**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 14 02:59:58 2013 Jun 14 03:09:02 jkridner|work: how is it nodejs world? :) Jun 14 03:41:16 yo yo emeb_mac Jun 14 03:41:37 yo yo mranostay Jun 14 03:41:44 que paso? Jun 14 03:42:26 what, no FPGA man? Jun 14 03:45:24 yeah - I feel short-changed. Jun 14 03:59:02 Has anyone been able to get a webcam to stream on the beaglebone running angstrom? Jun 14 04:01:01 emeb_mac: it can remain unsaid Jun 14 04:12:38 mranostay, -1 Jun 14 04:13:00 mranostay, I'm disappointed... Jun 14 04:17:12 you are about to add to that Jun 14 04:18:14 Just FYI, since I had to scrape this together from various fragmented, incomplete, and just plain wrong sources after y'all helped me get connected over hardware ethernet... The missing part of getting BB Black working over the USB ether bridge is that the host side has to ifconfig eth1 192.168.7.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 (for Debian squeeze; device name may vary with kernel build and udev rules) Jun 14 04:18:16 rather i am Jun 14 04:18:53 mranostay, I can outrun an M134 Jun 14 04:19:32 with a hello kitty helmet? Jun 14 04:19:41 let me know if you figure out how to get two BBBs working with usb eth on the same host. Jun 14 04:19:47 curse you mranostay Jun 14 04:20:48 hehehe blame av500 Jun 14 04:21:07 mastiff, if you send me a second one I will attempt it. probably just takes changing the IP address block one of them configures Jun 14 04:21:39 it should work just changing the interfaces file on one to a different ip, but something overwrites it that I haven't found yet Jun 14 04:21:48 not overwrites, overrides Jun 14 04:21:54 so as I am coming to think of as usual, the root of the problem is just finding how this bleeping distro works Jun 14 04:22:29 Forgot I haven't tried it since changing one to debian. Might work on that. Jun 14 04:23:43 one of the indirectly helpful threads I saw talked about how interfaces isn't used on the B(B(B)), though it wasn't entirely clear what system image they were discussing Jun 14 04:24:39 that's because mranostay wrote it Jun 14 04:34:14 mastiff, +1 Jun 14 05:00:22 ka6sox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l42mZ7BDB9A Jun 14 05:04:35 interesting Jun 14 05:07:22 hello kitty morning to all Jun 14 05:08:34 ok! Jun 14 05:13:43 goddamn forgot application passwords for gmail + git send-email Jun 14 05:14:57 1234 Jun 14 05:18:52 hellokitty? Jun 14 05:19:12 catnip Jun 14 05:19:43 three apples Jun 14 05:20:49 thislittlepiggy Jun 14 05:21:53 av500: patch up on lkml for you to troll Jun 14 05:23:55 mranostay: DT for x86? Jun 14 05:25:38 mranostay: thats so tiny...why bother? wait till you really have something to contribute Jun 14 05:26:41 ka6sox: bah bugfix that annoys me :) Jun 14 05:27:12 you got the signed off by wrong. Jun 14 05:27:28 what's up with crond? Jun 14 05:27:48 splud, its down Jun 14 05:28:06 service is running, and crontab -e gets me to the file for root, but if I add an entry to just touch a file in /tmp/, it never gets invoked. Jun 14 05:28:31 this is on a black Jun 14 05:29:25 curiously, the ps|grep crond shows the -n parm -- which is run in foreground. Jun 14 05:30:12 personal patch so signed off is correct Jun 14 05:30:49 koen: you around? Jun 14 05:31:04 if I run 'systemctl start crond', the process gets started, always with -n, but the parm isn't in /etc/sysconfig/crond Jun 14 05:33:10 journalctl shows an entry for crond saying that "@reboot jobs will be run at computer's startup", but no error saying the root cron failed to parse, etc. Jun 14 05:37:11 okay, no help there. How about how to get the sd card working? Jun 14 05:37:41 If I put a formatted (e2fs) card in, the beagle doesn't show it as an available device. Jun 14 05:38:07 If I put a card reader on the system, I can mount and manipulate the SD there, but not onboard. Jun 14 05:51:55 anyone know something about rfid spoofing? :) Jun 14 05:56:39 I've tinkered with rfid for my own stuff, but not attempted to spoof it. Lack the hardware. Have a couple of door lock panels which operate solenoids. Jun 14 05:58:14 splud: 125khz or 13.56mhz? Jun 14 06:01:12 125k Jun 14 06:11:35 <_Sy_> morning Jun 14 06:13:20 _Sy_: hello kitty morning to you as well Jun 14 06:13:52 morning Jun 14 06:20:05 prpplague: pong Jun 14 06:26:21 after installing x11vnc on my BeagleBone Black, it still won't let me connect over the LAN via VNC. I get "the target machine actively refused". :-\ Jun 14 06:48:31 hi.. Jun 14 06:50:31 i have beaglebone white.. i want to put ethercat slave app to SD then wanna boot.. Jun 14 06:53:18 just do it then Jun 14 06:54:49 problem is do i need to load bootloader first then slave app?/ Jun 14 06:55:38 I guess. what is that slave app? Jun 14 06:55:52 Prasanna: running linux? Jun 14 06:56:09 forget about slave app just app.. Jun 14 06:56:20 no i am on windows Jun 14 06:57:14 on the beagle Jun 14 06:57:26 no.. Jun 14 06:57:39 so what are you running? Jun 14 06:58:19 on the beagle ? ans : yes. beaglebone white Jun 14 06:58:36 what is the process for getting the BBBK to recognize the SD while the system is running? Or is it really strictly for an alternative OS load? Jun 14 06:58:39 what operating system are you running on the beaglebone white? Jun 14 06:59:05 Seems intensely silly that the beagle can't access the microSD when booted from MMC. Jun 14 06:59:31 splud: I think the card needs to be inserted during boot at the moment for the OS to see it Jun 14 06:59:34 it is silly Jun 14 06:59:40 splud: but I think there is a fix coming Jun 14 07:00:02 "during boot" ? Jun 14 07:00:08 it works if you write uEnv.txt in magic marker Jun 14 07:01:56 i know it works if you boot with SD in Jun 14 07:02:19 not sure if renumeration is working Jun 14 07:02:42 i am new to this.. really the OS is required one before loading any app.. can u tell or give me a link for ref? Jun 14 07:03:01 Hrm, I was tinkering with it at work, came home, botted, and it wouldn't start - then I realized that the SD was in (from having tried to mount it while at work), removed and reset it. and then it booted fine. Jun 14 07:03:27 mastiff: you mean "enumeration" ? Jun 14 07:03:54 sure Jun 14 07:04:45 dm8tbr:i am new to this.. OS is required one before loading any app.. can u tell or give me a link for ref? Jun 14 07:15:17 Prasanna: most people here run linux on their beaglebones Jun 14 07:26:23 found a doc discussing installation of gentoo on BBBK. That had info on a format script and a file to create. Rebooting my BBBK, and the device was found. Screwed that it has to be there at boot and such a specific format. Jun 14 07:27:03 Would be nice to be able to insert and mount devices at will (as with via a device reader, which I can plug in via USB). Jun 14 07:27:46 Of course, being flash, it'd be really nice if the beagle supported yaffs or similar filesystems. Jun 14 07:46:41 Do skype,yahoo other chat and social communication prog work 2 spoil muslims youth and spy 4 isreal&usa??????? Jun 14 07:46:44 do they record and analyse every word we type???????????? Jun 14 07:57:16 does anyone know if beaglebone black really used TPS65217C (support 1.5V DDR3) and micron MT41K256M16HA-125, which is actually a 1.35V DDR3-L chip? Jun 14 07:58:42 The information is conflicting. TI said TPS65217C only support DDR3 and for DDR3L you need TPS65217D, but BBB_SRM sail TPS65217C support both and BBB uses 1.5V DDR3 Jun 14 07:59:29 I checked sch and bom and micron manual, MT41Kxxx is indeed a 1.35V DDR3L chip. Jun 14 07:59:43 Anybody can explain this? Thanks. Jun 14 08:03:14 gm Jun 14 08:04:43 test Jun 14 08:05:14 does anyone has experience in developing a java webserver under beagle board? Jun 14 08:05:34 i am going to develop a spring-mvc java framework based webserver with jetty Jun 14 08:05:44 no, but there's no difference than developing in it on your host Jun 14 08:05:51 it will still suck, but hey, that's java Jun 14 08:06:00 my aim is to control some thermostats with enocean transceiver Jun 14 08:06:12 and you need friggin java for that? Jun 14 08:06:58 yes...i want to use the model view controller based web-architecture for the system Jun 14 08:07:35 you're not answering Jun 14 08:07:47 why would you want to use java for that? Jun 14 08:08:10 I guarantee you it will just suck Jun 14 08:08:27 because the application is portable on perhaps another system Jun 14 08:08:29 the only reason java doesn't suck on servers is that you have ample memory and cpu Jun 14 08:08:36 bs Jun 14 08:08:49 do you have antother solution for it ? Jun 14 08:08:54 portable C even C++, python, ruby, javascript, whatever Jun 14 08:09:01 say no to bloat Jun 14 08:09:11 your application is just trivial Jun 14 08:09:45 i tested the java-app under raspberry pi, it works well but the cpu might have more performance Jun 14 08:10:07 so i decided to test it under beagle Jun 14 08:10:16 it's going to be at best 2 times faster Jun 14 08:10:30 it's not the cpu that's the limiting factor Jun 14 08:10:33 it's java bloat Jun 14 08:11:33 I was 'amused' to see java on my PC take about 6 seconds to start Jun 14 08:11:37 ok, what recommondation could you give? Jun 14 08:11:56 it did the same about 14 years ago, on much slower hw Jun 14 08:12:03 cortex A8 runs android just fine :) Jun 14 08:12:29 av500, it's hardly java though Jun 14 08:12:39 it's cut down to the bones, special google java Jun 14 08:12:44 its javanough Jun 14 08:12:49 it's still crap Jun 14 08:13:04 no it has angry birds Jun 14 08:13:22 and I did write a full dalvik vm backend for ppc to know that Jun 14 08:13:37 angry birds is just blits Jun 14 08:13:53 angry blits Jun 14 08:14:00 cpu wise on panda was less than 10% load Jun 14 08:14:18 now facebook app otoh, talk about bloat Jun 14 08:14:21 stop confusing us with facts! Jun 14 08:14:34 yeah, ok Jun 14 08:14:39 :) Jun 14 08:14:44 need breakfast Jun 14 08:14:44 disregard everything, java everywhere! Jun 14 08:15:30 ^^ Jun 14 08:16:49 just don't dare come and bitch about performance Jun 14 08:24:43 tiropita Jun 14 08:26:52 hum, good idea Jun 14 09:17:39 Hey Beaglers. I'd like to power my hub and beagle off a single 4A PSU. i've found a 5.5mm Y splitter, but my hub has a 3.1mm input - anyone know where I can buy a 5.5mm to 3.1mm converter? Jun 14 09:18:21 panto: can you pastebin your dts for the lcd7 from yesterday? Jun 14 09:18:58 https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-bbxm/blob/not-capebus-v31/firmware/capes/BB-BONE-LCD7-01-00A3.dts Jun 14 09:19:11 yours is A2 right? Jun 14 09:19:26 I was told that A2 uses slightly different panel than A3 Jun 14 09:19:28 https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-bbxm/blob/not-capebus-v31/firmware/capes/BB-BONE-LCD7-01-00A2.dts Jun 14 09:22:38 panto: i'll check it out, thanks Jun 14 09:23:00 if you get it to work perfectly sent me a patch against that dts Jun 14 09:24:56 panto: it works perfectly.. but vbp is still 30? Jun 14 09:25:21 and i thought you said something about invert-pxl-clk? Jun 14 09:25:28 it's 30 Jun 14 09:25:53 narcos: no idea Jun 14 09:25:59 if needed, solder something Jun 14 09:26:09 or get a hub that has 5.1mm Jun 14 09:26:10 anyway, now it's 100% accurate on my A2 Jun 14 09:26:17 thanks Jun 14 09:26:28 philenotfound, np Jun 14 09:26:45 btw, 3.2 was off too Jun 14 09:26:58 so we carried the same settings Jun 14 09:27:08 anyway, it should be fine now Jun 14 09:27:17 panto: let me guess? one line to the top? Jun 14 09:27:24 yeah Jun 14 09:27:47 so it never really was 29 in the first place Jun 14 09:27:47 it's hard to notice if you're not looking at it very closely Jun 14 09:28:06 it's a big mess, let me tell you that :) Jun 14 09:28:12 i first noticed it on my bbw with 3.8 Jun 14 09:28:13 anyway, it's fixed now Jun 14 09:28:33 new angstrom release coming soon Jun 14 09:28:43 because it was a few pixels off, never noticed it on 3.2 Jun 14 09:29:01 panto: i don't use angstrom Jun 14 09:29:53 I don't mind, you still use the same kernel :) Jun 14 09:30:19 yeah, btw is there a real kernel repo? or just the patches repo? Jun 14 09:31:01 there's a real kernel repo Jun 14 09:31:19 but due to constant rebasing it's not wise to track it Jun 14 09:32:42 hmm, because i'm trying to submit a bbb_defconfig for buildroot where a real kernel repo would have helped Jun 14 09:33:35 philenotfound, talk with koen Jun 14 09:34:05 k Jun 14 10:02:40 i just depelted the Mouser stock of Beagles Jun 14 10:11:06 how many? Jun 14 10:11:33 I've got a UDP joke but I'm not sure you'll get it Jun 14 10:11:53 lol Jun 14 10:13:21 Haha Jun 14 10:15:04 I've got a RealVideo j....buffering... Jun 14 10:15:43 I wanted to use thread to solve a problem. two problems. I now have Jun 14 10:15:52 das... ca ching Jun 14 10:33:30 Out of curiosity, you people talk about trolls a lot, does this room get them often? Jun 14 10:34:09 nah Jun 14 10:34:17 I wouldn't think that anyone would be up to trolling a room with a bunch of hardware and low level sw people :/ Jun 14 10:34:28 we keep them at bay Jun 14 10:34:35 with preemptive counter trolling Jun 14 10:46:17 das: i'd like to shake your hand for sharing the UDP joke with us. But i cant'. Jun 14 10:46:52 I could always tell you that TCP joke until you get it Jun 14 10:46:53 I could always tell you that TCP joke until you get it Jun 14 10:46:53 I could always tell you that TCP joke until you get it Jun 14 10:47:55 mrpackethead: we could use SSL to shake hands Jun 14 11:05:12 ok.. got to say.. so far the beaglebone black is a really neat board to use. Jun 14 11:52:43 prpplague, you don't need to use the suite number to ship to me if you put the company name on the address Jun 14 11:53:14 bradfa: yea they went ahead and put the suite number anyway, they shipped yesterday Jun 14 11:53:21 that's cool, thanks! :) Jun 14 11:57:55 bradfa: you work in a suite? Jun 14 11:58:08 or a suit? Jun 14 11:58:10 is that well suited? Jun 14 11:58:10 I definitely don't work in a suit Jun 14 11:58:19 back Jun 14 11:58:19 current shirt has stains on it... Jun 14 11:58:24 suit of armour? Jun 14 11:58:25 just noticed... Jun 14 11:58:27 and the voltage shirt? Jun 14 11:58:43 wear both for a power shirt Jun 14 11:58:53 mru: armour is more a resistance shirt Jun 14 11:59:10 what about chain mail? Jun 14 11:59:16 inductance Jun 14 11:59:26 bradfa: if you have @aol, sure Jun 14 11:59:33 I though chain mail stopped with myspace Jun 14 12:00:01 apparently it's rife on facebook Jun 14 12:00:07 the horror Jun 14 12:00:14 heard someone complaining about it in the pub the other day Jun 14 12:00:26 you can learn all sorts of things there Jun 14 12:00:55 rifles on facebook? Jun 14 12:01:02 hi all ! Jun 14 12:01:17 The Google Summer of Code Mentor Summit is approaching! Jun 14 12:01:32 bradfa, when is that? Jun 14 12:01:34 the end of time is approaching Jun 14 12:01:41 one day each day Jun 14 12:01:43 -ETIMEDOUT Jun 14 12:01:51 panto, october Jun 14 12:02:20 I work with windows programmers, sometimes things go slow Jun 14 12:03:05 link? Jun 14 12:03:20 panto: g o o g l e Jun 14 12:03:37 zelda? Jun 14 12:03:53 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/pVFB1t38cPY/tu1VJa0z1KoJ Jun 14 12:04:08 it's an "unconference" Jun 14 12:04:09 prpplague: http://beagleboard.org/project/userspace-arduino/ Jun 14 12:06:46 Software defined radio on the web with a BeagleBoard Black -> http://gpsntp.dyndns.org:8901/ Jun 14 12:07:07 why isn't the ZCZ package (for the AM355x) documented on TI's site ? http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/psheets/mechanic.htm Jun 14 12:07:28 teralaser, it is Jun 14 12:07:41 just not there Jun 14 12:07:50 it should be in am335x data sheet Jun 14 12:08:24 so many packages Jun 14 12:08:26 so little time Jun 14 12:09:13 bradfa : it's not in the datasheet (that's a typical TI thing) Jun 14 12:09:24 LX3KR: it needs java Jun 14 12:09:56 bradfa : ah nevermind, it is Jun 14 12:10:00 Only in your browser Jun 14 12:10:23 I want to build Kernel for my BB A6 and this command doesn't work : --> http://www.pastebin.com/uVZR6P3K Jun 14 12:10:25 not in yours? Jun 14 12:11:45 windu: works here Jun 14 12:11:54 windu, works here Jun 14 12:11:55 I am trying bbb + lcd7 cape + camera cape.. Jun 14 12:11:56 LX3KR: they are cheating by using the softrock lite for their rf frontend. I would be impressed someone were to use a PRU for software defined radio. Jun 14 12:12:00 can you ping git.kernel.org Jun 14 12:12:03 does not seem to work Jun 14 12:12:25 bbb + cam cape or bbb + lcd7 seems ok Jun 14 12:13:00 anybody seen this before? Jun 14 12:13:03 That would be good, maybe in the future Jun 14 12:13:28 vrb, what is not working? Jun 14 12:13:37 there could be a resource conflict Jun 14 12:13:46 av500, bradfa : Ok I think I have a network issue, thats weird because I'm able to sudo apt-get install several packages ... Jun 14 12:14:00 get a better network Jun 14 12:15:37 LX3KR: nevertheless, you have an impressive implementation, nicely done Jun 14 12:15:58 panto: it does not seem to boot or is hung midway. Jun 14 12:16:05 hum Jun 14 12:16:13 I am using 3.2 kernel from rowboat btw Jun 14 12:16:13 yeah, try booting from external mmc Jun 14 12:16:23 vrb, oh, you're on your own then Jun 14 12:16:34 ask the rowboat guys Jun 14 12:17:04 panto: ok thanks Jun 14 12:21:45 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 3 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/CTm26w Jun 14 12:21:46 kernel/3.8 cf6dc20 Koen Kooi: 3.8: fix tsl2550 readings in low-light... Jun 14 12:21:46 kernel/3.8 4c8950d Koen Kooi: 3.8: disable eMMC till capemanager activates it to avoid glitches with capes using those pins... Jun 14 12:21:46 kernel/3.8 c343ccd Koen Kooi: 3.8: fix LCD7 vsync length... Jun 14 12:22:27 koen, make sure you have firmware built-in=y for that second patch Jun 14 12:22:53 cause if emmc is your rootfs, you'll got a problem Jun 14 12:23:22 you can specify firmware blobs to be included explicitly too Jun 14 12:25:51 panto: I have it as Y, already checked that :) Jun 14 12:25:52 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/g9UMpw Jun 14 12:25:53 kernel/3.8 ed55d1d Koen Kooi: 3.8: enable HTB net scheduler... Jun 14 12:26:30 hi all, anybody here know how to make the flasher image of for the eMMC based on the system snapshot running from an micro-SD ? I am running Ubuntu 13.04 Jun 14 12:27:37 mru: yes, todays wondermark was for you :) Jun 14 12:28:09 koen: ^^^ flasher how? Jun 14 12:28:11 I blame my previous job Jun 14 12:28:48 mru: this is not about blame Jun 14 12:28:56 av500: the question involves ubuntu, no idea on that Jun 14 12:29:30 koen: is the make_flasher script somewhere? Jun 14 12:29:52 sometimes I wonder if a life of ignorance would be easier Jun 14 12:30:51 av500: the stock used for the angstrom builds is in the meta-beagleboard repo, mentioned multiple times in the google group Jun 14 12:30:56 (as is the ubuntu version, btw) Jun 14 12:48:33 mru, life in ignorance is percieved easier, verifying it actually requires data which breaks ignorance Jun 14 12:49:45 I mean, there are people who drink crap coffee and cheap lager, watch eastenders, and shop in aldi, yet still seem rather happy about it all Jun 14 12:50:52 Aldi has some decent products - if you pick carefully Jun 14 12:51:05 they are ignorant Jun 14 12:51:23 SpeedEvil: yes, but in the more upmarket shops you don't need to be as selective Jun 14 12:51:38 ofcourse, emotions are created by exposing yourself to contrast in some way or other. If you eliminate the contrast, for by example not drinking good lager, you've removed the possibility for emotions to arise from that condition. Jun 14 12:51:50 Aldi parking lots in Germany are full of beamers and merces Jun 14 12:52:01 * SpeedEvil is having severe problems with food budget. :/ Jun 14 12:52:04 av500: so? Jun 14 12:52:12 It is decidedly annoying. Jun 14 12:52:17 av500: turkish people need to save money, so they can afford the mercedes Jun 14 12:52:36 SpeedEvil: *g* Jun 14 12:52:40 SpeedEvil: i know that... Jun 14 12:52:46 SpeedEvil: about 1/3 of my salary goes on food Jun 14 12:53:01 KotH: that does not explain the beamers Jun 14 12:53:07 I have no idea how much I spend on food Jun 14 12:53:22 only that it's less than I earn Jun 14 12:53:31 av500: it does Jun 14 12:53:44 av500: those turkish who dont like benz, buy a beamer :) Jun 14 12:54:03 a nice car is a status symbol Jun 14 12:54:14 it's something you show off to the entire world when you're out driving it Jun 14 12:54:22 nobody knows what junk is on your dinner plate Jun 14 12:54:33 true Jun 14 12:54:38 yet Aldi is not that bad Jun 14 12:54:43 at least here Jun 14 12:54:54 well, lidl then Jun 14 12:54:55 in the past years it mutated into a more or less regular super market Jun 14 12:55:00 with less choice, sure Jun 14 12:55:41 that's beside the point Jun 14 12:55:44 most funny is the fact that they do stock a few brands, because for these specific product, germans dont buy anything else Jun 14 12:55:50 like HAribo gummy bears :) Jun 14 12:56:36 av500: come to .ch, we have the cheaper brands as well :) Jun 14 12:56:57 KotH: you grew up on Migros Jun 14 12:57:14 mru: whether you belive in status symbols or not, whether you need to show of or not depends on you. Jun 14 12:57:29 mru: you can choose that way of living, which is flashy and loud, or choose another, more silent one Jun 14 12:57:29 KotH: point being? Jun 14 12:57:32 av500: true that Jun 14 12:57:55 mru: what you are doing is up to you, dont compare yourself too much with others. they dont matter. Jun 14 12:58:13 KotH: point being? Jun 14 12:58:46 mru: you worry too much Jun 14 12:58:48 how does that relate to noticing bad typography and overzealous colour grading? Jun 14 12:59:00 KotH: what makes you say that? Jun 14 12:59:37 mru: what you have said/written in the last couple of years Jun 14 13:09:45 Sp #trolls is unavailable Jun 14 13:11:01 #fridaytrolls is full also Jun 14 13:11:16 #aldi ? Jun 14 13:13:57 #alditrolls Jun 14 13:15:49 I just bought a nice set of beer glasses from ALDI Jun 14 13:16:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX7zpIz4sb0 - on that topic at 0:12 or so. Jun 14 13:16:37 (Caution, contains humor) Jun 14 13:26:25 humor? on a friday? unpossible! Jun 14 13:27:24 humour is a conspiracy to cover up the true awfulness of everything Jun 14 13:28:17 hmm, we had our friday yesterday, we might need to get one from the emergency reserve Jun 14 13:28:32 moin alan_o Jun 14 13:28:44 hey Jun 14 13:28:44 mru: I find frankie Boyle wonderfully acerbic and nihilistic on that nore. Jun 14 13:28:45 av500: you could just declare today another-friday :) Jun 14 13:28:47 note Jun 14 14:00:13 anybody here know how to make the flasher image of for the eMMC based on the system snapshot running from an micro-SD ? I am running Ubuntu 13.040 Jun 14 14:02:46 [14:30:51] av500: the stock used for the angstrom builds is in the meta-beagleboard repo, mentioned multiple times in the google group Jun 14 14:02:48 [14:30:56] (as is the ubuntu version, btw) Jun 14 14:45:57 mourning Jun 14 14:46:36 hath borken Jun 14 14:46:43 hi ka6sox Jun 14 14:47:00 av500, +1 Jun 14 14:47:05 morning panto... Jun 14 14:47:26 well...my dts at least compiles :) Jun 14 14:47:45 \o/ Jun 14 14:47:48 \o\ Jun 14 14:47:53 /o/ Jun 14 14:48:34 and with the patch I just saw go in we might be able to configure the FPGA with the eMMC still on the planet. Jun 14 14:49:34 you should Jun 14 14:49:56 go for in on weekend, forget wife and hobbies Jun 14 14:50:27 ant_work, heading to a B3 concert? Jun 14 14:50:34 heh Jun 14 14:50:56 I'l lhave to listen live to that Barbara in Germany Jun 14 14:51:03 I hope soon Jun 14 14:51:16 if she comes here, I'd like to go. Jun 14 14:53:04 ka6sox: San Diego ? Jun 14 14:53:06 http://www.barbaradennerlein.com/en/itinerary/index.php Jun 14 14:53:33 bradfa: what cruel things are you doing to your beagle? Jun 14 14:54:02 ant_work, dang...I'll be on Half Dome that day... Jun 14 14:54:20 av500, my epoxy question? Jun 14 14:54:27 wow, real audio files Jun 14 14:54:36 bradfa: yes Jun 14 14:54:52 real audiophiles Jun 14 14:54:54 elevator music Jun 14 14:55:07 ant_work, I have reservations to climb half dome that day Jun 14 14:56:50 ka6sox: "As late as the 1870s, Half Dome was described as "perfectly inaccessible" Jun 14 14:56:51 panto, I don't think this patch will help Jun 14 14:57:08 some of us are still crazy to climb it Jun 14 14:57:08 which patch? Jun 14 14:57:19 I'm burried in patches Jun 14 14:57:30 av500, batch of white labels I ordered got built wrong and have mini USB connectors on them with epoxy, I need to remove them... Jun 14 14:57:39 panto: kernel/3.8 4c8950d Koen Kooi: 3.8: disable eMMC till capemanager activates it to avoid glitches with capes using those pins... Jun 14 14:58:12 the problem is that the eMMC pins are inputs to the FPGA and mess with its configuration... Jun 14 14:58:18 bradfa: due to height? Jun 14 14:58:41 because there is NO capebus reset separate from system_rstn Jun 14 14:58:47 ka6sox, yah Jun 14 14:59:05 we can't fix every hardware issue with software Jun 14 14:59:16 sadly, no Jun 14 14:59:31 av500, due to it sticks out from the side of the board and a big metal plate won't fit then Jun 14 14:59:56 work order said don't populate, cco populated Jun 14 15:00:29 :?, Jun 14 15:00:46 wouldn't be so bad if they didn't apply the epoxy Jun 14 15:00:53 I'm eagerly awaiting my first prototypes from cco soon; I'm hoping for success! Jun 14 15:00:54 jackmitchell: vi commands don't work in irc Jun 14 15:01:12 :q! Jun 14 15:01:26 jackmitchell, I'm sorry to say we won't be going back to cco if we can avoid it, havent had good experiences, this is just our most recent Jun 14 15:01:29 CTRL-K X Jun 14 15:01:36 +1 Jun 14 15:02:00 moving to a SoM asap and probably away from TI with it Jun 14 15:02:16 bradfa: eek, well, fingers crossed; it's a BBB with low profile headers and other headers removed - shouldn't be too complicated Jun 14 15:02:40 but we're also looking into using the fpga/soc combos from Altera Jun 14 15:02:49 so it may come to nothing anyway Jun 14 15:02:52 nios2 too? Jun 14 15:03:02 no, no, the new ones Jun 14 15:03:04 ah, ok Jun 14 15:03:05 dual core a9s Jun 14 15:03:12 sounds pricy :) Jun 14 15:03:33 heh; I'm sure it will be ;) Jun 14 15:03:44 bradfa, anything with dual a9's + FPGA is... Jun 14 15:03:49 the Zynq is brutal. Jun 14 15:04:02 I'll stick with arm9, a8 and a5 (go go Atmel!) for now :0 Jun 14 15:04:27 plenty of room at the bottom Jun 14 15:04:46 cheap, easy to design in, good enough for me :) Jun 14 15:04:59 maybe possibley sort of mainline support, too! Jun 14 15:05:25 * bradfa is hungry... Jun 14 15:05:29 yeah; I'm keeping an eye on the socfpga (stupid name!) work, and the mainline stuff actually looks to be progressing fairly well Jun 14 15:06:23 where's mranostay? Jun 14 15:06:36 probably hung over Jun 14 15:06:55 or to drunk to irc Jun 14 15:07:09 jackmitchell, the nios2 stuff is pretty nice, worked with that a little Jun 14 15:07:17 wonder if he has breathalizer attached to keyboard at work Jun 14 15:07:55 bradfa, brutal Jun 14 15:08:01 :) Jun 14 15:08:03 it's friday Jun 14 15:08:10 ka6sox: yeah I had a little look at it a year or two ago, but we need the FPGA density; which is why the hard logic cores appeal to us Jun 14 15:08:17 * bradfa goes to find hamburger with bacon on it... bbl, maybe Jun 14 15:08:34 FPGAs are hard to justify nowadays for normal stuff Jun 14 15:08:44 hard cores are cheap and so, but so fast Jun 14 15:08:44 hamburger with cheese and bacon must be one of the most sinful things you can eat Jun 14 15:08:45 bradfa: that's an interesting idea, a breathalyzer connected to a pre-commit hook. Jun 14 15:09:06 you'd have to drop half the commits of all s/w projects then :) Jun 14 15:09:10 you mean softcores? Jun 14 15:09:37 there's a commit message at my previous employer noting that the code reviewers were "both drunk" Jun 14 15:09:58 it was done on a friday afternoon Jun 14 15:10:11 come monday, we noticed it didn't work at all Jun 14 15:10:18 in fact, it didn't even compile Jun 14 15:10:24 panto, hardcores are preferrable if you can get the integration you need with the FPGA. Jun 14 15:10:45 that's when someone instated a rule against checkins on friday afternoons Jun 14 15:10:47 like if we can get the GPMC to act right and get the thruput that most FPGA applications need. Jun 14 15:11:14 mru: nice. Maybe the pre-commit hook just adds a line to the commit message that's easy to grep for later. "hmm, doesn't compile, check for dunken commits" Jun 14 15:11:32 ka6sox: exactly, killing inefficient and problematic interfaces is awesome Jun 14 15:12:01 alan_o: this was written by the committer, who was not exactly sober either Jun 14 15:12:34 if we do start going down the route of socfpga, then I'm looking forward to some of the stuff I'll be able to do with dual a9's and direct shared memory Jun 14 15:12:45 after using uBlaze and pBlaze I wasn't too impressed Jun 14 15:12:54 ka6sox, yeah hardcores is better Jun 14 15:13:18 ka6sox, btw, why is the FPGA confused? is it's CS asserted? Jun 14 15:13:40 configuration doesn't need CS Jun 14 15:13:52 its a separate task on dedicated pins Jun 14 15:14:23 however...before the eMMC made its debut...the "mode" pins were not wiggled during configuration Jun 14 15:15:02 during configuration those mode pins determine whether its a SPI master or spi slave or uses the platform flash Jun 14 15:15:24 wiggling them (as the emmc does) confuses the hell out of the FPGA and fails configuration. Jun 14 15:15:50 hmm, is that before bit streaming? Jun 14 15:15:56 yes Jun 14 15:16:01 well... Jun 14 15:16:18 it determines if the bitstream comes from SPI-M, SPI-S, or platform flash Jun 14 15:16:29 why don't you put the offending bits on an I2C GPIO expander? Jun 14 15:16:41 well.it WORKED on the BBW Jun 14 15:16:45 hehe Jun 14 15:16:57 ok, ok ;) Jun 14 15:16:59 hey guys Jun 14 15:17:03 hey Jun 14 15:17:12 how can i know if my i2c is working in the bbb or no Jun 14 15:17:20 does /dev/i2c* exist? Jun 14 15:17:24 yub Jun 14 15:17:27 try it Jun 14 15:17:31 which i2c of them all? Jun 14 15:17:33 and when i write i2cdetect -l Jun 14 15:17:35 it work Jun 14 15:17:38 0 and 1 Jun 14 15:17:46 so it sounds like its working Jun 14 15:17:54 but when i connect a device how could i know that theyt are communicating Jun 14 15:17:56 panto, I'm going to have to do a flywire to put RESET on the expander Jun 14 15:17:57 or doing anything Jun 14 15:18:06 they wont until you initialize them Jun 14 15:18:15 yeah!! exactly Jun 14 15:18:19 thats what i wanted to know Jun 14 15:18:19 ka6sox, yeah Jun 14 15:18:22 and then, after the emmc is killed with FIRE, configure the FPGA Jun 14 15:18:33 i was searching and all of the people say initialize them Jun 14 15:18:37 and they dont say how Jun 14 15:19:15 its kind of tough, once a cape is on, to push S2 Jun 14 15:19:44 ka6sox, yeah Jun 14 15:19:51 maxinux: if you could just give me a tutorial or tell me how that will be great Jun 14 15:20:01 it took me 5 days to make the i2c detetcted Jun 14 15:20:06 and now i cant make it work Jun 14 15:20:06 Ahmed_: have you got a device on the i2c? Jun 14 15:20:11 yeah Jun 14 15:20:19 panto,nobody likes my idea of a pogo pin thru the heart of the eMMC Jun 14 15:20:20 Ahmed_: if so, if you're are using angstrom Jun 14 15:20:21 i have a HMC 6352 Jun 14 15:20:27 i2cdetect -r 1 Jun 14 15:20:28 im using ubuntu Jun 14 15:20:31 Ahmed_: ouch, i wish i was that good at it :) ive gotten i2c working with a rtc and temp sensors ... that said it would take me a while to get it going again:) Jun 14 15:20:44 ah, well; if it has i2cdetect install that is what you should run Jun 14 15:20:53 it will search the i2c bus for clients Jun 14 15:21:35 assuming, they're in pins P9.19 and P9.20, and i2c-1 is actually the i2c-2 bus ;) Jun 14 15:21:59 jackmitchell: when i write i2cdetect -r 1 Jun 14 15:22:04 it ask me Y/n? Jun 14 15:22:08 so i write Y Jun 14 15:22:13 ka6sox, lol Jun 14 15:22:18 it give me ----------------------------------------UU UU UU------------------------------------- Jun 14 15:22:27 that means that nothing is detected on the bus Jun 14 15:22:39 is your i2c chip plugged into P9.19 and P9.20? Jun 14 15:23:02 and also grounded Jun 14 15:23:21 wait i connected it to i2c-SDA i2c-SCL Jun 14 15:23:31 and then to GND and VDD 3 volt Jun 14 15:24:15 put it in i2c2 Jun 14 15:24:24 i dont have i2c2 Jun 14 15:24:28 only 0 and 1 working Jun 14 15:24:29 aka pins P9.19 and P9.20 Jun 14 15:24:38 0 and 1 are the number of buses Jun 14 15:24:49 not, direct relation to the i2c bus numbers Jun 14 15:25:07 Anyone recommend a 3G cape for the BBB ? Jun 14 15:25:17 cheapest usb modem Jun 14 15:25:38 and be sure to use an external power supply Jun 14 15:25:49 2A or more Jun 14 15:27:25 jackmitchell: ok after connecting it what should i do Jun 14 15:27:35 should i write any command to make it work? Jun 14 15:27:56 try your i2cdetect command again Jun 14 15:28:40 i2cdetect -r 1? Jun 14 15:28:44 yep Jun 14 15:29:15 uu uu uu Jun 14 15:29:25 does the beagleboard auto detect the device? Jun 14 15:29:42 or i have to do something to give the bbb the address of the device Jun 14 15:30:09 no, probing the bus like that should show the device Jun 14 15:32:41 bradfa: hey i saw that Jun 14 15:32:49 oh, he's awake! Jun 14 15:32:55 mranostay, and, what's you gonna do about it? Jun 14 15:32:56 everyone! mranostay woke up! Jun 14 15:33:04 how's the hangover? Jun 14 15:33:08 Ahmed_: what address, should your device be on? Jun 14 15:33:09 or bypassed the breathalyser Jun 14 15:33:20 jackmitchell: not sure Jun 14 15:33:40 because if it happens to be one of the 'reserved, uu' addresses then it won't show up Jun 14 15:33:41 jackmitchell: i got something with the uu uu uu Jun 14 15:33:46 which is 21 Jun 14 15:33:50 yes, they're reserved addresses Jun 14 15:33:55 in line 1 20 Jun 14 15:34:09 does that mean its working? Jun 14 15:34:09 bradfa: what makes you think i'm hungover? Jun 14 15:34:12 the kernel has allocated those addresses to other devices Jun 14 15:34:19 mranostay: you Jun 14 15:34:26 your device would show up as a hex number Jun 14 15:34:37 mranostay, so still drunk then? Jun 14 15:34:38 :) Jun 14 15:34:56 bradfa: ok fuzzy dude.. not drunk :) Jun 14 15:35:06 * bradfa gets all warm and fuzzy inside Jun 14 15:35:07 Ahmed_: this is my i2c device list Jun 14 15:35:07 not drunk, just a little fuzzy? Jun 14 15:35:07 http://www.hastebin.com/decicohequ.hs Jun 14 15:35:10 jackmitchell: so what should i do? like finaly i got something from it :D Jun 14 15:35:18 * bradfa now really goes to get bacon burger Jun 14 15:35:22 yes i'd register a bradfa on the BAC scale Jun 14 15:35:26 you can see that all my devices, are the ones in hex Jun 14 15:35:58 mranostay: the Bacchus scale? Jun 14 15:36:03 UU devices, are not your devices Jun 14 15:36:30 unless you wrote a kernel module to register them ;) - which I am assuming is incorrect :) Jun 14 15:37:03 the one that measures drunkenness as distance walked / straight-line distance? Jun 14 15:37:24 logarithm of, naturally Jun 14 15:37:40 hmmm can't patent genes finally some sanity in the legal system Jun 14 15:37:40 jackmitchell: :D so when i get just one number "21" not a hex number Jun 14 15:37:48 what does that mean Jun 14 15:37:49 mranostay: yes and no Jun 14 15:37:56 Ahmed_: that is correct Jun 14 15:38:05 they're still idiots allowing cDNA to be patented Jun 14 15:38:06 that means that your device is at address 21 Jun 14 15:38:20 but it is a hex number, 0x21 Jun 14 15:38:28 ok cool cool Jun 14 15:38:34 is their any commands Jun 14 15:38:37 if you do i2cget 0x21 Jun 14 15:38:49 i can write to make sure 100% its working Jun 14 15:39:01 i2cdetect 0x21 Jun 14 15:39:02 ? Jun 14 15:39:29 Ahmed_: no, i2cget -y 1 0x21 Jun 14 15:39:48 Ahmed_: that is getting data, from address 0x21 on i2c-1 Jun 14 15:40:09 i got 0x00 Jun 14 15:40:20 then your device is giving you data 0 Jun 14 15:40:28 so its working? Jun 14 15:40:32 what does your device measure? Jun 14 15:40:42 should it be giving you 0? I don't know if that is valid Jun 14 15:41:03 its just compaus device Jun 14 15:41:07 HMC6352 Jun 14 15:41:17 well, if 0 is valid, then yes it is working Jun 14 15:41:28 I don't know what a compaus device is, so that's up for you to decide Jun 14 15:42:12 jackmitchell: Thanks very much!!, i will try different device that does something Jun 14 15:42:32 jackmitchell: thanks for your time bro :D finaly i found something helpfull Jun 14 15:42:35 sounds like a good idea, good luck Jun 14 15:43:12 Ahmed_: also read this: http://elinux.org/Interfacing_with_I2C_Devices Jun 14 15:50:10 jacekowski: I'm using a USB modem with a powered hub now, but a cape would be great as I also need a wifi adapter plugged in Jun 14 15:50:16 which I want to use in the usb port Jun 14 15:50:51 jackmitchell: ok i connected another device it work it gave me 11 Jun 14 15:50:59 and when i do the i2cget Jun 14 15:51:11 it give me oxff Jun 14 15:51:24 this device is a temp sensor Jun 14 15:51:44 This looks nice, but not released yet - http://www.exploitsys.com/ENG/Products.html Jun 14 15:52:15 Ahmed_: ok, well you need a conversion chart from values > temperatures Jun 14 15:52:34 Ahmed_: does it give you a couple of addresses? e.g. 11 12 13? or just 11 Jun 14 15:52:41 just 11 Jun 14 15:52:51 and im using atmel at90usb 1287 Jun 14 15:53:05 ok, well that means it telling you 255 Jun 14 15:53:20 jackmitchell: what does that mean? Jun 14 15:53:31 Ahmed_: I don't know, you will have to look at the data sheet Jun 14 15:54:03 jackmitchell: is their a command that i can use to write something in the at90usb Jun 14 15:54:15 then i will plug it in my pc and see this data in their? Jun 14 15:54:16 i2cset? Jun 14 15:54:25 if* Jun 14 15:54:57 i2cset -y 1 0x11? Jun 14 15:55:23 Ahmed_: http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/man/i2cset Jun 14 15:56:58 18VABA344: the hell? :) Jun 14 15:57:13 bradfa_: windows phone is so you Jun 14 15:59:56 right kids, I'm off to drink beer and enjoy my newly erected garden picnic bench; have fun and catch y'all on monday Jun 14 16:01:37 does it make me a nerd that I catch the word "garden" out of the corner of my eye and see "walled garden?" Jun 14 16:01:57 * alan_o reads too much tech news and commentary Jun 14 16:03:19 alan_o: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1xKNxMZjEx0/UaNV5G7WKHI/AAAAAAAAEVI/9BRNheDzFMs/s0/ Jun 14 16:04:33 hah Jun 14 16:04:52 camera is facing east btw Jun 14 16:08:02 oh noes alan_o Jun 14 16:12:03 wait, that's real? I thought it was a joke. Jun 14 16:12:17 it's perfectly real Jun 14 16:12:29 potsdamer platz in berlin a few weeks ago Jun 14 16:12:59 my photos are never doctored Jun 14 16:13:03 happy Friday mranostay Jun 14 16:13:34 mru: Without any context, I wasn't sure that was your photo. Jun 14 16:13:47 mru, thats just a cleaned up coppertone commercial Jun 14 16:15:41 alan_o: not a happy friday for the liver :P Jun 14 16:15:43 hello guys! Jun 14 16:16:16 mranostay: the liver has somewhat of a shifted workweek. Jun 14 16:16:27 I got a quick question. I've google searched about this for about an hour, thought I would see if you guys could help me. And I am a recent convert from the church of the Pi, so I need a little help. Jun 14 16:16:59 I just got my BBB running an SD card imaged with the recomeneded ubuntu 12.04 lts ARM port... how do I expand the root partition? Jun 14 16:17:13 hmm.. "the recommended ubuntu" Jun 14 16:17:26 raspberrypis have a nice little admin cmd, but i cant figure this one out for BBB. Jun 14 16:17:56 alan_o: yeah, the ubuntu 12.04 lts port on the beaglebone black page from armhf Jun 14 16:18:01 you are confusing hw with sw Jun 14 16:18:56 alan_o: how is going in the south? Jun 14 16:19:09 hot, rainy. Jun 14 16:19:42 feel free to send some excess heat this way Jun 14 16:19:49 but keep the rain Jun 14 16:19:59 mru: all stocked up? Jun 14 16:20:17 it's not raining today Jun 14 16:23:02 woot only 20% chance of rain this weekend Jun 14 16:23:20 that's forecast-speak for certain downpour Jun 14 16:23:50 mru: we're supposed to hit 107F today - want some? Jun 14 16:23:56 sure Jun 14 16:24:06 was 112F on Weds... Jun 14 16:25:13 emeb, boo, I have to be there tomorrow for a 1pm wedding, don't know whether or not its outdoors Jun 14 16:25:16 * emeb wonders what the global implications of moving heat around would be. Probably bad. Jun 14 16:25:38 Russ: you'll love it! :P Jun 14 16:25:55 I always knew JavaScript was a gateway drug..... Jun 14 16:26:10 Only 104F forecast for tomorrow... Jun 14 16:26:40 emeb, that's a relief Jun 14 16:27:06 And 20% humidity. Jun 14 16:28:17 Got a sealed package of clothing in the mail from somewhere in the Midwest the other day. Opened it up and it felt *damp* due to the humidity difference between here & there. Jun 14 16:28:38 I want to build an appliance computer using BeagleBoard Jun 14 16:28:43 More info here: http://www.element14.com/community/thread/24907 Jun 14 16:28:50 BBB Jun 14 16:29:21 How do I contact BeagleBoard to talk about sourcing "large" (hundreds or thousands) number of devices? Jun 14 16:29:23 emeb, ewww Jun 14 16:31:20 e_s_p: Talk to Circuitco - they make the Beagle/board/bone - http://circuitco.com/wordpress/ Jun 14 16:31:42 e_s_p, .gr? Jun 14 16:31:50 emeb: from A&F? :) Jun 14 16:31:51 panto: greek-american Jun 14 16:31:57 hehe Jun 14 16:32:18 emeb: thanks Jun 14 16:32:23 mranostay: har - yeah, I shop there *all* the time. I especially like how their mall stores smell. :P Jun 14 16:32:54 I doubt that people my age are allowed to buy things there... Jun 14 16:33:13 emeb: do you know if anyone does turnkey devices - like, I give a disk image, they ship BBB + case + cables? Jun 14 16:33:57 e_s_p, talk to CCO Jun 14 16:34:03 panto: thanks! Jun 14 16:34:08 e_s_p: dunno. Jun 14 16:34:11 they do that for a biz Jun 14 16:34:17 panto: that's great to hear Jun 14 16:34:45 now, depending on lead time, amount of devices, etc.. Jun 14 16:34:48 emeb: heh i can't go into that store... the musk kicks in my allergies Jun 14 16:34:57 you can customize so that it's cheaper Jun 14 16:35:05 more of an American Eagle hipster :P Jun 14 16:35:14 I have another dumb question Jun 14 16:35:25 http://beagleboard.org/about <-- this lists a marcom person with a ti.com address Jun 14 16:35:34 Is there a business connection? Jun 14 16:35:49 My dad used to work at TI in the 80s Jun 14 16:35:53 Is why I'm wondering Jun 14 16:43:16 Hello, I need to enable RTC in my BBB. Where I can find information? Has BBB a RTC built-in? Jun 14 16:44:41 yes it does, but it's not powered Jun 14 16:44:55 and there is no easy way to power it up Jun 14 16:45:06 use an i2c rtc clock Jun 14 16:45:18 what's real anyway? Jun 14 16:45:43 mru: shit just got real Jun 14 16:46:51 Hm, any advice on interfacing this sucker to the BBB - http://proto-pic.co.uk/adh8066-gsm-module/ ? Jun 14 16:46:56 (ADH8066 GSM Module) Jun 14 16:47:40 try using wires Jun 14 16:49:19 ta Jun 14 16:53:07 panto: I sent off an email, thanks for the help Jun 14 16:53:18 Sorry, Can someone help me? Jun 14 16:56:36 e_s_p, no problem Jun 14 16:56:46 Guest18657, didn't we? Jun 14 16:57:09 the RTC on the SoC doesn't work (there was no space on the board for a battery) Jun 14 16:57:41 use a ds1307 Jun 14 16:58:19 you should be worried if you get praise from the mpaa, right? Jun 14 16:58:55 narcos, it's standard uart Jun 14 16:59:09 be sure to logic level shift the DS1307 Jun 14 17:00:13 RTC will work if you use a lithium battery on the battery connectors, but you have to populate the test points with a header first Jun 14 17:03:38 and you'll have to use tps65217 sleep mode instead of OFF mode Jun 14 17:03:48 but then it should work fine Jun 14 17:05:59 hi all, for some reason during boot udev timeout when populating /dev if I boot with a storage device in the usb port, I'm using Debian Wheezy on the BBB, has anyone seen this before? Jun 14 17:06:26 please, do you have any suggestion on how to debug this? Jun 14 17:08:13 udevadm --trigger? Jun 14 17:09:33 mru: did the mpaa praise you? Jun 14 17:09:51 Adding DS1307, and with " i2cdetect -r" this one activated? Jun 14 17:11:18 panto: sorry, what do you mean? Jun 14 17:11:40 udevadm is used to debug udev problems Jun 14 17:11:55 Guest18657, no Jun 14 17:12:14 you need to create an i2c rtc device Jun 14 17:12:49 check firmware/capes/cape-bone-tester-00A0.dts for an example Jun 14 17:13:44 i guess two pads for an crystal and a pad to add a battery would have been a good idea Jun 14 17:15:05 And since do I create this device? Help me please Jun 14 17:15:23 Guest18657: 1) get datasheets from the internet Jun 14 17:15:33 Guest18657: 2) use kicad to copy and paste schematics Jun 14 17:15:44 Hello Guys ! Jun 14 17:15:46 Guest18657: 3) use eurocircuits&co to produce board Jun 14 17:15:53 Guest18657: 4) use soldering iron Jun 14 17:15:57 Guest18657: 5) ... Jun 14 17:16:01 Guest18657: 6) profit Jun 14 17:16:09 #exactsteps Jun 14 17:16:14 does the BeagleBord XM any 2D/3d acceleration ? Jun 14 17:16:27 panto: ok, sorry. but, well, after udev settles (a 120s timeout) during init scripts, I can login and call "udevadm trigger --verbose", and the event is triggered normally. Jun 14 17:16:35 my javascript gauges are laggy as f+++ Jun 14 17:16:41 KotH: goodness, no Jun 14 17:16:56 mru: good, then nothign to worry about :) Jun 14 17:17:02 panto: if I boot without the storage device in the usb, no udev timeout occurs. Jun 14 17:17:17 they praised france and hadopi Jun 14 17:17:26 lol Jun 14 17:17:29 i'm not surprised Jun 14 17:17:46 increase the timeout? Jun 14 17:17:50 france has a pecuiliar set of laws Jun 14 17:17:54 I'm not familiar with what debian does Jun 14 17:18:35 mru: we had a customer from france who wanted some cryptographic device Jun 14 17:19:05 mru: one of his requirements was: "no part must be produced or enter france during production or development" Jun 14 17:19:22 I have created a circuit, with a quartz, a chip 7940, and the exits SDA and SCL, I them have connected to the BBB (P9 pin 19 and 20), despues have inserted the command i2cdetect-r 1 and it does not detect the device, it is necessary to do something more that I have not born in mind? Jun 14 17:20:48 KotH: nice Jun 14 17:20:58 panto: ok, thanks. Jun 14 17:20:59 n'abend woglinde Jun 14 17:21:04 mru: yeah... Jun 14 17:21:40 mru: he feared that he'd violate some law even if one part of the device would cross the french border Jun 14 17:21:45 http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/06/11/review_beagleboard_beaglebone_black/ Jun 14 17:21:55 the comments are completely off-topic and hilarious Jun 14 17:22:25 panto: it's the register...not as bad as heise, but close :) Jun 14 17:22:42 has anybody tried out JS graphics on the Beagleboard XM and also experienced slow and laggy rendering. Jun 14 17:23:00 is there a way to improve the 2D rendering of the BBMX Jun 14 17:23:12 Berun: 1) asking the same question over and over will not get it answered, you just annoy people Jun 14 17:23:24 Berun: 2) using JS on a low power system is... well... stupid Jun 14 17:23:40 Berun: 3) using JS for anything but web is ... well.. stupid Jun 14 17:24:18 KotH: i thought node.js was rockstar tech Jun 14 17:24:26 Berun: 4) complainging about the slownes of an interpreted language with its interpreter running on an embedded system is... well... stupid Jun 14 17:24:42 W1N9Zr0: 1) it's a technique, not a technology Jun 14 17:25:22 Berun: consider using Qt. Jun 14 17:25:23 you might be right, but it produces fast results and i can use them on more then just one platform Jun 14 17:25:26 W1N9Zr0: 2) no comment on node.js... the words i'd use would not be appropriate for this channel Jun 14 17:25:51 jkridner|work, hi Jun 14 17:25:52 * jkridner|work believes that JS has its place on embedded systems, but high-performance graphics rendering isn't one of them. Jun 14 17:25:58 hi panto Jun 14 17:26:03 apparently it produces slow results Jun 14 17:26:13 Qt will be mynext step, but i need an result fast to show the possibillities of the setup Jun 14 17:26:17 lol Jun 14 17:26:58 jkridner|work: i'm not saying JS is worthless.. but having high expectation on performance of an JS interpreter on an embedded system does make the one uttering the complaint look stupid Jun 14 17:27:30 hi Jun 14 17:27:48 i wan´t to use very simple gauges and it still is laggy, i just thaught i might have forgotten to active some kind of 2d/3d acceleration Jun 14 17:28:06 javascript with 3d? Jun 14 17:28:18 on embedded device Jun 14 17:29:00 woglinde: exactly my point :) Jun 14 17:30:40 Berun: I suspect it has more to do with your JS rendering technique than with the display acceleration.... Jun 14 17:30:55 you need to optimize the visualization for fairly slow rendering speeds. Jun 14 17:31:53 hmm i am using these http://bernii.github.io/gauge.js/ which has no shadows or what so ever and seem very imple Jun 14 17:31:56 simple Jun 14 17:34:13 while we are all assembled here and answering weird questions: has anyone ever seen a real-world usecase for a memristor? Jun 14 17:34:28 I will live with the slow JS gauges for my prototype presentation and will create an QT gui afterwarts for the thesis Jun 14 17:34:49 Berun: what's your project about? Jun 14 17:36:40 it is an motorcycle multifunktion instrument whiuch will show temperatures ,speed, rpm, battery voltage, ... Jun 14 17:37:12 and all by using 1-Wire sensors Jun 14 17:37:28 o_0 Jun 14 17:37:39 1-wire as in dallas 1-wire or i2c? Jun 14 17:37:57 dallas 1-wire usb Jun 14 17:38:54 that sounds painful Jun 14 17:39:02 yeah.. it does Jun 14 17:39:07 the sensors are all already working Jun 14 17:39:23 i only have the problem to display the results Jun 14 17:40:15 in an attractive way Jun 14 17:40:44 of cause QT is the way to go, but for this i will need more time Jun 14 17:41:57 ka6sox: are you aware of any simulation models for quartz crystals that include phase noise processes and dips, possibly even aging? Jun 14 17:41:59 so i just thought i would simply copy and paste me an JS-page togehter for the presentation of the prototype. but it runs very lagg. Jun 14 17:43:32 sorry colsed the tab Jun 14 17:48:26 reading old (from 2006) scientific papers: a case why knowing more than just english is a good thing Jun 14 17:48:33 ^^' Jun 14 17:53:32 just to be sure, QT does run fine on the BB XM even when 6-8 diffrent gauges are running at a time ? Jun 14 17:53:59 Berun, if not, something is wrong with how you've compiled QT Jun 14 17:54:44 ok, thats promising ! Thanks alot! Jun 14 17:55:16 do we have any french here? Jun 14 17:56:02 god i hope not Jun 14 17:56:13 ;P Jun 14 17:56:15 mranostay: hey! they gave you the fries! Jun 14 17:56:30 and the liberty statue! Jun 14 17:56:34 you should be gratefull! Jun 14 17:57:05 KotH: why do you ask? Jun 14 17:57:20 trying to find an old phd thesis in electronic form Jun 14 17:57:39 and my french isnt good enought to navigate the french scientific sites quickly Jun 14 17:57:52 french is easy Jun 14 17:57:56 and there is no rikaichan for french Jun 14 17:58:12 it's jusr english with very bad grammar Jun 14 17:58:18 lol Jun 14 17:58:19 *just Jun 14 17:58:34 <_Sy_> good evening Jun 14 17:59:56 good morning _Sy_ Jun 14 18:00:52 <_Sy_> 19:00 here and the sun is still out, but I think thats all going to change tomorrow Jun 14 18:00:56 damn.. this thing is only 40 years old! and no digital copy on the net! Jun 14 18:01:15 _Sy_: 20:01:12 here Jun 14 18:01:43 <_Sy_> Technology is getting so cheap...ordered two 32GB memory sticks today, only Ł16 GBP each. Jun 14 18:03:25 meh.. and of course the author died a year ago.. so no way of contacting him anymore Jun 14 18:03:38 <_Sy_> Would really like a 3D printer...keep toying with the idea of buying one Jun 14 18:03:59 _Sy_: one out of one koen would say yes Jun 14 18:04:43 KotH: what is the title of the paper you are looking for Jun 14 18:04:44 <_Sy_> Any reccomendations? Jun 14 18:04:55 robertjw: Titre : Jun 14 18:04:57 MĂ©canismes non linĂ©aires dans les rĂ©sonateurs Ă  quartz Jun 14 18:04:58 KotH: are you sure there's _no_ way? Jun 14 18:05:03 robertjw: by gagnepain Jun 14 18:05:18 mru: none that i know of Jun 14 18:05:27 KotH: I can understand that french Jun 14 18:06:01 it's practically english Jun 14 18:06:17 <_Sy_> Is there a way to determine with opkg how big the packages are? I need to remove some to free up some space...was thinking of some of the GUI stuff I don't use, like Firefox. Jun 14 18:06:58 mru: juup.. technical french, is fairly simple, compaired to literature... modulo the strange replacement words they use Jun 14 18:07:37 oh, I can't read french literature Jun 14 18:08:11 mru: i got fairly good at pretending to be able to read them Jun 14 18:08:22 yeah.. highschool wasnt good for my mental health ;) Jun 14 18:08:52 I've been reading some french tech news for a while Jun 14 18:09:14 I was surprised how easy it is Jun 14 18:10:33 KotH: I have access to a university database, and your citation comes up blank. sorry... Jun 14 18:10:56 robertjw: the only place i have found it was http://www.sudoc.abes.fr/DB=2.1/SRCH?IKT=12&TRM=008747431 Jun 14 18:11:13 robertjw: and a few papers and other disserations mentioning it Jun 14 18:11:30 robertjw: none of the swiss libraries have it either :-( Jun 14 18:12:49 KotH: ahh, that looks like a doctoral thesis, not a journal article. That's probably why you are having trouble finding it. You might have to go directly to the univ where it was published. Jun 14 18:13:17 robertjw: looks like it... Jun 14 18:15:07 KotH: UniversitĂ© de Franche-comtĂ© Jun 14 18:15:18 merci! Jun 14 18:15:27 speak american here dammit Jun 14 18:15:40 nei, tömmer nöd! Jun 14 18:15:51 Ja Voll! Jun 14 18:15:58 mranostay, can't my truck is out of order; I shot out the tires by accident Jun 14 18:16:15 did a bald eagle distract you? Jun 14 18:16:28 no, Freedom did! Jun 14 18:16:37 is there a difference? Jun 14 18:16:45 no Jun 14 18:16:51 * panto blows up the Eiffel tower Jun 14 18:17:12 I'll see if I can't find you a coupon for some tires down at walmart Jun 14 18:18:15 * mranostay should write a bot to repost all of mru's and av500's posts Jun 14 18:18:25 KotH: http://www.univ-fcomte.fr/ Jun 14 18:18:46 mranostay: feel free to try Jun 14 18:18:49 robertjw: any idea who i should contact? Jun 14 18:19:00 robertjw: i have no idea how french universities are strucutred¨ Jun 14 18:19:26 mranostay: a kangbot Jun 14 18:20:06 KotH: lots of corridors usually Jun 14 18:20:16 you've seen them Jun 14 18:20:26 hmm.. Jun 14 18:20:31 maybe i should pester j-b Jun 14 18:25:56 Jan-Derk Bakker? Jun 14 18:26:07 always pester j-b Jun 14 18:26:27 Russ: jean-baptiste Jun 14 18:28:11 Jean Luke? Jun 14 18:30:57 john luck pickard! Jun 14 18:38:34 <_av500_> KotH: what do you need? Jun 14 18:38:38 <_av500_> from french uni? Jun 14 18:38:54 _av500_: i'm looking for an old doctoral thesis Jun 14 18:39:06 <_av500_> what uni? Jun 14 18:39:18 http://www.univ-fcomte.fr/ Jun 14 18:40:00 <_av500_> Besançon?? Jun 14 18:40:06 juup Jun 14 18:40:20 <_av500_> ask on vlc-devel then :) Jun 14 18:40:23 UniversitĂ© de Franche-comtĂ©. UFR des sciences et techniques. Jun 14 18:40:23 the center of research on quartz oscillators Jun 14 18:40:37 <_av500_> omg Jun 14 18:40:53 *g* Jun 14 18:41:20 sounds like a fun centre Jun 14 18:41:35 <_av500_> truly oscillating Jun 14 18:41:42 <_av500_> so vibrant Jun 14 18:42:27 really tuned into my interests Jun 14 18:44:01 hi Jun 14 18:44:59 <_av500_> lo Jun 14 18:45:17 z Jun 14 18:47:03 <_av500_> n.c. Jun 14 18:51:00 x Jun 14 19:04:09 y Jun 14 19:05:55 t Jun 14 19:09:05 * bradfa_ feels shame, did not have bacon for lunch... Jun 14 19:09:27 * bradfa_ is now hungry again... Jun 14 19:09:30 bradfa_: that is the least of things you should be ashamed of Jun 14 19:09:57 * bradfa_ feels shame for other things too Jun 14 19:14:08 bradfa_: fuzzy bacon pics plz Jun 14 19:17:19 <_av500_> ~ Jun 14 19:19:16 I tell people I have friends on the Internet. They ask me why. Jun 14 19:29:37 F Jun 14 19:29:38 R Jun 14 19:29:38 I Jun 14 19:29:39 D Jun 14 19:29:40 A Jun 14 19:29:41 Y Jun 14 19:30:14 Jun 14 19:30:15 T Jun 14 19:30:16 R Jun 14 19:30:17 O Jun 14 19:30:23 hehe Jun 14 19:30:43 * bradfa answers knock at door Jun 14 19:31:03 bradfa: d00d, dave is not here man.... Jun 14 19:31:23 oh, that takes me back. Jun 14 19:37:05 KotH, not really Jun 14 19:37:21 prpplague, "no, its dave on the PHONE" Jun 14 19:37:39 nah, man.. dave's not here Jun 14 19:38:04 no man, its ME Dave...on the Phone... Jun 14 19:38:36 sorry dave, I can't do that Jun 14 19:38:58 HAL is not IBM compatible Jun 14 19:38:59 mru, were you around for that one? Jun 14 19:39:11 which one? Jun 14 19:39:26 2001 Jun 14 19:39:38 do I really seem that old? Jun 14 19:39:43 no Jun 14 19:39:46 thats why I asked Jun 14 19:39:48 ka6sox, I was alive in 2001! Jun 14 19:39:57 hehe Jun 14 19:40:03 bradfa, so was my son, but thats not saying much Jun 14 19:40:04 mranostay might not have been, though Jun 14 19:40:11 :) Jun 14 19:40:24 * bradfa graduated from high school in 2001 Jun 14 19:40:41 whoa...I got you beat by 25yrs Jun 14 19:40:42 whippersnapper Jun 14 19:40:50 ka6sox, you could be my fater! Jun 14 19:40:52 :P Jun 14 19:41:00 oh brother Jun 14 19:41:01 luke! Jun 14 19:41:01 s/fater/father/ Jun 14 19:41:07 ka6sox, happy father's day! Jun 14 19:41:11 thanks Jun 14 19:41:14 bradfa: bite me Jun 14 19:41:39 tuesday I get to start using the Senior Discounts Jun 14 19:41:41 mranostay, i'm still at work, we have a no alcohol policy during work hours, so sorry, I can't bite you I might ingest alcohol Jun 14 19:41:57 bradfa, +1 Jun 14 19:42:02 +2 Jun 14 19:42:18 ka6sox, I have 3 SD cards I will mail you so you will no longer be SD card-less Jun 14 19:42:31 I have a bagzillion 1GB ones Jun 14 19:42:33 speaking of which, I should probably flash this board before I go home... Jun 14 19:42:42 ka6sox, these are super special 4 GB ones! Jun 14 19:43:00 and mru, don't worry, by flash this board I mean write some files to an SD card Jun 14 19:43:47 bradfa, w00t! Jun 14 19:44:06 * bradfa goes to find envelope for mailing Jun 14 19:44:45 bradfa: i can't win Jun 14 19:45:14 mranostay, first true statement of the day Jun 14 19:45:17 mranostay, drugs and alcohol never got anyone anywhere (except if you're in a band) Jun 14 19:45:59 bradfa: ok mom :) Jun 14 19:46:25 ka6sox: nice http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/183 Jun 14 19:47:06 mranostay: the barmaid apparently got a job at a mental institution, perhaps you'll meet her Jun 14 19:48:34 mru: what did i do now? :) Jun 14 19:48:34 mranostay, I thought nobody picked up on that... Jun 14 19:48:45 I use that in reference to going from JS to c++ Jun 14 19:49:07 ka6sox, those are some hard drugs Jun 14 19:49:18 s/are/require/ Jun 14 19:49:19 nobody expects to be picked up by 26-26-54 Jun 14 19:49:34 It's the 26-26-54 inquisition! Jun 14 19:49:53 we're still in the acquisition phase Jun 14 19:50:40 * mranostay mutters 'x86' over and over in a fetal position in the corner Jun 14 19:50:42 mru, does that mean 26-26-54 is a part of Prism? Jun 14 19:50:50 wow, I'm lost. Jun 14 19:51:06 myself: you must be new here Jun 14 19:51:09 myself, you have no idea... Jun 14 19:51:27 I'm not myself Jun 14 19:51:28 <_av500_> myself: you are not Jun 14 19:51:42 <_av500_> myself: ignore the trols Jun 14 19:51:45 <_av500_> just ask Jun 14 19:51:47 <_av500_> trolls too Jun 14 19:51:48 myself: you're not, the nsa never loses anyone Jun 14 19:51:57 myself: so ignore everyone in the channel? Jun 14 19:52:12 <_av500_> mru: they just misplace people Jun 14 19:52:14 mranostay, my beaglebones still have arm processors on them, Intel must be doing something wrong Jun 14 19:52:39 <_av500_> level shifters, the future are level shifters Jun 14 19:52:53 * mru shifts up a level Jun 14 19:52:55 bradfa: bite me :) Jun 14 19:53:04 I thought we went over this? Jun 14 19:53:05 just a shift to the left, and a shift to the right.. Jun 14 19:53:44 Friday the 14th! Don't walk under any black cats! Jun 14 19:54:03 * mranostay notes Friday is in full swing here.... Jun 14 19:54:40 <_av500_> mranostay: dont you have like A20 gates to toggle? Jun 14 19:54:56 <_av500_> or add bytes to opcodes? Jun 14 19:55:00 _av500_, why would mranostay play with AllWinner parts? Jun 14 19:55:42 * bradfa goes to get beers Jun 14 19:56:14 hey i thought you couldn't bite me! Jun 14 19:56:26 he said *in* the office Jun 14 19:56:31 he is now OUT Jun 14 19:56:44 <_av500_> gettin all fuzzy Jun 14 19:57:40 mranostay: http://youtu.be/CvD4K6IqXgM?t=1m9s Jun 14 19:59:29 26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/52 Jun 14 20:00:37 myself, http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/186 Jun 14 20:01:16 ka6sox: are you monitoring a live feed or something? Jun 14 20:01:36 and no, there is no live feed Jun 14 20:01:44 so ka6sox must be hooked into prism Jun 14 20:01:55 mru....sssh Jun 14 20:01:59 ahem av500 has a scrapper Jun 14 20:02:11 nope Jun 14 20:02:15 mranostay: I know Jun 14 20:02:25 I have zee sekret codez Jun 14 20:02:39 zee sekret code is $ Jun 14 20:02:57 mranostay: the scraper doesn't run that often Jun 14 20:03:07 only once a day iirc Jun 14 20:03:09 * mranostay shakes ka6sox the magic 8 ball Jun 14 20:03:25 ka6sox: you pay for access? Jun 14 20:03:30 how much to they charge? Jun 14 20:03:34 *do Jun 14 20:03:36 mranostay,if I did that to you it would be child abuse Jun 14 20:04:04 mru: have you added like 15 in last 2 days? Jun 14 20:04:16 26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/$ Jun 14 20:04:18 mranostay: no idea Jun 14 20:04:54 anyone need a stack of black Jun 14 20:05:23 yes Jun 14 20:05:36 ka6sox: +1 Jun 14 20:06:38 I see that #beagle-friday is in full force Jun 14 20:09:03 mranostay, now that you have trolled all the local bars are you having to expand your radius? Jun 14 20:09:29 warning not orginal. but i fodn it funny Jun 14 20:09:49 I wanted to tell you a joke about UDP, but i'm not sure if you would get it Jun 14 20:10:42 old Jun 14 20:11:25 mru :P Jun 14 20:11:49 I should not have revealed my sekret :P Jun 14 20:13:16 * ka6sox writes his own scraper Jun 14 20:14:04 mru: was that on purpose? Jun 14 20:14:14 was what? Jun 14 20:14:37 huh? Jun 14 20:14:46 the list of items Jun 14 20:14:48 <_av500_> mru: twice a day Jun 14 20:15:00 ka6sox: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/%27 Jun 14 20:15:25 oh wait it is a search feature Jun 14 20:15:39 ah and $ is EOL so everything gets listed Jun 14 20:15:40 <_av500_> mru: wow, you added search Jun 14 20:15:49 you didn't notice until now? Jun 14 20:15:55 that's been there for like 6 months Jun 14 20:17:03 <_av500_> I did not Jun 14 20:17:06 <_av500_> I use my rss feed Jun 14 20:17:08 <_av500_> :) Jun 14 20:17:26 I'm pretty sure I've even mentioned it explicitly at some point Jun 14 20:17:43 <_av500_> I sleep 1-2 hours a day Jun 14 20:18:03 I thought trolls don't sleep Jun 14 20:18:25 trolls cat nap Jun 14 20:19:32 cat /dev/nap Jun 14 20:20:57 yup Jun 14 20:21:27 in soviet russia, cat naps you Jun 14 20:32:02 hello Jun 14 20:32:12 i need help for my website Jun 14 20:32:18 can any 1? Jun 14 20:32:52 you would be better to ask about Beagles in here. Jun 14 20:33:24 (or on a friday afternoon....Adult Beverages) Jun 14 20:33:25 is it best to walk a beagle before or after feeding it? Jun 14 20:33:38 after Jun 14 20:33:52 <_av500_> ali0315123: ask, dont ask to ask Jun 14 20:34:06 * ka6sox gets popcorn Jun 14 20:34:08 * jkridner|work looks at /topic Jun 14 20:34:27 jkridner_: you're probably the first to do that in a very long time Jun 14 20:34:35 what does a beagle taste like? Jun 14 20:34:37 say,say to say Jun 14 20:34:48 wtf Jun 14 20:34:59 jkridner_: drunk? :) Jun 14 20:35:03 probably Jun 14 20:35:13 I'd say it's beyond probable Jun 14 20:35:42 :-) Jun 14 20:35:53 all that to change nicks? Jun 14 20:36:04 * jkridner forgot the command 'ghost'. Jun 14 20:36:10 ya Jun 14 20:37:58 tl;dr Jun 14 20:38:01 <_av500_> +1 Jun 14 20:38:07 make that "Question of STFU" Jun 14 20:38:26 <_av500_> QOSTFU Jun 14 20:38:34 *or Jun 14 20:39:11 jeebus Jun 14 20:41:25 what kind of bus? Jun 14 20:43:35 It's a voice controlled buss. Jun 14 20:44:04 isn't that geebus? Jun 14 21:53:03 ka6sox: you still about Jun 14 21:53:29 for small values Jun 14 21:53:30 he's not mranostay so he shouldn't be drunk quite yet Jun 14 21:53:47 mru, I'm *rarely* drunkj Jun 14 21:54:07 let me discuss that with that 'j' there... Jun 14 21:54:18 *hic* Jun 14 21:55:33 * ka6sox waits for mrpackethead to wake up after his question (or time out) Jun 14 21:56:36 dwery: how much have you used the towertech cancape? Jun 14 21:57:22 CalcMan, he designed it? Jun 14 21:57:23 :) Jun 14 21:57:37 doesn't mean he's _used_ it Jun 14 21:57:53 really? i knew he was adding code, didn't realize he was the designer Jun 14 21:57:56 a lot of things have clearly never been used by those who designed them Jun 14 21:58:12 i've just been doing some "performance testing" if you will Jun 14 21:58:31 saturating a 500kbps bus to like 80something % Jun 14 21:58:40 (on all 3 interfaces) Jun 14 21:59:06 <_av500_> busbanging Jun 14 21:59:11 <_av500_> oops Jun 14 21:59:20 kind of takes the board out of commision as all the IRQs from the mcp2515s cause the kernel scheduler to have a fit Jun 14 21:59:53 as a note, the dcan interface on chip is much better then the mcp2515s :) Jun 14 22:00:35 ka6sox: alcohol can fix that Jun 14 22:00:48 mranostay, can fix what? Jun 14 22:02:31 ka6sox: sorry Jun 14 22:02:35 moved desks Jun 14 22:02:37 ka6sox: presumably being rarely drunk Jun 14 22:03:18 CalcMan, don't like being drunk Jun 14 22:03:23 i was being slighty lazy, but had a question you might know. Can the SPI ports be muxed to different pins on teh headers? Or is there only 1 possibility per perphial Jun 14 22:03:26 mrpackethead, okay I'm here... Jun 14 22:03:37 ka6sox: being drunk like a glass of water? Jun 14 22:03:43 that does seem unpleasant Jun 14 22:03:56 there are several pins...however....they are possibly being used by something which you might still want to use Jun 14 22:04:13 yeah, i was wanting to use the digital audio Jun 14 22:04:17 and the SPI's Jun 14 22:05:20 my second favourite shirt (after "Stop Plate Tectonics!") is "One Tequila, two Tequila, 3 Tequilla, Floor" Jun 14 22:05:38 mrpackethead, page 73 Jun 14 22:05:55 of the BBB manual shows all the possible pinmux states Jun 14 22:06:18 CalcMan, Possible != Probable Jun 14 22:06:29 prossible Jun 14 22:06:35 especially where BBB is concerned. Jun 14 22:06:47 mru: new word! Jun 14 22:06:57 prussible Jun 14 22:06:58 spi0 only has one jump point on P9 Jun 14 22:07:13 or prubable Jun 14 22:07:15 <_av500_> leave hte PRUssians out of it Jun 14 22:07:34 spi1 ( you have 2 choices for chipselect and clock), but data is stuck Jun 14 22:07:52 <_av500_> stuck on 0 or 1? Jun 14 22:08:02 <_av500_> or in the middle? Jun 14 22:08:08 _av500_: prussian doesn't exists anymore :P Jun 14 22:08:12 don't see any spi pins on P8 Jun 14 22:08:14 <_av500_> mranostay: sure does Jun 14 22:08:25 * ka6sox cat 1 > /dev/nap Jun 14 22:08:43 1: No such file or directory Jun 14 22:09:07 /dev/nap: Permission denied Jun 14 22:09:37 <_av500_> sudokat Jun 14 22:10:15 This incident will be reported to your supervisor. Jun 14 22:10:27 or whatever sudo lies to you with Jun 14 22:10:35 http://xkcd.com/838/ Jun 14 22:11:21 the mouseover on that suddenly has a new meaning Jun 14 22:11:38 <_av500_> indeed Jun 14 22:11:58 <_av500_> it went from enigmatic to prismatic Jun 14 22:17:45 mru: i am sure you sudo violations are reported to someone far worse than chris Jun 14 22:18:17 mru: i am thinking the BBC license office Jun 14 22:18:20 sudo isn't even installed on this machine Jun 14 22:20:42 sudo av500 -get-me-beer Jun 14 23:29:38 sanity check, please. New Black, working tethered 'cause that's more convenient right now. Got new SanDisk 8G uSD, and things turned weird. If the card is inserted during boot, the card hangs at three LEDs, as though it's trying to boot from the SD or something. Boot without it, insert it, it doesn't seem to be aware of it... I'm spoiled, things are supposed to Just Work unless my code is buggy. Cryptic and opaque systems is for when I'm forced to Jun 14 23:29:39 mess with Windows :-( Jun 14 23:30:03 Tartarus: any idea what the bootp in the spl expects to get in the response? i am sending it ip, serverip, server name, filename to boot and subnet mask Jun 14 23:30:28 vvu|Mobile, sounds right Jun 14 23:30:36 have you gotten things working outside of android? Jun 14 23:30:47 YOu could always toss wireshark/etc at the problem, on a working setup Jun 14 23:31:12 wireshark does USB as well, so you can watch things at all sorts of levels Jun 14 23:35:29 fascinating... I thought there were man pages, but today it doesn't seem to find any? Jun 14 23:42:17 Tartarus: something is pesky around here. the bootp server that i have supplied spl to the ROM and now it does not want to supply file to the spl. even if i have rule for that mac addr Jun 14 23:43:48 IIRC, bootp only tells it where to look for file(s), the files come from a tftp (?) server Jun 14 23:43:54 attached wireshark on my usb0 interface and no reply there Jun 14 23:44:05 martinm: right Jun 14 23:44:16 okay, then :-) Jun 14 23:46:18 nap: Check...Done Jun 14 23:55:21 ka6sox: WAKE Jun 14 23:55:23 UP! Jun 15 00:02:27 is it rest:30 yet? Jun 15 00:09:11 it's solder FPGA:30 Jun 15 00:09:40 aaaaah, flux fumes... Jun 15 00:17:22 vvu|Mobile, back Jun 15 00:17:30 So, it's a bit funny to feed one file to ROM and another to U-Boot Jun 15 00:17:39 er, a second to SPL and a third to U-Boot Jun 15 00:17:48 U-Boot uses the vendor-class-identifier string Jun 15 00:17:58 And isc-dhcpd can grok and deal with that Jun 15 00:18:18 yeah, bootpd cannot distinguish Jun 15 00:18:21 between rom and spl Jun 15 00:18:26 there is my problem Jun 15 00:20:05 is the spl playing nice when there is no kernel rndis driver ? Jun 15 00:23:35 http://pastebin.com/a99yeS62 at request 4 i disable the kernel driver to take control with libusb Jun 15 00:23:45 mastiff, the drag method works well for these parts Jun 15 00:24:07 Tartarus: when it starts again it hangs Jun 15 00:24:29 yeah that's what I did, worked well just cleaning up a couple shorts Jun 15 00:44:42 vvu|Mobile, you need a bootpd with some smarts Jun 15 00:44:52 Or you need to hack up bootpd Jun 15 00:45:16 Or, remind me monday to poke my email and see how some folks internally have kludged around this for Windows, as there's no dhcp servers that grok vendor-class-identifier Jun 15 00:46:58 later trolls! Jun 15 00:47:21 where are the earlier trolls? Jun 15 00:47:42 Tartarus: is a troll Jun 15 00:48:12 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/139 Jun 15 00:48:35 mru: we have enough quotes for everything now don't we? Jun 15 00:49:20 we're pretty well covered Jun 15 01:31:54 emeb_mac: got the headers for my bcc in today, resoldered the fpga, and tested for shorts Jun 15 01:32:15 mastiff: yay! Jun 15 01:33:53 getting ready to try it out? Jun 15 01:35:27 yeah I need to finish getting my BBB setup for it Jun 15 01:40:31 emeb_mac, I was hoping they had a fix for the BBB Jun 15 01:40:36 looks like thats not the case Jun 15 01:40:59 ka6sox: fix for what? Jun 15 01:44:09 I was looking at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian, and wasn't certain I understood exactly what it was proposing wrt a Debian install. So what does ./mk_mcc.sh do -- does it create an mcc card with the Debian install you want to boot on the device? Jun 15 01:45:36 don't know, took the easy way out with the flasher image Jun 15 01:47:16 Also, can the beaglebone black boot from the ssd and just ignore the internal storage (assuming I don't figure out how to put my main install there)? Jun 15 01:48:00 emeb_mac, they put in a patch to have the eMMC wait...but its not really waiting Jun 15 01:48:59 ka6sox: aha - the eMMC strikes again. Jun 15 01:49:13 I've just been living with it so far. Jun 15 02:02:55 hey guys Jun 15 02:03:26 what are the limits of this board? Jun 15 02:03:48 limits in what sense? Jun 15 02:03:58 88mph Jun 15 02:04:02 how much load it can take if used as a construction element? Jun 15 02:04:36 1.21 jiggawatts Jun 15 02:05:37 can I run fedora on it with gnome? Jun 15 02:06:32 sure, but it won't reach 88mph that way Jun 15 02:13:09 mru, +1 Jun 15 02:13:44 RFID all things Jun 15 02:13:52 wtf Jun 15 02:15:23 random friday Jun 15 02:15:41 it's several hours into saturday here Jun 15 02:15:48 but I suppose that doesn't really matter Jun 15 02:16:34 mru, UGT Baybee Jun 15 02:16:48 so when is ugt friday? Jun 15 02:17:27 hmm, it's suddenly quiet outside... the nightclubs must have closed Jun 15 02:24:30 mru, UNK Jun 15 02:25:09 nightclubs that close? Humbug! Jun 15 02:25:25 welcome to britain Jun 15 02:25:32 not that I care really Jun 15 02:25:37 I'm never out that late anyway Jun 15 02:26:08 that must be why crazy brits go on vacation to Latvia and the get their crazy on. Jun 15 02:26:47 I wouldn't know, I'm not british Jun 15 02:32:12 I'm not either, but when we were visiting Latvia the locals were always asking if we were from england. Jun 15 02:32:57 One of the few times traveling in Europe when being American was an advantage. Jun 15 02:34:04 I'm american only when travelling in america Jun 15 02:34:20 I haven't found it to be an advantage elsewhere Jun 15 02:35:11 the only foreign country where I was not fearing for my life as an American was Albania. Jun 15 02:35:16 that's what I'm saying too. Jun 15 02:36:02 israel is one place I'd consider using my us passport Jun 15 02:36:14 if only to keep the other one "clean" should I ever go to an arab country Jun 15 02:36:20 there's that Jun 15 02:37:03 and if you ever had an arab stamp in your passport, don't use it in israel Jun 15 02:37:18 that's probably less troublesome Jun 15 02:37:24 somewhat Jun 15 02:37:34 being jumped in a dark alley outside of the hotel is not an advantage? Jun 15 02:37:51 ds2: no idea, never tried that Jun 15 02:38:00 when I went there, one of our party was from Egypt - he got to go sit in a little room and get interviewed for a couple hours. Jun 15 02:38:01 emeb_mac: would jordan count as arab for this purpose? Jun 15 02:38:28 I think so Jun 15 02:38:45 ds2: I've known some folks who went to Israel and then crossed over to Jordan for some touristy stuff w/o issue. Jun 15 02:38:52 emeb_mac: _being from_ an arab country and having _visited_ one are very different things Jun 15 02:39:10 mru: I guess - but this guy was naturalized American. Jun 15 02:39:35 I assume he still looked arabic Jun 15 02:39:51 and probably had such a name Jun 15 02:40:24 mru: The name was probably what did it - very common, likely on a list. Jun 15 02:40:42 was the the equiv of John Smith? Jun 15 02:40:49 yeah Jun 15 02:41:41 someone said he found it amusing to walk onto a street in egypt or so, yell 'muhammed' at the top of his voice, and see how many heads turned Jun 15 02:41:51 lol Jun 15 02:42:13 hahaahaha Jun 15 02:42:58 Probably about like walking onto a street in Mexico and shouting "Jose". Jun 15 02:42:59 I don't think any name is that common in english-speaking countries Jun 15 02:43:14 is Jose more common there then Juan? Jun 15 02:43:58 probably no more so Jun 15 02:45:05 I think I saw results of a study here that said the most common boys name in the US in recent years was "Jose". Jun 15 02:45:16 (for newly named babies) Jun 15 02:46:59 but that could have been muckraking - a quick google search suggests Liam is the most common for this year. Jun 15 02:54:13 we do go thru phases Jun 15 02:54:27 for a while I heard Brandt or Brendan Jun 15 02:54:32 who knows Jun 15 02:55:16 I find americans more often than brits have outlandish names Jun 15 02:55:45 outlandish = names you don't hear often in your own area. Jun 15 02:55:48 for instance, I've never met anyone over here called Destiny Jun 15 02:55:58 heh Jun 15 02:56:06 which I have stateside Jun 15 02:56:11 or her children Jun 15 02:59:19 and we don't get a lot of Cyrils, Nigels or Alfies here. Jun 15 02:59:37 nigel is a perfectly normal name Jun 15 02:59:45 Not in the US **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 15 02:59:58 2013