**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 31 02:59:58 2013
May 31 03:05:03 <ketas> m_billybob:
May 31 03:05:07 <ketas> er
May 31 03:05:33 <ketas> well, i was looking http://www.addonics.com/products/adu3esa.php now
May 31 03:08:45 <plastygrove> Does anyone know where I can find the gpio max current specifics for the BBB? I skimmed through the SRM but couldn't find it. I believe it varies from pin to pin?
May 31 03:09:51 <ketas> it isn't in huge ti pdf?
May 31 03:10:33 <plastygrove> ketas: You mean the file titled BBB_SRM.pdf?
May 31 03:10:47 <plastygrove> 116 pages
May 31 03:10:56 <plastygrove> couldn't find it in there
May 31 03:11:08 <plastygrove> found a webpage that says it varies from 4mA-6mA
May 31 03:11:14 <plastygrove> is that correct?
May 31 03:12:20 <ketas> maybe, as those are never current sources
May 31 03:14:25 <plastygrove> ketas: Never? I'm coming from an Arduino background where each pin can supply and sink upto 40mA
May 31 03:15:06 <plastygrove> So I need to use a transistor to power everything and never sink anything in the output pins?
May 31 03:18:22 <ketas> even 40ma is pretty much nothing
May 31 03:18:49 <ketas> i found 6ma too
May 31 03:20:08 <plastygrove> ketas: Yea, but good enough to get a few leds blinking :)
May 31 03:20:51 <plastygrove> ketas: Thanks for the help, I'll try to keep it at 4ma at least until I get more info
May 31 03:20:54 <m_billybob> ketas yeah ? whats up ?
May 31 03:21:10 <ketas> i mean, what else currentish could you run off uc pin anyway...
May 31 03:21:47 <ketas> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beaglebone/dosKmEE7xso
May 31 03:22:11 <m_billybob> ketas sorry was just posting and trying to be civil on the groups . . . after my just now very frustrating experience with bluetooth on debian
May 31 03:22:16 <m_billybob> what about addonics now ?
May 31 03:22:29 <ketas> plastygrove: 4ma *max* too
May 31 03:22:56 <ketas> m_billybob: hm, i wondered if i can get smart data of disk via usb?
May 31 03:23:11 <m_billybob> what is smart data ?
May 31 03:23:17 <m_billybob> oh right hmmm
May 31 03:23:19 <ketas> i don't actually know what's used in scsi for that
May 31 03:23:36 <m_billybob> you cold always email the guys at addonics and ask
May 31 03:23:56 <m_billybob> i dont really know but the guys at addonics are usually very helpful
May 31 03:24:26 <plastygrove> ketas: 4ma max! I was just patting myself on the back for being able to blink an led on a breadboard using the BBB. It looks like I was pretty close to ruining my board :(
May 31 03:26:17 <m_billybob> ketas, though just off the top of my head, I would *think* that would be more of a function of the HPM rather than USB
May 31 03:26:35 <m_billybob> pretty sure you would need a hardware port multiplier for that
May 31 03:26:54 <ketas> plastygrove: 4ma can blink a led
May 31 03:28:04 <plastygrove> ketas: yea it worked, but I'm not sure of the voltage drop across the led. I'm using a 1k resistor but that still brings it around 3mA
May 31 03:28:26 <ketas> so as i said... only voltage source...
May 31 03:29:13 <ketas> i was wondering myself on if i should connect optocoupler directly to pin or put something in between?
May 31 03:33:06 <SpeedEvil> it's an led
May 31 03:33:15 <SpeedEvil> you need a resistor
May 31 03:33:34 <ketas> well, *with* resistor?
May 31 03:33:54 <ketas> board itself uses darlington array to drive on board leds
May 31 03:37:10 <ketas> emm
May 31 03:37:16 <ketas> wasn't darlington
May 31 03:37:20 <ketas> actually
May 31 03:38:16 <ketas> anyway it uses max 0.33ma from pin
May 31 03:50:00 <ketas> uln2004 is good then, maybe?
May 31 03:50:04 <ketas> for example
May 31 04:07:57 <prob> my beaglebone black can't recgonized by computer, when I connect them using usb line
May 31 04:08:07 <prob> can anyone help
May 31 04:08:29 <_av500_> its not like the white
May 31 04:08:34 <_av500_> there is no FTDI chip
May 31 04:08:41 <ka6sox-farfarawa> prob: how are you trying to talk to it? what method (other than using a USB cable)...
May 31 04:09:22 <prob> I simple connect the usb line to the comnputer with bbb
May 31 04:09:42 <_av500_> right
May 31 04:09:49 <prob> and the computer didn't pop up a new hardware
May 31 04:09:53 <_av500_> there should be a usb mass storage eventually
May 31 04:10:02 <_av500_> do you see leds blinking?
May 31 04:10:06 <prob> but there isn't
May 31 04:10:12 <prob> it was ok before
May 31 04:10:20 <prob> but not now
May 31 04:11:08 <prob> the bbb can still be run as a standalone computer when connected to 5V DC and hdmi
May 31 04:13:48 <prob> yes the leds are still blinking
May 31 04:16:41 <ketas> it was ok before?
May 31 04:16:45 <ketas> so what you did :P
May 31 04:19:32 <prob> I had updated the angstrom linux.
May 31 04:19:47 <prob> but that shouldn't be a problem
May 31 04:27:20 <ka6sox-farfarawa> prob: how did you upgrade the angstrom linux?
May 31 04:29:54 <ka6sox-farfarawa> prob: if you did opkg upgrade...then go get the latest flasher and flash the BBB
May 31 04:30:10 <ka6sox-farfarawa> bbl
May 31 04:36:06 <bakers> Anyone have their BBB yet?
May 31 04:36:25 <mranostay> possibly
May 31 04:37:22 <bakers> Mine arrives tomorrow I'm stoked
May 31 04:37:57 <bakers> I want to interface, from a Linux prompt, with a ds18b20 temperature module
May 31 04:43:08 <bakers> Does the BB have a specific pin for one wire devices?
May 31 04:43:17 <bakers> or can I use any GPIO pin?
May 31 04:44:43 <mranostay> it is all gpio-w1
May 31 04:45:04 <bakers> What does that mean?
May 31 04:45:43 <mranostay> there are no w1 busses
May 31 04:45:47 <bakers> I'm porting from an Arduino platform that uses 5 separate one wire GPIO pins
May 31 04:45:51 <mranostay> it is any gpio you assign
May 31 04:46:01 <bakers> Great
May 31 04:46:14 <bakers> is gpio-w1 the driver?
May 31 04:47:49 <mrpackethead> mranostay: why is it called 1 wire, when you actually need 2 wores
May 31 04:47:51 <mrpackethead> wires
May 31 04:47:52 <mrpackethead> even
May 31 04:48:36 <mranostay> 3 really
May 31 04:49:03 <bakers> mrpackethead, You can set them in vampire mode
May 31 04:49:09 <bakers> then you only need one data wire
May 31 04:49:21 <bakers> so the power and the data line are shared then
May 31 04:49:48 <bakers> Never done it though... 3 wires isn't that tough
May 31 04:50:34 <mrpackethead> yes..
May 31 04:50:36 <mrpackethead> you can.
May 31 04:50:47 <mrpackethead> but its still not 1 wires is it
May 31 04:50:57 <mrpackethead> its 2 wirees
May 31 04:52:50 <bakers> mrpackethead, True... one data wire I guess?
May 31 04:53:03 <bakers> as opposed to transmit/receive = 2?
May 31 04:59:25 <bakers> Can I access the analog inputs from somewhere in /sys?
May 31 05:04:34 <av500> ahoi
May 31 05:05:03 <mranostay> crap
May 31 05:05:07 * mranostay leaves
May 31 05:05:43 <av500> better
May 31 05:05:59 * mranostay cries
May 31 05:06:04 <ketas> why
May 31 05:06:09 <ketas> don't cry!
May 31 05:06:44 * mranostay goes for a run
May 31 05:07:02 <av500> beer run?
May 31 05:07:14 <mrpackethead> no beer
May 31 05:07:39 <av500> moonshine?
May 31 05:08:09 <mrpackethead> mranstroy do you know which IO to use for a half wire inerfacec?
May 31 05:08:32 <av500> mrpackethead: I or O
May 31 05:08:34 <av500> not both
May 31 05:08:57 <mrpackethead> 1-wire is so last week
May 31 05:09:26 <av500> its also a lie
May 31 05:09:33 <mrpackethead> no kidding
May 31 05:09:34 <av500> I2C is called 2 wire but needs 4
May 31 05:09:44 <mrpackethead> marketing
May 31 05:09:47 <av500> 1 wire has only 2 wires, so it should be 0-wire
May 31 05:10:07 <mrpackethead> i have the number plate 0WIRES
May 31 05:10:23 <mrpackethead> becuase i used to do wireless networks
May 31 05:10:35 <av500> you rule at the drive-in
May 31 05:15:54 <dgriffi> I have an idea for a cape that requires an audio interface on it. I don't want to copy the official audio cape because if I do that, I won't have much room left over for the rest of the circuit.  Can someone out there suggest a single-chip audio controller solution?
May 31 05:17:54 <mrpackethead> the chip on the audio cape is really good
May 31 05:17:58 <mrpackethead> everythign in one ic
May 31 05:18:06 <mrpackethead> how much more room do you need?
May 31 05:27:36 <mrpackethead> dgriffi: ?
May 31 05:30:04 <dgriffi> mrpackethead: I'm reading over the schems more carefully
May 31 05:30:22 <dgriffi> I didn't quite realize that all the other stuff in there is for video stuff and not installed by default
May 31 05:30:30 <mranostay> you don't count ground and vdd
May 31 05:32:10 <dgriffi> mrpackethead: so, yes, I see... single chip.  maybe an eeprom
May 31 05:33:19 <Humpelstilzchen> http://blog.attraktor.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/arm_boards.png Who can identify them all? :)
May 31 05:33:50 <mrpackethead> that game is boring
May 31 05:34:10 <mrpackethead> how about indentifying which one is useless.
May 31 05:34:35 <av500> Humpelstilzchen: is that all you have?
May 31 05:34:39 <Humpelstilzchen> av500: not mine
May 31 05:34:42 <av500> ah
May 31 05:34:42 <mrpackethead> lame:
May 31 05:35:25 <dgriffi> mrpackethead: looking again at the photos and schematics, I see that an eeprom is mounted, but not the video stuff.  the eeprom is marked in the schems as "Do Not Install"
May 31 05:35:39 <dgriffi> mrpackethead: have you any idea what that eeprom is supposed to be used for?
May 31 05:35:56 <mrpackethead> yes.
May 31 05:37:31 <dgriffi> mrpackethead: what would that be
May 31 05:37:32 <dgriffi> ?
May 31 05:37:49 <mrpackethead> the eeproms are to indentify the cape
May 31 05:38:18 <dgriffi> ah, so it is required, no matter what?
May 31 05:39:02 <emeb_mac> dgriffi: nah - capes work fine w/o the eeprom programmed, but you need to do the I/O setup somehow
May 31 05:39:49 <emeb_mac> eg - the BCC board hasn't gotten an official eeprom setup yet, but it works fine if the kernel is configured correctly to allow SPI access.
May 31 05:41:05 <dgriffi> emeb_mac: so the eeprom can initially be blank?  and then save stuff to it from the OS?
May 31 05:41:21 <emeb_mac> dgriffi: absolutely
May 31 05:41:26 <dgriffi> okay
May 31 05:41:38 * dgriffi is getting a clearer idea on how to proceed now
May 31 05:45:38 <dgriffi> how do I ensure that additional boards added to the stack won't conflict with my board?
May 31 05:56:56 <mastiff> could the BCC be configured to have two BCCs cooperating and stacked on top of a BBB?
May 31 05:57:11 <m_billybob> heya mastiff
May 31 05:57:32 <mastiff> evening
May 31 05:57:34 <m_billybob> mastiff, hows you radio stuff coming along ?
May 31 05:57:37 <m_billybob> your*
May 31 05:58:39 <emeb_mac> mastiff: probably can't have multiple BCCs. The I2C port expander and SPI ports would have to be shared somehow and the current design doesn't do that easily.
May 31 05:58:41 <mastiff> i managed to put myself in a food coma for most of the day, ended up watching some Derek Molloy videos on youtuve
May 31 05:58:45 <dgriffi> BCC... I wonder if it has enough oomph to mine for bitcoins
May 31 05:59:04 <emeb_mac> dgriffi: doubt that BCC would be of any use for mining.
May 31 05:59:26 <mastiff> ok, I was wondering because I ordered two boards in case I F one up in assembly
May 31 05:59:34 <emeb_mac> my understanding is that effective mining in today's bitcoin environment requires really big iron.
May 31 05:59:42 <dgriffi> emeb_mac: just a though
May 31 05:59:58 <m_billybob> it'd do ok for what it is emeb_mac
May 31 06:00:01 <mastiff> that's my understang, I get served bitcoin FPGA mining ads on Zero Hedge
May 31 06:00:20 <mastiff> specs are much higher than a BBB and BCC
May 31 06:00:24 <emeb_mac> ya
May 31 06:00:25 <dgriffi> emeb_mac: actually, a relatively modest FPGA setup fares pretty well against GPU-based mining
May 31 06:00:28 <mastiff> purposebuilt desktop machines
May 31 06:00:39 <m_billybob> a very rough guess somewhere about 10MH/s
May 31 06:00:56 <m_billybob> how much memory does the spartan 3A have ?
May 31 06:01:18 <emeb_mac> not a whole lot - maybe 400kbits or so.
May 31 06:01:25 <m_billybob> 200k gates as i recall
May 31 06:01:50 <emeb_mac> that's the FPGA size
May 31 06:02:58 <m_billybob> some of the bigger FPGA that do around 94MH/s have like 128MB ram, and ram amount does seem to have an effect on hash rate
May 31 06:03:35 <m_billybob> there was an OSS project using different varients of spartan 6's
May 31 06:03:57 <emeb_mac> ah - well, the BCC hasn't got off-chip memory. There is another bone/fpga card that does have extra memory.
May 31 06:06:05 <m_billybob> http://www.ztex.de/usb-fpga-1/usb-fpga-1.15.e.html
May 31 06:06:13 <m_billybob> the LX150 is the one im thinking of
May 31 06:06:14 <mrpackethead> whats up folks
May 31 06:06:26 <mrpackethead> anyone else got their BCC cape pcbs
May 31 06:06:48 <mastiff> So it sounds like I need to get SPI setup on my BBB to get it ready for the BCC.  Is there an updated method for enabling SPI, or do the instructions for BBW also work for the black?
May 31 06:07:32 <mranostay> av500: 1 billion dollars
May 31 06:08:13 <mrpackethead> i was sniffing at the arm/fpgas that Xilix has
May 31 06:08:22 <mastiff> If you wanna get into bitcoin mining, buy someone's used setup on the cheap next time BTCs crash.
May 31 06:08:23 <mrpackethead> entry level ones are $100
May 31 06:08:27 <mastiff> It'll happen again.
May 31 06:08:30 <mrpackethead> the high end where $3k
May 31 06:08:53 <emeb_mac> mastiff: It's been a while since I set up my kernel for the BCC.
May 31 06:08:54 <mrpackethead> unless you can steal power and machiens.
May 31 06:08:58 <m_billybob> cost / payoff just isnt in it using FPGAs
May 31 06:09:00 <mrpackethead> why would you worry.
May 31 06:09:09 <emeb_mac> I'm given to understand that current kernels have that built in tho
May 31 06:09:15 <m_billybob> the spartan 6 LX150 costs like $175 usd
May 31 06:09:23 <m_billybob> just the chip
May 31 06:09:45 <m_billybob> for $175 USD you can buy a GPU that will do 3x as much
May 31 06:09:56 <mrpackethead> that little 3A is pretty handy
May 31 06:11:28 * m_billybob has been struggling with this dahm bluetooth dongle that doesnt seem to want to cooperate
May 31 06:11:28 <emeb_mac> I need to figure out how compatible the BCC is with BBB and the latest kernel.
May 31 06:12:12 <m_billybob> does the kernel need support for FPGA ?
May 31 06:12:25 * m_billybob doesnt even know
May 31 06:12:33 <m_billybob> i just figured it was merely a GPIO thing
May 31 06:13:00 <mastiff> that's what I had assumed since FPGAs are so configurable
May 31 06:13:08 <emeb_mac> m_billybob: just needs SPI0 enabled. I2C2 is already in place (for the cape eeprom)
May 31 06:14:52 <m_billybob> ah
May 31 06:14:59 <kelvinji> Does the BBB support usb flashing?
May 31 06:15:11 <emeb_mac> huh?
May 31 06:15:16 <m_billybob> kelvinji, acording to the TRM yes.
May 31 06:15:18 <kelvinji> I want to sync my SD card filesystem in to EMMC
May 31 06:15:29 <m_billybob> kelvinji, read page 4540 of teh TRM
May 31 06:15:48 <kelvinji> m_billybob: thanks :)
May 31 06:15:54 <m_billybob> supports PXE / bootp too for the purpose of flashing
May 31 06:16:08 <m_billybob> though im sure it could be used for more
May 31 06:16:56 <m_billybob> kelvinji, well more correctly it support ISB booting which then you can use that functionality to flash the emmc
May 31 06:17:05 <m_billybob> USB booting*
May 31 06:17:55 <kelvinji> Any guide for this?
May 31 06:18:40 <m_billybob> none that i know of. its fresh waters
May 31 06:19:13 <kelvinji> Thank you anyway.:)
May 31 06:19:21 <m_billybob> kelvinji, there are guides for installign debian from uSD onto the emmc but meh not sure that what you want
May 31 06:19:34 <kelvinji> http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-eMMC:
May 31 06:20:00 <kelvinji> I am trying this guide for flash SD card image into EMMC.
May 31 06:20:39 <m_billybob> yeah i used that guide myself but am runnign from sd currently
May 31 06:20:56 <kelvinji> Yes.Me too.
May 31 06:20:58 <m_billybob> i dotn want to commit to emmc just yet
May 31 06:21:26 <kelvinji> Another Question: How to make the ubuntu-arm auto login?
May 31 06:21:41 <m_billybob> no idea.
May 31 06:21:51 <m_billybob> im the last person to ask about ubuntu ;)
May 31 06:22:03 <kelvinji> HOHO :)
May 31 06:22:10 <m_billybob> strong dislike . ..
May 31 06:22:16 <kelvinji> That's okay.Thank you.
May 31 06:22:23 <m_billybob> np
May 31 06:23:55 <m_billybob> and just like that suddenly bluetooth just starts woring again
May 31 06:24:16 <m_billybob> guess i didnt have all the tools install ? but why would it work fine for an hour or so if not ?
May 31 06:24:19 * m_billybob shrugs
May 31 06:26:09 <dgriffi> oh joy! schmartboard QFN breakouts
May 31 06:27:30 <kelvinji> I do not have any capes now
May 31 06:30:45 <mastiff> 64pin QFN would be good.
May 31 06:31:01 <mastiff> Haven't seen breakouts for the 64pin
May 31 06:31:01 <mrpackethead> right what ups
May 31 06:31:33 <mrpackethead> or just learn to solder them by hand
May 31 06:32:39 <mastiff> Well the chip I wanna test is a 64pin VQFN so the contacts are underneath.
May 31 06:32:54 <mastiff> Plenty of other stuff to work on in the short term though.
May 31 06:34:12 <dgriffi> 64 pin VQFNs... good for combing lice out
May 31 06:37:20 <ka6sox> only the .5mm ones
May 31 06:37:38 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, Green and Yellow things showed up in my mailbox today.
May 31 06:37:43 <ka6sox> (er yesterday)
May 31 06:37:52 <mrpackethead> green and yello?
May 31 06:38:03 <mrpackethead> i though they were green.
May 31 06:38:28 <ka6sox> there are yellow bits sticking thru too.
May 31 06:38:42 <mrpackethead> thats the gold
May 31 06:38:53 <mrpackethead> not much gol
May 31 06:39:10 <mrpackethead> wonder how much gold is on them
May 31 06:39:22 <ka6sox> "plated"
May 31 06:39:34 <ka6sox> anyways..thanks and they arrived safewly
May 31 06:39:35 <mrpackethead> 1 atom thick
May 31 06:39:41 <ka6sox> maybe 2
May 31 06:39:50 <ka6sox> okay I am shattered...
May 31 06:40:05 <ka6sox> time for some sleep and a hope that there is no more wind for a LONG time.
May 31 06:40:12 <mrpackethead> theres 7 boards or so left
May 31 06:44:58 <av500> mranostay: as expected
May 31 06:46:54 <Sy_> Good morning from wet and grey uk
May 31 06:46:59 <av500> same here
May 31 06:47:21 <Sy_> Not much of a summer so far
May 31 06:48:06 <ketas> Sy_: there is summer here at estonia at least
May 31 06:48:18 <ketas> Sy_: it's traveling summer
May 31 06:49:12 <Sy_> can you share it? :)
May 31 06:50:20 <ketas> it only just came here
May 31 06:52:11 <Sy_> Can anyone  help me to resolve an issue I'm having trying to build something on the BBB, I have downloaded the source and build files for corosync and pacemaker.  I want to enable High Availability and clustering between 2 BBB.  But corosync complains at the end No 'nss' found.
May 31 06:52:30 <Sy_> I've search around on google, but none of the posted items seem to resolve it.
May 31 06:52:30 <av500> missing libs
May 31 06:52:50 <av500> libnss?
May 31 06:52:56 <ketas> Sy_: http://shcp.si.pri.ee:2222/shcp?tab=temperatures
May 31 06:52:59 <Sy_> I've installed quite a few of the libs that I thought it could be, including the dev version.
May 31 06:53:08 <yogece> hi all
May 31 06:57:41 <kelvinji> I am using kernel 3.2 no support dtb. How to flash sd card to EMMC?
May 31 06:58:13 <kelvinji> My uEnv.txt setting may be wrong for EMMC booting.
May 31 07:56:05 <panto> morning
May 31 07:56:42 <panto> another day at the asylum
May 31 07:56:45 <panto> but at least it's friday
May 31 08:01:51 <RagBal> panto =)
May 31 08:02:03 <LetoThe2nd> \o/
May 31 08:03:25 <RagBal> Ugh, I can't get my Angstrom cloud9-gnome-image to work, it reports "Time out waiting for device dev-ttyGS0.device." "Dependency failed for Serial Getty on ttyGS0" anybody has a clue what to do?
May 31 08:17:03 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/ES0dKA
May 31 08:17:03 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 8feecc1 Koen Kooi: 3.8: refresh all patches to remove conflicts...
May 31 08:26:08 <m_billybob> heh just realized all this pain im having between two bluetooth devices is because both have the same mac. . .
May 31 08:28:53 <av500> +1
May 31 08:29:01 <av500> of course
May 31 08:29:09 <av500> they are from the same Chinese assembly line
May 31 08:29:16 <av500> who would ever buy two
May 31 08:29:29 <m_billybob> what ya want for $1.71 free shipping lol
May 31 08:29:52 <m_billybob> bet i can spoof the mac on the linux side though
May 31 08:29:56 <m_billybob> ( maybe )
May 31 08:30:14 <LetoThe2nd> basically you just paid shipping in headaches
May 31 08:30:27 <fiola> When hotplugging USB devices fails, found this info at eewiki:  cause it to rescan the bus with        cat /dev/bus/usb/001/001 > /dev/null
May 31 08:30:30 <fiola> Works!
May 31 08:30:56 <m_billybob> fiola you should really subscribe to emails from the group lol
May 31 08:31:07 <m_billybob> thats been all over the beagleboard groups now for over a week
May 31 08:31:17 <av500> yep, we abuse people on the ML too
May 31 08:32:12 <fiola> m_billybob: How's your Debian doing?  Think I'll try installing that on a card today
May 31 08:32:17 * m_billybob pokes fiola
May 31 08:32:45 <m_billybob> pretty good except bluetooth is totally screwed in more ways that one
May 31 08:32:55 <m_billybob> oneway it our fault
May 31 08:33:05 <m_billybob> other way debian team dropped the ball big time
May 31 08:33:25 <fiola> I'm getting myself decoupled from Google, and always hated the crappy Google groups anyway.  But yeah, plain email should be OK
May 31 08:33:28 <m_billybob> requires yo uto download packes that take up over 233MB space
May 31 08:33:41 <m_billybob> packages*
May 31 08:33:51 <fiola> Haha
May 31 08:34:01 <mrpackethead> what requires 244MB?
May 31 08:34:05 <m_billybob> think im going ot tell my buddy we're going to nix bluetooth
May 31 08:34:22 <m_billybob> mrpackethead apt -get install bluetooth
May 31 08:34:30 <m_billybob> have fun ;)
May 31 08:34:40 <mrpackethead> ahh, well, why do you want bluetooth
May 31 08:34:41 <mrpackethead> ?
May 31 08:34:57 <m_billybob> may not now
May 31 08:35:03 <m_billybob> could have been useful
May 31 08:35:51 <fiola> mrpackethead: Bluetooth would be useful for overcoming BBB's limited audio connectivity, send audio to A2DP gateway device.
May 31 08:36:19 <m_billybob> or to wireless control additional embedded devices
May 31 08:36:29 <mrpackethead> the audio thing
May 31 08:36:30 <mrpackethead> maybe
May 31 08:36:33 <m_billybob> e.g. msp430 or something
May 31 08:37:40 <fiola> I never listen to any media on my tablet directly, always get Android to send it to the A2DP gateway which is plugged into the house hifi system, so great quality.
May 31 08:37:46 <m_billybob> ah well im done screwing with it for now
May 31 08:38:10 <m_billybob> ill have to pick your brain over that sometime fiola
May 31 08:38:15 <av500> fiola: a2dp and great quality?
May 31 08:38:20 <av500> fiola: not with SBC
May 31 08:38:22 <m_billybob> i have like zero hands on with bluetooth
May 31 08:38:53 <fiola> av500: "great" compared to an tablet's crappy built in speaker .... which isn't a high bar :P
May 31 08:39:01 <av500> right
May 31 08:39:27 <m_billybob> yeah heh im not an audiophile. as long as it has bump im good
May 31 08:39:46 <m_billybob> well so long as teh stereo is actually stereo too ;)
May 31 08:40:21 * m_billybob thinks the audio out on his laptops soudns great
May 31 08:40:45 <fiola> Think A2DP gateways are always stereo.  At least mine is, and it only cost some 25 quid.
May 31 08:41:12 <kelvinji> How to set the pinmux for EMMC on BBB in kernel 3.2.42?
May 31 08:42:56 <koen> kelvinji: it's already set as part of the eMMC cape support
May 31 08:43:13 <koen> note that 3.2.42 is buggy when using both mmc controllers
May 31 08:43:26 <koen> "eat your data" type of buggy
May 31 08:43:34 <kelvinji> yes ...
May 31 08:43:46 <kelvinji> [  240.367156] INFO: task lsblk:2073 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
May 31 08:44:07 <kelvinji> i  got this error when i want to partion the EMMC
May 31 08:44:31 <kelvinji> Can't fix ?
May 31 08:44:58 <koen> not without serious work to the mmc driver
May 31 08:45:11 <kelvinji> OKay,Thanks
May 31 08:45:34 <kelvinji> May be i should change to kernel 3.8
May 31 08:45:40 <koen> you should
May 31 08:45:50 <kelvinji> 3.2 had too many problems
May 31 08:45:51 <av500> its a trap
May 31 08:45:57 <kelvinji> haha
May 31 08:46:09 <kelvinji> I am the one in trap.
May 31 08:47:04 <panto> I was told that 3.2 is a 'mature kernel'
May 31 08:47:08 <panto> how can there be problems?
May 31 08:49:06 <m_billybob> So like am i the only person here who eats terrible a lot because i dont want to take the time to cook a proper meal most of the time so i can hurry up and get back to my projects ?
May 31 08:49:27 * m_billybob just grabbed two hamber buns and ate the mwithout anything on them
May 31 08:49:36 <m_billybob> hambuger buns
May 31 08:49:47 <panto> m_billybob, I suggest a gf/wife that cooks
May 31 08:50:07 <panto> (which can understand your predicament about projects)
May 31 08:50:11 <ketas> they are too difficult to manage
May 31 08:50:20 <KotH> moin!
May 31 08:50:26 <m_billybob> ketas +1
May 31 08:50:27 <panto> hi KotH
May 31 08:50:28 <KotH> i hope i'm not too late for todays JIHAD?
May 31 08:50:38 <panto> JIHAD has been cancelled
May 31 08:50:41 <KotH> damn!
May 31 08:50:45 <ketas> i tried, seems like i'm too slow for people
May 31 08:50:47 <fiola> Don't need to cook to eat healthy.  Just peel a carrot and munch away on it while hacking :P
May 31 08:50:49 <panto> we have cookies though
May 31 08:51:29 <ketas> plus i concentrate on things enough that kids might die from neglect
May 31 08:51:42 <m_billybob> id never get anything done
May 31 08:51:46 <KotH> fiola: be carefull with carrots, they are addictive
May 31 08:51:47 <m_billybob> project wise
May 31 08:53:19 <fiola> m_billybob: Which image did you start your Debian/BBB from?
May 31 08:53:36 <m_billybob> ?
May 31 08:53:50 <m_billybob> just followed roberts directions
May 31 08:53:53 <ketas> i like carrots!
May 31 08:53:56 <m_billybob> 3.8.12
May 31 08:53:59 <m_billybob> err
May 31 08:54:01 * m_billybob looks
May 31 08:54:21 <m_billybob> Linux arm 3.8.13-bone18 #1 SMP Wed May 15 13:48:09 MST 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux
May 31 08:54:32 <m_billybob> pretty sure its still the same
May 31 08:54:48 <fiola> There's a hell of a lot on Robert's page, trying to narrow it down to latest advice, he's been improving it incrementally
May 31 08:54:53 <m_billybob> fiola though you do realize you'd be building uboot and the kernel from source right ?
May 31 08:55:02 <kfoltman> fiola: I think carrot + lead + flux might be a bad combo
May 31 08:55:10 <kfoltman> for eating at least
May 31 08:55:18 <ketas> ugh
May 31 08:55:21 <ketas> carrot with lead
May 31 08:55:26 <fiola> m_billybob: Used to doing everything from source, Gentoo person :P
May 31 08:55:37 <m_billybob> naw we like our carrots RoHS here
May 31 08:55:41 <fiola> Haha
May 31 08:55:43 <ketas> hahaha
May 31 08:56:02 <ketas> so, clean?
May 31 08:56:08 <kfoltman> m_billybob: "2 litres of carrots, unleaded"
May 31 08:56:09 <m_billybob> just carrot ;)
May 31 08:56:41 <m_billybob> should see my msp4300 reflow oven controller source code comments . . . I coded in a pizza profile lol
May 31 08:56:46 <ketas> yea, probably not good idea to eat while soldering
May 31 08:57:11 <m_billybob> "thats right ! leaded pizza all around!"
May 31 08:57:11 <ketas> m_billybob: so you can cook pizza also?
May 31 08:57:28 <m_billybob> no.
May 31 08:57:57 <m_billybob> just thought it might make someone laugh looking at the source
May 31 08:58:08 <m_billybob> well as if my coding was enough to induce laughter.
May 31 08:58:17 <ketas> write actual pizza code
May 31 08:58:17 <m_billybob> wasnt enough*
May 31 08:58:40 <Jaguar`> spaghetti code
May 31 08:58:42 <kfoltman> ketas: you need a good pick and place machine for that too?
May 31 08:58:51 <m_billybob> Jaguar` newp
May 31 08:58:57 <kfoltman> Jaguar`: hi
May 31 08:58:59 <m_billybob> Jaguar` C++ guy
May 31 08:59:01 <Jaguar`> pizza code :)
May 31 08:59:02 <m_billybob> <----
May 31 08:59:04 <Jaguar`> hi all
May 31 08:59:15 <Jaguar`> hi kfoltman
May 31 08:59:20 <fiola> kfoltman:  good idea, pick'n'place machine to feed you carrots :P
May 31 08:59:21 <m_billybob> closer to lasaugnia code :P
May 31 08:59:31 <m_billybob> "layers"
May 31 08:59:35 <KotH> Jaguar`: for real spaghetti code, you need line numbers as in original basic
May 31 08:59:38 <Jaguar`> eat to live, not live to eat
May 31 08:59:48 <KotH> Jaguar`: eat to enjoy life
May 31 09:00:08 <KotH> m_billybob: lasagne
May 31 09:00:11 * m_billybob hides his goto's
May 31 09:00:16 <KotH> m_billybob: know your foreign words ;)
May 31 09:00:37 <Jaguar`> nothing wrong with goto!
May 31 09:00:40 <m_billybob> gosub go !
May 31 09:00:43 <kfoltman> Jaguar`: I've started 'getting into' kicad on Saturday (I think), and sent a test order to seeedstudio the same day ;) nice one (but I forgot to include the soldermask, so I had to spent another evening - still, first time I ever tried actually having a pcb made)
May 31 09:00:58 <Jaguar`> good stuff!
May 31 09:01:06 <Jaguar`> told you its a good package
May 31 09:01:14 <m_billybob> Jaguar`, personally i avoid goto's and switch statements when at all possible
May 31 09:01:22 <Jaguar`> i spent all day at work fighting altium
May 31 09:01:35 <KotH> apropos kicad...
May 31 09:01:46 <m_billybob> ive only seeen one use for a goto that possibly couldnt be done some other way
May 31 09:01:53 <KotH> is there any good and up to date introduction to geda out there?
May 31 09:01:54 <m_billybob> printf()
May 31 09:01:55 <Jaguar`> kernel drivers use goto a lot
May 31 09:02:11 <kfoltman> fiola: :)
May 31 09:02:12 <Jaguar`> to unwind allocs on failure
May 31 09:02:28 <m_billybob> ah well im stil new to linux dev
May 31 09:02:31 <KotH> Jaguar`: that still can be done another way, it just looks more ugly :)
May 31 09:02:36 <Jaguar`> yeah
May 31 09:03:02 <m_billybob> could always just use some inline asm, and use even more goto's ;)
May 31 09:03:16 <ketas> how maybe layers does your printed pizza contain
May 31 09:03:18 <Jaguar`> true, but every driver ive seen uses goto :)
May 31 09:03:23 <ketas> err
May 31 09:03:25 <Jaguar`> although i haven't seen that many
May 31 09:03:29 <ketas> s/maybe/many/
May 31 09:03:36 <ketas> i might go to bed?
May 31 09:03:41 <ketas> i feel ill
May 31 09:03:51 <ketas> weird typos
May 31 09:03:51 <KotH> ketas: go jogging
May 31 09:04:03 <ketas> well, i feels like fever
May 31 09:04:07 <ketas> so maybe not good idea
May 31 09:04:09 <m_billybob> high impact exercise !
May 31 09:04:14 <ketas> s/i/it/
May 31 09:04:18 <manickam> hi friends
May 31 09:05:18 * m_billybob was considering turnin one of his msp430 launchpads into a bbb serial debug device
May 31 09:05:36 <manickam> i try to change the kernel in devkit8000 but the lcd is not working please help me
May 31 09:05:58 <KotH> ketas: you're definitly not swiss
May 31 09:06:34 <jackmitchell> Jaguar`: goto is being phased out a little bit with the new devm_* functions
May 31 09:06:47 <jackmitchell> quite often you can get away without it now, as long as you don't do much allocing
May 31 09:07:12 <ketas> KotH: right
May 31 09:07:56 <Jaguar`> ah ok
May 31 09:07:56 <m_billybob> could always replace with try catch throw ;)
May 31 09:08:00 * m_billybob ducks for cover
May 31 09:08:27 <ketas> billy boy
May 31 09:08:44 <m_billybob> yeah im a C++ weenie
May 31 09:09:08 <av500> manickam: then dont change it
May 31 09:09:08 <KotH> ketas: a swiss wouldnt skip work/school just because of a mere cold
May 31 09:09:10 <KotH> ;)
May 31 09:09:41 <m_billybob> KotH flu / fever != cold :P
May 31 09:09:59 <KotH> m_billybob: flu != cold, yes, fever not necessarily
May 31 09:10:12 <KotH> m_billybob: fever might be a reason to go home earlier :)
May 31 09:10:21 <m_billybob> i get either of those F's and im done for until its gone
May 31 09:10:54 <m_billybob> thankfuly i dont get eithre very often
May 31 09:11:12 <ketas> more F-words
May 31 09:11:24 <manickam> av500: when i try to run qt application the keyboard is not working in the application so i try to change the kernel
May 31 09:11:27 <KotH> m_billybob: eh..
May 31 09:11:37 <KotH> m_billybob: if we would do that here, people would be missing half of the time
May 31 09:11:51 <av500> manickam: right
May 31 09:12:03 <av500> when my car lights dont work, I replace the engine too
May 31 09:12:07 <KotH> m_billybob: people catch here a cold somehwere in oct/nov, dec at latest... and struggle with it until spring starts
May 31 09:12:08 <jackmitchell> manickam: I doubt the kernel would stop a QT keyboard application from working
May 31 09:12:14 <KotH> m_billybob: and spring hasn't started yet in .ch ^^'
May 31 09:12:28 <ketas> av500: hahaha
May 31 09:12:33 <jackmitchell> manickam: does the keyboard work everywhere else?
May 31 09:12:33 <m_billybob> KotH i get colds all the time during winter sometimes they slow me down , but nothing like a flu or fever
May 31 09:12:40 <fiola> jackmitchell: sounds like that's a feature that needs adding :P
May 31 09:12:52 <ketas> well, what is "cold" anyway?
May 31 09:12:54 <ketas> then
May 31 09:12:55 <m_billybob> flu / fever comes maybe once every 5 years for me
May 31 09:13:23 <ketas> sore throat and leaky nose?
May 31 09:13:42 <m_billybob> its Arid here sore throat is almost a daily occurance
May 31 09:13:46 <Jaguar`> flu = near death experience
May 31 09:13:57 <ketas> ffs, it's +22.2'C outside... and i'm sick
May 31 09:14:03 <KotH> m_billybob: ok...
May 31 09:14:10 <ketas> Jaguar`: eh?
May 31 09:14:26 <fiola> Cold / flu / sore throat / leaky nose all mean you mix with other humans too much, bad for you. :P
May 31 09:14:42 <manickam> jackmitchell: keyboard is working in the console but when i try to run the keyboard not responding i can't enable number lock also after close the application keyboard is working
May 31 09:14:46 <ketas> fiola: or maybe too less?
May 31 09:15:03 <av500> manickam: so why change the kernel?
May 31 09:15:12 <jackmitchell> manickam: I am almost certain that is an application problem, not a kernel problem
May 31 09:15:13 <av500> if the keyboard is clearly working
May 31 09:15:16 <m_billybob> fiola, oh yeah dont forget to set yourself up with a nfs share on your bb for testing ;)
May 31 09:15:20 <ketas> fiola: my human encounters are x per month
May 31 09:15:21 <Jaguar`> a bad flu will make you feel like you're almost dying, no ability to move, delerious, etc
May 31 09:15:21 <m_billybob> save your sd :)
May 31 09:15:48 <Jaguar`> and a really bad flu will kill millions of people
May 31 09:16:01 <ketas> bird one?
May 31 09:16:10 <Jaguar`> spanish one
May 31 09:16:11 <av500> monkey
May 31 09:16:29 <KotH> Jaguar`: thanks to antibiotika this threat is mostly gone
May 31 09:16:32 <manickam> av500: when i connect the keyboard i got two event in the /dev/input/ so i thought the may have problem
May 31 09:16:42 <KotH> Jaguar`: thanks to antibiotika resistant strains it will come again ^^'
May 31 09:16:43 <av500> ?
May 31 09:16:47 <Jaguar`> antibiotics?
May 31 09:16:51 <Jaguar`> are useless against the flu
May 31 09:16:59 <av500> aspirin ftw
May 31 09:17:03 <fiola> m_billybob: I run NFS a lot here, used it for the Pi too.  SD cards are no place for intensive work.
May 31 09:17:06 <av500> and prozac
May 31 09:17:16 <KotH> Jaguar`: nope, not entirely
May 31 09:17:24 <Jaguar`> only help with secondary infections
May 31 09:17:30 <Jaguar`> pneumonia etc
May 31 09:17:39 <m_billybob> fiola, kind of strange seeing a 76GB /home on the bbb hehehe
May 31 09:17:45 <fiola> ehe
May 31 09:17:51 <ketas> m_billybob: disk?
May 31 09:17:52 <KotH> Jaguar`: even with a flue, you give antiobiotics in severe cases, to free up the imune systems resources from fighting bacteria
May 31 09:17:57 <KotH> Jaguar`: helps surprisingly well
May 31 09:18:07 <m_billybob> ketas nfs share from my debian cross dev system
May 31 09:18:11 <ketas> ah
May 31 09:18:16 <Jaguar`> probably a big placebo effect there too
May 31 09:18:18 <ketas> m_billybob: seems slow!
May 31 09:18:21 <fiola> Root on NFS would be even better, but not done that yet.
May 31 09:18:28 <m_billybob> naw its only being read from mostly
May 31 09:18:29 <KotH> Jaguar`: most likely :)
May 31 09:18:34 <Jaguar`> :)
May 31 09:18:41 <manickam> please go through this site http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8214585/qt-embedded-4-7-4-unable-to-manage-usb-keyboard-using-tty
May 31 09:18:42 <m_billybob> fiola its possible though
May 31 09:19:19 <m_billybob> rip out that 10/100 setof magnetics and drop in some GbE goodness ;)
May 31 09:19:33 <ketas> maybe two?
May 31 09:19:34 <Jaguar`> grr, trying to get linux and contiki to talk via 6lowpan
May 31 09:19:38 <Jaguar`> not fun
May 31 09:19:47 <ketas> m_billybob: i read that it's two-port interface?
May 31 09:19:54 <m_billybob> not sure
May 31 09:20:08 <manickam> av500: when i connect the keyboard i got two event in the /dev/input/ so i thought the problem in kernel
May 31 09:20:12 <m_billybob> I wouldnt want to replace the jack im just talking sheep dip
May 31 09:20:19 <fiola> Yeah, looking forward to the first BB* with gig ether, that will be awesome.  If CircuitCo doesn't do it, someone else will.  Open hardware after all.
May 31 09:20:37 <av500> manickam: I dont see why
May 31 09:20:43 <av500> the keyboard works
May 31 09:20:49 <av500> you get events
May 31 09:20:57 <av500> kernel is doing what it should
May 31 09:21:00 <m_billybob> fiola, TI has a dual GbE interface sitar dev kit if you cant wait ;)
May 31 09:21:08 <m_billybob> sitara dev kit*
May 31 09:21:25 <kelvinji> In kernel 3.2 , how to control the reset pin of EMMC?
May 31 09:21:28 <m_billybob> for the low low price of $200 ( last i checked )
May 31 09:21:35 <manickam> av500: i can't get you
May 31 09:22:01 <fiola> m_billybob: I'll wait.  My main interest is in playing with the PRUs, all this is just prep work that needs doing.
May 31 09:22:05 <manickam> please go through this site http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8214585/qt-embedded-4-7-4-unable-to-manage-usb-keyboard-using-tty
May 31 09:22:18 <manickam> i have same problem
May 31 09:22:23 <kelvinji> In kernel 3.8 , i did not understand the dts well,,,
May 31 09:23:29 <panto> speaking of which, I think it's time to put the doc in elinux.org/beagleboard.org at least
May 31 09:23:42 <panto> any objections or additions?
May 31 09:23:46 <koen> kelvinji: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit?hl=en&forcehl=1#heading=h.j4ega7pcz5c
May 31 09:23:58 <koen> panto: don't forget to mail the link to the list
May 31 09:24:19 <m_billybob> any revision in the last couple days ?
May 31 09:24:20 <kelvinji> koen : thanks.
May 31 09:25:20 <ketas> aether
May 31 09:26:26 <m_billybob> love the last two lines of that book lol
May 31 09:26:38 <m_billybob> Q: I still hate Device Tree!!! A: Sorry, we cannot help you
May 31 09:26:57 <ketas> blow it to bits
May 31 09:27:22 <m_billybob> or just burn the heritics at the stake
May 31 09:30:03 * m_billybob googles "howto spoof bluetooth mac addresses
May 31 09:30:42 <kelvinji> gpios = <&gpio2 20 0x00>   mean  set gpio2_20 to low?
May 31 09:30:51 <cyanide> I am using Beaglebone Black and wanted to get access to UART0, UART1 and UART2. Kindly guide me
May 31 09:31:12 <panto> kelvinji, it depends on the driver
May 31 09:31:28 <panto> it does reference the gpio but what it does is depended on the driver
May 31 09:31:33 <panto> cyanide, https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/pub
May 31 09:31:37 <KotH> panto: thanks dude!
May 31 09:31:42 <panto> UART0 is already working
May 31 09:31:54 <panto> echo BB-UART1 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots
May 31 09:31:56 <kelvinji> panto: thanks
May 31 09:31:57 <panto> enables UART1
May 31 09:31:58 <panto> etc
May 31 09:32:25 <KotH> panto: do i get a printed and signed version?
May 31 09:32:26 <panto> I'm also working on an GPIO helper
May 31 09:32:41 <panto> KotH, sure
May 31 09:32:47 <panto> I can dedicate it to JIHAD too
May 31 09:32:55 <KotH> panto: please do!
May 31 09:33:11 * panto hears knocking on the door...
May 31 09:33:17 <panto> "who is it?"
May 31 09:33:28 <panto> "$THREE_LETTER_AGENCY open up!"
May 31 09:33:36 <ketas> jihafdt
May 31 09:34:14 <ketas> mm
May 31 09:34:25 <manickam> please any one help me
May 31 09:34:27 <cyanide> thanks panto... will check it out...
May 31 09:34:34 <ketas> so if i want to use all pins, emmc must be not used?
May 31 09:34:37 <ketas> hm
May 31 09:45:08 <RagBal> Ugh, I can't get my Angstrom cloud9-gnome-image to work, it reports "Time out waiting for device dev-ttyGS0.device." "Dependency failed for Serial Getty on ttyGS0" anybody has a clue what to do?
May 31 09:45:57 <panto> it's the gadget serial port
May 31 09:46:20 <panto> is the bone connected to a PC via the usb device port?
May 31 09:46:33 <manickam> usb keyboard not working when run the qt application on devkit8000
May 31 09:47:21 <panto> manickam, err, what does #beagle has to do with devkit?
May 31 09:48:36 <KotH> panto: what does #beagle have to do with guns, chocolate, lennartware, education, .... ?
May 31 09:48:50 <KotH> ;)
May 31 09:49:28 <manickam> panto: i can't get you
May 31 09:50:00 <_Sy_> :)
May 31 09:50:10 <KotH> manickam: he is saying that you are in the wrong channel asking the wrong questions
May 31 09:50:20 <m_billybob> thats because panto is ninja
May 31 09:50:26 <m_billybob> you cant get what you cant see
May 31 09:50:47 * KotH pokes av500
May 31 09:51:01 <KotH> av500: you havent officially announced friday, yet
May 31 09:51:31 <av500> consider it done
May 31 09:51:37 <_Sy_> Will be trying again tonight to resolve nss errors on corosync build....fingers crossed
May 31 09:51:44 <manickam> do you have any idea about devkit8000 channel
May 31 09:51:52 <av500> there is none
May 31 09:51:54 <jackmitchell> manickam: I think you want to try the QT channel
May 31 09:52:24 <jackmitchell> manickam: you're not having a hardware problem, but a software problem
May 31 09:52:37 <manickam> now i  am in qt chennal also
May 31 09:53:24 <jackmitchell> manickam: if you can share your code with the *qt* channel, people will be more likely to help you then
May 31 09:53:45 <panto> manickam, if the kernel creates the device and you get events the issue must be one of QT configuration
May 31 09:53:56 <panto> try the QT channel, or the one that sold you the board
May 31 09:54:17 <manickam> jackmitchell: thank you i will try
May 31 09:54:30 <manickam> panto: thank you
May 31 09:57:02 <av500> I see a market for a DK8000000000000 support porject on kickstarter
May 31 09:57:04 * KotH gives out a pack of swiss chocolate
May 31 09:57:17 <KotH> av500: do it!
May 31 09:57:22 <av500> cant
May 31 09:57:24 <panto> av500, need more arduino
May 31 09:57:28 <KotH> av500: and when you turn rich, invite us for dinner
May 31 09:57:30 <panto> *needs
May 31 09:57:31 <av500> only US based scammers can do kickstarter
May 31 09:57:50 <panto> that is unfair to the scammers living elsewhere
May 31 09:57:55 <panto> there's a scammer gap
May 31 09:58:31 <av500> yes
May 31 09:58:46 <panto> we should ask for EU support funds
May 31 09:59:02 <panto> just like what the failed semiconductor EU industry did
May 31 09:59:11 <av500> yes
May 31 09:59:17 <av500> we want to be scammed by EU people
May 31 09:59:20 <av500> not just by US
May 31 09:59:25 <panto> get on it
May 31 09:59:32 <SpeedEvil> in the UK, kick starter funds can be an issue.
May 31 09:59:41 <panto> dey took ur scams
May 31 09:59:45 <SpeedEvil> you need to pay quite a lot of tax up front
May 31 09:59:46 <_Sy_> Got Arduino gathering dust in the carboard...
May 31 09:59:59 <_Sy_> And various PIC dev kits....
May 31 10:00:00 <SpeedEvil> on the funds you raised
May 31 10:00:39 <_Sy_> BTW....going back to a conversation on the C64 the other night....do any of you remember Jeff Minter ?
May 31 10:00:45 <panto> Miner
May 31 10:01:07 <panto> err, yes, minter
May 31 10:01:13 <panto> yeah, I do
May 31 10:01:51 <av500> Jay miner
May 31 10:02:11 <_Sy_> Lama mad, now works for Atari....and the Yak Society, hackers / crackers group on the C64, run by Aaron Liddiment, whom I use to work with and know very well.
May 31 10:02:15 <av500> last week I found a plus4
May 31 10:02:18 <av500> in my stuff
May 31 10:03:10 <panto> oh man, I get the nostalgia part, but still banging on the C64?
May 31 10:03:15 <panto> you should get in touch with mdp
May 31 10:03:23 <panto> he's all 6502 mad
May 31 10:03:49 <_Sy_> 6502 was fun, did a bit of z80, thats not nice, but both are infinately better than 8086.
May 31 10:04:07 * panto stares angrily at mranostay who sold out
May 31 10:04:17 <KotH> panto: the 6502 is cool! you can have a look at it under the microscope and watch the electrons flow from gate to gate :)
May 31 10:04:21 <jackmitchell> isn't indiegogo the place to be for al !US scammers?
May 31 10:04:24 <panto> lol
May 31 10:04:41 <av500> KotH: you can also put your ear close and hear the gates switch
May 31 10:04:51 <_Sy_> 6502 is almost risc, X, Y registers and accumulator, thats it
May 31 10:04:57 <RagBal> panto, sorry I was afk for a sec, the bbb is connected to the pc via USB yes
May 31 10:05:13 <RagBal> But I see the BBB is booted now, it took a pretty long time
May 31 10:05:16 <panto> can you power off the dc barrel jack?
May 31 10:05:51 <RagBal> I'm powering it via USB
May 31 10:06:22 <panto> _Sy_, http://elceurope2012.sched.org/event/99b6e59e1479e0d79f5b6919d1897ecf
May 31 10:07:02 <KotH> _Sy_: uhmm.. having very few registers is usually a sign of having a CISC architecture
May 31 10:07:17 <_Sy_> Thats incredible, can you still buy 6502's?
May 31 10:07:18 <mru> s/cisc/crap/
May 31 10:07:25 <mru> _Sy_: of course
May 31 10:07:44 <panto> they still make brand new ones
May 31 10:07:48 <av500> _Sy_: yes
May 31 10:07:51 <panto> old software never dies afterall
May 31 10:07:52 <KotH> mru: that too :)
May 31 10:08:27 <_Sy_> Didn't realise....Was pleasantly suprised to find them in use when I started college in the late 80's, emma boards.
May 31 10:08:35 <KotH> panto: i dont know whether it is still the case, but at least until 10y ago, the departure panel at the main train station in zürich was controlled by a c64 :)
May 31 10:08:51 <_Sy_> There was talk about bringing back the C64 as a home computer.
May 31 10:08:52 <av500> KotH: Micronas was the king in analog TV chipsets
May 31 10:08:56 <KotH> panto: it made it to the news, because the c64 broke down and they were looking for a replacement :)
May 31 10:09:00 <av500> they had 6502 as the UI controllers
May 31 10:09:07 <panto> KotH, who knows, maybe the swiss can turn C64 hacking into a cottage industry
May 31 10:09:07 <av500> I aksed them why
May 31 10:09:23 <av500> they said basically it was the large volume of existing code they and customers had
May 31 10:09:29 <panto> it's not all that different than obsolete mechanical watches
May 31 10:09:42 <KotH> av500: eh...
May 31 10:09:48 <mru> panto: you said that just to troll our swiss friend, right?
May 31 10:09:53 <KotH> panto: mechanical watches are great!
May 31 10:09:54 <av500> then came digital TVs and they lost that market
May 31 10:10:14 <av500> KotH: agree, got on in an app on my iphone
May 31 10:10:17 <av500> one*
May 31 10:10:18 <KotH> mru: and he is successfull at that :)
May 31 10:10:36 <mru> mechanical watches are indeed great
May 31 10:10:38 <mru> I should get one
May 31 10:11:03 <_Sy_> I knew several people who became millionaires after writing just one successful game on the C64....then all the big companies went around buying everything up..
May 31 10:11:30 <mru> millionaire in what currency?
May 31 10:11:35 <panto> KotH, the C64 is great too
May 31 10:11:37 <panto> and obsolete
May 31 10:11:48 <av500> so, who wants my plus4?
May 31 10:13:37 <_Sy_> I also had an amiga 1200 at one time, but couldn't get into it.
May 31 10:14:09 <_Sy_> had discovered girls by then, focus all screwed up :)
May 31 10:14:31 <mru> girls are way more fun than amiga
May 31 10:14:32 <av500> there were girls on the amiga?
May 31 10:15:42 <_Sy_> Spent months writing a game on the C64, got a girlfirend and stopped development....regretted it every since.
May 31 10:17:07 <panto> she didn't put out?
May 31 10:17:35 <_Sy_> :)
May 31 10:17:42 <mru> KotH: you wanted friday: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9DAs1yPMl5o/Uah1P4BkvwI/AAAAAAAAEiU/AAid-9IQeRI/s0/
May 31 10:17:46 <panto> (apologies to any females in this channel, but let's face it, hacking and electronics have an awful few of you)
May 31 10:17:56 <dm8tbr> av500: GirlsInFiles
May 31 10:18:30 <av500> mru: +1
May 31 10:19:14 <mru> found that one in berlin too
May 31 10:19:50 <av500> I should kang it
May 31 10:25:56 <_Sy_> I gather from last night that there is an issue with SD cards at the moment, so is it currently possible to boot from eMMC and use SD card for external data storage ?
May 31 10:26:29 <panto> yes
May 31 10:26:36 <panto> there's no hotplug detection
May 31 10:26:51 <backjlack> I've just received my beaglebone black, yeah!
May 31 10:27:10 <backjlack> It's much better than the RPi because the ports aren't spread out on all sides.
May 31 10:27:30 <mru> it gets better
May 31 10:27:33 <mru> it actually works
May 31 10:27:36 <backjlack> yeah
May 31 10:27:49 <_Sy_> Just be careful when updating the packages
May 31 10:28:11 <backjlack> It gets even better: it doesn't have the ethernet on the USB bus (afaik).
May 31 10:28:29 <mru> yep
May 31 10:29:12 <backjlack> I intend to make it run the OS off a microSD card, so I don't plan on touching the internal NAND at all.
May 31 10:31:19 <panto> backjlack, it's nand, but it should be more reliable than the mmc card
May 31 10:31:24 <panto> it's faster to boot
May 31 10:31:48 <backjlack> panto: I agree with you, but I have absolutely no way of replacing it.
May 31 10:32:15 <av500> backjlack: wise decision
May 31 10:32:34 <backjlack> I've had to pay 67 euros for it with taxes and shipping, so I'm not going to touch the NAND at all.
May 31 10:32:52 <backjlack> I can get microSD cards for 4-5 euros.
May 31 10:34:27 <panto> note that due to a ROM issue, if you have a valid MLO in the emmc partition it will boot off of it first
May 31 10:34:50 <panto> so if you don't want to touch the emmc, remove the MLO file
May 31 10:35:08 <backjlack> How can I do that?
May 31 10:35:33 <kfoltman> panto: removing the MLO file without touching the emmc? (-:
May 31 10:35:42 <panto> kfoltman, hehe
May 31 10:35:56 <panto> no, you can force boot from mmc if you hold the boot button
May 31 10:36:19 <backjlack> I'm sorry I'm asking simple questions, but I'm used to how the RPi does it - everything is loaded from the SD card by default.
May 31 10:36:23 <panto> and then mount /dev/mmcblock0p1 /media/cf && rm /media/cf/MLO
May 31 10:36:24 <dm8tbr> just rename it to NLO
May 31 10:36:33 <panto> make sure the mmcblock0p1 is correct
May 31 10:36:49 <backjlack> Renaming it sounds better.
May 31 10:36:49 <panto> I can't remember which is the correct mount of the top of my head
May 31 10:39:37 <av500> dm8tbr: rename to ELO
May 31 10:39:57 <dm8tbr> av500: that _sounds_ good
May 31 10:41:05 <panto> mv /media/cf/MLO /media/cf/Alan_Parsons_Project
May 31 10:42:35 <av500> dm8tbr: cat MLO > /dev/midi
May 31 10:43:01 <panto> av500, I thought we weren't going to talk about dubstep
May 31 10:43:13 <av500> oh I missed that one, what is dubstep?
May 31 10:43:39 <av500> after acid I stopped following music trends
May 31 10:43:51 <mru> +1
May 31 10:45:09 <backjlack> Is there any ARM board with ECC RAM memory?
May 31 10:45:32 <av500> maybe these newfangled server one
May 31 10:45:34 <av500> ones
May 31 10:45:54 <dm8tbr> but that stuff is still quite uncommon and thus likely expensive
May 31 10:46:24 <av500> I guess you dont need ECC in a shared-nothing cluster
May 31 10:46:39 <backjlack> The calxeda ones? You have to pay 20000 USD to get some of those. You'll get a server with 16 boards for that money, afaik.
May 31 10:46:47 <av500> no idea
May 31 10:47:14 <av500> I guess ECC on arm works like ECC on x86
May 31 10:48:00 <dm8tbr> one could always dumpster dive hp ;)
May 31 10:48:20 <dm8tbr> I think they tossed the ARM part of moonshot
May 31 10:49:13 <backjlack> It had 0 savings over x86.
May 31 10:49:53 <panto> ARM is a tough sell for servers
May 31 10:50:28 <dm8tbr> still better than linux on DSPs IMO
May 31 10:50:29 <av500> panto: oh, please tell redhat :)
May 31 10:50:47 <panto> dm8tbr, hehe
May 31 10:51:07 <mru> dm8tbr: linux on dsp is _sometimes_ convenient during development
May 31 10:51:08 <backjlack> It would be interesting to read the results of a study on how non-ECC ARM boards with a single RAM chip are affected by the lack of ECC.
May 31 10:51:27 <mru> same as any non-ecc system
May 31 10:51:58 <backjlack> Yes, but when you have a lot of chips, you're playing the lottery with more tickets.
May 31 10:52:48 <mru> the total error rate obviously increases if you add more memory
May 31 10:53:44 <kfoltman> linux on DSPs? wtf?
May 31 10:53:49 <kfoltman> how do you even do that?
May 31 10:53:53 <av500> easy
May 31 10:53:57 <av500> you port it
May 31 10:54:03 <mru> I disagree about the 'easy' part
May 31 10:54:11 <SpeedEvil> DSPs are generally Turing complete
May 31 10:54:15 <kfoltman> do DSPs even have a MPU?
May 31 10:54:15 <mru> but it's still convenient at times
May 31 10:54:16 <Humpelstilzchen> run a Soft Processor on the DSP? :)
May 31 10:54:21 <mru> kfoltman: some do
May 31 10:54:51 <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: sure, but so is brainfuck
May 31 10:54:58 <mru> having all the networking stuff readily available is a boon when hacking on code
May 31 10:55:13 <mru> running off nfs can be a huge timesaver
May 31 10:55:39 <mru> of course you'd be mad to put linux/dsp into a production system
May 31 10:55:51 <kfoltman> mru: why not just copy the new version of the code from an mcu?
May 31 10:56:06 <mru> huh?
May 31 10:56:19 <av500> kfoltman: there are DSP only systems
May 31 10:56:24 <av500> no mcu
May 31 10:56:31 * mru has some on his desk
May 31 10:56:53 <av500> dito
May 31 10:56:53 <panto> dsps are supposed to be used like peripherals
May 31 10:56:57 <WA2EIN> anybody using the 05.24 distribution of Angstrom?
May 31 10:57:01 <av500> supposed by who?
May 31 10:57:07 <av500> the international DSP treaty?
May 31 10:57:13 <panto> sane people?
May 31 10:57:16 <kfoltman> av500, mru: how is that compatible with any human rights conventions?!
May 31 10:57:29 <av500> its tolerated
May 31 10:57:34 <av500> dont ask dont tell
May 31 10:57:38 <kfoltman> like waterboarding, I guess
May 31 10:57:43 <kfoltman> thank you George.
May 31 10:57:47 <panto> trying to run a general purpose os on it results in a dsp that doesn't do dsp well, nor does general purpose os well either
May 31 10:57:53 <mru> panto: dsp-only systems are the only ones I've managed to do _anything_ with
May 31 10:58:26 <mru> because TI makes your "dsp as peripheral" notion REALLY FUCKING COMPLEX
May 31 10:58:41 <panto> mru, +1
May 31 10:58:45 <panto> DSPBIOS?
May 31 10:58:47 <panto> lol
May 31 10:59:00 <mru> dspbios is probably ok for all I know
May 31 10:59:11 <panto> that's a failure of s/w support (again)
May 31 10:59:16 <mru> it's all those weird frameworks and meta-frameworks they insist on having on the arm side that bother me
May 31 10:59:25 <panto> they go hand in hand
May 31 10:59:25 <mru> xdais and whatnot
May 31 10:59:37 <av500> xdais is DSP side
May 31 10:59:40 <panto> all because they need to run the same dsp firmware for every other os
May 31 10:59:44 <mru> and the INSANE build systems that go with them
May 31 10:59:46 <panto> they interface with
May 31 10:59:56 <av500> xdais is one of the sane things
May 31 11:00:03 <mru> not the build system
May 31 11:00:09 <av500> right
May 31 11:42:46 <cyanide> how to disable terminal on UART0 and use it for raw serial communication ? What are the pinouts of the Beaglebone Black serial debug port...
May 31 11:42:48 <cyanide> ??
May 31 11:46:36 <dm8tbr> cyanide: you just disable the getty, I'd expect
May 31 11:46:59 <mru> and the kernel console
May 31 11:48:50 <dwery> m_billybob: where's that pizza code?
May 31 11:49:08 <cyanide> can you please tell me how to go about it ?? And the pin configuration of serial debug port of BB black.
May 31 11:50:10 <dm8tbr> cyanide: the pins should be described in the SRM
May 31 11:50:32 <dm8tbr> cyanide: and as we don't know which distribution you run it's hard to help you further than saying the above
May 31 11:51:24 <WA2EIN> can anyone walk me thru updating the image process.  I follow the instructions but end up  with USR1 & USR2 leds on solid and nothing more after a few minutes.
May 31 11:52:29 <cyanide> its using Angstrom linux distro
May 31 11:54:39 <dm8tbr> WA2EIN: running update on the device is not recommended. you'll probably need to reflash using a micro-sd card. latest images for that are on the webpage
May 31 11:54:59 <WA2EIN> I,m trying to flash the latest Angstrom dist 5.24
May 31 11:55:07 <dm8tbr> cyanide: kernel cmdline in uboot and getty somewhere in the systemd configs
May 31 11:55:31 <WA2EIN> im using micro SD with image on it
May 31 11:56:16 <WA2EIN> it looks like its reading from micro SD but then hangs after few min.
May 31 11:57:09 <dm8tbr> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
May 31 11:57:28 <WA2EIN> I boot from micro SD, with latest image, it hangs after few min.
May 31 11:57:40 <av500> it should not
May 31 11:57:52 <dwery> btw.. it would be fine to have a non-flashing image on that website :)
May 31 11:58:01 <WA2EIN> and that link always comes up with XML error
May 31 11:58:47 <dm8tbr> koen: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images BBB link b0rken?
May 31 11:58:47 <WA2EIN> how can u tell if its a flashing or non-flashing image.  The docs tell you there is a difference but dont tell you how u can tell
May 31 11:58:57 <WA2EIN> yes'
May 31 11:59:02 <WA2EIN> has been for 3 days
May 31 11:59:37 <dwery> WA2EIN: check for eMM-flasher in the name
May 31 11:59:44 <WA2EIN> TY
May 31 12:00:03 <koen> dm8tbr: dunno, beagleboard.org is a jkridner thing
May 31 12:00:08 <WA2EIN> if not a flasher image it should boot from SD, no ?????
May 31 12:00:16 <dm8tbr> ok
May 31 12:00:49 <av500> hopefulyl somebody will port ClockmodRecovery soon
May 31 12:01:04 <av500> so we can try cool ROMs
May 31 12:01:34 <koen> av500: did you register on the forum and agree to the private distribution terms?
May 31 12:02:52 <Turl> av500: ClockWorkMod* :p
May 31 12:03:04 <panto> ClockWorkBone?
May 31 12:05:57 <kfoltman> panto: sounds... not exactly comforting
May 31 12:06:30 <av500> koen: I will let you in on it
May 31 12:06:33 <av500> but hush hush
May 31 12:06:39 <av500> or we get kanged
May 31 12:12:42 <narcos> Any advice on starting a 3G USB modem connection on boot, and maintaining it?
May 31 12:13:30 <av500> forever?
May 31 12:13:51 <narcos> av500: Yes
May 31 12:14:06 <SpeedEvil> man pppf
May 31 12:14:10 <SpeedEvil> pppd
May 31 12:14:11 <kfoltman> av500: I don't think a modem connection may survive a thermal death of the universe
May 31 12:14:34 <av500> kfoltman: it would cause the thermal death of your bank account way before
May 31 12:14:57 <kfoltman> av500: solution: you need to make it Too Big To Fail
May 31 12:15:33 <dm8tbr> contact the magratheans, they might be able to help with such a big thing
May 31 12:16:04 <narcos> I'm using sakis3g at the moment, with a python wrapper, but it feels slugish
May 31 12:16:12 <narcos> Keeps disconnecting for some reason too
May 31 12:16:16 <narcos> Even with a powered hub
May 31 12:16:30 <av500> usb disconnects?
May 31 12:16:45 <dm8tbr> I'd expect connman to support 3g modems...
May 31 12:17:03 <narcos> av500: The ppp conn disconnects
May 31 12:17:27 <dm8tbr> does that happen when connected to a different linux system too?
May 31 12:17:33 <av500> yeah
May 31 12:17:48 <narcos> dm8tbr: Good Q, I haven't checked
May 31 12:18:06 <av500> run it for a few decades on your host PC
May 31 12:18:15 <av500> then we can see about BBB and forever
May 31 12:18:58 <av500> narcos: it might be you network kicking you out
May 31 12:20:18 <narcos> ?forever :)
May 31 12:25:27 <narcos> av500: Remember when I was here asking about the power splitter to plug in the bone and USB hub from one PSU - I don't suppose you still have the link that was pasted? I seem to have misplaced it
May 31 12:25:40 <av500> splitter?
May 31 12:25:59 <mru> barrel plug Y cable, I suppose
May 31 12:26:05 <av500> ah
May 31 12:26:36 <narcos> yes, that's the one, ta
May 31 12:26:50 <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=barrel+plug+splitter
May 31 12:26:55 <av500> or solder one
May 31 12:27:00 <narcos> Need to find one that'll fit my powered hub now
May 31 12:28:59 <KotH> walk into next electronic store
May 31 12:29:01 <KotH> buy one
May 31 12:29:02 <KotH> leave
May 31 12:29:03 <KotH> done
May 31 12:29:08 <KotH> send us swiss chocolate
May 31 12:29:18 <mru> and beer
May 31 12:29:22 <dwery> uh..nice splitters I see
May 31 12:29:28 <narcos> Some hookers with them too?
May 31 12:29:34 <KotH> yeah.. send mru my beer, and his chocolate to me
May 31 12:29:42 <KotH> no, we are not into blackjack
May 31 12:29:52 <narcos> KotH: I found a 4A PSU btw
May 31 12:29:52 <tsjsieb> not if they eat the chocolate and drink the beer!
May 31 12:37:06 <narcos> while [ 1 ]; do sudo sakis3g APN="internet" &> /var/log/sakis.log; sleep 60; done
May 31 12:37:24 <narcos> Let's try this instead of 100 lines of neat Python.
May 31 12:39:35 <mdp> panto, /lib/firmware/ is cluttered...bone dtbos really need to move to a sane directory like other firmware families
May 31 12:39:55 <mdp> /lib/firmware/beaglebone/
May 31 12:39:56 <panto> hum, yeah probably
May 31 12:40:14 <panto> perhaps even have to do per-base-board stuff
May 31 12:40:18 <mdp> it's the only firmware with that many files in the TLD
May 31 12:40:23 <panto> like /lib/firmware/beaglebone-common
May 31 12:40:32 <panto> /lib/firmware/beaglebone-black
May 31 12:40:33 <mdp> I don't care how it's organized underneath..just get them out ;)
May 31 12:40:35 <panto> /lib/firmware/beaglebone-white
May 31 12:40:55 <mdp> well, do it like a vendor directory..then subdir for black/white
May 31 12:41:12 <panto> ok, noted
May 31 12:41:21 <koen>  /lib/firmware/dtbo/
May 31 12:41:41 <mdp> yeah
May 31 12:41:56 <mdp> then black/white underneath that would be good
May 31 12:42:03 <koen> adding vendor or boardname is a recipe for disaster
May 31 12:42:06 <mdp> I'll file a bug for it ;)
May 31 12:42:15 <mdp> koen, I agree
May 31 12:42:23 <mdp> KISS
May 31 12:42:40 <koen> I still don't get what bugs.elinux.org is supposed to track
May 31 12:42:46 <koen> bugs in the schematics?
May 31 12:42:47 <panto> ok, we're going to handle the case where the same cape works on black as well as white
May 31 12:42:50 <koen> bugs in the gerbers?
May 31 12:42:52 <panto> but the dt could be different
May 31 12:42:53 <koen> bugs in assembly?
May 31 12:43:08 <panto> bugs in user houses
May 31 12:43:11 <panto> termites
May 31 12:43:24 <mru> break out the thermite
May 31 12:43:24 <av500> bugs in your juice
May 31 12:43:25 <mdp> koen, things we consider a bug/issue
May 31 12:43:50 <mdp> hence the name, "bugs"
May 31 12:45:37 <koen> there's https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/issues?state=open for kernel issues
May 31 12:45:56 <koen> and https://github.com/angstrom-distribution/meta-angstrom/issues for angstrom specific sw
May 31 12:46:24 <koen> and https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard/issues for BSP issues
May 31 12:46:54 <koen> and https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/ for most of the sw
May 31 12:47:11 <koen> is is bugs.elinux going to be used as triage area?
May 31 12:47:40 <mdp> you should talk to your coworker
May 31 12:49:10 <mdp> let me know when it's all worked out
May 31 12:50:05 <bradfa>  /whois panto
May 31 12:50:08 <bradfa> gah
May 31 12:50:18 <panto> bradfa, busted...
May 31 12:50:29 <mdp> stalker
May 31 12:50:38 <KotH> who'd stalk a greek?
May 31 12:50:38 <bradfa> panto, for gsoc, I'm asking for bbb, flyswatter, and stellaris launchpad
May 31 12:50:41 <bradfa> anything else we need?
May 31 12:51:01 <panto> sanity?
May 31 12:51:04 <KotH> money?
May 31 12:51:09 <bradfa> well, not sure TI has sanity
May 31 12:51:09 <KotH> chocolate?
May 31 12:51:13 <bradfa> ok, chocolate
May 31 12:51:16 <panto> beer?
May 31 12:51:34 <bradfa> customs will charge you for the beers, and put them in a nice box
May 31 12:51:37 <panto> T minus 4h for beer o'clock
May 31 12:51:38 <koen> metaxa?
May 31 12:51:54 <panto> koen, better when it's cold
May 31 12:52:13 <panto> now it's time either for beer, cocktails or ouzo
May 31 12:54:09 <mdp> the omap/dts/cpp series went from "meh" to awesome by v4...am33xx version will need pulled into the evil BBB kernel
May 31 12:55:01 <koen> I noticed a new patchset flying by
May 31 12:55:48 <panto> link?
May 31 12:55:53 <mdp> use of the common gpio namespace macro went away (we all rejoiced) and everything is neatly defined
May 31 12:56:02 <mdp> just like we want
May 31 12:56:09 <mdp> thank you, swarren
May 31 12:57:00 <narcos> I'm getting a boat load of these messages in my syslog:   May 31 12:56:38 arm kernel: [  625.513458] sr 2:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device
May 31 12:57:09 <koen> -				0x18c 0x30	/* i2c0_scl.i2c0_scl PULLUP | INPUTENABLE | MODE0 */
May 31 12:57:14 <koen> +				0x18c (PIN_INPUT | PULL_UP | MUX_MODE0)	/* i2c0_scl.i2c0_scl */
May 31 12:57:24 <narcos> Seems to be when using the 3G modem. Any idea what it's al about?
May 31 12:57:48 <panto> narcos, the kernel scheduled something to be sent to an offline device
May 31 12:59:02 <av500> koen: so what is 0x18c?
May 31 12:59:05 <Nite> hey, playing with my new BBBk. Can anyone tell me how to disable the default webui that comes with it? I disabled gateone, cloud9, bonescript, etc... after reboot the webserver is still running. I want to run my own python web services.
May 31 12:59:29 <mdp> av500, same magic offset from the magic base of the pinmux regs
May 31 12:59:31 <panto> afk
May 31 13:00:12 <mdp> with swarren's cpp support finally in, this is really just the first obvious incremental change
May 31 13:00:27 <mdp> you can still see magic values on irq nodes too
May 31 13:00:33 <narcos> panto: Any idea how to figure out what's causing it?
May 31 13:00:44 <mdp> nothing stopping someone from defining all the mux reg ofsets
May 31 13:03:57 <koen> Nite: systemctl disable bone101
May 31 13:06:52 <mdp> panto, v4 omap version hasn't hit archives yet..but benoit took it in for 3.11
May 31 13:07:06 <mdp> and the am33xx also was just posted so should also go for 3.11
May 31 13:07:21 <Nite> yeah... didn't do it. Looks like I will have to move the bonescript.socket file out of /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants
May 31 13:08:28 <Nite> yup, confirmed. see http://www.impulseair.com.au/site/?p=33, thanks!
May 31 13:10:45 <jackmitchell> awesome, that patchset progressed fast! I was almost drowning my sorrows when I saw the OMAP_* macros
May 31 13:12:20 <cmicali> mdp: is this patch on patchwork?
May 31 13:12:46 <mdp> previous versions at least sure
May 31 13:13:17 <mdp> jackmitchell, yeah, that went away after somebody else comment before I had a chance to, so I'm happy
May 31 13:13:19 <cmicali> mdp: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/2643411/?
May 31 13:13:49 <mdp> that's the accepted series, yes
May 31 13:13:59 <mdp> and first post of the am33xx equivalent just was posted
May 31 13:14:07 <cmicali> nice
May 31 13:14:56 <cmicali> this looks great
May 31 13:15:42 <cmicali> much less magic
May 31 13:15:46 <mdp> and https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/2643611/
May 31 13:15:57 <av500> hmm, now that cpp is involved, one can mabye compile a DT files
May 31 13:16:05 <av500> into a board file maybe?
May 31 13:16:20 <koen> sounds like a homework project for an indian sweatshop
May 31 13:16:23 <mdp> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/2643631/
May 31 13:16:32 <mru> av500: what a deliciously evil idea
May 31 13:16:34 <koen> where's ntd3?
May 31 13:16:41 <av500> :)
May 31 13:17:31 <av500> linux,keymap = <0x0000008b
May 31 13:18:55 <panto> hmm, if this patchset goes in we need to carry the header files in the rootfs for compiling capes natively
May 31 13:19:12 <mdp> panto, if?
May 31 13:19:23 <panto> did it go in?
May 31 13:19:31 <mdp> I said the omap version went in
May 31 13:19:37 <mdp> so all concerns are resolved
May 31 13:19:39 <av500> all this churn in dt files
May 31 13:19:42 <mdp> am33xx is just a copy
May 31 13:19:44 <mdp> churn!
May 31 13:19:52 * mdp drinks for "churn"
May 31 13:22:06 <Pakolm> hi
May 31 13:22:16 <Pakolm> I have a question for you guys
May 31 13:22:26 <Pakolm> just bought a BBB
May 31 13:22:36 <mru> we answer all questions
May 31 13:22:42 <mru> in some manner or other
May 31 13:22:49 <Pakolm> installed ubuntu 13.04 and flash it
May 31 13:23:08 <Pakolm> but the kernel does not have enabled the pwm control
May 31 13:24:27 <mru> still waiting for the question
May 31 13:24:29 <Pakolm> I tried to git clone the kernel to recompile it enabling the PWM control (https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev)
May 31 13:24:35 <Pakolm> but first:
May 31 13:24:44 <Pakolm> git is not cloning anything
May 31 13:24:53 <Pakolm> so I downloaded the file and unzip it
May 31 13:25:01 <panto> why do you recompile the kernel to enable pwms?
May 31 13:25:11 <mru> yeah, monsanto has a patent on cloning so they had to disable it
May 31 13:25:32 <Pakolm> because the class pwm is not enable in the kernel I have
May 31 13:25:35 <mdp> coolio, irq.h to fix irq property magic values is already there
May 31 13:25:45 <panto> firmware/capes/bone_pwm_P8_13-00A0.dts etc.
May 31 13:25:51 <Pakolm> monsanto is the answer then? XD
May 31 13:26:00 <panto> it is already compiled and ready in /lib/firmware
May 31 13:26:07 <panto> load it and you should have your pwm
May 31 13:27:01 <mru> monsanto will gladly sell you some roundup-ready kernels
May 31 13:27:05 <Pakolm> the cape could be loaded, but the pwm settings could not be done
May 31 13:27:06 <mru> hmm, that's a bugtracker
May 31 13:27:11 <mru> this is all starting to make sense
May 31 13:27:25 <panto> what does that mean?
May 31 13:27:32 <mru> sense?
May 31 13:27:34 <panto> the pwm settings could not be done?
May 31 13:27:39 <Pakolm> for instance /sys/devices/ocp.2/pwm_test_P9_14.12/period
May 31 13:27:42 <Pakolm> is not there
May 31 13:28:16 <Pakolm> read this:https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beaglebone/NZ8K7aFa6Ds
May 31 13:28:34 <panto> hum
May 31 13:28:37 <Pakolm> is only enabled on the angstrom distribution, but not in debian or ubuntu
May 31 13:29:30 <Pakolm> so, I have acces to internet thru a proxy and I could wget, ftp, ping etc to the internet
May 31 13:29:33 <Rickta59> have you tried angstrom?
May 31 13:29:35 <Pakolm> but git is not working
May 31 13:29:54 <Pakolm> I don't like angstrom, I prefer debian
May 31 13:30:04 <panto> err, Pakolm you need to load am33xx_pwm first
May 31 13:30:38 <Pakolm> yes, panto, doing sudo echo am33xx_pwm > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots
May 31 13:30:50 <panto> am33xx_pwm enables the pwms, the second load should create the pwms
May 31 13:30:59 <Pakolm> then sudo echo bone_pwm_P8_13 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots
May 31 13:32:01 <panto> http://pastebin.com/MyW2p4PS
May 31 13:32:24 <panto> what kind of messages do you get in the kernel log?
May 31 13:32:41 <Pakolm> panto, do you have ubuntu or debian?
May 31 13:32:46 <panto> angstrom
May 31 13:33:02 <Pakolm> PWM only works in angstrom
May 31 13:33:24 <Pakolm> and I have ubuntu 13
May 31 13:33:56 <panto> well, looks like a ubuntu problem then
May 31 13:34:10 <panto> what kernel version do you have
May 31 13:34:12 <Pakolm> yes, it is
May 31 13:34:23 <panto> and again, what is in your kernel log
May 31 13:34:27 <panto> dmesg will help
May 31 13:34:45 <Pakolm> Linux ubuntu-armhf 3.8.12-bone17 #1 SMP Thu May 9 12:04:53 UTC 2013 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
May 31 13:35:23 <av500> armv7l armv7l armv7l
May 31 13:35:29 <av500> is that arm21?
May 31 13:35:40 <mru> developers developers developers
May 31 13:35:48 <av500> badger badger badger
May 31 13:36:00 <Pakolm> I found the source of the problem. The Ubuntu image did not have the EHRPWM_TEST set as opposed to the Angstorm image. I enabled it and reinstalled the kernel using the script here: http://www.eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-LinuxBuildScript:  This brought up the period and duty files that were missing.  It should also be noted that when compiling the module, I ran into compilation error (caused by a mi
May 31 13:36:13 <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/100
May 31 13:36:23 <Pakolm> this is an extract of the post https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/wjbOVE6ItNg
May 31 13:36:47 <Pakolm> dmesg or the logs do not help, is not enabled!
May 31 13:38:14 <Pakolm> so, anyone know how to enable git in ubuntu (is installed and internet is working)
May 31 13:38:40 <panto> apt-get install git-core doesn't work?
May 31 13:39:11 <panto> your problems appear to be more ubuntu related than bb related
May 31 13:40:03 <plastygrove> Does anyone know what is the max current I can source from the BBB's 5v and 3.3v pins?
May 31 13:40:12 <Pakolm> panto, git is installed
May 31 13:40:15 <Pakolm> thanks for your help
May 31 13:40:37 <plastygrove> when connected to a laptop USB
May 31 13:40:50 <av500> plastygrove: not much
May 31 13:40:52 <av500> ah
May 31 13:40:54 <av500> sorry
May 31 13:40:56 <av500> read GPIO
May 31 13:41:24 <plastygrove> av500: I think GPIO is around 4ma
May 31 13:41:54 <koen> PMIC trip limit is set at 1.4A
May 31 13:42:46 <plastygrove> koen: USB can't supply more than 500ma, so I'm pretty sure that would be upper limit
May 31 13:43:17 <av500> it can
May 31 13:43:58 <plastygrove> av500: Really? I thought usb varies between 100-500ma
May 31 13:45:19 <av500> there is a USB battery chanrging spec
May 31 13:45:20 <jackmitchell> plastygrove: I think the standard states 500ma, so it's a case of defined, rather than limit
May 31 13:46:35 <plastygrove> jackmitchell: That makes sense
May 31 13:47:08 <plastygrove> av500: I'll look it up - will be good to know if I can get some extra juice from a USB
May 31 13:48:11 <bradfa> if usb people had their way USB would provide upwards of 100 W
May 31 13:48:21 <Pakolm> git works
May 31 13:48:25 <bradfa> power your whole computer off it
May 31 13:48:31 <Pakolm> i need to create an account....
May 31 13:48:35 <jackmitchell> plastygrove: I don't know what you are doing, but one way of doing it is to power from a wall wart, then connect a transistor from the BB 5v pin, and a gpio; then you have loads of power
May 31 13:49:16 <bradfa> 3.3V should be limited to 100 mA out of the linear regulator
May 31 13:49:24 <bradfa> on the headers
May 31 13:49:33 <bradfa> see SRM
May 31 13:49:43 <jackmitchell> yeah, should note I was speaking about the directly connected 5v header pins
May 31 13:50:05 <bradfa> bones aren't meant to power time machines
May 31 13:50:12 <plastygrove> bradfa: I looked through the SRM, couldn't find it
May 31 13:50:21 * bradfa looks, one sec
May 31 13:50:42 <plastygrove> bradfa: it's 116 pages, I think i'll need to take a few more looks to be sure though
May 31 13:50:54 <bradfa> 116 pages is child's play
May 31 13:50:59 <bradfa> see am335x trm
May 31 13:51:02 <bradfa> > 3k pages
May 31 13:51:25 <mru> the part number is actually the page count of the trm
May 31 13:52:01 <ynezz> :D
May 31 13:52:11 <ynezz> minus some magic number
May 31 13:52:12 <mru> the omap4 trm is a bit over 4k pages
May 31 13:52:31 <av500> that is why they stopped omap6
May 31 13:52:33 <ynezz> or is it $RANDOM
May 31 13:52:40 <av500> not enough paper in the world
May 31 13:52:56 <plastygrove> jackmitchell: I've mostly done low power circuits with LEDs and switches and stuff using the Arduino. Now I'm trying to figure out how to run motors and other things which require more power. I'm sure this is a problem that's been solved, I just don't know what to look for :(
May 31 13:53:17 <Humpelstilzchen> transistor, h-bride?
May 31 13:53:25 <bradfa> plastygrove, run your motors off external power supply, drive the logic from the bone
May 31 13:53:37 <jackmitchell> plastygrove: the method I stated earlier would well for some lower power motors
May 31 13:53:57 <jackmitchell> as bradfa mentions, it all depends; it aint the method to run a time machine
May 31 13:54:51 <plastygrove> bradfa: I have a 12V Lead acid battery - Can I run that through a 7805 to power the board AND some DC motors? I would use transistors with GPIO to base
May 31 13:55:00 <ketas> also, allowed io current is really low
May 31 13:55:25 <jackmitchell> how I would do it for a little hobby project is PWM to transistor, BB 5v to transistor and a small 5v motor hanging off it
May 31 13:55:26 <bradfa> ah, ok, so 0.5 A output of 3.3V linear on VDD_3V3B in the headers, but it's a linear, so if you do that on USB it'll consume all of your input current :)
May 31 13:55:38 <av500> plastygrove: 12V to 5V?
May 31 13:55:42 <jackmitchell> with a wall wart, not USB :)
May 31 13:55:43 <av500> on a linear regulator?
May 31 13:55:50 <dm8tbr> that's hot :)
May 31 13:55:58 <av500> that means you burn 7V * your current as heat
May 31 13:56:09 <bradfa> plastygrove, get a switching regulator
May 31 13:56:25 <dm8tbr> also I think there are some motor controller capes already
May 31 13:56:29 <ketas> expensive stuff
May 31 13:56:35 <av500> nah
May 31 13:56:36 <ketas> the dc-dc
May 31 13:56:41 <bradfa> dc-dc is cheap
May 31 13:56:50 <bradfa> atx power supplies go for < $30 for like 500 W
May 31 13:56:55 <plastygrove> av500: oh didn't realise that
May 31 13:57:03 <mru> bradfa: are those any good?
May 31 13:57:05 <dm8tbr> yup, need to order a bag of those pololu dc-dc step-up/step-down converters
May 31 13:57:07 <plastygrove> bradfa: I'll look that up
May 31 13:57:12 <bradfa> well, mru, it depends on your meaning of good
May 31 13:57:16 <av500> dm8tbr: they one you linked were shit
May 31 13:57:20 <av500> no current
May 31 13:57:21 <bradfa> just make sure you put some load resisotrs on the 3.3 5 and 12 lines
May 31 13:57:27 <bradfa> there's a min load requirement
May 31 13:57:27 <dm8tbr> av500: they do about 1A
May 31 13:57:34 <av500> as I said
May 31 13:57:34 <dm8tbr> that's enough for my needs
May 31 13:57:35 <av500> shit
May 31 13:57:40 <mru> bradfa: for starters, actually delivers the specified power
May 31 13:57:53 <bradfa> mru, for $30, no, they're crap
May 31 13:58:03 <bradfa> $50 to $100 gets decent stuffs though
May 31 13:58:39 <bradfa> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9774
May 31 13:58:41 <ketas> last time i checked dc-dc converter modules were expensive
May 31 13:58:58 <bradfa> modules are expensive, design your own for $1 or so
May 31 13:58:58 <ketas> the ones you might replace your linear regulator with
May 31 13:59:09 <bradfa> or just use an atx if you need big power
May 31 13:59:34 <ketas> emm i'm just talking about dc here
May 31 13:59:45 <bradfa> ketas, we all are
May 31 13:59:52 <bradfa> AC power is a whole nother game
May 31 13:59:54 <mru> I have a few atx psus with busted caps here...
May 31 13:59:59 <ketas> so dc atx psu?
May 31 14:00:03 <bradfa> ketas, yes
May 31 14:00:06 <ketas> hah
May 31 14:00:32 <mru> yeah, that damn ups wasn't cheap at all
May 31 14:00:37 <bradfa> ketas, most active power factor corrected atx supplies will run on DC input, granted it needs to be about 300 to 400 V dc input, but still
May 31 14:00:42 <ketas> actually you can probably hack out such things from old hw
May 31 14:01:07 <ketas> bradfa: i'm not sure how many users have 300vdc supply?
May 31 14:01:16 <mru> easy enough to make
May 31 14:01:18 <bradfa> ketas, you must not own an old cray super computer, then
May 31 14:01:24 <bradfa> :)
May 31 14:01:43 <dm8tbr> just chain a couple of batteries ;)
May 31 14:01:47 <ketas> i wish to get some 48vdc<->xv psu's
May 31 14:01:50 <mru> mains + rectifier bridge + large capacitors, done
May 31 14:01:51 <bradfa> ketas, to get 300 V DC, buy a full wave rectifier and some big caps, connect, plug into wall, done
May 31 14:01:56 <ketas> must be really common in telecom stuff
May 31 14:02:03 <bradfa> telecom is all -48V
May 31 14:02:05 <bradfa> DC
May 31 14:02:16 <bradfa> at least in USA
May 31 14:02:17 <mru> bradfa: except when it rings
May 31 14:02:21 <ketas> but i have no idea where to source old telecom hw
May 31 14:02:26 <bradfa> mru, I meant at switching stations
May 31 14:02:29 <ketas> :P
May 31 14:02:37 <bradfa> your phone is another game, lots of fun voltages there
May 31 14:02:50 <mru> 48V in standby
May 31 14:02:52 <plastygrove> bradfa: There seem to be some really cheap dc-dc converters on ebay - http://bit.ly/142XBXJ
May 31 14:02:54 <bradfa> free power from the phone company!
May 31 14:02:57 <ketas> i only have dsl nowadays
May 31 14:03:00 <mru> ringing it's ~100V AC
May 31 14:03:08 <ketas> ooh, lightning around
May 31 14:03:11 <bradfa> plastygrove, sure
May 31 14:03:16 <plastygrove> are they any good?
May 31 14:03:18 <ketas> maybe i need more surge protectors
May 31 14:03:20 <bradfa> ketas, run outside!
May 31 14:03:32 <bradfa> plastygrove, no idea
May 31 14:03:38 <mru> surge protectors are mostly a scam
May 31 14:03:52 <bradfa> mru, but what about the ones with special mercury cables for my stereo?
May 31 14:04:01 <av500> mru: scam protectors?
May 31 14:04:01 <ketas> wtf
May 31 14:04:02 <bradfa> makes the bass sound way better
May 31 14:04:13 <mru> bradfa: more fluid?
May 31 14:04:19 <bradfa> mru, yes
May 31 14:04:29 <bradfa> sometimes it turns into a terminator, though, which kind of ruins the music
May 31 14:04:31 <ketas> mru: proper ones
May 31 14:04:51 <mru> proper ones are pricey things
May 31 14:04:57 <mru> and rather bulky too
May 31 14:05:08 <mru> need a decent-size gap to stop it arcing
May 31 14:05:11 <ketas> mru: but you can't deny that voltage controlled short can save equipment
May 31 14:05:44 <mru> a proper protector can, yes
May 31 14:05:56 <mru> those power strips with 'surge protector' built in are a joke
May 31 14:05:57 * bradfa gets back to work
May 31 14:06:24 <ketas> mru: well, they don't pass type 3 spd certification?
May 31 14:06:29 <atl> Anyone try http://gpupowered.org/node/20 to get QT5 on beaglebone?
May 31 14:07:06 <mru> they might protect against overvoltage up to 1kV or so
May 31 14:07:19 <mru> a lightning strike nearby can exceed that by a good margin
May 31 14:07:41 <ketas> sure, that's why you have other two barriers
May 31 14:07:47 <ketas> why i don't
May 31 14:07:47 <av500> only putting all stuff in 3M bags can help!!!
May 31 14:07:49 <ketas> but should
May 31 14:08:03 <av500> and wearing funny slippers
May 31 14:08:17 <mru> don't forget the wrist bands
May 31 14:08:21 <av500> yeah
May 31 14:08:27 <panto> when I did telco stuff, customer premises equipment was tested at 10kV
May 31 14:08:27 <av500> and hair nets
May 31 14:08:45 <ketas> i wonder about building own protectors
May 31 14:09:14 <av500> yes, I built my own car safety belts too
May 31 14:09:25 <mru> do you have suspended power lines in your area or are they buried in the ground?
May 31 14:09:49 <ketas> all overhead
May 31 14:32:02 <ketas> panto: how many amps?
May 31 14:32:13 <ketas> :)
May 31 14:32:22 <panto> it was about a watt
May 31 14:32:35 <panto> isdn NTs/modems
May 31 14:33:02 <ketas> seems more like weather caused static than lightning strike
May 31 14:33:43 <ketas> which is static too, of course
May 31 14:33:54 <mru> and weather
May 31 14:36:20 <av500> dont have real problems?
May 31 14:36:28 <av500> like pinmux
May 31 14:37:00 <mru> spoken like a hedgehog
May 31 14:37:47 <ketas> do they talk?
May 31 14:38:01 <mru> mostly about pinmux
May 31 14:38:18 <ketas> bushpig
May 31 14:40:09 * KotH has not yet tried how hedgehog tastes
May 31 14:40:21 <mru> prickly
May 31 14:40:30 <ketas> they eat them?
May 31 14:42:45 <Rickta59> with angstrom 3.8 kernel on a BBB, should /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux be present?
May 31 14:42:56 <av500> nop
May 31 14:42:57 <av500> no
May 31 14:43:24 <Rickta59> http://elinux.org/EBC_Exercise_13_Pulse_Width_Modulation
May 31 14:43:36 <Rickta59> trying to following along with that and it indicates it is for 3.8 kernel
May 31 14:43:52 <Rickta59> so is that a BBW only feature?
May 31 14:44:40 <panto> no
May 31 14:53:37 <cyronin> I have confirmed, BeagleBone white cannot have an extra ethernet phy attached
May 31 14:54:49 <av500> wasn't that known?
May 31 14:55:14 <KotH> it might have been known, but now it has been confirmed
May 31 14:55:22 <cyronin> I think it was, just couldn't clarify using my weak google-fu
May 31 14:56:16 <cyronin> the MDIO lines aren't brought out to headers, and a lot of the RMII, RGMII, and GMII lines are missing from the headers.
May 31 14:56:35 <mru> yes, we knew that
May 31 14:57:12 <ketas> bitbang ethernet on gpio :P
May 31 14:57:30 <mru> ketas: should work better than on the rpi
May 31 14:57:34 <cyronin> that might be a fun kernel module project...
May 31 14:57:47 * SpeedEvil throws a vampire tap at ketas.
May 31 14:59:42 <ketas> damn, that microhdmi socket is very finely pitched
May 31 14:59:55 <ketas> usually you see such tiny stuff on pcb's
May 31 15:00:18 <mru> and this is not a pcb?
May 31 15:00:21 <keatont> Morning.
May 31 15:00:31 <ketas> mru: well, inside devices
May 31 15:00:36 <mru> moaning keatont
May 31 15:01:11 <keatont> Moaning?
May 31 15:03:16 <av500> ketas: yes, there are PCBs inside devices
May 31 15:05:19 <ketas> wtf really
May 31 15:05:28 <av500> yes
May 31 15:05:43 <mru> unless it has exopcbs
May 31 15:05:44 <av500> [16:55:14] <KotH> it might have been known, but now it has been confirmed
May 31 15:06:06 <av500> thank god it's confirmday
May 31 15:06:13 <ketas> well, i've never seen so finely pitched connector outside of devices
May 31 15:06:22 <ketas> i thought microusb is small
May 31 15:06:47 <av500> if you put BBB inside a box, its inside a device :)
May 31 15:09:11 <ketas> wtf are you talking about
May 31 15:09:24 <mru> boxes
May 31 15:09:25 <ketas> anyway, i might want cable for that port
May 31 15:09:27 <mru> and pcbs
May 31 15:10:49 <mru> here's a beagle in a box: http://www.beagleface.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Beagle_in_a_box.jpg
May 31 15:12:46 <av500> ketas: since you like large connectors: http://www.contrik.ch/website/uploads/images/09/660x/nx-hdmi-ska.jpg?v=1
May 31 15:13:05 <cmicali> anyone pulled the image off the emmc to a file?  i'm getting pretty shit throughput (250k/s) with dd -> xz
May 31 15:13:33 <av500> and for USB: http://www.conrad.at/medias/global/ce/5000_5999/5600/5690/5697/569745_BB_00_FB.EPS_1000.jpg
May 31 15:14:09 <ketas> can't be signal-safe
May 31 15:14:26 <ketas> interesting breakouts, however
May 31 15:15:11 <jackmitchell> yes! ich bin teg KING!
May 31 15:15:55 <ketas> ich sbin
May 31 15:16:11 <ketas> junge dunkel
May 31 15:19:11 <KotH> hebed doch alli de latz!
May 31 15:19:54 <ketas> that's too much for me
May 31 15:20:26 <KotH> ebe.. drum bisch besser ruig...
May 31 15:20:50 <KotH> in other news: fthang!
May 31 15:20:52 <av500> KotH swithed to JIHAD level red
May 31 15:21:03 <ketas> mmm, ma ei saa midagi aru
May 31 15:21:06 <ketas> :P
May 31 15:32:15 * georgem curses gpio interrupts on am335x, resorts to rigging up push button for testing
May 31 15:33:39 <plastygrove> I have a 5V IR collision sensor, how do I rig this up with the beaglebone black? Voltage divider to get 1.8V from 5V is not very straightforward :|
May 31 15:35:19 <jackmitchell> if it needs 1.8v, then it needs 1.8v, you got to get that voltage divider going
May 31 15:35:50 <georgem> plastygrove, jackmitchell: Hrm.. Wonder if there are any spare supply lines on the tps65217 and if the beagle bone brings them out
May 31 15:36:49 <mdp> koen, conclusion is that it's for triage..single point of contact since people have nfc what component an issue belongs to.
May 31 15:37:02 <jackmitchell> hmmm looks like VDD_ADC does bring out 1.8
May 31 15:37:26 <jackmitchell> P9.32
May 31 15:37:26 <georgem> For DDR I guess
May 31 15:37:43 <georgem> LDO3 is set to 1.8 V and supports up to 400-mA of current
May 31 15:37:43 <plastygrove> jackmitchell: Any ideas how?
May 31 15:37:51 <jackmitchell> The signal VDD_ADC is provided via the expansion header, but is not a voltage rail
May 31 15:38:03 <jackmitchell> so looks like you need the voltage divider
May 31 15:38:07 <georgem> ah
May 31 15:38:31 <plastygrove> jackmitchell: sorry, I meant for reading input
May 31 15:38:43 <ka6sox> mourning
May 31 15:38:55 <jackmitchell> oh, well, the adc pins are 1.8, will that do it? or do you need digital?
May 31 15:39:24 <jackmitchell> otherwise just get a level shifter, or a transistor
May 31 15:39:25 <mru> ka6sox: a jolly good friday to you too
May 31 15:40:01 <ka6sox> finally over this 36hr treadmill ordeal....
May 31 15:40:03 <jackmitchell> and a basic electronics book while you're at it
May 31 15:40:13 <plastygrove> jackmitchell: the component I have is super cheap and only gives 0 or 1. But problem is that it gives either 0 or 5v. How do I put this with the beaglebone when the gpio can read a max of 1.8V
May 31 15:40:31 <jackmitchell> plastygrove: the 'digital' GPIO can do 5v
May 31 15:40:40 <jackmitchell> the 'Analogue' GPIO can do 1.8v
May 31 15:41:07 <jackmitchell> just be careful to the amount of current you put into a GPIO though, you don't want to kaput the pin
May 31 15:41:21 <ka6sox> jackmitchell, have you seen the "forrest Mims" books?
May 31 15:41:35 <jackmitchell> ka6sox: no, why?
May 31 15:42:02 <jackmitchell> ah free electronics books, nice
May 31 15:42:05 <jackmitchell> cowboy stle too
May 31 15:42:14 <jackmitchell> s/stle/style
May 31 15:42:17 <jackmitchell> yehaw
May 31 15:42:26 <Rickta59> http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slaa148/slaa148.pdf plastygrove .. some good options in there
May 31 15:43:07 <jackmitchell> plastygrove: I was also lying, the pins can only do *3.3v* _NOT_ 5v
May 31 15:43:21 <ketas> weird, beagle is actually dog breed?
May 31 15:43:26 <jackmitchell> It Friday, my brain has been all used up
May 31 15:44:38 <mru> zombie attack?
May 31 15:45:26 <ka6sox> mru, felt like it...
May 31 15:45:54 <mru> like having your brains sucked out by an undead monster?
May 31 15:46:42 <ka6sox> yes, the are called "clients"
May 31 15:46:59 <mru> right
May 31 15:47:07 <ketas> emm, vadc is still not clear label for pin?
May 31 15:47:32 <ka6sox> ketas, is on my SRM
May 31 15:48:08 <mru> ka6sox: did you pay extra for the deluxe version?
May 31 15:48:52 <ka6sox> mru, no gerald is equal opportunity
May 31 15:49:22 <mru> ah, but opportunities must be used
May 31 15:50:03 <ka6sox> mru, +1
May 31 15:50:12 <ka6sox> moar coffee!
May 31 15:50:46 <mru> beer o'clock is approaching here
May 31 15:51:14 <emeb> wish I was there. too early for beersies here.
May 31 15:51:27 <mru> and it's nice weather too
May 31 15:53:05 * mranostay harlem shakes in
May 31 15:53:18 <mru> mranostay: you really should stop doing that
May 31 15:53:26 <mranostay> i should but i won't
May 31 15:54:34 <ka6sox> its kind of like his HK phase....
May 31 15:54:35 <plastygrove> jackmitchell: Oh, 3.3V works great with a voltage divider! Thanks
May 31 15:54:43 <plastygrove> I need to read up the SRM
May 31 15:54:52 <ketas> 3.3v on what?
May 31 15:54:56 <ketas> adc?
May 31 15:54:57 <ketas> :)
May 31 15:55:04 <plastygrove> jackmitchell: And also some basic elec :D
May 31 15:55:20 <jackmitchell> ketas: adc is 1.8
May 31 15:55:34 <jackmitchell> bit I digress, the time for beer is upon me
May 31 15:55:35 <ketas> not sure what he divides on what
May 31 15:55:36 <mranostay> wmat: god even canuck postal codes are weird :P
May 31 15:56:07 <wmat> mranostay: nah, zip codes are weird ;)
May 31 15:56:10 <jackmitchell> chao all and have a good (hazy) weekend! I believe we're due some sun in the UK, yippee!
May 31 15:56:26 <mru> that's indeed what the forecast says
May 31 15:57:05 <ka6sox> jackmitchell, mru don't blink or you will miss it.
May 31 15:57:28 <ketas> hahaha
May 31 15:57:32 <ketas> miss the sun?
May 31 15:57:37 <mru> the summer
May 31 15:58:58 <ka6sox> yay! they got a line around...now if the wind stays calm....
May 31 15:59:10 <ka6sox> wrong place...
May 31 15:59:31 <mdp> but we know what you're talking about!
May 31 15:59:50 <ka6sox> yup.
May 31 16:01:17 <KotH> ka6sox: you stay until the wind changes?
May 31 16:03:03 <ka6sox> KotH, if the wind changes I might have to RUN
May 31 16:03:06 * mranostay pretends to be an intern
May 31 16:03:19 <mru> mranostay: by working for free?
May 31 16:03:29 <mru> or by creating the biggest git repo ever seen?
May 31 16:03:29 <mranostay> heh no
May 31 16:03:32 <ka6sox> Bad mranostay Bad Bad!
May 31 16:03:48 <mranostay> mru: i don't think intel has unpaid internships
May 31 16:04:06 <mranostay> bradfa: how did that repo thing turn out? :)
May 31 16:04:10 <mdp> ka6sox, you wish I could divert some of our precious moisture over your direction
May 31 16:04:24 <mranostay> you can have all the rain you want from here
May 31 16:04:38 * mdp hands mranostay massive binaries to check in
May 31 16:04:39 <ka6sox> mdp, as long as you bypass oklahoma on the way....
May 31 16:04:59 <masta> prpplague: are you going to be in Austin for TXLF ?
May 31 16:05:03 <mru> mranostay: try checking in /dev/random
May 31 16:06:25 <ketas> mru: git of all times
May 31 16:07:47 <mdp> ka6sox, we do sit next to 96% of the useful .us water here...but sorry, you can't have any.
May 31 16:08:00 <mranostay> mdp: state compact? :)
May 31 16:08:23 <mdp> mranostay, has to be closely watched...they will sell their souls
May 31 16:09:00 <mranostay> mdp: when the war for fresh water breaks out :)
May 31 16:09:04 <ketas> noaa controls weather now?
May 31 16:09:09 <ka6sox> mdp, I swear its by force of will that Norcal and Socal don't split over water issues.
May 31 16:09:25 <mranostay> now there is an idea for a book
May 31 16:09:51 <mdp> ka6sox, AZ/NV got the sweet deal in the western water rights laws
May 31 16:09:58 <ketas> i wonder if there will be ever war for fresh water?
May 31 16:10:04 <ka6sox> mdp, indeed they did
May 31 16:10:15 <mdp> ketas, yes
May 31 16:10:30 <mru> in some parts of the world, quite possibly
May 31 16:10:36 <ketas> or we manage to redistribute it evenly
May 31 16:10:43 <kfoltman> that'd be communism!
May 31 16:10:43 <mdp> ka6sox, bruce babbitt was a great insider for AZ
May 31 16:10:56 <mranostay> ketas: you can dream :)
May 31 16:10:58 <ketas> because currently we put drinkable water into things that don't require it
May 31 16:11:05 <ketas> like toilet
May 31 16:11:06 <mru> let them drink beer
May 31 16:11:11 <mranostay> but a few standing armies will get in the way :)
May 31 16:11:18 <mdp> heh
May 31 16:11:29 <joel_> mranostay: btw, As I follow, DT now has support for #include's so that just make pinctrl nightmares a bit less. not the 3.8 evil vendor kernel, but mainline. Atleast since 3.9
May 31 16:11:38 <joel_> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/1721963
May 31 16:11:52 <mru> ketas: where there's no shortage, that's not a problem
May 31 16:12:00 <ketas> mru: surely
May 31 16:12:07 <joel_> That's an example for omap4 where preproc macros are used to make pinctrl entries more readable.
May 31 16:12:36 <ka6sox> mdp,  as SOI?
May 31 16:12:55 <mdp> yes
May 31 16:13:34 <ketas> mru: we use ground supply in this town... provided that level doesn't go down i will be fine :P
May 31 16:13:55 <mru> it's constantly replenished
May 31 16:14:06 <mru> so provided you don't use it too quickly it won't run out
May 31 16:14:30 <mdp> therein lies the problem for cities drawing from ground water ;)
May 31 16:14:50 <mranostay> joel_: don't ask me i'm a board file and SSDT guy now :P
May 31 16:14:56 <mdp> and oh, that wrangling over right-of-way as they grow and need to draw from areas further away ;)
May 31 16:15:29 <ketas> hm
May 31 16:15:38 <mdp> mranostay, board files are the intel way
May 31 16:15:42 <joel_> mranostay: hehe. You can always load kernel modules and platform_device_register ;-) :-P. I wont give you weird looks
May 31 16:16:01 <mdp> joel_, you are late to the party ;)
May 31 16:16:19 <mdp> joel_, we already talked about the accepted omap implementation for that and the posted am33xx version
May 31 16:16:59 <joel_> mdp: yes I got distracted with other non-kernel tasks :-(. Let me look up those discussions
May 31 16:17:27 <mdp> not much, just everybody happy that the patches became sane before acceptance
May 31 16:18:21 <joel_> mdp: only preproc stuff I could find was from florian
May 31 16:18:26 <joel_> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-omap/msg91046.html
May 31 16:18:29 <KotH> mru: tokyo has the other problem, ground water levels going up
May 31 16:18:35 <mdp> joel_, yes
May 31 16:18:42 <KotH> mru: they stopped using ground water a couple of years back
May 31 16:18:49 <mru> why?
May 31 16:18:51 <joel_> mdp: ah ok. you mentioned am33xx?
May 31 16:18:54 <mdp> joel_, but that's v2..v4 was taken upstream
May 31 16:19:05 <mdp> joel_, he posted the am33xx version after v4 was taken
May 31 16:19:08 <mdp> today
May 31 16:19:14 <KotH> mru: now a couple of the subway stations are starting to "swimm" and tilt due to boyance
May 31 16:19:14 <mdp> hours ago
May 31 16:19:39 <mru> KotH: fun
May 31 16:19:41 <KotH> mru: because the ground water level sank way too much after WWII
May 31 16:19:55 <mru> so use a little of both
May 31 16:20:02 <mdp> joel_, I'm going to post the bcm version in a sec..let there be cpp! :P
May 31 16:20:19 <KotH> anyways... time to get out the arch and find a mountain i can crash to
May 31 16:20:22 <KotH> bbl
May 31 16:20:25 <joel_> hehe
May 31 16:21:01 <joel_> mranostay: what about intel/x86 for? see mdp is already posting for brcm.
May 31 16:21:11 <joel_> s/for//
May 31 16:22:04 <_Sy_> Summer has finnaly arrived
May 31 16:22:40 <georgem> We got 2 inchs of rain in an hour last night. Craziness.
May 31 16:23:25 <_Sy_> if its sunny today, probably will be cloudy and raining tomorrow :)
May 31 16:23:40 <fiola> _Sy_: something yellow appeared in the sky in UK a little while ago .... briefly, and very disconcerting
May 31 16:24:02 <joel_> mdp: only downside is this will make out-of-tree compilation of dts independent of gcc more complicated
May 31 16:24:42 <_Sy_> :)
May 31 16:25:13 <mdp> joel_, tools are free
May 31 16:25:21 <_Sy_> Tonight I am going to crack this nss issue!
May 31 16:25:44 <joel_> mdp: I'm not complaining, just an observation :P. Infact I'm in favor of leave dts in-kernel
May 31 16:26:22 <mdp> with the level of churn, it's not practical to leave anyway
May 31 16:26:32 <mdp> a noble vision though ;)
May 31 16:26:38 * fiola gives _Sy_ a nutcracker, and a sledgehammer in case that fails
May 31 16:27:05 <joel_> :)
May 31 16:27:24 <_Sy_> :) so far all attempts have failed
May 31 16:32:09 <georgem> To setup a gpio interrupt in device tree do I need to do anything other than assign it to a device by doing: interrupt-parent = <&gpioB>; interrupts = <P>;. Where B = 1 based bank number and P = 1 based pin number.
May 31 16:34:43 <_Sy_> This is driving me crazy, got a little further, now getting:  "gcc: error: @nss_CFLAGS@: No such file or directory"
May 31 16:34:55 <mru> welcome to autohell
May 31 16:35:07 <_av500_> +1
May 31 16:35:52 <georgem> The interrupt is showing up in /proc/interrupts but it has a count of 0. I exported the pin to make sure it goes high when the interrupt is supposed to occur and it does.
May 31 16:36:23 <mdp> pinmux
May 31 16:36:48 <georgem> yeah, I pinmuxed it. I have it set to 0x37
May 31 16:37:01 <_Sy_> It looks like the make file is looking for environment variables nss_CFLAGS and nss_LIBS, but as far as I can tell these aren't set-up, does anyone know what they should be set to?
May 31 16:37:18 <mru> not environment
May 31 16:37:41 <mru> configure is supposed to substitute those
May 31 16:37:46 <mru> for some reason it didn't
May 31 16:38:05 <georgem> _Sy_: if you pastebin your configure.ac and Makefile.am I can probably tell you whats wrong.
May 31 16:38:15 <_Sy_> I can't find any mention of them in configure
May 31 16:38:39 <mru> there needs to be an AC_SUBST() or similar call in configure.ac
May 31 16:38:46 <georgem> +1
May 31 16:38:46 <_Sy_> I'll get the files now
May 31 16:38:52 <mdp> georgem, and doublechecked in the debugfs pinctrl that the setting is active and doublechecked the pinmux reg offset, etc.
May 31 16:39:48 <_Sy_> How do I pastebin in here?
May 31 16:40:05 <mru> not here, in a pastebin
May 31 16:40:29 <_Sy_> sorry, what and where is that?
May 31 16:40:45 <mru> it's a bin for pasting, on the internet
May 31 16:41:45 <ka6sox> hastebin.com, pastebin.com, etc
May 31 16:41:55 <mru> wastebin.com
May 31 16:41:57 <ka6sox> maybe its pastebin.ca
May 31 16:42:14 <mru> that exists too
May 31 16:42:18 <mru> at least sometimes
May 31 16:43:36 <georgem> mdp: I'll look over it carefully again to make sure I didn't screw something up.
May 31 16:43:57 <_Sy_> Setting up pastebin account
May 31 16:44:02 <fiola> There's more pastebins around than UK rain days, must be a list of them somewhere.  They're all OK though.  The canonical one is pastebin.com itself of course.
May 31 16:44:16 <fiola> No need for accounts _Sy_
May 31 16:44:28 <_Sy_> really?
May 31 16:44:58 <kfoltman> fiola: I've read it as "there's more pastebin content on UK rainy days" (are there non-rainy days in the UK? doesn't seem to be the case with Ireland!)
May 31 16:44:59 <fiola> Just connect to any of them, paste your stuff, they give you a URL, poaste it here
May 31 16:45:21 <fiola> kfoltman: LOL, rain wars ^_^
May 31 16:45:35 <mru> kfoltman: sun is shining here today
May 31 16:46:00 <kfoltman> mru: it was shining yesterday in Dublin, too, but that doesn't it make it a non-rainy day ;)
May 31 16:46:15 <mru> ok then, it's not raining here today
May 31 16:46:27 <_Sy_> Here is the Makefile.am, http://pastebin.com/f6Sw6rUj
May 31 16:46:29 <kfoltman> (yet?)
May 31 16:46:40 <fiola> Heh, we live with it.  And in autumn we can complain about "leaves on the rail tracks" too :P
May 31 16:46:55 <_Sy_> And configure.ac, http://pastebin.com/7jpqQNm2
May 31 16:47:20 <mru> fiola: and in winter we get "the wrong kind of snow"
May 31 16:47:51 <fiola> mru: Oh yeah, forgot about that ^_^
May 31 16:48:26 <mru> it's a great place to be a curmudgeon
May 31 16:49:42 <fiola> mru:  I think it's a strength actually.  Almost everything works well in the UK, despite politicians' best attempts to kill it, so we're only left with complaining about nutty stuff.
May 31 16:50:35 <_Sy_> mmmm....not sure I agree with that....roads are in a terrible state, almost everything is heading rapidly down hill
May 31 16:51:00 <mru> I'd say down hill is an improvement
May 31 16:51:08 <_Sy_> :)
May 31 16:51:09 <mru> when I was a kid, it was up hill both ways
May 31 16:51:34 <_Sy_> Not sure why we pay tax....oh yes, I remember to pay for the benefits system
May 31 16:51:42 <mru> and the duck houses
May 31 16:51:53 <_Sy_> Yep
May 31 16:52:36 <fiola> _Sy_: that's council-level corruption/incompetence, they give the road repairs to the cheapest bidder and don't bother to check the tender that says "We will fill holes with blancmange".
May 31 16:52:54 <fiola> More council incompetence that corruption.
May 31 16:52:55 <prpplague> masta: sorry no, but jayneil will be there for minnowboard.org
May 31 16:53:15 <_Sy_> Seems like a national problem tho....
May 31 16:53:31 <mru> it's no better in other countries
May 31 16:53:54 <mru> none that I've seen at least
May 31 16:54:04 <kfoltman> mru: certainly not better in Ireland or Poland, at least
May 31 16:54:11 <SpeedEvil> The fundamental problem is that MPs expenses are _not_ the problem
May 31 16:54:27 <kfoltman> They're a problem, but not THE problem.
May 31 16:54:28 <mru> the _MPs_ are the problem :)
May 31 16:54:34 <_Sy_> We have a benefits system that until recently rewarded out of work people for having kids, the move you had the move you got...thats changing.
May 31 16:54:36 <SpeedEvil> Would I rather have an MP that had gold bath-taps, and acted to reduce the scope of his department as much as possible - YES!
May 31 16:55:05 <SpeedEvil> _Sy_: It also has unintended impacts. The benefit cap will mostly impact those in work.
May 31 16:55:07 <mru> most MPs are only there because free money
May 31 16:55:43 <fiola> SpeedEvil: Unheard of, a politician that tries to reduce the scope of their influence.
May 31 16:55:43 <SpeedEvil> I note also http://blog.cix.co.uk/gmorgan/2013/03/18/three-big-lies-of-welfare-reform/
May 31 16:56:03 * SpeedEvil sighs.
May 31 16:56:15 * SpeedEvil has been doing _way_ too much pointless research into this.
May 31 16:56:21 <fiola> lol
May 31 16:56:24 <georgem> _Sy_: Ugh. This is quite screwy. Usually what you want is AC_SUBST(NSS_CFLAGS) in configure.ac then you want something like: executable_CFLAGS = $(NSS_CFLAGS) in Makefile.am
May 31 16:56:40 <_Sy_> Fortunately I've never been out of work, but I see plenty of people that have never worked, and I knew someone who told me once that he made so much money on benefits that he would have to be paid at least £200 GPB after tax to make it worth while taking a job.
May 31 16:57:02 <georgem> _Sy_: This is also complicated by the fact that there are subdirs here and looks like compiling is not done in this Makefile.am
May 31 16:57:04 <mru> so lower the benefits
May 31 16:57:15 <SpeedEvil> _Sy_: At the moment, I'm trying to start some self employed earnings, but am on sickness benefits. This is ... complex.
May 31 16:57:23 <kfoltman> _Sy_: it's a complex problem - I suppose there are people so brain-damaged that you don't even want them working, especially after the last few decades of cheap drugs and alcohol
May 31 16:57:33 <mru> I've never received a penny in benefits, so I wouldn't mind
May 31 16:57:49 <fiola> _Sy_: a civilized society should aim to gradually reduce the per-capita work over time required for survival.  Hasn't happened though, anywhere.
May 31 16:57:53 <SpeedEvil> mru: Child benefit - stamp duty relief - morgage interest tax relief, ...
May 31 16:58:05 <kfoltman> _Sy_: then there are immigrants, which I see blamed for every little problem the UK has (which is why I'm staying in Ireland, despite less opportunities)
May 31 16:58:10 <SpeedEvil> mru: Err - ooops - this isn't #pi - so you may not be UK
May 31 16:58:17 <mru> I am
May 31 16:58:19 <SpeedEvil> Ah
May 31 16:58:43 <mru> but no kids and no mortgage
May 31 16:58:56 <kfoltman> _Sy_: then a completely fucked up tax/benefits structure that causes perverse incentives for both individuals and corporations
May 31 16:59:02 <SpeedEvil> Single person council tax discount.
May 31 16:59:09 <mru> that I get
May 31 16:59:13 <fiola> SpeedEvil: The whole world is #pi, not because everyone wants that crappy hardware, but because it's lowered the cost expectations.  BBB wouldn't exist with Pi.
May 31 16:59:21 <SpeedEvil> True.
May 31 16:59:26 <fiola> without* Pi
May 31 16:59:28 <mru> but that doesn't count
May 31 16:59:38 <mru> that's just a discount, not them paying me
May 31 16:59:45 <Russ> SpeedEvil, what about the tax discount where the government agrees not to seize all your assets?
May 31 16:59:53 <Russ> we could go all day
May 31 17:00:10 <SpeedEvil> mru: The two are functionally equivalent - see the 'bedroom tax' - which the government want to call 'the removal of the spare bedroom subsidy'
May 31 17:00:41 <Russ> its like saying that you are getting benefits because they tax rate could be 15% higher, but it isn't
May 31 17:00:44 <SpeedEvil> The system is badly broken, and the changes coming down the pipe don't make it better.
May 31 17:00:53 <mru> calling it 'bedroom tax' is just cheap rhetoric
May 31 17:01:06 <Russ> or that you made $20 because you bought something on sale
May 31 17:01:08 <mdp> Russ, everything is a "loophole"
May 31 17:01:11 <mru> why should the govt pay for a bigger house than people need?
May 31 17:01:21 <SpeedEvil> mru: Because it's not that simple.
May 31 17:01:30 <ka6sox> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/146
May 31 17:01:48 <mdp> lol
May 31 17:01:49 <fiola> Politics:  the study and discipline of how to make things worse in the face or unorganized improvement.
May 31 17:01:52 <mdp> Friday!
May 31 17:01:54 <georgem> The world is just fucked...
May 31 17:02:03 <ka6sox> mdp, everyday!
May 31 17:02:06 <SpeedEvil> mru: 60 year-old who is managing in their own home only because their neighbour looks in several times a day. They move - and lose that support, and they can no longer live independantly.
May 31 17:02:18 <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/52
May 31 17:02:51 <mdp> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/18
May 31 17:02:58 <SpeedEvil> People who move out of their local area lose their contacts, and are less able to obtain employment.
May 31 17:03:40 <mru> mdp: this is turning into the 'darmok' episode of star trek
May 31 17:03:51 <bertux> Hi, i need some information about Angstrom update in BBB
May 31 17:04:08 <SpeedEvil> bertux: ?
May 31 17:04:21 <_Sy_> georgem, I've sent you a few msgs, have you seen them?
May 31 17:04:37 <georgem> _Sy_: yup. I'm doing a few other things as well though too
May 31 17:04:40 <bertux> i update with sd card
May 31 17:04:49 <mru> SpeedEvil: you can always construct a case where a change has the opposite of the intended consequences
May 31 17:04:50 <_Sy_> ok, ty
May 31 17:04:50 <mdp> mru, heh, agreed, and I like that you chose a code I can understand
May 31 17:04:58 <bertux> but does'n work
May 31 17:05:16 <bertux> the led user0 and user2 blinks
May 31 17:05:17 <_Sy_> I'll be back shortly, have to go cut the grass while its dry
May 31 17:05:45 <bertux> but the system doesn't start
May 31 17:06:22 <mru> SpeedEvil: but you can't deny that when there are people who _could_ work but can't be arsed to because they make more on benefits, something is wrong
May 31 17:06:46 <SpeedEvil> mru: No, that's wrong. There are major problems with the system.
May 31 17:07:09 <KotH> mru: political changes always involve a lot of cases with the opposite consequences than intended. if the change was proposed by the left or the right wing, the opposite cases will outnumber the intended cases by far
May 31 17:07:37 <SpeedEvil> mru: For example, my case has been handed over to a work program provider, because the jobcentre couldn't work out what to do with me as I'm patently unable to work. The work program provider has been paid some £600. For this, I got one two minute phone call about a year ago.
May 31 17:09:07 <SpeedEvil> Evidence based. We need more actual trials in this area, not governemnt by prejudice and 'seems like it should'
May 31 17:09:30 <mru> but that would be common sense
May 31 17:09:52 <SpeedEvil> s/this/all/
May 31 17:10:37 <KotH> mru: common sense does not apply to politics.. or politicians have never heard about it
May 31 17:11:09 <WA2EIN> theres nothing wrong with politicians that money wont fix
May 31 17:11:13 <georgem> SpeedEvil: Sounds similar to the situation here in the USA as well.
May 31 17:11:42 <SpeedEvil> WA2EIN: yup. A pile of wood, some matches and a stake is surprisingly inexpensive.
May 31 17:11:52 <kfoltman> "It's hard to explain something to someone whose job depends on not understanding it."
May 31 17:12:13 <awozniak> I'm currently running OMAP ISP with AEWB, AF, etc... off.  How do I turn them on?
May 31 17:13:09 <georgem> KotH: They've heard of it but if a common sense solution means pissing off a bunch of lobbting groups, unions, campaign contributors they're not going to try it.
May 31 17:13:22 <WA2EIN> SpeedEvil  Maybe we should resurrect the Dunkin stool
May 31 17:13:54 <KotH> georgem: i know how it works... my brother used to be in politics...
May 31 17:13:55 <panto> http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_and_the_3.8_Kernel
May 31 17:14:06 <KotH> georgem: unfortunately he was not corrupt enough and got kicked out
May 31 17:14:08 <Rickta59> so .. are there any tutorials about using spi with the beaglebone black and angstrom 3.8 that actually work?
May 31 17:14:11 <WA2EIN> Flashiing 5.27 requires the use of the power switch as well as the User switch
May 31 17:14:15 <fiola> kfoltman++
May 31 17:14:20 <mru> KotH: oh, I thought maybe you shot him
May 31 17:14:23 <Rickta59> google seems to like hipster's site
May 31 17:14:43 <panto> Rickta59, http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_and_the_3.8_Kernel
May 31 17:14:47 <KotH> mru: nah.. he actually wanted to make things better... and thought before proposing something..
May 31 17:14:50 <panto> read that first
May 31 17:15:00 <mru> KotH: hahahahahaha
May 31 17:15:02 <KotH> mru: but that was his biggest fault as a polititian
May 31 17:15:14 <Tey> Good evening!
May 31 17:15:28 <KotH> mru: it pissed quite a few people off that he showed them how bad their "solutions" were
May 31 17:15:36 <fiola> KotH: "thought before proposing something" ... clearly not a politician then
May 31 17:15:48 <Tey> Im wondering, why is the Beaglebone Flash Image a few gigs big, but when i put it on SD Card its not even 100mb in total?
May 31 17:15:54 <KotH> fiola: once an engineer, always an engineer :)
May 31 17:16:01 <Rickta59> i was hoping to find a working spi dts file panto
May 31 17:16:04 * fiola chuckles
May 31 17:16:14 <mru> politicians have exactly two thoughts: 1) will this make me richer, and 2) will this get me re-elected
May 31 17:16:19 <levi> Tey: It's a disk image of a 4GB card with a small partition on it.
May 31 17:16:24 <panto> Rickta59, do you have the kernel sources?
May 31 17:16:28 <levi> Or nGB for some n.
May 31 17:16:38 <Rickta59> is there a tutorial in there?
May 31 17:16:48 <Tey> ah i see, so it just contains whole partition structure and stuff
May 31 17:16:56 * kfoltman -> home
May 31 17:17:03 <panto> firmware/capes/cape-bone-adafruit-lcd-00A0.dts contains a fully working example for an spi peripheral
May 31 17:17:09 <Rickta59> thanks
May 31 17:17:20 <panto> firmaware/capes/BB-SPI*.dts examples of specific ones
May 31 17:17:28 <panto> Rickta59, note, there is no spidev
May 31 17:17:30 <levi> Tey: It is a copy of all the bits on the original SD card, whether they were formatted or not.
May 31 17:17:48 <Rickta59> ... spidev is old tech?
May 31 17:17:53 <panto> cause a) usually you connect your spi peripheral there
May 31 17:17:53 <fiola> mru: I think there is a subconscious desire to tick box 3 too:  "3) will this screw someone"
May 31 17:18:07 <panto> and b) I think it's icky and promotes bad use of spi under linux
May 31 17:18:19 <mru> fiola: "will this make my opponents look bad"
May 31 17:18:24 <panto> if you have an spi peripheral, use it via a proper driver
May 31 17:18:29 <fiola> Oh yeah, 4)
May 31 17:18:41 <mru> subset of 3 really
May 31 17:18:58 <bradfa> mranostay, which repo thing?
May 31 17:19:00 <Rickta59> http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-spi-with-device-tree-on-beaglebone-black-copy-paste/
May 31 17:19:09 <Rickta59> have you seen that .. it is basically broken
May 31 17:19:13 <WA2EIN> Tey Around around 373K for 5.27
May 31 17:19:17 <Rickta59> he talks about usign spidev
May 31 17:19:24 <Rickta59> the dts doesn't compile
May 31 17:19:37 <Rickta59> the python-dist names the wrong ipk
May 31 17:19:50 <panto> it's cause he hasn't filled in the spidev arguments
May 31 17:20:01 <panto> my examples are sure to compile
May 31 17:20:12 <panto> the adafruit example is tested on real h/w to boot
May 31 17:20:15 <Rickta59> k i'll poke around for them thanks
May 31 17:20:58 <mru> what's with all the brits here anyway? rpi refugees?
May 31 17:20:59 <panto> ok, it's beer o'clock
May 31 17:21:09 <panto> cya later trolls
May 31 17:22:02 <ka6sox> bye panto
May 31 17:24:12 <Tey> WA2EIN sorry?
May 31 17:25:26 <fiola> mru: everyone that's experienced a Pi is a Pi refugee unless they use it for XBMC, which is its forte.  There may be something to the conspiracy theories that say edu was never the goal, but I reckon it was just incompetence in SoC selection.  The community saw what it was best for, and acted accordingly.
May 31 17:26:13 <fiola> A million eyes are better than the few at RPF
May 31 17:27:13 <fiola> Admittedly conspiracy theories are more fun, but not needed to explain this I think.
May 31 17:28:22 <SpeedEvil> fiola: its fine for low power server stuff
May 31 17:29:40 <mru> nope
May 31 17:30:33 <_Sy_> back
May 31 17:31:12 <fiola> Not low power consumption, it has high power consumption.  One of the most interesting Pi applications was the high altitude balloon that didn't require the usual payload heaters because the Pi dissipates so much power as heat.
May 31 17:31:24 <mru> :)
May 31 17:32:11 <SpeedEvil> it is low power use for a mains connected server
May 31 17:32:18 <_Sy_> Its so hot outside now
May 31 17:32:20 <SpeedEvil> also, heaters are not usually used
May 31 17:32:44 <SpeedEvil> most consumer grade hardware is OK at -20c
May 31 17:32:51 <mru> but it's a crap server
May 31 17:33:01 <mru> what with the unstable ethernet
May 31 17:33:06 <SpeedEvil> and a fairly poorly insulated box will get you that
May 31 17:33:57 <SpeedEvil> ##highaltitude also
May 31 17:35:06 <fiola> Raspbian is a good distro though, makes the most of the limited hardware, and pretty much every package is available, unlike in Amgstrom.  I guess we get the same with Debian, still getting myself set up for that.
May 31 17:35:17 <KotH> i wonder how long it takes until some amateurs launch their own satelite into orbit.. satelite and rocket build from cots components
May 31 17:36:23 <fiola> Radio amateurs have been putting their own satellites in orbit since the Late Jurassic ... not their own launchers though.
May 31 17:36:39 <KotH> i'm aware of the amsat
May 31 17:36:44 <KotH> but amsat are not cots stuff
May 31 17:36:58 <KotH> they are build to nearly the same standards as comercial satelites
May 31 17:39:45 <mru> KotH: north korea don't count as amateurs?
May 31 17:40:01 <KotH> mru: do they have a working satelite?
May 31 17:40:07 <mru> no
May 31 17:40:16 <mru> only a dead one
May 31 17:40:57 <mranostay> is it still orbiting?
May 31 17:41:14 <mru> no idea
May 31 17:41:23 <mru> it was for a while
May 31 18:15:33 <backjlack> Whatever I managed to boot - the OS from the NAND or Ubuntu off the SD, it's not allowing me to ssh in, sigh.
May 31 18:15:55 <backjlack> It's time to go look for the right HDMI cable.
May 31 18:18:19 <backjlack> *facepalm* It has a web terminal.
May 31 18:19:20 <fiola> backjlack: it's always time to look for a serial cable.  Can highly recommend FTDI's TTL-232R-3V3, available from everywhere.
May 31 18:19:48 <fiola> OK, TTL-232R-3V3 not available from Tesco.  I'll have to write to them.
May 31 18:20:13 <backjlack> fiola: Thanks for the tip. I'll have to find it at some distributor.
May 31 18:21:30 <fiola> Farnell is available pretty much everywhere, and they don't price gouge -- http://uk.farnell.com/ftdi/ttl-232r-3v3/cable-usb-to-ttl-level-serial-conv/dp/1329311
May 31 18:21:49 <fiola> Just a happy customer
May 31 18:22:17 <backjlack> Ok, so mmcblk0 -> SD card, mmcblk1 -> NAND
May 31 18:22:32 <fiola> I'm sure there's cheaper elsewhere though, might be important to students on on a parents' allowance.
May 31 18:22:49 <Rickta59> only if you boot from the sd card backjlack
May 31 18:23:01 <Rickta59> if you boot from emmc it is reversed
May 31 18:23:48 <backjlack> Rickta59: I just wanted to mv MLO bak_MLO on the NAND so I boot by default off the uSD card.
May 31 18:25:28 <koen> it's eMMC
May 31 18:25:33 <koen> not nand
May 31 18:25:45 <koen> there's an FTL you cannot bypass
May 31 18:25:49 <kfoltman> koen: nand connected via eMMC?
May 31 18:26:00 <kfoltman> </pedantic>
May 31 18:27:00 <backjlack> http://pastie.org/private/jp8gzemodrttzevqwtwww
May 31 18:27:15 <backjlack> Can someone please confirm that's the MLO I should move?
May 31 18:27:57 <Rickta59> on /mnt? seems to be the eMMC
May 31 18:28:42 <backjlack> Yes, that was the goal - to have the eMMC mounted and move the MLO to a backup file so I can just boot off the uSD all the time.
May 31 18:29:06 <Rickta59> worse that happens is it doesn't work and you fix it
May 31 18:29:14 <kfoltman> backjlack: worst case, if you rename the wrong one, you can rename the one on your SD card back :)
May 31 18:29:31 <kfoltman> Rickta59: ^5 :)
May 31 18:30:18 <Rickta59> if you didn't have an sdcard to boot off .. well that would be bad
May 31 18:31:32 <kfoltman> Rickta59: I mean, you can use a PC with card reader to rename it back to MLO, can you not?
May 31 18:31:56 <backjlack> That's the right one.
May 31 18:32:19 <Rickta59> if he renames the MLO on eMMC and didn't have an sdcard i mean that would be bad
May 31 18:33:04 <kfoltman> Rickta59: at least, then you don't have any reason to doubt which MLO you're renaming ;)
May 31 18:33:41 <Rickta59> true .. just laying it out there in case his cat eats it between the time he renames it and trying to boot again
May 31 18:33:56 <backjlack> :)
May 31 18:34:09 <SpeedEvil> then your beagle would be catatonic.
May 31 18:34:10 * kfoltman lost his SD card... and he doesn't even have a cat :(
May 31 18:34:21 <backjlack> It's all good, I have a good reason to want to disable eMMC and always boot from the uSD.
May 31 18:34:21 <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: "catastrophic failure"?
May 31 18:34:26 <KotH> kfoltman: mice?
May 31 18:34:29 <KotH> kfoltman: rats?
May 31 18:34:34 <kfoltman> rats indeed!
May 31 18:34:34 <KotH> kfoltman: or even worse: kids?
May 31 18:34:46 <backjlack> I have to rebuild the kernel and I'll end up rebooting often.
May 31 18:34:51 <kfoltman> KotH: oh yes I have those
May 31 18:34:56 * fiola wonders whether concurrency Best Practice docs cover cats
May 31 18:35:00 <Rickta59> I think you can configure the uEnv.txt on your sdcard so you don't have to mess with eMMC
May 31 18:35:42 <Rickta59> i have a ubuntu image that always boots i don't hold down the button ..
May 31 18:35:55 <Rickta59> haven't looked at why but I'm guessing it is the uEnv.txt
May 31 18:36:39 <fiola> Rickta59: Lots of people have reported that, would be cool if it were documented on eLinux wiki
May 31 18:36:43 <joel_> ruchika: hi
May 31 18:36:56 <backjlack> That's an experiment worth the effort. So, I can rename it back to MLO and reboot. We'll find out what distro boots up. ;)
May 31 18:37:55 <ka6sox> joel_, +1
May 31 18:37:55 <kfoltman> backjlack: I guess, if it finds the MLO based on the first cluster in the filesystem and not the filename, then it will still boot the old OS
May 31 18:38:29 <joel_> ka6sox: what happened
May 31 18:38:35 <joel_> about ?
May 31 18:38:51 <fiola> Might be a bug from CircuitCo's PoV, but it's not a bug if that's what you want, a very useful persistent feature.
May 31 18:38:58 <mru> it uses the filename
May 31 18:41:04 <backjlack> Rickta59: It worked just as you've said it would!
May 31 18:41:17 <backjlack> It booted straight into Ubuntu.
May 31 18:41:24 <ka6sox> joel_, putting the information that Rickta59 was saying on elinux.org site
May 31 18:41:26 <fiola> Once we get BBB versions using the 8 gig eMMC device or larger, a way of selecting the boot partition will become very important.
May 31 18:41:53 <backjlack> Would it be possible to have eMMC modules?
May 31 18:41:55 <Rickta59> which filename mru ?
May 31 18:42:01 <joel_> ka6sox: ahh :)
May 31 18:42:14 <mru> mlo
May 31 18:42:35 <Rickta59> so if there is fat partition with MLO it will use that?
May 31 18:42:46 <backjlack> So, I've left MLO alone and it still booted to Ubuntu from the uSD card.
May 31 18:42:58 <backjlack> The uSD has MLO and uEnv.txt on it.
May 31 18:43:15 <mru> partition must be marked active too
May 31 18:43:26 <Rickta59> active or bootable?
May 31 18:43:41 <mru> same thing
May 31 18:44:10 <backjlack> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Method_1:_Download_a_Complete_Pre-Configured_Image
May 31 18:44:19 <backjlack> I've followed the steps for 13.04.
May 31 18:44:27 <ds2> did someone get a partially working tardis while I was out?
May 31 18:45:27 <mru> partially?
May 31 18:45:41 <mru> what do you take me for?
May 31 18:46:45 <ds2> AFAICT, you only have the time part working
May 31 18:47:04 <mru> oh yeah?
May 31 18:47:53 <Rickta59> i'm not seeing that with the 5-20 angstrom build i downloaded
May 31 18:48:08 <Rickta59> bleh nm yes i am
May 31 18:49:57 <Rickta59> so yeah it just works
May 31 18:51:25 <backjlack> This thing has Raspberry Pi for breakfast.
May 31 18:53:25 <m_billybob> afternoon all
May 31 18:53:58 <Rickta59> so if i wanted to write some baremetal arm code for the BBB i could just call it MRO and put it on the sdcard and boot?
May 31 18:54:07 <ssr> looks like the download link at https://s3.amazonaws.com/angstrom/demo/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.05.27.img.xz is not available
May 31 18:54:13 <ssr> it shows up an error
May 31 18:54:25 <m_billybob> Rick from what I have seen already you would call it from uboot
May 31 18:54:48 <m_billybob> e.g. call the program as a or through a uboot param
May 31 18:55:28 <m_billybob> I think the example I found, was for beagelboard XM, but it should be similar
May 31 18:55:37 * m_billybob looks for the link
May 31 18:56:00 <Rickta59> we were just talking about why unbuntu boots from the sdcard
May 31 18:56:46 <Rickta59> and it turns out so does angstrom and it all comes down to having a fat partion marked bootable and a file called MLO in there
May 31 18:57:05 <Rickta59> not MRO as i typed a few lines ago
May 31 18:58:55 <backjlack> I don't think I even managed to press boot in time to make it boot from uSD the first time.
May 31 18:59:25 <backjlack> So it just booted from the uSD card by default.
May 31 19:00:41 <m_billybob> Rick -> http://hardwarefreak.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/some-experience-with-the-beagleboard-xm-part-2/
May 31 19:03:30 <agt> Hello there
May 31 19:04:11 <agt> I have few questions regarding new beagleboard black, can anyone help me out
May 31 19:05:29 <thurgood> won't know until you ask
May 31 19:06:02 <agt> oops sorry
May 31 19:06:16 <agt> I want to use it for my next drone project
May 31 19:06:30 <agt> the website says 8 PWM are there
May 31 19:07:00 <agt> does that reduce my no of available digital pins?
May 31 19:07:05 <djlewis> now R/C planes have a new cool name "drone"
May 31 19:07:15 <thurgood> not sure if pwn is working in the current kernel or not
May 31 19:07:16 <agt> a good pinout diagram would be awesome :)
May 31 19:07:55 <thurgood> have you checked the SRM yet for pinout?
May 31 19:08:01 <fiola> djlewis: Anything that Google's Eric Schmidt hates is cool :P
May 31 19:08:07 <agt> @djlewis yeah lol, but it's gonna be autopilot, so drone may be appropirate
May 31 19:08:40 <agt> SRM?
May 31 19:09:00 <fiola> System Refe3rence Manual
May 31 19:09:03 <fiola> s/3//
May 31 19:10:08 <agt> thatk's let me check where it is :)
May 31 19:10:12 <thurgood> https://github.com/CircuitCo/BeagleBone-Black/blob/master/BBB_SRM.pdf?raw=true
May 31 19:10:56 <agt> @thrugood, thanks for saving me of searching that :)
May 31 19:16:05 <chemph> hello, anybody here?
May 31 19:19:31 <chemph> hello?
May 31 19:19:37 <dm8tbr> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
May 31 19:19:40 <agt> so I got my answer.
May 31 19:19:46 <agt> Thanks
May 31 19:20:00 <agt> BTW where can I confirm that PWM are working?
May 31 19:21:10 <chemph> I tested an application un Ubuntu with RT PREEMPT patch and Master software EtherLab and want to do the same on BeagleBoard as embedded system.
May 31 19:23:16 * mru is drinking green beer
May 31 19:26:27 <georgem> Can you apply pinctrl-0 to any device or does the device driver what to support it? For instance I'm trying to pinctrl-0 = <&emac0_pins>; in &cpsw_emac0, should this work?
May 31 19:26:40 <georgem> s/what/need/
May 31 19:33:48 <chemph> can anyboby tell me what I need for this or weather it is possible?
May 31 19:34:28 <thurgood> chemph: I didn't really understand what you're asking
May 31 19:35:39 <chemph> EtherLab is a open linux software master stack for industrial fieldbus ethercat. I test it with rt preempt patched ubuntu on desktop pc and want to try it on beaglebone if possible
May 31 19:36:47 <dm8tbr> chemph: what is your particular problem with doing so?
May 31 19:38:09 <_Sy_> I don't have much experience with Linux distributions, would I solve any problems by switching to another version of linux, is the there a table / comparison amongst the distribtuions available for BBB of what the issues are? what works and what doesn't?
May 31 19:38:58 * srl295 about to plug into the expansion pins for the first time..
May 31 19:39:38 <chemph> I am really new to beaglebone and do not have anything done with it. so maybe the first question is how can I get a Linux distri on the bard and can patch the Linux kernel with the RT_PREEMPT patch?
May 31 19:40:35 <dm8tbr> well it comes with angstrom and there is a kernel workflow for angstrom
May 31 19:42:12 <chemph> how to patch realtime patch?
May 31 19:43:32 <dm8tbr> chemph: by following the kernel workflow for angstrom
May 31 19:43:37 <fiola> chemph: The RT_PREEMPT patch isn't architecture-dependent, so the presumption is "Sure, why not".  But note that unless your real time requirements are pretty lax, it won't help too much (just gets rid of scheduling outliers while actually increasing your response latency a bit).  For really hardcore realtime on BB*, using the AM335x's PRUs.
May 31 19:44:07 <fiola> s/using/use/
May 31 19:44:22 <dm8tbr> can the PRUs access the ethernet port?
May 31 19:44:53 <fiola> Hmmm, good question.
May 31 19:44:58 <Russ> dm8tbr, dunno, but they could certainly help with any timestamping
May 31 19:45:06 <m_billybob> 74c TRM ;)
May 31 19:45:31 <dm8tbr> was just wondering as the ethernet forwarding seems to be the most timing critical
May 31 19:46:04 <dm8tbr> and yes, I'm aware the BBB only uses one of both ports
May 31 19:46:09 <mdp> as m_billybob points out..you can see the gemac in the pru0/1 constant table in the correct TRM
May 31 19:46:15 <mdp> so...yes
May 31 19:46:39 <chemph> fiola: what do you ment with hardcore realtime? what should I use in this case?
May 31 19:47:08 <chemph> Im thinking of 250µs cycle time with a jitter not higher as 20 µs
May 31 19:47:09 <georgem> Hrmmm.. I wonder why USB1_DRVBUS pinmux is set to 0x20 instead of 0x0. I guess it doesn't matter because it works anyway...
May 31 19:47:53 <fiola> chemph: hardcore == "OMG f'ing awesome", not an engineering metric. :P  But you can toggle a GPIO every 5 ns with PRUs, so it's no slouch.
May 31 19:48:50 <mru> pru should have eth access
May 31 19:49:42 <mdp> it does
May 31 19:49:51 <georgem> used for ethercat isn't it
May 31 19:50:03 <mdp> yes
May 31 19:50:09 <chemph> what are typical latncies?
May 31 19:50:14 <chemph> with rt preempt
May 31 19:50:19 <mdp> and as I said, it's in the constant table..because it was planned for
May 31 19:50:31 <fiola> PRU on 3359 can certainly access Ethernet, because it's used to support EtherCAT.  (Note that the AM3358 to which CircuitCo want to migrate eventually won't do that, think it's just a pinout limitation.)  But the AM3359 can.
May 31 19:51:01 * dm8tbr is not surprised that this was planned for :)
May 31 19:51:24 <dm8tbr> also dual ethernet points clearly into that direction
May 31 19:51:24 <fiola> Heh
May 31 19:52:00 * fiola wonders if dm8tbr has a nice conspiracy theory to livenm up the almost-weekend :P
May 31 19:52:19 * dm8tbr checks fefe's blog
May 31 19:52:41 <fiola> Almost nobody uses EtherCAT, but it sure is a nice potential for a SoC.
May 31 19:54:07 <georgem> You really only need the PRU for EtherCAT slave anyway and for slave devices the am335x is kind of overkill in a lot of ways. Most EtherCAT slave devices just bring back dumb I/O
May 31 19:54:57 <fiola> Kinda limited potential for a 1-NIC board, since you then have to use switches to distribute the EtherCAT.  It sure extracts the last drops of blood from the Ethernet fabric though.  High feelgood factor.
May 31 19:55:36 * SpeedEvil remembers making token ring ethernet
May 31 19:55:41 <SpeedEvil> Sell, sorta
May 31 19:55:45 <SpeedEvil> Well
May 31 19:55:48 <m_billybob> was noticing the ethernet on the bbb is no slouch though ( last night )
May 31 19:56:04 <SpeedEvil> You take the rx and tx pairs, and hook them in a daisychain between computers to avoid needing a hub
May 31 19:56:06 <m_billybob> 11.5MB.s reads over nfs isnt exactly slow for 10/100 ;)
May 31 19:56:12 <fiola> Heh, still have a pile of tonek ring cards here.  Some Guy Fawkes day I'll add them to the bonfire.
May 31 19:56:17 <fiola> token*
May 31 19:57:04 <mdp> do we have a consensus that the PRU can access Ethernet just like the TRM says now? :)
May 31 19:57:08 <mdp> Friday!
May 31 19:57:15 <georgem> heh
May 31 19:57:50 <fiola> "Friday consensus" isn't as reliable as "Mon-Thu consensus" :P
May 31 19:57:55 <m_billybob> mdp, make it commandment $ 1023
May 31 19:58:08 <m_billybob> ( or something )
May 31 19:59:22 <m_billybob> thou shalt not network without PRU
May 31 19:59:37 <mdp> On Fridays, if 11 people confirm what the TRM says, then it must be true.
May 31 19:59:48 <fiola> Very PRUdent
May 31 19:59:57 * m_billybob rols eyes
May 31 20:00:18 * fiola sings, "Dear PRUdence" ...
May 31 20:00:21 <mdp> and with that, pre beer:30 really has arrived
May 31 20:01:16 <m_billybob> only 13:00 here
May 31 20:01:17 <fiola> mdp: It's 9pm, you should be beyond the beer stage and into the hardcore by now
May 31 20:01:49 <m_billybob> with that said i have a garden callign my name for some "attention"
May 31 20:01:55 <m_billybob> bbl
May 31 20:02:01 * fiola waves
May 31 20:02:31 <mdp> fiola, 1600 here
May 31 20:02:42 <chemph> why more then 1 NIC? on Ubuntu PC I used 1 for EtherCAT
May 31 20:04:26 <fiola> Depends on your desired EtherCAT topology.  For smallest latency, three or more NICs will allow you to create a tree of nodes with log(N) latency scaling as N rises.
May 31 20:04:36 <chemph> I do not understand... EtherCAT with EtherLab software possible or not?
May 31 20:06:03 <Rickta59> youtube says possible
May 31 20:06:06 <Rickta59> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF8fHxd34yY
May 31 20:06:29 <Rickta59> in linux .. don't know
May 31 20:06:43 <fiola> Not seen that, cheers Rickta59
May 31 20:06:58 <Rickta59> starterware stuff .. not os related
May 31 20:08:05 <chemph> okay, but the youtube link is not etherlab, it's acronis software
May 31 20:08:21 <chemph> acontis
May 31 20:08:24 <Rickta59> you might want to google .. revealed a lot of info
May 31 20:08:26 <georgem> Speaking of second ethernet port I'm trying to setup pinmux settings for cpsw_emac0 but they seem to be getting completely ignored.
May 31 20:08:36 <georgem> err cpsw_emac1
May 31 20:08:46 <georgem> in device tree
May 31 20:10:47 <Rickta59> which beaglebone do you have chemph ? white? or black?
May 31 20:11:12 <chemph> black
May 31 20:12:16 <georgem> Any thing obviously wrong with this device tree snippet? http://pastebin.com/P06h9gDr
May 31 20:12:32 <Rickta59> much of what i find doesn't seem to indicate white or black or the chip being used
May 31 20:12:45 <Rickta59> you might post your question on e2e.ti.com forums
May 31 20:13:05 <georgem> Ah
May 31 20:13:08 <georgem> k
May 31 20:13:17 <Rickta59> heh .. that was for chemph sorry
May 31 20:13:22 <georgem> oh heh
May 31 20:14:36 <chemph> ;-)
May 31 20:16:03 <georgem> I guess I'll have to dig in to the guts of how this pinmux DT works to figure out why that snippet seems to be ignored while others I have like it seem to work fine. Maybe only certain devices can have pinctrl pins assigned to them?
May 31 20:19:56 <WA2EIN> anybody know where i can get an ftp client tarball to put ftp client on BBB ?
May 31 20:20:25 <Rickta59> cant
May 31 20:20:30 <Rickta59> can't use sftp?
May 31 20:21:05 <_Sy_> help...when I type "opkg list | grep nss", one of the packages displayed is "nss-dev", but when I try to install it with "opkg install nss-dev" I get wget: bad address `feeds.angstrom-distribution.org'
May 31 20:21:47 <georgem> _Sy_: Start by doing "opkg update"
May 31 20:22:27 <georgem> If that doesn't work you the feed URL is bad or you have a networking problem
May 31 20:22:27 <_Sy_> just tried that, get lots of download messages followed by "wget: bad address 'feeds.angstrom-distrubtion.org' for each
May 31 20:22:43 <WA2EIN> I had same problem today.  I had to re-boot to get address resolution
May 31 20:23:36 <WA2EIN> _Sy_ reboot and re-try
May 31 20:24:09 <_Sy_> just edited resolv.conf and added some dns entries, its updating now
May 31 20:25:06 <_Sy_> will try and install nss-dev again
May 31 20:25:30 <_Sy_> thats working to now.
May 31 20:26:15 <_Sy_> I get a whole bunch of unsatisfied recommendation for ... then it doesn't install, are these dependancies I need to install?
May 31 20:28:15 <mdp> bradfa, gentle ping!
May 31 20:29:54 <_Sy_> can anyone help with installing nss-dev ?
May 31 20:31:43 <georgem> unsatisfied recommendation?
May 31 20:31:59 <georgem> _Sy_: Put the output on pastebin
May 31 20:34:44 <_Sy_> Here it is http://pastebin.com/JimMpgiA
May 31 20:40:35 <thurgood> recommendations are not specifically necessary
May 31 20:42:06 <_Sy_> At the bottom is says "Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for nss-dev:  udev"
May 31 20:42:07 <mranostay> bradfa: fuzzy ping!
May 31 20:43:12 <mdp> gentle...be gentle
May 31 20:43:52 <_Sy_> udev is already installed, I'll try udev-dev
May 31 20:44:04 <bradfa> mranostay, boop beep bop dong
May 31 20:44:05 <mdp> mranostay, upstreaming tip for the day...if you've waited an entire 24 hours for a response to your patch..it's ok to annoy a maintainer by says "gentle ping?!"
May 31 20:44:16 <mdp> s/says/saying/
May 31 20:44:40 * bradfa is off to beer land, ta ta!
May 31 20:45:09 <_Sy_> when trying to install udev-dev, get the same message at the end saying it needs udev, but udev is already installed so why?
May 31 20:46:01 <Rickta59> what is your ultimate goal _Sy_ ?
May 31 20:46:38 <_Sy_> To build corosync.
May 31 20:49:05 <Rickta59> did you try a ubuntu image and apt-get install corosync?
May 31 20:50:26 <_Sy_> I haven't the only thing that worries me is having invested several days in getting this image set-up with mysql running correctly with HA, I'm don't want to hit some other issue with a differnet distribution.
May 31 20:50:36 <mranostay> mdp: ok i'll make note when submitting my board files
May 31 20:50:47 <mdp> +1
May 31 20:52:48 <Rickta59> k .. i've never used corosync or know what it is ..
May 31 20:53:04 <Rickta59> in the time it took me to ask and then type this is response
May 31 20:53:20 <Rickta59> is the time it too me to reboot the ubuntu sdcard and do a apt-get install corosycn
May 31 20:53:23 <Rickta59> is the time it too me to reboot the ubuntu sdcard and do a apt-get install corosync
May 31 20:53:42 <Rickta59> it loaded probably 20 libs
May 31 20:53:46 <_Sy_>  ok corosync is a cluster manager
May 31 20:54:18 <Rickta59> and is finished now
May 31 20:54:24 <_Sy_> I'll make up an image tomorrow on SD card with ubunto, I'll also create a copy of the image I have now.
May 31 20:55:11 <Rickta59> Corosync Cluster Engine, version '1.4.4'
May 31 20:55:17 <Rickta59> that is what it loaded
May 31 20:55:25 <_Sy_> thats it
May 31 20:55:49 <_Sy_> Any issues to be aware of with ubunto on BBB ?
May 31 20:55:54 <Rickta59> sure
May 31 20:56:02 <Rickta59> heh .. i'm sure everything has issues
May 31 20:56:19 <Rickta59> usually you don't know which one affect you until you try it
May 31 20:56:24 <_Sy_> Is there a list somewhere, just don't want to solve one problem only to hit another
May 31 20:56:37 <Rickta59> it took me like 10 minutes to get going with ubuntu
May 31 20:56:58 <Rickta59> i think your total investment will be less than the time you have spent asking question about angstrom here
May 31 20:57:13 <Rickta59> if it works for you great
May 31 20:57:27 <Rickta59> if not, then you really won't waste much time
May 31 20:57:36 <_Sy_> I have a ton of notes in evernote, will have a go with ubunto, thanks
May 31 20:57:53 <mranostay> koen: you have a spare 3d printed yoctopus around?
May 31 21:01:36 <_Sy_> Are they're any FAQ's or guides on installing ubunto on BBB ?
May 31 21:03:02 <Rickta59> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
May 31 21:04:09 <_Sy_> ty
May 31 21:04:51 <Rickta59> Method 1: Download a Complete Pre-Configured Image
May 31 21:04:55 <Rickta59> that is what i snagged
May 31 21:05:23 <Rickta59> https://github.com/RobertCNelson/omap-image-builder
May 31 21:06:24 <Rickta59> sudo ./setup_sdcard.sh --mmc /dev/sdX --uboot bone_dtb
May 31 21:06:40 <Rickta59> assuming you have a BBB
May 31 21:06:52 <_Sy_> got 2 :)
May 31 21:06:53 <Rickta59> and X needs to be the right sdcard
May 31 21:07:11 <Rickta59> and if you mess it up you can toast your harddrives
May 31 21:07:14 <Rickta59> so be careful
May 31 21:08:07 <_Sy_> So are you preparing the SD card from the BBB ?
May 31 21:08:16 <Rickta59> no on my x86 pc
May 31 21:08:43 <Rickta59> with a usb sd card reader/writer
May 31 21:09:38 <_Sy_> ok, will give it a go
May 31 21:10:35 <mranostay> Rickta59: you made the right processor choice there
May 31 21:10:51 <Rickta59> the x86?
May 31 21:10:57 <mranostay> yes
May 31 21:12:39 <Rickta59> heh .. it is mr intel .. you should change your nick
May 31 21:13:46 <Rickta59> how does beaglebone fit into intel strategy?
May 31 21:15:45 <awozniak> I'm currently running OMAP ISP with AEWB, AF, etc... off.  How do I turn them on?
May 31 21:18:38 <_Sy_> ty for help...will be off to try some stuff now.
May 31 21:32:02 <WA2EIN> Rickta59 you have Ubuntu running  on a BBB ?
May 31 21:32:19 <Rickta59> yeah
May 31 21:32:26 <Rickta59> those steps i just outlined
May 31 21:32:53 <mranostay> Rickta59: it doesn't :)
May 31 21:33:15 <Rickta59> what doesn't mranostay ?
May 31 21:33:55 <WA2EIN> Rickta59 did u get an image or did u build yourself?   Angstrom is pathetic
May 31 21:34:23 <Rickta59> i just grabbed an image
May 31 21:34:43 <Rickta59> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
May 31 21:34:55 <WA2EIN> Rickta59 from where & how did you flash MMMc
May 31 21:35:15 <m_billybob> WA2EIN. theres also ubuntu/debian from scratch instructions by the same guy too
May 31 21:35:28 * m_billybob is currently runningdebian "from scratch
May 31 21:35:40 <m_billybob> e.g. compile uboot and kernel from source
May 31 21:36:24 <m_billybob> although hmm i wonder which method has more fetures ?
May 31 21:36:24 <WA2EIN> TY
May 31 21:36:32 <m_billybob> features*
May 31 21:37:41 <m_billybob> Rick so are you still running ubuntu or Angstrom ? switching between the two ?
May 31 21:37:52 <Rickta59> i have a couple of cards
May 31 21:37:57 <Rickta59> switch between them
May 31 21:38:01 <Rickta59> trying out different things
May 31 21:38:46 <m_billybob> ah, so is bbb for GF desktop still a possible future ?
May 31 21:39:53 <m_billybob> Rick, btw I saw a video the other night, the bbb running android with a 7" HD LCD, running need for speed shift. Seems someone ported OGL to the bbb for android
May 31 21:39:56 <Rickta59> i gave up on that i sent off her laptop to dell
May 31 21:40:05 <m_billybob> wodner how long it'll take to get into real Linux
May 31 21:40:45 <m_billybob> if it wasnt OGL, it was runnign dahmed smooth.
May 31 21:41:28 <Rickta59> does ti have to supply the ogl driver? or is that from someone else?
May 31 21:41:59 <m_billybob> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FebYqMws0g4
May 31 21:42:10 <m_billybob> dont know im under the assumption yes
May 31 21:43:34 <m_billybob> err im assuming yes*
May 31 21:46:26 <Rickta59> https://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/HowtoUseSGXunderAngstrom
May 31 21:47:03 <Rickta59> seems old and not related to the 3.8 kernel though
May 31 21:48:31 <m_billybob> yeah
May 31 21:48:50 <m_billybob> Oh well presently i have no need for ogl personally
May 31 21:49:04 <m_billybob> later, maybe
May 31 21:49:14 <m_billybob> the bbb cold make a nice portable gaming system.
May 31 21:49:19 <m_billybob> could*
May 31 21:49:46 <m_billybob> I wonder how well MAME32 games would play on it
May 31 21:50:03 <m_billybob> might be somethign interresting to toy with
May 31 21:51:59 <m_billybob> heh -> "Microsoft's share price has reached record highs in spite of criticism over Windows 8. Does Wall Street finally believe Microsoft message that it's no longer dependent on Windows?" does anyone really care ?
May 31 21:52:13 <risc> hey all, finally got round to getting a micro HDMI cable and while trying to firing up my Black I get no image at all (it works fine using the USB connection)... is this a known issue? or should I just RMA the board? cheers!
May 31 21:52:22 <m_billybob> and gramar nazi here "heights" not highs
May 31 21:52:31 <kfoltman> well, Wall Street believed in SCO after everyone else knew it'd been a scam
May 31 21:52:43 <Rickta59> micro HDMI into what?
May 31 21:52:58 <risc> ... a beaglebone black and a tv :P
May 31 21:53:12 <Rickta59> powering with wall wart?
May 31 21:53:16 <risc> yes
May 31 21:53:22 <Rickta59> mouse / keyboard?
May 31 21:53:26 <risc> nope
May 31 21:53:44 <m_billybob> risc, ther hae been multiple discussion on the beagleboard groups. Gerald as of late startign hitting on possibly some cheesy cables arent properly gournded
May 31 21:54:02 <Rickta59> you have a recent image?
May 31 21:54:07 <m_billybob> risc, also i think ( but am not sure ) one guy corrected the issue by plugging in USB betwen PC and bbb
May 31 21:54:25 <risc> Rickta59: Angstrom from May 20
May 31 21:54:33 <Rickta59> i had my ftdi plugged in ..
May 31 21:54:53 <Rickta59> even though it wasn't connect to usb .. * i didn't want to have to put back on the jumper wires
May 31 21:55:00 <Rickta59> and they prevented it from working
May 31 21:55:14 <Rickta59> once i disconneced the ftdi .. it worked
May 31 21:55:34 <Rickta59> not immediate .. first you see boot message ( black and whie )
May 31 21:55:42 <Rickta59> then you see a busy mouse
May 31 21:55:45 <Rickta59> then the screen
May 31 21:56:45 <fiola> Connecting computers/boards to TVs is a lottery exercise, unfortunately.  In the Pi world, there's no shortage of reports of TVs being killed by the HDMI connection.  It might be good to include a section about known-compatible TVs on eLinux, although given the price of BBB, that might be a bit like the tail wagging the dog.  Still, knowing TV manufacturers that get it right is a good thing.
May 31 21:57:48 <SpeedEvil> I wonder how many of these are due to terribly isolated USB PSUs
May 31 21:57:48 <Rickta59> i did hear some high pitched sounds a couple of times and pull the connection for fear of smoke
May 31 21:57:49 <mru> back when I was working on set top boxes, we had no end of trouble with slightly out of spec TVs
May 31 21:58:00 <risc> m_billybob: well that's weird, I plugged the USB in like you mentioned and it booted... :-/
May 31 21:58:26 <mru> once we had to have directv send us the particular tv they were reporting issues with
May 31 21:58:49 <risc> maybe I spoke too soon, I saw the BeagleBone logo... now it's just flashing HDMI messages and nothing else :)
May 31 21:58:50 <mru> which had two positive effects
May 31 21:58:56 <mru> firstly, we could make it work
May 31 21:58:57 <m_billybob> risc, so its working ? from what i understood, and im no EE, it has somethign to do with common ground
May 31 21:59:00 <Rickta59> move your mouse
May 31 21:59:06 <mru> secondly, they didn't have it and couldn't report more issues
May 31 21:59:33 <fiola> risc: Oh that's good news, so HDMI is actually getting through.
May 31 22:00:39 <fiola> I think it says somewhere in SRM that HDMI may come up with the screen off owing to inactivity.
May 31 22:00:47 <Rickta59> even on my monitor .. hdmi->vga .. it appeared shortly
May 31 22:00:56 <Rickta59> but wasn't really working as it sucked too much power
May 31 22:01:05 <Rickta59> and then would shutdown
May 31 22:01:51 <m_billybob> Yeah i read anotherpost where a guy was using a benchsupply @ 3A, was having issues then he bought a good 3A walwart->barrel plug and it started working
May 31 22:02:17 <m_billybob> the bbb can at times suck a lot of power
May 31 22:02:18 <Rickta59> it tells you in the SRM not to use an hdmi->vga adapter
May 31 22:02:24 <Rickta59> missed that
May 31 22:02:29 <m_billybob> ewps
May 31 22:02:38 <Rickta59> hdmi->dvd-d ok
May 31 22:02:51 <SpeedEvil> Rickta59: that's as it may not work unless its unusual
May 31 22:02:57 <risc> yeah I mght try getting something running at more than 1A, because no matter what I do I'm just gettig a flashing HDMI connection on the TV (like it's connecting/disconnecting)
May 31 22:03:07 <SpeedEvil> most hdmi-vga adaptors are just cables
May 31 22:03:22 <m_billybob> risc, you may try posting on the groups and or poke around
May 31 22:03:25 <SpeedEvil> you need something active
May 31 22:03:35 <m_billybob> risc, its a fairly hot topic on the beagleboard groups
May 31 22:04:19 <risc> m_billybob: all I really want to do is pull an IP, I don't really care about video out (everything here except my notebook) runs headless... the only reason I connected it to the TV was there is a switch right next to it :)
May 31 22:04:34 <fiola> Quick poll of HDMI displays that work?   Dell 2408 monitors here, work perfectly with BBB.
May 31 22:04:34 <m_billybob> risc, g-ether not working ?
May 31 22:05:12 <risc> m_billybob: I'm sure it is, I was just trying to do it the quick way (ie look at a screen get my ip) :)
May 31 22:05:33 <m_billybob> lol just ssh into 192.168.7.2
May 31 22:05:38 <m_billybob> or try to
May 31 22:05:42 <m_billybob> over USB that is
May 31 22:05:57 <risc> yeah I just did that, ifconfig to the rescue
May 31 22:06:04 <mru> aaaaargh
May 31 22:06:10 <fiola> tsk tsk.  iproute2
May 31 22:06:29 <mru> aaah, feel better now
May 31 22:06:41 * fiola giggles.  Coffee time
May 31 22:06:59 <mru> it's well past beer o'clock here
May 31 22:07:18 <m_billybob> [15:07] <mru> it's well past beer o'clock here <--- note time here
May 31 22:07:31 * risc looks up iproute2...
May 31 22:07:37 <risc> I'm a BSD user we don't have that :P
May 31 22:07:43 <mru> m_billybob: what a terrible place you must be
May 31 22:07:45 <m_billybob> although nothing is stipping me from waking up at 7am and partaking
May 31 22:07:54 <m_billybob> stopping*
May 31 22:09:49 <m_billybob> SO, no one here has had experience with spoofing or atleast temp changing bluetooth MACs ?
May 31 22:10:46 <m_billybob> I have 4 dongles, all with the same MAC, would like to test between two but . . .
May 31 22:11:16 <m_billybob> debian seg faults and windows just say "hey you dumbass, buy a real dongle"
May 31 22:12:06 <m_billybob> thats is if i attempt to connect the two together
May 31 22:12:24 <risc> m_billybob: if you were using FreeBSD sure :P
May 31 22:14:29 <fiola> <m_billybob> debian seg faults and windows just say "hey you dumbass, buy a real dongle"
May 31 22:14:35 <fiola> Laughed out loud :P
May 31 22:14:43 <fiola> Still amm
May 31 22:15:15 <m_billybob> yeah its funy now for me too
May 31 22:15:26 <m_billybob> last night i was a bit perturbed
May 31 22:16:09 <m_billybob> I spent like 4 hours messing with it, and since I have like no BT hands on . . . i did not know what was happening, then it dawned on me. "hey, these two devices have the same MAC . . ."
May 31 22:17:26 <m_billybob> they'll probably be fine for the purpose we bought them for but since i had no bt hands on was hoping i could connect between my widnows machine and the bbb to do some testing
May 31 22:18:01 <m_billybob> found some code though that *may* beable to spoof the MAC dont know yet
May 31 22:20:52 <m_billybob> fiola, thouh maybe you know this. if i setup a PAN, would the device MAC matter then ? between two machines.
May 31 22:21:53 <m_billybob> its my understanding whe nyou do this then you assign an ipv4 address to the "virtual device" but again i dotn righly know
May 31 22:22:41 <wuzat> So I'm reading the 3.8 docs (awesome! :D )
May 31 22:22:58 <wuzat> i see "The only information that the cape manager uses to work are the part-number and the revision."
May 31 22:23:11 <wuzat> so, does this mean no pin info is loaded from the eeprom?
May 31 22:23:52 <wuzat> err, I guess the question is, what's the use of the pin mux info in the eeprom?
May 31 22:25:59 <mhaberler> before I reinvent: anybody have a Python fragment to parse the output of   /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots  ?
May 31 22:30:45 <wuzat> "What you get for the change is the ability to create any kind of device without having to recompile the kernel.:
May 31 22:30:55 <wuzat> I thought this was the whole purpose behind kernel modules :P
May 31 22:38:51 <m_billybob> wuzat perhaps so but sometimes even kernel modules need the kernel to be recompiled
May 31 22:40:06 <m_billybob> wuzat, like right now for me. I wanted to get iSCSI runnon on the bbb running debian. no kernel module availible, so what it my option right now ? Although in this case, i dont think DT would help any
May 31 22:41:36 <m_billybob> build kernel once, DT any number of pinmux overlays, or something to that effect.
May 31 22:42:00 * m_billybob is still learning too
May 31 22:47:05 <mhaberler> capemanager: must all DTO's reside in /lib/firmware or can it be told to look in an additional directory too?
May 31 22:51:18 <fiola> m_billybob:  I don't know.  I wrote client software for Bluetooth to interface a portable device, but never did any messing around with MAC addresses.
May 31 22:51:28 <fiola> (Old question, sorry)
May 31 22:52:04 <m_billybob> np i suspect it should work but not sure about lower level layers concerning networking and MAC addresses
May 31 22:52:28 <m_billybob> e.g. once using TCP/IP do MACs get passed around ?
May 31 22:52:45 <fiola> Damn hope not, lol, that would break the model.
May 31 22:53:05 <m_billybob> well i know a good bit abotu networking but yeah, wasnt sure
May 31 22:55:09 <m_billybob> will probably give it a go later this evening. will give me yet more to blog about
May 31 22:55:30 <fiola> But Bluetooth is a bit bit wierd, so who knows.  It has some odd notions about bandwidth and maximum number of connections because it uses frequency hopping instead of DSSS as in wifi, so don't really know how it behaves as a pure IP transport.
May 31 22:56:45 <m_billybob> well once a BT device is mapped to an ipv4 address i think it will become moot. i hope so anyhow
May 31 22:57:06 * fiola agrees ... with gingers crossed
May 31 22:57:11 <fiola> And fingers too
May 31 22:57:57 <m_billybob> only other issue im confronted with right now, is that we already have a DHCP server on the network and i believe PAN in this case will requite me setting up a DHCP server adn iptables
May 31 22:58:35 <m_billybob> thats where things get "hairy" to me, butcause im not an expert
May 31 22:58:51 <m_billybob> not by a longshot
May 31 22:59:10 <fiola> Well, if you use 100m spec Bluetooth, then yeah, you'd better think about security.  If not, stick to 10m, and look out for suspicious lurkers :P
May 31 22:59:14 <m_billybob> oh and hmmm dhcp server would have to be on the bbb dahm yeah that isnt going to cut it
May 31 22:59:56 <_Sy_> Does anyone else with more Angstrom experience want to try and build corosync ?
May 31 23:00:07 <m_billybob> well there is also a "serial interface" option
May 31 23:00:19 <fiola> Ughh, rfcomm
May 31 23:00:24 * m_billybob nods
May 31 23:00:30 <m_billybob> not usre if that uses MAC or not
May 31 23:00:31 <fiola> I use it to interface to GPS units.
May 31 23:01:36 <m_billybob> oh you know though i saw a really cool article on a BT usecase last night
May 31 23:01:54 <fiola> It's 2 minutes past midnight and hence officially weekend, so I refuse to talk about rfcomm or RS232 :P
May 31 23:01:58 <m_billybob> using a keyboard to lock / unlock a computer
May 31 23:01:59 <_Sy_> http://clusterlabs.org/wiki/SourceInstall
May 31 23:02:04 <m_billybob> err
May 31 23:02:11 <m_billybob> cellphone not keyboard sorry
May 31 23:03:02 <m_billybob> so like at work instead of typing in a passwd everytime you come back to the PC it'll unlock your PC for you once your within a specified range
May 31 23:03:18 <m_billybob> leave range, it locks the PC out
May 31 23:03:29 <m_billybob> pretty cool usecase i thought
May 31 23:04:19 <fiola> Even better, chmods all your ssh private keys to 000 when you walk out of range, so no new sessions.
May 31 23:04:40 <mru> pointless
May 31 23:04:58 <mru> you should have them password protected
May 31 23:05:14 <mru> and if there's an agent running, file permissions don't matter
May 31 23:05:52 <fiola> They're already passphrase protected if you have any sense, and the agent can be made conditional on the keys being readable.
May 31 23:06:03 <mru> m_billybob: I read that as "leave in rage"
May 31 23:06:09 <fiola> Haha
May 31 23:06:20 <m_billybob> lol
May 31 23:06:30 <mru> you can of course make the agent drop the keys when you walk off
May 31 23:06:41 <m_billybob> mru, naw leave in range, and bt would set off the thermo nuke you left in the basement ;)
May 31 23:07:07 <m_billybob> not really but whatever
May 31 23:07:38 * m_billybob has bad habit of trunctating sentances
May 31 23:07:53 <fiola> Me t
May 31 23:08:11 <m_billybob> ;)
May 31 23:08:13 <mru> m_billybob: good thing you're not in charge of the prison
May 31 23:08:46 <m_billybob> mru, good thing im not a grammar teacher as well ;)
May 31 23:09:11 <mru> school, prison.. all the same
May 31 23:09:28 <m_billybob> now days i can not say I would argue with that one bit
May 31 23:09:42 <mru> I never said I did either
May 31 23:09:58 <jasonjf> Hello quick question, does anybody know of any touchscreens for the beaglebone black? has anybody tried to interface the Olimex touchscreens with the beaglebone black?
May 31 23:10:07 <mru> and you're right, prisons are far too lax these days
May 31 23:10:24 <jasonjf> wait we're talking about prisons
May 31 23:10:27 <jasonjf> ?
May 31 23:10:27 <m_billybob> and school far too confining
May 31 23:10:33 <m_billybob> schools*
May 31 23:10:46 <mru> and we're apparently confusing
May 31 23:10:46 <jasonjf> has somebody here actually been to prison?
May 31 23:11:07 <jasonjf> theyre no picnic
May 31 23:11:29 <m_billybob> ive been to that island prison across the baty from SF
May 31 23:11:30 <mru> my then-boss went to jail once
May 31 23:11:32 <m_billybob> does that count ?
May 31 23:11:44 <jasonjf> I just got out of a federal prison I spent 5 years in...im lucky to have survived
May 31 23:11:45 <m_billybob> ( on a tour )
May 31 23:12:13 <m_billybob> dont go back.
May 31 23:12:14 <jasonjf> yeh i've visted Alcatraz- that was fun
May 31 23:12:19 <mru> jasonjf: I'm sure it's no joke being on the inside
May 31 23:12:35 <jasonjf> not planning on it..
May 31 23:12:45 <mru> so whatever you did, don't do it again
May 31 23:13:14 <jasonjf> ah well.. I was collateral damage in the so called war on drugs.
May 31 23:13:22 <mru> sucks
May 31 23:13:56 <jasonjf> was actually sentenced to 147 months.. But ended up proving it was a trumped up charge...got out little under a year ago after being in there 60 months
May 31 23:14:13 <jasonjf> but anyway thats besides the point
May 31 23:14:20 <jasonjf> im working on this beaglebone black thing now..
May 31 23:14:23 <mru> yes, you were saying touchscreens
May 31 23:14:34 <jasonjf> which reminds me- does anybody here know anything about touchscreens for it?
May 31 23:14:42 <m_billybob> jasonjf there is one on toutube its not omnilex but
May 31 23:14:49 <m_billybob> youtube*
May 31 23:14:54 <m_billybob> demonstrating android
May 31 23:15:00 <mru> did you have a particular one in mind?
May 31 23:15:09 <mru> or are you asking for recommendations?
May 31 23:15:09 <jasonjf> hmm... yeh my application would need android.
May 31 23:15:34 <mru> pretty much anything with a reasonable interface should work
May 31 23:15:47 <m_billybob> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FebYqMws0g4
May 31 23:16:02 <m_billybob> they're just showing it off but i think its a fairly nice demo
May 31 23:16:06 <jasonjf> well i was originally gonna go with the olinuxino A13 wifi board- but it turned out to be freaking huge... but I already bought both that and the board, so im trying to atleast use the screen if possible
May 31 23:16:27 <jasonjf> thanks for the link m_billybob- im checking it out now
May 31 23:16:51 <mru> if it has linux drivers and an interface you can connect, it should work fine
May 31 23:17:03 <m_billybob> chipsee is who that is, whoever they are.
May 31 23:17:10 <mru> is it spi or what?
May 31 23:17:23 <m_billybob> hdmi as far as I can tell
May 31 23:17:24 <jasonjf> whoa supercool..
May 31 23:17:35 <mru> hdmi is the video output
May 31 23:17:38 <mru> that's easy
May 31 23:17:40 <m_billybob> has ogl support too or so it seems to me
May 31 23:17:59 <jasonjf> I think its the i2c stuff that gets complex
May 31 23:18:08 <m_billybob> mru has hdmi audio too i think
May 31 23:18:14 <mru> yeah, yeah
May 31 23:18:18 <mru> it's still output
May 31 23:18:29 <jasonjf> for example a touchscreen driver for android designed for that screen may not work on a version of android that runs on another chip
May 31 23:18:30 <mru> the tricky part with touchscreens is the input
May 31 23:18:40 <jasonjf> am i right to think that the touchscreen drivers are chip specific?
May 31 23:18:41 <m_billybob> yup, its connected to the bbb though, for axis sensing etc of the screen
May 31 23:18:55 <m_billybob> and yes has touchscreen
May 31 23:19:25 <m_billybob> jasonjf, i dont know.
May 31 23:19:30 <m_billybob> mru may
May 31 23:19:53 <m_billybob> im still a linux dev newb
May 31 23:19:58 <jasonjf> https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A13/A13-LCD43TS/
May 31 23:20:01 <m_billybob> and will probably remain one for quite some time
May 31 23:20:07 <mru> video output and touch input are completely separate things
May 31 23:20:21 <jasonjf> well I was hoping to run Android on the Beagelbone
May 31 23:20:55 <kaektech> jasonjf: have you looked at the rowboat project?
May 31 23:21:03 <m_billybob> jasonjf, well you know .. .you can buy these really cheap 1.9" color TFTs off ebay, if you just wanted somethignto tpy with
May 31 23:21:09 <m_billybob> those are SPI interface
May 31 23:21:31 <m_billybob> require like 8 pins if i remember right
May 31 23:22:18 <m_billybob> dont think they're touch screen though
May 31 23:22:42 <jasonjf> is the rowboat project the android distro for beaglebone?
May 31 23:22:52 * m_billybob doesnt know
May 31 23:22:53 <kaektech> jasonjf: they have JB available for the blanco bone, don't know about black. It is also about as stable as plutonium
May 31 23:23:17 <jasonjf> hey thanks kaektech. Will check that out
May 31 23:23:31 <jasonjf> yeh will consider that@ m_billybob
May 31 23:23:33 <kaektech> It boots, but don't expect much.
May 31 23:24:04 <jasonjf> the chipsee video appears to show a fully functional Android rom
May 31 23:25:43 <m_billybob> anyhow, im startign ot get very hungry, need to go forage for some food
May 31 23:25:45 <m_billybob> bbl
May 31 23:26:22 <kaektech> videos can be deceiving, but I don't know if they've made their own tweaks.
May 31 23:26:42 <jasonjf> Aight m billybob thanks for the help
May 31 23:28:26 <jasonjf> so is there any Android rom that can just be flashed to the NAND on the beaglebone black and have it boot up?
May 31 23:28:46 <jasonjf> because the specs says it runs android so i would assume that they have a distro
May 31 23:29:07 <jasonjf> or i guess rom would be the better word
May 31 23:30:24 <kaektech> No, the xda goons kanged ROM. distro is better, and like I said, check the rowboat project for details
May 31 23:31:56 <kaektech> my $.02 is that the bones aren't really a good platform for android.
May 31 23:32:04 <kaektech> or xbmc
May 31 23:32:31 <kaektech> or a desktop replacement
May 31 23:35:43 <kaektech> mrpackethead: the postal carrier dropped a green slab of love in my box today! Many thanks!
May 31 23:35:56 <mrpackethead> cool
May 31 23:36:04 <mrpackethead> they all seem to be turning up
May 31 23:36:07 <mrpackethead> thats good
May 31 23:36:14 <mrpackethead> its a tricky queston.
May 31 23:36:25 <mrpackethead> do you send a $14 board in a $20 tracked package
May 31 23:36:33 <mrpackethead> or do you send it by post and hope it gets there
May 31 23:36:41 <mrpackethead> well, if any go mising theres a few left over
May 31 23:36:46 <kaektech> Unfortunately, I didn't get my order to digi in time for the weekend
May 31 23:36:57 <mrpackethead> and i dont think the average postal worker would steal FPGA pcbs
May 31 23:37:01 <mrpackethead> :-)
May 31 23:37:04 <kaektech> heh!
May 31 23:39:55 <kaektech> have you messed about with it much beyond the blinking led example?
May 31 23:44:10 <fiola> kaektech:  Best platform for Android is a tablet. :P  But if you want to give an embedded app an Android interface, or just want to mess around with Android on a general purpose ARM board, BBB seems to be at least reasonable.
May 31 23:49:11 <kaektech> I guess my experience has been that all of the android ports for the bone ive found in the wild have been complete dreck.
May 31 23:50:31 <fiola> :-(
May 31 23:51:41 <mru> no surprise there
May 31 23:52:12 <maxinux> all images ive found so far in general have sucked
May 31 23:52:21 <maxinux> angstrom has been the best.. i have ubuntu how i like it almost
May 31 23:53:13 <m_billybob>  i do not think i would use android on anything
May 31 23:53:25 <maxinux> same
May 31 23:53:56 <m_billybob> with all the android bs in the new over the last few months i think id rather go with something that had windows rt on it
May 31 23:54:02 <m_billybob> ( sicne i dont like apple )
May 31 23:54:09 <m_billybob> in the news*
May 31 23:54:10 <maxinux> lol
May 31 23:54:20 <maxinux> id take apple over goog over msft still
May 31 23:54:21 <fiola> m_billybob: If you had an embedded app that required an iconic touchscreen interface, what would you use?
May 31 23:54:23 <mru> apples are essential for making cider
May 31 23:54:32 <mru> unless you're making pear cider of course
May 31 23:54:40 <maxinux> i need to try making a cyser
May 31 23:54:46 <maxinux> once my hops mature
May 31 23:55:01 <m_billybob> fiola, id have to give it some thought
May 31 23:55:14 <m_billybob> fiola maybe android but id be giving other options a serious look first
May 31 23:56:55 <fiola> m_billybob:  I tend to agree.  Android is too inwardly focused, a product of the Java "One True Language" thinking.  It should really just have been a middleware API, not a whole user-side O/S.
May 31 23:56:57 <m_billybob> mainly what im ticked off about lately is googles market scheme with android
May 31 23:57:26 <_Sy_> Is it possible to cross platform develop on windows for BBB running Angstrom?
May 31 23:57:32 <fiola> Oh yeah, Google stinks nowadays, but I'm just talking about the tech of Android.
May 31 23:57:40 <m_billybob> you're locked into their store and the store hits developers up for 30-35% fee for putting apps on the sstore
May 31 23:57:46 <m_billybob> whcih is no different than apple or ms
May 31 23:57:52 <m_billybob> but atleast MS is a good OS
May 31 23:58:09 <m_billybob> is/ has whatever
May 31 23:58:15 <_Sy_> I use to be an Android developer about two years ago, until one day out of the blue they suspended my account.
May 31 23:58:50 <fiola> Closed, hence no matter how "good" the API may be, it's a liability.  So I wouldn't say "good", but possibly "effective" under some circumstances.
May 31 23:58:59 <_Sy_> And being google, they're is pretty much nothing you can do about it.
May 31 23:59:07 <fiola> _Sy_++
May 31 23:59:59 <_Sy_> The only clever thing about Android is the way intents work....you basically say to the OS, I want to do something with an intent, and the OS selects the most suitable service to perform that task.
May 31 23:59:59 <fiola> Same with all your use ouf their apps, their Account, and everything else.  Google is a massive liability.  I've been working to get off them, it's like getting off drugs, hard.  But necessary
Jun 01 00:00:09 <m_billybob> fiola, good meanign the OSes are polished and usually run well if you learn how to use them. Some would argue that Windows in insecure, but name me an OS that the average user couldnt fuck up
Jun 01 00:01:33 <kaektech> around my parts, everyone LOVES El Goog, but then again, they bring us the gig fiber
Jun 01 00:01:41 <fiola> "Polished" is perhaps the best word for it, aye.  But a liability nevertheless, so you have to weigh it up, pros vs cons.
Jun 01 00:02:08 <m_billybob> what pros and cons
Jun 01 00:02:15 <m_billybob> its an OS made by humans ;)
Jun 01 00:02:28 <m_billybob> as is linjux, OSX etc etc
Jun 01 00:02:28 <fiola> Pro: "polish".  Cons:  "everything else"
Jun 01 00:02:41 <m_billybob> yeah i think you're being a bit harsh
Jun 01 00:03:29 <m_billybob> closed source -> bad(arguable) costs money -> bad ( arguable)
Jun 01 00:03:45 <m_billybob> insecure. compared to the linux kernel. definatlt
Jun 01 00:03:53 <m_billybob> definately*
Jun 01 00:04:30 <fiola> m_billybob: I don't think so.  I'm not a basher of anything, nor a fanboi of anything, just look at each thing separately.  MS has a few good things like polish (and the company's R&D division is awesome, pity it rarely markets anything), but mostly it's a liability.
Jun 01 00:04:55 <m_billybob> same with me fiola
Jun 01 00:05:02 <fiola> Google is *much* more dangerous than MS.
Jun 01 00:05:14 <_Sy_> bed time, nite all
Jun 01 00:05:18 <m_billybob> well MS doesnt control a large portion of the internet ( yet )
Jun 01 00:05:19 <fiola> NN _Sy_
Jun 01 00:05:23 <m_billybob> nini
Jun 01 00:05:58 <m_billybob> MS wasnt founded by  US federal agents
Jun 01 00:06:03 <m_billybob> ( also )
Jun 01 00:06:14 <kaektech> 20 years ago people bemoaned WinTel as the death of the computer, and freedom.
Jun 01 00:06:28 <kaektech> RMS hasn't showered since.
Jun 01 00:07:05 <fiola> Not funny, kaektech
Jun 01 00:07:07 <kaektech> But Linux is arguably the most deployed OS on the planet, controlled by neither Google or MS
Jun 01 00:07:23 <m_billybob> maybe that i couldnt say
Jun 01 00:07:44 <m_billybob> I see good in almost all OSes
Jun 01 00:07:56 <m_billybob> except WinME that was a PoS no matter how you looked at it
Jun 01 00:08:28 <mru> http://xkcd.com/323/
Jun 01 00:09:02 <fiola> mru: highly appropriate for Friday night :P
Jun 01 00:09:06 <m_billybob> just that my personal preference when it comes to desktops id rather use windows. for anythign serious for servers, it'd definately be linux, and most likely debian
Jun 01 00:10:24 <fiola> Desktops are almost entirely subjective.  There is no better or worse, there is only personal preference.
Jun 01 00:10:46 <m_billybob> id even possibly enjoy OSX if it doesnt come with that over expensive hardware that was attached to it
Jun 01 00:10:58 <m_billybob> good hardware mind you, but not worth what apple charges for it by a long shot
Jun 01 00:11:53 <fiola> I might not even mind the Apple tax.  I do however mind the community and hype that comes with it, so no Apple stuff here.
Jun 01 00:12:00 <m_billybob> fiola, well thats kind of my point. All OSes are a personal prefernce, even for servers. some lean one way other lean the other
Jun 01 00:12:34 <m_billybob> in my own mind though short of domain controllers maybe . . . NIX is where it needs to be
Jun 01 00:13:23 <m_billybob> ive been a long time standing anti apple advocate. Hence when all the fanboi's got relieved of their CC fund i had a good laugh on the inside
Jun 01 00:14:23 <m_billybob> Yet im still wondering if those apple fanatics are still feeling all warm and fuzzy inside ;)
Jun 01 00:14:29 <m_billybob> or if they actually learned something
Jun 01 00:14:58 <fiola> I'd be equally anti Linux if Linus or the foundation started to shut down our freedoms or options.  But by some incredible miracle, that hasn't happened.  (yet)
Jun 01 00:15:13 <m_billybob> dont get me wrong, if you know how to use it, if thats what you like go for it I say but dont shovel some garbage down my throat telling me it'll be more secure no matter what you do with it because it says "apple" on it lol
Jun 01 00:16:57 <fiola> It got dangerously close to happening with UEFI though.  The jury is still out on that one.  Fingers crossed, toes too.
Jun 01 00:17:12 <m_billybob> hmm not sure ive heard of that
Jun 01 00:17:36 <m_billybob> no surprise though i stipped paying close attention to any news lately
Jun 01 00:17:41 <m_billybob> stopped*
Jun 01 00:17:41 <fiola> Oh, er.  Not now, I'm in weekend mood :P
Jun 01 00:18:03 <fiola> All is sweetness and light :P
Jun 01 00:18:17 <m_billybob> my most recent news that I enjoyed seeing was hmmm
Jun 01 00:18:33 <m_billybob> probably Llinus telling nvidia to eff off
Jun 01 00:18:52 <m_billybob> which was yeah quite some time ago
Jun 01 00:19:44 <m_billybob> all is beers and bbb's
Jun 01 00:19:46 <m_billybob> ;)
Jun 01 00:19:57 <fiola> That was funny.  I think Linus occasionally lets personal opinion get in the way of his engineeering judgment, but in that case he was spot on, and using some four-letter words helped make the point.
Jun 01 00:20:25 <m_billybob> he comes off to me as a very smart person, who is very playful
Jun 01 00:20:51 <m_billybob> hes definately not a closet nerd
Jun 01 00:21:23 <m_billybob> but yeah heh i had a good laugh with that one
Jun 01 00:21:34 <fiola> Indeed, no closet would have sufficient cooling :P
Jun 01 00:21:45 <m_billybob> heh
Jun 01 00:22:27 <m_billybob> hmm bbiaf speaking of weekened need to see what up with a friend
Jun 01 00:22:41 <fiola> tc :-)
Jun 01 00:25:31 <m_billybob> yeah im not goign anyhwere
Jun 01 00:25:39 <m_billybob> especially now that ive got an answerign machine lol
Jun 01 01:04:12 <Guser> evening
Jun 01 01:52:05 <mranostay> wmat: do i have coat a letter with maple syrup to get it delivered in canada? :P
Jun 01 02:02:35 <mranostay> alan_o: hey
Jun 01 02:02:40 <mranostay> er av500 not alan_o
Jun 01 02:43:01 <daemoon> hello
Jun 01 02:44:34 <daemoon> Could somebody please refer to a tutorial or tell me how to use the beaglebone black without using a micro HDMI cable? (since I don't have any)
Jun 01 02:45:38 <daemoon> I've read a lot about connecting via usb serial console, but the BB black doesn't have this feature.
Jun 01 02:46:04 <Spirilis> daemoon: connect it to your computer and view the START.htm (I think that's it) on the USB Mass Storage drive that shows up.  it has instructions
Jun 01 02:46:46 <Spirilis> it'll include some drivers for you to install, and once they're installed the next time you reset it it should try to create a USB network link to your computer so you can SSH into it over that link.  there's even an SSH applet served over the webpage.
Jun 01 02:47:18 <daemoon> so for me as linux-user I will have to install these udev-rules?
Jun 01 02:47:23 <daemoon> I thought of them to be optional
Jun 01 02:47:33 <Spirilis> not sure, haven't tried it under a linux PC yet
Jun 01 02:47:39 <Spirilis> only used it on a mac so far :-)
Jun 01 02:48:48 <Spirilis> bbl
Jun 01 02:57:39 <daemoon> so for some reason it won't connect to the web-server at 192.168.7.2, even not after disabling all network interfaces
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