**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 18 02:59:58 2013
May 18 03:06:07 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> looks like scons is the solution.
May 18 03:06:11 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> err...sane.
May 18 03:11:08 <iRonManNCSU> does anyone know if the pre-baked Ubuntu for beaglebone has Cloud9 in it?
May 18 03:20:21 <m_billybob> iRonManNCSU i would think it should, but would have to ask Robert Nelson i think
May 18 03:22:34 <canadaduane_> Is there a way to copy the eMMC to the SD card, as a backup of what's on the device?
May 18 03:23:06 <m_billybob> canadaduane_ yes there is a solution on the groups
May 18 03:23:21 <canadaduane_> k, I'll search
May 18 03:23:24 <canadaduane_> thank you
May 18 03:23:33 <m_billybob> np
May 18 03:23:58 <iRonManNCSU> i just got by beagle bone... i eventually want to use a USB cam to do some computer vision stuff, but want to start out with a simpler project using the iO ports... what linux are people using on their beaglebone Blacks for this?
May 18 03:24:55 <m_billybob> if you want ease the production linux seeems to be angstrom
May 18 03:25:35 <m_billybob> but there are probably people using all flavors. debian utunu angstrom fedora sabayon gentoo . . .
May 18 03:25:41 <m_billybob> and i might have missed a couple
May 18 03:26:00 <iRonManNCSU> it looks like a lot of the angstrom binaries are compiled for armv7 not armv8... does this make a big difference?
May 18 03:26:31 <m_billybob> cortex A8 *is* armv7
May 18 03:26:41 <iRonManNCSU> oh.. that sort of makes sense...
May 18 03:26:55 <m_billybob> not really
May 18 03:27:04 <iRonManNCSU> ha
May 18 03:27:07 <m_billybob> rpi forinstance is armv11 i think
May 18 03:27:20 <iRonManNCSU> okay
May 18 03:27:30 <m_billybob> im not an expert so someone feel free to correct my ignorance
May 18 03:27:38 <iRonManNCSU> no arm stuff is weird
May 18 03:28:54 <m_billybob> well im constantly busy learnign new stuff so im apt to misremember minor details
May 18 03:30:24 <iRonManNCSU> once i start the development work, i don't plant to futz with the OS too much... i'm trying to find a solid/stable/optimized platform before I "dig in"
May 18 03:31:21 <canadaduane_> for anyone looking for the thread on backing up the eMMC, it's here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/beagleboard/mmcblk0$20black/beagleboard/vnXk58eMaPc/cfPHwM812rEJ (thx again to m_billybob)
May 18 03:32:43 <iRonManNCSU> looks like Robert Nelson is THE beaglebone linux guy...
May 18 03:35:25 <thurgood> I suppose if you want ubuntu
May 18 03:36:47 <iRonManNCSU> are there any good angstrom based distros designed for SD cards? the link from beaglebone.org seems to link to fairly outdated builds
May 18 03:47:40 <m_billybob> np canadaduane_
May 18 03:47:55 <m_billybob> having problems with second bone not showing up on the network not sure why
May 18 03:48:24 <m_billybob> changed bone name to something othe than default still doesnt work
May 18 03:48:51 <m_billybob> Anyone here have multiple bbb's on the same router ( local network ) ?
May 18 03:51:08 <Moult> hey all, i've got a servo i'd like to control with a bbb. anyone can point me in the right direction?
May 18 03:52:17 <m_billybob> Moult thats a rather broad question
May 18 03:52:46 <Moult> m_billybob: well, i'd like to send a signal to make it change rotation direction/velocity
May 18 03:56:15 <Moult> m_billybob: for example, i don't know what pin i should connect the signal to on the  bbb, and which mode it should be set to
May 18 03:57:16 <m_billybob> Moult, yeah I dont know enough about it to comment, software i might be able to dredge somthing up when im no otherwise occupied. but im not an EE
May 18 03:57:21 <m_billybob> I wouldnt want to steer you wrong
May 18 03:57:27 <Moult> m_billybob: neither :(
May 18 03:58:11 <m_billybob> like if i give you wrong link for software or somethign thats fine but tellign you to hook up hardware i know little about could be disasterous
May 18 03:58:20 <Ed22> I have ubuntu and uarts working on a SD image no S2 boot
May 18 03:58:27 <Ed22> took me forever but i posted files on   http://www.marchdvd.com/bbbk/
May 18 03:58:28 <Ed22> http://www.marchdvd.com/bbbk/
May 18 03:58:31 <Moult> m_billybob: yeah. i'm a software guy too
May 18 03:58:35 <m_billybob> Moult i think though most definately you're goign ot be lookign at PWM
May 18 03:59:13 <m_billybob> grats Ed22
May 18 03:59:37 <Ed22> sure enjoy!
May 18 03:59:47 * m_billybob is currently fighting second bbb not booting onto the local network
May 18 03:59:52 <Ed22> click on some ads and help me pay off my BBBK !! :)
May 18 03:59:53 <m_billybob> no idea why . . .
May 18 04:00:00 <m_billybob> heh im runing debian
May 18 04:01:28 <thurgood> damnit.. ac went out :/
May 18 04:02:48 <m_billybob> glad we're offgrid :)
May 18 04:06:59 <thurgood> doesn't work so well in central texas
May 18 04:10:12 <Ed22> does nayone have a device tree for Analog and harts at the same time ?
May 18 04:19:05 <prpplague> Analog and harts?
May 18 04:19:30 <prpplague> sounds like a cheesy cop show on NBC
May 18 04:19:47 <Ed22> Hi Router I have Ubuntu with Analog and Uarts   http://www.marchdvd.com/bbbk/    SD images posted here
May 18 04:27:01 <hahahu> is anyone here?
May 18 04:28:14 <dm8tbr> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
May 18 04:28:29 <hahahu> win8 64-bit can Install beaglebone driver?
May 18 04:31:36 <dm8tbr> which beaglebone?
May 18 04:31:41 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hahahu: http://bit.ly/112M98I
May 18 04:32:45 <dm8tbr> http://www.mcu-turkey.com/arduino-windows-8de-driver-problemi-cozumu/
May 18 04:36:06 <ka6sox> howdy dm8tbr
May 18 04:36:15 <ka6sox> either you are a fast flyer or you are home :)
May 18 04:36:15 <dm8tbr> sup
May 18 04:36:21 <dm8tbr> sadly home :(
May 18 04:36:34 <ka6sox> rats...
May 18 04:36:36 <ka6sox> maybe next time
May 18 04:36:37 <dm8tbr> yup
May 18 04:37:13 <ka6sox> I'm still driving up at 0:dark:30
May 18 04:38:53 <ka6sox> I have to see what it takes to upgrade my prusa V2 to a V3
May 18 04:40:21 <dm8tbr> enjoy the trip, I'm sure it will be very interesting
May 18 04:41:13 <sns> hello
May 18 04:41:29 <ka6sox> Bringing kj6zrt with em
May 18 04:41:31 <ka6sox> er me
May 18 05:09:36 <ds2> ka6sox: ping
May 18 05:15:51 <ka6sox> ds2, I'm here :)
May 18 05:16:18 <ka6sox> but about to go to bed as I have to leave @ 0:dark:30
May 18 05:25:52 * m_billybob pokes Rick
May 18 05:45:45 <Moult> i'm attempting http://robotcarlambo.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/gpio-on-beaglebone-blinking-leds.html with the bbb but can't get an led to turn off. any ideas what's wrong with it?
May 18 05:53:40 <rushikesh988> Moult: don't know
May 18 05:56:43 <Moult> hmm, odd, after reading this: http://raspberryalphaomega.org.uk/?p=843 i tried using P8_12 and that worked flawlessly
May 18 05:58:00 <Moult> i wonder why P8_3 didn't work
May 18 06:05:27 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> is it muxed for gpio?
May 18 06:06:23 <Moult> PRU_EVTOUT_2: maybe i need to  check that
May 18 06:06:28 <Moult> PRU_EVTOUT_2: by the way, do you know which pin i can use if i wanted to send a signal to a servo?
May 18 06:07:26 <Moult> PRU_EVTOUT_2: also, isn't the default mode mode7?
May 18 06:08:58 <Moult> i don't seem to have a /sys/class/pwm
May 18 06:09:37 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> there's a list of default pin mux on beagleboard.org
May 18 06:09:43 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> but...it looks like the webpage is broken.
May 18 06:11:11 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pretty sure there's a pwm pin to use, by default, and you can use analogWrite bonescript.
May 18 06:13:46 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm sure a list came with the reference manual though.
May 18 06:16:07 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> trying it on my bbb (that i've never updated and is very out of date), doesn't look like analogWrite works. so i'm not sure.
May 18 06:17:12 <m_billybob> im still learnign this stuff but isnt there some device tree string or command you have to echo into the /dev/class directory ?
May 18 06:17:19 <m_billybob> was reading that on the groups
May 18 06:17:47 <m_billybob> on debian with my bbb i have a /dev/class/pwm path, but its empty
May 18 06:18:29 <m_billybob> the i2c path does seem to be populated though
May 18 06:21:35 <KotH> grüezi
May 18 06:24:38 <dm8tbr> a lovely saturday morning jihad to you too
May 18 06:25:07 <KotH> thanks, i hope you woke up with a godly revelation yourself :)
May 18 06:25:37 <KotH> dm8tbr, av500: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOXwTGFx_8k
May 18 06:27:37 <dm8tbr> OMFG
May 18 06:28:52 <dm8tbr> 1200ecu, the fool and his money are easily parted
May 18 06:31:44 <_av500_> KotH: that is why I bring my own bar code stickers to the store
May 18 06:32:51 <dm8tbr> _av500_: and that helps to save money too!
May 18 06:33:58 * dm8tbr should offer that on ebay, a 'specially engineered barcode' that neutralizes things and by pure luck happens to be identical with a very common and very expensive product
May 18 06:35:43 <dm8tbr> pack of hundred barcodes, just 200ecu
May 18 06:43:22 <mru> KotH: omg
May 18 06:54:11 <bb> anyone who could help me to communicate  webcam to bb
May 18 06:54:17 <bb> please its very urgent
May 18 06:54:32 <KotH> it's caturday. nothing is urgent
May 18 06:54:50 <m_billybob> idk could be for his thesis lol
May 18 06:54:56 <KotH> beside, webcam problems do not belong to #beagle
May 18 06:55:01 <dm8tbr> omgz deadlinez!
May 18 06:55:08 <m_billybob> in which case sure that'll be $1000 USD up front thanks
May 18 06:55:18 <dm8tbr> Hire me. My rate would be onehundredandfifty an hour. Plus VAT and expenses. Four hours minimum. Dollars for small problems, Euros for big problems. British Pounds for management problems.
May 18 06:55:32 <Shadyman> lulz
May 18 06:55:39 <bb> i want to take video input from webcam and process it on beagleboard
May 18 06:55:42 <KotH> dm8tbr: that sound vaguely familiar
May 18 06:55:45 * dm8tbr loves his '/rate' alias he stole from vowe.net
May 18 06:55:51 <dm8tbr> KotH: vowe.net FAQ
May 18 06:56:24 <bb> people here help others
May 18 06:56:29 <bb> not charge them
May 18 06:56:52 <m_billybob> yeah well we're serious too.
May 18 06:57:02 <KotH> no, we charge people to help them, because we need money to feed our hungry children
May 18 06:57:15 <bb> then sorry i don't want hav money to pay
May 18 06:57:16 <KotH> ok.. actually we need the money to feed av500's hungry children
May 18 06:57:24 <m_billybob> yeah children must grown up big and strong for the JIHAD !
May 18 06:57:37 <bb> i would prefer free help from people who want to help
May 18 06:58:04 <Shadyman> bb: Sounds like a job for OpenCV
May 18 06:58:15 <Shadyman> beyond that, I know nothing.
May 18 06:58:34 <mrpackethead> ding.
May 18 06:59:21 <_av500_> bb: try stating a problem
May 18 06:59:27 <bb> well do u hav any idea as to how to get video output of camera displayed on screen?
May 18 06:59:29 <_av500_> what you did and what failed
May 18 06:59:32 <m_billybob> bb, read the topic. apply said topic to discussion ;)
May 18 06:59:39 <_av500_> bb: try cheese
May 18 07:00:05 <mrpackethead> _av500_: KotH will suggest chococlate is better, mranostay will suggest beer.
May 18 07:00:31 <bb> cheese is not installing on beagleboard
May 18 07:01:20 <dm8tbr> that depends on what you run on it
May 18 07:01:22 <bb> any command which can tell linux running on beagleboard to open video output from camera?
May 18 07:01:38 <bb> has anyone worked on it before?
May 18 07:01:48 <m_billybob> was a post on the groups about it
May 18 07:01:59 <bb> previous xperience people pls help me
May 18 07:02:06 <m_billybob> could try searchin the groups. not sure it was beagleboard specific
May 18 07:02:27 <bb> give me link
May 18 07:02:30 <mrpackethead> bb: is'nt this assingment due tommorrow?
May 18 07:03:11 <m_billybob> msp430 forums had a post thats starting to sound very similar to this request
May 18 07:03:45 <m_billybob> "halp me make msp430 launchpad and xxxx controller talk CAN for my thesis project .  .."
May 18 07:03:59 <mranostay> they make chocolate beer.. so no need for a jihad
May 18 07:04:10 <KotH> ugh..
May 18 07:04:14 <dm8tbr> I prefer caffeinated stout
May 18 07:04:18 <KotH> who did come up with that abomination?
May 18 07:04:37 <bb> are there people here who are serious about helping others or no?
May 18 07:05:09 <bvb> i support bb
May 18 07:06:30 <KotH> bb: well.. 1) you did not do your homework, 2) you did not try do to it yourself either, 3) you did not google 4) you expect us to help a lazy fart to do his homework just because we are good people? 4) in what fantasy world do you live?
May 18 07:06:42 <KotH> damn.. too early to count correctly
May 18 07:07:05 <mranostay> some of us are exiting soberland too
May 18 07:07:17 <KotH> oh..
May 18 07:07:23 <m_billybob> and yet others of us are abotu to hit the sack.
May 18 07:07:23 <KotH> mranostay: still friday overthere?
May 18 07:07:31 <bb> who told KotH is good?!
May 18 07:07:37 <bb> totally bad
May 18 07:07:42 <mranostay> saturday now
May 18 07:07:44 * dm8tbr knows koth is very good
May 18 07:07:56 * dm8tbr would hire koth if he needed his expertise
May 18 07:08:11 <KotH> dm8tbr: expertise in the consumption of large amounts of chocolate? ;)
May 18 07:08:18 <dm8tbr> yes, that too
May 18 07:08:33 <dm8tbr> don't forget to remind me before the next event ;)
May 18 07:08:42 <KotH> i will :)
May 18 07:08:47 <mranostay> i cut the line at donut beer
May 18 07:08:59 <bb> dm8tbr & KotH stop flirting around here
May 18 07:09:09 <mranostay> oregon will brew anything
May 18 07:09:23 <KotH> mranostay: good thing i dont drink beer
May 18 07:09:39 <dm8tbr> awwwwwww
May 18 07:09:52 <mrpackethead> bb what sort of creature are you?
May 18 07:10:02 <dm8tbr> an lazy indian student creature
May 18 07:10:06 <mranostay> ok fine more for me
May 18 07:10:14 <mrpackethead> you certainly are not troll, hobbit or elf.
May 18 07:10:21 <mranostay> +1
May 18 07:10:27 <dm8tbr> (whois helps, oh and he rage quit already)
May 18 07:11:10 <mrpackethead> KotH: you have to help people.
May 18 07:11:23 <mranostay> people are overrated
May 18 07:11:24 <mrpackethead> i am arranging a duty roster now
May 18 07:11:30 <KotH> mrpackethead: i help people where i can... and where i think it makes sense
May 18 07:11:43 <mrpackethead> we'll take volenters, for "dumb question duty"
May 18 07:11:54 <KotH> mrpackethead: helping someone who is too lazy to try solving his own problems does not make sense
May 18 07:12:17 * KotH doesnt mind dumb questions
May 18 07:12:25 * KotH minds people who expect others to do their work
May 18 07:12:29 <dm8tbr> +1
May 18 07:12:37 <dm8tbr> oh, this is not g+...
May 18 08:58:40 <cityLights> how to run a upnp render on the black device?
May 18 08:58:57 <cityLights> or, how to run xbmc, as it is a upnp render
May 18 08:59:24 <cityLights> 2. after upgrading to 3.8.18 kerenl X doewnt show up any more
May 18 09:02:41 <mrpackethead> Any smarty here know what the serial debug port com settings are set to by default in the as supplied angstrom
May 18 09:03:31 <dm8tbr> cityLights: bbb is not the ideal platform for xbmc
May 18 09:05:16 <cityLights> ok thanks
May 18 09:05:48 <cityLights> now for the upgrade issues: 1. why does upgrading the kerenel stops X from appearing on my screen?
May 18 09:10:14 <dm8tbr> cityLights: no idea, I just know, that 'opkg update' should be used more carfully than 'apt-get upgrade'
May 18 09:10:53 <mrpackethead> dm8tbr: have you tryed using teh debug port?
May 18 09:14:10 <dm8tbr> don't have a BBB (yet)
May 18 09:15:05 <risc> hi guys - quick question, are any BSDs up and running on the black yet?  I've been looking on google and can't seem to find any.  Cheers!
May 18 09:18:10 <cityLights> dm8tbr: what do you mean by "should be used more carfully"?
May 18 09:22:04 <mrpackethead> another doco drama perhaps
May 18 09:22:19 <mrpackethead> i'm getting gibberish from the console
May 18 09:24:03 <dm8tbr> cityLights: https://plus.google.com/118008444439748692869/posts/ddAC1GqXtAH
May 18 09:26:38 <kfoltman> dm8tbr: if you plan to use opkg  update, make sure you have a microsd card with original image :S I'm also in the "opkg update broke my BBB OS install" category. So now I'm using a minimal buildroot-generated "distro" instead - which was the original plan anyway.
May 18 09:36:39 <dm8tbr> kfoltman: yes, that's what I meant. I hope citylights understood that before he quit
May 18 09:51:05 <fedlap> hello, has anyone tried to use BeagleBone (white) with LCD7 and RS232 cape?
May 18 10:13:30 <KotH> fedlap: probably
May 18 10:13:35 <KotH> fedlap: what's your prob?
May 18 10:23:08 <fedlap> data don't seem to arrive at cape, like if there was a short circuit on transmit or receive pin
May 18 10:23:34 <fedlap> if i install the rs232 with a lcd3 cape it works fine
May 18 10:23:42 <fedlap> but with lcd7 it won't
May 18 10:25:55 <fedlap> I used default UART2 on rs232 cape for tx and rx, SW1 is set to 1:On, 2:Off
May 18 10:26:18 <fedlap> On LCD7 SW1 is set to 1:On, 2:On
May 18 10:26:38 <fedlap> May that be a problem?
May 18 10:28:09 <KotH> check whether lcd7 uses different pins and whether those collide with the rs232 cape
May 18 10:30:59 <channa> hello
May 18 10:31:46 <channa> can any body provide me link for development envoirment for beagle board
May 18 10:31:49 <channa> ?
May 18 10:32:30 <dm8tbr> depends entirely on you, which distribution you'll run, which kind of software, etc.
May 18 10:32:41 <dm8tbr> just think of it as a linux computer first
May 18 10:33:08 <KotH> later you can think of it as a plattform for which you cross comiple
May 18 10:33:18 <KotH> channa: google for embedded linux, the rest follows from there
May 18 10:35:14 <KotH> does anyone have a good aspargus receipt that would go with coregonus filet?
May 18 10:39:17 <dm8tbr> KotH: I'd give you a receipt if you gave me a recipe ;)
May 18 10:39:54 <KotH> ^^'
May 18 10:40:03 <KotH> still too early on caturday!
May 18 10:40:18 <dm8tbr> meow
May 18 10:40:40 <dm8tbr> time to take a walk, stretch, chill out and play some ingress
May 18 10:41:02 <KotH> whats this ingress thing?
May 18 10:41:16 <KotH> last weekend a couple of people were talking about that.. didnt get what it was
May 18 11:02:36 <fedlap> KotH, i've checked the schematics for rs232 and lcd7 cape and the only collision i can see is if i would use uart5...any ideas? are there any known issues?
May 18 11:02:59 <KotH> sorry, nope
May 18 11:03:21 <fedlap> k, thx anyway
May 18 11:04:04 <KotH> fedlap: poke our cape master mranostay, when he is sober again
May 18 11:04:17 <fedlap> k, thx :)
May 18 11:19:38 <janne> KotH: ingress is an augmented reality game. when you see small groups of people walking cirles while starring on their phones/tablets they are probably playing ingress
May 18 11:20:10 <SpeedEvil> you gain extra points by inducing people to walk into things.
May 18 11:21:59 <JoeCoolDesk> Is the Black arduino compatible?
May 18 11:24:18 <KotH> depends on your definition of compatible
May 18 11:24:26 <KotH> janne: ah.. nothing serious then...
May 18 11:24:38 <JoeCoolDesk> KotH, running ardupilot
May 18 11:24:54 * KotH has no idea what ardupilot is
May 18 11:25:03 <JoeCoolDesk> Arduino software
May 18 11:25:11 <KotH> i guessed that much
May 18 11:25:37 <KotH> theoretically, it should be possible to run anything you can run on arduino on the black
May 18 11:25:48 <KotH> practically, you might need to port the software first
May 18 11:26:07 <KotH> realistically, run linux on the black and be happy with it
May 18 11:26:16 <JoeCoolDesk> Anyone ever make their own Beagle boards?
May 18 11:26:32 <KotH> capes? or the board itself?
May 18 11:26:39 <JoeCoolDesk> The baord itself.
May 18 11:27:19 <KotH> doestn make sense
May 18 11:27:43 <KotH> producing the board itself in single pieces costs multiple times more than you pay for a black
May 18 11:27:51 <JoeCoolDesk> People make their own Arduino boards all the time.
May 18 11:27:55 <KotH> yeah..
May 18 11:28:11 <KotH> but those arduino boards use DIL sized parts, not FBGAs
May 18 11:28:24 <SpeedEvil> there are other autopoklots
May 18 11:28:38 <SpeedEvil> open pilot
May 18 11:29:07 <KotH> JoeCoolDesk: i know only one guy who can successfully solder an FBGA by hand
May 18 11:29:26 <KotH> and he does it in less than a minute ^^'
May 18 11:29:37 <fedlap> KotH, i was able to "fix" the rs232 problem :)
May 18 11:29:43 <KotH> fedlap: what was it?
May 18 11:29:46 <JoeCoolDesk> I didn't say HAND make
May 18 11:29:48 <JoeCoolDesk> I just said make.
May 18 11:30:03 <fedlap> i don't know exactly :D
May 18 11:30:19 <KotH> JoeCoolDesk: uhm.. do you have an idea how much letting produce a board of the complexity of a beagle costs?
May 18 11:30:25 <fedlap> there are two slots on the lcd7 cape, one says for capes and the other for bone
May 18 11:30:27 <KotH> JoeCoolDesk: just NRE, not the production cost itself
May 18 11:30:44 <JoeCoolDesk> Letting produce?  What like a bunch of lettuce or somethin?
May 18 11:30:46 <JoeCoolDesk> tss
May 18 11:31:07 <KotH> fedlap: let me guess, you used the wrong one? :)
May 18 11:31:24 <fedlap> no, i'm using the wrong one now :D
May 18 11:31:30 <KotH> eh...
May 18 11:31:45 <KotH> what is wrong and what is right lies in the eye of the beholder :)
May 18 11:31:50 <JoeCoolDesk> As long as it's under 1000 dollars it's alright.
May 18 11:32:02 * KotH lols
May 18 11:32:09 <KotH> JoeCoolDesk: you have no idea....
May 18 11:32:09 <fedlap> at first i had the rs232 cape on the slot, where it says for capes ;)
May 18 11:32:48 <fedlap> and then i tried to fit the rs232 cape to the beaglebone and plug both into the beaglebone slot
May 18 11:33:47 <fedlap> i tried a few things then, but now it's working with beaglebone and cape in the same slot ;)
May 18 11:35:05 <fedlap> do you agree, that placing the rs232 cape into the slot for beaglebone is wrong? ;)
May 18 11:35:41 <KotH> why should be wrong, if it works? :)
May 18 11:36:58 <KotH> anyways.. gotta go and spend some money
May 18 11:37:07 <SpeedEvil> JoeCoolDesk: http://www.mauve.plus.com/opensourcehw.txt
May 18 11:37:07 <fedlap> k, cya and thx
May 18 11:37:28 <SpeedEvil> on why hardware is hard and expensive in ways software isn't
May 18 11:37:57 <SpeedEvil> in short - a thousand dollars may be optimistic
May 18 11:38:35 <KotH> SpeedEvil: 1k is usually just the NRE for a board of the bbb class
May 18 11:38:42 <KotH> SpeedEvil: no parts, no pcb included
May 18 11:39:21 <SpeedEvil> quite, see above
May 18 11:39:31 * KotH knows
May 18 11:39:51 * KotH does low volume electronics of varying complexity for a living
May 18 11:40:14 <SpeedEvil> I wrote this after the hundredth time people seemed not to understand that open source hardware isn't quite the same
May 18 11:40:30 <JoeCoolDesk> SpeedEvil, nothing I didn't expect.
May 18 11:40:50 <SpeedEvil> for arduino class, its not that bad
May 18 11:41:03 <JoeCoolDesk> This isn't just a hobby for me.
May 18 11:41:20 <SpeedEvil> there is worthwhile stuff you can do for $10 investment
May 18 11:41:56 <JoeCoolDesk> Obviously I'm not Samsung, I'm not about to make 100,000 of something
May 18 11:42:05 <JoeCoolDesk> And that's a drop in the bucket
May 18 11:42:11 <JoeCoolDesk> (for them)
May 18 11:42:25 <SpeedEvil> and of course, if you do have a production shop on hand, the costs change a bit
May 18 11:42:33 <JoeCoolDesk> But a couple hundred a year sounds good.
May 18 11:42:48 <JoeCoolDesk> For a 20,000 investment
May 18 11:45:22 <KotH> for 20k, you might get 100 boards, maybe 200 if you are lucky and production and chips are cheap
May 18 11:45:49 <JoeCoolDesk> 20,000 investment not including on-going costs.
May 18 11:46:12 <JoeCoolDesk> So small chips on the scheme of things but not just tooling around the the garage here.
May 18 11:46:44 <KotH> 20k investment? including design or just production?
May 18 11:46:56 <KotH> for production NRE it is more than enough
May 18 11:47:06 <KotH> for design, prolly not
May 18 11:47:21 <JoeCoolDesk> Koth, humor me.
May 18 11:47:25 <JoeCoolDesk> King of the Hill?
May 18 11:47:31 <KotH> hire me ;)
May 18 11:47:44 <JoeCoolDesk> Where are you located?
May 18 11:47:49 <JoeCoolDesk> You can PM me
May 18 11:47:54 <KotH> cocolate country
May 18 11:48:14 <KotH> not to be confused with sweeden
May 18 11:48:30 <JoeCoolDesk>    I think you mean Switzerland
May 18 11:48:38 <KotH> i think you are right
May 18 11:48:43 <SpeedEvil> Belgium?
May 18 11:49:02 <KotH> belgium doesnt have good chocolate... they have decent pralines, but that's about it
May 18 11:49:16 <JoeCoolDesk> Have you ever had American chocolate?
May 18 11:49:31 <KotH> yes
May 18 11:49:33 <KotH> thanks, no thanks
May 18 11:49:43 <KotH> it's even worse than japanese chocolate
May 18 11:49:44 <SpeedEvil> eww
May 18 11:49:45 <JoeCoolDesk> Doesn't it taste like vomit?
May 18 11:50:13 <SpeedEvil> no, HFCS
May 18 11:50:26 <KotH> quality wise it's close to the ukrainian i got, that the guy who got it for me described as "we use it as cement replacemnet"
May 18 11:51:27 <KotH> wel.. now i really gtg... bbl
May 18 11:51:36 <JoeCoolDesk> You never answered me,.
May 18 12:15:03 <Sophira> Hiya.
May 18 12:15:44 <Sophira> My BeagleBone Black has just shipped, and I have a question for you guys. What capacity of microSD card do you reckon would be best for it?
May 18 12:19:43 <SpeedEvil> 256 meg
May 18 12:20:29 <Sophira> :P
May 18 12:21:45 <Sophira> I figured you guys would probably have experience with what an optimal capacity might be. I was thinking 8GB or 16GB, but just wanted to know how much was recommended.
May 18 12:22:47 <Sophira> I mean, perhaps that's too large, especially considering it can boot from its own 2GB memory.
May 18 12:23:27 <SpeedEvil> it depends what your doing with it
May 18 12:23:42 <SpeedEvil> having a couple of cards can add flexibility
May 18 12:23:52 <SpeedEvil> especially if one dies
May 18 12:24:07 <SpeedEvil> but if you are using it to store media, you may need lots.
May 18 12:24:18 <SpeedEvil> for a microwave oven controller, not so much
May 18 12:27:20 <Sophira> Okay.
May 18 12:28:55 <SpeedEvil> also, SD cards halve in price per year
May 18 12:29:00 <SpeedEvil> (ish)
May 18 12:49:04 <aleek> hi! Anybody know if I can use DSP in beagle-xm to process several streams at one time?
May 18 12:49:18 <aleek> in other words, is it multitasking?
May 18 12:49:44 <dm8tbr> it's a C6xx dsp, I hear there is documentation for it
May 18 12:50:24 <aleek> rtfm you say?:D
May 18 12:50:52 <dm8tbr> sort of. at least I don't know the answer
May 18 12:54:18 <Sophira> Does the BeagleBone Black support microSDXC cards?
May 18 13:03:34 <Ed237> If any one needs Uarts enabled on Ubuntu that boots from SD without S2 I have Images files
May 18 13:03:40 <Ed237> I posted them on  http://www.marchdvd.com/bbbk/
May 18 13:04:11 <dm8tbr> Sophira: I'd expect so, just reformat from exfat to something sensible
May 18 13:31:51 <Ed237> I have Ubuntu SD images with no S2 needed to boot and working Uarts
May 18 13:32:06 <Ed237> sd images I posted them on  http://www.marchdvd.com/bbbk/
May 18 13:37:42 <jharvey> I would like to use a USB hub and USB drive to load files onto my BeagleBone, can someone point me to a tutorial on how to do this?
May 18 13:38:03 <Ed237> yes usb drive and making sd images ?
May 18 13:38:17 <Ed237> jharv -- Mac Pc linux what os ?
May 18 13:39:20 <jharvey> I'm not looking for info on making the SD image, but on using a USB drive to transfer files to the BeagleBone, like media files to be played on the BB.
May 18 13:39:46 <Ed237> well the eMMC is two partitions   FAT32 and ext4 right??
May 18 13:40:12 <Ed237> you can put in a usb connector to the BBBK and you will see teh smaller 75 meg drive partition mounted
May 18 13:40:20 <Ed237> so you can copy files that way
May 18 13:40:32 <jharvey> I know that. That is not what I am trying to do.
May 18 13:40:37 <Ed237> another way is to use   scpy
May 18 13:40:50 <jharvey> I want to connect a USB drive to my BeagleBone.
May 18 13:40:53 <Ed237> ok -- what r u trying to do ? sorry
May 18 13:41:13 <jharvey> Let me explain a bit  more.
May 18 13:41:26 <jharvey> I have connected a USB hub to my BB for mouse and keyboard.
May 18 13:41:57 <jharvey> I would like to be able to plug a USB drive into the hub for file transfers, but the BB does not seem to recognize the USB drive.'
May 18 13:42:11 <jharvey> Perhaps I need drivers for linux?
May 18 13:42:27 <Ed237> yes probably noy there is no  USB/MSD  (msd=Mass Storage Device) driver loaded ...
May 18 13:43:07 <jharvey> Ok, that's what I thought. Is there a tutorial, or link to the drivers? I'm a bit of noob with Linux.
May 18 13:43:20 <Ed237> you can look for a  MSD
May 18 13:43:20 <Ed237> http://www.one-eyed-alien.net/~mdharm/linux-usb/
May 18 13:44:10 <jharvey> Thnks for the link, I'll start there.
May 18 13:44:20 <Ed237> more relavant link   http://www.lvr.com/beagleboard.htm
May 18 13:44:35 <jharvey> Ok, great.
May 18 13:44:48 <Ed237> non black and non bone -- this is BOARD based article   http://www.lvr.com/access_usb_devices_from_linux.htm
May 18 13:45:26 <jharvey> I'll check that out too. I've only had the Bone for a couple of days and I am behind the learning curve.
May 18 13:46:08 <Ed237> I just bought a black -- was disappointed to find no uarts and not bb compatable sd images -- black is a bit differnet less $$ only $45 and has video
May 18 13:46:36 <Ed237> so i poted Ubuntu files for it ater hours of frustration getting all the packages !!
May 18 13:47:17 <Ed237> if yo uever get a black try teh ubuntu images i posted  @    http://marchdvd.com/bbbk/
May 18 13:47:31 <jharvey> Does the black come with the Angstrom disribution like the Bone?
May 18 13:47:51 <jharvey> I have thought about changing to Ubuntu on the Bone also.
May 18 13:47:52 <Ed237> yes Angstrom  and node.js
May 18 13:48:13 <Ed237> in not fond of node.js @ all !!! i use  ligHTTPD & php5
May 18 13:49:05 <Ed237> The gpio was hidden too much from user space and only tied into node.js  -- i wanted to do come C++ and user space gpio like a BBB does so well
May 18 13:50:30 <Ed237> gotta run and eat breakfast --- see ya Jharv
May 18 13:51:32 <jharvey> thanks for the help
May 18 15:13:20 <DartVader> i'm confused how the hell to do this with widget library
May 18 15:14:10 <bignick> how to get the angstrom on BB to recognize my Tp-linkwireless adapter?
May 18 15:15:15 <dm8tbr> bignick: check if the kernel module for the chipset is there and if the firmware is there
May 18 15:16:09 <bignick> you mean in the lib files in the BB?
May 18 15:18:09 <bignick> i downloaded some modules files that were suposed to be for this adapter
May 18 15:18:18 <bignick> and ran the configure file
May 18 15:18:27 <bignick> but still no recognition
May 18 16:15:25 <harshadura> hi
May 18 16:23:53 <ZubairLK> Hi
May 18 16:28:26 <astropirate> Hello friends
May 18 16:28:42 <astropirate> I want to play around with beagleboard
May 18 16:28:48 <astropirate> but have no ideas what i want to make :\
May 18 16:30:02 <ZubairLK> Do you have an academic project coming up where you can use the beagleboard? That could be easy to start with
May 18 16:30:41 <astropirate> ZubairLK: nope
May 18 16:31:06 <astropirate> i'm done with acadamia, i want to make something interesting... but don't know yet
May 18 16:31:29 <ZubairLK> I think you should start with an idea first.Then use the beagleboard if applicable.
May 18 16:31:30 <astropirate> currently i'm thinking of attaching a camera to it and do facial recognation
May 18 16:31:47 <astropirate> haha
May 18 16:31:49 <astropirate> you are right
May 18 16:31:55 <astropirate> but i want to play with this board :D
May 18 16:31:58 <ZubairLK> And if you haven't bought one, I'd recommend getting the Beaglebone Black.
May 18 16:32:16 <astropirate> aye thats the one I was going to get
May 18 16:33:13 <astropirate> maybe i ca look at lifehacker or soemthign for ideas
May 18 16:33:32 <ZubairLK> good luck finding it in stock :)
May 18 16:34:03 <astropirate> sold out?!
May 18 16:34:36 <ZubairLK> Hmm. if you want to play around. I'd suggest attaching some storage and make a media server like XMBC out of it.
May 18 16:35:03 <ZubairLK> that'll get you started somewhere. And if you can keep it live. it'll be a handy item to keep even :)
May 18 16:36:05 <ZubairLK> You'll find it.
May 18 16:36:28 <astropirate> that sounds like more of a software project :p  more than playing around with the hardware
May 18 16:36:35 <astropirate> hm
May 18 16:36:52 <astropirate> i need a semi-transparent LCD screen
May 18 16:40:04 <ZubairLK> hardware. hmm.. operate that media server using gesture recognition using a camera module. :p
May 18 17:07:11 <kfoltman> Are there any known issues with disconnecting/reconnecting USB devices on Beaglebone Black?
May 18 17:08:53 <kfoltman> (as in, http://pastebin.com/UCCSyx3X )
May 18 18:22:53 <fiola> kfoltman: I think it was yesterday that a dev mentioned here that there were such issues noted in replugging USB drives, and that a likely fix was already made and coming out in next release.
May 18 19:03:48 <kfoltman> just for the record, the issue seems to affect device connection/disconnection in general, including things like HID devices and MIDI interfaces
May 18 20:02:08 <mrpackethead> mmm, thats fast
May 18 20:02:23 <mrpackethead> the BCC cape PCB's will be ready on Monday.
May 18 20:02:34 <mrpackethead> ka6sox-away: pcbs not far way
May 18 20:28:25 <kfoltman> mrpackethead: the FPGA cape? will it be available as an assembled PCB?
May 18 20:39:42 <mrpackethead> no.
May 18 20:39:52 <mrpackethead> kfoltman: it on the pcb.
May 18 20:40:19 <mrpackethead> i'm only running them up so we can have a play with them
May 18 20:40:27 <mrpackethead> and there are spare pcbs
May 18 20:41:03 <mrpackethead> kfoltman: would you like it as a an assemlbed thing?
May 18 20:46:53 <kfoltman> mrpackethead: I certainly wouldn't dare to solder an FPGA with my shaky wooden hands. But, on the other hand, "this is a cool product" vs "I would buy it" vs "I would buy it and learn VHDL or Verilog and do something worthwhile with it" - you know.
May 18 20:47:19 <kfoltman> product/project
May 18 20:47:37 <mrpackethead> kfoltman:  The IC is a TQFP, so its doable.
May 18 20:47:45 <mrpackethead> but i can understnad the hesitation
May 18 20:47:55 <mrpackethead> the part is $12
May 18 21:01:49 * Russ watches a b-25 fly over
May 18 21:03:25 <m_billybob> ah the goog ole mitchell
May 18 21:03:36 * mrpackethead watches gooble-de-gook
May 18 21:03:40 <m_billybob> good too
May 18 21:03:42 <Russ> pretty sure it was 'photo fanny'
May 18 21:04:02 <m_billybob> from travis ?
May 18 21:04:19 <Russ> chino
May 18 21:04:31 * m_billybob was born on travis
May 18 21:04:36 <Russ> http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6603465&nseq=3
May 18 21:04:40 <m_billybob> yeah been long time since ive been
May 18 21:06:06 <m_billybob> wow thats much cleaner than the last one ive seen in person, though last wwii bomber ive sen i think was a liberator
May 18 21:06:22 <mrpackethead> this damn serial port
May 18 21:06:30 <mrpackethead> its annoying me
May 18 21:06:46 <Russ> m_billybob, its one used in a lot of movies, so they keep it looking good
May 18 21:07:11 <m_billybob> ah
May 18 21:08:05 <m_billybob> liberator I saw i think was in montgomery alabama. it had all the original guns and paint on it
May 18 21:08:31 <mrpackethead> what speed woudl it be set to
May 18 21:08:48 <m_billybob> but my dad was in the airforce when i ws born and for a while after. me im ex army lol
May 18 21:09:28 <m_billybob> but i used to draw all those planes as a kid, my dad would buy me books all the time
May 18 21:10:02 * mrpackethead ex civial contractor.. 
May 18 21:10:12 <m_billybob> which serial mrpackethead ?
May 18 21:10:18 <m_billybob> the debug header serial ?
May 18 21:10:22 <mrpackethead> yup
May 18 21:10:38 <m_billybob> 1158000 i think ? /me checks
May 18 21:10:39 <mrpackethead> the docs say 115200, 8N!
May 18 21:10:47 <m_billybob> ya thats it
May 18 21:10:53 <mrpackethead> doe'snt work.
May 18 21:11:14 <m_billybob> can you get into file system at all ?
May 18 21:11:48 <m_billybob> and whcih distro does it have on it ?
May 18 21:12:06 <m_billybob> to check if . . .
May 18 21:12:08 <m_billybob> Add at end of file:
May 18 21:12:08 <m_billybob> /etc/inittab
May 18 21:12:08 <m_billybob> T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyO0 115200 vt102
May 18 21:12:25 <m_billybob> thats for debian, theres different instructions for ububntu and not sure what angstrom needs
May 18 21:14:41 <kfoltman> mrpackethead: I'm using 115200 8N1 and it works... do you get line noise or nothing at all?
May 18 21:15:12 <mrpackethead> im getting corrupted characters
May 18 21:15:23 <mrpackethead> when you restart, you get strings of data
May 18 21:15:32 <m_billybob> ah thats common try presssing crtl D
May 18 21:16:52 <m_billybob> someone suggested that on the groups this morning as a possible fix or workaround
May 18 21:16:55 <mrpackethead> just occured to me.
May 18 21:16:59 <m_billybob> suposed to refresh the terminal i think
May 18 21:17:06 <mrpackethead> that this port is TTL level
May 18 21:17:33 <mrpackethead> my serial port is RS232
May 18 21:17:50 <kfoltman> mrpackethead: I'm using it with a cheapo USB-to-TTL-RS232 thingy (a bare PCB with USB plug and a bunch of jumper wires at the other end)
May 18 21:18:28 <kfoltman> *short* jumper wires
May 18 21:20:17 <m_billybob> we only have one FTDI module at mand its only 5v . .  need to get a 3.3v before i get to start toying around at the terminal
May 18 21:21:48 <kfoltman> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00AFRXKFU/ref=pe_217191_31005151_M3T1_dp_5 this is the one I got (probably a 5V-tolerance 3.3V part of something)
May 18 21:21:55 <kfoltman> 5V-tolerant
May 18 21:22:23 <kfoltman> and of course I only connected RX, TX and GND
May 18 21:23:06 <m_billybob> ah thats kind of expensive though. is that one of the FTDX or similar modules ?
May 18 21:23:16 <m_billybob> im kind of partial to FTDI
May 18 21:23:39 <kfoltman> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 10c4:ea60 Cygnal Integrated Products, Inc. CP210x UART Bridge / myAVR mySmartUSB light
May 18 21:23:40 <mranostay> die!!
May 18 21:24:43 <m_billybob> hmm havent heard of em, but no surprise im not an EE so much as software developer
May 18 21:25:12 <kfoltman> m_billybob: I don't have much experience with those usb-to-serial chips, apart from using the ftdi part on some arduino clone - and this thingy
May 18 21:26:11 <m_billybob> main reason why i like FTDI is my buddy has been an EE for idk maybe 35 years, and he says FTDI drivers *always* work where as some of the others may not
May 18 21:26:25 <jmoyerman> +1 FTDI chips just work.
May 18 21:27:25 <m_billybob> im kind of like that with PC parts too once i find a brand i know that works always, ill stick with it lol I hate screwing aroudn with stuff that should be workign already
May 18 21:28:30 <m_billybob> some of those cheapies on ebay look tempting though at $2-$3 each free shipping
May 18 21:31:11 <kfoltman> m_billybob: depends on if pain(waste of money ) < pain(waste of time)
May 18 21:31:32 <m_billybob> i know a few people who own a few well not in person but from forums
May 18 21:31:43 <m_billybob> they seem to be happy with them
May 18 21:32:05 <m_billybob> Spirilis there i thin khas a few
May 18 21:32:17 <Russ> mranostay, tell us how you really feel
May 18 21:32:23 <m_billybob> anyone here been doing device tree work has some experience ?
May 18 21:33:26 <m_billybob> I need to get started with device tree, have a few link jadonks and one or two other to start reading. but is there like a manual or anythign for device tree ?
May 18 21:35:36 <kfoltman> m_billybob: you *do* have that one - http://devicetree.org/Device_Tree_Usage ?
May 18 21:37:07 <m_billybob> I do now ! thanks :)
May 18 21:37:13 * m_billybob bookmarks
May 18 21:37:36 <m_billybob> I know nothign about linux dev, well i take that back i know a bit, but not on this level
May 18 21:38:02 <m_billybob> so like i good and find fdt stuff etc, not sure it that will apply to this or not
May 18 21:38:09 <m_billybob> google*
May 18 21:39:26 <m_billybob> be back in a little bit got some outdoor work to do
May 18 22:40:48 <Moult> has anyone controlled a servo / used pwm with the bbb? it seems all the documentation related to it doesn't apply to the bbb. for example, there is no /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux or /sys/class/pwm/. any ideas where these moved to?
May 18 22:52:41 <slug> Moult: do you have a /sys/class/pwm directory at all?
May 18 22:52:52 <Moult> slug: no
May 18 22:53:05 <slug> Moult: Angstrom ? uname -a ?
May 18 22:53:31 <Moult> slug: Linux beaglebone 3.8.6 #1 SMP Sat Apr 13 09:10:52 CEST 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux - yes, angstrom
May 18 22:53:42 <Moult> slug: i think the kernel directory layouts changed
May 18 22:54:40 * mranostay harlem shakes in
May 18 22:54:47 <slug> Moult: I'm running 3.8.12, and i have /sys/class/pwm
May 18 22:54:51 <kfoltman> Moult: have you tried doing something like: find /sys -name 'pwm*'   (I think some of the stuff in the platform directory has been moved)
May 18 22:54:57 <Moult> slug: on a bbb?
May 18 22:55:02 <slug> Moult: yes
May 18 22:55:22 <Moult> kfoltman: i have a /sys/kernel/debug/pwm
May 18 22:56:00 <Moult> slug: so perhaps i'm out of date?
May 18 22:56:42 <kfoltman> whatever you do, don't try upgrading angstrom using opkg ;)
May 18 22:56:44 <slug> Moult: maybe. which image did you install from?
May 18 22:57:00 <Moult> slug: none, this is what came with the device
May 18 22:57:11 <stlngds> Hey all.
May 18 22:57:13 <Moult> slug: i haven't updated anything
May 18 22:57:23 <stlngds> Quick question, does the A8 support SSE2?
May 18 22:57:32 <slug> Moult: ah, so follow kfoltman advise :) you probably want to try the May image instead first. I had trouble upgrading from the image that came with the device.
May 18 22:57:37 <stlngds> Can't find a straight answer anywhere.
May 18 22:57:54 <kfoltman> stlngds: no, it has NEON, SSE2 = intel instruction set, not ARM :O
May 18 22:57:58 <slug> stlngds: i thought ARM uses NEON
May 18 22:57:58 <Moult> kfoltman: ok, thanks for the warning
May 18 22:58:06 <stlngds> Ah, alrighty.
May 18 22:58:10 <Moult> slug: is there a guide somewhere?
May 18 22:58:10 <stlngds> Thanks guys.
May 18 22:58:19 <slug> Moult: to flash a new image?
May 18 22:58:19 <Moult> slug: if yours is stable, i'd get your version
May 18 22:59:07 <Moult> slug: yes.
May 18 22:59:20 <slug> Moult: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images 2013-05.08
May 18 23:00:15 <slug> Moult: http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started
May 18 23:00:21 <kfoltman> Moult: be warned - you need a 4GB microSD card
May 18 23:00:37 <slug> kfoltman: i used a 8GB with no trouble
May 18 23:00:47 <slug> kfoltman: do you mean at least 4GB ?
May 18 23:00:48 <Moult> kfoltman: ugh, don't have any microsd card.
May 18 23:00:48 <Russ> I have a 64MB one, will that work?
May 18 23:00:51 <kfoltman> ok, 4GB+, I had a 2GB and couldn't use it :)
May 18 23:01:10 <Moult> slug: ok, downloading now
May 18 23:01:41 <kfoltman> Russ: if you want to use some buildroot-generated contraption instead of their angstrom image, then why not :P
May 18 23:01:58 <Russ> #exactsteps
May 18 23:03:06 <mranostay> +1
May 18 23:03:45 <mranostay> wonders what the average commute time is a monday
May 18 23:03:51 <Moult> slug: ok, thanks very much. i'm going to pop out and buy a microsd card. back in a bit
May 18 23:04:00 <Russ> mranostay, depends, do you have to cross a bridge?
May 18 23:05:16 <mranostay> no
May 18 23:05:27 <Russ> then you should be able to make it there
May 18 23:08:08 <mranostay> i will take MAX at somepoint
May 18 23:08:22 <mranostay> first city my car is a pain
May 18 23:08:43 <mranostay> but 26 is 4 blocks away
May 18 23:21:35 <Moult> slug: writing the image to sd now
May 18 23:26:04 <BecauseRacecar> Hi there
May 18 23:26:18 <BecauseRacecar> has anyone here successfully set up android on a BBB?
May 18 23:31:03 <Moult> slug: "If using BeagleBone Black and the image is meant to program your on-board eMMC, you'll need to wait while the programming occurs. " <-- do you know if that image does that?
May 18 23:33:42 <BecauseRacecar> i have no idea...
May 18 23:38:23 * mranostay takes a shot
May 18 23:50:45 <slug> Moult: what do you mean?
May 18 23:51:07 <Moult> slug: wanted to know whether or not i'd have to wait up to 45 minutes
May 18 23:51:16 <slug> Moult: yeah
May 18 23:51:36 <Moult> slug: i would?
May 18 23:51:44 <Moult> slug: is there a way to check the progress of the flash?
May 18 23:51:47 <slug> Moult: power down the bbb, put the sd card into the slot, press the button right above it and apply power at the same time.
May 18 23:52:01 <slug> Moult: yes, do you have a serial-usb cable?
May 18 23:52:05 * Russ attempts to deduce the rules of this drinking game
May 18 23:52:14 <Moult> slug: it's connected via usb right now. don't know if it's serialusb
May 18 23:52:30 <Moult> slug: and i did the powerdown, sdcard insert, button + power at the same time thing
May 18 23:52:30 <Russ> the lights all turn on when its done
May 18 23:52:31 <slug> Moult: no, you would need to connect to the serial port on the board
May 18 23:52:52 <Moult> slug: i'm not holding the button now though. the lights are flashing doing stuff
May 18 23:53:00 <slug> Moult: the bbb doesn't emulate a serial port through the usb port afaik.
May 18 23:53:01 <Moult> Russ: yes, but looking for a way to measure progress
May 18 23:53:24 <slug> Moult: yes, when it's done you will have all or maybe 3 of the leds full lit.
May 18 23:54:24 <Russ> Moult, do it once and time it
May 18 23:54:34 <Russ> Moult, then, use time elapsed to measure progress
May 18 23:54:42 <Moult> Russ: eh ok
May 18 23:54:58 <Moult> i believe it's been 10 minutes already
May 18 23:58:13 <slug> Moult: i did another opkg upgrade and now running kernel 3.8.13
May 18 23:58:59 <Zeta> hi
May 19 00:00:05 <Zeta> i have a problem with my beaglebone black .Can anyone help me
May 19 00:00:28 <slug> Zeta: what problem?
May 19 00:01:00 * CareBear\ is holding his breath
May 19 00:01:07 <SpeedEvil> has it become sentient?
May 19 00:01:49 <slug> SpeedEvil: i think if that was the case it would be more like "i have a problem with my human" :)
May 19 00:02:32 <SpeedEvil> well... it may have him cornered in the bathroom, and we're his last hope
May 19 00:02:58 <Zeta> if i connect the bone with USB to my mac ,the bone dosnt boot but 3 (urs0,usr1,usr2) are on
May 19 00:03:50 <slug> Zeta: on or blinking? did you try to run 'opkg upgrade' ? what image do you have installed?
May 19 00:04:45 <Zeta> only on . I did opkg upgrade
May 19 00:05:10 <slug> Zeta: from the original image ?
May 19 00:05:34 <Zeta> yes
May 19 00:05:58 <slug> Zeta: opkg upgrade is broken from the original image, you have to flash a new one
May 19 00:06:32 <slug> Zeta: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images get 2013-05-08 , then follow http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started to flash
May 19 00:07:02 <Zeta> ok . Sry but i´m new in this topic
May 19 00:07:03 <slug> Zeta: it's a pain, i know, it happened to me too...
May 19 00:07:06 <Zeta> i try
May 19 00:07:17 <Zeta> ok
May 19 00:09:08 <slug> Zeta: you need a micro-SD card
May 19 00:09:40 <Zeta> yes i have a 8gb microsd here
May 19 00:10:23 <slug> Zeta: that works, make a backup of the stuff there first if you need it though ;)
May 19 00:11:12 <Moult> Zeta: slug was just guiding me to flash another image as well :)
May 19 00:17:29 <Zeta> the  .img.xz only copy this on the micro sd ? not more ?
May 19 00:19:14 <Moult> Zeta: you need to extract the .img file from the .img.xz with 7zip
May 19 00:19:36 <slug> Zeta: no, follow the instructions, as Moult says.
May 19 00:19:45 <Moult> Zeta: and then write the image to the sd card, not just copy.
May 19 00:20:28 <Lib> If anyone is wanting to install Ubuntu on the BeagleBone Black on an SD card OR on the Internal eMMC memory. I just created a blog post after successfully doing so: http://www.zachrohde.com/blog/2013/05/installing-ubuntu-on-the-beaglebone-black/
May 19 00:21:08 <slug> Lib: that's great. how much free space do you end up using the eMMC, with a minimal install?
May 19 00:22:17 <Lib> slug, let me check really quickly. Give me a sec to boot it up
May 19 00:26:59 <Lib> if I am reading the df -h correctly, I have used 508 MB of the 1.7 GB of eMMC
May 19 00:35:06 <SpeedEvil> If the emmc is using the filesystem I think it is, its compressed
May 19 00:35:09 <slug> Lib: thanks! is that with or without compilers ?
May 19 00:35:13 <SpeedEvil> so that may mislead
May 19 00:36:25 <slug> SpeedEvil: it's not ext2/3/4 ?
May 19 00:37:21 <SpeedEvil> unsure
May 19 00:37:30 <Lib> slug, I have installed nothing but the ubuntu 13.04 image. I am not familiar with Ubuntu, so whether or not that includes compilers is beyond me.
May 19 00:37:32 <SpeedEvil> I suspect it may be ubifs
May 19 00:37:49 <SpeedEvil> ext2/3 is an extraordoinarilt bad choice
May 19 00:38:03 <SpeedEvil> the emmc is not a standard block device
May 19 00:38:18 <SpeedEvil> it is not designed to be error free
May 19 00:38:34 <Turl> SpeedEvil: isn't that NAND?
May 19 00:38:34 <Moult> slug: Linux beaglebone 3.8.11 #1 SMP Wed May 8 07:34:27 CEST 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux hooray :)
May 19 00:38:46 <Moult> slug: and i have a /sys/class/pwm now :D
May 19 00:38:59 <slug> Moult: great :)
May 19 00:39:13 <SpeedEvil> err
May 19 00:39:26 <SpeedEvil> ignore above
May 19 00:41:51 <Moult> slug: how do i install a python module on angstrom?
May 19 00:46:23 <Moult> http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/techref/opkg nevermind :)
May 19 00:52:04 <Moult> slug: /sys/class/pwm/ehrpwm.1:1/request do you have that file?
May 19 00:52:30 <Moult> slug: or this one? /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux/
May 19 02:49:12 <alan_o> P L A G U E
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