**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 22 02:59:58 2013
May 22 03:07:57 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2, stdlib should be good enough
May 22 03:08:01 <m_billybob> not a whole lot going on
May 22 03:09:07 <m_billybob> I could get all fancy and parse teh contents of cpufreq-info and use ncurses or somethign but, meh, maybe later if i feel its important
May 22 03:11:04 <m_billybob> for now, i just need to learn how to use the cross compiler properly, and this is pretty close to a hello world app thats more useful . . .
May 22 03:13:09 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> what happened to mouser parametric part search!?
May 22 03:13:23 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> it's useless now!
May 22 03:13:53 <slug> PRU_EVTOUT_2: was there during the weekend
May 22 03:15:03 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i see. parametric doesn't show up if you're looking at multiple types of ics.
May 22 03:15:21 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so, i have to search in "logic ics" and "interface ics", separately, for a level shifter. :-|
May 22 03:32:05 <Moult> can anyone recommend a way to send over commands over network to the beagle instantly?
May 22 03:32:18 <Moult> doing ssh 192.168.7.2 every time is too slow to make the ssh connection
May 22 03:33:07 <m_billybob> Moult context ?
May 22 03:33:10 <slug> Moult: what do you mean by slow?
May 22 03:36:06 <bbm> write a shell script to automagically handle the ssh bit?
May 22 03:36:33 <bbm> edit bash.rc to handle the ssh script?
May 22 03:36:36 <bbm> ???
May 22 03:36:42 <bbm> profit?
May 22 03:36:44 <m_billybob> or write an IPC app whcih is going ot be way more effeort than its probably worth
May 22 03:37:49 <bbm> copy/paste also works...
May 22 03:38:02 <m_billybob> up arrow key ?
May 22 03:38:24 <chemist4higher> anyone got the lcd3 working on the bbb?
May 22 03:38:27 <bbm> exactly
May 22 03:40:20 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Moult: check out rpc libraries.
May 22 03:40:39 <m_billybob> chemist4higher, dunno but saw some chatter on beagleboard google groups of he lcd4 recently
May 22 03:42:02 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Moult: also, instantly is going to be touch to achieve. the laws of physics be a harsh mistress.
May 22 03:42:50 <m_billybob> ah, that was a good dinner, now time ot get started
May 22 04:10:27 <m_billybob> ok i can see this is going ot be a little bit of a challenge
May 22 04:11:39 <m_billybob> Rick any suggestions for making my CLI compiling life easier ( cross compiling) ?
May 22 04:15:02 <chemist4higher> billybob. i wasnt quite sure how to apply the code.
May 22 04:16:20 <m_billybob> chemist4higher, ah yeah sorry I dont have a clue on the LCD capes. Just saw mention of it on the google groups, and it seems like there was a resolution, but i wasnt sure.
May 22 04:17:04 <chemist4higher> thanks billybob. im sure the solution is somewhere in the discussion
May 22 04:20:47 <wware> Playing with a Beaglebone black for the first time, Cloud9 not working over Ethernet. Is that a known bug?
May 22 04:21:34 <wware> Worked ok over Enet-over-USB but then I lost wifi connectivity (I'm guessing DNS).
May 22 04:35:08 <m_billybob> wware, /etc/resolve.conf jibe with what you need ?
May 22 04:36:42 <m_billybob> nameserver 8.8.8.8 or other DNS ip, or even local gateway / router IP
May 22 04:41:48 <wware_> robtow, thanks, it just magically started working.
May 22 04:44:09 <wware_> Alas, I'm on east coast time and got work in the morning. No more tinkering for me. G'night all.
May 22 04:44:22 <m_billybob> nini
May 22 05:41:39 <mranostay> ah so G+ is now autotagging posts?
May 22 05:42:03 <ka6sox> you can turn that "feature" off.
May 22 05:43:00 <mranostay> can google just not @#$# with something that works?
May 22 05:43:14 <mranostay> god i feel old :)
May 22 05:44:38 <wolfeidau> Gday I am trying to use P8 pins 3-6 on the beagle bone black as they are currently being mapped to the GPIO in our system, does anyone have any tips or links to methods of disabling the eMMC ?
May 22 05:48:36 <mranostay> you should be able to pinmux those
May 22 05:48:45 <mranostay> of course you can't boot from eMMC :)
May 22 05:55:31 <lynxxx> hi there
May 22 05:55:50 * mranostay gets ready
May 22 05:56:16 <lynxxx> i bought a beagle board black and i can not connect to my network over eth0. is it a common problem?
May 22 05:58:01 <mranostay> you have it connected by changcee?
May 22 05:59:04 <av500> Chang Cee?
May 22 05:59:18 <russell--> i haven't tested this on the new software, but one problem i had/have with the old beaglebone is that damned systemd booted too fast (faster then my dhcp server), and it would give up without a network in cases of power failure that took down both at the same time.
May 22 05:59:32 <av500> damn systemd
May 22 05:59:48 <mranostay> av500: 3G atm so it hangs..
May 22 05:59:53 <russell--> why it didn't keep trying, /me fails to understand
May 22 06:00:01 <av500> russell--: make your dhcp also use systemd
May 22 06:00:04 <wolfeidau> mranostay: Just posed all the details and errors i get to the mailing list
May 22 06:00:09 <av500> I have no idea why it gives up
May 22 06:00:24 <russell--> yeah, me neither
May 22 06:00:29 <mranostay> what is this magic mailing list?
May 22 06:00:51 <av500> mranostay: go home you are drunk
May 22 06:01:00 <wolfeidau> mranostay: http://pastebin.com/5arYuTkA
May 22 06:01:01 <mranostay> i am home and drunk
May 22 06:01:06 <wolfeidau> That is the error i get
May 22 06:01:44 <mranostay> yeah you have to not use emmc :)
May 22 06:01:56 <wolfeidau> mranostay: haha yeah :)
May 22 06:02:09 <mranostay> so disable it in the dt
May 22 06:02:39 <wolfeidau> I have tried removing it from dt but that didn't end well
May 22 06:02:59 <wolfeidau> so set it to disabled
May 22 06:03:03 <wolfeidau> I will give that a go
May 22 06:04:19 * mranostay goes off to do boring paperwork that will net him thousands
May 22 06:04:22 <wolfeidau> so close to getting it working
May 22 06:04:30 <wolfeidau> mranostay: Good luck!
May 22 06:04:33 <mranostay> close never counts
May 22 06:04:40 <russell--> "If using these pins, you need to put the eMMC into reset. This requires that the
May 22 06:04:43 <russell--> eMMC be accessible from the processor in order to set the eMMC to accept the
May 22 06:04:45 <russell--> eMMC pins.
May 22 06:04:48 <russell--> "
May 22 06:05:06 <wolfeidau> russell--: yeah what does that mean?
May 22 06:05:15 <russell--> nfi, is it english?
May 22 06:05:17 <wolfeidau> I have seen it mentioned twice
May 22 06:05:21 <ka6sox> wolfeidau, what TZ are you in?
May 22 06:05:31 <wolfeidau> AU / Melbourne
May 22 06:06:02 <ka6sox> okay you have 3-4 hrs before next meal...ask Panto when you see him...
May 22 06:06:54 <ka6sox> and if you get it working write it up in the elinux.org wiki on how to disable it sucessfully on boot.
May 22 06:07:17 <wolfeidau> ka6sox: cheers for the tip, we got all the UART stuff working perfectly, tweaked the dsti files thanks to work of some amazing people
May 22 06:07:42 <ka6sox> no worries mate...time for sleep here though.
May 22 06:08:01 <wolfeidau> ka6sox: thanks
May 22 06:08:28 <ka6sox-away> ooorrrooo
May 22 06:09:19 <russell--> wolfeidau: "This is done by
May 22 06:09:19 <russell--> taking eMMC_RSTn (GPIO1_20) LOW after the eMMC has been put into a mode to
May 22 06:09:19 <russell--> enable the reset line.
May 22 06:10:00 <wolfeidau> russell--: wow I will try ath
May 22 06:10:04 <wolfeidau> that
May 22 06:34:29 <russell--> lol, i wonder if it's possible to bitbang pci on a BBB.  i have a bunch of miniPCI atheros radios.
May 22 06:35:01 <mranostay> russell--: maybe if you have a crack habit
May 22 06:35:24 <mranostay> i'm sure PCI clock is higher than the PRU can even do
May 22 06:36:35 <mranostay> 32-bit at 33mhz you could probably do
May 22 06:37:12 <russell--> lol
May 22 06:41:42 <mrpacket_> mranostay: rubbish
May 22 06:42:13 <mranostay> was original PCI 3v3?
May 22 06:43:03 <russell--> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_PCI
May 22 06:56:50 <av500> russell--: given that USB wifi dongles are like a dollar these days, is it worth it?
May 22 07:01:10 <ynezz> unreliable
May 22 07:13:13 <russell--> usb radios generally can't do AP mode
May 22 07:14:14 <russell--> but, as for "is it worth it?" i think the answer is clearly "um, NO"
May 22 07:14:51 <av500> the real cool flame wars are on github these days: https://github.com/thicklizard/Komodo_new_source/commit/341ce8bdfc86fcfad8b869c59f09f054cd81eca4
May 22 07:15:39 <tsjsieb> goodmorning
May 22 07:29:16 <Shadyman> lol av500
May 22 07:39:57 <ynezz> :D
May 22 07:40:20 * mranostay chuckle at Portlandia shooting down fluoridated water
May 22 07:40:26 * mranostay sleeps
May 22 07:40:49 <mranostay> lucky i only drink vodka
May 22 07:42:18 <ynezz> I wonder if that Goodman guy is real
May 22 07:42:22 <av500> yes
May 22 07:42:25 <av500> he is even on G+
May 22 07:42:31 <av500> so he must be real
May 22 07:45:11 <Russ> for bitbanging pci, you also have the edma engine
May 22 07:45:19 <dm8tbr> "g'day, I'm from the internet!"
May 22 07:45:52 <av500> you are here to help?
May 22 07:46:12 <dm8tbr> "because someone is wrong, on the internet"
May 22 07:48:49 <Russ> isn't he the guy that invented bitcoin?
May 22 07:48:51 * KotH wishes everyone a wonderfull JIHAD
May 22 07:48:58 <Russ> until that other dude kanged him?
May 22 07:53:33 <ynezz> bitcoin has been invented by Chad Norris
May 22 07:54:10 <dm8tbr> not by Al Gore?
May 22 07:54:28 <Russ> so disfunctional, its almost not funny
May 22 07:55:25 <dm8tbr> needs more functional testing?
May 22 07:57:52 <KotH> why the fuck cant people handle this chad-shit like grown up man?
May 22 07:58:02 <KotH> if he violates copyright, just sue him already!
May 22 07:58:16 <KotH> (sorry for the rambling, post-exam syndrome)
May 22 07:58:34 <Russ> generally because it isn't worth the time or trouble
May 22 07:58:49 <av500> yep
May 22 07:58:51 <KotH> but bitching constantly and insulting people is?
May 22 07:58:55 <av500> yes
May 22 07:59:01 <av500> you dont need a lawyer for that
May 22 07:59:07 <Russ> and the whole the about github commits being infalliable
May 22 07:59:08 <Russ> https://github.com/h-k/linux/commit/8d38eadb7a97f265f7b3a9e8a30df358c3a546c8
May 22 08:00:05 <av500> did you kang that?
May 22 08:02:25 <Russ> I just think its funny that they claim that the github date can't be made to lie
May 22 08:02:35 <Russ> pretty sure github wasn't around in 2005
May 22 08:02:49 <Russ> this whole thing http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32460729&postcount=2272
May 22 08:03:21 <Russ> the spelling, the treatment of git as some sort of black magic
May 22 08:03:31 <Russ> BTW u batter know then ME how PLAY with git time stamp...why...u already know...
May 22 08:03:47 <av500> its XDA
May 22 08:04:01 <av500> these people grew up editing pocket PC ROMS
May 22 08:04:51 <Russ> 'the screen shot you posted.. if you look at it - above the comnmits is a date/time.. that is the date and time github physically received the patch - that cant be altered like the "authored" date or c"commit date"'
May 22 08:05:24 <av500> UPS delivered the patch?
May 22 08:05:28 <av500> or Fedex?
May 22 08:05:43 <Russ> I don't know, anything beyond source safe confounds me
May 22 08:05:51 <dm8tbr> it was delivered by a nuke, from orbit, just to be sure
May 22 08:06:21 <av500> pic of a stack of punch cards or it did not happen
May 22 08:06:57 <av500> I remember when Al Gore physically delivered the first IP packet
May 22 08:07:14 <Russ> I just can't understand how someone can be this stupid without doing so on purpose
May 22 08:07:27 <tasslehoff> if someone messes with the date of a commit, does it then become a conmit?
May 22 08:07:51 <Russ> I think I'm going to start changing all my author lines to chad goodman
May 22 08:08:44 <av500> Russ: just add a <kanged-by> line
May 22 08:08:56 <Russ> Kanged-By:
May 22 08:08:59 <KotH> Russ: i will follow your lead and change all my author lines to chad badman
May 22 08:09:59 <av500> its all because we stopped mailing patches around
May 22 08:15:00 <KotH> we should from a central commit signing agency, that signs all and every git commit with appropriate time stamps
May 22 08:15:35 <av500> just put your git into SVN
May 22 08:15:53 <av500> the enterprise way
May 22 08:17:23 <dm8tbr> I thought of attaching it to a word document
May 22 08:17:34 <av500> which you then print
May 22 08:17:45 <dm8tbr> [oblig wooden table]
May 22 08:17:49 <av500> +1
May 22 08:18:00 <SpeedEvil> put it on CD, using UDF
May 22 08:20:30 <KotH> well.. we had a customer, who wanted all source code written for their project in printed form
May 22 08:21:27 <dm8tbr> not on microfiche?
May 22 08:21:42 <KotH> nope
May 22 08:21:44 <KotH> on paper
May 22 08:21:47 <av500> printers are cheap
May 22 08:22:23 <KotH> microfiche would have been fine.. just a shoebox ful.. not a crate
May 22 08:22:33 <av500> can I make GPL releaes on printed paper?
May 22 08:22:55 <KotH> sure
May 22 08:23:08 <KotH> today, printed counts as machine readable
May 22 08:23:10 <av500> after all, a printer is what started it
May 22 08:23:38 <KotH> apropos printer
May 22 08:23:45 <av500> Generic Printer License
May 22 08:23:45 <KotH> what happend to your extra loud brother?
May 22 08:23:48 <av500> well
May 22 08:23:53 <av500> it goes silent after a while
May 22 08:24:15 <jackmitchell> av500: did you get the 2250?
May 22 08:24:18 <av500> yep
May 22 08:24:37 <jackmitchell> yeah, if you find out how to lower the 'keep ready' timeout that would be awesome
May 22 08:24:49 <av500> you can lower it in the web ui
May 22 08:24:49 <jackmitchell> I think that's why it stays noisy for so long
May 22 08:24:56 <av500> but that only turns off the LED :)
May 22 08:25:02 <av500> after 1min
May 22 08:25:06 <av500> the fan has some other timeout
May 22 08:25:15 <jackmitchell> :/
May 22 08:25:18 <av500> like the drum too hot or so
May 22 08:25:39 <av500> my wife uses it, so I dont care too much for now :)
May 22 08:25:50 <av500> once I do, I will mod it
May 22 08:26:37 <jackmitchell> cracking little printer otherwise
May 22 08:26:57 <av500> I dont print much
May 22 08:27:05 <av500> and its half the size of my previous Dell
May 22 08:27:10 <av500> half the price too
May 22 08:27:21 <KotH> half everything!
May 22 08:27:23 <av500> and the dell was out of toner and possibly drum
May 22 08:27:27 <jackmitchell> and the ink hasn't dried out every time you go to use it
May 22 08:27:31 <av500> yep
May 22 08:28:33 <KotH> ink? what's that?
May 22 08:28:52 <jackmitchell> a waste of time
May 22 08:30:42 <KotH> and there i thought it was something for second breakfast
May 22 08:32:58 <marone> Hello Guys. I have just booted my BBB with the stock Angstrom and now would like to mount an SD card. What is the device name of the SD card slot?
May 22 08:35:12 <keesj> dry a dmesg or cat /proc/paritions to get a hint
May 22 08:35:26 <keesj> perhaps just type mount (it might be auto mounted)
May 22 08:35:41 <keesj>  /proc/partitions
May 22 08:37:55 <jackmitchell> marone: there is a _massive_ topic on it here, please use google in the future: Using the SD card as extra storage on the Black
May 22 08:38:57 <jackmitchell> I'm not 100% sure it's possible, from the brief glance I have given the topic
May 22 08:42:06 <marone> I have googled - I just couldn't believe this was so hard. Thanks for the confirmation and have a nice day!
May 22 08:49:57 <av500> wow, new accountant wants 2 signatures on our coffee bill
May 22 08:53:25 <keesj> hmm is this because of the device tree/capes? I did boot from MMC
May 22 08:53:52 <keesj> but indeed the default image doesn't show the MMC . weird stuff [tm]
May 22 08:54:06 <jackmitchell> you can boot from uSD, but I don't know how easy it is to boot from eMMC and read from uSD
May 22 08:54:42 <marone> jackmitchell: seems to be very complicated - I'll wait until new software is released and use an usb drive until then
May 22 08:59:54 <Rotti> hi
May 22 09:02:55 <russell--> damn, that blue LED heartbeat is hurting my eyes
May 22 09:07:36 <av500> russell--: use a black pen
May 22 09:07:59 <mru> like the ones used to improve audio CDs?
May 22 09:09:14 <av500> mru: these were green
May 22 09:10:16 <av500> damn you geoguessr
May 22 09:10:27 <mru> ?
May 22 09:10:38 <av500> http://geoguessr.com/
May 22 09:10:56 <mru> why should I go there?
May 22 09:11:00 <mru> you just damned it
May 22 09:11:45 <av500> it wasted my time
May 22 09:11:49 <av500> pleasantly
May 22 09:12:25 <mru> I'm naturally suspicious of websites with dropped vowels
May 22 09:13:58 <Shadyman> Your guess was 0.618 km from the correct location and gave 6427 points.
May 22 09:14:02 <Shadyman> do i win th eprize?
May 22 09:14:09 <KotH> damn you av500!
May 22 09:14:14 <Shadyman> ^
May 22 09:14:40 <panto> mourning
May 22 09:14:44 <av500> KotH: :)
May 22 09:14:44 <mru> is that the one that shows you chinese replicas of famous landmarks and has you guess where they are?
May 22 09:14:51 <av500> mru: yes
May 22 09:14:59 <mru> I'll skip it then
May 22 09:15:24 <panto> wonderful, #beagle, off topic, all the time
May 22 09:15:33 <KotH> nope
May 22 09:15:41 <KotH> sometimes we discuss dog breads
May 22 09:15:49 <KotH> which is kind of on topic :)
May 22 09:15:55 <woglinde> hi koth and panto
May 22 09:15:59 <KotH> salut woglinde
May 22 09:16:08 <KotH> comment ça va?
May 22 09:16:36 <woglinde> panto we got offtopic when koth joined the channel last year
May 22 09:17:24 <panto> hi woglinde
May 22 09:17:47 <panto> back when the jihad started
May 22 09:17:56 <panto> jihad against what though? bad chocolate?
May 22 09:18:22 <Shadyman> av500: Beat THAT. http://tinyurl.com/okcro7e
May 22 09:19:22 <Shadyman> and with that, good night.
May 22 09:20:10 * panto looks with horror at that git log 
May 22 09:21:28 <woglinde> Lunenburg Academy
May 22 09:21:31 <woglinde> what the hell
May 22 09:21:49 <KotH> panto: listen to kaji meiko while reading it :)
May 22 09:22:49 <woglinde> hm and canadian flag
May 22 09:22:58 <panto> I mean, the code is horrible to begin with, why would you get into a fight about it?
May 22 09:23:13 <woglinde> panto just reject it
May 22 09:23:21 <mru> panto: because xdadevelopers
May 22 09:23:59 <panto> so that's a failure of the android ecosystem
May 22 09:24:14 <panto> since there's no upstream path for outside developers, craziness reigns supreme
May 22 09:25:05 <woglinde> pnat
May 22 09:25:19 <woglinde> ups panto because there is nobody to guide them
May 22 09:25:59 <woglinde> so they steal clueless and shitty patches from each other
May 22 09:26:24 <woglinde> and than kang all stuff
May 22 09:27:02 * koen wonder if 'plagiarize' is really to hard to spell for xda people
May 22 09:27:20 <koen> s/to/too/
May 22 09:27:27 * koen puts on dunce cap
May 22 09:29:34 <KotH> koen: it's not hip enough
May 22 09:32:46 <woglinde> koen you have to be a german politican
May 22 09:33:33 <jackmitchell> I don't understand, am I out of loop with this term 'kanging'
May 22 09:33:43 * jackmitchell is not down with the kids anymore :(
May 22 09:34:12 <koen> jackmitchell: it's plagiarizing android kernel code
May 22 09:34:33 <jackmitchell> or has it risen from the flaming pit that is xda developers..
May 22 09:34:42 <mru> I believe that's the case
May 22 09:34:54 <jackmitchell> ah, ok; and it only relates to android source?
May 22 09:34:56 <mru> I've certainly never heard it elsewhere
May 22 09:35:24 <woglinde> koen no its taking binary kernel and other binray stuff and make android update image out of that
May 22 09:35:46 <jackmitchell> it sounds too similar to when people reference 'con kovilas' or whatever his name is
May 22 09:35:53 <jackmitchell> for me to take it seriously
May 22 09:36:02 <woglinde> hi jackmitchell btw.
May 22 09:36:27 <woglinde> hm should I cheat on mundrabilla
May 22 09:37:05 <russell--> av500: rev A5B ... "2) Made the LEDs dimmer for those that could not sleep due to the brightness of the LEDs."
May 22 09:37:56 <KotH> lol
May 22 09:38:14 * russell-- inverted the box over it
May 22 09:39:10 <jackmitchell> woglinde: morning :)
May 22 09:39:18 <KotH> jackmitchell: what's the story behind con kovilas?
May 22 09:40:09 <mru> kolivas?
May 22 09:40:29 <KotH> yeah
May 22 09:40:43 <mru> story?
May 22 09:40:48 <mru> just another kernel hacker
May 22 09:40:55 <koen> he wrote a different scheduler that linus didn't like
May 22 09:40:57 <koen> flamewar
May 22 09:40:58 <av500> cfs
May 22 09:40:58 <jackmitchell> he's an outspoken kernel developer, but anything anywhere which references his name seems to turn into al almighty uninformed slanging match
May 22 09:41:44 <av500> now I beat Shadyman and he is gone
May 22 09:43:46 <KotH> av500: if you hurry, you can still catch him at the gates to the land of dreams
May 22 09:43:59 <av500> nah
May 22 09:44:02 <av500> :effort:
May 22 09:44:20 <russell--> https://plus.google.com/u/0/114541658134976985870/posts/Tc4PkZ8yjGW
May 22 09:45:00 <KotH> eh..
May 22 09:45:15 <KotH> you should add free, single use soldering irons with the bbb
May 22 09:47:04 <av500> I wonder if beagle will now make a wifi BBB like arduino
May 22 09:47:15 <av500> just add that atheros chipset
May 22 09:47:21 <russell--> lol
May 22 09:49:49 <russell--> the arduino network stack is painful, sends one or two payload bytes per packet
May 22 10:03:41 <russell--> interesting, took a new BBB out of the box, put in the eMMC flasher sd card, didn't push any buttons, and the flasher started flashing... i thought it wasn't supposed to boot off of sd unless i pushed the magic boot button.
May 22 10:03:50 <av500> no
May 22 10:03:58 <av500> boot order is emmc->sd->other
May 22 10:04:08 <russell--> but it did
May 22 10:04:11 <av500> ah no
May 22 10:04:26 <av500> uboot checks for sd and boots from sd
May 22 10:04:27 <av500> its a bug
May 22 10:04:37 <av500> so you boot uboot from emmc
May 22 10:04:45 <av500> and then proceed from sd
May 22 10:04:52 <russell--> that makes sense then
May 22 10:05:02 <av500> fell free to send a patch
May 22 10:05:15 <koen> aye, patches accepted
May 22 10:05:20 <woglinde> av500 I beat you too
May 22 10:05:42 <woglinde> but I cheated a bit
May 22 10:05:51 <woglinde> lunch time
May 22 10:05:51 <av500> me?
May 22 10:06:01 <woglinde> 14k points
May 22 10:06:04 <av500> me too
May 22 10:06:13 <woglinde> haha
May 22 10:06:19 <av500> shady had 12k
May 22 10:06:20 <woglinde> till later
May 22 10:06:24 <av500> jo
May 22 10:06:25 * russell-- had weirdness with an angstrom systemd-gnome-image, where the emmc was partly hosed, but i was too baffled at the time to collect reliable info
May 22 10:08:58 <russell--> oh, i remember now.  the systemd-gnome-image didn't have mkfs.vfat or mkfs.ext4 and $mumblemumble the onboard vfat got borked
May 22 10:09:23 <av500> you can create a fat partition with hexedit
May 22 10:09:24 <russell--> wouldn't boot without the sd card anymore
May 22 10:09:29 <russell--> lol
May 22 10:09:30 <av500> there is nothing to it
May 22 10:09:50 <av500> 55AA here and there
May 22 10:09:52 <av500> done
May 22 10:10:15 <russell--> but, seriously, the autoflasher is kind of not-necessarily-such-an-awesome-idea
May 22 10:11:59 <russell--> or at least, the mechanics of it should be spelled out more clearly so people can avoid it if they don't want it
May 22 10:12:03 <mru> feel free to not insert the card
May 22 10:12:12 <av500> or burn the card
May 22 10:14:51 <KotH> at midnight... on a clear solicitice night
May 22 10:15:02 <KotH> facing east, when the wind blows west
May 22 10:15:31 <KotH> chanting strange words... in old german
May 22 10:16:53 <av500> I'd have glady traded the emmc for an ftdi
May 22 10:21:06 <russell--> bootcmd=gpio set 53; i2c mw 0x24 1 0x3e; run findfdt; mmc dev 0; if mmc rescan ; then echo micro SD card found;setenv mmcdev 0;else echo No micro SD card found, setting mmcdev to 1;setenv mmcdev 1;fi;setenv bootpart ${mmcdev}:2;mmc dev ${mmcdev}; if mmc rescan; then gpio set 54; echo SD/MMC found on device ${mmcdev};if run loadbootenv; then echo Lo
May 22 10:21:11 <russell--> aded environment from ${bootenv};run importbootenv;fi;if test -n $uenvcmd; then echo Running uenvcmd ...;run uenvcmd;fi;gpio set 55; if run loaduimage; then gpio set 56; run l
May 22 10:21:14 <av500> stpo
May 22 10:21:15 <russell--> oadfdt;run mmcboot;fi;fi;
May 22 10:21:16 <av500> stop
May 22 10:21:24 <av500> use pastebin
May 22 10:21:31 <av500> some of us are on 300baud TTYs
May 22 10:21:50 <russell--> lol, it was only one line here, sry
May 22 10:22:52 <russell--> anyhoo, looks like that's preferentially booting off of sd if found, if i'm reading that right
May 22 10:23:20 <av500> yes
May 22 10:23:40 <av500> the script should check the boot button
May 22 10:23:45 <av500> patches welcome
May 22 10:28:36 <woglinde> av500 another round of guesser?
May 22 10:31:27 <av500> woglinde: nah
May 22 10:42:33 <russell--> aha, the 0x24 is the tps65217C chip
May 22 10:48:20 <av500> yep
May 22 10:51:46 <russell--> wtf is gpio 53?  /me guesses it's the power LED
May 22 10:53:05 <russell--> nm, found it
May 22 10:53:22 <russell--> one of the user LEDs (the heartbeaty one)
May 22 10:54:32 <fiola> Ooooh, eeee, aahhh ... It's cute!   (Delivery man has just been. :P)
May 22 10:58:53 <fiola> This BB form factor is really nice, the white and black make a nice pair of boards.  /me needs wants more colours :P
May 22 10:59:22 * panto fed-exes fiola a paint spray can 
May 22 10:59:55 <fiola> Heh, was already eyeing the nail varnish for the LEDs :P
May 22 11:00:39 <av500> pink!
May 22 11:00:48 <fiola> I'm sure there's room for more models in the future.  Continuing the BB line with more colours will be awesome.
May 22 11:01:39 <fiola> What's the most requested future feature on the wishlist for BB's?
May 22 11:01:52 <av500> "make it like arduino"
May 22 11:01:57 <fiola> God, lol
May 22 11:02:01 <av500> "make it like raspberry pi"
May 22 11:02:21 <panto> "play 1080p video"
May 22 11:02:21 <av500> so, we need to add an AVR and a HD decoder
May 22 11:02:40 <fiola> We've got PRUs, no stinking AVR needed :P
May 22 11:02:47 <Defiant> "make it like raspberry pi" <--break the usb port?
May 22 11:02:54 <av500> yes
May 22 11:02:59 <av500> also help poor kids
May 22 11:03:25 <panto> halp poor kidz code; show them codez
May 22 11:03:30 <av500> also it should run android
May 22 11:03:31 <fiola> Haha, Defiant.  Indeed, my Pi's USB is a pile of crud, drops USB events continually.
May 22 11:03:57 <Defiant> fiola: not only yours..
May 22 11:03:59 <Jazzdude> does anyone have experience with external USB hard disks with the BBB? I'd specifically be interested in continous writing speed. I have an application that requires me to write a constant 8 mb/s stream
May 22 11:04:57 <fiola> Defiant: yeah, I know the technical background to the problem of their USB.  What a daft choice of controller, and consequently, what a daft choice of SoC.
May 22 11:05:11 <panto> Jazzdude, atm, with no DMA working I wouldn't recommend it
May 22 11:05:48 <Jazzdude> panto, do you have a recommendation for an alternative?
May 22 11:06:04 <panto> how much data do you have to write?
May 22 11:06:20 <panto> what's wrong with using the ethernet?
May 22 11:06:29 <Jazzdude> several gigabytes. It's a multi track hard disk recording (audio) application
May 22 11:06:30 <av500> Jazzdude: 8mb or 8MB?
May 22 11:06:41 <Jazzdude> av500, megabytes
May 22 11:06:52 <panto> it's about 80Mbits/sec then
May 22 11:07:00 <Jazzdude> yes
May 22 11:07:14 <av500> on omap3, I think we got ~20MB/s on musb
May 22 11:07:15 <panto> I'd recommend something with a sata port
May 22 11:07:27 <Jazzdude> panto, ethernet would be much less attractive because it should be stand alone with no external machine for storage
May 22 11:07:41 <panto> I don't know if the BB is the best solution for that
May 22 11:07:57 <panto> or you can bitbang a (slow) sata port with the PRUs
May 22 11:08:02 <panto> (patches welcome) :)
May 22 11:08:05 <Jazzdude> panto, you mean a different board? I have a cubie board, but it lacks hard realtime GPIO programming, which is why I chose the beaglebone for its PRUs
May 22 11:08:06 <fiola> Hehe
May 22 11:08:21 <av500> Jazzdude: for $45 just give it a try
May 22 11:08:58 <Jazzdude> The other side of the application is reading the 8MB/s stream from an FPGA output using a 24 bit wide GPIO bus
May 22 11:09:08 <Jazzdude> at roughly >2 MHz
May 22 11:09:18 <Jazzdude> which is why the BBB seemed like a good idea
May 22 11:09:40 <fiola> Hmmm, is there a SATA cape available?  The PRUs could certainly offload some processing there.
May 22 11:09:55 <panto> well, Jazzdude take a look here
May 22 11:09:58 <panto> http://www.plxtech.com/
May 22 11:10:24 <panto> http://www.plxtech.com/products/consumer/oxufs936ds
May 22 11:11:02 <av500> ?
May 22 11:11:14 <panto> err, no
May 22 11:11:19 <panto> ignore that
May 22 11:11:21 <panto> wrong chip
May 22 11:11:38 <panto> hmm, I'm stumped
May 22 11:11:45 <Jazzdude> is there no DMA support at all on all beablebones?
May 22 11:11:51 <panto> anyone know of any SATA to local bus (non pci) SoC?
May 22 11:11:57 <av500> panto: no
May 22 11:12:04 <av500> panto: the closets is PATA to SATA
May 22 11:12:09 <av500> and PATA on GPMC
May 22 11:12:16 <av500> my project for "some day"
May 22 11:12:37 <panto> av500, pata should be doable with PRUs
May 22 11:12:50 <panto> and then tack on a PATA to SATA adapter?
May 22 11:13:39 <dm8tbr> do such things exist? I only know the other way around
May 22 11:13:50 <Jazzman> sorry, got disconnected
May 22 11:13:57 <av500> panto: yes
May 22 11:14:04 <av500> panto: but why pru?
May 22 11:14:08 <av500> why not GPMC?
May 22 11:14:14 <av500> dm8tbr: both ways
May 22 11:14:17 <Jazzman> last thing I saw was me asking about general DMA support on beaglebones
May 22 11:14:19 <dm8tbr> ok
May 22 11:14:22 <Jazzman> did anyone reply to that?
May 22 11:14:26 <panto> Jazzman, dma works
May 22 11:14:27 <av500> Jazzman: no
May 22 11:14:32 <panto> it's the USB dma that's a problem now
May 22 11:14:52 <Jazzman> is it a deep problem or just lack of code?
May 22 11:15:07 <panto> av500, well, is GPMC flexible enough to directly do PATA?
May 22 11:15:28 <av500> panto: might need a few 74xx
May 22 11:15:34 <panto> Jazzman, there are TI patches floating around, but typically they don't apply
May 22 11:15:36 <av500> a latch for the AD lines
May 22 11:15:46 <av500> nothing complex
May 22 11:15:53 <panto> and we didn't want to ship without USB while sorting out the mess
May 22 11:15:54 <av500> I need to read GPMC specs
May 22 11:16:04 <av500> ok, 1GB USB HDD on bone, lets see
May 22 11:16:06 <panto> av500, GPMC clock might be lower than the PRUs one
May 22 11:16:29 <panto> so I don't know
May 22 11:16:31 * panto shrugs 
May 22 11:16:33 <Jazzman> panto, is that only a problem with the black edition or the classic beaglebone as well?
May 22 11:16:38 <av500> panto: yes, but you can DMA to gpmc, no?
May 22 11:16:43 <av500> Jazzman: same SOC
May 22 11:16:51 <Jazzman> ic
May 22 11:16:54 <panto> av500, yes, I have the scars to prove it possible
May 22 11:17:02 <panto> you can DMA to the PRU as well
May 22 11:17:20 <panto> you can setup the DMA descriptors and just kick it from the PRU
May 22 11:17:49 <av500> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M count=1024
May 22 11:17:50 <panto> ok, stop making me think interesting things, got to work :)
May 22 11:18:05 <av500> panto: I mean, do you get one read cycle on the bus per PRU clock?
May 22 11:18:26 <panto> av500, you can toggle I/O at 200MHz with the PRU
May 22 11:18:36 <av500> yes
May 22 11:18:39 <fiola> Same SoC *for now*, but CircuitCo says BBB will move to 3358 at some point, and lose EtherCAT, so there must be some difference.  They don't say what though.
May 22 11:18:42 <mru> panto: can you dma into the dma control registers?
May 22 11:18:42 <RagBal> How do I load a uImage which has the dtb appended to it in uboot?
May 22 11:18:57 <av500> same as any other, no?
May 22 11:18:57 <panto> mru, yes, but you might break the universe
May 22 11:18:59 <av500> its appended
May 22 11:19:12 <av500> can you DMA into the zero page?
May 22 11:19:18 <mru> panto: that's ok, I'm not particularly fond of it
May 22 11:19:24 <av500> Jazzman: 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 49.3748 s, 21.7 MB/s
May 22 11:19:28 <panto> av500, let's ask chad
May 22 11:19:37 <mru> can you dma into chad?
May 22 11:19:37 <av500> panto: lets kang his code
May 22 11:19:37 <Jazzman> av500, wonderful, thanks!
May 22 11:19:43 <av500> Jazzman: thats write
May 22 11:19:57 <taimur> my beaglebone does not boot when some connections are plugged in its headers, even though the connections have been completly isolated from the rest of the circuit and no power is drawn from it. but it does boot when nothing is plugged in. what can be the issue?
May 22 11:20:05 <Jazzman> yes, precisely what I need
May 22 11:20:17 <av500> Jazzman: also no idea about cpu load
May 22 11:20:18 <av500> sec
May 22 11:20:29 <Jazzman> the CPU won't be very busy, most of the work will be done by the PRU. So I think I should be able to sustain that
May 22 11:20:35 <panto> taimur, what about the possibility of the connections causing a short-circuit?
May 22 11:20:44 <av500> Jazzman: ~25%
May 22 11:20:58 <Jazzman> great, sounds very feasible then
May 22 11:21:15 <av500> of connections being on sysboot pins
May 22 11:21:18 <panto> Jazzman, just don't trust USB much
May 22 11:21:48 <Jazzman> panto, why is that? What kinds of quirks should I be expecting?
May 22 11:22:00 <av500> 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 103.007 s, 10.4 MB/s
May 22 11:22:04 <av500> so, read is half the speed
May 22 11:22:08 <av500> strange
May 22 11:22:08 <panto> USB is just a consumer technology
May 22 11:22:17 <panto> from _Intel_
May 22 11:22:24 <Jazzman> yeah, I know :)
May 22 11:22:34 <fiola> panto: worrying to hear you say not to trust USB, after the Pi disaster.
May 22 11:22:49 * mru _never_ trusted usb
May 22 11:22:52 <taimur> panto, if there was a short circuit should not beaglebone always stop working when i connect it instead of only causing boot problem?
May 22 11:22:54 <Jazzman> I'd prefer something else, but most important is to get it working in a convenient way. It doesn't have to be the most solid thing ever
May 22 11:22:58 <mru> even the name is a lie
May 22 11:23:07 <panto> fiola, well, I haven't seen a case where using USB for real embedded work, that didn't end up in tears
May 22 11:23:21 <panto> or lots of sleepless nights trying to fix it
May 22 11:23:53 <Jazzman> I'm just planning to record a friend's band using a multichannel digital output from a digital mixing console, so that we can make a live album in the studio with the single tracks
May 22 11:23:54 <panto> RPi's USB, well, that's a order of magnitude of suck more
May 22 11:24:10 <Jazzman> I'm not really an engineer, just a physicist
May 22 11:24:20 <Jazzman> and I got into making only recently
May 22 11:24:23 <panto> the BB has lots of other I/O options, that are solid
May 22 11:24:32 <fiola> Which aspect of USB gives you worries?  Physical, its model/architecture, drivers?
May 22 11:24:34 <panto> if you can use them instead of USB, do it
May 22 11:24:50 <panto> the whole monstrosity of it
May 22 11:25:00 <KotH> mru: the moment you write your own usb device stack, you wonder how usb could ever possibly work
May 22 11:25:09 <fiola> heh
May 22 11:25:11 <Jazzman> I will back up to ethernet if USB fails me
May 22 11:25:22 <mru> KotH: I already wonder that
May 22 11:25:29 <mru> glancing at the spec was enough
May 22 11:25:32 <panto> hint, it sorta works
May 22 11:25:51 <fiola> The polling model is certainly ugly, but USB3.0 fixed that.
May 22 11:26:48 <taimur> panto, if there was a short circuit should not beaglebone always stop working when i connect it instead of only causing boot problem?
May 22 11:27:00 <fiola> Jazzman: is your recorder a commercial thing, or personal project?
May 22 11:27:35 <Jazzman> I have another question: Is it possible to use IRQs directly with the PRUs, like waking the PRU up on a signal edge, or do I have to handle all interrupts with the CPU?
May 22 11:27:43 <Jazzman> fiola, just a personal project
May 22 11:28:07 <Jazzman> fiola, it's mostly for solving this one problem we have and for me to have some fun
May 22 11:28:18 <Defiant> Jazzman: ever thought about getting a zynq-7000?
May 22 11:28:24 <panto> taimur, it's a multiple of possible problems
May 22 11:28:39 <Jazzman> Defiant, never even heard about that. Let me quickly google it
May 22 11:28:55 <panto> if you connect something and the bb stops working - you connected something that's bad or you haven't configured the bb muxes properly
May 22 11:29:16 <fiola> Jazzman: I dabble with MIDI, so if you ever write about it, I'm sure to find it interesting.
May 22 11:29:18 <Defiant> Jazzman: look at zedboard.org, its a combined Dual Core ARM Cortex-A9 with an FPGA
May 22 11:29:22 <panto> Jazzman, err, you mean have the PRU use interrupts?
May 22 11:29:58 <panto> PRUs use a polling model for events
May 22 11:30:56 <Jazzman> panto, yes, I thought so. I just wanted to make sure that I couldn't send the PRU to sleep and wake it up with an external IRQ
May 22 11:31:27 <mru> uh, the pru can receive interrupts
May 22 11:31:30 <mru> and generate them
May 22 11:31:32 <Jazzman> Defiant, looks very interesting. But I've already settled with an altera mini starter board and wouldn't want to spend much more money on this
May 22 11:31:46 <mru> or so the trm says
May 22 11:31:55 <panto> mru, it can receive events
May 22 11:32:12 <panto> there is no capability for something like a general purpose CPU interrupt
May 22 11:32:41 <panto> you can sleep while waiting for events too
May 22 11:33:05 <Jazzman> fiola, I might blog about it if I get it to work. I'll use midi too for receiving the midi machine control from the mixing console
May 22 11:34:14 <fiola> Sounds pretty ambitious with FPGA and all.
May 22 11:34:36 <Jazzman> I have the fpga side already working
May 22 11:34:52 <Jazzman> now I only (!) need to get the data the FPGA spits out onto a hard disk
May 22 11:35:58 <Defiant> Jazzman: Can't your altera do that with an IP-Core CPU?
May 22 11:36:14 <russell--> any clue how to figure out which gpio u-boot thinks the boot button is on?  SRM seems to think it's gpio2_8 (sysboot2).
May 22 11:36:30 <Jazzman> the fpga really just decodes a 24 channel tascam T-DIF stream at 48kHz and 24bit and sends it to a fifo buffer which I then want to read externally
May 22 11:37:06 <koen> hmmm
May 22 11:37:17 <koen> I'm tempted to write a git plugin
May 22 11:37:20 <koen> 'git kang'
May 22 11:37:21 <Jazzman> Defiant, unfortunately no. The NiosII doesn't fit on the small fpga that I have anymore. And I don't have any PHYs on the board that I could utilize for ethernet or sata or even USB
May 22 11:37:35 <koen> it will cherry-pick a commit and replace all author info
May 22 11:37:37 <Jazzman> also, I need full file system support
May 22 11:37:46 <panto> koen, what would it do?
May 22 11:37:56 <panto> hehe
May 22 11:38:04 <panto> "Chad was here"
May 22 11:39:01 <fiola> Make that "Theo woz here" and change all the license headers to BSD :P
May 22 11:40:43 <mdp> panto, quit kanging mah codez
May 22 11:41:05 <panto> I kang in wild abandon
May 22 11:41:22 <mdp> but...the children!
May 22 11:41:32 <mdp> can theyz kang too
May 22 11:46:57 <ZubairLK> Hi
May 22 11:49:12 <av500> Lo
May 22 11:49:16 <mru> Z
May 22 11:49:19 <wolfeidau> gday panto
May 22 11:49:36 <panto> hey wolfeidau
May 22 11:50:00 <wolfeidau> Someone mentioned you mite know how to reset the eMMC on this beagle bone black :)
May 22 11:50:30 <wolfeidau> I have been working through an issue with the BBB, the guys i work with use the old beagle bone
May 22 11:50:48 <panto> yes
May 22 11:50:53 <panto> it's... complicated
May 22 11:51:02 <wolfeidau> And they used pins 3 and 6 on P8
May 22 11:51:21 <panto> I would suggest you wait until the next release, where it should be obvious
May 22 11:51:24 <wolfeidau> As GPIO to control an arduino an a cape
May 22 11:51:54 <wolfeidau> Of the board or OS?
May 22 11:52:04 <panto> it's a two step process
May 22 11:52:42 <panto> first you have to use the new u-boot which has a command that enables the reset pin of the emmc via an mmc command
May 22 11:53:11 <panto> and then you have to use a cape that grabs the emmc reset pin and asserts it
May 22 11:54:14 <wolfeidau> When you say assert do you mean raise and lower the voltage to trigger the reset of the eMMC?
May 22 11:54:28 <panto> no, hold the reset low
May 22 11:54:35 <wolfeidau> ok
May 22 11:54:58 <panto> look at the way the cssp camera cape works
May 22 11:56:41 <jackmitchell> grrrr, I _hate_ the PHP build system
May 22 11:57:11 <jackmitchell> it needs nuking from space and re-writing
May 22 11:57:52 <mru> how about nuking php from orbit and _not_ rewriting it?
May 22 11:58:09 <ynezz> and its users
May 22 11:59:10 <ynezz> it might even reduce carbon footprint by half or more
May 22 11:59:14 <fiola> PHP was an April Fool joke that got out of hand.
May 22 12:00:15 <jackmitchell> what are the alternatives? python? ruby?
May 22 12:00:22 <ynezz> only Lua of course
May 22 12:00:24 <mru> cobol
May 22 12:00:28 <mru> cobol on cogs
May 22 12:00:43 <LetoThe2nd> lua is in the netbsd kernel! so its totally super 1337
May 22 12:01:03 <ynezz> or DT :p
May 22 12:01:17 <jackmitchell> and pipe them in over fastcgi?
May 22 12:01:31 <ynezz> we use pipes for beer of course
May 22 12:02:48 <LetoThe2nd> anyways, for a good laugh:http://moogmusic.com/sight-and-sound/product_demo/base-pack-animoog
May 22 12:03:03 <LetoThe2nd> only to be enjoyed with sound!
May 22 12:14:51 <georgem> Are you serious, is lua actually in the netbsd kernel?
May 22 12:18:53 <LetoThe2nd> georgem: http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/13/02/16/2329259/netbsd-to-support-kernel-development-in-lua-scripting
May 22 12:19:05 <LetoThe2nd> and yes, this is serious.
May 22 12:23:50 <georgem> interesting
May 22 12:27:02 <georgem> This is annoying... I've got a max6652 hooked up, I wrote a nice little hwmon driver for it and its giving back 135 for all of the voltages and temps. Guess I should break out the scope and see if any communication is actually happening (I'm getting interrupts)
May 22 12:29:22 <RagBal> Does meta-beaglebone kernel append the dtb to the uImage?
May 22 12:30:30 <av500> in yocto?
May 22 12:30:54 <RagBal> Correct
May 22 12:31:01 <av500> no idea
May 22 12:31:06 <av500> tried #yocto ?
May 22 12:31:48 <RagBal> Well, #angstrom actually because I tried with both
May 22 12:31:57 <RagBal> But they refer me back here
May 22 12:31:58 <av500> angstrom not
May 22 12:32:13 <av500> ansgtrom has a separate dtb file
May 22 12:32:24 <RagBal> Hmm ok
May 22 12:35:06 <RagBal> Angstrom is officially supported by beagle right?
May 22 12:35:36 <av500> yes
May 22 12:39:08 <mdp> Linux is only unofficially supported
May 22 12:40:32 <RagBal> mdp, what OS is officially supported?
May 22 12:40:34 <georgem> "supported" is an over used term.
May 22 12:41:08 <av500> RagBal: angstrom
May 22 12:41:19 <mdp> j/k angstrom is used in the official shipping image
May 22 12:42:58 <georgem> mdp: that doesn't imply that its supported, lol. I can think of a many cases where you get no support at all on firmware that ships from the factory on various devices.
May 22 12:44:36 <mdp> wtf is support?
May 22 12:44:57 <av500> a 2 by 4
May 22 12:45:14 <georgem> Or an I beam
May 22 12:45:31 <mdp> trusses
May 22 12:48:00 <dm8tbr> prusses?
May 22 12:48:22 <mdp> wusses
May 22 12:49:53 <LetoThe2nd> buses
May 22 12:53:13 <av500> plusses
May 22 12:54:52 <mdp> crushes
May 22 12:55:10 <av500> got pluscrushed?
May 22 12:55:32 <mru> doublepluscrushed
May 22 12:55:43 <LetoThe2nd> hrhr
May 22 12:56:09 <georgem> that sounds like a terrible porn movie name or something
May 22 12:56:22 <LetoThe2nd> it actually is literature.
May 22 12:57:38 <thurgood> ... waah, waah, wwwaaaaahhhh
May 22 12:57:41 <mdp> porn literature...ok.
May 22 13:00:26 <Rickta59> ls
May 22 13:00:50 <av500> .
May 22 13:00:51 <av500> ..
May 22 13:01:02 <mru> .: Stale NFS file handle
May 22 13:01:10 <Rickta59> passwd
May 22 13:01:11 <georgem> rootkit.sh
May 22 13:01:15 <Rickta59> cat passwd
May 22 13:01:17 <mru> hunter2
May 22 13:01:24 <Rickta59> foo:1:1:/rm *
May 22 13:01:29 <Rickta59> anyways
May 22 13:01:54 <av500> cat anyways
May 22 13:01:57 <Rickta59> looking at the strange dealings with the uSD cards it seems the easiest way to deal with them is to get a usb reader
May 22 13:02:11 <Rickta59> are usb devices hotpluggable
May 22 13:02:12 <av500> is that like a mind reader?
May 22 13:02:15 <av500> for usb?
May 22 13:02:30 <Rickta59> didn't seem to recognize my device until i rebooted
May 22 13:02:38 <av500> yes
May 22 13:02:42 <georgem> that sounds broken
May 22 13:02:43 <av500> there are hotplug issues
May 22 13:02:49 <av500> known issues
May 22 13:02:52 <Rickta59> k
May 22 13:03:05 <Rickta59> with the 5.8 angstrom image?
May 22 13:03:37 <Rickta59> what about ntfs support?
May 22 13:03:49 * georgem chokes
May 22 13:03:59 <Rickta59> yes i see that .. is there a way to get around that
May 22 13:04:04 <av500> Rickta59: what about it?
May 22 13:04:23 <Rickta59> not part of the system didn't seem there was an angstrom implementation
May 22 13:05:06 <av500> Rickta59: hint: angstrom is linux
May 22 13:05:10 <av500> and linux has ntfs
May 22 13:05:27 <Rickta59> it is .. oh golly i didn't notice that
May 22 13:06:27 <Rickta59> are there legal reasons it isn't included?
May 22 13:06:41 <georgem> zcat /proc/config.gz |grep NTFS
May 22 13:07:26 <mru> uuoc
May 22 13:07:31 <mru> because if you have zcat, you have zgrep
May 22 13:07:54 <georgem> mru: gah. you got me
May 22 13:08:30 <ynezz> pipe addicts
May 22 13:08:40 <woglinde> I like pipes
May 22 13:08:43 <mdp> mru, it's a finger exercise..like warming up on the piano
May 22 13:08:50 <mdp> keep those fingers limber
May 22 13:09:36 <mdp> I like tubes better than pipes
May 22 13:09:37 <Rickta59> is it worth formating a uSD care for jffs2 or is that a waste of time because of the way sdcards work now
May 22 13:09:56 <Rickta59> doesn't the hw do wear leveling now?
May 22 13:10:03 <mru> always has
May 22 13:10:20 <georgem> yeah. lets do a full work out here: /usr/bin/cat /proc/config.gz | /usr/bin/gunzip | /usr/bin/grep NTFS
May 22 13:11:08 <mru> those are all in /bin over here
May 22 13:11:14 <mdp> that should be on a blog we cite for support
May 22 13:11:31 <mdp> need more incorrect blogs
May 22 13:14:59 <dm8tbr> why not a wiki, wikis are _the_ place for incorrect information
May 22 13:15:01 <georgem> Rickta59: If you're going to mess with other file systems I'd suggest f2fs
May 22 13:15:42 <Rickta59> i was just looking at what was configured in the kernel georgem
May 22 13:16:16 <Rickta59> and noticed jffs2 and wondered if it was still relevant
May 22 13:16:33 <georgem> Rickta59: no, its not.
May 22 13:17:01 <Rickta59> i remember some webcamera company pushing it 15 years ago
May 22 13:17:57 <ynezz> it's still used heavilly
May 22 13:20:00 <Rickta59> is useable with spi ram?
May 22 13:20:12 <ynezz> RAM?
May 22 13:20:12 <georgem> yeah. Still shipping a product using it. It has plenty of problems though. The only place for it at this point is small raw NAND/NOR
May 22 13:20:32 <georgem> SPI? Dunno. Never used it on SPI flash
May 22 13:21:50 <woglinde> hm intresstin nvidia has vp8 in hw with tegra4
May 22 13:22:01 <georgem> Cool
May 22 13:22:18 <georgem> Wonder if that will become a trend
May 22 13:22:27 <dm8tbr> not so surprising as it's quite close to h.264
May 22 13:22:43 <mru> video hardware is quite programmable these days
May 22 13:22:50 <woglinde> sure but does not mean hw vendors supports it
May 22 13:22:54 <mru> as long as your filters have enough taps, you're good
May 22 13:24:24 <woglinde> this is nice too
May 22 13:24:25 <av500> as long as the bar has a few taps, I'm good
May 22 13:24:26 <woglinde> https://palava.tv/
May 22 13:24:30 <woglinde> tapas
May 22 13:24:41 <woglinde> and tequilla
May 22 13:38:05 <Tey> Does BeagleBone Black Support Windows CE / Embedded Compact 7?
May 22 13:39:00 <av500> yes
May 22 13:39:05 <av500> but we dont
May 22 13:40:21 <cmicali> koen: just an fyi, all my wifi problems went away when i manually updated to the latest version of conman (1.14) - would be great if angstrom could provide that version
May 22 13:41:16 <panto> Tey, if you afford av500's rate he'll probably set you up
May 22 13:41:20 <panto> but you'll have to pay in bears
May 22 13:43:57 <av500> beers
May 22 13:44:17 <panto> bears with beers?
May 22 13:44:49 <av500> and their peers with pears
May 22 13:50:50 <mdp> but still, would WinCE be officially supported?
May 22 13:51:01 <mdp> if paid in bears with pears?
May 22 13:53:41 <av500> for the right amount of money, sure
May 22 13:54:16 <mru> there may not be that much money in the world, but that's another matter
May 22 13:59:14 <av500> mru: I am sure even M$ can be swayed for a few billions
May 22 14:03:48 <mdp> that's not much even...barely buys you a blog site these days
May 22 14:09:08 <panto> can someone explain to me how a site that hosts cat pictures is worth $1bln? like I'm a complete idiot?
May 22 14:09:11 <panto> cause I just don't get it
May 22 14:11:15 <mru> panto: it also has porn
May 22 14:11:35 <panto> mru, you mean people pay for porn?
May 22 14:11:38 * panto boggles
May 22 14:12:10 <dm8tbr> who controls the pr0n^wspice, controls the universe!
May 22 14:15:12 <av500> panto: it has 100million blogs
May 22 14:15:19 <av500> thus its 10$ per blog
May 22 14:15:22 <av500> not much ;)
May 22 14:15:46 <panto> so people actually pay to read inaccurate/insane information?
May 22 14:15:56 <av500> no
May 22 14:15:59 <av500> yahoo pays
May 22 14:16:33 <panto> yahoo's right then
May 22 14:23:35 <SlashV> I saw a picture of the yahoo ceo with the tumblr dude..
May 22 14:23:50 <SlashV> looked to me like there was more to this transaction :D
May 22 14:34:13 <ka6sox-away> Mourning
May 22 14:34:53 <ka6sox> I wish europe would give me the Condensed Version of what happens overnight..this 8 pages to read before coffee is just too much.
May 22 14:35:44 <ka6sox> panto, PATA is doable and  PATA to SATA is a FPGA function
May 22 14:36:16 <ka6sox> barely
May 22 14:36:17 <panto> CPLD function?
May 22 14:36:21 <ka6sox> yes
May 22 14:36:24 <ka6sox> well
May 22 14:36:36 <ka6sox> the last bit is CPLD (the 1.5Gb stuff)
May 22 14:36:55 <ka6sox> it won't perform well...
May 22 14:37:06 <mdp> ka6sox, large print edition?
May 22 14:37:20 <ka6sox> mdp, preferrably
May 22 14:40:08 <ka6sox> panto, I"ve done a PCIe to LocalBus using a PLX part + FPGA
May 22 14:40:23 <ka6sox> thats quite doable
May 22 14:40:40 <ka6sox> the PLX part does PCIe<>PCI<>LocalBus
May 22 14:40:47 <mdp> I love those parts
May 22 14:40:58 <ka6sox> ya, me too
May 22 14:41:11 <m_billybob> ka6sox, for what its worth. you can buy PATA<->SATA bridges fairly cheaply from addonic.
May 22 14:41:19 <m_billybob> addonics*
May 22 14:41:39 <ka6sox> m_billybob, thanks, good to know
May 22 14:42:06 <ka6sox> mdp, just don't put them in a temp controlled Clean room....
May 22 14:42:09 <ka6sox> they stop working.
May 22 14:42:16 <mdp> heh
May 22 14:42:42 <mdp> ka6sox, I used to work with the _PCI_ versions of those...plx9030..nice chip
May 22 14:43:05 <ka6sox> ya, the PLX parts are nice stuff...
May 22 14:43:24 <ka6sox> when I go to NorCal I drive right by them.
May 22 14:44:59 <av500> yes, pata to sata you can get for cheap
May 22 14:45:05 <ka6sox> mdp, we used PLX8311
May 22 14:45:07 <av500> so its only gpmc to pata to be solved
May 22 14:45:17 <av500> or pru to pata
May 22 14:45:56 <av500> so with USB, we get 20MB/s write and 10MB/s read to/from USB HDD
May 22 14:46:00 <ka6sox> av500, GPMC would be faster but still too slow
May 22 14:46:07 <av500> ka6sox: too slow for what?
May 22 14:46:29 <ka6sox> 62.5mhz clock max on GPMC
May 22 14:46:33 <av500> and?
May 22 14:46:39 <av500> I did PATA on a 12MHz SH1
May 22 14:47:11 <ka6sox> go fast, turn left
May 22 14:48:29 <panto> btw, shouldn't 33MHz PCI be doable with PRU?
May 22 14:48:42 <ka6sox> 8 bit
May 22 14:48:51 <ka6sox> let me back up....
May 22 14:49:09 <av500> ka6sox: ok, PIO4 mode 4 is only 16MB/s anyway
May 22 14:49:15 <av500> so USB is even faster in that case
May 22 14:49:22 <av500> we would need to go for some UDMA mode
May 22 14:49:27 <ka6sox> with a BEAGLE you can only get 8 bit
May 22 14:49:35 <av500> ?
May 22 14:49:41 <av500> no 16bit on gpmc?
May 22 14:49:55 <ka6sox> the PRU<>GPMC isn't pretty
May 22 14:50:21 <ka6sox> contention
May 22 14:50:39 <ka6sox> if you want to use GPMC, use eDMA
May 22 14:50:46 <av500> sure
May 22 14:50:51 <av500> but do I have 16bit?
May 22 14:50:55 <av500> on the cape pins
May 22 14:50:57 <av500> or not?
May 22 14:51:05 <ka6sox> cape pins yes
May 22 14:51:10 <av500> good
May 22 14:51:23 <ka6sox> but the PRU pins only can support like 10 bits
May 22 14:51:27 <av500> right
May 22 14:51:33 <av500> I did not mean pru anyway
May 22 14:51:36 <av500> only GPMC
May 22 14:52:21 <ka6sox> 16bit GPMC will be 1/2 duplex and if you are lucky...16mhz mode is doable...
May 22 14:52:56 <av500> half?
May 22 14:53:17 <av500> say I want to burst read a block of 16 bit words
May 22 14:53:22 <av500> or write
May 22 14:53:27 <av500> fixed address
May 22 14:53:37 <av500> which is the ATA use case
May 22 14:54:05 <ka6sox> that will be PIO mode as I don't think the burst mode on GPMC will go that long.
May 22 14:54:15 <panto> hi alan_o
May 22 14:54:28 <ka6sox> mourning alan_o
May 22 14:56:43 <alan_o> hey guys, what's shakin here?
May 22 14:57:02 <ka6sox> PIO mode4 PATA
May 22 14:57:35 <alan_o> that sounds like tons of fun
May 22 14:58:25 <ka6sox> av500, setup the eDMA, let the PRU control the signalling lines for the PATA and start the eDMA
May 22 14:58:27 <escion> hi guys, anyone has already to tried to cross-compile rtl8192cu Realtek drivers?
May 22 14:58:37 <koen> no ISA bus?
May 22 14:58:50 <ka6sox>  /ignore koen
May 22 14:58:53 <ka6sox> :P
May 22 14:58:54 <koen> escion: there's present in the kernel
May 22 14:59:29 <ka6sox> I'm sure CCO would LOVE a PC/104 Cape.
May 22 14:59:43 <escion> it doesn't work properly
May 22 14:59:49 <av500> ka6sox: yes, thats how DMA works :)
May 22 14:59:57 <escion> so I decided to cross-compile Realtek ones
May 22 15:00:01 <av500> thats what I meant
May 22 15:00:04 <escion> following a tutorial
May 22 15:00:17 <ka6sox> av500, got it.
May 22 15:00:37 <ka6sox> #exactsteps
May 22 15:00:53 <escion> I have the following error: No rule to make target "modules"
May 22 15:01:06 <escion> apparently the kernel source directory is not correct
May 22 15:01:11 <ka6sox> escion, did you not see that its there?
May 22 15:01:53 <escion> yes I did, but actually doesn't work
May 22 15:02:09 <jackmitchell> oh man, C Pre-processor and Macros in devicetree generation sounds like a disaster waiting to happen
May 22 15:02:44 <koen> jackmitchell: yes, they should use javascript
May 22 15:02:45 <jackmitchell> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg89273.html
May 22 15:02:52 <koen> or cobol on cogs
May 22 15:02:53 <jackmitchell> koen: heh ;)
May 22 15:03:08 <av500> koen: why is it OMAP specific???
May 22 15:03:53 <jackmitchell> I know right, vendor specific DT macros...
May 22 15:04:00 <av500> yeah!
May 22 15:04:10 <av500> evil vendor Dtrees
May 22 15:04:20 <av500> job security!!!!
May 22 15:04:38 <mdp> now we are back to putting "platform data" in C files ... sorta ;)
May 22 15:05:02 <mdp> KotH is sure to declare JIHAD at any moment
May 22 15:05:07 <av500> no
May 22 15:05:10 <ka6sox> escion, what distro are you using?
May 22 15:05:10 <av500> OMAP_JIHAD_
May 22 15:05:13 <koen> the patches don't seem like a real improvement to me
May 22 15:05:24 <av500> koen: +1
May 22 15:05:28 <escion> ubuntu 13.04
May 22 15:05:34 <av500> specially all the defines that define the same gpiox value
May 22 15:05:36 <ka6sox> on which platform?
May 22 15:05:37 <koen> gpio5 22 vs GPIO_OMAP(182)
May 22 15:05:50 <mdp> LOL
May 22 15:05:54 <mdp> he made magic numbers
May 22 15:05:55 <mdp> duh
May 22 15:06:01 <av500> I mean, there is this thing called "math"
May 22 15:06:14 <ka6sox> av500, foreign concept
May 22 15:06:17 <koen> you mean 'meth'
May 22 15:06:24 <ka6sox> escion, what board?
May 22 15:06:27 <mdp> it's no longer a h/w description with that conversion
May 22 15:06:43 <av500> see, 224/32 + 1 = 8
May 22 15:06:50 <mdp> easy!
May 22 15:06:50 <av500> #define OMAP_GPIO_224_BANK      gpio8
May 22 15:06:55 <mdp> easy!
May 22 15:07:10 <panto> oh boy
May 22 15:07:12 <panto> that's crap
May 22 15:07:34 <av500> OMAP_GPIO(150, GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH)
May 22 15:07:40 <av500> well, this is an improvemebt
May 22 15:07:42 <av500> over
May 22 15:07:46 <av500> <&gpio5 22 0>
May 22 15:07:47 <mdp> panto, I'm glad I care less now ;)
May 22 15:08:25 <mdp> the latter is useful
May 22 15:08:26 <panto> av500, somewhat
May 22 15:08:49 <panto> it stands out like a sore thumb
May 22 15:08:52 <av500> ?
May 22 15:08:57 <av500> what would you like better?
May 22 15:09:01 <av500> the ball name?
May 22 15:09:40 <mdp> <&gpio5 22 GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH>
May 22 15:09:41 <panto> the ball name is not enough
May 22 15:09:45 <panto> mdp, +1
May 22 15:09:55 <mdp> ball name is irrelevant to _gpio_ ip
May 22 15:10:00 <av500> right
May 22 15:10:09 <panto> define /GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH/ 0x0
May 22 15:10:13 <av500> well, 150 or 5,22 I do not care
May 22 15:10:19 <panto> you do
May 22 15:10:27 <koen> I like the mdp variant
May 22 15:10:31 <panto> cause the number (150) is bogus
May 22 15:10:43 <panto> depends on the order of gpio driver loading
May 22 15:10:45 <av500> ok, so: GPIO(5 ,22, GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH)
May 22 15:10:56 <mdp> whatever happened to the dtc specific preprocessor patches? all rejected?
May 22 15:10:57 <panto> av500, yeah
May 22 15:11:08 <mdp> I don't even care if it's cpp or something stupider
May 22 15:11:16 <av500> and GPIO is defined in whatever is needed for OMAP
May 22 15:11:23 <panto> mdp, let's just say the DT people are not conductive to change
May 22 15:11:24 <mdp> av500, yes, basically, his implementation sucks
May 22 15:11:45 <mdp> I'm very happy with your example there
May 22 15:12:01 <i2c> ok guys :D
May 22 15:12:01 <mdp> I can go to the TRM and instantly (hahaha) grok it
May 22 15:12:05 <i2c> i still have a problem
May 22 15:12:17 <i2c> in ubuntu in the BBB when i do i2cdetect -l
May 22 15:12:23 <i2c> it only detect 2
May 22 15:12:28 <av500> mdp: not instantly, you PDF viewer written in .js will take a few minutes to load it...
May 22 15:12:30 <av500> your*
May 22 15:12:31 <i2c> while it should detect 3
May 22 15:12:45 <panto> why?
May 22 15:12:57 <i2c> i tried to config my kernel
May 22 15:13:06 <ka6sox> 13 different distros...only 1 of which is tested to work with the BBB
May 22 15:13:08 <koen> because ubuntu always detects one more
May 22 15:13:13 <panto> did you enabled I2C1?
May 22 15:13:14 <koen> shuttleboy paid for it
May 22 15:13:20 <i2c> and i downloaded the DTC = device tree compiler
May 22 15:14:08 <Tey> why you guys hate Win CE?
May 22 15:14:13 <av500> hate?
May 22 15:14:15 <i2c> and downloaded the dtsi files but no luck
May 22 15:14:16 <ka6sox> hate?
May 22 15:14:18 <av500> we dont hate it
May 22 15:14:22 <av500> its just not open source
May 22 15:14:24 <Tey> "dont like"
May 22 15:14:29 <av500> thus it is not in scope here
May 22 15:14:33 <Tey> so thats the point
May 22 15:14:34 <mdp> av500, plus I have to think hard if the kernel I'm running still implements omap fortran numbering on hwmod versus dts entries ;)
May 22 15:14:47 <av500> Tey: we do not care about it
May 22 15:14:52 <av500> we dont get to play with it
May 22 15:14:57 <av500> so what fun should it be
May 22 15:15:17 <panto> av500, come on, don't you secretly want to run VB on the bone?
May 22 15:15:26 <av500> panto: we have .js
May 22 15:15:35 <Tey> im developing C#, cant use linux then...
May 22 15:15:37 <av500> its the open source version of VB
May 22 15:15:38 <panto> I try not to think about it
May 22 15:15:43 <av500> Tey: sure you can
May 22 15:15:47 <jackmitchell> Tey: go read about Mono
May 22 15:15:47 <panto> Tey, it's your choice
May 22 15:15:49 <ka6sox> panto, +1
May 22 15:16:13 <av500> yep, use mono, works fine
May 22 15:16:22 <panto> if MS wants the bone to run windows they can pay the costs of porting it
May 22 15:16:25 <ka6sox> that sounds like a disease
May 22 15:16:27 <Tey> av500, i can?
May 22 15:16:31 <av500> you can
May 22 15:16:36 <Tey> mono
May 22 15:16:36 <av500> its open source :)
May 22 15:16:37 <Tey> hm
May 22 15:16:37 <escion> beaglebone A6a
May 22 15:16:51 <panto> just don't expect 3rd party libraries to work
May 22 15:16:54 <fiola> Tey: Win CE contains an NSA backdoor, a keylogger, a secret bitcoin miner, and is an access portal for the Illuminati.  That's why we don't like it.  Prove it doesn't. :P
May 22 15:16:54 <ka6sox> escion, go to the mailing list and ask this question.
May 22 15:17:07 <georgem> Tey: Through personal experience I've found that developing products with close source kernels often ends badly for numerous reasons.
May 22 15:17:15 <ka6sox> I'm sure someone who plays with Ubuntu can answer it.
May 22 15:17:25 <mdp> it's probably kanged our codez anyway
May 22 15:17:45 <Tey> i believe, c# wouldnt run properly on a non-win platform with Mono
May 22 15:17:50 <i2c> mdp: any idea how to config my kernel in ubuntu to detect the 3rd i2c
May 22 15:17:53 <panto> mdp, too bad, he stole the kernel you created
May 22 15:18:02 <av500> Tey: do you have strong beliefs?
May 22 15:18:11 <Tey> depends
May 22 15:18:13 <panto> "I believe I can fly"
May 22 15:18:24 <panto> <splat>
May 22 15:18:26 * georgem breaks out into song
May 22 15:18:30 <mdp> panto, I have a private community sharing mods to the CCO evil tree now too.
May 22 15:18:31 * ka6sox moves away from panto
May 22 15:19:01 <panto> mdp, so it's an evil private community, modifying an evil vendor tree
May 22 15:19:06 <panto> evil^2
May 22 15:19:22 <mdp> i2c, add an entry to the dts for the 3rd i2c instance, rebuild dtb..load it..or build dtbo fragment, manually load it
May 22 15:19:33 <mdp> panto, join us
May 22 15:19:43 <georgem> do you have cookies?
May 22 15:19:45 <mdp> kanging shall set you free
May 22 15:19:47 <panto> am I evil enough?
May 22 15:19:52 <ka6sox> mdp, you are trying to seduce him to the dark side.
May 22 15:19:54 <i2c> mdp: ok look i swear i have been working in that for 8 hours with 3 of my friend but no luck
May 22 15:20:18 <panto> i2c, perhaps reading the docs about i2c and DT would help
May 22 15:20:30 <i2c> panto: i did
May 22 15:20:31 <panto> Documentation/devicetree/bindings
May 22 15:20:42 <ka6sox> how many kernels do we need to support...everyones oddball kernel?
May 22 15:21:03 <fiola> "Belief" isn't required to know that MS puts backdoors in systems to comply with USA government requests.  It's not my government, so I'm not about to put up with it.
May 22 15:21:10 <Tey> back to my question, has anyone installed CE on the board yet?
May 22 15:21:18 <KotH> EVIL VENDOR DT JIHAD!
May 22 15:21:35 <panto> Tey, not as far as we know
May 22 15:21:55 <panto> and we wouldn't really know even if they did, would we?
May 22 15:22:04 <fiola> Nobody is insane enough to want to.
May 22 15:22:11 <mdp> KotH, that's the spirit!
May 22 15:22:14 <koen> that's what the backdoor is for
May 22 15:22:23 <av500> Tey: not that we know of
May 22 15:22:25 <koen> to see if someone used it on the bone
May 22 15:22:31 <av500> Tey: as said, this is the wrong crowd
May 22 15:22:45 <av500> people that do that usually write a white paper and try to sell you stuff
May 22 15:22:49 <av500> they dont come here
May 22 15:22:53 <georgem> and some crack
May 22 15:22:56 <georgem> smoke*
May 22 15:23:01 <mdp> ka6sox, we only support angstrom's oddball kernel ... carefully avoiding the weird linus kernel...officially ;)
May 22 15:23:17 <mdp> ka6sox, there is light at the end of this evil tunnel
May 22 15:23:26 <koen> linus is too busy printing cats
May 22 15:23:35 <fiola> And it's a train coming your way :P
May 22 15:23:52 <av500> Tey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQrYJyXJR4E
May 22 15:23:54 <av500> there
May 22 15:24:29 <av500> Tey: go ask these people
May 22 15:24:35 <av500> but bring money
May 22 15:25:24 * fiola is reminded of the high street ATMs displaying a prominent Windows error screen.
May 22 15:25:36 <ka6sox> koen, did linus get a 3d printer?
May 22 15:25:37 <av500> dma
May 22 15:25:41 <av500> oops
May 22 15:25:48 <av500> http://www.chipsee.com/
May 22 15:26:32 <koen> ka6sox: makerbot replicator 2
May 22 15:26:34 <i2c> mdp: so do you have any tut
May 22 15:26:42 <i2c> or steps i can follow
May 22 15:26:46 <koen> ka6sox: check his g+
May 22 15:26:57 <panto> av500, http://www.chipsee.com/best-product/bbb-exp.html ?
May 22 15:27:09 <av500> thats the LCD
May 22 15:27:10 <ka6sox> will do
May 22 15:27:29 <ka6sox> iirc he has Girls...so printing cats makes sense.
May 22 15:27:38 <av500> but I guess they are a M$ gold platinum latinum unobtainium partner
May 22 15:27:39 <panto> av500, I know, I mean how do they got the LCD to work on the black ?
May 22 15:28:24 <av500> panto: check the schematics of their "open" hardware....
May 22 15:29:06 <panto> err, link?
May 22 15:29:20 <av500> 暂无PDF文档
May 22 15:29:23 <av500> :)
May 22 15:29:27 <panto> lol
May 22 15:30:25 <av500> panto: log in first
May 22 15:30:33 <georgem> http://www.svtronics.com/AM335-Development-Kit?product_id=41
May 22 15:31:00 <av500> its FCC and windows CE certified
May 22 15:31:25 <av500> http://www.chipsee.com/product/ipc/10inch/ipc104.html
May 22 15:33:17 <georgem> I've been down that road before. US company tries to sell you something that "works out of the box". You call and ask a simple question. "We'll have to ask our friends in China about that..." a month later... *silence*
May 22 15:34:43 <ka6sox> georgem, the term is *crickets*
May 22 15:34:52 <i2c> mdp: i found that i dont have any dts files at all, i just have dtp
May 22 15:35:14 <georgem> I have a phobia of those. I don't use that word. ICK
May 22 15:35:49 <mru> georgem: is it the thing or the word that bothers you?
May 22 15:36:34 <georgem> mru: both. one jumped on my face (right between my eyes) when I was a kid laying down in bed.
May 22 15:37:26 <mru> there was a spider in my bed a few days ago
May 22 15:38:33 <ka6sox> mru, you are lucky you didn't become like Gulliver
May 22 15:38:42 <georgem> yeah, spiders dont both me. its the lightning fast jumping that messes with me.
May 22 15:39:12 <mru> ka6sox: we don't get many dangerous spiders here
May 22 15:40:17 <ka6sox> everything dangerous lives in Australia....
May 22 15:41:09 <fiola> But we have lawyers instead, much worse.
May 22 15:41:20 <mru> ugh yes
May 22 15:41:25 <georgem> If you get to choose which insect to be afraid of ticks and mosquitoes are the most logical choices. Probably the most likely to harm you
May 22 15:41:37 <mru> fiola: but I rarely find those in my bed
May 22 15:41:46 <ka6sox> here we have deer ticks that carry RMSF
May 22 15:41:52 <av500> RMS?
May 22 15:41:55 <av500> please
May 22 15:41:56 <fiola> mru: stop it, I'll have nightmares!
May 22 15:42:02 <georgem> ka6s0x: my wife has/had that.
May 22 15:42:12 <mru> in fact, I've never found a lawyer in my bed
May 22 15:42:20 <av500> ka6sox: ok, looks like we are stuck on pata4 with max 16MB/s :(
May 22 15:42:26 <KotH> mru: we could arange that
May 22 15:42:27 <av500> that UDMA looks quite complex
May 22 15:42:33 <ka6sox> av500, ya, unfortunately
May 22 15:42:35 <mdp> ka6sox, we had a kid that left his tent flap open while biking last weekend..and the sleeping bag was covered in ticks ;)
May 22 15:42:49 <mdp> it's that time of year
May 22 15:42:53 <mru> KotH: now you're scaring me
May 22 15:43:03 <ka6sox> mdp, has RMSF travelled that far east?
May 22 15:43:10 <av500> there are nice lawyers too
May 22 15:43:28 <mru> yes, I've met one or two
May 22 15:43:32 <KotH> mru: always at your service :-)
May 22 15:43:48 <mdp> ka6sox, we have lyme disease
May 22 15:43:59 <av500> we have GEMA
May 22 15:44:04 <ka6sox> ya, thats bad too.
May 22 15:44:13 <Defiant> .o0()
May 22 15:44:16 <ka6sox> my wife got a tick that took a month to get rid of all of it.
May 22 15:44:19 <mdp> ka6sox, first thing you learn for the outdoors is find them fast
May 22 15:44:58 <ka6sox> we did a hike in our local mountains...it was fun till we got back and found it.
May 22 15:45:04 <ka6sox> (she had fun)
May 22 15:45:09 <mdp> ugh
May 22 15:45:15 <Spirilis> yergh
May 22 15:45:22 <Spirilis> this is a nasty conversation lol
May 22 15:45:26 <KotH> av500: rotfl
May 22 15:45:27 <Spirilis> bad ticks
May 22 15:45:30 <Spirilis> baaad
May 22 15:45:47 <av500> we pull ticks off the kids here all the time
May 22 15:45:54 <KotH> Spirilis: we are not yet talking about the other ugly stuff that you can get when being outdoors...
May 22 15:46:15 <georgem> yeah, my wife grew up in Canada and spent tons of time outdoors. She didn't even know what a tick was until she met me. Shes got so many problems the doctors can barely figure out whats wrong with her. Don't mess around with that stuff.
May 22 15:46:18 <mru> KotH: sunshine?
May 22 15:46:28 <KotH> Spirilis: neither have we gotten to the STM like RPI
May 22 15:46:39 <KotH> mru: very dangerouse stuff!
May 22 15:46:41 <mdp> ka6sox, I carry a too like this: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/filesroot/tick%20key.jpg
May 22 15:46:50 <KotH> mru: i've seen people being killed by that!
May 22 15:46:57 <KotH> mru: it has gotten me a few times already
May 22 15:47:08 <mdp> ka6sox, but we try to remind people in our groups to check each other periodically..legs/arms while hiking
May 22 15:47:16 <Spirilis> KotH: lol now you're just throwing acronyms ;)
May 22 15:47:22 <fiola> KotH: Well usually it only rains cats and dog, and the occasional frog.  But yeah, you can get flattened by a lawyer outdoors too.
May 22 15:47:26 <ka6sox> mdp, ya, I'll have to get one of those for my Son before Camp.
May 22 15:47:41 <mdp> ka6sox, yeah, best thing is prevention though..but...you know
May 22 15:47:42 <Spirilis> yeah a lady I went to highschool with has lyme disease, sounds like it took her a while to figure it out and now she has random flares of problems from time to time
May 22 15:47:51 <KotH> mdp: isnt a squeezer better suited?
May 22 15:47:51 <av500> http://www.dr-schick.de/bildergalerie/600x800/zeckenzange-ultra.jpg
May 22 15:47:58 <ka6sox> he loves long shirts...that will help
May 22 15:48:12 <mdp> ka6sox, I've got a story from a "greyer-hair" than me about a kid having to remove one from his junk...ahahaha
May 22 15:48:17 <georgem> My advice would be make sure you learn how to properly remove a tick.
May 22 15:48:29 <ka6sox> mdp, WTMI
May 22 15:48:31 <Rickta59> so what prevents bonescript from toggling a pin, i'm trying to use P8_3
May 22 15:48:39 <mdp> KotH, there's several varieties that do roughly the same thing
May 22 15:48:54 <mdp> I've done it with my knife too
May 22 15:49:00 <KotH> mdp: amputation?
May 22 15:49:04 <av500> mdp: hand to hand combat?
May 22 15:49:08 <KotH> mdp: isn't that a bit ... harsh?
May 22 15:49:09 <mdp> lol
May 22 15:49:11 <mru> nitric acid usually does the trick
May 22 15:49:13 <av500> tick came to the knife fight with a gun?
May 22 15:49:33 <i2c> mdp: i have the dts file now, what should i do next
May 22 15:49:37 <mdp> KotH, well, you can't use tweezers in the conventional way..you leave the head in
May 22 15:49:41 <Rickta59> http://pastebin.com/TNi4iARt .. usr3 is toggling but not P8_3
May 22 15:49:47 <ka6sox> Rickta59, DT prevents it
May 22 15:49:49 <mdp> gotta get that sucker out whole
May 22 15:49:59 <mru> can DT help with that?
May 22 15:50:02 <georgem> http://www.thecompassstore.com/tick1.html?productid=tick1&channelid=FROOG&gclid=CKXL2Z6IqrcCFVTl7AodwD0AZA
May 22 15:50:05 <ka6sox> mru, nope
May 22 15:50:11 <mdp> another DT _fail_
May 22 15:50:16 <Rickta59> so which pin would be better
May 22 15:50:19 <KotH> mru: i like nitrouc acid better: ONOH! ;)
May 22 15:51:24 <KotH> mdp: back in the old days, when i was a scout, we used fine tweezers to hold the tick below its head
May 22 15:51:37 <ka6sox> Rickta59, what is the default use for that pin?
May 22 15:51:43 <mdp> KotH, right..these tools all work a bit better
May 22 15:51:51 <mdp> keep it next to your bottle opener ;)
May 22 15:51:55 <KotH> mdp: worked well..usually...unless the guy handling the tweezers was an idiot :)
May 22 15:52:04 <mdp> right ;)
May 22 15:52:07 <Rickta59> no idea ka6sox
May 22 15:52:08 <mru> most people are idiots
May 22 15:52:14 <mdp> +1
May 22 15:52:19 <KotH> +23
May 22 15:52:22 <georgem> +1
May 22 15:52:24 <ka6sox> mru, +1e27
May 22 15:52:28 <mdp> bunch of dumbasses
May 22 15:52:34 <mdp> I think we are in agreement here
May 22 15:52:35 <mdp> next topic
May 22 15:53:01 <ka6sox> Rickta59, find one that has a use of GPIO as its default use.
May 22 15:53:06 <KotH> yeah.. especially the guy who, at a scouts meeting, out in the woods, put 1kg of salt into the tea water.. thinking it was sugar
May 22 15:53:15 <mdp> lol
May 22 15:53:39 <mru> salt, sugar, either way the tea is ruined
May 22 15:53:51 <av500> +1
May 22 15:53:54 <av500> +54
May 22 15:53:56 <KotH> mru: as a kid, you want sugar in your tea :)
May 22 15:54:01 <KotH> mru: lots of it
May 22 15:54:06 <mdp> tea ruins tea
May 22 15:54:09 <av500> lol
May 22 15:54:25 <mru> coffee is definitely a supierior beverage
May 22 15:54:29 <KotH> mdp: you haven't had the right the then, yet ;)
May 22 15:54:31 <mru> +spelling
May 22 15:54:38 <KotH> mru: uhmm....
May 22 15:54:42 <KotH> mru: no comment
May 22 15:55:03 <mdp> KotH, I'm a evil person that likes steamed milk with my coffee too
May 22 15:55:09 <mdp> yes, JIHAD!
May 22 15:55:59 <mru> tea can be ok
May 22 15:56:10 <mru> but it takes coffee to be great
May 22 15:57:42 <ka6sox> okay ladies and trolls...I need to work...
May 22 15:58:33 <Rickta59> P8_7 seems to work thanks
May 22 15:59:08 <KotH> ka6sox-farfarawa: have fun
May 22 15:59:32 <KotH> mdp: you live on the other side of the big pond, i doubt you have anything that resembles coffee ;)
May 22 15:59:39 <ka6sox-farfarawa> KotH, I'll trade you...I have to work with Java today :P
May 22 15:59:50 <KotH> ka6sox-farfarawa: oh...
May 22 15:59:55 <mru> is that even possible?
May 22 15:59:56 <KotH> ka6sox-farfarawa: good luck then
May 22 16:00:10 <panto> ka6sox-farfarawa, better you than me
May 22 16:00:38 <ka6sox-farfarawa> wish me luck...I'm goin in!
May 22 16:00:51 <panto> we're all counting on you
May 22 16:00:55 <panto> (I had fish)
May 22 16:01:13 <mdp> heh
May 22 16:01:13 <mdp> we fix and improve all things here
May 22 16:01:16 <mdp> we're efficiency experts with English spellings as well...all part of improving the world ;)
May 22 16:01:34 <mdp> mm..fishy
May 22 16:04:15 * KotH will have fish
May 22 16:04:22 * KotH has been invited to sushi
May 22 16:09:03 <KotH> bye boys
May 22 16:09:06 <KotH> have a nice evening
May 22 16:10:55 * panto facepalms with the guy that disassembled the dtbo's instead of just looking at the sources
May 22 16:11:13 <mdp> hah
May 22 16:11:30 <panto> which part of open-source is hard to get? :)
May 22 16:11:37 <mdp> panto, register for the cco community to get the dtbo sourcez
May 22 16:11:55 <mdp> panto, he heard "open sores"
May 22 16:12:02 <mdp> slight confusion there
May 22 16:18:30 <woglinde> re
May 22 16:18:45 <woglinde> panto haha android
May 22 16:22:17 <Rickta59> yeah like reading the comments in the source reflects the code
May 22 16:23:06 <Rickta59> so .. is there anything you useful you can do with bonescript other than occasionally toggle a pin and read some values?
May 22 16:31:06 <Calc> Rickta59: toggling pins is the root of microprocessor communications...
May 22 16:31:50 <Rickta59> yeah it doesn't feel like i could toggle them with any kind of timing accuracy
May 22 16:32:01 <Calc> the basic point is usually to sample the enviroment via sensors, external chips, etc. and then do control based on that
May 22 16:32:33 <Calc> so, the my solar panel isn't getting as much light, activate servo to reaim it at the sun
May 22 16:32:43 <Rickta59> yeah .. that is what i meant by occasionally
May 22 16:32:57 <Rickta59> doesn't look like it has spi built in
May 22 16:33:15 <m_billybob> has nothing but gpio build in
May 22 16:33:16 <Rickta59> so doing something like driving a strip of WS2811 isn't really going to happen
May 22 16:33:32 <Rickta59> unless i'm just sending that to another chip
May 22 16:33:57 <m_billybob> have analogread/write but meh . . .
May 22 16:34:14 <Rickta59> when i run the analogwrite it just says it isn't found
May 22 16:34:49 <m_billybob> might be something that allows you to toggle it on ? *shrug*
May 22 16:35:20 <Rickta59> seems like it has potential .. just isn't there yet
May 22 16:35:39 <m_billybob> maybe have to load a device tree or something, but i really dotn know. i fooled with bonescript for an hour maybe two then decided it was time ot move on
May 22 16:35:52 <m_billybob> oh yeah dont get me wrong could be very useful its just not finished
May 22 16:36:23 <m_billybob> or maybe it is ? lol in which case yah might have to write your own
May 22 16:37:09 <m_billybob> idk . . . ill give it more of a look once i get a proper toolchain setup
May 22 16:39:50 <panto> jkridner_, are you around?
May 22 16:44:07 <joel_> that's why one has the option to either use bonescript or do their own native development
May 22 16:44:39 <m_billybob> or third option of finishing bonescipt and contgributing
May 22 16:44:47 <m_billybob> contributing too
May 22 16:44:52 <Rickta59> seems like the intro page of BBB makes it seem like that is the default way of using the BB
May 22 16:45:10 <m_billybob> Rick, think adruino
May 22 16:45:19 <Rickta59> but it isn't arduino ..
May 22 16:45:19 <m_billybob> ease of use for the hobbyist
May 22 16:46:25 <Spirilis> does bonescript currently implement the devicetree stuff in the background for pinMode() or is that still in development?  thought it was
May 22 16:46:32 <Spirilis> should get more interesting once that's working
May 22 16:49:04 <proesel> Hello, I have a question about the UART port from the LCD header. (UART1). I use my programm at the expantion header (UART2) and it works. So I need one more UART so I want to try UART1. I switched the pins (TX and RX) to UART. but it doesnt work.  Is there anything more I have to do?
May 22 17:01:38 <m_billybob> proesel, perhaps you need to set pinmux accordingly, but im not 100% sure nor exactly how to do that yet. Have seen some talk on the groups about it is all.
May 22 17:03:54 <proesel> thanks m_billybob, I allready set my pins to uart.  Fist only RX and TX (only they are connected) now also RTS and CTS. But no signal.
May 22 17:37:45 <m_billybob> proesel, hmm stumper
May 22 17:55:16 <ck300> Hey guys, i'm trying to get a beaglebone to boot off of an external micro sd card. will I be able to tell if I have successfully installed uboot on the sdcard by watching it boot with minicom?
May 22 17:56:54 <thurgood> should see the option to drop into the uboot shell if it's installed correctly
May 22 17:57:36 <ck300> @thurgood, all i need to do is drop the uboot binary in the properly formatted sd card in the /boot folder, and then just plug in and power up?
May 22 17:57:59 <thurgood> need MLO first then uboot
May 22 17:57:59 <ck300> will i be able to see the uboot shell even if there is no rootfs or uimage installed?
May 22 17:58:08 <ck300> aah. ok.
May 22 17:58:09 <thurgood> yes
May 22 17:58:28 <thurgood> uboot starts up uImage
May 22 17:58:30 <ck300> the guide i'm using doesn't mention MLO
May 22 17:59:04 <Rickta59> get a usb-serial device connected to the serial port
May 22 17:59:29 <Rickta59> and it will all be revealed
May 22 18:00:10 <ck300> does the u-boot git automatically create MLO?
May 22 18:00:45 <ck300> nvm i'll figure that out myself :P
May 22 18:01:27 <ck300> @thurgood one last question, i don't need to install anything or modify anything directly on the beaglebone itself, do i? everything is just installed on the sd card?
May 22 18:03:00 <ck300> and thanks for your help :)
May 22 18:03:02 <thurgood> don't think so
May 22 18:04:04 <thurgood> don't have a bbblack, it's always sold out when I think about buying one
May 22 18:04:27 <ck300> it's not a black, just a normal beaglebone
May 22 18:04:32 <ck300> revision A something or other
May 22 18:04:42 <thurgood> oh, the white, you don't need anything on the board
May 22 18:04:44 <Rickta59> mouse has them at the moment thurgood
May 22 18:05:58 <ck300> yeh the white one. thanks so much. first time cross compiling an operating system, and that part had me kinda stuck lol.
May 22 18:18:59 <Calc> for the guys who followed Robert Nelson's guide on http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black   what is it building
May 22 18:19:19 <Calc> there's a kernel for the bbb, but then it just wants you to download ubuntu minimal...
May 22 18:22:24 <panto> dinner time
May 22 18:30:41 <m_billybob> Calc, you're building uboot and linux from sources. the ubuntu and debian bits are rootfs
May 22 18:32:26 <Calc> alright, and the dts files I'm going to need for the cape those are in linux source?
May 22 18:32:56 <m_billybob> no idea, but i bet if you pked around in the script file you could make it so
May 22 18:33:14 <m_billybob> dont ask me how, because i dotn know yet either lol
May 22 18:33:26 <Calc> heh
May 22 18:34:01 <m_billybob> ive gotlots of reading / learning to do yet myself, and notleast of whcih is setting up a proper cross compiler toolchain
May 22 18:34:01 <Calc> I don't know which is better, angstrom or ubuntu for the bbbk but, it looks like ubuntu might be easier to deal with at least
May 22 18:34:17 <Calc> m_billybob: I hear you on that one
May 22 18:34:19 <m_billybob> what is it that you want ?
May 22 18:34:26 <m_billybob> console ? desktop ?
May 22 18:34:50 <Calc> console
May 22 18:34:59 <m_billybob> id say probably debian then
May 22 18:35:03 <Calc> eventual goal: CANbus datalogger
May 22 18:35:36 <m_billybob> what i did with those instruction is i got to the poitn where i have a bootable sd card, im leaving it like this until i get exactly what i want o nthe fs then i may move it over to emmc
May 22 18:35:41 <Calc> do you have to touch anything in the uboot?
May 22 18:36:39 <m_billybob> no those isntructions are pretty much copy paste, the only thing you do with uboot is compile from sources, and then put MLO / uboot.img on the boot partition of the sd card
May 22 18:36:53 <m_billybob> ( best i can tell )
May 22 18:37:26 <m_billybob> well and of course he walks through writtign and  puting a proper uEnv.txt file on the boot part too
May 22 18:37:59 <m_billybob> for what it is worth, you can use those steps to dual boot angstrom ( from emmc ) and debian / ubuntu (sdcard )
May 22 18:38:15 <m_billybob> want to switch back ? yank sdcard :)
May 22 18:38:34 <Calc> cool, sounds like a good plan
May 22 18:38:58 <m_billybob> just dont foollow the steps fro writting to emmc of course
May 22 18:40:13 <m_billybob> Calc, if you have any questions during build /setup process feel free to PM me. there are a few minor steps left out, but if you're saavy with debian / ubuntu you should spot them right away
May 22 18:40:35 <m_billybob> i may or may not be at my computer at the time hence why i say PM me
May 22 19:13:06 <Rickta59> so is there a simple script that will rebuild the circitco version of angstrom?
May 22 19:13:13 <Rickta59> and make an image
May 22 19:17:40 <thurgood> Rickta59: isn't there a download?
May 22 19:18:21 <Rickta59> all i've seen is a emcc flash updater download for the BBB
May 22 19:19:03 <Rickta59> they must have a script they run to build that image
May 22 19:20:24 <Rickta59> all the other writeups i've found are people who want to run debian or ubuntu
May 22 19:20:25 <thurgood> probably the setup-script repo linked from angstrom's site then
May 22 19:21:26 <thurgood> you want the actual sources, not the final binaries?
May 22 19:21:48 <Rickta59> i want to be able to add ntfs .. dump all the ui gnome stuff and make a different image
May 22 19:22:03 <Rickta59> starting for source yes
May 22 19:23:03 <tasslehoff> can someone tell me why -n (Exit with failure if a lease cannot be obtained.) is a default option to udhcpc? on my systems it sometimes gives up before I get the lease, and I can't see any really good reasons not to leave it running.
May 22 19:26:42 <mru> too short timeout?
May 22 19:28:04 <thurgood> not sure which branch you want to be on in here ... maybe denzil?  http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
May 22 19:28:26 <tasslehoff> mru: absolutely, I just wonder if I really want it to time out.
May 22 19:28:50 <Rickta59> beagleboard == beaglebone black?
May 22 19:29:01 <Rickta59> i downloaded those and looked for anything with bone
May 22 19:29:11 <thurgood> no
May 22 19:29:45 <thurgood> beagleboard is either the classic or the xM version
May 22 19:30:26 <Rickta59> right so those scripts had nothing for the bone
May 22 19:30:43 <mru> and then there's http://beagleborad.org/
May 22 19:31:19 <Rickta59> is that for dyslexic beaglebone users?
May 22 19:31:23 <panto> night kind people and trolls
May 22 19:32:19 <Rickta59> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
May 22 19:32:32 <Rickta59> i missed this link before .. that was what i was looking for
May 22 19:33:50 <thurgood> oh.. I thought you wanted sources
May 22 19:34:18 <Rickta59> so even beaglebone is not right for the black version is it?
May 22 19:34:50 <thurgood> the rootfs is the same, kernel may be different
May 22 19:36:00 <thurgood> the how to reproduce tells how to create the images from source on the demo page
May 22 19:36:14 <Rickta59> yeah but not for the beaglebone black
May 22 19:49:22 <m_billybob> Rickta59, there are howtos on that i think I even have one short one on beagle-fu
May 22 19:49:43 <m_billybob> its going to be on angstrom.org/building-angstrom
May 22 19:49:51 <m_billybob> or somethign similar to that
May 22 19:50:03 <Rickta59> have you done it?
May 22 19:50:09 <m_billybob> yes
May 22 19:50:25 <Rickta59> you rebuilt the angstrom kernel?
May 22 19:50:34 <Rickta59> and created aboot able image?
May 22 19:50:36 <m_billybob> basicaly you use prebuilt script and git um . . .
May 22 19:50:36 <Rickta59> link?
May 22 19:51:23 <m_billybob> rough gist is here
May 22 19:51:25 <m_billybob> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
May 22 19:51:25 <Rickta59> yeah none of the things i have found on the angstrom site or the beagleboard.org talk about the black
May 22 19:51:33 <m_billybob> let me see if i canfind a better one
May 22 19:51:48 <m_billybob> sure they do, those are generic commands
May 22 19:51:50 <Rickta59> MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh config beagleboard
May 22 19:51:57 <m_billybob> beagleboard can be replaced with beaglebone etc
May 22 19:52:01 <Rickta59> this is missging the magic works for black
May 22 19:52:11 <thurgood> is the kernel for the black the same as the white?
May 22 19:52:16 <m_billybob> so something like
May 22 19:52:28 <m_billybob> MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh config beaglebone
May 22 19:52:48 <Rickta59> i didn't think beaglebone and beaglebone black were interchangable
May 22 19:52:54 <m_billybob> Rick the differentiator between BBW, and BBB is dt specific i believe
May 22 19:52:57 <m_billybob> yes they are
May 22 19:53:03 <Rickta59> isnt' that going to fall down for stuff like the serial ports
May 22 19:53:22 <m_billybob> just hold on
May 22 19:53:23 <Rickta59> so if the image builds for a white then how does that do me any good
May 22 19:54:03 <m_billybob> http://forum.beaglefu.com/index.php?/topic/9-compiling-a-custom-image/
May 22 19:54:12 <m_billybob> thats what i did however, i did not test the image
May 22 19:54:42 <Rickta59> yeah i didn't expect that to work
May 22 19:54:51 <m_billybob> it should work
May 22 19:55:03 <Rickta59> where does all the cloud 9 stuff come from
May 22 19:55:10 <Rickta59> does that angstrom script include that on the image?
May 22 19:55:25 <Rickta59> and the correct dt files?
May 22 19:56:10 <m_billybob> well since dt is kernel spepcific that should work but again as I said i did not test it, and perhaps i even compiled the wrong image
May 22 19:56:23 <m_billybob> thre are people in here who have done it though and mostly sucessfully
May 22 19:56:52 <m_billybob> perhaps the right person to ask would be koen when he is around ?
May 22 19:59:58 <m_billybob> Rickta59, either way it is a lot of imformation to read through, and learn. I barely scratched the surface before i decided to move on to debian
May 22 20:05:17 <joel_> there's more than dt that is different between white/black
May 22 20:05:40 <joel_> one of them being different DDR memory config
May 22 20:05:52 <m_billybob> oebb specific
May 22 20:06:10 <joel_> huh?
May 22 20:06:24 <m_billybob> we're talkign abotu build steps using oebb for angstrom
May 22 20:06:47 <m_billybob> do you have experience with that ? If so maybe you can help Rickta59
May 22 20:07:06 <joel_> oh k, i saw dt somewhere.
May 22 20:07:21 <margy9003> Hi I have downloaded the last version of aMGSTROM
May 22 20:07:45 <joel_> m_billybob: no sorry, i don't do file systems or rebuilds associated with them, I'm happy with my custom untar of angstrom which i use across nfs/usb/sd boot =)
May 22 20:07:52 <margy9003> but I have this mistige: Cleaning up. Unexporting the following pins: [Errno 16] Device or resource busy
May 22 20:08:13 <margy9003> mistake
May 22 20:08:18 <margy9003> please help me
May 22 20:09:10 <Rickta59> so you took the image and s
May 22 20:09:10 <joel_> koen: why so many mistakes? ;)
May 22 20:09:27 <Rickta59> just copied it to other directors joel_ ?
May 22 20:16:15 <Dmitrii_> Hello guys. Where I can read about possibility of beaglebone black to VGA connection. Thank you
May 22 20:16:37 <mru> on the internet
May 22 20:18:42 <joel_> possibilities are limitless, isn't that note shipped anymore?
May 22 20:18:42 <mranostay> Dmitrii_: use the VGA cape?
May 22 20:21:15 <mdp> or go hack value and PRU + r2r DAC vga homebrew cape
May 22 20:22:04 <mdp> http://hackaday.com/2012/06/26/offloading-vga-generation-onto-a-coprocessor/
May 22 20:23:01 <mdp> mranostay, production date for that cape is TBD so it seems to be an inconvenient solution
May 22 20:24:42 <keesj> this pru is taking off!
May 22 20:24:46 <AK_Jones> Helloevery body
May 22 20:25:00 <mdp> there's been one guy that did a home brew lcd pins to dsub15 doc too
May 22 20:25:22 <mranostay> wait the VGA cape is pru driven?
May 22 20:25:28 <mdp> mranostay, no
May 22 20:25:32 <joel_> mdp: cool, sadly though the link to the original post in that hackaday returns a 404
May 22 20:25:40 <mranostay> ok sanity
May 22 20:25:43 <mdp> joel_, yep, codez are gone now
May 22 20:25:50 <mdp> they were there once
May 22 20:26:07 <mranostay> Dmitrii_: in any case you can't do a HDMI to VGA conversion.. cheaply :)
May 22 20:26:07 <joel_> hehe
May 22 20:26:14 <mdp> mranostay, bitbanging vga has real value though
May 22 20:26:17 <AK_Jones> Any of you people using Jtag in-circuit emulator/ programmer for BeagleBone Black?
May 22 20:26:50 <m_billybob> paralax propeller, why bit  bang one VGA when you can bitbang several at once ;)
May 22 20:27:10 <joel_> AK_Jones: it does not have one
May 22 20:27:43 <mranostay> joel_: death to all FTDI chips!
May 22 20:27:49 <keesj> so how many resitors does it take to have a decent rgb is it 24?
May 22 20:28:10 <mdp> I assume he means an external one, joel_
May 22 20:28:22 <joel_> mranostay: hehe. you just got one shipped right =) ?
May 22 20:28:45 <mdp> http://www.tincantools.com/wiki/Flyswatter2_BeagleBone_Black_How_To
May 22 20:29:32 <joel_> mdp: yeah, there's "ICDI" on launchpad. referring to In-circuit, basically ftdi there too
May 22 20:29:33 <AK_Jones> Mr <joel_> so are you telling me that I can not buy Jtag in-circuit emulator/ programmer for BeagleBone Black, am I correct?
May 22 20:29:53 <mdp> AK_Jones, you can buy what I cited and use it
May 22 20:30:00 <mdp> go forth and purchase
May 22 20:30:41 <mdp> joel_, people historically call jtag in-circuit for legacy reasons too
May 22 20:30:59 <mdp> don't get hung up on classic bone's inclusion of an ftdi
May 22 20:31:12 <keesj> and where does the emulator part come from?
May 22 20:31:16 <AK_Jones> Mr <mdp>, may i ask you, if you can use it for user space to kernel space debugging too?
May 22 20:32:51 <mdp> not easily off the shelf
May 22 20:32:59 <mdp> use gdbserver, it works mostly
May 22 20:33:22 <mdp> jtag for bootloader/kernel
May 22 20:33:43 <joel_> mdp: jtag just sounds much better :)
May 22 20:34:33 <mdp> keesj, even wikipedia confirms my history lesson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-circuit_emulator :)
May 22 20:34:35 <AK_Jones> Mr <mdp> you are correct, and this is what iwas going to ask; have you used your JTAG for bootloader/kernel development too
May 22 20:35:24 <mdp> yes, many people you it for that
May 22 20:35:39 <mdp> there's lots of docs on using openocd this way
May 22 20:36:26 <AK_Jones> I thank you for your time and you help my friend, thank you
May 22 20:37:12 <mdp> keesj, we used to use real ICE plugged into a 68k socket to load code and debug the system...pre on-chip jtag
May 22 20:38:20 <AK_Jones> i have used Arm development tools at work on RTOS, i am using linux as hobby and want to learn more on that
May 22 20:38:50 <joel_> mdp: have you played with ARM debugging tools? DS-5 and the like?
May 22 20:39:04 <keesj> I would love trying that sometime
May 22 20:39:24 <AK_Jones> The entire ARM development suite for handset development
May 22 20:39:42 <mdp> joel_, no, never had access to stuff like that
May 22 20:39:53 <keesj> "inert lumps of nonfunctioning electronics"
May 22 20:39:59 <joel_> mdp: ah ok. i think ds-5 has a community version tho
May 22 20:40:03 <joel_> never tried it either
May 22 20:40:06 <AK_Jones> but used it for an OS called OSE
May 22 20:40:12 <mru> joel_: that's just gnu tools
May 22 20:41:01 <mdp> joel_, I haven't worked on anything in a while that needed more than printk
May 22 20:41:21 <joel_> mru: ARM Streamline?
May 22 20:41:34 <mru> joel_: the 'community' version of ds5
May 22 20:42:07 <joel_> mru: oh right ok. so streamline is not in the community one
May 22 20:43:06 <joel_> sigh
May 22 20:43:12 <mdp> does streamline do more than perf?
May 22 20:43:25 <mru> no idea
May 22 20:43:29 <mdp> it's difficult to tell from marketing level bullet points
May 22 20:43:44 <mru> it obviously has access to the same event counters
May 22 20:43:52 <m_billybob> More corectly there is a 20 pin JTAG "header" on the bottom of the bbb
May 22 20:44:10 <joel_> I imagine the coresight support will be very good considering its an ARM tool (a guess..)
May 22 20:44:31 * joel_ gets back to documentation, basically writing #exactsteps for a customer
May 22 20:44:35 <mdp> cTI-20 pads, more correctly
May 22 20:44:49 <mru> perf can use all the counters
May 22 20:44:57 <mdp> joel_, the problem with vendor tools is they seem to get wrapped up in difficult to use GUIs
May 22 20:45:03 <mdp> like CCS
May 22 20:45:04 <m_billybob> yes, so it does have a JTAG option :)
May 22 20:45:06 <mru> I have no idea which tool has the best presentation of results
May 22 20:45:18 <mdp> m_billybob, I think we already established that, yes
May 22 20:45:37 <m_billybob> saw someone saying somethign abotu "it doesnt have jtag"
May 22 20:45:46 <joel_> mdp: true, interesting ds-5 is eclipse based too
May 22 20:45:52 <mdp> uh oh
May 22 20:45:55 <mdp> java alert
May 22 20:46:05 <joel_> :-)
May 22 20:46:09 <mru> what else would it be?
May 22 20:46:28 <mranostay> hi mru
May 22 20:46:39 <mdp> mru, we have no other choice now, it seems
May 22 20:46:45 <_troll_> hi mranostay
May 22 20:47:49 <joel_> eclipse might suck because its heavy but most of the issues i've seen related to crash are vendor-specific issues, not eclipse itself
May 22 20:47:57 <joel_> that's been my experience
May 22 20:48:02 * mranostay hates Windows shares
May 22 20:48:11 <joel_> I don't hate the tool much or Java itself if it doesn't bother me
May 22 20:48:30 <mru> java _always_ bothers
May 22 20:48:47 <mru> write once, debug everywhere
May 22 20:49:45 <mdp> the core suffers from being an ill foss project too
May 22 20:49:58 <mdp> as anna d. can confirm in many anecdotes
May 22 20:50:15 <mranostay> better than nodejs :P
May 22 20:51:37 <mru> there's a class somewhere in there with a name well over 100 characters
May 22 20:51:55 <mru> or was at some point at least
May 22 20:52:37 <mranostay> mru: studly caps too?
May 22 20:55:25 <mdp> mranostay, required by rule ;)
May 22 21:02:03 <mranostay> IfYouTypeLikeThisPleaseDieKThx
May 22 21:18:57 <ka6sox> felipebalbi, are you here?
May 22 21:22:46 <wave_> Hey Guys. Did any of you manage to screen BBB under osx 10.8 through usb?
May 22 21:24:06 <mranostay> in english please?
May 22 21:27:09 <quiesce> wave_: I have a Beaglebone Black and a Mac running 10.8. What are you trying to do?
May 22 21:27:14 <wave_> I'm having problem with getting " screen /dev/tty.usbmodem" work. It runs but the shell is blank
May 22 21:27:36 <rbarris> is that usbmodem device actually coming from the BBB ?
May 22 21:27:45 <wave_> shouldn't it show the startup screen?
May 22 21:28:01 <wave_> yep it shows up after attaching
May 22 21:28:15 <wave_> actually there're 2 usbmodems showing up
May 22 21:28:56 <wave_> but the other one throws "sorry, could not find PTY"
May 22 21:29:59 <wave_> along with "cannot open line for r/w resource busy"
May 22 21:34:52 <wave_> quiesce: how is your devise named under /dev/tty ? What version of FTDI did you install?
May 22 21:35:41 <quiesce> Sorry, I would have to check in a bit. I haven't touched it with the Mac.
May 22 22:11:48 <joel_> mdp: what's the reasoning behind usage of the DMA-virt stuff?
May 22 22:12:35 <mdp> virt-dma.c?
May 22 22:12:43 <joel_> in your dma/edma.c driver
May 22 22:13:05 <mdp> virt-dma, yes?
May 22 22:13:15 <joel_> mdp: yes
May 22 22:13:34 <mdp> that's common code used by many drivers to manage the actual dma requests from the dmaengine core
May 22 22:13:50 <mdp> handles the cookie updates and such
May 22 22:13:55 <PWM_Guy> hello
May 22 22:14:07 <mranostay> oh god
May 22 22:14:21 <joel_> mdp: is it optional?
May 22 22:14:28 <mdp> ECAP_Gal
May 22 22:14:46 <_troll_> did someone say cookie?
May 22 22:14:57 <mranostay> no
May 22 22:15:14 <PWM_Guy> nope, my i just made brownies
May 22 22:15:36 <mranostay> you should give some to _troll_
May 22 22:15:40 <mdp> joel_, no
May 22 22:16:12 <joel_> mdp: hm ok. virt stuff seem to be stripped out of another driver by russell not too long back
May 22 22:17:16 <mdp> link?
May 22 22:18:13 <joel_>     dmaengine: split out virtual channel DMA support from sa11x0 driver
May 22 22:18:20 <mdp> joel_, *sigh*
May 22 22:18:26 <mdp> dude, you need to read the history
May 22 22:18:31 <mdp> that's ancient ;)
May 22 22:18:31 <joel_> sorry, clipboard support sucks here.
May 22 22:18:45 <joel_> I just blamed virt-dma.c :)
May 22 22:18:56 <mdp> yes, virt-dma as an abstraction was pulled from the sa11x0 driver to be shared by *many* drivers
May 22 22:19:01 <PWM_Guy> Does anyone have experience with the PWM pins? I am trying to use P8_13 and P_19 to drive a bi-directional motor. However P_19's folder is missing duty and period
May 22 22:19:17 <mdp> "recently" it's far more accurate to say that virt-dma support is going into tons of drivers
May 22 22:19:27 <mdp> including mine
May 22 22:19:45 <mdp> check your git log drivers/dma/
May 22 22:19:57 <joel_> mdp: so its a must to use it, right ok. I just felt it was a bit indirect
May 22 22:20:04 <joel_> mdp: ok got it, thank you
May 22 22:20:10 <mdp> it's not strictly required
May 22 22:20:13 <mdp> it's useful for most
May 22 22:20:19 <mdp> as it's duplicated code
May 22 22:20:35 <mdp> take a look at the dmaengine dispatching code, api etc, and you can see why
May 22 22:20:41 <mdp> everybody was duplicating that stuff
May 22 22:20:47 <joel_> mdp: hm ok. if you don't mind, can you in one line tell me what its useful for practically?
May 22 22:21:23 <mranostay> don't confuse me with your facts!
May 22 22:21:23 <joel_> mdp: ah ok
May 22 22:21:43 <joel_> mdp: will go over those bits, thanks.
May 22 22:22:28 <joel_> it does make one think, 3-4 structures just for a dma channel abstraction, yikes
May 22 22:26:03 <mdp> joel_, I recommend you read the slave and general dmaengine API and see what that abstraction looks like, it'll make more sense
May 22 22:26:14 <mdp> joel_, and it's dmaengine channel helpers
May 22 22:26:18 <mdp> that's my one-liner
May 22 22:27:27 <joel_> mdp: sure, yes definitely i feel too it is useful for some purpose. will go over code as you suggested
May 22 22:28:35 <joel_> mdp: also, one more question - why the split between edma code b/n drivers/dma/ and arch/arm/common/ ?
May 22 22:28:54 <mdp> read the cover letter on the series submissions
May 22 22:29:02 <mdp> it's all documented
May 22 22:29:08 <joel_> I did to be honest :) maybe a re-read?
May 22 22:29:12 <joel_> ok will do
May 22 22:29:50 <joel_> and then the last question was, why is the DT stuff only in common/ and not in drivers/dma/edma but as you suggested a quick reread might just answer them.
May 22 22:30:41 <mdp> it works just like omap-dma
May 22 22:30:52 <mdp> there's a lot of drivers to be converted
May 22 22:30:55 <mdp> instead of a flag day
May 22 22:31:06 <mdp> you do a dmaengine wrapper around the evil private dma api
May 22 22:31:12 <mdp> then you convert all drivers
May 22 22:31:12 <joel_> hmm, CONFIG for omap-dma set to y wasn't even booting for me on am33xx
May 22 22:31:32 <mdp> then you fold the private api away into drivers/dma
May 22 22:31:33 <joel_> that is with the old series i rebased
May 22 22:31:50 <mdp> you can't put the private api in drivers/dma
May 22 22:32:02 <mdp> it's not permitted..it's not dmaengine
May 22 22:32:08 <mdp> and drivers depend on the old private api
May 22 22:32:11 <Moult> i've got myself a continuous servo motor - how would i work out what combinations of period and duty would give what speed and direction (clockwise/anti) rather than just trial and error?
May 22 22:32:23 <mdp> well, you were using weird code / combinations
May 22 22:32:35 <mdp> it worked on mainline with both set
May 22 22:32:54 <mdp> joel_, you can read what it was tested and regression tested on
May 22 22:33:14 <mdp> plus you rebased 2 versions old customized for the internal ti tree stuff
May 22 22:33:20 <mdp> it's deprecated
May 22 22:33:33 <joel_> mdp: yes true i had a very old series
May 22 22:33:42 <joel_> I saw a -v9 series posted in March
May 22 22:33:54 <mdp> yes, and v10 is being worked on
May 22 22:34:02 <joel_> but its not in the github repo
May 22 22:34:13 <mru> mdp: I want one that goes to 11
May 22 22:34:16 <mdp> as of yesterday, I ended up having more time for upstream
May 22 22:34:33 <joel_> heh
May 22 22:34:38 <mdp> ;)
May 22 22:35:24 <Guest20922> Hello. I have a BBB and have it working with a LCD4 Cape with the latest (unreleased/unoffical) 20.05.2013 eMMC image. I am new to BB and BBB etc, but have a question about Angstrom and the LCD4, or any small LCD for that matter. Most of the menus/popups/apps on the default image do not display correctly on the LCD4 due to the LCD4 being so small. For example the System Monitor. Most of it is off the page and it cant seem to be sc
May 22 22:35:31 <mdp> probably forgot to push it..it's in patchwork in any case
May 22 22:35:38 <joel_> mdp: we can discuss once I'm a bit more upto speed, on how I can help with the v9 series
May 22 22:35:42 <joel_> *v10
May 22 22:35:50 <joel_> or, what is it that you want me to do etc
May 22 22:36:13 <mdp> I'm just getting back to figuring out where I was in the probe/platform_data rewrite before I was rudely interrupted
May 22 22:36:31 <mdp> you can figure out #exactsteps for booting da850/am1808 from DT
May 22 22:36:35 <mdp> I haven't tried that yet
May 22 22:36:42 <mdp> it's needed for testing
May 22 22:36:51 <mdp> well, ideally
May 22 22:37:04 <mdp> I might just leave that to others
May 22 22:37:49 <joel_> no davinci boards here though, but happy to help if I can get a hold of them from somewhere
May 22 22:38:24 <mdp> joel_, that's actually the focus of v10...a change in support for davinci platforms with multiple edma controllers
May 22 22:38:32 <Shadyman> Today is a good day :3 http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e94/MasterMWL/Misc/IMG_1819_v1_zpseb01c477.jpg
May 22 22:38:45 <joel_> mdp: maybe i can just push forward for the am33xx case? or is it dependent on davinci?
May 22 22:38:51 <mdp> so see if you can get an am1808 board..I still have one which I needed to work on this
May 22 22:39:00 <mdp> joel_, this is shared code
May 22 22:39:11 <mdp> you can't break any davinci platform
May 22 22:39:15 <joel_> my original goal was to push forward for working edma in mainlin'ish kernels, and just those patches dropping not pushing the other stuff for spi or davinci
May 22 22:39:34 <joel_> right
May 22 22:39:37 <russell--> looking at the wiring for a cape's eeprom, the BBB_SRM shows (figure 54, pg 86) pullups on the address pins, however the datasheet for the recommended part CAT24C256 says these pins have built in pull-down resistors.
May 22 22:39:47 <mdp> joel_, why do you think you can make it easier?
May 22 22:40:17 <joel_> mdp: to be honest, i'm not familiar much the davinci architecture in the kernel or its dependencies
May 22 22:40:26 <joel_> now that you're telling me, i have a better idea
May 22 22:40:28 <mdp> davinci and am33xx have the same IP, you can introduce a second driver upstream for the same thing
May 22 22:40:36 <mdp> s/can/can not/
May 22 22:41:13 <joel_> mdp: so davinci is not yet booting on DT right, or is it?
May 22 22:41:21 <mdp> joel_, it does boot on DT
May 22 22:41:26 <joel_> right, ok
May 22 22:41:45 <mdp> in practice there's probably many woes after I read their pinmux-single issues
May 22 22:41:56 <joel_> and I saw you added DT support to common/edma so that it'd work on am33xx,.. is that why it wouldn't work on Davinci?
May 22 22:41:59 <mdp> so I think I will punt and just test with board file boot
May 22 22:42:14 <mdp> it's because it was dependent on only having one controller
May 22 22:42:26 <mdp> you see mach-davinci/dma.c was poorly written..it's not a real driver
May 22 22:42:38 <mdp> it doesn't probe for each IP instance like a real device model driver
May 22 22:42:52 <mdp> it encodes in pdata N controllers and one probe finds them all :(
May 22 22:43:04 <joel_> hah,. ok i see..
May 22 22:43:06 <mdp> so my rewrite is fixing that
May 22 22:43:23 <mdp> once you have to more or less support DT on davinci, it's required
May 22 22:43:30 <mdp> DT can't cooperate with broken drivers
May 22 22:43:32 <joel_> ah, so you're trying to solve 2 problems at once... one for the am33xx DT case, and the other to have it become more like a real driver
May 22 22:44:18 <mdp> it became required because after being stopped to missed several merge windows, davinci was merging DT support and so now it's an extra requirement
May 22 22:44:31 <joel_> ok ok i get, yes it doesn't fit the DMA model at all, so that's probably why you're DT'fying it in the common/ code
May 22 22:44:38 <joel_> *DT model
May 22 22:44:38 <mdp> device model
May 22 22:45:20 <mdp> I cheated before as DT only worked on a single edma CC instance...
May 22 22:45:46 <mdp> the idea was to convert the driver and then eliminate the private edma api before davinci bothered with DT
May 22 22:46:04 <mdp> anyway, it'll be nicer when it goes in..
May 22 22:46:19 <mdp> part of cheating was a desire to not screw with the crappy private api stuff
May 22 22:46:50 <mdp> nbd now, it just has to be done
May 22 22:47:03 <joel_> by elimnate you mean move it from common/ ?  It is finally going to end as one single EDMA driver in drivers/dma/edma.c right? or so I think is the right way
May 22 22:47:17 <Shadyman> the middle box contains my BBB, fiwiw
May 22 22:47:19 <Shadyman> fwiw, een
May 22 22:47:20 <Shadyman> even
May 22 22:47:36 <mdp> so I at least remember I was at the point where I was starting to convert all the mach-davinci pdata for multiple instances, new format
May 22 22:47:50 <mdp> joel_, rm arch/arm/common/edma.c
May 22 22:47:50 <joel_> and you had to scrap that?
May 22 22:48:06 <joel_> mdp: ok ok. so eliminate not move
May 22 22:48:16 <mdp> joel_, I was assigned to a "more important" non-mainline task ;)
May 22 22:48:38 <mdp> joel_, the little bit of functionality we need in their will be rewritten inside drivers/dma/edma.c
May 22 22:48:55 <joel_> mdp: that'll be nice
May 22 22:49:08 <mdp> but first I have to complete the dt driven mcasp patch I have that uses the private edma api
May 22 22:49:23 <mdp> that works but needs a little tidying (and these base patches)
May 22 22:49:38 <mdp> and then cyclic dma needs added to the edma dmaengine driver
May 22 22:49:43 <joel_> so i do see 2 probe functions being called, one in common/edma and the other in drivers/dma/edma but the second one is a bit of cheating because the device and driver and registered on init itself
May 22 22:49:47 <mdp> then mcasp convedrted to dmaengine
May 22 22:50:07 <mdp> joel_, that's the wrapper driver, yes. that is on purpose
May 22 22:50:10 <mdp> see omap-dma
May 22 22:50:24 <joel_> mdp: ok
May 22 22:50:46 <joel_> but the actual dma_device creating registration etc is being done from arch/arm/ -> of-dma framework
May 22 22:50:50 <mdp> see the original davinci centric series where the wrapper driver came in
May 22 22:51:17 <mdp> arch/arm/common/edma.c drivers the of created device
May 22 22:51:27 <mdp> drivers/dma/edma.c wraps around common/edma.c
May 22 22:51:29 <John__> Hi, can anyone help me reflash my memory, i accidently formated the wrong drive (my beaglebone black) and wiped it clean
May 22 22:51:45 <mdp> joel_, later on the latter gets removed (after all the needed other patches)
May 22 22:52:15 <mdp> all of this is public in the postings
May 22 22:52:21 <mdp> I'll let you reread ;)
May 22 22:52:24 <mdp> dinner and out
May 22 22:52:24 <mdp> cya
May 22 22:52:28 <joel_> mdp: ok ;)
May 22 22:52:37 <joel_> have a good night
May 22 22:52:37 <joel_> thanks
May 22 22:52:51 * joel_ coffees up
May 22 23:02:21 <ka6sox> almost like fun
May 22 23:02:25 <k4jcw> Good evening. I have a BeagleBone Black, and want to replace the Angstrom distro with Debian. I've looked at the instructions at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian. What I'm unclear on is if I can do this on the BBB running Angstrom, or if I need to do it on another system, and if so, does it have to be a Debian system?
May 22 23:02:37 <leggazoid> hello, new bbb user here
May 22 23:02:57 <ka6sox> k4jcw, iirc only Angstrom is currently offically supported.
May 22 23:04:14 <k4jcw> Hrm.
May 22 23:06:43 <leggazoid> How can I test audio over hdmi?
May 22 23:07:38 <leggazoid> I think it's not working because a played a youtube video and no sound :(
May 22 23:07:55 <uberushaximus> speaker-test
May 22 23:08:57 <leggazoid> ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'
May 22 23:09:03 <ka6sox> k4jcw, you might ask mrpackethead if he has had any sucess in making debian work on the BBB
May 22 23:09:27 <mrpackethead> k4jcw: yes debian works jsut fine.
May 22 23:12:09 <leggazoid> not showing any volume control in gnome
May 22 23:22:14 <leggazoid> Do I need to update my image? how do I check the version?
May 22 23:22:49 <leggazoid> Linux beaglebone 3.8.6 #1 SMP Sat Apr 13 09:10:52 CEST 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux
May 22 23:24:24 <k4jcw> mrpackethead, perhaps you have an answer to my original question a few minutes ago?
May 22 23:24:42 <ka6sox> leggazoid, that kernel doesn't, to my knowledge, have audio in it.
May 22 23:25:05 <leggazoid> gotcha, thanks ka6sox
May 22 23:25:31 <k4jcw> Ooops, that was before you came in.
May 22 23:25:37 <k4jcw> I have a BeagleBone Black, and want to replace the Angstrom distro with Debian. I've looked at the instructions at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian. What I'm unclear on is if I can do this on the BBB running Angstrom, or if I need to do it on another system, and if so, does it have to be a Debian system?
May 22 23:26:00 <leggazoid> I will update image now
May 22 23:26:21 <ka6sox> leggazoid, what ever you do...do NOT opkg upgrade
May 22 23:26:55 <leggazoid> I was going to use micro sd card
May 22 23:27:44 <Shadyman> augh
May 22 23:27:51 <Shadyman> the BBB Blue LEDs kill my eyes :/
May 22 23:28:17 * Shadyman places BBB over there -->
May 22 23:28:22 <ka6sox> Shadyman, bring out RED nailpolish
May 22 23:28:31 <Shadyman> == purple leds?
May 22 23:28:32 <Shadyman> me gusta
May 22 23:29:26 <Shadyman> let me break out the expensive nailpolish
May 22 23:29:38 <k4jcw> Or replace the series resistors...
May 22 23:29:42 <Shadyman> not... that there's anything wrong with having fancy red nailpolish :/
May 22 23:30:02 <Shadyman> k4jcw: Nah, the blue makes my eyes wig out regardless
May 22 23:30:11 <Shadyman> all blue LEDs seem to do it
May 22 23:30:44 <k4jcw> They are, indeed, a touch bright.
May 22 23:30:53 <Shadyman> I got a pack of a few different misc 0805 LEDs from ebay
May 22 23:32:08 <Shadyman> wasn't this, but something similar. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/0805-SMD-LED-Red-Blue-Green-White-and-Yellow-x20pcs-total-100pcs-/251265262227
May 22 23:32:49 <Shadyman> it was more like 10, 10, 10, 10, and 5
May 22 23:33:03 <Shadyman> think it was like $3
May 22 23:33:37 <Shadyman> oddly enough, the solid blue for the power is fine with me
May 22 23:33:39 <k4jcw> 0805's won't fit. I think these are 0402. Maybe 0603, but they look smaller.
May 22 23:33:58 <Shadyman> it's when they start flickering, like 60Hz LED christmas lights, or these heartbeat things
May 22 23:34:11 <Shadyman> hmm
May 22 23:34:59 <Shadyman> i must say, the BBB ethernet gadget works much better on linux
May 22 23:35:24 <Shadyman> bbwhite i had to ssh in, unload the usb gadget, and modprobe the ethernet gadget, and do some fancy footwork.
May 22 23:35:32 <leggazoid> Shadyman: you can cut them off with bonescript
May 22 23:35:40 <Shadyman> leggazoid: Yay
May 22 23:35:59 <leggazoid> most of them anyway
May 22 23:36:04 <k4jcw> They are 0603
May 22 23:36:09 <leggazoid> stops the blinking
May 22 23:36:34 <Shadyman> k4jcw: curses!
May 22 23:36:48 <Shadyman> Tohugh, my digikey order also included the parts to prototype 3 or 4 new capes :3
May 22 23:37:38 <k4jcw> 0805 is old school, man. You may as well be using pin-through-hole :) or vaccuum tubes.
May 22 23:37:41 <leggazoid> http://192.168.7.2/bonescript.html
May 22 23:37:49 <Shadyman> k4jcw: Well, now that you mention it..
May 22 23:38:32 <Shadyman> k4jcw: one of my projects is a VFD vaccuum tube clock ;)
May 22 23:38:42 <Shadyman> not a cape though.
May 22 23:38:46 <k4jcw> Yeah?
May 22 23:39:11 <k4jcw> I'm more of a nixie tube guy, really.
May 22 23:39:21 <Shadyman> k4jcw: somewhere between http://store.akafugu.jp/products/19 and http://www.adafruit.com/products/194
May 22 23:39:26 <Shadyman> but using the tubes of the former, not the latter
May 22 23:39:30 <Shadyman> and 6 of them
May 22 23:40:11 <Shadyman> with two xbee footprints, one for a gps module for timing, and one for an sd card /mp3 module or fm module,
May 22 23:40:17 <Shadyman> all of which i'm working on as well
May 22 23:40:29 <k4jcw> I have one of those Adafruit clocks. I need to put the latest firmware in it, and add the GPS mod. I'm tired of having to reset it when the power flickers.
May 22 23:40:50 <Shadyman> k4jcw: It doesn't backup to the battery?
May 22 23:40:58 <Shadyman> or, keep the time via battery
May 22 23:41:04 <k4jcw> No battery.
May 22 23:41:09 <Shadyman> :/
May 22 23:41:36 <Shadyman> It's got a spot for one
May 22 23:42:01 <Shadyman> did it chew through it already, or did you just not install it?
May 22 23:43:47 <Shadyman> k4jcw: I'm looking at a 15cm*5cm PCB footprint
May 22 23:44:30 <Shadyman> and an atmega324pa
May 22 23:45:04 <Shadyman> because of all the extra pins, and a second tx/rx pair, and it actually takes less power in sleep mode than the 328
May 22 23:45:11 <k4jcw> I don't recall this clock having a provision for a battery. And I can't believe there's not a PDF of the schematic. Who the heck wants to install Eagle just to look at a dang schematic?
May 22 23:46:25 <mrpackethead> nice.
May 22 23:46:29 <mrpackethead> i have the FPGA capes
May 22 23:46:33 <k4jcw> Huh. It does have a CR120 battery. I built this thing so long ago.
May 22 23:47:13 <Shadyman> mrpackethead: Shiny :D
May 22 23:47:56 <joel_> mranostay: hi
May 22 23:48:03 <k4jcw> Excellent case design. You can insert the battery, but you have to disassemble the case to remove it :(
May 22 23:48:38 <Shadyman> k4jcw: well, it was designed by hand on graph paper, apparently
May 22 23:48:44 <Shadyman> fwiw
May 22 23:49:00 <k4jcw> That's why they make CAD software.
May 22 23:49:11 <mrpackethead> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/460990_10151622213382661_1846566414_o.jpg
May 22 23:49:22 <Shadyman> mrpackethead: Pretty
May 22 23:49:23 <mrpackethead> anyone need a FPGA cape PCB?
May 22 23:49:35 <k4jcw> Maaaaybe :)
May 22 23:49:42 <Shadyman> we should start a cape pcb swap ;)
May 22 23:50:35 <mrpackethead> $14 for 1, $60 for 5
May 22 23:51:05 * ka6sox got his order in early :)
May 22 23:51:13 <k4jcw> What FPGA(s) does it support?
May 22 23:51:37 <k4jcw> mranostay, any advice on my earlier question?
May 22 23:51:44 <k4jcw> Grrr... mrpackethead
May 22 23:51:52 <Shadyman> too many misters/
May 22 23:52:00 <mrshadyman> k4jcw: Good luck.
May 22 23:52:03 <mrshadyman> :3
May 22 23:52:04 <leggazoid> How do I expand 7-zip image in ubuntu? getting unknown stuff error...
May 22 23:52:15 <ka6sox> k4jcw, Spartan3A TQFP
May 22 23:52:46 <k4jcw> It's been... hmm. 5 years since I've written any VHDL. I wonder if I still remember how :)
May 22 23:52:59 <mrshadyman> leggazoid: sudo apt-get install p7zip
May 22 23:53:25 <k4jcw> cq cq cq
May 22 23:53:57 <ka6sox-farfarawa> no DX here.
May 22 23:54:07 <mrshadyman> k4jcw va3mwl
May 22 23:54:10 * russell-- found the boot button in u-boot land, gpio 72
May 22 23:54:24 <brendan_> Can anyone help me with edimax wifi card on ubuntu?
May 22 23:54:44 <Shadyman> k4jcw: guess I shoulda tossed a DE in there
May 22 23:54:51 <k4jcw> Cool. I'm mostly a 220Mhz guy, with occasional forays into 440 and even less into citizens band...er, I mean, 2 meters.
May 22 23:54:57 <ka6sox-farfarawa> brendan_, try the ML......
May 22 23:55:06 <leggazoid> duh... use xz program! lol
May 22 23:55:08 <brendan_> ML?
May 22 23:55:18 <Shadyman> 220? Huh.
May 22 23:55:27 <Shadyman> 70cm?
May 22 23:55:53 <ka6sox-farfarawa> 220mhz
May 22 23:55:53 <ka6sox-farfarawa> 70cm = 430mhz
May 22 23:55:54 <k4jcw> 70cm == 440. 1.33m == 220.
May 22 23:55:55 <Shadyman> ah, 1.25 meter
May 22 23:56:07 <k4jcw> Or a.25 if you're in the talky part of the band.
May 22 23:56:09 <k4jcw> 1.25
May 22 23:57:09 <Shadyman> it's only a secondary band here in canada
May 22 23:57:19 <SpeedEvil> other channel I'm in is doing 500km on 10mw/433. :-)
May 22 23:57:30 <Shadyman> dammit qrp
May 22 23:57:36 <Shadyman> y u so long
May 22 23:57:38 <k4jcw> Niiice
May 22 23:57:55 <SpeedEvil> having the transmitter at 35km helps
May 22 23:58:02 <k4jcw> Baloon?
May 22 23:58:06 <k4jcw> balloon?
May 22 23:58:11 <Shadyman> red balloon?
May 22 23:58:18 <k4jcw> 99 of'em.
May 22 23:58:22 <Shadyman> leggazoid: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/04/7z-7zip-7za-file-compression/
May 22 23:58:29 <SpeedEvil> helium balloon, yes
May 22 23:59:54 <k4jcw> Tracking on APRS?
May 22 23:59:59 <leggazoid> what is opkg? Is that a angstrom thing?
May 23 00:00:31 <russell--> leggazoid: not specifically, it's a dpkg like package manager
May 23 00:01:00 <russell--> it was ipkg once upon a time, had to change the name due to some trademark thing, iirc
May 23 00:01:28 <leggazoid> Thanks Shadyman, I got it to work with the xz utility that is installed by default in ubuntu
May 23 00:01:38 <Shadyman> ah
May 23 00:01:39 <Shadyman> nice
May 23 00:01:57 <russell--> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opkg
May 23 00:04:14 <leggazoid> will opkg work once I flash eMMC to new version?
May 23 00:05:04 <brendan_> Does anyone use the Edimax card on ubuntu?
May 23 00:06:44 <russell--> brendan_: not /me ... which edimax card?
May 23 00:07:23 <russell--> leggazoid: define "work"
May 23 00:09:41 <brendan_> yeah i screwed that up... its the edimax ew-7811un
May 23 00:10:48 <russell--> do you have one?
May 23 00:11:13 <brendan_> Yeah, its already connected and can scan..sometimes but it won't connect
May 23 00:11:41 <russell--> what board is this on?
May 23 00:11:49 <brendan_> beagle bone black
May 23 00:12:25 * russell-- knows nothing of ubuntu on bbb, but do you have a root shell?
May 23 00:13:03 <brendan_> yeah i can just sudo -s for root, or just sudo
May 23 00:13:17 <russell--> does iwconfig work?
May 23 00:13:44 <brendan_> yeah
May 23 00:13:55 <russell--> what is your wifi interface called?
May 23 00:14:33 <brendan_> wlan0
May 23 00:15:07 <russell--> does "iw wlan0 scan" work?
May 23 00:15:54 <brendan_> it used too, now it just says no scan results
May 23 00:16:35 <russell--> do you see anything in dmesg that would suggest the radio became non-functional?
May 23 00:17:20 <russell--> and are you sure you should see a network?  maybe your access point is busted?
May 23 00:17:38 <brendan_> the only that changed since it used to work was a reboot
May 23 00:18:07 <brendan_> and I'm on the wifi for this data connection too haha, i think I messed up the interfaces file maybe?
May 23 00:18:17 <russell--> nfi
May 23 00:18:33 <brendan_> bummer, anyone else?
May 23 00:19:05 <russell--> have you tried rebooting again?
May 23 00:19:11 <brendan_> yup
May 23 00:19:26 <russell--> have you tried undoing what you did to the interfaces file?
May 23 00:20:08 <brendan_> TBH, i'm not sure how....
May 23 00:20:46 <russell--> starting from scratch would be one way
May 23 00:22:16 <brendan_> okay I got rid of all the wireless stuff except auto wlan0
May 23 00:23:16 * russell-- suggests google
May 23 00:31:28 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> been trying to think of cool projects to do.
May 23 00:31:32 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i think i might make a microphone array
May 23 00:32:07 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> maybe a 4x4
May 23 00:32:48 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> try to do the whole "zap the mosquitoes with a laser" deal.
May 23 00:33:34 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> maybe have the microphones as modules, so you could insert audio, ultrasonic, or contact mics (for vibration analysis).
May 23 00:33:40 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> I'm bored.
May 23 00:34:00 <SpeedEvil> webcam is probably easier
May 23 00:34:08 <k4jcw> Waterproof them and make a towed sonar array.
May 23 00:34:16 <k4jcw> Detect submarines in your swimming pool
May 23 00:34:30 <SpeedEvil> eBay - search galvanometer PCB
May 23 00:34:48 <SpeedEvil> they are about 80 quid
May 23 00:35:02 <k4jcw> Build a super-conducting quantum interference detector
May 23 00:35:35 <SpeedEvil> MRI is not that hard
May 23 00:36:09 <SpeedEvil> for something that can detect if you put in a left or right hand in a few mins
May 23 00:36:51 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah, mri would be cool.
May 23 00:37:22 <SpeedEvil> the maths behind it is beautiful
May 23 00:37:55 <SpeedEvil> Fourier transform in magnets
May 23 00:40:25 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> seems like it would be expensive. so much wire.
May 23 00:41:25 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hrmm, what's something the world needs, doesn't have yet, and i could build?
May 23 00:41:30 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> :D
May 23 00:48:19 <Guest77425> I have two BBBs. One listens on 80 and 22, but the other listens only on 80, so I can't ssh to it. is there a way to get sshd started?
May 23 00:48:39 <mrpackethead> Guest77425: are they running the same verison of Angstrum
May 23 00:48:53 <mrpackethead> becuase early versions had a bug ( cna you belive they did'nt test that ) where SSH didnt work
May 23 00:49:06 <Guest77425> not sure, just whatever they shipped with
May 23 00:49:20 <mrpackethead> try upgrading them
May 23 00:49:27 <mrpackethead> sounds like that bug
May 23 00:50:02 <k4jcw> uname -a should tell you if they're the same version or not, I would think
May 23 00:50:33 <Guest77425> i'd do a uname...if only i could connect. :)
May 23 00:50:45 <k4jcw> Oh, port 80, right.
May 23 00:50:45 <Guest77425> i'll try the upgrade
May 23 00:50:57 <Guest77425> thanks, folks
May 23 00:51:04 <k4jcw> Isn't there a bonescript option that reports version?
May 23 00:51:27 <Guest77425> checking...
May 23 01:00:05 <Shadyman> maybe getPlatform should return more things :)
May 23 01:00:26 <mrpackethead> maybe they should have shipped with a workign os
May 23 01:00:48 <Guest77425> good: debugger listening on port 6746 name = BeagleBone Black version = 0A5A serialNumber = 1813BBBK3424 bonescript = 0.2  bad: debugger listening on port 6747 name = BeagleBone Black version = 0A5A serialNumber = 1813BBBK7710 bonescript = 0.2
May 23 01:00:49 <Shadyman> ^
May 23 01:01:06 <Guest77425> that's getplatform
May 23 01:01:14 <Shadyman> http://192.168.7.2/getPlatform.html shows you that too :)
May 23 01:01:39 <Shadyman> Mine's 1913BBBK3182
May 23 01:01:57 <Shadyman> curious about 19 vs 18... different production runs?
May 23 01:05:22 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> when he say "try upgrading them" he almost certainly means download a newer image, not opkg update!
May 23 01:05:32 <Guest77425> right
May 23 01:05:58 <Guest77425> no worries, i'll get a microsd and give it a shot
May 23 01:06:37 <Guest77425> is there a way to upgrade from a usb stick, or only from microsd?
May 23 01:23:47 * m_billybob 's bone doesnt have a serial
May 23 01:24:46 <m_billybob> Hardware        : Generic AM33XX (Flattened Device Tree)
May 23 01:24:46 <m_billybob> Revision        : 0000
May 23 01:24:46 <m_billybob> Serial          : 0000000000000000
May 23 01:26:28 <m_billybob> Guest20922, should be possible, havent seen instructions for that sort of upgrade but assuming the usb stick is recognized/mountable  . . .
May 23 01:29:20 <PWM> hi
May 23 01:30:39 <PWM> I am trying to activate 4 pwms on the beagle bone, but only two of them create full file structures (45 and 46 are missing period and duty) on the ocp.2 directory. I am using 13,19, 45,46. Any ideas why?
May 23 01:31:04 <PWM> specifically: root@beaglebone:/sys/devices/ocp.2# ls pwm_test_P8_* pwm_test_P8_13.14: driver	duty  modalias	period	polarity  power  run  subsystem  uevent  pwm_test_P8_19.15: driver	duty  modalias	period	polarity  power  run  subsystem  uevent  pwm_test_P8_45.16: modalias  power  subsystem  uevent  pwm_test_P8_46.17: modalias  power  subsystem  uevent
May 23 01:31:29 <PWM> *sorry line breaks disappeared
May 23 01:32:17 <m_billybob> PWM i dont know but curious which beaglebone ? white ir black ?
May 23 01:32:24 <m_billybob> or *
May 23 01:32:24 <PWM> black
May 23 01:33:15 <PWM> earlier it was 19 and 47, so I rebooted and now it is those two.
May 23 01:33:36 <m_billybob> possible you may need to do a device tree overlay ( pins could be configured for a different mode)but im just guessing
May 23 01:34:06 <kaektech> PWM: ^^^^^^
May 23 01:34:40 <kaektech> PWM: what billybob said
May 23 01:35:41 <PWM> kaektech and m_billybob do you have a favorite link to device tree overlays?
May 23 01:35:51 <m_billybob> im stil newb . . .
May 23 01:36:13 <m_billybob> have all kinds of device tree links but . . .they're not PWM specific
May 23 01:36:38 <m_billybob> https://github.com/jadonk/validation-scripts/tree/master/test-capemgr
May 23 01:36:47 <m_billybob> ^^^ readme
May 23 01:37:55 <kaektech> haven't seen too many dealing with pwm. most are re: spi, i2c, etc
May 23 01:38:00 <m_billybob> http://elinux.org/Device_Trees
May 23 01:38:11 <m_billybob> i have one somewhere ill have to hunt for it
May 23 01:38:21 <m_billybob> specific to PWM think
May 23 01:38:37 <m_billybob> http://elinux.org/Capemgr
May 23 01:38:45 <kaektech> a bunch of folks in this channel are using the pru for pwm, but i'm still trying to grok that
May 23 01:39:44 <PWM> kaektech, m_billybob thanks, i will look at those. I heard about the pru but havent seen anything on
May 23 01:39:45 <PWM> it
May 23 01:39:46 <m_billybob> got a link just for you then kaektech
May 23 01:40:31 <m_billybob> https://github.com/pomarek/sw_pwm
May 23 01:40:37 <m_billybob> kaektech ^^
May 23 01:41:01 <m_billybob> not mine someone pasted link to it in here last night or this morning . . .
May 23 01:41:17 <m_billybob> presumably the owner. or hmm maybe got that off the groups
May 23 01:41:52 <m_billybob> PWM yeah sorry i dont think i have link to PWM specific device tree
May 23 01:42:51 <kaektech> Huh, hadn't come across an ecap implementation on the pru. Cool.
May 23 01:43:07 <kaektech> Moar to read...
May 23 01:43:22 <PWM> m_billybob no worries and those links help a lot
May 23 01:43:46 <m_billybob> yeah ill be there someday myself i need to figure out if i can setup a windows toolchain, and if not how to setup a linux tool chain for cross compiles
May 23 01:44:18 <m_billybob> would rather not do native compiles if i can avoid it
May 23 01:45:31 <m_billybob> PWM keep in mind you will probably need the last two links together, and the first link by jadonk is kind of what i consider a short overview
May 23 01:45:38 <PWM> Open Embedded I think had an all in on install for that, but I have not needed to compile on the bbk yet
May 23 01:46:01 <m_billybob> PWM im for debian though
May 23 01:46:12 <m_billybob> my bbb runs debian
May 23 01:46:31 <PWM> ah, then I wish you much luck
May 23 01:46:37 <m_billybob> should be similar but . . .yeah and by cross compiles i mean for compiling general purpose apps, hello world etc
May 23 01:47:01 <m_billybob> compiking the kernel etc from source ive got down
May 23 01:47:05 <m_billybob> compiling too
May 23 01:47:54 <m_billybob> but thats also on a debian host for compiling gp stuff i would like to use Windows, with a decent IDE
May 23 01:49:38 <kaektech> m_billybob: The Angstrom cross compile stuff is stupid simple to setup on a Linux machine. It requires tweaks on Ubuntu to work correctly. Win$ platforms just aren't friendly to embedded development, in my experience.
May 23 01:51:09 <thurgood> using the same toolchain that angstrom does for cross compiling is relatively painless
May 23 01:57:24 <cj__> i just tried to boot a bbb with a uSD card inserted and it just hangs any suggestions?
May 23 01:57:50 <thurgood> prepare the card right?
May 23 01:58:06 <cj__> how do you prepare the card?
May 23 01:58:15 <m_billybob> uEnv.txt on it ?
May 23 01:58:26 <m_billybob> propert parameter in uEnv.txt ?
May 23 01:58:32 <m_billybob> proper*
May 23 01:59:22 <m_billybob> cj__, probably better if you paste a link to the instructions you followed or pastebin the steps you did
May 23 02:00:06 <cj__> i didn't do anything to prepare the card are there instructions posted?
May 23 02:00:31 <m_billybob> you *have* to have a uEnv.txt file on it
May 23 02:00:35 <m_billybob> this is the black right ?
May 23 02:01:04 <cj__> yes
May 23 02:01:58 <m_billybob> im not sure of the proper parameters for booting emmc with a sdcard inserted, might be able to find some instructions though
May 23 02:01:59 <kaektech> Are you trying to re-flash the eMMC? i.e. replace the shipped OS?
May 23 02:02:17 <m_billybob> sounds like he just wants extra storage
May 23 02:02:57 <cj__> just want extra storage
May 23 02:03:43 <m_billybob> cj__ tell you what you should search the beagleboard google groups
May 23 02:03:48 <m_billybob> its what id end up doing . . .
May 23 02:04:07 <m_billybob> there are some posts on that exact topic
May 23 02:05:40 <m_billybob> eventually id llike to personally amass all this information my self but there is only one of me and the bbb is fairly new.
May 23 02:17:11 <m_billybob> hmm interresting
May 23 02:17:12 <m_billybob> https://sites.google.com/site/how2beagleboard/u-boot/uenv
May 23 02:54:28 <thurgood> looks like those are for xM boards
May 23 02:58:42 <m_billybob> yeah i was just finding it interresting -> tftp / nfs boot
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