**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 22 02:59:58 2013 Aug 22 03:18:22 Guest15219: was anything cool supposed to be included? Aug 22 03:23:26 * mranostay facepalms Aug 22 03:24:02 i'm reading the latest bbb srm Aug 22 03:24:06 is the eeprom pin usage used? Aug 22 03:24:49 to set pinmux states, or is the srm (still) incorrect? Aug 22 03:28:37 nomel: yeah we aren't using the data on the eeprom Aug 22 03:28:44 just the id and version Aug 22 03:30:53 the srm is a bit borken then. Aug 22 03:31:37 no it was never done that why Aug 22 03:31:55 so then the srm has always been wrong? Aug 22 03:32:11 "Table 17 is the locations in the EEPROM to set the I/O pin usage for the cape. It contains the value to be written to the Pad Control Registers." Aug 22 03:32:22 is absolutely incorrect then. Aug 22 03:32:23 and should be removed. Aug 22 03:32:34 no never done in software Aug 22 03:32:48 and...that means the srm was never correct. Aug 22 03:32:55 for all i know the pin info is on the eeprom Aug 22 03:32:55 so it should probably be fixed. Aug 22 03:32:57 that's all i'm saying. Aug 22 03:33:27 it isn't borken just no support in DT or such for it Aug 22 03:33:34 dont suppose anyone knows where i might get a case - like the lgx-bb100 - reasonably priced? i tried one site, and they wanted $50 shipping to australia :( Aug 22 03:33:49 dude...the service reference manual say it does work, so the service reference manual is incorrect. Aug 22 03:34:25 the service reference manual should be changed so it's not incorrect. Aug 22 03:34:42 nomel: works with what? software has to be written for it Aug 22 03:34:48 :-| Aug 22 03:35:11 the SRM doesn't reference OS support Aug 22 03:35:42 here's a question Aug 22 03:35:46 is this a true sentence Aug 22 03:35:47 ""Table 17 is the locations in the EEPROM to set the I/O pin usage for the cape. It contains the value to be written to the Pad Control Registers."" Aug 22 03:36:19 first one sentence. Aug 22 03:36:58 it should at least say "this is unsupported by all software in existence at this point so don't bother with it" Aug 22 03:37:25 the way it's worded makes it sound like it's somehow tied with reality. Aug 22 03:37:29 ah no that is unreasonble Aug 22 03:38:59 you think the hardware people writing that should be following koen's evil vendor tree? Aug 22 03:40:37 koen's response I'm sure would be "patches welcome" Aug 22 03:42:40 thurgood: yes i was holding that back Aug 22 03:43:14 thurgood: next i'll have to folow verilog changes to be sure my software docs are accurate :) Aug 22 03:46:54 hi Aug 22 03:47:36 * thurgood waits for the 250 replies that are not coming :P Aug 22 03:47:59 _av500_: you still have that beagleborad pic? i kileld my EC2 server before getting that Aug 22 03:50:41 * ii glances sidelong at thurgood Aug 22 03:52:07 * mranostay kangs awaty Aug 22 03:53:15 omg i love fuzzy people! Aug 22 03:55:12 :) Aug 22 03:57:59 wow, all the dts files in this new image are great! Aug 22 04:26:33 what do the good trolls at #beagle have to say Aug 22 04:26:33 http://www.cdlnz.com/productimages/pdfs/wl7811un.pdf Aug 22 04:26:43 is this one going to work with the beagle? Aug 22 04:29:27 buy one and try it then report back Aug 22 04:29:28 :D Aug 22 04:35:46 mrpackethead, YMMV Aug 22 04:36:19 which chipset is that? Aug 22 04:36:30 * dm8tbr guesses the usual RTL-something-something Aug 22 04:39:00 RTL is realtek or ralink? Aug 22 04:39:23 mrpackethead: the search engine of my least distrust finds a blog post about it working with that cake board... Aug 22 04:39:37 ds2: Realtek RTL8188CUS Aug 22 04:39:38 Realtek. . . and if I'd have to guess, that one's got an 8188 Aug 22 04:39:45 yeah, that Aug 22 04:40:57 * dm8tbr needs to get his BT4.0 dongle working, comes up as some weird hid-proxy Aug 22 04:41:21 dm8tbr: BT classic or dualmode? Aug 22 04:42:17 they are only $15 Aug 22 04:42:21 so, i'm tempted to buy it Aug 22 04:44:16 * mranostay buys 300 on mrpackethead's credit card Aug 22 04:44:29 my creidt card is maxed todya Aug 22 04:45:13 * ds2 watches mrpackethead get assessed over the limit fees Aug 22 04:45:55 i need to do multicast over wifi Aug 22 04:45:59 never done that before Aug 22 04:46:19 what does it mean to do multicast over wifi? Aug 22 04:46:39 does WDS even prune multicast? Aug 22 04:47:18 maxed? they have low limits in .nz? Aug 22 04:47:59 who would want a credit card with a high limit? :/ Aug 22 04:48:06 mranostay: i had a rather large spend yesterday Aug 22 04:48:16 will be unmaxed tommorrow Aug 22 04:48:41 ds2: I'd like to use the low energy part of it to talk to some stuff Aug 22 04:49:07 dm8tbr: which dongle did you get? Aug 22 04:49:19 having one credit card with a high limit is nice Aug 22 04:49:33 * ii only has one credit card, with a relatively low limit Aug 22 04:49:37 for those rare 5k purchases Aug 22 04:50:04 if you have the money anyway, why's it matter? Aug 22 04:50:12 and for a good credit history Aug 22 04:50:13 use cash, or transfer that cash to your credit card account Aug 22 04:50:15 ds2: sitecom CN524 v1 - lsusb sees it as a cambridge silicon. I take the latter as a good sign Aug 22 04:50:25 ii: got to provide bait for fraudsters! Aug 22 04:50:44 0a12:100b Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Aug 22 04:50:45 credit cards are just a temptation into massive debt and problems .. dont fall into that trap. Aug 22 04:52:34 i often put more than $50k per month on my card Aug 22 04:52:43 o.O Aug 22 04:52:45 50K USD? Aug 22 04:52:45 it is always paid back before interest accrues Aug 22 04:52:48 you must own a business or something then Aug 22 04:52:57 yes, ii Aug 22 04:52:59 not exactly a normal situation Aug 22 04:53:07 and not really relevant Aug 22 04:53:18 not relevant to you Aug 22 04:53:23 but very relevent to me Aug 22 04:53:26 not really relevant to the point i was making Aug 22 04:53:27 and since i started the converdstaon Aug 22 04:53:39 we dont' care about your trolling point Aug 22 04:53:43 ... Aug 22 04:59:56 bleh... Aug 22 05:00:15 I think I should just sleep instead of bashing my head against this board design. Aug 22 05:00:17 too tired Aug 22 05:06:59 but the best boards are designed w/o any sleep ;) Aug 22 05:07:10 ground and VCC are suppose to connect to each other Aug 22 05:07:12 :D Aug 22 05:09:25 * mranostay notes ds2 is a crazy man Aug 22 05:27:27 mranostay: you note crazy because you are razy Aug 22 05:27:40 VCC can be be connected to GND Aug 22 05:27:43 that is acceptable Aug 22 05:27:57 for very low values of VCC Aug 22 05:28:48 and nice amounts of ohm Aug 22 05:29:32 "nice" ohms Aug 22 05:29:40 that is so scientific Aug 22 05:31:19 I am trying to install mkudevrule.sh on my ubuntu 12.04. I made the file executable. It will not execute. I tried to source it and when I do I get the following message: bash: /etc/udev/rules.d/73-beaglebone.rules: Permission denied. What am I doing wrong? Aug 22 05:32:09 do you guys call an "edison" plug a NEMA 5-15P by any chance Aug 22 05:33:50 edison plug? Aug 22 05:37:41 yup Aug 22 05:37:45 two flats and one round Aug 22 05:42:11 mrpackethead: first time i've heard that Aug 22 05:42:26 what NEMA 5-15P Aug 22 05:42:32 or two flats and round Aug 22 05:42:59 heh didn't know it was called NEMA 5-15P Aug 22 05:43:11 you intel folks are so boring Aug 22 05:43:25 go and breed with some googlers Aug 22 05:43:39 mrpackethead: and offspring some yahooers? Aug 22 05:47:37 <_av500_> US power plugs look like toys Aug 22 05:47:44 <_av500_> just saying Aug 22 05:47:50 _av500_: bite me eurotrash Aug 22 05:48:01 sorry it is the alcohol Aug 22 05:48:03 :) Aug 22 05:48:12 TI launched 25USD voucher: National-1yr. You can use it on TI eStore Aug 22 05:48:51 scrts: 25$ free where?!! Aug 22 05:49:56 https://estore.ti.com Aug 22 05:50:51 * mranostay buys some TI porn^H^H^H^HICs Aug 22 05:52:35 scrts: i don't see it Aug 22 05:52:56 * mranostay is reminded he has never used his launchpad Aug 22 05:53:35 _av500_: have that boris pic? Aug 22 05:54:50 mranostay -> order anything You like on TI eStore Aug 22 05:55:00 and later enter the coupon code to get 25usd discount Aug 22 05:55:30 <_av500_> lol, the stellaris LP is 7.99, the Tiva is 12.99 Aug 22 05:55:32 when i compile my module in angstrom distribution, i get this error , fatal error: linux/module.h: No such file or directory..any ideas? Aug 22 05:55:39 <_av500_> $5 off for a name Aug 22 05:59:58 Guest91345: are you trying to compile a module natively? Aug 22 06:01:29 * mranostay sleeps Aug 22 06:01:46 * mranostay has sweet dreams of av500 Aug 22 06:04:33 sweet dreams are made of recycled trolling electrons? Aug 22 06:05:43 dm8tbr: don't make me drag you into the dream as well Aug 22 06:07:18 woot PCBs shipped from China Aug 22 06:07:23 * mranostay really sleeps now Aug 22 06:07:40 * dm8tbr will have some good office sleep Aug 22 06:07:45 some telcos coming up today Aug 22 06:07:48 has anyone ever setup the BBB as a router/firewall appliance? Aug 22 06:08:23 thefunc5: you can, not the super bestest idea if you need high throughput (close to 100M) Aug 22 06:09:16 dm8tbr: i wouldnt need that much here in america, my ISP only throws a claimed 27Mbps but the max throughput is only about 5Mbps Aug 22 06:09:34 yes... Aug 22 06:10:16 i havent found any good guides other than installing arch linux, which from there i could go with iptables and such, but i was looking for something like pfsense or ipfire Aug 22 06:10:51 i compile the source code using BBB at the directory of /home/root/ Aug 22 06:10:52 cool... and we have 300Mbps optics @ home here :> Aug 22 06:11:12 scrp3l: im so jealous! Aug 22 06:11:19 thefunc5: well, it will work with any distro really, just load the iptables nat module and you're almost there Aug 22 06:11:32 but second ethernet over usb is a bit meh Aug 22 06:11:40 gcc -c hello.c Aug 22 06:11:57 Guest91345: find the blog post about kernel workflow on angstrom Aug 22 06:11:59 dm8tbr: i really wanted a nice gui lol kinda worn out when it comes to cli management of routers/firewalls Aug 22 06:12:06 lol Aug 22 06:12:22 thefunc5: ah, just buy a 20currency-unit chinese plastic router ;) Aug 22 06:19:03 its not possible for me to link a new module into natively on BBB ? Aug 22 06:19:49 is it not possible for me to link a new module in Angstrom natively on BBB ? Aug 22 06:20:36 should be possible :) Aug 22 06:24:33 dm8tbr: lol i may have to just suck it up and do cli, i cant stand the routers/APs they have for the home markets. Aug 22 06:26:33 hello Aug 22 06:26:53 are any of you familiar with using a beaglebone to control a 3 phase motor? Aug 22 06:28:23 there are quirks with using linux to control an electric moped motor, such as powering the volume of an audio system to make the sound of a harley davidson when i accelerate Aug 22 06:28:44 it can also be used as a signal light relay Aug 22 06:29:06 i have deep pockets, and i want to learn Aug 22 06:29:38 i dislike owning stuff that is not reverse engineered or open source Aug 22 06:30:17 for the volume, could you not go of rpm signal? Aug 22 06:30:36 sure Aug 22 06:30:38 im unfamiliar with mopeds but when i program ECUs for cars we use rpm signal for all kinds of things Aug 22 06:31:25 i don't know if the motor has an rpm signal Aug 22 06:31:42 but i'm sure i can figure something out Aug 22 06:32:35 that would be the way to go with the harley noise, since you could chop the audio file up into a bunch of pieces and then link them to sequence with rpm so it truely goes throughout the rev range Aug 22 06:32:47 thought since its an electric motor idk how that would work Aug 22 06:32:55 dm8tbr: what about a mikrotik? Aug 22 06:33:00 from what i understand with 3 phase motors, they need 3 motor controllers, which beaglebone has. my friend said i would need a 3 phase contactor though, so maybe it's not practical to do this in software Aug 22 06:33:34 ashes: i have to ask...why not just buy a harley? lol Aug 22 06:34:20 thefunc5: my moped is unlike any moped you have ever seen. i feel like a hot redhead. everyone looks at me. if i road a harley, i would not be special anymore Aug 22 06:34:40 my moped stops people in their tracks Aug 22 06:34:56 everyone stopping and looking at you may not be for the right reasons. Aug 22 06:35:01 or the reasons you think Aug 22 06:35:13 sure. i know my moped looks really messed up Aug 22 06:35:16 i demand pics of this moped lol i cant think of any electronic vehicle that i would doubletake at Aug 22 06:35:21 wires all over the place Aug 22 06:35:23 even teslas are horrendous to me Aug 22 06:35:31 i gave it a sex change operation Aug 22 06:36:08 mopeds have gender? o.O Aug 22 06:36:10 lol Aug 22 06:36:12 http://www.secondfloor.ca/Jessica/20130806.jpg Aug 22 06:36:15 ride an old jap bike? thatll stop people in their tracks everywhere you go. everytime you stop to fill up at a gas station someone will walk up and ask you about it and tell you their story from when they had a bike like that Aug 22 06:36:42 lol rat moped, seems legit Aug 22 06:37:20 BBB question: it looks like my CircuitCo LCD3 rev A1 is no-go on a BBB; does anyone know if CircuitCo will let me trade my A1 in for an A2 ? Aug 22 06:37:41 (... or maybe there is a rework that might get it going ? ) Aug 22 06:37:44 i'm reverse engineering my bike Aug 22 06:38:09 i am doing to it what i do with everything i own Aug 22 06:38:21 the bike is special because it's something other people can see Aug 22 06:40:32 i found cold solder joints, and chinese wire that melts when i apply heat shrink, so i replaced all the wire on the bike with americian made wire and soldered weatherproof connectors Aug 22 06:40:41 or, i am in the process of that Aug 22 06:40:55 i found a lot of wasted space Aug 22 06:41:04 i am adding saddle bags for storage Aug 22 06:41:18 are you sure the wire isnt just old? on my old bikes from the 60s and 70s the wire will melt if you apply heat such as heatshrinking lol Aug 22 06:41:18 the frame and motor are good Aug 22 06:41:35 it's a 2007 model Aug 22 06:41:57 the frame was well made. the motor is strong. the rest needs to be replaced Aug 22 06:42:06 i bought a $300 led headlight Aug 22 06:42:17 i call it "the night sun" Aug 22 06:42:19 o.O Aug 22 06:42:31 my brake and signal lights are all led Aug 22 06:43:12 replaced most of the wiring. my 48 volt system is 10 gauge. 12 volt is 18 gauge Aug 22 06:43:42 i demand a link to the headlight Aug 22 06:43:49 im tired of driving with a candle Aug 22 06:43:54 or riding rather Aug 22 06:44:29 rbarris why not ask CircuitCo directly Aug 22 06:44:41 sure. what is their email... Aug 22 06:44:53 i'll be darned if I can find it. I do see a twitter... Aug 22 06:45:02 rbarris uhm o.O if you do not find there website Aug 22 06:45:28 oh hey, a website Aug 22 06:45:33 i always googled it and didn't hit it Aug 22 06:45:36 i bought from lorco, and their site sucks. i don't have a link Aug 22 06:45:53 it's 200 watts of light, and uses 1.5 amps of power Aug 22 06:46:07 lordco Aug 22 06:46:09 o.O Aug 22 06:46:11 http://circuitco.com/wordpress/contact-us/ Aug 22 06:46:47 oh thats WAY too much power ol Aug 22 06:47:11 it's a tough waterproof light Aug 22 06:48:02 linked in is just stupid. Aug 22 06:50:30 ashes, those numbers don't add up..unless you are feeding it with 160VDC Aug 22 06:52:21 tnx woglinde, query posted on the site Aug 22 06:52:48 mrpackethead why? Aug 22 06:52:58 hi ka6sox no sleep again? Aug 22 06:53:06 woglinde, not yet Aug 22 06:53:09 woglinde: why what? Aug 22 06:53:21 woglinde, RSN I hope Aug 22 06:53:27 ka6sox: 200 watts of light. it doesn't use 200 watts. it's compared to traditional lighting Aug 22 06:53:53 ashes, okay...lumen for lumen you mean... Aug 22 06:55:32 * Russ looks at the arm linker options for vmlinux Aug 22 06:55:41 notices a '-p' Aug 22 06:55:48 can't find info on it anywhere Aug 22 06:55:57 but there is a really helpful comment above it in the kernel source Aug 22 06:55:59 # ? Aug 22 06:57:54 http://www.secondfloor.ca/Jessica/IMG_20130821.jpg Aug 22 06:59:14 ashes, thats a minibike a hacker can love...its got all the elements. Aug 22 06:59:43 Milk Cartons, Batteries strapped on...wires hanging out.... Aug 22 06:59:51 the front fender is a prototype. i'm replacing it soon Aug 22 07:00:02 FOSS Biek Aug 22 07:00:05 er Bike Aug 22 07:01:18 it reminds me of my 3D printer...I'm constantly making changes and additions Aug 22 07:01:19 i plan to also reverse engineer the headlight. it has 7 led lights. i want 1 led for daytime running light, and all seven for night Aug 22 07:01:30 mrpackethead linked in is stupid Aug 22 07:01:40 yah. it sure is. Aug 22 07:01:46 1 chosen at random Aug 22 07:01:54 ashes: you could run some sort of hal effect sensor for rpm signal? Aug 22 07:01:56 People are just givening you skills that you dont' have Aug 22 07:02:01 in teh hope that you give them some back Aug 22 07:02:17 i just got "space shuttle commander" Aug 22 07:02:23 mrpackethead aeh? Aug 22 07:03:00 mrpackethead I tought you only can acknowledge already stated skills Aug 22 07:03:29 or is this a bug? Aug 22 07:03:40 thefunc5: i'm really not thinking that far right now. right now, i need a new front fender and front signal lights. then i want a new cover for the dash, to protect my 12 volt system from rain Aug 22 07:03:54 then i can look at buying a 96 volt motor Aug 22 07:04:02 and lithium batteries Aug 22 07:04:27 how fast is the acceleration? Aug 22 07:04:46 it accelerates faster than cars on a red light Aug 22 07:05:11 i'm always the first in the middle of the intersection Aug 22 07:05:50 cars? are we talking a camry or something actually fun? Aug 22 07:06:18 no one races me. i'm sure a car can take off faster. i'm talking about normal traffic Aug 22 07:06:35 ashes, are you in a rainy climate? Aug 22 07:06:49 ka6sox: for 9 months of the year, yes Aug 22 07:07:14 ouch Aug 22 07:07:28 oh Aug 22 07:07:53 this weekend i plan to remove the rear wheel. it leaks 10 pounds of pressure per day Aug 22 07:08:03 and i want to stop that Aug 22 07:08:25 it's a 10kmph difference Aug 22 07:09:08 and ask them to balance the wheel too Aug 22 07:10:18 i ran over a large staple, like for assembling a kitchen cabinet Aug 22 07:10:27 i plugged it with a patch kit Aug 22 07:10:51 but it still leaks, and professionals won't patch it unless i remove the wheel Aug 22 07:11:36 ashes, where is the Beaglebone going? Aug 22 07:11:47 ka6sox: motor controller Aug 22 07:11:55 and will you use a LCD3 or LCD4? Aug 22 07:12:03 one of my puppies got recongised today Aug 22 07:12:09 But pretty sad Aug 22 07:12:10 ka6sox: what is lcd? Aug 22 07:12:35 Liquid Crystal Display (3 or 4") Aug 22 07:12:48 mrpackethead, recognized by what? Aug 22 07:13:00 ka6sox: that isn't really important right now Aug 22 07:13:02 http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9075528/Shot-police-dog-honoured-for-bravery Aug 22 07:13:19 ka6sox: i have a 12 volt touchscreen already Aug 22 07:14:16 i am hungry for beef jerky Aug 22 07:14:19 ka6sox: we have got 15 operational dogs now.. Aug 22 07:15:02 but was pretty sad, when Gage took a bullet Aug 22 07:15:07 mrpackethead, you raise them? Aug 22 07:15:17 yup Aug 22 07:15:32 been raising workign dogs since i was a kid Aug 22 07:15:44 nice Aug 22 07:15:52 seeing eye dogs, police dogs, drug and detectors Aug 22 07:15:52 but sad about Gage Aug 22 07:15:58 and most recently SAR dogs Aug 22 07:16:09 my own dog Jack is NZ's smallest SAR dog Aug 22 07:16:16 :) Aug 22 07:16:17 he was'nt intended to be a SAR dog Aug 22 07:16:24 :) Aug 22 07:16:32 but he comes everywhere with me Aug 22 07:16:35 okay I must sleep or I will fall over Aug 22 07:16:39 and plays with the "big" boys Aug 22 07:16:50 and so i put him in the training one day for laughts Aug 22 07:16:51 and probably commands them too. Aug 22 07:16:57 and he cleaned up Aug 22 07:17:04 and it was "wow" Aug 22 07:17:07 hes pretty good at that Aug 22 07:17:21 6kg Jack Russell X Aug 22 07:17:21 some dogs just "get it" Aug 22 07:17:32 we can't cover the ground that the big dogs can Aug 22 07:17:38 but he can get in places that they can't Aug 22 07:17:43 thats smaller than lots of the cats we know. Aug 22 07:17:46 ya Aug 22 07:17:49 like EQ damaged buildings Aug 22 07:17:50 smaller spaces Aug 22 07:17:53 I've noticed with dog training, that for most dogs, there is a pretty definite count of how many times you need to do a command before they get it Aug 22 07:18:01 yup Aug 22 07:18:03 for sure. Aug 22 07:18:09 With Jack, its about 250 Aug 22 07:18:17 with a good shep, its about 1000+ Aug 22 07:18:22 for some dogs its so high that people are convinced they are untrainable Aug 22 07:18:36 German shepards are hard to train Aug 22 07:18:40 hmm github broke.. gives me 500 on all the project pages I tried :) Aug 22 07:18:48 adn they are not that smart Aug 22 07:18:55 they are good at taking people down though Aug 22 07:19:00 and they are big and strong Aug 22 07:19:06 okay nite folks Aug 22 07:19:07 and the "fear factor" is high Aug 22 07:19:13 anybody seen this messsage when plugging the BBW onto a PC http://pastebin.com/ycjNNUy7 rejected 1 configuration due to insufficient available bus power Aug 22 07:19:20 nobody would be scared of jack Aug 22 07:20:27 https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/775597_208686105942172_1710073239_o.jpg Aug 22 07:22:06 ok who broke github?! Aug 22 07:22:10 gnngghgh Aug 22 07:22:24 talk about a single point of failure in my professional life Aug 22 07:23:33 I was using it a little while ago, maybe I did something Aug 22 07:23:36 you are supposed to clone those repositories Aug 22 07:23:59 keesj_: yes? and if it's down I can't clone them Aug 22 07:29:18 so does github work for you guys? Aug 22 07:29:26 or is this just some weird local fluke? Aug 22 07:29:45 like https://github.com/andymccurdy/redis-py Aug 22 07:29:48 for example Aug 22 07:40:45 Vaizki: follow their twitter account. do we really care about github on this channel? Aug 22 07:43:18 CRUSADE! Aug 22 07:43:41 interesting arm lesson for the day Aug 22 07:44:58 http://pastebin.com/61dMckfY Aug 22 07:45:13 watch your bitfields Aug 22 07:45:29 gm koth Aug 22 07:54:13 mranostay, thurgood: 3.2 had a method to directly mux things based on eeprom contents Aug 22 07:54:35 Vaizki: works here. also: downorisitjustme.com Aug 22 07:56:19 hi Aug 22 07:56:58 where can i get the latest production image from? on http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software the "Production Image 2013.08.20" points to: Aug 22 07:57:01 https://s3.amazonaws.com/angstrom/demo/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20.img.xz Aug 22 07:57:14 06 vs.08 Aug 22 07:57:40 dunno about production stuff, but upstream angstrom is here: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ Aug 22 07:58:59 thanks for the link! Aug 22 08:00:15 Russ: is the second test just skipped? or is there something esle? Aug 22 08:00:33 the first test got compiled out Aug 22 08:01:17 the largest a signed 2 bit field can be is 0x1 Aug 22 08:01:18 right r1.. Aug 22 08:02:44 here's without bitfields http://pastebin.com/h5zGYB7G Aug 22 08:05:14 and of course, a 1 bit signed bit field can contain either 0, or -1 Aug 22 08:05:42 does someone else have an employer that blocks pastebin ? any solution to this ? (mirror maybe ?) Aug 22 08:06:17 hastebin Aug 22 08:06:19 there's pastebinit package Aug 22 08:06:28 which has quite a few of those services Aug 22 08:07:28 http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013168/ Aug 22 08:07:56 Hello! I am looking at the Beaglebone Black and I wonder if one can use the USB Client port to implement his own type of USB device, e.g. USB CDC (virtual com port) to make the Beaglebone Black communicate to a host PC. Googled a lot but did not find a clear answer :-( Aug 22 08:08:23 ynezz: that's to post right ? I'm looking for something to read Aug 22 08:08:47 and you forget to mention that Aug 22 08:09:11 just tunnel it over ssh/dns Aug 22 08:09:26 there's always a way Aug 22 08:09:35 yeah but I'm afraid this is slightly against company rules :) Aug 22 08:09:42 then find another job Aug 22 08:09:54 who would mirror pastebin? Aug 22 08:10:26 well, since it's kinda blocked in pakistan/.tr too, maybe some hacktivists Aug 22 08:10:31 Anguel: yes Aug 22 08:10:44 look at gadget serial Aug 22 08:10:52 its already implemented Aug 22 08:16:40 av500: Many thanks. I still need to gain experience with Linux as I have only used MCUs so far but this is a good hint. In the FAQ I read that because Black does not have FTDI one would need a USB-to-Serial cable to use the Black as virtual com port. That confused me. So as far as I understand this gadget serial is already in the kernel of the factory image? Aug 22 08:16:50 no Aug 22 08:18:05 a virtual com port is virtual Aug 22 08:18:13 the FTDI was hooked to a real UART on the BBW Aug 22 08:18:39 you can have a com port over USB on the BBB Aug 22 08:18:46 I understand, I need only a virtual one :-) Aug 22 08:18:48 the stock SW does that already afaik Aug 22 08:19:04 boot the BBB with Angstrom and your host PC should show a USB serial port Aug 22 08:19:34 I see, so this appears in addition to the mass storage device? Aug 22 08:20:21 Sorry, still don't have my BBB, but got curious in the meantime if this is possible at all. Aug 22 08:20:23 it should Aug 22 08:20:37 ynezz: translate.google works to bypass my proxy here Aug 22 08:21:50 * av500 has nothing but have for all GNU SW Aug 22 08:21:57 make 3.82 is just a fuckup Aug 22 08:22:29 av500: that's putting it mildly Aug 22 08:22:43 did I mention user space needs a Linus? Aug 22 08:22:45 das: nice Aug 22 08:23:01 * koen spent too much time backporting fixes to 3.82 to make it actually work Aug 22 08:23:04 Userspace needs a linus army Aug 22 08:23:14 There is way too much userspace for one Aug 22 08:23:32 at least 3.82 can build 3.81 Aug 22 08:23:57 av500: many thanks again, I will look into this. Every simple MCU with USB supports USB Device CDC, it would be strange if the BBB does not support it :-) Aug 22 08:24:08 everyone should use bsd make Aug 22 08:24:18 Anguel: the BBB has a usb host and a device port Aug 22 08:24:23 the rest is SW Aug 22 08:24:38 av500: what's wrong with 3.82? Aug 22 08:24:51 it breaks exisiting make files Aug 22 08:25:26 ah, I see "Pattern search changes" Aug 22 08:26:07 av500: you are right about the device port, however I don't have much experience with Linux and didn't know how easy or hard it is to get this to work :-) Aug 22 08:27:00 av500: its why using debian is good Aug 22 08:27:01 :-) Aug 22 08:27:04 ha ha. Aug 22 08:27:10 ? Aug 22 08:27:23 using deiban is good. Aug 22 08:27:41 for no particular reason Aug 22 08:27:57 * mrpackethead puts his troll trap away Aug 22 08:28:30 mrpackethead: well, as soon as I read about Debian maintainers hitting the GNU make people over the head with baseball bats I will switch Aug 22 08:34:41 hi guys, is there a way to update angstrom from the board itself? Aug 22 08:34:53 do i need to reprogramm eMMC Aug 22 08:34:55 ? Aug 22 08:39:14 norbi try opkg Aug 22 08:42:01 I installed Arch Linux ARM on my BBB's eMMC and I don't seem to be able to: use the USB port for serial or USB Mass Storage anymore (the latter is unsurprising), or adjust the bootargs. Aug 22 08:42:36 but you have access to it now right? Aug 22 08:42:51 it = ? Aug 22 08:42:59 woglinde: what do you mean? Aug 22 08:43:02 you have a shell on the arch linux on BBB Aug 22 08:43:08 oh, yes Aug 22 08:43:10 via ethernet or serial ttl cable Aug 22 08:43:14 ethernet Aug 22 08:43:26 I don't have the serial TTL cable, unfortunately Aug 22 08:43:57 if I edit uEnv.txt, it doesn't appear to do anything, but I'm not entirely sure I'm doing it right Aug 22 08:44:09 what would you edit there? Aug 22 08:44:16 to make USB work? Aug 22 08:44:16 * jpfau has no real experience with getting U-Boot to do anything out of the ordinary Aug 22 08:44:23 woglinde: if i do opkg update it will do all the stuff needed? Aug 22 08:44:32 I actually want to adjust the HDMI resolution used on boot, too Aug 22 08:44:33 ok one at a time.. to get serial over usb working, you need to load the g_serial module Aug 22 08:44:38 my TV doesn't recognize it Aug 22 08:45:10 modprobe g_serial Aug 22 08:45:13 should do it Aug 22 08:45:20 I have to reboot my device because it doesn't have enough power to do HDMI right now (I need a power adapter too) but I'll do that when it comes back up Aug 22 08:45:52 and to have g_serial load at boot create a file in /etc/modules-load.d/ for it Aug 22 08:46:17 ah that did something Aug 22 08:46:26 dmesg will show you what the device is Aug 22 08:46:45 as in /dev/ttysomething Aug 22 08:47:00 yeah, I know some of what I'm doing, but not some of the specifics Aug 22 08:47:04 now if you want to log in on it also, you need to run getty on it Aug 22 08:47:06 as i can read updating packages are eating more space then reflashing the firmware Aug 22 08:47:19 I just want to make sure it's working for right now Aug 22 08:47:58 yeah, I was able to send a message across Aug 22 08:48:00 I guess the device will be /dev/ttyGS0 Aug 22 08:48:03 indeed Aug 22 08:48:13 on the other end it's ttyACM0, not sure why Aug 22 08:48:18 is there any reason to upgrade from 3.8.13 r23a. 16 to r23a. 23 ? Aug 22 08:48:31 I plugged it into a USB3 port in the hopes it might negotiate a higher power rating, but that was a folly :P Aug 22 08:48:59 systemd doesn't do /dev/inittab does it Aug 22 08:49:17 if you used a recent Arch bootloader tarball it should draw more power from USB Aug 22 08:49:48 I set this up a few months ago; can I update that without using the eMMC flasher, e.g. in the OS? Aug 22 08:50:03 like, will pacman -Syu pick it up? Aug 22 08:50:32 or is it a new uImage? Aug 22 08:50:33 you need to do something like: systemctl enable serial-getty@ttyGS0.service Aug 22 08:50:42 no no it's just uEnv.txt Aug 22 08:50:55 and moving to that, you are probably editing /boot/uEnv.txt Aug 22 08:51:01 which is not actually used for booting ;) Aug 22 08:51:28 make sure you edit the uEnv.txt on the mmc's first partition Aug 22 08:51:35 I mounted /dev/mmcblk0p1 to /mnt Aug 22 08:51:38 and edited that one Aug 22 08:51:39 which is a small FAT16 partition Aug 22 08:51:41 ah ok Aug 22 08:51:45 pastebin it Aug 22 08:52:04 uh, I think my device panicked when I tried to set up the getty Aug 22 08:52:11 what? Aug 22 08:52:23 SSH went down and the heartbeat light isn't flashing anymore Aug 22 08:52:37 from running systemctl enable? Aug 22 08:52:54 it shouldn't even start anything, just make a few symlinks Aug 22 08:52:57 .. I think Aug 22 08:53:02 Enable did this: "The unit files have no [Install] section. They are not meant to be enabled using systemctl." Aug 22 08:53:08 so I did systemctl start to see if that worked Aug 22 08:53:12 * Vaizki is not in love with systemd Aug 22 08:53:16 me neither Aug 22 08:53:16 hmmm Aug 22 08:53:33 I might have remembered that one wrong, sorry :O Aug 22 08:53:53 so long as I have SSH working, the serial terminal is less important Aug 22 08:54:16 that's a wrong assumption Aug 22 08:54:30 ssh will fail at the most inconvenient time Aug 22 08:54:35 haha fair enough Aug 22 08:54:46 so did it reboot? Aug 22 08:55:19 yeah Aug 22 08:56:10 http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html Aug 22 08:56:23 that should help you more than I did :) Aug 22 08:56:46 though I'm not sure about the Install section. Aug 22 08:57:06 did I make symlinks manually then.. it's been so long Aug 22 08:58:48 here's my uEnv.txt btw: http://pastebin.com/HeQkrTA7 Aug 22 08:59:20 according to dmesg, though, my bootargs are thus: Kernel command line: console=ttyO0,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext4 rootwait fixrtc Aug 22 09:01:01 I don't know what that kms_force_mode is Aug 22 09:01:18 someone in another channel told me that I should try that, but I didn't have that in there originally Aug 22 09:01:23 it used to just be video= Aug 22 09:01:32 didn't do anything though, as far as I could tell Aug 22 09:02:07 I think it needs to be: optargs=video=HDMI-A-1... Aug 22 09:02:27 optargs is used for extra kernel parameters by "normal" uboot environmnets Aug 22 09:03:28 also the console= line probably won't do anything Aug 22 09:03:59 oh and to have the BBB draw more power over USB, you need to add some I2C magic Aug 22 09:04:46 I wouldn't know where to look for that I2C magic, unfortunately Aug 22 09:05:28 sec.. Aug 22 09:05:48 http://pastebin.com/t5Q9M9US Aug 22 09:05:53 see it there on the first line? Aug 22 09:06:16 write one word (16 bits) to device 0x24 command 1 value 0x3e Aug 22 09:07:01 it will allow the device to draw power up to hmm was it 1A Aug 22 09:07:25 of course if you draw from a PS make sure it has 1A rating.. and if from a computer, your computer may complain and shut down the port Aug 22 09:07:59 but I think the Arch bootloader tarball should have had that uEnv.txt Aug 22 09:08:26 ok, let me reboot Aug 22 09:08:29 of course you can just fetch http://archlinuxarm.org/os/omap/BeagleBone-bootloader.tar.gz Aug 22 09:08:45 it will have newest uboot, uEnv.txt and SPL (the MLO file) Aug 22 09:09:17 but I wouldn't upgrade the MLO file Aug 22 09:09:20 the i2c command isn't in that tarball Aug 22 09:09:31 yeah, I know, you have to write the MLO file as the first file to the partition Aug 22 09:09:34 yeah Aug 22 09:09:40 for it to be in the right place Aug 22 09:09:47 so mkfs it and then extract if you do that Aug 22 09:11:17 wow, the scanlines are all corrupted, but at least it shows up at all on my TV now :P Aug 22 09:11:28 hey awesome, it works Aug 22 09:11:32 but there's terrible overscan Aug 22 09:12:27 and I think it's the device's fault, because adjusting any of my monitors just has the same picture, but with pictureboxing Aug 22 09:12:57 well I have never hooked up HDMI to the BBB so you're on your own (read: google) Aug 22 09:13:32 I've tried that before, but not with as much working then as I do now so I'll try a fresh round of googling Aug 22 09:13:38 thanks for all your help, though Aug 22 09:13:50 Things are working a lot more now than they were Aug 22 09:13:55 oh and there is #archlinux-arm too if you have Arch specific stuff... Aug 22 09:14:02 ah, good to know Aug 22 09:14:34 Hi guys, I'm having a problem with the Angstrom OS. Both the pre-installed and updated versions of Angstrom (as of yday) work fine to a point... If it start to type too much into the text editor say or try and run the image editor, the OS will eventually freeze and I have to reset the board each time. I'm not really sure what I'm doing wrong here as its nothing out of the ordinary.. Bit of a newbie here..Thanks all! Aug 22 09:15:00 jpfau: Ddi you start with the tv connected? I *think* it forces the output to 1024x768 if it can not identify the monitor. Aug 22 09:15:49 plundra: historically starting with the monitor attached has yielded no picture at all, but yes Aug 22 09:16:16 if I started without the monitor attached, the scanlines appear to be the wrong pitch (or something) and they are all corrupted as a result Aug 22 09:17:49 I would not hook up a computer of any kind to a HDMI display / tv where you can't disable overscan on the input there and get 1:1 pixel mapping Aug 22 09:17:56 it's just asking for trouble Aug 22 09:18:31 so I can adjust the overscan settings on the TV and my monitor, but the picture ends up being pictureboxed, leading me to believe it's just outputting the wrong thing Aug 22 09:20:24 what resolution are you trying, 640x480? Aug 22 09:21:07 yeah Aug 22 09:21:14 because most HDMI televisions - at least older ones - won't really accept anything except HDMI resolutions over a HDMI port Aug 22 09:21:46 I mean, it's showing up Aug 22 09:21:50 just cut off Aug 22 09:21:56 this TV's also from last year Aug 22 09:22:02 so it's not *that* old Aug 22 09:22:08 well it should support 1280x720 then? Aug 22 09:22:33 @60 Aug 22 09:23:18 is that one of the resolutions the BBB supports? Aug 22 09:23:30 yes, it's the normal HDMI 720p resolution Aug 22 09:23:51 but as I said, I never tried it myself :) Aug 22 09:23:55 let me try that myself, then Aug 22 09:26:40 that didn't seem to work, but that's probably my TV being funky, let me try SD Aug 22 09:29:26 hmm Aug 22 09:29:46 Hey anyone know what is wrong with my BBB? Aug 22 09:29:55 I have the ubuntu armhf running on it Aug 22 09:30:12 and when i connect the miniusb between my windows 7 PC and the BBB Aug 22 09:30:14 nothing happens Aug 22 09:30:26 under device manager, not even 'unknonw device' Aug 22 09:30:50 the PC does not detect it what soever Aug 22 09:31:02 the BBB is capable of being powered by the miniusb port though Aug 22 09:31:16 hoagieman you missing some modules or they are not loaded Aug 22 09:31:30 on the ubuntu? Aug 22 09:31:33 yes Aug 22 09:31:37 how do you do this? Aug 22 09:31:40 try modprobe g_ether Aug 22 09:31:58 I do not have a bbb Aug 22 09:32:05 but the problems are generic ones Aug 22 09:32:14 i will try it in a second Aug 22 09:32:16 but before I do Aug 22 09:32:30 shouldn it atleast just recognize that some USB was plugged in? Aug 22 09:32:31 ups sorry Aug 22 09:32:35 g_ether was net Aug 22 09:32:37 stupid me Aug 22 09:32:57 'g_ether was net' Aug 22 09:32:57 ? Aug 22 09:33:08 try modprobe g_cdc Aug 22 09:37:14 woglinde Aug 22 09:37:21 I tried modprobe g_cdc Aug 22 09:37:27 and it had no output Aug 22 09:38:17 ubuntu@ubuntu-armhf:/$ sudo modprobe g_ether FATAL: Error inserting g_ether (/lib/modules/3.8.13-bone20/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_ether.ko): No such device Aug 22 09:38:31 That is what i got fo modprobe g_ether Aug 22 09:38:50 Any idea as to what is going on? Aug 22 09:41:02 Anyone? Aug 22 09:43:13 Could anyone help me please? Aug 22 09:43:28 hoagieman: be nice and have patience ! Aug 22 09:43:45 Sorry... :/ Aug 22 09:44:40 my guess is that the driver you want to load is a composite driver. but it is more of a ubuntu question Aug 22 09:45:56 what gadget drivers do you see? (also the error g_ether.ko suggest the kernel knows about that module and therefore propbably your kernel and modules are not in sync Aug 22 09:46:42 how do i check the gadget driver? Aug 22 09:47:08 also i am using the prebuilt image http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ Aug 22 09:50:36 I don't know ubuntu on arm :P , look at your current kernel version (uname -a) , look for modules (find . / -name "*.ko") . run depmod -a (if that still exists). I don't think you will get much more help here Aug 22 09:51:36 keesj maybee it is build in and he have to tinker with /sys foo to get it activated Aug 22 09:52:34 also what does "No such device" really mean in that context. Aug 22 09:53:05 No device is detected at all Aug 22 09:53:13 Its not that the device isnt recognized Aug 22 09:53:21 Its just not detected what soever.. Aug 22 09:54:27 perhaps dmesg can tell more Aug 22 09:55:24 I will try this Aug 22 09:55:26 thank you Aug 22 10:45:41 hello everyone Aug 22 10:45:51 i have a stupid question Aug 22 10:46:21 in BBB on the default Angstrom distro, what happened with /etc/network/interfaces file??? Aug 22 10:48:54 its gone because conman or networkmanager is used? Aug 22 10:53:04 awesome, everything on the internet indicates to the old netcfg Aug 22 10:53:27 for black or for angstroem? Aug 22 10:56:04 thanks Aug 22 10:58:20 "opkg upgrade" doesn't seem to work, i updated the /etc/opkg/ feeds to eu.feeds.... but still i get the same behaviour, the command returns straight Aug 22 10:58:35 anybody else experiencing this? Aug 22 10:59:39 did you run opkg update before Aug 22 10:59:41 ? Aug 22 10:59:52 yes Aug 22 11:00:09 did it download something? Aug 22 11:00:12 no Aug 22 11:00:18 the command just returns Aug 22 11:00:18 otherwise there is maybee nothing to update Aug 22 11:00:56 i already experience this behaviour when the Angstrom feed was being updated, so i wonder if it's the case now Aug 22 11:06:17 if the command returns, you're up to date Aug 22 11:07:34 koen: btw any news wrt new narcissus? Aug 22 11:08:00 all right, yeap. I manually downgraded a package and it upgraded it. thanks woglinde and koen Aug 22 11:08:09 ok, does anyone know how to use connman on angstrom to auto connect a ppp connection on startup? Aug 22 11:08:28 * mru knows how to use pppd Aug 22 11:08:39 ppp dials ok Aug 22 11:09:05 is this actual dialup or pppoe/pppoa adsl? Aug 22 11:09:16 ppp on 3g modem Aug 22 11:09:51 if i run pon sets the connection ok Aug 22 11:10:45 but i do not want to go > set a startup script that runs pon on boot Aug 22 11:11:08 does anyone make 3g modems with more sane interface than ppp Aug 22 11:11:25 suihkulokki: ppp is not part of the modem Aug 22 11:11:28 ppp is fine Aug 22 11:11:33 and ppp is fine Aug 22 11:11:54 its easy to config and runs for days without disconnecting Aug 22 11:11:57 suihkulokki: is your issue with ppp or the modem-y bits? Aug 22 11:12:33 first you should modeswitch it to get the usb serial interface Aug 22 11:13:12 serial? not acm? Aug 22 11:13:46 mru: my impression was that ppp is really just between modem and pc, but if that's not the case I'll just shut up Aug 22 11:14:10 ppp is between pc and isp Aug 22 11:14:36 that link has to use _some_ protocol Aug 22 11:16:22 so about the connection manager in angstrom Aug 22 11:16:38 anyone knows how to make it start a ppp conection on boot? Aug 22 11:18:16 ant_work: nope :( Aug 22 11:18:32 no sponsor$ yet ? Aug 22 11:18:41 tried to read the documentation but it's practicly non existent Aug 22 11:18:58 ant_work: contracts is about to get signed, verbal go ahead is there already Aug 22 11:19:16 he he.. trust it..err.. do not ;) Aug 22 11:20:00 how would you make an ethernet interface activate on startup? Aug 22 11:41:24 * KotH would sacrifice a virgin bar of chocolate on midnight on a moonless night, deep in the forest, in an unnamed clearing, after the third deer passed by and gave his blessing Aug 22 11:41:59 ... while blasting motörhead at full volume. Aug 22 11:42:15 uhmm.. wouldn't wagner be a better choice? Aug 22 11:42:42 no. Aug 22 11:42:52 ok, then motörhead it is Aug 22 11:43:11 mru: if it can count, I did once see an ethernet pci card orthogonally inserted in a slot. Was not activated on startup (if any) probably Aug 22 11:43:27 manowar or rhypsody of fire might yount as wagnerian metal, hence could replace if you don't have any motörhead record nearby. Aug 22 11:43:38 ant_work: how do insert a card orthogonally? Aug 22 11:43:47 mabe with an hammer? Aug 22 11:43:48 isn't that the normal way? Aug 22 11:44:55 * KotH doesnt have any motörhead, manowar or rhypsody record neaby Aug 22 11:45:00 wagner on the other hand.... Aug 22 11:45:41 fail. Aug 22 11:45:58 * KotH is not a metälhead Aug 22 11:47:45 not even if the metal is chocolate coated ? Aug 22 12:10:08 does anybody has a link with a fresh image from a BBB? the one from eMMC? Aug 22 12:12:45 Hello everybody Aug 22 12:13:23 Is nobody here? Aug 22 12:14:40 sorry, most people went home for the weekend a couple hours ago Aug 22 12:15:03 we take weekends seriously here Aug 22 12:28:48 you're awfully quiet for a friday Aug 22 12:28:52 cscope or ctags ? Aug 22 12:30:42 how can i make the kernel to always map eMMC to /dev/mmcblk0 and uSD to /dev/mmcblk1. when i boot from ram and no uSD is inserted eMMC is /dev/mmcblk0 and when i have uSD inserted eMMC is /dev/mmcblk1 and uSD is /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 22 12:34:22 das: cscope for standalone, ctags for vi Aug 22 12:36:09 vvu|Mobile: that's detection order Aug 22 12:36:22 vvu|Mobile: i dont know but maybe you can do something with DT Aug 22 12:36:34 vvu|Mobile: or you can change the kernel code to first detect the emmc Aug 22 12:36:45 mhmhm Aug 22 12:36:49 thx for the tips Aug 22 12:36:57 vvu|Mobile: alternatively use /dev/disk/by-path/ Aug 22 12:37:10 if you have a modern udev, that is Aug 22 12:37:17 and the appropriate config Aug 22 12:39:40 das: etags Aug 22 12:40:36 hmmh.. can a userspace daemon running as root somehow offer a "file" in /proc or /sys? Aug 22 12:40:53 just shoot me down now so I won't bang my head against the wall? :) Aug 22 12:41:02 no Aug 22 12:41:05 thx Aug 22 12:42:22 mru: heretic ! Aug 22 12:43:02 Hey all. Anyone have advice on battery powering our Beagles? Aug 22 12:43:09 I see there's a cape, but it's kinda ugly. Aug 22 12:45:36 I see decent ones on Amazon, e.g: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Trent-iCarrier-IMP120D-chargeable/dp/B004CHMP50/ Aug 22 12:45:47 3A, 12000mAh Aug 22 12:46:18 Hm, and I guessI could use one usb port for the bone, and one for the powered hub Aug 22 12:46:26 Vaizki, mru: Not that it's a good idea but you could probably use FUSE to create a virtual file system and mount it some place off of /proc or /sys Aug 22 12:46:48 that's not how I interpreted the question Aug 22 12:48:55 right... directly within sysfs or proc the answer would be no Aug 22 12:49:03 yea I was wondering if there's a way to register virtual file nodes somewhere to offer easy access to my daemon status info Aug 22 12:49:20 so instead of offering a control socket with commands, just offer a file that can be cat'd Aug 22 12:49:23 wow, expensive: http://www.amazon.de/New-Trent-IMP120D-Thunderbolt-Hochgeschwindigkeits-Ladeger%C3%A4t/dp/B004CHMP50 Aug 22 12:49:27 you could of course make a driver that allowed creation of such files Aug 22 12:49:39 yes Aug 22 12:49:59 av500: hmm, charging batteries by thunderbolt should be pretty quick if done literally Aug 22 12:50:18 a device capable of doing this safely would probably be quite expensive Aug 22 12:50:37 That price looks like 11 thousand Euros??! Aug 22 12:50:57 Best to buy it from the UK market for ?37 :P Aug 22 12:51:09 it does indeed say 11k Aug 22 12:51:15 but free shipping Aug 22 12:51:16 * narcos smells a plan of buying them in the UK and selling them in Germany. Aug 22 12:51:18 bargain Aug 22 12:51:26 Ah, free shipping, you should've said Aug 22 12:51:27 the 37€ one is a special offer to get you hooked Aug 22 12:55:01 Would it make sense to plug my mains power into one of those 11k batteries, and then the battery into the Bone? Aug 22 12:55:07 Is that "bad electronics" ? Aug 22 12:56:33 Vaizki: If you provide a dbus interface to access the information you could get to it pretty easily from a shell using the gdbus command or from just about any scripting/programming environment (and it would probably piss off mru XD) Aug 22 12:56:50 dbus?! Aug 22 12:56:54 ayeeyeygghgh Aug 22 12:57:06 I thought it was short for DESKTOP bus Aug 22 12:57:35 georgem: or you could just use a unix-domain socket Aug 22 12:57:42 the way god intended Aug 22 12:57:52 Vaizki, the kernel has a dbus implementation ... nothing to do with desktop :) Aug 22 12:58:11 its just a cheap replacement for sockets Aug 22 12:58:14 why dbus? Aug 22 12:58:25 so use sockets and be happy :0 Aug 22 12:58:27 why in the name of all that is holy and tastes well dbus? Aug 22 12:58:27 Vaizki: it's short for "all your warez are belong to lennart" Aug 22 12:58:51 mru, dnus is still independent ... the code just lives in lennarts tree Aug 22 12:58:54 *dbus Aug 22 12:59:07 like udev Aug 22 12:59:20 * mru still happily uses udev-171 Aug 22 12:59:29 yea sure unix domain socket is the normal way to go but instead of asking people to write clients or having myself write one that supports all kinds of status commands, was thinking why not expose something like /proc :) Aug 22 12:59:37 * KotH still happily uses whatever debian provides Aug 22 13:00:10 KotH: then you too will be a slave to lennart soon enough Aug 22 13:00:11 * ogra_ has to implement the lennart shit in ubuntu to work with upstart ... and revert all that mess Aug 22 13:00:21 mru: that's the moment when i will switch Aug 22 13:00:26 * ogra_ is envious ... Aug 22 13:00:30 Vaizki: thats why you use dbus. because it would take 4 lines of python code to get the status Aug 22 13:00:33 KotH: switch to what though? Aug 22 13:00:40 mru: gentoo? arch? LFS? Aug 22 13:00:41 it's getting harder to avoid that crap every day Aug 22 13:00:50 it's creeping into gentoo as well Aug 22 13:00:54 meh! Aug 22 13:00:55 * Vaizki wonders if Lennart has the balls of steel or lack of consciousness to actually require use of systemd from udev Aug 22 13:00:59 * das likes upstart Aug 22 13:01:05 mru: what makes people use it? Aug 22 13:01:06 Vaizki: that's his plan Aug 22 13:01:10 he's stated as much Aug 22 13:01:14 I know Aug 22 13:01:15 You haven't figured it out yet... Aug 22 13:01:18 mru: i dont know of any real problem it solves Aug 22 13:01:22 worst day of my life when i seen the shipped bbb with angstrom and the systemd bullshit Aug 22 13:01:22 lennart == the borg Aug 22 13:01:28 Vaizki: currently you don't need to use systemd to use udev Aug 22 13:01:28 KotH: nor do I Aug 22 13:01:35 mru: i can understand, to some extend, the use of dbus. but systemd...? Aug 22 13:01:41 koen: I know that too. Aug 22 13:01:43 koen: that's only a matter of time Aug 22 13:01:51 lennart is on record saying so Aug 22 13:02:22 I can understand the concept of dbus being appealing Aug 22 13:02:25 which is going to mean udev fork Aug 22 13:02:29 but the implementation is dreadful Aug 22 13:02:33 yeah.. Aug 22 13:02:34 I can't see any other way Aug 22 13:02:43 and if frequently has the wrong scope for what you want Aug 22 13:02:45 *it Aug 22 13:02:49 yeah.. Aug 22 13:02:59 Vaizki: eudev? Aug 22 13:03:04 Vaizki: that failed from the start Aug 22 13:03:12 that failed for two reasons Aug 22 13:03:17 hal Aug 22 13:03:19 1) the guys doing it were incompetent Aug 22 13:03:27 2) they were mocked to death by greg kh Aug 22 13:03:40 2) was possible because of 1) Aug 22 13:03:46 but it was wrong Aug 22 13:04:02 greg mocked the _idea_ of a fork Aug 22 13:04:21 greg only has as much power as people give him Aug 22 13:04:34 greg has a _lot_ of power Aug 22 13:04:39 I don't really give a fork Aug 22 13:04:58 georgem: I know they already fucked you in the ass and made you believe you liked it Aug 22 13:05:49 mru: come on! dont get personal! Aug 22 13:05:57 try saying that on the lkml :) Aug 22 13:06:10 mru: he is just one of the majority, who gives a shit about what system he is running Aug 22 13:06:18 mru: typical win/macos user Aug 22 13:06:20 georgem: I'm not afraid of sarah sharp Aug 22 13:07:22 lol Aug 22 13:07:46 well there will be a fork of udev if it requires systemd Aug 22 13:07:54 no matter what gkh says Aug 22 13:08:30 because openrc, upstart and redhat guys are not having it? Aug 22 13:08:36 ah, it's going to be good to work on some proprietary code again Aug 22 13:08:36 how wrong would that be ? udev to require systemd ? Aug 22 13:08:59 the_dude: lennart has said it _will_ happen Aug 22 13:09:14 lennart is a stupid troll Aug 22 13:09:22 with a lot of followers Aug 22 13:09:34 lennart is a very, very dangerious person Aug 22 13:09:38 -i Aug 22 13:09:45 lennart thinks udev-systemd marriage is a kludge and he wants them in a monolithic package tightly interwoven Aug 22 13:09:46 the time of trolls like icaza, shutleworth and so on has ended Aug 22 13:10:05 says who? Aug 22 13:10:06 the_dude: neither of those had as much power as lennart Aug 22 13:10:08 I really don't have a huge love for all rock star tech but some people insist on keeping their heads up their ass and clinging to ancient technology. If they have better ideas then lennart they should step up to the plate and start innovating. Aug 22 13:10:21 Hmm @ http://pansenti.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/powering-a-beaglebone-black-with-a-single-cell-li-ion-or-lipo-battery-yes-it-can-be-done-but-there-are-issues/ Aug 22 13:10:24 it's not about new vs old Aug 22 13:10:32 "The power management IC used on the BeagleBone Black (the TPS65217C) has the ability to power the system from a single cell LiPo or Li-ion battery and also has a built-in charger." Aug 22 13:10:38 koen: can we have Sarah Sharp fix musb? Aug 22 13:10:41 http://marc.info/?l=linux-usb&m=137714769606183&w=2 Aug 22 13:10:45 it's about not throwing out decades of experience Aug 22 13:10:46 mru: said the fact that the mighty ubuntu phone came short Aug 22 13:10:53 georgem: unix grew and lots of subsystems were replaced because of new needs and better implementations Aug 22 13:10:55 and novell got rid of icaza Aug 22 13:10:56 georgem: well we have openrc, upstart, launchd etc.. but everyone uses udev Aug 22 13:11:09 but no usb Aug 22 13:11:10 av500: I noticed that patch and I suspect it actually fixes some musb issues Aug 22 13:11:13 georgem: but if you want to replace an old system, you first have to understand why it has evolved that way Aug 22 13:11:28 which lennart refuses to do Aug 22 13:11:30 georgem: lennart replaces them without this understanding, and that's what upsets people Aug 22 13:11:45 and he doesn't give the replacement time to mature Aug 22 13:11:48 narcos: do you have a question? Aug 22 13:12:16 mru: there is no time to give it time Aug 22 13:12:22 don't you see Aug 22 13:12:28 systemd will die without a ecosystem, like ubuntu provided one for upstart Aug 22 13:12:45 yeah, it will wither with fedory Aug 22 13:12:46 yeah, it will wither with fedora Aug 22 13:12:46 and suse Aug 22 13:12:46 upstart is now ubuntu only and it will never be more Aug 22 13:13:23 Vaizki: My general question above was about powering the Beagle from a battery source as a backup, as well as mains. My plan is to buy one of those iPhone type charging batteries, and plug one output into the bone, one into my powered hub, and then plug the mains into the battery charge input. Aug 22 13:13:26 the_dude: and chromeoes Aug 22 13:13:30 I was wondering if that's the "right way to do it" Aug 22 13:13:41 I think the strategy will be to first make gnome require systemd Aug 22 13:13:56 narcos: its a way Aug 22 13:14:02 the trolls combined lol icaza + lennart Aug 22 13:14:08 narcos: if you power it with +5V from a usb "charger" or battery pack yes it will work and yes the host usb on the BBB will also supply power Aug 22 13:14:10 once that is done, they'll insist that since "everybody" needs it anyway, udev might as well depend on it too Aug 22 13:14:11 I've found a 3A battery - well, it seems one output is 1A, the other 3A - so the hub can have the 3A Aug 22 13:14:19 because you are feeding in 5V which the USB needs Aug 22 13:14:35 mru: afaik they are already halfway there Aug 22 13:14:36 mru: it already does iirc, logind is a req for gdm Aug 22 13:14:43 Super, just wanted confirmation, *buys* Aug 22 13:14:44 mru: but I haven't looked at it for a while Aug 22 13:14:45 ta for the input Aug 22 13:14:58 if you use the PMIC lipo stuff, you are running on a single cell which is +3.6V or so.. and there is no step up converter on board to boost that to +5V Aug 22 13:15:12 OK Aug 22 13:15:29 so you will have +3.3v and +1.8v system voltage but not +5V for Vusb Aug 22 13:15:57 OK, so scrap that then. Aug 22 13:16:16 anyone knows why the kali image is not booting on bbb ? Aug 22 13:16:40 I just wasn't sure if it was normal to plug mains into the battery, then battery into the Beagle. i.e. I thought I might have to switch between the two. Aug 22 13:16:41 kali is the new kang? Aug 22 13:16:49 the_dude: Is there an ARM kali ? Aug 22 13:16:49 the new btr Aug 22 13:16:56 yes there is Aug 22 13:17:04 Neat. Aug 22 13:17:26 The move to Debian was so right. Aug 22 13:17:31 since i do not have a serial <> usb i cannot debug Aug 22 13:18:03 the_dude: SSH won't run by default with Kali, if that's what you're trying. Aug 22 13:18:12 Are you providing it with DHCP? Can you ping it? Aug 22 13:18:19 no, it is not even booting, nothing via hdmi Aug 22 13:18:24 no led lights Aug 22 13:19:01 Hm, that sounds like hardware Aug 22 13:19:10 guys, BBB has different filesystem then previous version of beagle, im new in embedded linux, i try to acces the GPIO and i cant find the file in the /sys/devices/platform Aug 22 13:19:30 the_dude: Did it boot with the default O/S it came with? (Angstrom) Aug 22 13:19:36 the image is fine, i can mount the microsd partitions Aug 22 13:19:54 narcos: it is running fine under debian mate Aug 22 13:20:18 either via microssd either via emmc Aug 22 13:20:18 the_dude: Sorry, I'm not sure then Aug 22 13:20:48 norbi: yes, it changed Aug 22 13:20:56 The folks in #kali-linux are pretty helpful though Aug 22 13:21:04 ah thanks Aug 22 13:23:14 av500: i cant find any documentation related to the changes or any free book for this open source system that takes it from A to the Z Aug 22 13:23:27 there is none Aug 22 13:24:15 av500: then how should i know about how can i start using this thing and learn it? i need to BUY a book for it? Aug 22 13:24:37 check the mailing list Aug 22 13:24:47 av500: mailing list? Aug 22 13:24:52 yes Aug 22 13:27:24 you must subscribe to all linux-kernel mailinglists Aug 22 13:27:31 read all mails Aug 22 13:27:32 nonsense Aug 22 13:27:38 there is a beagleboard mailing list Aug 22 13:28:13 even a simple google query like "Beaglebone black GPIO" yields results Aug 22 13:28:19 norbi: ^^^ Aug 22 13:33:09 Anyone know what Pelican case this is - http://hackaday.com/2013/08/05/def-con-hacking-charities-and-routers/ Aug 22 13:34:07 a yellow one Aug 22 13:35:41 heh Aug 22 13:35:43 Thanks Aug 22 13:35:47 np Aug 22 13:35:49 I think it might be this one - http://www.pelican.com/cases_detail_storm.php?Case=iM2400 Aug 22 13:36:24 Hmm @ "Get quote" for price. I assume that means "too expensive for you, hippie" Aug 22 13:38:44 or "we usually dont have any on stock, just ask how many you need and we'll produce them for you" Aug 22 13:38:49 btw the logicsupply steel case is awesome for bbb Aug 22 13:39:02 you drive over yours much? Aug 22 13:39:18 at least twice a day Aug 22 13:39:26 or he has kids Aug 22 13:39:45 worse, very annoyingly curious kittens Aug 22 13:39:51 [kernel] CommunistCode opened pull request #57: readme: add CROSS_COMPILE and ARCH flags into kernel make command (3.8...patch-1) http://git.io/rc53nw Aug 22 13:40:05 the_dude: nothing that cannot be solved by a 10kV electric fence Aug 22 13:40:11 im2400's are like $100 Aug 22 13:40:34 fwiw, amazon sells them :) That's where I get most of my pelican stuff Aug 22 13:40:37 koen: I just submitted a small kernel readme patch that I would like you to consider, something that I hit up against when showing a colleague how to build the beaglebone kernel Aug 22 13:41:23 the_dude: Got a link? Aug 22 13:41:29 And that case looks like a 1500 Aug 22 13:41:35 in the defcon picture Aug 22 13:43:47 narcos: https://www.logicsupply.co.uk/cases/mini-pc-cases/bb100/ Aug 22 13:44:32 ta Aug 22 13:44:57 jackmitchell: is your doc on github ? Aug 22 13:45:28 das: yeah, BeagleGithub picked it up earlier Aug 22 13:45:32 14:39:51 - BeagleGithub: [kernel] CommunistCode opened pull request #57: readme: add CROSS_COMPILE and ARCH flags into kernel make command (3.8...patch-1) http://git.io/rc53nw Aug 22 13:48:11 jackmitchell: ah thanks hehe Aug 22 13:48:23 right above my nose Aug 22 13:48:34 wtf what have they done to Manning Aug 22 13:48:35 the_dude: Nice. Too bad no room for a USB hub, battery, etc Aug 22 13:48:36 das: it's almost Friday, you're forgiven Aug 22 13:49:27 :) Aug 22 13:59:42 member:identifier:defiant she's trans, she was trans before, gov didn't do anything Aug 22 13:59:50 err Defiant Aug 22 14:01:56 James_Johnson: You sure? First he apologizes and now this? Aug 22 14:02:46 Defiant her trans status has been known for like 2 years Aug 22 14:08:31 interesting... Aug 22 14:08:52 I don't see how it's relevant Aug 22 14:10:56 btw which is the funny land now allowing 3 kind of sex on the passport ? Aug 22 14:11:20 the iso standard for gender codes has had three options for a long time Aug 22 14:11:52 Well... to be blunt... I think after having my male parts chopped off leaking a bunch of private classified documents and spending decades fighting the government wouldn't seem like such a big life change. Aug 22 14:12:02 that's iso 5218 btw Aug 22 14:12:20 georgem I don't think she's post-op Aug 22 14:12:40 ka6so-away: ping Aug 22 14:14:09 mru: it's nice there is place for a fourth Aug 22 14:14:53 hmm, there are 4 values defined Aug 22 14:14:59 0, 1, 2, 9 Aug 22 14:15:03 wtf Aug 22 14:15:18 for not known, male, female, not applicable Aug 22 14:15:38 maybe they left a gap in case more genders are discovered Aug 22 14:16:33 mru: highest, 9 or usually 99 means 'extra' / 'stranger' Aug 22 14:17:11 any organisms known to have more than genders? Aug 22 14:17:27 the standard is only for humans anyway Aug 22 14:18:18 7 is for shape shifters Aug 22 14:18:26 afaik 0 is for undecided minors Aug 22 14:18:34 (in the scope of law) Aug 22 14:18:45 couldn't it also be used if you simply don't know Aug 22 14:18:47 ? Aug 22 14:18:58 gender isn't a binary value, it's a spectrum. some people fall between 'male' and 'female' Aug 22 14:19:02 or don't give a fuck Aug 22 14:19:09 (you now know everything I know about gender politics) Aug 22 14:19:13 (shit is confusing) Aug 22 14:19:31 make it floating point Aug 22 14:19:44 I'd say multidimensional, rather than spectrum - which implies it's 1D Aug 22 14:19:56 And not constant. Aug 22 14:20:07 it's only confusing if you try to assign it meaning beyond answer the question "would I go to bed with this person?" Aug 22 14:20:16 Quite. Aug 22 14:20:57 shape shifters ftw Aug 22 14:21:28 I swear that girl was prettier last night :) Aug 22 14:21:31 I was meaning more 2D - male-female, then 'intensity' - someone can be functionally asexual with no interest in it. Aug 22 14:21:51 gender != sexual orientation Aug 22 14:21:58 Quite Aug 22 14:22:07 That's a seperate issue Aug 22 14:22:10 there's a correlation though Aug 22 14:26:15 which is weak Aug 22 14:26:51 hardly Aug 22 14:27:09 but then again, there are people who construct a causation chain from the correlation between linguistic ability and time a teenager goes to bed to the anthropological development of early humans Aug 22 14:27:46 oh.. and people on the internet keep citing that over and over again Aug 22 14:27:52 most people I know self-identify as one of the usual genders and prefer to sleep with the other Aug 22 14:27:55 mostly in the form of motivational posters Aug 22 14:31:29 * mranostay hurls chocolate into the room Aug 22 14:31:42 morning mranostay Aug 22 14:35:22 gm mru Aug 22 14:46:39 good morning trolls, friends, enemies, and javascript coders Aug 22 14:46:45 hi jkridner Aug 22 14:46:53 howdy mranostay Aug 22 14:54:42 hello, I was doing some work with my beaglebone black and now the unit doesnt boot. I would like to be able to debug it but I do not have the correct serial debug cable. Is there a way I can connect the beaglebone to a raspberry pi (I have cables so I can link the 2) via serial to debug? Aug 22 14:56:01 ztahenakos: you don't happen to have an arduino or something else with a serial port easier to use than an R-Pi, do you? Aug 22 14:56:23 it is possible. The R-Pi serial port can be wired up to the Black's serial header fairly easily.... Aug 22 14:56:31 I do have an arduino uno Aug 22 14:57:01 Setting up the Uno will be easier, though it is 5V. Just thought about that it needs a level shifter. Aug 22 14:57:28 Thats fine.. I originally connected my pi to my arduino and I had to make a level shifter for that Aug 22 14:57:29 k, I guess on second thought the R-Pi might require less gathering of hardware for you. Aug 22 14:57:36 oh... perfect. Aug 22 14:57:45 why not take the same approach? Aug 22 14:57:48 yeah, whatever you think is easier, I should have the necessary hardware Aug 22 14:57:56 its up to you, It doesnt matter to me Aug 22 14:58:50 Anyone have any success using Yocto to build a Poky image for BBB? I'd love to have your help. Aug 22 15:00:50 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14446840/need-help-using-arduino-r3-as-serial-to-usb-converter-to-program-something Aug 22 15:01:27 http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection Aug 22 15:01:32 both look pretty simple. Aug 22 15:01:49 thank you sir, appreciate it Aug 22 15:02:07 I've only done it with an Arduino, but I don't know the link to the sketch I used... haven't found it again... Aug 22 15:02:31 Ill talke a look later, working at the moment.. Ah its ok, if I need to go the arduino route I can probably whip up a sketch that works Aug 22 15:02:38 I was able to run the sketch and have the Arduino configured to act as a serial port over USB to the board, which was nice because it was blown into the on-board flash. Aug 22 15:04:15 cfo215_ why you need yocto instead of angstroem? Aug 22 15:04:35 jkridner: so.. looking at this page: http://www.armhf.com/index.php/posts/, would I connect the serial lines from the rpi to where they are on the bottom beaglebone? Aug 22 15:04:57 looks like a lot of people from armhf comes here Aug 22 15:05:43 yeah, the board at the bottom of the picture shows the serial debug header. Aug 22 15:06:32 of course, the best place to read about the serial debug header is in the SRM. Aug 22 15:06:44 * jkridner needs to teach a bot to return google results. Aug 22 15:10:49 great! thanks, I should be able to whip something up then so I can figure out how to fix my beaglebone Aug 22 15:12:59 * das checks out new RC to integrate as asked, has tons of new files and not a single README Aug 22 15:13:28 where's the 'magic' button on my keyboard ? Aug 22 15:14:51 data, data everywhere, nor any byte to read Aug 22 15:20:02 jkridner: https://github.com/paullik/IRC-Bot Aug 22 15:25:15 jackmitchell: thanks, I'll look at it tomorrow Aug 22 15:35:47 Anyone have a proper /boot for a beaglebone black that works with Yocto-Poky-Linux /rootfs? Aug 22 15:36:40 Doesnt /boot just contain MLO, u-boot.img, and uEnv.txt? seems like the only thing you could customize is uEnv.txt unless you compiled your own u-boot Aug 22 15:38:38 yes, yocto compiles u-boot. Aug 22 15:39:23 ohhh, so, your thinking is maybe your u-boot isnt right? have you tried any debugging steps like viewing the boot over the serial connector to see whats going on Aug 22 15:41:58 ztahenakos, so if I'm understanding you correctly... just copy the generated MLO, uImage, u-boot.bin files to /boot and tweek uEnv.txt for my bbb. Aug 22 15:42:35 cfo215_: well, no, I was asking a question.. I dont think you ought to just copy stuff around until you know what the problem is Aug 22 15:43:12 ztahenakos, problem is it don't boot. stops at "Starting kernel ...' Aug 22 15:43:29 ztahenakos, so it's getting past U-Boot Aug 22 15:43:45 cfo215_: right.. do you have the kernel uImage in your fs? Aug 22 15:45:04 cfo215_: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Kernel_-_Common_Problems_Booting_Linux Aug 22 15:45:20 cfo215_ still I do not understand why you need poky instead of angstroem? Aug 22 15:45:56 ztahenakos, yes I do. Aug 22 15:45:57 isnt poky dead and smmelly ? Aug 22 15:46:13 * ogra_ thought yocto was the new poky Aug 22 15:46:13 das, I'll look at that thanks. Aug 22 15:46:48 oh, i should probably read backlog before babbling Aug 22 15:47:14 ogra_: yocto is the project, poky is the distro (in high level terms) Aug 22 15:47:23 right Aug 22 15:47:24 I really don't care what distro is on it. I need the image to include Qt4 or Qt5 w/o X11 support. I need access to GPIO and Analog pins, and the touch screen (LCD Cape) needs to work with it. Aug 22 15:47:43 cfo215_ yes and? Aug 22 15:47:43 cfo215_: angstrom has all that prebuilt already Aug 22 15:48:04 jackmitchell, well, pkoy is quite a few years older than yocto ... :) Aug 22 15:48:27 ogra yes and? Aug 22 15:48:28 you could just debootstrap debian wheezy and do that.. Aug 22 15:48:37 ogra_: that's why I mentioned high level terms, you could write a paper on the confusion it causes if you really wanted to :P Aug 22 15:52:15 koen, I've tried the Angstrom. Can't seem to get the image right though. Aug 22 15:53:32 You seriously should just try Debian.. ive never had an issue with it Aug 22 15:54:00 jackmitchell, heh, no thanks :) Aug 22 15:54:35 ztahenakos, how easy is it to customize the distribution. I'm building a machine controller. Aug 22 15:55:43 cfo215_: maybe you've missed it: Angstrom is also a Yocto Distro, much tailored for beagle* Aug 22 15:56:16 cfo215_: its not hard, I did it for my Senior Design project for my BS degree.. what I did was I deboot strapped a base system, and then chrooted into it (using qemu-user-static) and modified it as I saw fit from there. then made it into an iso I could flash. This was for the Raspberry Pi, but, in theory, it should be the same process for the bbb, not including any bbb specific things you have to do Aug 22 15:56:25 ant_work o.O Aug 22 15:56:39 ant_work the bsp is tailored Aug 22 15:56:40 You could also just grab the already made debian wheezy image for bbb and then modify it, since you know that one works Aug 22 15:57:02 the rest are some options that differ from poky Aug 22 15:57:30 ztahenakos debian has qt embedded packages? Aug 22 15:58:02 woglinde: I couldnt imagine why it wouldnt Aug 22 15:58:47 But lets say it doesnt, you can easily take them from somewhere else and repackage them into debs Aug 22 15:59:06 cfo215_: and contrary to poky angstrom actually is yocto compatible, poky isn;'t Aug 22 15:59:13 ztahenakos: maybe you don't know it, but Yocto distros are heavily debian-based Aug 22 15:59:15 *sigh* Aug 22 15:59:20 crappy dsl line agaib Aug 22 15:59:22 has anyone here dabled with UserSpace and Energia with BBB? Aug 22 15:59:36 ant_work: I dont know it. I have never heard of Yocto Aug 22 15:59:43 brimestone: we have 2 summer of code students working on it Aug 22 15:59:51 ztahenakos, sounds like no "Greek" i've ever heard. Here's what I'm looking for: $ . oe-environment...; bitbake name-of-image; copy images to SD card; boot BBB. Aug 22 15:59:57 summer? you mean in school? Aug 22 16:00:13 cfo215_: if you can't get an image recipe right with angstrom, what makes you think you can make it work with poky? Aug 22 16:00:14 ztahenakos: forgiven ;) Aug 22 16:00:26 brimestone: https://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/ Aug 22 16:00:29 cfo215_ right and where excais your problem? Aug 22 16:00:31 args Aug 22 16:00:43 ant_work: yeah, I am kind of new to embedded stuff. My real first experience with it was with the Raspberry Pi and making my own flavor of Debian for it.. now im playing with the BBB Aug 22 16:00:57 cfo215_: I am not familiar with bit-bake Aug 22 16:00:58 welcome to the real world Aug 22 16:01:11 hehù Aug 22 16:01:18 The real world sucks, would rather go back to school world Aug 22 16:01:19 ztahenakos uhm you can run yocto based distro on desktops too Aug 22 16:01:39 so you might have a false view of embedded Aug 22 16:01:46 woglinde_: ah, well, in either case, Ive never heard of yocto Aug 22 16:01:54 koen, I've built the image for poky, I've currently working on trimming down the Angstrom local.conf and bblayers.conf since I don't need a lot of what's there (I think). I'm sorry I'm such a newb but I'm just trying to get some help and am very frustrated at this point. Aug 22 16:01:58 I dont really have any view of embedded, as Ive said I am a new guy to it Aug 22 16:02:29 cfo215_: what the fuck are you touching local.conf and bblayers.conf for? Aug 22 16:02:35 cfo215_: you only need a custom image recipe Aug 22 16:02:37 ^_^ Aug 22 16:02:45 koen is in good mood Aug 22 16:02:51 koen: s/fuck/fück/g to make it more evil Aug 22 16:03:07 koen: which is it under on? Aug 22 16:03:39 LetoThe2nd: we had this at the festival (Karaoke bar): http://www.sannelith.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/lowlandsdag2.jpg Aug 22 16:03:39 what tiny projects could be done using BBB in a 3 hour workshop ? crowd consists of seasoned programmers who are new to the open h/w world Aug 22 16:03:42 koen, ok. I added my own layer, to include phidget library in build. Aug 22 16:03:56 koen: sweeeeet! Aug 22 16:03:58 anujdeshpande: motion detecting camera Aug 22 16:04:12 SpeedEvil ieehks that means opencv Aug 22 16:04:18 in the cloud Aug 22 16:04:20 koen: kind of feels like home. Aug 22 16:04:22 thats not 3 hours Aug 22 16:04:22 koen, and added ${TOPDIR}/sources/meta-qt5 \ to my BBlayers Aug 22 16:04:25 brimestone: have a look at http://elinux.org/Userspace_Arduino Aug 22 16:04:27 woglinde: naah Aug 22 16:04:30 woglinde: 'motion' Aug 22 16:04:38 cfo215_ qt5 is not ready yet Aug 22 16:04:45 opencv might take up too much time.. Aug 22 16:05:09 SpeedEvil hm ah you mean only driving the motor Aug 22 16:05:13 qt5 is in the "I compiled it, but it doesn't work" stage Aug 22 16:05:15 no Aug 22 16:05:30 wonderfull, I'l take qt4. Don't give a shit at the moment. I'd just like to have my BBB booting into any operating system, and running my QT front end with the LCD 7 touchscreen. Aug 22 16:06:01 It should also play well with GPIO and analog signals Aug 22 16:06:05 http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome Aug 22 16:06:11 cfo215_ why not boot the base image and install the qt embedded packages via opkg? Aug 22 16:07:12 SpeedEvil: looks good. thanks ! Aug 22 16:07:13 woglinde, Because when I'm done, I need to be able to load it onto hundreds of machines. I really don't want to use opkg. Id rather just have it in the build. Aug 22 16:07:24 any other ideas #beagle ? Aug 22 16:07:46 cfo215_ you could use dd Aug 22 16:08:00 to get it of your working board Aug 22 16:08:17 woglinde, yeah, true that. Aug 22 16:08:18 otherwise find out how to include qte packages into an image Aug 22 16:08:23 it is not very hard Aug 22 16:08:37 I know how to do that... modify bblayers and local conf files. Aug 22 16:09:11 this looks super-cool (BeagleBone Black based): http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sky-drone-fpv Aug 22 16:09:28 first person flying anywhere there is 3G. Aug 22 16:10:04 cfo215_ wrong Aug 22 16:10:25 cfo215_ btw. you might need https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Creating_a_recipe_for_a_Qt_application Aug 22 16:10:33 woglinde, enlighten me then.. so I can get this sucker finished today. Aug 22 16:10:43 cfo215_ edit the image Aug 22 16:11:02 jkridner: local hackerspace is doing exact same thing :) will post pics soon Aug 22 16:11:23 https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Minimal_Image Aug 22 16:11:43 hi effem Aug 22 16:11:55 hey woglinde, how are you ? Aug 22 16:12:19 effem okay Aug 22 16:12:41 great Aug 22 16:13:19 anujdeshpande: cool. doing a kickstarter/indiegogo? Aug 22 16:13:59 woglinde, thanks, I'll have a look Aug 22 16:14:25 jkridner: not really. it's just a fun thing that we are doing here : http://www.meetup.com/The-Internet-of-Things/ Aug 22 16:17:00 jkridner uhm uhm the telcos will shut it down or depending on your internetplan you will have 64kb after one day Aug 22 16:17:51 koen, could you please look at my configs to see if I created them properly? http://pastebin.com/5zS7PuU9 Aug 22 16:18:22 cfo215_: you need an image recipe, stay away from local.conf Aug 22 16:19:36 koen, I guess I'm miss a lot then. Where do i make an image recipe? I've been trying to follow the OE/Yocto docs and that's where they put stuff in their examples. Aug 22 16:20:14 poky strikes again Aug 22 16:20:32 koen, my core-image-minimal succeeded with my changes. Aug 22 16:20:58 ka6sox: want me to go poke a poky engineers? Aug 22 16:25:39 * das is apparently the local sed expert Aug 22 16:25:44 I should get a raise Aug 22 16:28:58 das: NO RAISE FOR YOU! Aug 22 16:29:42 * das bows in submission Aug 22 16:29:52 * das is afraid of all caps Aug 22 16:31:01 das so it means you are the local regexp expert too Aug 22 16:32:12 on top of being the partitioning and filesystem problem expert as well Aug 22 16:32:38 and this even though I have only a very litmited understanding of it all Aug 22 16:47:58 how to most people connect sensors to their boards? wire a male header to a perfboard and connect the header to the bone? create a shield that had male headers? option C? Aug 22 16:48:44 anyone have photos of their setup? Aug 22 16:48:57 shield? Aug 22 16:49:22 s/shield/cape/ Aug 22 16:49:24 FTFY Aug 22 16:49:32 goge: you could try that protocape from adafruit Aug 22 16:49:35 there isn't enough room on the adafruit protoboard shield for the 4 4pin connectors and 5 3pin connectors Aug 22 16:50:36 that's a shame.. option b sounds good then Aug 22 16:50:48 so I put two male pin headers on the shield which I'm going to connect to a separate protoboard through female header wires Aug 22 16:51:43 but could I have just skipped the protoshield and wired up some male headers on a connection cable soldered to the seperate proto board? Aug 22 16:52:28 I'm not sure what the convention is with male/female headers on boards and cables. Aug 22 16:54:39 mru: did that quotes database always exist? Aug 22 16:55:19 goge: About the same as in the world at large--avoid having a source on male pins, but otherwise, no convention. Aug 22 16:55:34 lol Aug 22 16:56:58 voltage is being supplied from a separate source then the bbb so the pins are digital io, analog o, analog i Aug 22 16:57:22 hmm analog out is kinda source/voltage. does that matter? Aug 22 17:00:51 mranostay: yes Aug 22 17:01:28 goge: Not that much. Just avoid plugging/unplugging live. Aug 22 17:38:52 so what's a cheap but reliable wifi usb adapter for the beaglebone Aug 22 17:39:06 i'm assuming usb is the way to go, based on the horror show that is the TiWi Aug 22 17:39:42 I think I'm going to make a PRU program to talk to my GE Color Effects lights Aug 22 17:41:00 cheap, reliable, usb, pick two Aug 22 17:41:53 atheros wifi seems reliable Aug 22 17:45:22 * mranostay munchs on some SilicaGel cereal Aug 22 17:46:11 so i should find a dongle with an atheros chip in it, htm Aug 22 17:46:16 yeah i know that about usb haha Aug 22 17:53:51 Angstrom bb build, MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh bitbake console-image, doesn't seem to include touch screen support. How do I include that? Aug 22 17:54:21 sorry for BBB with LCD7 cape. Aug 22 17:55:37 or is that something I need to add to uEnv.txt in /boot Aug 22 17:58:53 cfo215 did you read http://beagleboardtoys.info/index.php?title=BeagleBone_LCD7 ? Aug 22 18:06:13 woglinde, reading now... Aug 22 18:57:45 i need help with Userspace-Arduino.. i have no idea on how to run the example.. Aug 22 18:58:01 should i "make" them inside the BBB.. or upload them via the energia IDE? Aug 22 19:21:57 hi, is there another way to flash the beaglebone-flash directly via USB? Aug 22 19:25:56 dnai23 hm I think u-boot dfu implementation does not support the black yet Aug 22 19:52:14 Hello. I have ten beagleboards that are running continuously. With most of them, the ethernet just stops working after a few hours. I would paste some dmesg output if I had any, but all I have right now is that the connectivity/traffic LEDs go blank, and eth0 vanishes. Is that a known problem? Is there a fix? Aug 22 19:53:41 what beagleboard is it? there's a bunch. Aug 22 19:54:37 What OS? What physical environment? What are they doing when it happens? Aug 22 19:55:06 What is different between the ones you see tyhe failure on and the ones you do not? Aug 22 19:55:27 i'm sure he's curious about that last one too. Aug 22 19:56:00 How are they all powered? Aug 22 19:56:28 agmlego: it's annoying when people do what you're doing you know. Aug 22 19:56:29 Is it alwasy the same amount of time before it stops, or is it random? Aug 22 19:56:49 nomel: Eh? Aug 22 19:57:31 sorry, beagleboard xM, running ubuntu 12.04, kernel 3.4.5-x1 Aug 22 19:58:01 they're all powered by ac wall warts Aug 22 19:58:15 it appears to be a random time Aug 22 19:58:15 what rev? Aug 22 19:58:30 mranostay: can I find that out via ssh? Aug 22 19:58:53 look at the sticker Aug 22 19:59:34 oh, I actually have one that should be the same revision here Aug 22 19:59:36 lemme check Aug 22 20:00:11 5211xM199 Aug 22 20:00:21 is that what the sticker you wanted? Aug 22 20:01:14 * nomel looks at his beaglebone and only see the my little pony sticker he pasted on. Aug 22 20:01:42 there is a sticker onthe component side that say "C1" Aug 22 20:02:03 c1 than Aug 22 20:02:44 honestly you proably need a newer kernel where usb stuff is more stable Aug 22 20:02:53 ethernet is connected via usb Aug 22 20:03:02 aware Aug 22 20:03:04 oh Aug 22 20:03:16 and the micro-usb runs off a different core than the usb and ethernet, doesn't it? Aug 22 20:03:38 hm? Aug 22 20:04:19 well when the ethernet crashes, the micro-usb still works Aug 22 20:05:27 than pastebin the dmesg output Aug 22 20:06:08 I'll do that tomorrow when I can get to the boards Aug 22 20:12:50 <_SY_> hello Aug 22 20:13:26 yes Aug 22 20:15:08 my xm is rock-solid Aug 22 20:15:26 with kernel 3.0 Aug 22 20:19:18 mru okay Aug 22 20:19:29 so usb got unstable with 3.4 Aug 22 20:29:43 hm looks like 3.4 is latest kernel working with sgx Aug 22 20:49:21 hey guys.. will the johnny-five node module work with BBB? Aug 22 21:20:58 any us-travellers about Aug 22 21:21:05 * mru waves Aug 22 21:22:55 Las Vegas - Vancover and Calgary - Orlando Aug 22 21:23:09 mostly likely have to transit via somewhere? Aug 22 21:30:20 we have the arkansas travellers baseball team here in North Little Rock ;) Aug 22 21:31:52 mrpackethead: transit? US? Aug 22 21:32:12 mass transit? Aug 22 21:34:04 shutup Aug 22 21:35:22 is ther any licenced wifi bands? Aug 22 21:36:24 yes Aug 22 21:36:26 3.6Ghz Aug 22 21:41:20 is there much avaialblity of gear for the 3.6Ghz band? Aug 22 21:42:31 some Aug 22 21:42:41 its not like 5.8 Aug 22 21:42:46 but ubiquity has some Aug 22 21:42:49 and I'm sure others Aug 22 21:43:00 i've got to decide if we can get away with unlicenced Aug 22 21:43:19 and got to see if we can get "multicast" over wifi Aug 22 21:43:36 I ownzer your display :P Aug 22 21:43:42 make it say what I want... Aug 22 21:43:44 he he Aug 22 21:43:51 Well - multicaset is basically what ad-hoc networking is Aug 22 21:44:31 i have to look to see if multicast is actually goign to help Aug 22 21:44:37 or if we can jsut do everything in unicast Aug 22 21:44:43 or it might be a combinaton Aug 22 21:53:58 does the FCC have AR-15s like the IRS? Aug 22 21:54:38 Another option. Aug 22 21:54:47 how small can a narrowband uhf receiver be Aug 22 21:54:56 and still remain useful Aug 22 21:55:36 probably. and the probably come shoot you if you modify anything to do with the radio in your phone Aug 22 21:56:38 Define useful Aug 22 21:56:49 1cm^3 is quite achievable Aug 22 21:58:13 http://www.ti.com/product/cc1100e - for example Aug 22 21:58:43 i need to acheive about 1 mile range Aug 22 21:59:09 i think teh UHF transmitter can sit in teh ISM band Aug 22 21:59:14 it only needs to be 1 way Aug 22 21:59:37 i guess the antenna becomes the big issue Aug 22 21:59:39 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30 Aug 22 21:59:59 rule #3 Aug 22 22:01:00 mru. thanks. Aug 22 22:01:35 usefulness(#beagle) > usefulness(google) Aug 22 22:01:38 mru: it is starting to scare me i can reference 26+26 like 5 times a day here :) Aug 22 22:02:16 usefulness is only very loosely defined Aug 22 22:02:33 i ordered 4 differnet wifi usb dongles Aug 22 22:02:44 different sizes? Aug 22 22:02:44 and i'm going to have a play and see how well they work Aug 22 22:02:53 differnet brands Aug 22 22:03:02 entertainment is useful Aug 22 22:03:09 one has an stub antenna Aug 22 22:03:15 that isn't nice Aug 22 22:03:21 a couple are those nano ones with no antenna Aug 22 22:06:12 work well next to router Aug 22 22:09:10 What for. Aug 22 22:09:29 Over in #highaltitude - we're playing with 433/10mW and getting 500km+ range Aug 22 22:13:28 wifi dongles near the floor behind a metal chassis do not do well for range. Aug 22 22:14:19 then we have the interfering walls, ceilings, floors, other objects and bodies in the signal path. Aug 22 22:15:50 SpeedEvil: telemetry? Aug 22 22:16:16 yes. Aug 22 22:16:24 50bps FSK GPS Aug 22 22:16:41 apples and oranges Aug 22 22:16:45 Line of sight is awesome Aug 22 22:16:48 Quite. Aug 22 22:16:58 shannon's theorem is awesome Aug 22 22:17:06 I don't know what mrpackethead is trying to do. Aug 22 22:17:12 I maybe need to read backscroll Aug 22 22:18:02 yeah, it is a little vague Aug 22 22:18:24 heh, seen in a french text: un limerick (poème humoristique anglophone) Aug 22 22:18:35 I read the mention of uhf but went straight to microwave Aug 22 22:42:46 Russ: it is definitely the resume side problem. suspend -> about 98% drop in power usage. attempt to resume brings it back to 25% power usage (100% = value presuspend) Aug 22 22:53:54 * mranostay dances in Aug 22 22:55:08 http://youtu.be/FG1NrQYXjLU Aug 22 23:24:09 * georgem_home triple back flips in brandishing a razor sharp katana Aug 22 23:26:04 * mranostay shoots georgem_home Aug 22 23:26:28 * mru mentions the monty python self defence class Aug 22 23:26:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc Aug 22 23:27:32 same idea Aug 22 23:31:44 haha, got my new phone for $15. it has a touch screen but its sooo low resolution that the soft keyboard only has old style numerical text entry Aug 22 23:32:31 why did you get such a shitty phone? Aug 22 23:32:50 because im a cheap ass bastard Aug 22 23:33:06 * mranostay thinks bradfa has been topped Aug 22 23:33:14 $99 for phone + one year of service Aug 22 23:34:13 unlimited phone usage? Aug 22 23:34:53 no. I'm in front of a linux box most of the time when I'm not sleeping so why would I pay for something like that when I have broadband internet access Aug 22 23:35:09 I currently have 800 minutes left of 300 Aug 22 23:35:17 no, I don't get it either Aug 22 23:35:24 800 of 300 Aug 22 23:35:59 ? Aug 22 23:36:02 exactly Aug 22 23:36:28 I rarely use more than 20 minutes anyway Aug 22 23:36:34 me either Aug 22 23:36:46 300 is the lowest you can get Aug 22 23:38:03 most of my bills tend to be roaming crap Aug 22 23:41:25 mine is prepaid through a ghetto carrier called tracfone. you can't get any android phones through them and they all have custom firmware so you can't get an android phone on to their service at least without committing a felony. Aug 22 23:42:04 uses AT&T network so coverage is quite good Aug 22 23:42:58 oops. typing fail Aug 22 23:43:51 * mru would not use such a carrier Aug 22 23:45:24 at&t network coverage sucks Aug 22 23:45:51 american cell networks suck Aug 22 23:45:51 didn't trac phone also roam onto verizon? Aug 22 23:45:57 yeah... I don't like it. but the cheapest alternative is about $40 a month and at 12 months that works out to be about a 480% premium vs what Im paying. Aug 22 23:46:24 I pay £10 per month Aug 22 23:46:29 that's $16 Aug 22 23:46:40 you're in europe. that doesn't count. Aug 22 23:46:42 eh? Aug 22 23:46:49 I pay $10 for 12months Aug 22 23:47:07 $10 for 12 months? Aug 22 23:47:08 the £10 includes calls, sms, and data Aug 22 23:47:14 yep Aug 22 23:47:31 what country? Aug 22 23:47:39 US Aug 22 23:48:09 *does not compute* Aug 22 23:48:19 trac phone is expensive compared to others Aug 22 23:48:26 what are you using? Aug 22 23:48:34 TMO prepaid Aug 22 23:48:40 but I barely use it Aug 22 23:48:57 what does it cost to use it? Aug 22 23:49:03 $0.25/min Aug 22 23:49:21 and data? Aug 22 23:49:24 no data Aug 22 23:49:28 thats cool though. no days of service restriction Aug 22 23:49:30 prepaid data is hard to find in the US Aug 22 23:49:39 didn't know that Aug 22 23:49:49 ds2: so you don't have data? Aug 22 23:49:55 if you want to use it a bit more, $100 gets you a year on AT&T Aug 22 23:50:06 I have freedom pop. Free 500MiB data per month Aug 22 23:50:08 mru: no, I have other plans for that..business vs other use Aug 22 23:50:25 http://www.freedompop.com/ Aug 22 23:50:30 then we're not comparing equivalents Aug 22 23:51:23 mru: you sound like you're getting a pretty good deal Aug 22 23:52:03 mru: not saying it is equiv. Aug 22 23:52:03 roaming costs are of course added Aug 22 23:52:14 frequently more than doubles the bill Aug 22 23:52:18 roaming has pretty much gone away here Aug 22 23:52:30 eh, you're not leaving the country Aug 22 23:52:36 oh............. Aug 22 23:52:41 thats a different story Aug 22 23:52:52 how much of that $16 is taxes? Aug 22 23:53:07 there's 20% VAT Aug 22 23:53:28 georgem_home: I'm talking about roaming outside the uk Aug 22 23:53:50 they're doing away with roaming within the eu actually Aug 22 23:54:17 that'll be nice Aug 22 23:54:22 mru: ah yeah... using your phone outside of the country is pretty much unthinkable for anyone in the US unless they have an unlocked phone and get a new SIM Aug 22 23:54:40 mru: does that include places in europe but not in the eu? Aug 22 23:54:54 I'm not sure exactly what's included Aug 22 23:55:00 it's EU regulations Aug 22 23:55:11 which may or may not include EEA members not in the EU Aug 22 23:55:53 those are approximately switzerland and norway Aug 22 23:57:18 where does iceland fall? Aug 22 23:57:26 My wife has a Nexus S and I want to switch it to a different carrier but in doing so I'd be commiting a felony. Aug 22 23:58:48 iceland is not eu Aug 22 23:58:56 probably part of something or other though Aug 22 23:59:03 but I never go there anyway Aug 22 23:59:25 georgem_home: Phone your carrier, and ask to unlock it Aug 22 23:59:43 why do you buy locked phones? Aug 23 00:00:16 We didn't buy it, got it for free when my friend upgraded to an HTC one Aug 23 00:00:32 there's no such thing as a free phone Aug 23 00:00:40 in the long run, lock phones are more expensive Aug 23 00:01:51 mru lifeline in the us gives out 250minutes and a crappy phone to people that are indigent Aug 23 00:02:10 although everyone else pays for it Aug 23 00:04:06 thurgood: is there an income qualification or something? Aug 23 00:04:24 obamaphone? Aug 23 00:04:29 yes, that's the indigent part Aug 23 00:04:41 yeah Aug 23 00:27:43 ok, wifi is out Aug 23 00:27:50 client said. Nup Aug 23 00:27:51 :-) Aug 23 00:30:16 calling the radio gurus Aug 23 00:30:20 ka6sox: you here Aug 23 00:30:32 I so hate autoconf and libtools so very very very much Aug 23 00:32:30 mrpackethead, ya, I'm here... Aug 23 00:32:57 i'm goign to have one of these - http://www.motorolasolutions.com/web/Business/Products/Two-way%20Radios/Mobile%20Radios/Wide%20Area%20Large%20Business%20Mobile%20Radios/PM400/_Documents/_Static%20Files/PM400_Specification_Sheet.pdf Aug 23 00:33:08 Motorrola PM400 Aug 23 00:33:26 that will be broadcasting a "audio signal" continously Aug 23 00:33:36 i know that it is ok, to do that, as well do it now Aug 23 00:33:53 we currnetly recive the signal using another one Aug 23 00:34:02 however it never gets used as a TX Aug 23 00:34:24 what i'm looking for is a much much smaller receiver Aug 23 00:34:29 receiver only. Aug 23 00:35:27 does such a thing exisit Aug 23 00:35:57 wht band does it work on? Aug 23 00:36:09 438-470Mhz Aug 23 00:36:17 is that a GMRS radio? Aug 23 00:36:39 not sure Aug 23 00:36:51 what i know is that today, our client uses them Aug 23 00:37:03 we currnently get an audio feed out of one Aug 23 00:37:07 and feed it into our device Aug 23 00:37:24 but for a new applicaiton, space/weight/power is signficnatly reduced Aug 23 00:37:41 and lugging a 25W transceiver is'nt fesible. Aug 23 00:37:51 and seing i only need to RX Aug 23 00:38:14 mrpackethead whats the range on those ? looks similar to somethign we used to use when i worked on cell phone sites Aug 23 00:38:30 oh, at 25W, they go a long long way Aug 23 00:38:44 yeah so like 10+ miles . . . Aug 23 00:38:48 for my applciaton, i'm less than .5Mile Aug 23 00:38:55 depends on terrain Aug 23 00:39:20 well you may not want to hear this but 802.11g could do that easily Aug 23 00:39:30 mrpackethead, orly? Aug 23 00:39:32 yes, i knwo that Aug 23 00:39:32 geeze Aug 23 00:39:39 but. that is *not* an option Aug 23 00:39:48 theres several reasons why Aug 23 00:39:51 roger. Aug 23 00:40:03 A guy at work has 5 antenna on his car, I suppose I need to yield to him in the geekdom realm, eh? Aug 23 00:40:12 significnat risk of interferance from other wifi Aug 23 00:40:22 not to mention easily hackable Aug 23 00:40:33 lots of reasons why i could think of not to use it Aug 23 00:43:01 mrpackethead, okay what is the bandwidth of the audio you are trying to send? Aug 23 00:48:33 I wonder if this would work http://greatcarvehicleelectronics893.blogspot.com/2013/07/radius-cp200-uhf-438-470-mhz-4channels.html Aug 23 00:48:45 everythign else i see is rackmount hence huge Aug 23 00:48:56 ka6sox: Aug 23 00:48:57 < 3khz Aug 23 00:57:42 hey guys Aug 23 00:58:15 arrrggggg Aug 23 00:58:25 heisenbug in resume Aug 23 00:58:35 and .5miles? Aug 23 00:58:42 easy peasy.... Aug 23 00:58:45 if its LOS Aug 23 00:58:51 i'm starting a smart glasses development and i'm looking to use beagle as a starting point Aug 23 00:59:09 Bladers: what kind of optics? Aug 23 00:59:45 Russ: ping Aug 23 01:01:01 ds2, what do u mean by what kind of optics? Aug 23 01:01:21 ... Aug 23 01:01:22 Bladers: guess i should ask - what do you mean by smart glass? Aug 23 01:01:30 hey ds2 Aug 23 01:01:45 my next2 branch isn't working under 3.2 it seems Aug 23 01:02:00 Russ: you might find this amusing - I can get resume to work if I have jtag attached to the A8 and if I break and resume it :D Aug 23 01:02:21 I tried all the different versions and none of them work Aug 23 01:02:33 unless I do this jtag craziness Aug 23 01:02:37 even 0x181? Aug 23 01:02:44 0x181? Aug 23 01:02:50 ds2, augment reality glasses like "google glass" for example. Aug 23 01:02:55 hmmm I might have a build problem then. they all report 0x25 Aug 23 01:03:04 Bladers: don't those require optics? Aug 23 01:03:36 so ka6sox, does it seem viable? Aug 23 01:03:42 Russ: do you know if 0xd0860354 is an address in SRAM (as seen by the kernel)? Aug 23 01:04:47 doesn't look like a phys addr Aug 23 01:05:01 mru: I donno off hand where SRAM gets mapped to Aug 23 01:05:08 ds2, not really. it can be used with or without. Aug 23 01:05:21 looking for the mapping right now Aug 23 01:05:28 dk has a lot of modules! Aug 23 01:05:39 ds2: is it fixed? Aug 23 01:05:48 if you meant optics as in the glass frame. then its not necessary. if you meant prism. then yes Aug 23 01:05:52 mru: I think so Aug 23 01:05:58 mrpackethead, yes Aug 23 01:06:15 probably cost like....$100 to make that happen Aug 23 01:06:20 ka6sox: might jsut be a matter of working through it Aug 23 01:06:24 $100 is accepatble Aug 23 01:07:44 compared to that other system...you can say that again Aug 23 01:07:53 that includes 2 radios and antennas Aug 23 01:08:44 ka6sox: which system? Aug 23 01:08:48 where you refering to Aug 23 01:09:08 that motorola radio... Aug 23 01:09:16 got to be $500 if its a penny Aug 23 01:09:27 the Pm400 Aug 23 01:09:31 those are > $1500 each Aug 23 01:09:39 see... Aug 23 01:09:48 tis 'spensive Aug 23 01:09:51 brb Aug 23 01:09:56 and wil use one for the tx Aug 23 01:09:56 must get dinner Aug 23 01:09:58 works fine Aug 23 01:10:02 just need to find a sutiable rx Aug 23 01:10:08 hmmm htat comes as all 0's Aug 23 01:10:21 make me wonder if the MMU is in a bad state Aug 23 01:10:23 brb...dindin Aug 23 01:12:03 ds2, 0x181 is AM335xPSP_04.06.00.11 Aug 23 01:16:10 Russ: just checked, it is reporting as 0x25, rebuilding with explicit rm of any am3*.bin.* in firmware Aug 23 01:20:53 0x181 does the same thing Aug 23 01:21:07 somehow jtag is changing things :/ Aug 23 01:22:59 hello all. I have a few questions about the beagle black...can it stream a usb camera and audio? Aug 23 01:24:09 well... its not a raspberry pi so chances are good it can Aug 23 01:24:49 wonder if it is rom there Aug 23 01:26:32 i have a usb camera with built in mic.. and i'm wondering if I can access the microphone Aug 23 01:26:37 I out did myself again, I surrender Aug 23 01:37:01 nick__: i'm guessing a debian or ubuntu install would let it as long as you could normally in those os'ss'ss. Aug 23 01:52:08 https://plus.google.com/100682328592273955298/posts/hfoHQkouCnz Aug 23 02:00:46 * mranostay is back Aug 23 02:15:04 hello mranostay Aug 23 02:33:08 Hey I just came up with a really good idea for a product based around the beaglebone, is it hard to become a reseller and buy BBB's wholesale? Aug 23 02:34:04 Fuzai, there is a proceedure Aug 23 02:34:26 Is there any kind of restrictions? Aug 23 02:34:35 like what? Aug 23 02:34:37 export? Aug 23 02:34:43 anything really Aug 23 02:34:58 Honestly it's the first time i've considered selling a product on the internet Aug 23 02:35:05 i'm usually administration / software Aug 23 02:35:11 * mranostay drags prpplague in Aug 23 02:35:39 Fuzai: how many do you wnat to buy? Aug 23 02:35:52 you'd need to buy 10k+ Aug 23 02:35:56 ok Aug 23 02:36:11 that's the number I would have to shoot for to get them in wholesale Aug 23 02:36:20 Fuzai: no it is not hard to become a distributor Aug 23 02:36:26 Is there any way to pull a JFFS2 image out of a MTD? Aug 23 02:36:27 adn your margins would be small Aug 23 02:36:28 Honestly I have no idea how many of these would sell, but I did some research last night and I already have like 10 sold Aug 23 02:36:33 hmmmm Aug 23 02:36:36 Fuzai: you can contact bob@circuitco.com Aug 23 02:36:37 10.. mmm Aug 23 02:36:40 ty :) Aug 23 02:36:50 i bough 400 in one order Aug 23 02:36:55 nice Aug 23 02:36:58 I'm not there yet Aug 23 02:37:18 Fuzai, theres easier ways to make money Aug 23 02:37:25 but I figured if I have requests for 10 of these boards already and I haven't even tried to sell them yet then I should really consider what I have here Aug 23 02:37:37 I'm not about money, i'm more about love and innovation Aug 23 02:37:54 yeah, but you could end up loosing money doing it Aug 23 02:37:58 but what about export laws? Aug 23 02:38:05 is there anything i should know? Aug 23 02:38:17 the BBB is not an easy end user product to support Aug 23 02:38:32 why is that? Aug 23 02:39:13 have you read the mailing lists? Aug 23 02:39:27 there are hundreds of people asking things that they expect you to answer Aug 23 02:39:32 and will blame you for Aug 23 02:39:36 but its not your fault Aug 23 02:39:42 Oh I get all that Aug 23 02:39:50 i'm not new to software development or system administration Aug 23 02:40:28 I've come up with a real simple internet idea that can really benefit businesses Aug 23 02:40:35 right, so you can handle 10,000 users? Aug 23 02:40:40 all coming at you Aug 23 02:40:43 mmm Aug 23 02:40:45 good luck Aug 23 02:40:58 I used to run an irc network about 10 years ago with 12.5k users at it's peak Aug 23 02:41:15 Right now I handle about 50 customers for one of my software projects Aug 23 02:41:25 la la beer, chocolate, FRIDAY.. Jihad Aug 23 02:42:27 i'm not saying i'm someone special, but I think this would work because of how simple it is in idea Aug 23 02:43:44 I've got an embedded device that I want to get it's rootfs out of. I'm having a hell of a time figuring how to make a copy of it. Anyone want to point me in the right direction? Aug 23 02:44:47 mount it read only and tar it to a nfs share? Aug 23 02:47:37 It's a JFFS2 image inside the MTD. I haven't figured out how to mount it so I can see the JFFS2 image for a copy like that. Aug 23 02:48:25 Any time I mount the MTD I just get the extracted file system. Aug 23 02:55:34 Hello, god evening Aug 23 02:55:56 yes ? Aug 23 02:56:09 I'm about to acquire a Beaglebone Black in my home country, Argentina Aug 23 02:56:56 cpmgrats ? Aug 23 02:56:57 the distributor could not confirm me about the maxi size allowed for the microSD card, and I could not find that information by myself Aug 23 02:57:02 congrats even. Aug 23 02:57:46 hmmm standy works Aug 23 02:57:47 could you please confirm the size of the microSD card I should use with the BBB? Aug 23 02:57:53 FedeR ask Gerald on the beagleboard google groups, but what size did yo uhave in mind ? I hear 32GB works and I *know* 16GB works first hand Aug 23 02:58:41 FedeR would be better to ask Gerald on the groups or look at circuitco's accessory pages for known working stuff Aug 23 02:58:51 great! I already have a 16GB microSD, so I will use it....those kind of components are expensive here Aug 23 02:59:06 how much ? Aug 23 02:59:12 and I was trying to avoid purchasing a new one Aug 23 02:59:23 you'll hate me for saying this we paid $9.99 each for two Aug 23 02:59:47 in my home town $200 pesos argentinos aprox Aug 23 02:59:55 whats that in USD ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 23 02:59:59 2013