**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 27 02:59:58 2013 Aug 27 03:01:06 prpplague: do random chair come flying out? Aug 27 03:01:14 Hi, Can you say me how to do serial communication between beagleboard C3 and arduino microcontroller? Aug 27 03:02:12 the exact same you you do it on any Linux system Aug 27 03:02:21 s/you you/way you/ Aug 27 03:03:55 Alviur: have you using an arduino with a "pc" running linux? Aug 27 03:04:04 s/using/used Aug 27 03:05:12 mmmm a little bit with Qt Aug 27 03:05:59 Alviur: let me rephrase the question Aug 27 03:06:06 Alviur: have you used an arduino before? Aug 27 03:07:18 yeah Aug 27 03:08:20 but just with serial port in arduino interface I did that Aug 27 03:08:48 I don't know how to communicate my beagle board Aug 27 03:09:05 with arduinos serial port Aug 27 03:10:59 Alviur: how did you do it before? Aug 27 03:13:31 well I did an arduino program and then just send the commands to micro through arduino serial window Aug 27 03:14:24 Alviur: you mean you used the arduino ide on a host pc? Aug 27 03:15:10 yeah Aug 27 03:15:26 Alviur: avr tools such as avrdude and simple terminal window are available on the stock beaglebone black Aug 27 03:15:42 Alviur: i'd suggest learning out to use the arduino with a linux pc first Aug 27 03:16:02 Alviur: but there are a ton of "howto" pages on using arduino with beaglebone , just use google Aug 27 03:16:45 or just wait for post GSoC Aug 27 03:17:02 then you'll just use the Beagle like the arduino Aug 27 03:17:04 ;) Aug 27 03:17:08 ds2: indeed Aug 27 03:17:22 ds2: need to wait another couple of months Aug 27 03:17:27 Alviur: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-BeagleBone-and-an-Arduino-communicat/ Aug 27 03:17:39 slow students? Aug 27 03:18:21 ds2: students are great, just got other stuff to work on as well Aug 27 03:18:58 prpplague, so i've been messing around with arduino 1.5.3 .. Aug 27 03:19:05 pretty simple to add a new architecture Aug 27 03:19:53 oh Aug 27 03:20:02 Rickta59: yep, all the libs we've made should move right over Aug 27 03:20:17 the directory structure is different though Aug 27 03:20:29 Rickta59: yea, already looked Aug 27 03:20:36 Rickta59: shouldn't require much Aug 27 03:20:51 Rickta59: easier right now to do the dev with just the makefiles Aug 27 03:21:53 http://oi39.tinypic.com/2duckkh.jpg Aug 27 03:22:25 Rickta59: ahh dandy, you got msp430 running? Aug 27 03:22:30 yeah Aug 27 03:22:43 i have a chip that isn't supported so i thought i would try it out using that Aug 27 03:22:59 as adding compiler arguments in energia means i have to hack the ui Aug 27 03:23:10 this it is all in the platform.txt Aug 27 03:23:21 so you can do whatever you want Aug 27 03:23:36 change the compiler / args / upload Aug 27 03:24:08 and i just noticed that you can get some of the fram chips in tssop28 now Aug 27 03:24:19 probably been like that for a while, i just never noticed Aug 27 03:31:45 Rickta59: sounds like it is basically all the patches i submitted to them back in 2010 Aug 27 03:35:29 yeah it is very similar also to what the digilent guys did Aug 27 03:35:37 with the chipkit Aug 27 03:36:04 robert should have done your patches to energia Aug 27 03:36:36 still should .. seems like he is going to release something in sept Aug 27 03:36:42 time to get your ground work in place Aug 27 03:38:03 yea i am going to hold off on that Aug 27 06:27:04 Does also anybody have problems with the clock? Where can i restart it? As i tried to put in the right time to the clock it crashed . So i always get in a brwoser the message NO TRUSTED CERTIFICATE. Aug 27 06:29:42 I just run ntpd on my beagles, works fine Aug 27 06:33:08 LetoThe2nd: is that you: http://i.imgur.com/HXRCvR6.jpg ? Aug 27 06:34:13 pony people Aug 27 06:34:23 koen: hehe. possible, but my josef is spelled 'f' not 'ph' Aug 27 06:40:03 the clock on angstroem (06-2013) has crashed so i have no ssl. how can ire start it? Aug 27 06:42:06 so Angstrom is a timeless distribution? :D Aug 27 06:43:15 the man who was searched by the police and did a bank robbery in berlin steglitz did attack me in the past. he is on police webside. a fat man. i didnt get money from the robbery. Aug 27 06:43:15 ds2, its meta-time Aug 27 06:43:15 Hello! Aug 27 06:43:35 Is there some sort of case for the BeagleBox? Aug 27 06:44:06 noit had a clock but i couldnt putin the right time. how to solve the problem? Aug 27 06:44:13 LetItBeFree, what is a BeagleBox? Aug 27 06:45:05 let it be: yes on ebay but expenciveup from 20 euros inkl. postage Aug 27 06:46:00 CU, can you tell me what a BeagleBox is? Aug 27 06:47:09 ka i thought itis a case or a box for the beaglebone black where to put in for raspberry it was cheap. 6 euros. Aug 27 06:48:03 does anybodyelse have problems with the clock on angstroem? Aug 27 06:49:01 you need a case for an embedded distribution of linux? are they shipping it on CD? DVD? Aug 27 06:49:15 A case to cover the board Aug 27 06:49:30 http://elinux.org/BeagleBone#Cases Aug 27 06:49:42 only the #1 result for beaglebone case Aug 27 06:49:55 Google Fail. Aug 27 06:50:16 Didn't bother googling Aug 27 06:50:17 oh....a *Bone*Box Aug 27 06:50:21 case for software? are there better images available? android and ubuntu didnt work. anybody with better experiences? Aug 27 06:50:25 Thought I would talk to people Aug 27 06:50:27 LetItBeFree, you FAIL Aug 27 06:50:36 making OTHERS do your work... Aug 27 06:51:04 Where's your generous and helping spirit? :p Aug 27 06:51:11 windows is on dvd shipped but i want the clock for linux Aug 27 06:51:38 o_O? Aug 27 06:53:26 i am worng here....no TIME Aug 27 06:54:54 windows is shipped on dvd Aug 27 06:55:51 does ubuntu on pc destroy other partitions? Aug 27 06:56:17 * LetoThe2nd checks if it is already friday Aug 27 06:57:44 bone box? i.e a coffin? Aug 27 06:59:26 actually a bone box is what you keep bones in Aug 27 06:59:37 there is one in the other room Aug 27 07:00:08 also called a coffin? Aug 27 07:00:47 it contains plasticized bones for study of anatomy Aug 27 07:01:36 kindof like prosections, but for bones Aug 27 07:05:05 Russ: did you catch the suspend resume behavior I saw? Aug 27 07:07:40 -ECONTEXT Aug 27 07:10:34 all my music is lost on pc. others work?k6sox? do u know sth about time? Aug 27 07:11:38 ds2, which behavior? Aug 27 07:12:20 a wonderfull FRIDAY morning! Aug 27 07:46:09 i was interested in video observing on beagle bone Aug 27 07:47:56 <_av500_> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2021474419/flutter-20-wireless-arduino-with-half-mile-1km-ran Aug 27 07:48:06 <_av500_> ahoi too Aug 27 07:48:50 ahoi av500! Aug 27 07:49:02 did the km shrink or the mile get longer while i wasnt watching? Aug 27 07:49:49 hmm.. my internet seems to be broken Aug 27 07:50:00 i sell my beaglebone black: any offers? its just a few weeks old. Aug 27 07:50:01 if its borken how are you talking ;) Aug 27 07:51:39 KotH: depends on with what you measure the distance of course Aug 27 07:51:48 i ll take a shotgun small for it Aug 27 07:52:01 CU: what's your problem with the bone? Aug 27 07:52:10 CU: beside you not making sense Aug 27 07:52:44 What is the best (best supported) RTOS running on de BBB? Aug 27 07:53:09 any offers to: B-MV@1kiss.eu Aug 27 07:53:10 define scale on which you grade "best" and what you mean with "RTOS" Aug 27 07:53:30 CU: you will not be able to sell your bone to anyone here Aug 27 07:54:00 CU: people here stay away from boards that had been in the hands of noobs, as they are often broken due to improper handling Aug 27 07:54:04 CU: go and sell it on ebay Aug 27 07:54:39 RTOS -> real-time operating system, |worst|-------------------|best| Aug 27 07:54:41 hehe im pretty sure im on the road to bricking mine as we speak :) Aug 27 07:54:49 KotH: Improper handling? Aug 27 07:55:19 blaaa: it's damn easy to fry your board if you dont know what you are doing Aug 27 07:55:32 it's open electronics, you can touch everything Aug 27 07:55:45 <_av500_> like handling it next to a deep fryer Aug 27 07:55:53 <_av500_> ooops, and fried Aug 27 07:56:12 well, i must admit, that happend to me once Aug 27 07:56:19 <_av500_> see Aug 27 07:56:33 <_av500_> McFry Aug 27 07:58:27 Russ: Resumebehavior on SDK6 and SDK4 w/the provided U-boot/MLO of each Aug 27 07:59:19 what normally prevents a BBB from booting from the microsd? Aug 27 08:00:08 i have been in a few different channels today trying to sort out why i cant boot arch-linux arm to no avail Aug 27 08:00:16 not pressing The Button? Aug 27 08:00:20 i booted ubuntu 13.04 and flashed it via mmc without issue Aug 27 08:00:21 not propperly set up sd card Aug 27 08:00:34 not following The Guide Aug 27 08:00:36 etc pp Aug 27 08:00:46 koth: thats what i initially thought, but the process seems very solid, all the necessary files are there Aug 27 08:00:56 at this point i just want to flash it to the newest angstrom Aug 27 08:01:04 have you tried a different sd card? Aug 27 08:01:15 i only have 1 microsd :( Aug 27 08:01:16 different manufacturer and type Aug 27 08:01:19 get another one Aug 27 08:01:33 what would allow ubuntu and debian to boot fine, but not ALA or angstrom? Aug 27 08:01:50 oh.. it works with different distros? Aug 27 08:01:54 so, then it's not the card Aug 27 08:01:58 then it's the setup Aug 27 08:02:00 yeah Aug 27 08:02:03 its gotta be the setup Aug 27 08:02:14 well... Aug 27 08:02:24 have a look how the different images set up the card Aug 27 08:02:26 and compare them Aug 27 08:02:29 when flashing angstrom, you simply blow away all partitions on the target SD card and then just win32diskimage the .img file to it correct? Aug 27 08:02:34 ds2, and? Aug 27 08:02:40 oh.. and connect a serial cable to the bone Aug 27 08:03:03 I have a little caching question. the ARM documentation states that it is ok to have multiple virtual-> physical mappings as long as they have the same caching flags. I am in a situation where at startup memory is first mapped as "device" memory and only later parts are repurposed (e.g. normal memory that gets cached and "DMA" able memory). Aug 27 08:03:18 can I repurpose the memory? Aug 27 08:03:50 <_av500_> i dont see why not Aug 27 08:04:55 my guess it that I need to do a proper cache "flush" but I am not sure about the order of doing things. e.g just barriers are from what it looks not enough. Aug 27 08:07:25 repeating it - SDK 4 sort of works. I was using an android kernel and it gets into a look with wake locks. SDK6 doesn't work with DS0 on the stock image but standby works. power draw btwn suspend and DS0 don't differ too much Aug 27 08:07:52 with sdk6, did you try the u-boot version that comes with it? Aug 27 08:11:46 Russ: yes. all these are datapoints with the Uboot/MLO that came with it. Aug 27 08:13:26 and this is on bone white? Aug 27 08:14:00 no, black Aug 27 08:14:23 hmmm...there is pretty minimal black support in psp from what I understandy Aug 27 08:14:25 er, understand Aug 27 08:15:40 hmm okay. I can retest with the white Aug 27 08:41:28 is SPI flash for linux FS is way much slower than parallel flash? Aug 27 08:42:07 hi! Aug 27 08:50:27 scrts: It depends. Aug 27 08:50:37 scrts: What do you mean by 'parallel flash' ? Aug 27 08:51:12 Both SPI, and NOR flash - what most parallel flashes would be - would not usually be used for filesystems. Aug 27 08:51:34 But if you could expand on some details, maybe more sensible comment could be made. Aug 27 08:51:38 * SpeedEvil quacks. Aug 27 08:53:19 <_av500_> there is blazing fast QuadSPI Aug 27 08:56:08 you mean sd? Aug 27 09:01:36 <_av500_> no Aug 27 09:01:42 <_av500_> QSPI Aug 27 09:01:46 <_av500_> not on AM335x though Aug 27 09:01:59 I thought that was basically what mmcs used Aug 27 09:02:04 <_av500_> no Aug 27 09:02:20 <_av500_> mmc also use 4 lines (or even 8) Aug 27 09:02:33 <_av500_> emmc might be 8 lines on BBB, not sure Aug 27 09:07:10 koen: I have some issues compiling libgles-omap3 in angstrom-v2013.06-yocto1.4. Same as this guy http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.embedded.yocto.meta-ti/2434. Seen this before? Aug 27 09:10:35 SpeedEvil -> well, they use SPI flash on routers Aug 27 09:13:30 _av500_: emmc on bbb is 8 lines Aug 27 09:14:14 scrts: Because speed is not important Aug 27 09:14:57 yes, but it would probably be faster if I could use parallel flash... Aug 27 09:15:07 need to consider replacement :> Aug 27 09:15:20 I need faster flash only for my development Aug 27 09:15:39 <_av500_> ? Aug 27 09:16:08 <_av500_> for development you need to rewrite the whole flash all the time? Aug 27 09:16:23 ofc Aug 27 09:16:35 like you compile a new kernel every time you boot your computer Aug 27 09:16:57 <_av500_> KotH: well, in my case that is not an issue Aug 27 09:17:14 if you are doing lots of development, I'd recommend loading kernels via tftp Aug 27 09:17:24 <_av500_> or user space binaries Aug 27 09:17:29 <_av500_> ramdisk etc Aug 27 09:17:35 nfsftw Aug 27 09:17:43 <_av500_> nsfwftw Aug 27 09:17:58 isn't a little early in the morning for that? Aug 27 09:18:11 <_av500_> where? Aug 27 09:19:00 wherever you are Aug 27 09:19:21 <_av500_> whereever UGT is Aug 27 09:29:49 the sun is over the yardarm, arr! Aug 27 09:30:01 break out the rum and nsfw Aug 27 09:30:21 <_av500_> and the lime juice Aug 27 09:30:44 tasslehoff: 3d support is very, very bad in meta-ti, so I won't count on it working or compiling Aug 27 09:31:06 did someone mention rum ? Aug 27 09:31:33 _av500_ -> no, just adding/removing packages and also kernel modules Aug 27 09:31:54 unfortunately our national state monopoly for booze does not love rum as much as I do so a lot of the good stuff eludes me Aug 27 09:31:55 <_av500_> sdcard Aug 27 09:32:53 Vaizki: what ? some brands are prohibited ? Aug 27 09:32:56 but at least we can get ron zacapa, sailor jerry, havana club and appleton estate so it's not a complete disaster Aug 27 09:33:14 das: no, but >22% alcohol can only be sold in state-run stores Aug 27 09:33:39 no Plantation, RE, Pyrat, Theresa etc ? Aug 27 09:34:02 umm no. I guess you could get much of those by ordering specially but the cost will be high Aug 27 09:34:03 and Angostura ofc Aug 27 09:34:12 angostura bitters yes ;) Aug 27 09:34:14 where do you live ? Aug 27 09:34:20 Finland Aug 27 09:34:34 <_av500_> Vaizki: what is your phone throwing score? Aug 27 09:34:45 DNG Aug 27 09:34:47 DNF even Aug 27 09:35:00 can't you be delivered from germany ? Aug 27 09:35:04 rum is cheap there Aug 27 09:35:08 <_av500_> Ja! Aug 27 09:35:12 <_av500_> is it? Aug 27 09:35:16 like Mount Gay XO is 35€ per liter Aug 27 09:35:22 maybe 440 Aug 27 09:35:24 40* Aug 27 09:35:26 yes and no. it's illegal to buy alcohol from abroad unless you arrange for its transport yourself. Aug 27 09:35:38 the law says ownership must transfer outside of Finland Aug 27 09:35:48 got a friend at estonian border maybe ? :D Aug 27 09:35:50 so I have to buy it in Germany, then have it shipped in my own name Aug 27 09:36:19 das: but MG XO is one of the best rums around Aug 27 09:36:25 but yes there are ways around.. but not sure how good idea it would be to have like 42 bottles of rum at home Aug 27 09:36:33 koen: there are many many others :) Aug 27 09:36:39 (it's E40/liter here) Aug 27 09:36:43 das: right Aug 27 09:36:53 it's 55€/75cl here :( Aug 27 09:36:54 das: but I only stock MG XO and Pyrat XO :) Aug 27 09:36:57 there are so many rums but there is not a single "best" one Aug 27 09:37:04 that pyrat is fun Aug 27 09:37:06 depends on the weather etc what I like Aug 27 09:37:10 Don Papa is funky too Aug 27 09:37:35 If you can grab the plantations they are awesome Aug 27 09:38:06 Plantation Nicargua/Jamaica/Guatemala/Panama/Guyana are the best Aug 27 09:38:15 but the others are worth it as well Aug 27 09:38:40 currently at home I have Ron Zacapa (liquerish), Sailor Jerry (spiced), Appleton Estate Master Blender's Legacy (smooth), Kraken (cola-bomb), Havana CLub (mojito), Mount Gay something.. One bottle of Santa Teresa.. hmmh. Aug 27 09:39:19 <_av500_> AAA meeting in progress Aug 27 09:39:25 <_av500_> AA Aug 27 09:39:26 Kraken with coke is deadly and will topple non rum-drinkers in an hour :) Aug 27 09:39:32 The Santa Theresa is akin to the Reserva Exclusiva and Zacapa Aug 27 09:39:56 they're all great :) Aug 27 09:40:25 Zacapa is a bit too sweet and slick for me often Aug 27 09:40:35 like drinking Drambuyie instead of whiskey Aug 27 09:40:38 yeah it's really mood dependent Aug 27 09:41:12 where Reserva Exclusiva won't cut it I oftentimes take the El Dorado 15 Aug 27 09:42:26 RE is Diplomatico? Aug 27 09:42:55 I used to visit Venezuela a lot for business and I brought it back couple of times.. Aug 27 09:44:43 Yup Aug 27 09:45:24 it's what I beginned with :) Aug 27 09:45:51 I think I offered half a dozen of this one Aug 27 09:46:15 easiest goto present, everyone loves it Aug 27 09:48:03 grüezi herr Criztian Aug 27 09:49:38 hi guys, can you help me with my bbb? Aug 27 09:49:54 kos_: no, we cannot Aug 27 09:50:09 kos_: you have to plug it in yourself Aug 27 09:50:18 kos_: there is noone else who can do that Aug 27 09:50:26 funny Aug 27 09:50:57 i try to boot another image from sd Aug 27 09:51:20 have you had a look at the output on the serial console? Aug 27 09:51:41 yes sure, it loops until i press a key Aug 27 09:52:03 good... where does it loop? :) Aug 27 09:52:53 good question. i followed the official instructions for booting qnx. now there is so much text and i dont know where to start Aug 27 09:53:40 everything looks ok until there is "## Starting application at 0x1000000F ... prefetch abort" Aug 27 09:55:12 maybe you could pastebin the output of printenv in uboot Aug 27 09:55:25 KotH: hi! Aug 27 09:55:53 oh what does it mean Aug 27 09:56:45 well I guess when you press a key you end up in interactive uboot? Aug 27 09:57:07 once i press the key i got the U-Boot promt Aug 27 09:57:34 right. so do "printenv" there and put the result in pastebin.com Aug 27 09:58:12 and put the log from the boot cycle in the same paste as well Aug 27 09:58:21 my console doesnt save the whole output Aug 27 09:58:28 90% chance I can't help but hey there's always 10% Aug 27 09:58:51 kos_: ok maybe you need to work on your tools a bit then and come back after you can show us what's happening? ;) Aug 27 09:58:54 lunch& Aug 27 09:59:06 ok, i try it - thanks Aug 27 10:01:21 koen: hm. do I have any alternatives if I want 3d support for my board on yocto 1.4? Aug 27 10:15:35 tasslehoff: nope Aug 27 10:16:04 tasslehoff: you could try switching to softfp if your board is using hardfp Aug 27 10:16:21 think of 3D as "unsupported by TI" Aug 27 10:18:28 a true thin client platform; exists only in two dimensions Aug 27 10:19:18 koen: has it always been unsupported? Aug 27 10:20:00 koen: why should I switch to softfp? Aug 27 10:24:41 nm the last one. I am already running softfp. Aug 27 10:33:01 hello! Aug 27 10:36:37 Good day everyone! I'm into study about making a USB File-to-File Transfer Module in which you can transfer file instantly. I would like to have it Bluetooth accessibility and a Touch screen user interface. But I have no idea how to start with it. The module must be smaller as possible. All of the people I've asked for said that the Raspberry Pi product will be useful. Then, I would like to configure as, like, you can choose whether to Aug 27 10:37:04 Bluetooth device or to the output/input usb interchangeably so it does. Any idea? Thank you. God bless everyone! 1. It's primary function is to transfer file from a USB Mass Storage Device to another USB Mass Storage Device without the use of a netbook PC or something. Through this touchscreen and handy module, you can transfer files through the port-to-port connection or via bluetooth. (same principle as you were using a pc copying Aug 27 10:37:37 another flash drive) IT CAN COPY: A. from the input usb device to another usb device (output usb) or interchangeably; B. from the input usb device to a bluetooth device via bluetooth option. 2. It must also be in touchscreen user interface. So, that's it. I think it really needs a usb card or something, touchscreen and a bluetooth device right. and it will take a lot of programming. Aug 27 10:37:53 I think this will help you to understand more, there's already an existing device. but it;s controls are just buttons and the all the files on a mass storage device are copied (everything) into another device. (i want this module to have the user the capability of choosing the file it wishes to send) http://www.google.com/url...;bvm=bv.48705608,d.bmk PLEASE DO HELP ME! PLEASE?? (((( Aug 27 10:38:13 oh my... Aug 27 10:38:19 yup Aug 27 10:41:46 hi, i just successfully installed debian on BBB, while i compile a kernel module, this problem occurs, Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.13-bone26' CC [M] /home/Driver/hello.o In file included from include/linux/timex.h:65:0, from include/linux/jiffies.h:8, from include/linux/ktime.h:25, from include/linux/timer.h:5, from include/linux/workqueue.h: Aug 27 10:42:00 Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.13-bone26' CC [M] /home/Driver/hello.o In file included from include/linux/timex.h:65:0, from include/linux/jiffies.h:8, from include/linux/ktime.h:25, from include/linux/timer.h:5, from include/linux/workqueue.h:8, from include/linux/srcu.h:34, from include/linux/notifier.h:15, Aug 27 10:42:30 please everyone here??? :((( thank you so much! i really hope that you can help me. some of the review said that BBB is way better that Rpi. Aug 27 10:43:12 sdsd Aug 27 10:43:26 fatal error: mach/timex.h: No such file or directory Aug 27 10:43:55 folks i'm trying to create a FAQ for my GSOC project Beagle-ROS because i get the same questions over and over again. One of the things i get asked often is "Why Angstrom?". I know this is a topic being discussed here as well, would you mind taking a look at my reasoning? (just want to make sure i didn't say anything stupid) Aug 27 10:44:00 here it is https://github.com/vmayoral/beagle-ros/wiki/FAQ#why-%C3%85ngstr%C3%B6m Aug 27 10:47:09 vmayoral, you're better off takign it out, because you're way off Aug 27 10:48:36 root@arm:~# uname -a Aug 27 10:48:36 Linux arm 3.8.13-bone21 #1 SMP Mon Jun 24 23:57:02 MST 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux Aug 27 10:48:38 m_billybob: thanks, would you mind explaining to me why is it mistaken? Aug 27 10:48:44 thats wheezy. Aug 27 10:48:54 also its armhf Aug 27 10:51:09 vmayoral in short what you're saying about debian is wrong. Maybe to some extent it could be true with debians release stuff, but its not true at all for custom kernel + stock rootfs. If yo uwant my opinion, just leave other distros out of the explanation Aug 27 10:52:05 as for the angstrom stuff, i dont know, i dont use angstrom and dont know much about it Aug 27 10:52:35 i see, thanks for reviewing Aug 27 10:52:44 Linux arm 3.8.13-bone26 #1 SMP Fri Aug 16 20:56:24 UTC 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux Aug 27 10:53:40 m_billybob: grateful :), i'll follow you suggestion Aug 27 10:54:11 is there a patch required like the problem in ubuntu as well as mentioned in this link, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/beagleboard/5xMAyFxQbdE/Tq4fE8C5C48J Aug 27 10:54:23 vmayoral no problem. thing with tryign to compare to othe distro . . .it only sounds like a distro pissing war. something a lot of people dont care about Aug 27 10:55:01 m_billybob: yes you're right, i was just trying to answer the questions i get Aug 27 10:55:16 such as i have my doubts that angstrom is faster than debian, but in the end i dont really care Aug 27 10:55:40 m_billybob: actually quite of lof of people wonders how it compares to Ubuntu, so i tried to make a comparison Aug 27 10:55:49 a bad one it seems Aug 27 10:55:56 ah well that comparrison might make more sense Aug 27 10:56:17 at least to me personally, and no one says i have to always be right Aug 27 10:56:28 or ever . . . Aug 27 10:56:32 ;) Aug 27 10:57:37 any idea if there is a fresh image of a eMMC BBB ? Aug 27 10:57:55 * vvu is kinda lazy to dump one after flashing the eMMC Aug 27 11:03:13 root@arm:~# uptime Aug 27 11:03:14 04:04:26 up 21 days, 3:57, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 Aug 27 11:03:16 :) Aug 27 11:05:23 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/OMGWTF2-The-Beast-of-Burden.aspx Aug 27 11:05:42 "If I were make my living writing script in Diarescript, I can almost guarantee that my brain would have to become stupider to compensate." Aug 27 11:09:06 no points for inventing a stupid programming language Aug 27 11:09:19 they used to have courses for that at uni Aug 27 11:09:41 only points if you get a major company to use it for an internal, critical system Aug 27 11:10:24 been there done that! Aug 27 11:11:02 which version of angstrom distribution to use with BBB Aug 27 11:11:04 ? Aug 27 11:11:24 Vaizki: point to you then! Aug 27 11:11:34 qt-x: the latest? Aug 27 11:11:36 qt-x: the one that is linked on the webpage Aug 27 11:12:20 KotH: it's in use by a nasdaq listed company which uses it to handle data exchange between the major US mobile operators Aug 27 11:12:42 I'm not going to say more than that :D Aug 27 11:13:56 Vaizki: does it have time triggered bugs, that will go off in a couple of years, so they have to hire you again for an unreasonable amount of money to fix it? Aug 27 11:14:58 no, and they have the source code. or rather they are paying for a lawyer to keep the source code so that if I try to charge unreasonable amounts it can be released to them. Aug 27 11:15:34 of course 'unreasonable' has to be defined by a court of law before that.. which might take a few years :D Aug 27 11:16:40 anyway, the past is boring. I need to get cracking on the future again& Aug 27 11:16:49 but guys my comment there was that maybe sure the code was bad, but the person who was talkign about it wasnt much better Aug 27 11:16:54 "stupider" Aug 27 11:17:51 i might not be the best person for spelling and what not but i dotn invent nonsensical words either lol Aug 27 11:31:00 If I flash with: "demo_beaglebone_BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20.img.xz" should I expect some restriction like time limited kernel ? Aug 27 11:33:06 it's the demo for angstrom-distribution provided on beagleboard.org website Aug 27 11:34:51 qt-x: why not use the ones from the angstrom site: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ ? Aug 27 11:35:31 m_billybob: well, english is a difficult language, and very few people speak it or know how to spell words correctly Aug 27 11:35:51 koen: any idea where can i find an image of the eMMC for BBB? Aug 27 11:35:57 vvu: nowhere Aug 27 11:35:57 m_billybob: i didnt even notice this "mistake" as my brain has been correcting these automagically for aeons already Aug 27 11:36:07 so i need to dump it after i flash it :( Aug 27 11:37:58 koen: i have the latest (2013.08.21) on the board and I'm unable to start the usb dhcp or connect via ethernet cable Aug 27 11:41:29 qt-x: what's the output on serial? Aug 27 11:47:30 KotH its all good. thats my own personal pet peve. grammar. spelling i forgive, because i know everyone can make those mistakes. Just how my pown mind processes thigns i guess Aug 27 11:48:27 koen: http://pastebin.com/1pNG6VVx Aug 27 11:49:06 * m_billybob also tends to truncate sentences sometimes too which is probably just as bad Aug 27 11:50:25 qt-x: and after you login, what does ifconfig say? Aug 27 11:50:31 did ethernet get an ip? Aug 27 11:51:52 koen: yes Aug 27 11:51:52 m_billybob: i've been known for switching from one sentence to another, mid sentence :) Aug 27 11:51:58 m_billybob: i even do that while talking Aug 27 11:52:20 m_billybob: oh.. and i often leave out words while chatting Aug 27 11:52:30 like verbs and such stuff Aug 27 11:53:28 koen: no Aug 27 11:54:22 koen: eth0 dose not and usb0 has the default 192.168.7.2 Aug 27 11:54:48 <_av500_> KotH: I the same problem Aug 27 11:57:02 _av500_: verbs are for the weak Aug 27 11:58:07 hehehe Aug 27 11:58:39 would have to read and try to understand a book like that though ;) Aug 27 11:58:45 hate not have Aug 27 11:58:49 Vaizki: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthc.org%2Froot%2Fphun%2Funmaintain.html&ei=YpQcUpvgAqaw7Qbv7YHIDw&usg=AFQjCNEbmlhwVEM1N4M3XuJffwP8JHxG8Q&bvm=bv.51156542,d.ZGU&cad=rja Aug 27 11:58:52 oops Aug 27 11:59:00 thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html‎ Aug 27 11:59:11 koen: ifconfig out : http://pastebin.com/SMuew0qd Aug 27 11:59:11 thos pesky/sneaky long winded urls Aug 27 12:16:00 koen: 3d support in meta-beagle is so stellar so it doesn't even exist Aug 27 12:19:04 <_av500_> you dont need 3G Aug 27 12:19:07 <_av500_> as raster Aug 27 12:19:10 <_av500_> SW is faster Aug 27 12:20:12 tasslehoff: that is a known issue of debugedit Aug 27 12:22:39 denix: any workaround for it? Aug 27 12:24:35 tasslehoff: not yet, still looking Aug 27 12:35:42 denix: right, because it reuses (well, tries to) the meta-ti 3d stuff Aug 27 12:36:24 denix: the DDK is a bigger mess, I've been trying to get it to build for weeks now :/ Aug 27 12:51:43 koen: I would agree in general about DDK being a big PITA and giving new set of issues with every new release Aug 27 12:52:07 koen: care to provide more details of your problems though? Aug 27 12:55:26 denix: it builds its own sysroot for X manually with no way to disable it Aug 27 12:55:43 and makefile include hell Aug 27 12:56:21 of course it fails to build pixman, so no Xorg pvr driver Aug 27 12:57:03 the gfx team is OK once prathab is dropped from cc: Aug 27 13:02:17 koen: x11 is a mess right now, need to fix the recent changes that introduced the split between x11 and raw - it's on my todo list among million other things Aug 27 13:02:55 koen: btw, you know that nobody cares about x11 here, I have to fight for its support not to be removed completely Aug 27 13:02:56 denix: I have gerrit access now, so hopefully I can make a neat patch and gerrit it Aug 27 13:03:25 koen: patches are welcome Aug 27 13:03:36 for the DDK, that is Aug 27 13:05:09 hi, Im havin problems with my BBB Aug 27 13:07:17 since i updated to latest firmware using the EMMc File the network 19.168.7.2 is not more reachable and my pc tells me that the linux USB Ethernet Gadget-Network is unplugged... Aug 27 13:07:49 19.168.7.2 should that not be 192.168.x.x ? Aug 27 13:08:29 ah, yes, sorry --- typing error Aug 27 13:09:12 do you have a serial? Aug 27 13:09:31 no, only usb and ethernet is connected to my BBB Aug 27 13:10:06 so you where having two network connections right? Aug 27 13:11:14 yes, my normal lan connection on my xp machine and the one from BBB with linux...gadget Aug 27 13:11:31 USB Ethernet Gadget would the the Linux distro on the BBB running a ethernet gadget and the second one the ethernet RJ54 Aug 27 13:11:43 bbb is connected with my desktop switch Aug 27 13:12:05 keesj_: Ethernet gadget acts like there is a USB ethernet dongle plugged in Aug 27 13:13:07 I know. I am just tyring to figure out how he knows "linux USB Ethernet Gadget-Network" is unplugged Aug 27 13:13:07 ah, ok. do i need the network cable at all? Aug 27 13:14:21 it depends on your setup but indeed this is not needed Aug 27 13:14:31 before the "update" of my BBB i was able to browse to 192.168.7.2 so it must be something went wrong with the update Aug 27 13:15:04 so now perhaps your device also gets a ip address assigned over the network :) Aug 27 13:15:22 and you can ssh to it to see what's happening on usb side Aug 27 13:15:58 the dumb thing is that I do not have the correct HDMI2DVI adapter to connect the BBB to an monitore Aug 27 13:16:16 no, I'm not able to ssh to 192.168... Aug 27 13:17:06 getting a serial is always a good idea. Aug 27 13:18:57 hm, ok, I think this is right. But for the moment is there anything I can do to "unbrick" my BBB?? Aug 27 13:19:37 you can create a sd-card and boot your device over that Aug 27 13:20:14 I already did that, but it has the same effect. no network connection Aug 27 13:21:48 try the previous version again? or plug your BBB in a different usb port. I think windows will start dicovering new drivers. Aug 27 13:22:20 do you also get the mass storage ? what distro are you using? Aug 27 13:22:33 my xp machine displays the linux-gadget connection, then writes out "get IP address" and one second later "network cable was disconnected" Aug 27 13:23:03 I get the mass storage Aug 27 13:24:05 I was using the official latest version from beagleboard/latest images Aug 27 13:25:09 do you properly power the BBB or only over usb? Aug 27 13:25:18 yes Aug 27 13:25:46 I'm running out of ideas thats why I'm asking here... Aug 27 13:26:21 so, to recap USB-Serial-adapter would be a good thing to order Aug 27 13:27:52 how can I try the previous version? Aug 27 13:28:10 where can I find it? Aug 27 13:32:10 I don't know Aug 27 13:32:54 OK, thanks so far. I try to find it on google. BYE Aug 27 13:35:52 hi Aug 27 13:36:49 looks like the new BBB angstrom does not require to press the boot button to boot from SD :-) Aug 27 13:37:02 i thought my button was stuck :-) Aug 27 13:37:10 Quick Q.... anybody that knows a 2 -4 Line lcd that is quick to setup with the BBB.... pref one with i2 interface... Aug 27 13:37:21 and pref no breakout etc.... Aug 27 13:37:21 <_av500_> the bootloader on emmc might be able to boot from sd too Aug 27 13:37:37 <_av500_> or if there is none on emmc, it goes to sd by itself Aug 27 13:37:52 <_av500_> Bo_DK: google? Aug 27 13:38:14 google.... not so much my friend today Aug 27 13:38:19 or i would not have asked Aug 27 13:38:27 :-( Aug 27 13:38:32 How hard is it to use NEON stuff on the beagle? Any libraries readily available? Aug 27 13:38:38 <_av500_> https://www.google.com/search?q=i2c+lcd Aug 27 13:38:46 <_av500_> dostoyevsky: libraries for what? Aug 27 13:39:43 _av500_: that give you NEON performance... E.g. OS X/iOS has the Accelerator framework that you can use Aug 27 13:40:11 i thought the compiler auto-uses the neon Aug 27 13:40:16 NEON is just a compile time switch Aug 27 13:40:29 <_av500_> lol Aug 27 13:40:57 (and i hope compilers dont just blindly auto-use it) Aug 27 13:41:23 <_av500_> ah: Accelerate Framework, which contains C APIs for vector and matrix math, digital signal processing, large number handling, and image processing. Aug 27 13:41:34 <_av500_> there are some libraries here and there Aug 27 13:41:37 there is some benchmark between ubuntu and angstrom and they say ubuntu does not use neon (but only vfp) and is about 10% slower on compression Aug 27 13:41:46 NEON is an SIMD instruction set introduced by ARM for v7 Aug 27 13:41:57 <_av500_> yes Aug 27 13:42:09 <_av500_> Anguel: most probably nonsense Aug 27 13:42:17 <_av500_> most benchmarks are Aug 27 13:42:21 :-) Aug 27 13:42:55 wheezy-armhf/v3.8.13-bone26 is base on which linux kernel? Aug 27 13:43:26 <_av500_> Torvalds' Linux? Aug 27 13:43:35 i mean which version Aug 27 13:43:35 LOL Aug 27 13:43:37 HAHA Aug 27 13:43:50 <_av500_> maybe v3.8.13? Aug 27 13:43:54 hopefully not kangs linux Aug 27 13:43:55 <_av500_> just guessing Aug 27 13:44:00 err. no Aug 27 13:44:08 www.kernel.org.. doest have that Aug 27 13:44:21 <_av500_> and no other kernel ever existed? Aug 27 13:44:57 hmm: https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.x/ChangeLog-3.8.13 Aug 27 13:46:17 please don't flame.. I am noob :( Aug 27 13:46:41 me too, just googled :-) Aug 27 13:47:26 any benchmarks how long it should take to flash eMMC from SD class 10 card? Aug 27 13:47:39 <_av500_> ubuntu does it 10% slower Aug 27 13:47:56 <_av500_> I heard Aug 27 13:48:13 its's angstrom, it will flash in neon color when done I heard ;) Aug 27 13:50:10 btw, is it normal that ssh and ethernet over usb did not work when I booted the angstrom 2013-06-20 image? do i have to reinstall the windows drivers? Aug 27 13:50:31 i booted it from SD Aug 27 13:51:10 serial over USB and mass storage worked ok Aug 27 14:10:26 HI There. half an hour ago I had problems with my network connection. Now it's working again. I did another reboot. Now it works. Now I'm standing here with egg on my face. But finally it works!! Aug 27 14:19:47 * norbi says hi to everyone! Aug 27 14:22:15 guys, whats the difference between device tree overlay and sysfs ? i know that sysfs is the user side and the device tree contains the structs, but if i start programming in C then wich form i should use for accessing PWM for example or ADC? simple file manipulation is the normal way of writing programms for the BBB, or there is any other more recommended way of doing that? Aug 27 14:28:26 if my hardware is not compatible with any standard, then i cannot use device tree overlay, right? device tree contains linux compatible data structs wich are loading drivers for the compatible device Aug 27 14:29:12 i could use device tree overlay in case i would write a device tree driver for my hardware/ Aug 27 14:29:13 ? Aug 27 14:29:22 can someone explain this to me briefly? Aug 27 14:30:07 <_av500_> one describes the hardware Aug 27 14:30:12 <_av500_> the other allows to access it Aug 27 14:33:38 norbi: you load a device tree overlay to reconfigure the BBB devices (pinmux) and load the appropriate drivers into kernel. then you can use sysfs or ioctls with /dev/ nodes to interact with the drivers. Aug 27 14:33:49 the rest you can google easily. Aug 27 14:36:35 Vaizki: thanks Aug 27 14:36:43 ioctls means not much to me atm Aug 27 14:37:59 <_av500_> no need Aug 27 14:38:03 <_av500_> they mean a lot to google Aug 27 14:38:54 _av500_: :) yea i found it Aug 27 14:39:22 just one thing i dont get, why do i even need to reconfigure BBB pinmux? Aug 27 14:39:38 because all the pins have multiple possible functions Aug 27 14:39:56 Vaizki: yes i know that one pin ca be gpio or pwm for example Aug 27 14:39:59 like uarts, i2c, spi, adc, sound, hdmi, etc Aug 27 14:40:19 if you are happy with the defaults tjem- Aug 27 14:40:28 hello Aug 27 14:40:31 so if i want to enable spi i have to make a device tree overlay? Aug 27 14:40:40 <_av500_> or load an existing one Aug 27 14:40:42 <_av500_> but yes Aug 27 14:41:04 but if i have a pin with spi on it, i dont have to overlay the device tree, right? Aug 27 14:41:23 <_av500_> ? Aug 27 14:41:31 <_av500_> you need an SPI device in the kernel Aug 27 14:41:31 err.. well it's only there because the default device tree then maps it that way Aug 27 14:41:32 BBB is anyway configured to have one spi, 6pwm active at default for example Aug 27 14:41:37 <_av500_> wither in the default DT or loaded Aug 27 14:41:45 <_av500_> either Aug 27 14:41:56 the default dt is loaded by uboot and given to the kernel Aug 27 14:42:09 is there any linux distro that supports reading from a mjpeg usb camera at over 12 fps? I have tried debian/ubuntu with no luck. Doesn't seem to matter what resolution I choose either. Aug 27 14:42:10 you can also make your own default dt if you want Aug 27 14:42:22 i know i sound stupid, but this is a large topic for a noob like me Aug 27 14:42:27 q4tester: reading over what? over http no problem Aug 27 14:42:37 just reading frames with v4l2 Aug 27 14:42:38 <_av500_> q4tester: why does that depens on the distro? Aug 27 14:42:45 i try to figure them out fast and not eating your time with it as much is possible Aug 27 14:42:49 <_av500_> norbi: np Aug 27 14:42:51 oh right ub Aug 27 14:42:53 usb Aug 27 14:43:01 I've only used IP-cams my bad Aug 27 14:43:05 I'm not sure why there is a bottleneck, just thought I'd ask the pros. Aug 27 14:43:24 we'll let them know you dropped by Aug 27 14:43:52 also i cant find apache2 package, i mean ive seen it in package list i guess, but opkg install apache2 wont work, any idea? Aug 27 14:44:09 <_av500_> opkg update Aug 27 14:44:15 <_av500_> are you yure you want apache? Aug 27 14:44:20 _av500_: why not/ Aug 27 14:44:20 <_av500_> and not something more lightweight Aug 27 14:44:37 <_av500_> q4tester: no idea Aug 27 14:44:38 _av500_: i tried to install lighttp, but it gets stuck Aug 27 14:44:43 <_av500_> best is to debug it :) Aug 27 14:45:03 You'd think I could read 1920x1080 over usb 2.0 at 30 fps like on my desktop but I always seem to get capped at 12 fps on the beaglebone black. I've read things on forums about how the usb chip is buggy, just wondering if that is true or just rumours. Aug 27 14:45:15 <_av500_> depends Aug 27 14:45:20 <_av500_> you read mjpg? Aug 27 14:45:22 <_av500_> or raw? Aug 27 14:45:23 _av500_: it starts to install but it stays there even 3 hours without any progression Aug 27 14:45:25 mjpeg Aug 27 14:45:41 <_av500_> norbi: file a bug Aug 27 14:45:44 <_av500_> aka yell at koen Aug 27 14:45:45 tried 3 usb cameras, all the same, 12 fps max at 320x240 or 1920x1080 Aug 27 14:46:03 <_av500_> 12 fps is emough Aug 27 14:46:06 <_av500_> solved Aug 27 14:46:07 <_av500_> next! Aug 27 14:46:08 _av500_: should i google now what is ¨yell at koen¨ ? :D Aug 27 14:46:16 lol Aug 27 14:46:19 eh ya Aug 27 14:46:25 koen :D i know now, he is here Aug 27 14:46:34 <_av500_> google koen Aug 27 14:46:38 <_av500_> google everything Aug 27 14:46:44 _av500_: :)) Aug 27 14:46:50 * _av500_ googles the way to the bathroom Aug 27 14:46:56 _av500_ : does that mean you are not sure or is there a known issue that I should be aware of? Aug 27 14:46:57 koen: can you help me with the httpd ?:d Aug 27 14:47:07 <_av500_> q4tester: correct Aug 27 14:47:38 hi. how many cores has the beagle board black? Aug 27 14:47:59 q4tester: there is no usb "chip" Aug 27 14:48:10 I read that the old 3.2 kernel you could get 30 fps but 3.8 broke usb speeds for the sake of compatibility but not sure if it's true. Aug 27 14:48:11 it's integrated on the cpu or soc as it's called Aug 27 14:48:15 _av500_: i can yell at koen as much as i want, its friday and koen wont talk :D Aug 27 14:48:18 ^^ Aug 27 14:49:10 btw english is not my native language, not even by far, im hungarian so it passes a time until it clamps what are u saying Aug 27 14:49:24 <_av500_> np Aug 27 14:49:55 * norbi gives a hug to _av500_ Aug 27 14:50:16 hugnarian Aug 27 14:50:21 i guess I'll try angstrom again, maybe I'll have better luck. Aug 27 14:50:25 <_av500_> give me hungarian salami rather Aug 27 14:50:26 Vaizki: :)) Aug 27 14:50:35 <_av500_> q4tester: I guess its a kernel thing Aug 27 14:50:41 <_av500_> and kernels dont differ much there Aug 27 14:50:49 anybody running the android 4.1.2 from ti for the beagle yet? Aug 27 14:50:49 <_av500_> distro chasing is the wrong approach Aug 27 14:50:53 hmmm Aug 27 14:51:08 so I should revert to 3.2 kernel ? Aug 27 14:51:25 <_av500_> changing distros is most helping when deciding what is the most horrible UI Aug 27 14:51:29 <_av500_> (these days) Aug 27 14:51:31 lol Aug 27 14:51:41 oh god i have to learn about kernels, i aint hearing anything else from you then ¨kernel, kernel, kernel¨ Aug 27 14:51:46 rowboat seems to have it resolved but not sure if it's compatible with the beaglebone black yet Aug 27 14:52:04 q4tester: best would be for you to compile a few kernel versions yourself and test, then report Aug 27 14:52:09 what? Aug 27 14:52:24 oh sorry rowboat Aug 27 14:52:30 they should really sensor all blasphemy/swearing/crude talk on mirc Aug 27 14:52:39 lol Aug 27 14:52:40 I was thinking gummiboot solves it :D Aug 27 14:52:48 I've been on irc since 93, used to it Aug 27 14:52:51 _av500_: you like kolbász ? Aug 27 14:52:59 <_av500_> norbi: kernel is where all the fun is Aug 27 14:53:18 I havn't Aug 27 14:53:39 <_av500_> koen: I like sremska kobasica but I take the hungarian substitute too Aug 27 14:53:58 q4tester: which kernel are you running now? Aug 27 14:54:33 _av500_: I have my parents bring back kolbász whenever they visit hungary Aug 27 14:54:42 goes great with mashed potatoes Aug 27 14:55:11 <_av500_> I dont spoil it with potatoes Aug 27 14:56:58 <_av500_> q4tester: so, dig in and find out Aug 27 15:00:42 any idea which is the latest angstrom that supports 3d? just wanted to test it Aug 27 15:01:39 <_av500_> none Aug 27 15:02:44 _av500_: none regarding 3d? Aug 27 15:03:07 <_av500_> correct Aug 27 15:04:29 hmm, but his guy here is showing it (@ 10 min) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXTJC-_rlMY&feature=share&list=PLF4A1A7E09E5E260A Aug 27 15:05:37 ask him? Aug 27 15:06:19 <_av500_> QT happily uses SW for 3d rendering Aug 27 15:06:48 why does everyone want to do 3D gfx on their BBB... Aug 27 15:07:20 he uses 2012.11.22, just wanted to see how it looks :-) Aug 27 15:07:37 <_av500_> maybe 2012 had 3d Aug 27 15:07:44 <_av500_> but not 3.8 kernel Aug 27 15:07:46 <_av500_> koen might know Aug 27 15:08:12 I also think so, I think koen told me yesterday that the latest kernel does not support it Aug 27 15:08:26 <_av500_> correct Aug 27 15:12:05 prp^2: howdy! back to life you are? Aug 27 15:15:18 there's a rumour TI is developing the sgx stuff against 3.12 Aug 27 15:15:47 I'd give that rumour the same treatment as the firm statement that said "kernel support will be done with 3.8" Aug 27 15:17:14 hrhrhr Aug 27 16:02:22 * mranostay spots a LetoThe2nd Aug 27 16:35:45 emeb_mac: FPGA tuesday Aug 27 16:36:00 mranostay: every day is FPGA day! Aug 27 16:37:10 Virtex-7's for everyone Aug 27 16:37:31 emeb: except ASIC Sunday Aug 27 16:37:39 and CPLD Thursday Aug 27 16:42:30 hi Aug 27 16:42:38 I have beaglebone A3 Aug 27 16:42:51 I am wishing to work on camera driver Aug 27 16:42:56 anybody has idea Aug 27 16:43:04 how can i start Aug 27 16:43:27 is there cape available that i can purchase for beagle bone A3 Aug 27 16:46:34 hi anyone here Aug 27 16:46:34 ?? Aug 27 16:46:34 Please mail me hrishiikesh231987@gmail.com Aug 27 16:46:34 hi frans Aug 27 16:46:34 http://beagleboardtoys.info/index.php?title=BeagleBone_3.1MP_Camera Aug 27 16:46:58 hi emeb Aug 27 16:47:13 hi Aug 27 16:47:39 Hej! Who's using Angstrom vs. another OS on BBB? Aug 27 16:48:06 actually..i have gone through this Link itss..useful Aug 27 16:48:08 reallly Aug 27 16:48:11 thanks Aug 27 16:48:43 as i have the board.. can i buy the cape Aug 27 16:48:45 only Aug 27 16:49:14 i went to element 14 .. but it has both board along with cape Aug 27 16:51:12 u htere Aug 27 16:51:14 there Aug 27 16:51:44 are you asking a question? Aug 27 16:51:54 yeah Aug 27 16:52:05 can i get only camera module Aug 27 16:52:08 ? Aug 27 16:52:38 you want to buy just the camera cape? Aug 27 16:52:43 y Aug 27 16:53:30 http://www.element14.com/community/community/knode/single-board_computers/next-gen_beaglebone?view=overview%20Camera%E2%80%8F Aug 27 16:53:35 i have this link Aug 27 16:53:48 but its along with board and out of stock Aug 27 16:53:59 http://boardzoo.com/index.php/beaglebone/bone-31mp-camera.html Aug 27 16:57:07 one min Aug 27 16:58:54 hii Aug 27 16:58:56 thanks Aug 27 16:59:07 Note: This cape is functional with BeagleBone Black but requires boot from SD card. Aug 27 16:59:21 hey will this be compatible wit A3 Aug 27 17:02:02 ok Aug 27 17:03:24 Hello. I'm having trouble getting audio through HDMI on the BBB in Ubuntu. I purchased a Panlong HDMI Audio Extractor which shows that it has power with a frequency sweep, but aplay doesn't give sound output. Can you help me troubleshoot? Aug 27 17:08:24 Does HDMI audio on the beaglebone black in Ubuntu require HDMI video? Aug 27 17:11:07 HI People Aug 27 17:11:58 Beagle bone black[am3358] & beagle bone white[am3359] Aug 27 17:12:09 whats the Major difference Aug 27 17:12:10 ? Aug 27 17:12:13 arthur_: hdmi always requires video to transmit audio Aug 27 17:12:24 it's a horrible kludge Aug 27 17:12:25 are the Cape interchangable Aug 27 17:12:36 Specifically Aug 27 17:12:40 Camera 3.1 Aug 27 17:13:12 BBB is faster, cheaper, newer and has HDMI + built in 2GB flash but no built in usb serial Aug 27 17:13:21 capes.. google it Aug 27 17:15:49 Vaiz ..thanls Aug 27 17:15:51 thanks Aug 27 17:16:14 we please to aim. Aug 27 17:16:20 Ok any ..Pointer for pin multiplexing Aug 27 17:16:24 for camera Aug 27 17:16:25 ? Aug 27 17:16:31 @Vaiz Aug 27 17:16:31 Vaizki: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/196 Aug 27 17:16:43 ^^should be done by the eeprom I believe Aug 27 17:16:47 on BBB Aug 27 17:18:22 has anyone gotten uart hardware flow control working on the BBB, btw? I have it working but there's a delay that make it unusable, I don't think "auto-rts/cts" is enabled. Aug 27 17:19:26 Vaizki: The adapter that I purchased has only audio outputs: http://www.amazon.com/Panlong-Extractor-Decoder-Digital-Adapter/dp/B00DMZOUVK . Is there a way to still use the adapter? Aug 27 17:20:17 Guyss..fast tipsss for configuring ..camera 3.1 Aug 27 17:20:43 BB Aug 27 17:21:12 arthur__: yea that should work. it will probably tell the other end of the hdmi that it's a 720p display or something and just throw away the image data Aug 27 17:21:23 hdmi has the audio in the horizontal blanking period Aug 27 17:21:37 so without picture, no blanking periods to hide audio in :) Aug 27 17:21:49 anyway I'm off& Aug 27 17:22:15 Still, my adapter won't play any audio and I'm having problems troubleshooting. Aug 27 17:22:20 Vaizki: thanks, though! Aug 27 17:47:50 Still troubleshooting BBB HDMI audio using audio extractor. alsamixer says "This sound device does not have any controls". aplay seems to play normally, but with no audio. aplay through my USB audio device works correctly, so the problem is specific to HDMI audio output. Can someone suggest troubleshooting steps? Aug 27 17:53:28 arthur__: ask the alsa guys Aug 27 17:53:40 arthur__: i doubt anyone here has experience with that kind of stuff Aug 27 17:54:20 apropos doubt... some indian has to explain me somewhen where this "i have a doubt" idiom comes from... Aug 27 17:55:54 KotH: where is my chocolate and hug? Aug 27 17:56:13 http://web.archive.org/web/20080309071050/http://www.numenorean.net/blog/archives/2006/07/vishys_indian_e_33.html Aug 27 17:57:11 Russ: interesting Aug 27 17:57:13 Russ: thanks! Aug 27 17:57:18 mranostay: no chocolate for you! Aug 27 17:57:23 mranostay: and definitly no hugs! Aug 27 17:57:26 damn Aug 27 17:58:02 english is used pretty extensively in india, but its certainly its own dialect Aug 27 17:58:15 mranostay: unless you pledge your alliance to the delicious chocolate troll and abjure hersheys! Aug 27 17:58:56 sure i can lie to get hugs Aug 27 17:59:23 KotH: thanks much! Aug 27 17:59:27 Russ: yes, i learned that early in my university career Aug 27 18:00:05 Russ: once i was standing in line behind two indians. it took me 10 minutes to realize they were not talking hindi or something, but english Aug 27 18:02:47 always weird when you sneeze and something oopses Aug 27 18:03:26 you learn not to sneeze when measuring high voltage electronics :) Aug 27 18:06:35 Sneeze of Death(tm) Aug 27 18:07:40 ...reproduction steps... Aug 27 18:07:51 "please sneeze once" Aug 27 18:08:13 heh single sneezes are rare in my experience Aug 27 18:08:18 sneeze once between those two plates charged to 50kV Aug 27 18:08:20 usually double Aug 27 18:08:35 *brzzzzzzzzp* Aug 27 18:09:48 I've had big problems with the USB audio host in Ubuntu getting corrupted with a hard shutdown. I tried to add a battery backup via the pins to allow the BBB to shutdown gracefully. When I pulled the power, though, I couldn't restart the BBB by adding power back. It went into a low power mode but didn't shut off completely. Aug 27 18:10:09 Is there an easy way to make the BBB shutdown fully but gracefully when power is pulled with a battery backup Aug 27 18:10:16 so that it can restart when power is added back? Aug 27 18:10:36 dm8tbr: i dont think you can get near enough anything charged at 50kV to sneeze at it Aug 27 18:10:49 dm8tbr: the sparks in your ears will keep you away from it :) Aug 27 18:11:16 arthur__: afaik the PMIC is supposed to signal that condition to the cpu Aug 27 18:12:22 KotH: I think the CPU did shut down, but the PMIC didn't see adding back 5V as a signal to power up again Aug 27 18:12:41 also, the sys_5V power rail stayed on after CPU shutdown Aug 27 18:13:51 KotH: well 20dB less.. 5kV better? Aug 27 18:14:23 dm8tbr: make it 10kV and it'll be purrrfect :) Aug 27 18:14:51 puuuurrrrrrzzzzap Aug 27 18:15:12 * dm8tbr could offer 4kV 3A Aug 27 18:15:20 that's also some serious stuff Aug 27 18:17:58 nearly as serious as chocolate Aug 27 18:19:14 * mranostay thinks KotH enjoys chocolate more he does beer Aug 27 18:20:23 mranostay: probably Aug 27 18:21:04 mranostay: but i eat chocolate mostly together with friends, while talking about stuff Aug 27 18:21:17 s/chocolate/beer/ Aug 27 18:21:26 hmm? Aug 27 18:21:31 you eat beer? ;) Aug 27 18:21:32 for me :) Aug 27 18:21:36 yeah i noticed that Aug 27 18:24:06 well.. ze germans call beer "liquid bread" :) Aug 27 18:29:03 KotH: thanks for your help Aug 27 18:38:19 KotH: german all things! Aug 27 18:39:30 mmm chocolate Aug 27 18:41:28 * mranostay rolls some german tanks into .ch Aug 27 18:42:07 * Spirilis watches tanks roll off cliff first Aug 27 18:42:10 mranostay: you know, there is german village, that is regularly invaded by swiss tanks Aug 27 18:42:43 Stupid q... but where can i find a pinout that shows the serial ports? have googled for it... Aug 27 18:42:55 mranostay: it happens so often, that neither the germans complain about it, nor the swiss report it to the germans :) Aug 27 18:42:55 been told there is 4 of them Aug 27 18:43:12 Bo_DK: read the TRM Aug 27 18:43:37 did that..... and did not find the ports... will continue on google Aug 27 18:44:40 KotH: you guys have a history of forgetting where the borders are for military drills :) Aug 27 18:44:42 there was this one: http://beagleboard.org/static/images/cape-headers-serial.png Aug 27 18:45:09 then this: http://letsmakerobots.com/files/userpics/u19048/B_3PinOut3.png Aug 27 18:45:10 mranostay: well, it's a german enclave near a swiss tank training ground Aug 27 18:45:21 mranostay: people tend to miss a turn often there Aug 27 18:45:28 that was the part that confused me Aug 27 18:45:28 KotH: germany has a enclave within .ch? Aug 27 18:45:35 juup Aug 27 18:46:01 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCsingen_am_Hochrhein Aug 27 18:46:24 mranostay: although they call it "hochrhein" it's "niederrhein" for the swiss ;) Aug 27 18:48:27 KotH: ah only by 700 meters Aug 27 18:49:11 700m and a village :) Aug 27 18:50:31 KotH: must have interesting before the Schengen region Aug 27 18:51:11 mranostay: .ch, .at and .fr had so called green borders Aug 27 18:51:43 mranostay: ie, travell within these countries was simplified a lot. no passports needed and no customs papers for personal belongings Aug 27 18:52:25 mranostay: it got actually a bit more complicated after schengen, because schengen demanded strict controls at the border and .ch wasnt part of schengen Aug 27 18:53:11 mranostay: european border politics are a lot of fun Aug 27 18:53:31 mranostay: i guess you have all these sports crazyness because you dont have these small quarells to keep you busy ;) Aug 27 18:53:49 mranostay: you, as in you usians Aug 27 18:54:58 KotH: don't make us come bomb you Aug 27 18:55:51 mranostay: thanks, we dont need your fake democracy. we have achieved true democracy in switzerland ;) Aug 27 18:56:02 hah Aug 27 18:56:14 no such thing Aug 27 18:57:04 there is a fake democracy Aug 27 18:57:17 you are a republic but claim to be democracy Aug 27 19:00:17 * georgem face palms at systemd Aug 27 19:00:33 don't facepalm the future! Aug 27 19:00:51 Tried not to but I just found/fixed another major bug Aug 27 19:09:22 mranostay: It's okay, nothing to fear. I'll save the world from systemd one bug at a time :P. Either that or I'll end up like the guy that ran in front of the tank at Tiananmen Square. Aug 27 19:14:05 i can tell you which one is more fun to watch..... :P Aug 27 19:14:21 heh Aug 27 19:15:23 georgem: chinese prisons can't be that bad right? Aug 27 19:15:23 i'm for the tienamen square guy! Aug 27 19:15:29 +1 Aug 27 19:17:53 georgem: don't you guys have a famous prison there? :P Aug 27 19:19:03 yeah... Leavenworth Aug 27 19:20:14 what is it with you usians and your fixation on prisons? ;) Aug 27 19:21:53 * mranostay arrests KotH Aug 27 19:22:08 for illegal chocolate smuggling Aug 27 19:24:13 that's all for personal use only! Aug 27 19:24:59 just take a bit out of each bar ahead of time Aug 27 19:25:09 bite* Aug 27 19:25:32 dont tell that mranostay, or he'll walk around with a piece of furniture Aug 27 19:26:33 heh Aug 27 19:31:30 * mranostay hurls chairs into the room Aug 27 19:32:19 you're supposed to yell about developers Aug 27 19:33:41 Ah - there is the type-in box! Hi All, I can't see anything on my HDMI port of my BBB. Seems to be a common thread and I've done pretty much everything recommended. Is it DOA? Aug 27 19:51:17 * dm8tbr likes: http://ruby.zigzo.com/2013/02/24/ydd-guidelines-yolo-driven-development/ Aug 27 19:51:28 # Don't describe what you're trying to do, just ask random questions on how to do it. YOLO Aug 27 19:58:36 Heusenstamm is a beautiful place this time of year I would imagine Aug 27 20:01:44 tacon: you nick is one letter from awesome Aug 27 20:09:35 mranostay: sadly taco was already taken Aug 27 20:10:03 bacon! Aug 27 20:10:49 oh Aug 27 20:10:54 yeah bacon is pretty awesome too Aug 27 20:17:44 What about Macon, GA. Its pretty awesome too in a not really awesome at all kind of way. Aug 27 20:18:48 * SpeedEvil looks at his aircon. Aug 27 20:19:01 which is not awesome. (It's a fan) Aug 27 21:02:50 when trying to bitbake virtual/kernel, I keep getting this error when trying to compile pseudo... pseudo_wrappers.c:62:14: error: conflicting types for 'program_invocation_short_name' . Any hints? Aug 27 21:16:43 Hey, does the http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.08.21.img.xz link work for you? Aug 27 21:17:13 I can download the eMMC flasher version, but the SD-version seems to be a dead link Aug 27 21:24:07 ramaship: they are being updated Aug 27 21:25:46 thx for the information. Is there a changelog? I just found changelog-20120509-20120618.txt Aug 27 21:29:32 what ethernet chipset does the beaglebone black use? Aug 27 21:29:47 When I am using an older version like the 2013.07.31.img Is it possible to apply the changes made in version 2013.08.21.img without loading the whole new image. I do not want to set up my system everytime. Will the 'opkg update' 'opkg upgrade'apply the same changes? Aug 27 21:50:41 the bone uses the AM3359 chipset Aug 27 21:54:13 ramaship: best option, backup your SD card then try it Aug 27 21:54:26 ramaship: s/sd/emmc/ Aug 27 22:06:02 so, i'm guessing the 8-21 demo image was a fail? Aug 27 22:06:07 the link at http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ is dead. Aug 27 22:07:50 i heard it is being updated ;) Aug 27 22:08:15 was there last week :-\ Aug 27 22:08:25 err..maybe not. Aug 27 22:08:43 kinda strange to put a non working link. you'd assume it was some live view of a directory. Aug 27 22:09:00 do you know if building the demo image works yet? Aug 27 22:09:22 (wasn't about two weeks ago) Aug 27 22:10:50 hoping they have the power button working in the next image. Aug 27 22:16:27 dang. bbb sd is sensitive. every time i hard reset, flash gets corrupted. Aug 27 23:03:11 Does beagleboard have any method of SATA support? Aug 27 23:10:01 no. unless you use a SATA to USB bridge adapter Aug 27 23:35:58 * georgem_home tosses a KC Pils to mranostay Aug 27 23:41:55 * mranostay stabs georgem_home Aug 27 23:42:06 kansas city beer? ew Aug 27 23:44:42 * georgem_home tosses mranostay an M67 Aug 28 00:03:26 hmm. Aug 28 00:03:39 m67 has a mass of over 1000 suns. Aug 28 00:03:46 that's some arm. Aug 28 00:05:00 wrong m67 Aug 28 00:16:21 the M67 is a MegaSparc? Aug 28 00:20:30 pru_evtout_2: The update is not a fail. The eMMC version of 8-21 works fine. Aug 28 00:38:29 Anyone know how to enable the spi device in the Yocto build for the beaglebone black? Aug 28 00:39:40 I notice that there is no muxing done in the device tree files .. Aug 28 00:44:59 brm: if you are asking how to enable spi character device driver, it is enabled already in the build Aug 28 00:45:19 brm: if you need to enable a specific SPI channel, there is a how to page on elinux.org Aug 28 00:45:38 brm: http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Black_Enable_SPIDEV Aug 28 00:46:12 prpplague: But I don't have a /dev/spixxxx entry? Aug 28 00:48:59 prpplague: Ahh, so that link you pasted requires some DT entries and then the device appear? Aug 28 00:57:01 prpplague: what if I want to use the kernel space driver though? Aug 28 01:29:03 Hmmmm **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 28 02:59:58 2013