**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 19 02:59:58 2013 Jul 19 03:00:12 this is the first time I have even tried to do anything with it Jul 19 03:00:35 it should boot up without an SD inserted if yo uhaven't fashed it Jul 19 03:00:48 i have no SD inserted in it Jul 19 03:00:51 it's the black, right? Jul 19 03:01:05 literally just plugged it mini usb to my laptop usb Jul 19 03:01:11 I see the mass storage drive "beagle bone" Jul 19 03:01:13 I click it Jul 19 03:01:17 it opens a file Jul 19 03:01:31 I click on a icon that says start Jul 19 03:01:38 thats your computers fault Jul 19 03:01:52 a new tab appears in my browser says F:\start.htm Jul 19 03:02:02 why is my computer making this suck? Jul 19 03:02:12 you're autostart / file associations are somehow screwed up Jul 19 03:02:16 whcih version of windows ? Jul 19 03:02:21 windows 7 Jul 19 03:02:25 32bit Jul 19 03:02:25 32 ? Jul 19 03:03:09 yes 32 bit Jul 19 03:03:24 I use Win 7 x64 enterprise. FIrst time I started up the bbb and browsed to it, it open as a mass storage device, and then i could browse to start.htm Jul 19 03:03:43 you sure you installed all the driver properly ? theres like 4-5 drivers Jul 19 03:03:56 ( have to keep clicking yes Jul 19 03:04:00 ) Jul 19 03:04:21 you have to install drivers before you open it? Jul 19 03:04:43 well no actually you're right. Jul 19 03:04:50 instructions for a tethered pc say "connect usb, look for mass storage drive to appear, open the drive and click on start.htm Jul 19 03:04:56 follow the instructions on the pc Jul 19 03:05:03 open start.htm and see what code it contains Jul 19 03:05:18 * ka6sox guessses NO Jul 19 03:05:20 open for editing* Jul 19 03:05:45 does it matter which browser? Jul 19 03:05:58 no open it with notepad make sure its not empty Jul 19 03:06:29 right click open with . . . notepad Jul 19 03:06:31 ok one second Jul 19 03:06:54 empty on notepad too Jul 19 03:07:11 then the file is either that way by default or corrupt somehow Jul 19 03:07:25 so what do I just return it? Jul 19 03:07:46 no . . . Jul 19 03:08:02 why would you do that because of some silly one use htm file ? Jul 19 03:08:25 you can go to cicuitco's website, and read the start htm there instead Jul 19 03:08:26 I don't know how to use this thing then...I mean I thought I was going to be able to view angstrom on it Jul 19 03:08:52 the link should be on the card that came in the box Jul 19 03:09:51 SO its not your computers fault afterall, but why it would autostart on start.htm is beyond me Jul 19 03:10:02 maybe they've changed that in the recent revisions ? Jul 19 03:10:34 yeah I'm a bit confused Jul 19 03:10:58 circuitco's web pages has start htm too so you're not stuck Jul 19 03:11:25 only thing you realy need to do is install the g_ether USB<-> network drivers Jul 19 03:12:21 It seems like those are in the file cabinet of the F drive? Jul 19 03:12:33 file cabinet ? Jul 19 03:13:08 eh when I open F drive...it's like a buncha files and icons Jul 19 03:13:12 one of the files says drivers Jul 19 03:13:19 I just tried to open them and they have nothing on them as well Jul 19 03:13:41 sounds like you need to read up on how to instal the latest working image Jul 19 03:14:11 beagleboard google groups search -> "flashing new image" Jul 19 03:14:24 I dont run angstrom on our bbb's so I have no idea what the process is Jul 19 03:14:48 but it should be documented on cicuitco's pages too Jul 19 03:14:51 I just put ubuntu on a microsd card like 15 minutes ago Jul 19 03:14:57 but I figured I would look at the original stuff first Jul 19 03:15:10 what do you plan on doing with the bbb ? Jul 19 03:15:17 desktop Jul 19 03:15:32 or so I say :) Jul 19 03:15:39 you might be better off with debian and LXDE Jul 19 03:15:54 there are known issues with ubuntu and X Jul 19 03:16:04 yeah I heard about that Jul 19 03:16:07 13.04 doesnt work correctly for many Jul 19 03:16:40 eh well...if it sucks I'll tear down the sd card and put something else on it Jul 19 03:17:06 this is all just learning fun stuff to me Jul 19 03:17:16 trial and error success failure etc... Jul 19 03:17:27 fwiw, debian runs pretty dahmed solid, but also fwiw i run comd line only Jul 19 03:17:53 ahh...I am trying to use internet explorer Jul 19 03:17:57 it will not work with that Jul 19 03:18:02 nope it wont Jul 19 03:18:05 I must have firefox or chrome Jul 19 03:18:14 chrome would be best bet Jul 19 03:18:31 nope can't use chrome...it's quick but it logs everything you do Jul 19 03:18:40 early one there were known issues with FF, no idea if they have corrected them or not Jul 19 03:21:44 what's the upside to firefox? Jul 19 03:21:47 more secure or something? Jul 19 03:22:28 only thing that comes to mind, is that it wont reload tabs until you focus on them Jul 19 03:23:02 its a resource hog compared to chrome, but chrome does some things . . .differently. Meaning chrome is probably less secure. Jul 19 03:24:39 ok so it says "browse to your beagle board server using firefox or chrome" Jul 19 03:24:49 where is my beagle board server located? Jul 19 03:25:02 you installed the drivers ? Jul 19 03:25:20 192.168.7.2 if you've installed the drivers Jul 19 03:25:34 Where did you get that number from? Jul 19 03:25:50 its known :) Jul 19 03:26:00 it probably even on the page you're reading Jul 19 03:26:22 Maybe Jul 19 03:26:29 now I am at that server Jul 19 03:26:31 regrdless its the default IP for g_ether on the beaglebone black Jul 19 03:26:32 what do I do now? Jul 19 03:26:49 read the page ? Jul 19 03:28:54 ok so it says "you beagle board can do all this and more!" Jul 19 03:30:38 is SSH what hackers use? Jul 19 03:31:25 real hackers use axes Jul 19 03:32:31 haha Jul 19 03:32:36 that's cool Jul 19 03:34:36 ok so how do I actually play on my beagle bone? Jul 19 03:34:53 cause basically it's just sitting here blinking and I'm reading a faq about beagle bones and capes and things I already googled before I bought the bone Jul 19 03:42:49 Can I boot ubuntu off the beagle board and see it on my laptop? Jul 19 03:43:30 also cdc serial and rndis drivers did not install Jul 19 03:43:32 is that ok? Jul 19 03:44:44 why don't you just connect a monitor to it? Jul 19 03:45:37 cause ebay is slow shipping me a micro hdmi cable Jul 19 03:46:04 fair enough :/ Jul 19 03:46:17 thurgood is it ok that when I ran the driver install three were successful but the cdc and rndis did not install? Jul 19 03:46:55 dunno what each driver does... but I assume they install for a reason Jul 19 03:47:24 it just told me "your board is connected Jul 19 03:47:28 what does that mean? Jul 19 03:49:51 uh... Jul 19 03:50:32 I get that "it's connected" Jul 19 03:50:33 hooray Jul 19 03:50:49 but I'm just looking at a beagleboard.org webpage with a computer tethered to my laptop Jul 19 03:51:13 like...why can't I look at the angstrom distro or something and set the time, or download a file on my beagle board Jul 19 04:53:31 HELLO! Jul 19 04:57:04 hello Jul 19 04:57:06 tgif Jul 19 04:57:13 beer Jul 19 04:57:16 but it will be friday tommorr in the USA Jul 19 04:57:22 which means my clients won't forgot Jul 19 04:57:33 not friday yet Jul 19 05:01:06 i'm knfaffered. Jul 19 05:01:37 Any one there to help me for making a BUILT IN driver for linux 2.6.34 version Jul 19 05:02:06 oh boi Jul 19 05:03:10 Can you help me for making a BUILT IN driver for linux 2.6.34 version Jul 19 05:08:27 * mranostay tips hat to davest Jul 19 06:28:42 where can i find opengl prepackaged ? :) Jul 19 06:29:17 for beagleboard black latest linus image Jul 19 06:49:24 FRIDAY! Jul 19 06:50:01 Happy Chocolate Friday! Jul 19 06:50:32 friday again! (just like all the other days here in #beagle) Jul 19 06:50:48 tsjsieb, is that a complaint? Jul 19 06:51:02 no! its a compliment! Jul 19 06:51:20 good, because the complaint department is CLOSED on fridays Jul 19 06:51:45 on #beagle fridays or normal fridays? Jul 19 06:51:46 there is a complaint department? Jul 19 06:52:02 there are different fridays? Jul 19 06:53:23 I think so, the ones before the weekend seem to be the best Jul 19 06:54:49 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/52 Jul 19 06:55:09 suihkulokki, yes, but its NEVER open. Jul 19 07:05:29 av500, are you around? Jul 19 07:05:42 what can you tell me about that: http://gitorious.org/archos-gen9-mer-adaptation-kernel/archos-gen9-mer-adaptation-kernel/trees/master/drivers/gpu/pvr Jul 19 07:06:10 that's actually matze's doing Jul 19 07:06:18 panto: probably "this is not the git repo you are looking for *jedi move*" Jul 19 07:06:33 depends Jul 19 07:07:09 that's the repo for the beaten-into-submission franken kernel that then works with x.org somehow Jul 19 07:07:43 on that specific hardware generation which used 4430/4460, dunno if it would work on a 4470 Jul 19 07:07:45 say no to programmers violence! Jul 19 07:08:05 KotH: talk to sarah about that, or whatsername... Jul 19 07:09:00 i will do that Jul 19 07:09:11 sarah sharp? Jul 19 07:09:12 then we will form the anti-programmer-violence league! Jul 19 07:10:25 LKML should adopt the TI style of review Jul 19 07:10:29 hide your patches Jul 19 07:10:49 and if someone finds a patch of yours and shows that it doesn't work, report that person to HR Jul 19 07:11:33 >.< Jul 19 07:12:09 * dm8tbr meanwhile designs motivational posters 'Code has feelings too!' "Someone think of the sources!" ... Jul 19 07:17:26 but but that does away with the fun of flaming someone to cinders Jul 19 07:19:16 we need some newspeak too. something like 'this code was massaged to work'? would that be plusgood? Jul 19 07:21:20 massaged to work = hammered in, right ? Jul 19 07:22:19 nono, that's now "persuaded to fit in" Jul 19 07:22:42 "scared into position" Jul 19 07:23:44 hi everybody Jul 19 07:35:27 * dm8tbr ponders if it's owl-stretching time Jul 19 07:44:39 * emocakes is listening to "Survival" by Bob Marley & The Wailers, from the album Survival via Spotify. Jul 19 07:57:59 * KotH listens to "bits falling on the floor", from the album "electronics done wrong" Jul 19 08:00:25 KotH, I saw something amazing today Jul 19 08:00:35 I was pulling apart the brake system on my car Jul 19 08:00:57 and when I put it all back together, the screws had somehow duplicated themselves while in the tin Jul 19 08:01:00 it is really amazing Jul 19 08:01:10 I have like a bunch of screws left over Jul 19 08:03:20 yeah, they were making out in the tin, happens all the time... Jul 19 08:04:24 i should segregate the male and female parts next time Jul 19 08:04:49 I have a child, don't want my child to be exposed to that smut Jul 19 08:15:36 FRIDAY! Jul 19 08:15:50 yup Jul 19 08:16:39 * dm8tbr waits for the apropriate 54 quote to be posted Jul 19 08:17:17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0 Jul 19 08:17:30 dm8tbr, you missed it earlier Jul 19 08:18:08 ka6sox: that was the friday everyday quote. I was waiting for the 'av500 announces friday' quote Jul 19 08:22:23 tgif! Jul 19 09:18:11 hello Jul 19 09:23:53 I have a BB rev A6, stock angstrom 11-22-12, and an RS232 cape. I RTFM but can't figure out how to use the serial port. Jul 19 09:24:52 dmesg shows a bunch of ttyOx, made some simple tests with minicom and a null modem cable, but none of them seem to work Jul 19 09:25:02 you have to enable it in dt Jul 19 09:25:14 any hint? Jul 19 09:25:25 KotH: dt? Jul 19 09:25:29 device tree Jul 19 09:25:36 you have to set pin mux and stuff right Jul 19 09:25:51 i think there is someowhere a blog post that explains that Jul 19 09:26:19 our resident greek guy should be able to tell you more about it Jul 19 09:26:29 but unfortunately, he didnt apear yet Jul 19 09:26:38 he is probably enjoying himself at the beach today Jul 19 09:26:49 so you'll have to make do with the turk Jul 19 09:27:02 yeah.. and he doesnt know shit! Jul 19 09:27:06 I'm looking for a check screen. No nooed ot be toch sensitive, Just somethink I can CHEAOPLEY breaky ouf of a e-reader-.camera' Jul 19 09:27:07 echo BB-UARTx >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots Jul 19 09:27:16 a wild greek appears Jul 19 09:27:32 samael, by default nothing is enabled Jul 19 09:27:43 cheap Jul 19 09:27:44 you have to enable the stuff you want to use Jul 19 09:27:45 and what's with the * in all those echo commands people mention? Jul 19 09:28:15 kappla: please rephrase your question in proper english Jul 19 09:28:20 that's the way around the fact that OF puts a default bus id number Jul 19 09:28:35 OF? Jul 19 09:28:43 Orel Füssli? Jul 19 09:28:44 open firmware Jul 19 09:28:46 ah.. Jul 19 09:28:46 KotH: skall do ( butt vill take time, ubsobe ) Jul 19 09:28:51 no, it's not really open at all Jul 19 09:28:55 hence the name Jul 19 09:28:56 panto: ok, i see. thank you Jul 19 09:29:10 hipstercircuits has a bunch of example Jul 19 09:29:12 *examples Jul 19 09:29:24 there's also that document I wrote but which no-one seems to find Jul 19 09:30:22 i'm new to bb and it seems i've lost something important while reading the docs. what should i (re-)read to find out more about this? Jul 19 09:31:10 (i mean, about hardware and capes setup in general) Jul 19 09:31:16 panto: but why aren't you at the beach? Jul 19 09:31:26 samael, http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_and_the_3.8_Kernel Jul 19 09:31:32 KotH, don't remind me Jul 19 09:31:36 panto: i really looked forward to be envious of you! Jul 19 09:31:49 hopefully that will be done tomorrow and the day after Jul 19 09:32:31 panto: thanks again Jul 19 09:32:37 np Jul 19 09:32:53 panto: at least something Jul 19 09:33:18 almost a month till vacation time Jul 19 09:33:19 SI I'm loogin for at the beagleboard ( not decided which ). But a important choich to me is that I can get a good screen for it ( not 20" ). Just somethink lilke http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-BT without casting half and arm and a leg. Jul 19 09:33:29 is there some bot with karma counter (or the like) around here? :) Jul 19 09:33:42 he have the big board(tm) Jul 19 09:33:50 and hardware-bug Jul 19 09:33:51 mdp is a bot? Jul 19 09:33:55 Cna I just take any digital camerican and modifiy the scree and then make it world without being a pro Jul 19 09:34:07 also, has anyone actually seen the big board? Jul 19 09:34:23 work Jul 19 09:34:44 kappla, we're having trouble following you Jul 19 09:34:48 what exactly do you want to do? Jul 19 09:34:55 kappla: you live in .se, dont you? Jul 19 09:35:01 panto:kyes Jul 19 09:35:11 KotH: yes I live in SE Jul 19 09:35:15 kappla: there should be a couple of companies in your vincinity, who deal with lcd Jul 19 09:35:21 kappla: call them up and ask for a quote Jul 19 09:35:40 kappla: they will be able to tell you what interface would be the right one and give you better prices Jul 19 09:35:50 mru, you have my permission to switch to swedish mode Jul 19 09:36:04 kappla: but be aware that lcd are a moving target, what you could buy yesteday, will be gone tomorrow Jul 19 09:36:32 here today, gone yesterday Jul 19 09:36:51 Tanks you, ( hard when not sober ). I wiilll come back but I'll be sober then so no worries Jul 19 09:37:02 oh.. Jul 19 09:37:11 kappla: be FUCKING SOBER when you ask questions ^^' Jul 19 09:37:12 a bit early to be drunk... Jul 19 09:37:23 dude, it's noon Jul 19 09:37:39 mru: aren't sweedish known to drink _a_lot_ Jul 19 09:37:40 ? Jul 19 09:37:48 define a lot? Jul 19 09:37:59 how much booze would you need to get over 6 months of winter? Jul 19 09:38:30 panto: when i was in highschool (around 16 or so) we had a group of sweedish, all around 14. each of them drunk twice the amount the best of us could drink Jul 19 09:38:43 Not drink and yes Iäm a "degenarate". Will study fyskis next year at uni. Suxk on that one you Volov villa dund Jul 19 09:38:46 they're pros Jul 19 09:38:51 drunk Jul 19 09:38:56 i'm Jul 19 09:39:04 we can tell Jul 19 09:39:09 this don't work Jul 19 09:39:14 later Jul 19 09:39:16 so go sleep it over Jul 19 09:39:28 panto: thing is... you cannot get booze at the age of 14 in .ch legaly. they still managed somehow, and got huge quantities Jul 19 09:39:57 meh, no-one cares about selling alcohol to teens in europe Jul 19 09:40:03 here they do Jul 19 09:40:22 and if your shop is caught selling alc to a minor, you will lose your license on the spot Jul 19 09:40:24 perhaps they had a greek or a turk buddy :) Jul 19 09:40:34 they were here for 2 weeks... Jul 19 09:40:47 i still dont know how they managed that... but everyone of us was impressed :) Jul 19 09:41:12 more impressive was, that even though they were totally drunk in the even, everyone got up in the morning again Jul 19 09:41:35 it's those viking genes Jul 19 09:44:08 evening* Jul 19 09:44:22 getting interrupted by co-workes while chatting is anoying Jul 19 09:44:30 salut kfoltman Jul 19 09:45:58 good JIHAD KotH (is that a correct and approved use of JIHAD?) Jul 19 09:46:31 speaking of winter and booze: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/07/on-getting-drunk-in-antarctica/277793/ Jul 19 09:46:54 "Occasionally, they entertained themselves with daredevil stunts, like running from a 200-degree sauna to touch the South Pole while wearing nothing but shoes." Jul 19 09:46:54 kfoltman: i approve of that use of JIHAD Jul 19 09:47:32 speaking of getting drunk, I'm just perusing of some home-made kefir our teammate brought Jul 19 09:47:52 would probably need a large barrel of the stuff to get noticably drunk though Jul 19 09:48:49 mru: hmm... the southpole wouldnt be a good working place for me Jul 19 09:49:15 I doubt it ever rains there Jul 19 09:49:40 unlikely Jul 19 09:49:50 but you know my relation to alcohol Jul 19 09:50:04 and there would be a distinct lack of chocolate after the first week Jul 19 10:02:52 KotH: well, you'd need to establish a number of trade routes for essentials, sure Jul 19 10:04:08 kfoltman: that's the problem Jul 19 10:04:25 it's apparently mostly impossible to travel to/from the south pole during winter Jul 19 10:04:38 trebuchets wouldn't work? Jul 19 10:04:59 I suppose they could send supplies by ballistic missile Jul 19 10:05:17 penguin express Jul 19 10:09:22 kfoltman: temperatures below 15° are not good for chocolate Jul 19 10:09:25 It's basically a cost issue. Jul 19 10:09:35 It'd not be technically hard to open a route to the pole. Jul 19 10:09:39 kfoltman: so you'd have to heat it all the time Jul 19 10:09:42 Just murderously expensive. Jul 19 10:09:51 SpeedEvil: it is technically hard Jul 19 10:10:07 KotH: Not if you're willing to spend the money, and design the kit. Jul 19 10:10:08 SpeedEvil: temperatures way blow zero are not something that materials like Jul 19 10:10:25 as the article states, they don't dare land planes there during winter Jul 19 10:10:33 KotH: There are plenty of materials that work fine all the way to liquid helium temperatures. Jul 19 10:10:47 for fear of not being able to take off again Jul 19 10:10:51 No, you probably can't do it with stock un-heavily-modified planes. Jul 19 10:10:53 SpeedEvil: for special values of "fine" :) Jul 19 10:11:04 fine = are mechancially unaffected Jul 19 10:11:20 anyways... lunch time! Jul 19 10:21:16 disposable planes? :) Jul 19 10:36:18 make the plane from chocolate? Jul 19 10:39:22 fuel it with chocolate? might work, but such a waste... Jul 19 10:39:31 well, fuel it with Cadbury, no major loss that way Jul 19 10:39:55 I would have said hershys :-D Jul 19 10:40:16 same league Jul 19 10:40:22 never quite sure if that stuff is crude oil or chocolate Jul 19 10:40:42 crude oil tastes better Jul 19 10:49:26 XorA: I think they're closely related (cadbury and hersheys), cadbury manufacture some hersheys brands for ireland Jul 19 10:49:41 I wonder if cadbury also exploit student labour Jul 19 10:52:55 kfoltman: Cadburies were famous for their slave labour camp known as Bourneville Jul 19 10:58:48 XorA: well, a "company town" sounds kind of grim to me Jul 19 11:00:03 * mru pictures a bond villain with minions in jumpsuits Jul 19 11:00:56 not sure how crap chocolate fits into the plan for world domination Jul 19 11:01:11 crap chocolate is opium for the masses, or something Jul 19 11:03:32 mrpackethead (and other BCC people): those C0603C104M4RACTU caps in the BCC, can I use any 0603 16V+ X7R 0.1uF <=20% caps instead, like this one? http://ie.farnell.com/avx/06033c104kaz2a/cap-mlcc-0-1uf-25v-x7r-10-0603/dp/1833840 Jul 19 11:04:12 kfoltman: those shoudl be fine Jul 19 11:04:18 mrpackethead: ok, thanks! Jul 19 11:04:40 the 100nF caps are bypass caps on the power supply pins Jul 19 11:04:47 i'm probalby using 50V ones Jul 19 11:04:52 but 25V will be fine Jul 19 11:05:00 if you ahve osme Jul 19 11:05:01 use them Jul 19 11:05:05 if you are buying them Jul 19 11:05:07 get 50V ones Jul 19 11:06:54 mrpackethead: http://ie.farnell.com/kemet/c0603c104k5rac-auto/capacitor-mlcc-0-1uf-50v-10-0603/dp/2070398 like this? or are kemet ones bad? Jul 19 11:07:30 those woudl be fine Jul 19 11:07:43 they seem veyr expensive Jul 19 11:07:46 and 50V why, more versatile for other uses or? Jul 19 11:07:51 yup Jul 19 11:09:28 http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/C1608X7R1H104K080AA/445-1314-2-ND/513811 Jul 19 11:09:47 reel of 4000, is $36.00 Jul 19 11:10:22 I have no use for 4000, 100 is probably the most I can ever use :) Jul 19 11:10:28 lol. Jul 19 11:10:41 famous last words? Jul 19 11:46:37 mrpackethead: do you get provisions from sold capacitors? :) Jul 19 11:46:52 huh. Jul 19 11:47:05 provisions? Jul 19 11:47:19 comission Jul 19 11:47:44 oh.. yes, i own all the capactitor factorys int eh wold Jul 19 11:47:45 er.. yes Jul 19 11:47:46 world. Jul 19 11:47:53 too much german in my english glands Jul 19 11:48:12 provisions to me, would be "butter, cheese, beer, bread " Jul 19 11:48:19 and probalby chocolate Jul 19 11:49:20 yeah.. Jul 19 11:49:36 the german "provision" is not the same as the english "provisions" Jul 19 11:49:55 a shame that the US didnt adapt german when they could Jul 19 11:50:08 on the other hand, seen what they've done to english, it's maybe for the best Jul 19 11:50:28 seeing* Jul 19 11:54:17 also we dshermanz are gettink bak at zem wiz aur aggzenz Jul 19 11:55:35 take ova ze wörld Jul 19 11:55:37 commission Jul 19 11:55:53 I think that's the English word for being paid for getting the items sold, right? Jul 19 11:56:28 dm8tbr: though it could be that germany will become the western turkish empire before the germans reach their goal Jul 19 11:57:02 But, perhaps mrpackethead thought I'll have to destroy 3900+ capacitors before assembling the BCC - and he's probably right. Jul 19 11:57:24 *I'd Jul 19 11:57:28 KotH: you have no idea how hard it is not to make a non-pc friday joke at that... Jul 19 11:57:59 dm8tbr: pc? Jul 19 11:58:12 dm8tbr: whatever pc is, i dont mind :) Jul 19 11:58:41 kfoltman: frying ceramic capacitors is pretty hard Jul 19 11:58:56 kfoltman: though, some require some backing before being used, to reach the ful capacitance Jul 19 11:59:11 baking? Jul 19 11:59:15 yeah Jul 19 11:59:40 they need the heat of the soldering process for some reason, or they will have a too low capacitance Jul 19 11:59:43 even if the cap sticks to the iron tip and remains there for 30 seconds? Jul 19 11:59:56 i buy 100nF 0603 caps 40,000 at a time Jul 19 11:59:57 we're talking this level of clumsiness :/ Jul 19 12:00:07 kfoltman: i've seen worse Jul 19 12:00:16 mrpackethead: well, you're doing Paid Stuff with good results Jul 19 12:00:26 kfoltman: remember, i was at the eidgenössische theoretische hochschule and have seen my fellow students solder stuff Jul 19 12:00:44 KotH: good point :) Jul 19 12:00:55 we have some interesting rules about reel stocking Jul 19 12:01:20 once there are less than about $5.00 of parts on the reel Jul 19 12:01:25 is it worth keeping Jul 19 12:01:45 * KotH hands mrpackethead a "not" Jul 19 12:02:05 KotH: I'm sure germany will find a solution for that. Jul 19 12:02:10 or 'the germans' Jul 19 12:02:23 zee germans Jul 19 12:02:34 KotH: so, when you put a reelk of 4.7k resistor on the machine Jul 19 12:02:39 dm8tbr: a solution that doesn't require any more solutions? Jul 19 12:02:42 :P Jul 19 12:02:44 which are worth $11.00 a reel Jul 19 12:02:54 are the valuable enough to keep the entire reel? Jul 19 12:03:18 mrpackethead: this machine has no brain, please use your own ;) Jul 19 12:03:29 ha ha Jul 19 12:03:33 if available Jul 19 12:03:45 mrpackethead: if it's afterwards still more than 500-1000 on the reel, i'd say yes Jul 19 12:03:47 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/46 Jul 19 12:03:58 if i had a spare PNP machine for prototyping Jul 19 12:04:15 kfoltman: I said the joke would be politically incorrect Jul 19 12:04:30 mrpackethead: why dont you expand to an assembly company? Jul 19 12:04:42 * dm8tbr gets to make jokes about everyone and every nation. comes with having multiple citizenships and living in a third country ;) Jul 19 12:04:43 mrpackethead: then you could have an excuse to buy all those machines for fun and pleasure Jul 19 12:04:57 dm8tbr: that's why I've tried to at least not put it all on the plate Jul 19 12:05:05 KotH: you can buy a 2nd hand machien for not so much these days Jul 19 12:05:10 but the maintaince on them is high Jul 19 12:05:15 and feeders are not cheap Jul 19 12:05:23 dm8tbr: really? I should try it some time... Jul 19 12:06:02 it woudl be nice to ahve a machine with 80 or so, "base" components Jul 19 12:06:11 i could leave reels on them Jul 19 12:06:16 mrpackethead: so something "mid" sized :) Jul 19 12:06:28 theres some low volume, high mix machiens about Jul 19 12:06:52 * KotH could use some murphy type of guy right now Jul 19 12:06:54 mrpackethead: hmmm... yes, that sounds like it calls for a specialized equipment, just for prototyping Jul 19 12:07:11 KotH: I've heard there's plenty of emigration from Ireland :P Jul 19 12:07:13 compromise is a manual pnp Jul 19 12:07:18 kfoltman: you'd laugh, but we use companies who have these machines for prototyping Jul 19 12:07:20 no shortage of Murphys Jul 19 12:07:30 KotH: I certainly wouldn't laugh Jul 19 12:07:42 kfoltman: not a ginger, a real engineer who sees what could possible go wrong Jul 19 12:07:51 * KotH is currently doing risk analysis for a medical project Jul 19 12:08:09 I have one of these Jul 19 12:08:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHg7FIN2g4o Jul 19 12:08:23 KotH: if it's for medical, just build 10k of them and count the casualties :P Jul 19 12:08:49 KotH: there was a discussion yesterday in ##electronics about various awfully careless past and current behaviours of the medical profession Jul 19 12:10:01 ugh. don't get me started on the medical profession... too many bad experiences Jul 19 12:10:22 mrpackethead: hey, this looks neat! Jul 19 12:10:33 Yup, they are great. Jul 19 12:10:41 way quicker than a pair of tweezer Jul 19 12:10:49 kfoltman: well, the certification body wants a risk analysis before we can try them on "volunteers" :) Jul 19 12:10:50 thouhg i dont' often dab solder on Jul 19 12:11:10 KotH: take them for lunch or something Jul 19 12:11:10 i normally will cut a stencil on the laser cutter in mylar Jul 19 12:11:17 and stencil it on Jul 19 12:11:25 the dabbing thing is pretty slwo Jul 19 12:11:37 kfoltman: we are not in the EU ;) Jul 19 12:11:44 mrpackethead: even for single-run prototypes? Jul 19 12:11:52 yup Jul 19 12:11:53 well, single-item Jul 19 12:12:08 only takes a few minutes to cut in plastic Jul 19 12:13:01 they make one of these though Jul 19 12:13:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db2V92zB3KY&feature=player_embedded Jul 19 12:13:04 mrpackethead: ok, so you apply the paste, place the components using that manual thingie, and then what, hand-solder? reflow? Jul 19 12:13:22 reflow Jul 19 12:14:56 i have a small reflow oven on the bench Jul 19 12:16:17 sounds very efficient overall :) Jul 19 12:16:30 mrpackethead: btw: how do you handle your paste? do you use enough that it doesnt dry? Jul 19 12:16:57 KotH: i am fortuante that i have good relationship with my assembly company Jul 19 12:17:12 i stell a little bit from them periodically Jul 19 12:17:23 when i need it Jul 19 12:17:25 however.. Jul 19 12:17:44 there are pastes that have very good shelf life Jul 19 12:18:10 http://www.zeph.com/zephpaste.htm Jul 19 12:18:14 these guys are very good Jul 19 12:20:26 mrpackethead: we thought about doing our own single run boards, but if we have dfn & co, soldering them by hand becomes a pita. using a hand dispenser for paste is usually less reliable than soldering by hand Jul 19 12:20:44 mrpackethead: but we need only once every couple of months... maybe 2-3 times a year Jul 19 12:21:08 dfn :S Jul 19 12:21:55 how can you even solder than by hand Jul 19 12:22:24 SPE-0012 One 10cc Syringe Filled w/ 12 Grams $15.49. SPE-2PAK Two 10cc Syringes: $38.87 *BRAIN EXPLODES* Jul 19 12:22:45 I _strongly_ recommend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdGSFc7VjBE - Jul 19 12:22:45 Some random hints for quick hand SMD assembly Jul 19 12:23:02 For semi-production stuff for say ten or twenty boards. Jul 19 12:26:58 kfoltman: a very fine tip, fine solder and good eyes (aka a binocular) :) Jul 19 12:27:20 kfoltman: dfn/qfn are not that difficult mostly, LGA is more a PITA Jul 19 12:27:39 kfoltman: because LGA pads are slightly burried which makes them very hard to get to Jul 19 12:30:47 LGA? how would you get to the inner pads? Jul 19 12:30:58 not all LGA have inner pads :) Jul 19 12:31:25 so you're talking about the case which looks like a recessed version of QFN? Jul 19 12:31:54 yes Jul 19 12:32:10 recessed in two dimensions Jul 19 12:32:35 they dont touch the outer boundary of the chip case, and at the same time are slightly insight the chip body Jul 19 12:32:50 just 0.05mm or so Jul 19 12:35:01 Solder paste works. Stencils are cheap. Or even just vacuum dispensing. Jul 19 12:35:03 KotH: a simple syringe and $100 dispenser ( from ebay ) does a great job Jul 19 12:35:22 mrpackethead: we have that.. doesnt work that great Jul 19 12:35:42 mrpackethead: at least quality vs cost (time) is not good Jul 19 12:35:56 KotH: spend some more time getting it right then Jul 19 12:36:00 KotH: azonenberg in ##electronics does BGA at home, but he uses some IR reflow station, might be rather expensive Jul 19 12:36:03 :-) Jul 19 12:36:19 He uses a toaster oven Jul 19 12:36:20 IIRC Jul 19 12:36:34 kfoltman: i know a guy who does BGA and FBGA by hand, with a hot air gun... and doesnt have more than 5min for one Jul 19 12:36:59 kfoltman: actually, he is faster thane me soldering a damn 0603 resistor ^^' Jul 19 12:37:00 KotH: extreme sports :-) Jul 19 12:37:18 it won't kill YOU but it might kill the BGA Jul 19 12:37:33 kfoltman: nope, quite to the contrary Jul 19 12:37:40 KotH: my good workshop tech, can put 800 part down per hour Jul 19 12:37:46 with the dima and paste Jul 19 12:38:01 and you'd struggle to see the differnece beytween his work and a machine placed one. Jul 19 12:38:14 kfoltman: when our assembly company messed up a batch of 1000 pin bgas, they asked us whether we could rework them ourselves, because they didnt have a rework station and they knew that guy was working with us :) Jul 19 12:38:32 kfoltman: and out of 5 boards he did, every one worked Jul 19 12:38:34 KotH: how large was that batch? :O Jul 19 12:38:36 oh, 5 Jul 19 12:38:37 still Jul 19 12:38:41 kfoltman: 20 boards, none worked Jul 19 12:39:18 mrpackethead: yeah, there are great guys like that. hard to find though Jul 19 12:39:30 yup. hes great at that Jul 19 12:39:41 sadly, hes got some other faults. Jul 19 12:39:48 mrpackethead: our old soldering slave quit a year ago and whe had to get a new one. the new one is worse at soldering than i am... much worse Jul 19 12:40:19 mrpackethead: i hope no serious faults? Jul 19 12:40:32 not technical or work quality ones. Jul 19 12:40:45 rare talents often come at cost :/ Jul 19 12:44:04 kfoltman: that's quite wrong Jul 19 12:44:33 http://www.dimagrp.com/smt-systems/products/pick-place-systems/modulo-mp-100 <-- wondering what this is worth Jul 19 12:44:42 kfoltman: to have rare talents you have to have spend a lot of time doing what you do, that doesnt necessarily mean you have some deficits Jul 19 12:45:22 kfoltman: but it's true that people with autism spectrum disorders often spend a lot of time doing one thing only and thus become very good at it. and these stick out as those "genius with problems" types Jul 19 12:45:55 KotH: absolutely Jul 19 12:46:12 we have soem freinds who have an autistic boy whos 8 Jul 19 12:46:19 he is "train" mad Jul 19 12:46:37 mrpackethead: make sure the pnp can put parts at arbitrary angles. you'll need that :) Jul 19 12:46:38 he knows the entire train timetable Jul 19 12:46:54 every stop, every train Jul 19 12:47:10 he knows all the train id numbers Jul 19 12:47:13 what class's they are Jul 19 12:47:14 there was a little autistic lad on Channel 4 recently who was train mad, made me laugh, he was quite the character Jul 19 12:47:16 4etc etc Jul 19 12:47:43 mrpackethead: I knew a guy like that (though he was grown-up) Jul 19 12:47:44 and will tell you about all the difernet histric classes of trains Jul 19 12:47:59 KotH: is a chocolate expert. i woinder if... Jul 19 12:49:10 mrpackethead: meet me at ELCE, and see for yourself :) Jul 19 12:57:30 which reminds me.. i need to go and buy chocolate today! Jul 19 13:00:33 KotH seems to be contender to challenge my wife's #1 chocoholic status Jul 19 13:01:20 georgem: contender? Jul 19 13:01:39 georgem: talk to someone who has met me :) Jul 19 13:03:30 KotH: Do keep over a pound of chocolate next to your bed in case you wake up in the middle of the night craving chocolate? heh Jul 19 13:04:44 georgem: i'm known to eat up to 1kg of chocolate a day... over weeks... while eating "normally" Jul 19 13:04:52 georgem: don't give me ideas! Jul 19 13:05:04 She probably would too, but I've ben choc blocking her recently. Jul 19 13:05:07 been* Jul 19 13:05:17 georgem: oh.. and i lost weight doing that :) Jul 19 13:06:07 KotH: yeah, she has no weight problems. I just was convinced it was a health hazard. Jul 19 13:06:55 small question to the native english here: is "... and would effect accelerated aging of the components" correct english? Jul 19 13:07:06 (where ... is a cause) Jul 19 13:08:47 I'm not native English speaker, but would cause accelerated aging? (or, would affect, but that effectively means positively or negatively) Jul 19 13:08:50 * dm8tbr isn't native, but it's correct. I'd probably s/effect// s/accelerated/accelerate/ Jul 19 13:09:02 I can never get this shit right so you should ask for a second opion but. I think its' affect Jul 19 13:09:28 no affect would have a different meaning IMHO Jul 19 13:09:56 thanks boys Jul 19 13:10:02 the version with 'effect' sounds more formal Jul 19 13:10:12 but mru to the rescue, he should be able to confirm Jul 19 13:10:25 this is for a formal document, so formal sounding stuff is good :) Jul 19 13:10:35 * dm8tbr guessed as much Jul 19 13:11:11 'effect' is correct here Jul 19 13:11:19 * georgem kicks himself Jul 19 13:11:28 effect is both a noun and a verb Jul 19 13:11:44 affect is a verb meaning 'to have an effect on' Jul 19 13:11:56 effect as a verb means 'to cause' Jul 19 13:12:27 georgem: don't worry, my first reaction was also 'hmm, shouldn't this be affect .......... no, doesn't sound likely like what he wants to say' Jul 19 13:12:27 http://xkcd.com/326/ Jul 19 13:13:11 mhrhrhr Jul 19 13:14:02 this becomes a problem if you are supposed to write something that other people understand properly, especially if they are not native speakers... Jul 19 13:14:09 * KotH tips his hat to the master of english language Jul 19 13:14:25 pet peeve - "X has no affect on anything" (and we're not talking about X not being able to smile) Jul 19 13:14:28 I always had trouble with detailed grammar and punctuation in school even though my reading comprehension and writing skills were excellent. Jul 19 13:15:12 kfoltman: most definately (sic!) *snicker* *duck* *run* Jul 19 13:15:31 mru: English isn't even your native language, correct? Jul 19 13:15:41 https://xkcd.com/1238/ Jul 19 13:15:42 dm8tbr: yeah.. like a guy who has been insting on using "actual" where "current" would be the right word, because "non-native speaker would not understand it" Jul 19 13:16:07 georgem: it is, though I did not grow up in an english-speaking country Jul 19 13:16:18 KotH: in EE that might lead to misunderstandings... Jul 19 13:16:36 KotH: sounds like a typical german (or swedish) mistake Jul 19 13:16:45 dm8tbr: nah.. guy was just a "german prick" thinking "aktuel" -> "actual" Jul 19 13:16:56 mru: or Polish Jul 19 13:17:07 mru: aktualnie::pl = currently::en Jul 19 13:17:31 but yes, we steal everything from Germans, including laws and words :P Jul 19 13:18:36 kfoltman: the germans invented bureaucracy, but we perfected it... Jul 19 13:19:10 or perverted, depending on your point of view Jul 19 13:19:44 well, the german bureaucracy (mostly) works :P Jul 19 13:19:59 KotH: I've met many non English native Europeans that have better grasp on detailed English grammar than I do. I suspect that learning 3 or 4 languages at an early age (before brain development slows done) has something to do with it. Jul 19 13:20:11 down* Jul 19 13:21:07 georgem: the effect is the strongest if a child grows up at least bi-lingual, then also in later years learning new languages is fairly easy Jul 19 13:21:23 georgem: 1) brain development never slows down, it just becomes different Jul 19 13:21:41 yes, it goes backwards Jul 19 13:21:50 georgem: 2) it's not a matter of how many languages you know (although there is the (unproven) theory that there is an upper limit of ~10 languages one can properly learn) Jul 19 13:21:56 dm8tbr: Yes. I see this with my wife. Who spoke English in the home and went to school in French. Jul 19 13:22:49 georgem: 3) most schools in western and nothern european countires have native speakers as language teachers, or require that you have lived a couple of years in a native speaking environment to be allowed tho teach Jul 19 13:23:02 georgem: 4) combine that with a well planed gramatical cirriculum Jul 19 13:26:35 KotH: Yes, my sister had native French and Japanese teachers and she picked both languages up quite well. I had a non native Spanish teacher for a while and learned very little and had a native Spanish teacher for one semester and actually learned quite a lot. Jul 19 13:29:31 KotH: I'ts fun quand l'on peut parler viele Sprachen Jul 19 13:30:49 ant_work: ãƒãƒ³ãƒ—ンカンプン Jul 19 13:30:52 KotH: but really, turkish (and ugro-finnic languages) are rather hard for us born in wes EU Jul 19 13:31:17 ant_work: that's why i'm a turkish navtive :) Jul 19 13:31:23 ant_work: and the slavic ones Jul 19 13:31:37 and the east asian ones, whatever their classification Jul 19 13:32:04 mru: well.. the slavic..yea (my wife is polish) Jul 19 13:32:16 * KotH thinks that japanese is rather easy to learn Jul 19 13:32:19 * dm8tbr has a nice mix going there Jul 19 13:33:02 native de_DE, pl_PL and fluent en and understands fi_FI and some other stuff Jul 19 13:33:05 * ant_work will keep the hard languages of East for his son to learn ;) Jul 19 13:34:05 I miraculously passed the russian class I once took Jul 19 13:35:46 mru: i miraculously graduated from highschool, while getting 1's (lowest grade) in french, for 4 years straight Jul 19 13:36:06 having problem with default BB sd-card. Trying "opkg update && opkg upgrade", but.. out of memory Jul 19 13:36:07 I had the highest grades in german Jul 19 13:36:14 KotH: and you know what that actually means Jul 19 13:36:38 mru: hmm? Jul 19 13:36:46 mru: no? Jul 19 13:36:55 you've heard me attempt to speak it Jul 19 13:37:00 bluen dusten Jul 19 13:37:06 mru: wasnt too shaby Jul 19 13:37:17 mru: i know swiss who have a worse german than you Jul 19 13:37:32 mru: mostly often the type wo also call me "a filthy foreigner" Jul 19 13:37:49 mru: err. correcetion: they call me "a muslim pig" these days Jul 19 13:38:52 jag är svensk, och tycker muslimer är ett pack.. isynnerhet deras kvinnor i tält Jul 19 13:39:30 phoohb: watch your language! Jul 19 13:39:39 I wanto install vnc, guess i need an updated system, to install it. BUT cant.. Jul 19 13:39:47 phoohb: i might not be sweedish, but i understand it Jul 19 13:40:01 KotH: oh, sorry then.... Jul 19 13:40:22 phoohb: i take it as a bad joke then... Jul 19 13:51:20 phoohb: so do 'opkg update ; opkg install angstrom-x11vnc-xinit' Jul 19 13:51:53 15:42 < nats`> let's do something intelligent and stop thinking for 2 hours Jul 19 13:52:18 koen: tmp dir get full, need to set an option.. will test afew things brb Jul 19 13:53:11 .o0(air is getting too dry, i can hear the sparks in my ear plugs) Jul 19 13:54:00 (only 125M in tmp, thats why) Jul 19 14:55:16 hi Jul 19 14:56:14 can anyone tell which version of opencv i can use Beagleboard-xM Rev. C (BB-xM)? Jul 19 14:57:50 g'morning Jul 19 15:02:36 Can anyone here answer a question formatting the Micro SD for the beaglebone black? Jul 19 15:03:23 I formatted using both the android image AND the beaglesnes image and each time it leaves unallocated space on the card that I cannot use. Can i format that into more storage space? Jul 19 15:04:28 fdisk, mkfs, or parted.. why not copy the image (dd)? Jul 19 15:06:12 Copy the image where? I have the stock OS on the EMMC and the beaglesnes on the SD card. im afraid if i try and format it I'll ruin the partition as is Jul 19 15:06:42 basically i was looking to add space to the beaglesnes partition so I can store more roms on it Jul 19 15:07:30 sure, just resize it with the tool of choice Jul 19 15:07:43 gparted, parted, fdisk+resize2fs, ... Jul 19 15:07:45 Can I use parted magic to do it? Jul 19 15:08:15 I don't see why not Jul 19 15:08:43 so i should resize the partition with the home folder into the unallocated space? will that allow it access? Jul 19 15:09:03 I'm just not sure how beagle/beagesnes will react. Jul 19 15:09:39 as long as you don't touch the FAT partition, it should just workâ„¢ Jul 19 15:10:34 Sweet. Is it possible to dual boot the SD card and the EMMC? Or do I need to just pull the SD before power up each time? Jul 19 15:13:22 LOL. Just formatted and resized into the unallocated space... It worked, but now it says its using 6.28gb and has 1.18gb free. Ironic, because it had 1.18gb before too Jul 19 15:14:23 So basically the whole "free" bit is gone, and it's just dead space. Perfect! Jul 19 15:17:35 Hi, im brand new with the beagle Jul 19 15:17:49 hi Jul 19 15:18:20 Guest58070: have you resized the filesystem itself as well? Jul 19 15:18:44 Guest58070: resizing the partition is only step #1 of n Jul 19 15:20:07 and i dont know how to program in the terminal with anstromg os Jul 19 15:20:33 some one can explain me what is the list of command Jul 19 15:20:34 Timarius_: then learn it? Jul 19 15:20:54 yes i want to learn but dont find any example Jul 19 15:21:05 all what i find is about the beagle bone Jul 19 15:21:22 and i have is a beagleboard xm rev c Jul 19 15:21:30 Timarius_: you run a linux on your bbb, look for any good linux beginners book Jul 19 15:21:31 Timarius_: the rest will follow Jul 19 15:21:55 so you suggest me to install ubuntu Jul 19 15:21:57 in my beagle Jul 19 15:22:07 lol Jul 19 15:22:08 no Jul 19 15:22:09 i dont Jul 19 15:22:16 angström is as much a linux as ubuntu is Jul 19 15:22:25 ubuntu is just one of many linux distributions Jul 19 15:22:31 <_troll_> barely Jul 19 15:22:32 and probably not well suited for the bbxm Jul 19 15:23:06 .o0(this channel needs more _troll_) Jul 19 15:23:22 But when i test for example Jul 19 15:23:37 sudo shutdown on the terminal, that simply dont works Jul 19 15:23:50 and thats an linux command Jul 19 15:23:54 do you know what "sudo shutdown" does? Jul 19 15:23:55 so i dont understand Jul 19 15:24:06 sudo is for the super user Jul 19 15:24:07 do you know what "sudo" and "shutdown" mean? Jul 19 15:24:18 and shutdown is like turn off the pc Jul 19 15:24:23 and... have you read the error mesage? Jul 19 15:24:39 i dont remmeber the message Jul 19 15:24:49 but is something like the command doesnt exist Jul 19 15:24:52 but not sure Jul 19 15:25:56 you do understand that "sudo" is a command to run things as root while you are logged in as a mere mortal user? Jul 19 15:26:08 if this is new to you, get a book on linux Jul 19 15:26:23 do you mean that Jul 19 15:26:30 reading a linux book Jul 19 15:26:34 yes Jul 19 15:26:36 will be enough Jul 19 15:26:42 ok Jul 19 15:26:43 no, you have to understand it too ;-) Jul 19 15:26:45 but Jul 19 15:26:59 jaja Jul 19 15:27:04 off course my friend Jul 19 15:27:10 was heisst hier ja ja? Jul 19 15:27:15 ;) Jul 19 15:27:25 laught Jul 19 15:27:51 what about the ports management Jul 19 15:27:52 well, you have to understand linux quite well to be successfull with embedded linux Jul 19 15:27:55 do you have a link Jul 19 15:27:58 you will be exposed to a lot of lowlevel stuff Jul 19 15:28:00 or information Jul 19 15:28:18 if you dont have a good foundation of the basics, there will be lots of pain at every step you take Jul 19 15:28:32 what do you mean by "ports"? Jul 19 15:28:40 gpio? spi/i2c and the like? Jul 19 15:28:46 right Jul 19 15:28:53 which one of those? :) Jul 19 15:29:17 well how to addres information from the beagle to outside of her Jul 19 15:29:24 oh.. Jul 19 15:29:25 not in specific Jul 19 15:29:33 for example turnning on a led Jul 19 15:29:34 get the "linux embedded primer" Jul 19 15:29:40 that explains these things Jul 19 15:29:54 <_troll_> embezzled linux Jul 19 15:30:53 another question Jul 19 15:31:04 the heat in the processor Jul 19 15:31:08 im afraid about it Jul 19 15:31:19 how much you run the beagle without stop Jul 19 15:31:44 <_troll_> what makes you think it would overheat? Jul 19 15:32:26 because normally Jul 19 15:32:38 the microprocessors Jul 19 15:32:52 have any heat dissipator Jul 19 15:33:06 it does not need one Jul 19 15:33:26 it's not an intel processor ;) Jul 19 15:33:29 Any idea how to reclaim that space if the resizing went bonkers on my MicroSD? Love to have that 4gb back... haha Jul 19 15:33:48 <_troll_> there are arm chips you most definitely want a heatsink on Jul 19 15:34:08 but do you have one? Jul 19 15:34:09 _troll_: juup, but they are not on the bbxm Jul 19 15:34:22 well Jul 19 15:34:27 _troll_: and is it your intention to confuse a n00b? :) Jul 19 15:34:28 the command for turning off Jul 19 15:34:32 the beagle Jul 19 15:34:33 is Jul 19 15:34:35 power off? Jul 19 15:34:44 dunno Jul 19 15:34:50 i dont use angström Jul 19 15:34:51 so Jul 19 15:35:00 su to root Jul 19 15:35:02 try it Jul 19 15:35:11 <_troll_> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/196 Jul 19 15:35:40 if it works, it's the one you want to use Jul 19 15:35:47 hey! Jul 19 15:35:53 uhmm Jul 19 15:35:57 i dont get it Jul 19 15:36:00 su to root Jul 19 15:36:01 _troll_: hehe.. i saw that one comming :) Jul 19 15:36:08 ka6sox: it's not copyrighted! Jul 19 15:36:08 you mean Jul 19 15:36:19 Timarius_: get a book with linux basics Jul 19 15:36:32 your local library will have one or two Jul 19 15:36:42 * KotH recommends the one by michael koffler Jul 19 15:36:43 I see we are "on the mark" today Jul 19 15:37:12 _troll_ Jul 19 15:37:16 what do you mean Jul 19 15:37:29 i saw that one coming Jul 19 15:37:48 _troll_: you were successful :) Jul 19 15:38:07 ? Jul 19 15:38:20 Timarius_: exactly that! :-D Jul 19 15:38:34 exactly what Jul 19 15:38:45 your confusion Jul 19 15:38:45 * gui_ just observes and laughs Jul 19 15:38:46 confuception Jul 19 15:39:17 Hey just an thanks, I did a simple unmount and a checkdisk and all the space that was on that SD card that formatted into a black hole, came back. Jul 19 15:39:53 So instead of a 4gb hole in the SD card reading as 1.18gb, its now reading as 5.26! woot! thanks guys Jul 19 15:40:32 Guest58070: please send 1kg of good swiss chocolate to ka6sox's wife as payment Jul 19 15:40:42 hehe Jul 19 15:42:18 KotH, Thanks! Jul 19 15:42:33 ka6sox: np. always trying to make the world a better place Jul 19 15:42:44 Guest58070, send to 679 S. state street, Pacific Plate Jul 19 15:43:24 * mdp converts 1kg to Amuricun, has a rounding error, and sends the wrong amount...upsetting mrs ka6sox Jul 19 15:44:27 KotH, unfortunately mrs ka6sox and I will NOT be coming to ELCE....we were OBE Jul 19 15:44:28 mdp: as long as the rounding error is into the "right" direction ;) Jul 19 15:44:47 ka6sox, whuh?!? Jul 19 15:45:08 Overtaken By Events Jul 19 15:45:23 prpplague has been claiming that ELCE will be an attendance bust Jul 19 15:45:38 ka6sox: OBE? Jul 19 15:45:38 ka6sox: ???? Jul 19 15:45:38 ka6sox: anything serious? Jul 19 15:45:42 What do you define as "Good swiss chocolate"? Lindt? Toblerone? Jul 19 15:45:54 1kg... Thats a heafy serving. Jul 19 15:46:02 Guest58070: ugh.. definitly not toblereone! Jul 19 15:46:09 Guest58070: i'm talking about teuscher, or läderach Jul 19 15:46:24 hehe Jul 19 15:47:04 Good lord those are some expensive chocolates. Jul 19 15:47:12 KotH, no, it just means too many things before/after it that cause it to be not the right time (although she wanted a 20th anniversary trip and this was to be it) Jul 19 15:47:20 KotH, :) Jul 19 15:47:20 Guest58070, imo Lindt is the minimum you should consider Jul 19 15:47:22 Guest58070: not really.. that's the usual stuff i take with me when i go anywhere Jul 19 15:47:32 ka6sox: meh.. Jul 19 15:47:37 KotH, at least I can't crash a satellite or equivalent with this rounding error ;) Jul 19 15:47:41 ka6sox: tell her that she is going to miss some good chocolate :) Jul 19 15:48:06 belgium chocolate should always be considered aswell Jul 19 15:48:15 NO! Jul 19 15:48:19 KotH, ya, we were lookign forward to this Jul 19 15:48:37 gui_: pralines, maybe, if you are desperate. but not their chocolate Jul 19 15:48:54 KotH, it doesn't help that I can get to Bora Bora cheaper than Edinburgh. Jul 19 15:49:01 lol Jul 19 15:49:12 ka6sox: come to .ch, i'll treat you with some chocolate overhere Jul 19 15:49:42 what's pralines? Jul 19 15:49:46 KotH, the problem is that I am *already* on the Pacific plate. Jul 19 15:49:57 sugar coated pecans? Jul 19 15:50:13 ka6sox: i will probably be in japan next year, you can meet me there :) Jul 19 15:50:32 okay I'd love to go there. Jul 19 15:50:43 you're saying belgium chocolate aint good? Jul 19 15:50:54 <_troll_> he does Jul 19 15:50:58 gui_: german choclate is better Jul 19 15:51:40 KotH, so you are saying the further east you go the better the chocolate? Jul 19 15:51:57 ka6sox: uhmm... no Jul 19 15:52:14 ka6sox: the further in direction of .ch you go, the better the chocolate Jul 19 15:52:19 even because if you go too far, you come back to the same place Jul 19 15:52:34 anyways.. Jul 19 15:52:35 gtg Jul 19 15:52:42 Beer:30? Jul 19 15:52:43 need to buy a kg or two of chocolate Jul 19 15:52:54 just 2? Jul 19 15:52:56 KotH, can you share a google map with a pushpin showing me the optimum location of the best chocolate? Jul 19 15:52:58 Chocolate Beer... Jul 19 15:53:01 in Brazil we have 5kg bars Jul 19 15:53:10 mdp: there aint one optimum location Jul 19 15:53:15 KotH, I need to know for whenever we do the full family .eu vacation Jul 19 15:53:19 mdp: there are quite a few good swiss chocolatiers Jul 19 15:53:26 mdp: spread over the whole country Jul 19 15:53:30 KotH, whuh? you mean there's no one correct answer? Jul 19 15:53:33 ;) Jul 19 15:53:38 shades of gray! Jul 19 15:53:45 mdp: come to .ch and you will have chocolate Jul 19 15:53:46 :) Jul 19 15:53:47 I need #exactlocations Jul 19 15:53:49 50 shades? Jul 19 15:53:51 there we go Jul 19 15:53:54 ka6sox, +1 Jul 19 15:54:13 come to .ch and i will lead you to chocolate ;) Jul 19 15:54:17 mdp, to pinpoint a locations (mentally), it is a cabin in the austrian alps, having fondue with swiss chocolate Jul 19 15:54:28 .ch stands for chocolate? :P Jul 19 15:54:31 panto, mrs mdp has insisted that as nice as you are, I must take her elsewhere next time ;) Jul 19 15:54:33 what a waste of good chocolate Jul 19 15:55:08 gui_, mmm..and I'm imagining a burnt orange color 1970s style .usian fondue pot in this commercial ;) Jul 19 15:55:15 mdp, :) Jul 19 15:55:41 mdp, isnt' that caramel? Jul 19 15:55:58 mdp, not sure about 70's, but definitely some rustic place Jul 19 15:56:12 #beagle is especially FRIDAY! today.. Jul 19 15:57:12 now all I want to do is go home and devour my last Lindt bar :( Jul 19 15:57:26 instead, I have to work 6+ hours Jul 19 15:57:35 * ka6sox hides his last lindt bar from his wife Jul 19 15:57:37 <_troll_> work is overrated Jul 19 15:57:45 i know... Jul 19 15:57:55 http://www.sheknows.com/home-and-gardening/articles/954005/etsy-roundup-retro-kitchen-decor Jul 19 15:57:55 but I need money, and I don't want to sell my body Jul 19 15:58:19 the "retro orange fondue set" is exactly what I grew up with and mom still has in the box at their house ;) Jul 19 15:59:00 Anybody here work with the DVI-D/Audio board for the Beaglebone? Jul 19 15:59:01 * ka6sox has bad memories of this fondue set... Jul 19 15:59:02 #exactfonduepot Jul 19 15:59:06 uh oh Jul 19 15:59:35 this is the one that uses STERNO for fuel right? Jul 19 15:59:55 ka6sox, yeah, that was high-tech for then Jul 19 16:00:26 okay, then it *is* the bad memory set... Jul 19 16:00:35 * ka6sox shudders Jul 19 16:00:54 ka6sox, that reminds me..at camp..new guy trying to be nice brings some antique sterno stove for our coffee pot Jul 19 16:01:22 to keep it luke warm? Jul 19 16:01:37 ka6sox, I had to show him modern camp technology of a butane/propane stove that actually gets you brewed in a sane amount of time Jul 19 16:01:42 exactly! Jul 19 16:01:43 <_troll_> maybe he hated coffee and wanted to make sure none was made Jul 19 16:01:50 _troll_, possibly ;) Jul 19 16:02:21 ka6sox, I told him, "thank you, but I want to introduce you to something that will have the pot brewed before 10am" ;) Jul 19 16:03:48 mdp, I'd have used my svea123 Jul 19 16:04:02 "747 blowtorch" Jul 19 16:04:25 yeah, I got to use somebody else's once Jul 19 16:04:56 http://www.thelocal.es/20130719/beer-competition-death Jul 19 16:05:07 its 45yrs old and *still* ticking Jul 19 16:06:00 ka6sox, we have 4 of these http://www.sotooutdoors.com/products/item/OD-1BS.html Jul 19 16:06:49 those are considerably lighter Jul 19 16:07:30 I've had contests with those and "smoked" them with the svea Jul 19 16:07:35 if we have a big group, we'll carry a propane burner too...too quickly boil huge pots of water Jul 19 16:07:48 <_troll_> panto: what kind of idiot participates in such a competition? Jul 19 16:07:59 yeah, we already had an investment this direction before I got involved with the group Jul 19 16:08:00 a thirsty one? Jul 19 16:08:12 <_troll_> people regularly die in such events Jul 19 16:08:17 <_troll_> doesn't have to be beer Jul 19 16:08:24 ka6sox, always good to unify stoves and types of fuel to carry Jul 19 16:08:24 <_troll_> water in such quantities will kill you too Jul 19 16:08:47 * _troll_ recommends witch-fuelled stoves Jul 19 16:08:55 I could see making that mistake with beer Jul 19 16:09:17 mdp, yes, in general I agree. Jul 19 16:10:02 I now have to plan the meals for 5days in Yosemite Jul 19 16:10:11 mmm Jul 19 16:10:37 you reminded me I have to advise on meals for a shorter localish backpacking trip Jul 19 16:10:50 last time I was involved the guys ended up with tuna Jul 19 16:10:57 I don't like tuna Jul 19 16:11:12 so do better this time :) Jul 19 16:11:30 my wife doesn't do camp meals...so I end up making the menu Jul 19 16:11:32 exactly, I told them I needed veto power on food Jul 19 16:11:49 otherwise they don't get my charming personality along Jul 19 16:11:54 hehe Jul 19 16:12:15 she did like Spaghetti with Meat Sauce and Filet Mignon... Jul 19 16:12:19 "you do your tuna stuff, and put a ribeye in dry ice for me, thank you" Jul 19 16:13:12 ka6sox, we have a running joke about one of the hardcore guys going to pack in a 14" dutch oven for 20 miles ;) Jul 19 16:13:22 for the cobbler Jul 19 16:13:53 yeah, they like my french toast casserole so I told him..you pack it in, I'll bring the ingredients and cook it Jul 19 16:14:32 *yum* Jul 19 16:17:02 <_troll_> you know, restaurants were invented for a reason... Jul 19 16:17:43 _troll_, none out in the John Muir Wilderness yet... Jul 19 16:19:03 <_troll_> then that's a good reason for not going there Jul 19 16:19:16 <_troll_> cities were invented for a reason too Jul 19 16:21:46 because some people can't hunt, fish and farm? Jul 19 16:22:36 heh Jul 19 16:22:39 friday! Jul 19 16:33:07 <_troll_> ~. Jul 19 16:33:34 <_troll_> wtf, the connection was still active in one direction Jul 19 16:34:28 anyhow, I think I managed to fix that damn psu Jul 19 16:42:32 french toast casserole? Jul 19 16:42:50 eeew Jul 19 16:42:52 * mranostay blood pressure rises from reading that Jul 19 16:54:17 Hi! Is someone free to give advice about starting off trying to make a network services appliance out of the beaglebone black? Jul 19 16:58:29 JFK911: what is a 'network services appliance' Jul 19 16:58:48 in general: install distro of least distrust, install packages, configure, ..., profitâ„¢ Jul 19 16:59:19 JFK911: define your problem better... You're too vague. What particular bits do you need help with? Jul 19 17:00:11 I don't trust Ubuntu yet, so I'm wondering if there is a usable alternative that's not too archaic and easy to build with packages Jul 19 17:00:24 I just want to run isc-dhcpd and bind Jul 19 17:00:41 I'm currently using debian, works well, but if you don't like ubuntu, i wouldn't see why you'd trust anything debian based Jul 19 17:01:12 ubuntu is not debian Jul 19 17:01:15 I didn't know that debian's available; that's better than ubuntu. Jul 19 17:01:45 angstrom has a more demanding learning curve, but is a good learning experience if you want to do embedded in general Jul 19 17:02:20 mranostay, a camping delight Jul 19 17:02:45 mru: I never said it "WAS" Debian. I was implying that he wouldn't like debian based if he doesn't like ubuntu, although, depending on the reasons Jul 19 17:03:02 dm8tbr: I was just reviewing angstrom, I think it's within my capabilities, so you think that's worth looking at? Jul 19 17:03:40 distrowatch.org - take your pick? Jul 19 17:04:10 JFK911: if you want to gain the embedded linux framework experience, yes Jul 19 17:04:33 there are ready images, not sure if dhcpd and bind are packaged though Jul 19 17:04:35 you could try barebox too Jul 19 17:04:37 :) Jul 19 17:04:41 Well I'm using openwrt on mips now Jul 19 17:04:46 ubuntu is not even _like_ debian Jul 19 17:05:15 they use the same package manager, that is all Jul 19 17:07:04 right, so exactly the same Jul 19 17:09:44 mru: They are nothing a like at all! http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/vim http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/vim Jul 19 17:10:03 mru: True point. Better question would've been why he disliked buntu, anyway Jul 19 17:10:42 I think ubuntu is a userland/desktop operating system. Jul 19 17:12:52 Well then in that case my point was moot, debian, angstrom, there's a lot of good ones Jul 19 17:12:53 I grew up with paid unix licenses with professional support, and on pc's, that experience has made me most comfortable with redhat Jul 19 17:13:09 I like debian because it's got mostly everything packaged, lots of docs, easy to work with Jul 19 17:14:43 Will I run into any hassles trying to avoid using the HDMI video while I'm getting started with the bone? Jul 19 17:17:56 JFK911: I think there is fedora arm too, that might work well enough on the BBB too Jul 19 17:18:44 JFK911: I don't use the HDMI on my bbb, infact I have it turned off. Jul 19 17:19:13 JFK911: then you'll want to get a 3.3V UART adaptor to interact with it. makes things easier. Jul 19 17:19:53 dm8tbr: thankyou Jul 19 17:21:46 -/part Jul 19 17:32:01 emeb: you around? Jul 19 17:51:25 <_SY_> hello Jul 19 17:54:34 hiya jmoyerman Jul 19 17:55:10 ka6sox: How's it going? Jul 19 17:55:27 better Jul 19 17:55:39 been a crazy couple of weeks Jul 19 17:55:58 Yeah. I can imagine that. Jul 19 17:56:00 sanity is overrated Jul 19 17:57:56 mranostay, yours is no longer in question Jul 19 17:58:05 ka6sox: His never was. Jul 19 17:58:12 stress is more of my concern Jul 19 17:58:37 jmoyerman, +1 Jul 19 17:58:49 georgem, I should have had 15 heart attacks by now. Jul 19 17:58:58 that is impossible Jul 19 17:59:27 yeah Jul 19 18:00:18 at least I haven't had to tell anyone in the middle of desert 4 hours from civilization that he just bricked his device. recently... Jul 19 18:00:54 georgem, I do that daily :P Jul 19 18:01:42 ka6sox: it causes enough of a shit storm that if it happened daily we wouldn't have any customers Jul 19 18:02:06 There's your problem.... allowing end users the power to brick devices. Jul 19 18:02:13 georgem, okay its the opposite way for me. Jul 19 18:02:33 usually they have killed their device (or failed on an upgrade) and I need to fix it Jul 19 18:02:51 anybody around handy with i2s or audio on the beaglebone? Jul 19 18:02:55 (black that is) Jul 19 18:03:32 jmoyerman: some times its not actually the device that is bricked, yet sometimes getting someone with a random windows laptop to get into u-boot reflash doesn't work in the field. Jul 19 18:03:51 pretty much never actually Jul 19 18:03:52 d'oh... I need more whiteboard space... Jul 19 18:10:28 I would sleep better at night if more embedded designs had ECC RAM. Jul 19 18:11:26 georgem: i think we all would Jul 19 18:11:52 ka6sox: I wrapped emeb's bcc_lib into an installable autoconf project, wonder if he'd like that feature in his repository Jul 19 18:16:02 I got ssh access to an communication gateway and need to put on a program that is 160MB. When I do DF I see a couple filesystems like ubi0>rootfs_1 ; ubi0:config_data ; devtmpfs ; tmpfs that are mounted. Can I connect the tmpfs filesystems? How would I do that? Maybe with a partition manager? Jul 19 18:18:20 jmoyerman, I'd ask him... Jul 19 18:19:48 ka6sox: going to whenever he comes around, or will just e-mail him. Jul 19 18:24:05 got a link to the changes? Jul 19 18:24:09 git someplace? Jul 19 18:24:23 Not yet. I need to push it up, things have been hectic here too... Jul 19 18:25:13 jmoyerman: I'm here Jul 19 18:25:57 sounds good. send me a pull req. Jul 19 18:28:09 You bet. I should have it over to you later today or tomorrow. I just got tired of compiling it, then installing it manually haha Jul 19 18:30:45 I cant start the "x11vnc" at my BB, how will a proper command look?? Jul 19 18:33:15 XOpenDisplay(":0") failed.. and an Xorg log said " no screens found... Jul 19 18:34:27 target is the gdm right??? Anybody here who tested VNC (remote desktop)??? Jul 19 18:35:42 ((any hint are welcome)) Jul 19 18:36:33 phoohb: I don't think it will work because it alreadys shows XOpenDisplay(":0") but maybe: x11vnc -display :0 Jul 19 18:38:03 georgem: same error. Jul 19 18:39:04 (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory. Jul 19 18:41:14 phoohb? what distro are you running on it? Maybe someone running the same can try it and see what they get... Jul 19 18:41:50 Im running the default, Ã…ngström, updated also Jul 19 18:42:14 angstrom Jul 19 18:42:41 encoding fail. Jul 19 18:43:11 georgem: (I have Debian laying around, but i doesnt have Xorg, gdm..) Jul 19 18:43:39 worked for me Jul 19 18:44:02 take to go ladies Jul 19 18:44:08 bbt maybe Jul 19 18:45:07 georgem: oh it worked 4 u? what was the full command (at the prompt)? Jul 19 18:45:26 no. I meant the encoding. sorry Jul 19 18:46:27 I don't have it setup with angstrom and actually I have the beaglebone white with DVI cape Jul 19 18:47:34 ahg, I cant search with "opkg search frame" (whanto see if "frambuffer" is sorted away. Howto search for packages? Jul 19 18:47:54 Do you have X11 up and running on the local display (if it has one)? Jul 19 18:48:18 georgem: nope fatal error. In didnt come up! Jul 19 18:48:34 georgem: oh local, yes sure Jul 19 18:49:02 hrm... yeah I dunno Jul 19 18:49:27 Howto search for packages in Ã…ngström? (opkg search twat, doesnt return anything) Jul 19 18:50:09 heh Jul 19 18:53:06 hi folks! Jul 19 18:53:14 dm beagler's Jul 19 18:53:21 s/dm/gm Jul 19 18:54:00 quick question: is there any control character that moves the cursor to the line above? Jul 19 18:54:09 ctrl j? Jul 19 18:54:24 not with the question mark Jul 19 18:54:31 no, but like \n Jul 19 18:55:29 I'm printing a block of text and I want to re-write it changing some data only Jul 19 18:55:53 and, at first, I don't want to clear the screen Jul 19 18:59:22 found i! it's \033[F Jul 19 19:05:59 fbset Jul 19 19:06:46 "fbset" its a command, and it tells me noo /dev/fb0 exist. Jul 19 19:08:54 * georgem reboots his Intergalactic Proton Powered Electrical Tentacled Advertising Droid Jul 19 19:09:26 dm to you too djlewis Jul 19 19:11:13 /etc/X11/xorg.conf uses these oldschool driver "Device "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0" " Jul 19 19:12:13 If YOU type "fbset", what do u see??? Jul 19 19:12:22 (I have a updated system) Jul 19 19:15:25 nobody with a BB connected? NONE?? TELL Jul 19 19:16:22 * ka6sox continues to try to save the world...or his little piece of it. Jul 19 19:16:50 ka6sox: what movie was it this time? Jul 19 19:17:43 huh? Jul 19 19:24:05 its a boot option, if its not default in kernel settings. but then there are xfb.. still wanto search packages. "opkg search " never ever returns anything Jul 19 19:24:59 there is also package viewing on the angstrom site. Jul 19 19:26:34 djlewis: okey thx. Jul 19 19:27:17 phoohb: i found that packages get renamed often. you might try a wildcard search with opkg Jul 19 19:27:44 they usually have a part of the original name in them. Jul 19 19:32:58 I try usually searching packages at their homepage: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ But it's strange, that many packages that are in that list will not be found. I get "Unknown package" for many packages. Jul 19 19:41:10 hola buenas tardes Jul 19 19:41:29 alguien puede comunicarse en español conmigo? Jul 19 19:45:06 como puedo acceder a los pines de la beagleboneblack mediante una aplicacion android? Jul 19 19:45:39 as I can access the pins of the beagleboneblack through android application? Jul 19 19:46:06 cual es el entorno de desarrollo? Jul 19 19:46:15 which is the development environment? Jul 19 19:46:15 That will depend on if there is an android API written for it. Jul 19 19:47:22 http://olimex.wordpress.com/tag/gpio/ Jul 19 19:47:28 a rasberypi will taste good after this Jul 19 19:47:28 For example. Jul 19 19:47:38 okok thx Jul 19 19:47:54 I will read Jul 19 19:48:09 one can type "opkg list | less " to see all available packages Jul 19 19:48:18 I'm assuming that there is a build of android for the BBB - I don't know this. Jul 19 19:49:22 BUT "less" in Ã…ngström doesnt support searching. moment 22 Jul 19 19:50:56 i usually do opkg update then output the opkg list to a file for later perusal. Jul 19 20:06:06 Entorno de desarrollo Jul 19 20:06:17 pues tienes QT creator Jul 19 20:06:27 netbeans Jul 19 20:06:37 pero para android, creo que mejor QT creator Jul 19 20:07:29 anything know a library for use PRU? Jul 19 20:11:21 Interrupcc, specifically what are you asking? Jul 19 20:13:09 cat apa.txt | grep fb | wc Jul 19 20:13:18 106 Jul 19 20:15:59 the PRU module Jul 19 20:16:14 i want to run real time code in beaglebone black Jul 19 20:20:03 Interrupcc: oh, is that done in Jscript? Jul 19 20:20:30 link? Jul 19 20:22:12 Hmmm Jul 19 20:27:29 phoohb, Assembly Language Jul 19 20:27:44 JavaScript could do realtime if it wanted to... Jul 19 20:27:47 whoops Jul 19 20:27:52 couldn't do RT! Jul 19 20:28:07 javascript can't do anything but run SLOW Jul 19 20:28:48 Interrupcc, start here: http://www.elinux.org/Ti_AM33XX_PRUSSv2 Jul 19 20:30:42 java could do RT Jul 19 20:30:43 ;) Jul 19 20:31:13 ds2, as long as you are willing to wait 5 minutes for it to load up and start running. Jul 19 20:31:59 not really Jul 19 20:32:03 you just need the right VM Jul 19 20:32:10 there are specialist VMs for that Jul 19 20:40:42 Howdy Jul 19 20:41:48 could anyone explain or link to a reference that indicates the relationship between TTL, serial and the BBB Jul 19 20:42:55 I have a device that communicates using TTL but am not sure if I need some sort of logic converter before I can use it on the BBB :) Jul 19 20:43:25 skyion: If its TTL serial should work with BBB Jul 19 20:45:15 georgem > It's a GPS LS20031 - http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/2138/resources Jul 19 20:45:53 skyion, see chapter 7.5 of the system reference manual Jul 19 20:46:06 should I use the serial connector on the BBB that is separate to the P8 and P9 headers? Jul 19 20:46:15 http://www.mouser.com/catalog/specsheets/BBB_SRM.pdf Jul 19 20:46:15 dnil > will check that out now... Jul 19 21:01:16 nooo /dev/fb0 here is why e2e.ti.com/support/arm/sitara_arm/f/791/t/184444.aspx Jul 19 21:01:39 (one need to buy some silly cape.. only solution Jul 19 21:02:11 phoohb, for what? Jul 19 21:02:19 ((or use another distro, I bet harder on) Jul 19 21:02:36 ka6sox: cant do remote desktop, vnc Jul 19 21:02:54 read the mailing lists about this Jul 19 21:03:00 there is tons of information on this Jul 19 21:03:17 but reading is hard Jul 19 21:03:29 lulz Jul 19 21:03:33 tough :P Jul 19 21:04:07 Jul 19 21:07:06 ka6sox: you're not an old fart any more? Jul 19 21:09:45 mru, okay I guess I can't take that one back :P Jul 19 21:09:48 Jul 19 21:10:27 I don't think you can take that one back either Jul 19 21:10:41 heh Jul 19 21:11:33 20khz 48ksps uncompressed takes 17 timeslots... Jul 19 21:11:56 uh? Jul 19 21:12:01 20k or 48k? Jul 19 21:13:11 meant for another network... Jul 19 21:13:20 but 20khz audio sampled at 48khz Jul 19 21:13:57 from the digital side, only the sampling rate matters Jul 19 21:14:22 yup Jul 19 21:14:46 its a setting in the mux Jul 19 21:15:18 Ahg, Debian doesnt have /dev/fb0 neather... Jul 19 21:15:19 and is the reason they can only shove 384kbps thru for the ethernet extension Jul 19 21:16:24 uh, how many bits are those samples? Jul 19 21:17:06 that I don't know Jul 19 21:17:10 have to look again Jul 19 21:17:19 and how many channels? Jul 19 21:17:23 2 Jul 19 21:17:36 its a commercial product Jul 19 21:17:48 but they were asking for more BW on the ethernet extension Jul 19 21:18:07 16 bits, 2 channels, 48 kHz is 1536 Mbps Jul 19 21:18:15 err kbps Jul 19 21:19:11 the manual is wrong...(errata missed) Jul 19 21:19:25 the manual is always wrong Jul 19 21:19:30 no kidding Jul 19 21:19:32 that's why real men don't read it Jul 19 21:19:49 17 slots for 15khz @ 32ksps Jul 19 21:19:57 what's a slot in this context? Jul 19 21:20:15 1/24th of 1.544mbps Jul 19 21:20:39 where does 1.544 come from? Jul 19 21:20:42 phoohb, "crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 Jul 19 21:14 /dev/fb0" Jul 19 21:20:45 and what protocol is this/ Jul 19 21:20:46 ? Jul 19 21:20:57 phoohb, is that what you are looking for? Jul 19 21:21:08 phoohb, what are you trying to do? Jul 19 21:21:13 these are not the nodes you are looking for Jul 19 21:21:14 T-1 timing and no protocol. Jul 19 21:21:51 uncompressed audio Jul 19 21:22:24 compression is for losers Jul 19 21:23:39 yes, it is Jul 19 21:23:54 in our case it makes it so the network can't be sync'd Jul 19 21:24:02 hence the term 'lossy compression' Jul 19 21:24:31 just don't give me any FLAC Jul 19 21:25:21 flac is actually only somewhat annoying Jul 19 21:26:38 dnil: that file doesnt exist on the beaglebone A6, if u dont have a cape (with DVI och TFT display Jul 19 21:26:53 that's a meaningless statement Jul 19 21:27:03 the hw as such doesn't even have a concept of files Jul 19 21:27:25 the device nodes aren't present unless it detects the cape Jul 19 21:27:29 you're clearly talking about the bone running some specific software Jul 19 21:29:27 Maybe some file to set as gpio..? take a peek on this file: /sys/class/graphics/fbcon/subsystem/fbcon/subsystem/fbcon/subsystem/fbcon/subsystem..... Jul 19 21:29:59 tl;dr Jul 19 21:30:05 and that's just the _name_ of the file Jul 19 21:30:09 tisdk question... *plonk* Jul 19 21:30:41 huh? Jul 19 21:30:45 lulz Jul 19 21:31:11 phoohb, Sure, I'm working on a BBB where there is a kernel driver loaded that provides the relevant device file Jul 19 21:31:37 on a BBW that device node isn't instantiated unless the driver is loaded. Jul 19 21:31:50 phoohb, On the white this will not exist without an additional cape Jul 19 21:32:16 * ka6sox wonder if he was imprecise an any way with his previous statement. Jul 19 21:33:02 ka6sox, no... sorry. We typed at the same time Jul 19 21:33:19 dnil: must be a way. guess just some settings somewhere Jul 19 21:34:02 phoohb, I'll ask my question to you again: What are you trying to do? Jul 19 21:34:11 ka6sox, saw the e2e link Jul 19 21:34:20 hurray for beer:30 Jul 19 21:34:37 phoohb, rebuild the kernel, turn it from a module to a builtin Jul 19 21:34:45 the driver Jul 19 21:34:49 mdp: :30? it's _way_ beyond that Jul 19 21:35:03 ~ugt Jul 19 21:35:14 mru, I just can't seem to catch up to your TZ while sitting here! Jul 19 21:35:37 so get on a plane Jul 19 21:35:54 still won't catch up Jul 19 21:35:55 mru, did you see http://foaas.com already? Jul 19 21:36:04 dnil: if u type "lsmod" what fb modules are loaded? Jul 19 21:36:31 phoohb, you aren't listening...they won't load WITHOUT the cape being present Jul 19 21:36:38 mru, yeah, everybody on my team was going on and on about my Connect absence Jul 19 21:36:49 or...you can build it into the kernel. Jul 19 21:37:08 mdp: http://youtu.be/xiZjedD-G-s Jul 19 21:37:09 mru, in relation to the beertimes Jul 19 21:37:34 heh Jul 19 21:38:40 mdp: sorry, I don't know what any of that stuff means Jul 19 21:39:27 phoohb, no modules loaded... But I'm on a BBB, so that is not relevant. Jul 19 21:40:48 mdp: but it's missing /brian "how shall we fuck off?" Jul 19 21:41:22 Not sure this topic is going anywhere. What I wanted to point out was that there is a way to have a framebuffer without "graphics" HW, and that is through the use of a kernel virtual frame buffer. Jul 19 21:41:39 ka6sox: I recall legacy vga=ask as boot option. Now days bootloaders are horific... no ideer about ubÃ¥t. Howto pass options to uboot? Jul 19 21:42:17 wow, that's ancient stuff Jul 19 21:42:52 haven't seen that for like 20 years Jul 19 21:43:08 when I change the /boot/config.txt to use higher clock frequency at the raspberryPi, Do I have to restart after each change? Jul 19 21:43:20 wtf Jul 19 21:43:27 For example I want to change my CPU frequ from 700 to 800 MHz Jul 19 21:43:40 heh Jul 19 21:43:42 Obviously, with a virtual framebuffer you will not have a display but applications that depends on a framebuffer can run. Jul 19 21:43:56 http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/FB_VIRTUAL.html Jul 19 21:43:57 mru, I wasn't expecting the king api, almost forgot that one...figured you'd appreciate it Jul 19 21:43:57 * georgem_home cracks open a cold one Jul 19 21:43:57 get a blackbone and run circles around the pi at ONE JIGGAHERTZ Jul 19 21:44:03 mru: still works. I use framebuffer in default console Jul 19 21:44:31 mdp: is that king as in rmk? Jul 19 21:44:34 I heard pi is faster at web browsing Jul 19 21:44:40 the insult sounds vaguely familiar Jul 19 21:44:55 I heard the pi is quite superior at dropping usb frames Jul 19 21:44:58 phoohb: ever figure out why your x11vnc was broken? Jul 19 21:45:13 mru, it should sound familiar, yes Jul 19 21:45:39 I don't even remember what I'd said that time Jul 19 21:45:54 I got RPi overclocked at 950MHz with Debian and it's definately faster than my BBB with angstrom in firefox. Jul 19 21:45:55 georgem_home: yes, noo /dev/fb0 (mention it a number of times here now) Jul 19 21:46:15 OMG PONIES! Jul 19 21:46:21 http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg237409.html Jul 19 21:46:58 oh that Jul 19 21:47:40 note how I did not use any profanities there Jul 19 21:48:17 and somehow still managed to insult someone Jul 19 21:48:32 fuck em Jul 19 21:49:12 people need to grow some skin Jul 19 21:49:44 trolling rmk is somthing of a sport Jul 19 21:50:06 linus yells back Jul 19 21:55:00 long long ago in a land far away I submit a patch to fix core dumps for multithreaded process on ARM. It got rejected for some petty reason and I sort of lost interest in actively participating in mailing lists. Jul 19 21:55:43 georgem_home: rmk believes the world has stood still since the release of the arm9 Jul 19 21:55:52 at least for kernel mailing lists. Jul 19 21:56:02 yeah, doesn't surprise me Jul 19 21:56:14 most of the arm people are actually very nice Jul 19 21:56:21 just ignore rmk Jul 19 21:58:02 not sure if it still works this way but IIRC he used to have to aprove pretty much anything for it to get used upstream. So unless wanted to make him happy submitting patches was pointless Jul 19 21:58:14 depends Jul 19 21:58:23 there are workarounds Jul 19 22:01:53 I've found that upstreaming anything even in other completely unrelated projects such as webkit usually takes 10x to 20x the time of actually doing the work. Its just insane. Jul 19 22:02:09 it varies a lot Jul 19 22:02:49 some projects are totally anal about form of submissions Jul 19 22:02:56 miss a comma and you're rejected Jul 19 22:03:00 yup Jul 19 22:03:26 some are not actually open projects despite appearances Jul 19 22:03:40 so if your patch doesn't fit some hidden (corporate) agenda, you're toast Jul 19 22:03:41 thats true Jul 19 22:03:58 * mru looks at llvm Jul 19 22:06:42 mru: memcpy is murder! Jul 19 22:06:51 mru: something to do with you pulling a british ism? :D Jul 19 22:07:23 what is this about memcpy being murder? Jul 19 22:09:13 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/0 Jul 19 22:09:38 ds2: ? Jul 19 22:09:59 heh Jul 19 22:10:09 CFP is the 21st right? Jul 19 22:10:25 koen miss the LDIR instruction from the Z80 or something? Jul 19 22:10:43 mranostay, yep Jul 19 22:10:47 georgem_home: ugh Jul 19 22:10:59 georgem_home: or the rep prefix on x86 Jul 19 22:11:12 mranostay, I wonder if the date is as flexible as it was when CELF ran them Jul 19 22:11:31 mdp: depends if they are behind in submissions :P Jul 19 22:11:38 right Jul 19 22:11:40 last time around, the acceptance notifications came pretty soon after the deadline Jul 19 22:11:50 mranostay, tbird used to solicit submissions weeks after the deadline Jul 19 22:12:01 who's running it this time? Jul 19 22:12:32 mru, I only heard that prpplague is not on the programme committee and that tbird may not be due to his job change Jul 19 22:12:50 so better break out the r-pi talks Jul 19 22:13:02 I can't handle change Jul 19 22:13:23 mranostay: I don't have any more soul to sell Jul 19 22:13:35 mranostay, btw, edmund fitzgerald, yum Jul 19 22:16:19 Isn't that the ship that sunk in Lake Michigan Jul 19 22:16:23 i was required to turn mine over Jul 19 22:16:50 Superior, close Jul 19 22:16:52 mranostay: your soul? Jul 19 22:17:36 georgem_home, name of the Porter the bigger craft brewer in Cleveland makes Jul 19 22:17:51 oh ok. cool Jul 19 22:19:03 missed whitefish bay Jul 19 22:19:41 * georgem_home sounds the air raid sirens Jul 19 22:19:51 beeradvocate.com is down. I repeat beeradvocate.com is down. Jul 19 22:20:10 http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/great-lakes-edmund-fitzgerald-porter/1226/ Jul 19 22:20:16 ratebeer is up! Jul 19 22:20:25 good :) Jul 19 22:20:27 rat beer? Jul 19 22:20:44 gotta love fridays Jul 19 22:21:13 hmmm call from 316 area code Jul 19 22:21:17 isn't that kansas? Jul 19 22:21:31 they are sending you some google fiber Jul 19 22:21:42 beware of calls from 419 Jul 19 22:21:52 I'm having I2C trouble with kernel 3.8 on a BBB, does this look familiar to anyone; http://pastebin.com/RiuabmNU ? Jul 19 22:21:53 mranostay: We are so cool we have TWO area codes. 913 and 785 Jul 19 22:21:57 can they put fiber in a place people acually want to live? :) Jul 19 22:22:13 georgem_home: do you also have _both_ kinds of music? Jul 19 22:22:17 mru, dayton? Jul 19 22:22:42 music and country music? Jul 19 22:22:43 georgem_home, Country *and* Western Jul 19 22:22:45 yup Jul 19 22:22:49 heh Jul 19 22:22:56 out here on the plate we have too many kinds. Jul 19 22:23:00 mdp: I was thinking of nigeria scams Jul 19 22:23:05 i'm having trouble with the sdcards that were supplied with the bbw. Jul 19 22:23:05 aha Jul 19 22:23:15 can't get rid of the partitions o nit. Jul 19 22:23:35 mru, can't help but see that as a local-ish are code here Jul 19 22:23:38 area Jul 19 22:23:43 I wish the shitty nighclub across the street would discover some more kinds of music Jul 19 22:23:55 mranostay, are you implying people want to live in portland? Jul 19 22:24:12 What they did with google fiber was kind of messed up. They but it into all the run down areas first. They're trying to revitalize the city or something. Jul 19 22:24:27 right, because google is a big charity Jul 19 22:24:36 georgem_home, what city? Jul 19 22:24:41 kansas city Jul 19 22:24:52 wouldn't they pick detroit if that was the case? Jul 19 22:25:01 kansas or the other one? Jul 19 22:25:11 mdp, +1 Jul 19 22:25:11 both Jul 19 22:25:16 it's cheaper to provide x Mbps per person in areas where nobody lives Jul 19 22:25:19 mdp: true Jul 19 22:25:30 or nobody can afford it Jul 19 22:25:34 its FREE Jul 19 22:25:40 ka6sox: same thing Jul 19 22:25:45 I wonder why verizon doesn't take fios to places where nobody lives ;) Jul 19 22:25:54 they do Jul 19 22:25:59 but then they cap the rate Jul 19 22:26:03 if you had to actually supply all that bandwidth, it would get rather expensive Jul 19 22:26:18 yeah its capped Jul 19 22:26:19 they abandoned our area (sold to frontier) cause we don't have a dense enough population ;) Jul 19 22:26:26 mdp: it depends on why you're doing it Jul 19 22:26:36 mranostay, its the wichita lineman calling. Jul 19 22:26:38 mdp: yes i'm implying that Jul 19 22:26:39 google fibre is mainly about publicity Jul 19 22:26:40 testing the line Jul 19 22:26:47 actual customers are secondary Jul 19 22:26:50 google is all about stock price Jul 19 22:27:01 google is all about the glass Jul 19 22:27:01 whatever verizon does is for profit Jul 19 22:27:25 I expect that once people are really using google fibre, google will announce the end to that product Jul 19 22:27:32 the only glass is the pint glass Jul 19 22:27:38 +1 Jul 19 22:28:47 mdp: yes. because its only purpose is to generate hype and up their stock price. once the hype is gone its on to the next thing Jul 19 22:29:13 http://goo.gl/X232V Jul 19 22:29:53 yeah... a lot of people actually used google reader too Jul 19 22:30:02 mru, is daft not the same as crazy? Jul 19 22:30:10 georgem_home: scroll to the end Jul 19 22:30:11 daft is stupid Jul 19 22:30:17 * mdp places a flower on the places directory app Jul 19 22:30:32 ka6sox: context? Jul 19 22:30:33 how should a boot sd card be formated? Jul 19 22:30:41 mrpackethead: properly Jul 19 22:30:45 daft punk = crazy cretins? Jul 19 22:30:45 ext4 ? Jul 19 22:30:53 using #exactsteps Jul 19 22:30:58 daft punk = awesome coding music Jul 19 22:31:12 ka6sox: daft punk is a "music" band that's anything but punk Jul 19 22:31:36 maybe thats why they're called daft punk Jul 19 22:31:40 I heard some of their stuff in the latest "tron" movie Jul 19 22:31:54 my rule is to avoid them 100% Jul 19 22:31:55 and the club across the street has been playing their 'get lucky' song every day for the last few weeks Jul 19 22:32:00 I'm getting tired of it Jul 19 22:32:10 wonder how well would a de DT'ing talk go at the conferences Jul 19 22:32:16 they were ok before they got too popular Jul 19 22:32:24 ds2, don't be a hater Jul 19 22:32:28 at least we fixed the audio problem Jul 19 22:32:28 mru: yeah that song isn't that great Jul 19 22:32:32 ds2: fex! Jul 19 22:32:34 ds2, even DT doesn't like to be verbally abused Jul 19 22:32:38 the 3.8 kernel broke the audio cape Jul 19 22:32:40 could it be worse then petting a tiger agaqinst the grain Jul 19 22:32:43 mranostay: it's a catchy tune Jul 19 22:32:49 but it gets annoying very quickly Jul 19 22:33:04 i hate to beg in here. Jul 19 22:33:06 didn't say it would be popular Jul 19 22:33:07 you get trolled Jul 19 22:33:17 trolling is fine Jul 19 22:34:03 trolling is more than fine Jul 19 22:34:10 mrpackethead, broke the audio cape in which manner..and compared to 3.2? Jul 19 22:34:11 lol, when you are the troll, trolling is fun Jul 19 22:34:20 everyone trolls Jul 19 22:34:23 mrpackethead, I sent a workaround patch for the audio cape and the 3.8 kernel to the mailing list a couple of weeks back Jul 19 22:34:32 <_troll_> ACTION  Jul 19 22:34:32 newbs don't troll Jul 19 22:34:54 really. oh. Jul 19 22:34:54 removing DT would be along the lines of the ill fated Linux Tiny stuff Jul 19 22:34:55 they ask how to put windows on their BBB Jul 19 22:36:14 or DOS :D Jul 19 22:36:15 There is a proper patch in the works from TI, I have a preview copy of it that works but Darren at TI wanted to fix some more stuff before releasing. Jul 19 22:36:27 ds2, start by submitting a patch to remove hwmod Jul 19 22:36:30 mranostay: yeah, that was hilarious Jul 19 22:36:33 like felipebalabi did Jul 19 22:36:41 hwmod is ur friend. :D Jul 19 22:36:54 with friends like that... Jul 19 22:36:57 mdp: actually, I am looking at it from a bigger point of view. Not just TI/OMAP Jul 19 22:36:58 ti is making a proper patch ?!? Jul 19 22:36:59 mrpackethead, audio issues on 3.8 are not related to DT support BTW. Jul 19 22:37:12 there are small systems of interest Jul 19 22:37:18 good thing is that we have something that works now Jul 19 22:37:24 ones that would choke on the new growth Jul 19 22:37:31 audio is of high importance to this app Jul 19 22:37:40 georgem, it depends on the individual Jul 19 22:37:48 georgem, if it's darren, it will be proper Jul 19 22:37:56 georgem, Yes, the issue comes from a TI patch to add HDMI support. So they broke, they fix it. Jul 19 22:38:08 ah Jul 19 22:38:12 dnil: add HDMI support to which board? Jul 19 22:38:19 The BBB Jul 19 22:38:31 working HDMI finally? Jul 19 22:38:38 TI is the wrong person to ask to fix that Jul 19 22:38:45 or works on 3 out of 34324123412412 displays still? Jul 19 22:38:51 as the HDMI chip folks to submit a proper driver or provide a proper and full datasheet. Jul 19 22:38:55 ask Jul 19 22:39:06 that transceiver as choose is still born from the beginning. Jul 19 22:39:11 ds2, we already went down that path Jul 19 22:39:29 ds2, gerald was already flamed for choosing the cheapest POS ever from a FOSS unfriendly company Jul 19 22:39:32 mdp: and you probally have the thorns and cuts from that path too Jul 19 22:39:40 I'm an instinctual rabble-rouser Jul 19 22:39:44 ds2, no longer my problem ;) Jul 19 22:39:53 well, never was Jul 19 22:39:59 but that is the fact Jul 19 22:40:02 the chip is F'ed Jul 19 22:40:14 s/w people don't get input on the OSHW ;) Jul 19 22:40:35 s/w people do get to lynch the folks who choose said chips though ;) Jul 19 22:40:38 ds2, I can assure you that the discussion with said company were 100% fruitless and they offered nothing but useless responses Jul 19 22:40:50 ds2: fuck, I have to do both Jul 19 22:40:57 but then, they were already designed in..duh..gotta know what the code is before you make a selection Jul 19 22:41:07 ds2, not really Jul 19 22:41:19 it's really never changed since day one for me in this industry Jul 19 22:41:28 mdp: I believe I said that many months ago before the design was finalized. and I have been ignored completely. Jul 19 22:41:29 there's no feedback path..h/w people don't care Jul 19 22:42:10 too busy chasing Rpi price with the collective noses up Eben's ass Jul 19 22:42:13 it isn't like that is the first board to use that chip either Jul 19 22:42:32 so in short, I have no sympathy for that problem Jul 19 22:42:38 agreed Jul 19 22:42:48 I was, to say the least, pissed Jul 19 22:42:49 a TFP410 would have been more then sufficient Jul 19 22:43:26 absolutely no consideration to the concept of needing to establish a foss driver deliverable in that design choice Jul 19 22:43:41 and it was known from day one that the hdmi stuff was absolutely critical to BBB Jul 19 22:43:52 bah Jul 19 22:44:29 My understanding of the problem with the audio cape is that at the time when the HDMI support for the BBB went in we didn't have all the bits in place to use the DT info in the davinci-evm driver. Jul 19 22:44:56 I am really tempted to sell a BBG Jul 19 22:44:59 that's correct, separate issue Jul 19 22:45:18 BBB is 6 or 4L? don't have the files handy Jul 19 22:45:19 So Darren had to hardcode some stuff in that driver to make the audio path over HDMI work, and that broke the audio cape Jul 19 22:45:22 bbg would be wonderful Jul 19 22:45:26 probably 6 Jul 19 22:45:34 thats a guess Jul 19 22:45:41 hmmm 6L has a higher NRE Jul 19 22:45:43 driving a stake thru the eMMC's heart isnt' a good idea? Jul 19 22:45:57 still dont have my eMMC samples yet Jul 19 22:45:58 ka6sox: problem is I don't want to get stuck with 1000 BBG's Jul 19 22:46:12 eMMC is a way to get screwed over Jul 19 22:46:31 so is trying to use NAND flash on an am335x Jul 19 22:46:34 I do wonder if the legacy MMC modes will work on the AM335x Jul 19 22:46:47 I know it is deprecated by TI but will it work Jul 19 22:47:30 bitbang it Jul 19 22:47:34 heh Jul 19 22:47:35 sigh Jul 19 22:47:39 use the PRU Jul 19 22:47:47 j/k Jul 19 22:47:50 the point is to not burn pins Jul 19 22:48:35 Regading the I2C issue... I2C hangs when running an CPU-intensive application (linphone with 32kbit speex codec in this case). I've actually seen this issue on both I2C controllers but the user-space application is in this case not communicating over I2C. Jul 19 22:48:35 https://plus.google.com/u/0/104311741538311228590/posts/Rtz3fKjcPro Jul 19 22:48:45 if it wouldn't cost me $45/ea + the cost of disabling, I'd get some bbb and turn them into BBGs Jul 19 22:49:15 the G stands for _Gold_ Jul 19 22:49:44 I think if I wanted to really use HDMI I'd just use my pandaboard... Jul 19 22:50:15 mdp, https://plus.google.com/u/0/104311741538311228590/posts/SwLpUNSH5Mm Jul 19 22:50:16 the 1.8" tft I have is all the display I'll ever need Jul 19 22:50:22 but I don't so... Jul 19 22:50:28 "The Angstrom Distribution is working on my #BeagleBoneBlack on my cheap, China-made LEDTV" Jul 19 22:50:38 yeah Jul 19 22:50:42 I saw his update Jul 19 22:50:48 but yes, dealing with nxp is a real pain Jul 19 22:50:52 it's a never ending level of frustration Jul 19 22:51:02 what is with the Dutch? :P Jul 19 22:51:08 heh Jul 19 22:51:10 Russ, nxp is terrible..all contract Jul 19 22:51:13 contact Jul 19 22:51:18 mranostay: all the pot and hookers I suspect Jul 19 22:51:23 the camera cape asic people suck too Jul 19 22:51:28 holy crap they are dutch Jul 19 22:51:30 that explains so much Jul 19 22:51:31 georgem_home: sounds like heaven Jul 19 22:51:38 yeah... I know, lol Jul 19 22:52:04 we just need to use more colorful language when requesting specs Jul 19 22:52:15 lol Jul 19 22:52:17 * Russ goes off to write an email that will fix everything Jul 19 22:52:20 abusive language? Jul 19 22:52:36 I prefer to refer to it as "course" Jul 19 22:52:43 er, coarse Jul 19 22:52:47 I thought I'd take my clues from the Swedish Finns Jul 19 22:52:56 I would expect nothing less from a refined gentleman such as yourself Jul 19 22:53:06 they seem to know how to get things done with swear words. Jul 19 22:53:14 * mdp heads out for steak and beer Jul 19 22:53:16 ttyl Jul 19 22:53:19 ttyl Jul 19 22:53:25 nite mdp Jul 19 22:57:21 mm somethign werid going on Jul 19 22:57:36 my virtual debian machine does'nt detect the card unless i reboot Jul 19 23:01:13 oh ffs, they're playing it _again_ Jul 19 23:01:23 what? daft punk? Jul 19 23:01:28 yeah Jul 19 23:01:47 can someone please ban that music, at least when my window is open Jul 19 23:02:25 yeah... thats too much. should be reserved for codeathons only (seems to counter my ADD) Jul 19 23:03:02 their earlier stuff was ok Jul 19 23:03:08 the latest album is crap Jul 19 23:03:16 yeah, thats usually what I listen to. Don't have the latest one Jul 19 23:03:56 ok, it's not bieber-bad Jul 19 23:04:00 * mranostay pops some Cher on the jukebook for mru Jul 19 23:04:07 but it's unimaginative Jul 19 23:04:18 mranostay: urgh Jul 19 23:04:30 she doesn't even _look_ good Jul 19 23:04:35 mru: can i ask you a question? Jul 19 23:04:43 you just did Jul 19 23:04:52 do you believe in love after love Jul 19 23:04:57 * mranostay ducks Jul 19 23:05:01 wtf does that mean? Jul 19 23:05:12 do you believe in ducks? Jul 19 23:05:41 I believe in what I see Jul 19 23:07:58 mru: (flamebait) I thought you were a "believer" Jul 19 23:08:37 Sorry, I should STFU. I really just can't help it. Jul 19 23:08:40 as I said, I believe what I see Jul 19 23:08:49 so far, my eyes have not deceived me Jul 19 23:09:02 well, thats awesome then. wish I could say the same Jul 19 23:09:16 georgem_home: alcohol? :) Jul 19 23:09:42 alcohol might shift the emphasis Jul 19 23:09:50 mranostay: Ummmm no (throws bottles out the window) nothing at all officer Jul 19 23:13:20 The world is ending. My wife is talking to her parents in Canada and they are getting Tornados. And WE are not. Jul 19 23:13:45 the world has been ending since before it was born Jul 19 23:13:54 canada gets tornados? Jul 19 23:14:01 I guess they do now Jul 19 23:14:03 are they nicer ones? Jul 19 23:14:11 yes. very polite. Jul 19 23:16:20 I'm just glad I live comfortably above sea level :) Jul 19 23:17:05 found a incomplete webpage http://www.lvr.com/beaglebone.htm (can someone help her finish, fixing framebuffer) THX Jul 19 23:18:53 notice Ã…ngström supports ti-dsp thing, howabout other distro.. Want an alternative to the Default, what can be recomended?? Jul 19 23:19:08 What is ti-dsp thing? Jul 19 23:20:37 digital signal processing, something (filtering DAC things complicated anyway Jul 19 23:21:11 I know what a DSP is, I just don't know what a ti-dsp thing is in this context. Jul 19 23:22:40 georgem_home: https://github.com/openembedded/meta-oe Jul 19 23:26:27 * georgem_home scratches head Jul 19 23:26:55 georgem_home: sortof wrong link, http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/BeagleBoard (a p9icture anyway (I will sone be gone Jul 19 23:27:20 ahh ok. I hear you there. I'm pretty far gone myself. Jul 19 23:34:38 ah, ok. its a beagleboard specific feature (which I'm not very familiar with) Jul 19 23:37:55 I guess I scared everyone off, would't be the first time :) Jul 19 23:42:26 I' pleased that we now have got beagles that do not burn your eyes out Jul 19 23:43:26 mrpackethead, sharpie Jul 19 23:43:38 yeah, but these new ones Jul 19 23:43:48 are no longer crazy bright Jul 19 23:43:53 they are "sensible" Jul 19 23:43:54 kewl Jul 19 23:43:57 excellent Jul 19 23:44:02 just opened up a new box of them Jul 19 23:44:10 mrpackethead: did your beagle have a class 4 laser? Jul 19 23:44:11 A5B Jul 19 23:44:16 georgem_home: close Jul 19 23:44:23 class 5A laser? Jul 19 23:44:54 I thought 4B was the highest Jul 19 23:45:39 beagle is a A5B revison Jul 19 23:45:40 * georgem_home did not get the memo on class 5+ lasers Jul 19 23:45:40 doh. Jul 19 23:46:08 now if there is such a thing as a class 5 laser, I want one Jul 19 23:46:34 class 5. blah Jul 19 23:46:38 thats kiddies play Jul 19 23:46:42 we have a class 17 Jul 19 23:46:50 its installed on the death star Jul 19 23:47:57 mru: I'm pretty sure there is on second thought: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pozlp_wnkRk Jul 19 23:48:51 why do mranostay why do I have to go here: http://goo.gl/maps/dsveH instead of here: http://goo.gl/maps/erb77 Jul 19 23:48:53 ? Jul 19 23:53:14 I'm pretty sure the second link you sent was in former nuclear test area Jul 19 23:54:18 Bring a geiger counter Jul 19 23:55:16 And don't eat the coconuts Jul 19 23:55:29 don't eat the yellow snow Jul 19 23:56:21 Yellow snow doesn't compare to coconuts on the Marshall Islands. Jul 19 23:57:03 I doubt they're dangerously radioactive today Jul 19 23:57:28 at least not in moderate exposure Jul 19 23:57:52 mru: Pu-239 has a half-life of 24,000 years Jul 19 23:58:09 which means it's not particularly intense Jul 19 23:58:19 Pu itself is quite toxic though Jul 19 23:59:21 and it's probably not biologically active Jul 19 23:59:42 so there won't be any _in_ the plants growing there Jul 20 00:00:13 building a house on the island is probably a bad idea though Jul 20 00:00:21 yeah.... Jul 20 00:01:32 we had this minor incident with Cs-laced rain in sweden back in '86 Jul 20 00:02:19 thanks to chernobyl Jul 20 00:02:36 atomic half-life is long, but it's mostly gone from the biological cycles now Jul 20 00:03:08 interesting Jul 20 00:03:38 Buried in the soil? Jul 20 00:03:42 yeah Jul 20 00:04:11 the concentration is not harmful in itself Jul 20 00:05:26 fosil fuels < nuclear energy Jul 20 00:06:54 different set of problems Jul 20 00:07:22 but nuclear is much cheaper if you ignore the waste disposal Jul 20 00:07:40 but then so does fossil fuel use Jul 20 00:07:41 waste disposal is easy Jul 20 00:07:47 bury it deep deep deep Jul 20 00:07:55 or invest in sending things to space Jul 20 00:07:58 and aim it at the sun Jul 20 00:08:04 the nuclear waste is at least contained rather than spread in the atmosphere Jul 20 00:08:24 if we can shoot people towards planets Jul 20 00:08:29 there are plenty of places to put the waste but it scares people that don't understand science Jul 20 00:08:31 sun, moon, mars, doesn't really matter Jul 20 00:08:33 why can't we shoot nuclear waste to space Jul 20 00:08:42 look at voyager Jul 20 00:08:48 it never fell back to earth Jul 20 00:08:51 emocakes: price Jul 20 00:08:55 accidents Jul 20 00:09:13 wonder how hot (thermally) is the nuclear waste Jul 20 00:09:23 sending stuff outside earth orbit is very, very costly Jul 20 00:09:32 ds2 thats how they power the probes Jul 20 00:09:35 ds2, depends on how long it's been out of the reactor Jul 20 00:09:35 Bury the waste in a geologically inactive cache. Jul 20 00:09:37 with heat from it Jul 20 00:09:41 ds2: after a few months, not very Jul 20 00:09:58 dump the waste in china Jul 20 00:09:58 thats what the storage ponds are for though Jul 20 00:10:01 or africa Jul 20 00:10:07 emocakes: +1 Jul 20 00:10:16 so no thermopiles Jul 20 00:10:18 or use it for fuel in a different reactor Jul 20 00:10:20 emocakes: yes Jul 20 00:10:31 are we going to talk about breeder reactors now? Jul 20 00:10:33 but no one wants to reconcentrate the fuel Jul 20 00:11:06 * georgem_home doesn't know anything about processing nuclear fuel... nothing at all. didn't hear nothing here Jul 20 00:11:26 I'm sure #beagle is a bastion of experts when it comes to nuclear fuel Jul 20 00:11:41 i built a breeder reactor in my garage russ Jul 20 00:11:50 heaps and heaps of smoke detectors Jul 20 00:12:09 did you also send your nuclear waste into the sun? Jul 20 00:12:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn Jul 20 00:12:10 lol Jul 20 00:14:42 georgem_home: how much ore you need? i mean :) Jul 20 00:15:07 * emocakes thinks that georgem_home is north korean Jul 20 00:16:44 i know nothing Jul 20 00:16:51 :) Jul 20 00:17:16 my name isnt emocakes Jul 20 00:18:31 hi my beaglebone won't show the web page Jul 20 00:19:23 oh no Jul 20 00:24:26 emocakes: you dealt with him in a hurry Jul 20 00:25:20 I showed him didn't I ger Jul 20 00:25:22 georgem_home Jul 20 00:26:08 yup Jul 20 00:35:16 apt-get broken Jul 20 00:35:19 not fun Jul 20 00:35:45 broken? Jul 20 00:51:16 yeha, debian install is not complete Jul 20 01:06:57 what version of node.js in on the bbb? Jul 20 01:10:30 and why does console.log("Hello World"); return true on the console in cloud9 Jul 20 01:15:34 i always use alert() Jul 20 01:15:53 it always works Jul 20 01:15:59 for regular js Jul 20 01:16:13 haven't tried it on cloud9 ide Jul 20 01:16:40 none of the example code runs in the could9 ide Jul 20 01:17:20 wrong web browser maybe? Jul 20 01:17:34 i'm running in chrome Jul 20 01:17:46 oh Jul 20 01:17:52 that works Jul 20 01:18:07 i have no idea Jul 20 01:20:39 i set break points and it doesn't break on them Jul 20 01:21:11 sounds like cloud9ide is broken itself Jul 20 01:21:37 did you try using the angstrom flasher to reflash Jul 20 01:22:59 if I change it from debug mode to run then it actually works Jul 20 01:23:12 ok Jul 20 01:24:41 yay and now they work in debug mode... sigh Jul 20 01:25:00 :p Jul 20 02:37:00 i'm putting a tie on Jul 20 02:37:29 why would anyone do such a thing? Jul 20 02:37:37 going to a wedding Jul 20 02:37:43 why would anyone do such a thing? Jul 20 02:37:57 :p Jul 20 02:38:14 i think troll_mranstroy does everyday **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 20 02:59:57 2013