**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 30 02:59:58 2013 Jul 30 04:42:46 hi all Jul 30 04:43:23 can any body suggest me how to fix the linux device driver bugs Jul 30 04:43:42 is there any method to follow for the bug fixing Jul 30 04:44:24 how to fix the segmentation faults in driver Jul 30 04:44:30 * dm8tbr would suggest to follow a 'kernel developer workflow' and to read the oreilly linux device driver book Jul 30 04:47:44 ok in kernel how to debug the segmentation faults Jul 30 04:48:20 in kernel how to debug the segmentation faults Jul 30 06:03:33 I just purchased a miniature wifi module from Adafruit (http://www.adafruit.com/products/814) and am trying to get it working on my beagleboard black. I see from their tutorial that this might not be supported? Is that true? Does anyone have a workaround or a resource for me to look at? Jul 30 06:03:44 or, rather, any suggestions on how to get it working? Jul 30 06:04:31 * dm8tbr looks Jul 30 06:05:09 it has instructions for the BB... Jul 30 06:05:28 abetusk: it is supported, just need to make sure you have the firmware loaded onto the root file system Jul 30 06:06:26 it's a common RT chipset after all Jul 30 06:07:46 ah, ok, let me work through it Jul 30 06:08:56 hmpf, hmpf, I wish the courier with my parts would finally show up Jul 30 06:09:13 some nice 5V regulators and also my BBB in that package Jul 30 06:09:33 dm8tbr: watterrott? Jul 30 06:09:39 should actually try running a BBW/BBB off a LiIon with those Jul 30 06:09:41 yeah Jul 30 06:09:52 it's now in delivery by finnish post Jul 30 06:24:54 sorry for the newbie question, but I think I just installed the drivers properly (opkg install inux-firmware-rtl8192cu) and I see a wlan0 when doing 'ifconfig'. I've started creating '/var/lib/connman/wifi.config' but I don't know what the network is. Are there discovery tools I can use to see what wifi networks are available? Should I be installing a particular package? Jul 30 06:25:35 iwlist wlan0 scan Jul 30 06:25:42 will show you networks Jul 30 06:25:55 use 'iw' Jul 30 06:26:00 wireless-tools is deprecated Jul 30 06:26:01 there are also connman test tools Jul 30 06:26:06 ah :) Jul 30 06:26:09 http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/iw Jul 30 06:26:36 koen, thanks Jul 30 06:27:01 * dm8tbr has to admit to not using wireless-tools in at least 2 years. most stuff just automagically happens with network-damager Jul 30 06:27:40 dm8tbr: with iw you can connect to a WEP network in one go, for the rest it's kinda like ifconfig vs ip Jul 30 06:27:48 k Jul 30 06:36:27 So I can use iw to setup the connect without having to restart connman? Jul 30 06:40:42 and what about wps security? Jul 30 06:41:07 if you are using WPA, then use connman Jul 30 06:47:14 after issuing a 'systemctl restart connman.service', it just hangs. I'm logged in via ssh over usb... Jul 30 06:48:02 and when trying to re-establish the ssh connection, I get 'no route to host' Jul 30 06:50:24 * dm8tbr would recommend to check through something reliable like UART Jul 30 06:50:31 yeah... Jul 30 07:00:10 tooooooooyyyyyyyyyz'r'mine! Jul 30 07:00:32 * dm8tbr rips open the watterott parcel Jul 30 07:02:54 Hi Jul 30 07:03:02 Hi :) Jul 30 07:03:44 !kernel Jul 30 07:04:32 In my training institute I used Beagleboard-xm so I like it.But now I want to purchase my own board.So tell me which is better BB-xm or BBB / why / Jul 30 07:04:59 vicky: just compare the specs ? Jul 30 07:05:47 beaglebord-xm or beaglebone black ? Jul 30 07:07:33 beaglebord-xm or beaglebone black ? which is best for beginner ? Jul 30 07:08:02 vicky: first difference price Jul 30 07:08:15 Second arm type Jul 30 07:09:50 vicky: easiest for beginners, depends,hwat you want to do ? :) Jul 30 07:11:22 How to develope general method to create own configure kernel,file system,Boot loader,other BSP for any board in the world from scratch that means without use of any material provided from board vendor ? Jul 30 07:11:57 vicky: both boot from SD-card iirc so both would work with that Jul 30 07:12:16 mind you, you still need to download the kernel sources from their site, as it's not mainline yet Jul 30 07:14:54 INFO: the wall wart from the Fon wifi router fits the BBBK Jul 30 07:15:03 And what if we exclude CPU and RAM speed and compare Beaglebone Black and FriendlyARM mini6410 ? according to me mini6410 provide lots of onboard peripherals than BBB , Jul 30 07:15:19 vicky: correct Jul 30 07:15:31 i'll referer back to what you want to do with it ? :) Jul 30 07:17:08 sorry I don't get you.Are you suggesting Beaglebone black is best even it has very few onboard peripherals . Jul 30 07:19:30 hello Jul 30 07:20:36 a wonderfull, JIHADy, good morning, everyone! Jul 30 07:22:49 why not to choose beagleboard-xm comparing with beaglebone black ? Jul 30 07:29:25 vicky: for the lulz! Jul 30 07:30:44 what that means ? Jul 30 07:31:43 yes. Jul 30 07:43:52 * KotH sighs Jul 30 07:44:06 why can't people listen when you tell them that they have to decide for yourself? Jul 30 07:45:26 Because then they can't yell at you for making the wrong decision Jul 30 07:45:47 they do but they're too lazy to find out and/or insecure if they have the info.. which is quite a boatful :) Jul 30 07:46:04 most people want everything in one Jul 30 07:47:06 http://cdn.10centuries.com/content/jason/2010/09/elephantsmoon.jpg Jul 30 07:47:06 1024 gpio, 512 pwm channels at 1GHz, 1080p120 3d hdmi, hardware h.264 decoding, 5.1 audio etc in a $20 credit card size Jul 30 07:49:57 looks like I bought a bunk powered usb hub off ebay :( Jul 30 07:49:59 and Linux, Android, iOs and Windows running on that thing Jul 30 07:50:48 I do admire the brazen gusto with which many of the people coming to this channel attack embedded linux Jul 30 07:51:34 sometimes it's a bit overboard and there's a huge gap between can vs. want and too little ditch-digging willingness but at least they are trying :) Jul 30 07:51:39 but the BBB is powering wifi dongle and streaming HD webcam with an unpowered hub so oh well Jul 30 07:52:52 Vaizki: yeah... Jul 30 07:53:42 Vaizki: but it's imho a generall phenomena: people don't want to learn how to use something. they just want it to work as they expect it to, and do what they mean it to do Jul 30 07:59:21 koen: those people should buy products Jul 30 08:01:46 like the RPi!!1 Jul 30 08:01:49 no wait Jul 30 08:02:53 dm8tbr: nah! those people should give me money! lots of it! Jul 30 08:04:57 sure, if they are willing to pay for a custom product :) Jul 30 08:05:22 they should be ready to buy up the swiss strategic chocolate reserves to pay you for it though ;) Jul 30 08:05:47 at least! Jul 30 08:06:24 i also require the moon in order to be able to work properly Jul 30 08:06:31 Hello Jul 30 08:06:31 some of those people are like the person who bet me $100 they'd would launch there phone into space using a weather balloon launched rocket within a month Jul 30 08:06:49 o_0 Jul 30 08:06:58 big ideas, no clue how to accomplish Jul 30 08:07:23 which is best between beagleboard-xm and beaglebone black ? Jul 30 08:07:30 was he even able to launch a baloon? Jul 30 08:07:41 never even bought one Jul 30 08:08:08 vicky: i hate to tell you... no wait, i love it to tell you, that you should read the specs yourself and decide for YOURSELF what is best for YOU Jul 30 08:08:27 vicky: key to success is persistence Jul 30 08:08:31 pretty sure BBB is best for the coinage Jul 30 08:08:40 vicky: the other key to success is knowing when to quit Jul 30 08:08:45 mastiff_: given the fact that i have never launched a baloon that high, i would assume that it would take me at least a month to get that part working Jul 30 08:09:06 mastiff_: launching a rocked from there... another couple of months of designing and testing .... ^^' Jul 30 08:09:56 there is also that slight problem of the baloon being directly where the rocket is supposed to go... ;) Jul 30 08:10:20 dm8tbr: launch horizontally, then go up... like the pegasus rocked used to Jul 30 08:10:21 sure it would just go through the thin skin, still Jul 30 08:10:41 that needs a rocket that's able to guide itself Jul 30 08:10:52 the main problem the guy didn't realize is that to actually get something into orbit, you have to achieve escape velocity Jul 30 08:11:16 er.. no Jul 30 08:11:24 he thought he invented the brilliant idea of launching a tiny rocket off a weather balloon Jul 30 08:11:30 to get something into orbit, you do _not_ want it to reach escape velocity :) Jul 30 08:12:17 I am beginner and want to develope my own kernel,file system,bootloader,BSP,linux device driver for board then in that case whicch is best ? I know specification wise both are same.BB-xm have just DSP and no onboard eMMC. Jul 30 08:12:19 Hi, I was wondering if it is actually possible to restart the BBB after a power loss? Or at least setup WoL? Jul 30 08:12:42 can't tell if trolling or just stupid Jul 30 08:12:48 me neither :O Jul 30 08:12:49 Force_: it should boot once power is resumed? Jul 30 08:13:01 yes Jul 30 08:13:18 vicky: why not start by designing your own board. that way you'll know that it's the best Jul 30 08:13:23 Force_: so? Jul 30 08:13:59 Well if I plug in the BBB I have to press the shutdown button, it doesn't start itself Jul 30 08:14:17 all of mine do Jul 30 08:14:25 you broke it Jul 30 08:14:28 I am from India .If from US then definitely start from board designing ? Jul 30 08:14:43 it all becomes clear now Jul 30 08:14:46 yeah Jul 30 08:14:47 dear god Jul 30 08:15:07 did you just land an embedded linux system designer job with a pimped up cv? :D Jul 30 08:15:09 this is why we have crappy software Jul 30 08:15:32 KotH: you launch balloons? Jul 30 08:16:09 how could it possible be broken? oO Jul 30 08:16:17 mastiff_: nope, i dont Jul 30 08:16:27 Force_: things break Jul 30 08:16:33 Force_: or are broken by design Jul 30 08:17:24 Force_: also some people have a break-everything-field around them, that destroys any technological artifact within a 10m radius Jul 30 08:17:50 Vaizki: lol Jul 30 08:18:16 Here all are just sells men for beaglebone black. Jul 30 08:18:38 vicky: no we are just annoyed by you asking the same question over and over again Jul 30 08:19:09 vicky: if you want to do embedded linux then there is no way around FUCKING GET A BOARD AND START DOING SOMETHING Jul 30 08:19:15 damn... Jul 30 08:19:18 well... Jul 30 08:19:32 nah man he's gonna design his own FS, BL and kernel Jul 30 08:19:39 I'm sure of it Jul 30 08:19:47 he doesn't even need a board to do that Jul 30 08:20:27 i make $55 for every BBB I sell Jul 30 08:21:32 oh well, I just saw the board actually starts automatically if I haven't issued a shutdown/halt command before Jul 30 08:21:45 but still interesting, I mean how does the board memorize that state? Jul 30 08:23:51 * KotH would guess the pmic does that Jul 30 08:24:52 yea it does Jul 30 08:29:25 okay, thanks you guys :) Jul 30 08:31:01 Here's a streaming video test from my BBB. If it's working will be puppy cam tomorrow. rtsp://firepowerelectric.com:8554/proxyStream Jul 30 08:31:36 should be able to open that in VLC Jul 30 08:31:41 * dm8tbr ponders if the BBB has b0rken SSH in the default image that comes on the emmc Jul 30 08:32:08 ~$ ssh 192.168.7.2 Jul 30 08:32:08 ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer Jul 30 08:32:42 WFM Jul 30 08:32:53 mastiff_: what are you using for streaming? Jul 30 08:33:35 not very bw-efficient... 300kbyte/s Jul 30 08:33:37 mastiff_: is this load testing? you trying to see if it will handle 50 clients? :) Jul 30 08:34:23 my vlc isn't showing anything Jul 30 08:34:25 is there a pmic on the bbb? that would provide battery sensing? Jul 30 08:34:30 yes Jul 30 08:34:37 well define sensing? Jul 30 08:34:48 oh to warn if battery level drops too low Jul 30 08:34:55 it offers low voltage protection and will even charg a lipo Jul 30 08:35:02 C920 camera > openCV & vlc on BBB > live555 proxy on my vps Jul 30 08:35:05 very cool Jul 30 08:35:15 mastiff_: ah, neat Jul 30 08:35:23 cde: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps65217c.pdf Jul 30 08:35:36 I may need to have linode up the bandwidth for more streams Jul 30 08:35:43 mastiff_: I'll need to try using WebM as the codec and icecast as the streaming server Jul 30 08:35:48 also not sure yet how to adjust the bitrate Jul 30 08:36:04 just got it working and still figuring out the details Jul 30 08:36:04 but I'm not sure if there's a way to get a low voltage battery notification before the PMIC just shuts down Jul 30 08:36:18 but maybe you can read the current input voltage over i2c Jul 30 08:36:20 I see it now. with the nice TP just behind it Jul 30 08:36:26 for a static picture on Theora or VP8 I wouldn't expect to see more than 100kbit/s so around 8kbyte/s Jul 30 08:38:56 already have web inteface setup for remote gpio toggling over ssh, currently LED, but will be treat dispenser for mastiff pups on the video stream Jul 30 08:40:11 it's just streaming h.264 720p off the cam Jul 30 08:41:06 hmm the PMIC provides an analog multiplexer that allows you to get system, battery, charging etc volts to the soc Jul 30 08:41:15 any recommendation for a good video cam for the bbb? low power if possible Jul 30 08:41:33 logitech c920 Jul 30 08:41:37 Vaizki: cool, so the analog gpio could sense it Jul 30 08:41:47 thanks mastiff_ Jul 30 08:42:03 cde: if it's connected somewhere :) Jul 30 08:42:26 oh right. well at worst I can remove the silk to access the viaas Jul 30 08:42:42 let's see... Jul 30 08:42:49 if there are vias for those Jul 30 08:43:51 nope.. MUX_OUT (pin 16) is not connected on the BBB Jul 30 08:44:10 cde: check the streaming vid link above. see how nice this glass looks? Jul 30 08:44:55 _av500_: any idea when archos video player will get updated to work on 4.3? Jul 30 08:47:15 cde: the pmic battery charger requires a 10k NTC for temperature monitoring or it won't charge. just so you know. Jul 30 08:48:23 that's good to know, thanks Jul 30 08:49:08 but I would like to also monitor battery voltage without extra components if possible so let me know if you find a way :) Jul 30 08:50:36 mastiff_: it looks incredibly sharp indeed Jul 30 08:50:47 Vaizki: sure thing :) Jul 30 08:52:15 How do i boot u-boot from SD-card ? Jul 30 08:54:09 cde: yes it does sometimes, but I wanna get manual focus setup also.... Jul 30 08:54:50 the autofocus gets confused at times Jul 30 09:05:19 I'm stuck at "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel." any tips ? Jul 30 09:06:16 Qantourisc: are you sure the console is set right? maybe the kernel boots but you don't see it Jul 30 09:06:20 Qantourisc: have you tried looking at both serial console and HDMI output? Jul 30 09:06:34 kfoltman: no, but should the cpu be blinking ? Jul 30 09:06:45 blinking cpu? :D Jul 30 09:06:51 Qantourisc: also, are you using the right device tree version? Jul 30 09:06:52 i mean the LED :) Jul 30 09:07:03 kfoltman: how do i check/know ? Jul 30 09:07:05 it should show the heartbeat after it boots Jul 30 09:07:18 no heartbeat Jul 30 09:07:23 let me get the hdmi Jul 30 09:07:28 if you're using a BBB you need the .dtb for it, not the regular beaglebone Jul 30 09:07:34 still console=/dev/ttyO0 should work ? Jul 30 09:07:44 "uImage-dtb.am335x-boneblack" ? Jul 30 09:07:51 it might get stuck in the middle of booting the kernel, say, because of not being able to find the root fs Jul 30 09:07:57 perhaps? Jul 30 09:08:11 I think I've used a separate one Jul 30 09:08:27 I mean, uImage loaded separately from .dtb Jul 30 09:08:34 but I'm not sure if it matters Jul 30 09:09:30 no video input Jul 30 09:09:56 ow there we go Jul 30 09:10:01 root= is missing Jul 30 09:10:07 so failure to set or use terminal Jul 30 09:10:24 well no Jul 30 09:10:30 failure to set the bootargs Jul 30 09:10:30 well, if you don't have root fs, it can't run a shell or anything like that Jul 30 09:10:46 No the problem is bootargs=root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200 console=ttyO0,115200 Jul 30 09:10:54 running that doesn't seem to cut it ? Jul 30 09:10:56 yes, I think you can pick serial console vs HDMI via bootargs Jul 30 09:11:10 why 3 times? Jul 30 09:11:20 normally it should work iirc :) Jul 30 09:11:30 kfoltman: and 4 times because it wasn't working :) Jul 30 09:11:36 should be O0 right ? Jul 30 09:11:38 yes Jul 30 09:11:49 the serial header is O0 Jul 30 09:12:03 the root setting might be dodgy as well :) Jul 30 09:12:56 nea Jul 30 09:13:00 and that I can fix :) Jul 30 09:13:06 once i get the boot args to the kernel Jul 30 09:13:31 so how do i set stuff in uEnv.txt ? :p Jul 30 09:14:41 nice cap: http://bear24rw.blogspot.fr/2013/07/beaglebone-gamingcape.html Jul 30 09:14:42 well worksy now Jul 30 09:14:53 just not surehow to set it in uEnv.txt Jul 30 09:17:27 jet: nice Jul 30 09:36:18 hi Jul 30 09:37:05 meh, armhf.com's images bring RCNs kernel, but no headers. Jul 30 09:42:01 mmh .. does "sgetty" ring a bell ? Jul 30 09:44:55 meh.. the PMIC MUX_OUT is connected to a SoC pin on the BBW but not the BBB :( Jul 30 09:45:53 and I can read over I2C the power good flags for AC adapter and USB power inputs but no way to see current input voltage or battery voltage without the MUX_OUT Jul 30 09:49:53 Vaizki: use the power of a soldering iron! Jul 30 09:50:04 Vaizki: but refrain from wearing a cape while soldering Jul 30 09:50:42 I don't have a BBB here so can't check how pin 16 on the PMIC looks on the board Jul 30 09:52:25 Ok how do i boot u-boot from sd-card ? Jul 30 09:53:08 Vaizki: it looks unconnected to me. also had to solder on Jul 30 09:54:48 *hard Jul 30 09:55:18 yea well I can see it's unconnected from the circuit diagrams Jul 30 09:55:41 cde: "hard" is a very relative term Jul 30 09:55:52 A hold the USR button :) Jul 30 09:55:55 cde: it matters a lot how much experience you have and how fine your solder tip is Jul 30 09:56:38 I don't have that much experience.. might make more sense for me to just put in an external analog mux chop Jul 30 09:56:40 chip Jul 30 09:56:54 especially since I'm sure I have some around Jul 30 09:57:44 yes that might be easier Jul 30 09:59:24 well at least I can see if the input power is good over i2c Jul 30 09:59:33 that's something, tells me if we're running on battery or not Jul 30 10:00:03 KotH: in this case it's a VQFN package with 0.3mm pitch. not easy ;) Jul 30 10:00:28 cde: oh.. ok.. get a veeeeeeeeeeeery fine tip and a microscope :) Jul 30 10:00:51 yes that might work Jul 30 10:03:21 it would have been oh so great to get an additional test point there like the battery TPs Jul 30 10:03:32 so where do I submit my ideas ;) Jul 30 10:03:49 they must have though the credit card form factor was more important ;) Jul 30 10:04:57 sure but for backward compatibility with the BBW ;) Jul 30 10:08:46 what we arguing about trolls Jul 30 10:09:34 soldering tips and bbb form factors Jul 30 10:09:57 and of course, the usual: chocolate, guns, government forms and beer Jul 30 10:13:08 Anyone knows *IF* I can run am33x on x86 using qemu ? Jul 30 10:13:18 oh soldering tips Jul 30 10:13:20 well Jul 30 10:13:45 My hakko FX-951 eats your soldering iron Jul 30 10:17:27 mrpackethead: my ersa rds-80 eats your fx-951 for breakfast Jul 30 10:21:24 I don't even remember the make of my soldering iron :( Jul 30 10:22:07 ah. actually I do. Xytronic. Jul 30 10:25:25 ah.. your soldering iron is the filling of mrpackethead ones stomach :) Jul 30 10:26:11 cadence: $7k altium $9k Jul 30 10:26:13 eagle $2k Jul 30 10:26:59 * KotH nods Jul 30 10:27:28 i think there would be a market for a new EDA tool in the price range of 2-5k Jul 30 10:27:39 especially if it runs on linux too :) Jul 30 10:33:41 KotH: I only own a 'smoldering iron' - this bad? Jul 30 10:34:04 a linux enabled soldering iron Jul 30 10:34:40 KotH: yea well at least I can blame my iron for all the cock-ups Jul 30 10:35:40 dm8tbr: nope, that's fine. we'll feed you to the other soldering irons, so they get big and fatty before we butchor them for mrpacketheads and my soldering iron :) Jul 30 10:35:55 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Essemtec-Expert-Line-Manual-Pick-and-Place-machine-very-clean-barely-used-/111127523569?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19dfb770f1 Jul 30 10:36:00 theres a new toy for you Jul 30 10:36:41 * dm8tbr should just get some nice smoldering station. at the very least a weller magnastat Jul 30 10:37:06 dm8tbr: get a medcal :) Jul 30 10:37:24 or magmastat? Jul 30 10:37:28 lol Jul 30 10:41:27 salut koen Jul 30 10:41:59 hey KotH Jul 30 11:33:16 hmm did I just disconnect? Jul 30 11:33:24 I can't tell with this irc client :D Jul 30 11:36:55 Hi, I am Jagan. I Just got my beagle bone black board and trying to boot angstrom image from SD card. I could see the splash screen coming up and login prompt and immediatley my monitor goes to power saving mode Jul 30 11:37:25 I failed to boot the image Jul 30 11:37:42 can anyone help me here? Jul 30 11:39:41 ho Jul 30 11:40:19 do they pass out BBBs in the universities of India or what... Jul 30 11:40:44 I got this from some vendor in india Jul 30 11:49:05 Jagan_: did you try the latest angstrom image? Jul 30 11:50:28 Yes I did try the latest image Jul 30 11:52:11 http://beagleboard.org/latest-images Jul 30 11:52:32 Anyone ever tried to qemu to chroot into an ARM envirement ? Jul 30 11:53:09 Qantourisc: chroot to arm generally works with binfmt Jul 30 11:53:10 I have used the first link to get the image Jul 30 11:53:43 Humpelstilzchen: yea, for some reason it doesn't "/bin/bash: /bin/bash: cannot execute binary file Jul 30 11:53:50 @philenotfound any suggestions for me? Jul 30 11:54:40 Humpelstilzchen: what target of qemu do i need for "ARM, EABI5 version 1" ? cause the examples I found are for ARM, version 1 Jul 30 11:54:43 Qantourisc: why do you need to run arm binaries on a pc? Jul 30 11:55:03 mru: because I lack CPU power and storage space ? Jul 30 11:55:08 wouldn't it be more efficient to simply get x86 versions of those apps Jul 30 11:55:27 mru: trying to compile the bins on pc to use on the arm :) Jul 30 11:55:35 so use a cross compiler Jul 30 11:56:19 mru: it's going to be compiled by the package manager, it's a lot messier to get that working with a crosscompiler :) Jul 30 11:56:22 emulating will be even slower than running on an actual arm system Jul 30 11:56:23 Qantourisc: default qemu-arm-static, but cross cc is of course preferred Jul 30 11:58:01 Humpelstilzchen: yea, they dont work real good, unless I used a differnt package manager Jul 30 11:59:00 hmmm armeb ? what's that :) Jul 30 11:59:25 it's all debian's fault Jul 30 11:59:44 mru: no it's the fault of zealots :) Jul 30 11:59:49 same thing Jul 30 11:59:54 :) Jul 30 12:04:52 mru: in this case it's .... gentoo :) Jul 30 12:05:09 nothing is easier than cross-compiling on gentoo Jul 30 12:05:16 vs paludis, mind you he is an abrasive person Jul 30 12:05:19 mru: correct Jul 30 12:05:26 mru: but I still prefer paludis Jul 30 12:06:05 actuallyt i never checked paludis + crosscompile ... Jul 30 12:06:06 * Qantourisc does so Jul 30 12:06:19 $ crossdev arm-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi Jul 30 12:06:19 done Jul 30 12:06:56 or if your _really_ lazy, grab the linaro binaries Jul 30 12:10:57 http://www.ironicsans.com/2009/06/idea_the_outlet_wall.html Jul 30 12:10:59 I need this. Jul 30 12:11:12 nice Jul 30 12:11:21 not enough cat5 though Jul 30 12:11:56 wall of usb & rj45 sockets? Jul 30 12:12:54 let's just say I have two 10-way power splitters and a 16-port ethernet switch under my desk Jul 30 12:12:58 and an 8-port switch Jul 30 12:15:37 mru: yes, if you are using portage :) Jul 30 12:16:02 didn't you say gentoo? Jul 30 12:16:07 mru: I did Jul 30 12:16:12 so portage Jul 30 12:16:17 mru: or paludis :) Jul 30 12:16:21 wtf is that? Jul 30 12:16:43 anyone know a good source for figureing out assembly language grammer? im trying to tap into the PRUs Jul 30 12:16:45 mru: some obscure package manger, when I switched it had some things it did better Jul 30 12:16:57 mru: portage probable catched up by now, but never went back :) Jul 30 12:17:00 so you're not using gentoo then Jul 30 12:17:05 mru: I am Jul 30 12:17:15 mru: just with a differnt package-managing-bin Jul 30 12:17:20 "I'm running debian but with rpm instead of dpkg" Jul 30 12:17:32 mru: it's using the same ebuild format, repo's, distfiles, ... Jul 30 12:17:48 mru: it's like emerge but rewritten Jul 30 12:17:49 so it's a fork of sorts Jul 30 12:18:48 mru: yes, but it follows upstream in realtime, with the only difference beeing the fact that emerge is a differnt bin ? Jul 30 12:18:56 mru: still using the same mirrors, etc Jul 30 12:19:05 mru: it's like using a differnt version of libjpeg Jul 30 12:19:12 but you say it works differently Jul 30 12:19:45 flufmnstr: stare at code until it starts making sense Jul 30 12:19:45 mru: a bit, problem is crossdev calls emerge :) so it's using the other tool :) Jul 30 12:20:00 yes, it expects to be running on gentoo Jul 30 12:20:23 you're running something a lot like gentoo Jul 30 12:20:25 mru: still why can't i run the bins in qemu :) Jul 30 12:20:30 can we transform any beagleboard-xm based embedded linux project to beaglebone black project ? Jul 30 12:20:32 mru: yes a lot like it Jul 30 12:20:44 you shouldn't want to be running qemu Jul 30 12:20:49 because that's a stupid thing to do Jul 30 12:21:04 sam_: depends Jul 30 12:21:07 mru: sometimes it's nice to chroot in there though :) Jul 30 12:21:15 mru: but maybe not for compiling :) Jul 30 12:21:20 real hardware is much nicer Jul 30 12:21:47 mru: you saying the arm code on this litle BBB is faster then a 4 core modern intel using qemu ? Jul 30 12:22:09 I'm saying a 1GHz actual arm is faster than a 2.x GHz x86 emulating one Jul 30 12:22:17 OOOW Jul 30 12:22:19 hmmm Jul 30 12:22:36 qemu is not multithreaded btw Jul 30 12:22:40 that means excluding internal DSP of BB-xm based we can transform to BBB based project ...right ?? Jul 30 12:22:44 so your 4 cores won't do much good Jul 30 12:22:46 maybe I should be booting from network then and using distcc (network for storage) and distcc for extra CPU power Jul 30 12:22:49 OR Jul 30 12:22:52 crosscompile :) Jul 30 12:23:10 you can use cross-compilers with distcc Jul 30 12:23:13 mru: and didn't think about that yet :) Jul 30 12:23:40 sam_: what does your app do? Jul 30 12:23:49 mru: problem is the package tree of gentoo doesn't quite fit on this 2GB SD card :) Jul 30 12:24:00 mru: quess I should just network-mount it instead Jul 30 12:24:11 then again I need a master ... Jul 30 12:24:20 sounds like a job for rootnfs :) Jul 30 12:24:41 what the fastest SD, or 100mbit network ? :) Jul 30 12:25:12 mru: thanks for the tips ! Jul 30 12:25:15 * Qantourisc kisses mru :) Jul 30 12:25:19 linux device driver like keyboard,mouse,ADC,SPI,I2C Jul 30 12:28:40 Qantourisc: SD Jul 30 12:29:00 or at least the eMMC is faster than 100Mbps Jul 30 12:29:31 Vaizki: it's a cheapass SD /) Jul 30 12:31:35 mru: thats about where i am at the moment Jul 30 12:31:59 theres a line in an example i cant wrap my head around Jul 30 12:32:11 MOV r3, C4, 4, 4 Jul 30 12:33:06 i get the MOV command, and r3 i believe is one of the registries, but the C4, 4, 4 bit is byond me Jul 30 12:38:47 Cn refers to an entry in the constant table Jul 30 12:39:51 the 4 is shift left, right? Jul 30 12:40:07 don't know about the last 4 Jul 30 12:41:44 constant tables, eh? Jul 30 12:41:47 * flufmnstr googles Jul 30 12:42:22 was this arm assembly btw? :D Jul 30 12:42:25 spruh73c Jul 30 12:42:29 Vaizki: no, pru Jul 30 12:42:32 ah Jul 30 12:42:34