**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 25 02:59:58 2013 Aug 25 03:16:07 ahhhhh rainy weekend Aug 25 03:19:17 i hate little endian..... Aug 25 03:20:28 why. Aug 25 03:20:46 i++ -> i--... Aug 25 03:21:10 * m_billybob is over simplifying Aug 25 03:22:04 i've actually never delved too deep into endianess Aug 25 03:24:26 i just think i want to sleep Aug 25 03:25:11 perfect day here to sleep, its been raining a good part of the day Aug 25 03:25:39 got up at 3:30 am it was raining, went back to sleep at 5am, woke up again at 9 lol Aug 25 03:27:41 that isn't funny Aug 25 03:27:55 * mranostay is against the overuse of lol Aug 25 03:28:31 maybe not but it made for a great day :P Aug 25 03:28:47 nice, cool relaxed day Aug 25 04:04:17 m_billybob: yeah almost like france today :) Aug 25 04:23:01 for the BBB, is Angstrom build 08.20 pretty much safe to use now? Aug 25 04:51:05 was it broken? Aug 25 04:51:26 everything is broken Aug 25 04:54:31 * mranostay blares Bob Dylan in the room Aug 25 05:28:16 hi Aug 25 05:28:31 is android OS available for beagle bone black Aug 25 05:30:51 probably Aug 25 05:31:44 vishnu. theres an amazing resource on the internet... Aug 25 05:34:49 emeb_mac: FPGA!!!!!! Aug 25 05:35:15 jsut found a way to upset up wireless network Aug 25 05:35:27 try sticking 64M of braodcast into it Aug 25 05:35:29 :-) Aug 25 05:35:38 pr0n? Aug 25 05:35:45 mranostay - how's that logic analyzer board working out? Aug 25 05:37:27 ssssh! Aug 25 05:38:39 logic-anal-cape Aug 25 05:38:50 laughter-cape Aug 25 05:43:19 ssssh! Aug 25 05:43:21 mranostay, france ? really?! Aug 25 05:43:33 m_billybob: my next move i want to do there Aug 25 05:43:50 or another country with a horrible work ethics Aug 25 05:44:14 want to take my working hours down to 35 Aug 25 05:44:19 rather than 50 or 60 Aug 25 05:44:30 i guess. . . Aug 25 05:44:46 m_billybob: blue card i could get a few places in the EU Aug 25 05:45:06 i think im done with europe as far as visiting goes Aug 25 05:45:31 m_billybob: you've seen it all? Aug 25 05:45:32 boo Aug 25 05:45:33 wow. Aug 25 05:45:44 no ive seen enough Aug 25 05:45:44 there is so so much to see in Europe Aug 25 05:45:52 * mranostay needs to marry a EU citizen... Aug 25 05:45:58 think id rather visit austrailia Aug 25 05:46:19 m_billybob: how about NZ Aug 25 05:46:19 what do you know Aug 25 05:46:26 I'm recruiting Aug 25 05:46:31 hehe Aug 25 05:46:32 heh Aug 25 05:46:36 we can provide a US:kiwi dictionary Aug 25 05:46:44 we have that now Aug 25 05:46:53 mrpacket_: a kiwi livable wage? Aug 25 05:46:58 in fact, we have it in a US:kiwi:aussie version Aug 25 05:47:13 Probably wouldnt mind visiting NZ either Aug 25 05:47:15 grill:bbq:barbie Aug 25 05:47:24 DMX all things! Aug 25 05:47:25 mr packet can you please tell me a link which you trust more?. Aug 25 05:47:42 sandle:jandle:thong Aug 25 05:47:50 lol Aug 25 05:48:02 Vishnu. A link i trust Aug 25 05:48:02 mmm Aug 25 05:48:06 thing takes on a whole new meaning here in the US Aug 25 05:48:13 thong* Aug 25 05:49:30 http://microsoft.com and http://apple.com and http://oracle.com <-- all trustworthy Aug 25 05:49:35 Aug 25 05:49:40 watching th movie "the dictator" Aug 25 05:49:42 mr packet pardon me Aug 25 05:50:07 mrpacket thanks i got it Aug 25 05:50:44 Vishnu: mranostay is the duty support troll right now Aug 25 05:50:51 mrpacket Is this links really going to give some info about android?. Aug 25 05:50:51 he will be able to assist you Aug 25 05:51:08 * mranostay is about to hit the bars Aug 25 05:51:09 google . . . Aug 25 05:51:19 keyword beaglebone android . .. Aug 25 05:51:30 Vishnu: we dont' do your research for you here Aug 25 05:51:50 when you demostrated that you've done a resoanble level fo reading and made a fair effort Aug 25 05:51:58 come back with some specific questions Aug 25 05:52:05 you'll get a *much* better resposne Aug 25 05:52:24 the answer you are lookign for would take about 15 seconds with google Aug 25 05:53:10 its on the *front* page of the beaglebone black product page Aug 25 05:53:10 and, if yo uthink that is harsh, you're in the wrong channel Aug 25 05:53:33 beer me. bitch Aug 25 05:53:42 * mranostay is in a breaking bad mood Aug 25 05:53:52 mranostay: did you see the "Android on beagle link" Aug 25 05:53:57 beer yourself Aug 25 05:54:03 apaprently its written in invisible HTML ink Aug 25 05:54:20 mrpacket_, maybe its in moonrunes Aug 25 05:54:37 at least its not an opencv question Aug 25 05:54:57 all opencv, unbuntu and andriod questiosn will incurr a new fee Aug 25 05:55:08 rule 17 Aug 25 05:55:13 how do i get opencv working on beaglebone black running windows8 with node.js as a front end ? Aug 25 05:55:38 Oh, right, need Qt, and pybbio too . . . Aug 25 05:55:44 m_billybob: oh, you just need a soldering iron and a couple of different resistors Aug 25 05:55:48 they missed that out of the manual Aug 25 05:56:17 heh Aug 25 05:58:14 its spaceballs time Aug 25 05:58:25 feel like comedy movie night for some reason Aug 25 05:59:15 * emeb_mac just watched "A Scanner Darkly" - kinda funny. Aug 25 06:00:41 right, dinner time Aug 25 06:00:49 will be made and ready in about 11 minutes Aug 25 06:00:56 think ive watched that but dont remember what it was about Aug 25 06:01:23 * m_billybob imdb's Aug 25 06:01:49 drugs & rotoscope animation Aug 25 06:02:03 oh that movie yeah i got bored of it Aug 25 06:05:40 hmmm not in the mood for 80's comedy i guess ronal the barbarian maybe Aug 25 06:06:33 drugs, rock and roll, and FPGAs Aug 25 06:07:14 wine, adult animated comedy, and ... yeah idk Aug 25 06:12:14 love this movie lol "man the barracades you lazy bitches . .." Aug 25 06:27:55 beer!!! Aug 25 06:51:11 <_SY_> morning Aug 25 06:52:10 gm SY Aug 25 06:52:16 early up for sunday Aug 25 06:54:01 rhubarb! Aug 25 06:54:20 mrpackethead working on sunday? Aug 25 06:54:28 nup Aug 25 06:54:43 i am sitting in my favorite chair, in front of tv Aug 25 06:54:45 being a slob Aug 25 06:55:45 with beer and chips? Aug 25 06:56:07 rhubarb crumble Aug 25 06:56:12 and ice-cream Aug 25 06:58:25 <_SY_> hi, sorry, was coding, its 07:58 here...been out and done my daughters paper round :) Aug 25 06:59:05 yeah now both kids up here too Aug 25 06:59:23 <_SY_> all mine are still in bed Aug 25 07:00:53 <_SY_> quite enjoying working with node.js Aug 25 07:01:00 haha Aug 25 07:02:09 <_SY_> I'm developing a basic SCADA system to run on BBB....in my test set-up I have 64 clients connecting to the units and the units are pushing SVG mimics to the clients with dynamic data updates. Aug 25 07:04:35 you running a sewage plant? Aug 25 07:06:21 <_SY_> lol...no, I've always been involved with control systems, started out working for a company providing systems for food and medical industries, then later offshore, desigining ROV control systems and then working in control rooms monitoring offshore platforms. Aug 25 07:06:48 <_SY_> SCADA systems can be very expensive, I figure if I can write and provide a low cost alternative it has to be worth something... Aug 25 07:09:20 you do understand the sorts of thing SCADA systems run, yes? Aug 25 07:10:16 <_SY_> yes, of course, I use to configure and set-up SCADA systems back in the late 80's....then in the early 90's I designed a wrote a SCADA system for controlling ROV's. Aug 25 07:11:23 <_SY_> SCADA is not to be confused with DCS, the two are very different. Aug 25 07:11:42 <_SY_> I've done both, but I'm not proposing or intending to implement DCS functionality. Aug 25 07:13:21 <_SY_> I think it would be quite cool to have a SCADA system for home use, where you could monitor things around your own house. Aug 25 07:19:16 SCADA is very similiar to DCS Aug 25 07:21:19 <_SY_> not really, SCADA is a single system monitoring remote I/O...a DCS is that and also a complete distributed system where changes can be made on the remote systems via the DCS front end, remote control and localised control, where as SCADA is one system managing everything. Aug 25 07:25:53 the sort of thing that scada runs nowadays does not necesitate cheap Aug 25 07:28:04 <_SY_> SCADA isn't the control system, so it doesn't really run anything, in most cases the PLC's are the control systems and I agree these aren't cheap...if you look at the most popular SCADA systems, such as Wonderware's intouch its requirements in terms of systems are high...and the software is expensive...what I am writing won't be and will run on far less hardware. Aug 25 07:29:27 hi from pub Aug 25 07:29:38 <_SY_> :) Aug 25 07:29:41 scada is control system Aug 25 07:29:59 this bar sucks tonight Aug 25 07:30:03 supervisory CONTROL and data acquisition Aug 25 07:30:32 two meatheats talking about weightlifting Aug 25 07:30:48 <_SY_> it can be, but most companies do no rely on SCADA, they don't trust a PC to do that...especially in safety systems. SCADA is more commonly used to provide information and logging and alarms. Aug 25 07:31:11 for safety systems, you use SIL 3 rated stuff Aug 25 07:31:15 or even SIL 4 Aug 25 07:31:25 and i'm yet to see DCS that can do that Aug 25 07:31:32 <_SY_> I have used SIL 3 for Hima Cella fire and gas safety systems. Aug 25 07:32:15 <_SY_> where in a fire system, the PLC's would provide 3oo5 voting and the SCADA system would show the results. Aug 25 07:33:29 for SIL3 you need 1oo2 in most cases Aug 25 07:35:57 <_SY_> it depends entirely on what you are monitoring and how many smoke and flame detectors are employed....I did a F&G system for kazakhstan in 2005 where most of the areas had at least 5 smoke detectors, the C&E diagrams supplied required that at least 3 detectors would be set to require a vote. Aug 25 07:36:08 mranostay: go and talk to the google girls Aug 25 07:36:09 not us Aug 25 07:37:23 i can understand ignoring single sensor in that sort of system (some moron with cigaretes) Aug 25 07:37:58 <_SY_> the logic was fail safe, so it one of the sensors was down / faulty or offline it was treated as a vote. Aug 25 07:38:28 don't you need a morphing finortinizer? Aug 25 07:38:37 level 8? Aug 25 07:38:52 <_SY_> I quite liked working with Hima kit, you programmed the PLC's by drawing the logic diagrams, no code required. Aug 25 07:39:11 <_SY_> The programming system was called ELOPII Aug 25 07:43:39 hey ka6sox Aug 25 07:43:57 evening mrpackethead Aug 25 07:45:46 ka6sox: my google search for rx modules has failed Aug 25 07:45:48 :-( Aug 25 07:45:55 Hello, Can anyone help me how to enable camera cape 3.1 P on BBB? Thanks! Aug 25 07:46:52 cxphong: yes Aug 25 07:46:58 next question Aug 25 07:47:08 I had an error: [ 2.348164] cssp-camera 18000000.camera: Got rstctl (gpio:#0 name eMMC_RSTn) label:eMMC_RSTn-CAM3 [ 2.365958] cssp-camera 18000000.camera: CSSP Revision A4 [ 2.371758] cssp-camera 18000000.camera: dma_ch=20 [ 2.376819] cssp-camera 18000000.camera: dma_link[0]=65 [ 2.484722] cssp-camera 18000000.camera: camera sensor configuration failed Aug 25 07:47:26 cxphong: pastebin Aug 25 07:47:42 pastebin is your friend Aug 25 07:47:43 dont' paste inband Aug 25 07:48:59 cxphong, what TZ are you in? Aug 25 07:49:45 sorry, what does TZ mean? Aug 25 07:49:51 Timezone Aug 25 07:50:02 UTC+7 Aug 25 07:50:04 because the person who knows about this is not here. Aug 25 07:50:33 I am going to suggest that you paste the output into an email you send to the mailing list. Aug 25 07:51:19 cxphong, why are you using a webchat client. and not a real irc client Aug 25 07:52:44 cxphong: 你在中国 Aug 25 07:58:28 gone. Aug 25 07:59:12 <_SY_> have fun, day out at the seaside :), cya Aug 25 08:08:29 mrpackethead, well..he did as I asked. Aug 25 09:30:15 can someone give me a tip where can i find the beagleboard logo in .png format? or at least some images with the logo? Aug 25 09:48:37 vvu beagleboard.org? Aug 25 09:49:04 woglinde: they are mostly with background color and i`m not really in the photoshop business Aug 25 09:49:26 i need a logo for an android app, the launcher icon Aug 25 10:42:18 im working on slimming down my kernel and removing things i dont need/wont use. is CAN support something i should leave in? i dont think ill use it, but i dont know if other things depend on it Aug 25 10:42:43 specifically "CAN bus subsystem support" Aug 25 10:44:10 flufmnstr: just give it a try. Aug 25 10:44:20 fair enough Aug 25 10:44:36 flufmnstr: if something specifically depends on it, you shouldn't be able to deselct it anyways Aug 25 10:44:52 has libgles been deprecated? Aug 25 10:45:02 er Aug 25 10:45:06 libgles-omap3 Aug 25 10:45:07 flufmnstr: whereas CAN is mostly uncritical, just remove it. Aug 25 11:43:59 * mranostay enters Aug 25 11:55:05 * KotH leaves Aug 25 13:16:19 just attended the BBB workshop http://www.meetup.com/The-Internet-of-Things/events/136101512/ Aug 25 13:16:30 excited by the possibilities of playing with it! Aug 25 13:21:16 i'm excited too! Aug 25 13:21:33 but that could be just the amount of coffee i just had **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 25 13:25:58 2013 Aug 25 15:49:50 KotH, do you mix coffee and chocolate? Aug 25 15:54:43 hi there Aug 25 15:55:21 anyone succeeded installing archlinux arm in the eMMC? Aug 25 15:56:22 or is it installed but requires external power? Aug 25 15:56:37 to boot? Aug 25 15:56:41 what? Aug 25 15:57:21 extracted archlinuxarm boot loader in p1 arch in p2 Aug 25 15:57:34 in eMMc Aug 25 15:57:50 but dows nott boot Aug 25 16:00:25 why you need archlinux? Aug 25 16:00:39 biddut: connect a uart cable to find out :) Aug 25 16:01:18 has more packages ( arch) Aug 25 16:02:09 i do not have uart cable, I have ssh Aug 25 16:02:37 then try too ssh to your bootloader ;) Aug 25 16:03:01 lol Aug 25 16:03:08 thats not possible Aug 25 16:03:14 no really, if you want to diagnose such an issue you'll need a cable Aug 25 16:04:23 external power ? arch linux emmc ? huh ? Aug 25 16:04:31 in that case we can check visuall using a tv ( we r getting into beat-around-the-bush talk) Aug 25 16:04:59 yeah i'd just hook up the hdmi Aug 25 16:05:34 biddut, just get a cheap USB/serial cable and hook that up Aug 25 16:05:43 then you get early information from the bootloader Aug 25 16:05:57 ka6sox: good idea too Aug 25 16:06:09 Hello. It seems as if I got the wrong power adaptor delivered with my BB... 12v instead of 5v. I was wondering why I couldn't turn it on. Is the BB now broken? Aug 25 16:06:11 so, is there any reason why, the archlinuxarm, stops with 3 leds?, arch running from SD very nice Aug 25 16:06:23 biddut well if you want a better answer, you need to ask your question better. but like woglinde, and ka6sox both said you really need a serial debug interface Aug 25 16:06:39 yeah its called you've not configured you uEnv.txt file properly Aug 25 16:07:08 quick poll of the room: How many people here use archlinux on their BBB? Aug 25 16:07:24 which type of serial physical interface is on the bbb? Aug 25 16:07:38 3 solid LEDs on boot is almost always going to be a improperly configured uEnv.txt file. Aug 25 16:07:47 ka6sox severla people use it it works Aug 25 16:07:51 me happy with archlinux arm AS of NOW Aug 25 16:08:07 * Tenkawa uses debian or slackware on his bbb Aug 25 16:08:20 biddut this isnt an arch linux issue though, this is an u-boot isse induced by the user. Aug 25 16:08:34 ok Aug 25 16:08:41 m_billybob, +1 Aug 25 16:08:57 okay out into the world (OMG what will I do?) Aug 25 16:09:02 morning ka6sox-away Aug 25 16:09:08 lol Aug 25 16:09:14 * m_billybob waves Aug 25 16:09:46 I checked the uEnv.txt and fugured out p1 is vfat and p2 ( has to be to) ext4 and extarcted arch as usually I have been doing with the sd cards Aug 25 16:09:58 biddut now when i say the above, i do not mean that disrespectfully. Aug 25 16:10:10 ive been through this stage myself too Aug 25 16:10:15 i need to go grab a serial debug cable at microcenter heheh Aug 25 16:11:12 biddut anyhow the easy way is to order a serial debug cable, or find a 3v3 ttl uart module. the hard way is reconfigure your uEnv.txt file and keep chaing it until you get it right Aug 25 16:11:42 second option is how i went about it Aug 25 16:11:59 i can mount eMMC from sd, come on Aug 25 16:12:25 its 123 for me to edit uEnv.txt Aug 25 16:12:47 will this guy work? http://www.microcenter.com/product/389825/FTDI_Basic_Programmer_33V_-_USB_to_Serial Aug 25 16:12:55 try reading this biddut Aug 25 16:12:57 http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-eMMC Aug 25 16:13:06 debian centric but should be similar if not the same Aug 25 16:13:37 he talks about how to proerly setup the eMMC, or did last i read it Aug 25 16:13:41 1. i boot archlinux arm from mmc external 2. mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt 2. cd /mnt 4. vi uEnv.txt Aug 25 16:14:18 will that ftdi work for serial debugging? Aug 25 16:15:19 tenkawa -> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Serial Aug 25 16:15:21 who ever buying this ftdi cable are going to use it for 3 or four time in the lifetime of bbb Aug 25 16:15:23 lol Aug 25 16:16:12 maybe, maybe not Aug 25 16:16:12 hey bbb guyz, u need help or not? Aug 25 16:16:40 woglinde: i read it however the only one Aug 25 16:16:42 er Aug 25 16:16:51 local is that link i just sent Aug 25 16:16:59 * vvu uses his debug cable everyday to catch pesky bugs Aug 25 16:17:36 i use an msp430 launchpad on my serial debug port. butonly because i dont have a 3v3 FTDI module *yet* Aug 25 16:18:33 i am going to be trying tricky stuff with my kernel tuning and thats really the only debug output i'm going to be able to get Aug 25 16:23:57 bbl...cheers all Aug 25 16:24:15 beagle board is good, only us progreammers will enjoy, whose number is very small, but could make BBB very useful and famous, BBB ppl can contact me for my opinion Aug 25 16:39:44 Has the BB any kind of protection against using it with the wrong voltage? Aug 25 16:40:35 no Aug 25 16:41:29 ok.. So I will send the BB straight back to the shop that sent it to me with the wrong power adaptor Aug 25 16:42:39 there is no one here from BBB, we the users helping each other Aug 25 16:42:53 dostoyevsky, what voltage did they send? Aug 25 16:43:03 12v Aug 25 16:43:34 p00f Aug 25 16:43:40 ka6sox-away: 12V/1.5 A instead of 5v, 3A Aug 25 16:44:10 no built in regulator like lm7805? Aug 25 16:44:45 yes, the PMIC does 3.3 but its not good for input of 12v Aug 25 16:45:05 bbl Aug 25 16:46:02 biddut: You mean in the power adaptor? Aug 25 16:46:25 On the bill they say they sent me this one: http://www.lextronic.fr/P4030-bloc-secteur-a-decoupage-5-vcc--3-a.html Aug 25 16:46:26 in the board Aug 25 16:46:44 But the one I actually got was that one: http://www.lextronic.fr/P4032-bloc-secteur-a-decoupage-12-vcc--15-a.html Aug 25 16:47:26 wao Aug 25 16:47:35 p00f it is Aug 25 16:47:42 Yeah :-( Aug 25 16:48:08 sent back after p00fing LOL Aug 25 16:50:47 5x3=15va 12x15=60vA!!! Aug 25 16:51:07 12x1.5 Aug 25 16:51:27 oic Aug 25 16:51:39 18va Aug 25 16:51:46 hmm Aug 25 16:52:17 hmmm... maybe I buy a new power adaptor tomorrow and try if it still works before sending it back Aug 25 16:52:35 15 vs 18... maybe not too much to break anything Aug 25 16:53:07 use USB mobile chrager/connector Aug 25 16:53:24 with mini usb Aug 25 16:53:50 beside net port Aug 25 16:54:43 Ah... just tried it. I see a green light :) Aug 25 16:55:51 enjoy Aug 25 16:56:07 Yeah :) Aug 25 16:56:15 biddut: Thanks! Aug 25 16:58:02 Now I just need to figure out how I could create the SDHC image for ALA on my Mac... I only know this: http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/ti/beaglebone .... but I don't know if I can do "mkfs.ext4" and "mkfs.vfat"... Aug 25 17:05:24 lucky u did not go for another expenses Aug 25 17:06:30 in mac i never used I do not know Aug 25 17:06:45 can u get to term? Aug 25 17:06:52 in mac> Aug 25 17:08:18 Yes... And you have fdisk etc... I can even create msdos fs (not sure if VFat, though) ... but ext4 I can't... Aug 25 17:08:58 Luckily I also got a RPI, so I can use it to create the sdhc stick for the BB :) Aug 25 17:09:03 vfat fs type is e Aug 25 17:09:17 oic Aug 25 17:12:07 i am having probelm putting arch in the eMMC Aug 25 17:12:17 booting problem Aug 25 17:12:24 still working on it Aug 25 17:18:59 > eMMC is an embedded non-volatile memory system, comprised of both flash memory and a flash memory controller integrated on the same silicon die. Aug 25 17:19:24 Are these ARM based? Aug 25 17:19:43 bbb yes Aug 25 17:21:04 ah... bb has an onboard eMMC... ic Aug 25 17:22:04 bbb does not need anything, eMMc boots to armstrong linux Aug 25 17:22:23 straight Aug 25 17:22:59 login root password none Aug 25 17:24:14 u can use provided usb cable to connect using your browser too 192.168.1.7 Aug 25 17:25:10 or 192.168.2.7 Aug 25 17:36:16 biddut: I can't see any network activity from the BB when I turn it on... the RPI does dhcp requests immediately when I switch it on... but the BB does nothing... maybe it's yet broken Aug 25 17:36:54 do u c all the 4 leds blinking madly or not? Aug 25 17:38:49 biddut: no, nothings blinking. I just see a green light at the usb... Aug 25 17:39:36 it works for me from my notebook Aug 25 17:40:33 Yeah, I think I probably broke the BB with the wrong power adaptor... Everything works over the same network cable with the RPI... Aug 25 17:49:25 mru: orientation challenge? Aug 25 17:51:12 fly all the way to swede-land to get lost on purpose. Aug 25 17:51:28 * mranostay shouldn't be up already Aug 25 17:51:44 went to bed at 5a... Aug 25 17:51:48 mranostay why? Aug 25 17:52:47 woglinde: friends apartmentand such Aug 25 17:55:54 mranostay you are chatting from his pc? Aug 25 17:56:36 woglinde: same building so i just had to work the elevator Aug 25 18:05:44 emeb_mac: btw verilog seems so weird Aug 25 18:05:55 mranostay: :) Aug 25 18:06:06 everything is parallel! Aug 25 18:06:41 if you think Verilog is weird, try VHDL. Aug 25 18:07:05 you don't like vhdl? Aug 25 18:07:29 I like VHDL just fine - more than I did 2 years ago. :P Aug 25 18:07:44 it's just a lot stranger than Verilog. Aug 25 18:08:06 Probably depends on where you come from Aug 25 18:08:48 I always say: if you like C you'd like Verilog. if you like Ada you'd like VHDL. Aug 25 18:09:05 what if i like nodejs? Aug 25 18:09:38 then here's a lollipop - I think I hear your mother calling. Aug 25 18:10:58 I would have put vhdl closer to C then verilog, but ok.. Aug 25 18:12:03 What? Aug 25 18:12:12 lately the thing that bothers me most about VHDL is that it's case insensitive Aug 25 18:12:16 No, VHDL explicitly inherited syntax from Ada. Aug 25 18:12:27 Verilog explicitly uses C syntax when possible. Aug 25 18:12:54 just wish begin / end were braces. Aug 25 18:13:00 LIKE THEY SHOULD BE!!! Aug 25 18:13:29 you don't need braces nor begin end :) Aug 25 18:13:39 you funny man Aug 25 18:30:00 tabs is all you need Aug 25 18:33:00 python dude Aug 25 18:42:54 since omap3-sgx-modules and libgles-omap3 don't work with anything newer than linx 3.2 on the bon, is there a replacement? or just no accelerated 3D support? Aug 25 18:43:09 *linux, *bone Aug 25 18:44:05 nope Aug 25 18:44:26 only mesa egl software rendering Aug 25 18:49:09 hello, I'm using a BBB on default firmware with the beaglecode js coding interface, and can only access two PWM pins (P9_14 and P8_13). When I try to run a analogWrite() on any other pins, I get a runtime error Aug 25 18:49:32 does anyone know if there is anything special I need to do to access the other PWM pins? Aug 25 18:55:23 maybe they are not muxed? Aug 25 18:55:52 mux all things! Aug 25 18:56:08 all muxed up Aug 25 18:58:46 you mean set the pin to OUTPUT, etc? Aug 25 18:58:57 pinMode? Aug 25 19:01:48 yes Aug 25 19:03:13 <_av500_> I hate muxing Aug 25 19:03:29 av500 why? Aug 25 19:06:07 woglinde, is there anything in the newer kernels worth giving up accelerated 3D for? Aug 25 19:06:37 JViz hm do not know Aug 25 19:06:45 This does NOT work: b.pinMode('P9_16', b.OUTPUT); b.analogWrite('P9_16',pwmvalue2,1000,printout); Aug 25 19:06:50 i'll probably stick with the other kernel then Aug 25 19:07:04 casues a runtime error. When I comment out the analogWrite line, the code runs Aug 25 19:07:09 *older Aug 25 19:07:09 JViz if you need 3d thsn yes Aug 25 19:07:33 woglinde, I don't think it's needed, but probably preferred Aug 25 19:09:00 JViz you maybee need to look out for security bugs Aug 25 19:09:49 JViz: what 3.2 tree are you using? Aug 25 19:11:07 3.2.28 Aug 25 19:11:20 tree, not version :) Aug 25 19:11:48 https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/beagleboard-3.2 <-- this one? Aug 25 19:12:46 i don't know, whatever angstrom used Aug 25 19:12:58 angstrom all things! Aug 25 19:13:43 JViz: you don't use a beagleboneblack then? Aug 25 19:13:50 not yet Aug 25 19:16:57 isn't the BBB just a hardware revision? Aug 25 19:20:18 i don't think so Aug 25 19:22:04 JViz: revision? Aug 25 19:22:10 it is a completely new board Aug 25 19:28:28 ka6sox-away: sure, one piece of good chocolate with every coffee Aug 25 19:29:22 JViz: just look at the device tree changes Aug 25 19:30:56 KotH: does it have to be good coffee as well? Aug 25 19:30:58 Is it possible for the PRUSS module to control the ehrpwm modules indenpendently of the ARM processor Aug 25 19:31:22 ? Aug 25 19:33:06 mranostay: i'm not talking about this surrogate substitute of bitter brown liquid you call coffee... neither of that mind bleach people drink here in central europe Aug 25 19:33:37 Defhammer: read the TRM Aug 25 19:34:06 don't forget most chocolate here is also lame Aug 25 19:34:27 Defhammer read the Spruh73c <--- specifically Aug 25 19:34:32 emeb_mac: what chocolate? Aug 25 19:34:41 emeb_mac: what is wrong we the chocolate we gots? Aug 25 19:34:46 Spruh73h does not have PRU info in it Aug 25 19:34:47 *with Aug 25 19:34:49 KotH: just so. Aug 25 19:35:08 mranostay: did you have some of the chocolate i brought with me in barcelona? Aug 25 19:35:23 mranostay: most chocolate sold in the US is not as good as European stuff. Aug 25 19:35:32 mranostay: the stuff that even ka6sox's wife would sell her husband for? Aug 25 19:41:15 I assume you mean the AM335X_TRM Aug 25 19:44:13 KotH: no i don't recall Aug 25 19:44:52 KotH: how much chocolate would she get for selling ka6sox-away into white slavery? Aug 25 19:46:42 white chocolate. meh. Aug 25 19:47:15 technically speaking, white chocolate isnt chocolate Aug 25 19:47:34 mranostay: probably not much Aug 25 19:47:38 you got that right bro. Aug 25 19:47:49 emeb_mac: i still like it though :) Aug 25 19:49:31 when i was a small kid like mranostay, it was my favorite "chocolate" :) Aug 25 19:51:52 KotH: yep - sweeter. Aug 25 19:52:02 not by much Aug 25 19:52:19 it contains a lot more fat which carries the taste better Aug 25 19:52:54 that's why they use it in those Kinder Überraschung. Aug 25 19:53:21 (banned in USA for your safety!) Aug 25 19:53:28 heh Aug 25 19:53:35 (won't someone please think of the children) Aug 25 19:53:36 dumb kids Aug 25 19:53:58 (children who can't tell when they have non-food in their mouths) Aug 25 19:54:06 emeb_mac: huh? Aug 25 19:54:09 emeb_mac: banned? Aug 25 19:54:12 wtf? Aug 25 19:54:13 KotH: ya Aug 25 19:54:21 KotH: can't sell food with toys that you can choke on Aug 25 19:54:23