**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 24 02:59:59 2013 Jul 24 03:21:19 How to camera RCA connect BB? Jul 24 03:21:30 please help me! Jul 24 03:26:34 !!! Jul 24 03:26:39 of course sire Jul 24 03:26:40 anything Jul 24 03:27:10 anyone ever run into problems with booting a beaglebone white off a kingston micro sd? Jul 24 03:29:00 JoshAshby-SFE: you again? Jul 24 03:29:08 JoshAshby-SFE: hehe Jul 24 03:29:32 JoshAshby-SFE: in the past we have seen some weirdness with some microsd cards Jul 24 03:29:33 prpplague: oh, you're here also? :P Jul 24 03:29:39 JoshAshby-SFE: hehe Jul 24 03:30:26 prpplague: welp, I've been getting no luck with the 8gb kingston micro sd's that we sell at work, however a 4gb lexar has had no problems. Jul 24 03:30:47 with the kingston I just get a nice short stream of "CCCCCCCCCC" from what should be arch. Jul 24 03:31:26 JoshAshby-SFE: it may be the partition allocation on the card, the rom code for the init boot can be tricky with that Jul 24 03:31:50 JoshAshby-SFE: in the past we've had a shell script that does some calculations for optimal partition configuration Jul 24 03:31:58 JoshAshby-SFE: i suspect that might be the case for you Jul 24 03:32:13 is it perchance called mkcard? Jul 24 03:33:09 JoshAshby-SFE: yea, but there are a number of variations out there Jul 24 03:33:41 prpplague: leming in #archlinux-arm linked me to one from the beaglebone site last night, iirc. let me check that link Jul 24 03:34:37 ah, angstrom site: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/mkcard.txt Jul 24 03:35:59 JoshAshby-SFE: yea that is XorA 's original one Jul 24 03:36:06 JoshAshby-SFE: is that what you are using? Jul 24 03:36:39 correct, and I've tried manually doing it, according to: http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/ti/beaglebone Jul 24 03:36:57 * mranostay sips beer Jul 24 03:37:05 the manual formating is what I did with the 4gb lexar sd that *is* booting. Jul 24 03:40:12 prpplague: although I just got curiousness with this card. seems my local arch install is saying the 8gb card is now only 1gb. wondering what happened to the card now and if thats why it's having problems Jul 24 03:40:37 JoshAshby-SFE: hehe Jul 24 03:41:43 let me boot into a live cd and see what it says. my local arch has been acting weird lately Jul 24 03:42:30 * prpplague grumbles at JoshAshby-SFE for not tinkering with the black+bacon and userspace-arduino Jul 24 03:58:52 someone should explain the booting sequence at bb.org well, including the part where the u-boot in the emmc tries to load from the mmc Jul 24 03:59:49 there seems to be a lot of confusion about that ;) Jul 24 04:20:41 prpplague: don't have the black yet :P and bacon? but good news is the whites booting from the 8gb now. rebooted into crunchbang and re did the whole install and it works fine. Jul 24 04:20:56 think my local arch install might be needing some r&d Jul 24 04:21:09 JoshAshby-SFE: oh i thought you had already gotten it Jul 24 04:21:13 * prpplague will check on that Jul 24 04:21:28 prpplague: nope, still waiting. did it get sent to SFE? Jul 24 04:22:01 JoshAshby-SFE: yea it was suppose to be sent to the sfe address we had on file marked to your attention Jul 24 04:22:26 prpplague: the mail guy might not know me :P I don't tend to leave IT much so Jul 24 04:22:35 I'll check tomorrow also when I get in Jul 24 04:24:06 and i will check shipping Jul 24 04:24:27 JoshAshby-SFE: shipping tends to freak out when there is no invoice for a shipping request Jul 24 04:24:56 hehe **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 24 05:27:42 2013 Jul 24 05:28:03 how typical Jul 24 05:28:07 "There has been a security breach on the Ubuntu Forums. The Canonical IS team is working hard as we speak to restore normal operations. This page will be updated with progress reports." Jul 24 05:45:35 prpplague: what all with userspace arduino are you wanting touched upon? Jul 24 07:17:46 m_billybob: it's been a week already ? Jul 24 07:20:33 that's what you get when using forums Jul 24 07:48:45 ynezz: unsure what you can do w/ 2M salted hashes Jul 24 08:56:17 Hello everyone, anyone willing to help me with a question about proxy authentication on the beaglebone black? Jul 24 09:01:19 what does proxy auth have to do with the hardware? Jul 24 09:02:43 It has to do with Angstrom, I can't find the support I'm looking for on any forums Jul 24 09:03:24 so just taking a chance to see if I could find some support here Jul 24 09:08:07 ah Jul 24 09:08:14 so what _is_ the actual problem Jul 24 09:09:14 I found enough support to setup a proxy using connman, but the proxy I'm using needs authentication (username and password), and I cannot figure out how to enter these into connman Jul 24 09:09:43 I edited the /etc/environment file to export the proxy with username and password, but that did not work :( Jul 24 09:12:57 proxy settings are usually on a per application basis Jul 24 09:13:05 some use a system wide setting Jul 24 09:13:21 but authenticated proxies are quite a b*tch in general Jul 24 09:14:10 so I'm still not exactly sure what you're trying to achieve Jul 24 09:16:11 when I connect to the proxy on Windows, it prompts me for username and password when I attempt to connect to the internet, now I want to have it automatically connect with username and password through proxy on the beaglebone Jul 24 09:18:11 what's "it" in this situation? Jul 24 09:18:24 well, my browser I guess Jul 24 09:18:49 which browser are you using? Jul 24 09:19:00 I could achieve this on the raspberry PI by editing the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d file and adding the line Jul 24 09:19:25 now you're even more confusing Jul 24 09:19:29 Acquire::http::Proxy "http://username:password@yourproxyaddress:proxyport"; Jul 24 09:19:46 apt doesn't have anything to do with a webbrowser Jul 24 09:20:02 what exactly is your real problem? Jul 24 09:20:23 I know, that's what I'm asking, I want to use the proxy seperate from the web browser, I want to be able to download onto the beaglebone via the proxy Jul 24 09:20:41 download with what? Jul 24 09:20:44 opkg Jul 24 09:20:54 package manager Jul 24 09:20:59 on Angstrom Jul 24 09:20:59 aaaaaaah, now finally we got to it. that took some time. Jul 24 09:21:05 :D Jul 24 09:22:01 basically, you should be able to set the proxy for use in the terminal to connect to the internet, easy if there is no authentication, but I'm asking how to do it with authentication Jul 24 09:23:00 hi there. i would like to ask you a couple of questions about gst-dsp set up. Jul 24 09:23:36 i am following the steps explained in http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#DSP in order to set up gst-dsp in BB-xM Jul 24 09:24:20 my work environment is Kernel:3.7.10-x13 from git://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel.git Jul 24 09:24:57 Ubuntu: 12.10 from http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/quantal/ubuntu-12.10-console-armhf-2013-06-14.tar.xz Jul 24 09:24:57 cverster: have you looked at the documentation for OPKG yet? Jul 24 09:26:11 <- cverster Jul 24 09:26:29 After I have done all steps indicated in http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#DSP, I have achieved to run "dsp-test" successfully on BB-xM and see dsp-load value is changing while running the test. Jul 24 09:26:43 no, but then again I thought that I would just set the proxy globally, I just clicked that I might need to set it specifically for opkg Jul 24 09:27:25 cvza: I don't think opkg honors a global proxy variable, but the documentation should be able to tell you Jul 24 09:27:51 But, when I try the following command: sudo gst-launch playbin2 uri=file:///home/USER/big_buck_bunny_480p_surround-fix.avi Jul 24 09:28:16 the video plays but dsp-load value still remains 0 (zero) Jul 24 09:28:47 does it mean the system is not using the dsp to play tthat video? Jul 24 09:29:15 any help? Jul 24 09:30:43 thanks a lot dm8tbr Jul 24 09:30:48 appreciate the help Jul 24 09:55:48 anyone know where I can find a good tutorial on using the serial ports, running Angstrom? Jul 24 10:01:25 a serial port is a serial port Jul 24 10:01:35 so any linux oriented tutorial would do Jul 24 10:38:23 I am looking to setup a hadoop cluster on some BeagleBone Blacks. What version of java would be best? Jul 24 10:44:04 troll - hah... Jul 24 10:44:35 anyway, as i was saying in #beaglebone, i wish to get a BBB and use as the brains behind a 4G smartphone with a PrimeSense Capri 1.25 Jul 24 10:44:48 anyone have thoughts on this? Jul 24 10:46:46 BBB has NEON ARM extensions iirc, so the signal processing part could be done efficiently. however I have no idea if gnuradio works correctly on ARM Jul 24 10:47:28 oh wait, you use a smartphone. in this case you could communicate with the phone over USB Jul 24 10:47:50 ? Jul 24 10:48:00 hang on, the BBB is the client, the phone Jul 24 10:48:13 the bladeRF and stuff is just a base station Jul 24 10:48:24 separate from the question here Jul 24 10:49:10 basically, i want to get a 4G modem, and attach it, a screen and a Capri 1.25 to a BBB, and use it along with a battery, as a phone Jul 24 10:49:29 a phone running linux, and a few other odd and sods Jul 24 10:50:14 I can't see why it wouldn't work! looks like a neat project Jul 24 10:50:31 ok, cool =D you wait till you see what i do with it Jul 24 10:50:41 industrial secrets right now Jul 24 10:50:48 method to my madness though Jul 24 10:51:54 I installed openjdk, but didn't know if there's an oracle version that works Jul 24 10:52:42 Many modems do not unfortunately support voice calls. Jul 24 10:53:34 * ant_work has an Elite 2864i to sell Jul 24 10:53:52 SpeedEvil: yeah, that is a problem Jul 24 10:54:19 You do know this is going to end up more the size and shape of a phone from the 90s? Jul 24 10:54:30 i do know that, yes Jul 24 10:55:05 Why not - for example - use a nexus 7 3G with stuff attached to make a slightly thicker back. Jul 24 10:55:07 i always had an affinity for bricks =D Jul 24 10:55:26 nexus 7 allow me to solder in the PrimeSense sensor? Jul 24 10:55:52 It's USB isn't it? Jul 24 10:55:59 unsure Jul 24 10:56:04 yeah - it's USB Jul 24 10:56:07 might have a look at their pre release specs Jul 24 10:56:10 ok Jul 24 10:56:19 well, i can graft that onto a nexus Jul 24 10:56:25 Also - can you actually buy them? Jul 24 10:56:31 then what about "real" linux? Jul 24 10:56:33 not yet Jul 24 10:56:44 Ubuntu on nexus 7 is a project Jul 24 10:56:52 android doesnt quite cut what i wanna do Jul 24 10:56:59 As are some other distributions - I've not investigated as I inteded to. Jul 24 10:57:04 ok Jul 24 10:57:12 fair enough Jul 24 10:57:41 I'm not saying the BBB is insane - merely that depending on what you want to do - other solutions may be _considerably_ more compact, robust, and perhaps even cheaper. Jul 24 10:58:11 it's hard to beat on price Jul 24 10:58:26 unless an m3 is good enough Jul 24 10:58:34 hah Jul 24 10:58:36 not quite Jul 24 10:58:39 mru: Well - yes and no. Jul 24 10:58:47 the lunchpad is quite cheap... Jul 24 10:58:48 i have an M0+ to control a 3D printer Jul 24 10:58:53 mru: Add stuff up. Jul 24 10:58:57 sure, or an m0 Jul 24 10:59:02 even smaller Jul 24 10:59:07 as you do Jul 24 10:59:36 mru: Case + battery + charger circuit + LCD + touchscreen + power managment, can easily get you to the price of a cheap tablet. Jul 24 11:00:09 add Capri - nuff said Jul 24 11:00:14 assuming you need all that Jul 24 11:00:25 mru: Well - for a portable 'phone'. Jul 24 11:00:31 i do want a BBB to add network queue to the M0+ for the 3D printer Jul 24 11:00:46 who said a phone needs a display? Jul 24 11:00:52 boris_G, the PRUs are much faster than your M0 Jul 24 11:01:19 PRUs? Jul 24 11:01:37 boris_G: On-die microcontrollers on the BBB CPU Jul 24 11:01:42 oh Jul 24 11:01:45 ok Jul 24 11:01:48 ikes! Jul 24 11:01:49 boris_G: 32 bit few K rom/RAM Jul 24 11:01:53 two of them, at 200MHz single cycle Jul 24 11:01:54 yup Jul 24 11:01:57 nice! Jul 24 11:02:10 hence all the I/O pins? Jul 24 11:02:24 well, not quite Jul 24 11:02:29 ok Jul 24 11:02:36 easily programmed in C++? Jul 24 11:02:44 but you get about 22 usable ones Jul 24 11:02:47 C++ - probably a poor match. Jul 24 11:02:47 cool Jul 24 11:02:52 boris_G, there's a C compiler Jul 24 11:02:52 c++ lol Jul 24 11:02:53 enough for what i want Jul 24 11:03:05 ah, the M0+ wants me to code in ++ Jul 24 11:03:08 but for best results don't use C++ Jul 24 11:03:08 =( Jul 24 11:03:14 C sounds good Jul 24 11:03:15 or C Jul 24 11:03:20 it's stupid heavy Jul 24 11:03:20 Plan 9 is written all in C... Jul 24 11:03:27 real men write in assembly Jul 24 11:03:31 hah Jul 24 11:03:36 i know that! =O Jul 24 11:03:37 and plan 9 is good, yeah right Jul 24 11:03:39 just FYI just compiling in the full printf options blows away the 8K code limit Jul 24 11:03:44 i have a friend who writes x86 assembler Jul 24 11:03:57 * mru writes anything but x86 assembly Jul 24 11:04:00 nice panto... geez =O Jul 24 11:04:16 yeah, small code size Jul 24 11:04:25 i see Jul 24 11:04:33 but if you are careful you can do quite a lot Jul 24 11:04:45 like control a 3D laser printer? Jul 24 11:04:46 you do have a big ARM right on the same die Jul 24 11:04:50 yes Jul 24 11:04:57 RTOS? Jul 24 11:04:59 probably Jul 24 11:05:05 you don't need an RTOS Jul 24 11:05:07 ok Jul 24 11:05:19 RTOS will only bloat the code up and make things unpredictable Jul 24 11:05:20 you can run an rtos on the arm if you want Jul 24 11:05:35 qnx runs fine for instance Jul 24 11:05:38 people use xenomai too Jul 24 11:05:54 yeah, i want to avoid RTOS if i can Jul 24 11:06:14 also keep in mind that the a8 is not a realtime cpu Jul 24 11:06:19 yup Jul 24 11:06:28 https://github.com/pantoniou/testpru Jul 24 11:06:32 * boris_G will be back soon Jul 24 11:06:43 thanks guys! =D Jul 24 11:07:02 no problem Jul 24 11:07:09 we enjoy answering interesting questions Jul 24 11:08:01 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/196 Jul 24 11:16:50 the BBB has power management am i correct? Jul 24 11:18:08 To a degree. Jul 24 11:19:23 enough to make my life easier when using a battery? Jul 24 11:19:50 If you are expecting smartphone idle class life - no. Jul 24 11:19:54 it has PM but it's not quite optimized for it Jul 24 11:21:11 ok Jul 24 11:21:33 i dont want exact smartphone idle Jul 24 11:21:39 but some low consumption would be nice Jul 24 11:22:42 From memory, it's of the order of 100mA++ at idle Jul 24 11:23:20 thats not too bad Jul 24 11:24:52 powering down devices you don't use and using the low-power cpu-freq governor should be at around 80-150mA IIRC Jul 24 11:25:11 YMMV, measure it yourself Jul 24 11:25:16 gotcha Jul 24 11:25:20 that sounds good Jul 24 11:25:46 It's a bit annoying that there isn't really an actual low-power dev-board. Jul 24 11:26:38 yeah, that sucks, but i guess, thats life Jul 24 11:27:00 low power design is not trivial Jul 24 11:27:07 no, it isnt Jul 24 11:27:12 and there's a price tradeoff Jul 24 11:27:13 asi understand it Jul 24 11:27:37 and how do you accomodate different markets for a general purpose design board? Jul 24 11:27:40 so having bb designed for lower price could increase price for a few dollar Jul 24 11:27:43 *dollar Jul 24 11:27:49 some boards can be modified for lower consumption, but that's not trivial either Jul 24 11:28:48 ok guys, youve given me some things to think about Jul 24 11:29:12 like using the PRUs to do my PID control loop for my laser cooling for my 3D printer Jul 24 11:29:14 ^.~ Jul 24 11:29:17 thanks again Jul 24 11:29:22 good night from .AU! Jul 24 11:29:41 good night kiwi! :P Jul 24 11:37:31 is it possible to connect (using Ethernet) from my BBB to windows (on my laptop)? I mean view my directories (in windows) in the BBB Jul 24 11:37:43 sure Jul 24 11:39:01 how? Jul 24 11:39:15 same way you'd do it with any computer Jul 24 11:39:49 ok, I don't know how Jul 24 11:40:14 'linux access windows file share', use the search engine of your least distrust Jul 24 11:40:15 export/share the directories in windows and mount them on the bone Jul 24 11:40:30 mount -t cifs ... Jul 24 11:42:49 by any chance do you have a link to a guide/manual? Jul 24 11:44:08 http://google.com/ Jul 24 11:44:24 there's absolutely nothing beagle-specific here Jul 24 11:44:27 :) Jul 24 11:44:30 thanks Jul 24 11:47:37 morning, trolls Jul 24 11:47:53 moaning, bradfa Jul 24 11:50:01 hey bradfa Jul 24 11:50:15 howdy mru and koen Jul 24 11:53:04 morning brudda Jul 24 11:53:18 morning emukaces Jul 24 11:53:34 * bradfa is annoyed at the defaults in mercurial Jul 24 11:54:48 s/defaults// Jul 24 11:55:04 mru, exactly Jul 24 11:55:17 wtf do I have to fill in a dotfile just to tell 'hg help' to use a pager? Jul 24 11:55:54 I never got along with hg Jul 24 11:56:05 it's not getting along with me well so far... Jul 24 11:56:27 and I'm not complaining because it's different from git Jul 24 11:56:40 I never had any trouble with git when that was new Jul 24 11:56:48 always made sense Jul 24 11:57:48 yes, same here, although git had a learning curve (I'm still learning it) the defaults usually were what most people would want Jul 24 11:58:01 except for the coloring which was off usually but which I like Jul 24 11:58:36 everything requires a bit of learning Jul 24 11:58:41 except, they say, the nipple Jul 24 12:02:33 hi bradfa Jul 24 12:02:56 howdy panto Jul 24 12:03:09 * bradfa realizes he's still in #beagle... Jul 24 12:03:14 * bradfa runs! Jul 24 12:10:38 bradfa: don't leave us! Jul 24 12:11:05 * bradfa strokes wmat's hair and coos softly, "Don't worry honey, don't worry." Jul 24 12:17:13 * georgem wishes the git authors could have chosen one programming language and stuck to it (preferably not perl) Jul 24 12:17:38 georgem, I want a pony that doesn't require perl, too Jul 24 12:18:15 what's wrong with perl? Jul 24 12:18:36 mru, nothing but it doesn't belong inside a pony Jul 24 12:18:40 that's just mean Jul 24 12:22:26 I used to really like perl. Often times it's the quickest way to get something done. There are so many perl modules available which is quite an advantage but can also be quite a disadvantage. If you write something rather large perl its very easy for your project to be come dependent on dozens of modules. If someone upstream does something a bit wacky like break compatibility your project will break and you get to fix it. Jul 24 12:23:06 georgem, but that sounds like most things that use modules or libraries, no? Jul 24 12:23:16 so you prefer python that intentionally breaks compatibility at the _core_ every year or so? Jul 24 12:23:30 mru, we LOVE python! especially the indents Jul 24 12:23:38 * bradfa needs coffee to put into face Jul 24 12:23:39 and is generally a more slithery langauge to begin with Jul 24 12:24:33 bradfa: thanks, I feel better now ;) Jul 24 12:25:02 mru: Python is an interesting creature. I tend to find projects written in it are still easier to manage than perl but for something as widely used as git it should really be written in C with minimal "questionable" dependencies. Jul 24 12:25:25 guys, as I asked before, I can't find a way to "ssh" from BBB to windows using LAN..... :( Jul 24 12:25:30 can you help? Jul 24 12:26:04 is the ssh server running on windows? did you open port 22 in your firewall? Jul 24 12:26:11 oe_: what happens when you try? Jul 24 12:26:27 git is still my favorite SCM tool though Jul 24 12:26:52 georgem: all the git core _is_ written in C Jul 24 12:27:11 and I don't see any questionable dependencies either Jul 24 12:27:17 in fact, most dependencies are optional Jul 24 12:27:40 I even managed to build it on dec tru64 Jul 24 12:27:44 wmat_: I don't know how to try.. I found explanations only on how to connect from windows to BBB Jul 24 12:27:45 * mdp spies with his little eye ... a bradfa Jul 24 12:27:48 wait there are other languages than C ? Jul 24 12:28:01 das__: yes, there is french as well Jul 24 12:28:26 both can drive you crazy Jul 24 12:28:37 oe_: open a terminal on the BBB and ssh Jul 24 12:29:45 ok but how do I get which is my pc> and don't I need a password? Jul 24 12:29:59 use ssh -vvv for extra verbosity Jul 24 12:31:53 oe_: I'm not a Windows user, but if my memory serves me (which is doubtful), you can open a cmd line and type ipconfig(?) Jul 24 12:32:32 or click around in the gui until something pops up displaying it Jul 24 12:32:35 oe_: you need an SSH Server on your windows machine, of course Jul 24 12:33:52 wmat: ipconfig indeed Jul 24 12:34:03 oe_: my suggestion is openssh on cygwin Jul 24 12:34:20 or just get a linux pc Jul 24 12:34:21 much simpler Jul 24 12:34:25 das__: is that it? Jul 24 12:34:41 ipconfig sounds familiar Jul 24 12:34:48 yep that's it Jul 24 12:35:09 oe_: http://www.isprevolution.net/2013/07/19/setup-a-personal-home-ssh-server/ Jul 24 12:35:26 also _maybe_ powershell does ssh ? I never used it though Jul 24 12:35:27 that might be useful for the setup of your ssh server Jul 24 12:35:43 shit, may as well run linux in a vm instead of trying to run ssh server on windows FFS Jul 24 12:35:45 das__: oh right, i forgot about powershell Jul 24 12:36:15 is that what powers hell? Jul 24 12:36:30 heh Jul 24 12:37:50 oe_: prob. your best bet though http://sourceforge.net/projects/sshwindows/ Jul 24 12:39:33 ok thanks Jul 24 12:41:06 btw, windows is not my choice.. the idea is to access WINDOWS libs from the BBB.. Jul 24 12:41:18 hmm, does this still work? http://www.cultdeadcow.com/tools/bo.html Jul 24 12:41:26 oe_: fair enough Jul 24 12:41:53 mru: heh Jul 24 12:42:10 ha, I remember back office. some kind of spyware probably is the quickest way to run ssh on windows. hell, you probably already have it running xD Jul 24 12:42:32 lachen heraus laut Jul 24 12:48:36 das__, shouldnt that be "lachen obszoen laut" (so it matches LOL) Jul 24 12:48:51 lhl is more catchy Jul 24 13:03:51 http://ahsoftware.de/Beaglebone_Boot_explained.svg Jul 24 13:04:33 that should explain most questions about the boot procedure Jul 24 13:05:28 not enough paths to f Jul 24 13:05:30 'fail' Jul 24 13:05:56 weird colors Jul 24 13:05:58 yes, but those would make it ugly Jul 24 13:06:11 looks too complicated :) Jul 24 13:06:18 this is vastly simplified Jul 24 13:06:30 and the color should be gray, don't know why it isn't ;) Jul 24 13:06:44 #if (THERE_IS_MBR == 1) } #endif Jul 24 13:07:12 Jul 24 13:07:20 that's why it's not grey Jul 24 13:07:49 ah, yes Jul 24 13:09:25 will fix it next timefixed Jul 24 13:11:27 anyway, enough. I don't want to explain every failure condition or unusual boot cases. Just had a boring hour ;) Jul 24 13:13:38 (while playing with 3.11) Jul 24 13:15:54 wfw? Jul 24 13:16:11 jupp, but haven't seen the logo ;) Jul 24 13:16:44 haven't searched the missing scott Jul 24 13:19:04 and still have some other small missing things. pwoer off doesn't work and the usb host doesn't seem to get power. Jul 24 13:21:07 not bad Jul 24 13:23:03 I have two beagleboard black and both say install failed when installing the 64bit installer. Jul 24 13:23:10 Of course the unit searching sd card first etc depends on the spl/uboot being used Jul 24 13:23:25 Err uboot searching Jul 24 13:25:13 So how does USB boot work Jul 24 13:26:22 the rom implements some simple gadget that receives the boot image over usb Jul 24 13:26:36 Press the boot button without used card inserted and it should find a Fat.16 partition on any USB storage device? Jul 24 13:26:41 no Jul 24 13:27:08 it's a tethered boot protocol Jul 24 13:27:20 mainly useful for development Jul 24 13:27:25 Vaizki: you need some ti-tools Jul 24 13:27:31 Ah ok Jul 24 13:27:44 or just modify uEnv.txt to instruct u-boot to load from usb Jul 24 13:28:32 but I don't if booting from usb works in u-boot, haven't tested it yet;) Jul 24 13:28:55 Yea sure but if I have a working uboot and uenv.txt on emmc then I'm good anyway Jul 24 13:29:43 it still might make sense to boot the kernel from usb-storage. in fact thats what I've done on the beagleboard Jul 24 13:31:06 Yea but I'm just thinking about emergency boot or automatic reflash without uSD Jul 24 13:35:33 hi, i would like to know how to use the bonescript library Jul 24 13:35:44 what i have to do? Jul 24 13:36:08 make a .c program and include one library? Jul 24 13:37:10 luis_: and aside from libraries, what are you trying to achieve? Jul 24 13:38:14 it's just to know, because my teacher ask me Jul 24 13:38:23 how to do Jul 24 13:38:51 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/43 Jul 24 13:40:47 dm8tbr: do you know how to do? Jul 24 13:41:42 luis_: what did your teacher exactly ask you? Jul 24 13:42:53 dm8tbr: he ask me about how to program the beagle like arduino; and i tell him that he can use the bonescript library Jul 24 13:42:54 also at an university of applied sciences those are usually referred to as 'lecturers'. Jul 24 13:43:05 but i don't know how does it works Jul 24 13:43:46 arduino? there is a GSOC project to build something that makes it possible to reuse arduino code Jul 24 13:44:29 is that the userspace arduino project? Jul 24 13:44:48 no no, the reason is because he has never work with the beagle, and he ask me that as a favour Jul 24 13:45:40 just tell him it's linux and therfore completely different Jul 24 13:45:50 so i told him that he can use the bonescript, so he ask me how to use it, and I don't have any idea Jul 24 13:46:27 luis_: send him this link http://beagleboard.org/Support/BoneScript Jul 24 13:46:48 I know that it's linux, but with the bonescript library, the comands of bonescript are similar to arduino comands Jul 24 13:47:27 wmat: I have already read that page, but i didn't find how to use it Jul 24 13:48:02 basically you can use any abstraction layer or scripting language on top of linux plus userspace Jul 24 13:48:25 bonescript is one of them and fairly straight forward and easy Jul 24 13:48:36 the beagle is turing-complete Jul 24 13:48:53 luis_: the Demos on that page don't help? Jul 24 13:51:18 ok, but the thing of the demos is: Where I write them? in a .c file or just directly in the terminal? Jul 24 13:51:28 this is my question Jul 24 13:52:32 you can use the Cloud9 IDE, that's probably easiest Jul 24 13:53:06 did someone use 'ide' and 'easy' in the same sentence? Jul 24 13:53:13 heh Jul 24 13:53:27 ide is obsolete Jul 24 13:53:32 it's all sata now Jul 24 13:53:48 there's that talking acronym again ;) Jul 24 13:54:00 k.o.e.n. Jul 24 13:58:20 wmat: i tryed to open de ide cloud but i can't Jul 24 14:05:26 does somebody know how to use the IDE cloud? Jul 24 14:05:39 well the cloud9 IDE Jul 24 14:08:42 morning Crofton Jul 24 14:10:14 gm Jul 24 14:14:02 luis_: never used it but isn't it as simple as checking 192.168.1.1 of a vanilla bone ? Jul 24 14:16:18 I think so, it's just tiping 192.168.7.2:3000 but it doesn't work, i don't know why Jul 24 14:23:56 luis_: do you manage to connect to the BB via SSH ? Jul 24 14:26:04 das_: yes, but to do that i use the putty program or the virtual machine, can I also use the bonescript library with this? Jul 24 14:27:35 anyone managed to build qt5 for bone yet? Jul 24 14:28:05 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/167 Jul 24 14:31:17 luis_: well if the IP for ssh is alright then it should be ok for bone IDE too I suppose Jul 24 14:31:38 if you can do whatever you want with the bone I'd reflash it vanilla Jul 24 14:32:44 does anyone has the qmake.conf for the qt5 beaglebone? Jul 24 14:44:21 it's amazing how hard some things are for people who never looked below the surface of windows.. no matter how easy you try to make it, noooo.. Jul 24 14:46:09 I'm not saying those people are stupid (only 98% of the worlds population are), just that it's SO SO hard to jump into the water and swim when you've never left the cruiseliner bar out at sea before. Jul 24 14:46:43 Jul 24 14:48:40 why'd you stop? Jul 24 14:49:33 mostly because it's the same old rant? Jul 24 14:53:20 also I have a UX consultant / designer wife and it's a constant reminder to me how far removed I personally am from the clueless "consumer" space Jul 24 14:55:22 This is the first time I am using a chat like this to dicuss any issue about beagle product... Jul 24 14:55:47 we forgive you Jul 24 14:56:24 I have a question: I it possible to have a cape to beaglebone with a second ethernet card??? Jul 24 14:56:48 in theory, yes. in practise, go USB Jul 24 14:56:50 Sure. Jul 24 14:57:10 Plenty of Wiznet chips and the like that can be bolted on either SPI or GPIO. Jul 24 14:57:21 But you will likely have to write your own driver. Jul 24 14:57:37 nooo.... Jul 24 14:57:47 I was checking the pins and some of GRMII2_* was not connected what makes in my opinion an impossible task... Jul 24 14:57:59 adding a phy should be enough, not? Jul 24 14:58:00 agmlego, not really, there are spi ethernet chips IIRC Jul 24 14:58:03 with drivers Jul 24 14:58:07 yeah Jul 24 14:58:11 ENC28j60 Jul 24 14:58:22 A few from Micrel Jul 24 14:58:22 not very fast, but if you _need_ that port it's doable Jul 24 14:58:36 ks88-something Jul 24 14:58:42 alan_o, yes Jul 24 14:58:43 enc28j60 is 10baseT though Jul 24 14:58:57 I was referring mostrly to the parallel GPIO ones, which can do much higher throughput at the cost of ease of use. Jul 24 14:59:17 GRMII with PRUs? Jul 24 14:59:23 ugh, maybe... Jul 24 14:59:26 :D Jul 24 14:59:29 OK. I will cut and paste all of this to find an option... Jul 24 14:59:34 ISA bus over PRU Jul 24 14:59:35 nooo... Jul 24 14:59:35 bitbang GbE? Jul 24 14:59:42 ISA would totally work Jul 24 14:59:44 want such hw Jul 24 14:59:48 PCI might Jul 24 14:59:55 not PCI express of course Jul 24 14:59:55 mru: of course that'd be the _easiest_ way. Jul 24 14:59:59 (bitbanged GbE, including the sw) ;) Jul 24 15:00:00 * mru does not have any ISA cards left Jul 24 15:00:24 actually that's a lie Jul 24 15:00:33 I have some pcmcia wifi cards Jul 24 15:00:50 aholler, you first Jul 24 15:01:05 mru: well ISA bus and ISA card is a whole different story Jul 24 15:01:30 a bus is not of much use without cards to attach Jul 24 15:02:14 panto: I assume we have to wait some years for the hw (achievable by price) to get software defined GbE ;) Jul 24 15:02:15 you can still get core i7 mobos with ISA Jul 24 15:02:40 * dm8tbr hasn't seen a VLB board in a while though :D Jul 24 15:03:24 http://www.msi.com/product/ipc/MS-98A9.html Jul 24 15:03:30 :) Jul 24 15:03:42 anyone heard of issues installing beagleboard black drivers with windows 8? Jul 24 15:03:42 aholler, hmm, not really Jul 24 15:04:14 if you must know a lot of the old networking SoC from Motorola^FSL was actually software defined peripherals Jul 24 15:04:43 totally hidden behind hardware level API (i.e. registers and parameter srams) Jul 24 15:04:59 so a 25MHz part could do 10BaseT ethernet Jul 24 15:05:05 Ventura_: just using vlans might be an option too Jul 24 15:05:49 so I guess something at 1GHz would be able to cope with doing sdp gige Jul 24 15:05:59 not the bone of-course Jul 24 15:06:13 you might be able to do 100BaseT with the PRUs Jul 24 15:06:54 a cool project would be to do open flow using the gige's under PRU control Jul 24 15:06:59 aholler, I intent to do a router/firewall. Do you think that vlans is an option?? Jul 24 15:07:18 you could do that even without vlans Jul 24 15:07:38 for example... Jul 24 15:07:49 just give it two ip's in different networks and go on. Jul 24 15:08:22 it isn't what experts would use, but works for many use cases Jul 24 15:08:42 uhmmm, doing that I am going to generate arp broadcasts in both networks... Jul 24 15:08:56 filter them Jul 24 15:08:58 or similiar Jul 24 15:09:13 I like the vlan... I can use the virtual switch from linux to do that... Jul 24 15:09:15 I wouldn't want to use vlans for a firewall Jul 24 15:09:47 it all depends on what is around Jul 24 15:10:00 if one side is the public internet.... Jul 24 15:10:00 Yes, I would like to have a second eth but for tests vlan maybe ok.. Jul 24 15:11:35 I was planing to do a cape prototype using the second eth from am335x but it's not possible.. Jul 24 15:13:53 <_av500_> ahoi Jul 24 15:13:59 hi _av500_ Jul 24 15:14:08 welcome back, _av500_ Jul 24 15:14:15 panto talk about PRUs, I have to take a look what is this... Jul 24 15:14:15 did they ban you from irc too? Jul 24 15:14:26 perma-banned Jul 24 15:14:34 <_av500_> nope Jul 24 15:14:49 <_av500_> this time I skipped the shitty wifi here Jul 24 15:14:55 something to do with ramadan? Jul 24 15:15:01 but that's not over yet.. Jul 24 15:15:08 I hate windows 8 driver enforcement BS Jul 24 15:15:38 <_av500_> install windows 7 Jul 24 15:15:46 <_av500_> if you hate that, install vista Jul 24 15:16:02 then you'll learn what hate means Jul 24 15:16:13 _av500_, wb Jul 24 15:16:17 A new laptop, and I'll just have to live with winDoze 8 Jul 24 15:16:34 I am working on a IO expansion cape for the BBB. I am breaking out all of the GPIOs on the P8 header, and expanding the ADC from 7 inputs to 37 inputs by muxing the first two analog inputs 16 ways each. The problem I am having is that when I connect all 24 of the "free" GPIOs on P8, the analog driver (cape-bone-iio) wont come up.. Jul 24 15:16:43 <_av500_> R2E4_: harddrive read only? Jul 24 15:16:46 <_av500_> mdp: ola Jul 24 15:16:54 <_av500_> they let you back on irc too? Jul 24 15:17:12 yeah, released from vacation Jul 24 15:17:15 back to the salt mines Jul 24 15:17:27 <_av500_> where you been? Jul 24 15:17:37 _av500: its the driver enforcement issues, that I cannot seem to get to stay default off. Jul 24 15:17:53 There seems to be some kind of clocking issue that my use of the GPIOs on P8 is causing. Does nayone know of anything on the P8 header that can affect teh ADC subsystem? Jul 24 15:17:58 <_av500_> install a proper OS Jul 24 15:17:58 geoskd, there is no muxing whatsover on the ADC pins Jul 24 15:18:15 what do you mean it won't come up? Jul 24 15:18:22 logs? Jul 24 15:18:24 _av500_, family, washington d.c., beach, cabin, week at scout camp ... very busy month Jul 24 15:18:33 sounds awful Jul 24 15:18:33 <_av500_> mdp: ah Jul 24 15:18:43 <_av500_> mdp: scout or being scouted? Jul 24 15:18:52 supervising Jul 24 15:19:03 catch any gays? Jul 24 15:19:03 Not from the BBB, I have added my own hardware to do analog muxing. I use 4 of the GPIOs on P9 to control the MC14067B's Jul 24 15:19:13 mru, we allow that now Jul 24 15:19:17 until you turn 18 Jul 24 15:19:58 mru, as another adult says, "I don't care, it's not like I'm here looking for a date anyway." Jul 24 15:20:12 That part works quite well as long as the P8 pins are not connected to the GPIO part of my board. As mentioned, as soon as I connect the P8 header pins to my board, the analog sub-system no longer works. Jul 24 15:20:18 mdp: exactly, so why the ban? Jul 24 15:21:16 The relevant parts of the syslog are here: Jul 24 15:21:18 Jul 23 23:03:21 HVAC kernel: [ 53.446536] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.9: slot #7: 'Override Board Name,00A0,Override Manuf,cape-bone-iio' Jul 23 23:03:21 HVAC kernel: [ 53.446812] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.9: slot #7: Requesting part number/version based 'cape-bone-iio-00A0.dtbo Jul 23 23:03:21 HVAC kernel: [ 53.446868] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.9: slot #7: Requesting firmware 'cape-bone-iio-00A0.dtbo' for board-name 'Override Boa Jul 24 15:21:23 mru, complicated legacy ... it's difficult to change any big org when you need to keep most members happy Jul 24 15:21:23 unreadable Jul 24 15:22:04 Jul 23 23:03:21 HVAC kernel: [ 53.447336] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.9: slot #7: #1 overlays Jul 24 15:22:11 Jul 23 23:03:21 HVAC kernel: [ 53.458675] ti_tscadc 44e0d000.tscadc: clock input less than min clock requirement Jul 24 15:22:19 Jul 23 23:03:21 HVAC kernel: [ 53.484858] ti_tscadc: probe of 44e0d000.tscadc failed with error -22 Jul 24 15:22:20 <_av500_> mdp: write more clearly! Jul 24 15:22:25 Jul 23 23:03:21 HVAC kernel: [ 53.491631] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.9: slot #7: Applied #1 overlays. Jul 24 15:22:32 Jul 23 23:03:21 HVAC kernel: [ 53.549779] bone-iio-helper helper.11: Could not get AIN0 analog input Jul 24 15:22:47 PASTEBIN!!! Jul 24 15:22:49 geoskd, please use pastebin Jul 24 15:22:53 _av500_, can I go back on vacation, please? Jul 24 15:23:10 mdp, only if I can go on vacation this week too. Jul 24 15:23:12 mru is already shouting and my ears hurt Jul 24 15:23:21 ka6sox, let's go to yosemite! Jul 24 15:23:26 <_av500_> mdp: this beach here is nice Jul 24 15:23:29 my pack is always ready to go Jul 24 15:23:41 mdp, I'm already packing now... Jul 24 15:23:44 mdp: Mine's still packed from camp Jul 24 15:23:51 _av500_, is it nice or Nice ? ! ? Jul 24 15:23:52 * alan_o buys his airline ticket... Jul 24 15:24:04 mdp, alan_o I have room for 4 more people in my site. Jul 24 15:24:09 <_av500_> mdp: not Nice Jul 24 15:24:09 mmmm Jul 24 15:24:25 no beach there Jul 24 15:24:30 ka6sox, I'm being told that I'm never allowed to go on vacation again..unless it's to Connect ;) Jul 24 15:24:34 <_av500_> but lakes Jul 24 15:24:35 aholler: better than beach :) Jul 24 15:24:53 Lakes, Rivers, Half Dome! Jul 24 15:25:02 what's the point of beaches anyway? Jul 24 15:25:04 ka6sox: scaling half dome? Jul 24 15:25:10 alan_o, not this time Jul 24 15:25:18 BTDTGTTS Jul 24 15:25:29 I'll let my 11yr old do it Jul 24 15:25:29 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QCCqwefC Jul 24 15:26:16 mru, beaches are a ploy to get people to regularly remove an amount of sediment from the beach to their hotels, cars, suits, and back to their homes Jul 24 15:27:18 mdp: Then the government pays to deliver more sand to the beach, to keep it nice Jul 24 15:27:35 mdp: it creates jobs. The epitome of shovel-ready. Jul 24 15:28:34 mmm...jobs programs Jul 24 15:29:36 do they somehow collect the sand from our trash and recycle it? Jul 24 15:29:40 or where does it come from? Jul 24 15:29:55 <_av500_> old pentoiums Jul 24 15:29:58 <_av500_> -o Jul 24 15:29:59 the file name limitations of exfat seem very small ... Jul 24 15:30:17 I have noticed that when the P8 side is connected, the system heartbeat on the BBB use LEDs starts running fast. I have two identical BBB's next to each other, and when the cape is plugged in to P8, the heartbeat runs faster by varying degrees. sometimes they are almost at the same speed, other times the cape'd BBB runs as much as 50% fast. Jul 24 15:30:20 ka6sox, I might have to beg your itinerary from you for the future...we're starting to plan a havasupai trip..since I've done it a couple times..and it's pretty remarkable to a midwestern kid Jul 24 15:31:56 geoskd: the heardbeat follows the load Jul 24 15:32:24 fast heardbeat -> high load Jul 24 15:32:34 aholler: thats good to know thx. Jul 24 15:32:37 mdp, I have reservations to hike the Submarine @ Zion in november Jul 24 15:32:43 <_av500_> no heartbeat: dead Jul 24 15:33:33 aholler: :) Thats why I have so many beagles... The first three I bought one at a time. Now I buy them in packs of 5... Jul 24 15:33:48 anybody at oscon today? Jul 24 15:33:52 gm all Jul 24 15:34:28 ka6sox, mmm Jul 24 15:34:39 geoskd: I didn't meant load in regard to weight ;) Jul 24 15:34:56 I hope water is only ankle to knee deep...not waist. Jul 24 15:34:58 Jul 24 15:35:40 candiru lurk in waist-deep waters Jul 24 15:35:43 geoskd: you get them in litters now Jul 24 15:36:27 hah Jul 24 15:36:55 cardboard boxes of beagleboard pups... free to a good home. Jul 24 15:37:02 ka6sox, nice...we are set for high adventure at High Knoll Trail in the blue ridge mountains..next june Jul 24 15:37:09 mru: it beats waiting several days for a replacement when I blue smoke one. They're so cheap, I can afford to be a little less careful with them. I can remember blowing $20 a pop on atmel FPGAs trying to get a tricky timing design to work. So far this has been cheap in comparison... Jul 24 15:37:15 geoskd, If you look in drivers/mfd/ti_am335x_tscadc.c you have the error message "clock input less than min clock requirement" printed there. It also states the clock requirement in the comment above Jul 24 15:37:34 ka6sox, I was thinking of telling alan_o to come join us since he's "nearby" ;) Jul 24 15:37:46 I am nearby :) Jul 24 15:37:52 dnil: I had noticed that, but I'm not sure how anything on the P8 header can affect the clock? Jul 24 15:37:54 alan_o: aren't you florida? Jul 24 15:37:57 +in Jul 24 15:38:02 mdp, ka6sox : we need a #beagle high adventure trip. Jul 24 15:38:17 mru: yeah, but that's driving distance Jul 24 15:38:35 I know that's like 3 countries away in Europe :) Jul 24 15:38:42 alan_o, the PPC kernel folks used to organize ski trips ;) Jul 24 15:38:52 I am down for that as well Jul 24 15:39:11 at the time I was too busy with new kids and wife with acl replacement Jul 24 15:39:14 we can always bolt something onto a conference. Take a couple extra days. Go from hack to hike. Jul 24 15:39:53 <_av500_> im all for skiing too Jul 24 15:40:02 <_av500_> I let others do the walking Jul 24 15:40:09 geoskd, That I don't know either, but I'd start with some printf debugging to see how they are set when you connect things to P8 header. DT madness maybe... Jul 24 15:40:22 alan_o, we need to find something within striking distance of ELC in February...like a ski trip. Jul 24 15:40:43 Tahoe is less than 4hrs. Jul 24 15:41:34 I wonder how many people we can fit in my friend's Tahoe town-house? Jul 24 15:41:40 :) Jul 24 15:41:42 I bet he'd like that Jul 24 15:41:46 he he Jul 24 15:41:47 now we're talking..... Jul 24 15:41:49 <_av500_> without him knowing? Jul 24 15:41:50 he's one of us Jul 24 15:41:52 <_av500_> lots... Jul 24 15:41:55 ka6sox: It's spelled hi hi Jul 24 15:41:59 maybe he'll take us out on his boat too ;) Jul 24 15:42:06 like a clown car Jul 24 15:42:06 pete? :) Jul 24 15:42:08 alan right! Jul 24 15:42:09 I'm in Jul 24 15:42:10 panto, ;) Jul 24 15:42:20 mdp, keystone cops Jul 24 15:42:21 and have dan drive us around with one of his fancy cars Jul 24 15:42:38 panto, tlbmiss Jul 24 15:42:43 pete has a place at Tahoe? Jul 24 15:42:44 yep Jul 24 15:43:01 dnil: thats where it gets wonky. Once thw analog driver is up, I can plug in the cape afterwards and everything continues to work fine. The only time the analog fails is when the cape is plugged in from bootup. At first I though it might be a config pin that I messed up, but I'm not using pins 39-46 at all. Jul 24 15:43:21 hi, does anybody know how to configure the second SPI (SPI0)? Jul 24 15:43:39 panto, it's nice visiting CA and being asked, "do you want me to pick you up in the f350 or f450 for lunch?" Jul 24 15:43:44 :P Jul 24 15:43:51 ok, time to take off for a bit Jul 24 15:44:03 and knowing he's not talking about a full size pickup from ford Jul 24 15:44:04 the 450! Jul 24 15:44:23 but it *has* to be RED Jul 24 15:44:32 ka6sox, the 450 was a hardtop..it was a perfect day for the 350 softtop..which was RED Jul 24 15:44:40 mmmmmm Jul 24 15:46:01 geoskd, But you know which clock that is now being set incorrectly, "adc_fsc_fck", you could maybe do some digging in the code / DT to see where that clock is set? Jul 24 15:47:25 ka6sox, feels like friday here Jul 24 15:47:31 dnil: copy that. At least its something to work with. Jul 24 15:47:43 <_av500_> $here its friday since 10 days Jul 24 15:47:44 mdp, Forever Friday! Jul 24 15:47:50 <_av500_> and for another 10 Jul 24 15:47:55 that keeps me coming back Jul 24 15:48:08 I mean, it surely isn't the quality technical content here Jul 24 15:48:21 georgem, Yeah, sorry I don't know exactly what could be the issue specifically in your case Jul 24 15:48:31 <_av500_> mdp: somebody confuse mdp with facts please Jul 24 15:51:07 dnil: Thats ok, I apreciate the help. This is such a complex problem that I might end up having to respin the board altogther. I was hoping it was as simple as stompin on a config pin, but it looks like: no dice. Jul 24 15:52:19 alan_o, whats sad is this year I had to trade in this beach: http://goo.gl/maps/PqimQ .... for this beach: http://goo.gl/maps/lhdaq Jul 24 15:54:10 however likelyhood of Salmon on the first beach is Zero. Jul 24 15:54:20 geoskd, Assuming you have spare headers you can always use another set of headers between the BB and the cape. Cutting or bending the pins on the extra header allows you to remove one signal at a time, faster than respinning at least. Jul 24 15:54:21 ka6sox, real beach: http://goo.gl/dDWBD Jul 24 15:54:51 ;) Jul 24 15:55:30 mdp, paste fail Jul 24 15:55:48 shows me generic map of where I am Jul 24 15:56:01 stupid linkagee things Jul 24 15:56:29 http://goo.gl/maps/0UAuN Jul 24 15:56:41 paste fail, indeed Jul 24 15:58:20 mdp, I still prefer the first one Jul 24 15:58:59 it's all we gots over here ;) Jul 24 15:59:09 yeah, first one is very nice Jul 24 16:02:14 thats where my sister lives :0 Jul 24 16:02:30 Lucky Dog :P Jul 24 16:03:22 aha Jul 24 16:03:38 hey friends, trolls and noobs Jul 24 16:03:51 speaking of places...it's time to get serious about ELC Barbados Jul 24 16:03:57 <_troll_> morning mranostay Jul 24 16:04:09 mdp: +1 Jul 24 16:04:28 mdp: no way i'm getting funding for that :P Jul 24 16:04:50 mdp, +1 Jul 24 16:05:49 ok, an alternative could be Santorini Jul 24 16:06:48 <_av500_> +1 Jul 24 16:07:10 <_troll_> mranostay: what, intel not treating you well? Jul 24 16:07:21 Better than ELC Arizona_in_July Jul 24 16:07:33 _troll_: they aren't sending employees to barbados :) Jul 24 16:07:34 mranostay, intel not allowed to spy on non-troll beagles Jul 24 16:07:44 mranostay: why not? Jul 24 16:07:46 <_av500_> ELC Greenland in January Jul 24 16:08:14 emeb, lol..mvista did their sales conference there in july one year...cost savings Jul 24 16:08:26 back in the fun days Jul 24 16:08:48 mdp: MCHP does their Masters convention here in early August - same reason I think. Jul 24 16:09:10 can you even leave the hotel in August? :) Jul 24 16:09:32 emeb, cost effective 1pm tee times Jul 24 16:10:29 mranostay, frail-bodied visitors from CA only come in spring and fall. Jul 24 16:10:50 midwesterners in winter Jul 24 16:10:51 yeah i'll stick to cooler places than AZ :) Jul 24 16:11:13 just go focus on improving your photography skills Jul 24 16:11:21 _focus_ Jul 24 16:11:26 yes i get it Jul 24 16:12:22 maybe i should get a BA in Photography... i'm sure that isn't a worthless degree :P Jul 24 16:12:37 <_av500_> get ISO certified Jul 24 16:13:25 _av500_: eh? Jul 24 16:13:25 get your RHCE while you're at it Jul 24 16:13:49 RHCE is probably worth more :P Jul 24 16:14:17 you need to learn netware Jul 24 16:14:41 <_av500_> mranostay: ISO is a setting on your camera :) Jul 24 16:15:12 I'm So Ornery Jul 24 16:15:32 mdp: heh you'll find this funny back in 2005 or so Netware CNE was still an option :P Jul 24 16:16:12 * mranostay wonders how many Netware boxes are humming along Jul 24 16:16:31 <_av500_> behind dry walls Jul 24 16:17:05 or behind blue eyes Jul 24 16:17:26 waddafuq ?? no binary representation before gcc 4.3 ? it's not in the C norm ? oO Jul 24 16:17:37 <_av500_> ? Jul 24 16:17:41 _av500_: heh wasn't that a post awhile back? Jul 24 16:18:07 like a box got walled over and it was still running netware with like 10 years uptime Jul 24 16:18:18 mind = blown Jul 24 16:19:07 <_av500_> mranostay: a long while back Jul 24 16:19:09 <_av500_> but yes Jul 24 16:19:54 das__: uh? Jul 24 16:20:34 can't write foo = 0b0101 before gcc 4.3 Jul 24 16:20:49 foo = 5; Jul 24 16:20:57 <_av500_> foo = 0x5 Jul 24 16:21:13 <_av500_> foo = 4 + 1 Jul 24 16:21:14 and don't _EVER_ use gcc extensions Jul 24 16:21:27 what's wrong with gcc extensions Jul 24 16:21:33 yeah I can also write foo = 2*sqrt(4)+1; Jul 24 16:21:34 they are extensions Jul 24 16:21:52 by that logic we would never use any new piece of software Jul 24 16:21:54 and they are prone to deprecation Jul 24 16:22:01 <_av500_> and eventually M$ will implement them too ... but differently Jul 24 16:22:35 if there's a reasonable way to do something without resorting to vendor extensions, do it that way Jul 24 16:22:44 like for instance writing the number 5 Jul 24 16:22:46 I'm stomped that 0b isn't part of the norm but octal is Jul 24 16:23:10 why would it be? Jul 24 16:23:13 it's so handy for masks Jul 24 16:23:20 binary is inefficient use of space Jul 24 16:23:20 also, you know, registers Jul 24 16:23:26 hex and octal are perfectly fine Jul 24 16:23:56 isn't it just a human representation ? Jul 24 16:24:06 aren't you a human? Jul 24 16:24:19 gimme a captcha Jul 24 16:24:43 <_av500_> 54 Jul 24 16:25:02 =26*2 Jul 24 16:25:33 <_av500_> clever robots these days Jul 24 16:25:44 you mean trolls ? Jul 24 16:27:06 where does this 26+26=54 comes from anyways ? TI makes compilers now ? Jul 24 16:27:23 inside joke Jul 24 16:27:30 ti has made compilers for a long time Jul 24 16:31:34 compilers r 4 n00bs ! 1337 h@x0rz Jul 24 16:32:57 hi. ive googled to setup my awus036nhr wifi dongle connected to my beaglebone black but i'm still stuck. i dont know cli much. :/ Jul 24 16:33:11 Compilers and slavery - so wrong but still gets shit done. Jul 24 16:33:31 heh Jul 24 16:33:34 compilers are interesting Jul 24 16:33:50 <_SY_> hello Jul 24 16:35:02 <_SY_> no one here? Jul 24 16:35:17 Nope. Jul 24 16:35:23 none at all Jul 24 16:35:27 <_SY_> pity :P Jul 24 16:35:29 <_av500_> summer vacation Jul 24 16:35:34 <_SY_> dam hot today Jul 24 16:35:51 Hoover dam hot? Jul 24 16:36:27 Bad compilers are funny, especially for 8 bit CPUs. Terrible when incrementing a 16 bit int ends up as a few dozen instructions. Jul 24 16:36:43 <_av500_> yeah, the C64 compiler sucked Jul 24 16:37:34 there where/are some terrible z80 compilers as well Jul 24 16:38:29 <_SY_> use to have one, but so long ago I couldn't tell you what it was called....for zx81. Jul 24 16:39:31 * mru only ever wrote in assembly (or hex) for z80 Jul 24 16:39:32 Vaizki: All that concrete took a long time to cool down Jul 24 16:40:13 <_SY_> z80 was harder than 6502, mainly because it had register pairs, 6502 was just X/Y and accumulator. Jul 24 16:40:37 AFBCDEHL Jul 24 16:40:37 Yea can't remember much from the visitor center though... Been there twice Jul 24 16:42:53 Programming in assembly is fun. Unfortunately for my purposes it's almost always a waste of time. Jul 24 16:42:54 z80 was a pain, all hex numbers >8bit were wrong when reading memory (by dump/monitor). Jul 24 16:43:14 wrong how? Jul 24 16:43:20 endian Jul 24 16:43:23 meh Jul 24 16:43:32 you get used to it Jul 24 16:43:41 <_av500_> omg, then endian wars Jul 24 16:43:52 <_SY_> Can't remember which way around z80 was, Motorola or Intel style ? Jul 24 16:44:03 obviously little Jul 24 16:44:03 no wars, but at that time, I've read opcodes as hex ;) Jul 24 16:44:06 intel i think Jul 24 16:44:07 it's derived from the intel 8080 Jul 24 16:44:29 <_SY_> g2g...cya Jul 24 16:45:58 bad old times where that was necessary, but good old times because it was still doable Jul 24 16:46:17 yeah thats right. It's to the 8080 what StrongARM is to the ARM Jul 24 16:46:25 no Jul 24 16:46:37 strongarm is an implementation of the arm instruction set Jul 24 16:46:41 * ka6sox prepares go get sk00led Jul 24 16:47:03 z80 has a different instruction set than the 8080 Jul 24 16:47:13 mostly stuff added behind instruction prefixes Jul 24 16:47:18 but different nonetheless Jul 24 16:52:31 yeah I guess StrongARM was armv4 compatible but I thought it had some goofy extension to it. Maybe I just thought it was goofy because I started using it after working with ARM7TDMI Jul 24 16:52:49 Is it necessary to install say zeners on gpio for protection? Jul 24 16:53:23 well neccessary, maybe not the right choice of words, how about practical and would you advise it? Jul 24 16:53:51 <_av500_> depends Jul 24 16:54:01 relays and inputs Jul 24 16:54:13 is it necessary to use a condom for protection? Jul 24 16:54:24 <_av500_> depends Jul 24 16:54:27 hello Jul 24 16:54:29 depends Jul 24 16:54:31 exactly Jul 24 16:54:32 haha Jul 24 16:55:15 did someone ever try to use libhybris with TI SOC ? Jul 24 16:55:40 I'll put them in. They are cheap[ Jul 24 16:56:17 but maybe it's more fun without Jul 24 16:56:25 <_av500_> some claim so Jul 24 16:56:54 I've had 40 years of fun,,,,, I just want stability Jul 24 16:57:51 I do recall that I needed a different BDI 2000 for xscale than ARM7,9 but I guess thats still a pretty subtle difference. Jul 24 17:03:28 Hello. Jul 24 17:03:54 Does anyone know how to use h264 in the rev C ? Jul 24 17:04:27 georgem: the debug interfaces were not standardised back then Jul 24 17:04:39 it's only armv7 that gets close to a standard debug architecture Jul 24 17:06:06 <_av500_> printf Jul 24 17:06:12 <_av500_> Damniel: as in? Jul 24 17:08:51 baoboa: TI has many SoCs, but I'd expect it to work. Some adjustments likely. YMMV. Jul 24 17:10:00 <_av500_> Damniel: you mean using the dsp? Jul 24 17:10:18 i look for something with the AM335x for the beglebone black Jul 24 17:10:49 decode in software, convert to rgb on gpu Jul 24 17:11:11 oh wait, I'm confusing the questions here Jul 24 17:11:54 <_av500_> somebody is confused on the internet Jul 24 17:11:55 i will try , but if someone already find it impossible i wish to know :) Jul 24 17:12:02 Yes, using DSP. Jul 24 17:12:40 <_av500_> in Angstrom the CE based DSP stuff should work Jul 24 17:12:41 Apparently there's no binary in the 23.i3.8 fo that. Jul 24 17:12:45 <_av500_> koen: does it? Jul 24 17:13:01 <_av500_> hmm Jul 24 17:13:03 <_av500_> maybe not in 3.8 Jul 24 17:13:24 <_av500_> try the 2.32 based one Jul 24 17:13:25 baoboa: is there a working AOSP tree for BBB yet? Jul 24 17:13:39 <_av500_> there is rowboat Jul 24 17:13:59 and private 'ti releases' Jul 24 17:14:49 http://downloads.ti.com/sitara_android/esd/TI_Android_DevKit/TI_Android_JB_4_2_2_DevKit_4_1_1/index_FDS.html Jul 24 17:14:58 _av500_: Do you meam rowboat gingerbread? but that is based in android, isn't ? Jul 24 17:15:10 <_av500_> Damniel: that was not for you Jul 24 17:16:40 Ups. Jul 24 17:17:21 <_av500_> Damniel: as said, 2.32 based should work Jul 24 17:18:17 Angstrom 2.32 ? Is the same as the demo image? Jul 24 17:37:05 Hello guys, I'm from Brazil and I am not able to buy BEAGLEBONE. What is the best website to buy? Jul 24 17:39:36 Someone there? Jul 24 17:39:54 lots I assume... Jul 24 17:40:40 I'm from Brazil and I am not able to buy BEAGLEBONE. What is the best website to buy? Jul 24 17:41:02 I got mine from digikey Jul 24 17:42:20 if you get the bb black, also get the power adapter and debug serial cable... all from digikey. Jul 24 17:42:47 pick you up a few sd cards as well. Jul 24 17:43:17 the sd cards will come in handy to play/experiment with. Jul 24 17:45:00 the debug cable is very handy to monitor your experimental image and modify u-boot params, etc... Jul 24 17:46:04 BB black = http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/BB-BBLK-000/BB-BBLK-000-ND/3884456 Jul 24 17:46:32 debug cable = http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TTL-232R-3V3/768-1015-ND/1836393 Jul 24 17:46:46 power adaptor = http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?vendor=0&keywords=T1038-P5RP-ND Jul 24 17:47:22 also you may like a hdmi to hdmi micro cable for looking at desktop GUI Jul 24 17:58:20 stupid: digi-key non-delivery in Brazil Jul 24 18:01:54 omg, drama on lkml Jul 24 18:02:36 it develops to a soap opera Jul 24 18:03:26 hehe Jul 24 18:04:45 that same stuff about politeness still? Jul 24 18:05:37 it seems to go away from that Jul 24 18:34:50 aholler: isn't "drama on lkml" the standard state of being for lkml? Jul 24 18:36:23 I've bumped into a lot of the kernel devs when the kernel summit was back-to-back with linux.conf.eu in cambridge, and I've met friendlier communities all in all Jul 24 18:40:10 kblin: i don"t think it"s a community, whatever that means. and I don"t want to enter that discussion. Jul 24 18:41:00 fair enough Jul 24 18:48:57 kernel devs are mostly nice people Jul 24 18:49:23 even sarah sharp is nice in person Jul 24 18:52:12 they just tend to be pretty passionate about their work Jul 24 18:52:41 that's a good thing Jul 24 18:53:03 indeed, but often misinterperated Jul 24 18:54:01 arguably I think it's possible to criticise bad code without ad hominem attacks against the author Jul 24 18:54:49 but I appreciate that people who work on things that make my machine lock up if they mess up are very fussy about the code they let in Jul 24 18:55:36 yes, they are fussy about which locks the let in :) Jul 24 18:55:42 kblin: You sound Canadian :) Jul 24 18:56:36 oh, that's a new one :) Jul 24 18:56:57 at least most locks have a good style and are cga approved :) Jul 24 19:15:25 so mru, mranostay, thanks a lot for making me aware of teal and orange. I think I'll never be able to watch a movie again. Jul 24 19:16:14 what did you watch? Jul 24 19:16:20 pretty much anything Jul 24 19:16:28 Saw Pacific Rim the other weekend Jul 24 19:16:35 duh Jul 24 19:16:36 was full of it. Jul 24 19:16:52 New Bond movie had its share, but wasn't horrible. Jul 24 19:17:00 man, it's not just movies. Jul 24 19:17:07 yup Jul 24 19:17:25 the lake scene at the particularly Jul 24 19:17:54 teal and orange? as in the colours? Jul 24 19:17:55 Saw this on the TV the other day: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/Dr.phil.jpg Jul 24 19:18:18 hah Jul 24 19:18:22 kblin: ignorance is bliss :) Jul 24 19:18:32 kblin: swallow the blue pill Jul 24 19:18:59 sometimes I wish I could Jul 24 19:19:18 kblin: or satisfy your curiosity with the google machine, but remember, there are things you can't un-notice. Jul 24 19:20:11 like bad kerning Jul 24 19:21:30 I'll take bad kerning over what OOo is doing to me lately, namely just not rendering every rand()th letter entirely. It's nice. Jul 24 19:21:55 alan_o: I'm doing a PhD in microbiology, with a focus on computational biology. I tell you something that'll distract from the awful biology and comp-sci flaws in movies is welcome enough Jul 24 19:22:17 bye all, see some of you on other beagle related channels Jul 24 19:30:53 mru, http://i.imgur.com/KoUO5Np.jpg Jul 24 19:30:56 enjoy Jul 24 19:32:35 Russ: I didn't notice it right away, so maybe there's still hope for my sanity. Jul 24 19:33:07 ka6sox: I like those satellite pics earlier. Let's do a hiking trip there :) Jul 24 19:34:35 prpplague: Dr Who Second Doctor The Highlanders has a slave ship to Barbados :-) Jul 24 19:35:49 XorA: hehe Jul 24 19:51:51 prpplague: no word on this end Jul 24 20:00:23 hi Jul 24 20:01:06 can I get a .pdf of the dimensions of the board? Jul 24 20:01:13 including the mounting hole locations? Jul 24 20:03:55 coolguy_, have you checked the SRM? Jul 24 20:04:09 pages 111 to 116 have mechanical specs Jul 24 20:04:18 and pretty pictures Jul 24 20:04:30 I love pretty pictures Jul 24 20:06:21 kthxbye Jul 24 20:57:10 hey guys Jul 24 20:57:20 im trying to communicate through uart Jul 24 20:57:27 between 2 bbb Jul 24 20:57:37 and i was wondring if anyone have a lib for uart Jul 24 20:57:47 libc not good enough? Jul 24 20:58:03 mru: libc is made for bbb? Jul 24 20:58:17 because i have like 3 lib for uart but the pins are missed ip Jul 24 20:58:20 up* Jul 24 20:58:36 so i cant use them i have to edit them first which will take me forever Jul 24 20:59:32 maybe if you explained a bit better what you're trying to do, we'd be able to help you Jul 24 21:00:07 ok so im trying to send for example hello msg from bbb 1 to bbb 2 through uart Jul 24 21:00:12 send how? Jul 24 21:00:15 so i will need a program to send and receieve Jul 24 21:00:38 i have cutecom and it work fine but now i have to make the code my self because thats what i was asked to do Jul 24 21:00:48 so i wonder if their is a lib i can use Jul 24 21:00:55 for what language? Jul 24 21:01:06 any lang c or c++ or even java Jul 24 21:01:22 http://www.armhf.com/index.php/beaglebone-black-serial-uart-device-tree-overlays-for-ubuntu-and-debian-wheezy-tty01-tty02-tty04-tty05-dtbo-files/ Jul 24 21:01:24 the standard unix termios works with the uarts Jul 24 21:01:49 can you explian to me whats standerd unix termios? Jul 24 21:02:07 google, first hit Jul 24 21:02:33 legg: i already enabled them thanks thou Jul 24 21:02:41 mru: aight i will do that right now Jul 24 21:03:09 minicom ? Jul 24 21:04:19 legg: yeah minicom works with me Jul 24 21:04:24 mru: thats great!! thanks bro Jul 24 21:05:28 mru: where can i get termios.h Jul 24 21:05:48 it's part of the standard C library Jul 24 22:24:27 i finally got it. its been flashing for 20 minutes Jul 24 22:38:20 Anyone have an eta on cross compiling kernel for arm on a decent laptop? Jul 24 22:38:36 3.7.x Jul 24 22:38:40 EasyAt: just a few minutes Jul 24 22:38:52 alan_o: ty Jul 24 22:38:52 5-10, but I don't time it Jul 24 23:01:43 55 minutes still flashing Jul 24 23:01:54 i think it's worth $45 just for the erratically buzzing blue leds Jul 24 23:02:12 lol. Jul 24 23:02:27 which now are not eye destroying. Jul 24 23:02:35 what i'll probably do is simply leave the flashing sd in and keep rebooting it, for hours of amusement Jul 24 23:02:38 oh they are pretty bright Jul 24 23:02:39 i got the a5b Jul 24 23:02:52 the early ones very bright Jul 24 23:03:02 the newer ones are 1/5th of the current Jul 24 23:03:10 i saw where they added resistors Jul 24 23:08:15 you should see the bacon board Jul 24 23:08:23 JFK911, they had resistors before, just sized differently Jul 24 23:09:11 thats what i meant Jul 24 23:10:23 https://www.element14.com/community/videos/8507 Jul 24 23:12:46 a led without resistors will glow brightly for a little moment Jul 24 23:12:49 and then "boff" Jul 24 23:14:43 finally. 4 leds. Jul 24 23:14:47 i was about to leave too Jul 24 23:15:51 my winxp x64 dont like this 'gadget serial' device Jul 25 01:27:38 * m_billybob sprays beer in the general direction of mranostay Jul 25 01:42:32 dont' feed the beer troll any more. Jul 25 02:03:00 is it possible to get mongodb on the bbb? is it possible to setup a MEAN stack? Jul 25 02:03:49 Mongodb, Express, Angular.js, Node.js Jul 25 02:04:56 real-time reporting and control of the gpio to run relay switches and report temps and fan rpm... Jul 25 02:20:37 dont know about real time but bonescript *uses* node.js so somethign should be posible Jul 25 02:48:04 m_billybob: thanks Jul 25 02:57:53 m_billybob: i'm oscon'ed beer'ed up though **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 25 02:59:58 2013