**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 25 02:59:58 2013 Jul 25 03:00:12 goge: stock mongodb doesn't compile on ARM... there are patches floating around, but I haven't tried them Jul 25 03:06:59 So I flashed ubuntu-armhf, kernel 3.8.13-bone20 onto the eeprom, and I want to build my own driver for the header pins, so apparently I need to download the kernel source in order to build driver modules. Can someone take me through this process? The only browser I have is lynx... Jul 25 03:07:33 I assume one of the files here is the source: http://rcn-ee.net/deb/raring-armhf/v3.8.13-bone20/ Jul 25 03:10:13 mranostay: have a fancy beer for me Jul 25 03:13:10 hmm I suppose I could host the mongodb off the beagbleboard. I could cloud host it somewhere. Jul 25 03:14:15 the latest non-x86 mongodb I see is 1.8, mongo is 2.2 now Jul 25 03:15:00 wmat: conf call in 45 minutes.. after that maybe :P Jul 25 04:08:49 can i use beaglebone black with arduino mega ADK Jul 25 04:09:19 arun_: sorry but the question is a little vague Jul 25 04:10:10 can i use arduino mega adk as android accessory for beaglebone Jul 25 04:12:34 arun_: based on the specifications, i would say as long as your android build for beaglebone black has those features enabled, they is no hardware reason it would not work Jul 25 04:12:50 arun_: that is going to be dependent on your android build Jul 25 04:13:21 arun_: it is not polite to privately message someone with support questions Jul 25 04:14:50 i have to build a development board for my project using Beaglebone and Arduino Jul 25 04:15:45 arun_: school project? Jul 25 04:15:56 yes Jul 25 04:16:46 arun_: people here tend to frown upon doing someone elses school work for them. you can ask general questions, but we aren't going to do the work for you Jul 25 04:18:07 i am not asking to make project for me. but iam asking if it's possible , because i have no experience with beaglebone . Jul 25 04:18:35 arun_: yes there literally hundreds of ways you can use an avr/arduino in conjunction with a beaglebone Jul 25 04:18:54 so i am researching what could i add to my board to make it better Jul 25 04:19:10 http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-BeagleBone-and-an-Arduino-communicat/ Jul 25 04:20:18 thanks Jul 25 04:29:02 LMGTFY Jul 25 04:29:27 ka6sox: indeed Jul 25 05:05:09 * mranostay atoms shakes in Jul 25 05:11:37 mranostay, so you say Jul 25 05:13:50 ka6sox: are minnowboards myths too? Jul 25 05:14:32 not if you take a picture of one with your cat (and I can tell if you photoshop it!) Jul 25 05:16:07 do i need to print out the BBC front page as well? Jul 25 05:17:23 no, just today's front cover of the Tribune Jul 25 05:17:50 POL Jul 25 05:18:35 i'm not finding a paper at 10:30 at night :) Jul 25 05:19:09 you are in portland not oakland :P Jul 25 05:19:27 just wander into the 7-11 with a board in hand and a $5000 SLR on the other Jul 25 05:19:51 heh $5k? Jul 25 05:19:58 full frame ;) Jul 25 05:20:13 yeah that is more than my car is worth now :P Jul 25 05:20:49 okay..I'll use the cat as POL Jul 25 05:21:42 picture of yourself holding a laptop with current google news on the browser window. Jul 25 05:22:02 emeb_mac, +1 Jul 25 05:22:20 s/laptop/smartphone/ yaknow Jul 25 05:27:35 * mranostay even has two minnowboards Jul 25 05:27:59 okay mranostay....how do I know its not a Dummy? Jul 25 05:28:41 that would be a hell of a con Jul 25 05:28:51 I need Proof of life...where are the LEDs Jul 25 05:32:28 bah, power outage in the inland empire Jul 25 05:32:35 ka6sox: couldn't we fake those as well? Jul 25 05:33:02 we'll see how long the battery holds out Jul 25 05:41:37 mranostay, I'm sucessfully trolling you.... Jul 25 05:41:57 I believe it....prpplague said it existed... Jul 25 05:42:24 * prpplague wonders what ka6sox is talking about Jul 25 05:42:41 * mranostay sleeps Jul 25 05:43:04 * mranostay wanders off under a bridge ka6sox isn't at Jul 25 05:43:35 Russ: what happened? Jul 25 05:43:46 santa anas knocked down the feeds? Jul 25 05:44:04 AH... another troll Jul 25 05:44:13 guess that battery didn't last long ;) Jul 25 05:46:09 silly quick question about serial connection to the beaglebone black. What pin is 1? does it start on j1 side oropposite side? Jul 25 05:47:24 Jungle-Boogie: if you turn the board over to the back side and inspect the connector solder pads Jul 25 05:47:29 Jungle-Boogie: pin one is square Jul 25 05:48:11 perfect explanation! Jul 25 05:48:30 bah, stupid verizon battery backup, it has plenty of juice, but stops powering the internet part after 10 minutes Jul 25 05:48:30 its marked Jul 25 05:48:36 is pin 1 always square for serial connections, prpplague Jul 25 05:49:21 Often pin 1 is square on any header or chip pads Jul 25 05:49:22 Jungle-Boogie: traditional Electrical Engineering practice is to make any through hole connectors such as that of the serial connector, with a square pad for pin one Jul 25 05:50:08 Jungle-Boogie: if there is room on the board it is good practice mark the pin one with a triangle or circle symbol on the silkscreen Jul 25 05:50:27 that's really handy advice! thanks for sharing, prpplague Vaizki Jul 25 05:50:28 Oh and the serial is 3.3v but has 5v tolerant buffer on it Jul 25 05:51:20 yay, power Jul 25 05:51:29 i'll be using the adafruit cable. evidently it may not be the best Jul 25 05:51:49 hi Jul 25 05:52:28 does anyone know how to code beagle controller for expansion header GPIO pins Jul 25 05:54:59 so TMO to the rescue? Jul 25 05:55:23 Russ: power line cut or overloading somewhere? Jul 25 05:56:29 I'm guessing racoon or rodent in transformer Jul 25 05:58:23 http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/english/work_with_strippers.jpg :D Jul 25 05:58:51 strippers and alchohol Jul 25 05:59:32 Solder of Fortune Jul 25 05:59:55 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/1ML1kA Jul 25 05:59:55 kernel/3.8 10051c7 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add cape priorities... Jul 25 06:00:47 you Texicans should see these guys: http://www.druhatrava.us/schedule.html Jul 25 06:00:58 hmm, I should repost that when they are awake :) Jul 25 06:02:43 yeehaw? Jul 25 06:04:17 Texicans all go to bed early? Jul 25 06:07:56 if I just want to update the rootfs on a sheevaplug, do I need to go through the whole php mmc setup dance? Jul 25 06:13:33 * ka6sox checks the topic and doesn't see anything about Sheevaplugs in the topic Jul 25 06:14:51 er, sorry, wron # Jul 25 06:15:00 he he Jul 25 06:15:10 off by one, common mistake Jul 25 06:15:18 origin error Jul 25 06:15:18 :) Jul 25 06:15:30 are you origin 0 or 1? Jul 25 06:15:40 hello. Jul 25 06:15:57 mrpackethead, I have a serious question for you. Jul 25 06:16:06 I'll try to seriously answer you Jul 25 06:16:07 ka6sox: fat-fingered irssi, more likely Jul 25 06:16:07 :-) Jul 25 06:16:28 have you sucessfully installed a RCN version of Debian on a BBB? Jul 25 06:16:40 what do you mean, by RCN? Jul 25 06:16:49 nelson Jul 25 06:16:54 absolutely Jul 25 06:16:57 using Robert C Nelson's kernel. Jul 25 06:16:58 it works very nicely Jul 25 06:17:21 We currnetly have one small issue we are resolving which is to do with the audio Jul 25 06:17:30 but other than that, its all working nicely Jul 25 06:17:37 and josh is ontop of that Jul 25 06:17:39 have you found any "gotchas" or other things to watch out for? Jul 25 06:17:43 josh? Jul 25 06:17:49 jmoyerman: Jul 25 06:17:54 okay good. Jul 25 06:17:57 josh works for me Jul 25 06:18:03 aha! Jul 25 06:18:08 ding! Jul 25 06:18:50 the emmc flasher install that robert has made, just works out of the box Jul 25 06:19:03 its pretty lightweight install Jul 25 06:19:12 only takes 4-5 mintues to do Jul 25 06:20:19 ka6sox: so, serious question for you Jul 25 06:20:19 can I ask what peripherals you use on it? Jul 25 06:20:24 (1) - why are you asking Jul 25 06:20:45 ka6sox: i have an audio cape, and a bcc cape right now Jul 25 06:21:05 and quesiton (2). Why do penguins float Jul 25 06:21:18 ka6sox: and i'm just working on an RTC for it Jul 25 06:21:19 I can answer 2 easier Jul 25 06:21:29 fat and air pockets Jul 25 06:21:43 answer to 1 is: Jul 25 06:22:07 about 70% of the questions here recently have been about either Ubuntu or Debian. Jul 25 06:22:11 on a BBB Jul 25 06:22:14 ahh Jul 25 06:22:17 and "issues" Jul 25 06:22:18 it does nto surprize me Jul 25 06:22:37 theres a much wider user base for ubuntu than angstrom Jul 25 06:22:50 and disgrunted Pi-users will be debian savy Jul 25 06:22:59 maybe. Jul 25 06:23:18 however a good portion of the people who hang around here aren't debian users on the BB* Jul 25 06:23:26 what distro are you using, mrpackethead Jul 25 06:23:37 Jungle-Boogie: i predoominately use Debian Jul 25 06:24:01 (a) it works, (b) i have experiecne with it (c) it was easy to do Jul 25 06:24:07 so answering questions about why a certain uart(x) doesnt' work is tough for us. Jul 25 06:24:10 on the BBB as on your computer? Jul 25 06:24:25 Jungle-Boogie: i'm a Macos user on my laptop Jul 25 06:24:45 i have debian, ubuntu, windows, and a few other things as well Jul 25 06:25:04 but do you have live? Jul 25 06:25:06 i guess you can say, i'm "best tool for the job" distro Jul 25 06:25:07 *linux Jul 25 06:25:16 mranostay: whats linux Jul 25 06:25:20 how far along is freeBSD on the BBB? Jul 25 06:25:23 a kernel Jul 25 06:25:37 kernel. we don't use vegetables on our bbb Jul 25 06:25:55 * mranostay is reminded he got a FreeBSD devil horns from OSCON Jul 25 06:26:20 trolls dont' have horns. You are a phoney Jul 25 06:26:23 Jungle-Boogie, did anyone say they were working on *bsd? Jul 25 06:26:38 BSD = Big Scary Distro Jul 25 06:26:41 i'm hopeful SOMEONE is. ;) Jul 25 06:26:59 hey and if they get BSD going, maybe we can run macos on the BBB Jul 25 06:27:31 katrina was working I think on a BBxM Jul 25 06:27:34 Hi, i'm trying to get itunes running on my BBB, mranostay can you help. #exactsteps Jul 25 06:27:56 mrpackethead: kill yourself :) Jul 25 06:28:04 mranostay: i'm already dead. so i can't Jul 25 06:28:09 zombies Jul 25 06:28:20 proprietary OS on the BBB? Jul 25 06:28:22 what happens if a zombie bites a mummy? Jul 25 06:28:41 a: sheldon gets a cookie Jul 25 06:29:05 thank you mr obscure references :) Jul 25 06:29:20 * ka6sox should go to bed soon... Jul 25 06:29:36 * Jungle-Boogie me too Jul 25 06:29:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2GmQawLltY Jul 25 06:29:50 11:30pm here Jul 25 06:30:31 teh russ bot is very good Jul 25 06:30:34 its 11;30 out here on the pacific plate Jul 25 06:31:10 sure is! Jul 25 06:31:29 ka6sox: so it was'nt so obscure Jul 25 06:31:44 I used to run debian on my BB, but have switched to arch linux for the whole embedded zoo I run lately Jul 25 06:31:48 I make a habitt of doing Big Bang marathon's on cross pacific flights Jul 25 06:31:52 okay, maybe I'm too tired Jul 25 06:31:52 at 22 minutes a show Jul 25 06:32:00 you can watch two series on a 12 hour flight Jul 25 06:32:10 ugh Jul 25 06:32:13 not too fond of the rolling upgrade thing, though Jul 25 06:32:33 must sleep before I fall down Jul 25 06:32:42 good night Jul 25 06:33:13 Crofton: i have Tizen stickers again Jul 25 06:33:23 #tizenallthethings? Jul 25 06:33:59 and Tizen wristband Jul 25 06:34:09 getting a shirt even Jul 25 06:35:16 glad we are so on tppic Jul 25 06:35:25 I need some oshpark swag Jul 25 06:35:33 don't forget the freebsd wristband: https://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/bsdwrist?id=U8Y9CvFm&mv_pc=179 Jul 25 06:35:52 so, ka6sox-away, shoudl we start #bealge-debian Jul 25 06:36:03 and #beagle-angsum Jul 25 06:36:07 and #beagle-offtopic Jul 25 06:36:18 and #beagle-mranostay Jul 25 06:36:30 don't forget about subreddits! Jul 25 06:41:46 mornng Jul 25 06:53:21 bye for now, everyone! catch me on the g+ community page! Jul 25 06:59:45 mrpackethead, nope...just need some folks who *know* debian to help out a bit and answer questions. Jul 25 06:59:55 ha ha. Jul 25 06:59:56 specifically debian on the BBB Jul 25 07:00:13 geepers, theres a price for being a trail-blazer Jul 25 07:07:51 ka6sox: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian Jul 25 07:08:39 works very well for me Jul 25 07:09:39 can anyone help me to to compile angstrom sources for beaglebone black. Jul 25 07:12:50 cde, does this allow you to configure different uarts, or spi ports or gpio pins? Jul 25 07:15:24 Russ: is that lwn article yours ? Jul 25 07:18:40 ka6sox: yes, it does Jul 25 07:42:56 mranostay, I still have one Jul 25 07:43:12 I need to get a photo of it stuck on wookie Jul 25 07:55:16 .o 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG9oKZdFb7w Jul 25 07:55:30 .info Jul 25 07:57:38 * m_billybob somehow feels dirty after playing with usbnet all day long in his spare time Jul 25 08:03:10 .o 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCh2T9axLyY Jul 25 08:03:22 dammit wrong window again Jul 25 08:07:56 just plugged in my new BBB! yay! got the usb connect to my linux computer..., not plugged into network, instructions say to navigate to x.x.7.x IP...can i ssh into with just the USB? Jul 25 08:08:05 yes Jul 25 08:08:17 user root no password Jul 25 08:08:35 BobCat: okay...lemme try it :) Jul 25 08:08:49 if your linux box has usbnet module in kernel or modular form Jul 25 08:09:05 ( g_ether / g_multi ) Jul 25 08:09:07 also the webpage at 192.168.7.2 has an ssh client but it's flaky Jul 25 08:09:28 ahh, i'll lookup the usbnet module thingy thx m_billybob Jul 25 08:09:46 lsmod _grep usbnet Jul 25 08:09:52 err | grep Jul 25 08:10:01 ubuntu has it by default Jul 25 08:10:23 most debian based distros seem to Jul 25 08:14:05 hmmm, seems i have it...if it shows up with lsmod, i dont need to modprobe it right? Jul 25 08:14:14 shouldnt Jul 25 08:14:29 once you plug in the bbb you shoudl be able to ping back and forth Jul 25 08:14:44 i wonder how to now connect it up...hmm...ping 192.168.7.2 isn't working.... Jul 25 08:14:49 thats the ip i should use right? Jul 25 08:14:58 probably just easier to http://192.168.7.2 Jul 25 08:15:15 m_billybob: well if ping isn't working...http wont either right? Jul 25 08:15:28 not connected ? Jul 25 08:15:39 did it mount? Jul 25 08:15:48 no do i need to mount it? Jul 25 08:16:07 no it should automount the fat partition through mass storage Jul 25 08:16:07 just: mount /dev/sdc Jul 25 08:16:12 what distro is the pc? Jul 25 08:16:17 arch linux Jul 25 08:16:40 it doesn't report any partitions with 'lsblk' either hmmm Jul 25 08:16:43 I don't arch - mount it if id dind'y automount Jul 25 08:16:58 ok i'll try brb... Jul 25 08:17:14 we also assume the blue lights are flickering Jul 25 08:18:48 admittedly my desktop OS is windows . . . so with Angstrom, and the drivers installed it just shows up. using Linux though, atleast Debian on the bbb, requires me to modprobe g_multi, but itsnot quite that simple Jul 25 08:19:22 away for a few Jul 25 08:19:24 Does lsusb show it? Jul 25 08:19:28 i have ubuntu on pc and bbb, automounts fine, netowrks fine Jul 25 08:20:05 Same with OSX here Jul 25 08:20:26 BobCat: well i hand mounted just fine with a simple: sudo mount /dev/sdc /mnt/bb Jul 25 08:20:36 I find it kind of odd the wikis all seem to assume we're mostly running windows Jul 25 08:20:46 BobCat: hoodlums! Jul 25 08:20:49 ;) Jul 25 08:21:07 so go to start.heml in there Jul 25 08:21:18 ok...! :) Jul 25 08:21:24 html Jul 25 08:21:43 or whatever the hell it's called :) Jul 25 08:22:06 :) START.htm ;) Jul 25 08:22:10 okay...next? Jul 25 08:22:10 that Jul 25 08:22:16 page came up? Jul 25 08:22:20 yup... Jul 25 08:22:38 open a terminal and try to ssh in Jul 25 08:22:39 which i assumed it would as the mounting seemed to take just fine as i can browse via the terminal... Jul 25 08:22:52 ssh root@192.168.7.2 Jul 25 08:23:29 still not responding to a ping, i'll try the ssh...but i think we're a bit of a red-heerring here...as mounting a file system should be quite different activity than enabling network??? Jul 25 08:23:33 thoughts? Jul 25 08:23:48 ifconfig should report the pc has usb net on 192.168.7.1 Jul 25 08:23:58 ahh lemme try that... Jul 25 08:24:15 right, not there so issue is still with usbnet.... Jul 25 08:24:17 mine says eth1 Jul 25 08:31:51 hello! Has anyone implemented the opendnp3 library on the beaglebone? Jul 25 08:35:53 yeah it'll be either usb0 or eth1 Jul 25 08:36:08 ifconfig should tell all Jul 25 08:36:40 BobCat: m_billybob: i chucked in the udev rules as per the website and guess i need to reboot to activate them, so lets see if that works ;) Jul 25 08:37:02 ah ubuntu Jul 25 08:37:38 he's running arch Jul 25 08:38:06 ah right . . . i know next to nothing of arch but seems close to debian in nature Jul 25 08:38:13 rebooting...brb... Jul 25 08:38:17 okie Jul 25 08:39:22 so ARCH in a nutshell issomething akin to gentoo in that its a LFS ? Jul 25 08:42:05 this is exciting, like waiting for a royal birth Jul 25 08:45:18 hi Jul 25 08:46:26 i've recently switched from beagleboard-xm to beagleboneblack: how can i have a terminal debug in the beagleboneblack like the one i got in beagleboard-xm with db9 connector? Jul 25 08:47:02 tobi_, you need a serial debug "module" its ttl 3v3 based Jul 25 08:47:10 ( UART ) Jul 25 08:47:40 adafruit should have a few listed Jul 25 08:47:50 can you link it? Jul 25 08:48:16 better to look on circuitco web pages Jul 25 08:49:16 can i find one farnell? Jul 25 08:49:40 http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories Jul 25 08:49:40 *on farnell Jul 25 08:49:49 Standard FTDI Cable Jul 25 08:49:53 that section Jul 25 08:49:58 turns out it was 'eth1', i've got the dhcp working for it. web page not coming up (i'm assuming webserver isn't running) AND can't ssh in as not accepting blank password. Jul 25 08:50:17 root/root fenton Jul 25 08:50:22 m_billybob: tu Jul 25 08:50:33 i forget what tghe regular user name / password is Jul 25 08:50:55 m_billybob: hmmm, not liking that either :{ Jul 25 08:51:40 it's root and nothing Jul 25 08:51:48 for the stock angstrom Jul 25 08:52:03 root/root on mine Jul 25 08:52:19 BobCat: hmm not liking that either :( Jul 25 08:52:23 on BB black? Jul 25 08:52:29 BobCat: yes. Jul 25 08:52:43 ping works? Jul 25 08:52:50 yes. Jul 25 08:53:02 do i need to mount? Jul 25 08:53:12 you have a serial debug cable fenton ? or a 3v3 ttl FTDI module ? Jul 25 08:53:13 you shouldn't need to Jul 25 08:53:18 but do it anyway Jul 25 08:53:54 reboot the BBB maybe? Jul 25 08:53:55 m_billybob: i'm using the usb cable provided...normal size on computer side and looks like usb mini on other side? Jul 25 08:54:08 the webserver should be up already Jul 25 08:54:44 fenton i take it you're not much into EE then. serial debug interface is ttyo0 UART Jul 25 08:54:56 and https://192.168.7.2 is the ssh client Jul 25 08:55:01 its one way to log in when you have issues Jul 25 08:55:23 m_billybob: yeah sorry not an EE :| Jul 25 08:55:29 no biggy Jul 25 08:55:37 m_billybob: ok Jul 25 08:56:08 BobCat: my dhcp gave it the IP 192.168.7.1...but i dont think that matters...mounting works fine... Jul 25 08:56:23 so the start.htm page form the mass storage device once mounted shold give you some clues Jul 25 08:56:26 .1 on the pc or the bbb? Jul 25 08:56:29 reboot bbb is just unplug usb cable? Jul 25 08:56:34 right Jul 25 08:56:50 as long as you don't have a wall wart power Jul 25 08:56:55 bbb should be 192.168.7.2 Jul 25 08:57:03 PC == *.1 Jul 25 08:57:15 BobCat: oh interesting question...lemme check i didn't assume two ip's but that makes sense...lemme retry :) Jul 25 08:57:40 that was it! Jul 25 08:57:45 tada! Jul 25 08:57:48 sorry to be daft! lol Jul 25 08:57:53 kewl! Jul 25 08:58:07 lol no one is born knowing everything ;) Jul 25 08:58:40 what size SD card do u guys use? Jul 25 08:58:48 16GB here Jul 25 08:58:54 i have only a 16GB Jul 25 08:59:02 happy? Jul 25 08:59:05 yep Jul 25 08:59:15 what distro r u running? Jul 25 08:59:18 4GB would be enough Jul 25 08:59:27 I put ubuntu on my bbb Jul 25 08:59:34 i run debian on both sides but my desktop here is windows 7 Jul 25 08:59:50 by the way, get the latest angstrom flashing image and put that on FIRST Jul 25 08:59:53 my crosscompile / support system is also debian wheezy Jul 25 09:00:27 ok...kewl...what kind of applications are u putting your BBB to use for? Jul 25 09:00:28 i couldn't flash ubuntu on until i did that Jul 25 09:00:38 BobCat: i'll def do that next Jul 25 09:01:01 mine's going to be a webserver mostly - replacing a pc Jul 25 09:01:02 remote site management Jul 25 09:01:14 then I'll think about adding stuff Jul 25 09:01:35 m_billybob: what does 'remote site management' mean? Jul 25 09:02:00 m_billybob: sorry to be a busy body...lemme know if i'm being too nosy Jul 25 09:02:06 it means remote site monitoring , and adjustement i gues Jul 25 09:02:16 oh dont worry thats about as descriptive as ill get Jul 25 09:02:21 lol Jul 25 09:02:23 more requires an NDA Jul 25 09:02:42 lol ok! :) Jul 25 09:02:58 bbb will be great for remote power control - no more calling epople and asking them to hit power buttons Jul 25 09:03:07 people Jul 25 09:03:07 lol! Jul 25 09:03:25 i might give the xbmc thing a whirl... Jul 25 09:03:37 tried it on my laptop the otherday and it took over! lol! Jul 25 09:03:57 can u power this thing just with the usb then, no need to use the 5V round power connector right? Jul 25 09:03:59 xbmc is somehting best left to rpi Jul 25 09:04:02 yes Jul 25 09:04:13 but there my be problems when flashing Jul 25 09:04:18 but bbb has rpi beat with everything else Jul 25 09:04:21 so they say, but mine is fine Jul 25 09:04:40 BobCat: 'mine' being xbmc? Jul 25 09:04:44 rpi has better hardware for video Jul 25 09:04:52 m_billybob: thats what i read... Jul 25 09:04:53 no i meant the flashing Jul 25 09:04:58 BobCat: oh ok Jul 25 09:05:44 fenton, but that is the only thing the rpi has over the bbb, the bbb is better in every other way. especialy when thinking of "true" embedded applications Jul 25 09:05:52 wouldn't i have to put something in an altoids tin on the bottom to avoid shorting the pins that are touching the metal? Jul 25 09:06:09 I think the rpi has like what ? 16 exposed gpio's ? Jul 25 09:06:33 m_billybob: yeah, thats why i opted for the bbb...rpi seems like i'd die of old age waiting for it... Jul 25 09:06:35 yeah thats not very good. at least in my book of embedded Jul 25 09:06:57 yeah thats another thing Jul 25 09:07:16 people buying up the rpi to resell then by the time you or I get one it costs morethan the bbb Jul 25 09:07:33 altoid tins are the WORST possible case Jul 25 09:07:45 BobCat: okay i'll not put it in there lol! Jul 25 09:07:50 heh Jul 25 09:07:55 I made a wooden box :) Jul 25 09:08:28 mine sits on top of a snuff can lol Jul 25 09:08:37 that would be slick...unfortunately i'm a bit marooned in Bangkok for the next 6 months... Jul 25 09:08:49 been meanign to mount it to plywood never got around to it though Jul 25 09:08:54 m_billybob: snuff can...i hardly know what that is ! lol Jul 25 09:09:03 cant locate our nylong standoffs Jul 25 09:09:11 fenton, think skoal Jul 25 09:09:28 ahh...thats tough stuff...had a bad experience! :) Jul 25 09:09:29 dip snuff, chew. whatever you prefer to call it ;) Jul 25 09:09:43 r u guys aussies? Jul 25 09:09:47 im an addict, what can i say :/ Jul 25 09:09:50 USA Jul 25 09:09:53 USA Jul 25 09:09:58 USA! Jul 25 09:10:02 my only vice Jul 25 09:10:14 ahh okay...my buddy from colorado was into that stuff! omg! ;) Jul 25 09:10:24 nasty habit Jul 25 09:10:31 try the snus - it's better Jul 25 09:10:38 hard tpo break after 35 years Jul 25 09:11:36 well i'd distrust anyone with nary an addiction! ;) Jul 25 09:12:00 youg uys want to see the website I'm going to host on my BBB? join #geekstreams and browse to http://geekstreams.com Jul 25 09:12:15 it's an irc controlled video sharing site Jul 25 09:13:00 that looks interesting Jul 25 09:13:03 this ones running on mine Jul 25 09:13:05 http://www.embeddedhobbyist.com/ Jul 25 09:13:18 heheh kidding, that is my site, but not runnong on a bbb ;) Jul 25 09:13:19 get into the irc channel I'll show you how it works Jul 25 09:13:45 im good. too many open channels already ( imon two networks ) Jul 25 09:14:17 well, if you're looking at the site, and I know someone else is... Jul 25 09:14:44 looking at what site ? Jul 25 09:15:52 ill be running a webserver on this one, but nothign special just static pages. not quite sure how I will implement controll yet but ill worry about that all later Jul 25 09:16:27 might use php / cgi, might try my own hand at Angular.js or node.js not sure Jul 25 09:16:50 underlying apps will all be C/C++ though Jul 25 09:17:19 * m_billybob doesnt care much for interprited languages unless all else fails Jul 25 09:17:46 hell may even write up something using snorkle Jul 25 09:17:54 ( embedded web server ) Jul 25 09:19:16 * mru thought a snorkle was a combination of a snore and a chuckle Jul 25 09:20:39 just for you mru Jul 25 09:20:40 http://snorkelembedded.webs.com/ Jul 25 09:20:49 although i suspect your yankign my chain Jul 25 09:21:09 you probably know more about it than i do Jul 25 09:21:37 never used that web server Jul 25 09:22:13 major turn offfor me though Jul 25 09:22:16 Linux (Debian EABI ARM beta) Jul 25 09:27:06 "learn complex scripting languages" buhahahhaahaaaaa Jul 25 09:28:02 everything now daysis complex is you dont want to or need to learn it. Jul 25 09:28:18 anyway you all take it easy bed time for me Jul 25 09:51:35 hello, i just got a BBB and it was all going well, for a while, until i took the tour in the cloud9 IDE Jul 25 09:52:04 once it was finished, it started throwing these errors - [C9 Server Exception 500] ENOENT, No such file or directory '/var/lib/cloud9/.settings.xml' Jul 25 09:52:40 and now the cloud9 project folder is empty Jul 25 09:53:17 i googled that error but didn't find anything Jul 25 09:53:46 might make sense to reflash to latest angstrom image anyway Jul 25 09:53:52 it *looks* as if the tour somehow deleted all the cloud9 folders, which seems insane Jul 25 09:54:16 hrm, yes. now to do that I need a mini SD card though yes? Jul 25 09:54:27 yes Jul 25 09:54:45 micro Jul 25 09:54:46 right...well, that's a bummer Jul 25 09:54:53 yeah... Jul 25 09:54:58 mini-sd are rare these days Jul 25 09:55:14 * dm8tbr has an adaptor for cases when he needs one Jul 25 09:55:18 yeah, i only have full sized ones Jul 25 09:55:30 so i guess i'm screwed for now Jul 25 09:55:42 I have a mini to full adapter only Jul 25 09:55:50 and a mini card somewhere Jul 25 09:55:56 I think Jul 25 09:56:03 can't remember when I saw it last Jul 25 09:56:12 guymo: you could extract the files from an image and copy them over. if you know how to handle some command line stuff Jul 25 09:56:16 so, i'm more of a debian guy, is debian stable/good/recommended on a BBB? Jul 25 09:56:31 the rcn-ee stuff supposedly works ok Jul 25 09:56:42 many people use angstrom Jul 25 09:56:46 any distro will run once you have a good kernel Jul 25 09:56:52 but whatever floats your boat really Jul 25 09:57:20 ok. thanks. Jul 25 09:57:42 i'll get a micro SD and sort it tomorrow Jul 25 09:58:08 *nod* Jul 25 09:58:34 the link in the home page to the gateone SSH client is broken too Jul 25 09:58:36 This webpage has a redirect loop Jul 25 09:59:06 hmm, which page? Jul 25 09:59:16 * dm8tbr wonders who does the page jk or cco Jul 25 09:59:32 It links to https://192.168.7.2/auth?next=%2F Jul 25 09:59:59 sorry, i mean the landing page on teh BBB itself Jul 25 10:00:30 ah Jul 25 10:01:07 might want to verify if that's still on latest too Jul 25 10:01:11 might have been fixed Jul 25 10:01:36 what buid should i have? only got it today from element14 Jul 25 10:02:15 Linux beaglebone 3.8.13 #1 SMP Wed Jun 5 11:21:00 CEST 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux Jul 25 10:06:18 http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ should be latest IIRC Jul 25 11:44:38 does simply dd'ing the bbb-eMMC image to, say, /dev/sdb work? Jul 25 11:44:50 sudo dd if=demo_beaglebone_BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20.img of=/dev/sdb Jul 25 12:34:24 folks - sakoman / Crofton|work / Crofton : http://teknoman117.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/beagleboard-xm-1-ghz-operation-safely-and-reliably/ I am wondering where I'd find sprz319 erratum? https://lists.yoctoproject.org/pipermail/meta-ti/2012-March/000812.html seems to be more sensible patch though Jul 25 12:37:13 gm NishanthMenon Jul 25 12:37:21 sakoman, GM Jul 25 12:38:06 I've used the patch referenced above for the sprz319 erratum Jul 25 12:38:38 sakoman, any clues where i'd get this erratum, sorry for sounding stupid.. :( Jul 25 12:39:07 hmmm . . .let me see if I have a copy Jul 25 12:39:19 Kristo is trying to get clk nodes in dts, and I am hoping if the fix is obvious for ehci etc, we would probably want it factored in mainline itself Jul 25 12:39:30 sakoman, thx. Jul 25 12:44:54 NishanthMenon: Interesting -- the doc seems to have gone missing from the TI site :-) Jul 25 12:45:20 sakoman, yaaaay... do you have the old link handy? i can try to poke at people here Jul 25 12:45:32 I have a copy of sprz318d.pdf that refers to the same issue Jul 25 12:45:44 k Jul 25 12:45:50 http://www.ti.com/lit/er/sprz319d/sprz319d.pdf Jul 25 12:46:07 Found the above link in E2E posting Jul 25 12:46:19 but it results in a not found Jul 25 12:46:20 http://e2e.ti.com/support/arm/sitara_arm/f/791/t/142195.aspx -> noticed it as well. Jul 25 12:46:49 I see why Jul 25 12:46:56 it has been replaced with revision e Jul 25 12:46:59 http://www.ti.com/lit/er/sprz318e/sprz318e.pdf Jul 25 12:47:09 http://www.ti.com/sitesearch/docs/universalsearch.tsp?searchTerm=sprz318&linkId=1 helped Jul 25 12:47:22 thanks sakoman for the hint.. Jul 25 12:48:22 all wiki and forum links and postings are invariably bit rotted :-( Jul 25 12:48:33 or wrong to begin with ;-) Jul 25 12:48:36 :( Jul 25 12:49:09 "There's always something/someone wrong on the internet." Jul 25 12:49:33 Haven't been doing too much work with TI SOCs recently so I haven't been keeping up with errata . . . Jul 25 12:51:08 aye. understood :). Jul 25 13:00:35 NishanthMenon: iirc the patch fixes 3730 but breaks 3530 Jul 25 13:00:53 NishanthMenon: or classic and xM, never tried to find out Jul 25 13:01:13 koen, the patch in wordpress was crap Jul 25 13:01:23 it fcked up mpu dpll instead of dpll5 Jul 25 13:01:35 but the yocto patch was more sensible Jul 25 13:03:36 is the following the right approach for getting the latest angstrom onto a BBB sudo dd if=demo_beaglebone_BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20.img of=/dev/sdb Jul 25 13:13:13 ds2? Jul 25 13:18:54 fenton: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software Jul 25 13:26:05 wmat: thx i'll look into that... Jul 25 13:48:15 * mranostay dances in Jul 25 13:50:37 * georgem wakes, up rubs his eyes trying to remember why he was sleeping on the ground surrounded by empty beer cans Jul 25 13:51:00 perhaps alcohol was involved Jul 25 13:51:05 was mranostay around? Jul 25 13:52:28 no, worse. my suggested we go to the lake and bring a case of beer and some comfortable chairs Jul 25 13:52:33 my wife* Jul 25 13:53:00 your wife is worse than mranostay? Jul 25 13:53:48 not sure. mranostay has never begged me to by a case of beer and take him to the lake. Infact if he did that'd be kind of creepy. Jul 25 13:53:53 buy* Jul 25 13:56:20 I got some really nice HDR shots of the sun setting over the lake with my Nikon D5100 though. Jul 25 14:00:02 georgem: well be that way :P Jul 25 14:06:53 mranostay so you and georgem are going to the lake to take hdr photos? Jul 25 14:07:03 heh Jul 25 14:07:03 sounds like a nice gettaway Jul 25 14:07:12 georgem, mranostay likes hdr photos, too! Jul 25 14:07:26 match made on #beagle! Jul 25 14:07:47 well, if this channel doesn't work out as support for circuit boards maybe it has a future in the online dating market... Jul 25 14:08:24 I think the gender imbalance might be a problem Jul 25 14:08:32 bradfa: start with me ! Jul 25 14:09:54 das, do you like hdr photos? Jul 25 14:09:59 ha. I did meet my wife from Canada online on deviantart through mutual photography interest Jul 25 14:10:07 georgem, see! :) Jul 25 14:10:39 bradfa: I can pretend I do ? Jul 25 14:10:46 das, isn't that what dating is all about? Jul 25 14:10:59 hurr hur Jul 25 14:11:02 bradfa: seeing how long you can pull off a lie? Jul 25 14:11:13 * bradfa runs! Jul 25 14:12:46 bradfa: more like not dying alone :P Jul 25 14:13:14 mranostay, wo wo wo, we're talking about dating and taking some picutres, hopefully no one's going to die! Jul 25 14:13:17 for women dating is about how many free dinners they can get Jul 25 14:13:21 ha Jul 25 14:13:44 * bradfa wonders what going on a date with mranostay would be like if it somehow involves hdr photos and a high chance of death Jul 25 14:14:03 who cares, there'll be alcohol Jul 25 14:14:12 bradfa: what you doing Friday night? :P Jul 25 14:14:54 mranostay, come on over! I need help with yard work Jul 25 14:15:02 ugh. I do too Jul 25 14:15:11 yard work == high chance of death (sometimes) Jul 25 14:15:12 what is a lawn? :) Jul 25 14:16:00 I want my property to shrink. 15000 sqft is a pain in the ass to maintain Jul 25 14:16:28 * mranostay has yet to rent a place with a lawn Jul 25 14:16:29 everything anyone has ever done has been followed by their death Jul 25 14:16:54 not if they aren't dead yet Jul 25 14:17:00 yet... Jul 25 14:17:26 hah ... i'm 24, still pretty sure i'm immortal Jul 25 14:17:47 it won't last Jul 25 14:18:01 maybe they will turn themself into a cyborg and regenerate all their organs from stem cells or something Jul 25 14:18:33 das: quiet punk :) Jul 25 15:34:46 g'morning guys Jul 25 15:35:53 arrigato Jul 25 15:37:20 my professor wants to run python-openCV using angstroms and we're struggling to get it working Jul 25 15:37:35 has any one tried that? heard of someone who did it? Jul 25 15:38:13 Why iOS autocorrect would fix arigato to arrigato is beyond me... Jul 25 15:38:26 Russ: ping Jul 25 15:38:41 are you chatting from your phone? Jul 25 15:39:47 iPad Jul 25 15:40:18 das? Jul 25 15:40:33 I'm out in the islands, sitting on the crapper if you must know Jul 25 15:41:46 urban dictionary has no definition for "sitting on the crapper" Jul 25 15:42:49 might be something more literal Jul 25 15:43:12 oh crap. why did I search that? Jul 25 15:43:37 you just ruined my morning :/ Jul 25 15:44:22 today I've managed to kill the eMMC such that linux didn't even recognize it. Jul 25 15:45:07 where to get a fw-update for the eMMC? Jul 25 15:45:36 I had to use u-boot to revive it Jul 25 15:45:49 how did you do that? Jul 25 15:46:05 what? revive or kill? Jul 25 15:46:40 kill Jul 25 15:47:15 don't know, I assume power off or reset at a time the emmc didn't like Jul 25 15:48:29 but on the other side, usb-host with 3.11-rc2 works. Jul 25 15:49:03 (with some fiddling and patches) Jul 25 15:49:13 aholler, oh Jul 25 15:49:23 good to know Jul 25 15:49:31 sent me the patches plz Jul 25 15:49:45 panto: just change instances in dsps from 1 to 2 Jul 25 15:49:56 no dma I guess Jul 25 15:50:07 and disable that dump warning suspend warning with -EBUSY Jul 25 15:50:27 and a patch from av500 for nop Jul 25 15:50:57 send me what ever you got Jul 25 15:51:01 panto: you already did that in your HACK patch Jul 25 15:51:07 in the middle of other things Jul 25 15:51:10 what are the CFLAGS options one need to pass to crosscompile application for the beaglebone Jul 25 15:51:22 panto: the other stuff isn't necessary anymore Jul 25 15:51:22 aholler, yes, but I haven't tried usb host on 3.12rc yet Jul 25 15:52:31 dma isn't selectable, haven't tried it. Jul 25 15:53:45 expected Jul 25 15:54:55 I assume someone is working on a replacement for that dsps driver. it would be nice if instances could be changed by dt Jul 25 15:56:21 ... Jul 25 15:57:48 anyway, nothing changed ;) Jul 25 16:05:43 sent Jul 25 16:06:08 aholler, thanks Jul 25 16:07:38 changes on the dtb aren't necessary Jul 25 16:08:12 (for usb-host) Jul 25 16:08:48 next thing now would be to revive hdmi Jul 25 16:09:05 fot power down the old patches do work Jul 25 16:10:20 I'm now at 29 patches for 11-rc2 Jul 25 16:10:44 even more than what was necessary for the beagleboard ;) Jul 25 16:12:27 I have patches for that Jul 25 16:12:39 and I wonder why musb-client refuses to work with mode=peripheral instead of otg Jul 25 16:13:40 nope Jul 25 16:13:54 musb can only be dealt with alcohol/drugs Jul 25 16:14:01 yes Jul 25 16:14:26 5 years and still a building site Jul 25 16:15:05 that's what you get when you let ip vendor 'code' Jul 25 16:17:26 panto: hey greek dude Jul 25 16:17:37 hi yuppie in training Jul 25 16:17:52 better than hippie Jul 25 16:18:15 only slightly Jul 25 16:18:25 of course it is a hippie with money usually Jul 25 16:22:12 I first thought my bone died when the eMMC was dead and got angry ;) Jul 25 16:24:19 luckily I had the idea to have a look at it from u-boot. mmc erase did the trick. linux (and the rom) didn't see it anymore at all. Jul 25 16:25:37 aholler: how did you erase it if the rom didn't see it? Do you mean it just stopped booting from the eMMC or linux couldn't see it even when booted with sd card? Jul 25 16:26:07 as said, u-boot from the mmc Jul 25 16:28:08 btw. u-boot v2013.07-19-ge8ea796. those 19 patches are from beagles github. works fine Jul 25 16:28:37 I could even boot from usb-storage ;) Jul 25 16:28:58 aholler: Did you do something to cause this problem or did this just happen spontaneously? Jul 25 16:29:09 Or, not sure? Jul 25 16:29:34 as said, reset or poweroff at a time the eMMC didn't like. Jul 25 16:29:53 don't know more. Jul 25 16:29:54 ah. sorry. didn't see you said that. Jul 25 16:30:13 yeah. shit. I've seen that with many FTL NAND devices Jul 25 16:30:39 afterwards I got read errors and than it disappeared totally Jul 25 16:31:30 and I don't think it was a sweat drop ;) Jul 25 16:31:56 but of course, could have been possible too. but I haven't seen anything. Jul 25 16:32:19 We're using PREEMPT RT and designing a power supply with enough capacitance to run the system for a couple hundred MS that will trigger a GPIO interrupt when voltage drops below a certain threshold at which point we'll do an immediate halt in order to avoid this. Jul 25 16:34:50 aholler: its not very difficult to reproduce these kind of problems with some pretty simple automation. I've found that a lot of devices like this will fail after less than a thousand cycles of boot, wait 30s-60s, kill power if you have a task writing Jul 25 16:36:43 whoever knows what the fw does... Jul 25 16:36:55 I prefer nand ;) Jul 25 16:37:02 yeah. the FTL nand firmware does all kind of wear leveling, etc Jul 25 16:37:31 Yeah, its much more reliable Jul 25 16:38:37 at least one sees what errors do happen. Jul 25 16:40:52 on the other side, it might be a failure of the mmc-driver in linux too. It's likely because u-boot still did see it Jul 25 16:42:38 haven't looked at dmesg at all, I just noticed the device disappeared. Jul 25 17:12:53 aholler hmmmm? u-boot v2013.07-19-ge8ea796 ? google shows no results lol Jul 25 17:13:03 lol Jul 25 17:13:43 usb boot is something i actually am interrested in Jul 25 17:15:59 m_billybob: its just mainline + patches from github Jul 25 17:16:34 hmm really, wonder if RCN has pushed it in to his stuff yet Jul 25 17:17:01 err actually not sure where he pulls his source from could check Jul 25 17:17:06 m_billybob: + 4 private patches Jul 25 17:17:16 but you don't need those 4 Jul 25 17:18:15 now im forced to get a real ftdi module lol Jul 25 17:18:22 ah cool thanks aholler Jul 25 17:18:58 * m_billybob has been skating by with a msp430 launchpad at 9600 BAUD Jul 25 17:19:01 so beagleboard@github should have 15 patches for u-boot Jul 25 17:21:10 ok cool, suppose ill have some reading to do Jul 25 17:22:05 m_billybob: it isn't really worth the time, you don't a new u-boot-version Jul 25 17:22:39 +need Jul 25 17:23:46 hmm ? Jul 25 17:24:20 sorry im still kind of new to this. But i was under the impression that usb booting atleast in the past was a no go Jul 25 17:25:01 floppy support ? lol Jul 25 17:25:15 no, u-boot can do this since a long time. I assume one or 2 years (with musb) already. Jul 25 17:25:45 with ehci even much, much longer Jul 25 17:26:06 (you still need u-boot on the emmc or mmc) Jul 25 17:26:25 aholler, not arguing, just saying could have sworn that USB boot on the BBB not not supported in either software or hardware. Maybe i heard wrong ? Jul 25 17:26:40 yeah uboot MLO, and uEnv.txt Jul 25 17:26:45 im netbooting now already Jul 25 17:26:53 m_billybob: you forgot to end your sentence with lol Jul 25 17:27:07 just call usb start while you have a stick inserted Jul 25 17:27:21 truely ? Jul 25 17:27:25 afterwards do ls usb 1:1 or similiar Jul 25 17:28:02 How do I edit an existing project? Jul 25 17:28:20 AJ_ could you be a but more vague ? Jul 25 17:28:27 bit more vague* Jul 25 17:29:09 just put that in the uEnv.txt on your eMMC: http://dpaste.com/1317243/ Jul 25 17:29:24 be warned, it won't boot from eMMC afterwards ;) Jul 25 17:29:37 I created a project on the beagle board website using my gmail account. But, now I want to edit it. but, I do not know how to edit it. Can someone please help Jul 25 17:29:55 so you might need to load u-boot from the mmc if something goes wrong, maybe even reflash the emmc Jul 25 17:30:17 so put it in uEnv.txt on a mmc with u-boot Jul 25 17:30:45 and press user button at poweron to load u-boot from mmc Jul 25 17:31:58 aholler uh, wow lol much thanks Jul 25 17:32:12 lol for you cde Jul 25 17:32:50 lol Jul 25 17:33:06 aholler, yeah so like I had been looking through a header file linked to me by someone for uboot. I mean for information as to what all was supported. didnt see much in the way for USB support so ill definately hve to give that a shot Jul 25 17:33:21 netboot? beagle will netboot?? Jul 25 17:33:53 JFK911 my write up of it here Jul 25 17:33:55 http://www.embeddedhobbyist.com/debian-tips/beaglebone-black/beaglebone-black-network-boot/ Jul 25 17:34:11 do note im very debian centric, but that should work for any distro Jul 25 17:34:17 ooh oke! nice Jul 25 17:34:27 m_billybob: add an entry at elinux.org as thanks if it works to describe it for others ;) Jul 25 17:35:12 ooh, classic tftp netboot. very nice Jul 25 17:35:20 i guess uboot is good Jul 25 17:35:24 aholler, ill definately blog about it and even mention your IRC handle if that dfoesnt bother you Jul 25 17:35:45 not necessary, but thanks Jul 25 17:35:50 is elinux takign new users again ? Jul 25 17:36:18 and I like my name more than my nick, if you really want to mention me. Jul 25 17:37:10 aholler would not mind at all, if i get somethign working it would be purely based on information given to me by you so i feel you would deserve the credit Jul 25 17:37:32 I just like putting the information out there Jul 25 17:37:35 it's basic u-boot knowledge Jul 25 17:37:52 plus as senile as i seem to be getting lately it'll serve me just as much as the next person lol Jul 25 17:37:57 not to me it wasnt Jul 25 17:38:54 aholler, i know a few people who were also under the impression that usb booting was not possible Jul 25 17:39:06 well for the black i mean Jul 25 17:39:47 m_billybob: don't forget to change mmcroot too, e.g. mmcroot=/dev/sda2 ro, otherwise your kernel will panic or load the root from eMMC Jul 25 17:40:23 and add rootwait Jul 25 17:40:38 ok, enough ;) Jul 25 17:41:34 ok Jul 25 17:41:38 updated: http://dpaste.com/1317265/ Jul 25 17:41:44 this needs an uImage i take it Jul 25 17:42:22 which is fine i use an uImage already for pxe boot Jul 25 17:42:54 although hmm bootm Jul 25 17:44:10 just thinking outloud Jul 25 17:46:22 thanks again aholler, off to do some work then come back and start working on this :) Jul 25 18:05:39 * Russ someone needs to tell jkridner to turn off his +1 sharing Jul 25 18:06:39 wtf were they thinking? Jul 25 18:07:09 there's already a 'reshare' button if that's what you want Jul 25 18:08:52 thankfully it's possible to hide those posts in the browser with some css trickery Jul 25 18:09:19 or uncircling trickery Jul 25 18:09:50 there are people whose 'original' posts I want to see, but not necessarily their +1s Jul 25 18:10:05 thankfully most of them have disabled the +1 sharing Jul 25 18:21:03 I'm looking through mfd drivers and notice some seem to tier irqs with regmap_add_irq_chip and some use irq_domain_add_simple or irq_domain_add_linear. Does anyone know if there is a preferred way of doing this or does everyone just do whatever the F they want? Jul 25 18:21:48 I think everyone just does whatever the f they think someone else did Jul 25 18:22:35 well. thats what I was going to do except half seem to have done it one way and the other half did it the other way. Jul 25 18:33:40 hello Jul 25 18:35:29 need help in spanish Jul 25 18:36:04 yo no hablo mucho espanol Jul 25 18:36:39 me pudieras ayudar, se quedo congelada mi tarjeta Jul 25 18:37:06 can somebody refer a book/resource for arm assembly programming on BBB? Preferably the book/resource leads to learning embedded linux from the ground up Jul 25 18:37:52 GeorgeTS: BeagleBone? BeagleBoneBlack? BeagleBoard? Jul 25 18:38:45 beagleboneblack Jul 25 18:42:50 estaba instalando driver de wifi en la BEAGLEBONE y se trabo reinicie y ya no booteo Jul 25 18:43:36 GeorgeTS: ¿Tiene usted un USB serial TTL cable? Jul 25 18:45:47 asi es Jul 25 18:51:16 JoeMoney, that's a really broad question Jul 25 18:52:03 JoeMoney, start here http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a8.php maybe Jul 25 18:52:11 **** got disconnected Jul 25 18:53:57 the canonical guide is the arm arm http://www.amazon.com/ARM-Architecture-Reference-Manual-2nd/dp/0201737191/ Jul 25 18:56:57 ok whats the fastest way to get a shell on this angstrom thing Jul 25 18:57:29 im not really interested in the webserver or beaglescript. i want to know why theres nothing listening on tcp22 or 23 Jul 25 18:57:32 :) Jul 25 19:00:48 Thanks, Russ, the reference manual is a good start before i jump into the linux kernel. I just prefer low level programming Jul 25 19:02:25 there are a ton of references out there for arm assembly Jul 25 19:03:28 JFK911: ? by default, dropbear listens on port 22. Jul 25 19:03:51 oh ok Jul 25 19:03:57 i must have been using the wrong ip before Jul 25 19:04:15 JFK911: there was a bug with dropbear keys getting corrupted. a work-around was posted on the group mailing list. Jul 25 19:04:35 (work around was how to use the existing web servers to delete the keys so they'd get regenerated) Jul 25 19:04:58 if you are on a mac or linux box, 'beaglebone.local' should work thanks to avahi. Jul 25 19:05:05 thank you. I have # Jul 25 19:05:06 ooh Jul 25 19:05:09 ie., ssh root@beaglebone.local Jul 25 19:05:43 windows is stupid, so you have to give it an IP address or download a bonjour-browser app. Jul 25 19:05:56 im using xp x64 as a host and the gadget serial driver is not correct for it Jul 25 19:06:17 is there a getty running there? Jul 25 19:08:39 oh yes i see gettys running Jul 25 19:37:26 hi bhuey Jul 25 19:46:12 Haha.... They weren't kidding Jul 25 19:56:04 no doubt Jul 25 19:57:46 took me a couple minutes to scroll up to see what was said while i was outside working lol Jul 25 20:05:44 Hi, I'm trying to use a JTAG debugger (J-link) with my BBB but I'm having some troubles. When connecting with the JTAG, the BBB reboots (is it supposed to?). The JTAG then measures the target voltage correctly but then says that the TDO pin is constant high on the target. Do I need pull-ups? Jul 25 20:06:50 why? Jul 25 20:09:30 are you providing a vref to your jtag? Jul 25 20:12:43 The vref-pin on the JTAG-connector is connected to that pin on the BBB. Jul 25 20:12:53 It reads about 3V Jul 25 20:12:57 emeb: Why what? Jul 25 20:13:17 why do you want to use a JTAG debugger? Jul 25 20:13:43 anyone know off hand if the DSS on the classic or xM can expose a YUV copy of the frame buffer? Jul 25 20:13:59 emeb: 1) I am doing OS development on the BBB 2) It's there Jul 25 20:14:33 dk-_: Cool. What kind of OS? Jul 25 20:15:44 emeb: No kind really, I'm just messing around. Jul 25 20:17:43 dk-_: OK. Most folks here don't use jtag and sometimes we get new users who don't grok that bare-metal programming on the AM335x is a bit more involved than your average AVR processor. Jul 25 20:20:03 I find jtag useeless for even bare metal stuff Jul 25 20:20:42 ds2: why is that? Jul 25 20:21:00 too much setup for code that isn't really traceable Jul 25 20:21:35 it wasn't that jtag was not available... I was working with someone working on the same thing in parallel with an XDS500 Jul 25 20:21:49 emeb: I see :) Jul 25 20:22:13 FWIW this is new board bring up on a 3503 based system Jul 25 20:22:37 dk-_: did you confirm on the schematic that P2 pinout matches your JTAG connector? Jul 25 20:22:56 emeb: Going over them again right now Jul 25 20:23:17 dk-_: it's not the old-style 20-pin JTAG FWIW Jul 25 20:23:47 But it is 20-pin TI header? Jul 25 20:24:12 Looks like it Jul 25 20:24:25 Gotcha Jul 25 20:24:50 this is a BBB or BBW? Jul 25 20:25:07 BBB Jul 25 20:27:22 what are yousing? Jul 25 20:27:32 openocd? bdi? Jul 25 20:32:15 why are people so tied to FETs Jul 25 20:32:24 what's wrong with FETs? Jul 25 20:33:13 they are capacitive Jul 25 20:33:21 and often requires way too high of a voltage Jul 25 20:33:32 what's your application? Jul 25 20:33:44 driving a bigger load with a GPIO Jul 25 20:33:54 this is in reference to the ML request for FETs Jul 25 20:34:39 you talking gate capacitance? That would have to be pretty large before GPIO can't drive it. Jul 25 20:35:08 ds2: what are alternatives to FETs? Jul 25 20:35:10 unless you're going for extreme speeds, and that has other challenges besides. Jul 25 20:35:15 cap is more of a problem with high speeds Jul 25 20:35:27 cde: Bipolars Jul 25 20:35:29 or darlingtons Jul 25 20:35:37 ok Jul 25 20:35:45 fets are really annoying at the lower voltages Jul 25 20:36:11 I have seen FETs get upset with hundreds of KHz Jul 25 20:36:12 give me an example scenario where you couldn't use a fet. Jul 25 20:36:24 1.8V logic Jul 25 20:36:34 finding suitable fets is a major hassle Jul 25 20:36:42 hmm. Jul 25 20:37:12 try looking for a min. Vth of 1.2V FET Jul 25 20:37:32 use an op amp to drive your fet Jul 25 20:37:43 heh Jul 25 20:38:32 okay Jul 25 20:40:16 part of the problem there is that the major distributors don't let you search on Vth Jul 25 20:40:46 but having a Vth too high is a major problem ;) Jul 25 20:40:58 can't argue that. Jul 25 20:41:11 are there any easy bbb housings besides the one adafruit is selling? Jul 25 20:41:38 easy for the maker or ? Jul 25 20:41:41 there are fet driver chips - they can step up the voltage from a low-vdd range to something more suitable and have guts to drive heavy cap loads. Jul 25 20:42:01 but a bipolar eliminates that Jul 25 20:42:16 so we should always use bipolar? Jul 25 20:42:19 darlingtons are a bit iffy at 1.2V, granted Jul 25 20:42:35 no, just use them when appropriate Jul 25 20:42:39 e Jul 25 20:42:51 no argument there. Jul 25 20:42:52 easy to make or cheap to buy and adapt. i suppose standoffs and perfboard is easy/cheap Jul 25 20:43:12 JFK911: laser acrylic Jul 25 20:43:14 adas box looks like a toy or something and it has her advertising all over it Jul 25 20:43:22 ya thats what she is selling Jul 25 20:43:30 laser ur own Jul 25 20:43:52 that itself is a copy of boxes done by a small company near PHX Jul 25 20:44:02 if i have to cad thats too much time Jul 25 20:44:08 maybe like a plastic box for a deck of playing cards Jul 25 20:44:17 modify an altoids tin Jul 25 20:44:19 and i can cut holes for net and power Jul 25 20:44:31 * kfoltman imagines a script that takes a list of capes and generates an appropriate design for a laser cutter Jul 25 20:44:36 use a nibbling tool for that Jul 25 20:44:43 hm. plastic soap dish Jul 25 20:44:51 with all the cutouts for the ports Jul 25 20:44:52 and you don't NEED CAD for laser Jul 25 20:45:02 write G code by hand Jul 25 20:45:02 hand-operated laser? Jul 25 20:45:12 if i have to move the turtle like LOGO, that's cad to me. Jul 25 20:45:14 be careful where you point it. Jul 25 20:45:15 light saber ;) Jul 25 20:45:50 then the altoids tin...the board is shaped to fit it Jul 25 20:46:18 emeb: What do you know...I went over the pins again and now it's connected. Thanks for the help :) Jul 25 20:46:28 dk-_: cool. Jul 25 20:46:51 ooh a cigarette box might fit. Jul 25 20:47:07 dk-_: do you have the icepick scripting needed to select ARM vs GPU? Jul 25 20:47:20 you can always 3d print one Jul 25 20:47:43 JFK911: glue one together out of popsicle sticks. Jul 25 20:47:46 emeb: I don't think so. Jul 25 20:47:57 haha it fits in a cigarette box. Jul 25 20:48:08 i have two here and one of them is close enough. Jul 25 20:48:21 hmmm... wonder if that was an accident. Jul 25 20:48:42 or if altoids tins just happen to be the same size as cig boxes. Jul 25 20:49:10 * emeb has wondered why the curvature of the arcs on the BBB corners isn't all the same. Jul 25 20:54:03 blah Jul 25 20:54:11 reszing windows killed the entire screen :( Jul 25 20:59:56 use a penguin box to be in line ;) Jul 25 21:06:13 which is a good idea. fortunately I have an empty black penguins box lying around. Jul 25 21:07:27 Fuck yeah Jul 25 21:07:34 I got my BBB in less than one week Jul 25 21:07:45 Good job USPS and Canada Post Jul 25 21:08:08 The only that could dampen the excitement is if there is now a newer revisions than C Jul 25 21:08:11 <.< Jul 25 21:08:27 hahahah Jul 25 21:08:52 whew Jul 25 21:09:21 great packaging too Jul 25 21:09:38 not just a static bag but a *3M* static back Jul 25 21:09:47 *bag Jul 25 21:10:21 so maxinux, what should I do with it now? Jul 25 21:10:24 <.< >.> Jul 25 21:12:21 are you a ham? Jul 25 21:12:27 what sort of other things than computers do you do? Jul 25 21:13:23 maxinux: When you say "ham", I think HAM radio, which I assume has nothing to do with what we're talking about Jul 25 21:13:29 yes ham radio Jul 25 21:13:34 related question :() Jul 25 21:13:36 :) Jul 25 21:13:37 oh Jul 25 21:13:40 naaaaah Jul 25 21:13:59 though I was part of an amateur/shortwave radio club once upon a time Jul 25 21:14:04 was pretty cool Jul 25 21:14:13 but unfortunately got distracted by other things Jul 25 21:14:26 maxinux: I was close to getting an amateur radio license Jul 25 21:14:30 anyway Jul 25 21:14:44 I mostly only do computers, and the software side at that Jul 25 21:15:13 I like the BBB because it will make a better download/anything-else server than the current Dell Celeron-powered shitbox in my basement Jul 25 21:15:26 Hi I just purchased two beagle bone blacks, and neither one of them seem to have hdmi out working on them. Is there something I have to do to enable hdmi output before it will boot with hdmi enabled? Jul 25 21:15:40 speaking of Hams, has anyone turned the BBB into a TNC? Jul 25 21:15:58 bbb + lcd3 for rtl sdr .. Jul 25 21:16:08 ds2: nice idea, but no internal adc .. so it would have to be external Jul 25 21:16:15 lots of rtl sdr use Jul 25 21:16:29 a BBB shortware radio? Jul 25 21:16:37 there is an internal ADC Jul 25 21:16:52 there is? Jul 25 21:17:02 maxinux: more like a pondered idea Jul 25 21:17:04 I have considered afredi-sdr for that purpose, but haven't invested in it yet Jul 25 21:17:06 yep. 8 channels of it Jul 25 21:17:08 no DAC though Jul 25 21:17:10 I have an old Grundig SW radio sitting around Jul 25 21:17:11 just a PWM Jul 25 21:17:17 digital tuning Jul 25 21:17:18 ah no dac.. ok Jul 25 21:17:33 would make a nice case for the BBB >.> Jul 25 21:17:41 so you'd need that still .. darn Jul 25 21:18:47 PWM might do Jul 25 21:19:10 cool. some razor cuts and a piece of foam in the end of the box and the cigarette packet is perfect to keep me and cat from shorting out bbb Jul 25 21:21:18 I must say, the Adafruit case is very cool Jul 25 21:21:22 but expensive :( Jul 25 21:21:49 At least I've dozen AC adapters sitting around Jul 25 21:22:00 buy a 5V AC? Don't be silly Jul 25 21:41:42 hello Jul 25 21:43:55 anyone here Jul 25 21:44:28 no Jul 25 21:45:07 no-one but us trolls Jul 25 21:45:14 i see Jul 25 21:45:25 so no beagle owners Jul 25 21:45:40 * _troll_ waves Jul 25 21:45:40 it's a joke. ask your question. Jul 25 21:46:03 hollysMOM: depends on if you mean a dog breed or an ARM dev board Jul 25 21:46:10 emeb: What did you mean about selecting ARM vs GPU? Everything seems to be working now (GDB etc.) and I'm not using GPU, so I suppose I don't need it? Jul 25 21:46:35 kfoltman: I can't do my homework, the beagle ate the beagle Jul 25 21:46:49 dk-_: cool. your jtag system must be smart enough to select the ARM properly. Jul 25 21:47:02 Seems to be. Segger J-Link. Jul 25 21:47:05 evening everyone o/ Jul 25 21:47:27 i have a 4 year old beagle and shes getting a little hefty and was wondering if anyone had tips Jul 25 21:47:47 take her to the vet Jul 25 21:47:51 mru: I wouldn't mind eating a bagel Jul 25 21:47:52 have you tried turning it off an on again? Jul 25 21:49:12 she goes to the vet regularly shes on a reduced calorie food but not much luck. still a chunk lol Jul 25 21:49:30 ah, low-power mode Jul 25 21:49:40 then follow mru's advice. power-cycle it. Jul 25 21:49:41 hollysMOM: this channel isn't for dogs. it's for a type of computer called beagle. Jul 25 21:50:10 and trolls Jul 25 21:50:14 don't forget the trolls Jul 25 21:50:19 oh my bad Jul 25 21:50:23 how can we forget the trolls? Jul 25 21:50:30 there everywhere, all the time. Jul 25 21:50:38 emeb: one does not simply forget the trolls Jul 25 21:50:40 removing gnome and the storage gadget got my bbb idle finally Jul 25 21:51:02 i think i found a bug. cant add software. 'yum' not found? Jul 25 21:51:09 hollysMOM: when beagles die, we take away their bones, hence everyone talking about beaglebone this and beaglebone that Jul 25 21:51:23 that's... macabre. Jul 25 21:51:51 but, is it really? Jul 25 21:51:57 and each beaglebone is worth 45 to 50 bucks... one could start a business Jul 25 21:52:13 wow - those dogs are really worth a lot more dead than alive! Jul 25 21:52:23 that's the spirit! Jul 25 21:52:38 the spirit is hard to catch Jul 25 21:52:40 but remember: you need them alive to replicate more bones Jul 25 21:52:42 previously only the meat was worth monty Jul 25 21:52:48 in asia Jul 25 21:52:55 gotta bottle it quickly or it drifts away Jul 25 21:53:39 serious question now: i plugged a webcam on my BBB, lsusb shows the device, but there's no /dev/video0 Jul 25 21:54:19 missing driver? Jul 25 21:54:20 try it on a linux PC and see if it works Jul 25 21:54:41 it works, we were using it yesterday on BBB with ubuntu Jul 25 21:54:49 gui_: yes, sounds like missing kernel module I think Jul 25 21:54:49 now I'm trying on angstrom Jul 25 21:54:50 ok, but not angstrom? Jul 25 21:55:03 blame systemd Jul 25 21:55:06 figure out which kernel module it is and see if its built/installed Jul 25 21:55:09 there you go Jul 25 21:55:52 and yesterday it was working with angstrom too, in a different device Jul 25 21:56:02 lemme think Jul 25 21:56:15 what device? was it a different type of device? Jul 25 21:56:20 what are you guys being lame about Jul 25 21:56:21 no, another BBB Jul 25 21:56:32 same version of angstrom? Jul 25 21:56:35 we have 4 of them here Jul 25 21:56:53 yes, the same version Jul 25 21:56:57 the latest Jul 25 21:57:18 did you drop the webcam in a tank of water since then? Jul 25 21:57:24 the only difference I can think of is that I just finished compiling openCV in this one Jul 25 21:57:48 georgem: maybe a tank of mercury Jul 25 21:58:33 no, the only solution we have here is a giant pool of phosphor dissolved in gasoline Jul 25 22:00:12 There doesn't seem to be a rational explanation to the problem based on the given information. Jul 25 22:00:13 take a dive and the go dry under the sun. pretty good for skin Jul 25 22:00:37 sounds nasty Jul 25 22:00:53 looks hot though Jul 25 22:00:54 is that the stuff they make vampires of? Jul 25 22:01:12 no Jul 25 22:01:14 google it Jul 25 22:03:08 yellow phosphorus + gasoline, to be precise Jul 25 22:03:27 or any other apolar liquid fuel Jul 25 22:04:16 sounds very flammable. time for me to drive home though. don't set yourself a blaze Jul 25 22:04:31 georgem: that was my thought as well Jul 25 22:05:04 it's not flammable Jul 25 22:05:12 unless you add some oxigen ;) Jul 25 22:05:23 air is full of it Jul 25 22:05:55 well, if you decide bath in it make sure you do it in a vacuum Jul 25 22:06:45 won't a helium environment suffice? Jul 25 22:06:51 or even nitrogen Jul 25 22:07:14 sure Jul 25 22:07:26 even hidrogen Jul 25 22:07:35 radon Jul 25 22:07:42 any gas but oxigen Jul 25 22:08:04 I doubt chlorine would be advisable Jul 25 22:08:14 it's perfectly safe Jul 25 22:08:23 there's no combustion in the absence of O2 Jul 25 22:08:32 wrong Jul 25 22:08:43 lots of things burn very well in chlorine Jul 25 22:08:59 for instance Jul 25 22:09:10 not phosphorus Jul 25 22:09:34 and if the phosphorus does not react with oxygen, it won't ignite the gasoline Jul 25 22:09:50 the gasoline might ignite all by itself though Jul 25 22:10:26 you win this round, mister... Jul 25 22:10:59 and burning or not, it all sounds seriously unhealthy Jul 25 22:11:10 it is Jul 25 22:11:27 it's used in incendiary bombs Jul 25 22:12:11 you spray it on people... not longer after that, the phosphour will ignite and set the person on fire Jul 25 22:12:29 like a vampire Jul 25 22:12:38 person jump in a river, fire goes off Jul 25 22:12:58 phosphour and fuel don't dissolve on water Jul 25 22:13:10 when they get out of the river, will be set on fire again Jul 25 22:14:13 time for me to go. NSA might be tracking me for teaching chemistry. Jul 25 22:22:06 KotH: http://www.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/legacy/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/radium-chocolate.jpg Jul 25 22:28:29 oh, those whacky german snake-oil salesment. Jul 25 22:28:33 -t Jul 25 22:28:49 you can be sure those customers won't be bothering you. Jul 25 22:30:59 mru: i wonder whether this realy contained radium Jul 25 22:31:59 emeb: uhmm.. you know that about 100y ago, radium solutions were a very popular all around health and energy drink, widely sold in the us and europe Jul 25 22:38:36 KotH: ya - I've seen similar stuff. Jul 25 22:39:16 and I do know that radium poisoning is fairly slow acting... Jul 25 22:51:11 whoa - ubuntu-edge ndgogo is > 6M Jul 25 23:22:52 here we go http://i.imgur.com/MAKFaTu.jpg perfect Jul 25 23:27:32 haha Jul 25 23:27:48 $20 in my pocket and not ladyada's Jul 25 23:28:30 15, technically Jul 25 23:28:35 since the smokes cost you 5 :) Jul 25 23:30:22 so technically you are stealing $20 from ladyada? Jul 25 23:31:09 someone's using RIAA math? Jul 25 23:31:25 but that is the official math. Jul 25 23:31:38 ds2: are you working for RIAA? :D Jul 26 00:06:34 this processor is really cool Jul 26 00:10:59 i guess the pru's are intended to be communications handlers Jul 26 00:13:30 probably Jul 26 00:13:56 migrating from borabora to aruba...it will take about an hour Jul 26 01:17:32 iiuc, there is currently no mechanism in the device tree firmware loader to discriminate between a bbb & bbw? Jul 26 01:20:00 the kernel is agnostic in this respect Jul 26 01:20:17 except the bbw comes with a 3.2 kernel. Jul 26 01:24:41 i'm trying to set mux through pin mode and it's not being set Jul 26 01:25:03 is the feature implemented in bone.js? Jul 26 01:25:16 heh, my bbw(s) haven't had a 3.2 kernel in ages. they still ship with 3.2? Jul 26 01:25:31 kd0vyu, dunno Jul 26 01:25:45 goge, insufficient information to process request. Jul 26 01:26:08 what board, what version of firmware etc... Jul 26 01:26:20 kd0vyu, which kernel? Jul 26 01:26:26 beagle bone black, latest flash Jul 26 01:26:35 kd0vyu, believe they do still ship with 3.2 Jul 26 01:26:41 having trouble flashing beaglebone black - after an hour 2 leds are on - not 4. Is this normal? Jul 26 01:26:51 no Jul 26 01:27:16 Any idea why that might happen? Jul 26 01:27:32 Guest50999 how are you powering the board ? Jul 26 01:27:47 5v wall wart Jul 26 01:27:55 do you have ethernet plugged in? Jul 26 01:27:59 no Jul 26 01:27:59 known good supply ? Jul 26 01:28:12 goge, sorry, I don't know Jul 26 01:28:18 (because I don't do JS) Jul 26 01:28:24 me either. Jul 26 01:28:29 brand new - but I've not measured it Jul 26 01:28:40 kd0vyu, what version are you using currently? Jul 26 01:28:46 .8 or .11 or ??? Jul 26 01:28:51 Guest50999, typically this is usualy a power issue, but not always Jul 26 01:29:12 ka6sox: various at the moment. one has 3.8.13, the others, I'd have to ssh into to determine. Jul 26 01:29:21 I have 3 Jul 26 01:29:23 it came with 5/20. I'm try to flash to the latest. (6/20/13) Jul 26 01:29:29 Guest50999, if you have a serial debug cable or a 3v3 ttl UART module you could find out whats happenign at boot time Jul 26 01:29:35 kd0vyu, okay Jul 26 01:29:43 err Jul 26 01:29:51 no debug cable Jul 26 01:29:53 could find out whats going on during the flashing stage Jul 26 01:30:16 Guest50999: I flashed to the latest today, but I had to try twice Jul 26 01:30:30 Guest50999: also, the latest I'm using is the 7/24 test image Jul 26 01:30:56 I'll try again. Thank you all for your advice. Jul 26 01:31:06 none given yet :/ Jul 26 01:32:37 got 40 minutes left to copy files off a drive i need, and actually its only 1/3 of what i need to move off it Jul 26 01:32:54 * m_billybob is going ot attempt USB HDD boot on the BBB when its done Jul 26 01:33:10 ka6sox, how you been ? Jul 26 01:33:24 ka6sox: the 3.8.13 is debian. haven't messed w/ debian in awhile, but based on yesterday's UART comments, I thought I'd refresh my memory Jul 26 01:33:44 kd0vyu, excellent Jul 26 01:33:53 so its a HF setup? Jul 26 01:33:54 kd0vyu, thats pretty cloe to what i run on my bbb Jul 26 01:34:04 close* Jul 26 01:34:04 m_billybob, too much work.. Jul 26 01:34:13 i hear that ka6sox ! Jul 26 01:34:22 different type of work here most likely Jul 26 01:35:01 we've been landscaping our property here . . . Jul 26 01:35:08 dueling tractors Jul 26 01:35:54 not dueling banjos? Jul 26 01:35:58 lol Jul 26 01:36:05 heh Jul 26 01:36:18 squeel . . . Jul 26 01:36:33 the first thing I learned to drive was a tractor, at 10 Jul 26 01:37:07 hmm couldnt say when i first learned to drive one although technically not a tractor Jul 26 01:37:22 there isnt much on this planet that I cant drive now though Jul 26 01:38:06 m_billybob, a supertanker? Jul 26 01:38:12 motocycle would be one lol i nearly hate motocycles with a passion Jul 26 01:38:56 ka6sox i had my class A CDL . . . with every endorsement under the sun. if its got wheels, and drives on the road . . .yeap Jul 26 01:39:26 boats, no, aircraft, no Jul 26 01:40:10 submarines? ROVs? Jul 26 01:40:17 lol Jul 26 01:40:42 I once had to repo an aircraft fuel tanker truck from a local airport. double clutch, 18 forward gears. Jul 26 01:41:07 yeah thats typical Jul 26 01:41:30 all big trucks require double clutch though most now days have between 9-13 gears Jul 26 01:42:35 the worst I drove was a Split axle dump truck... Jul 26 01:42:44 with the stupid pull knob thingy Jul 26 01:43:02 id have to see one to know what you meant Jul 26 01:43:33 and of course i havent driven every vehicle under the sun Jul 26 01:43:45 can drive a tank though and an APC for that matter Jul 26 01:44:02 * m_billybob was mechanized infantry Jul 26 01:44:33 the shifter had had this round knob you pulled up occasionally Jul 26 01:44:43 ah Jul 26 01:44:45 with your index/middle finger. Jul 26 01:45:24 most shifters, atleast on cross country rigs have like a level on the left side of the shifter. you flip it upwards with your thumb to go into high range Jul 26 01:45:30 or down to go into low range Jul 26 01:45:46 air actuated Jul 26 01:46:12 err have a lever* Jul 26 01:46:43 off topic, heh, ka6sox, what kind of amateur radio shack do you run? Jul 26 01:47:05 is #beagle ever on topic? Jul 26 01:47:24 it is when people have questions ( usually ) Jul 26 01:48:22 kd0vyu, but hey while we're sitting here off topic. How do i get rasbian on my BBB ?! Jul 26 01:48:26 * m_billybob giggles Jul 26 01:49:01 kd0vyu, mostly remote... Jul 26 01:49:17 on the mountiantop. Jul 26 01:50:49 m_billybob: lol. raspbian. Jul 26 01:51:49 I have have a pi, put openelec on it, and it sits behind the bedroom tv. Jul 26 01:52:51 ka6sox: yeah, i kinda guessed that you do that professionally Jul 26 01:53:40 ka6sox you're a radio station engineer too ? Jul 26 01:54:22 yes Jul 26 01:54:24 my buddy wulf here has been a radio station engineer for like . . .hmm 20 years maybe Jul 26 01:54:40 and an EE for 35 + Jul 26 01:54:50 same thing Jul 26 01:55:37 awesome. Jul 26 01:56:15 mostly though for the last 8 or so years, hes been working temp. something like 1 week a month Jul 26 02:06:42 I think this disk cleaning if going ot turn into an all night thing Jul 26 02:06:51 is going ot turn into an all night thing Jul 26 02:48:49 The beaglebone black flash update succeeded on the third try - 4 leds on. Jul 26 02:51:36 :) Jul 26 02:55:00 I have an idea about what might have been the problem. After the second failure I took the board out of the box - where it had been secured with four screws. It's possible the board may have been under some mechanical stress. Jul 26 02:56:50 interesting Jul 26 02:58:32 morning mrpackethead Jul 26 02:58:38 . **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 26 02:59:57 2013