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Jun 24 04:03:47 <m_billybob> typical weekend in here eh ?
Jun 24 04:04:00 <m_billybob> almost as if its the 4th already.
Jun 24 04:53:42 <mranostay> m_billybob: trolls!
Jun 24 04:58:41 <dm8tbr> moooo
Jun 24 04:59:28 <mranostay> dm8tbr: TROOL!
Jun 24 04:59:36 <mranostay> *TROLL
Jun 24 05:02:29 <mranostay> hi emocakes
Jun 24 05:02:55 <emocakes> hai
Jun 24 05:03:13 <dm8tbr> mranostay: trololololololo!
Jun 24 05:47:25 <av500> NUKE THEM FROM ORBIT!
Jun 24 05:47:30 <av500> oops, wrong channel
Jun 24 06:05:42 * Russ wonders which channel is the right channel for such language
Jun 24 06:12:27 <kblin> Russ: #politics or somesuch ;)
Jun 24 06:15:06 <Modo_> hi, does anyone know if there is a beagleboneblack debian ARMEL (not armhf) image avaible for download anywhere ?
Jun 24 06:50:33 <Modo_> hi, does anyone know if there is a beagleboneblack debian ARMEL (not armhf) image avaible for download anywhere ?
Jun 24 06:57:38 <philenotfound> spenser309: iirc you're working on the ti-gfx stuff, right?
Jun 24 06:57:46 <KotH> a wonderfull, rainy JIHAD everyone!
Jun 24 06:58:12 <Russ> KotH, here, we just call it Monday
Jun 24 06:59:50 <KotH> here, we just drink tea and enjoy the blood bath :)
Jun 24 07:01:16 <_Sy_> hello
Jun 24 07:02:42 <_Sy_> Anyone here?
Jun 24 07:03:56 <KotH> no, we just went home
Jun 24 07:04:14 <_Sy_> :)
Jun 24 07:05:26 <LetoThe2nd> howdy pardners
Jun 24 07:05:45 <_Sy_> I'm making good progress on my project now, I need to connect two BBB's together to communicate using another media other than ethernet, so I can tell if one of them has fallen over....I plan to use both ethernet and another method and if comms is lost on both then I can determine the BBB is down...
Jun 24 07:06:15 <_Sy_> Are they're any FAQ's or posts on connecting via serial links?
Jun 24 07:07:14 <LetoThe2nd> man ppp ;)
Jun 24 07:09:50 <_Sy_> How does ppp help, its a protocol, I already have communications over ethernet, I want to connect them via serial too.
Jun 24 07:11:01 <KotH> _Sy_: you have to set the right pinmux for the serial interface you want to use
Jun 24 07:11:11 <KotH> _Sy_: after that, it's all just using the right tty
Jun 24 07:11:40 <_Sy_> ty, will take a look tonight
Jun 24 07:16:21 <emocakes> oooh ppp
Jun 24 07:19:14 <LetoThe2nd> and then you can use ppp over the serial pins to establish and watch a link ;)
Jun 24 07:19:27 <LetoThe2nd> mind, plain ppp, not pppoe ;)
Jun 24 07:20:51 <m_billybob> could even do something like settign the WDT buthey thats crazyness
Jun 24 07:21:00 <LetoThe2nd> <3 WDT
Jun 24 07:21:18 <LetoThe2nd> but wdt over serial sounds a bit crazy indeed ;)
Jun 24 07:21:35 <m_billybob> no need to use uart
Jun 24 07:21:42 <m_billybob> jus ta simple gpio pin
Jun 24 07:21:45 <LetoThe2nd> (was a joke)
Jun 24 07:22:29 <m_billybob> lol
Jun 24 07:23:20 <m_billybob> this was my exictment for the day
Jun 24 07:23:22 <m_billybob> http://www.embeddedhobbyist.com/beaglebone-black-init-scripts-default-gatewayand-ntpdate/
Jun 24 07:23:36 <m_billybob> excitement too
Jun 24 07:24:01 <m_billybob> nothign worse than having somethign working only to break when you do somethign else, to lend to even more confusion.
Jun 24 07:34:01 <jkroon_> koen, ping
Jun 24 07:56:33 <acerext> i want to know how to edit android rom for beagle board
Jun 24 07:57:50 <KotH> use a focused heavy ion beam
Jun 24 07:58:13 <acerext> any one with d answer??
Jun 24 07:58:31 <acerext> i want to know how to edit android rom for beagle board???
Jun 24 07:59:04 <av500> no
Jun 24 08:01:23 <ynezz> xxd rom.img | vim
Jun 24 08:01:45 <ynezz> err,  xxd system.img | vim
Jun 24 08:01:46 <das> lachen heraus laut
Jun 24 08:01:51 <cityLights> did anyone install gentoo on the BBB and can offer an iso
Jun 24 08:02:44 <ka6sox> mourning
Jun 24 08:19:52 <kilroi> How to set a static IP on a BBB?
Jun 24 08:23:32 <av500> http://www.gigamegablog.com/2012/02/06/beaglebone-linux-101-assigning-a-static-ip-address-with-connman/
Jun 24 08:29:52 <Modo_> hi, does anyone know if there is a beagleboneblack debian ARMEL (not armhf) image avaible for download anywhere ?
Jun 24 08:31:33 <av500> there is this startup in mountain view
Jun 24 08:31:45 <av500> they like surf all websites
Jun 24 08:31:49 <av500> take notes
Jun 24 08:31:51 <kilroi> ok, I tried this and there is no output with ./get-services
Jun 24 08:32:26 <KotH> das: lhl? :)
Jun 24 08:32:29 <kilroi> con(n)mand is running
Jun 24 08:33:32 <KotH> JIHAD! ka6sox-away
Jun 24 08:34:42 <kilroi> and ./set-ipv4-method ethernet_c8a030abd2fb_cable manual 192.168.178.5 255.255.255.0 192.168.178.1 produces a bunch of errors.
Jun 24 08:35:46 <m_billybob> Modo_ it'd be pre 3.8 if you do find one
Jun 24 08:36:36 <av500> kilroi: it used to work for me
Jun 24 08:36:41 <av500> but that was like 6mo ago
Jun 24 08:36:48 <av500> dunno what changed inbetween
Jun 24 08:37:26 <kilroi> which image? perhaps i flash anorther one
Jun 24 08:37:39 <av500> whatever was the image back then
Jun 24 08:38:05 <av500> and it was not a BBB image
Jun 24 08:38:13 <kilroi> wich board revision?
Jun 24 08:38:34 <av500> it does not matter
Jun 24 08:38:39 <av500> this is a conmann issue
Jun 24 08:38:43 <kilroi> i have A5B
Jun 24 08:38:47 <av500> and XM
Jun 24 08:38:51 <av500> an*
Jun 24 08:39:23 <kilroi> ok thanks, let me try
Jun 24 08:40:13 <KotH> kilroi: oh.. i see you can now properly thank people! what a wonderfull development!
Jun 24 08:40:33 <m_billybob> JIHAD !
Jun 24 08:41:12 <KotH> JIHAD you too!
Jun 24 08:41:19 <m_billybob> heh
Jun 24 08:41:30 * m_billybob fires up DS9 season 3 andclimbs into bed
Jun 24 08:41:33 <m_billybob> nini
Jun 24 08:42:03 <KotH> sleep well!
Jun 24 10:12:27 <krish> hello
Jun 24 10:12:51 <Guest45328> need help
Jun 24 10:15:20 <av500> yes
Jun 24 10:21:24 <KotH> .o0(what a name)
Jun 24 10:30:29 <jackmitchell> I'm trying to boot the beaglebone with the mainline kernel, using the latest set of DMA patches, now, all seems to be going well but then the kernel gets stuck at 'Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p2'
Jun 24 10:30:47 <jackmitchell> however, the kernel is located on the mmc
Jun 24 10:31:24 <jackmitchell> so the mmc driver is definitely working; does hanging at this message set off any alarm bells for anyone?
Jun 24 10:31:47 <jackmitchell> filesystem support maybe?
Jun 24 10:33:19 <XorA> jackmitchell: mainline has no mmc driver defined in DTB for bone
Jun 24 10:34:31 <jackmitchell> XorA: ah hah, that would do it ;)
Jun 24 10:34:53 <jackmitchell> so led3 is tied to mmc0, but there is no mmc0
Jun 24 10:35:04 <jackmitchell> don't you just love consistency
Jun 24 10:35:33 <XorA> koens evil vendor tree has many patches not upstreamed :-(
Jun 24 10:36:29 <jackmitchell> yes, I understand; but I'm playing with a for-next 3.11 tree, which has supposedly been booted on mmc
Jun 24 10:36:46 <jackmitchell> however there must have been more patches in it that weren't posted
Jun 24 10:38:10 <jackmitchell> I would copy over the mcc definition from koens tree, but the bindings have changed a lot since  3.8 and I don't think it would be compatible
Jun 24 11:07:48 <Relampago> Hi
Jun 24 11:56:56 <mrpackethead> Chocolate?
Jun 24 11:56:59 <mrpackethead> finally home
Jun 24 11:59:15 <KotH> juup, i have some here
Jun 24 12:10:31 * av500 only has a roll of Doppelkeks
Jun 24 12:11:53 <KotH> poor av500
Jun 24 12:12:10 <KotH> living in the big canton in the north.. and being deprived of good chocolate
Jun 24 12:28:29 <panto> howdy
Jun 24 12:28:38 <LetoThe2nd> panto: howdy :)
Jun 24 12:54:43 <jackmitchell> panto, do you have any idea what the 2 crossbar dma events relate to? I'm trying to get mainline booting with the latest DMA patches and I'm having no luck with the mmc after porting the dts, so I was wondering if the xbar events were mmc related
Jun 24 12:55:24 <panto> iirc xbar dma is not needed for mmc
Jun 24 12:55:54 <jackmitchell> yeah I looked at the TRM and it it seemed that way, but thought I would double check as i've hit a bit of a wal
Jun 24 12:56:02 <panto> jackmitchell, yeah, welcome to our hell
Jun 24 12:56:20 <jackmitchell> panto: I'm practically there, I can almost feel it
Jun 24 12:56:28 <panto> gimme access to a repo that have your changes and perhaps I can give it a look
Jun 24 12:56:33 <jackmitchell> but I'm getting stuck on: 'Waiting for root device'
Jun 24 12:56:46 <jackmitchell> panto: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/nsekhar/linux-davinci.git/log/?h=v3.11/soc-2
Jun 24 12:56:48 <panto> jackmitchell, that's edma event not received
Jun 24 12:56:58 <panto> jackmitchell, thanks
Jun 24 12:57:10 <panto> will probably take a look in a couple of hours
Jun 24 12:57:14 <jackmitchell> thats the latest v12 edma patches
Jun 24 12:57:23 <jackmitchell> ready for 3.11
Jun 24 12:57:23 <panto> perfect
Jun 24 12:57:41 <panto> we wanted to take a look at it for some time but we didn't have time
Jun 24 12:57:55 <panto> since the new release is out, I'll take a look
Jun 24 12:58:22 <jackmitchell> I have contacted joel, and waiting back on him, as he has apparently tested this tree with mmc; but I think he must have an addition patch, or maybe a tweaked dts
Jun 24 13:00:08 <fedlap> hi, has anyone tried to autostart an app after gui login on beaglebone with angstrom linux?
Jun 24 13:01:13 <jackmitchell> fedlap: that shoudn't be a problem
Jun 24 13:01:21 <jackmitchell> what is the desktop environment, gnome2?
Jun 24 13:01:38 <fedlap> i believe its gdm, mus be gnome :)
Jun 24 13:02:14 <jackmitchell> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8247706/start-script-when-gnome-starts-up
Jun 24 13:02:22 <jackmitchell> give that a whirl
Jun 24 13:02:52 <fedlap> k, ty
Jun 24 13:11:54 <fedlap> jackmitchell, i've followed the suggestion on stackoverflow and created a file in the autostart folder with my content. After the last reboot, my app still didn't start and that file in the autostart folder got cleared....any ideas?
Jun 24 13:13:25 <jackmitchell> that is strange, where did you put the file?
Jun 24 13:14:01 <jackmitchell> and can you look and see if there us a menu icon in System/Preferences called Statup Applicatoons, or Sessions
Jun 24 13:14:48 <fedlap> i created the file in /home/root/.config/autostart
Jun 24 13:15:47 <jackmitchell> and you called the file myapp.desktop?
Jun 24 13:16:01 <fedlap> no, just myapp
Jun 24 13:16:17 <jackmitchell> hmm, I think you need ot fix it with .desktop extention
Jun 24 13:16:24 <jackmitchell> http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html
Jun 24 13:23:16 <fedlap> i added the .desktop extension now. Content of myapp.desktop wasn't cleared anymore, but my app still doesn't start :(
Jun 24 13:24:51 <av500> pastebin the file
Jun 24 13:25:42 <fedlap> how can i pastebin?
Jun 24 13:26:04 <av500> pastebin.com
Jun 24 13:27:11 <fedlap> http://pastebin.com/DBD4tafL
Jun 24 13:30:15 <fedlap> and the content of my sh file is here: http://pastebin.com/Tu0XENyP
Jun 24 13:32:22 <jackmitchell> and start.sh is an executable? i.e. chmod +x?
Jun 24 13:33:18 <jackmitchell> http://pastebin.com/qVbnBw4d
Jun 24 13:33:39 <jackmitchell> That is the minimum requirements
Jun 24 13:33:47 <jackmitchell> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html
Jun 24 13:34:04 <jackmitchell> No point having non needed values in there while trying to debug
Jun 24 13:34:45 <mranostay> morning-o
Jun 24 13:35:01 <jackmitchell> But I would make sure that start.sh is executable, I would take a guess that it isn't
Jun 24 13:35:25 <jackmitchell> mranostay: good morn to you
Jun 24 13:35:26 <fedlap> how can i check, if it's executable?
Jun 24 13:35:36 <av500> ls -l
Jun 24 13:35:40 <av500> show show x
Jun 24 13:35:44 <av500> should show
Jun 24 13:35:48 <jackmitchell> ls -la /path/to/script
Jun 24 13:36:00 <jackmitchell> then look for the x ^^
Jun 24 13:36:46 <fedlap> it has 3 x's ;)
Jun 24 13:37:00 <fedlap> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root     95 Jun 24  2013 start.sh
Jun 24 13:37:02 <jackmitchell> that means it executable then
Jun 24 13:37:24 <jackmitchell> in which case, I'm stumped
Jun 24 13:38:30 <fedlap> well, i just made it executable before :) i'm trying it right now
Jun 24 13:39:00 <av500> you never called it by hand to try?
Jun 24 13:39:13 <panto> are you sure ant is in the PATH?
Jun 24 13:39:34 <panto> the PATH could be sanitized
Jun 24 13:39:39 <fedlap> it works by hand
Jun 24 13:39:49 <panto> I didn't say that
Jun 24 13:39:56 <fedlap> i mean av500 :)
Jun 24 13:40:04 <panto> ah :)
Jun 24 13:40:24 <panto> evoke and with an absolute path
Jun 24 13:40:28 <panto> *ant
Jun 24 13:40:41 <fedlap> k
Jun 24 13:40:52 <KotH> hey greek guy!
Jun 24 13:40:53 <mranostay> av500: please call an emergency friday
Jun 24 13:40:58 <panto> hi KotH
Jun 24 13:41:01 <KotH> hey drunk guy!
Jun 24 13:41:16 <panto> s/drunk/hangover/g
Jun 24 13:41:22 <mranostay> KotH: it is 6:30a even i'm not that skilled
Jun 24 13:41:39 <KotH> mranostay: you have still a lot to learn ;)
Jun 24 13:41:57 <mranostay> sleep schedule still screwred up from staying up to 5a on Saturday
Jun 24 13:42:37 <av500> mranostay: is that for the Webex meeting with Shenzhen?
Jun 24 13:42:41 <av500> getting used to it?
Jun 24 13:43:02 <mranostay> av500: heh no
Jun 24 13:45:04 <mranostay> av500: getting used to getting older?
Jun 24 13:45:34 <fedlap> panto, i evoked ant with an absolute path now, but it's still not working :(
Jun 24 13:45:55 <av500> when you call the script, does it work?
Jun 24 13:45:59 <av500> from the command line
Jun 24 13:46:01 <fedlap> y
Jun 24 13:46:14 <av500> and you login as root?
Jun 24 13:46:21 <fedlap> y
Jun 24 13:49:10 <fedlap> av500, after i added the absolute path into the script, it seems not to be working anymore :/
Jun 24 13:49:18 <Relampago> hi
Jun 24 13:49:43 <Relampago> one question, from what i read, beagleboard black does not hw accelerated videa enc/dec. Is that right?
Jun 24 13:50:52 <fedlap> av500, i call ant with: /home/root/fladan_logger_linux_large/ant run > log
Jun 24 13:51:30 <fedlap> and get an error saying /home/root/fladan....large/ant: is a directory
Jun 24 13:51:50 <panto> are you sure ant is not an alias or something?
Jun 24 13:52:05 <jackmitchell> what does ls -la /path/to/ant say?
Jun 24 13:53:02 <fedlap> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10175 Mar  6 03:46 ant
Jun 24 13:53:52 <fedlap> ant is in /home/root/apache-ant-1.9.0/bin
Jun 24 13:54:15 <fedlap> and i've made an entry  ANT_HOME=/home/root/apache-ant-1.9.0 •	PATH=${PATH}:${ANT_HOME}/bin:${JAVA_HOME}/bin
Jun 24 13:55:26 <felipebalbi> mdp: ping
Jun 24 13:55:42 <felipebalbi> mdp: do you happen to remember TI's QSPI NOR's highest throughput ?
Jun 24 13:55:59 <sirspazzolot> is there a nice realtime firmware for a beaglebone black so it could be used to control a quadcopter
Jun 24 13:56:39 <jackmitchell> sirspazzolot: I believe TI StaterWare is realtime, but I'm afraid we can't really help you with it here
Jun 24 13:57:15 <felipebalbi> mdp: oh yeah, both read and write :-p
Jun 24 13:57:16 <sirspazzolot> cool, I'll look into that later. thanks!
Jun 24 14:14:53 <av500> Relampago: right
Jun 24 14:55:37 <XorA> koen: that bone you gave me ages ago has been invaluable the last few days :-D
Jun 24 15:10:06 <Crofton|work> for a moment I think XorA meant a real bone ....
Jun 24 15:10:45 <XorA> Crofton|work: useful for chewing on in frustration
Jun 24 15:10:58 <Crofton|work> dog toys are good for that
Jun 24 15:15:18 <XorA> Crofton|work: I might have to get one working with linux ;-)
Jun 24 15:16:49 <av500> nah
Jun 24 15:16:57 <av500> just bitbang it in MLO
Jun 24 15:18:32 <pulsar_> anyone willing to answer a few questions to a complete noob
Jun 24 15:18:53 <jackmitchell> pulsar_: ask and find out
Jun 24 15:19:05 <mranostay> trolololololololololol
Jun 24 15:19:09 <jackmitchell> pulsar_: but first ensure you have read the FAQ and searched google
Jun 24 15:19:38 <av500> or read google and searched the FAQ
Jun 24 15:20:34 <mranostay> av500: my favorite german troll!
Jun 24 15:22:40 <pulsar_> been looking at the raspberry pi and the beagle board black to set up a htpc. i like the faster processor and emeded memory of the beagle board, but will it be more trouble for me to get it set up as an htpc? never worked with this kind of thing and thought an htpc would be a good start to learning
Jun 24 15:24:19 <KotH> what is a htpc?
Jun 24 15:25:21 <pulsar_> home theater pc
Jun 24 15:25:25 <KotH> ah..
Jun 24 15:25:29 <KotH> use rpi
Jun 24 15:25:37 <KotH> the bbb is not meant for that application
Jun 24 15:26:02 <KotH> and it's actually the only application the rpi is "designed" for
Jun 24 15:26:17 <mranostay> KotH: heresy!
Jun 24 15:26:29 <pulsar_> yeah, i didnt think so. seems it would take some workaround to get the hdmi to output audio
Jun 24 15:26:40 <KotH> mranostay: to make me wage JIHAD against you, you infidel!
Jun 24 15:27:11 <mranostay> as panto said less jihad more...
Jun 24 15:27:38 <panto> pulsar_, what workaround?
Jun 24 15:27:49 <panto> AFAIKT the framer supports audio up to 7.1
Jun 24 15:28:02 <panto> but it's tricky to negotiate it
Jun 24 15:28:14 <pulsar_> i dont know what the workaround would be, but the beagleboard does not do audio over hdmi from what i have found
Jun 24 15:28:56 <KotH> pulsar_: listen to panto, he knows his shit
Jun 24 15:29:10 <panto> pulsar_, the framer on it does
Jun 24 15:29:30 <panto> having it to negotiate without the display is the hard bit (software wise)
Jun 24 15:29:54 <panto> all those use-cases (audio without video) are not handled very well by the linux stack (for pretty obvious reasons)
Jun 24 15:30:15 <panto> so the answer is yes, but not yet
Jun 24 15:30:29 <mranostay> KotH: even if he is greek, right? :)
Jun 24 15:32:40 <av500> pulsar_: no need to worry about audio when you have no video to display
Jun 24 15:32:44 <av500> the BBB does not do HD
Jun 24 15:32:56 <av500> but if you want to build a 90's HTPC, go ahead
Jun 24 15:33:04 <pulsar_> it does 720p doesnt it?
Jun 24 15:33:07 <av500> nope
Jun 24 15:33:17 <av500> it does *some* 720p
Jun 24 15:33:43 <av500> it lacks the HW decode the rpi has
Jun 24 15:33:51 <av500> decoder*
Jun 24 15:33:57 <pulsar_> that stinks
Jun 24 15:33:59 <panto> btw, HDMI for audio is pretty sweet
Jun 24 15:34:00 <av500> no
Jun 24 15:34:05 <av500> it does not stink
Jun 24 15:34:11 <panto> if you have a receiver
Jun 24 15:34:11 <av500> it's not made for that
Jun 24 15:34:34 <pulsar_> ok, so for what im planning i really am better off using a rpi
Jun 24 15:34:41 <Thihi> Or a cubieboard.
Jun 24 15:34:59 <pulsar_> i had found that too, but havent heard anything about it before today
Jun 24 15:35:27 <mastiff> am I understanding correctly that the main issue is that currently if you want audio, but not video, we can't repurpose the HDMI video pins while using the HDMI audio?
Jun 24 15:35:41 <ka6sox-away> pulsar_, do you have a repo of your work on the 7.1 that people can look at to help debug this?
Jun 24 15:35:42 <Thihi> pulsar_, they also have a channel on freenode
Jun 24 15:36:11 <dgilmore> win 31
Jun 24 15:36:39 <pulsar_> i dont have any work. never used anything like this yet, but i have been laid up from work and been looking for a project to play with
Jun 24 15:37:21 <av500> win 3.11
Jun 24 15:37:49 <av500> pulsar_: so in short, dont get the board to watch video, get it to learn linux instead
Jun 24 15:37:53 <av500> :)
Jun 24 15:38:00 <KotH> mranostay: ofc... even if he is greek :)
Jun 24 15:38:02 <ka6sox-away> av500, +1
Jun 24 15:38:12 <pulsar_> yeah, i played with windows 3.11 like 20 some years ago.
Jun 24 15:38:38 <mranostay> whoa
Jun 24 15:39:03 <KotH> o_0
Jun 24 15:39:15 <KotH> pulsar_: that's been longer than mranostay is old!
Jun 24 15:39:47 <mranostay> KotH: bite me
Jun 24 15:39:52 * panto 's first job after uni was a win 3.11 driver for controlling some weird ISA hardware 
Jun 24 15:39:52 <pulsar_> the htpc was just to get to know these boards a little. like i said, been laid up from work on an injury and looking for a project to play with
Jun 24 15:40:00 <panto> got away pretty fast
Jun 24 15:40:04 <KotH> panto: mranostay wants to be bitten! please do him the favor!
Jun 24 15:40:17 * panto uses KotH's teeth to bite mranostay 
Jun 24 15:40:48 <KotH> pulsar_: and you have not done anything with computers for the past 20 years?
Jun 24 15:41:14 * KotH goes into the backroom to brush desinfect his teeth
Jun 24 15:41:34 <KotH> panto: that was mean! you should know that mranostay is not halal
Jun 24 15:41:48 <pulsar_> yeah, built a few, played around with different OS, done some programming and web design
Jun 24 15:44:01 <av500> pulsar_: as said, you can do a lot of things with the board
Jun 24 15:44:04 <av500> just not HTPC
Jun 24 15:46:01 <mranostay> av500: bitcoin mine?
Jun 24 15:46:14 <pulsar_> ok, so probably get a rpi for now and play with that for a while i guess
Jun 24 15:48:34 <das> mranostay: you'd need an ASIC for that today
Jun 24 15:50:14 <av500> just the PRU
Jun 24 15:50:30 <av500> mine PRUcoins
Jun 24 15:50:41 <mranostay> av500: yeah sure
Jun 24 15:51:08 <ka6sox-away> Scarcity Voodoo Economics
Jun 24 16:10:52 <mastiff> no limit to potential crypto currency competitors regardless of limits to a given brand
Jun 24 16:11:22 <mastiff> so the scarcity is bogus
Jun 24 16:12:39 <mranostay> maybe KotH can back the currency in chocolate
Jun 24 16:12:49 <av500> chocolate mining
Jun 24 16:12:58 <av500> in the choc mines of switzlerland
Jun 24 16:13:24 <mranostay> wait that isn't how we get chocolate?
Jun 24 16:20:01 <ka6sox> not 1 cryptocurrency to rule them all?
Jun 24 16:32:12 <tomk_> I've enabled uart1 on my BBB using a device tree succesfully, but the pinmux is being weird.  I specify a pinmux of 0x184 0x00, but it gets loaded as 0x184 0x20.
Jun 24 16:32:41 <tomk_> My other pinmux is supposed to be at 0x20, and it gets set right, but for some reason they're bot getting set to the same value
Jun 24 16:34:06 <mranostay> tomk_: Rx Needs to have a pullup
Jun 24 16:37:06 <mranostay> 0x2x is the pullup flag iirc
Jun 24 16:38:50 <tomk_> mronstay: 0x184 should be the tx.  I have 0x180 0x20 and 0x184 0x00
Jun 24 16:39:17 <tomk_> mronstay: just trying to figure out why the device tree is getting set differently than what I specify
Jun 24 16:39:25 <mecatronic> hi
Jun 24 16:39:47 <ka6sox> tomk_, do you have the dts file where we can look at it?
Jun 24 16:39:57 <mecatronic> i need know if BBB work with labView?
Jun 24 16:39:58 <ka6sox> or even a pastebin of it?
Jun 24 16:41:09 <tomk_> ka6sox:http://pastebin.com/whDHg6zW
Jun 24 16:43:10 <mecatronic> Hi, one question
Jun 24 16:43:43 <mecatronic> someone know if bb work with labview
Jun 24 16:45:06 <mecatronic> I need help
Jun 24 16:45:51 <panto> no idea, why don't you ask NI?
Jun 24 16:53:01 <ka6sox> tomk_, thats the stock one...
Jun 24 16:53:11 <ka6sox> (the "example" one
Jun 24 16:53:12 <ka6sox> )
Jun 24 16:53:29 <tomk_> ka6sox: I modified it, I used the stock one as a base
Jun 24 16:53:46 <mecatronic> As I can work with ports i/o, you have tutorial?
Jun 24 16:54:12 <tomk_> ka6sox: I took out the exclusive-use, and I modified the 0x184 0x20 to 0x184 0x00
Jun 24 16:54:24 <ka6sox> tomk_, check your pinmuxing @ pinmux.tking.org
Jun 24 16:54:54 <ka6sox> and why did you remove the exclusive use?
Jun 24 16:55:21 <tomk_> ka6sox: It was keeping it from doing any pinmux at all.  I had originally started with the tutorial at http://blog.pignology.net/2013/05/getting-uart2-devttyo1-working-on.html
Jun 24 16:55:26 <tholm> Konichiwa, anybody knows what is the difference between "-mpu=neon -mfloat-abi=hard" and "-mpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp" ?
Jun 24 16:55:49 <tholm> I'm a bit confused
Jun 24 16:55:51 <tomk_> I was trying to get it to work with overlays only, so that I didn't have to replace am335x.dtbo
Jun 24 16:56:22 <tomk_> I meant am335x-boneblack.dtb
Jun 24 16:57:07 <tomk_> I'm trying to do it all with overlays.  So its sort of a mix of the two.  I'm still trying to get a handle on the BBB and device trees.  My experience before was with omap 3340 and 2.6 kernel
Jun 24 16:58:39 <mecatronic> someone have tutorial BBB, drive I/O samples?
Jun 24 17:06:30 <tomk_> ka6sox: With the page you sent, the pinmux looks like what I thought.  Its the transmit pin, and I'm trying to pull it down and set it output (0x00), but something is enabling the input on it (0x20)
Jun 24 17:13:13 <mecatronic> remember I/O send pulse 3.3v and 6mA , if you want to turn led get 500 Ohms in serie
Jun 24 17:16:30 <bradfa> moaning, channel
Jun 24 17:16:33 <KotH> mranostay: i wont back any weird cryptocurrency with hard chocolate
Jun 24 17:16:40 <KotH> mranostay: i rather eat it myself
Jun 24 17:37:40 <ka6sox> moaning bradfa
Jun 24 17:37:54 <bradfa> howdy ka6sox
Jun 24 17:38:05 <mranostay> happy fuzzy morning to bradfa
Jun 24 17:38:15 * bradfa loaths chinese manufacturing today
Jun 24 17:38:34 <ds2> what did they do?
Jun 24 17:38:40 <bradfa> apparently nothing, which is the problem
Jun 24 17:39:09 <ds2> how many of it are you expecting them to make?
Jun 24 17:39:19 <panto> hey bradfa
Jun 24 17:39:26 <bradfa> 2000 units need to be completed by tomorrow night EDT
Jun 24 17:39:35 <bradfa> 0 done so far, been "building" since mid-last week
Jun 24 17:39:40 <bradfa> hi panto
Jun 24 17:39:42 <ka6sox> oy
Jun 24 17:39:49 * bradfa gets to come in china time tonight
Jun 24 17:40:03 <bradfa> but ok, enough moaning for me on the Interwebz
Jun 24 17:40:40 <ds2> why are you building only 2000 units in china?
Jun 24 17:40:46 <bradfa> ask the mba's
Jun 24 17:41:02 <ds2> there should folks in the US that can match the price for just 2000 units
Jun 24 17:41:07 <bradfa> ds2, oh, there are
Jun 24 17:41:13 <ds2> okay
Jun 24 17:41:22 <Guest91848> Does anyone know how to install Eclipse Indigo C/C+ SDK on a Windows system?
Jun 24 17:41:24 <bradfa> MBAs think China is cheaper for everything
Jun 24 17:41:42 <bradfa> MBAs forget cost of sending engineers over there, shipping times / costs, and delays
Jun 24 17:41:48 <bradfa> see magic possible cost per unit
Jun 24 17:41:58 <ds2> blah
Jun 24 17:42:04 <bradfa> Guest91848, I think you are in the wrong channel with that kind of question
Jun 24 17:42:10 <ds2> you guys send engineers over for merely 2000 units?
Jun 24 17:42:11 * maxinux points to http://avanticircuits.com of arizona
Jun 24 17:42:47 <bradfa> ds2, it's a long story
Jun 24 17:42:57 <bradfa> ds2, it involves unqualified labor doing soldering
Jun 24 17:43:10 <bradfa> all in the quest for low cost when low cost sholdn't be the goal yet
Jun 24 17:43:26 <bradfa> maxinux, thanks for the link, I'll take a look
Jun 24 17:43:35 <ka6sox> bradfa, also Chinese units are not meant for repairs
Jun 24 17:43:46 <ka6sox> so if its broke, you send a new one.
Jun 24 17:43:48 <bradfa> ka6sox, yes, as we've learned :)
Jun 24 17:44:21 <ds2> ah
Jun 24 17:45:11 <bradfa> when I was at Xerox we always used TT electroniics in Ohio
Jun 24 17:45:20 <bradfa> they weren't cheap on a per unit basis, but they were pretty good
Jun 24 17:45:34 <bradfa> and we could always drive over (only 4 hours) if things went bad
Jun 24 17:53:32 <ka6sox> try flying 22hrs to get to Shenzing
Jun 24 17:54:04 <bradfa> ka6sox, we have an engineer over in china right now, he enjoys being there but not the travel
Jun 24 17:54:51 <mranostay> ka6sox: also try bag checking a clue-bat
Jun 24 17:55:09 <bradfa> mranostay, within china, apparently the airlines aren't quite so strict
Jun 24 17:55:13 <bradfa> so clue bats are allowed
Jun 24 17:55:23 <bradfa> but tickets do often come with "insurance"
Jun 24 18:10:18 <tcort> just wanted to confirm this: is there no I2C EEPROM on-board the BeagleBoard-xM like there is with the BBB?
Jun 24 18:13:01 <ds2> the beagleBOARDs do not have onboard eeprom
Jun 24 18:13:08 <ds2> the beagleBONEs do
Jun 24 18:14:01 <tcort> ds2: great! thanks for the info :)
Jun 24 19:05:49 <_av500_> ahoi
Jun 24 19:06:16 <m_billybob> avst
Jun 24 19:06:37 <m_billybob> hows bb land today ?
Jun 24 19:07:24 <m_billybob> that good eh ?
Jun 24 19:34:20 <mranosta1> m_billybob: you kill the vibe
Jun 24 19:34:30 <m_billybob> i guess so
Jun 24 19:34:32 <m_billybob> "
Jun 24 19:34:43 <m_billybob> "avast" was probably the wrong counter responce.
Jun 24 19:39:55 <_av500_> HODOR!
Jun 24 19:39:59 <_av500_> oops, wrong channel
Jun 24 19:40:34 <_av500_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Promini-Pro-Mini-atmega328-5V-16MHz-Arduino-Compatible-nano-size-PROCESSOR-PO-/281119065433
Jun 24 19:40:46 <_av500_> gonna make a beawulf cluster out of these
Jun 24 19:40:56 <m_billybob> why.
Jun 24 19:41:06 <m_billybob> beowulf btw :P
Jun 24 19:44:37 <m_billybob> av500 so you can be like that guy on HAD and draw stuff on a monitor incredibly slow ?
Jun 24 19:44:38 <m_billybob> lol
Jun 24 20:05:48 <_Sy_> hello
Jun 24 20:07:42 <vaizki_> ok so I finally have time to look at my BBB boards (beagle noob here).. can I network boot them and reflash the emmc or do I need to dig out a micro sd card from some drawer? :O
Jun 24 20:08:04 <Spirilis> microSD.
Jun 24 20:08:28 <vaizki_> yea problem is I'm not sure if my drawers will produce a micro sd (pun intended)
Jun 24 20:08:46 <_Sy_> You can't boot them automatically from SD card without holding down the boot button.
Jun 24 20:09:02 <vaizki_> what..
Jun 24 20:09:08 <tasslehoff> Is node.js still a relevant buzzword on beaglebone? I run a node.js web application on my beagleboard and noticed today that it uses an awful lot of cpu.
Jun 24 20:09:11 <_Sy_> I have mine booting from eMMC and use micro USB memory sticks as additional storage
Jun 24 20:09:41 <_Sy_> JS is interpreted, so I would expect it to use a lot of CPU.
Jun 24 20:09:42 <vaizki_> sy, I'm asking if I can flash a new os image on the emmc without a uSD
Jun 24 20:10:03 <panto> yes you can
Jun 24 20:10:09 <panto> you'll have to rootnfs
Jun 24 20:10:24 <vaizki_> ummm node.js runs on Google's V8 which JITs JS into native code
Jun 24 20:10:28 <panto> and you'll have to be extra careful not to screw up
Jun 24 20:10:41 <panto> vaizki_, just like java!
Jun 24 20:10:47 <panto> which we all know is a speed demon
Jun 24 20:10:49 <bradfa> _av500_, you should make bitcoin miner out of it
Jun 24 20:11:09 <vaizki_> panto, well if I screw up then I will need that uSD card.. that's the worst that could happen right?
Jun 24 20:11:40 <panto> yes
Jun 24 20:12:00 <vaizki_> I assume you're referring to me ending up with an eMMC without working uboot
Jun 24 20:12:03 <panto> even if the emmc is screwed up you can recover (albeit it's very very painful)
Jun 24 20:12:24 <panto> rom supports serial, usb + net boot (iirc)
Jun 24 20:12:26 <tasslehoff> yeah. I guess I shouldn't expect blazing speed..
Jun 24 20:12:51 <_Sy_> I haven't had any problems with eMMC and updates since the first hickups when I received them, have updated and upgraded almost daily and everything has been fine.
Jun 24 20:13:11 <vaizki_> sy forked the conversation
Jun 24 20:13:35 <Rickta59> i thought v8 did jit for arm?
Jun 24 20:14:06 <vaizki_> I'm fine with Ångström but the amount of shit in this default demo image makes my brain bleed
Jun 24 20:14:38 <Spirilis> they have doctors for that
Jun 24 20:15:12 <vaizki_> there's like 100M free memory left after boot..
Jun 24 20:15:26 <Spirilis> yeah I make sure gdm isn't running at all
Jun 24 20:16:02 <panto> vaizki_, would it be better if we shipped with an empty distro?
Jun 24 20:16:19 <panto> it's easy to make a very small angstrom image
Jun 24 20:17:23 <vaizki_> panto, no no it's fine. it's great to have a working environment out of the box.
Jun 24 20:18:48 <vaizki_> PERSONALLY though I would like to have a minimal network enabled distro that people could then "upgrade" to a graphical desktop etc with a single command or something
Jun 24 20:19:08 <georgem> stop bragging about all of your free memory. I still have to support a distro running on IXP 425 w/ 64 MiB total.
Jun 24 20:19:13 <_Sy_> very happy with my set-up now...everything is going pretty good...got two BBB's up and configured as a cluster
Jun 24 20:19:13 <vaizki_> but I am probably in the minority so I don't expect that to happen
Jun 24 20:19:42 <vaizki_> I'm mainly pissed at myself for not having uSD cards
Jun 24 20:20:18 <_Sy_> I got some really nice 32GB micro USB cards, they work great and were only 16 GBP each.
Jun 24 20:21:13 <georgem> _Sy_: and if you ever need to make it disappear really quickly you always have the option of swallowing it.
Jun 24 20:21:29 <vaizki_> hmmm can I boot off USB and flash a new distro that way?
Jun 24 20:21:29 <_Sy_> :)
Jun 24 20:22:01 <_Sy_> I don't think so atm
Jun 24 20:22:16 <_Sy_> not without holding down the boot button.
Jun 24 20:22:32 <vaizki_> do you read what I type? :D
Jun 24 20:22:44 <vaizki_> I just want to boot it off USB once so I can flash the eMMC
Jun 24 20:23:27 <vaizki_> and I'm pretty sure that it will boot off USB every time if I just wipe the eMMC clean
Jun 24 20:23:38 <vaizki_> assuming it boots off USB at all
Jun 24 20:24:54 <_Sy_> You can flash the eMMC from the micro SD card as you want, by holding down the boot button, but once you've done this, even if the eMMC is wiped it will not boot from microSD or USB unless you hold down the button.
Jun 24 20:25:15 <Spirilis> his problem is he doesn't have any uSD cards laying around
Jun 24 20:25:20 <_Sy_> Its a problem with th ekernal atm
Jun 24 20:25:50 <_Sy_> panto, already said you can do it without USB or SD card.
Jun 24 20:26:25 <vaizki_> yea but nfsroot is a pita compared to usb thumbdrive boot
Jun 24 20:27:53 <Rickta59> you have a thumbdrive?
Jun 24 20:29:38 <Rickta59> nm .. i was thinking something that would probably not end well
Jun 24 20:30:38 <georgem> story of my life
Jun 24 20:33:26 <_Sy_> has anyone had any experience of comparing php performance against node.js doing similar activities?
Jun 24 20:34:04 <georgem> _Sy_: no, but I don't see why node.js wouldn't blow it out of the water
Jun 24 20:35:01 <georgem> Could start with: http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=v8&lang2=php&data=u32
Jun 24 20:35:16 <_Sy_> I am very interested to know the result of this, I will try it out....from what I've read tho, php running on Apache is multi-threaded, where as Node.JS isn't
Jun 24 20:36:00 <vaizki_> ..
Jun 24 20:36:02 <georgem> _Sy_: I hadn't heard that. If thats true that would suck.
Jun 24 20:36:11 <vaizki_> node.js is event driven
Jun 24 20:36:42 <vaizki_> if you say node.js sucks because it's not MT then you don't understand node.js enought to evaluate it
Jun 24 20:37:20 * mranostay pokes in
Jun 24 20:37:42 <georgem> I node.js sucks because it uses javascript, thats enough for me :)
Jun 24 20:37:43 * mranostay cues the require viewing
Jun 24 20:37:51 <georgem> I know*
Jun 24 20:38:00 <pru_evtout_2> did that omap_mux patch for 3.8 ever make its way in?
Jun 24 20:38:14 <_Sy_> I don't know much about node.js at all, I know plenty about php and javascript.
Jun 24 20:38:44 <mranostay> georgem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg <--- slightly NSFW language
Jun 24 20:39:24 <georgem> mranostay: not sure what they're saying but I've already probably shouted it several times today
Jun 24 20:40:03 <_Sy_> If node.js is so great why aren't large server providers offering it as an option instead of Apache and PHP ?
Jun 24 20:40:48 <agmlego> Probably because no one has asked them to.
Jun 24 20:41:38 <pru_evtout_2> _Sy_: and, you can with amazon ec2 (the largest) or any other virtual machine based hosting. :P
Jun 24 20:41:42 <_Sy_> Or is it because its realtively new?
Jun 24 20:42:05 <georgem> roflmao
Jun 24 20:42:05 <vaizki_> node.js requires a completely different mindset from php
Jun 24 20:42:22 <mranostay> insanity? :)
Jun 24 20:42:25 <georgem> mranostay: this is great
Jun 24 20:42:27 <vaizki_> php is a horrible hack
Jun 24 20:42:30 <pru_evtout_2> _Sy_: and, doing a quick google search, i get pages and pages of hosts that offer node.js.
Jun 24 20:42:31 <vaizki_> but it works
Jun 24 20:42:40 <_Sy_> I don't think so, node.js is just javascript on the server, lots of similarities between javascript and php object models.
Jun 24 20:43:00 <vaizki_> the entire programming model of node.js is completely different from PHP
Jun 24 20:43:13 <vaizki_> mainly in that node.js is event driven
Jun 24 20:43:32 <vaizki_> if you program node.js like you program PHP, you will end up with horrible performance
Jun 24 20:43:43 <_Sy_> in what way? the events come from the browser, so how do you get events on the server?
Jun 24 20:44:10 <vaizki_> I am definitely not going to do a tutorial on event-based programming
Jun 24 20:44:20 <_Sy_> everything in javascript is an object, which is nice, I like that...
Jun 24 20:44:40 <vaizki_> http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/node-js-for-beginners/
Jun 24 20:44:46 <vaizki_> try that for example
Jun 24 20:45:28 <_Sy_> I've written lots of javascript AJAX libraries myself...
Jun 24 20:46:22 <vaizki_> again, nothing to do with node.js
Jun 24 20:46:42 <vaizki_> if you don't know how asynchronous event driven programming works you shouldn't go near node.js
Jun 24 20:47:12 <mranostay> jkridner_: want in on this? :)
Jun 24 20:47:18 <vaizki_> node.js is painful if you ask me
Jun 24 20:47:30 <vaizki_> but at least I know why it's painful ;)
Jun 24 20:48:49 <Rickta59> depends on how much js you have done
Jun 24 20:50:57 <_Sy_> I'll do more investigation into node.js see if 1&1 offer it on there servers...we have a couple of dedicated servers with 1&1.
Jun 24 20:51:15 <Rickta59> what is your app _Sy_ ?
Jun 24 20:51:30 <_Sy_> At work?
Jun 24 20:51:36 <Rickta59> node.js is already installed on the BBB
Jun 24 20:51:47 <Rickta59> the app you think would be good for node.js
Jun 24 20:51:55 <_Sy_> I work for a company that designs water leak and mains burst detection systems.
Jun 24 20:52:04 <_Sy_> nothing to do with what I'm doing on BBB.
Jun 24 20:52:14 <Rickta59> i just meant if you want to try out node.js
Jun 24 20:52:24 <Rickta59> you don't have to go any further than an angstrom build
Jun 24 20:52:53 <_Sy_> At work I have a dedicated server hosted by 1&1 that runs the interface for our remote units, it is coded mainly in PHP with quite a lot of client side Javascript, showing devices on a google map.
Jun 24 20:52:53 <Rickta59> what do you do with the web pages on your leaky water mains?
Jun 24 20:53:27 <Rickta59> is it chatty?
Jun 24 20:53:44 <_Sy_> The Google map allows clients to monitor units remotely and zoon into the data, producing realtime graphs and historic plots.
Jun 24 20:54:02 <Rickta59> are you using json already as the format encoding?
Jun 24 20:54:07 <_Sy_> yes
Jun 24 20:54:18 <Rickta59> rest or persistent?
Jun 24 20:54:18 <_Sy_> The AJAX uses JSON responses.
Jun 24 20:55:20 <_Sy_> The backbone of the communications uses a messaging system called MQTT, its ok, but not great for Web-based applications, I am currently implementing a HA mysql server set-up to replace the existing setup.
Jun 24 20:56:31 <Rickta59> with the goal being to run that on the BB?
Jun 24 20:56:40 <Rickta59> or are you just using those as sensor nodes
Jun 24 20:56:40 <vaizki_> you are replacing MQTT with mysql?
Jun 24 20:57:08 <_Sy_> no...my interest in BBB has nothing to do with my day job.   the burst detection units are PC104 x86 based systems.
Jun 24 20:57:53 <_Sy_> The remote units publish data using MQTT to a broker, the web-server has to poll the broker for updates..which isn't very good.
Jun 24 20:58:16 <kfoltman> _Sy_: I'd say it's a common/typical design?
Jun 24 20:58:18 <_Sy_> So, yes, I'm replacing MQTT with a dual mysql servers
Jun 24 20:58:28 <_Sy_> yep
Jun 24 20:58:54 <kfoltman> I mean, queue to a broker, and broker accepting requests from web server
Jun 24 20:59:16 <Rickta59> so do your users have a web interface running all day
Jun 24 20:59:22 <_Sy_> The difference / advantage of our system over the competition is that other systems only tell you once the water main has burst, where as our system will give you advance warning of even the smallest leaks before the main bursts.
Jun 24 20:59:31 <Rickta59> or do they only access it when they want to reference a leak?
Jun 24 20:59:44 <_Sy_> yes, portal is available 24-7.
Jun 24 20:59:49 <kfoltman> _Sy_: is there any need for the state of the system being persistent?
Jun 24 21:00:00 <Rickta59> is that their main way of the seeing the status i mean
Jun 24 21:00:12 <Rickta59> so the web pages are constantly polling
Jun 24 21:00:30 <_Sy_> Yes, one of the issues with MQTT is that not everything is persistent and often data isn't logged, so if you missed it thats that.
Jun 24 21:01:14 <_Sy_> The client page periodically sends a request to the server, which subscribes to the broker, asking for anything new.
Jun 24 21:01:35 <Rickta59> so in that case node.js might be useful in combination with reducing server load
Jun 24 21:01:49 <Rickta59> you could have the server notify the client when something is amis
Jun 24 21:01:54 <_Sy_> thats what I'd like to find out.
Jun 24 21:02:10 <_Sy_> which would be very good and reduce traffic.
Jun 24 21:02:21 <Rickta59> how many clients do you have
Jun 24 21:02:27 <Rickta59> web clients on a typical setup
Jun 24 21:02:40 <_Sy_> do you mean human clients or remote devices?
Jun 24 21:02:52 <Rickta59> web pages wacking your web server
Jun 24 21:03:21 <_Sy_> Difficult to say on the human clients, although I wouldn't expect there to be very many at any one time...we currently has approx. 80+ devices in the field.
Jun 24 21:03:44 <Rickta59> how many hits per hour from web polling?
Jun 24 21:04:10 <_Sy_> Difficult to say at the moment, not very many right now.
Jun 24 21:04:11 <Rickta59> are leaks a rare event?
Jun 24 21:04:22 <Rickta59> or does it happen multiple times / sec
Jun 24 21:04:50 <_Sy_> Not really, but unlike oil and gas, nobody cares to much about water leaks, until it turns into a burst, thats when it costs serious money.
Jun 24 21:05:08 <Rickta59> so once a day is probably fine?
Jun 24 21:05:21 <_Sy_> Yep.
Jun 24 21:05:34 <Rickta59> your web pages? they are templated or composed on the client?
Jun 24 21:05:51 <Rickta59> templated as in php on server filled in
Jun 24 21:05:51 <_Sy_> I have a couple of paired development servers in the office I can set-up a demo running node.js to evailuate.
Jun 24 21:05:55 * SpeedEvil lols.
Jun 24 21:06:12 <_Sy_> The web-pages are all custom php and js.
Jun 24 21:06:19 * SpeedEvil imagines a world where water leaks generate a response in under a week.
Jun 24 21:06:46 <Rickta59> does the javascript rewrite the page or only deal with page click events
Jun 24 21:07:05 <_Sy_> Its funny, for 20 years I worked in the oil and gas industry, if there was even a hint of a leak, they would shutin and stop production.
Jun 24 21:07:23 <_Sy_> then mark the time down as a financial loss....not so in the water world.
Jun 24 21:08:02 <_Sy_> The java script handles the dynamic requests to the server and updates the google maps....I also have a real time plot written in Javascript
Jun 24 21:08:23 <Rickta59> doesn't sound like node.js would do much for you
Jun 24 21:08:31 <_Sy_> We will be converting more and more to JS and HTML5, as the CEO is ipad mad and none of the existing Java applets will work on ipads.
Jun 24 21:09:53 <_Sy_> Better get my beauty sleep...early start tomororow, nite nite
Jun 24 22:00:06 <georgem_home> Guess there's nothing interesting going on in beagle land... Maybe I should go check out #raspberrypi and see if any new Bad Ass Rock Star Tech sort of stuff is going on.
Jun 24 22:01:08 * panto awards georgem_home 10 troll points
Jun 24 22:01:39 * georgem_home double downs
Jun 24 22:02:04 <SpeedEvil> ##arduino is where the cool people hang out.
Jun 24 22:02:54 <_av500_> +1
Jun 24 22:04:00 * pru_evtout_2 goes to see
Jun 24 22:05:14 * pru_evtout_2 comes back to the world of #writingsdcards...i mean #beagle.
Jun 24 22:05:27 <georgem_home> heh
Jun 24 22:06:08 <georgem_home> pru_evtout_2: I use my raspberrypi for that. it can detect card insertion...
Jun 24 22:06:41 <pru_evtout_2> haha,h nice. do you have it start writing the image from some dir right away?
Jun 24 22:07:22 <panto> pru+protothreads is cool
Jun 24 22:07:40 <panto> 1us pulse train with no jitter whatsoever
Jun 24 22:07:50 <panto> can get to a few 100ns probably
Jun 24 22:08:56 <georgem_home> actually booted rpi w/ root=/dev/whateverthefuckusbdrivewas and didn't have any problems despite its screwy usb controller. makes a pretty good sd card writer if you dont have one
Jun 24 22:10:30 <georgem_home> panto: I think I can do that in an 8051 too
Jun 24 22:10:45 <georgem_home> well... not 100ns probably
Jun 24 22:11:48 <panto> georgem_home, can you do it like this? http://pastebin.com/aWKEELQU
Jun 24 22:13:07 <georgem_home> ooh. interesting.
Jun 24 22:14:49 <panto> bah, not clear enough signal for my scope
Jun 24 22:16:47 <georgem_home> panto: Didn't know there was a C compiler for the PRU. nice
Jun 24 22:18:41 <panto> it's not ready for prime time yet
Jun 24 22:18:43 <panto> but seems to work
Jun 24 22:18:58 <Rickta59> is that on github someplace?
Jun 24 22:19:05 <georgem_home> probably works better than most 8051 compilers. lol
Jun 24 22:19:26 <panto> Rickta59, no, not yet
Jun 24 22:19:38 <panto> it's a regular TI compiler
Jun 24 22:19:52 <panto> and protothreads sure have overhead
Jun 24 22:20:15 <georgem_home> they need node.js threads are so 1990
Jun 24 22:20:15 <panto> so, not the fastest PRU method, but it's pretty fast
Jun 24 22:20:44 <georgem_home> j/k
Jun 24 22:22:58 <georgem_home> panto, maybe you could clue me in on this... why is the PRU non-ARM? I just cant get past that. Why didn't they put in a cortex m3 core or something
Jun 24 22:23:28 <panto> arm != realtime
Jun 24 22:23:37 <panto> PRU is designed for cycle accurate stuff
Jun 24 22:23:42 <Rickta59> aren't all the pru instructions 1 cycle
Jun 24 22:23:42 <vaizki_> the PRU has a defined time for each instruction
Jun 24 22:23:46 <vaizki_> yea
Jun 24 22:23:47 <Rickta59> except for branching?
Jun 24 22:23:52 <panto> no, even branching
Jun 24 22:24:17 <Rickta59> even better
Jun 24 22:24:22 <georgem_home> ah, interesting
Jun 24 22:26:55 <pru_evtout_2> i didn't realize the pru had a multiple-accumulate unit till last wee!
Jun 24 22:26:57 <vaizki_> so I guess even a NOP is always 5ns
Jun 24 22:26:57 <pru_evtout_2> that's pretty rad.
Jun 24 22:29:18 <panto> well, protothreads work, but there's a lot of instructions overhead
Jun 24 22:29:48 <panto> perhaps a two stage approach with one PRU being the frontend for comm is best
Jun 24 22:30:14 <georgem_home> I'd be more inclined to use the PRU if I had any sort of confidence it was being caried forward to future designs.
Jun 24 22:30:52 <georgem_home> Without any evidence of that it just seems like a bit of a deadend
Jun 24 22:32:11 <panto> the only replacement for it is a CPLD or an FPGA
Jun 24 22:32:31 <pru_evtout_2> i hope it sticks around. it differentiates the beaglebone from the hundreds of other cheap embedded linux systems you can get.
Jun 24 22:32:32 <panto> you can't do the same things with a simple CPU core
Jun 24 22:32:37 <georgem_home> panto: that assumes you're using it to its full potential
Jun 24 22:32:57 <panto> why use it then?
Jun 24 22:33:38 <georgem_home> If you have a real-time task that doesn't require it's full potential obviously
Jun 24 22:36:23 <panto> well, my point is that you can get pretty awesome results using it
Jun 24 22:36:32 <panto> and it's part of a cheap cheap board
Jun 24 22:37:11 <bursy> hi everybody§
Jun 24 22:37:19 <pru_evtout_2> you know it's time to reboot your windows xp machine when ping locks up.
Jun 24 22:39:23 <bursy> I just need some advice on beaglebone. I  am just starting with this board and I don't realy understand how i should program it. Can you explain me or give me a link that explain it?
Jun 24 22:39:39 <panto> it's a linux box
Jun 24 22:39:43 <vaizki_> any recommendations on a 1 or 2-line display with BIG and BRIGHT characters?
Jun 24 22:39:53 <panto> any method used to program unix will work
Jun 24 22:40:07 <panto> if you want to do h/w related stuff that might difer
Jun 24 22:40:23 <bursy> h/w?
Jun 24 22:40:30 * georgem_home facepalms
Jun 24 22:40:32 <ds2> how big?
Jun 24 22:40:33 <vaizki_> :D
Jun 24 22:40:53 <ds2> 1mm is big for nano size... 1" is big for...
Jun 24 22:41:47 <panto> bursy, hardware
Jun 24 22:41:52 <bursy> excuse me english is not my native language
Jun 24 22:41:53 <panto> electronic design
Jun 24 22:42:03 <vaizki_> ok not big as in digital signage. 2cm or so characters would be fine
Jun 24 22:42:07 <panto> probably that the same for about 80% of the channel too :)
Jun 24 22:42:20 <Farooq> is emdebian for beagleboard has GUI based or command base?
Jun 24 22:42:22 <ds2> how long of a line?
Jun 24 22:42:33 <vaizki_> I speak english about as well as the natives in america did
Jun 24 22:42:48 <vaizki_> ds2, 12 chars minimum, 16-20 still ok
Jun 24 22:43:02 <ds2> some of the natives in america spoke better english then native english speakers of europe!
Jun 24 22:43:13 <ds2> and how bright?
Jun 24 22:43:17 <georgem_home> until they died of small pox
Jun 24 22:43:54 <vaizki_> ds2, I can't give you a lux or nits or cd spec sorry :)
Jun 24 22:44:09 <Farooq> can anyone tell, is emdebian for beagleboard has GUI based or command base?
Jun 24 22:44:23 <ds2> then it is hard to determine "bright"
Jun 24 22:44:43 <vaizki_> ds2, ok forget that part then
Jun 24 22:45:28 <pru_evtout_2> vaizki_: if you don't care about brightness, just get a little lcd screen :D
Jun 24 22:45:40 <pru_evtout_2> you said forget about it...
Jun 24 22:46:02 <bursy> In fact I to communicate with a receiver
Jun 24 22:46:11 <ds2> vaizki_: 7 seg LED displays
Jun 24 22:46:28 <panto> g'night
Jun 24 22:46:34 <vaizki_> I would strongly prefer pixel based...
Jun 24 22:46:35 <georgem_home> night
Jun 24 22:46:42 <pru_evtout_2> bursy: what do you want to do with it?
Jun 24 22:46:50 <pru_evtout_2> bursy: the beaglebone i mean, not the receiver.
Jun 24 22:46:59 <georgem_home> Yum... Stiegl
Jun 24 22:47:19 <ds2> that is not what you asked for
Jun 24 22:47:54 <Farooq> any help dear?
Jun 24 22:48:24 <bursy> pru_evtout_2 : i want my beaglebone to read the data from the receiver
Jun 24 22:50:44 <pru_evtout_2> bursy: and do what with it?
Jun 24 22:51:29 <Farooq> no help?
Jun 24 22:51:54 <georgem_home> Farooq: Try it yourself or maybe check youtube
Jun 24 22:52:37 <Farooq> youtube is helpless in this case.
Jun 24 22:54:04 <Farooq> beagleboard has angstrom OS, which one is best except this?
Jun 24 22:54:41 <georgem_home> Farooq: you want GUI or command line?
Jun 24 22:54:56 <bursy> pru_evtout_2 : it depends on what is received. The beaglebone will be in a RC plane and command from the ground with a computer via the receiver
Jun 24 22:55:23 <georgem_home> cool... I want in
Jun 24 22:56:24 <pru_evtout_2> bursy: how does the receiver export its data?
Jun 24 22:56:58 <bursy> pru_evtout_2 : RS232 TTl
Jun 24 22:57:39 <georgem_home> Is it connected to one of the buildin uarts?
Jun 24 22:57:45 <georgem_home> built*
Jun 24 22:58:22 <pru_evtout_2> i think he's at the "wants to" stage right now.
Jun 24 22:58:50 <georgem_home> oh... been there
Jun 24 22:59:03 <bursy> yes exactly
Jun 24 22:59:45 <georgem_home> I wanted to do this also until I realized it was rather expensive
Jun 24 22:59:51 <pru_evtout_2> bursy: that's pretty simple. you could basically use any programming language you want. python, c, c++, pascal, bonescript most likely.
Jun 24 23:00:05 <pru_evtout_2> georgem_home: i'm still blown away by how expensive something like a servo is.
Jun 24 23:01:44 <georgem_home> pru_evtout_2: I got some cheap servos not sure if they'd work for this sort of thing. The other problems of course are weight and battery life neither of which are fun.
Jun 24 23:01:51 <pru_evtout_2> bursy: the beaglebone is just a linux pc, so if you can already program in linux, you could do what you need to very easily.
Jun 24 23:03:25 <georgem_home> I was thinking that if I wanted to do a drone sort of thing that I was interface the auto piliot code into a flight simulator to prove out those bits first.
Jun 24 23:03:42 <pru_evtout_2> chicken.
Jun 24 23:03:44 <bursy> pru_evtout_2 : Ok so I'll do it in C. Is there a uart port on the beaglobone?
Jun 24 23:03:47 <georgem_home> heh
Jun 24 23:03:49 <pru_evtout_2> no adrenaline in that.
Jun 24 23:05:07 <pru_evtout_2> bursy: io is 3.3v, so you'll need a rs232 to usb adapter as a "ready made" or get something to interface it to the built in uarts.
Jun 24 23:06:52 <georgem_home> those 3 axis accelerometers aren't cheap either...
Jun 24 23:08:03 <pru_evtout_2> bursy: no need for ports really. it's a linux pc, so if you have the source, you can compile it for the beaglebone.
Jun 24 23:08:39 <georgem_home> pru_evtout_2: he just means uart... not like a source port
Jun 24 23:09:12 <georgem_home> /dev/ttyO*
Jun 24 23:09:15 <pru_evtout_2> georgem_home: what's a uart port then?
Jun 24 23:09:17 <pru_evtout_2> ohhhh
Jun 24 23:09:17 <pru_evtout_2> hahah
Jun 24 23:10:45 <bursy> pru_evtout_2: Ok I have a usb adapter. So if i understand well i have to make a program for example in C that reads data from the usb adapter and run it on this linux
Jun 24 23:11:00 <mranostay> that sounds painful
Jun 24 23:11:27 <georgem_home> mranostay: where you been we've already started drinking?
Jun 24 23:13:00 <georgem_home> I agree though. If you want your life to suck less you can test it out pretty easily in python first.
Jun 24 23:13:50 <bursy> i don't know python
Jun 24 23:15:41 <pru_evtout_2> what do you know?
Jun 24 23:15:54 <georgem_home> python is really quite simple. If you know C its pretty difficult to look at python code and not understand what it does.
Jun 24 23:16:23 <mranostay> georgem_home: what did i say that makes you think i'm drinking?
Jun 24 23:16:57 * pru_evtout_2 sees that mranostay is defensive. suspicion rises.
Jun 24 23:17:10 <georgem_home> mranostay: your name is mranostay
Jun 24 23:17:49 <mranostay> georgem_home: that is what is on my license.. and birth cert :)
Jun 24 23:18:19 <bursy> I know C and C++
Jun 24 23:18:28 <georgem_home> mranostay: right...
Jun 24 23:18:35 * georgem_home passes mranostay a beer
Jun 24 23:18:44 <mranostay> can't at work
Jun 24 23:18:48 <georgem_home> ah
Jun 24 23:18:55 <pru_evtout_2> bursy: go for it then! :D there are *many* examples on the web.
Jun 24 23:19:02 <georgem_home> right. intel land
Jun 24 23:20:13 <bursy> pru_evtout_2: so i have to make a program for example in C that reads data from the usb and run it on this linux
Jun 24 23:20:40 * mranostay goes for coffee number 6 of the day
Jun 24 23:21:24 <pru_evtout_2> bursy: usb wont really have much to do with it. you'll just open the serial port device and use the normal linux serial port access routines.
Jun 24 23:22:09 <georgem_home> I love hearing stories from old ass engineers at work. Once upon a time some businesses actually had kegerators and used them on a weekly (Friday) basis. Glad to see society is decaying.
Jun 24 23:22:39 <mranostay> georgem_home: yeah we have company events with limited drinking.. never on campus
Jun 24 23:24:08 <georgem_home> mranostay: I started working as a software engineer when I was 16 and I'd be lying if I said there weren't some beer driven 3am coding marathons
Jun 24 23:24:49 <SpeedEvil> xkcd://Ballmer_Peak
Jun 24 23:24:59 <mranostay> yeah that is a lie :P
Jun 24 23:25:09 <mranostay> alcohol does help the ADD :P
Jun 24 23:25:19 <pru_evtout_2> georgem_home: sometimes with startups, still. :D
Jun 24 23:25:43 <pru_evtout_2> every once and a while, i see a "random alcohol thursday" meeting.
Jun 24 23:25:47 * georgem_home has the bad add
Jun 24 23:26:15 <bursy> pru_evtout_2: understood. Thank you very much. this will help me a lot for my internship project
Jun 24 23:27:09 * pru_evtout_2 did his good deed for the day. #$%$ all you everyone else.
Jun 24 23:27:30 <bursy> *
Jun 24 23:28:02 <georgem_home> pru_evtout_2: sorry man, I'll try harder next time
Jun 24 23:28:41 <pru_evtout_2> no way, now that i'm done with good deeds, i can go back to being an ass. :D
Jun 24 23:28:52 <georgem_home> heh, right on
Jun 24 23:29:22 <bursy> I am also a noob with IRC , how do you do all your stuff that begin with *?
Jun 24 23:29:35 * mranostay has no clue
Jun 24 23:29:44 * pru_evtout_2 doesn't know what bursy is talking about.
Jun 24 23:29:48 <myself> /me yawns
Jun 24 23:29:50 * myself yawns
Jun 24 23:29:51 * georgem_home either
Jun 24 23:29:53 <myself> like that
Jun 24 23:30:08 <bursy> ok thanks
Jun 24 23:30:11 <pru_evtout_2> bursy, you have to register with nickserv. then, do "<your password here> what you want to say here"
Jun 24 23:30:19 <pru_evtout_2> and it'll show up like that.
Jun 24 23:30:20 <myself> (if a noob confesses to being a noob, I go easy on 'em. It's the ones who claim to be pros, who get the abuse.)
Jun 24 23:30:36 <myself> hunter2 looks sideways at pru_evtout_2
Jun 24 23:30:52 <pru_evtout_2> >:-)
Jun 24 23:31:09 * georgem_home slaps bursy around a bit with a large trout
Jun 24 23:31:29 <Wgsoto> Someone could tell me how to enable DSP and make video streaming with Angstrom Linux? I need to transfer video from a pc to beagleboard.
Jun 24 23:31:36 * pru_evtout_2 bows to georgem_home's obvious old schoolness.
Jun 24 23:32:38 <bursy> thanks pru_evtout_2 and myself
Jun 24 23:33:09 <bursy> I'm going back to work
Jun 24 23:33:26 * pru_evtout_2 hopes bursy wasn't a terrorist.
Jun 24 23:33:36 * georgem_home was wondering the same thing
Jun 24 23:34:01 <bursy> no currently working for us compnay
Jun 24 23:34:03 <georgem_home> I'm really surprised there have been no terrorist drones yet
Jun 24 23:34:17 <georgem_home> any*
Jun 24 23:34:52 <pru_evtout_2> yeah
Jun 24 23:34:53 <bursy> in california
Jun 24 23:35:33 <georgem_home> thats where I was born and raised until my family renditioned me to kansas :)
Jun 24 23:35:37 <thurgood> depends on whose definition of terror you use
Jun 24 23:35:59 <pru_evtout_2> i have a feeling all funny hobbies involving anything remote will eventually have some knee jerk laws wrapped around them
Jun 24 23:36:06 <pru_evtout_2> *funny = fun
Jun 24 23:36:12 <thurgood> random civilian casualties seems like a terror campaign to me :P
Jun 24 23:36:34 <pru_evtout_2> i wouldn't be surprised if drones become flat out illegal for civilian use.
Jun 24 23:36:54 <bursy> I don't really know USA greography , where is kansas?
Jun 24 23:37:13 <pru_evtout_2> over-the-border drug running will probably start it, and some deadly attack will finish it.
Jun 24 23:38:34 <bursy> me too i wouldn't be surprised
Jun 24 23:39:20 <georgem_home> good thing I'm an atheist, I have way too many good ideas that could ill-used
Jun 24 23:39:27 <georgem_home> be*
Jun 24 23:39:32 <pru_evtout_2> lol.
Jun 24 23:39:33 <thurgood> meh.. g++ is acting really dumb right now
Jun 24 23:42:17 <pru_evtout_2> thurgood: try rm -rf *; /bin/enableFix-g++
Jun 24 23:42:30 <georgem_home> Somehow the fact that google sees everything I post to google+ concerns me more than that fact the NSA does...
Jun 24 23:43:53 <Rickta59> hmm .. maybe you shouldn't use google+
Jun 24 23:43:57 <Rickta59> or facebook
Jun 24 23:44:01 <pru_evtout_2> or anything.
Jun 24 23:44:03 <georgem_home> exactly
Jun 24 23:44:05 <Rickta59> and dump that myspace account
Jun 24 23:44:06 <georgem_home> or anything
Jun 24 23:44:22 <thurgood> it doesn't concern me what of mine the NSA sees... that they see it without due process concerns me
Jun 24 23:45:22 <georgem_home> thurgood: Is a FISA court due process?
Jun 24 23:45:26 <pru_evtout_2> thurgood: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130619/17344023538/fbi-admits-that-obeying-constitution-just-takes-too-much-time.shtml
Jun 24 23:46:04 <Rickta59> i personally think we should just defund the military for a couple of years and let all those big corporation take care of themselves
Jun 24 23:46:18 <Rickta59> it would bring manuacturing back home pretty quickly
Jun 24 23:46:19 <georgem_home> +1
Jun 24 23:47:02 <pru_evtout_2> Rickta59: a relative works on a base in Utah. with the budget cuts that are in place, they turn off all of the air conditioning to save money. people were, literally, passing out from the heat.
Jun 24 23:47:15 <Rickta59> yeah that makes sense
Jun 24 23:47:28 <thurgood> seeing as they don't bring specific charges or reasons before looking at massive amounts of data... no FISA is not due process
Jun 24 23:47:31 <Rickta59> save a dollar to spend thousands on healthcare
Jun 24 23:48:00 <georgem_home> pru_evtout_2: thats sequestration at work, which is basically the result of political cival war
Jun 24 23:48:14 <pru_evtout_2> yes.
Jun 24 23:50:03 <georgem_home> pru_evtout_2: my brother in law is in the forces he's deployed right now so I sympathize.
Jun 24 23:56:43 <georgem_home> thurgood: there is always the troubling argument that there is good reason to do this but we can't tell you because it would blow the cover of the entire operation
Jun 24 23:57:34 <thurgood> there's a good reason to water board terrorists... doen't make it legal
Jun 24 23:57:46 <georgem_home> thurgood: true
Jun 24 23:58:57 <georgem_home> thurgood: You know what makes me think of... An account by a WWII veteran. Wish I had a youtube video or something.
Jun 25 00:05:41 <georgem_home> thurgood: He said to his german captive that was trembling in horror. "What are you afraid of?" ... "I'm afraid you're going to torture me." ... "I could torture you to get useful information from you and save the lives of my brothers but I won't" ... "Why not?" ... "Because that would make me like you."
Jun 25 00:06:19 <thurgood> ouch
Jun 25 00:07:30 <thurgood> I can't attest to the veracity, but we were told that torture rarely gives quality info when I was in the military
Jun 25 00:08:09 <thurgood> so even from a pragmatic standpoint, it's not the best way to go
Jun 25 00:08:51 <thurgood> although that' something of an aside from the current situation
Jun 25 00:37:48 <Tenkawa> so. has anyone tried to see how painfully slow x264 encoding would be on a bbb?
Jun 25 00:46:25 <georgem_home> Tenkawa: no, but I can imagine based on previous experience. Encoding x264 without hardware support requires serious CPU horse power
Jun 25 00:49:13 <emocakes> would be cool to make a cape with x264
Jun 25 00:49:14 <emocakes> :p
Jun 25 00:49:21 <emocakes> i know some cameras have it
Jun 25 00:49:28 <emocakes> so the camera does all the encoding
Jun 25 00:49:42 <emocakes> then you can record 1080p no sweat on the bbb
Jun 25 00:51:28 <ds2> why do you want to record 1080p?
Jun 25 00:51:39 <ds2> do you have a display for it?
Jun 25 01:02:30 <bradfa> evening, channel
Jun 25 01:02:37 <georgem_home> heya, whats up
Jun 25 01:02:54 <georgem_home> Anchor Porter here...
Jun 25 01:03:07 * bradfa is troubleshotting test fixtures in china, sans beverage of choice
Jun 25 01:03:46 <georgem_home> okay... and what is the trouble?
Jun 25 01:03:57 <bradfa> georgem_home, dunno, they complain that nothing works
Jun 25 01:03:58 <bradfa> :)
Jun 25 01:04:17 <bradfa> should be a fun evening, time to get coffees, brb
Jun 25 01:04:20 <georgem_home> yeah... I've been through that before
Jun 25 01:04:51 <georgem_home> What are you making a test fixture for? A CPU board? cape?
Jun 25 01:08:41 <georgem_home> bradfa: guess you don't need any help :P
Jun 25 01:09:13 <das_plague> georgem_home: bradfa needs help, mainly the kind shrinks provide, hehe
Jun 25 01:09:53 * das_plague jokes with bradfa 
Jun 25 01:10:02 <georgem_home> das_plague: I fancy myself a renaissance man I might be able to assist.
Jun 25 01:10:17 <das_plague> georgem_home: hehe
Jun 25 01:10:20 <bradfa> georgem_home, for active rfid tags
Jun 25 01:10:29 <bradfa> das_plague, yeah, that too :)
Jun 25 01:12:09 <georgem_home> don't know too much more about rfid tags other than that I need to put my passport and benjamins in the microwave for 30 seconds before going anywhere dangerous.
Jun 25 01:13:33 <bradfa> georgem_home, those are passive tags :)  active gets > 100 m range
Jun 25 01:13:47 <bradfa> but we do passive tags too
Jun 25 01:13:56 <bradfa> have one that does 30 m range
Jun 25 01:14:04 <bradfa> privacy?
Jun 25 01:14:06 <bradfa> :)
Jun 25 01:14:46 <SpeedEvil> You mean using some sort of driver chip - or basically SDR?
Jun 25 01:15:00 <bradfa> SpeedEvil, no sdr, that's too expensive
Jun 25 01:15:10 <bradfa> active tags have something like cc430 or cc1101 and micro inside
Jun 25 01:15:16 <SpeedEvil> Not in addition to the pi
Jun 25 01:15:18 <SpeedEvil> an
Jun 25 01:15:25 <SpeedEvil> beagle
Jun 25 01:15:33 <SpeedEvil> Ah - bidirectional.
Jun 25 01:15:36 <bradfa> passive tag have something like http://www.impinj.com/Monza_X_RFID_Chips.aspx inside
Jun 25 01:15:45 <SpeedEvil> yeah - I know.
Jun 25 01:15:57 <georgem_home> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBwV_HdCxIA
Jun 25 01:16:10 <SpeedEvil> So a cc* on I2C on a board, basically, with some antenna connections?
Jun 25 01:16:31 <bradfa> SpeedEvil, mostly, yes
Jun 25 01:16:33 <bradfa> and battery
Jun 25 01:16:42 <SpeedEvil> I mean for the beagle side
Jun 25 01:16:46 <bradfa> georgem_home, rfid, oh noes! :)
Jun 25 01:16:50 <bradfa> SpeedEvil, oh, no beagle in these
Jun 25 01:17:05 <SpeedEvil> I thought you said you were making a beagle sh...
Jun 25 01:17:05 <SpeedEvil> ah
Jun 25 01:17:06 <ka6sox> bradfa, have you played with a cc3300?
Jun 25 01:17:08 <SpeedEvil> never mind.
Jun 25 01:17:17 * SpeedEvil hasn't properly read scrollback.
Jun 25 01:17:20 <bradfa> ka6sox, no, but we're looking at cc3000 (I think) for wifi
Jun 25 01:17:29 * bradfa googles cc3300
Jun 25 01:17:32 <ka6sox> (sorry, got my models worng)
Jun 25 01:17:39 <SpeedEvil> bradfa: I'm involved with another group doing 500km+ on 10mW/433MHz. :)
Jun 25 01:17:49 <bradfa> SpeedEvil, which group?
Jun 25 01:18:01 <SpeedEvil> ##highaltitude
Jun 25 01:18:02 <bradfa> SpeedEvil, our active tags are 433 MHz at 1mW
Jun 25 01:18:06 <SpeedEvil> uk high altitude.
Jun 25 01:18:10 <bradfa> cool
Jun 25 01:18:18 <SpeedEvil> Line of sight is magic.
Jun 25 01:18:27 <bradfa> as is altitude for rf :)
Jun 25 01:18:42 <SpeedEvil> You get a long line of sight at 40km :)
Jun 25 01:18:45 <ds2> SpeedEvil: what is the operating authority? ISM? Ham?
Jun 25 01:18:50 <SpeedEvil> ISM
Jun 25 01:18:51 <bradfa> ISM for 433 usually
Jun 25 01:18:56 * ka6sox swaps the tags with 1kW
Jun 25 01:18:56 <m_billybob> question in order to enable pinctrl, with 3.8 is this a module  or a DT overlay ?
Jun 25 01:19:00 <SpeedEvil> ds2: It's illegal in the UK to do ham airborne.
Jun 25 01:19:01 <bradfa> gotta go, skype call fixin times
Jun 25 01:19:04 <ka6sox> s/swaps/swamps/
Jun 25 01:19:33 <ds2> SpeedEvil: so this is pirate radio DX?
Jun 25 01:19:44 <georgem_home> SpeedEvil: what?
Jun 25 01:19:46 <SpeedEvil> ds2: No - it's ISM - not ham.
Jun 25 01:19:49 <ds2> SpeedEvil: is EME allowed in the UK?
Jun 25 01:19:51 <ka6sox> Radio SpeedEvil
Jun 25 01:20:16 <SpeedEvil> ds2: You can't use your ham licence for airborne equipment.
Jun 25 01:20:27 <georgem_home> ah. got it
Jun 25 01:20:35 <m_billybob> ka6sox what you want to do wit ha cc3000 ?
Jun 25 01:21:02 <ka6sox> make the PRU talk to it...so we can have fast WiFi
Jun 25 01:21:11 <ds2> SpeedEvil: that is interesting... in the US, RC aircraft is allowed on ham
Jun 25 01:21:32 <SpeedEvil> ds2: yeah - US uses APRS for balloons in general.
Jun 25 01:21:34 <aps> is there an alternate method of getting the master handle than spi_busnum_to_master(busnum);?
Jun 25 01:21:37 <m_billybob> ka6sox, why not just go with a dedicated module ?
Jun 25 01:22:09 <SpeedEvil> ds2: We've actually evolved our own wacky centralised reciever with often a dozen or more recievers for any flight in england.
Jun 25 01:22:27 <georgem_home> This talk of RC aircraft is making me jealous.
Jun 25 01:22:27 <SpeedEvil> centralised server.
Jun 25 01:22:34 <SpeedEvil> Balloons, actually.
Jun 25 01:22:48 <SpeedEvil> Including a funky live predictor of where a balloon at x000m will go.
Jun 25 01:23:04 <m_billybob> ka6sox there is this one inexpensive module I dotn recall the name off hand has a built in stack etc already
Jun 25 01:23:13 <SpeedEvil> Several Pis have been flown - I don't know if the beagle has.
Jun 25 02:03:05 <bradfa> m_billybob, cc3000 has stack inside, iirc
Jun 25 02:05:18 <m_billybob> bradfa so does the wiznet module
Jun 25 02:05:21 <m_billybob> hardwired
Jun 25 02:05:49 <bradfa> wiznet?
Jun 25 02:05:58 <m_billybob> wiznet stuff at least the stuff i know of can even be run without and OS which is handy
Jun 25 02:06:19 <bradfa> cc3000 is targetted at micros that want wifi, iirc
Jun 25 02:06:22 <bradfa> similar idea
Jun 25 02:06:25 <bradfa> seems like
Jun 25 02:06:46 <m_billybob> http://www.wiznet.co.kr/Sub_Modules/kr/
Jun 25 02:07:36 <bradfa> m_billybob, neat, I'll check it out
Jun 25 02:07:45 <bradfa> we have need for wifi on cortex-m0 or msp430 possibly coming up
Jun 25 02:07:56 <bradfa> thanks!
Jun 25 02:08:13 <m_billybob> np
Jun 25 02:08:35 <bradfa> gtg again, more china help is required
Jun 25 02:08:50 <m_billybob> thats korean comcpany i think
Jun 25 02:08:57 <m_billybob> oh lmao yeah ok
Jun 25 02:10:34 <m_billybob> um wow
Jun 25 02:10:36 <m_billybob> http://www.wiznet.co.kr/Sub_Modules/kr/product/Product_Detail.asp?cate1=5&cate2=43&cate3=0&pid=1173
Jun 25 02:10:40 <m_billybob> never seen that before
Jun 25 02:23:41 <keatont> Wow the BBB is fast.
Jun 25 02:24:30 <emocakes> very
Jun 25 02:24:49 <keatont> Just got Debian installed on mine.
Jun 25 02:25:05 <emocakes> got a link to the imge you used?
Jun 25 02:25:06 <m_billybob> how you like ?
Jun 25 02:25:12 <keatont> m_billybob, so far so good.
Jun 25 02:25:19 <m_billybob> most likely robert nelsons
Jun 25 02:25:28 <keatont> emocakes: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black
Jun 25 02:25:30 <m_billybob> same one i linked you to the other night emeb_mac
Jun 25 02:25:41 <keatont> yep Robert Nelsons :)
Jun 25 02:25:47 <m_billybob> err emocakes
Jun 25 02:25:49 <m_billybob> lol
Jun 25 02:25:50 <emocakes> err m_billybob
Jun 25 02:25:51 <emocakes> :p
Jun 25 02:26:03 <emeb_mac> too many em* nicks
Jun 25 02:26:13 <keatont> lol
Jun 25 02:26:28 <m_billybob> emeb_mac yeah i was about to say you're always getting in the way :P
Jun 25 02:26:36 * m_billybob ducks
Jun 25 02:27:08 <emeb_mac> heh
Jun 25 02:30:07 <m_billybob> so i guess pinctrl is a kernel module
Jun 25 02:30:21 <m_billybob> just by doing some simple investigation
Jun 25 02:30:30 <m_billybob> dotn see a dt blob
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