**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 01 02:59:58 2013 Jul 01 03:19:17 gurus. Did we ever resolve teh best way to get a RTC going Jul 01 03:19:24 on the beagle Jul 01 03:25:11 SPI/i2c....your choice Jul 01 03:25:16 OR.... Jul 01 03:25:35 use Network Time Jul 01 03:29:43 is that cheating? Jul 01 03:30:37 emeb_mac: / ka6sox, Network is not connected Jul 01 03:30:55 it is isolated and disconneceted Jul 01 03:32:09 for my specific applicaiton, "absolute accuracy" is not critical Jul 01 03:32:21 ie, it does'nt make much difference if its 12:00 or 12:01 Jul 01 03:32:29 but reletive accuracy is Jul 01 03:32:32 once its seat Jul 01 03:32:34 set Jul 01 03:32:45 i dont' want it drifting a *lot* Jul 01 03:33:27 ka6sox: I was looking at using a DS1339 Jul 01 03:33:38 on the i2c Jul 01 03:35:48 hooking to I2C should be easy. Jul 01 03:36:18 wonder if there are drivers available, or if you'd have to hack your own? Jul 01 03:37:51 I suspect dwery could answer that...but iirc the 1339 is supported by the kernel Jul 01 03:38:07 probably need a dtc for it... Jul 01 03:39:01 CONFIG_SENSORS_DS1337 Jul 01 03:39:11 it's LEET! Jul 01 03:39:27 1337 vs 1339? Jul 01 03:39:36 viva la difference? Jul 01 03:40:22 dunno Jul 01 03:45:44 Newbie asking - ran weatherstation demo from debugger - seems to be running but no user I/F displayed - what am I missing? Jul 01 03:57:09 emeb_mac: are you electronics still within temp rating specs? Jul 01 03:57:36 ds2: yes - the A/C is working fine. :) Jul 01 04:30:57 ka6sox: the 1339 has a internal crystal Jul 01 04:38:49 hello Jul 01 05:07:41 Oh yay! 105F plus haboob on the way. AZ in the summer is such fun. Jul 01 05:08:21 emeb_mac: that is natures way of telling people shouldn't live there :) Jul 01 05:08:47 36C here tomorrow that is hot enough for me Jul 01 05:08:58 mranostay: or that we don't have enough dirt in our yards. Jul 01 05:12:36 emeb_mac: how much is your electric bill? :) Jul 01 05:13:20 mranostay: not too bad actually - usually about $200/mo in summer. Jul 01 05:13:34 I know some folks who have 2-3x that. Jul 01 05:13:40 whoa Jul 01 05:14:03 but that's for big houses with lots of people going in/out Jul 01 05:14:35 i pay $30 probably :) Jul 01 05:15:02 water and sewer is about the same Jul 01 05:15:21 water bill is about $90/mo Jul 01 05:16:31 winter power bills are more like $70 - when the heatpump never comes on at all. Jul 01 05:27:34 morning Jul 01 05:27:43 emeb_mac: personally i'll a little cold over insane heat Jul 01 05:27:43 rather mourning Jul 01 05:28:05 ka6sox: MOARning Jul 01 05:28:12 ka6sox: need a hug? Jul 01 05:28:26 mranostay: don't hafta shovel heat Jul 01 05:28:51 emeb_mac: live in apartments didn't have to shovel at all :P Jul 01 05:29:54 man - bad scene here today: 19 firefighters killed on a forest fire up in Yarnell. Jul 01 05:39:25 shovel? Jul 01 05:40:10 where Yarnell? Jul 01 05:40:13 where is Jul 01 05:41:15 northwest of Phoenix Jul 01 05:41:39 toward needles? Jul 01 05:41:54 ds2: you go 93 sometimes right? Jul 01 05:42:10 my thermometer was reading 98 Jul 01 05:42:12 :) Jul 01 05:42:15 so yes, 93 sometimes Jul 01 05:43:06 emeb_mac: ka6sox seems theres drivers for botht eh DS1339 and DS1337 Jul 01 05:43:10 Yarnell is just east of 93 on 89, North of Wickenburg Jul 01 05:44:21 mrpackethead: cool. Jul 01 05:44:47 a battery-powered RTC would be a good thing to have. Jul 01 05:45:00 someone needs to make a cape with that. :) Jul 01 05:46:02 what's wrong with the battery powered RTC on the AM335x? Jul 01 05:47:08 the BBB should have the RTC errata fixed Jul 01 05:49:04 ds2: no battery support on the BBB Jul 01 05:50:02 emeb_mac: yes there is Jul 01 05:50:14 there the 4 pin pad Jul 01 05:50:25 ah, so the SRM is lying. Jul 01 05:50:39 you are using a released BBB, right? Jul 01 05:52:11 released? Jul 01 05:52:30 so the power header was added after rev A4? Jul 01 05:52:42 yes Jul 01 05:52:45 kk Jul 01 05:55:31 looks like I should get me a "real" BBB. :P Jul 01 05:55:44 emeb_mac: free stuff is better :) Jul 01 05:55:48 just look at the pictures in the current SRM Jul 01 05:56:00 mranostay: word Jul 01 05:57:07 too bad you can't just wire up a coin cell like on the old beagleboard. Jul 01 05:57:32 *nod* Jul 01 05:57:33 * kblin never got around to doing that Jul 01 05:57:38 low cost PMIC designs Jul 01 05:58:22 mrpackethead: both your BCCs work? Jul 01 06:03:08 meh - adafruit is out of 46-pin headers for BB. Jul 01 06:03:18 crud Jul 01 06:03:51 emeb_mac: 2 sided or ? Jul 01 06:04:31 ds2: these: http://www.adafruit.com/products/706 Jul 01 06:05:45 oh those Jul 01 06:06:15 don't know where they get them. Jul 01 06:06:53 click to read temp sensor via AIN1 of the BBB here on my desk http://www.firepowerelectric.com:8080/basement_temp Jul 01 06:07:30 tell me if it works Jul 01 06:07:45 ahoi Jul 01 06:07:51 works for me Jul 01 06:07:56 av500: avast! Jul 01 06:08:16 arrrrr Jul 01 06:08:56 come aboard and be keel-hauled ya scurvy swab Jul 01 06:09:47 walk ye plank Jul 01 06:10:45 mastiff: it's cool in your basement Jul 01 06:12:11 yeah now I have proof Jul 01 06:13:21 how much filtering was needed on the value read from AIN1? Jul 01 06:13:32 none Jul 01 06:14:00 I should run some statistics on that - see how noisy the ADC is. Jul 01 06:14:22 i think you'll find it varies a lot depending what else the bbb is doing Jul 01 06:14:29 no doubt Jul 01 06:14:55 this one will make an led on my desk flash http://www.firepowerelectric.com:8080/fabLEDflash Jul 01 06:15:25 flashing Jul 01 06:15:58 pg never loaded for me. Jul 01 06:18:01 only a test page, can only process one request until led flashes 50 times Jul 01 06:24:45 emeb_mac: yes, all four of my BCC's work Jul 01 06:24:46 :-) Jul 01 06:25:36 mrpackethead: great news! Jul 01 06:25:54 I've made some video of the assembly as well Jul 01 06:26:36 cool Jul 01 06:27:32 BCC? Jul 01 06:27:40 FPGA board Jul 01 06:27:55 naturally :) Jul 01 06:27:57 Blank Canvas CApe Jul 01 06:28:28 mranostay: that would be the one you have Jul 01 06:28:34 but have used as a beer mat Jul 01 06:28:50 UNBELIEVER! Jul 01 06:29:05 just because he was a freindly troll, i sent him one Jul 01 06:29:12 :) Jul 01 06:29:26 a random act of kindness Jul 01 06:29:27 :-0 Jul 01 06:38:05 trying work out how to deal to this RTC Jul 01 06:42:27 Hello, In the BBB runs Angstrong distribution, the file "/sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pins" shows pins is marked from 0 to 141, How do I find pins in P8 and P9 expansions depends on it? Thanks! Jul 01 06:44:59 going to go for the ds3231 Jul 01 06:45:11 compatile the the ds1307 Jul 01 07:09:50 gööd mörning drunkards, djihadis and djihaditas! Jul 01 07:14:41 <_Sy_> Good morning Jul 01 07:14:54 any suggestions on what to use for smart meter pulse detection? it has green 2 green leds I want to read. I tried to make a simple voltage splitter with a 100k pot on one side and a photorestistor on the other side... it works but not very reliably, seems to take too long to recover after a blink so the signal can get all muddled up if it's blinking fast Jul 01 07:15:04 moaning Jul 01 07:15:18 guten morgen keine sorgen Jul 01 07:16:12 <_Sy_> @vaizki, was it you I was discussing node with a couple of weeks ago? Jul 01 07:16:23 probably Jul 01 07:16:39 it wasn't a real discussion though, more like 2 n00bs swinging their dicks Jul 01 07:16:45 <_Sy_> Got Node Up and Running from O'Reilly, quite impressed Jul 01 07:17:27 now you know more about node than I do Jul 01 07:17:49 <_Sy_> Its much more than just a way of delivering web-pages, has lots of potential. Jul 01 07:18:19 yea THAT I know :) Jul 01 07:19:01 <_Sy_> Will be doing some tests on it l8r to see has it compairs against running a binary to do the same operations. Jul 01 07:19:20 <_Sy_> Reading a large binary file and processing it...will be interesting. Jul 01 07:19:44 well node.js is best at handling thousands of concurrent operations which have blocking I/O Jul 01 07:19:52 not running through a single file Jul 01 07:20:37 vaizki: doesn't have an ir port? Jul 01 07:21:02 it has an IR port (ansi type 2) but I'm not sure I want to use that Jul 01 07:21:28 a wonderfull, sunny and warm jihad everyone! Jul 01 07:21:34 <_Sy_> Will let you know how I get on.... Jul 01 07:21:41 mainly because my meter is in a cabinet with a bunch of neighbors meters Jul 01 07:21:43 <_Sy_> Summer has finally come to the UK Jul 01 07:22:02 and I suspect my power company will freak out if they see anything glued to the IR port Jul 01 07:22:05 moaning Jul 01 07:22:48 <_Sy_> better crack on with some work now... Jul 01 07:23:13 hm, node.. that reminds the to look at running bonescript outside that cloud9 ide thing Jul 01 07:24:47 I got enough bad looks hanging by the meter cabinet with a scope :D Jul 01 07:25:06 so I'm sure one of my neighbors will report me to the power company that I'm tampering with the meters Jul 01 07:26:20 vaizki: tell your neighbours that you suspect the NSA is spying on your smart meter and you just wanted to check ;) Jul 01 07:27:04 yea I'll just put a big PRISM sticker on there Jul 01 07:28:42 :) Jul 01 07:28:45 so I guess with a phototransistor I could make a more sensitive circuit than with a LDR Jul 01 07:28:57 vaizki: drop the photoresistor and use a photodiode or phototransistor Jul 01 07:29:24 vaizki: the former has a bandwidth of usually in the 10-100MHz, the later in the 10 to 1000kHz Jul 01 07:29:50 haha well I don't use THAT much power Jul 01 07:30:23 I don't understand why the LDR is so slow to recover from a pulse, it's not like there's any real capacitance in the circuit Jul 01 07:30:30 yeah.. but compare it to photoresistors which have a bw in the sub 100kHz range.. at most Jul 01 07:30:45 and then you need the right circuit to get there Jul 01 07:30:55 Hi, i need for beageboneblack auto-powerOn after AC power loss. It posible ? Jul 01 07:31:19 well as I said my test circuit was just a voltage divider with a pot on the other end so I could tune the detection level (high) Jul 01 07:31:39 sudoer, doesn't it come back on after a power loss? Jul 01 07:31:48 vaizki: well, there is more to switching speed than just capacitance Jul 01 07:32:18 yea I suck at analog anything Jul 01 07:33:01 get a copy of tietze&schenk Jul 01 07:33:02 because the rate that led is blinking at is probably 10Hz or so and still I failed. Jul 01 07:33:17 russell, sory for my bad, i need for board auto powerOn, whithout pressing powerKey . Jul 01 07:33:32 It possible ? Jul 01 07:33:49 vaizki: but it's not very bright and you have quite a bit of stray light Jul 01 07:33:49 * russell-- doesn't press power key, when i apply power it boots Jul 01 07:34:03 umm it does power button to power on after ac comes back on Jul 01 07:34:29 spasibo Jul 01 07:34:32 koth, I bluetacked the LDR on there Jul 01 07:34:49 does not need power button... I mean Jul 01 07:35:13 so, yes it possible Jul 01 07:35:16 Hello, please help me to solve a problem on my BBB. How do I install tk/tcl on my BBB? I had execute "opkg install tk tcl" but output is "Unkown package tk & tcl" thanks? Jul 01 07:35:23 by doing nothing ;-) Jul 01 07:35:28 I think there may be some capacitor in the meter innards that's slowing the led turn off or something Jul 01 07:35:42 that in reality it's not blinking off but fading Jul 01 07:35:54 My BBB runs Angstrong Jul 01 07:36:11 probably because it's really meant for visual use I guess Jul 01 07:36:21 cxp: "opkg update" first Jul 01 07:36:22 vaizki: led turn on turn off is slow Jul 01 07:36:29 vaizki: takes couple 100ns Jul 01 07:36:50 * russell-- has no idea if those are packaged Jul 01 07:37:07 compiling tcl/tk should be quite trivial i pressume Jul 01 07:37:55 vaizki: I know someone figured out the protocol. ofc want to be careful not to set anything on it, as at least his was not password protected ;) Jul 01 07:38:13 yea there are tcl, tcl-dev, tk and tk-dev Jul 01 07:38:50 cxp, having a network connection would be necessary too Jul 01 07:39:07 dm8tbr: yea well I don't want the meter guy to go there and find my ir optocoupler installed and then cutting off my power while they investigate :) Jul 01 07:39:15 :D Jul 01 07:39:34 helps if the thing is inside your own premises Jul 01 07:39:35 that's what UPS's are for Jul 01 07:39:42 I'd rather just velcro a photodiode or something to the 1000imp/kWh and 1000imp/kVarh leds Jul 01 07:40:21 cut holes in the velcro for the leds Jul 01 07:40:42 vaizki: we are talking about uneducated electricians who are reading those meters Jul 01 07:40:51 vaizki: they wont get that the velcro does not modify the meter Jul 01 07:41:02 vaizki: ie they'll cut your power anyways Jul 01 07:41:17 use a webcam Jul 01 07:41:19 well at least it'll be easier to explain Jul 01 07:41:21 from the other side of the room Jul 01 07:41:23 and openCV Jul 01 07:41:24 av500, I did think of that too Jul 01 07:41:29 openCV can detect green Jul 01 07:41:31 av500++ Jul 01 07:41:33 but the space is unheated Jul 01 07:41:34 we had that here Jul 01 07:41:39 it gets to -30 sometimes Jul 01 07:41:58 well maybe not.. but -20 for sure Jul 01 07:42:01 and the heater for the webcam will skew your power bill :) Jul 01 07:43:57 in reality I'll just probably put an ATTiny there or something because I don't want someone ripping out my BBB and breaking it Jul 01 07:44:00 vaizki: -20°C? Jul 01 07:44:02 yes Jul 01 07:44:02 vaizki: indoors? Jul 01 07:44:10 no it's outside in a cabinet Jul 01 07:44:14 ah.. Jul 01 07:46:05 it's one of these http://www.echelon.com/products/smart-meters/docs/IEC_Polyphase_83332.pdf Jul 01 07:46:13 vaizki: small styrofoam box with a hole should be enough to keep the camera at >0°C Jul 01 07:46:32 echelon.com ? nice try NSA Jul 01 07:47:22 koth, yea but I'd have to mount it on the door of the cabinet Jul 01 07:47:47 anyway, I'll look into photo(diodes|transistors) I guess Jul 01 07:48:49 vaizki: and get yourself a copy of tietze&schenk Jul 01 07:49:26 Hi all. My BBB's heartbeat, CPU (and power) leds are solid on Jul 01 07:49:29 Others are off Jul 01 07:49:39 I can't SSH into the device, whereas I previsouly could. Jul 01 07:49:42 Any idea what's up with that? Jul 01 07:50:16 uSD card inserted Jul 01 07:50:21 On a slightly related note, I can't seem to connect from my MBP over serial to the BBBs - when I plug it in, I see nothing in my dmesg on my mac Jul 01 07:50:36 uSD card inserted? :) Jul 01 07:50:39 The 'frozen' device has been running fine for 7 days Jul 01 07:51:02 vaizki: It's running Ubuntu off a micro sd Jul 01 07:51:02 KotH: ok.. not the cheapest book I've seen :D Jul 01 07:51:22 Is the OS driver the same as for the BB white? Jul 01 07:51:30 narcos, it probably rebooted and you have to press the boot button to boot off the uSD? Jul 01 07:52:59 vaizki: I've never had to boot by pressing the boot button Jul 01 07:53:39 vaizki: but it's the best book on electronics i know :) Jul 01 07:53:47 vaizki: beats any other i know Jul 01 07:56:00 narcos, ok then I can't help really.. don't know ubuntu. probably you need to get to the debug serial which is on the separate header Jul 01 07:56:13 if you have a usb-ttl serial dongle, go at it Jul 01 07:56:35 vaizki: Yeah, for some reason my mac's not detecting the device when I plug it in Jul 01 07:56:43 ( even on a BBB which is working fine ) Jul 01 07:57:30 thanks, I had download packages: "libtk, libtcl, tk tcl, tk-dev, tcl-dev" from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ then install it successfully. But I have new problem, when i execute "$wish" then all my window application can't be moved and all icons max, min, close had gone as the following picture http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img835/3754/ajj4.png&sa=0 Jul 01 07:58:28 narcos, does it show up as a usb storage? Jul 01 07:58:34 if it does, the drivers are there Jul 01 07:58:56 vaizki: Nothing appears in dmesg at all Jul 01 07:59:33 Not sure if it's my mac's hardware, the drivers, or what Jul 01 08:00:29 narcos, eject it then plug it again. Jul 01 08:00:54 The usb gadget is not stable! Jul 01 08:03:41 cxp: The USB cable? I've plugged and replugged on 3 BBBs Jul 01 08:05:26 narcos, What is the distributions running on your BBB? Jul 01 08:06:09 cxp: Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS Jul 01 08:09:16 first you power down your BBB, press "User boot" button nears the SDard slot, then Keep holding down the button until you see the bank of 4 LED's light up for a few seconds. You can now release the button. Jul 01 08:10:05 cxp: Is that to just boot normally, or some special boot mode? Jul 01 08:10:09 first you power down your BBB, press "User boot" button nears the SDard slot, power up BBB, then Keep holding down the button until you see the bank of 4 LED's light up for a few seconds. You can now release the button. Jul 01 08:10:27 Because they boot fine by just powering on? Jul 01 08:10:46 if the 4 leds are solid on, 95% chance that it's stuck in boot Jul 01 08:10:52 Two are solid Jul 01 08:10:56 heartbeat and CPU Jul 01 08:11:10 I haven't tried just rebooting it yet, because I was hoping to discover what's caused the failure Jul 01 08:11:29 well you will have the logs if you reboot... Jul 01 08:11:49 or attach a serial cable and see if you can get it to talk to you Jul 01 08:11:52 sorry, narcos, I can't help more! Jul 01 08:17:26 vaizki: Yeah - that's the other problem I was talking about above - the BBB doesn't register on my mac over USB serial for some reason. Jul 01 08:17:43 vaizki, cxp: Well, ta for the tips, I'll just hard reboot and see if the logs reveal anything :) Jul 01 08:18:44 narcos, maybe you change another usb cable! Jul 01 08:20:21 And test with the Angstrom distribution in the BBB's eMMC Jul 01 08:20:22 cxp: I've tried three :) Jul 01 08:20:29 cxp: True, I'll try that Jul 01 08:22:46 Maybe check again your microSD card has 2 partitions! Jul 01 08:35:19 cxp: Ja the image is fine I'm sure, I have 8 BBBs running for 9 days, just one has gone wonky Jul 01 08:36:25 So, no any idea! Jul 01 08:47:38 idea? on what? Jul 01 09:59:22 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.11: http://git.io/V0vOXA Jul 01 09:59:22 kernel/3.11 d326aca Koen Kooi: 3.11: update to 3.10-final... Jul 01 10:13:18 vaizki: http://kuehnast.com/vortraege/Charly_Kuehnast-linux-heimbasteleien.pdf Jul 01 10:17:26 https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1190 Jul 01 10:17:43 ^ leap teared apart Jul 01 10:23:01 KotH: thanks.. however I think I'll still go for the pulse counting :) Jul 01 10:25:02 what was that hack allowing you to get the thermal diode reading from BBB ? Jul 01 10:25:40 shoragan: was that you ? Jul 01 10:25:54 yep Jul 01 10:26:19 you just need to set the reset-bit in the cm register to 1 Jul 01 10:26:27 and start the aquistion Jul 01 10:27:22 i still haven't found time to check how the raw values should be interpreted Jul 01 10:29:34 vaizki: well, reading out the protocol with something build in a professional way would be less suspicious :) Jul 01 10:30:40 yea but when I have to talk to the guy in the office about my "dongle", it'd be nice to mention up front that it's just looking at the leds blinking and that you'd have to use the IR port to write something :) Jul 01 10:31:01 :) Jul 01 10:31:03 those ansi type 2 optocouplers cost an arm and a leg last I looked.. so I'd have to build my own Jul 01 10:31:20 shoragan: cheers for the info Jul 01 10:31:29 type 2 optocoupler? Jul 01 10:32:04 ah.. isolated rs232 Jul 01 10:32:11 well... Jul 01 10:32:27 most of these are either for medical stuff or explosion protection Jul 01 10:32:29 so unless I 3D-print a case it's not going to look professional Jul 01 10:32:31 anyone else getting spam from someone requesting a review of a book? Jul 01 10:32:37 mru: nope Jul 01 10:32:40 email apparently scraped from github Jul 01 10:33:08 KotH: that's an optocoupler in the ppt-pdf you linked Jul 01 10:33:42 vaizki: ah.. Jul 01 10:36:19 http://wiki.volkszaehler.org/hardware/controllers/ir-schreib-lesekopf-ttl-ausgang Jul 01 10:36:30 rx and tx sides separated Jul 01 10:37:41 would I buy one of those for 20 euros? yes Jul 01 10:42:58 ok, anyone knows how could I fork linux twice from github? Jul 01 10:43:13 it seems to only allow a single fork Jul 01 10:44:29 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Elster-Unicom-III-Probe-5D25334G0104-optical-infrared-communication-USB-/140750518547?hash=item20c5627913 Jul 01 10:44:31 haha Jul 01 10:44:33 CHEAP Jul 01 10:54:38 panto, not without a really long push Jul 01 10:54:52 bradfa, http://blog.adrianshort.co.uk/2011/11/08/create-multiple-forks-of-a-github-repo/ found this Jul 01 10:55:16 wouldn't you just make more branches? Jul 01 10:55:27 no, I don't what that Jul 01 10:55:30 Russ, branches are for wimps Jul 01 10:55:31 :) Jul 01 10:55:39 real men use hg Jul 01 10:55:40 my local work repo is full of branches Jul 01 10:56:10 I want a repo with just the mainline tracking branches Jul 01 10:57:09 panto, bitbucket lets you fork your own repos Jul 01 10:57:38 it's attempting to fork my linux repo to linux-panto Jul 01 10:57:40 ah, done Jul 01 10:58:09 oh well, let me try to see if I can get github to work Jul 01 11:18:01 ugh, no way to do it without pushing Jul 01 11:18:12 at 14K/sec it's going to take ages... Jul 01 11:52:31 Hello i want to ask a question, what does this mean var b = require('bonescript'); Jul 01 11:52:50 it imports the libraries of javascript into the cloud9 ide? Jul 01 11:55:25 koen, panto: are there plans to provide a simple case for the bbb? a lot of people around me complained about that in the past weeks Jul 01 11:55:39 if you need a case you are doing it wrong Jul 01 11:55:42 also, it ships in a case Jul 01 11:56:04 there's that $12 case Jul 01 11:56:06 KotH, there are a bunch of cases Jul 01 11:56:25 maybe we need to provide a google instead of a case Jul 01 11:56:38 panto: right.. i should google before i ask Jul 01 11:56:42 var state = b.LOW; <<<< what does this line means? Jul 01 11:58:13 <<<< is syntax error Jul 01 11:58:23 there aretwo $12 cases one black metal, the other see through acrylic i think Jul 01 11:59:34 and a cardboard case Jul 01 11:59:55 a black metal themed case for bbb could be cool Jul 01 12:01:26 no one can answer my noob question? Jul 01 12:02:16 MiloIce123: declare a new variable named "state", and assign it the value of b.LOW Jul 01 12:02:22 no jscript gurus here Jul 01 12:02:30 MiloIce123: I suppose LOW is a constant in bonescript Jul 01 12:02:45 object member set to a constant value or something like that Jul 01 12:03:08 MiloIce123, no one should have to. you cold easily go learn this on your own online Jul 01 12:03:46 it's javascript, or more spepcificaly a variation of node.js Jul 01 12:03:55 specifically* Jul 01 12:08:38 yeah i googled it everywhere, but no tutorial on bonescript. All there is, is javascript Jul 01 12:08:46 thx for answering them Jul 01 12:10:29 https://www.google.com/search?q=bonescript+tutorial ? Jul 01 12:10:33 you searched? Jul 01 12:29:40 Hi all, i am having an issue with my beaglebone black. Anyone mind helping me out real quick. Jul 01 12:30:22 ask Jul 01 12:30:26 dont ask to ask Jul 01 12:31:49 I'm working on a board that I want to plug a BBB on to... whats the spacing between the cape headers ?? is there a pcb layout with the spacing documented that I havent found yet ?? Jul 01 12:32:32 its the same grid as the headers themselves Jul 01 12:32:39 (I wont call it a cape since the board to which the BBB will be attached is like 10x bigger than the BBB :) Jul 01 12:32:39 2.54mm Jul 01 12:33:01 the spacing between the 2 rows of headers -- not between the pins Jul 01 12:33:08 yes Jul 01 12:33:09 same grid Jul 01 12:33:12 just more Jul 01 12:33:49 17 "emtpy" pins Jul 01 12:34:03 thats nice -- now whats the center to center distance between the headers ?? Jul 01 12:34:04 you do the math Jul 01 12:34:28 header 2 + 17 + 2 header Jul 01 12:34:57 ok -- so center to center is 1.9 inches ?? Jul 01 12:36:16 ok thanks. Currently i am trying to add the Phidget board libraries to my BBB so that i am able to run my motor control phidget board. I have downloaded the correct files and configured them. Now when i use the Make command i am getting a version and permission error for autoconf 'warning: this file was generated for autoconf 2.68' Also gives me an 'warning: this file was generated for autoconf 2.68'. And i appologize for my termin Jul 01 12:37:28 oops wrong permission error /version.sh: Permission denied' Jul 01 12:52:52 Does anyone know of a patch for the BBxM to power up the hub using dtb? With 3.10 booting using a dtb I can get usb but from memory the usb hub is powered on via i2c and it doesn't appear to have that in the dtc yet Jul 01 12:53:37 i2c? Jul 01 12:53:40 no Jul 01 13:07:20 I would guess you need some sort of regulator foo Jul 01 13:08:01 koen, are you getting a clean boot with the 3.11 branch, or just "a boot"; I seem to be getting a lot of tracebacks - which I'm not entirely sure why Jul 01 13:09:19 jackmitchell, ? Jul 01 13:09:30 there are some tracebacks Jul 01 13:09:38 ok Jul 01 13:10:10 this in particular: http://pastebin.com/JktWn550 Jul 01 13:11:05 of course, systemd Jul 01 13:11:55 "vmalloc: allocation failure, allocated 20480 of 24576 bytes"? Jul 01 13:12:15 that's ungood Jul 01 13:12:51 Some how I doubt you can blame that on systemd, maybe though :) Jul 01 13:13:03 _everything_ can and will be blamed on systemd Jul 01 13:13:46 panto: that looks about right, this is my current boot log Jul 01 13:13:46 http://pastebin.com/fU4TNxRq Jul 01 13:14:01 I compiled to autofs4 to get it shut up about that Jul 01 13:14:06 s/to/in Jul 01 13:15:46 Is this normal "DT missing boot CPU MPIDR[23:0], fall back to default cpu_logical_map" Jul 01 13:18:49 also when I modprobe by custom module, I get: Jul 01 13:18:55 [ 301.725192] musb-hdrc musb-hdrc.0.auto: musb_init_controller failed with status -517 Jul 01 13:18:55 [ 301.743416] platform musb-hdrc.0.auto: Driver musb-hdrc requests probe deferral Jul 01 13:19:15 which I can only imagine, must mean I am reallocating some pins that USB is trying to use Jul 01 13:20:09 If something with mm is broken just about anything could fail Jul 01 13:20:46 yeah I didn't take it too seriously with all the previous booting errors; I thought it could possibly be a domino effect Jul 01 13:21:47 yeah, get the earlier errors fixed up then worry about it if it doesn't go away Jul 01 13:23:04 guys, 3.10 is devel quality at this moment Jul 01 13:23:19 it boots, and that's all we can be thankful for Jul 01 13:23:40 don't expect for every peripheral to work Jul 01 13:23:51 or for vmalloc to work :P Jul 01 13:24:01 welcome to the bleeding edge :) Jul 01 13:25:11 I'll stick to 3.8 unless I'm bored and feel like going on a bug scavenger hunt. Jul 01 13:25:19 georgem, +1 Jul 01 13:25:32 3.8 is going to be around for some time Jul 01 13:26:02 3.10+ is where we'll eventually end up, and from where mainline patch submission will take place Jul 01 13:27:50 panto: I understand; I was just trying to figure out where everyone else was and that I was on track ;) Jul 01 13:28:27 Which git tree are you using? linux-omap? if so which branch? Jul 01 13:28:43 fwiw, it appears the capemgr works on 3.10 too so capes will work too Jul 01 13:28:53 georgem: the cco 3.11 branch Jul 01 13:29:04 it will all end up here: git@github.com:pantoniou/linux-beagle-track-mainline.git Jul 01 13:29:16 and the CCO tree of course Jul 01 13:29:20 ok, cool. good to know Jul 01 13:29:31 the difference is that my tree will be a regular kernel tree with topic branches Jul 01 13:30:07 panto: what is awesome though; is that perf works in the new tree \o/ Jul 01 13:30:08 but pushing a brand new tree to github takes a _long_ time Jul 01 13:30:14 lol :) Jul 01 13:30:21 good Jul 01 13:30:38 if you take some time and figure out the patchset, we'll import it to our 3.8 branch ;P Jul 01 13:30:40 oh, yeah. bet so Jul 01 13:40:05 who would I talk to in order to buy a (pre?) production RF cape for the bone? Jul 01 13:40:21 the one that has the 2 EVM connectors Jul 01 13:40:59 prpplague, do you know? ^^^^ Jul 01 13:41:28 bradfa: that would be circuitco Jul 01 13:43:04 prpplague: not dealing from the back of your shed anymore :-D Jul 01 13:43:17 XorA: hehe Jul 01 14:22:04 morning Jul 01 14:22:20 moaning Jul 01 14:22:28 moaning punk Jul 01 14:22:55 the troubled kid Jul 01 14:23:33 * mru sends mranostay a crate of tribbles Jul 01 14:28:34 av500: troubled? Jul 01 14:28:41 you mean awesom Jul 01 14:29:04 or troubling Jul 01 14:29:45 mourning Jul 01 14:33:51 hi ka6sox Jul 01 14:35:41 hiya Jul 01 14:44:09 wow Jul 01 14:44:14 alltunes.com still operates Jul 01 14:44:21 and I remember my login Jul 01 14:47:44 \o/ Jul 01 14:49:00 mourning monday Jul 01 14:50:07 and they solved their credit card payment problem Jul 01 14:50:12 with bitcoins Jul 01 14:53:20 mru: no tribbles for me? Jul 01 14:54:09 * panto sends a tribble to prpplague Jul 01 14:54:16 don't feed it after midnight Jul 01 14:54:34 prpplague: tribbles eat all your grain, without grain there is no beer :-D Jul 01 14:55:00 XorA: no worries, they do well as a kabob on the grill Jul 01 14:55:16 XorA: what about fermented tribbles? Jul 01 14:56:41 mru, on a stick? Jul 01 14:57:45 also https://plus.google.com/photos/115590411932376027038/albums/5894954063165151169/5894954059936912930 Jul 01 14:59:23 mru: hehe Jul 01 15:00:20 craft services really outdid themselves on the place settings :P Jul 01 15:42:11 hehe the background image is funny http://ark.intel.com/ Jul 01 15:44:07 das: how so? Jul 01 15:45:10 mranostay: french have a weird sense of humor Jul 01 15:45:31 mranostay: and they drink wine rather than beer Jul 01 15:45:38 mranostay: so dont trust them Jul 01 15:45:47 what about greeks? Jul 01 15:45:58 we certainly have a weird sense of humour Jul 01 15:46:12 and we drink wine too (pine resin scented too) Jul 01 15:46:16 they are very trust worthy... you can trust them to take all your money ;) Jul 01 15:46:16 that must count for someting Jul 01 15:46:19 *something Jul 01 15:46:21 i think we know KotH's feelings on the greeks Jul 01 15:47:02 he ran! Jul 01 15:49:23 mranostay: it's funny if you're immature enough Jul 01 15:50:17 i think mranostay is pretty imature... Jul 01 15:50:22 yet he doesnt get it Jul 01 15:50:26 what does it say about you? Jul 01 15:50:44 +1 Jul 01 15:51:52 wmat: happy canuck day btw Jul 01 15:55:55 mranostay: thanks Jul 01 15:56:24 mranostay: I'll be bathing in poutine later Jul 01 15:57:34 wmat: you guys are just plain weird Jul 01 15:57:50 * mranostay needs to visit this weird land of Canada at some point Jul 01 15:59:20 wmat: that poutine stuff looks like it will kill you Jul 01 15:59:37 how could it ? it's cheese Jul 01 16:00:23 quiet frenchie :) Jul 01 16:00:42 cheese + gravy + fries Jul 01 16:01:09 wmat: have the canada day cake as well? Jul 01 16:02:01 anyone getting freezing problems when running X programs? Jul 01 16:02:21 hello mr vague Jul 01 16:02:47 mranostay: poutine is glorious Jul 01 16:02:53 when I tried to run Gimp on console of bb black got a freeze when starting a new blank page Jul 01 16:02:55 mranostay: but it will kill you Jul 01 16:03:08 but when doing it through ssh -Y does happen Jul 01 16:03:14 but when doing it through ssh -Y doesn't happen Jul 01 16:03:40 ran memory test on 400 MB (memtester) and no problems Jul 01 16:03:49 mranostay: ha, my wife makes some pretty good poutine Jul 01 16:04:05 its hard to find the right cheese here though Jul 01 16:04:14 cheese curds it seems Jul 01 16:04:21 what is a curd exactly? Jul 01 16:05:25 mranostay: solid sour milk Jul 01 16:05:52 any way I can isolate a display bug? Jul 01 16:06:07 wmat: ew Jul 01 16:06:13 I'm not a cheese expert but we found some cheese curds here that looked about right but she says they weren't squeaky enough. Jul 01 16:06:23 squeaky? Jul 01 16:06:41 heh Jul 01 16:06:58 yeah, I dunno. apparently they are supposed to make a squeaky sound when you eat them or something. Jul 01 16:07:07 i'm going to have to wave some beer bottles and guns in the air to offset this canada talk :P Jul 01 16:07:54 mranostay, don't worry, usaian day is coming soon Jul 01 16:07:56 wmat, so like Happy Canada Day, eh Jul 01 16:07:57 ? Jul 01 16:08:14 does canada even blow things up on canada day? Jul 01 16:08:30 doesn't England on Guy Fawkes day? Jul 01 16:08:40 well, they do that in Ottawa, at least.. Jul 01 16:08:41 may 1st? Jul 01 16:08:58 ka6sox: thanks Jul 01 16:09:01 remember remember the 5th of november Jul 01 16:09:05 ya hoser Jul 01 16:09:11 take off eh? Jul 01 16:09:14 Russ: geez you disspoint me :) Jul 01 16:09:24 * wmat channels geddy lee Jul 01 16:09:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuJHfkXEI-o san diego blows up all the things Jul 01 16:09:44 * mranostay wonders how big portlands fireworks show is Jul 01 16:10:05 I like this view point better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndVhgq1yHdA Jul 01 16:11:02 I like the lady who pulls the guy away Jul 01 16:11:20 Judging from the reaction my wife had when someone in the neighborhood set off a home made m80 yesterday I don't thing they really "blow things up in Canada". Jul 01 16:11:43 hehe Jul 01 16:12:11 georgem: frankly that is the only thing to do in Kansas :P Jul 01 16:13:23 geez http://olimex.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/parallella-99-supercomputer-is-now-open-source-hardware/ Jul 01 16:13:31 16 arm cores !? Jul 01 16:13:41 a15? Jul 01 16:13:54 mranostay: yeah... Jul 01 16:14:19 a9 Jul 01 16:14:34 that's not what that page says Jul 01 16:14:36 it says dual a9 Jul 01 16:14:42 and a 16-core coprocessor Jul 01 16:15:31 and 1GB ram will keep it thouroughly starved Jul 01 16:15:35 -u Jul 01 16:16:01 mru: why so? Jul 01 16:16:20 I'm more worried about comms topology in the coprocessor Jul 01 16:16:28 that too Jul 01 16:16:52 sounds like a recipe for high latency to me, but maybe I misread something Jul 01 16:16:54 * ogra_ wonders whats so super about that coputer Jul 01 16:17:01 *com Jul 01 16:17:10 it's better than an rpi Jul 01 16:17:15 heh Jul 01 16:17:17 there is some more info on thei kickstarter page : http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone Jul 01 16:17:23 I'm assuming it is Jul 01 16:17:28 would be hard not to be Jul 01 16:17:40 so my cheapo 2004 phone is a supercomputer then Jul 01 16:18:14 If you want a super computer get 4 GPU rig and breakout some CUDA or OpenCL Jul 01 16:18:29 georgem, surely fun on arm :P Jul 01 16:18:34 Yeah, 2300 cores each card there. Jul 01 16:18:57 Because of course it is only about the number of cores. Jul 01 16:19:02 that is supposed to 99 usd, how about that rig ? :D Jul 01 16:19:17 yeah.. Jul 01 16:19:25 * ogra_ thinks there are better waus to spend $99 Jul 01 16:19:30 *ways Jul 01 16:19:33 on beer for one Jul 01 16:19:39 ++ Jul 01 16:19:39 lol, beat me to it Jul 01 16:19:43 i'd love a 4 gpu card for 99 usd :D Jul 01 16:19:50 The_DuDE: I am not knocking the project for what it is; I am knocking it on its poor choice of terminology. Jul 01 16:19:52 note that the 16-core thing is _not_ arm Jul 01 16:20:06 maybe its compatible with the PRU :P Jul 01 16:20:11 agmlego: isn't that the definition of kickstarter? Jul 01 16:20:15 The_DuDE: A 16-core coprocessor and 1GB RAM does not a supercomputer make. Jul 01 16:20:23 mru: Well, yeah, but... Jul 01 16:20:27 ya, can't you do this type of thing on a GPU? Jul 01 16:20:33 ...yes Jul 01 16:20:41 See above comments to that effect. Jul 01 16:20:46 i wonder what the 16 coproc cores are for ? Jul 01 16:20:49 I remember a 4 core hdmi stick of freescale processors for $100, but I think availibility was an issue. Jul 01 16:21:12 The_DuDE: My guess is parallel processing. Jul 01 16:22:38 you could make an impractically slow bitcoin miner. Jul 01 16:22:57 http://www.adapteva.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/epiphany_arch_reference_3.12.12.18.pdf Jul 01 16:23:17 georgem, asics took all the fun out of mining :( Jul 01 16:23:55 looks like it'll have all the issues of the cell processor except even worse Jul 01 16:24:06 Russ: yeah Jul 01 16:24:55 ugh, memory is strongly ordered Jul 01 16:25:36 mru, rcu? Jul 01 16:26:46 err, 16 core PRUs anyone? Jul 01 16:27:06 is it a coherent memory arch? Jul 01 16:33:12 we put our Beagle Bone Black in the environmental chamber and tested it at -40 C to start testing for NEMA. Worked without a hitch. We were a little worried about the Ethernet. Looks like the parts list only shows one chip that doesn't have a wide rating. Jul 01 16:33:30 The hot test will be next, 85 C. Jul 01 16:35:24 nice! Jul 01 16:35:36 SoCo_cpp_: not all the parts are rated to -40C. Did you try bringing it up from power off at -40C? Jul 01 16:37:07 georgem yes, we did a cold soak at -40 C, booted, got a DCHP IP from the ethernet and ssh'd in through the ethernet. Everything seemed to work. Jul 01 16:37:29 SoCo_cpp_: NEMA? what application are you using this for? Jul 01 16:38:03 SoCo_cpp_, I'm not sure that the bone is certified for that Jul 01 16:38:11 so your mileage may vary Jul 01 16:38:14 SoCo_cpp_: FWIW the eMMC is only rated to -25C. Micron makes other parts that are rated to -40C. So maybe there could be an occasional problem. Jul 01 16:38:18 US traffic related. NEMA standard is pretty consistently in the standards requirements. Jul 01 16:38:24 next production runs will might not work Jul 01 16:38:55 BREAK STUFF! Jul 01 16:39:19 our parts guy identified some Ethernet "Fi Mac" or something, chip that looked suspect to not work, so we really were happy to see the Ethernet function Jul 01 16:39:37 panto: +1 Jul 01 16:39:55 Our uses will be on the non NEMA use paired with a NEMA system, so it will be nice to know it works, but we don't need an actually certified device. Jul 01 16:40:47 more power to you then Jul 01 16:40:52 speaking of NMEA Jul 01 16:40:53 let us know how the env testing works Jul 01 16:41:00 * panto kicks mranostay Jul 01 16:41:15 We will prolly do the hot 85 C testing this week or next week. Jul 01 16:41:42 georgem>I'll have to mention that eMMC to them, they might have missed that. Jul 01 16:42:42 We usually do an in house vibration test to. Jul 01 16:46:15 err, virt_to_phys doesn't really work on dma_alloc_coherent allocated memory, does it? Jul 01 16:47:21 panto: "This function does not give bus mappings for DMA transfers. In almost all conceivable cases a device driver should not be using this function" Jul 01 16:48:23 Jacmet, you never did SPL + eMMC/raw mode SD card + device tree, did you? Jul 01 16:48:25 just ATAGS Jul 01 16:50:56 georgem, it's more complicated than this Jul 01 16:51:05 panto: ah, ok Jul 01 16:51:14 :) Jul 01 16:51:46 sounds fun though :) Jul 01 16:52:17 depends on your definition of fun Jul 01 16:53:26 if pain is your thing.. Jul 01 16:53:48 goddamit, that was it Jul 01 16:54:32 it's one thing to ignore non x86 arches, it's another to try to accommodate it and fail miserably :/ Jul 01 16:54:51 mranostay: hey, beer o'clock comes faster if you've got your head in a really tricky problem than it does when you're bouncing between various mundane tasks :P Jul 01 16:55:42 so, strike virtio as b0rken for !rpmsg Jul 01 16:55:47 now how to fix it Jul 01 17:10:01 panto: will something like this work? page_to_phys(kmap_to_page(desc)) + ((unsigned long)desc & ~PAGE_MASK) Jul 01 17:12:20 probably not Jul 01 17:16:08 georgem, it's just a big snafu Jul 01 17:16:43 apparently the first person that did it, did it on an arch that returned valid phys addresses for a dma_alloc_coherent memory Jul 01 17:16:51 we're not like that (and most of arm) Jul 01 17:17:07 SoCo_cpp_, I hope you actually have a failure at -40 or +85 as the parts on the bone are definitely not rated to pass such testing, if it does it's not neccessarily a good sample size Jul 01 17:24:28 panto: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2011-April/047974.html Jul 01 17:31:19 georgem, it's even more involved :) Jul 01 17:37:45 bradfa> the -40 seemed to work for some reason, but we only did it once with one board. Jul 01 17:39:12 SoCo_cpp_, do you have AM335x parts with temp ratings? Jul 01 17:39:27 blacks so far, that I've seen, are preproduction parts without temp grades Jul 01 17:39:51 whites, at least those with D72 parts on them, should be fine from a SoC point of view but I think the DDR is only -20 Jul 01 17:40:03 racist bradfa Jul 01 17:40:05 We are using the standard Beagle Bone Black. We noticed that almost all parts are rated very nicely. There are just a couple concerning ones. Jul 01 17:40:20 * bradfa is a racer Jul 01 17:40:26 lol Jul 01 17:40:49 SoCo_cpp_, good luck to you with your testing Jul 01 17:41:37 Our actual operating environment will, of course, be very laxed, but we work around a lot of NEMA standard equipment, so it is always nice to see where we stand. Functioning durring a Canadian winter would be just fine, in all reality. Jul 01 17:41:56 SoCo_cpp_, where in canada does it only get -40 in winter? :) Jul 01 17:42:05 hipsterville? Jul 01 17:42:40 The NEMA standard is -35 C, so that is where that value comes from, the actual environment would be a Canadian winter at worst. Jul 01 17:43:04 better yet don't live in Canada :P Jul 01 17:43:36 I live in the Southern IL, myself, but we have a couple Canadian clients. Jul 01 17:44:20 what is in Southern IL? Jul 01 17:44:31 corn fields Jul 01 17:44:33 :P Jul 01 17:45:09 and low cost of living. But we have distributors through out the country. Jul 01 17:47:24 We want to move from an 8bit micro controller, Digi Rabbit, to a SOM. For the price and features, BBB seems worth trying to make work. It is also a developer favorite around here, from back in the original Bone days. Jul 01 17:48:31 We got Beagle Bones hooked up to GPS, FHSS radios, and Cellular modules. Lots of fun. Jul 01 17:49:09 SoCo_cpp_, cool Jul 01 17:49:50 We're abandoning the bone real soon now for product to go to either a SoM or our own design Jul 01 17:50:44 bradfa: traitor! Jul 01 17:50:49 bradfa: thats what we've done. Went to SoM with high density connectors. Wish we would have just built the entire board but it didn't happen. Jul 01 17:51:30 There are a lot of SoM's to choose from, but the edge connectors make us a little hesitant about most. They all seem like some PCI-ish edge connector that we don't like because of vibration and ruggedness worries. Jul 01 17:51:46 If circuitco made a beaglebone that was -40 to 85 with everything brought out to to connectors we'd use that Jul 01 17:52:32 We can always get a non-branded beagle bone and likely just place parts with higher ratings. Jul 01 17:52:44 or pay someone to. Jul 01 17:53:08 georgem, +1-ish Jul 01 17:53:13 Our pick-n-place doesn't do the tiny stuff well. Jul 01 17:53:28 yeah, our pick-n-place doesn't do BGA stuff too well Jul 01 17:53:32 SoCo_cpp_, yes, that's always an option but may not be cheaper than an off the shelf SoM which already meets the needs Jul 01 17:54:01 true Jul 01 17:54:32 am335x SoM in 1k quantities can be had for not much more than bbb prices Jul 01 17:54:54 with -40 rating Jul 01 17:55:04 if you're a ti fan Jul 01 17:55:25 we kind of like the MSP430 around here too Jul 01 17:55:28 but bones are good prototyping platforms, now that mainline is getting ever closer :) Jul 01 17:55:39 SoCo_cpp_, sadly we also like msp430 around here, too Jul 01 17:55:40 :) Jul 01 17:55:41 bradfa: we're having trouble getting industrial eMMC without really long lead times :( Jul 01 17:55:48 georgem, welcome to eMMC! Jul 01 17:56:30 georgem, circuitco is probably at the lower end of the quantity to get good lead times Jul 01 17:56:35 I'd bet Jul 01 17:56:44 probably Jul 01 17:56:47 and they're doing 10k plus builds, me thinks Jul 01 17:57:30 georgem, raw nand, it's cheap :) Jul 01 17:57:42 bradfa: ha, tried that. Jul 01 17:57:47 it's fun, no? Jul 01 17:57:51 bradfa: quiet you'll wake ds2 Jul 01 17:57:56 gah! Jul 01 17:58:04 3.8 kernel is all screwed with raw nand attached to am335x Jul 01 17:58:18 georgem, but the mainline! it's neigh! Jul 01 17:58:38 err, right Jul 01 17:58:42 just around the corner Jul 01 17:58:45 * panto runs Jul 01 17:58:48 I saw it on g+ must be true Jul 01 17:59:19 * bradfa booted a mainline kernel this morning.... Jul 01 17:59:30 heh Jul 01 17:59:36 granted, on imx Jul 01 18:00:55 panto: so is the kernel finally done yet? Jul 01 18:02:16 mranostay, have you x86ed all the things yet? Jul 01 18:02:38 <_av500_> he is still deccoding instructions Jul 01 18:02:40 <_av500_> -c Jul 01 18:06:48 too large instruction set? ;) Jul 01 18:10:11 mranostay: f00fc7c8 Jul 01 18:10:30 * mranostay crashs his bike into mru Jul 01 18:13:35 mranostay, is uefi done yet? Jul 01 18:13:47 panto, it's secure, what else needs to be done? Jul 01 18:14:19 not booting is uber secure Jul 01 18:15:29 hm, seems like ELCE is VIP club now :p $400 early-bird and $150 for students Jul 01 18:15:43 heh Jul 01 18:15:47 ynezz: ?? Jul 01 18:15:57 0$ if submit a talk Jul 01 18:16:00 *you Jul 01 18:16:30 I've been in Cambridge few years ago and it was possible to buy a "hobbyist" ticket for $100 Jul 01 18:16:51 whoa Jul 01 18:17:10 ynezz: $400 too expensive? Jul 01 18:17:23 yes, for me it is Jul 01 18:17:25 * prpplague must be jaded with conferences expenses Jul 01 18:17:40 prpplague: given that I currently expect to foot this myself as my workplace doesn't have a budget for 'anything' for me... Jul 01 18:17:44 I can buy a new scope for that price :) Jul 01 18:17:46 when does earlybird end? Jul 01 18:18:00 July 14th Jul 01 18:18:15 thanks for reminding me Jul 01 18:18:18 need to register Jul 01 18:18:40 lame they have the early bird end before CFP? Jul 01 18:20:11 *sigh* that's really early... Jul 01 18:21:47 well. maybe I can come up with something nice for the cfp. Jul 01 18:21:58 good luck :) Jul 01 18:22:03 at least this time I don't have an insane project on my neck Jul 01 18:23:11 prpplague: what are the benevolent dictators looking for this time in terms of topics? Jul 01 18:23:36 btw, how many are you going to be there? Jul 01 18:23:57 dm8tbr: automotive, device tree, can bus Jul 01 18:23:58 'maybe' Jul 01 18:23:58 I'm thinking about a BoF HOWTO porting from board file to OF Jul 01 18:23:58 only if my paper gets accepted Jul 01 18:24:07 prpplague: *sigh* I'm out Jul 01 18:24:23 bones in the car Jul 01 18:24:26 dm8tbr: those are just the hot button items Jul 01 18:24:33 * dm8tbr hangs himself from a device tree Jul 01 18:24:35 dm8tbr: feel free to ping some ideas off me Jul 01 18:24:40 *nod* Jul 01 18:24:57 prpplague, what do you think? still hating DT? :) Jul 01 18:24:58 I might have some things on streaming multimedia Jul 01 18:25:06 but that's not a strict embedded topic Jul 01 18:25:09 so meh Jul 01 18:25:22 just add some neon sauce Jul 01 18:26:18 panto: i still consider it the first major mistake for the linux kernel...... a complete and total disaster Jul 01 18:26:49 panto: but..... my opinion counts about as much as pissing in the wind Jul 01 18:26:54 prpplague: you rather have ACPI + board files? Jul 01 18:28:55 prpplague, well, let's wait and see how it turns out Jul 01 18:29:13 apparently people are using it without having to touch the vendor part of the kernel at all now Jul 01 18:29:19 which is a win in my book Jul 01 18:32:05 panto: hehe, like i said, my opinion isn't worth squat Jul 01 18:33:23 no-one's opinion is Jul 01 18:33:47 we can only ride the open source dragon, and who knows where it takes us Jul 01 18:39:03 open source is a dragon Jul 01 18:39:15 a big vicious fire breathing dragon burninating all the thatched roof cottages Jul 01 18:40:45 with heavy flatulence Jul 01 18:45:58 but enough about rms Jul 01 18:48:56 prpplague: its OK, we will "fix" FDT with ACPI, actively working on it for arm Jul 01 18:50:57 I doubt you can fix anything with ACPI Jul 01 18:51:17 if DT is complicated at level #1, acpi is at 10 Jul 01 18:51:47 *no comment* Jul 01 18:52:46 what happened to putting some forth in dt? Jul 01 18:53:53 <_av500_> back and forth Jul 01 18:54:03 go forth and multiply Jul 01 18:54:09 oh wrong channel Jul 01 18:54:09 bradfa: forth in FDT would give you basically ACPI Jul 01 18:54:22 XorA, exactly! Jul 01 18:54:36 bradfa: don't you have fuzzy pictures to go take? Jul 01 18:54:51 mranostay, yes, let me get back to that Jul 01 18:55:11 so instead of having a board file, you'll get to have a board file in the ACPI bytecode language Jul 01 18:55:17 how can that go wrong Jul 01 18:56:26 panto: until hardware guys design all hardware generic there will always be "board" files Jul 01 18:56:49 there's a difference Jul 01 18:57:07 <_av500_> all you need is USB and a webcam pointing at the PCB Jul 01 18:57:13 didn't we already fix this with board files? Jul 01 18:57:19 <_av500_> the BIOS can firugre the rest out then Jul 01 18:57:21 _av500_, you had met at USB Jul 01 18:57:25 having 'code' in your hardware definition is a recipe for disaster Jul 01 18:57:55 <_av500_> bradfa: I wanted to add something fuzzy into the mix Jul 01 18:58:13 especially when that code is completely hidden, cryptic, and relies on tools that are beholden to a 3rd party Jul 01 18:58:24 <_av500_> in board files it was in the open Jul 01 18:58:33 <_av500_> open source even Jul 01 18:58:49 yes, but it didn't scale Jul 01 18:58:55 well, ARM maintainers didn't scale Jul 01 18:59:18 it's one thing to have board files for 10 boards Jul 01 18:59:24 it's another for a thousand Jul 01 18:59:48 <_av500_> thats where fex comes to the rescue :) Jul 01 19:00:07 still better than ACPI Jul 01 19:00:39 hey hey Jul 01 19:00:54 fex > ACPI punk Jul 01 19:00:56 deal with it Jul 01 19:01:29 <_av500_> panto: he will, as soon as china hops onto the x86 android train Jul 01 19:01:51 <_av500_> "how can we edit acpi in MSDOS?" Jul 01 19:02:08 _av500_, I'm sure acpi is edited in msdos Jul 01 19:03:29 acpi again? Jul 01 19:03:33 *no comment* Jul 01 19:03:40 mdp, yes Jul 01 19:03:49 what, have you been on vacation all this time? :) Jul 01 19:04:34 ;) Jul 01 19:05:20 \o/ Jul 01 19:05:24 PRU vrings work Jul 01 19:05:39 I'm trying to talk i2c to a LED matrix. When I cable it up to P9_1 (vcc), P9_2 (gnd), P9_19 (clock), P9_20 (data) it won't power up. I'm feeding it via the microUSB to my PC. Not enough power? Jul 01 19:06:08 * mdp backslaps panto Jul 01 19:06:18 panto, will you release it as shareware? Jul 01 19:07:22 yes, if you supply the floppy Jul 01 19:07:25 ok, dinner time Jul 01 19:08:46 oop, p9_1 (gnd), p9_3 (vin) Jul 01 19:09:03 panto, I'll have one in a SASE out to you in the morning Jul 01 19:09:46 Tartarus: yes, I must say I only did atags, but device tree should afaik be equivalent Jul 01 19:09:57 Jacmet, it is, except for size Jul 01 19:10:04 4KiB isn't nearly enough Jul 01 19:10:11 I've got it working now, shuffled some stuff around Jul 01 19:10:17 Tartarus: damn bloated dtbs Jul 01 19:10:20 I'll post a patch soon, also going to write a readme Jul 01 19:10:23 Jacmet, no comment ;) Jul 01 19:10:34 i2cdetect now sees the device. Jul 01 19:10:35 Tartarus: thanks Jul 01 19:10:40 http://pastebin.com/DSRuHpk3 is it booting, fwiw Jul 01 19:10:43 not horrible I think Jul 01 19:10:59 Putting dcache on would help I imagine Jul 01 19:12:04 Tartarus: nice Jul 01 19:12:12 (Beaglebone White w/ memory cape so I can fiddle sysboot pins easily and have it on remote reset + uart loading) Jul 01 19:12:46 Tartarus: I got moved from the am335x based project to a ti816x one some time ago, so no fancy device tree stuff for me ;) Jul 01 19:13:59 ha Jul 01 19:14:19 Welp, here comes the bosses, I better get to work and quit showing off :) Jul 01 19:14:30 Tartarus: heh Jul 01 19:14:52 Tartarus: I'll try to find some time and review the ti816x series as well soon Jul 01 19:14:56 Jacmet, good news is that SPL+FAT just works, no need to worry about file size Jul 01 19:15:10 kinda funny to name a device tree "args", but it works Jul 01 19:15:48 Tartarus: yeah, it kind of made sense when it was atags/cmdline, but OK Jul 01 19:16:08 "Some day" we might change it on am335x_evm Jul 01 19:16:23 Or just live with it and call it somethingsomething.dtb on other platforms Jul 01 19:16:40 omap5_uevm for example, since we don't have any legacy trees to worry about Jul 01 19:16:47 Tartarus: ok, what do you want to call it then? "dtb" or u-boot.dtb or similar? Jul 01 19:17:03 Jacmet, I suck at naming things so I'm not going to say yet :) Jul 01 19:17:09 Tartarus: heh Jul 01 19:17:16 u-boot.dtb conflicts with the tegra and other folks that use dtb to inform part of u-boot Jul 01 19:17:21 Which isn't a bad thing Jul 01 19:17:36 Tartarus: ahh, yes Jul 01 19:36:24 hi Jul 01 19:37:59 i cant find download link to an ubuntu image with desktop for my beaglebone black! Jul 01 19:38:51 oh noes! Jul 01 19:40:25 http://www.armhf.com/ would that work? Jul 01 19:44:13 <_av500_> or armuhf... Jul 01 19:44:35 <_av500_> who is behind that site anyway? Jul 01 19:45:30 whois says some 'john clark' in indiana owns the domain Jul 01 19:45:37 http://pastebin.com/jvpiPEcy comments anyone? Jul 01 19:45:45 <_av500_> https://github.com/inindev Jul 01 19:45:51 doesn't sound particularly trustworthy Jul 01 19:46:05 the one Jul 01 19:47:30 <_av500_> Tartarus: truncated? Jul 01 19:47:56 touche. I haven't added other examples beyond falcon mode for emmc Jul 01 19:48:03 <_av500_> ah Jul 01 19:48:10 Aside from covering NAND and FAT SD, what else might be helpful? Jul 01 19:48:18 <_av500_> just checking NSA was not censoring it Jul 01 19:48:36 _av500_: we just log Jul 01 19:48:47 then ship your to gitmo Jul 01 19:48:49 *you Jul 01 19:48:57 <_av500_> I thought the canadians log Jul 01 19:49:13 that we do ;) Jul 01 19:49:29 i knew the being nice was an act! Jul 01 19:50:00 an actors will save the world Jul 01 19:50:04 and Jul 01 19:50:57 <_av500_> mdp: I blame you for working at work Jul 01 19:51:22 midwestern work ethic Jul 01 19:51:32 gosh darn it Jul 01 19:52:26 heh Jul 01 19:52:33 easy with the curses now Jul 01 19:52:46 geez gosh golly wmat Jul 01 19:53:35 it's time to use "gee willikers" in conference slides Jul 01 19:54:01 hootenanny was just a start Jul 01 19:54:29 heh Jul 01 19:55:22 mdp: you need to see how many beers that gets you from beckyb :) Jul 01 19:56:18 time to go now Jul 01 19:56:19 bbt Jul 01 19:57:08 mranostay, unfortunately, I have nothing I can think of to submit as a vehicle for this gag Jul 01 20:38:36 hi Jul 01 20:39:09 i have a small problem, i will let a node script run in background and to be continued after i logged out from terminal Jul 01 20:39:21 i startet with nohup node & Jul 01 20:39:31 but after i logged out of the terminal the script also stops Jul 01 20:39:41 what am i doing wrong? Jul 01 20:40:42 the ps command shows me that the process is connected to my pts/1 before logout Jul 01 20:41:00 how can i start the process without connection to pts/1 ? Jul 01 20:45:33 funkyxyz, have you tried using screen? Jul 01 20:45:57 no Jul 01 20:47:52 * mru blames systemd Jul 01 20:48:04 bradfa: wait you live next to the old Kodak HQ right? Jul 01 20:48:42 hm, screen will not work as i expected Jul 01 20:50:58 screen also quits the process Jul 01 20:53:15 i'm wondering why nohup is not working properly Jul 01 20:57:39 why the hell is nohup not working... Jul 01 20:57:55 is node catching the signal that the user lost the connection? Jul 01 20:59:18 * mru blames systemd Jul 01 21:00:27 mru: anyone like systemd? Jul 01 21:00:39 I do, mostly Jul 01 21:00:50 * mru kicks georgem Jul 01 21:01:30 I admit its a fun scapegoat though :) Jul 01 21:02:05 random killing of background processes was unheard of before the systemd infestation Jul 01 21:03:04 I've had no such problems. Jul 01 21:03:07 systemd is not the best solution for me Jul 01 21:03:21 i need the time before my script will start form a time server Jul 01 21:03:49 i can't understand why the following will not run in background "node &" Jul 01 21:03:59 it will only until i close my terminal connectin Jul 01 21:03:59 I suspect systemd is killing it Jul 01 21:04:51 I've never had that problem on my systemd-free systems Jul 01 21:05:18 probably because the cgroup is being taken down when the terminal session ends Jul 01 21:05:37 georgem: yes, and did anyone ask for that? Jul 01 21:05:41 answer: NO Jul 01 21:05:43 if you're using systemd properly you'd have a unit file setup for it Jul 01 21:06:02 that's fucked up Jul 01 21:06:12 there's no more polite way to put it Jul 01 21:06:19 :) Jul 01 21:06:25 but plenty of more accurate ones Jul 01 21:06:43 however, those are not fit even for this channel Jul 01 21:08:26 that seems like more of a cgroup / session life time problem than a systemd problem. maybe you can even build systemd with cgroups disable. never tried Jul 01 21:08:56 maybe it will help if i write a simple shell script arround and attach a sigtrap functin Jul 01 21:09:08 probably not Jul 01 21:09:23 why don't you just make a service unit file for it? Jul 01 21:09:38 georgem: because he doesn't fucking want to Jul 01 21:09:45 and bloody well shouldn't need to Jul 01 21:09:51 i need to be shure that the system time is correct before my script starts Jul 01 21:10:20 and as mru said, systemd unit is not what i want Jul 01 21:10:49 there are countless reasons for leaving a job running in the background without mucking about with the global system config Jul 01 21:11:05 a simple reason will be a download Jul 01 21:11:15 try using screen Jul 01 21:11:17 i will let it keep running if i lost my connectin Jul 01 21:11:23 screen did not worked Jul 01 21:11:25 i tried it Jul 01 21:11:25 hrm Jul 01 21:11:33 screen is often a good thing to be using Jul 01 21:11:41 but that's orthogonal Jul 01 21:13:18 have you any other ideas how i can solve the problem? Jul 01 21:13:51 i only need to detach my node process form my terminal session Jul 01 21:16:11 you may be able to move it to a different cgroup if that is indeed the problem Jul 01 21:16:47 you have me curious so I'm doing some tests Jul 01 21:16:58 that's not how unix is meant to work Jul 01 21:17:04 oh wait, systemd isn't unix Jul 01 21:17:40 in the worst case i can use screen Jul 01 21:17:49 but them maybe i did some mistake before while testing Jul 01 21:18:04 screen node or? Jul 01 21:31:59 funkyxyz: what if you just try: "screen CMD", where cmd is whatever you were running before and just detach from the screen? Jul 01 21:32:03 did that work? Jul 01 21:32:17 no Jul 01 21:32:28 got killed anyway? Jul 01 21:32:39 one mom i validate Jul 01 21:33:24 one mom one kill -9 Jul 01 21:34:01 georgem: yes it killed Jul 01 21:35:25 i typed "screen startController.sh" Jul 01 21:35:42 and startController.sh only contains "node myscript.js" Jul 01 21:35:53 and and myscript.js contains a while loop Jul 01 21:35:58 how did you detach from the screen? CTRL a + CTRL d? Jul 01 21:36:01 ok with timeouts Jul 01 21:36:04 yes Jul 01 21:36:12 ctrl+a + ctrl+d Jul 01 21:36:27 screen ./startTerraController.sh [detached] root@beaglebone1:~# Jul 01 21:36:55 then i closes my terminal and looked on a second one Jul 01 21:36:57 I do that but with top instead running on my machine it works, but I'm not running angstrom Jul 01 21:37:39 i will install a debian on my second beagleboard and try it Jul 01 21:38:04 I heartily recommend you try Arch also Jul 01 21:38:16 just my 2 cents. Jul 01 21:38:32 the baddest solution will be if i set a min-date in my controller and write a systemd module Jul 01 21:38:45 What version of systemd is running: systemctl --version Jul 01 21:38:47 So, i'm oging to use a DS3231 for a RTC. It uses the same driver as a DS1307, which is in the kernel etc Jul 01 21:38:59 If i just stick it on the I2C buss Jul 01 21:39:19 georgem: systemd 196 Jul 01 21:39:19 will it work ok? Jul 01 21:40:04 mrp, since the BBB has a RTC built in you might have to give the kernel a hint to use the DS2131 instead of the builtin Jul 01 21:40:24 funkyxyz: ok, I figured out the problem Jul 01 21:40:45 that sounds nice Jul 01 21:41:23 funkyxyz: pam_systemd must be used to move the login sessions outside of the per-connection SSH cgroups. Jul 01 21:41:24 http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-March/004842.html Jul 01 21:41:50 so, I suspect angstrom isn't using pam_systemd but I am Jul 01 21:43:31 <_av500_> there was some bug about angstrom and systemd and screen Jul 01 21:43:36 <_av500_> like 1 year ago Jul 01 21:44:19 yeah, see that link Jul 01 21:44:49 oh well... gotta go for now. maybe i'll get on from home. Jul 01 21:45:30 funkyxyz: maybe you're using an old version of angstrom? Jul 01 21:45:38 i used the install one ;-) Jul 01 21:45:41 or the flashed one Jul 01 21:45:48 i can update it tomorrow Jul 01 21:45:50 yeah. thats probably pretty old Jul 01 21:45:53 k Jul 01 21:45:54 ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww systemd Jul 01 21:45:59 gross Jul 01 21:46:12 where can i found the file dropbear at .service? Jul 01 21:46:21 /lib/systemd/system Jul 01 21:46:24 i did not check what he ment in his message Jul 01 21:46:26 ah ok Jul 01 21:46:27 thankx Jul 01 21:46:36 s/x/s Jul 01 21:48:29 where should i write the KillMode? Jul 01 21:48:33 in unit or service section? Jul 01 21:54:08 in the man page Jul 01 21:55:06 thx it worked Jul 01 21:55:57 then it also worked without to use screen Jul 01 21:56:07 i will update the os tomorrow Jul 01 21:56:19 and try a debian and arch on my other beagleboards Jul 01 21:57:29 thanx georgem Jul 01 21:57:32 thanx all Jul 01 22:00:17 hey anyone know what the max baudrate is on the UART ports for beaglebone black? Jul 01 22:01:55 Hi! Jul 01 22:02:00 115k i think Jul 01 22:02:41 3.6864M says the trm Jul 01 22:02:42 I just bought a BBB and I'm wondering that is it possible to get XBMC running on it? Jul 01 22:03:33 trm? Jul 01 22:03:39 technical reference manual Jul 01 22:03:50 The docs for the SoC family on the BBB Jul 01 22:03:51 oh i guess I need to rtfm Jul 01 22:04:03 spruh73c Jul 01 22:05:57 wait 3.6864M for real? Jul 01 22:06:06 the trm says so Jul 01 22:06:07 link? Jul 01 22:06:14 spruh73c Jul 01 22:06:58 oh Jul 01 22:08:09 mru: the *evil* TRM! Jul 01 22:08:50 where can i find the /sys/class/ names for the pins? Jul 01 22:14:57 i'm missing some gpio links in /sys/class/gpio Jul 01 22:23:59 * funkyxyz < rtfm :-) Jul 01 22:24:55 * funkrusha was funkyxyz in the past Jul 01 22:27:08 * mranostay doesn't care Jul 01 22:29:26 mranostay: you only care about beer and guns Jul 01 22:29:45 beer sounds good :-) Jul 01 22:30:26 aww fock it I need a bench power supply but they're ridicilously pricey Jul 01 22:32:28 who the hell stores phone numbers as floats? Jul 01 22:32:50 the new corporate travel agency thinks my number is 4.48e11 Jul 01 22:34:07 not even e911 Jul 01 22:34:33 +4479.... Jul 01 22:34:39 like most uk mobile numbers Jul 01 22:35:14 maybe it is a new way to multicast calls Jul 01 22:35:49 mru: phone numbers as floats that is a new one Jul 01 22:35:55 not really Jul 01 22:36:02 it's disturbingly common in web apps Jul 01 22:36:08 dailywtf is full of them Jul 01 22:36:49 mru: haha Jul 01 22:39:43 at least they managed to transfer my airline loyalty programme numbers properly Jul 01 22:40:13 of course I have one with all the major ones Jul 01 22:40:15 very loyal Jul 01 22:40:46 loyalty dejour? Jul 01 22:41:16 I actually do try to use BA when possible Jul 01 22:41:37 sticking mainly to one airline is the only way to get any elevated status Jul 01 22:41:40 * SpeedEvil pities the foo's that don't use BA. Jul 01 23:12:00 mru, elevated above Cattle? Jul 01 23:13:01 ka6sox-away: occasional upgrades are not unheard of Jul 01 23:13:42 today flying can best be described as a License for people to Grope you and be herded like cattle. Jul 01 23:13:52 is BA a star alliance member? Jul 01 23:13:59 mranostay: no Jul 01 23:14:05 BA is in oneworld Jul 01 23:14:15 star alliance airlines mostly suck Jul 01 23:14:29 mostly but i'm in the US remember :) Jul 01 23:14:42 now Southwest is like cattle for sure :) Jul 01 23:14:45 lufthansa is ok Jul 01 23:14:45 BA, iirc, gives you miles on AA w/in the US Jul 01 23:14:48 But iirc AA does not Jul 01 23:15:02 BA and AA miles are interchangable Jul 01 23:15:13 mru, with some exceptions, yeah Jul 01 23:15:16 or at least you can earn miles on each with the other's card Jul 01 23:15:32 iirc AA won't give you miles on BA transatlantic Jul 01 23:15:43 but BA will give you on AA Jul 01 23:16:01 I'd never fly AA transatlantic Jul 01 23:16:10 Indeed Jul 01 23:16:26 But you're part of AA you don't earn miles on that leg Jul 01 23:16:34 If you're on a BA flight Jul 01 23:16:47 * Tartarus has a BA#, but will probably be on some other network next go-round Jul 01 23:16:53 need to sort that out soon now Jul 01 23:16:54 I'm in britain, thus I have a BA card Jul 01 23:21:40 mru: how are the bridges in the UK? good for trolling? Jul 01 23:22:08 there's a toll bridge nearby Jul 01 23:22:11 just missing an r Jul 01 23:23:59 mru: well iirc trolls would eat you if you didn't pay a toll Jul 02 00:00:47 emeb or ka6sox I need a some advice on the blank canvas cape. So I've found that it's drawing ~1A, but for the life of me I can't find a shorted pin. Between 3.3V and ground I'm getting 9.4-9.8Ohm every combination of those pins I have been able to get at (or near enough). Can you guys recommend a way to test if the fpga is toast without risking my beaglebone? Using a bus pirate I have verified that the IO-Expander and the EEPROM are wor Jul 02 00:01:53 magyarm: use your little finger to work out what's getting hot Jul 02 00:02:05 nothing is Jul 02 00:02:22 I did... first thing I tried :( Jul 02 00:02:22 Why do you think it's drawing 1A? Jul 02 00:02:36 multimeter is in series with the power supply Jul 02 00:02:39 Because if it's drawing 3W - something should be getting at the least warm Jul 02 00:02:43 magyarm: sorry - don't have any magic bullets to help here. Jul 02 00:02:57 And if it's not - your measurement is questionable. Jul 02 00:03:23 Many meters are not very accurate if loaded in other than DC Jul 02 00:04:05 magyarm, my first inclination is to take a picture of it Jul 02 00:04:11 and send that Jul 02 00:04:15 i hope not, it's my only meter Jul 02 00:04:23 will do Jul 02 00:04:29 magyarm: what brand? Jul 02 00:04:44 mranostay, Dole Jul 02 00:04:46 mastech Jul 02 00:04:54 magyarm: those are crap :) Jul 02 00:05:27 okay,its what he has Jul 02 00:05:28 haha, i figured it's not great, but it has served me well through school Jul 02 00:05:50 magyarm, tell me the voltage you are getting on the output of the 3v3 regulator Jul 02 00:06:14 and 9.8ohm reminds me of something in backwards. Jul 02 00:06:17 ka6sox: not a Fluke person? Jul 02 00:06:30 if its works...its a fluke Jul 02 00:06:44 mranostay, Beckman Jul 02 00:07:54 output of 3.3V regulator is 2.75V Jul 02 00:09:03 okay, I suspect something in backwards Jul 02 00:09:32 i thought it might be the buffers Jul 02 00:09:33 send pictures Jul 02 00:09:35 ya Jul 02 00:09:39 might be Jul 02 00:09:49 i'm uploading now Jul 02 00:09:55 magyarm, we need hi res ones... Jul 02 00:10:01 low res might not catch this Jul 02 00:10:10 8.1 MP Jul 02 00:10:21 magthat will work Jul 02 00:11:30 magyarm, are you west or east of the rockies? Jul 02 00:13:15 east Jul 02 00:14:14 ka9sox yourself? Jul 02 00:14:32 ka9sox images coming. not the fastest internet here Jul 02 00:16:14 magyarm: the best coast Jul 02 00:25:21 ka9sox they are up here https://plus.google.com/111884908984623975532/posts/QZWm3Ew9WUQ sorry that took so long Jul 02 00:30:05 302 looks like its in backwards Jul 02 00:30:33 but I defer to emeb Jul 02 00:33:08 looking... Jul 02 00:34:11 yep - U302 in backwards. Jul 02 00:34:17 amazing how often that happens. Jul 02 00:35:51 the package shape is a bit too subtle. Jul 02 00:36:02 right Jul 02 00:36:44 that chamfered edge is down instead of up Jul 02 00:38:11 bugger. I thought I got that one right, the text matchs that of U302 on emeb's website. For future, do not trust text orientation on an IC Jul 02 00:39:00 I couldn't tell the marked side, so used the photo Jul 02 00:39:52 the mark is more like an edge that is beveled Jul 02 00:40:49 emeb, he didn't say anything about the teensy ones :) Jul 02 00:41:09 magyarm: right - seems that they changed the marking between when I built it and now. Jul 02 00:41:17 You're not the first to be confused by that. Jul 02 00:42:09 ka6sox: ya - should double-check those. Jul 02 00:42:32 ka6sox I must admit, even with a magnifying loop I can't see it's marking. maybe when I get it off I'll get a better angle Jul 02 00:42:51 you know - that picture on the BCC page may be of the one with the part in backwards before I powered up. :( Jul 02 00:43:14 I'll put a new one up of one of my known-good boards. Jul 02 00:43:16 haha, did it survive afterwards? Jul 02 00:43:20 Nope. Jul 02 00:43:31 Hope you have a spare flash chip. Jul 02 00:43:41 uh oh. Jul 02 00:44:01 thankfully 24 digikey service Jul 02 00:44:06 yep. Jul 02 00:44:18 always get a spare! esp when they're as cheap as those are. Jul 02 00:45:20 amazing how mistakes can propagate... :P Jul 02 00:45:27 ouch Jul 02 00:45:29 okay Jul 02 00:45:35 I usually do... work taught me if you need 1 of something, buy 3. I did that for my final capstone this year, but I cheaped out on this order :| Jul 02 00:45:38 magyarm, the pictures showed the issue Jul 02 00:46:01 so they were worth the time. Jul 02 00:46:43 ka6sox, absolutely. learning experience for me, and practice soldering + toaster ovening boards Jul 02 00:47:10 :) Jul 02 00:55:12 new picture up Jul 02 00:58:45 and that's it, no more short. Woot Jul 02 00:59:45 cool. Jul 02 00:59:52 emeb and ka6sox thank you both for your help tonight. Jul 02 00:59:54 you can test the board w/o the flash. Jul 02 01:00:08 magyarm: do you have BBB or BBW? Jul 02 01:00:20 emeb BBW Jul 02 01:00:38 so I won't have the issues you guys have talked about on the mailing list Jul 02 01:00:44 with BBB Jul 02 01:00:49 OK - self-config @ powerup works w/ BBW. For some reason it doesn't work w/ BBB Jul 02 01:00:57 Still need to debug that. Jul 02 01:01:25 but you can confirm I2C and FPGA function w/o the flash chip. Jul 02 01:01:37 device tree isn't loading it? Jul 02 01:03:15 yes. As long as I made no other mistakes I should be ok. When I made my design, I had never planned on having the SPI flash for config. My thought was to always have it configured by the beaglebone Jul 02 01:03:40 I'm just doing another sanity test on it before I apply power again:) Jul 02 01:15:21 sanity? Jul 02 01:15:26 do we have any of that? Jul 02 01:15:34 I used mine up long ago Jul 02 01:16:03 emeb, +1 Jul 02 01:16:18 emeb, was that before, or afer learning VHDL? Jul 02 01:16:32 long before. :) Jul 02 01:17:07 time for dinner. bbl Jul 02 01:34:10 ka6sox, success. only 37mA draw. Now to hook up the beaglebone and test program. Jul 02 01:34:25 magyarm, sweet Jul 02 01:45:46 Hi Jul 02 01:45:52 Anyone here? Jul 02 01:47:53 Nope. Jul 02 01:55:28 guess not Jul 02 02:15:12 no ones home go away ! Jul 02 02:53:34 * mranostay bikes in **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 02 02:59:58 2013