**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 17 03:00:00 2013 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 17 19:58:37 2013 May 17 19:58:57 well i was thinking that I dont like to run GUIs on my linux boxen typically, but sometimes having a GUI to browse unfamiliar territory can be useful so yeah May 17 19:59:24 so that could be helpful for some, even on standard x86 linux systems May 17 19:59:45 soudns pretty cool :) May 17 20:01:30 riskable one o was just thinking of while gettign some food ( tongue in cheek) was a DT interactive getting started guide lol May 17 20:02:01 but yeah thats not necessarily anythignto do with gateone May 17 20:17:27 I need some help - trying to install software from called https://github.com/foosel/OctoPrint/wiki/Setup-on-a-Raspberry-Pi-running-Raspbian I was able it on a raspberrypi but I can't get installed on my BBB May 17 20:22:17 No help May 17 20:27:36 BBB is not a raspberrypi May 17 20:29:16 * Russ wonders how we got to this point in the conversation May 17 20:44:43 Well, setting aside the easy snark points May 17 20:45:43 It would be nice if it was easier for things to be shared May 17 21:01:22 share what sort of things? May 17 21:19:10 hmm I have teh dahmdest gaps in my linux knowlege. How would I find out which ssh server, or any other program is installed? Debian specifically. May 17 21:20:26 is dpkg -s my only options ? May 17 21:22:51 guess it'd be dpkg -l | grep May 17 21:47:08 m_billybob: the full angstrom compile definitely takes a while May 17 21:50:01 CalcMan, in my vm it took 3 days May 17 21:50:54 CalcMan also for what its worth, on regular hardware ( 2.13Ghz core 2 based system with 4GB ram ) it took 10 hours May 17 22:16:45 m_billybob: omg dude, that's crazy, I think I might be going faster May 17 22:17:31 win7 host, corei7, 16gb ram, in the ubuntu vm 4gb ram, 1 processor, 2 cores. also drive is a 500gb SSD May 17 22:21:38 CalcMan yeah that system i have doesnt have Intels VM acceleration. SO I could only use one core, plus the system only had 4GB total(max limited by chipset ) so yeah. May 17 22:21:46 cant expect too much from a budget laptop May 17 22:22:41 I just decided to dual boot. turns out it was easier than it used to be back in the XP days ( im using Win 7 too ) May 17 22:47:58 ds2: I assume you have worked out your staffing needs for makerfaire May 17 22:50:04 I think I may have compiled the wrong one to start with, i did beagleboard May 17 22:50:11 i'm redoing with beaglebone May 17 22:50:29 doing MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh bitbake systemd-image May 17 22:50:48 1951 of 3000 tasks done May 17 22:51:53 how much HDD should this take anyways? I only had 20gb in my VM, I had to jump out and resize up to 40gb cause I stalled out May 17 22:52:08 hopefully that left enough slack May 17 23:07:40 CalcMan i was told you need atleast 30GB HDD space May 17 23:07:59 CalcMan, what type of image do you want ? May 17 23:08:07 gnome desktop console or what ? May 17 23:09:17 systemmd is the base image i think. if you want a gnome desktop you need to compile one of those, but i think al images rely on systemmd so it wont hurt you to compile that one May 17 23:09:40 e.g. it'll cache the stuff done done on that build May 17 23:09:47 youve done* May 17 23:32:19 mrpackethead: do you deal with packets May 17 23:32:37 PRU_EVTOUT_2: in a previous life ye May 17 23:32:49 and still today, but to a lesser extent May 17 23:33:41 i was the head of the network professiinal services group for a large multinaitonal company in AsiaPacific May 17 23:34:16 my college, wo was the head of security services, gave me the name May 17 23:34:36 so what do you do these days? May 17 23:34:49 when somethign like, " hey, head of packet engineers, can you sort this out " May 17 23:34:50 beaglebone related? May 17 23:35:05 the reply was " that woudl mr head of packets to you " May 17 23:35:31 which was shortedn to "mrpackethead" and it stuck for may many years. May 17 23:36:20 PRU_EVTOUT_2: now, i own a company that makes shwo control systems and lighting May 17 23:36:38 I spend more time running the company and less time engineering now though May 17 23:36:59 oh, that sounds pretty interesting. May 17 23:37:40 i was wondering about that stuff not too long ago May 17 23:38:05 i got tired of Professional services consulting May 17 23:38:35 is most of that stuff off-the-shelf, with the custom stuff gluing it together? May 17 23:39:39 lighting controls, led backdrop displays, and whatnot? May 17 23:42:51 soem of it is off the shelf May 17 23:42:55 lots of it is custom May 17 23:43:11 though as much as we can, we customise exisiting stuff May 17 23:44:15 so how does the beaglebone fit into all of this? or are you just lonely? May 17 23:44:45 trying to use a beagelbone in a new product May 17 23:45:13 its providing a "mid sized" amount of compute power May 17 23:45:18 in a reletively easy to use format May 17 23:48:55 display driver? or is it secret? May 17 23:56:07 protocol conversion May 17 23:56:22 show record / playback May 17 23:56:25 time sync May 17 23:59:10 meh... cmake can certainly complicate the build process for cross compiling May 17 23:59:35 thurgood: cross compiling is something i need to undersrnad them May 18 01:20:49 hi, I think I may have killed the internal flash. the beaglebone black doesn May 18 01:20:56 *doesn't boot May 18 01:21:08 all I see is a bunch of "CCCCC" on my serial console May 18 01:21:28 any ideas what it might be? May 18 01:29:05 thurgood: I just came in to ask about cmake May 18 01:29:15 more specifically, is there a gui so i don't have to write this friggin crap by hand? May 18 01:29:42 the auto dependency stuff is absolute gibberish May 18 01:29:50 i jsut want a gui wher i can drag and drop files May 18 01:29:59 what are you trying o do with it, compile or make your own? May 18 01:30:09 just starting with it May 18 01:30:20 was writing my own makefiles, but realized i'm not in the 1980's anymore. May 18 01:31:04 all this text file stuff is totally insane. it's friggin 2013. May 18 01:31:22 I haven't written anything from scratch,just tweaked existing projects to work with the beagle/OE's bitbake system May 18 01:31:28 i'm installing kdevelop now. if i can't find anything, i'll just add the files to a kdevelop project and be done with it. May 18 01:31:50 it's such a joke that we still hand write all this crap. May 18 01:31:56 in a text editor. May 18 01:32:16 they're logical dependencies and whatnot...*absolutely* perfect task for a gui. May 18 01:32:33 if you're not distributing your project I would advise against cmake.... even ifyou are I would probably advise against it :P May 18 01:32:45 i'm up for any alternative. May 18 01:32:54 looks like kdevelop can use cmake or autotools. May 18 01:33:06 but, this is just an in house thing, so as long as it compiles. May 18 01:34:51 I use eclipse most of the time May 18 01:35:08 does it generate a makefile? May 18 01:35:31 cause i can't build on the machine i develop on. May 18 01:36:04 why can't you build on the same machine? May 18 01:36:52 cause i don't want to. i'm in the future. i put my source on a network drive. typing source code is completely unrelated to building source code in my world. May 18 01:37:35 ah so you have a build server, or similar? May 18 01:38:17 yeaoh May 18 01:38:32 and, sometimes i'm on my laptop, sometimes i'm at work. i don't like being bound to anything. May 18 01:38:45 i guess i'll give eclipse another go. May 18 01:38:52 it's totally broken for c++ at the moment though. May 18 01:39:03 can't rearrange project folders. May 18 01:39:15 i see there's a cmake plugin for it. May 18 01:48:04 awesome, netbeans can do it, but you have to tell it the source directories...so it completely ignores your project setup. May 18 01:48:06 sweet. May 18 01:50:06 nice, have to tell it the include directories too...uuuugghhh. May 18 01:50:10 some days i hate open source everything. May 18 01:52:16 hahah, ms got wise. apparently they had an "export to makefile", but removed it in version 7. May 18 01:52:33 so someone made a plugin, but it only works with 2010. May 18 01:53:55 so I think i've got systemd compiled, how do I turn the results into something on the sd card that can boot? May 18 02:07:20 searching for hand-written-makefile alternatives, it's crazy how fervently some people defend hand writing makefiles! May 18 02:39:15 PRU_EVTOUT_2 heh i know of atleast one in here and hes really good at it :) May 18 02:39:19 it aint me May 18 02:47:17 You alright Rick ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 18 02:59:58 2013