**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 25 02:59:57 2013
May 25 03:02:44 <masta> do the beagle's support writing the MLO to a specific offset on the MMC or sdcard in raw more, like the panda's?
May 25 03:03:01 <masta> instead of using vFAT
May 25 03:03:49 <russell--> Jaguar`: you want the BBB_SRM and the AM335x ARM® CortexTM-A8 Microprocessors
May 25 03:03:52 <russell--> TRM
May 25 03:04:13 <russell--> and google
May 25 03:04:22 <m_billybob> masta, thats probably going ot be more of an #uboot question or whatever their channel is
May 25 03:04:34 <Jaguar`> ive looked through the cortext A8 TRM, and it mentions the pinctl registers but i can't seem to map between the dts register offsets and anything in the trm
May 25 03:05:14 <russell--> they are offset from the bottom of the control registers
May 25 03:05:20 <masta> m_billybob: well it's more like a tech spec of the OMAP/AM33xx boot rom , but just wondering if the bones are similar enough to the omap's
May 25 03:05:29 <russell--> 0xmumble800
May 25 03:06:16 <Jaguar`> thanks russell--, i need to do more reading obviously :)
May 25 03:06:37 <m_billybob> masta, yeah i dont rightly know.
May 25 03:06:43 <russell--> table 9-10
May 25 03:07:01 <russell--> starting at 800h
May 25 03:07:34 <russell--> so, the device tree overlay number will look like 0x30 when that table says 830h
May 25 03:08:12 <russell--> and then look at existing examples ... it starts to gel after you've stared at it for a while
May 25 03:08:25 <Jaguar`> yeah, ive been staring for quite a while
May 25 03:08:27 <Jaguar`> heh
May 25 03:08:38 <Jaguar`> but that makes sense, thanks
May 25 03:08:45 <russell--> would be nice if it was laid out a little more clearly/directly somewhere, but google says no
May 25 03:09:05 <Jaguar`> yah i might write something up once i work it out
May 25 03:09:26 <Jaguar`> complete idiots guide to cape interfacing :)
May 25 03:09:31 <russell--> don't wait, when you understand, you will no longer have the patience
May 25 03:28:55 <Shadyman> russell--: Ironically enough, I think the easiest wigling i've done is with the android app
May 25 03:37:20 <ourmando|xps> anyone get a desktop on the beaglebone black with ubuntu
May 25 03:48:10 <russell--> yeah
May 25 04:34:44 <hossein> Hi, I'm new to BBB. The first time that I connect it to PC via USB, I connected to web-server and worked with cloud9 and some examples, but the SSH connection didn't work also after trying to set the date.  I hibernate the PC while the BBB was connected and Chrome was open.  Now, the kernel in loading and LEDs are working, but I can't connect the board through 192.168.7.2 The ping to 192.168.7.2 is on time out message.  What's happe
May 25 04:43:46 <Shadyman> try the reset button on the BBB. It's the little one by the edge of the PCB, not the one closest to the ethernet port
May 25 04:51:00 <hossein> I tried it. not working .
May 25 04:57:25 <hossein> Reset and power off/on has been tried. the ping to 192.168.7.2 is not responding also.
May 25 04:57:57 <hossein> Is there any other way to connect the BBB instead of web-server?
May 25 05:03:10 <fiola> hossein:  There are two other ways to connect.  One is to plug in the HDMI connector to a monitor and a keyboard + mouse into the USB host port, and then it's a standalone "PC".  And the other is to use a console lead plugged into its 6-pin header.
May 25 05:03:57 <fiola> Both of those are independent of network connection, so make diagnosis easier.
May 25 05:04:38 <hossein> fiola, tnx. none of them are possible at this moment. so I should fix web-server.
May 25 05:05:05 <dm8tbr> good moaning
May 25 05:05:15 <fiola> moin moin
May 25 05:05:29 <hossein> no HDMI cable :(
May 25 05:06:30 <hossein> the boot is done. something wrong with web-server
May 25 05:06:31 <fiola> It's a special anyway, *micro* HDMI on the BBB end, beware when buying.
May 25 05:07:53 <hossein> Ok. it was working for 1st time.
May 25 05:08:57 <dm8tbr> micro? not HDMI-C
May 25 05:08:57 <fiola> I've got it connected the other two ways simultaneously, but seem to remember the webserver worked when I first tried that method.
May 25 05:09:20 <hossein> I can't understand what's the reason ?
May 25 05:10:38 <fiola> dm8tbr: http://uk.farnell.com/pro-signal/cdlhd4-micro-018/cable-assy-hdmi-d-m-to-hdmi-a-m/dp/2305808
May 25 05:11:36 <fiola> Linked from the BBB product page as an "accessory"
May 25 05:11:38 <dm8tbr> *nod* I only saw it on pictures and it looked like type-c not D to me
May 25 05:13:36 <fiola> hossein: Well if you have no ping response then it's not a webserver problem, but a networking problem.
May 25 05:14:49 <fiola> Unless you messed with the firewall knowingly, nothing will be blocking ICMP echo, so lack of response means networking currently broken in some way.
May 25 05:15:10 <hossein> the only physical connection is USB and it's OK. what do you mean about "networkconnection"?
May 25 05:16:20 <hossein> no change to firewall setting is done.
May 25 05:16:34 <fiola> When you connect the BBB to USB, it creates an IP connection for you over USB so that your browser can talk to it.  Browsers can't talk over USB, only over IP, which is why it's made an IP interface on USB for you.
May 25 05:17:29 <fiola> What's your host machine?
May 25 05:18:21 <hossein> win7 32 bit
May 25 05:18:44 <fiola> Ah.  Unfortunately I know nothing about Windows, pure Unix person here.
May 25 05:19:14 <hossein> in network connection of my host, there is no new network for BBB. the only is my wireless internet !!
May 25 05:19:36 <fiola> K, that's your issue then.  It went away :P
May 25 05:19:46 <hossein> It seems the new connection is not automatically generated.
May 25 05:20:26 <hossein> ok. tnx
May 25 05:20:38 <fiola> Someone will turn up who knows about Win side, needs patience though
May 25 05:21:07 <hossein> tnx fiola :)
May 25 05:21:41 <fiola> It's a nice little device, you'll get it sorted :-)
May 25 05:40:08 <hossein> I sorted it. the problem was that windows was automatically disabled the service of IP over USB network connection. I start the service manually and the connection is established.
May 25 05:40:12 <hossein> ;)
May 25 05:43:47 <fiola> hossein: well done. :-)  For reference, how did you start the service manually on Win?
May 25 05:48:16 <hossein> in device manager, on the Linux usb ethernet device, in properties tab
May 25 05:50:01 <fiola> Thanks :-)
May 25 05:51:00 <hossein> me too, yes it's little but nice :
May 25 05:52:00 <fiola> Interesting that it calls it "Linux usb ethernet device".  I think it's a generic USB standard IP interface.
May 25 05:52:16 <fiola> Maybe nobody every uses it except Linux :P
May 25 05:52:22 <fiola> ever*
May 25 05:56:11 <insanewifi> Hello
May 25 05:57:00 <hossein> also it's named as RNDIS Gadget
May 25 05:59:39 <insanewifi> i compile the uboot kernel and put ubuntu file system and copied to sd card while booting its showing no dtbs file can u please help
May 25 06:40:16 <Jaguar`> anyone have a reference for what each pad control muxmode value corresponds to for each pad of the AM335x?
May 25 06:40:38 <dm8tbr> the SRM and TRM don't?
May 25 06:40:43 <Jaguar`> can't find anything in the TRM
May 25 06:41:00 <Jaguar`> but it is a massive document, so i might be missing something
May 25 06:41:16 <ka6sox> Jaguar`, yes, my son wrote an app to do this
May 25 06:41:20 <ka6sox> pinmux.tking.org
May 25 06:41:45 <Jaguar`> nice one, bookmarked
May 25 06:42:16 <Jaguar`> do you know where the enumerations for each pin come from?
May 25 06:42:29 <ka6sox> Device Tree
May 25 06:45:01 <fiola> Another resource -- https://github.com/selsinork/beaglebone-black-pinmux
May 25 06:45:49 <ka6sox> fiola, I started with that too...
May 25 06:46:03 <fiola> And also http://www.element14.com/community/thread/23952?tstart=0
May 25 06:46:04 <ka6sox> but it was just too difficult to read and follow.
May 25 06:46:52 <fiola> Table halfway down
May 25 06:47:10 <ka6sox> yup, looks like the one that bradfa did a while ago
May 25 06:47:14 <Jaguar`> strange that it's not in the AM335X TRM
May 25 06:47:28 <Jaguar`> at least, not that i can see
May 25 06:47:31 <ka6sox> that what isn't in the TRM?
May 25 06:47:43 <Jaguar`> the effect of muxmode on each pin
May 25 06:47:52 <ka6sox> its in the TRM
May 25 06:47:59 <ka6sox> 3.50
May 25 06:48:06 <Jaguar`> all i can find is table 9-2
May 25 06:48:49 <ka6sox> the app is the synthesis of the table, the pinmux mode register and the kernel offsets for calling the right pinmux registers.
May 25 06:49:37 <ka6sox> the actual (what attaches to what pin) is in anohter document.
May 25 06:50:27 <ka6sox> sprs717e
May 25 06:51:49 <ka6sox> Table 9.10 is the control registers for pinmuxing (however the kernel subtracts 0x800 for its offsets)
May 25 06:52:04 <ka6sox> section 9.3.50 describes the contents of each register.
May 25 06:52:13 <Jaguar`> ahhhhh
May 25 06:52:14 <Jaguar`> got it
May 25 06:52:16 <Jaguar`> Table 2-7. Ball Characteristics
May 25 06:52:31 <Jaguar`> in the sprs717f.pdf
May 25 06:52:31 <ka6sox> we are using a zcz package
May 25 06:52:36 <ka6sox> right
May 25 06:52:40 <Jaguar`> thanks ka6sox
May 25 06:52:41 <Jaguar`> :D
May 25 06:53:00 <ka6sox> I got tired of looking in 4 places to made the app that synthesizes it all in 1 place.
May 25 06:53:09 <ka6sox> s/to/so/
May 25 06:53:41 <Jaguar`> yeah definitely a good idea
May 25 06:53:48 <Jaguar`> excellent help
May 25 06:54:17 <ka6sox> next is making it synthesize the DT code fragment to set the pinmux's
May 25 06:54:48 <ka6sox> so you can start to create a dtbo for what you need.
May 25 06:54:53 <m_billybob> hmm wonder if anyine will wrap or otherwise make DT easier to use
May 25 06:54:58 <m_billybob> anyone*
May 25 06:55:13 <ka6sox> m_billybob, its fairly easy now...
May 25 06:55:44 <m_billybob> yeah i only briefly  looked at it, the javascript eque syntax kind of  . ..ruffles my feathers
May 25 06:56:33 <ka6sox> what we need is a few stock dtbo modules and pinmux alternatives for them.
May 25 06:57:10 <m_billybob> what i need is a generic what if step by step all in one
May 25 06:57:14 <ka6sox> SPI/UART/GPIO/LCD/etc.
May 25 06:57:19 <m_billybob> but meh i havent spent too much time looking at DT yet
May 25 06:57:25 <ka6sox> #exactsteps
May 25 06:57:31 <m_billybob> hmm yes and no
May 25 06:57:57 <m_billybob> jadonks example seems very well described
May 25 06:58:01 <ka6sox> most capes will have a DTS and a DTBO
May 25 06:58:05 <m_billybob> but only one side of DT as i understand it
May 25 06:58:45 <m_billybob> ka6sox, what are you workign on ?
May 25 06:58:49 <m_billybob> or anything ?
May 25 06:59:06 <ka6sox> what is my project with the Bone?
May 25 06:59:23 <m_billybob> oh, i thought maybe you were doing some of the cummunity stuff
May 25 06:59:30 <m_billybob> community stuff*
May 25 06:59:50 <ka6sox> trying to make pinmuxing and DT more palettable...
May 25 06:59:59 <ka6sox> working on the PRUs
May 25 07:00:09 <m_billybob> the pinmux stuff Rick suggested ?
May 25 07:00:17 <ka6sox> hoping we get selected for a GSoC project.
May 25 07:00:34 <m_billybob> GSoC ?
May 25 07:00:36 <ka6sox> I'm not writing that..my Son is...I don't *do* javascript.
May 25 07:00:42 <ka6sox> Google Summer of Code.
May 25 07:00:46 <m_billybob> ah
May 25 07:00:57 <m_billybob> summer of code camp or is that differnt ?
May 25 07:01:13 <m_billybob> that by theway sounds like it'd be lots of fun
May 25 07:01:33 <ka6sox> if selected: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/jj2baile/1
May 25 07:01:41 <ka6sox> working with Jon on this.
May 25 07:02:37 <m_billybob> I feel like such a 5th wheel around here
May 25 07:02:42 <m_billybob> ( sometimes )
May 25 07:02:56 <ka6sox> I'd like a 5th wheel...no more Tent Camping!
May 25 07:03:06 <m_billybob> I guess many of you been around since beagleboard , or BBW days
May 25 07:03:15 <m_billybob> all this is very new to me
May 25 07:03:22 <m_billybob> well much of it
May 25 07:03:50 <ka6sox> i have been playing with BBW...
May 25 07:03:58 <ka6sox> the BBB is different enough however.
May 25 07:04:27 <m_billybob> different enough to be interresting hopefully
May 25 07:04:47 <m_billybob> bbb going to keep me very busy for a long time i think
May 25 07:05:14 <ka6sox> yes, it has a lot of potential.
May 25 07:05:55 <m_billybob> thats what im seeing too, but comming from the msp430 thats not saying much on my perspective
May 25 07:06:18 <m_billybob> apples and automobiles.
May 25 07:06:47 <ka6sox> I don't have enough time this summer but I'd like to marry the MSP launchpad to the Bone to work on some Software Defined Peripherals.
May 25 07:07:30 <m_billybob> Oh is this what PRU_* is working on ? this project ?
May 25 07:07:58 <ka6sox> I don't know waht PRU_ is working on.
May 25 07:08:04 <ka6sox> this would be a good use however
May 25 07:08:14 <m_billybob> ah never mind then i must be misunderstanding
May 25 07:08:28 <m_billybob> PRU debugger from what he's said
May 25 07:08:49 <ka6sox> thats a different thing...
May 25 07:09:04 <ka6sox> this debugger is for doing things like JTAG/SWD/SBW/AVRisp
May 25 07:09:26 <ka6sox> using the PRUs to handle the RT I/O needs.
May 25 07:09:58 <m_billybob> OOOH i think i know now
May 25 07:10:08 * m_billybob has bad short term
May 25 07:10:21 <m_billybob> the cape with all the serial stuff on it
May 25 07:10:36 <ka6sox> which cape?
May 25 07:11:03 * m_billybob looks to see if he kept a bookmark
May 25 07:11:14 <ka6sox> if there is one that already handles all that I'll stop working on mine :)
May 25 07:13:11 <ka6sox> I"m working on this one: https://github.com/ka6sox/BoneTag
May 25 07:13:58 <m_billybob> BBB tick is what i was thinking of
May 25 07:14:33 <ka6sox> I think thats more aimed at working with the Bone itself...
May 25 07:14:49 <ka6sox> iirc Russ was working on that.
May 25 07:15:05 <m_billybob> https://github.com/russdill/tick yeah so it would seem
May 25 07:15:51 <m_billybob> as i said sometime i have a bad short term memory
May 25 07:16:06 <m_billybob> especially with all this information im tryign ot absorb
May 25 07:16:28 <m_billybob> hey ther mrpackethead
May 25 07:16:40 <mrpackethead> ohey there m_billybob
May 25 07:19:21 <ka6sox> m_billybob, that looks considerably different than what I'm working on.
May 25 07:19:54 <ka6sox> okay time for beddy bye...
May 25 07:19:55 <ka6sox> niters
May 25 07:21:41 <m_billybob> night
May 25 07:23:27 <m_billybob> mrpackethead, you said something last night about lookign into other networking stuff ? I didnt know what you meant.
May 25 07:23:50 <mrpackethead> m_billybob: i had a look at the debian build
May 25 07:23:56 <mrpackethead> for the bbb
May 25 07:24:01 <mrpackethead> and the network build is all ok
May 25 07:24:05 <mrpackethead> no problems at all
May 25 07:24:48 <m_billybob> yeah once i set it up proerly neither did I. everythign worked fine, except g-ether whcih i did not persue once i got ethernet working.
May 25 07:25:15 <mranostay> hey
May 25 07:25:43 <mrpackethead> i also see that the usb-ethernet is running now as well
May 25 07:25:46 <mrpackethead> in the most recent build
May 25 07:25:51 <m_billybob> g-ether was just a means for me to connect and configure the OS without having to buy a serial cable
May 25 07:26:15 <mrpackethead> m_billybob: but it works fine now
May 25 07:26:26 <m_billybob> could do that via normal ethernet ssh methods so just didnt bother with it
May 25 07:26:44 <mrpackethead> mranostay: straw is cheaper
May 25 07:26:47 <m_billybob> yeah he wrote some scripts to set it up when i asked about it
May 25 07:26:49 <m_billybob> very nice of him
May 25 07:27:24 <m_billybob> turns out i think all the problems i experienced were my own fault
May 25 07:27:34 <m_billybob> ( with ethernet )
May 25 07:27:44 <mrpackethead> oftne the way.
May 25 07:27:52 <mrpackethead> the important thign is to document stuff
May 25 07:27:56 <mrpackethead> so you can come back to it later
May 25 07:28:27 <m_billybob> I was tired, and flustered after trying to get it workign for two days off an on, so yeah i spoke too soon.
May 25 07:28:47 <mrpackethead> i'm trying t get cross compiling working now
May 25 07:28:49 <mrpackethead> using embedian
May 25 07:28:56 <m_billybob> he was nice enough to write up some scripts etc none the less which was very nice of him
May 25 07:29:22 <mrpackethead> hes a good guy
May 25 07:29:40 <m_billybob> think embeddian will be any better ? Ive always had top notch experiences with debian, but always x86 until now
May 25 07:30:55 <m_billybob> root@arm:/home/william# uptime
May 25 07:30:55 <m_billybob>  05:24:24 up 3 days, 12:24,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
May 25 07:31:46 <m_billybob> i loaded the CPU yesterday to 85% using an infinite loop to test CPU scallign and powr stability using USB power
May 25 07:32:14 <m_billybob> also to test my cross development envoinrment ( instead of stock hello world )
May 25 07:33:08 <m_billybob> many may groan at this comment, but im using Linaro from windows .  ..
May 25 07:42:19 <m_billybob> err heh i misunderstood what you said
May 25 07:42:38 <m_billybob> its late and too many beers tonight, and not familiar with embedian
May 25 08:25:25 <Jaguar`> anyone know how to unload a cape with capemgr?
May 25 08:28:57 <Jaguar`> or where the capemgr source repository is for that matter
May 25 08:45:06 <Jaguar`> capemgr src at https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-bbxm/blob/not-capebus-v30/drivers/misc/cape/beaglebone/capemgr.c
May 25 08:45:30 <Jaguar`> looks like echo -X > /sys/devices/capmgr_xxx/slots removes slot x
May 25 08:53:47 <_av500_> ahoi
May 25 08:58:33 <dm8tbr> polloi
May 25 09:00:03 <_av500_> 269 pckages to install
May 25 09:00:06 <_av500_> sigh
May 25 09:09:02 <Humpelstilzchen> Why does the Bone has mini USB and not micro?
May 25 10:04:00 <Jaguar`> sooooo close:  Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xf9e07140
May 25 10:24:15 * mranostay stumbles back in
May 25 10:26:13 <_av500_> mranostay: sleep!
May 25 10:28:52 <mranostay> eff that
May 25 10:28:59 <dwery> anyone can suggest a bootable sd image for the black (without the auto reflesher). I need to experimento a bit with a kernel and wanto to keep the internal flash in a working state :)
May 25 10:29:29 <_av500_> dwery: take the flasher and kill emmc.sh
May 25 10:29:50 <dwery> d'oh! :D thanks
May 25 10:30:00 <Tey> HELLO
May 25 10:30:03 <_av500_> or extract the image from the flasher card
May 25 10:30:32 <mranostay> _av500_: only 3:30a
May 25 10:30:37 <_av500_> mranostay: right
May 25 10:30:43 <Tey> When i try to boot from SD Card, 3 Leds stay solid :/
May 25 10:30:50 <_av500_> go mangle some diagonals then
May 25 10:30:59 <_av500_> Tey: winCE?
May 25 10:31:03 <Tey> :P
May 25 10:31:16 <mranostay> crap the club i want to go to is a file miles from trimet
May 25 10:31:26 <mranostay> 'club'
May 25 10:31:29 <Tey> Yes, sorry mister
May 25 10:31:31 <_av500_> mranostay: make the club come to you
May 25 10:31:45 <_av500_> send invites via facebook
May 25 10:31:56 <_av500_> Tey: connect a serial
May 25 10:32:11 <Tey> Why?
May 25 10:32:30 <_av500_> just because
May 25 10:32:37 <_av500_> and maby to observe some debug messages
May 25 10:33:06 <Tey> can you interpret 3 solid LEDs?
May 25 10:33:08 <mranostay> ok i'm going back out against my better judgement
May 25 10:33:16 <Tey> and why the fourth is off?
May 25 10:33:17 <_av500_> Tey: yes, they are solid
May 25 10:33:32 <_av500_> Tey: what are you booting?
May 25 10:33:49 <Tey> Sorry Mister, Windows CE
May 25 10:33:53 <_av500_> so
May 25 10:33:57 <_av500_> connect a serial
May 25 10:34:01 <_av500_> observe the boot
May 25 10:34:03 <_av500_> draw conclusions
May 25 10:34:04 <dwery> I love that "2) Made the LEDs dimmer for those that could not sleep due to the brightness of the LEDs."
May 25 10:34:05 <_av500_> the works
May 25 10:34:51 <Tey> _av500_ how to connect a serial there? o.o
May 25 10:35:54 <mranostay> better yet i should sleep
May 25 10:36:41 <Jaguar`> hi Tey, did you remove the sdcard before rebooting?
May 25 10:37:02 <Tey> Jaguar, hm no
May 25 10:37:06 <Jaguar`> that's your problem
May 25 10:37:14 <Jaguar`> happened to me earlier
May 25 10:37:31 <Tey> what to do then?
May 25 10:37:48 <Jaguar`> you need to power off > insert sd card > hold boot button and power on > wait for 4 solid leds > power off > remove sd card > power on
May 25 10:38:55 <Jaguar`> will take another 50 minutes unfortunately
May 25 10:39:18 <mranostay> get a beer, chocolate or a pizza
May 25 10:39:52 <Jaguar`> i *think* when you reboot after flashing with the sdcard still in it might start re-flashing the mmc and leave a page/pages erased or something
May 25 10:40:51 <Jaguar`> reflashing it with the above steps solved it for me anyway
May 25 10:42:33 <Tey> what did you boot jaguar?
May 25 10:46:24 <Jaguar`> ?
May 25 10:46:32 <Jaguar`> i booted the flasher image
May 25 10:46:36 <Jaguar`> from the beaglebone website
May 25 11:02:14 <Tey> im trying to boot Windows CE :/
May 25 11:02:26 <Tey> but it seems like no one is experienced with it
May 25 11:02:36 <dwery> there' might be a reason for that :D
May 25 11:03:08 <Tey> Which?^^
May 25 11:03:38 <Jaguar`> oh !
May 25 11:03:41 <dwery> Windoes doesn't work, by definition
May 25 11:04:15 <dwery> but maybe I'm biased :D
May 25 11:04:20 <Jaguar`> sorry, didn't see the part about CE Tey
May 25 11:13:21 <Jaguar`> great success: bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.9: slot #6: Applied #2 overlays. :D
May 25 11:14:16 <mhaberler> Jaguar: what are you trying to do? I'm fighting with PRU enable here
May 25 11:14:46 <Jaguar`> building a DTS for a custom cape with a MRF24J40 radio
May 25 11:14:54 <mhaberler> ah
May 25 11:15:05 <mhaberler> no PRU I assume
May 25 11:15:13 <Jaguar`> finallly got it to insert into the kernel via capemgr
May 25 11:15:15 <Jaguar`> :D
May 25 11:15:24 <Jaguar`> (12 hours and counting)
May 25 11:15:28 <Jaguar`> what's PRU?
May 25 11:16:03 <dwery> MRF24J40 is quite interesting... I wonder if it can connect to my Philips Hue lights
May 25 11:16:05 <mhaberler> the realtime coprocessors(2) in the am3359
May 25 11:16:17 <Jaguar`> oh ok
May 25 11:16:29 <mhaberler> there are 2 'arduinos on steroids' on-chip
May 25 11:16:31 <Jaguar`> yes, it's also reasonably cheap dwery
May 25 11:16:46 <dwery> I saw a dts for it in the tree... is it the same cape?
May 25 11:17:00 <Jaguar`> no, i decided to make my own
May 25 11:17:12 <Jaguar`> for reasons that are only known to my subconcious
May 25 11:17:17 <Jaguar`> :)
May 25 11:17:46 <kfoltman> Jaguar`: those are the best reasons ;)
May 25 11:18:03 <Jaguar`> however, it's a very simple radio, especially if you use the MRF24J40MA module (includes a PCB antenna and balun)
May 25 11:18:26 <dwery> I guess I will just buy one :D
May 25 11:19:13 <Jaguar`> yeh, you could make your own cape with some stripboard and a MRF24J40MA, and some 46way headers for about $20
May 25 11:19:27 <dwery> yep. how about the software?
May 25 11:20:05 <Jaguar`> theres a kernel driver (linux zigbee) for the 6lowpan side of things and a device driver for the MRF24J40
May 25 11:20:10 <Jaguar`> i'll do a write up some time soon
May 25 11:20:43 <dwery> I've just added them to the shopping cart of my next order... I'll hold you responsible for that expense :D
May 25 11:20:50 <Jaguar`> haha
May 25 11:20:57 <dwery> 7.67 EUR each
May 25 11:21:03 <Jaguar`> you should be able to get the MRF24J40 for $10 in single qty
May 25 11:21:12 <dwery> MRF24J40MA-I/RM
May 25 11:21:13 <Jaguar`> get the MRF24J40MA module
May 25 11:21:14 <Jaguar`> yup
May 25 11:21:16 <Jaguar`> that's the one
May 25 11:21:34 <Jaguar`> nice and easy, 100 mil pitch pads :)
May 25 11:21:34 <dwery> great. will happily read your writeup
May 25 11:22:18 <dwery> sooner or later they'll make our life hard with that low pitch... I'm very happy when I still find something easy to solder
May 25 11:24:26 <Jaguar`> yeah plus i know next to nothing about antenna design, so it's nice to find an affordable module with one included
May 25 11:24:56 <Jaguar`> anyway, time to bring up this board :)
May 25 11:25:30 <dwery> uhm.. just noticed it's not stocked at my distro.. they expect it for July
May 25 11:26:05 <Jaguar`> yeah - you in europe?
May 25 11:26:26 <dwery> yep
May 25 11:26:35 <dwery> http://tineras.com/2013/02/15/prototype-mrf24j40ma-beaglebone-cape/ is this yours?
May 25 11:27:03 <Jaguar`> nope!
May 25 11:27:08 <Jaguar`> that's definitely much better than mine
May 25 11:27:18 <dwery> -ETOOMANYCAPES
May 25 11:27:20 <Jaguar`> mines on stripboard at the moment
May 25 11:28:11 <Jaguar`> not surprisingly virtually identical pinouts though
May 25 11:29:40 <dwery> http://www.flickr.com/photos/86669029@N00/8598127534 another one
May 25 11:32:11 <Jaguar`> seems im not the only one
May 25 11:32:22 <Jaguar`> i'll upload a picture of mine
May 25 11:33:25 <kfoltman> Jaguar`: what do you use for PCB design/routing/fab?
May 25 11:33:44 <Jaguar`> kicad at home
May 25 11:33:46 <Jaguar`> altium at work
May 25 11:33:56 <Jaguar`> futurlec for cheapo pcb's
May 25 11:34:03 <Jaguar`> stripboard for prototyping
May 25 11:34:20 <Jaguar`> other suppliers depending on quality :)
May 25 11:39:53 <Jaguar`> http://mann.io/images/mrf24j40_protoboard.jpg
May 25 11:40:03 <Jaguar`> excuse the bad soldering :)
May 25 11:40:10 <Jaguar`> it was late
May 25 11:41:21 <dwery> okok..this time only ;)
May 25 11:41:58 <kfoltman> Jaguar`: thanks!  looking at kicad now, are there any extra libraries for it?
May 25 11:42:14 <Jaguar`> footprint libraries?
May 25 11:42:47 <Jaguar`> there are some - i found one footprint for the beaglebone in particular, ill try to dig it up for you
May 25 11:43:21 <Jaguar`> kfoltman, https://github.com/piranha32/FlyingBone has the board outline for capes (not mine)
May 25 11:47:38 <Jaguar`> oh, and kicad is very good by the way, i'm very impressed by it as a package and for simple boards and ease of use it runs circles around some of the commercial packages imho
May 25 11:58:57 <pardejini> i'm having problems booting b^3 (erased original emmc data), can anyone help me?
May 25 12:01:52 <kfoltman> Jaguar`: I'm just trying to do a simple schematic, find the parts I'm likely to want to use etc. - on the other hand, most of my earlier tries with Eagle and other software were unsuccessful, I got frustrated with the UI and component libraries and quit after a few hours :S
May 25 12:02:08 <Jaguar`> yeah
May 25 12:02:11 <Jaguar`> try the kicad tutorials
May 25 12:02:19 <Jaguar`> it's very simple
May 25 12:33:11 <pardejini> i'm having problems booting b^3 (erased original emmc data),now when i plug in my beagle via USB, it does not recognize the device, and says that "AM335x USB" is not installed, can anyone help me?
May 25 12:34:21 <Jaguar`> hi pardejini , have you tried re-flashing it?
May 25 12:34:34 <pardejini> how?
May 25 12:34:51 <Jaguar`> do you have a microsd card?
May 25 12:35:12 <pardejini> yes
May 25 12:35:18 <Jaguar`> http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started#update
May 25 12:35:21 <Jaguar`> :)
May 25 12:35:37 <pardejini> i've tryed everything
May 25 12:36:08 <pardejini> i cant boot from the uSD ether
May 25 12:36:19 <Jaguar`> what happens when you try?
May 25 12:36:29 <Jaguar`> do the LEDs flash?
May 25 12:39:59 <pardejini> yes
May 25 12:40:11 <pardejini> but i cant access beagle
May 25 12:40:32 <pardejini> nor does the linux load
May 25 12:41:00 <pardejini> i've tryed putty
May 25 12:41:12 <pardejini> to connect through serial or ip
May 25 12:41:29 <pardejini> neither of those were successful
May 25 12:41:45 <pardejini> *those atempts
May 25 12:44:57 <Jaguar`> pardejini, are you using the flasher image?
May 25 12:45:07 <Jaguar`> if so, it will take ~50 minutes until the board is flashed
May 25 12:47:49 <pardejini> i used ubuntu's image
May 25 12:48:13 <Jaguar`> oh ok
May 25 12:48:21 <Jaguar`> im not familiar with the ubuntu install process
May 25 12:48:28 <pardejini> hm
May 25 12:48:38 <Jaguar`> you can't 'brick' the device though so i wouldnt be worried
May 25 12:48:46 <Jaguar`> failsafe is to always boot from sdcard
May 25 12:48:58 <Jaguar`> but there may be more reading to do before it works :)
May 25 12:49:04 <pardejini> what image were you talking aboutt?
May 25 12:49:06 <requinham> hi
May 25 12:49:26 <Jaguar`> see the link i pasted before
May 25 12:49:34 <Jaguar`> the angstrom flasher image
May 25 12:49:36 <pardejini> ok
May 25 12:49:51 <pardejini> but when i boot from the SD
May 25 12:49:52 <requinham> can anyone attempt to use CAN controller whith beaglebone BLACK A5A and Angstrom image ?
May 25 12:50:00 <pardejini> does it flash the emmc automaticlly?
May 25 12:50:46 <pardejini> is that what you where talking about?
May 25 12:51:59 <Jaguar`> yes
May 25 12:52:07 <Jaguar`> if you use the beaglebone black flasher image
May 25 12:52:14 <Jaguar`> it will reflash the sdcard
May 25 12:52:26 <Jaguar`> BUT that's becauase its a special flasher image
May 25 13:00:19 <pardejini> ok
May 25 13:00:27 <pardejini> thanks a lot
May 25 13:00:30 <pardejini> :)
May 25 13:04:53 <Jaguar`> np
May 25 13:12:23 <Tey> damn
May 25 13:12:27 <Tey> just killed my board
May 25 13:12:35 <Tey> deleted the mlo and uboot file
May 25 13:12:40 <Tey> it wont connect anymore
May 25 13:12:42 <mru> KotH: http://www.kellarigalleria.com/taideteokset/dalisilms.jpg
May 25 13:16:02 <dwery> I've defined two spi devices in my device tree. the kernel initializes spi1.1 before spi1.0, while I need the other way around... any clues?
May 25 13:20:09 <Humpelstilzchen> dwery: Can't you rename them with udev?
May 25 13:20:26 <dwery> nope,dt enumeration  it's done when the kernel boots
May 25 13:20:32 <dwery> is*
May 25 13:20:50 <dwery> I'm not using spidev
May 25 13:38:41 <dwery> Jaguar`:  ping
May 25 13:58:43 <dwery> Jaguar`:  I'd need an info.. can you dmesg | grep mrf24j40 ?
May 25 14:11:00 <Jaguar`> hey
May 25 14:11:06 <Jaguar`> dwery, still there
May 25 14:11:09 <Jaguar`> ?
May 25 14:11:10 <dwery> yes
May 25 14:11:32 <Jaguar`> [   90.825678] mrf24j40: probe(). IRQ: 193
May 25 14:12:01 <Jaguar`> anything else?
May 25 14:12:01 <dwery> ty
May 25 14:12:14 <dwery> I'm battling irq issues and wanted to check if the numbers makes any sens
May 25 14:12:15 <dwery> e
May 25 14:12:18 <Jaguar`> oh
May 25 14:12:21 <Jaguar`> whats your irq issue?
May 25 14:12:30 <dwery> a spectacular fault :D
May 25 14:12:34 <Jaguar`> yep
May 25 14:12:38 <Jaguar`> i got one of those :)
May 25 14:12:40 <dwery> on my can controllers
May 25 14:12:55 <dwery> I think there's some gpio foo magic missing
May 25 14:13:11 <Jaguar`> pm me the stack trace?
May 25 14:13:33 <dwery> sure.. let me get the latest one
May 25 14:15:55 <Jaguar`> anyone managed to get wireshark on angstrom?
May 25 14:23:43 <Jaguar`> gtg for now dwery, sorry!
May 25 14:23:53 <dwery> Jaguar`:  see youlater, thanks!
May 25 14:25:14 <dwery> Jaguar`: fixed it, the driver was missing a devm_gpio_request_one
May 25 14:25:41 <kfoltman> yay, first PCB done (sorta) with kicad
May 25 14:26:10 <Jaguar`> nice kfoltman
May 25 14:26:19 <Jaguar`> cool dwery :)
May 25 14:26:24 <Jaguar`> howed you find kicad?
May 25 14:26:33 <Jaguar`> (i really should go to bed :))
May 25 14:27:18 <kfoltman> Jaguar`: it's nice - just a little annoying at times (where's my "rip all them tracks out!!!" button? but delete function is good enough)
May 25 14:27:27 <kfoltman> less annoying than Eagle though
May 25 14:27:31 <Jaguar`> yeah
May 25 14:27:58 <Jaguar`> i kinda like it, there are some bits that are a little bit rough around the edges, but nothing major
May 25 14:27:59 <kfoltman> it might become completely not-annoying with more practice :)
May 25 14:28:04 <Jaguar`> its actually a very impressive package
May 25 14:28:15 <kfoltman> screen refresh via XOR is... not always working too
May 25 14:28:21 <Jaguar`> yeah
May 25 14:28:31 <Jaguar`> zoom in/out fixes usually
May 25 14:28:46 <Jaguar`> quick mousewheel :)
May 25 14:29:00 <kfoltman> oh, and another one - lack of panning
May 25 14:29:20 <kfoltman> dragging with mouse wheel is reserved for area zoom
May 25 14:29:41 <kfoltman> could probably be added in less than a day of coding if I needed it really badly
May 25 14:31:19 <Jaguar`> yeah
May 25 14:32:00 <Jaguar`> probably worth making some contribs at some point
May 25 14:32:10 <Jaguar`> anyway, i'm tired :) night
May 25 14:32:34 <kfoltman> Jaguar`: night - and thanks again!
May 25 15:13:27 <genpix> koen, the other day you mentioned "BBB + LCD7 works if you boot from uSD" (I saw in the log). What did you mean by that? I tried latest debian  distro for BBB (booting from uSD), my LCD7 shows some garbage on the LCD (vertical lines)
May 25 15:19:12 <prpplague> hehe
May 25 15:52:37 <ourmando|xps> need desktop environment for beaglebone black with ubuntu
May 25 15:52:52 <ourmando|xps> anyone knw any that work lxde minimual wont work
May 25 16:07:12 <slqa> hi evryone
May 25 16:09:06 <ka6sox> *Yawn*
May 25 16:10:20 <ka6sox> morning Shadyman kaektech
May 25 16:12:00 <mru> moaning
May 25 16:15:42 <ka6sox> mourning mru
May 25 16:20:08 <ka6sox> hard to believe that mranostay was up and trolling @ 3:40am
May 25 16:22:23 <shapr> Who needs sleep?
May 25 16:22:26 <shapr> Not me!
May 25 16:25:30 <ka6sox> shapr, I got a mug from a DevOps conference...."You can sleep when you are DEAD.
May 25 16:25:31 <ka6sox> "
May 25 16:26:00 <ka6sox> IC-7410  << want
May 25 16:26:01 <m_billybob> plenty of time for sleep in the ground ;)
May 25 16:26:10 <ka6sox> wrong channel...sorry
May 25 16:26:38 <dwery> now we want it too :D
May 25 16:26:49 <ka6sox> hiya dwery!
May 25 16:26:52 <dwery> :)
May 25 16:26:55 <dwery> howdy?
May 25 16:27:10 <ka6sox> how goes the SPI stuffa?
May 25 16:27:18 <dwery> I think I've got it right
May 25 16:27:25 <dwery> but there's a conflict with HDMI
May 25 16:27:37 <ka6sox> I've disabled mine.
May 25 16:27:47 <ka6sox> along with eMMC
May 25 16:28:02 <ka6sox> (of course I was a bit more drastic with the eMMC)
May 25 16:28:23 <dwery> I will move the on another pin with the next PCBs
May 25 16:28:43 <dwery> but the srm doesn't report any potential conflict on P9
May 25 16:28:44 <malcom2073> Supposidly, it'll be possible to disable the eMMC in software at some point
May 25 16:29:12 <ka6sox> dwery, iirc spi0 is taken up by the HDMI audio right?
May 25 16:29:52 <ka6sox> malcom2073, I didn't want it working...EVER... takes too many pins from what I would like to do with it...
May 25 16:30:09 <dwery> ka6sox: I think so. it seems capes have an higher priority so the hdmi gets disabled
May 25 16:30:27 <ka6sox> isn't DT fun?
May 25 16:30:32 <malcom2073> ka6sox: I feel the same way, but I don't wanna hardware hack my board up :). There is a reset pin for the eMMC tied to a GPIO, but I think they have to send a "reset enable" command to the eMMC first... waiting to hear official word on it
May 25 16:30:46 <dwery> the conflic is on P9.25
May 25 16:31:02 <ka6sox> let me check my Son's app to see what that is.
May 25 16:31:07 <dwery> much fun.. the file format is a bit pesky
May 25 16:31:28 <dwery> you had your son made an app for you?
May 25 16:31:32 <dwery> that's child labor! :D
May 25 16:32:13 <ka6sox> dwery, pinmux.tking.org
May 25 16:32:26 <ka6sox> dwery, he is trying to earn money for a new computer.
May 25 16:32:39 <shapr> Has anyone connected a single cell LiPo to the PMIC on the black?
May 25 16:33:11 <ka6sox> shapr, does the TPS know about LiPo?
May 25 16:33:20 <ka6sox> the charging curve?
May 25 16:33:25 <kaektech> Good mid-morning ka6sox! (slightly delayed by antenna futzing)
May 25 16:33:32 <shapr> ka6sox: I think so
May 25 16:33:36 <shapr> According to its spec sheet it does.
May 25 16:33:39 <dwery> ka6sox: nice app
May 25 16:33:50 <ka6sox> dwery, not bad for an 11yr old.
May 25 16:34:04 <dwery> absolutely.
May 25 16:34:11 * shapr checks the spec sheet to be sure
May 25 16:34:26 <ka6sox> he is working on Rev2 that does all the pins and creates the DT fragments.
May 25 16:34:39 <str8_> how much ram do these things have
May 25 16:34:47 <str8_> the site just walks about its processor and IO's
May 25 16:34:48 <ka6sox> 512MB
May 25 16:34:53 <str8_> coo
May 25 16:34:54 <str8_> thanks
May 25 16:35:04 <ka6sox> yw
May 25 16:35:05 <str8_> how would you guys compare it to the pi?
May 25 16:35:27 <shapr> ka6sox: check page 26 of http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps65217b.pdf it has the power curve used.
May 25 16:35:29 <kaektech> This morning's modest success: ads-b mapping bone
May 25 16:35:37 <ka6sox> MSP>Arduino>Pi>BBB in order of power and stuff.
May 25 16:35:48 <dwery> kaektech: great!
May 25 16:35:54 <ka6sox> str8_, ^^
May 25 16:35:57 <kaektech> http://casa.kaektech.com:8080/
May 25 16:36:03 <shapr> Although I've heard that the Pi is better for a media center, but I've not compared the video performance of both.
May 25 16:36:35 <dwery> kaektech: DVB-T hw or something else?
May 25 16:36:50 <m_billybob> what shapr said
May 25 16:36:51 <dwery> just read the note
May 25 16:36:55 <str8_> what controlls the pins? any fancy scripts like the gpio for the pi?
May 25 16:36:57 <ka6sox> morning emeb_mac
May 25 16:37:02 <str8_> or just standard libs?
May 25 16:37:13 <kaektech> dwery: yes. cheap rtl-sdr dongle
May 25 16:37:16 <m_billybob> bonescript
May 25 16:37:33 <emeb_mac> ka6sox: good morning to you too.
May 25 16:37:33 <shapr> ka6sox: Page 23 of http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps65217b.pdf says that the PMIC chip is specifically designed to charge Li+ batteries, so I assume that means both LiPo and LiFePO4 batteries?
May 25 16:37:37 <dwery> kaektech: I made some tests months ago and it worked nicely. console only
May 25 16:37:55 <dwery> dwery: drop me a note if you release it
May 25 16:38:01 <ka6sox> str8_, there are a lot more Hardware Modules in a BBB than in a Pi, so you don't have to "bitbang" things as much.
May 25 16:38:12 <shapr> Yah, the PRUs look nifty.
May 25 16:38:15 <str8_> yeah thats why i was looking at it
May 25 16:38:19 <str8_> more IO
May 25 16:38:20 <str8_> :)
May 25 16:38:21 <shapr> real time response!
May 25 16:38:38 <ka6sox> shapr, yup, they are an advantage for RT I/O
May 25 16:38:42 <m_billybob> bbb == real embedded device ;)
May 25 16:38:56 <str8_> what OS is prefered with these?
May 25 16:39:01 <str8_> I saw some links on netbsd
May 25 16:39:02 <m_billybob> whatever you prefer
May 25 16:39:05 <shapr> ka6sox: So, seems like I should plug a handy LiPo into my PMIC and see if I get smoke
May 25 16:39:07 <kaektech> dwery: there's not much to release - just installed some software, and stuck an antenna out the window
May 25 16:39:24 <m_billybob> str8_ production image is angstrom, but it'll run ubuntu or debian too
May 25 16:39:27 <ka6sox> str8_, the official is something called Angstrom, but others are working with debian/ubuntu
May 25 16:39:31 <m_billybob> someone has gentoo working on it as well
May 25 16:39:45 <str8_> risc is sub processor?
May 25 16:39:46 <m_billybob> "
May 25 16:39:54 * ka6sox is glad he isn't in the same county as shapr
May 25 16:39:57 <m_billybob> "someone" because i dotn remember whom exactly
May 25 16:40:04 <ka6sox> str8_, 2 of the sub processors.
May 25 16:40:24 <shapr> ka6sox: If you don't hear from me for hours, look for the plume of smoke.
May 25 16:40:33 <ka6sox> they can be used separately, or in parallel.
May 25 16:40:47 <str8_> the main is arm though correct?
May 25 16:40:52 <ka6sox> yes
May 25 16:40:57 <ka6sox> Cortex-A8
May 25 16:42:31 <str8_> do you guys like black or the standard one better
May 25 16:42:37 <str8_> the black version is 1ghz
May 25 16:42:52 <str8_> the mor expensive one is 750mhz but has the risc subs
May 25 16:42:55 <ka6sox> str8_, the black is new...so its taking some getting used to.
May 25 16:43:07 <ka6sox> this one has the risc subs too.
May 25 16:43:40 <str8_> oh I should read closer, lol, the page left out RISC on it, but has the rest of the info
May 25 16:43:51 <m_billybob> ka6sox arent they essentially the same processor, with a refresh on the processor for the black ?
May 25 16:44:38 <str8_> do both of them have 512ram?
May 25 16:44:45 <m_billybob> no
May 25 16:44:55 <m_billybob> the white has 256MB
May 25 16:45:12 <str8_> why is white more expensive?
May 25 16:45:50 <m_billybob> No idea but id assume it largely has to do with quantities made in one pass
May 25 16:46:14 <m_billybob> mostly speculation on my own behalf though
May 25 16:46:46 <str8_> so black is better?
May 25 16:47:16 <m_billybob> hard question to answer i think
May 25 16:47:45 <m_billybob> spec wise it is, software wise since the black is new, and uses new kernel etc, it wil ltake a while to catch up
May 25 16:47:57 <ka6sox> str8_, the real answer I think...is a commitment to making LOTS more of the Black....
May 25 16:48:34 <str8_> damn it you guys, im gonna have to buy one now
May 25 16:48:53 <ka6sox> str8_, Mission Accomplished!
May 25 16:48:57 <m_billybob> heh
May 25 16:49:13 <m_billybob> str8_ seriously though for only $45 can you truly go wrong ?
May 25 16:49:27 <str8_> right
May 25 16:50:36 <m_billybob> Ive personally had nothing but a possitive experience with mine.
May 25 16:50:44 <dwery> plus you will get hours of device tree fun!
May 25 16:51:02 <m_billybob> ther ya go yes, i havent gotten to that part yet ;)
May 25 16:51:17 <str8_> anyone use a small stepper motor with one yet?
May 25 16:51:19 <ka6sox> dwery, ssssssh...thats the icing on the cake.
May 25 16:51:38 <ka6sox> str8_, teh stepper capes work with it.
May 25 16:52:11 <ka6sox> dwery, this app my son is working on I'm hoping will help ease the DT pain.
May 25 16:52:24 <m_billybob> oh an PRU's . . . in the context of PWM more than one person has
May 25 16:52:31 <m_billybob> a project for*
May 25 16:52:32 <dwery> nice. I'm trying to find a nearby pion that's not widelyused
May 25 16:52:44 <m_billybob> ka6sox, me too !
May 25 16:53:07 <ka6sox> m_billybob, you making an app to write the dtbo?
May 25 16:53:17 <m_billybob> ka6sox, your son, he is good with css too ?
May 25 16:53:29 <m_billybob> no no im hopign the app your son is making will ease DT too
May 25 16:53:38 <ka6sox> dunno, I ask for KISS...don't care about CSS much.
May 25 16:53:39 <m_billybob> looks great so far
May 25 16:54:12 <mranostay> morning
May 25 16:54:25 <m_billybob> ka6sox, ah only reason why i ask is im not exactly an EE, and well yeah i need hand holding from time to time.
May 25 16:54:34 <mranostay> oh PRU talk
May 25 16:54:35 <ka6sox> he is working on rev2 that looks more like Rickta59 's example
May 25 16:54:39 <m_billybob> but i supposei could learn to deal with it ;)
May 25 16:54:45 * ka6sox hands mranostay a Bloody Mary.
May 25 16:54:50 <m_billybob> the googe db ?
May 25 16:54:58 <mranostay> best way to start the morning
May 25 16:55:21 <mranostay> ka6sox: nah i think i'll stick to my gatorade
May 25 16:55:45 <ka6sox> hey mranostay its #caturday
May 25 16:56:07 <ka6sox> kaektech, out in the middle of a field?
May 25 16:56:08 <m_billybob> gah speaking of whcih i got to get out nd do some "ranch" work
May 25 16:56:41 <kaektech> ka6sox: Nah, backyard.
May 25 16:57:18 <ka6sox> I think my backyard is 10X10.
May 25 16:57:31 <m_billybob> got ya beat there
May 25 16:57:51 <kaektech> ka6sox: Although, as bad as I need to mow, yes, it does look like a field.
May 25 16:58:20 <ka6sox> you could put a whole football pitch on that with stands!
May 25 16:59:46 <m_billybob> we're lucky we could put a footbal field stands parkign lot and probably have room left over for a shopping mall too
May 25 16:59:58 <m_billybob> 40 acres . . .
May 25 17:00:27 <dwery> I think we need a tool to evaluate compatibility between the capes
May 25 17:00:41 <m_billybob> mowing this place is a serious pita to say the least.
May 25 17:00:55 <kaektech> m_billybob: pave it
May 25 17:01:26 <m_billybob> naw kaektech we have livestock, trying for self sustained here
May 25 17:02:19 <kaektech> m_billybob: I'm about to stick some livestock in my smoker
May 25 17:08:20 <Guest44834> Greetings ,I would like to know that since beagleboard xm do not have any CMOS battery,then where it saves the BIOS configuration
May 25 17:08:30 <_av500_> no battery
May 25 17:08:38 <_av500_> no BIOS either
May 25 17:08:44 <_av500_> nothing to save
May 25 17:08:47 <m_billybob> kaektech, lol yeah thats the idea ;)
May 25 17:09:08 <Guest44834> then
May 25 17:09:13 <Guest44834> ?
May 25 17:09:26 <Guest44834> Dont it need that,and why/
May 25 17:12:11 <ka6sox> dwery, you mean like one that deconflicts pins?
May 25 17:12:45 <dwery> not necessarily... a warning on the conflicting pins would be a start
May 25 17:13:00 <dwery> I think I'm going with P9.23
May 25 17:13:02 <kaektech> Guest44834: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=beagleboard+xm+srm
May 25 17:14:37 <ka6sox> dwery, thats what Rev2 of the app does.
May 25 17:14:43 <dwery> nice
May 25 17:14:47 <ka6sox> warns you of conflicts
May 25 17:15:43 <Guest44834> kaektech ,I read it not completely though,can you just point where it is explained
May 25 17:16:32 <str8_> ctrl + f
May 25 17:16:57 <kaektech> Guest44834: No. We are not here to help you read. Read it for yourself.
May 25 17:18:06 <ka6sox> dwery, https://github.com/ka6sox/BoneTag << JTAG/SWD/SBW/AVRisp cape.
May 25 17:18:17 <dwery> saw it before :)
May 25 17:19:26 <ka6sox> hmmmm...
May 25 17:19:34 <ka6sox> you have been lurking :)
May 25 17:19:47 <dwery> once in a while
May 25 17:19:49 <dwery> :)
May 25 17:20:09 <ka6sox> I'm hoping the GSoC gets picked up :)
May 25 17:22:08 <ka6sox> okay, back to layout...
May 25 17:22:14 <ka6sox> later Ladies and Trolls.
May 25 17:22:52 <mranostay> hey ladies can be trolls too
May 25 17:23:07 <mranostay> trolls and non-trolls seems more PC
May 25 17:23:29 <ka6sox-farfarawa> who said I was PC?
May 25 17:24:18 <ka6sox-farfarawa> mranostay, you are slipping...where is the #caturday picture....just because you were on an All Night Bender doesn't release you from your responsibilities
May 25 17:24:55 <kaektech> PC? I thought we were discussing ARM in here?
May 25 17:25:35 <ka6sox-farfarawa> kaektech, are rarely On Topic...you happen to catch us on a good day...
May 25 17:25:59 <kaektech> I know...
May 25 17:26:40 <ka6sox-farfarawa> okay I need to hide this window if I'm going to get any layout done...laters
May 25 17:31:35 <kaektech> The magic clock chimed and said the pork was ready. Time to build a fire. Adios for now.
May 25 17:45:37 <mru> swedes at the next table, boring conversation
May 25 17:46:07 <mru> it's more fun when they think nobody undetstands them
May 25 17:47:14 <emeb_mac> kind of a dumb assumption these days.
May 25 17:47:34 <mru> it always was
May 25 17:51:06 <Humpelstilzchen> uhm..these blue leds are really...
May 25 17:51:25 <emeb_mac> *bitchin*
May 25 17:57:41 <shapr> mru: I had that happen the last time I was in Portland, the Swedes at the next table assumed I didn't understand them. But when I walked away they saw the Swedish shirt I was wearing.
May 25 17:58:06 <mru> hehe
May 25 17:58:27 <mru> always save the reveal for the end
May 25 18:08:00 <emeb_mac> ... best served cold...
May 25 18:24:10 <mru> shapr: btw, there's a company doing construction work all over berlin called 'porr'
May 25 18:24:47 <mru> I find that slightly amusing
May 25 18:26:26 * emeb_mac google translates "porr". heh.
May 25 18:27:16 <mru> and they're _everywhere_
May 25 18:30:28 <ka6sox-farfarawa> kind of like pidora
May 25 18:37:43 <Rickta59> shapr, .. which beagle do you have?
May 25 18:40:46 <Rickta59> so does anyone have any success stories with any of those $5 wifi dongles on ebay?
May 25 18:51:09 <mru> ka6sox-farfarawa: the difference being that the construction company presumably isn't entirely useless
May 25 18:51:44 <ka6sox-farfarawa> mru, +1
May 25 19:03:44 <kfoltman> hm, first board ordered from seeed... EPIC FAIL or not...?
May 25 19:16:11 <mranostay> mru: swedish for porn?
May 25 19:33:54 <mranostay> beagle_jkridner: merged with boris?
May 25 19:34:18 <jkridner> was for the GSoC meeting earlier
May 25 20:24:07 <_av500_>  ahoi
May 25 20:24:35 <ka6sox-farfarawa> arrrr
May 25 20:26:36 <emeb> avast!
May 25 20:27:11 <emeb> http://www.arrrrrr.com/
May 25 20:40:17 <robotguy> anyone have any ideas why i cannot reboot my beaglebone black?
May 25 20:40:27 <robotguy> it hangs, then kernal panics "drm_kms_helper: panic occurred, switching back to text console"
May 25 20:49:33 <robotguy> anyone have any ideas why i cannot reboot my beaglebone black?
May 25 20:50:24 <chupacabra> reboot doesnt work?
May 25 20:50:40 <robotguy> no it hangs, then kernal panics
May 25 20:50:44 <robotguy> *kernel
May 25 20:51:02 <chupacabra> hangs on way down?
May 25 20:51:35 <robotguy> hangs after: Stopping very small Busybox based DHCP server: Stopped /usr/sbin/udhcpd (pid 765). udhcpd.  * Asking all remaining processes to terminate...                        [ OK ]   * All processes ended within 1 seconds....                              [ OK ]
May 25 20:51:57 <robotguy> then kernel panics (i have that too if you want to see it)
May 25 20:52:16 <chupacabra> what os?
May 25 20:52:26 <robotguy> ubuntu 12.10
May 25 20:52:44 <ka6sox-farfarawa> robotguy, ow ow ow owwwwwww.....
May 25 20:52:52 <chupacabra> prolly should ask those guys.
May 25 20:52:52 <ka6sox-farfarawa> why bleeding edge?
May 25 20:53:07 <ka6sox-farfarawa> thats a maid to fale.
May 25 20:54:45 <robotguy> idk why 12.10, i think i might just switch to 13.04, i have nothing invested in this install right now
May 25 21:04:10 <robotguy> i switched to 13.04 and now it reboots fine
May 25 21:13:30 <ka6sox-farfarawa> robotguy, they can barely keep x86 from breaking with 13.10...arm is going to be worse.
May 25 21:19:37 <robotguy> then what do you reccomend using?
May 25 21:20:29 <mru> linux
May 25 21:25:16 <v2345vewer> is beagleboard better than rpi?
May 25 21:25:35 <Humpelstilzchen> v2345vewer: for what usecase?
May 25 21:27:01 <v2345vewer> house automation
May 25 21:28:13 <robotguy> the bone has more GPIO than the rpi
May 25 21:28:23 <Rickta59> did you find a prebuilt ubuntu image robotguy ?
May 25 21:28:34 <robotguy> yeah
May 25 21:28:37 <Rickta59> link?
May 25 21:28:45 <robotguy> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
May 25 21:30:09 <v2345vewer> can I run debian on it?
May 25 21:30:37 <Humpelstilzchen> v2345vewer: I hope so
May 25 21:30:51 <Humpelstilzchen> v2345vewer: just got mine and will try it soon :)
May 25 21:31:51 <Humpelstilzchen> v2345vewer: elinux has a page about using the beagle with debian
May 25 21:32:16 <risc> v2345vewer: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
May 25 21:33:12 <Humpelstilzchen> v2345vewer: of course you can alway get both boards and try them out :)
May 25 21:34:13 <Humpelstilzchen> risc: why is the process so complicated? Shouldn't it just be "place a few files on boot and do a debootstrap?
May 25 21:35:05 <risc> Humpelstilzchen: I'm wanting to get FreeBSD running on mine, I need to cross compile the whole OS to a SD card... the Debian process looks a lot easier :P
May 25 21:35:36 <risc> I found an image for Debian earlier that I haven't tested... let me find the site
May 25 21:36:29 <risc> http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/
May 25 21:42:23 <ozzloy> i just plugged in a beagle bone black via usb and i'm unable to browse to http://192.168.7.2/
May 25 21:42:31 <ozzloy> i'm running ubuntu 12.04
May 25 21:44:27 <ozzloy> can someone help me troubleshoot?
May 25 21:44:33 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: just sitting on the same, though it works over ethernet
May 25 21:44:47 <ozzloy> interesting
May 25 21:45:06 <ozzloy> so i am working with another guy.  we have 2 boards.  for him, both work if he just plugs them in
May 25 21:45:23 <Humpelstilzchen> oh and it seems the board needs a new firmware
May 25 21:45:39 <ozzloy> he can just browse to the page.  i cannot.  i'll see if i can find an ethernet cable
May 25 21:45:44 <ozzloy> we're both running 12.04
May 25 21:45:48 <ozzloy> brb
May 25 21:46:45 <risc> well if both boards are working for him and not you, it's your Ubuntu setup or you haven't installed the drivers?
May 25 21:47:15 <Humpelstilzchen> it says driver installation is not required
May 25 21:48:07 <risc> I've been using mine via OS X, but there was definitely a Linux shell script on the card/website
May 25 21:48:16 <Humpelstilzchen> just udev rules
May 25 21:49:00 <ozzloy> he didn't install drivers
May 25 21:49:05 <ozzloy> and yes, it's my ubuntu setup
May 25 21:49:07 <ozzloy> i'm not sure what
May 25 21:49:39 <ozzloy> for fun, i ran the script to add udev rules
May 25 21:49:46 <ozzloy> it was loads of fun
May 25 21:50:09 <risc> outside running a diff against the 2 installs I've got no idea how anyone can help you, as you've already said your card actually work
May 25 21:50:14 <ozzloy> it works with an ehternet cable!
May 25 21:50:53 <Humpelstilzchen> my beagle has the usb network setup, but my host not..
May 25 21:51:03 <ozzloy> someone who knows networking better than i could probably help
May 25 21:51:16 <ozzloy> networking is a sore spot for me
May 25 21:51:38 <risc> I work with networks every day, but would have no idea how to diagnose a working card... but then I don't use Ubuntu at all, shit seems broken to me :)
May 25 21:52:41 <Humpelstilzchen> risc: not card specific, looks like the beagle is supposed to do ethernet over usb
May 25 21:52:53 <risc> it does
May 25 21:53:00 <risc> it works perfectly here on OS X :)
May 25 21:53:25 <risc> looks Ubuntu or Linux specific to me
May 25 21:53:49 <risc> I've only mucked around with my Black via usb, and ssh root@192.168.7.2 works exactly as expected
May 25 22:00:52 <shapr> Rickta59: I have the BBB, and a Rosewell $10 wifi dongle that works fine once I installed the firmware package... rtl8xxx something
May 25 22:01:14 <Rickta59> thanks shapr
May 25 22:01:33 <Rickta59> i've been losing my internet allday .. so if you pinged me earlier with that .. sorry
May 25 22:01:44 <shapr> Rickta59: Nah, I was out mowing :-)
May 25 22:01:52 <Rickta59> so have you got haskell going on it yet?
May 25 22:02:26 <shapr> Rickta59: Nope, I've been distracted. But this next week my wife is out of town with the car, so I'll have five days of focus time!
May 25 22:02:43 <Rickta59> i'm pretty impressed with this thing so far
May 25 22:03:00 <Rickta59> it is comparable to the x86 850MHz i have sitting on the floor ;)
May 25 22:03:13 <Rickta59> 1999 machine
May 25 22:03:36 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Rickta59, and a whole lot less power and noise....
May 25 22:03:52 <Rickta59> yeah it is sitting .. only turn it on in the winter for heat
May 25 22:05:11 <mrpackethead> i'm contemplating putting a bcc togehter.
May 25 22:12:18 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: ok found my problem..
May 25 22:12:24 <Humpelstilzchen> I think
May 25 22:14:26 <shapr> Rickta59: Yah, except the DDR3 memory is faster, and the eMMC is probably faster, and it costs a lot less to run :-)
May 25 22:15:30 <Rickta59> i'm trying to figure out where to plug the ati 9700 pro
May 25 22:16:46 <Rickta59> is there a cape for that : ) ?
May 25 22:17:57 <Rickta59> it would be interesting to try and connect up some old isa card
May 25 22:18:24 <Humpelstilzchen> you could try an fpga cape for that
May 25 22:18:52 <Rickta59> or try and get some old ata ide drives to work
May 25 22:19:13 <Rickta59> but .. hmm .. no
May 25 22:19:15 <mru> isa cape has been suggested before
May 25 22:19:31 <mru> ata ~= isa
May 25 22:19:37 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I don't think there is room for the connector!
May 25 22:19:38 <mrpackethead> there is suppaobly a cape that has a SATA interace
May 25 22:19:45 <mrpackethead> the Logi-bone
May 25 22:19:47 <Humpelstilzchen> seems like beagle is needing rndis_host, though why isn't that documented
May 25 22:20:26 <Rickta59> i've seen an 8051 project that accessed some old ide drives
May 25 22:21:24 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: what problem?
May 25 22:21:40 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: why my network does not work
May 25 22:21:52 <Rickta59> from windows?
May 25 22:22:05 <Humpelstilzchen> Debian
May 25 22:22:12 <Rickta59> just worked here in ubuntu
May 25 22:23:34 <risc> have to restart this FreeBSD jail...back in a sec
May 25 22:24:30 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: what was the problem?
May 25 22:24:51 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: more importantly, what was the fix?
May 25 22:25:52 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: My self compiled kernel was missing the modul rndis_host
May 25 22:26:01 <ka6sox-farfarawa> d'oh
May 25 22:26:10 <Humpelstilzchen> hey i have cdc_ether^
May 25 22:26:30 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: lets check your problem, do you get a network device?
May 25 22:29:25 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: i don't know
May 25 22:29:47 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: pastebin ifconfig -a
May 25 22:29:56 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: kk
May 25 22:30:25 <ozzloy> http://pastebin.com/2DmQDZVV
May 25 22:30:29 <ozzloy> oh wait
May 25 22:30:49 <ozzloy> i'm trying to run ubuntu off an sd card, hold on i'll reboot it to the angstrom
May 25 22:31:12 <ozzloy> ok, i'll rerun that with just the usb plugged in
May 25 22:31:20 <ozzloy> what i really want is to get ROS on this thing
May 25 22:32:10 <ozzloy> here's ifconfig -a with just usb plugged in and no microsd in the slot http://pastebin.com/05WH0PkR
May 25 22:32:23 <ozzloy> and i can view files on the board
May 25 22:32:48 <ozzloy> the beagle bone gets auto mounted at /media/BEAGLEBONE
May 25 22:33:08 <johnresh> anyone know future direction of hwmod? Is all the data going into DT ultimately?
May 25 22:33:41 <ka6sox-farfarawa> johnresh, depends on who you talk to...
May 25 22:33:48 <johnresh> lol
May 25 22:34:08 <shapr> ozzloy: Rats of Size? What's ROS?
May 25 22:34:12 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: you seem to get the usb device but for some reason have another ip there
May 25 22:34:17 <shapr> Oh, Realtime Operating System?
May 25 22:34:20 <Humpelstilzchen> robot operationg system
May 25 22:34:22 <Humpelstilzchen> ros.org
May 25 22:34:31 <mru> robot rats?
May 25 22:34:31 <johnresh> ka6sox-farfarawa: doc for omap-i2c.txt says "Future plan is to migrate hwmod data base contents into device tree 19	blob so that, all the required data will be used from device tree dts 20	file."
May 25 22:34:39 <shapr> bah, not nearly as interesting as getting rodents installed on a BeagleBone :-P
May 25 22:34:39 <johnresh> but I hear lots of different stories.
May 25 22:34:51 <shapr> I'm going to make a fork of the BBB and call it the BeagleBane!
May 25 22:35:12 <johnresh> ka6sox-farfarawa:
May 25 22:35:34 <mru> shapr: :)
May 25 22:35:34 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: do you have done any static configuration on eth1?
May 25 22:36:00 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: how do i check?  maybe.  i use openvpn for work.  maybe that's screwing something up?
May 25 22:36:07 <ka6sox-farfarawa> johnresh, depending on who you talk to they are about ready to kill the inventor of DT or just shake their heads and go back to the "olde way" and not upgrade kernels.
May 25 22:36:32 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: what if you just try to get a dhcp-ip on eth1?
May 25 22:36:37 <mru> how about a mechanical bat, a robat?
May 25 22:36:52 <kaektech-fire> batty
May 25 22:36:53 <shapr> mru: That's PERFECT!
May 25 22:37:04 <ka6sox-farfarawa> johnresh, there are a few who have embraced it as the "future" but most are being dragged kicking and screaming...
May 25 22:37:12 <johnresh> ka6sox-farfarawa: I meant mainline kernel from kernel.org
May 25 22:37:22 <johnresh> embraced DT?
May 25 22:37:38 <johnresh> ka6sox-farfarawa: ok
May 25 22:37:52 <shapr> So, what is hwmod anyway?
May 25 22:38:04 <johnresh> ka6sox-farfarawa: I think certain information like clock-tree data should still be in hwmod
May 25 22:38:15 <ka6sox-farfarawa> johnresh, I only know about what I hear here on this channel and in/on the mailinglist/googlegroup/ph0rum
May 25 22:38:19 <Sicelo> ozzloy: is there /etc/network/interfaces there? if so, what does it contain
May 25 22:38:49 <ka6sox-farfarawa> johnresh, I'm not sure we get the choice...
May 25 22:39:12 <ka6sox-farfarawa> and clock/power domains have always been "fun"
May 25 22:39:30 <johnresh> ka6sox-farfarawa: hm ok.. doing git log of hwmod , doesn't seem like any of it is reduced in near future (atleast for #beagle bone's SoC)
May 25 22:39:50 <johnresh> s/future/recent past/
May 25 22:40:41 <johnresh> so i think it is still very much alive ;-)
May 25 22:41:01 <ka6sox-farfarawa> there was talk about mainlining the hwmod stuff but I don't know how.
May 25 22:41:07 <johnresh> anyway dt is more like replacing platform data looks like, than replacing hwmod, would you agree?
May 25 22:41:15 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: dhcp-ip eth1 zsh: command not found: dhcp-ip
May 25 22:41:25 <ozzloy> Sicelo: checking
May 25 22:41:33 <ka6sox-farfarawa> johnresh, its replacing the platform datafiles yes.
May 25 22:41:43 <ozzloy> Sicelo: ~/ cat /etc/network/interfaces  auto lo iface lo inet loopback
May 25 22:41:46 <ka6sox-farfarawa> and doing things like pinmuxing
May 25 22:41:47 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: thats not a command, dhclient eth1 would be the command, but you should be able to do that via network manager
May 25 22:42:20 <ozzloy> ~/ sudo dhclient eth1  (no output)
May 25 22:42:28 <ozzloy> "via network manager"?
May 25 22:42:38 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: now try again
May 25 22:42:45 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Humpelstilzchen, I've had problems with network mangler...I just turn it off and do it the old way...much safer.
May 25 22:42:50 <Humpelstilzchen> to connect
May 25 22:42:54 <ozzloy> try ... 192.168.7.2?
May 25 22:42:55 <Humpelstilzchen> ka6sox-farfarawa: I never used it :)
May 25 22:43:11 <Sicelo> ka6sox-farfarawa: +1
May 25 22:43:26 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: it worked!
May 25 22:43:39 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: what just happened?
May 25 22:43:46 <ozzloy> why did it not work, why does it work now?
May 25 22:43:58 <ka6sox-farfarawa> ozzloy, that will remain a MAJOR mystery...
May 25 22:44:19 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: could you give me some guesses?
May 25 22:44:52 <Sicelo> :P
May 25 22:44:54 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: for some reason your system did not fetched an ip from the beagle
May 25 22:45:15 <ozzloy> ic
May 25 22:48:15 <tdilly> I lose video if I connect anything extra to my BBB besides video (tried keyboard and ethernet) I'm using walwart USB that supplies 850 mA, is that not enough juice?
May 25 22:48:47 <shapr> tdilly: Ethernet certainly shouldn't consume much power.
May 25 22:49:19 <tdilly> I can either do eithernet or video, else I won't get video
May 25 22:50:03 <tdilly> they both work individually but not together
May 25 22:50:32 <shapr> Do you see anything in the logs at the point where it dies?
May 25 22:51:16 <tdilly> shapr: Nope, if I boot with them both I never get video, if I boot with video then connect ethernet I lose video
May 25 22:51:44 <shapr> Boot with ethernet then connect video?
May 25 22:51:59 <tdilly> shapr: Will give it a shot
May 25 22:52:14 <shapr> tdilly: If you're watching the logs as it happens, you might get some useful output?
May 25 22:55:00 <tdilly> shapr: I got: "tilcdc 4830e000.fb: Connected to an HDMI monitor with cea mode 1" and a some white lines on the montor
May 25 22:55:12 <tdilly> shapr: from dmesg
May 25 22:57:06 <shapr> Well, the HDMI port sees the monitor :-)
May 25 22:57:33 <tdilly> I have a 1.5A walwart but it's adjustable and only does either 4.5V or 6V for some reason no 5V :/
May 25 22:57:46 <shapr> suck :-(
May 25 22:57:58 <Leolo_3> this might be a silly question : where is access to the GPIO pins documented?
May 25 22:57:59 <shapr> I think the beaglebone black really wants 5v +/- 5%
May 25 22:58:08 <shapr> Leolo_3: What sort of access?
May 25 22:58:19 <Leolo_3> program
May 25 22:58:22 <Leolo_3> from Perl, say
May 25 22:58:23 <tdilly> I'm wondering if the USB walkwart doesn't really put out 850mA?
May 25 22:58:30 <Leolo_3> I can find the pinouts, no problem
May 25 22:59:02 <shapr> tdilly: I dunno, have you tried powering it from the USB port on a laptop?
May 25 22:59:12 <Humpelstilzchen> Leolo_3: you can usually read/write gpios via sysfs
May 25 22:59:29 <shapr> tdilly: Alternatively, would you happen to have one of those dual-input usb ports that do 1000mA?
May 25 22:59:33 <shapr> er, usb cable...
May 25 23:00:04 <shapr> tdilly: I have one of these: http://www.datoptic.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/f/i/file_15_9.jpg
May 25 23:00:28 <shapr> tdilly: Do you have a different HDMI monitor you could try?
May 25 23:00:29 <ka6sox-farfarawa> johnresh, http://linuxgizmos.com/beaglebone-black-climbs-the-device-tree-with-linux-3-8/
May 25 23:00:45 <tdilly> shapr: negatory on the dual-usb cable, I'll try laptop usb and see what I get, I know the ethernet will work but didn't try with video at the same time
May 25 23:01:00 <johnresh> ka6sox-farfarawa: yes i read that
May 25 23:01:05 <shapr> tdilly: have you read http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack_HDMI ?
May 25 23:01:31 <johnresh> thx
May 25 23:01:50 <Leolo_3> humpel : I don't (yet) have a board.  Imma looking for doco
May 25 23:01:52 <johnresh> DT can hold info of both SoC and board, while hwmod is for the SoC
May 25 23:01:52 <tdilly> shapr: no I didn't read that, video does work though, just not with anything else attached, I'll look over that and try laptopt usb
May 25 23:02:30 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I knew I was saying the wrong thing..it replaces "boardfiles"
May 25 23:02:48 <johnresh> I wish the distinction was more clear. What is the need to move everything into DT? Is it because SoC's are proliferating at such a high rate that kernel developers want to keep it more out of tree?
May 25 23:02:56 <ka6sox-farfarawa> johnresh, DT will not unify the ARM space...too many Vendors who won't play ball.
May 25 23:03:24 <johnresh> johnresh: hwmod -> DT decision is more omap'ish right
May 25 23:03:37 <johnresh> are there really SoCs that put _all_ info into DT?
May 25 23:04:01 <ka6sox-farfarawa> from what i'm reading the sparc and ppc ones do.
May 25 23:04:12 <johnresh> right
May 25 23:04:17 <ka6sox-farfarawa> (not as many flavours of those however)
May 25 23:04:26 <Humpelstilzchen> afaik zynq-7000 has nearly all in the DT
May 25 23:04:32 <ka6sox-farfarawa> s/sparc/sharc/
May 25 23:04:40 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Humpelstilzchen, thats a very late comer.
May 25 23:05:10 <ka6sox-farfarawa> probably started with 3.7 when DT was in its infancy.
May 25 23:05:15 <Rickta59> so before DT how did you set stuff up? it was in the kernel?
May 25 23:05:19 <Humpelstilzchen> ka6sox-farfarawa: the default kernel is 3.2
May 25 23:05:42 <Rickta59> or you just had to reconfigure with some code?
May 25 23:05:47 <ka6sox-farfarawa> ah, okay...I keep wanting to get one as I like VHDL...but the $300 price tag scares me off.
May 25 23:06:01 <joel_> Moving to pure DT for linux-omap can be a big challenge as I see it,... all the hwmod lookup code will break ;)
May 25 23:06:02 <Humpelstilzchen> the 300 is the cheap board ;)
May 25 23:06:20 <ka6sox-farfarawa> joel_, +1
May 25 23:06:53 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Humpelstilzchen, ya, I see that :P
May 25 23:07:21 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Humpelstilzchen, I'd rather buy a BBB and a BCC and have fun with that
May 25 23:07:27 <kaektech-baste> But I thought DT cured cancer and brought peace to the middle east?
May 25 23:07:43 <kaektech-baste> ka6sox-farfarawa: BCC +1
May 25 23:07:45 <ozzloy> how do i check if the bbb is sdb?  this page says it assumes that's where the bbb is
May 25 23:07:47 <ozzloy> http://www.armhf.com/index.php/getting-started-with-ubuntu-img-file/
May 25 23:08:04 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: look in dmesg
May 25 23:08:11 <ozzloy> i did ls /dev|grep mmc
May 25 23:08:21 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: k
May 25 23:08:37 <ka6sox-farfarawa> dmesg | grep mmc
May 25 23:08:52 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: dmesg|grep sdb ?
May 25 23:09:09 <ka6sox-farfarawa> what are you looking for?
May 25 23:10:14 <ozzloy> i did that and got tons of output http://pastebin.com/iG9eUSjt
May 25 23:10:19 <ozzloy> ka6sox-farfarawa: you asking me?
May 25 23:10:30 <ozzloy> my overall goal is to get ROS on the BBB
May 25 23:10:40 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: looks like sdb
May 25 23:11:03 <ka6sox-farfarawa> ozzloy, iirc there is a proposal for a GSoC project to do this...
May 25 23:11:15 <ozzloy> my current attack vector is to put ubuntu on it, then get the ROS packages
May 25 23:11:19 <ka6sox-farfarawa> so I suspect they don't think this cvan be done in a day.
May 25 23:11:38 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: k.  giving it a whack
May 25 23:12:51 <ka6sox-farfarawa> ozzloy, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/vmayoral/3002
May 25 23:13:59 <ozzloy> http://pastebin.com/i8wvhsbj
May 25 23:14:14 <ozzloy> it doesn't write, says there's no space on sdb
May 25 23:15:21 <tdilly> shapr: strange everything seems to be working at the same time now even keyboard, I just went through the steps of that doc you sent to see if my default resolution was supported
May 25 23:16:09 <tdilly> now back to my original task of getting arch on it :)
May 25 23:16:33 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: uhm you currently have an sd card reader attached and the card inserted?
May 25 23:17:46 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: i was trying something dumb.  trying something else now (possibly also dumb)
May 25 23:18:06 <Rickta59> well that was painless .. ubuntu image install
May 25 23:20:24 <ka6sox-farfarawa> ozzloy, did you look at that GSoC proposal?
May 25 23:20:31 <Rickta59_> how about from here
May 25 23:20:39 <ka6sox-farfarawa> can't see you from there.
May 25 23:20:45 <ozzloy> ok, not much better.  ka6sox-farfarawa i saw the front page, looks cool
May 25 23:21:02 <Rickta59_> nice .. does angstrom have a web based terminal emulator too?
May 25 23:21:05 <Rickta59_> i hadn't noticed it
May 25 23:21:05 <ka6sox-farfarawa> ozzloy, so apparently they don't think its a weekend project.
May 25 23:21:22 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: ok, so i realized that this wasn't going to write to the bbb directly and instead would write to a micro sd card
May 25 23:21:36 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Rickta59_, xterm?
May 25 23:21:40 <ka6sox-farfarawa> oh wait
May 25 23:21:44 <ka6sox-farfarawa> web based.
May 25 23:21:45 <Rickta59> i mean from the web
May 25 23:21:46 <ka6sox-farfarawa> never mind
May 25 23:22:14 <ka6sox-farfarawa> hmmm...wonder if wTerm would work...
May 25 23:22:14 <Rickta59_> i'm here in chrome, connected to the beagle bone on ubuntu
May 25 23:22:27 <ozzloy> Rickta59_: neat
May 25 23:22:37 <Rickta59_> "Shell in a box" ..
May 25 23:22:39 <ozzloy> ka6sox-farfarawa: good thing i have no idea that what i'm doing is impossible
May 25 23:22:46 <Rickta59_> strangle makes me think of SNL
May 25 23:22:48 <ozzloy> s/doing/attempting/
May 25 23:22:56 <Rickta59_> strangely .. it does
May 25 23:22:58 <ozzloy> otherwise i might not try ^_^
May 25 23:23:54 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: ok, so i put a microsd card in my computer, then tried to run the xz thing and got this: http://pastebin.com/WZyXf4ST
May 25 23:24:14 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: dmesg?
May 25 23:24:25 <Rickta59_> https://code.google.com/p/shellinabox/ .. that is what ubuntu is running
May 25 23:24:45 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: all of it?
May 25 23:24:51 <Rickta59_> ubuntu on the BBB
May 25 23:24:57 <Humpelstilzchen> last 20 lines or so
May 25 23:28:05 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: http://pastebin.com/A41Asq3z tail end of dmesg
May 25 23:28:45 <Humpelstilzchen> ozzloy: it says sdc there
May 25 23:28:51 <ozzloy> yes?
May 25 23:29:19 <ozzloy> root@planchet:~# xz -cd ./ubuntu-12.04-armhf-minfs-3.8.13-bone18.img.xz > /dev/sdc -su: /dev/sdc: No medium found
May 25 23:31:42 <ka6sox-farfarawa> enumeration creep
May 25 23:33:36 <kfoltman> who enumerates the enumerators?
May 25 23:34:15 <Humpelstilzchen> besides of the error, does xz -cd really works?
May 25 23:34:58 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: oh, maybe?
May 25 23:43:07 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: it was the card.
May 25 23:43:23 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: new microSD card is working fine
May 25 23:50:09 <Shadyman> BAM https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942811_10151427639411226_1136920696_n.jpg Duracell, you make my BBB happy.
May 25 23:50:26 <ozzloy> Humpelstilzchen: thanks for your help on this!  super appreciated
May 25 23:50:47 <ozzloy> ka6sox-farfarawa: thank you too!
May 25 23:52:18 <Humpelstilzchen> np
May 25 23:53:11 <Humpelstilzchen> n8
May 26 00:01:41 <ozzloy> "n8"?
May 26 00:01:47 <ozzloy> nate?
May 26 01:36:43 <Shadyman> Heh. Whoops. http://beagleboard.org/project/angstrom/
May 26 01:36:49 <Shadyman> note the angry comments :3
May 26 01:44:13 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Shadyman, the maintainer has too much on his plate.
May 26 01:44:22 <Shadyman> Yeah :(
May 26 01:44:25 <Shadyman> Don't we all.
May 26 01:45:06 <Shadyman> I dont' think they're using the term "brick" correctly, as you can quite easily just load a new image on and flash it
May 26 01:50:16 <Shadyman> and SSH isn't broken on the shipped OS anymore, at least not on newer ones
May 26 01:50:55 <ka6sox-farfarawa> the problem is a lack of understanding about how this is different (as a source distribution) vs a feed distribution (such as Ubuntu)
May 26 01:52:19 <Shadyman> yeah
May 26 01:53:10 <Shadyman> I'm curious how much of the node.js stuff could be ported to ubuntu
May 26 01:53:24 <Shadyman> s/ported/easily ported/
May 26 01:54:01 <Shadyman> perhaps just rolling a stock ubuntu with the node.js and devicetree and web interface/widgets/etc would work
May 26 01:54:21 <Shadyman> at least for folks that don't understand angstrom ;)
May 26 01:56:08 <ka6sox-farfarawa> the new Ubuntu is Hard Float...so kernel stuff is not interchangeable and neither is any of the software.
May 26 01:56:32 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I'd feel better with Debian as you have a chance :P
May 26 01:57:03 <ka6sox-farfarawa> and compiling on a Beagle is REALLY sucky.
May 26 01:58:55 <Shadyman> heh
May 26 01:59:04 <Shadyman> beaglebone compile clusters ;)
May 26 01:59:30 <ka6sox-farfarawa> CPU power is fine...HD I/O sucks.
May 26 01:59:47 <ka6sox-farfarawa> always has for non-PCI/PCIe stuff.
May 26 02:00:40 <ka6sox-farfarawa> doesnt' even matter if you use a SSD...its just sucky to use USB for HD access.
May 26 02:00:42 <ka6sox-farfarawa> period.
May 26 02:00:48 <Shadyman> indeed
May 26 02:01:10 <Shadyman> heh. Even my tablet, I just ran Sandisk's memory test on the internal flash on it. think it rated a whopping 1.9MByte/s
May 26 02:01:16 <Shadyman> for write speed
May 26 02:01:33 <Shadyman> because, of course, it's flash, and it has to erase and allocate entire blocks, etc etc
May 26 02:02:09 <ka6sox-farfarawa> its just sucky...period
May 26 02:02:21 <Shadyman> ^
May 26 02:04:32 <Shadyman> Ooh, nice. http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/beagleboneblack/install_emmc.xml#expand
May 26 02:05:51 <ketas> my bbb is nicelt gone
May 26 02:06:08 <ketas> nicely
May 26 02:06:16 <ketas> should connect serial
May 26 02:07:34 <ketas> opkg upgrade failed like i was afraid of :)
May 26 02:17:24 <ka6sox-farfarawa> mourning emeb_mac
May 26 02:17:43 <emeb_mac> good evening ka6sox-farfarawa
May 26 02:20:12 <Shadyman> ka6sox-near: how far far away was far far away?
May 26 02:22:31 <ka6sox-near> Shadyman, thats my "I'm working" nick
May 26 02:22:53 <Shadyman> I figured :)
May 26 02:23:43 <Shadyman> it was begging the question, though ;)
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