**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 11 02:59:59 2013 Aug 11 03:51:22 * m_billybob had a wino day Aug 11 03:51:34 hi ! Aug 11 04:09:13 m_billybob: drunk? Aug 11 04:56:52 I need help to recover C4 Aug 11 04:57:35 Can anyone please help recover C4 board NAND? I get all garbage on teraterm console. Aug 11 04:58:01 SANK, I'll send in the EOD boys... Aug 11 05:20:23 hi Aug 11 05:22:40 uhm when does one need to use a breadboard cape Aug 11 05:23:27 you don't have to use it Aug 11 05:24:16 it's handy if you have a simple circuit to hook to the BB which you want to build up in a reliable/permanent way. Aug 11 05:24:38 i need to use a opto switch with my BBB Aug 11 05:24:43 if you're just trying something out though, a solderless plugin breadboard works fine. Aug 11 05:24:51 When you need one? Aug 11 05:24:55 like this one here http://cpc.farnell.com/omron-electronic-components/ee-sx1042/opto-switch-slotted/dp/SC12344 Aug 11 05:25:08 :) Aug 11 05:25:28 :) Aug 11 05:25:52 can i use that opto switch with a breadedboard lol Aug 11 05:26:11 sure. Aug 11 05:26:49 that's pretty low speed stuff - a little stray capacitance won't hurt it. Aug 11 05:27:07 i just want to count coins in a vending machine lol Aug 11 05:27:28 can i useit without the breadboard Aug 11 05:27:33 you could probably just wire it up with no board at all. Aug 11 05:28:12 but which pins could i use Aug 11 05:28:13 you'd want a current limiting resistor for the led side and a pullup to +3.3 on the collector of the opto transistor. Aug 11 05:28:23 any GPIO you want. Aug 11 05:30:39 led side of the optoswitch? Aug 11 05:31:02 look here for details of how to use an opto interruptor for arduino: http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=86894.0 Aug 11 05:31:11 then just apply same concepts to bbb. Aug 11 05:32:52 bearing in mind that bbb runs on 3.3V levels, not 5V Aug 11 05:34:13 thats just what i was looking for Aug 11 05:35:34 does that opto switch use 5v? Aug 11 05:35:53 says input current 30mA Aug 11 05:36:21 probably works just fine on 3.3V Aug 11 05:37:00 ya Aug 11 05:37:18 try with the same R values suggested there - currents will be slightly lower but should still work. Aug 11 05:41:05 emeb_mac: I've started work on a beagle like board.. i want to put a spartan 6A on the same board Aug 11 05:41:16 mrpackethead: kewl! Aug 11 05:41:29 two ethernet ports Aug 11 05:41:32 @emeb_mac thanks for your help Aug 11 05:41:39 nickbbb: sure. good luck. Aug 11 05:41:49 no hdmi and other such sillyness. Aug 11 05:41:50 :0) Aug 11 05:41:57 mrpackethead: I hear that. Aug 11 05:42:18 mmmmmm.... Aug 11 05:43:04 I'm thinking of having a weeks holiday in Canada Aug 11 05:43:07 is that a silly idea Aug 11 05:43:09 or a great idea Aug 11 05:43:26 mrpackethead: head up to the frozen north, eh? Aug 11 05:43:27 nickbbb: if you have a metal coin seperator have a look at US Patent 4926998 for a no opto method :) Aug 11 05:43:38 early december! Aug 11 05:44:34 mrpackethead: you going to put a SPI config mem on your S6 or have the CPU load it at boot? Aug 11 05:44:50 i'm thinking cpu load Aug 11 05:44:56 +1 Aug 11 05:45:03 simple, easy. Aug 11 05:45:12 yes. Aug 11 05:45:26 fewer parts, more flexible. Aug 11 05:45:53 I have the schematics now converted into eagle and altium formats Aug 11 05:46:03 orcad --> altium is easy Aug 11 05:46:08 altium just does it Aug 11 05:46:16 ya Aug 11 05:46:23 eagle is prolly another story tho Aug 11 05:46:31 yeah. Aug 11 05:46:37 tolip: i am not sure if i have a metal coin seperator would it be in the vending machine i suppose? Aug 11 05:48:36 Got a lot of work to get done this week Aug 11 05:48:38 gah. Aug 11 05:50:46 what part of the ckt is in eagle? Aug 11 05:53:00 mrpackethead, I'm just returning from the frozen north... Aug 11 05:53:00 time to get back to someplace warm! Aug 11 05:55:31 nickbbb:yep the coin seperator is right behind the coin slot. you typically seperate the coins before you count them. many are plastic. you could still use the method I pointed to but you need both a sense and ground contact for each coin. Aug 11 05:56:28 hmm Aug 11 05:57:57 oh this machine i have only takes twoonies Aug 11 05:58:01 and only has 1 product Aug 11 05:58:09 so no need of a coin descriminaator Aug 11 05:59:02 there might not be a coin seperator because it only takes 1 type of coin Aug 11 06:01:29 I'd say go optical then, but keep the sensors away from vibration or prepare for failure. The reason I made the simpler 'coin causes contact closure' device is because the opto devices we were using were failure prone. Aug 11 06:03:11 I am using bealgeboard-xM while after going though the sdcard creating process of Sitarasdk during boot i m getting "Stopping Bootlog daemon: bootlogd." as a masg before it start as newbie for beagleboard i dont know much Aug 11 06:03:34 any sugessions Aug 11 06:04:50 nickbbb: There is almost always some type of coin mech involved to detect slugs/fakes and eject stuck/bent coins to a return slot instead of the coin box. Aug 11 06:05:36 hmm Aug 11 06:07:31 @tolip so the coin seperator would essentially filter fakes from real coin, im sure the machine is already doing this Aug 11 06:11:32 why are linux guys kindof assholes? Aug 11 06:11:46 nickbbb:yes, the old payphones(remember them?) seperated my weight, size, and iron content mechanically Aug 11 06:12:41 s/my/by Aug 11 06:12:42 i understand that it is very complex but even so Aug 11 06:23:27 SO MUCH THIS. A long read, but a goodie. http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/ Aug 11 07:09:15 hi all BBB newB: my BBB doesn't start in standalone, i have logo on my monitor for few seconds then nothing... Aug 11 09:18:30 troll troll troll CHOCOLATE! Aug 11 09:18:49 lool Aug 11 12:30:59 Not quite on-topic - I assume mediatek is another of the vendors for whom it's essentially impossible to get datasheets? Aug 11 12:31:35 SpeedEvil yes I think so Aug 11 12:31:40 cheap chrap Aug 11 12:31:43 ups Aug 11 12:31:48 cheap cheap I meant Aug 11 12:31:59 * SpeedEvil sighs. Aug 11 15:16:46 anybody notice how long beagleboard.org was down? Aug 11 15:16:57 * mru didn't notice it was down Aug 11 15:18:47 nope Aug 11 15:18:55 cool. Don't think it was down long... Aug 11 15:19:05 apache seemed to get overloaded, so I took it out of the loop. Aug 11 15:19:45 <_av500_> SpeedEvil: indeed Aug 11 15:20:40 <_av500_> SpeedEvil: but you dont need the datasheet si nce you dont get to do the design anyway Aug 11 15:20:49 <_av500_> pick one of the approved desing houses Aug 11 15:21:01 <_av500_> and try to stick to the ref design Aug 11 15:21:06 <_av500_> easy, eh? :) Aug 11 15:34:40 ah. one of thoaew. Aug 11 15:40:37 _av500_: or simply pick another company if possible, eh? Aug 11 15:44:32 and people wonder why all this stuff looks the same ;) Aug 11 15:53:40 I was idly wondering as I saw an ad for it on eetimes Aug 11 15:55:05 *g* Aug 11 15:55:07 http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/ Aug 11 15:55:56 surprise, computers have 'grown up', newsflash at 11 Aug 11 16:03:15 It’s a device whose hardware can’t be upgraded or replaced and will be obsolete in a year or two. It’s a device that’s as much a general purpose computer as the Fisher Price toy I had when I was three. ++ Aug 11 16:13:14 SpeedEvil: rpi? Aug 11 16:13:29 No, mobiles Aug 11 16:15:24 <_av500_> SpeedEvil: sadly, not os many other scompanies Aug 11 16:15:27 <_av500_> -s Aug 11 16:18:26 there's also the other business model: sure you can have docs and all that, but you'll go and pay $really_big_sum as a 'licensing' fee Aug 11 16:18:56 which in my opinion is more like a lock-in payment Aug 11 16:24:20 I probably have the only phone approaching full documentation. Aug 11 16:24:27 Openmoko GTA01. Aug 11 16:24:54 The GSM chipset details got leaked. Aug 11 16:24:54 And there is no GPU Aug 11 16:26:23 dm8tbr: and then it turns out that the chipset doesn't really work that well? Aug 11 16:27:17 that stuff seems to work quite well Aug 11 16:30:53 SpeedEvil: When did you last use it? ;) Aug 11 16:36:08 Vaizki: It's in bits at the moment - it got dismantled for an upgrade that stalled. Aug 11 16:36:18 (To add wifi) Aug 11 16:38:01 Eh Aug 11 16:39:12 voodka Aug 11 16:40:54 connecting people? Aug 11 17:22:15 hi guys, im in Hungary and i want to buy a beaglebone black, do you know wich shop delivers here, i would like to start to learn it as fast as i can Aug 11 17:22:45 norbi: the beagleboard.org website has a list of all distributors Aug 11 17:23:17 prpplague: yea it has, but i dont know wich of those are shipping fast in Hungary Aug 11 17:23:30 im asking someone with experience in this area Aug 11 17:24:06 normaly the shipping date is on the websites of the distributors Aug 11 17:34:08 hey guys.. what is the snmpset client for Angstrom? Aug 11 17:37:55 nevermind.. node.js has a module for it Aug 11 17:51:10 does BBB have I2C, PWM etc drivers? i mean in its linux OS there is any library that offers support for the I/O? i heard about BBB about 15 mins ago, and id like to know more about it, im ordering it right now from TIGAL Aug 11 17:52:44 yes Aug 11 17:53:08 and im seeing others programming it in phyton, but it is the same way programable in C? Aug 11 17:53:42 well i2c is easy as pie, pwm I think is a bit more involved Aug 11 17:54:23 norbi: yes both are fully supported under linux and use standard interfaces Aug 11 17:54:29 let me guess, you are an arduino user and you think the BBB is a supercharged microcontroller? :) Aug 11 17:54:39 norbi: which are supported under a wide range of programming languages Aug 11 17:55:13 and in linux everything is a file, so there's a lot of things you can do via /sys and /proc virtual filesystems to talk to those devices Aug 11 17:55:26 so short answer: yes.. long answer: google. Aug 11 17:57:30 Vaizki: no, i kinda know what linux is, and also i didnt worked that much with arduino, more with pic or avr mcu's, but i also know the difference between an arm processor and an mcu Aug 11 17:57:38 semi-verbose answer: BBB has I2C, SPI, UARTs, GPIO, interrupts, timers.. all the stuff. it also has two realtime running PRUs which are like co-processors that you can use (in assembly) to do time sensitive stuff like bitbang something Aug 11 17:57:57 Vaizki: but never used any kernel on my mcu boards, so i dont really know how IO communication is wraped arround Aug 11 17:59:11 for example, http://elinux.org/Interfacing_with_I2C_Devices Aug 11 17:59:37 bbl, kids going to sleep& Aug 11 17:59:46 Vaizki: thanks, usefull info, i will google around also how the programming is done, arm is something lot more complex for me then a simple mcu is, ive done arm only with android, where all the stuff is hidden mainly behind SDK.. Aug 11 18:01:08 prpplague: thanks mate, it looks like i really need to read the docs before ask here :) Aug 11 18:01:38 norbi: no worries, google is your friend Aug 11 18:01:55 norbi: all of the interfaces used on the beaglebone black are done through generic linux interfaces Aug 11 18:02:06 norbi: so what you learn is applicable to any system that runs linux Aug 11 18:03:25 norbi the android sdk is the same for arm x86 and mips Aug 11 18:03:27 prpplague: i had never done hardware programming in linux, max 8 years ago, when i played with parallel port, but that was easy... Aug 11 18:03:32 because its deriving from java Aug 11 18:03:46 woglinde: yea Aug 11 18:04:20 and you need only arm assembler when you are in need of the last rest of speeding things up Aug 11 18:04:26 woglinde: but maybe i will force an android on BBB, it will make things easier Aug 11 18:04:29 at least for me Aug 11 18:04:47 depends on what you need to achieve Aug 11 18:04:59 android gui foo is a lot slower than qt for instance Aug 11 18:05:39 i have to hook up some i2c devices like compass, accmeter and thinks like that to BBB and use them to read data, then drive some motors Aug 11 18:06:14 woglinde: i played with qt, but i dont want to start to learn qt now, because i already know android Aug 11 18:06:28 hm I do not know if bbb yet hast the glue for the sdk yet Aug 11 18:06:30 woglinde: starting qt now will mess my head up for now Aug 11 18:07:07 so you do not need a gui at all right? Aug 11 18:07:12 anyway, as i understood it has graphics accelerator, does the linux on it have GUI? Aug 11 18:07:29 hm yes sgx Aug 11 18:07:34 hm or let me say Aug 11 18:07:35 woglinde: atm yes, i dont need GUI, i will access everything from ethernet Aug 11 18:07:38 ups see Aug 11 18:07:56 hm so android is overhead anyway but maybee faster Aug 11 18:08:03 o develop Aug 11 18:09:39 woglinde: i just wonder how hard is to interface the ethernet with an application, usually with an mcu isnt that hard, but here really have no idea, ive used nanohttpd before, maybe it works here also Aug 11 18:10:01 hm you could use the javascript stuff Aug 11 18:10:13 woglinde: yea Aug 11 18:10:17 which I think exports i2c stuff Aug 11 18:10:22 not sure about compass Aug 11 18:10:24 woglinde: but as how i see here, it supports javafx Aug 11 18:10:28 so you only need a client Aug 11 18:10:34 o.O Aug 11 18:10:58 BBB supports java, right? i could do it all in java Aug 11 18:11:16 uhm uh yes you can write javascript code to let run javafx stuff Aug 11 18:11:49 but that has nothing todo with the default js script which export the sensor with the default angstroem distro Aug 11 18:12:32 norbi -> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack#Bonescript Aug 11 18:12:56 woglinde: eh this is chinese for me atm, i mean i know javascript, ive controlled mcu IO ports with AJAX before, but i cant see atm how the system works here Aug 11 18:13:21 nodejs controlls it Aug 11 18:14:05 woglinde: heh http://beagleboard.org/Support/BoneScript/accelerometer/ Aug 11 18:14:17 as I said Aug 11 18:14:59 so you maybee only need to program a client Aug 11 18:14:59 you do not want to program BBB in Java unless that's the only hammer in your personal toolbox... Aug 11 18:15:15 woglinde: yea, node.js is nice, but i don't think it depends on it, probably ppl can use standard javascript and jquery for example, by having a webserver on it that calls hardware functions... ? Aug 11 18:15:16 Vaizki *g* Aug 11 18:15:46 Vaizki: why is that? i mean you recommend C? Aug 11 18:16:06 norbi I thing nodejs already expose it, so no need to write another sever component Aug 11 18:16:14 Vaizki jboss7 should run okay Aug 11 18:16:20 C, python, node.js, erlang.. well sure you can do Java also :) Aug 11 18:17:01 hm yes I should make jboss recipes in meta-java Aug 11 18:17:04 but as I said above, in Linux everything is a file. including devices. Aug 11 18:17:08 that would be a lot of fun Aug 11 18:17:32 so it doesn't really matter what language you use because they all have file access functions like read(), write() and ioctl() Aug 11 18:17:38 Vaizki: you talk about node.js like it would be server side, but it isnt client side thingy? Aug 11 18:17:47 norbi o.O Aug 11 18:17:52 node.js is server Aug 11 18:17:52 node.js is serverside javascript Aug 11 18:18:26 norbi but it again it depends on serval thinks at always Aug 11 18:18:34 it's google's v8 engine wrapped into an asynchronous event handling framework Aug 11 18:18:35 Vaizki: yea ive heard a bit about node.js, but server side js its a bit high for me Aug 11 18:18:36 time, clean code and knowledge Aug 11 18:19:05 async programming can be a pain if you don't need it for paralellism and throughput Aug 11 18:19:27 personally I'm a C + Python guy Aug 11 18:19:38 Vaizki: yea, async can be, its like threading Aug 11 18:20:18 well it's mostly that everything that does I/O is going to require a callback that gets executed when the I/O operation is done Aug 11 18:20:31 so instead of writing linear code you are chaining callbacks Aug 11 18:20:51 but node.js makes that easier I guess Aug 11 18:21:04 yes some webcalls Aug 11 18:21:16 hm but wait where are the motors than? Aug 11 18:21:25 Vaizki: but i cant imagine how node.js works then.. i understand that there is a c programm that makes a http server and its root directory has a html file with a js in it, then browser opens the hosted file wich runs on the server and with cg u can call hardware functions, but node.js sounds different to me then Aug 11 18:21:34 no Aug 11 18:21:47 *sigh* Aug 11 18:22:02 maybee you go the node.js website and read something Aug 11 18:22:11 and comeback Aug 11 18:22:12 i do atm Aug 11 18:22:15 node.js is basically the JavaScript engine from Chrome. ripped out and glued into a server side program Aug 11 18:22:43 so instead of the JS running on client side Chrome browser, runs on server. but their tutorials will tell you all about it. Aug 11 18:24:02 and hey I'll tell you more if you find me on a #nodejs or similar channel Aug 11 18:24:03 vaizki are you working as programmr? Aug 11 18:24:17 no I'm the CTO of a telecom equipment provider Aug 11 18:24:38 aeh so you forgot node.js in c + python Aug 11 18:24:46 hehe Aug 11 18:24:46 ? Aug 11 18:24:50 and time for chatting Aug 11 18:25:05 or maybee thats why your are the CTO Aug 11 18:25:12 I have never done anything in node.js Aug 11 18:25:18 ah okay Aug 11 18:25:27 doesn't mean I can't know enough about it to mislead newbies Aug 11 18:25:29 why are you than on the irc chaneel Aug 11 18:25:32 I am not Aug 11 18:25:41 daa-a Aug 11 18:25:48 ah it was ironic Aug 11 18:25:49 sorry Aug 11 18:25:58 yes irony doesn't work over IRC Aug 11 18:26:22 I did not expect it from you, now I am wiser Aug 11 18:27:38 Vaizki: yea, now i have some little infos about node.js, i know about it that it works server side and its usefull for web applications.. and its fast, super fast Aug 11 18:27:48 lol Aug 11 18:28:02 measure yourself if it fast enough for you Aug 11 18:28:09 http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/this-time-youll-learn-node-js/ Aug 11 18:30:36 interesting, 3 line code makes a webserver... Aug 11 18:31:17 hm is not much more in java Aug 11 18:31:26 with the built in webserver Aug 11 18:31:41 I can write a web server in one line of shell script Aug 11 18:31:54 #!/bin/sh Aug 11 18:31:56 httpd Aug 11 18:32:08 mru: ^^ Aug 11 18:32:46 im feeling lost, i thought running a webserver on mcu is hard, this in theory looks harder :D Aug 11 18:35:50 hi all. Can't boot in standalone... Aug 11 18:35:59 my BBB Aug 11 18:42:25 does BBB have a hdmi output? really? Aug 11 18:42:50 norbi: yes it does, with audio Aug 11 18:43:31 norbi: it's not full HD though Aug 11 18:43:35 at least not 1080p Aug 11 18:43:49 kfoltman: that is incorrect Aug 11 18:43:55 kfoltman: it is full 1080p Aug 11 18:44:09 @ 60Hz? Aug 11 18:44:09 in prpplague I trust Aug 11 18:44:32 kfoltman: you can't decode and play 1080p , but you can drive 1080p resolution with no problems Aug 11 18:44:41 kfoltman: 24Hz with audio and 60Hz without Aug 11 18:46:25 prpplague hm but how is that usefull Aug 11 18:46:44 displays are useful for other things than video Aug 11 18:46:49 unless you are an rpi Aug 11 18:47:07 it is useful in a variety of contexts - like, poor-man dev box Aug 11 18:47:16 wow, this little board is really awesome and cheap, it makes is so lovable Aug 11 18:47:18 ? Aug 11 18:47:21 loveable Aug 11 18:47:26 or how its written :D Aug 11 18:47:29 kfoltman either I want a settopbox or not Aug 11 18:47:32 except that runs against the "no compiling on target" rule and I guess you could get banned here for doing such a thing Aug 11 18:47:32 <_av500_> luv'ble Aug 11 18:47:37 woglinde: BBB != set top box Aug 11 18:47:44 _av500_: ^^ Aug 11 18:47:58 kfoltman so why you need to decode and play 1080p Aug 11 18:48:08 woglinde: who said decode and play? Aug 11 18:48:12 woglinde: pretty useful Aug 11 18:48:15 <_av500_> because all his content is 1080p :) Aug 11 18:48:19 did anyone tested it for usage conditions, like -40degrees in celsius outside in a box? Aug 11 18:48:22 damn pron Aug 11 18:48:36 woglinde: how about just display 1080p (note I didn't say "1080p avc" or anything like that) Aug 11 18:48:37 norbi: black is rated for 0 to 80C Aug 11 18:48:47 norbi: with an OEM industrial temp version available Aug 11 18:48:48 prpplague: so in - could broke Aug 11 18:48:49 norbi hm someone claimd he made a test to -35 Aug 11 18:48:52 <_av500_> since it have it it wasnt -40 yet Aug 11 18:49:13 <_av500_> if it ever is, i will worry about other things Aug 11 18:49:34 norbi: probably work fine down to -25C without an issue, just not rated as such Aug 11 18:49:38 _av500_: and what chasis u used for it? to resist for -25? Aug 11 18:49:39 _av500_: are *you* certified for industrial range? Aug 11 18:49:45 norbi but there is no one who will certified it for you Aug 11 18:49:47 norbi: a heated one ;) Aug 11 18:50:10 kfoltman I think av500 devices do not need it Aug 11 18:50:19 kfoltman: but the heated one would make condense water and break it.. ? Aug 11 18:50:25 <_av500_> seal it Aug 11 18:50:28 norbi: make it water-proof then ;) Aug 11 18:50:30 steal it Aug 11 18:50:36 <_av500_> navy seal it Aug 11 18:50:45 clubbed seal it Aug 11 18:50:56 <_av500_> clubbed seal IT Aug 11 18:51:06 like that guy who broke his board into tiny pieces and RMA'd it? Aug 11 18:51:12 <_av500_> yes Aug 11 18:51:20 <_av500_> but he did not RMA Aug 11 18:51:22 eh, right, i have 0 experience with outside devices, i would like to make a tracking system for my solar panel with the BBB, so i would use it outside, for the first time in my life Aug 11 18:51:24 he didn't Aug 11 18:51:29 he could have4 Aug 11 18:51:31 -4 Aug 11 18:51:36 <_av500_> -5 Aug 11 18:51:37 norbi: do you have -30 in winter in Hungary? Aug 11 18:51:43 kfoltman: yes Aug 11 18:51:51 I'd expect that Aug 11 18:51:57 (I think it was close to that in Poland, the winter in Ireland on the other hand was much milder) Aug 11 18:52:08 <_av500_> move to ireland then Aug 11 18:52:11 kfoltman: and even -40.. Aug 11 18:52:12 <_av500_> solved, next! Aug 11 18:52:19 _av500_: mission accomplished, 7 years ago :P Aug 11 18:52:21 _av500_: :D Aug 11 18:52:25 well, sorry, 6 Aug 11 18:52:34 heheh Aug 11 18:52:34 <_av500_> kfoltman: stop cluttering the channel then Aug 11 18:53:11 buy more solarpanels Aug 11 18:53:15 from china Aug 11 18:53:18 its cheap Aug 11 18:53:34 <_av500_> the ones that convert electricity into sunlihgt? Aug 11 18:54:52 <_av500_> norbi: you cna use all the electricity you made during the day to heat the BBB at night Aug 11 18:55:06 <_av500_> thta way you can seal BBB and battery into the same box even Aug 11 18:55:25 *g* Aug 11 18:56:50 _av500_: good idea, simple sealing with some sort of silicon could solve it and heating it with something Aug 11 18:57:04 yet dunno what could be the heating source Aug 11 18:57:35 run some heavy task on the cpu Aug 11 18:57:38 or the gpu Aug 11 18:57:44 mru: ^^ Aug 11 18:57:55 but make sure the shaders don't block out the sunlight Aug 11 18:59:01 mru: har har har Aug 11 18:59:18 #beagle-jokes Aug 11 19:00:51 <_av500_> get any IP65 case Aug 11 19:01:06 <_av500_> IPv65 Aug 11 19:01:13 wow, and I only just got ipv6 Aug 11 19:01:36 <_av500_> mru: yes, but yours still lets porn through Aug 11 19:01:49 and the pirate bay Aug 11 19:01:53 <_av500_> see Aug 11 19:01:54 _av500_: :D Aug 11 19:02:11 <_av500_> a bay is rather watery Aug 11 19:02:32 <_av500_> as are torrents Aug 11 19:02:40 <_av500_> and streams Aug 11 19:03:02 hudson bay too? Aug 11 19:03:29 <_av500_> michael bay Aug 11 19:03:38 he's just teal and orange Aug 11 19:03:55 <_av500_> well, he causes a lot of dust particles Aug 11 19:12:13 yo, anyone know if the bbb supports 16GB micro sd (HC) cards for booting ubuntu. I have loaded the .img onto to card but will not boot from fresh start and pressing the boot button. Aug 11 19:12:34 sdhc cards are supported Aug 11 19:13:17 bbb_man: "loaded" Aug 11 19:13:20 what do you eman Aug 11 19:13:30 you can't just copy the file over Aug 11 19:14:03 hmm, used a program called flashnul to take .img file and write to card, seemed to work okay. Aug 11 19:14:09 of course you can, just don't wrap it in a filesystem Aug 11 19:14:36 it was a DOS program. Aug 11 19:14:49 maybe it mangled the line endings Aug 11 19:15:26 would a bad file on the sd card mean I get no lights when turning on and press the boot button? Aug 11 19:15:40 just the power light Aug 11 19:15:54 DOS? Aug 11 19:16:09 MSDOS program Aug 11 19:16:13 bbb_man: why not follow the instructionst hat are on the beagle web page? Aug 11 19:17:04 mrpacket: for some reason the image writer does not work on vista Aug 11 19:17:37 mrpacket: so used a DOS program instead called flashnul Aug 11 19:17:51 cant w8 to get my BBB Aug 11 19:18:05 have you got a linux machine bbb_man Aug 11 19:18:06 im so excited:D new world discovery starts in 3 days :D Aug 11 19:18:40 norbi: what distro are you trying to write to the sd-card btw? Aug 11 19:19:02 mrpacket_: it does come with one already, right? Aug 11 19:19:12 norbi: yes Aug 11 19:19:14 but if i would start with one, i would use centos Aug 11 19:19:21 mrpacket: yes ubuntu. I am trying "precise" for arm Aug 11 19:19:33 bbb_man: we hate ubuntu here. Aug 11 19:19:40 Aug 11 19:19:41 mrpacket_: but what distro do you recommend for it? Aug 11 19:19:55 norbi: i recommend the one that you want to use Aug 11 19:20:23 bbb_man: i'm alomst certianlky guessing youv'e trashed the file system somehow on the card Aug 11 19:20:47 mrpacket_: i ask because of size of it and maybe there is a recomended flat linux thats for embedded Aug 11 19:20:57 mrpacket: but would this lead to no lights on boot? Surely a light would appear trying to access the media? Aug 11 19:21:45 will try to create the sd image on ubuntu instead of windows Aug 11 19:39:02 have you played with the beagle ROS? Aug 11 19:39:55 <_av500_> how can I use my 1541 to prepare an sdcard for the BBB? Aug 11 19:43:22 _av500_: you need the 4040, for its parallel gpib interface Aug 11 19:48:24 <_av500_> cna I use an ECC83? Aug 11 19:50:29 _av500_: only if you use singular space inversion Aug 11 19:53:41 alright, the smell of flux calls Aug 11 20:07:24 howdy folks .. have a question on disable hdmi Aug 11 20:07:51 i have tried the uEnv.txt edit but the cat slots always shows the devices Aug 11 20:10:46 paste the output of cat slots Aug 11 20:10:56 and uEnv.txt .. put it in pastebin Aug 11 20:11:19 0: 54:PF--- 1: 55:PF--- 2: 56:PF--- 3: 57:PF--- 4: ff:P-O-L Bone-LT-eMMC-2G,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONE-EMMC-2G 5: ff:P-O-L Bone-Black-HDMI,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONELT-HDMI Aug 11 20:11:43 and whats your uEnv.txt disable line ? Aug 11 20:12:59 optargs=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONELT-HDMIN Aug 11 20:13:03 should look like that Aug 11 20:13:37 Only one line ..same as m_billybob pasted Aug 11 20:14:10 av500: who told you ECC83? The right one is just "83" Aug 11 20:14:20 optargs=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONE-EMMC-2G,BB-BONELT-HDMIN Aug 11 20:15:40 and you are running a fresh distro, nothing ancient? Aug 11 20:16:04 Stock Angstrom .. got the unit about a week back . .nothing hacked (yet) Aug 11 20:16:11 update it Aug 11 20:16:31 I I did run update .. only thing I installed is sudo . Aug 11 20:17:15 I I am running out of SD card .. didn't want to hose the main image Aug 11 20:17:26 ok well I don't know Ångström.. but I think those kernel parameters were added to the June image or something Aug 11 20:18:02 My image is June .. 3.8.13 Aug 11 20:19:51 II have seen two different syntax for disable -- capemgr.disable_partno and capemgr.partno_disable .tried both .. neither seems to do it. Aug 11 20:20:27 II also tried doing them all on separate lines! Aug 11 20:21:09 umm you should just have one optargs= line Aug 11 20:21:22 it's basically a script to change the variable's value Aug 11 20:21:35 if you have multiple lines only the last one will be effective Aug 11 20:21:49 well I have tried it every which way .. more than 5 hours! Now I am doing one line only! Aug 11 20:23:47 Can you help if I should try going into the dts files and making the pins non-exclusive for these devices? I bricked my sd card once doing it :-) Aug 11 20:24:53 no I can't Aug 11 20:25:33 anything in dmesg about that? Aug 11 20:29:17 What's the max current of the 3v3 power supply? Aug 11 20:33:51 nothing .. just hdmi bitching about it .. i guess uEnv.txt is read by uboot long before kernel comes in Aug 11 20:34:18 yes, uboot loads the kernel and gives optargs as parameters to the kernel Aug 11 20:34:47 when the capemgr kernel "driver" loads, it should read the parameters and not load those capes Aug 11 20:35:19 it still loads them .. i see it going through as if no optargs were given .. it searches for the HDMI etc. .. and keep moving along Aug 11 20:36:05 stupid question, do you have a newline after that line? Aug 11 20:36:36 not sure if it's required Aug 11 20:36:42 yes I do .. actually I had the whole thing for everydevice .. even the ones I dont' care about .. and commented it all out Aug 11 20:37:05 Only one like is active .. that's the optaargs Aug 11 20:37:47 have you tried interrupting uboot and checking the variables there? Aug 11 20:38:04 no .. I can't .. I don't have the serial cable Aug 11 20:38:28