**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 23 02:59:59 2013
Aug 23 03:00:13 <FedeR> US dollars $35
Aug 23 03:00:33 <FedeR> $9.99 each? no way!
Aug 23 03:00:37 <FedeR> amazing
Aug 23 03:00:42 <m_billybob> yeah
Aug 23 03:00:51 <m_billybob> so conversion you pay ~$36 USD
Aug 23 03:00:58 <FedeR> yep
Aug 23 03:01:03 <m_billybob> oh you answered i looked it up "
Aug 23 03:01:20 <m_billybob> yeah that is kind of expensive
Aug 23 03:01:36 <m_billybob> this is one good thign about living in the US
Aug 23 03:01:44 <m_billybob> we've got other "issues"
Aug 23 03:01:52 <FedeR> yes, so we here should be very carefull when designing our toys :-)
Aug 23 03:01:56 <ThersiT> What did the BB cost??
Aug 23 03:02:06 <m_billybob> $45 plus shipping
Aug 23 03:02:16 <m_billybob> maybe $50 each shipping included
Aug 23 03:02:48 <FedeR> pesos argentinos $525, which equals US Dollars 93.75
Aug 23 03:02:55 <m_billybob> yeah thats a shame
Aug 23 03:03:02 <ThersiT> Wow.
Aug 23 03:03:14 <m_billybob> roughly the same in a lot of european countries too form what i understand
Aug 23 03:03:22 <m_billybob> from*
Aug 23 03:03:45 <ThersiT> Yea that's no good.
Aug 23 03:04:13 <m_billybob> FedeR if it makes yo ufeel any better though its worth it IMHO
Aug 23 03:04:29 <FedeR> yes!
Aug 23 03:04:39 <ThersiT> Oh yes, I love mine.
Aug 23 03:05:39 <FedeR> in a few days I will be playing with mine!
Aug 23 03:05:45 <FedeR> I have to go now,
Aug 23 03:05:48 <FedeR>  I really appreciate your help
Aug 23 03:05:50 <m_billybob> just dont go blind ;)
Aug 23 03:05:51 <FedeR> thanks!
Aug 23 03:05:55 <m_billybob> no problem
Aug 23 03:07:23 <m_billybob> So, i youtube search "how to SMS text via PC" and the very first next hit is "how to make a vacuum cannon" - go figure
Aug 23 03:08:22 <lazyPower> https://mail.google.com/mail/help/intl/en_ke/sms.html
Aug 23 03:09:00 <m_billybob> textdrop.com <-----
Aug 23 03:10:21 <drpenguin> hello. I am trying to debug my Beaglebone black over serial. I have my serial to USB cable plugged into it, and have a serial console open when I boot it. When it boots, I just get 7 or so C characters. Is there a way for me to be able to see over serial what is going on during boot? the unit isnt booting and I am trying to figure out why
Aug 23 03:10:38 <m_billybob> lazyPower hmm odd i dont have that feature on my gmail account page
Aug 23 03:11:19 <m_billybob> drpenguin soundsl ike you have the serial debug interface misconfigured on the PC end
Aug 23 03:11:25 <m_billybob> what are your settings ?
Aug 23 03:11:54 <drpenguin> m_billybob: 115200 Baud, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity or flow control
Aug 23 03:12:29 <drpenguin> I thought C's meant your settings were OK and lower y diaresis meant they were wrong
Aug 23 03:12:35 <m_billybob> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3oca40vrH-g/Ubd5TjD-0_I/AAAAAAAAALU/-GibZBaTvKk/s1024/beaglebone-black-serial.jpg
Aug 23 03:12:41 <m_billybob> it is 3v3 ttl ?
Aug 23 03:12:52 <m_billybob> also that picture is for you just in case
Aug 23 03:13:24 <drpenguin> I am using this: http://www.adafruit.com/products/954
Aug 23 03:13:55 <m_billybob> looks right
Aug 23 03:13:55 <mranostay> hi m_billybob
Aug 23 03:14:00 <m_billybob> hi mranostay
Aug 23 03:14:16 <mranostay> what is on tap, tonight?
Aug 23 03:14:22 <ds2> Budlight!
Aug 23 03:14:29 <drpenguin> One other useful tidbit, when I plug my bbb into my computer, it is on for a little bit, but then I notice the device detaches and reattaches. Also, more C's print. so it looks like the bbb fails to boot (which I know) and then reboots
Aug 23 03:14:31 <m_billybob> water / arizona tea
Aug 23 03:14:49 <mranostay> russian water?
Aug 23 03:14:51 <drpenguin> So, I am wondering if its getting to uboot, going through all the boot options, fails to find a bootable device, and resets the unit
Aug 23 03:14:55 <m_billybob> RO
Aug 23 03:15:06 <m_billybob> ( reverse osmosis on tap here )
Aug 23 03:15:22 <m_billybob> drpenguin how are youbooting ?
Aug 23 03:15:34 <m_billybob> stock image on the BBB or did you try somethign different ?
Aug 23 03:15:41 <drpenguin> m_billybob: off the emmc. I am trying to port an OS I have to it
Aug 23 03:16:11 <m_billybob> do you have your uEnv.txt params to put up on pastebin for me to look over ?
Aug 23 03:16:38 <drpenguin> I do yes, I basically took the /boot partition of a debian wheezy for the bbb and put that into my image
Aug 23 03:16:51 <m_billybob> which guide are you following
Aug 23 03:17:00 <drpenguin> m_billybob: *points at his head*
Aug 23 03:17:11 <m_billybob> ok here let me link you to mine
Aug 23 03:17:29 <m_billybob> http://www.embeddedhobbyist.com/
Aug 23 03:17:30 <drpenguin> I *naively* figured I could take the components that mattered, like the kernel uimage, uboot, MLO, and combine that with my rootfs
Aug 23 03:17:32 <m_billybob> so
Aug 23 03:17:38 <m_billybob> before reading anythign there
Aug 23 03:17:58 <m_billybob> the USB boot guide should give yo uthe best understanding of how all the files works
Aug 23 03:18:19 <m_billybob> im mostly proud of that one, the netboot is/was correct, but very log winded
Aug 23 03:18:29 <m_billybob> long winded
Aug 23 03:18:56 <m_billybob> but in the meantime if you could put your uEnv.txt file content on pastebin ill have a looksee
Aug 23 03:18:57 <drpenguin> I just wish I could see some actual output on the serial line, if I could see the problem I Could fix it
Aug 23 03:19:13 <drpenguin> ok, ill see if I can (somehow).. I think I have a Linux VM so I can mount my image on loopback
Aug 23 03:19:23 <m_billybob> okie
Aug 23 03:20:06 <m_billybob> mranostay yeah giving the liver / kidneys a break . . .
Aug 23 03:20:31 <m_billybob> ive been at it for the last 3 weeks, not gettign shitty but drinking beer, / wine, or hard stuff every day
Aug 23 03:20:44 <drpenguin> m_billybob: http://pastebin.com/EMfG0uiB , this is a working uEnv.txt that like I said, took from Debian Wheezy that I know works
Aug 23 03:21:04 <m_billybob> is that from Roberts instructions or armhf's ?
Aug 23 03:21:14 <drpenguin> armhfs I think
Aug 23 03:21:39 <m_billybob> ok, are yo uadverse to building uboot and the kernel from source ?
Aug 23 03:22:05 <m_billybob> it takes a bit of downloading, and compile time ( total of roughly half a day or more )
Aug 23 03:22:11 <drpenguin> Absolutely not, and I have machines powerful enough to build the kernel in short time, but, and I dont mean to sound rude or ignorant, but do we really need to go that far?
Aug 23 03:22:29 <drpenguin> HUH? half a day? I could build a kernel for ubuntu x86 default configuration in 30 minutes
Aug 23 03:22:33 <m_billybob> no you dont but i have no clue how well armhfs images work
Aug 23 03:22:42 <drpenguin> OH WAIT.. you are talking about native compile.. Id cross compile the thing
Aug 23 03:22:58 <m_billybob> i know for a fact that Roberts build from sources images works, and i *assume* his prebuilt images work just as well
Aug 23 03:23:08 <m_billybob> no no i cros compile too
Aug 23 03:23:11 <drpenguin> well, the image I took my stuff from I have used on the bbb and I know it works
Aug 23 03:23:13 <m_billybob> only way to go
Aug 23 03:23:22 <drpenguin> oh ok
Aug 23 03:23:30 <m_billybob> but here
Aug 23 03:23:44 <m_billybob> http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black
Aug 23 03:24:06 <m_billybob> if nothign else that uEnv.txt file on that page should work out of the box, unless you have files in different locations
Aug 23 03:24:09 <drpenguin> wel heres a question since you bring up armhf, my OS ISNT armhf, but armel
Aug 23 03:24:18 <m_billybob> but its also a good guide as to how things work etc
Aug 23 03:24:34 <m_billybob> ah so pre 3.8.x ?
Aug 23 03:25:14 <drpenguin> Yeah, but, the core system shouldnt have to be armhf, if your system can do it you can intertwine (to a degree) armhf and armel binaries
Aug 23 03:25:19 <m_billybob> drpenguin ok let me back up, this is for the beaglebone black ?
Aug 23 03:25:24 <drpenguin> yes it is
Aug 23 03:25:53 <m_billybob> ok i dont know much about armel except i do know what it is sort of
Aug 23 03:26:01 <m_billybob> soft float basically
Aug 23 03:26:16 <drpenguin> We can abstract the differences between armel and armhf to that for the sake of this discussion, yes
Aug 23 03:26:24 <ds2> ah ha!
Aug 23 03:26:32 <ds2> MUSB rears its ugly head again
Aug 23 03:26:35 <drpenguin> Now, there are some armhf systems that I am aware of that do not like armel bins
Aug 23 03:26:58 <m_billybob> so you're tryign to move some already made code to your platform id assume
Aug 23 03:26:59 <drpenguin> You know what I could do just as a joke.. I have a bootable debian sd card.. Ill boot off that and chroot into my install, see if I can execute stuff
Aug 23 03:27:06 <drpenguin> Exactly
Aug 23 03:27:29 <m_billybob> well already made executables but yeah . . .
Aug 23 03:27:52 <drpenguin> I basically smashed my rootfs into debian wheezy for bbb's uimage and uboot
Aug 23 03:28:19 <m_billybob> drpenguin, well i might try to port, that is in your shoes, but i honestly havent a clue as to what you're doing exactly
Aug 23 03:28:39 <drpenguin> trying to see the boot process over serial ;)
Aug 23 03:28:47 <m_billybob> if you're willing to go armel id have to assume it would be a major hassle
Aug 23 03:29:43 <m_billybob> this is where i come out of my element unfortunately
Aug 23 03:30:04 <drpenguin> Aha! now I see stuff
Aug 23 03:30:21 <m_billybob> figured yo uwould
Aug 23 03:30:50 <JoePub>  /quit
Aug 23 03:30:59 * m_billybob waves
Aug 23 03:31:02 <m_billybob> too late.
Aug 23 03:31:22 <drpenguin> yeah, it is spitting stuff out now on the serial line when I have my sd card plugged in.. so I am guessing that must mean what I have setup on the emmc is not gouda
Aug 23 03:31:51 <m_billybob> read my usb boot guide and check everythign is in the correct place
Aug 23 03:32:06 <m_billybob> i cover what files you need, and where
Aug 23 03:32:36 <m_billybob> and "where" can be whatever you like as long as uEnv.txt etc knows where to find everything
Aug 23 03:32:54 <drpenguin> YEah definitely, ill do that in a bit, since I am seeing stuff spit out on the line and I have a uboot prompt, I am going to see if I can maybe get some magic workin
Aug 23 03:33:11 <m_billybob> good plan
Aug 23 03:33:41 <drpenguin> What I probably should do first though, is get a boot process off the emmc that looks good
Aug 23 03:34:14 <drpenguin> what is the boot order of these? does it scan the SD slot first and then fall back to the emmc? or does this depend on uEnv.txt
Aug 23 03:34:37 <m_billybob> with no sd card in emmc is the first in the RR i think, but i could be wrong
Aug 23 03:35:19 <drpenguin> Cause what I could do is.. since my SD card has a good uboot and MLO.. I could tell the sd card to try and boot the emmc. if it can boot it, then it is probably either uboot, uEnv.txt, and or MLO in my boot partition on the emmc
Aug 23 03:35:37 <m_billybob> then you'd need
Aug 23 03:35:51 * m_billybob does a quick google search
Aug 23 03:35:53 <mrpackethead> Fuzai: hows "beagle-store.com" going
Aug 23 03:36:08 <Fuzai> ?
Aug 23 03:36:45 <m_billybob> drpenguin to boot emmc with sd card in, you'd need a uEnv.txt file *on* the sd card that loooks like this
Aug 23 03:36:47 <m_billybob> http://spirilis.net/junk/uEnv.txt
Aug 23 03:36:49 <Fuzai> I don't think you really understand what i'm doing
Aug 23 03:37:06 <m_billybob> drpenguin HOWEVER, make sure to backup the old uEnv.txt first
Aug 23 03:37:28 <Fuzai> and you'd think with buying all those parts whosale they would have chippin in a free positive attitude to go with it
Aug 23 03:37:49 <drpenguin> m_billybob: yeah definitely, yeah I Was just looking at my uEnv.txt, it is trying to boot from the sd card first then the emmc
Aug 23 03:38:05 <m_billybob> drpenguin also that uEnv.txt will completely ignore the sd card boot files
Aug 23 03:38:19 <m_billybob> at boot that is
Aug 23 03:38:30 <drpenguin> m_billybob: thats fine, as long as the bbb uses the sdcard for uboot, thats all I need as a debugging step
Aug 23 03:38:49 <m_billybob> then you'll need to modify that
Aug 23 03:39:26 <m_billybob> you can load boot files partially from the sd card
Aug 23 03:39:42 <m_billybob> e.g. uboot i think but hmm ive never done that actually
Aug 23 03:39:57 <m_billybob> ive always loaded uboot *and* the kernel from SD
Aug 23 03:40:14 <m_billybob> or i just netboot, or USB boot
Aug 23 03:40:20 <drpenguin> Why would I need to modify uEnv so it loads uboot at start? doesnt pushing the button on the device near the SD card force the bbb to look at the sdcard for a fat 12 bootable partition, then reads uEnv.txt for the rest?
Aug 23 03:40:48 <m_billybob> you know what ive never had to lol technically what you're saying jibes with what ive read
Aug 23 03:41:11 <drpenguin> well, lets see if it works
Aug 23 03:41:15 <m_billybob> but thats somethign ive never had to do, i dont loike gettting up fom m ychair to press buttons on my BBB 6ft away . . .
Aug 23 03:41:31 <drpenguin> no its cool man, dont have to do anything for me ;)
Aug 23 03:41:57 <m_billybob> good, you're one of those doers . . . nice for a change actually.
Aug 23 03:42:27 <drpenguin> :)
Aug 23 03:44:05 <drpenguin> hmm.. poop, it still booted the sd card.. weird, im going to knock out the uEnv.txt in the boot partition on the emmc to, just incase it used that for some reason
Aug 23 03:44:35 <m_billybob> drpenguin you may consider pinging Robert Nelson on that build from source page( theres a comments section link at the bottom ) or perhaps on the beagleboard groups. I am fairly sure he has an armel image too. Which is to say he has a custom kernel, and the debootstrapped rootfs prerolled
Aug 23 03:45:18 <drpenguin> m_billybob: ok thanks, Ill put that on my todo list, not to sound like I am rejecting your ideas, but for now, before I start changing things, Id like to more just understand what is going on
Aug 23 03:45:23 <drpenguin> if anything, its educational for me :)
Aug 23 03:45:41 <m_billybob> he also has instructions / scripts to let "you" debootstrap if thats your thing as well
Aug 23 03:46:04 <m_billybob> im the same way
Aug 23 03:46:26 <m_billybob> ive actually not had any embedded linux expperience myself until i got my own BBB's here 3 or so months ago
Aug 23 03:46:34 <m_billybob> ive learned a lot and im loving it
Aug 23 03:46:52 <drpenguin> hmm.. looks like that uEnv.txt isnt good, it says bad device specification mmc 1
Aug 23 03:47:09 <m_billybob> whichone ?
Aug 23 03:47:12 <m_billybob> err which one
Aug 23 03:47:13 <drpenguin> th eone you linekd me
Aug 23 03:47:25 <m_billybob> spirlis's ?
Aug 23 03:47:37 <drpenguin> yes
Aug 23 03:47:44 <m_billybob> ok
Aug 23 03:47:56 <m_billybob> ok so just some more hackground
Aug 23 03:48:56 <m_billybob> with uSD inserted uSD becomes /dev/mmcblk0p1 ( boot part ) and /dev/mmcblk0p2 (rootfs)
Aug 23 03:49:11 <drpenguin> yes
Aug 23 03:49:17 <m_billybob> without the uSD inserted the same is true for the emmc
Aug 23 03:49:41 <drpenguin> but, with the emmc in with the uSD, would emmc be mmcblk0 or mmcblk1?
Aug 23 03:49:54 <m_billybob> hmm
Aug 23 03:50:25 <m_billybob> mmcblk1
Aug 23 03:50:35 <drpenguin> looking at my stock uboot, I would agree with that
Aug 23 03:50:42 <drpenguin> uEnv rather
Aug 23 03:50:53 <m_billybob> there is a round robin, i forget where i read it ( sorry )
Aug 23 03:51:01 <drpenguin> no need to apologize
Aug 23 03:51:16 <m_billybob> probably on u-boots docu pages
Aug 23 03:51:27 <drpenguin> Im going to try to talke the emmc stuff from my stoc uEnv and put it into a blank uEnv
Aug 23 03:51:32 <mranostay> u-boot all things!
Aug 23 03:51:38 <drpenguin> DAS BOOT
Aug 23 03:51:49 <m_billybob> love that movie btw
Aug 23 03:52:00 <drpenguin> yes
Aug 23 03:52:44 <m_billybob> i saw it for the first time in german, while living in germany no subtitles . .  i was fairly lost . . .
Aug 23 03:53:22 <m_billybob> ( back in the early 80's )
Aug 23 03:53:52 <m_billybob> drpenguin how is your C ?
Aug 23 03:54:01 <m_billybob> as in how good are you at reading C header files
Aug 23 03:54:32 <drpenguin> m_billybob: I consider C to be my best language
Aug 23 03:54:56 <drpenguin> I would say I am alright, not fantastic, but alright. Hahah reading header files? I read and understood X server header files, if that answers your question
Aug 23 03:55:09 <m_billybob> http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=include/configs/am335x_evm.h;hb=HEAD#l57
Aug 23 03:56:25 <drpenguin> ok I got farther.. I got it to start loading stuff from the emmc, last thing it prints is mmc0 is current device, then prints try 'help'd' twice
Aug 23 03:57:29 <drpenguin> ah.. but now its readying the funky uEnv.txt from the emmc. need to edit that
Aug 23 03:57:44 <m_billybob> ok so thats the general syntax for uEnv.txt environment variables, but of course in C should give yo ua rough idea of how the different boot methods should look in uEnv.txt
Aug 23 03:58:14 <m_billybob> thats one of my main crutches i personally use when writtign a new uEnv.txt file from scratch
Aug 23 03:59:42 <alexneskin> Hello everyone, i'm searching for developer/freelancer to create modified build of angstrom. Is there anyone available for this job?
Aug 23 03:59:52 <m_billybob> took me a week to figure out differnt uEnv.txt environment varibles by studying other peoples files, and finally Robert Nelson linked me to that header file and all my troubles nearly went away
Aug 23 04:00:52 <m_billybob> alexlist most certainly you'll find someone on the beagleboard google groups
Aug 23 04:01:01 <m_billybob> if there is anyone interrested
Aug 23 04:02:07 <drpenguin> ooo! I kinda got it to boot from the emmc!
Aug 23 04:02:18 <m_billybob> where did it stop ?
Aug 23 04:02:30 <drpenguin> a kernel panic, /bin/sh cant open fixrtc
Aug 23 04:03:34 <m_billybob> optargs=fixrtc <--- remove that line from your uEnv.txt or comment it out
Aug 23 04:04:02 <m_billybob> optargs == kernel boot arguments
Aug 23 04:04:24 <drpenguin> SCORE! found my problem!
Aug 23 04:04:33 <drpenguin> Im missing firmware files in /boot
Aug 23 04:04:54 <m_billybob> should be able to move them fro mteh sd card directly over to the emmc
Aug 23 04:05:18 <m_billybob> device tree overlays as far as i know are ABI nuetral
Aug 23 04:05:22 <JimB> Hey! How do I shut off the default bb-black USER LED program. I want to commandeer those LEDs.
Aug 23 04:05:33 <drpenguin> yeah, what I see is: File not found /boot/dtbs/somedtb file, then I see Bad Linux ARM zImage magic, I wanna fix those dtb errors first
Aug 23 04:06:30 <m_billybob> ---> /boot/am335x-boneblack.dtb
Aug 23 04:07:04 <m_billybob> if it dont exist it needs to be there
Aug 23 04:07:25 <drpenguin> they probably dont, let me restore my original uEnv so I can actually boot the sdcard and fix this :D
Aug 23 04:07:41 <m_billybob> okie dokie
Aug 23 04:08:19 <m_billybob> JimB hmm been a while let me se if i can remeber
Aug 23 04:08:38 <drpenguin> Oh wow weird.. I cant get it to boot my sdcard now
Aug 23 04:08:51 <m_billybob> no USR leds comming on ?
Aug 23 04:09:16 <drpenguin> Nope, the serial text indicates it isnt trying to boot the sdcard.. I suppose I could try to force it to load the sdcard
Aug 23 04:09:39 <m_billybob> try removing power then reapply after a couple seconds
Aug 23 04:09:43 <m_billybob> might take more than one try
Aug 23 04:09:55 <drpenguin> k
Aug 23 04:10:18 <ds2> HmmpF PG2.0 stimied again :(
Aug 23 04:10:47 <m_billybob> that could be a potential ground issue. but could be a few things
Aug 23 04:13:29 * mranostay slow dances with ds2 
Aug 23 04:14:37 <m_billybob> JimB so . . . root@arm:~# cd /sys/class/leds
Aug 23 04:15:00 <m_billybob> ls and take a look
Aug 23 04:15:26 <mrpackethead> http://thislinkisnotreal.com/beaglebonegiveawayforfree.html
Aug 23 04:16:02 <mrpackethead> mranostay: Got a new gig for you.  You should start a beaglebone retail shop in Union Square. its the 'in' thing
Aug 23 04:17:52 <m_billybob> JimB then ->  cd beaglebone\:green\:usr0
Aug 23 04:17:55 <m_billybob> ls -al
Aug 23 04:18:01 <m_billybob> note"trigger
Aug 23 04:18:21 <m_billybob> cat trigger
Aug 23 04:18:23 <m_billybob> note the output
Aug 23 04:18:37 <m_billybob> none nand-disk mmc0 mmc1 timer oneshot [heartbeat] backlight gpio cpu0 default-on transient
Aug 23 04:19:23 <m_billybob> root@arm:/sys/class/leds/beaglebone:green:usr0# echo none > trigger
Aug 23 04:19:33 <m_billybob> and observe
Aug 23 04:20:01 <m_billybob> to reinstate . . . echo heartbeat > trigger
Aug 23 04:21:34 <nickz> when connecting beagleboard-xM with JTAG under CCS5.X  ,some registers ,I2C2, can not accss, why?
Aug 23 04:21:59 <m_billybob> sounds like a question best asked on e2e
Aug 23 04:22:45 * m_billybob is not a big fan of Code composer studio <------ sorry TI employees.
Aug 23 04:24:18 <ka6sox> Code Corrupter?
Aug 23 04:24:38 <m_billybob> i just dont like JVM's running on any of my boxen . . .
Aug 23 04:25:51 <m_billybob> nor do i like an IDE that fails to work just because theres a new update availible
Aug 23 04:26:46 <mranostay> vim is all you need my friends and trolls
Aug 23 04:26:58 <m_billybob> sublime text :P
Aug 23 04:27:05 <drpenguin> m_billybob: got it to do SD again, I just reflashed the original image :P
Aug 23 04:27:20 <drpenguin> oh oy vay.. it panicked again >_>;
Aug 23 04:27:27 <m_billybob> eep did you forget to change back the uEnv.txt file ?
Aug 23 04:27:58 <drpenguin> no I did.. but now it has a vanilla image on the sdcard but its still derping up
Aug 23 04:28:20 <nickz> but sometimes debug under CCS is more effective
Aug 23 04:28:33 <m_billybob> drpenguin so and do keep in mind i am not tryign to prod you into a direction you dont want to go . . . im starting to wonder how hard your code would be to port to armhf
Aug 23 04:28:44 <m_billybob> nickz CCS does have some nice features.
Aug 23 04:29:00 <drpenguin> m_billybob: Oh I know.. but im not even worried about that right now, its not booting my sd card, the sdard should work without issue
Aug 23 04:29:04 <mranostay> i code all my C in  hexeditor to be safe
Aug 23 04:29:21 <m_billybob> mranostay perhaps before you time -> edlin ?
Aug 23 04:29:57 <mranostay> anything before 86 is before my time
Aug 23 04:30:03 <m_billybob> lol
Aug 23 04:30:15 <mranostay> and really anything before '00
Aug 23 04:30:55 <m_billybob> I remember Linus in one of his talks talking about how he started out coding.
Aug 23 04:31:04 <m_billybob> *scary*
Aug 23 04:31:26 <m_billybob> he started by hand coding assembly without an assembler
Aug 23 04:33:02 <nickz> does anyone do me a favour ? share ccs example project with me
Aug 23 04:33:33 <JimB> Thanks! Came across http://elinux.org/EBC_Exercise_10_Flashing_an_LED  ; so cpu0 is cpu monitor, disk access in there too?
Aug 23 04:35:30 <mranostay> this is why i drink ^
Aug 23 04:35:35 <drpenguin> m_billybob: worst come to worst, I will just download the stuck factory image and use that for flashing
Aug 23 04:35:55 <drpenguin> stock*
Aug 23 04:37:33 <m_billybob> JimB, mmc i tink its called
Aug 23 04:37:38 <m_billybob> i forget
Aug 23 04:38:02 <m_billybob>  mmc0 mmc1 <----
Aug 23 04:38:14 <m_billybob> not exactly surewhich is which but meh
Aug 23 04:38:29 <m_billybob> might be conditiotnal
Aug 23 04:47:44 <mranostay> jkridner: node dude!
Aug 23 05:13:37 <mranostay> FGPA! and beer! and emeb_mac !
Aug 23 05:13:47 <mrpackethead> lol.
Aug 23 05:14:00 <emeb_mac> fgpa - is that a grade?
Aug 23 05:14:02 <mrpackethead> I am buildign 10 BCC capes
Aug 23 05:14:39 <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: cool - what are we up to now?
Aug 23 05:14:43 * mranostay needs to order the BOM
Aug 23 05:14:56 <mrpackethead> mranostay: you cant' order the bom as per the web page
Aug 23 05:15:00 <mrpackethead> it does'tn exisit.
Aug 23 05:15:02 <mrpackethead> ah
Aug 23 05:15:09 <mranostay> emeb_mac: why could you not make it easy and order form one suppler :)
Aug 23 05:15:11 <mrpackethead> and i think we need to redesign the bcc cape
Aug 23 05:15:27 <emeb_mac> mranostay: so you get practice picking parts. :)
Aug 23 05:15:28 <mranostay> redesign?
Aug 23 05:15:32 <mrpackethead> yup
Aug 23 05:15:43 <mrpackethead> just make it much more diy freindly
Aug 23 05:15:52 <mranostay> crap it is raining agin
Aug 23 05:15:53 <emeb_mac> what do you suggest
Aug 23 05:15:54 <mranostay> *again
Aug 23 05:15:58 <emeb_mac> still
Aug 23 05:16:45 <mrpackethead> got to fix those SO70 parts
Aug 23 05:16:50 <mrpackethead> they are cuasing people greif.
Aug 23 05:17:56 <emeb_mac> true
Aug 23 05:19:43 <mrpackethead> emeb_mac, also we could ditch the EEPROM
Aug 23 05:19:47 <mrpackethead> theres no need for it
Aug 23 05:19:53 <emeb_mac> ya
Aug 23 05:20:02 <emeb_mac> and upgrade to S6!
Aug 23 05:20:09 <mrpackethead> maybe
Aug 23 05:20:10 <emeb_mac> that's all in the plan for the next one.
Aug 23 05:20:11 <mrpackethead> which one
Aug 23 05:20:36 <emeb_mac> the LX9 part
Aug 23 05:21:00 <emeb_mac> it's only a little more $$ than the S3A200 we're using now
Aug 23 05:21:57 <mrpackethead> how many gates
Aug 23 05:21:57 <mrpackethead> ?
Aug 23 05:22:20 <mrpackethead> I'm seriosly contemplating spinning a bealge-clone with an audio interface and FPGA on it
Aug 23 05:22:27 <mrpackethead> single board, point solution
Aug 23 05:22:28 <emeb_mac> more than the current one
Aug 23 05:22:40 <mrpackethead> >>> more or just > more
Aug 23 05:22:43 <emeb_mac> hard to make a direct comparison
Aug 23 05:22:52 <emeb_mac> but let me check...
Aug 23 05:23:32 <mrpackethead> i wished, i'd panelised those pcbs
Aug 23 05:23:50 <mrpackethead> and took an extra few hours to macine pnp them
Aug 23 05:24:05 <mrpackethead> will do next time i thinks.
Aug 23 05:24:47 <emeb_mac> the current xc3s200a has ~4k logic cells
Aug 23 05:25:01 <emeb_mac> the S6LX9 has about 9k, so > 2x
Aug 23 05:25:16 <mrpackethead> 4k?
Aug 23 05:25:17 <emeb_mac> for about $4 more in part cost
Aug 23 05:25:27 <mrpackethead> oh, cells, not gates
Aug 23 05:25:31 <emeb_mac> right
Aug 23 05:26:05 <emeb_mac> plus more I/O, better DSP cores, and true PLLs
Aug 23 05:27:47 <m_billybob> mrpackethead here ya go be the first to make a BTC miner cape -> https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage-subproducts/65nm-asic-bitcoin-mining-chip.html
Aug 23 05:28:23 <anujdeshpande> has anyone tried pybbio on beaglebone black ? doesn't seem to work for me
Aug 23 05:30:00 <m_billybob> anujdeshpande prett ysure someone on the groups has
Aug 23 05:33:34 <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: do you do radio stuff?
Aug 23 05:33:44 <n0Ob> hey guys? im getting error install node i2c.
Aug 23 05:33:51 <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: yes I do
Aug 23 05:34:35 <n0Ob> http://pastebin.com/2PG33YSY
Aug 23 05:35:06 <anujdeshpande> m_billybob: none that i found... it's a 3.2 to 3.8 kernel issue i guess.
Aug 23 05:35:58 * mranostay curses emeb_mac for picking parts with min quantity
Aug 23 05:36:36 <emeb_mac> mranostay: huh? what's got min?
Aug 23 05:38:45 <mrpackethead> which bit do you need mranostay
Aug 23 05:42:42 <mranostay> nm it is silly  stuff
Aug 23 05:42:57 <mranostay> like thick film resistors
Aug 23 05:47:14 <mranostay> like http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Xicon/260-56K-RC/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduiWR56IPt3LnwI3P2eFisYuxyv%252bBpc9F%2fsJneiYmmXXGQ%3d%3d
Aug 23 05:47:40 <mranostay> seems to be the only 0805 5.6k 1/10 watt resistor at  mouser
Aug 23 05:48:04 <Russ> man those are huge
Aug 23 05:48:13 <mranostay> er
Aug 23 05:48:37 <mranostay> 0805 (2012 metric): 2.0 mm × 1.25 mm (0.079 in × 0.049 in). Typical power rating for resistors = 0.125 watt[8]
Aug 23 05:49:34 <mranostay> voltage rating matter here?
Aug 23 05:50:02 <Russ> really only dissipation rating matters
Aug 23 05:50:12 <mranostay> eh?
Aug 23 05:50:23 <Russ> unless you are doing something really strange
Aug 23 05:50:38 <mranostay> yeah  wattage
Aug 23 05:50:47 <Russ> right, the dissipation rating
Aug 23 05:51:00 <mranostay> seems standard 0805 resistors are rated for 50V
Aug 23 05:51:07 <mranostay> which is enough here
Aug 23 05:51:17 * mranostay thinks emeb_mac was paranoid
Aug 23 05:51:30 <Russ> just switch him over to 0402, he'll thank you later
Aug 23 05:51:48 <emeb_mac> mranostay: I used 0805 resistors because that's what I had in my stock
Aug 23 05:51:58 <mranostay> ah just thick film? :)
Aug 23 05:52:04 <emeb_mac> these days I tend to use 0603
Aug 23 05:52:15 <mranostay> conventional would be good enough
Aug 23 05:52:37 <emeb_mac> but generally one doesn't worry too much about power handing / voltage ratings on resistors.
Aug 23 05:53:02 <emeb_mac> mostly they're well able to handle the voltage/power found in low-voltage circuits
Aug 23 05:53:19 <mranostay> yeah unless you are doing geiger counters :)
Aug 23 05:53:20 <emeb_mac> and you don't get much cost benefit from shaving them down to marginal deratings.
Aug 23 05:53:47 <mranostay> 600v does arc if you aren't careful
Aug 23 05:53:48 <emeb_mac> anyway - what's wrong with these? http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/ERJ-6GEYJ562V/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtlubZbdhIBIH%2fX%2fXYrlp18IuF2xXdJdGo%3d
Aug 23 05:54:10 <m_billybob> anujdeshpande, possibly. i have seen talk about pybbio on the beagleboard google groups. I suppose it could have been concernign the white.
Aug 23 05:54:25 <emeb_mac> mranostay: yeah - HV stuff requires more careful design
Aug 23 05:54:36 <mranostay> nothing find alternative sucks at mouser
Aug 23 05:54:51 <mranostay> can i get the fpga there as well?
Aug 23 05:54:55 <emeb_mac> dunno
Aug 23 05:55:00 <m_billybob> root@arm:~# apt-cache search pybbio returns zero results so hmm yeah *searches differently*
Aug 23 05:55:07 <mranostay> digikey sucks
Aug 23 05:55:19 <mranostay> not doing a 50$ order
Aug 23 05:55:29 <emeb_mac> doesn't look like mouser carries raw Xilinx
Aug 23 05:55:37 <ds2> @#$#!#@$!#@!@# PG2.0
Aug 23 05:55:49 <mranostay> bah i see friends on the street
Aug 23 05:56:00 * mranostay leaves #beagle
Aug 23 06:00:16 <anujdeshpande> m_billybob: indeed its about the white. the adafruit-bbio is more promising. they say it works with the new kernel.. trying out that one now
Aug 23 06:02:22 <Russ> ds2, I'm trying stuff on pg1.0 and its not even working for me
Aug 23 06:02:27 <Russ> at least the 3.2 stuff
Aug 23 06:08:25 <alexneskin> guys, can you please suggest tutorial on how to control servo from BBB with HTML interface (like joystick)?
Aug 23 06:08:35 <m_billybob> g'night everyone
Aug 23 06:08:42 <alexneskin> or some instructions
Aug 23 06:13:49 <ds2> Russ: PG1.0 works if I disable the MUSB stuff
Aug 23 06:13:59 <ds2> PG2.0 worked for a while now I cannot reproduce it
Aug 23 06:14:28 <ds2> PG1.0 here means BBW; PG2.0 is BBB
Aug 23 06:14:38 <ds2> problem is PG1.0 also seems to work if I have jtag going
Aug 23 06:14:53 <ds2> almost seems like some HW is not being initialized right
Aug 23 06:15:08 <Russ> ah, musb
Aug 23 06:15:29 <Russ> well I have a pg1.0 and a pg2.0 evm here, so assuming I get it working on the pg1.0, I should on the 2.0
Aug 23 06:15:35 <ds2> I am trying to resist tacking on 14 wires to put a JTAG hreader on it
Aug 23 06:15:37 <Russ> since I haven't had issues with mainline
Aug 23 06:15:44 <ds2> odd
Aug 23 06:15:45 <mrpackethead> mranostay: ask nicely. i have bits that can help
Aug 23 06:15:49 <ds2> I am using the same binaries for both
Aug 23 06:15:59 <ds2> and the TI notes claims this works
Aug 23 06:16:10 <ds2> I wonder if there are some latent stuff in the MLO/U-boot
Aug 23 06:16:29 * Russ turns of musb stuff in .config
Aug 23 06:17:10 <ds2> that is not enough
Aug 23 06:17:15 <Russ> no better luck
Aug 23 06:17:27 <ds2> had to comment out the                 omap_hwmod_idle(usb_oh);
Aug 23 06:17:35 <ds2> and related stuff in pm33xx.c
Aug 23 06:21:09 <Russ> doesn't seem to help me either
Aug 23 06:21:17 <ds2> u doing DS0 or standby?
Aug 23 06:22:13 <ds2> standby sometimes works on the BBB
Aug 23 06:22:22 <ds2> do you have anything plugged into USB?
Aug 23 06:22:44 <Russ> nothing plugged into USB
Aug 23 06:22:45 <Russ> DS0
Aug 23 06:23:29 <ds2> the BBW always has something plugged in
Aug 23 06:23:34 <ds2> wonder if that is the difference
Aug 23 06:24:13 <Russ> dunno, think I'll try downloading a pre-built uImage
Aug 23 06:24:17 <d0mb> hey guys.. im tring to install a toolchain environment.. but im getting error on the test "BlinkUserSpace" ----- http://pastebin.com/4JqDfsaF
Aug 23 06:24:44 <Russ> interesting
Aug 23 06:24:51 <Russ> standby works with touchscreen as a wakeup source
Aug 23 06:24:53 <Russ> but not uart0
Aug 23 06:25:01 <Russ> even if I echo enabled > /sys/class/tty/ttyO0/power/wakeup
Aug 23 06:25:04 <ds2> ooh
Aug 23 06:25:16 <ds2> wonder if there is interrupt mask that is not initialized
Aug 23 06:25:20 <Russ> gpio-key works for standby too
Aug 23 06:29:08 <ds2> getting more convinced something is not initialized
Aug 23 06:29:24 <ds2> it is looking like 1-2% of the time, I can get the kernel to fail to boot at all
Aug 23 06:29:46 <ds2> and another 1-2% of the time, I get a nonstop stream of LCD sync lost error that goes away only on a power cycle
Aug 23 06:29:58 <Russ> I'm not seeing that, but that sounds like a ddr problem
Aug 23 06:30:16 <ds2> I don't hearing that
Aug 23 06:31:04 <ds2> IIRC,one difference between DS0 and standby is DDR goes into retention in DS0, right?
Aug 23 06:31:32 <Russ> no, for standby ddr is in self refresh too
Aug 23 06:31:46 <Russ> PER and MPU turn off during DS0 is things are properly configured
Aug 23 06:32:00 <Russ> er, if things
Aug 23 06:32:06 <ds2> hmmm
Aug 23 06:32:17 <Russ> and a few other details
Aug 23 06:32:37 <ds2> think the sane thing to do is put in a newer MLO/U-boot
Aug 23 06:32:40 <Russ> but basically in standby anything that can cause an interrupt should be able to wake the system
Aug 23 06:32:55 <ds2> interrupt on the A8 or M3?
Aug 23 06:32:58 <Russ> but for ds0, only a specific set of things can wake the system
Aug 23 06:33:05 <Russ> standby, A8, ds0, M3
Aug 23 06:33:20 <ds2> ah
Aug 23 06:33:58 <Russ> er...wait
Aug 23 06:34:20 <ds2> right now I have hacked both the firmware and the kernel to ignore PG2.x/PG1.x differences and they are still different
Aug 23 06:35:21 <ds2> the LCD sync problem was also seen on the BBW which has a known good MLO
Aug 23 06:35:34 <ds2> that'd tend to suggest it is not a DDR problem
Aug 23 06:43:39 <anujdeshpande> d0mb: hello. i'm guessing you are using the userspace arduino project.. right ?
Aug 23 06:59:20 <ds2> ooh... apparently suspending the console can break standby
Aug 23 06:59:34 <ds2> (I been using no_console_suspend)
Aug 23 07:09:42 <Russ> ya, don't use no_console_suspend
Aug 23 07:16:12 <woglinde> gm
Aug 23 07:19:57 <ds2> good thing is I can use an older gcc and build the firmware
Aug 23 07:20:11 <ds2> bad thing is commenting out hte extra PG2.x code doesn't help
Aug 23 07:20:38 <ds2> oh and in standby, only the wake up devices will wake up
Aug 23 07:20:39 <KotH> GOOD MORNING!
Aug 23 07:20:45 <ds2> normal interrupts don't do anything
Aug 23 07:20:58 <Russ> so still no ds0
Aug 23 07:21:02 <ds2> nope
Aug 23 07:21:05 <Russ> wonder what is broke on 3.2
Aug 23 07:21:10 <ds2> is there a fully patched 3.8 tree somewhere?
Aug 23 07:21:40 <Russ> https://github.com/russdill/linux/commits/cpuidle-am33xx-v5
Aug 23 07:21:46 <Russ> (3.11-rc)
Aug 23 07:22:23 <ds2> will old firmware work with that tree?
Aug 23 07:23:08 <Russ> you need the next2 version
Aug 23 07:23:33 <ds2> guess I'll just scrub git logs then
Aug 23 07:23:48 <ds2> there must be something not getting setup
Aug 23 07:23:52 * mranostay square dances with ds2 + Russ 
Aug 23 07:24:06 <Russ> hootenanny?
Aug 23 07:24:10 <ds2> power definitely goes down so DS0 is entered
Aug 23 07:24:26 <mranostay> Russ: @#$@# you!
Aug 23 07:24:31 <mranostay> *ya even
Aug 23 07:24:43 * Russ snags am335x-evm-sdk-bin-06.00.00.00.tar.gz
Aug 23 07:25:04 <woglinde> russ whats in there?
Aug 23 07:25:21 <ds2> sdk 6.x?
Aug 23 07:25:27 <ds2> what kernel is that?
Aug 23 07:25:32 <Russ> 3.2 something
Aug 23 07:25:40 <ds2> thought the 4.x were 3.2?
Aug 23 07:25:41 <mranostay> god it is so old!
Aug 23 07:25:59 <woglinde> mranostay haha
Aug 23 07:26:01 <ds2> okay, clone. scrub the git logs tomorrow
Aug 23 07:26:11 <Russ> right, but my short term goal right now is to get my firmware cleanup branch working on 3.2
Aug 23 07:26:22 <Russ> but I can't even get the stuff that should be working working on 3.2
Aug 23 07:26:38 <woglinde> nice nice kernel vendor world
Aug 23 07:27:00 <Russ> yes, I'd like it to go away
Aug 23 07:28:10 <ds2> ah gotcha
Aug 23 07:28:18 <ds2> right now I'll settle for ANY version :D
Aug 23 07:28:37 <ds2> what's odd is you have different behaviors with the EVM then then bone
Aug 23 07:29:10 <Russ> da faq
Aug 23 07:29:15 <ds2> afaict, the firmware restores what it shuts down so the kernel shouldn't care
Aug 23 07:29:17 <Russ> Error: unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x00000e05).
Aug 23 07:29:45 <ds2> trying to mix evm/bone binaries?
Aug 23 07:29:45 <Russ> where did it even read that kernel from...
Aug 23 07:30:30 <Russ> don't think so
Aug 23 07:31:10 <Russ> ah, its finding a 3.8.13 kernel somewhere...
Aug 23 07:32:01 <Russ> ah, off the filesystem
Aug 23 07:36:30 <dg_> hi
Aug 23 07:37:02 <dg_> I am thinking of installing BeagleBone Black to my car and I was wondering would it be able to work as CD changer..
Aug 23 07:37:35 <dg_> Here is some information on the CDC protocol it would need to use:
Aug 23 07:37:36 <dg_> http://forums.hackaday.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=123
Aug 23 07:37:39 <av500> hard to cram a CD inside
Aug 23 07:37:41 <dg_> http://www.dashwerks.com/misc.orig/websites/www.k9spud.com/vwcdpic/devel/
Aug 23 07:37:43 <av500> maybe if you smash it up
Aug 23 07:38:07 <dg_> no, I'd like to emulate it as a CDC :D
Aug 23 07:38:28 <av500> ah
Aug 23 07:38:29 <av500> sure
Aug 23 07:38:36 <Russ> looks like some basic bit banging
Aug 23 07:38:57 <dg_> but would I still need a separate microcontroller between stereo and BBB or could I connect BBB directly?
Aug 23 07:39:03 <av500> directly
Aug 23 07:39:09 <Russ> sounds like a job for a PRU
Aug 23 07:39:11 <av500> no idea about the timing requierements
Aug 23 07:39:12 <dg_> ok, I am a total n00b when it comes to low level communication.
Aug 23 07:39:29 <Russ> 0: ~650us //represents logic 0 1: ~1.77ms //represents logic 1 S: ~4.57ms //the start bit signifying the start of a 32bit packet
Aug 23 07:39:36 <av500> right
Aug 23 07:39:38 <av500> PRU
Aug 23 07:40:33 * mranostay hears PRU
Aug 23 07:40:42 <mranostay> PRU ALL THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aug 23 07:41:19 <woglinde> hm I would rip the cds
Aug 23 07:41:29 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi closed pull request #57: readme: add CROSS_COMPILE and ARCH flags into kernel make command (3.8...patch-1)  http://git.io/rc53nw
Aug 23 07:41:32 <woglinde> but thats maybee to easy
Aug 23 07:41:47 <av500> woglinde: they are  ripped
Aug 23 07:42:32 <mranostay> PRU!!!!!!!!!!!
Aug 23 07:42:37 <Russ> ds2, with the downloaded binaries, I can do ds0 on pg1.0...
Aug 23 07:44:15 <Russ> and pg.20
Aug 23 07:44:39 <Russ> now at least for me I can isolate what my problem was
Aug 23 07:54:03 <ds2> Russ: evm still?
Aug 23 07:54:13 <Russ> ya
Aug 23 07:54:33 <ds2> is sdk 6.x available for the bone?
Aug 23 07:54:35 * mranostay shakes magic 8 ball
Aug 23 07:54:45 <mranostay> "All signs point to EVM"
Aug 23 07:54:52 <Russ> afaik, things that are made for evm work on bone white
Aug 23 07:55:12 <Russ> u-boot
Aug 23 07:55:22 <ds2> got a link for sdk6?
Aug 23 07:55:27 <Russ> switched to a new u-boot and suspend/resume stopped working
Aug 23 07:55:53 <ds2> Ohhhh
Aug 23 07:56:00 <Russ> http://downloads.ti.com/sitara_linux/esd/AM335xSDK/latest/index_FDS.html
Aug 23 07:56:04 <ds2> I am just using a random u-boot I have handy
Aug 23 07:56:14 * KotH sheakes magic mranostay 
Aug 23 07:56:19 <KotH> "All signs point to left"
Aug 23 07:57:27 <ds2> but that supports my theory that something is not initialized right
Aug 23 07:57:59 <mranostay> all signs point to beer
Aug 23 07:58:10 <Russ> beer would be good
Aug 23 07:58:31 <das> rum would be better
Aug 23 07:59:25 <woglinde> das vodka
Aug 23 08:00:14 <das> woglinde: the simple fact that you have to drink it on ice to make it bareable says it all
Aug 23 08:01:41 <mranostay> prpplague: rum us up!
Aug 23 08:02:06 <mranostay> Mount Gay!
Aug 23 08:02:10 <das> XO
Aug 23 08:02:32 <mranostay> it will turn you gay.... it is that good..
Aug 23 08:02:36 <das> it's pretty good, though very bitter
Aug 23 08:02:58 <woglinde> das drink on ice?
Aug 23 08:03:09 <woglinde> looks like you drunk the cheap shit
Aug 23 08:03:29 <das> woglinde: you don't keep vodka in the freezer ?
Aug 23 08:03:43 <das> I don't drink it anyways, there's sooooo much more to discover in rums
Aug 23 08:03:46 * mranostay doesn't keep hard stuff in his apartment ever
Aug 23 08:03:54 <woglinde> das icecold != on ice
Aug 23 08:04:12 <Russ> mranostay, cat drinks it if you do?
Aug 23 08:04:23 <das> ah yeah
Aug 23 08:04:48 <av500> ...“Breaks from a loop is poor practice and is not allowed in any code. Please see 'Coding Practices' document, 'Loops' on page 23, part 3, paragraph 4.”...
Aug 23 08:05:02 <das> can you goto ?
Aug 23 08:05:11 <av500> ...“While loops are not as efficient as the for..each loop, and should be avoided whenever there is an opportunity to use a for..each loop. Please see 'Coding Practices' document, 'Loops' on page 23, part 2, paragraph 2. PLEASE READ THE CODING PRACTICES DOCUMENTATION.”
Aug 23 08:05:12 <Russ> av500, working for stalin again, eh?
Aug 23 08:05:28 <mranostay> drunk cat?
Aug 23 08:05:39 <Russ> ah, thedailywtf
Aug 23 08:05:39 * mranostay senses a youtube video meme
Aug 23 08:05:54 <mranostay> and several criminal charges
Aug 23 08:06:09 <Russ> #define while(x) for(;x;)
Aug 23 08:06:26 <woglinde> av500 hm break is bad
Aug 23 08:06:58 <das> mkey
Aug 23 08:07:12 <av500> woglinde: breaking bad
Aug 23 08:08:30 <woglinde> av500 I know oh I know
Aug 23 08:08:36 <das> "You have to specify almost one variable"
Aug 23 08:08:37 <das> what ?
Aug 23 08:09:45 <ynezz> registers are cheap
Aug 23 08:10:06 <mranostay> av500: can i wear a "Kiss the Cook" apron to the meth cook?
Aug 23 08:12:09 <av500> sure
Aug 23 08:12:47 <mranostay> av500: well i expect my kiss
Aug 23 08:13:41 <av500> http://theinspirationroom.com/daily/photography/2009/11/breshnev-honecker-kiss.jpg
Aug 23 08:13:50 <av500> we former communists have no issues with that
Aug 23 08:14:26 <mranostay> whoa
Aug 23 08:15:14 <mranostay> av500: i think we should just be friends
Aug 23 08:15:15 <Russ> av500, you have to be more careful, there are young eyes about
Aug 23 08:15:28 <av500> ?
Aug 23 08:15:29 <Russ> how will you possibly explain two men kissing to such young eyes?
Aug 23 08:15:49 <mranostay> how is that not gay?
Aug 23 08:15:51 <av500> I never got an explanation as a kid
Aug 23 08:16:00 <av500> people just did
Aug 23 08:16:02 <Russ> who will explain it to mranostay?
Aug 23 08:16:03 <mranostay> not that is there is anything wrong with that (tm)
Aug 23 08:16:13 <av500> Russ: mranostay is in the US
Aug 23 08:16:23 <av500> no way to explain anything
Aug 23 08:16:26 <das> if it's not a legitimate kiss the body has ways to shut the whole thing down
Aug 23 08:16:39 <mranostay> ok in .gr the hugging was a bit much
Aug 23 08:17:04 <av500> there are cultures that dont even know the concept of personal space :)
Aug 23 08:17:16 <av500> there, dirty dancing was not a hit
Aug 23 08:17:18 <mranostay> yeah i noticed
Aug 23 08:17:46 <woglinde> av500 you should show the picture in russia now
Aug 23 08:17:47 <Russ> http://uploads.neatorama.com/images/posts/642/61/61642/1368311996-0.jpg ?
Aug 23 08:17:51 <mranostay> my .eu friends invade that :)
Aug 23 08:18:06 <woglinde> av500 right before the kreml
Aug 23 08:18:50 <mranostay> ok there is no reason for that!
Aug 23 08:19:14 <av500> mranostay: still want that kiss the cook apron?
Aug 23 08:19:31 <mranostay> no tongue right?
Aug 23 08:21:11 <av500> so coy
Aug 23 08:24:47 <woglinde> lol the bug in usb pm code
Aug 23 08:25:04 <Russ> "oversight"
Aug 23 08:25:17 <mranostay> av500: you have to earn the tongue
Aug 23 08:26:39 <av500> http://linuxgizmos.com/rugged-touchscreen-fleet-computer-runs-android-on-arm-cpu/
Aug 23 08:29:45 <mranostay> hey MRU!!!!! you need to have an  ending % for your quotes datafile to be processed by strfile correctly
Aug 23 08:38:02 * mranostay bikes into sleep
Aug 23 08:38:15 <mru> how silly of it
Aug 23 08:40:00 <mranostay> silly but true
Aug 23 09:20:19 * norbi says hello to everyone with full respect
Aug 23 09:20:41 * KotH says hello to norbi with normal respect
Aug 23 09:21:40 <norbi> hi guys, can you recommend a book for a total beginner, idiot noob like me to start learning embedded linux and beaglebone black? i bought one BBB and i hate searching the internet after tutorials that are incomplete and no reference
Aug 23 09:21:59 <dm8tbr> norbi: yes, there is an oreilly book
Aug 23 09:22:01 <das> linux primer ?
Aug 23 09:22:11 <das> embedded linux primer*
Aug 23 09:22:16 <norbi> dm8tbr: i like oreilly books
Aug 23 09:22:23 <KotH> that's not oreilly if i'm not mistaken
Aug 23 09:22:33 <woglinde> das do you get some money for mentioned it?
Aug 23 09:22:41 <KotH> norbi: do you know linux?
Aug 23 09:23:02 <KotH> norbi: like down to the low level stuff like sysv init and how user space applications interact with the kernel?
Aug 23 09:23:06 <norbi> das: yea but is that good to start with BBB? i have angstrom on it and i would like to buy a book that works with that
Aug 23 09:23:20 <KotH> woglinde: it's a good book
Aug 23 09:23:22 <das> woglinde: I wish
Aug 23 09:23:39 <KotH> woglinde: and afaik still the only one that deals with most aspects of embedded linux
Aug 23 09:24:04 <KotH> at least, i have not seen any better yet
Aug 23 09:24:06 <KotH> :-/
Aug 23 09:24:11 <das> you can check the ToC here: http://www.amazon.com/Embedded-Linux-Primer-Practical-Real-World/dp/0131679848#reader_0131679848
Aug 23 09:24:16 <norbi> KotH: my knowledge is incomplete i have deep knowledge about some things in linux and 0 knowledge about others in linux, learning on the fly and tutorials wont help to have complete knowledge
Aug 23 09:24:25 <woglinde> norbi there is no book directly for angstroem
Aug 23 09:24:29 <norbi> KotH: but i would like to learn also linux and angstrom BBB
Aug 23 09:24:45 <av500> deja vu day?
Aug 23 09:24:54 <KotH> norbi: ok... get yourself a couple of good books on linux system administration from your local library too
Aug 23 09:24:59 <KotH> av500: yes
Aug 23 09:24:59 <av500> norbi: didnt you ask the same question yesterday?
Aug 23 09:25:01 <tony_> hi,all,which pin is the GND pin among the six pins
Aug 23 09:25:07 <woglinde> norbi what excatly ? programming the PRU, programming the kernel, start a program while booting, or userland programming?
Aug 23 09:25:09 <tony_> I use BBB
Aug 23 09:25:10 <av500> the one labeled GND
Aug 23 09:25:20 <av500> in the schematics
Aug 23 09:25:32 <woglinde> av500 its friday
Aug 23 09:25:39 <av500> it always is
Aug 23 09:25:42 <KotH> it's always
Aug 23 09:26:08 <av500> today is a friday friday
Aug 23 09:26:17 <norbi> av500: i did but then i tried to get something from the internet, i mean some forum, description, manual, but it was enough and i decided i want a good book
Aug 23 09:26:34 <av500> hmm
Aug 23 09:26:39 <av500> harry potter maybe?
Aug 23 09:26:44 <av500> I heard that is good
Aug 23 09:26:48 <KotH> lol
Aug 23 09:27:00 <norbi> woglinde: i know C, C++ and i want to create applications
Aug 23 09:27:09 * KotH is more a fan of ursula leguin
Aug 23 09:27:22 <norbi> woglinde: i moved from atmel and pic mcus to arm BBB
Aug 23 09:27:25 <woglinde> norbi than you do not need a book
Aug 23 09:27:30 <norbi> so you can imagine the differences
Aug 23 09:27:37 <av500> ignore the book, just watch the movie
Aug 23 09:28:21 <das> youtub.com/video=become-a-linux-epxert-in 5-hours
Aug 23 09:28:26 <norbi> av500: wich movie? Harry Potter ^^
Aug 23 09:28:50 <woglinde> norbi you should first think about what you want to do and than you can search for informations
Aug 23 09:29:11 <woglinde> all other is to flat
Aug 23 09:29:33 <av500> on the other hand, too much thinking about what to think about is not helping either - I think
Aug 23 09:29:54 <norbi> woglinde: for example im new in linux programming even if i know c and c++, i did it on windows
Aug 23 09:29:56 <norbi> not linux
Aug 23 09:30:05 <av500> norbi: you are fooling yoursself with a quest for a silver bullet
Aug 23 09:30:08 <av500> there is none
Aug 23 09:30:12 <av500> simply start *somewhere*
Aug 23 09:30:26 <norbi> then i want to do UART, PWM, ADC etc etc with BBB and not PIC or AVR
Aug 23 09:30:36 <av500> google it
Aug 23 09:30:43 <av500> thats all been done before
Aug 23 09:30:44 <das> if you don't know what to _do_ you could check hackaday.com for project ideas maybe ?
Aug 23 09:30:47 <av500> and will be done again
Aug 23 09:31:02 <av500> there is no need to waste time here
Aug 23 09:31:19 <norbi> av500: i guess not yours :)
Aug 23 09:31:29 <av500> i'm serious
Aug 23 09:31:30 <das> there's no time wasted if you actually learn stuff
Aug 23 09:31:48 <av500> do anything, but do
Aug 23 09:32:19 <woglinde> norbi av500 is right
Aug 23 09:32:24 <norbi> av500: i did last night with the GPIO and a RIGOL scope tried out the basic stuff, but thats just basic
Aug 23 09:32:32 <av500> good
Aug 23 09:32:59 <norbi> av500: i would like to get startet learning all the good basic stuff to understand what the hack
Aug 23 09:33:05 <norbi> is happening in BBB
Aug 23 09:33:20 <av500> good
Aug 23 09:33:34 <woglinde> uhm start reading the TRM
Aug 23 09:33:42 <woglinde> than come back
Aug 23 09:33:56 <norbi> woglinde: trm?
Aug 23 09:34:39 <av500> woglinde: stop trming
Aug 23 09:34:46 <norbi> i cant find the reference manual
Aug 23 09:35:56 <av500> somebody spru him please
Aug 23 09:36:12 <woglinde> norbi than start reading here
Aug 23 09:36:14 <woglinde> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack
Aug 23 09:36:28 <woglinde> enough for one day
Aug 23 09:36:38 <norbi> http://embeddedcomputer.nl/lanotattachments/download/file/id/3/store/1/ this is what ive found
Aug 23 09:37:12 <norbi> ok thank you everyone
Aug 23 09:37:22 <norbi> thank you for your time
Aug 23 09:37:28 <av500> http://www.ti.com/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?literatureNumber=spruh73h&fileType=pdf
Aug 23 09:37:32 <norbi> btw what is ¨spru¨
Aug 23 09:37:46 <av500> answered before you asked :)
Aug 23 09:38:05 <norbi> >D
Aug 23 09:38:16 <norbi> thank you very much
Aug 23 09:38:42 <norbi> i leave now, i know how iritating is when some beginner is spamming the chat
Aug 23 09:39:01 <av500> no
Aug 23 09:39:06 <norbi> i´ll be back > Arnold Swarzenegger :D
Aug 23 09:39:10 <woglinde> lol
Aug 23 09:39:11 <av500> that not an issue
Aug 23 09:39:23 <KotH> IT'S FRIDAY!
Aug 23 09:39:26 <KotH> that's the issue :)
Aug 23 09:39:30 <norbi> :)
Aug 23 09:39:32 <av500> as said, dont spend to much time planning your quest
Aug 23 09:39:35 <woglinde> norbi you can stay no problem
Aug 23 09:39:38 <KotH> but then.. it is always friday :)
Aug 23 09:39:38 <av500> just start it
Aug 23 09:39:50 <av500> slay dragons as they come along
Aug 23 09:39:55 <woglinde> soup soup
Aug 23 09:39:58 <woglinde> today
Aug 23 09:40:01 <KotH> soup?
Aug 23 09:40:01 <norbi> av500: ^^
Aug 23 09:40:08 <KotH> software of unknown providence?
Aug 23 09:40:15 <av500> KotH: thats like vegetables with water
Aug 23 09:40:23 <woglinde> with bockwurst
Aug 23 09:40:23 <KotH> ah!
Aug 23 09:40:28 <av500> ah
Aug 23 09:40:29 <KotH> omg!
Aug 23 09:40:34 <av500> why spoil a good bockwurst?
Aug 23 09:40:35 <KotH> who would eat bockwurst?
Aug 23 09:40:50 <av500> I would
Aug 23 09:41:08 <av500> KotH: you can have your $10 döner
Aug 23 09:41:26 <woglinde> I wonder if the import them from de
Aug 23 09:41:50 <av500> into Berlin?
Aug 23 09:41:55 <av500> smuggled at night?
Aug 23 09:41:56 <woglinde> no to .ch
Aug 23 09:42:15 <woglinde> because everybody knows berlin is THE doener production place
Aug 23 09:42:46 <KotH> woglinde: i dont want to know what meat they use in berlin
Aug 23 09:43:21 <koen> suprise meat
Aug 23 09:43:30 <av500> you never see fat kids around turkish döner places
Aug 23 09:43:32 <av500> I wonder why
Aug 23 09:43:45 <KotH> av500: simple: a d�ner doesnt make you fat
Aug 23 09:43:52 <koen> av500: they use internet ordering
Aug 23 09:44:03 <KotH> av500: you die of arterisclerosis before you even get fat
Aug 23 09:44:22 <av500> if the döner cost almost nothing, the product is you
Aug 23 09:44:31 <KotH> lol
Aug 23 09:44:56 <dm8tbr> av500: +30dB!
Aug 23 09:44:57 <koen> doner green is people?
Aug 23 09:45:32 <koen> where I grew up most doner places were a front for disorganized crime
Aug 23 09:45:33 <av500> [11:43] <av500> you never see fat kids around turkish döner places
Aug 23 09:46:13 <av500> koen: btw, link to that router thing you are working on?
Aug 23 09:46:20 <av500> it done?
Aug 23 09:46:26 <koen> router thing?
Aug 23 09:46:37 <av500> no?
Aug 23 09:46:43 <av500> where your taps go to die
Aug 23 09:46:51 <koen> ah, a non-network router
Aug 23 09:46:52 <av500> ok, mill
Aug 23 09:47:22 <koen> I have the Z axis running, going to do x&y hopefully this weekend
Aug 23 09:47:55 <woglinde> yum tasty with spiced mustard
Aug 23 09:48:55 <the_dude> still fond of my chipie's
Aug 23 09:49:23 <the_dude> even if i grew up in the east, never got to appreciate doner and everything else
Aug 23 09:49:31 <koen> I finally figured out why the fried fish tasts different here
Aug 23 09:49:45 <koen> the fish monger uses cod, the old one hake
Aug 23 09:49:51 <the_dude> true
Aug 23 09:51:48 <the_dude> 29 degrees today in London, eeesh
Aug 23 09:54:03 <woglinde> no rain?
Aug 23 09:54:30 <KotH> unpossible!
Aug 23 10:37:22 <art_> How can i use BeagleBone Black as a ethernet zero clint terminal ??? Something similar to the HP t410c Smart Zero Client...
Aug 23 10:40:16 <woglinde> what is a zeroi client?
Aug 23 10:40:55 <art_> a device that can act as a terminal
Aug 23 10:40:59 <art_> a mini pc
Aug 23 10:41:20 <art_>  virtual desktop client device
Aug 23 10:41:46 <av500> connect a monitor
Aug 23 10:41:49 <av500> and a keyboard
Aug 23 10:41:50 <av500> and a mouse
Aug 23 10:41:53 <av500> and a network cable
Aug 23 10:42:04 <av500> and run vnc or so
Aug 23 10:42:08 <woglinde> the hp think can connect two monitors
Aug 23 10:42:14 <av500> or any other remote desktop SW
Aug 23 10:42:16 <art_> i only need 1 moniter
Aug 23 10:42:33 <das> hum I did not expect a 4.3" LCD screen and the BBB to work when USB powered, that's neat
Aug 23 10:43:00 <mru> or buy a vt100 on ebay
Aug 23 10:43:18 <art_> can i implement it similar to the N-computing l300 ?
Aug 23 10:43:28 <woglinde> o.O
Aug 23 10:44:20 <av500> art_: It's all SW
Aug 23 10:44:29 <av500> what you can implement we dont knwo
Aug 23 10:44:40 <av500> you can connect monitor and kbd and mouse
Aug 23 10:44:43 <art_> ok...
Aug 23 10:44:48 * ogra_ knows there are LTSP images for the RPi ... not sure anyone made one for the BBB, but i guess it wont be hard
Aug 23 10:45:41 <ogra_> (ask in #ltsp)
Aug 23 10:45:52 <the_dude> you can run remote x on armstrong
Aug 23 10:46:00 <art_> i've been using the arduino, BBB is new for me..
Aug 23 10:46:01 <woglinde> armstrong is cool
Aug 23 10:46:09 <ogra_> its strong
Aug 23 10:46:18 <ogra_> on arms
Aug 23 10:46:32 <mru> can armstrong run on strongarm?
Aug 23 10:46:40 <woglinde> only with doping
Aug 23 10:47:04 <av500> art_: you did a thin client on ardino?
Aug 23 10:47:07 <av500> +u
Aug 23 10:47:10 <art_> no
Aug 23 10:47:18 <art_> i worked on arduinos
Aug 23 10:47:18 <mru> you can't make a transistor w/o doping
Aug 23 10:47:45 <av500> just use a tube
Aug 23 10:47:59 <ogra_> ++
Aug 23 10:50:54 * av500 throws some tubes at ogra_
Aug 23 10:52:19 <av500> ogra_: there, pimp it: http://www.dhgate.com/product/20pcs-tube-shield-for-12ax7-6k4-6a2-or-9/142722541.html#s1-7-1|127479515
Aug 23 10:52:49 <woglinde> pimp my tube
Aug 23 10:52:53 <ogra_> nah, dont hide them !
Aug 23 10:53:23 <av500> ogra_: you have to hide the fact that they are cheap chinese and not NOS :)
Aug 23 10:53:44 <mrpackethead> differnet trolls
Aug 23 10:54:51 <ogra_> av500, lol ... if they are good enough that you cant hear it they are worth to be shown :)
Aug 23 10:56:00 <av500> :)
Aug 23 10:56:26 <av500> ogra_: you got any serious stuff?
Aug 23 10:57:46 <ogra_> nah, only pre-amps ... there is one triode amp i never manage to finish ... mainly because it is supposed to have rally stripes and i cant device for the color
Aug 23 10:57:54 <av500> ha
Aug 23 10:58:33 <av500> you should ask on a mailing list
Aug 23 10:58:46 <ogra_> heh
Aug 23 10:59:00 <ogra_> s/device/decide/ (indeed)
Aug 23 11:00:11 <ogra_> the days where i had much spare time are over until Ubuntu Touch releases i guess ... currently i rather have 16h days , that doesnt leave much for RL
Aug 23 11:02:15 <ogra_> (building a complete phone OS from scratch in 6 months is as sane as expecting to make 32mio with crowdfunding ... )
Aug 23 11:04:37 <av500> OMG this: http://www.dhgate.com/product/1000pcs-lots-9mm-multicolor-metal-eyelet/153329491.html#cps-4-8
Aug 23 11:05:33 <ogra_> heh
Aug 23 11:06:07 <KotH> av500: i always wonder, what you actually were looking for, when you find such stuff
Aug 23 11:06:12 <SpeedEvil> ogra_: Would, before this month, you have said the same if that number were 12 million?
Aug 23 11:06:28 <av500> KotH: I do too
Aug 23 11:06:46 <mrpackethead> KotH: do you only do IRC at work?
Aug 23 11:06:51 <mrpackethead> or on your own time as well
Aug 23 11:07:01 <KotH> mrpackethead: i do 24/7
Aug 23 11:07:05 <KotH> mrpackethead: why?
Aug 23 11:07:51 <ogra_> SpeedEvil, well, it was unlikely that it could make the 32mio, i think the 12 it collected was a good amouont ... and i wouldnt have minded having an arm phone i can compile firefox on as fast as on a mid class  x86 laptop
Aug 23 11:08:19 <av500> ogra_: what cpu did it have?
Aug 23 11:08:23 <av500> or would it have had
Aug 23 11:08:37 <av500> what record breaking CPU to be precise
Aug 23 11:08:38 <mrpackethead> KotH: you know osmehting about radios
Aug 23 11:08:40 <ogra_> i guess we would have gone for some octacore
Aug 23 11:08:41 <mrpackethead> :-)
Aug 23 11:08:46 <av500> ogra_: 4+4?
Aug 23 11:08:51 <ogra_> likely
Aug 23 11:08:53 <av500> so quad A15
Aug 23 11:09:04 <av500> basically an S4
Aug 23 11:09:05 <ogra_> or actual 8 if there would be one on the market
Aug 23 11:09:12 <SpeedEvil> There is an 8 - or will be
Aug 23 11:09:24 <ogra_> well, an s4 in a rectangular htc one case
Aug 23 11:09:40 <ogra_> with 128G SATA SSD and 4G ram :)
Aug 23 11:09:44 <av500> and that compiles firefox in how many days?
Aug 23 11:09:59 <SpeedEvil> the storage is likely to be more of an issue.
Aug 23 11:10:06 <ogra_> dunno, our highbank nodes do FF in 4h now
Aug 23 11:10:17 <mru> 4G won't get you far with firefox
Aug 23 11:10:21 <ogra_> and i would have expected the phone to be in a similar realm
Aug 23 11:10:28 <SpeedEvil> I note that for 4K writes, 95% of cards do not beat 100k/s
Aug 23 11:10:38 <fzombie> anyone else wish their beaglebone had 2 LAN ports?
Aug 23 11:10:43 <KotH> mrpackethead: hmm... what has that do whether i chat from home or not?
Aug 23 11:10:45 <ogra_> mru, swap on SATA SSD will ... and $G is what the average laptop i compared to has
Aug 23 11:10:52 <ogra_> *4G
Aug 23 11:11:02 <av500> I wish mine had 16
Aug 23 11:11:02 <av500> and apony
Aug 23 11:11:02 <av500> a pony
Aug 23 11:11:02 <av500> and a steak sandwich
Aug 23 11:11:04 <KotH> mrpackethead: or to put it differently: you are chatting in riddles
Aug 23 11:11:10 <mru> swap is death
Aug 23 11:11:12 <ogra_> steak sandwich ++
Aug 23 11:11:24 <KotH> mru: swamp is death
Aug 23 11:11:26 <av500> scratch the steak sandwich, I can always fry the pony
Aug 23 11:11:38 <mrpackethead> i'm just wasted for the week
Aug 23 11:11:40 <ogra_> heh
Aug 23 11:11:41 <av500> crowd sourcing anybody?
Aug 23 11:11:42 <KotH> av500: i thought you distilled it?
Aug 23 11:11:42 <mru> I build firefox on my 24G machine
Aug 23 11:11:48 <mrpackethead> i've done 10 days of 14+ hours a day
Aug 23 11:11:50 <fzombie> If I had at least 2 I could use it to host iptables and plop it on a hub use it as a bad ass router
Aug 23 11:11:52 <mrpackethead> and i'm a bit jaded
Aug 23 11:12:01 <av500> fzombie: yes, you could
Aug 23 11:12:11 <ogra_> mru, show me an arm machine with 24G then :)
Aug 23 11:12:15 <KotH> mrpackethead: go, grab mranostay and a beer, then enjoy your weekend!
Aug 23 11:12:17 <mrpackethead> todays fun story on bealge, was teh best question.
Aug 23 11:12:24 <av500> now you are forced to buy a $20 router and run openWRT on it
Aug 23 11:12:31 <mru> ogra_: why does it need to be arm?
Aug 23 11:12:38 <av500> why not a leg
Aug 23 11:12:40 <av500> or a pony
Aug 23 11:12:41 <mrpackethead> " how do i set up a shop to sell beaglebone blacks"
Aug 23 11:12:43 <fzombie> I had that 20$ router but I converted it to a hsmm-mesh node
Aug 23 11:12:46 <ogra_> mru, well, because the edge would have been a phone too :)
Aug 23 11:12:53 <fzombie> now I wish I had a new one but even then they are a bit slow.
Aug 23 11:13:00 <av500> and only arms can make phone calls
Aug 23 11:13:05 <ogra_> and you want the battery to survive a day
Aug 23 11:13:14 <av500> compiling firefox
Aug 23 11:13:21 <SpeedEvil> av500: Err - no
Aug 23 11:13:23 <mru> av500: what is a 'phone call'?
Aug 23 11:13:28 <SpeedEvil> av500: there are quite a lot of intel phones out there
Aug 23 11:13:32 <av500> that explains the $700, the guys that carries the battery
Aug 23 11:13:41 <av500> for you
Aug 23 11:13:43 <SpeedEvil> av500: They are more-or-less comparable with the middle-of-the road AMR
Aug 23 11:13:45 <SpeedEvil> AMR
Aug 23 11:13:46 <ogra_> SpeedEvil, exotes, yeah
Aug 23 11:13:47 <SpeedEvil> ARM
Aug 23 11:13:49 <av500> SpeedEvil: I know
Aug 23 11:14:01 <fzombie> I have about 5 used cellphones and I put custom roms on them all, stripped the phone APK's off them along with some other core stuff, now they are just wifi-linked nodes serving stuff.
Aug 23 11:14:21 <av500> running kanged kernels?
Aug 23 11:14:38 <fzombie> not kang, kang implies non-free and usually stolen
Aug 23 11:14:47 <mru> ogra_: why would you compile firefox on battery?
Aug 23 11:14:54 <ynezz> greenpeace?
Aug 23 11:15:08 <ogra_> mru, i wouldnt, but i would carry the thing as phone around while not compiling FF
Aug 23 11:15:10 <av500> steak piece
Aug 23 11:15:17 <av500> ogra_: right
Aug 23 11:15:25 <KotH> mru: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/167
Aug 23 11:15:31 <ogra_> and i would expect it to last a day at least
Aug 23 11:15:32 <av500> wait honey, let my just finish compiling FF then we can go
Aug 23 11:15:40 <ogra_> haha
Aug 23 11:15:48 <mru> ogra_: does your wife only allow you one computing device?
Aug 23 11:15:54 <mrpackethead> hurt me baby, cross-compile on a ipod-nano
Aug 23 11:16:06 <ogra_> mfmy GF doesnt care, why ?
Aug 23 11:16:19 <ogra_> mru, ^^
Aug 23 11:16:20 <av500> mru: not his wife, his great boss in the spy
Aug 23 11:16:21 <av500> sky
Aug 23 11:16:31 <mrpackethead> my wife has multiple compute devices.
Aug 23 11:16:43 <av500> mrpackethead: converge her!
Aug 23 11:16:50 <mru> ogra_: so get a phone _and_ a computer
Aug 23 11:17:23 <ogra_> mru, well, thats what i have ... but thats not how computing will be in a few years
Aug 23 11:17:33 <mru> says who?
Aug 23 11:17:46 <ogra_> well, look around ...
Aug 23 11:17:47 <mrpackethead> so, im looking for a pre-built narrowband UHF reciver for the 460Mhz band
Aug 23 11:17:50 <ogra_> (not among devs)
Aug 23 11:18:03 <mrpackethead> I need 3khz bandwidth
Aug 23 11:18:09 <mrpackethead> and an analog output
Aug 23 11:18:17 <mru> I'll always be able to put a bigger computer under my desk than in my pocket
Aug 23 11:18:26 <ogra_> people are buying phones ... once the current generation of laptops is dead, will tghey buy laptops again ?
Aug 23 11:18:31 <av500> no
Aug 23 11:18:40 <mrpackethead> we are going back to mainframes
Aug 23 11:18:44 <mru> but non-devs don't build firefox
Aug 23 11:18:47 <ogra_> and once that generation is gone wireless displays might be a standard
Aug 23 11:19:07 <ogra_> and your phone might be way more capable than the edge was designed to run a desktop
Aug 23 11:19:26 <av500> phones will be more capable
Aug 23 11:19:27 <ogra_> or a tv app that drives your tv program or whatever
Aug 23 11:19:34 <mru> I already use both phone and laptop mostly as glorified remote controls
Aug 23 11:19:46 <av500> the wrong assumption is thart people want to run a desktop on them
Aug 23 11:19:57 <ogra_> i belive that the brain of personal computing lives in your pocket some day
Aug 23 11:20:05 <av500> not in the cloud?
Aug 23 11:20:10 <av500> I heard that's rad
Aug 23 11:20:18 <ynezz> no desktop, just chrome with 25 tabs and HD youtube
Aug 23 11:20:23 <ogra_> it will automatically attach to your cars peripherials, wearables or home stuff
Aug 23 11:20:30 <mru> av500: rad-hardened?
Aug 23 11:20:40 <av500> ynezz: yep
Aug 23 11:20:58 <av500> and one of these tabs can even blink a cursor for old people
Aug 23 11:21:26 <ogra_> it might not necessarily need a desktop installed though ... but i belive that convergence will happen ... probably in other ways than mark thinks though :)
Aug 23 11:21:32 <av500> indeed
Aug 23 11:22:01 <av500> ok, time to fry a pony
Aug 23 11:22:03 <mru> ogra_: even if your phone becomes your primary device, you can still have a more powerful server somewhere for heavy tasks
Aug 23 11:22:07 <ogra_> the target he is aiming for with ubuntu is a good base to adapt to other scenarios though
Aug 23 11:22:13 <mru> like building firefox
Aug 23 11:22:21 <ogra_> yeah, indeed
Aug 23 11:22:41 <ynezz> he probably get thrilled by that omap8 video
Aug 23 11:22:50 <ogra_> though since i tend to build stuff natively and i cant afford a calxeda system, it would still be my fastest arm device
Aug 23 11:23:18 <mru> ah, that's where the real issue lies
Aug 23 11:23:28 <ogra_> yeah, it lies in dpkg :)
Aug 23 11:23:57 <KotH> mrpackethead: good luck in finding that
Aug 23 11:24:01 <mru> when will systemd grow a package manager?
Aug 23 11:24:10 <ogra_> heh, ask lennart
Aug 23 11:24:30 <ynezz> insmod apt
Aug 23 11:24:45 <ogra_> nah, wont work
Aug 23 11:24:56 <ogra_> needs modprobe, it needs to pull in the dpkg module
Aug 23 11:25:05 <ogra_> (or rpm)
Aug 23 11:25:06 <suihkulokki> nah, it's fedora so it will modprobe yum
Aug 23 11:25:35 <ynezz> who could imagine bloatbus in kernel 5 years ago?
Aug 23 11:25:47 * ogra_ raises hand
Aug 23 11:25:58 <ogra_> but just because i was there when the idea was born
Aug 23 11:26:06 <ogra_> out of a lot of beer
Aug 23 11:26:13 <KotH> ynezz: bloatbus is in kernel now?
Aug 23 11:26:18 <ogra_> kdbus
Aug 23 11:27:25 <koen> there's also AF_BUS
Aug 23 11:27:31 <KotH> OMG
Aug 23 11:27:40 <KotH> WE ARE ALL DOOMED!
Aug 23 11:28:02 <KotH> BOARD THE SECOND SPACE SHIP! THE SPACE GOAT IS COMMING!
Aug 23 11:28:06 <ynezz> there's still BSD, plan9...
Aug 23 11:28:28 <ynezz> or that hurt
Aug 23 11:28:45 <mru> that's what I told greg kg
Aug 23 11:28:48 <mru> kh
Aug 23 11:32:33 <KotH> and what did he answer?
Aug 23 11:34:07 <mru> he mocked me on g+
Aug 23 11:35:18 <KotH> eh..
Aug 23 11:36:12 <mru> although he did refer to me as 'a kernel developer'
Aug 23 11:36:58 <KotH> i think that's a derogative these days
Aug 23 11:37:49 <mru> could be
Aug 23 11:39:08 <CareBear\> any ideas on where in Reno, NV there might be some beagle hardware?
Aug 23 11:39:51 <mru> have you checked under kennels in the yellow pages?
Aug 23 11:40:03 <CareBear\> too soft
Aug 23 11:40:08 <CareBear\> kthx
Aug 23 11:40:11 <CareBear\> later :)
Aug 23 11:40:26 <KotH> even the noobs are friday today
Aug 23 11:41:00 <mru> KotH: it's friday outside today
Aug 23 11:44:51 <KotH> that might explain a few things
Aug 23 11:47:55 <mru> gah, C gate
Aug 23 11:52:09 <KotH> m�ller c-gte?
Aug 23 11:52:12 <KotH> gate*
Aug 23 11:52:56 <mru> heathrow
Aug 23 11:53:12 <KotH> and that means?
Aug 23 12:07:48 <Crofton|work> mru, I thought you were in Birmingham?
Aug 23 12:10:40 <av500> KotH: at c-gate you have to push the plane yourself
Aug 23 12:19:41 <mru> av500: good thing it's made of plastic
Aug 23 12:24:27 <av500> indeed
Aug 23 13:41:09 <kuldeepdhaka> hey guys.   #diy-vt100 http://github.com/kuldeepdhaka/diy-vt100   this is something that you might be intrested.
Aug 23 13:42:20 <das> who's got an Aeron chair here ?
Aug 23 13:42:29 <das> there's one for 300E near here
Aug 23 13:42:33 <das> I'm considering it
Aug 23 13:45:23 <kuldeepdhaka> its a vt100 build using msp430 and with a beagle board it can be used for building a standalone computer with a terminal
Aug 23 13:46:05 <kuldeepdhaka> (very inexpensive)
Aug 23 13:46:51 <agmlego> What is the point of the msp430? The bone already has a serial terminal on it... ;-P
Aug 23 13:47:32 <cakda> hello every body
Aug 23 13:47:55 <ynezz> agmlego: because he can?
Aug 23 13:48:10 <agmlego> Well, sure.
Aug 23 13:48:18 <agmlego> I was looking for more of an engineering rationale.
Aug 23 13:49:31 <kuldeepdhaka> agmlego: can be used as a replacement for vt100 (as no vt100 anymore , only auctions) :)
Aug 23 13:50:30 <av500> what? no more?
Aug 23 13:50:34 <av500> damn
Aug 23 13:51:06 <agmlego> I know a place where you can get all the VT100s you could ever want.
Aug 23 13:51:39 <kuldeepdhaka> agmlego: where?
Aug 23 13:51:43 <agmlego> But I was not asking about the rationale behind the project as a whole--I was asking specifically what the role of the MSP430 is in the project, given that the bone already has a serial terminal onboard.
Aug 23 13:52:04 <agmlego> kuldeepdhaka: Silicon Alley computer recyclers, Ferndale/Royal Oak, MI.
Aug 23 13:52:32 <av500> agmlego: the msp does the terminal
Aug 23 13:52:36 <av500> it does not use a beagle
Aug 23 13:52:37 <kuldeepdhaka> agmlego: where?
Aug 23 13:52:42 <kuldeepdhaka> msp430 is the emulator (for vt100)
Aug 23 13:52:54 <av500> the beagle is just to hook it to something I guess
Aug 23 13:53:02 <agmlego> Oh, OK.
Aug 23 13:53:23 <agmlego> OK, I misread.
Aug 23 13:53:24 <kuldeepdhaka> it can be used as standalone terminal for computer by using voltage level conversion
Aug 23 13:53:30 <av500> kuldeepdhaka: when you offer schematics, please checkin a PDF too
Aug 23 13:53:37 <av500> not all people have all the CAD SW needed
Aug 23 13:53:43 <agmlego> ^^^
Aug 23 13:53:49 <kuldeepdhaka> svg ?
Aug 23 13:53:53 <av500> oh
Aug 23 13:53:56 <agmlego> PDF preferred.
Aug 23 13:54:08 <av500> I stopped reading after p*
Aug 23 13:54:10 <av500> and yes
Aug 23 13:54:11 <agmlego> SVG is OK, but still a lot of machines cannot do the needful with it.
Aug 23 13:54:18 <av500> pdf is better
Aug 23 13:54:34 <av500> chrome shows that svg in source
Aug 23 13:54:47 <kuldeepdhaka> post script is their
Aug 23 13:54:53 <kuldeepdhaka> .ps
Aug 23 13:55:10 <av500> no xfig?
Aug 23 13:55:12 <av500> :)
Aug 23 13:55:28 <agmlego> Right, so if you have PS, you can make PODF.
Aug 23 13:55:36 <agmlego> Make the PDF, so everyone can see it. ;-P
Aug 23 13:55:41 <kuldeepdhaka> next time, gona place pdf their,  :)
Aug 23 13:55:41 <av500> +1
Aug 23 14:02:35 <kuldeepdhaka> can anyone guide me on Beagle and GNU/Linux development on ARM?   (which one to buy and is cost effective)
Aug 23 14:03:23 <av500> BBB, $45
Aug 23 14:03:36 <av500> how effective that is I cannot say
Aug 23 14:04:11 <kuldeepdhaka> (consider Indian Economy)
Aug 23 14:04:24 <kuldeepdhaka> :p
Aug 23 14:04:43 <cakda> I am using the beagone bone black using the HDMI and download the android on it,but the monitor cant work
Aug 23 14:40:04 <mranostay> ballmer is quitting? who will throw the chairs now?
Aug 23 14:40:39 <av500> at whom?
Aug 23 14:40:47 <av500> he should throw the last chair after himself
Aug 23 14:40:51 <the_dude> m$?
Aug 23 14:40:56 <av500> yes
Aug 23 14:41:13 <the_dude> the dramaa!
Aug 23 14:41:17 <av500> nah
Aug 23 15:10:57 <monzie> I'm confused as to why the gpio base address is 44e1_0800 but the gpio module register addresses are 480x_xxxx
Aug 23 15:26:08 <mru> landed after a go-around
Aug 23 15:28:52 <woglinde> mru welcome back
Aug 23 15:31:23 <wmat> mru: holiday?
Aug 23 15:40:51 <mru> wmat: something like that
Aug 23 15:41:24 <ogra_> short trip ?
Aug 23 15:41:27 <ka6sox> mru, you got 1 attempt and 1 landing for the price of 1 landing...be happy
Aug 23 15:42:23 <mru> heh
Aug 23 15:49:59 <the_dude> aaah, behold the bank holiday weekend
Aug 23 16:17:32 <mranostay> the_dude: why do banks get holidays? :P
Aug 23 16:21:14 * dm8tbr has holidays in his bank account
Aug 23 16:21:25 <dm8tbr> still 14 of them
Aug 23 16:21:30 <woglinde> mranostay ask nasdaq
Aug 23 16:21:38 <woglinde> they had one day holiday
Aug 23 16:29:19 * mranostay pops up the developers video
Aug 23 16:29:33 <mranostay> ah as nutty as i remember :)
Aug 23 16:33:16 <mranostay> emeb: FPGA! chairs! developers!
Aug 23 16:34:33 <mranostay> what was the context of http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/240
Aug 23 16:37:16 <Alviur> Hi, can anyone say me how to install opencv in anstrong 2012 (beagleboard C3)
Aug 23 16:38:10 <mranostay> opkg install opencv ?
Aug 23 16:40:25 <Alviur> i don't have internet
Aug 23 16:40:51 <Alviur> Do i have to install opencv dependences too?
Aug 23 16:40:53 <woglinde> use usbnet to get internet
Aug 23 16:41:15 <woglinde> when using opkg via network, no
Aug 23 16:41:24 <woglinde> otherwise you have to copy all deps manually
Aug 23 16:41:41 <woglinde> third option is to build an image which includes opencv and flash that
Aug 23 16:45:23 <Alviur> can you say me how to install  dependences  without  internet in anstrong? just opkg?
Aug 23 16:47:46 <woglinde> opkg install bla.ipk
Aug 23 16:47:54 <woglinde> opkg install bla.ipk bla2.ipk
Aug 23 16:48:14 <thurgood> without internet dependencies are a pain in the rear sometimes
Aug 23 16:49:07 <mranostay> heh
Aug 23 16:54:46 <prpplague> http://www.electronicsweekly.com/gadget-master/poll-2/poll-which-development-board-are-you-using-2013-08/
Aug 23 16:56:06 <wmat> ugh, Beagle Board Black :/
Aug 23 16:58:48 <brimestone> hey guys.. im having trouble trying to setup Userspace stuff..
Aug 23 16:59:04 <brimestone> I'm trying to toolchain with Ubuntu Desktop..
Aug 23 16:59:14 <brimestone> either i got the steps right.. or screwed it real bad
Aug 23 17:00:01 <ka6sox> brimestone, be more specific
Aug 23 17:01:51 <brimestone> well instructions says to install toolchain and then download the git Userspace example..
Aug 23 17:02:10 <ka6sox> what instructions?, what userspace?
Aug 23 17:02:22 <brimestone> tried to make "BlinkUserspace" but i get error?  "Unexcpected ")"
Aug 23 17:02:26 <brimestone> wait
Aug 23 17:02:44 <brimestone> http://elinux.org/Userspace_Arduino
Aug 23 17:03:00 <ka6sox> okay now we know what you are asking about.
Aug 23 17:03:13 <brimestone> failed at explaning huh :D
Aug 23 17:05:25 <ka6sox> I'm not familiar with that but if you can wait a bit others who are will be around.
Aug 23 17:08:07 <brimestone> ka6sox: i dont know if that is something i want to get into..  im a n00b and i've dabled with arduino before.. and im like the idea of Beaglebone it runs a full OS
Aug 23 17:09:11 <brimestone> ka6os: my aim is to eventually get a robot that use Gyroscop.. say mpu6050..  ideally something like a Quad Heli.. or RC car at the least..
Aug 23 17:09:36 <brimestone> or a compensated camera Gimbal with Tilt and Roll compensation
Aug 23 17:09:48 <brimestone> but i dont know how to start with BBB
Aug 23 17:10:57 <KotH> install linux ;)
Aug 23 17:11:07 <brimestone> Bonescript has an i2c lib but, it fail at install
Aug 23 17:11:16 <brimestone> Angstrom is linux...
Aug 23 17:11:32 <KotH> do it from scratch
Aug 23 17:11:39 <KotH> you'll learn an awfull lot in the process
Aug 23 17:11:43 <brimestone> which?
Aug 23 17:11:51 <KotH> any linux
Aug 23 17:12:13 <KotH> buildroot might be a good way to start, as it's very very easy
Aug 23 17:12:19 <brimestone> i did dabled with i2cdetect.. but WOW! i'm not sure im ready to be reading manufacturers registry
Aug 23 17:12:39 <KotH> registry?
Aug 23 17:12:44 <KotH> this is not windows
Aug 23 17:12:47 <joel_> koen or anyone, have played with linux -rt tree on bbb?
Aug 23 17:12:48 <KotH> THIS IS SPARTA!
Aug 23 17:13:04 <joel_> hehe. and then you push people into a well of some sort
Aug 23 17:13:25 <KotH> joel_: we get an rt question once a week, mostly indians. so i gues someone has played with that stuff :)
Aug 23 17:13:52 <joel_> hehe...why only indians? maybe some college grads doing some -rt project I guess
Aug 23 17:14:00 <brimestone> i mean register..
Aug 23 17:14:14 <brimestone> 0x68 0x17
Aug 23 17:14:20 <KotH> brimestone: what's so scary about registers?
Aug 23 17:14:21 <brimestone> the 0x17 part...
Aug 23 17:14:36 <KotH> they dont bite... usually
Aug 23 17:14:39 <joel_> KotH, I know -koen had another evil tree based on -rt
Aug 23 17:14:48 <brimestone> nothing i guess, its just..
Aug 23 17:15:22 <KotH> brimestone: man (or women) up! you cant get anything done if you are scared by such small things
Aug 23 17:15:22 <brimestone> for example.. the mpu6050.. i learned how to initiallize the Gyro..  and read values from it..
Aug 23 17:15:39 <joel_> "be a man, do the right thing"
Aug 23 17:15:52 <brimestone> but all the values.. are needing to be interpreted..
Aug 23 17:16:04 <KotH> so?
Aug 23 17:16:19 <KotH> are you afraid of reading books, because all these words are needing to be interpreted?
Aug 23 17:16:20 <brimestone> i mean i get it.. its good to learn on.. but for a hobby, this will take me a life time to get something done
Aug 23 17:16:39 <agmlego> brimestone: It goes way faster than you think.
Aug 23 17:16:45 <agmlego> If you tell yourself you can do it.
Aug 23 17:16:55 <agmlego> If you think it will take a lifetime to learn, it will.
Aug 23 17:17:02 <KotH> yeah.. it goes very fast!
Aug 23 17:17:03 <agmlego> So stop doing that to yourself, and just go do it.
Aug 23 17:17:29 <KotH> look at mranostay! he was just a mere highschool student last year. now he writes kernel code for fun and pleasure at intel
Aug 23 17:17:32 <brimestone> a full time job, a 4 year old kid? isnt an environment easy to squeze time
Aug 23 17:17:55 <joel_> KotH, mranostay has to inadvertently come into the conversation lol :P :)
Aug 23 17:18:06 <agmlego> brimestone: Like all of us are not in similar boats. ;-P
Aug 23 17:18:07 <brimestone> i was hoping for something like a library for python.. or bone
Aug 23 17:18:21 <ka6sox> brimestone, we all have very little time
Aug 23 17:18:27 <joel_> +1 for mranostay
Aug 23 17:18:33 <KotH> brimestone: finding excuses is easy
Aug 23 17:18:36 <KotH> brimestone: do it anyways
Aug 23 17:18:42 <brimestone> how do you guys do it??
Aug 23 17:18:59 <KotH> we just sit down at the computer and start typing
Aug 23 17:19:05 <brimestone> uhuh?
Aug 23 17:19:06 <joel_> KotH, though for fun and pleasure, mranostay messes with livers these days :P ;-)
Aug 23 17:19:13 <agmlego> We are exactly as free or busy as we think we are--a busy person is a useless person, because even when they are lightly loaded, they *feel* busy.
Aug 23 17:19:19 <KotH> joel_: just yours... just yours ;)
Aug 23 17:19:34 <brimestone> any pdf you guy want to push my way..
Aug 23 17:19:42 <joel_> KotH, only because it is in good shape because I don't drink :P
Aug 23 17:19:47 <joel_> *much
Aug 23 17:19:50 <agmlego> brimestone: Pretty much. Make lots of mistakes, read the datasheet a billion times, get it working, move on to the next thing.
Aug 23 17:20:48 <KotH> joel_: yours is not the only one in good shape :)
Aug 23 17:21:07 <ka6sox> KotH, you think Chocolate is going to protect you?
Aug 23 17:21:24 <brimestone> so, C++ is the best way to deal with all this?
Aug 23 17:21:25 <joel_> KotH, I'm not exactly proud of it :P
Aug 23 17:22:02 <brimestone> never took C++ in college? just C
Aug 23 17:22:18 <joel_> another C++ war, yay! I never get tired of this
Aug 23 17:22:26 <joel_> anyway lunch time, bbl
Aug 23 17:22:33 <brimestone> and moved to JS, PHP, jQuery, Bash? etc right away
Aug 23 17:22:43 <agmlego> brimestone: Python works fine too, as does bash, as does (I hear) node.js.
Aug 23 17:22:56 <agmlego> C works too.
Aug 23 17:23:01 <KotH> brimestone: http://attila.kinali.ch/brimestone.pdf
Aug 23 17:23:19 <KotH> ka6sox: chocolate _is_ protecting me
Aug 23 17:23:46 <brimestone> node doesnt work with i2c
Aug 23 17:24:04 <agmlego> OK, fine, *one* example of a whole list I gave does not.
Aug 23 17:24:12 <agmlego> Invalidates my whole argument.
Aug 23 17:24:17 <agmlego> You should give up now.
Aug 23 17:24:23 <agmlego> Everything is wrong forever.
Aug 23 17:24:24 <agmlego> ;-P
Aug 23 17:24:36 <KotH> brimestone: c is the way people work around here ;)
Aug 23 17:24:45 * agmlego uses Python.
Aug 23 17:24:47 <agmlego> ;-P
Aug 23 17:24:50 <KotH> brimestone: c++ is complicating things a lot more than you'd admit
Aug 23 17:24:54 <brimestone> yeah.. i went to Computer engineer with C about 10 years ago
Aug 23 17:25:07 <KotH> agmlego: you're the weird guy around, who nobody wants to talk to
Aug 23 17:25:11 <KotH> ;->
Aug 23 17:25:14 <mranostay> are you guys mocking me?
Aug 23 17:25:14 <agmlego> KotH: Heh.
Aug 23 17:25:21 <agmlego> mranostay: Probably.
Aug 23 17:25:32 <KotH> mranostay: no, we would never mock you!
Aug 23 17:25:41 <m_billybob> KotH except C++ can complicate some things and make other things less complicated.  usually *after* implementation
Aug 23 17:25:50 <KotH> m_billybob: juup
Aug 23 17:26:02 <mranostay> heh
Aug 23 17:26:12 <KotH> m_billybob: but if you are not good at programming, then going to a convoluted OO system like c++ makes things very complicated at first
Aug 23 17:26:12 <m_billybob> from a visual stanpoint i like C better
Aug 23 17:26:31 <m_billybob> meaning i prefer to look at / read through C
Aug 23 17:26:41 <KotH> m_billybob: on the other hand, i would never write a gui system in c, it's just not worth the effort
Aug 23 17:26:52 <m_billybob> never tried
Aug 23 17:27:25 <KotH> OO is a good way to map a GUI to code. you can do that in c, but it gets tedious very quickly
Aug 23 17:28:07 <ka6sox> KotH, whats OO?
Aug 23 17:28:18 <KotH> ka6sox: object oriented programming
Aug 23 17:28:28 <m_billybob> well you can practise OO habits in any language though
Aug 23 17:28:47 <KotH> yes...
Aug 23 17:28:48 <mranostay> even with nodejs? :P
Aug 23 17:29:00 <KotH> but doing OO in TI-85 is... difficult at best :)
Aug 23 17:29:13 <m_billybob> *any* language and node.js is not a language.
Aug 23 17:29:26 <KotH> but node.js is a technology!
Aug 23 17:29:34 <m_billybob> yeap
Aug 23 17:29:37 <mranostay> bad ass rock star tech
Aug 23 17:29:39 <KotH> like the sliced bread and the warp drive!
Aug 23 17:29:50 <m_billybob> id venture to say its a framework in library but heh whatever
Aug 23 17:29:58 <m_billybob> in == or
Aug 23 17:30:00 <mranostay> why was sliced bread such a great invention?
Aug 23 17:30:17 <m_billybob> mranostay PBJ's thats why !
Aug 23 17:30:18 <woglinde> mranostay yes
Aug 23 17:30:25 <KotH> mranostay: ask your fellow usians...
Aug 23 17:30:36 <KotH> mranostay: europeans do not understand what's so good about sliced bread
Aug 23 17:31:17 <ka6sox> KotH, bloatware
Aug 23 17:31:31 <KotH> ka6sox: what? sliced bread?
Aug 23 17:31:38 <ka6sox> OOP
Aug 23 17:31:43 <KotH> lol
Aug 23 17:31:53 <KotH> yes, it makes creating bloat a lot easier
Aug 23 17:32:04 <KotH> but then, people are "programming" in js
Aug 23 17:32:09 <mranostay> if it can't be done in 6502 assembly it isn't worth doing
Aug 23 17:32:23 <KotH> or build big memory leaking webapps that need daily restarts in python
Aug 23 17:32:33 <KotH> yes, sir mdp!
Aug 23 17:33:13 <ka6sox> okay, time to do some of that work thing...
Aug 23 17:33:21 <KotH> have fun!
Aug 23 17:35:59 <woglinde> gn ka6sox
Aug 23 17:38:06 <m_billybob> i prefer the spagetti vs lesuagna analogy
Aug 23 17:38:19 <KotH> it's called lasagne ^^'
Aug 23 17:38:31 <m_billybob> layers versus stringy mess
Aug 23 17:38:32 <KotH> and spaghetti ^^'
Aug 23 17:38:49 <m_billybob> is this #beagle, or #english101 ?
Aug 23 17:38:53 <m_billybob> :P
Aug 23 17:39:01 <KotH> it's #italian4usians
Aug 23 17:39:09 <KotH> ;->
Aug 23 17:39:41 <m_billybob> two words i rarely use and cbf'd to spell check ;)
Aug 23 17:39:51 <m_billybob> you got the meaning.
Aug 23 17:39:51 <KotH> you rarly use?
Aug 23 17:39:59 <KotH> what do you call spaghetti and lasagne then?
Aug 23 17:40:07 <KotH> that stringy and that layery thing?
Aug 23 17:40:51 <m_billybob> you've never heard of spaghetti code ? and the comparrison of lasagna code instead ?
Aug 23 17:41:22 <KotH> nope, but i eat both regularly
Aug 23 17:41:27 <m_billybob> lol
Aug 23 17:41:50 <KotH> and for true spaghetti code you need line numbers
Aug 23 17:41:52 <m_billybob> spaghetti code == a general mess and all over the place
Aug 23 17:41:56 <Jim_B> Anyone get a cifs mount working on BBB?
Aug 23 17:42:18 <Jim_B> .... angstrom.
Aug 23 17:42:25 <m_billybob> Jim_B have on debian
Aug 23 17:42:38 <m_billybob> Jim_B for ntfs its not even close to worth the effort
Aug 23 17:43:16 <mranostay> KotH: #teamamerica
Aug 23 17:43:36 <m_billybob> i prefer to use NFS to the BBB, kind of the same but in reverse, and a ton faster
Aug 23 17:44:22 <Yuvaraj> hai
Aug 23 17:44:28 <Yuvaraj> hi all
Aug 23 17:44:43 * mranostay waits for it
Aug 23 17:44:45 <Jim_B> Want to give BBB buku disk space for devel, have a Win7 mach, don't have NFS server.
Aug 23 17:45:02 <m_billybob> Jim_B use virtualbox with debian on it
Aug 23 17:45:08 <m_billybob> or whichever distro yo uprefer
Aug 23 17:45:36 <Jim_B> Hmmm... have a SUSE VM ...
Aug 23 17:45:52 <Jim_B> ... VMWare player...
Aug 23 17:46:17 <KotH> mranostay: #teamJIHAD!
Aug 23 17:46:43 <Jim_B> So your BBB serves NFS?
Aug 23 17:47:01 <mranostay> priv msgs and then leaves fun fun
Aug 23 17:47:05 <m_billybob> Jim_B my setup is roughly this. I have a debian whezzy vm for cross compiling ( kernel and drivers ) whcih also runs tftp and NFS servers. I boot from this VM too, and it makes it very easy to move files around from one system to the next, making backups of the rootfs etc.
Aug 23 17:47:19 <mranostay> i thought you had to have a registered nick to priv msg
Aug 23 17:47:29 <KotH> nope
Aug 23 17:47:51 <KotH> afaik you have to have a registred nick to pmsg someone you are not in the same channel with
Aug 23 17:47:51 <mranostay> is that a option i can set from  nickserv or chanserv?
Aug 23 17:47:51 <m_billybob> wheezy but yeah
Aug 23 17:48:08 <m_billybob> mranostay believe so yes
Aug 23 17:48:11 <Jim_B> Intruiging...
Aug 23 17:48:30 <Guest31147> Anyone know what kind of circuitboard is being used for the Beagleboard black?
Aug 23 17:48:32 <KotH> mranostay: just set an ignore for pmsgs from people using the web interface
Aug 23 17:48:42 <m_billybob> Jim_B so i can make all kidns of changes . . . not worry about eating up mmc media, keeep different backups and reinstate on the fly when needed
Aug 23 17:48:47 <KotH> Guest31147: a black one
Aug 23 17:48:54 <Guest31147> Funny guy.
Aug 23 17:48:55 <m_billybob> a 6 layer one ?
Aug 23 17:49:00 <m_billybob> a fiberglas one ?
Aug 23 17:49:08 <KotH> Guest31147: you are the one who started it!
Aug 23 17:49:09 <m_billybob> be more specific. we're not mind readers
Aug 23 17:49:45 <Jim_B> Super-cool.  USB or Eth betwix the two?
Aug 23 17:49:55 <Guest31147> I'm going to build my own minicomputer, but I can't for the life of me figure out what kind of circuitboard I should use.
Aug 23 17:49:59 * KotH reads mranostay's mind... "BEER", "BEER", "BEER"
Aug 23 17:50:00 <m_billybob> ethernet USB g_multi is flaky
Aug 23 17:50:20 <m_billybob> atleast it has been for me
Aug 23 17:50:33 * mranostay should be regreting going out on a weekday
Aug 23 17:50:34 <KotH> Guest31147: if this is a unsurmountable problem for you, then _STOP_
Aug 23 17:50:37 <woglinde> m_billybob yes console and small files no problem
Aug 23 17:50:45 <KotH> Guest31147: you will not succeed in building your own board
Aug 23 17:50:51 <Guest31147> Why not
Aug 23 17:51:03 <KotH> Guest31147: you'll just waste a lot of time and money and it will never work and you will have no clue why it doesnt
Aug 23 17:51:19 <Guest31147> I'm optimistic.
Aug 23 17:51:26 <KotH> i'm realistic
Aug 23 17:51:58 <KotH> i do that kind of stuff for a living, and selecting the "kind of circuit board" (what ever that means) is the least important step of the whole design process
Aug 23 17:52:34 <m_billybob> Guest31147 i have aa buddy who has been an ee for 35 or so years, he is also very good with CAD tools, he spent a week designing his own board, which is to say he had it nearly finished before he realized that it was nearing impossible for him
Aug 23 17:52:39 <m_billybob> so if you dont have thsoe skills .. .
Aug 23 17:52:49 <Guest31147> That may be so, but it's the only one I have an issue with.
Aug 23 17:53:13 <KotH> Guest31147: ok, use a 8 layer FR4 with green solder mask
Aug 23 17:53:50 <Guest31147> If I succeed, I'll let you know. ;)
Aug 23 17:53:52 <KotH> 35um/18um/35um copper and 300um pre-preg, 1.6mm total thickness
Aug 23 17:54:39 <m_billybob> KotH i think the biggest factor for my buddy was the realization that we could not have the mmade for even 4x the price of the BBB
Aug 23 17:55:01 <KotH> m_billybob: yeah.. economy of scale is a bitch!
Aug 23 17:55:03 <m_billybob> PCBAs would probably be around 200-250 complete
Aug 23 17:55:18 * KotH knows
Aug 23 17:55:27 <thurgood_> yeah we have custom boards based of the beagle board and they cost much more than a beagleboard
Aug 23 17:55:41 <KotH> most of the boards we do are >200/pcs, and they are a lot simpler and have cheaper components then the bbb
Aug 23 17:55:59 <KotH> the complicated ones are often near to 500/pcs
Aug 23 17:56:16 <Guest31147> I'm provided with almost all equipment for the board by my school, they just don't have that many circuits
Aug 23 17:56:17 <thurgood_> tried talking the boss into moving the custom parts off and using beagleboard for the rest ... it would save money but he didn't listen
Aug 23 17:56:23 <KotH> and thats not yet accounting for NRE
Aug 23 17:56:30 <m_billybob> wulf, my buddy was comenting to me about the ddr traces . . . it didnt sound like fun to route
Aug 23 17:56:35 <KotH> Guest31147: by your school?
Aug 23 17:56:40 <KotH> Guest31147: are you a high school student?
Aug 23 17:56:47 <Guest31147> Yes
Aug 23 17:56:50 <KotH> oh..
Aug 23 17:56:55 <KotH> now that explains a LOT!
Aug 23 17:57:03 <Guest31147> True.
Aug 23 17:57:15 <KotH> Guest31147: join the club! i've been that full of myself at your age as well :)
Aug 23 17:57:33 <KotH> tried to build a calculator from scratch using an 80C188
Aug 23 17:57:35 <Guest31147> If I make one, may I make fun of you? ;)
Aug 23 17:57:39 <KotH> sure :)
Aug 23 17:57:41 <m_billybob> KotH that why the young get thigns done, because they dont know yet what they can not do ;)
Aug 23 17:57:44 <Guest31147> Hooray!
Aug 23 17:57:52 <KotH> Guest31147: if you succeed, you are officially allowed to make fun of me :)
Aug 23 17:58:04 <KotH> Guest31147: but the board has to be 90% functional!
Aug 23 17:58:11 * mranostay will make fun of KotH anyway
Aug 23 17:58:19 <KotH> mranostay: you do it already
Aug 23 17:58:39 <thurgood_> if you can get past a failed bringup I'll be impressed
Aug 23 17:59:14 <thurgood_> not doubting your skills, just your evaluation of how difficult it really is
Aug 23 17:59:51 <m_billybob> experience has to start from somewhere.
Aug 23 17:59:57 <KotH> Guest31147: get "the circuit designers companion" by tim williams
Aug 23 17:59:58 <m_billybob> migth as well be here.
Aug 23 18:00:00 <thurgood_> very true
Aug 23 18:00:00 <KotH> Guest31147: you will need that
Aug 23 18:00:01 <mranostay> KotH: we don't like your fancy chocolate types around here
Aug 23 18:00:09 <Guest31147> I know it's difficult, hence why I chose it as my project.
Aug 23 18:00:14 <Guest31147> I like getting A's.
Aug 23 18:00:29 <KotH> mranostay: yeah.. i know, i know... but i cannot lower myself to your level of beer and bacon
Aug 23 18:00:44 <thurgood_> mmmm... bacon
Aug 23 18:00:53 <m_billybob> KotH wine and pultry ?
Aug 23 18:00:55 <KotH> Guest31147: that's the right attitude!
Aug 23 18:01:02 <KotH> m_billybob: i'm not french!
Aug 23 18:01:07 <m_billybob> hehehe
Aug 23 18:01:41 <KotH> Guest31147: extra points when you make the pcb yourself in the chemstry lab, as we did :)
Aug 23 18:01:48 <m_billybob> ok gouda, and wtf you guys drink for alcohol over there anyhow ?
Aug 23 18:02:01 <KotH> m_billybob: i dont drink alcohol :)
Aug 23 18:02:10 <m_billybob> probably a smart move
Aug 23 18:02:17 <mranostay> me on the other hand
Aug 23 18:02:18 <KotH> and we have cheese, not this gouda abomination
Aug 23 18:02:20 <Guest31147> Well, I thank you for your help and information. I shall return.
Aug 23 18:02:23 <m_billybob> i waste too much time drinking wine / beer sometimes
Aug 23 18:02:34 <KotH> Guest31147: we will wait for your.... or maybe not ;)
Aug 23 18:02:46 <m_billybob> mostly its the conversation im after though while drinking not the actual drinking
Aug 23 18:03:07 * KotH can discuss quantum physics without drinking 
Aug 23 18:03:26 <m_billybob> quantum physics would make me drink
Aug 23 18:03:37 <KotH> then you should try psychology
Aug 23 18:03:38 <m_billybob> alone even
Aug 23 18:03:39 <KotH> ;)
Aug 23 18:04:05 <m_billybob> im perfectly mentally stable. higher maths is not exactly somethign that does somethign for me
Aug 23 18:04:49 <m_billybob> id be more likely to do what our highschool friend here is rtying to do
Aug 23 18:05:02 <KotH> what counts as higher maths for you?
Aug 23 18:05:26 * KotH does do a lot of "higher maths" to get his electronics right
Aug 23 18:05:33 <m_billybob> calc and higher
Aug 23 18:05:59 <m_billybob> but its not my idea of fun playing with algerbraic equasions all day either
Aug 23 18:06:13 <KotH> oh, that can be a lot of fun :)
Aug 23 18:06:15 <m_billybob> err yeah something like that
Aug 23 18:06:18 <KotH> ok, i know, i'm weird
Aug 23 18:06:32 * KotH munches some chocolate
Aug 23 18:06:33 <m_billybob> no you'renot weird, just different, from me, and thats ok
Aug 23 18:06:49 <KotH> ya rly?
Aug 23 18:06:53 <joel_> everything is math in the end of the day, including computer science
Aug 23 18:06:56 <m_billybob> would be an awefully boring planet . . .
Aug 23 18:07:04 <KotH> good thing you dont knwo what i'm usually reading all day long ;)
Aug 23 18:07:18 <mranostay> joel_: how about beer drinkiing?
Aug 23 18:07:38 <m_billybob> mranostay, total oz's consumed . . .
Aug 23 18:07:45 <m_billybob> per day.
Aug 23 18:07:46 <joel_> and about calculus and signal processing are awesome
Aug 23 18:08:14 <joel_> mranostay, that's math too. how many bottles does it take it to rot your liver?
Aug 23 18:08:25 <m_billybob> heh
Aug 23 18:08:40 <mranostay> your liver doesn't rot
Aug 23 18:08:58 <joel_> who's mine?
Aug 23 18:09:00 <m_billybob> mranostay it can
Aug 23 18:09:07 <m_billybob> necrosis its called
Aug 23 18:09:30 <joel_> mranostay, keep saying that to yourself, and gulping down :-P
Aug 23 18:10:17 <mranostay> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasciolosis  also a parasite called 'liver rot'
Aug 23 18:11:34 <KotH> hmm.. i guess it's allright to uninstall gcc 3.0 these days...
Aug 23 18:11:42 <joel_> mranostay, my grandpa passed away because of drinking. not that I remember any of it as I was a kid
Aug 23 18:11:47 <m_billybob> you think ?
Aug 23 18:12:36 <joel_> mranostay, cheers. back to work, ttyl
Aug 23 18:12:47 <m_billybob> KotH you actually install toolchains ?
Aug 23 18:12:57 * m_billybob jus tdownloads and runs them
Aug 23 18:13:19 <KotH> m_billybob: ofc
Aug 23 18:13:33 <KotH> m_billybob: debian does all the dirty work for me, though
Aug 23 18:14:00 <m_billybob> KotH i uess im not quite skilled enough to install multiple toolchains withotu "colisions"
Aug 23 18:14:16 <m_billybob> i guess*
Aug 23 18:14:18 <KotH> m_billybob: debian does a great job of keeping them apart
Aug 23 18:14:20 <mranostay> gcc 3.0? whoa will that even build a modern kernel?
Aug 23 18:14:27 <KotH> mranostay: no fucking clue...
Aug 23 18:14:38 <m_billybob> KotH mind elaborating a bit further on that ?
Aug 23 18:14:46 <KotH> mranostay: i didnt know it was still installed until the dpkg complained about "errors" in its package description
Aug 23 18:14:47 <m_billybob> mranostay should be c89 compliant
Aug 23 18:15:13 <KotH> m_billybob: debian allows different versions of gcc installe, it even comes with different gcc versions
Aug 23 18:15:26 <KotH> m_billybob: and once one version is installed, it is not removed until you tell debian to do so
Aug 23 18:15:29 <m_billybob> KotH so installed as in apt ? or anythign special needed to do tthis ?
Aug 23 18:15:38 <KotH> yes, apt, nope nothing special
Aug 23 18:15:57 <m_billybob> hmm
Aug 23 18:16:02 <m_billybob> i did not know that
Aug 23 18:16:02 <KotH> they are all native compilers thoug, no cross compiler
Aug 23 18:16:16 <KotH> debian is the mother of all distributions doing things right ;)
Aug 23 18:16:26 <m_billybob> of course im kind of new to cross compiling too. been atit off and on for abotu a year, maybe 1.5 years
Aug 23 18:16:33 <KotH> it has been copied countless times, but none came ever close!
Aug 23 18:16:42 <m_billybob> KotH no need to convince me, this is just anotherreason to use it ;)
Aug 23 18:16:55 <KotH> (just look at the mess RH did with rpm compared to deb... even though deb is older than rpm)
Aug 23 18:17:20 <mranostay> m_billybob: it is a like a bike
Aug 23 18:17:30 <mranostay> s/a/1
Aug 23 18:17:57 <KotH> m_billybob: easiest way to get a cross toolchain is to use crosstool-ng
Aug 23 18:18:04 <m_billybob> mranostay idk im still relatively knew to using cross tools. and not very "old" with gcc in general either
Aug 23 18:18:09 <KotH> m_billybob: builds you the stuff you need and lets you install it in seperate directories
Aug 23 18:18:27 <m_billybob> KotH would you happen to know of a good read on the subject ?
Aug 23 18:19:58 <JoePub> Would the Beaglebone Black be powerful enough to make personal video recorder?
Aug 23 18:19:58 <m_billybob> KotH my work flow has been using wget, into a spcific directory, and then just calling the binaries directly using export paths etc turns out ive ben doign this needlesly i suppose
Aug 23 18:20:06 <Jim_B> m_billybob: do you run Deb on the BBB itself? Angstrom?
Aug 23 18:20:21 <m_billybob> JoePub be a bit more spcific
Aug 23 18:20:38 <m_billybob> Jim_B i run debian on *everything* i run linux on
Aug 23 18:20:47 <joel_> JoePub, there's a camera cape I think
Aug 23 18:21:00 <m_billybob> been using debian off and on since the mid 90's ( ish )
Aug 23 18:21:09 <mranostay> isn't that horribly broken?
Aug 23 18:21:18 <KotH> mranostay: "embedded linux primer"
Aug 23 18:21:20 <KotH> er...
Aug 23 18:21:22 <JoePub> m_billybob: i would like to digital over-the-air record tv shows
Aug 23 18:21:24 <joel_> mranostay, where in mainline?
Aug 23 18:21:24 <KotH> m_billybob: "embedded linux primer"
Aug 23 18:21:25 <m_billybob> JoePub, what is it exactly that you want to do ? at what resolution etc
Aug 23 18:21:30 <KotH> m_billybob: beside that, no
Aug 23 18:21:38 <m_billybob> KotH really ? i have that in dead tree already
Aug 23 18:21:40 <mranostay> joel_: no like i thought it never worked
Aug 23 18:21:43 <KotH> m_billybob: it's actually all pretty obvious once you dive a little bit into it
Aug 23 18:21:56 <joel_> mranostay, no I've seen it work... does quite ok with the frame rate too
Aug 23 18:21:58 <joel_> runs over GPMC
Aug 23 18:22:06 <KotH> m_billybob: and most of it is just a choice of gcc devs, like factoring out libgcc
Aug 23 18:22:20 <KotH> m_billybob: stuff like abi and such are not documented, but you get a hang of it pretty quickly
Aug 23 18:22:24 <joel_> mranostay, wasn't jkridner moustache camera using it?
Aug 23 18:22:38 <m_billybob> KotH well i am still new to linux dev, and linux on embedded etc
Aug 23 18:22:42 <joel_> anyway I did see a camera connected over GPMC working on the BB
Aug 23 18:22:57 <m_billybob> KotH pretty much have abit atleast a general understanding already
Aug 23 18:23:03 <m_billybob> err ABI*
Aug 23 18:23:03 <mranostay> joel_: nope
Aug 23 18:23:05 <KotH> m_billybob: if you dont have it, get "the unix operating system" from bach, and "advanced programming in the unix environment"
Aug 23 18:23:11 <mranostay> he was using a usb webcam
Aug 23 18:23:16 <joel_> ah ok :)
Aug 23 18:23:30 <joel_> mranostay, only thing is I saw it with a 3.2 kernel and not sure whether anyone tried on newer
Aug 23 18:23:44 <joel_> though I'd love to try if I can get a hold of those
Aug 23 18:24:01 <KotH> m_billybob: the first gives you an understanding why unix is so weird as it is, and the second tells you how to use the weirdness effectively to create applications that other peoples would call pure magic
Aug 23 18:24:03 <joel_> and it was non-USB connected on expansion GPMC lines
Aug 23 18:24:42 <m_billybob> KotH everythign is a file, and hmm forget what the embedded linux primer said abotu drivers. i have a hard copy of LDD too
Aug 23 18:24:42 <mranostay> gpmc is totally fscked the last time i heard
Aug 23 18:25:07 <joel_> ah ok :) wonder what all those patches were for....probably never made it
Aug 23 18:25:07 <KotH> mranostay: if you are doing kernel, ldd3 and "understanding the linux kernel" are required readings :)
Aug 23 18:25:11 <m_billybob> i guess ill just have to start reading in depth and not stop until i "get it"
Aug 23 18:25:12 <KotH> argh..
Aug 23 18:25:20 <KotH> mranostay: change your nick!
Aug 23 18:25:25 <KotH> mranostay: i'm chatting with m_billybob!
Aug 23 18:25:31 <joel_> KotH,  and Robert Love's book anyday
Aug 23 18:25:40 <KotH> joel_: didnt like that one...
Aug 23 18:25:49 <joel_> specifics?
Aug 23 18:26:00 <KotH> not anymore, was a long time ago i had a look at it
Aug 23 18:26:07 <m_billybob> mranostay ask ka6sox about it sometime. last i heard he had the gpmc working in a project. but maybe im remembering wrong
Aug 23 18:26:12 <joel_> depends on what you didn't like
Aug 23 18:26:12 <KotH> AFAIK it didnt contain the details i was looking for
Aug 23 18:26:25 <joel_> that narrows it down ;)
Aug 23 18:26:31 <mranostay> KotH: i was here first m_billybob should change
Aug 23 18:26:32 <woglinde> problem is they are outdated as soon as they are printed
Aug 23 18:26:48 <KotH> joel_: as i said, it was a long time ago... probably 7-8 years ago
Aug 23 18:27:09 <m_billybob> well ive been known to be creative and roll with the flow too so as long as the gist is similar i can work with that
Aug 23 18:27:13 <joel_> KotH, yeah ok, I read recent version and it is awesome even from a System dev perspective
Aug 23 18:27:21 <KotH> woglinde: corbet tried to keep a list of changes on lwn for ldd3, but he gave up after two years
Aug 23 18:27:46 <KotH> joel_: oh.. he did a new edition... then i have to have a look at it again
Aug 23 18:29:06 <m_billybob> he did ?
Aug 23 18:29:15 <m_billybob> last ive seen is 3rd edition
Aug 23 18:29:17 <KotH> m_billybob: the problem with ldd3 being outdated is, that its meant as #exactsteps for writing drivers
Aug 23 18:29:28 <m_billybob> yeah i dont need exac steps
Aug 23 18:29:29 <KotH> m_billybob: and it fails at this nowadays
Aug 23 18:29:34 <m_billybob> i need a gistand thats all
Aug 23 18:29:53 <m_billybob> i know there is device tree and that its not covered in the book
Aug 23 18:29:56 <KotH> m_billybob: last i've seen of love's book was the first edition :)
Aug 23 18:30:01 <m_billybob> but it should get me started ? no ?
Aug 23 18:30:15 <joel_> KotH, most of the stuff I care about these days is usually only in Documentation/ ;-)
Aug 23 18:30:31 <KotH> joel_: you are lucky if you can find it there :)
Aug 23 18:30:52 <joel_> heh
Aug 23 18:31:10 <m_billybob> ok so let me ask this
Aug 23 18:31:16 <m_billybob> knowing what yo uall know now
Aug 23 18:31:28 * KotH doesnt know anything substantial
Aug 23 18:31:31 <m_billybob> how would you go about learning to be a kernel dev from scratch ?
Aug 23 18:31:41 <KotH> oh, that's easy to answer
Aug 23 18:31:55 <agmlego> Step 1: cd /scratch
Aug 23 18:32:02 <agmlego> Step2: Become kernel dev.
Aug 23 18:32:13 <KotH> be 18 and in high school again, have too much time at hand, and try to understand how my newly bought computer does the things it does
Aug 23 18:32:20 <agmlego> ^^^^
Aug 23 18:32:26 <m_billybob> lol
Aug 23 18:32:34 <m_billybob> so pretty much what i do now - being 18
Aug 23 18:32:43 <agmlego> And fucking aroudn with it a lot.
Aug 23 18:32:44 <m_billybob> minus being 18 that is
Aug 23 18:33:00 <KotH> that's actually how i starded with computers... with one difference: i got (ie bought) my first computer when i was 19 :)
Aug 23 18:33:34 <m_billybob> i used my first computer at age 13-14 which is to say the early 80's late 70's
Aug 23 18:33:39 <m_billybob> owned my own at 23
Aug 23 18:34:08 <m_billybob> but didnt really start to get serious until the late 90's i guess
Aug 23 18:34:20 * KotH never got serious with computers
Aug 23 18:34:23 <KotH> it's not worth it
Aug 23 18:34:35 <m_billybob> computers are how i stay out of trouble
Aug 23 18:34:35 <_SY_> the weekend has arrived :)
Aug 23 18:34:36 <KotH> i have enough grey hair as it is
Aug 23 18:34:46 <KotH> greetings weekend!
Aug 23 18:35:18 <_SY_> its been a long week
Aug 23 18:35:26 <m_billybob> ive had other hobbies in the past. Ive collected handguns and knives . . .muscle cars was another hobby, and yeah bar / party hopping while technically not a hobby, but spent much time at it
Aug 23 18:35:36 <KotH> yeah.. 5 days of friday can be very tyring
Aug 23 18:36:06 <m_billybob> chasing tail too but . . .who that is a guy doesnt do that?
Aug 23 18:36:11 <_SY_> a lot of my hobbies revolved around the kids :)
Aug 23 18:36:45 <_SY_> warhammer...computer games...shooting
Aug 23 18:37:00 <KotH> all of my hobbies revolve around "figuring out things"
Aug 23 18:37:12 <KotH> and that got me addicted to book :-(
Aug 23 18:37:28 <m_billybob> programming and figurering out the technical details of how something "complicated" works in Linux is kind of a game to me
Aug 23 18:37:36 <_SY_> I've always been into programming
Aug 23 18:37:44 <KotH> _SY_: even as a toddler?
Aug 23 18:37:45 <KotH> wow!
Aug 23 18:37:54 <_SY_> Since 12 ;P
Aug 23 18:38:09 * KotH didnt even know what a computer was, when he was 12 ^^'
Aug 23 18:38:11 <_SY_> 1982
Aug 23 18:38:22 * KotH wasn't 12 in 1982
Aug 23 18:38:38 <_SY_> I was....how old is KotH?
Aug 23 18:38:42 <m_billybob> when i was 12, girls just started to become "interresting" so anythign that wasnt a girl didnt get much of a look
Aug 23 18:38:48 <KotH> KotH is older than mranostay
Aug 23 18:38:53 <KotH> but younger than av500
Aug 23 18:38:55 <m_billybob> i was 17 in 82
Aug 23 18:39:05 <m_billybob> and in the military
Aug 23 18:39:11 <_SY_> best years for music...
Aug 23 18:39:11 * agmlego was -6 in 82.
Aug 23 18:39:13 <KotH> gosh.. you are all methusalems!
Aug 23 18:39:15 <agmlego> I remember it well.
Aug 23 18:39:34 <joel_> agmlego, ehe. /me -4
Aug 23 18:39:43 <KotH> .o0(whippersnappers)
Aug 23 18:39:53 <m_billybob> lol
Aug 23 18:40:45 * agmlego is also not a kernel dev.
Aug 23 18:40:57 * KotH is also not a kernel dev
Aug 23 18:41:01 <m_billybob> im not even close but might like to be there someday
Aug 23 18:41:04 <KotH> doing just software would be too boring ;)
Aug 23 18:41:14 <m_billybob> not for me
Aug 23 18:41:31 <m_billybob> plenty of challenging making things work that no one else has done yet
Aug 23 18:41:36 <_SY_> agree...wouldn't mind having a few months off
Aug 23 18:41:44 <m_billybob> warhammer
Aug 23 18:41:48 <m_billybob> or the next best game
Aug 23 18:42:00 <_SY_> did you play warhammer?
Aug 23 18:42:04 <KotH> m_billybob: how about thinking things, nobody has thought yet?
Aug 23 18:42:06 <_SY_> fantasy or 40K ?
Aug 23 18:42:09 * agmlego needs to get his hands dirty once in a while or he goes stircrazy.
Aug 23 18:42:15 <m_billybob> i need a break thats what ill do. pick up the next best game to play for a week or two
Aug 23 18:42:23 <m_billybob> ive not played warhammer no
Aug 23 18:42:39 <_SY_> I use to find building the models and painting them quite relaxing.
Aug 23 18:43:08 <m_billybob> agmlego thats another aspect, we have 40 acres here, we improve it o na daily basis ... so yeah im not suttign on my butt al lday logn either
Aug 23 18:43:35 <m_billybob> lots of thigns here to keep me busy and i do it all
Aug 23 18:43:58 <_SY_> I'm converting a detached garage at the rear of my house into an office
Aug 23 18:45:06 <m_billybob> right now we have a ~1.5 acre garden, had to go out early and pick beans for an hour or so. kills two birds with one stone. exercise and good food
Aug 23 18:45:30 <_SY_> trying to do as much of it myself as possible, putting in new UPVC windows, doors, insulating walls and floor, putting a pitched roof on.
Aug 23 18:45:33 <m_billybob> ill be glad when those suckers are gone though lol
Aug 23 18:45:51 <m_billybob> too much work picking, and storing
Aug 23 18:47:12 <m_billybob> summer time is always busy here.
Aug 23 18:47:23 <m_billybob> winter time il lactuall have time to play
Aug 23 18:47:34 <joel_> m_billybob, go build a robot around the bbw to do it for you
Aug 23 18:47:57 <m_billybob> but then what would i do for exercise ?
Aug 23 18:47:57 <_SY_> summer seems to have flown by this year, seems like only last week we were coming out of winter.
Aug 23 18:48:20 <joel_> m_billybob, ehe. that's a different problem :P one at a time
Aug 23 18:48:43 * m_billybob doesnt lift weights and would rather do somethign productive for exercise
Aug 23 18:49:37 <mranostay> +1
Aug 23 18:49:40 <mranostay> bike all things!
Aug 23 18:49:53 <m_billybob> did that as a kid
Aug 23 18:49:58 <m_billybob> ran lots too
Aug 23 18:50:24 * mranostay hates running
Aug 23 18:50:47 <m_billybob> ran so much when i took the physical test at the end of basic, i ran 2 miles in 10:42 <--- not bad for a guy just under 6ft tall
Aug 23 18:50:56 <mranostay> of course biking downhill at 40mph is really fun :)
Aug 23 18:51:14 <m_billybob> lol
Aug 23 18:51:18 <m_billybob> beer in handto oright
Aug 23 18:51:23 <m_billybob> too right*
Aug 23 18:52:10 <m_billybob> anyhow i should get reading all this nestalgia . . .
Aug 23 18:52:48 <mranostay> m_billybob: no that would get me a DUI or least open container
Aug 23 18:53:09 <m_billybob> ah right our loverly government would have yo uin chains
Aug 23 18:53:23 <m_billybob> kind of silly but at the sametimei understand
Aug 23 18:53:39 <mranostay> yeah but it shouldn't be as strict
Aug 23 18:53:55 <m_billybob> when i got out of the military there was a news article local about the law trying to give a man a dui for riding a horse . . .
Aug 23 18:53:56 <mranostay> you do need higher reaction times on a bike though
Aug 23 18:54:15 <m_billybob> but they failed  .  . . . ( horse has a mind if its own ) sort of deal
Aug 23 18:54:23 <mranostay> m_billybob: anything on the road that isn't your feet is a vechicle
Aug 23 18:54:46 <m_billybob> horses dont count in california supreme court ruled it that way
Aug 23 18:54:58 <mranostay> of course idaho stops aren't legal in oregon but we do those as well :)
Aug 23 18:55:02 <m_billybob> atleast, back in the 80's maybe its changed
Aug 23 18:55:23 <mranostay> stop signs are always yields :P
Aug 23 18:57:46 <_SY_> have a great weekend all, cya
Aug 23 19:13:55 <m_billybob> "The BeagleBone Black is equipped with 256 MB x 16 DDR3L SDRAM (4 GB), 32 kB EEPROM, and 2 GB eMMC flash as the primary boot source. "
Aug 23 19:14:02 <m_billybob> yeah id say they're off by a bit
Aug 23 19:15:15 <m_billybob> i wouldnt mind 4GB ddr on my bbb though, probably wouldnt know what to do with it all
Aug 23 19:18:16 <joel_> m_billybob,  not that you could add it even if you wanted to, the max for the SoC is 1GB
Aug 23 19:18:48 <joel_> EMIF limit
Aug 23 19:19:50 <ds2> that's what FPGAs and the GPMC is for
Aug 23 19:19:51 <ds2> ;)
Aug 23 19:20:07 <ds2> put in some banked memory a la EMS
Aug 23 19:21:34 <joel_> GPMC doesn't even being to meet the spec for DDR3 ;-)
Aug 23 19:21:43 <joel_> you need the EMIF
Aug 23 19:21:49 <joel_> *begin
Aug 23 19:26:27 <joel_> interestingly ddr3 is even faster than the onchip RAM inside bbb's am335x SoC
Aug 23 19:34:14 <m_billybob> joel_ i quoted that line from EDN though. they got it wrong
Aug 23 19:46:25 <ds2> didn't say it will be fast
Aug 23 20:00:38 <joel_> ds2, true but I didn't know we were talking about going back from ddr3 ;-) has anyone interfaced any ddr to gpmc for that matter?
Aug 23 20:13:30 <joel_> mranostay, this was the camera on gpmc: http://www.quicklogic.com/assets/pdf/data_sheets/QL-GPMC-CAMIF-Connect-Solution-TI-Ref-Design-DS-RevB.pdf
Aug 23 20:14:59 <joel_> ezequielgarcia, hi!
Aug 23 20:15:22 <joel_> ezequielgarcia, looks like we almost have mmc/sd + dma working in mainline
Aug 23 20:15:30 <joel_> patches are going in slowly
Aug 23 20:15:35 <ezequielgarcia> joel_: nice!
Aug 23 20:15:57 <ezequielgarcia> yeah, indeed mainline work is slow in the omap land :/ it's a complex SoC
Aug 23 20:16:18 <joel_> ezequielgarcia, true :)
Aug 23 20:32:46 <nomel> is there documentation anywhere for the gpiochip sysfs interface?
Aug 23 20:33:31 <nomel> i'm interested in the /sys/class/gpio/gpiochip9/power/control
Aug 23 20:36:21 <nomel> hrmm...looks like you can echo "on" to force it on.
Aug 23 21:06:33 <KotH> oh..kay...
Aug 23 21:06:40 <KotH> this system is _old_
Aug 23 21:06:45 <KotH> Description: The Linux dynamic linker and library for libc4 and libc5.
Aug 23 21:06:51 <dnai23> ä7quit
Aug 23 21:07:04 <dnai23> oops
Aug 23 21:17:03 <joel_> mranostay, did you order from oshpark recently? is that 20/per board or 20/per 3 boards?
Aug 23 21:22:36 <mranostay> for 3
Aug 23 21:22:58 <joel_> ok
Aug 23 22:14:12 <joel_> mranostay, beer'ing up on Friday?
Aug 23 22:35:07 <mranostay> obvious joel_
Aug 23 22:35:35 <joel_> :)
Aug 23 22:36:14 <joel_> hmmm
Aug 23 23:01:04 <mranostay> nomel: classy.
Aug 23 23:03:47 <nomel> mranostay: sassy.
Aug 23 23:12:43 <nomel> it irritates me that gpio has a "direction" option. should be "output enable".
Aug 23 23:13:57 <mranostay> why?
Aug 23 23:14:09 <mranostay> you can have a gpio as a in or a out
Aug 23 23:14:44 <ds2> if you want to go there...driver enable is more appropriate
Aug 23 23:17:54 <Russ> ds2, any luck with the other u-boot version?
Aug 23 23:20:18 <ds2> Russ: trying to figure out wtf the BBB isn't recogonizing my uSD card
Aug 23 23:20:41 <ds2> card is formated and used to work fine for an xM
Aug 23 23:21:03 <joel_> only on warm reset or always?
Aug 23 23:21:54 <ds2> always
Aug 23 23:22:02 <ds2> user button doesn't seem to do anything
Aug 23 23:24:00 <nomel> any sysfs gpio debounce support?
Aug 23 23:24:03 <joel_> maybe you can enable #define DEBUG in U-boot and see what the MMC driver is upto
Aug 23 23:24:25 <ds2> no no
Aug 23 23:24:37 <ds2> somehow the ROM is not willing to use the SD card
Aug 23 23:24:53 <ds2> unless the design is so F'ed that the eMMC is always a higher priority then the uSD slot
Aug 23 23:25:04 <Russ> different platforms have different ROMs
Aug 23 23:25:17 <ds2> yes
Aug 23 23:25:19 <Russ> also make sure none of the usd contact pins are bent back
Aug 23 23:25:37 <Russ> its easy for the ones on the bbb to get caught on things
Aug 23 23:25:38 <ds2> u-boot itself can read from the uSD slot just fine. I use that to shuttle kernels around
Aug 23 23:25:43 <ds2> so nothing electrically wrong
Aug 23 23:25:47 <Russ> ah
Aug 23 23:26:12 <Russ> emmc only has higher priority if you aren't pressing the user button
Aug 23 23:26:32 <ds2> either sysboot is F'ed and always setting eMMC to a higher priority or something is wrong with the uSD card. IIRC, it takes the same funny formating as the other chips, right?
Aug 23 23:26:49 <ds2> tried it with the button held down. hold down user. tap reset. count to 5, release user
Aug 23 23:27:00 <ds2> the version of MLO on the SD is different from the eMMC one
Aug 23 23:28:09 <nomel> oh, debounce works for gpio-keys overlays. nice!
Aug 23 23:33:33 <nomel> is there a way to name gpio when you export them?
Aug 23 23:35:19 <nomel> hahah, symbolic link to the "value" entry works.
Aug 23 23:35:35 <nomel> which is better actually. don't want people messing with direction.
Aug 23 23:40:21 <nomel> is there a way to have gpio pins exported at boot, with device tree?
Aug 23 23:40:23 <nomel> or do i need a script?
Aug 23 23:50:40 <ztahenakos> hello, I am porting an OS of mine to the beaglebone, it starts to boot but then the kernel panicks with thi mesage: /bin/sh: can't open fixrtc. What is fixrtc?
Aug 24 01:19:43 <ds2> arrgggggg
Aug 24 01:19:56 <ds2> BBB seems to latch in sysboot only on power on not on reset
Aug 24 01:20:10 <ds2> wonder if the reset button is warm only :/
Aug 24 01:21:19 <nomel> is there a way to get the size of the eeprom in linux?
Aug 24 01:21:24 <nomel>  ideally from the /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/at24/3-0057 interface
Aug 24 01:24:40 <nomel> or, do i just assume it's 32kb and let stuff blow up if the spec ever changes?
Aug 24 01:46:29 <ds2> Russ: SDK 4 sort of works. I get into a look with wakelocks. will try sdk6 later
Aug 24 01:47:05 <mranostay> dd if=//sys/bus/i2c/drivers/at24/3-0057/eeprom of=/tmp/test.img && ls -lhd /tmp/test.img
Aug 24 01:53:11 <nomel> does the 8/21 image seem sane?
Aug 24 01:54:17 <mranostay> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/208
Aug 24 01:55:41 <nomel> bah, who let mranostay out AGAIN?
Aug 24 01:57:51 <mranostay> how dare you sir
Aug 24 02:00:15 <nomel> you assume i'm a sir. i see myself more as a cuttlefish that can't change colors.
Aug 24 02:00:20 <nomel> or texture.
Aug 24 02:00:42 <nomel> more of a mushy thing with eyes, and a bone inside that people hunt me for and give to their pet birds for calcium.
Aug 24 02:09:05 <mranostay> again sanity isn't our strong point
Aug 24 02:16:01 <nomel> figured out the eeprom file size
Aug 24 02:16:07 <nomel> seek to end, and then read position.
Aug 24 02:16:16 <nomel> i'm the dumb.
Aug 24 02:26:27 <m_billybob> ah and the weekend be here.
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