an ink lock in man!
May 13 13:23:33 <bradfa> jackmitchell, sort of, yes :)
May 13 13:23:40 <jackmitchell> how did you sleep at night! :P
May 13 13:23:45 <bradfa> more that I was trying to show corporate how bad they were at the whole lock-in thing
May 13 13:24:10 <bradfa> there's huge glaring problems with the way Xerox does it such that it's much less effective than it could be
May 13 13:24:14 <bradfa> stupid DMCA! :)
May 13 13:24:27 <bradfa> and Lexmark
May 13 13:24:31 <jackmitchell> sounds like a fun job, attempting to break things in your colleagues faces
May 13 13:24:32 <bradfa> they ruined it
May 13 13:24:38 <bradfa> jackmitchell, yesh, till no one listens
May 13 13:25:11 <KotH> bradfa: why lexmark?
May 13 13:25:17 <jackmitchell> heh, the old fingers in ears method; if I never heard it, it never broke
May 13 13:25:38 <bradfa> KotH, they failed at this: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1023-979791.html
May 13 13:26:35 <bradfa> courts bitch slapped them, if they had not sued then they wouldn't have set legal precedent, is how I understand it
May 13 13:27:08 <bradfa> out of that, and a few other things lexmark did with their "return your carts to us and get a discount" programs, they hampered the ability for lock-in to work right
May 13 13:27:30 <bradfa> now, legally, you can't lock-in, you can only validate that a cart is "genuine"
May 13 13:28:10 <bradfa> some of the 3rd party inks / toners are quite good
May 13 13:28:13 <bradfa> some are junk
May 13 13:28:18 <shoragan> koen, where do you have an SD image for the beaglebone based on your 3.8 patches? i seem to be too stupid to find it ;)
May 13 13:28:20 <bradfa> all are cheaper than "genuine"
May 13 13:28:27 <mru> bradfa: junk or not, they should all be legal
May 13 13:28:34 <bradfa> mru, and now they are :)
May 13 13:29:16 <bradfa> go go freenode!
May 13 13:29:16 <KotH> bradfa: lol
May 13 13:29:16 <KotH> bradfa: first time i hear a DMCA case backfired
May 13 13:29:16 <koen> shoragan: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.05.10.img.xz
May 13 13:29:18 <bradfa> KotH, it's the whole interworking part of DMCA that made it backfire
May 13 13:29:21 <mru> unless you start talking about fitness for use as advertised
May 13 13:29:21 <mru> bradfa: they always were, as I understand things
May 13 13:29:35 <bradfa> mru, now there's precedent in USA, though
May 13 13:29:38 <shoragan> thanks, koen
May 13 13:29:41 <bradfa> but yes, always been lega
May 13 13:29:42 <bradfa> l
May 13 13:30:21 <mru> lexmark managed to invalidate their own copyright, which was interesting
May 13 13:30:29 * KotH curses all "senior engineers" who take shortcuts to save 5mins of coding and make me fix their code for hours on end...
May 13 13:30:56 <mru> KotH: do you think they earned their 'senior' label?
May 13 13:56:04 <panto> splitting up is hard to do
May 13 14:12:08 <mdp> holy ancient dmca history, batman!
May 13 14:13:03 <Spirilis> KotH: heh, reminds me of my last job where I'd been there for years and suddenly a new boss came in and informed me I was getting a promotion, skipping some 2 levels, because "it was time" ... had a nice 36% payraise that year
May 13 14:13:03 <Spirilis> course your case being the reverse of that.
May 13 14:14:00 <mru> KotH: and since I'm a level above 'senior', guess what my work looks like...
May 13 14:16:01 <av500> mru: you are the one ordering the senior engineers to take the 5 min shortcuts?
May 13 14:26:23 <NoProblem> Hey question how do changed the BBB to hdmi 1080p for 720p
May 13 14:27:37 <dm8tbr> NoProblem: huh? which of both?
May 13 14:27:48 <av500> NoProblem: no 1080p on the BBB
May 13 14:28:05 <NoProblem> Hmm  av500
May 13 14:30:14 <NoProblem> Ok  av500 my problem is that I have it connected to my flat screen and I can't view the edges
May 13 14:31:08 <dm8tbr> that is something different. That sounds like overscan
May 13 14:31:14 <NoProblem> Yeah
May 13 14:31:24 <dm8tbr> which is quite ridiculous nowadays
May 13 14:31:39 <NoProblem> The just started on the latest may image of angstrom
May 13 14:31:42 <dm8tbr> I'd recommend to check the settings of your TV
May 13 14:31:50 <panto> NoProblem, there should be a tv setting that removes overscan
May 13 14:32:04 <dm8tbr> that's not a bbb problem. it's a TV problem.
May 13 14:32:15 <dm8tbr> sometimes it's called PC-mode or such
May 13 14:32:25 <NoProblem> dm8tbr:  however it was working fine prior to the new image
May 13 14:32:38 <av500> still, that was not 1080p either
May 13 14:32:45 <NoProblem> Ok
May 13 14:33:50 <NoProblem> Is there a over scan conf file on BBB
May 13 14:34:10 <av500> no
May 13 14:34:14 <NoProblem> Wow
May 13 14:34:16 <NoProblem> Ok
May 13 14:34:23 <av500> overscan happens in your TV
May 13 14:34:32 <av500> the BBB cannot control your TV
May 13 14:34:51 <NoProblem> That I understand
May 13 14:39:13 <av500> "...The oracle should work depending on the abi you are running..."
May 13 14:40:39 <panto> NoProblem, boot with drm.debug=255 in your kernel cmd line
May 13 14:40:47 <panto> and past the kernel log
May 13 14:40:58 <NoProblem> Ok
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May 13 14:48:28 <letothe2nd> does anyone happen to know a magnetics jack for lan+1usb, in upright geometry?
May 13 14:50:20 <av500> upright?
May 13 14:50:28 <letothe2nd> "standing"
May 13 14:51:13 <av500> http://yuandean.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008800520424/pdtl/RJ45-connector/1042762891/RJ45-USB-Jack.htm
May 13 14:51:38 <av500> tons on google
May 13 14:51:45 <letothe2nd> thats "lying"
May 13 14:52:09 <av500> ?
May 13 14:52:16 <av500> ah, the usb standing
May 13 14:52:23 <av500> why would you want that?
May 13 14:52:33 <letothe2nd> why not?
May 13 14:53:18 <av500> so rj45 like that and usb upright?
May 13 14:53:25 <av500> or both sideways?
May 13 14:53:41 <letothe2nd> we're just thinking about a case where both would be coming straight from the back
May 13 14:54:11 <letothe2nd> e.g. the the rj45 and usb plug would both be pointing straight onto the pcs, no lying flat on it.
May 13 14:54:28 <av500> ah
May 13 14:54:33 <av500> you want the pins out the back?
May 13 14:54:41 <letothe2nd> yeeeeeeah!
May 13 14:54:59 <av500> ah
May 13 14:55:24 <av500> its hard to understand you with your bavarian accent...
May 13 14:55:30 <letothe2nd> a geh heast.
May 13 14:55:47 <mdp> heh
May 13 14:56:17 <dm8tbr> I thought that was a Arrakian accent?
May 13 14:56:43 <av500> about the same
May 13 14:56:56 <letothe2nd> yeah not much of a difference.
May 13 14:57:00 <av500> rj45 single and usb single yes
May 13 14:57:02 <letothe2nd> both have a very hard R
May 13 14:57:04 <av500> combined, no luck
May 13 14:57:55 <letothe2nd> seems so, yes.
May 13 14:58:06 <letothe2nd> hm.
May 13 15:03:34 <av500> letothe2nd: the mafig word is "top entry"
May 13 15:03:38 <av500> magic
May 13 15:03:45 <av500> but no luck so far
May 13 15:04:28 <letothe2nd> av500: thanks, but nevermind.. if the thing is not cots, its bound to be super expensive and thats also bad :(
May 13 15:05:14 <av500> yes but for top entry you can place rj45 and usb separately
May 13 15:05:18 <av500> and that is cots
May 13 15:05:37 <av500> the stacked is to save horizontal space
May 13 15:05:58 <letothe2nd> sure, probably thats the way to go
May 13 15:06:36 <av500> so my initial questiob was valid :)
May 13 15:07:36 <letothe2nd> hrhrhr
May 13 15:08:16 <letothe2nd> now thats kind of freaky: http://www.molex.com/webdocs/datasheets/pdf/en-us/0955027643_MODULAR_JACKS_PLUG.pdf
May 13 15:10:10 <av500> thats 64 only
May 13 15:10:13 <av500> thats 6/4 only
May 13 15:10:43 <av500> and no usb, no?
May 13 15:10:46 <letothe2nd> yeah but the hole-in-pcb thought is kind of scary, methinks.
May 13 15:11:25 <av500> what hole?
May 13 15:11:54 <av500> for the retention?
May 13 15:12:09 <letothe2nd> that geometry is bottom entry.. the plug goes through the pcb into the jack.
May 13 15:12:27 <av500> oh right
May 13 15:12:33 <letothe2nd> "scary"
May 13 15:12:55 <av500> well
May 13 15:13:00 <av500> you are easily scared
May 13 15:13:03 <av500> booo
May 13 15:13:07 <letothe2nd> totally!
May 13 15:18:18 <fester> who created this page? http://elinux.org/Ti_AM33XX_PRUSSv2?
May 13 15:19:33 <av500> we won't say
May 13 15:19:39 <av500> come back with a court order
May 13 15:19:40 <bradfa> fester, http://elinux.org/index.php?title=Ti_AM33XX_PRUSSv2&action=history
May 13 15:19:41 <fester> i see
May 13 15:19:47 <bradfa> no?
May 13 15:19:50 <av500> bradfa: gah
May 13 15:19:52 * panto hides behind av500 
May 13 15:19:53 * bradfa runs!
May 13 15:20:01 <fester> bradfa: yes, but there's no user here named ka6sox
May 13 15:20:14 <av500> fester: there is
May 13 15:20:21 <av500> but not all the time
May 13 15:20:23 <fester> ah
May 13 15:20:36 <fester> i see jkridner_ created it originally
May 13 15:20:40 <fedlap> hello
May 13 15:20:42 <av500> yes
May 13 15:20:56 <fester> i was just creating this page: http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_PRU_Notes and i thought i should merge my stuff in
May 13 15:21:13 <av500> yes
May 13 15:21:15 <panto> fester, please do
May 13 15:21:17 <bradfa> https://www.google.com/search?q=ka6sox
May 13 15:21:31 <av500> bradfa: omg, you know too much
May 13 15:21:40 <fester> haha
May 13 15:21:41 <bradfa> av500, I accept your praise
May 13 15:22:08 <av500> you know what happens to people that know .....
May 13 15:22:20 * bradfa answers doors in the dark of night...
May 13 15:23:30 <panto> bradfa, does your mux list now contain the pru values too?
May 13 15:23:41 <bradfa> yes, ka6sox sent pull request on friday
May 13 15:23:43 * panto cause I hate to update mine I'd rather leach yours 
May 13 15:23:54 <fedlap> has anyone tried to run angstrom image 2013.04.13 on a beaglebone with lcd7 cape attached?
May 13 15:24:26 <teralaser> probably
May 13 15:24:27 <panto> fedlap, AFAIKT lcd7 works with a latest release
May 13 15:24:31 * panto points to koen 
May 13 15:25:30 <fedlap> do i have to configure something to make it work? :)
May 13 15:25:45 <panto> fedlap, no, it should just work (on the white)
May 13 15:25:59 <panto> on the black we're working on how to support the lcd capes properly
May 13 15:27:06 <fedlap> i'm using a white lcd7 cape and when i insert a newly flashed sd card with angstrom image dated 2013.04.13 it doesn't light up
May 13 15:27:26 <panto> there are more recent images out
May 13 15:27:41 <fedlap> where can i find them? :)
May 13 15:37:25 <fedlap> panto, where can i find more recent releases? i can't seem to find any newer than 2013.04.13 :(
May 13 15:38:54 * panto points at koen 
May 13 15:39:34 <letothe2nd> oO( better than koenting at poins, for sure. )
May 13 15:42:07 <av500> mdp: ...Imagination Technologies said annual profit would miss forecasts due to delays in signing licensing deals as some of its chipmaking customers diversify from smartphones and tablets into areas like smart technology for cars....
May 13 15:42:17 <av500> I wonder who went into cars....
May 13 15:42:42 <mdp> unknown
May 13 15:42:50 <av500> ah, it mentions TI further down
May 13 15:43:09 <mdp> yeah, especially, ADAS-focused derivatives don't need that expense
May 13 15:43:21 <mdp> so anything derivative for ADAS stuff drops that licensing expense
May 13 15:44:05 <mdp> let's see, so they are in a dogfight with ARM for inclusion on the relevant mobile socs
May 13 15:44:24 <mdp> they are on that octopi one
May 13 15:44:53 <fedlap> does anybody know where i can find more recent angstrom releases than 2013.04.13?
May 13 15:45:12 <mdp> and poor imgtec has competition from bcm on the midrange stuff where samsung designs in some bcm stuff using VC4
May 13 15:45:19 <mdp> boohoo
May 13 15:45:33 <mdp> av500, I personally hope imgtex dies a fiery death
May 13 15:45:40 <mdp> *imgtec
May 13 15:48:23 <Russ> jeez my 1920x1200 monitors suck now
May 13 15:48:26 <Russ> thanks mdp
May 13 15:49:14 <mdp> Russ, heh
May 13 15:49:19 <Russ> jerk
May 13 15:49:25 <mdp> consume!!!
May 13 15:49:46 <Russ> I might have to drive down to monoprice and give them a piece of my mind
May 13 16:07:22 <fedlap> does anyone know how i can get a beaglebone (white) to work with a lcd 7 cape and angstrom image 2013.04.13?
May 13 16:09:45 <mru> hmm, how many electronic engineers does it take to fix a tv?
May 13 16:10:13 <mdp> Russ, tell them to quit "smashing prices!" :)
May 13 16:14:17 <Turl> mru: -1U?
May 13 16:15:12 <mru> I posted a picture of the inside of a broken tv, and the channel trolls have yet to find the fault
May 13 16:15:59 <Turl> mru: the logic board is bad, replace it
May 13 16:16:12 <av500> mru: its always a leaking cap in the PSU
May 13 16:16:30 <mru> yep
May 13 16:16:49 <Russ> its hard to see what the caps are doing, we need an angle shot
May 13 16:16:57 <fedlap> panto, are you still here?
May 13 16:17:12 <panto> yes
May 13 16:17:14 <mru> Russ: you can tell from the reflections that one is bulging
May 13 16:17:16 <panto> but not for long
May 13 16:17:27 <mru> the one behind the wires is also bad
May 13 16:17:40 <Russ> ok mr blurry cam
May 13 16:17:55 <fedlap> panto, are you sure, that there are any newer angstrom releases? :-/
May 13 16:17:59 <mru> replacing them did the trick
May 13 16:18:35 <panto> fedlap, http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beagleboard/Angstrom-systemd-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beagleboard-2013.05.08.img.xz
May 13 16:18:59 <panto> root fs that should work for both white+black
May 13 16:19:05 <panto> err, sorry that's beagleboard
May 13 16:19:18 <panto> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beagleboard/
May 13 16:19:35 <panto> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/
May 13 16:19:44 <panto> bah, have to head out for 15
May 13 16:20:32 <fedlap> this one Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.05.10.img.xz?
May 13 16:20:41 <mdp> blurrycams unite
May 13 16:21:29 <fedlap> panto, ty!
May 13 16:24:27 <mdp> mru, in my case, it was flameproof resistors that were consumed by flame..plus a couple convergence amps that were bad. oh, but that was a CRT RPTV
May 13 16:25:36 <mdp> and a friend's LG plasma required 6 blown-top electrolytics replaced and then it worked again..1.25 years old, of course.
May 13 16:25:46 <mru> sure, other things _can_ fail, but it's always worth checking the caps
May 13 16:26:07 <mdp> caps seem to be a popular failure these days
May 13 16:26:22 <mdp> the 10 year olds making them know nothing about QC
May 13 16:26:43 <levi> Caps have always been a popular failure, AFAICT.
May 13 16:27:29 <mdp> levi, indeed, I spent a summer replacing a metric shit ton of them repairing switching power supplies
May 13 16:27:31 <mdp> *sigh*
May 13 16:27:42 <mdp> "back in the day"
May 13 16:27:52 <mru> I have some atx psus in need of repair
May 13 16:28:12 <mru> of course the caps are almost impossible to get to
May 13 16:31:26 <mdp> mru, the board in my friend's TV had _obvious_ cap issues...that makes it *so* much easier to troubleshoot
May 13 16:31:54 <mdp> interesting pics
May 13 16:31:56 <ka6sox> "lets pot everything with material that becomes conductive after 4yrs of service"
May 13 16:32:07 <mdp> heh
May 13 16:32:21 <mru> this thing wouldn't power on, and the caps looked dodgy
May 13 16:32:34 <mru> replacing them seemed like a good gamble
May 13 16:32:52 <mdp> in my case, the whole top of 6 of them was blown up in classic style..pretty scary looking
May 13 16:32:58 <mdp> yeah, good call
May 13 16:33:26 <mdp> grab the service manual from *.ru
May 13 16:33:42 <mru> didn't even need that
May 13 16:33:44 <mdp> get the troubleshooting and test points from that
May 13 16:33:50 <mdp> oh, so it's good now?
May 13 16:34:04 <mru> yes
May 13 16:34:10 <mdp> cool, congrats ;)
May 13 16:34:26 <mdp> it's a great way to look like a genius to normal people ;)
May 13 16:34:36 <mru> exactly
May 13 16:34:46 <mru> and get a free dinner
May 13 16:34:49 <mdp> but sorta like how an auto mechanic just uses an educated guess to replace certain things ;)
May 13 16:34:51 <mru> (tv belongs to the barmaid)
May 13 16:34:52 <mdp> +1
May 13 16:34:55 <mdp> nice
May 13 16:37:15 <Russ> "the new beaglebone black ... its much nicer than the raspberry pi"
May 13 16:37:29 <mru> you don't say
May 13 16:38:19 <Russ> not me, gregkh
May 13 16:41:10 <Turl> even a brick is nicer than the rpi
May 13 16:55:07 <fedlap> panto, are you still here? :)
May 13 16:55:41 <panto> yes
May 13 16:56:35 <fedlap> lcd7 is now working with 2013.05.10 release
May 13 16:57:36 <fedlap> now I've an issue concerning TiWi-5E cape, do you have any experience with it?
May 13 16:58:54 <panto> fedlap, it doesn't work
May 13 16:59:25 <panto> the capes that worked on 3.2 are slowly being converted to work on a recent kernel
May 13 16:59:26 <fedlap> you mean like, it won't work at all? :-/
May 13 17:00:04 <panto> no, I mean that for the wifi cape to work various things must happen
May 13 17:00:21 <panto> a) TI must update the driver to support DT bindings
May 13 17:00:24 <panto> b) see a
May 13 17:00:48 <bender_> anyone tried out the LCD7 cape with BBB?
May 13 17:00:51 <bender_> not working for me
May 13 17:00:54 <fedlap> did the wifi cape work on any other release?
May 13 17:01:11 <panto> bender_, not going to work immediately
May 13 17:01:40 <panto> we're trying to get it working, but that would require keeping the onboard hdmi disabled
May 13 17:02:02 <dgood`> Has anyone loaded the BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.08.img on a BBB?
May 13 17:03:10 <dgood`> I loaded it and cannot get the USB port to recognize a USB keyboard or mouse.
May 13 17:03:23 <cmicali_> cdrttn_:
May 13 17:03:35 <mdp> panto, do note that there are patches under internal review for wifi/dt/mmc/am335x on 3.8...at least working code now as reported to me from the wifi folks
May 13 17:04:37 <panto> mdp, that's good to know
May 13 17:05:46 <fedlap> mdp, how can i use that code to get my wifi cape running`? :)
May 13 17:06:13 <panto> fedlap, knock yourself out :)
May 13 17:06:16 <panto> patches welcome
May 13 17:06:59 <mdp> fedlap, you can't, the code is not available yet. stay tuned to the ti-linux.git tree for an update
May 13 17:07:11 <mdp> then it'll be time to integrate to the beagleboard kernel
May 13 17:08:30 <fedlap> but are there any other linux builds for beaglebone which support the wifi cape already?
May 13 17:09:07 <mdp> dunno
May 13 17:09:50 <levi`> fedlap: Unless you're an experienced kernel developer with a lot of time on your hands, you're probably just going to have to wait.
May 13 17:11:04 <fedlap> ok :-/ and how long could it take? are we talking about weeks, months or years`?
May 13 17:11:10 <mdp> dunno
May 13 17:12:00 <ds2> centries
May 13 17:12:06 <fedlap> k, thanks anyway
May 13 17:12:24 <rushikesh988> hi :mdp ...
May 13 17:13:01 <rushikesh988> I am finally on IRSSI ..thanks :)
May 13 17:15:59 <tacon> irssi ftw
May 13 17:33:31 <cmicali_> good way to backup the whole eMMC on a BBB?
May 13 17:33:31 <cmicali_> can you just dd /dev/mmcblk0 over the network?
May 13 17:33:31 <cmicali_> will that get all partitions?
May 13 18:00:19 <21WAALFCD> SlashV: If the xMTEST sdcards boot, the hardware is probably fine.
May 13 18:01:57 <levi> Stupid nick collisions.
May 13 18:02:24 <SlashV> levi: ok. but then what could be the reason. I found that the second board also boots when I hold the "user" key down. I guess that enables something special?
May 13 18:02:53 <levi> I'm not sure what the user key does on the xM.
May 13 18:03:22 <levi> I'm guessing your self-built kernel is busted somehow.
May 13 18:04:13 <levi> Maybe it was a bad flash of the kernel, though.
May 13 18:04:35 <SlashV> .. but it runs fine, on the other board
May 13 18:05:08 <levi> It boots from the same SD card on one but not on the other?
May 13 18:05:17 <SlashV> yup
May 13 18:06:01 <SlashV> so must be hardware issue imho
May 13 18:06:56 <levi> Well, I have seen boards with bad memory controller parameters in the bootloader/kernel have different RAM tolerance for out-of-spec timing.
May 13 18:07:38 <SlashV> Ah...
May 13 18:07:41 <levi> So it doesn't mean the hardware is necessarily bad, you may just have one board that's more tolerant of bad sofware than the other.
May 13 18:08:25 <SlashV> I think holding down the 'user' button disables the loading of uEnv.txt, so maybe there are bad params in there
May 13 18:08:28 <SlashV> thanks!
May 13 18:08:50 <levi> Good luck!
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