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Aug 29 03:04:08 <pru_evtout_2> wtf, set my ip statically, then watched as dhcpd tried to lease it out, failing over and over and over again.
Aug 29 03:07:52 <pru_evtout_2> hrmm, doesn't look like dhcp cares what client thinks of the ip address.
Aug 29 03:22:07 <pru_evtout_2> so, it seems that multiple beaglebones over usb can't really work
Aug 29 03:22:12 <pru_evtout_2> unless you give each beaglebone its own subnet
Aug 29 03:22:28 <pru_evtout_2> so, the alternative is to daisy chain them! :D
Aug 29 03:22:42 <pru_evtout_2> and set up a bridge between the interfaces.
Aug 29 03:23:41 <pru_evtout_2> so, each board would need a bridge between eth0 and usb0 and eth0 and eth1. eth1 being the other beaglebone.
Aug 29 03:28:29 <pru_evtout_2> doable if you're not powering the beaglebones from usb.
Aug 29 03:41:27 <spikebike> any recommendations on a tool to help design a wiring diagram for a BBB, 2 relays, 2 magnetic switches, and 3 temp sensors?
Aug 29 04:06:36 <spikebike> hrm, for a 1-wire interface can you direct connect to a GPIO pin?
Aug 29 04:07:12 <spikebike> I see someone claiming you need a 4.7k pull-up resistor.
Aug 29 04:20:42 <Guest2724> any suggestion to run a custom OS in the beagleboard black ?
Aug 29 04:21:11 <ds2> suggestion?
Aug 29 04:22:44 <Guest2724> yup , instead of running android or ubuntu , how to run a simple program ? Ex: controlling the Led or GPIO ?
Aug 29 04:23:07 <ds2> you can do that with via u-boot
Aug 29 04:23:16 <mrpackethead> ds-2. your being evil
Aug 29 04:23:23 <ds2> eh?
Aug 29 04:23:27 <ds2> that is the truth
Aug 29 04:23:36 <mrpackethead> it is the truth
Aug 29 04:23:47 <mrpackethead> Guest2724: do you not want to run an OS?
Aug 29 04:25:17 <mrpackethead> they never stay to get an answer
Aug 29 04:29:44 <spikebike> missed Guest
Aug 29 04:30:14 <spikebike> anyone know how hard it would be to get something like http://learn.adafruit.com/setting-up-io-python-library-on-beaglebone-black/gpio working on debian?
Aug 29 04:36:42 <dm8tbr> spikebike: not at all, just drop in place, done
Aug 29 04:37:22 <dm8tbr> pip install Adafruit_BBIO
Aug 29 04:38:10 <spikebike> dm8tbr: k, I was through off by https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11050
Aug 29 04:38:19 <spikebike> woudl the rasberry pi need it and the bbb not?
Aug 29 04:39:11 <dm8tbr> ECONTEXT?
Aug 29 04:39:22 <dm8tbr> what does hardware have to do with software
Aug 29 04:40:04 <spikebike> er what?
Aug 29 04:40:25 <spikebike> in the comments that temp sensors says " Does it need the 4.7k pull-up resistor?"
Aug 29 04:40:40 <spikebike> replies say "Yes it does. You can place the pullup at the Arduino or close to it, between 5V (or 3.3 if your Arduino is 3.3V)"
Aug 29 04:41:23 <spikebike> other comments say "he only thing you need is a 4.7k pull up tied between the power and data line. "
Aug 29 04:43:10 <mrpackethead> GPIO.wait_for_edge("P8_14", GPIO.RISING)  <-- horrah for blocking code
Aug 29 05:25:59 <david__> anybody uses QT on beaglebone black?
Aug 29 05:26:11 <dm8tbr> I'm sure somebody does
Aug 29 05:26:39 <dm8tbr> spikebike: you got me confused by talking about python code and then switching to hardware
Aug 29 05:27:05 <spikebike> oh, sorry.
Aug 29 05:27:27 <spikebike> my first question is how hard is it to get that pyhton code working on a vanilla linux instead of angstrom
Aug 29 05:27:40 <david__> I am starting with this, but I want to know if it is possible to control GPIO, ADC,....,...
Aug 29 05:27:54 <dm8tbr> the answer was 'pip install', so as long as there is python, it should work
Aug 29 05:27:58 <Sagar> can someone donate a beagle board to me
Aug 29 05:28:55 <dm8tbr> Sagar: I wish it would be that easy, still waiting for the donation of USD 1.000.000 to arrive in my bank account.
Aug 29 05:30:24 <Sagar> why is it so hard
Aug 29 05:30:25 <dm8tbr> david__: shouldn't be much different from other languages/libraries
Aug 29 05:31:12 <Sagar> dm8tbr why is it so hard
Aug 29 05:31:13 <dm8tbr> Sagar: I don't know either. after all 1 million, that's just smallchange, somebody surely should be able to spare that and donate it to me. (I'd then be happy to buy you a BBB too)
Aug 29 05:31:34 <Sagar> hmm...
Aug 29 05:37:08 <ka6sox> Sagar, why should someone donate a beagleboard to you?
Aug 29 05:44:16 <prpplague> spikebike: if you check the datasheet it recommends a strong pullup
Aug 29 05:44:43 <prpplague> spikebike:  the software configurable pullups internal to the am335x are not going to be strong enough to do the work
Aug 29 05:45:08 <prpplague> spikebike: there are a ton of existing examples on connect this device to a generic gpio under linux
Aug 29 05:45:27 <spikebike> so it's recommended to use pull ups?
Aug 29 05:46:48 <spikebike> kinda susprised most of the things I've seen where you buy a 1-wire and they mention using stamp/arduino/beagle board they don't say "buy this as well"
Aug 29 05:47:55 <prpplague> spikebike: looks like the pullup on the am335x is indeed strong enough
Aug 29 05:47:58 <prpplague> spikebike: http://hipstercircuits.com/dallas-one-wire-temperature-reading-on-beaglebone-black-with-dto/
Aug 29 05:48:09 <spikebike> ah, that's good news, thanks
Aug 29 05:48:13 * spikebike adds url to notes
Aug 29 05:48:40 <prpplague> <spikebike> kinda susprised most of the things I've seen where you buy a 1-wire and they mention using stamp/arduino/beagle board they don't say "buy this as well"
Aug 29 05:48:47 <prpplague> spikebike: it's called reading the datasheet
Aug 29 05:49:08 <ka6sox> prpplague, +1
Aug 29 05:49:58 <Sagar> ka6sox why shouldn't ???????
Aug 29 05:50:16 <koen> ka6sox: pong
Aug 29 05:50:20 <ka6sox> Sagar, you haven't given us any reason to.
Aug 29 05:50:45 <ka6sox> koen, Gerald answered the question...it was a question about the image mirror
Aug 29 05:50:55 <spikebike> prpplague: mostly because I didn't know what the 4.7k pullup actually did, nor what number/terms would indicate that it should or should not work.
Aug 29 05:51:11 <spikebike> sadly in many cases I can't find a data sheet.
Aug 29 05:51:15 <Sagar> i'm interested in devopling 3d printer and i don't have enough money to do that
Aug 29 05:51:23 <Sagar> so asking for help
Aug 29 05:51:50 <prpplague> spikebike: hmm uh it's right there on the page you linked
Aug 29 05:52:14 <spikebike> yes in that case, but I didn't know what terms described compatibility
Aug 29 05:52:34 <spikebike> I'm pretty new to the hardware side, so I get 3V != 5V
Aug 29 05:52:43 <spikebike> I've been puzzling over: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0057OC5O8
Aug 29 05:53:00 <spikebike> seems unclear if a 3.3V GPIO will trigger the relay or not
Aug 29 05:53:17 <spikebike> and the mentioned https://s3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/sain-amzn/20/20-018-101/4+Relay+Module.rar has surprisingly littl einfo
Aug 29 05:53:37 <spikebike> not sure if 5V for power implies 5V is necessary for signalling
Aug 29 05:53:59 <spikebike> but it seems widly claimed that a 3.3V GPIO will work with it
Aug 29 05:54:26 <prpplague> spikebike: well first of all, if you are new to electronics, then you need to purchase known good devices from a reputable dealer even if it is more expensive because it will come with documentation
Aug 29 05:55:22 <spikebike> well I'm all for the "known good devices", that one seems well reviewed and was used in a few projects that sounded promising
Aug 29 05:55:26 <ka6sox> Sagar, have you seen the BeBoPr?
Aug 29 05:56:27 <prpplague> spikebike: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
Aug 29 05:58:32 <spikebike> BBB to control 2 relays (one to control garage door, one to control attic fan), 2 magnetic switches (one to tell if door is up, one to tell if door is down), and read 3 temp (1-wire) sensors for attic, inside, and outside.
Aug 29 05:59:03 <spikebike> General goal of turning on attic fan when it saves me money, scream if the garage is open too long, and possibly let me auth from my phone to open door
Aug 29 05:59:07 <Sagar> ka6sox i am seeing it now
Aug 29 06:01:23 <Sagar> ka6sox can u tell me the price of that
Aug 29 06:01:43 <prpplague> spikebike: pretty ambitious for first project
Aug 29 06:02:04 <prpplague> spikebike: if you look at the top of the relays they are marked as 5VDC
Aug 29 06:02:19 <prpplague> spikebike: which means you need to supply +5V for the relays
Aug 29 06:02:28 <ka6sox> Sagar, I cannot...
Aug 29 06:02:34 <ka6sox> Sagar, what country are you in?
Aug 29 06:02:46 <Sagar> india
Aug 29 06:02:50 <spikebike> prpplague: I've played with 1-wire before (ibuttons of various types) via usb.  But yeah I figure I'll buy what I need and first just try to get a signal magnetic switch working.
Aug 29 06:02:50 <prpplague> spikebike: and if you check the schematic you can see that you can operate the relay at+5V, and use the jumper on the side to provide +3v3 for the gpio
Aug 29 06:03:11 <spikebike> ah, that sounds promising
Aug 29 06:03:29 <spikebike> was that in the rar?  Not sure if it's displaying proposely, I get zero text.
Aug 29 06:04:05 <prpplague> the schematic was in the rar
Aug 29 06:04:16 <spikebike> ya 4 channel relay.pdf
Aug 29 06:04:38 <ka6sox> Sagar, I think Bas (the developer) is in .nl...but I don't know who is marketing the boards.
Aug 29 06:05:18 <prpplague> ka6sox: we are selling the stock we have
Aug 29 06:05:39 <ka6sox> prpplague, can you say who "we" is?
Aug 29 06:05:44 <prpplague> ka6sox: but we don't provide warranty or support
Aug 29 06:06:15 <prpplague> ka6sox: circuitco
Aug 29 06:06:18 <prpplague> ka6sox: http://boardzoo.com/index.php/beaglebone/bone-bebopr.html
Aug 29 06:06:34 <spikebike> prpplague: but yeah I'm digging around locally for someone who is more familiar with the details, reading schematics, dtasheets, and the related details.
Aug 29 06:06:57 <ka6sox> Sagar, there you go!
Aug 29 06:07:02 <spikebike> was planning on http://www.amazon.com/Directed-Electronics-8601-Magnetic-Switch/dp/B0009SUF08
Aug 29 06:07:26 <Sagar> where ka6sox
Aug 29 06:07:26 <spikebike> and 3x  https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11050
Aug 29 06:08:17 <ka6sox> Sagar, [23:06] 	<prpplague>	ka6sox: http://boardzoo.com/index.php/beaglebone/bone-bebopr.html
Aug 29 06:11:03 <Sagar> ka6sox hey that's too costly.How do u expect me to buy a 8000INR product when I can't buy a beagle board worth 45$
Aug 29 06:12:56 <ka6sox> Sagar, explain, in detail, how you plan to use the Beagle for this project. Generalaties won't cut it...you need to Sell the idea of why someone would *want* to give you a Beagle.
Aug 29 06:13:45 <Sagar> since 3 years I had interest in making a 3d printer
Aug 29 06:14:10 <Sagar> i tried hard to get hold hold of it from nearby sources in my locality
Aug 29 06:14:27 <Sagar> r else atleast people who can help   me out in this project
Aug 29 06:14:35 <Sagar> none came forward
Aug 29 06:15:17 <spikebike> Sagar: well ideas are cheap.  You have to have some significant value for someone to want to risk buying something, sending it to you, and never seeing a result
Aug 29 06:15:42 <Sagar> here is what we'll do
Aug 29 06:15:51 <ka6sox> Sagar, do you have *any* of the parts you need for this?
Aug 29 06:15:59 <Sagar> send me the electronics for 3d printer and i'll get it done within no tym
Aug 29 06:16:35 <spikebike> and then *YOU* have a 3d printer, what's in it for the donor?
Aug 29 06:16:46 <spikebike> not like 3d printers are particularly rare
Aug 29 06:16:52 <Sagar> spikebike send me the electronics required for it and then in return I'll print a 3d printer for u and send it
Aug 29 06:17:03 <spikebike> ha
Aug 29 06:17:06 <spikebike> that's quite naive
Aug 29 06:17:13 <ka6sox> Sagar, do you have *any* of the parts you need at all?
Aug 29 06:17:18 <ka6sox> (its a simple question)
Aug 29 06:17:25 <Sagar> yes
Aug 29 06:17:31 <Sagar> stepper motors
Aug 29 06:17:42 <Sagar> and i just have to buy the extruder
Aug 29 06:18:00 <Sagar> after that everything is ready for assembly
Aug 29 06:18:29 <Sagar> spikebike naive!!!!!
Aug 29 06:19:01 <ka6sox> so why not a Sanginolulu board...or something that has drivers already?
Aug 29 06:19:13 <spikebike> you make printing a 3d printer from a 3d printer easy
Aug 29 06:19:21 <spikebike> you make printing a 3d printer from a 3d printer sound easy
Aug 29 06:20:27 <Sagar> @spikebike.I know that.To make a 3d printer I need to assemble the parts from a local vendor and if it's so easy end me a 3d printer
Aug 29 06:20:56 <Sagar> easier said than done @spikebike
Aug 29 06:22:02 <spikebike> Sagar: I get that your interested and motivated.  Still it doesn't seem like a compelling case that you'll be able to turn donated hardware into a 2nd 3d printer magically and pay back your donor with it
Aug 29 06:22:20 <ds2> 5V relays are fine
Aug 29 06:22:32 <ds2> you aren't going to be triggering anything from the GPIOs anyways
Aug 29 06:22:36 <Sagar> @spikebike is it about trust r about misuse
Aug 29 06:23:13 <Sagar> what aspects are u referring to @spikebike #compellingcase
Aug 29 06:24:25 <spikebike> sagar: make a website/document/kickstarter proposal.  What you want to do, what you need, what you have, your experience etc.  That would increase your odds of finding someong to send ya $$$ on the hope something cool happens
Aug 29 06:25:21 <Sagar> kickstarter is not for charity @spikebike.
Aug 29 06:25:32 <spikebike> Are you asking for charity?
Aug 29 06:25:54 <spikebike> I thought you were going to "print another 3d printer" and give it to the donor
Aug 29 06:26:12 <Sagar> I don't think people would instantly MAGICALLY come to your site and donate $$$
Aug 29 06:26:27 <Sagar> there are many 3d printers out there
Aug 29 06:26:39 <spikebike> I didn't promise instant, just suggesting what might help increase your odds
Aug 29 06:26:49 <spikebike> chatting random details on irc isn't likely to turn into $$$$
Aug 29 06:27:05 <Sagar> this one's for me and whoever get's to give me the electronics they get one
Aug 29 06:27:40 <Sagar> random details u were the one who suggested those things (put on kickstarter blah blah
Aug 29 06:28:05 <LetoThe2nd> Sagar: *hint* whoever is a) listening here b) wants a 3d printer and c) has the money to send parts to you is either capable of doing it himself or just buying one. so you're out of the game.
Aug 29 06:28:16 <spikebike> LetoThe2nd: agreed
Aug 29 06:28:20 <LetoThe2nd> Sagar: so please stop whining.
Aug 29 06:28:45 <spikebike> I'd be happy if I got enough help to get something working even if I pay for everything and pay for the help
Aug 29 06:29:54 <Sagar> if u are not interested in helping shut ur mouth @letothe2nd
Aug 29 06:30:18 <spikebike> Sagar: grow up
Aug 29 06:30:24 <Sagar> @spikebike u too
Aug 29 06:30:30 * spikebike sighs
Aug 29 06:30:51 <LetoThe2nd> Sagar: and like spikebike said - if you want to "sell" this as some kind of personal charity, then come up with something first that shows that you are actually able to do it. show your expertise. show your references. then advertise. babbling on irc and insulting folks will *certainly* not be helpful.
Aug 29 06:31:49 <ka6sox> He needs to work on his salesmanship :/
Aug 29 06:32:04 <LetoThe2nd> *sigh*
Aug 29 06:32:29 <LetoThe2nd> hello i i am vishnumarveesh from hyderabed india plz send me free hardware.
Aug 29 06:32:34 <LetoThe2nd> sure.
Aug 29 06:33:11 <spikebike> ha
Aug 29 06:33:12 <ka6sox> yes, I could have laughed...instead I wanted to see if he was able to convince us that it was worthwhile...
Aug 29 06:34:04 * spikebike works on tracking down more details for BBB, 3 temp sensors, 2 relays, and 2 switches.
Aug 29 06:34:24 <ka6sox> and 2 snubber diodes
Aug 29 06:34:35 <spikebike> speaking of which, anyone know of a BBB cape to allow for easier soldering to the headers?
Aug 29 06:34:43 <prpplague> spikebike: if you don't already have a blog or some such, please register at elinux.org to document your project
Aug 29 06:34:55 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: whoa you'Re still awake?
Aug 29 06:34:55 <ka6sox> prpplague, +1
Aug 29 06:35:25 <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: insomnia killing me lately
Aug 29 06:35:30 <spikebike> I'd prefer the result to be a bit more durable than your average wire inserted into a prototype board
Aug 29 06:35:36 <spikebike> prpplague: will do.
Aug 29 06:36:03 <prpplague> spikebike: boardzoo.com has a breakout board
Aug 29 06:36:11 <prpplague> spikebike: so do logicsuppy and adafruit
Aug 29 06:36:25 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: get drunk... and send me free hardware! ;)
Aug 29 06:36:35 <prpplague> hehe
Aug 29 06:36:59 <spikebike> oh I looked through adafruit, I'll check all 3 again
Aug 29 06:38:37 <KotH> a wonderfull CRUSADE everyone!
Aug 29 06:39:28 <prpplague> spikebike: http://boardzoo.com/index.php/beaglebone/bone-breadboard.html , http://www.adafruit.com/products/572 ,  http://www.logicsupply.com/products/cbb_proto
Aug 29 06:40:37 <spikebike> sweet, more URLs for my notes
Aug 29 06:41:07 <spikebike> I'm much better on the software side.  Already got the code to generate and sign an encrypted message to open the door ;-)
Aug 29 06:43:20 <ka6sox> mranostay, I can't get the 100pin part to make the speed yet...the 44pin part makes it...
Aug 29 06:43:32 <KotH> i'd like to have a BBB, would anyone donate one?
Aug 29 06:43:53 <KotH> i would do "stuff" with it, and you would gain my eternal gratitude!
Aug 29 06:43:59 <KotH> ;-)
Aug 29 06:44:12 <mranostay> KotH: i have a dead one does that help?
Aug 29 06:44:18 <ka6sox> tweaking the code and I'm not entirely sure that the pathways are fast enough with that part...
Aug 29 06:44:24 <KotH> mranostay: did you let the magic smoke out? :)
Aug 29 06:44:34 <mranostay> KotH: seems so
Aug 29 06:44:47 <spikebike> mranostay: touch the 5V to one of the 3.3V gpio pins?
Aug 29 06:44:49 <ka6sox> its pooping out at about 156Mhz
Aug 29 06:45:03 <mranostay> spikebike: unlikely. it stops booting now
Aug 29 06:45:27 <ka6sox> its probably that nasty eMMC...(j/k)
Aug 29 06:45:29 <mranostay> now that it is $45 it isn't worth RMAing the PMIC almost
Aug 29 06:45:45 <ka6sox> KotH, I propose a trade...Swiss Chocolate for BBB
Aug 29 06:45:59 <KotH> ka6sox: sounds good!
Aug 29 06:46:11 <KotH> ka6sox: do you come to elce? ;)
Aug 29 06:46:14 <mranostay> my favorite eff up was hitting a boost converter to a gpio
Aug 29 06:46:31 <mranostay> nixie breadboard..
Aug 29 06:46:58 * dm8tbr has to nix ELCE
Aug 29 06:47:32 <ka6sox> dm8tbr, you are striking out..thats a 2fer
Aug 29 06:47:38 <dm8tbr> our company has again announced layoffs and my assignment is more than shaky (20% of my time, yeah, that's great ain'tit)
Aug 29 06:47:40 <ka6sox> KotH, I can't
Aug 29 06:47:56 <mranostay> dm8tbr: you suck!
Aug 29 06:47:59 <KotH> dm8tbr: :-(
Aug 29 06:48:05 <ka6sox> KotH, I must take my wife to this: https://store.goletadepot.org/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=CCF-131005OT
Aug 29 06:48:11 <dm8tbr> mranostay: to state it in your usual parlance: "Bite me"
Aug 29 06:48:13 <mranostay> ouch layoffs
Aug 29 06:48:26 <KotH> ka6sox: heh
Aug 29 06:48:31 * mranostay bites KotH instead
Aug 29 06:48:42 <KotH> ka6sox: i'd come to if i could
Aug 29 06:48:42 <mranostay> he at least tastes like chocolate
Aug 29 06:48:46 <KotH> ouch!
Aug 29 06:49:00 <KotH> mranostay: stay away from me! you feces throwing, biting monkey!
Aug 29 06:49:10 <dm8tbr> oh, there is a hobbyist price
Aug 29 06:49:23 <KotH> dm8tbr: apply for the students price :)
Aug 29 06:49:32 <dm8tbr> 150usd sounds better than paying 450 just for the conference...
Aug 29 06:49:37 <KotH> ka6sox: i could send you some chocolate though
Aug 29 06:49:48 <ka6sox> mmmmm
Aug 29 06:49:49 <dm8tbr> as LF doesn't give a LF membership discount on ELCE
Aug 29 06:49:49 <KotH> ka6sox: but the shipment would cost more than two or three BBBs
Aug 29 06:49:58 <KotH> ka6sox: not to mention the chocolate itself ;)
Aug 29 06:50:00 <mranostay> you have your student id still? :)
Aug 29 06:50:00 <ka6sox> yes, I suspect so.
Aug 29 06:50:24 <ka6sox> no, Hobbiest (hobbyhorseist?)
Aug 29 06:50:24 <dm8tbr> btw: there is no student price listed on the ELCE page
Aug 29 06:50:33 <dm8tbr> I expect they lumped that in with hobbyist
Aug 29 06:50:40 <dm8tbr> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference-europe/attend/register
Aug 29 06:51:00 <KotH> which reminds me..
Aug 29 06:51:13 <KotH> i need to snatch one of those company credit cards to book the hotel and flight
Aug 29 06:51:36 * ka6sox goes back to synthesizing as mranostay is not paying attention...
Aug 29 06:51:44 <KotH> ka6sox: VHDL?
Aug 29 06:51:51 <ka6sox> yes
Aug 29 06:52:26 <ka6sox> the 44pin part is all happiness and light...the 100pin part..not so much yet.
Aug 29 06:53:20 <ka6sox> I'm pretty sure its being lost in the matrix
Aug 29 06:53:41 <spikebike> take the blue pill!
Aug 29 06:54:27 * dm8tbr puts up a bowl of smarties
Aug 29 06:54:31 <mranostay> spikebike: viagra?
Aug 29 06:55:09 <ka6sox> mranostay, how would *YOU* know that?
Aug 29 06:57:23 * spikebike shops for piezo buzzers
Aug 29 06:57:41 <spikebike> hrm, how much dB is easily be heard from a room away, 85dB?
Aug 29 06:57:43 <ka6sox> mranostay, 4bits....NP...8 bits...unhapy
Aug 29 06:57:51 <mranostay> :/
Aug 29 06:58:02 <KotH> spikebike: someone talking is around 60dBA
Aug 29 06:58:04 <ka6sox> spikebike, 85db and I'm heading for the door
Aug 29 06:58:31 * ka6sox tries a 128
Aug 29 06:58:34 <spikebike> well the goal is go out to the garage and close the door before our bikes are stolen
Aug 29 06:58:48 <KotH> ka6sox: you must understand the youngsters these days. the part wont start until they reach 90dBA :)
Aug 29 06:58:55 <mranostay> what is the dbA that will kill you?
Aug 29 06:58:58 <KotH> s/part/party/
Aug 29 06:59:03 * dm8tbr estimates ELCE budget would be at the very very least: USD: 150 attendance, 505 flights, 230-345 in hotel, + expenses >= 1kUSD
Aug 29 06:59:04 <ka6sox> get the 110dba onese
Aug 29 06:59:09 <spikebike> ah, heres a 76db, sounds reaosnable
Aug 29 06:59:15 <Russ> mranostay, depends on if the song is friday or not
Aug 29 06:59:20 <ka6sox> spikebike, what?
Aug 29 06:59:22 <dm8tbr> I think I'm out. not going to pay that out of my own pocket right now.
Aug 29 06:59:38 <spikebike> ka6sox: ?
Aug 29 06:59:43 <ka6sox> dm8tbr, that wouldn't get me to LHR...
Aug 29 07:00:03 <ka6sox> get the 110dba ones...scare the **** out of the bastards.
Aug 29 07:00:11 <Russ> airfare is confusing these days
Aug 29 07:00:26 <Russ> my taxes and fees are almost double what the actual airfare is
Aug 29 07:00:28 <spikebike> heh, I'm not trying to chase away thieves, just want to let whoever is in the house that the garage is open.
Aug 29 07:00:30 <mranostay> heh
Aug 29 07:00:35 <dm8tbr> oh, I forgot 100USD in bus tickets...
Aug 29 07:00:47 * mranostay is reminded to look at hong kong airfare
Aug 29 07:00:52 <Russ> I was like, wow, only 300USD for LAX to EDI round trip
Aug 29 07:01:11 <ka6sox> Bag Fees $50/bag...each leg.
Aug 29 07:01:31 <Russ> international you don't pay for a checked bag
Aug 29 07:01:37 * mranostay has only ever done a carry on
Aug 29 07:01:43 * ka6sox sees if he can coax this 100pin part to play nice.
Aug 29 07:02:09 * mranostay won't think about checking a bad for SE asia
Aug 29 07:02:16 <mranostay> *bag
Aug 29 07:02:42 <ka6sox> bleh
Aug 29 07:02:49 <ka6sox> mranostay, this isn't pretty
Aug 29 07:03:02 <Russ> ah, airfare was 388, taxes and fees were 721
Aug 29 07:03:10 <ka6sox> geeze
Aug 29 07:03:41 <ka6sox> its too costly to go with the 400mhz part..
Aug 29 07:03:52 <ka6sox> adds almost double the BOM
Aug 29 07:05:40 <dm8tbr> Russ: heh, I prefer sites that tell me the total price instead of some low number :)
Aug 29 07:05:58 <Russ> I didn't see the breakdown until after I booked, I was only looking at the total number
Aug 29 07:08:02 <mranostay> how much more on the BOM
Aug 29 07:09:23 <_av500_> OMG http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tubecore/tubecore-duo
Aug 29 07:11:27 <mranostay> _av500_: tech pr0n
Aug 29 07:11:35 <spikebike> man: http://learn.adafruit.com/setting-up-io-python-library-on-beaglebone-black/gpio rocks
Aug 29 07:11:56 <dm8tbr> av500: but does it go to 11?
Aug 29 07:12:53 <LetoThe2nd> finally the tech gadget we all need. a raspi glued to two tubes. yay.
Aug 29 07:13:05 <mranostay> don't be hating
Aug 29 07:13:46 <LetoThe2nd> who is hating here?
Aug 29 07:14:16 <das> someone from around Paris going to ELCE here ?
Aug 29 07:15:14 <mranostay> ew the French
Aug 29 07:15:45 <das> be nice, I'm a drunk too !
Aug 29 07:15:59 <dm8tbr> _av500_: hmm, the video mentions a Cortex A8, but the page says crapberry. wtf?
Aug 29 07:18:58 <mranostay> das: on wimpy wine :P
Aug 29 07:20:38 <mranostay> KotH: i'll trade you a dead beagle for chocolate
Aug 29 07:22:27 <KotH> mranostay: i'll take your immortal soul, your first born and joel's liver
Aug 29 07:26:54 <Shadyman> Who's got dead beagles? :p
Aug 29 07:27:26 * mranostay notes you must be a embedded linux professional when you get free boards sent to you
Aug 29 07:27:38 <Shadyman> aww
Aug 29 07:27:55 <das> mranostay: when do I know I'm one ?
Aug 29 07:27:58 <KotH> mranostay: i got two freebee pandas, am i a professional?
Aug 29 07:28:07 <spikebike> das : when you get a free board
Aug 29 07:28:15 <das> oh circular logic
Aug 29 07:28:22 <das> I like it, because it's circular
Aug 29 07:28:46 <mranostay> KotH: i have one panda.. two bbb's (one is dead atm..), two minnows all freebies :)
Aug 29 07:29:05 <spikebike> mranostay: done anything cool with em?
Aug 29 07:29:11 <spikebike> (besides zorch one)
Aug 29 07:29:15 <mranostay> spikebike: bbb's yes
Aug 29 07:29:22 <mranostay> panda and minnow not so much
Aug 29 07:29:25 * dm8tbr is apparently not professional enough
Aug 29 07:29:26 <Fokko> selected processor does not support Thumb mode `vpadd.f32 d0,d16,d17'
Aug 29 07:29:32 <Fokko> someone got that before?
Aug 29 07:29:36 <dm8tbr> some boards I got, but on some, nope
Aug 29 07:31:06 <mranostay> ARM is like a box of chocolates
Aug 29 07:31:32 <das> it has chocolates in it ?
Aug 29 07:31:34 <spikebike> you never know when the tasty looking one will taste like shit?
Aug 29 07:31:48 <mranostay> seems like
Aug 29 07:34:28 <MIcrobit> hello
Aug 29 07:35:08 <MIcrobit> i need a small help regarding taking a franchise in hyedrabd india for beagle bone black
Aug 29 07:35:31 <mranostay> er
Aug 29 07:38:52 <Russ> mranostay, I have a doubt
Aug 29 07:51:57 <KotH> mranostay: damn.. i'm not professional enough
Aug 29 07:52:13 <KotH> mranostay: i need to bribe cco people with chocolate!
Aug 29 07:53:15 <mranostay> or quality rum
Aug 29 07:57:58 <The_Beginning_On> Hello
Aug 29 07:58:25 <The_Beginning_On> Are on P8 Pins which are HIGH by standart?
Aug 29 08:02:06 <The_Beginning_On> On my BBW running ubuntu 13.04 Pin 7-10 is HIGH after Power on
Aug 29 08:02:19 <The_Beginning_On> Does anybody knows the reason for this?
Aug 29 08:09:15 <netlynx> I have purchased a beaglebone black and followed the 'getting-started' instruction. I connected the beaglebone black to my pc via usb.  There are no entries made in /var/log/message indicting that an USB device is connected. There is no ethernet over usb, nor USB tty created. the eMMC is still with the manufacturer image. Is my beaglebone black usb port broken?
Aug 29 08:09:51 <The_Beginning_On> No
Aug 29 08:10:07 <SpeedEvil> it's just for power
Aug 29 08:10:18 <SpeedEvil> not actual ism
Aug 29 08:10:21 <SpeedEvil> usb
Aug 29 08:10:51 <JFK911> wat?
Aug 29 08:11:02 <netlynx> (to be clear i connected the micro usb connector. not the host usb connector)
Aug 29 08:11:21 <JFK911> the one next to the power jack
Aug 29 08:11:47 <Fokko> there is no microusb
Aug 29 08:11:48 <Fokko> only mini
Aug 29 08:11:52 <Fokko> the other one is a hdmi
Aug 29 08:12:17 <netlynx> my mistake. the mini usb.
Aug 29 08:12:40 <Fokko> does the led flash?
Aug 29 08:12:50 <KotH> mranostay: btw: why are you still awake?
Aug 29 08:13:08 <Fokko> +1 GTM here
Aug 29 08:13:21 <netlynx> The leds flash. the heartbeat is shown. I can connect to the beagle board via ethernet.
Aug 29 08:15:02 <Fokko> ok
Aug 29 08:15:11 <Fokko> by default ethernet over usb is disabled
Aug 29 08:18:42 <netlynx> Fokko: should i see entries shown in /var/log/messages when i connect the beaglebone with the manufacturers eMMC content?
Aug 29 08:19:40 <Fokko> I am not sure, just got one for a month. Do you encounter any problemes?
Aug 29 08:21:22 <mrpackethead> no idea what happens with angstrum
Aug 29 08:21:46 <mrpackethead> one of the angstrum-trolls will know
Aug 29 08:21:54 <Fokko> Currently I am running Ubuntu, works quite good
Aug 29 08:22:23 <netlynx> Fokko: i recieved mine yesterday. The getting-started differs from what i notice. I want to find out if my board is broken or not.
Aug 29 08:22:36 <mrpackethead> whats not working netlynx
Aug 29 08:23:50 <The_Beginning_On> Does anybody know why some Pins standard on HIGH?
Aug 29 08:23:52 <JFK911> when mine was new it enumerated a composite device when connected to usb host
Aug 29 08:24:07 <The_Beginning_On> I don't mean DC or VDD Pins
Aug 29 08:24:44 <The_Beginning_On> P8 Pin 7-10 is after starting HIGH
Aug 29 08:26:23 <SpeedEvil> high, or pulled high
Aug 29 08:26:58 <netlynx> mrpackethead: I followed the getting started. And i connected my beaglebone Black via usb (mini) to my pc. The board starts (sees the heartbeat pattern on the user leds.). I do not see any entry created in /var/log/messages related to the usb enumeration. Nor the ethernet over usb and any serial ports.  The board starts. I can reach the webserver if i connect an ethernet cable.
Aug 29 08:27:18 <The_Beginning_On> pin 10 aka gpmc_wen is input pullup and HIGH
Aug 29 08:27:41 <mrpackethead> so, you can connect to it?
Aug 29 08:27:49 <mrpackethead> over usb?
Aug 29 08:28:00 <The_Beginning_On> pin 8,9 too
Aug 29 08:28:18 <The_Beginning_On> and so is 7
Aug 29 08:28:30 <netlynx> mrpackethead: i can connect to it over ethernet. (the real cable.)
Aug 29 08:28:38 <mrpackethead> right.
Aug 29 08:28:41 <mrpackethead> but not usb?
Aug 29 08:28:47 <netlynx> mrpackethead: no usb.
Aug 29 08:29:01 <SpeedEvil> input pull up means there is a few k resistor from the pin to the positive supply.
Aug 29 08:29:21 <SpeedEvil> you can pull it down without damage
Aug 29 08:29:22 <mrpackethead> netlynx: what OS is your host ocmputer
Aug 29 08:30:22 <netlynx> mrpackethead: here ubuntu 8.04. at home ubuntu 12.04.
Aug 29 08:30:52 <mrpackethead> have you got it setup to create a usb-gadget connection?
Aug 29 08:31:03 <The_Beginning_On> SpeedEvil: you mean I can do Power on it or with software like echo char > /sys/class/gpio../value ?
Aug 29 08:31:37 <SpeedEvil> you can connect it to ground
Aug 29 08:31:42 <netlynx> mrpackethead: no. eMMC content and comfiguration is as supplied by the manufacturer.
Aug 29 08:33:04 <The_Beginning_On> oh
Aug 29 08:33:18 <The_Beginning_On> pretty good, I have done this with about all pins...
Aug 29 08:33:34 <mrpackethead> netlynx:  you need to confirure your host computer
Aug 29 08:33:45 <mrpackethead> to run a usb-gadget connection
Aug 29 08:33:51 <The_Beginning_On> and why do I have the choice to shut pullup down?
Aug 29 08:34:11 <mrpackethead> the connection on the USB is not a serial port
Aug 29 08:34:21 <mrpackethead> not like the old BBW
Aug 29 08:34:28 <mrpackethead> which had a ftdi serial conenction
Aug 29 08:34:37 <JFK911> ew
Aug 29 08:37:17 <netlynx> mrpackethead: The host computer does not give any entries in /var/log/message when i connect the the beaglebone via mini USB.  lsusb does not show any new devices after BBB is connected.  Is that a normal behaviour?
Aug 29 08:38:03 <mrpackethead> if your host computer is not configured to accept a usb-gadget
Aug 29 08:38:08 <mrpackethead> its not goign to do anything
Aug 29 08:39:16 <JFK911> i thought it was presenting a normal usb device config to the host
Aug 29 08:39:27 <mrpackethead> The_Beginning_On: having options for pullups on pins can be very helpful
Aug 29 08:39:47 <mrpackethead> and gives you a lot more options for connection stuff
Aug 29 08:44:10 <The_Beginning_On> okay
Aug 29 08:44:22 <The_Beginning_On> so back to my starting question
Aug 29 08:44:30 <The_Beginning_On> why are some pins HIGH after boot?
Aug 29 08:45:03 <The_Beginning_On> are they high to identicat expansions or something?
Aug 29 08:45:37 <The_Beginning_On> Or what else?
Aug 29 08:46:34 <The_Beginning_On> or that P8 Pin 6 aka gpio1_3 is always busy and the pin isn't usable
Aug 29 08:51:02 <LetoThe2nd> The_Beginning_On: have you checked if something is set for those pins in the device tree? and what the TRM of the cpu says?
Aug 29 08:51:36 <netlynx> mrpackethead: do you have any reference to information on configuring the beaglebone black usb device?
Aug 29 08:51:58 <mrpackethead> google ethernet over usb
Aug 29 08:52:03 <mrpackethead> but if you have it workign on ethernet
Aug 29 08:52:19 <mrpackethead> then do you really have any need to use it anyway?
Aug 29 08:54:20 <suihkulokki> '
Aug 29 08:55:14 <av500> ahoi
Aug 29 08:55:26 <netlynx> mrpackethead: i didn't pay for a defect BBB. If it is supposed to work. it has to work.
Aug 29 08:55:39 <KotH> ahoi av500
Aug 29 08:55:45 <mrpackethead> netlynx: well, you'll need to configure your host pc
Aug 29 08:55:48 <mrpackethead> or it will never work
Aug 29 08:56:23 <av500> netlynx: grad the latest image, write to an sd card and let it update the emmc
Aug 29 08:56:24 <mrpackethead> KotH:  < you are a winner >
Aug 29 08:56:40 <mrpackethead> av500: that is good advice as well
Aug 29 08:56:47 <av500> grab*
Aug 29 08:57:05 <mrpackethead> netlynx: the first BBB's i had, woud't even let me ssh to them
Aug 29 08:57:11 <mrpackethead> becuaes hte sofwtare was so buggy
Aug 29 08:57:23 <mrpackethead> but things are a bit better now
Aug 29 08:57:30 <mrpackethead> but you might have an old image
Aug 29 08:57:58 <netlynx> av500: I will try that. thx
Aug 29 08:59:20 <mrpackethead> http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr03/2013/8/1/22/enhanced-buzz-10732-1375409109-1.jpg
Aug 29 08:59:39 <mrpackethead> that is the development team for beaglebone
Aug 29 08:59:44 <netlynx> mrpackethead: I want to make sure that i would claim a valid RMA if neseccairy. and not because of some stupidity from my side.
Aug 29 09:02:35 <netlynx> av500 mrpackethead thx for the help. i'm gonna try updating first. and see from there how it goes.
Aug 29 09:02:40 <mrpackethead> netlynx: got a windows machine?
Aug 29 09:02:46 <netlynx> mrpackethead: yes
Aug 29 09:03:52 <KotH> mrpackethead: ?
Aug 29 09:04:03 <netlynx> mrpackethead: i don't see the usual USB icon appear when a new (unknown) USB device is connected.
Aug 29 09:05:08 <mrpackethead> KotH: I'm booking that band for christmas partys..
Aug 29 09:05:20 <mrpackethead> they will be playing a gig, next to your place
Aug 29 09:05:22 <mrpackethead> :-)
Aug 29 09:05:59 <LetoThe2nd> mrpackethead: how lame.
Aug 29 09:06:05 <LetoThe2nd> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/AoS_Christmas.jpg
Aug 29 09:06:19 <KotH> mrpackethead: good idea!
Aug 29 09:06:28 <KotH> mrpackethead: tell them to bring chocolate too!
Aug 29 09:06:41 <mrpackethead> top song is;
Aug 29 09:06:54 <mrpackethead> "exactsteps"
Aug 29 09:07:10 <mrpackethead> they also do "opencv - my homework "
Aug 29 09:07:36 <mrpackethead> and " my dog does'nt run windows "
Aug 29 09:09:47 <KotH> mrpackethead: fitting
Aug 29 09:10:03 <mrpackethead> my code is broken
Aug 29 09:10:04 <KotH> mrpackethead: especially as i just booked hotel and flight to lce/elce
Aug 29 09:10:06 <mrpackethead> and i dont' know why
Aug 29 09:10:16 <mrpackethead> where is it?
Aug 29 09:10:23 <KotH> edinburgh
Aug 29 09:10:30 <mrpackethead> oh nice.
Aug 29 09:10:37 <mrpackethead> Edinburgh is wonderful
Aug 29 09:11:01 <mrpackethead> love it.
Aug 29 09:11:13 <Russ> I'm sticking around a few days after, hopefully there are some things to do in Edinburgh
Aug 29 09:11:35 <KotH> Russ: i'll stay from 18.10. to 27.10.
Aug 29 09:11:45 <mrpackethead> Russ: have you been to edinburgh before?
Aug 29 09:12:01 <Russ> nope
Aug 29 09:12:09 <Russ> I'm pretty sure at least :p
Aug 29 09:12:12 <mrpackethead> theres the castle, you can really miss it
Aug 29 09:12:21 <mrpackethead> that can fill in a day
Aug 29 09:12:45 <mrpackethead> theres 100000 types of whiskey to try
Aug 29 09:13:12 <Russ> I remember a day trip north from leeds once, but I don't think I made it as far north as edinburgh
Aug 29 09:13:32 <mrpackethead> Aye, Scotland is my home
Aug 29 09:13:45 <mrpackethead> my clan come from the highlands
Aug 29 09:14:01 <mrpackethead> SCOTTISH RULE FOR SCOTLAND! DOWN WITH THE ENGLUSH
Aug 29 09:14:32 <Russ> all I remember about scottish rule and the english is something about some big rock people put under their chair
Aug 29 09:14:42 <mrpackethead> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Fraser_of_lovat_arms.svg/545px-Fraser_of_lovat_arms.svg.png
Aug 29 09:14:51 <KotH> mrpackethead: lol
Aug 29 09:15:04 <KotH> mrpackethead: our sales guy is scottish too.. beside being 1/4 greek
Aug 29 09:15:18 <mrpackethead> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Fraser
Aug 29 09:15:25 <mrpackethead> however, its abeen some time
Aug 29 09:15:35 <mrpackethead> my "people" came to NZ in 1840
Aug 29 09:15:48 <mrpackethead> i'm 7th generation kiwi
Aug 29 09:16:01 <mrpackethead> so, they wont' let me live in my homeland
Aug 29 09:16:03 <mrpackethead> :-(
Aug 29 09:18:04 <KotH> racisim!
Aug 29 09:41:38 <tony__> also
Aug 29 09:41:47 <tony__> BBB is cool
Aug 29 09:44:23 <XorA> mrpackethead: amusingly a lot of tourist have trouble finding Edin castle
Aug 29 09:45:03 <mrpackethead> how?
Aug 29 09:45:21 <mrpackethead> i suppose they have their head in a copy of Lonely planet
Aug 29 09:45:25 <mrpackethead> and can't see past it
Aug 29 09:45:29 <XorA> mrpackethead: bugger knows, I used to live on Royal Mile and got asked loads if the Scottish Office building was the castle
Aug 29 09:46:12 <XorA> the Scottish Office looking particularly un-castle like
Aug 29 09:46:18 <mrpackethead> i guess the castle and the rock it sits on are jsut not big enough
Aug 29 09:46:20 <mrpackethead> for some
Aug 29 09:46:51 <XorA> the Americans do appreciate that the medieval railway was built so near the castle though!
Aug 29 09:46:52 <mrpackethead> you knwo you can get into the castle for free
Aug 29 09:47:08 <mrpackethead> you just say you want to visit the national war memorial
Aug 29 09:47:16 <mrpackethead> and they have to let you in for free
Aug 29 09:47:27 <XorA> you can get in for free for weddings as well
Aug 29 09:47:30 <koen> XorA: the scottish office, is that the one near the end of the royal mile?
Aug 29 09:47:31 <ant_work> ehm... I vaguely remember being in 1985 in a College by the Castle, on the hill
Aug 29 09:47:46 <XorA> koen: no thats the parliment, Scottish Office was on Carlton hill
Aug 29 09:48:26 * koen uses google images
Aug 29 09:48:31 <XorA> ant_work: there are/were a lot of bits of Edin university on the mile, so perfectly possible
Aug 29 09:49:36 <XorA> koen: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-T47EkUgkHCk/Ua4W8dLicoI/AAAAAAAAJOY/KdGXViHcigU/s400/St+Andrew%27s+House,+Calton+Hill,+Edinburgh,+1939.jpg
Aug 29 09:49:57 <XorA> looks more like a prison than anything else
Aug 29 09:50:11 <das> looks like Bowmore's whiskey factory
Aug 29 09:50:44 <das> (hint: Bowmore's good)
Aug 29 09:50:59 <das> (and cheap)
Aug 29 09:51:39 <XorA> there is the Whiskey Experience on the mile
Aug 29 10:02:33 <mrpackethead> XorA: it was beautful
Aug 29 10:02:40 <mrpackethead> the the english ruined it
Aug 29 10:05:52 <XorA> mrpackethead: what?
Aug 29 10:19:14 <mrpackethead> XorA: scotland
Aug 29 10:27:17 <nilking> how to calculate Boot time of a kernel ?
Aug 29 10:27:44 <SpeedEvil> nilking: calculate the time taken for every instruction. Sum.
Aug 29 10:27:50 <SpeedEvil> It may be easier to measure it.
Aug 29 10:28:06 <spikebike> heh
Aug 29 10:28:55 * ogra_ would just look at timestamps  in dmesg 
Aug 29 10:33:37 <nilking> as a newbie I am confused which onw will b good for my beagleboard tisdk or angstorm
Aug 29 10:40:03 <das> nilking: maybe http://elinux.org/Grabserial
Aug 29 10:40:36 <das> or recompile kernel
Aug 29 10:40:50 <das> with appropriate config
Aug 29 11:08:28 <av500> this is deja vu month
Aug 29 12:24:40 <The_Beginning_On> LetoThe2nd: Sorry for the late answer. These Pins are set in Boot. I am only wondering, that they give a HIGH signal when they are made pullup Input.
Aug 29 12:24:58 <The_Beginning_On> I will now write an setup to set all pins to low
Aug 29 12:34:15 <kos_tom> prpplague: hello!
Aug 29 12:35:04 <kos_tom> prpplague: i'm thomas from free electrons. We've received the LCD4 cape earlier this week, and it works, mripard tested it.
Aug 29 12:35:39 <kos_tom> prpplague: however, once we have the LCD4 cape plugged in, we are no longer able to connect to the pins of the debug UART because there's not enough room between the pins and the cape board
Aug 29 12:35:58 <kos_tom> prpplague: of course, for our evaluation, we can solder something, but we need a solution that is practical enough to be used for training sessions
Aug 29 12:36:14 <kos_tom> prpplague: do you have any suggestion on how to achieve that?
Aug 29 12:36:16 <panto> kos_tom, bend the pins
Aug 29 12:36:31 <panto> or solder it on the downside of the board
Aug 29 12:36:54 <kos_tom> we'd prefer not to damage or alter the board, since we are giving away the board to the training participants
Aug 29 12:37:38 <av500> kos_tom: no real good solution
Aug 29 12:37:51 <av500> unless you add a cape that brings out serial
Aug 29 12:38:02 <av500> solder a 6-pin to the bottom
Aug 29 12:38:07 <av500> and add standoffs
Aug 29 12:38:08 <panto> what about using the friction fit usb adaptor?
Aug 29 12:38:11 <av500> is what I did
Aug 29 12:38:21 <av500> Spirilis: ^^^
Aug 29 12:38:24 <panto> yes
Aug 29 12:38:27 <av500> Spirilis: your chance to get rich
Aug 29 12:38:30 <panto> https://www.tindie.com/products/spirilis/beaglebone-black-ftdi-friction-fit/
Aug 29 12:39:26 <das> $10 for that oO
Aug 29 12:39:43 <panto> das, it's reasonable
Aug 29 12:39:49 <av500> yes
Aug 29 12:39:56 <av500> das: get it made in china
Aug 29 12:39:58 <das> it's 1/4th the price of the BBB itself
Aug 29 12:40:11 <av500> das: dont buy it then
Aug 29 12:40:13 <panto> das, so?
Aug 29 12:40:19 <av500> an FTDI cable is a few bucks too
Aug 29 12:40:23 <av500> and this has the FTDI already
Aug 29 12:41:01 <kos_tom> it's not very practical for us to depend on yet another manufacturer for this part
Aug 29 12:41:03 <mripard> I don't know if it even exists, but if it does, something like a flat angle header would be the perfect solution for us :)
Aug 29 12:41:10 <kos_tom> we'd prefer to be able to use any FTDI adapter rather than depend on a specific one
Aug 29 12:41:37 <das> can't you just bend a header ?
Aug 29 12:42:19 <av500> mripard: exists
Aug 29 12:42:23 <av500> still you have to solder
Aug 29 12:42:41 <av500> mripard: no Mme Lam?
Aug 29 12:42:41 <Spirilis> lol
Aug 29 12:42:56 <mripard> av500: we could definitely use one :)
Aug 29 12:43:08 <av500> mripard: she is not with Archos any more
Aug 29 12:43:23 <av500> find her on LinkedIn
Aug 29 12:44:15 <Spirilis> kos_tom: fwiw, I produce the friction fit by hand, I do have a fair amount in stock and if you need the board design files, I got 'em here -- https://github.com/spirilis/bbbftdi
Aug 29 12:44:26 <Spirilis> though "fair amount" is like 15 pieces
Aug 29 12:44:36 <Spirilis> (feels like a fair amount after hand-placing all the components lol)
Aug 29 12:44:48 <av500> das: see, it's hand made
Aug 29 12:44:54 <av500> and not by chinese kids
Aug 29 12:45:11 <Spirilis> that's right, made by americans with actual working windows PCs
Aug 29 12:45:14 <keesj_> I did the serial operation by removing the pins and putting them on the other side but it wasn't that easy(for me)
Aug 29 12:45:17 <Spirilis> s/americans/american/
Aug 29 12:45:29 <av500> keesj_: no need to remove, just add another header
Aug 29 12:45:57 <das> av500: chinese kids don't use hands ?
Aug 29 12:46:27 <mripard> av500: but I don't really see why it would need to be soldered, just a female - female 2.54 header, with a flat angle, you plug it in, and that's it, right ?
Aug 29 12:46:32 <panto> I just bend the pins fwiw
Aug 29 12:46:33 <das> errr, don't take this one out of context
Aug 29 12:46:45 <keesj_> BBW rules in that respect
Aug 29 12:46:50 <av500> mripard: not enough height
Aug 29 12:46:54 <av500> youll hit the cape
Aug 29 12:46:55 <panto> keesj_, not really
Aug 29 12:47:08 <panto> I always prefer a real rs232 port
Aug 29 12:47:08 <av500> BBW does it 50%
Aug 29 12:47:40 <Spirilis> mripard: yeah not much height, my board basically slips over the pins with holes offset to provide some friction and an "angle" in the USB connector's position so the USB cable can slip between the DC jack and ethernet jack seamlessly
Aug 29 12:47:50 <av500> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos?partnerid=gplp0&pid=5917521748526955650&oid=112266164281670850856
Aug 29 12:47:53 <av500> is that visible?
Aug 29 12:48:15 <Spirilis> av500: yup
Aug 29 12:48:40 <keesj_> the only additional thing I would like is that it was easy to reset the bone by sending flow control signals (I think it is possible but so far only ubuntu's modemmanager managed to do it )
Aug 29 12:49:21 <keesj_> panto: that and also the jtag on the board. I can't see wha't wrong here
Aug 29 12:49:42 <keesj_> I don't even have a real serial on all my pc's and laptops
Aug 29 12:50:06 <panto> keesj_, I'm old fashioned :)
Aug 29 12:50:44 <av500> kos_tom: mripardsee above image
Aug 29 12:50:47 <av500> kos_tom: mripard see above image
Aug 29 12:50:56 <keesj_> I currently just have a buspirate to toggle my reset (when I am to lazy to use CCS)
Aug 29 12:53:03 <mripard> av500: Spirilis: hmm, ok :)
Aug 29 12:54:00 <av500> mripard: I'm in Paris on the weekend, I can solder it for you
Aug 29 12:57:03 <mripard> av500: I won't ask you to solder 16 of these on a weekend, and on a regular basis :)
Aug 29 12:57:38 <av500> depends on the pay
Aug 29 12:58:28 <mripard> :)
Aug 29 12:59:46 <kos_tom> av500: yeah the problem is really not to get this working for one board, but to find an easy and reliable solution to do that on the many boards we will have for our trainings
Aug 29 13:00:03 <av500> I get that
Aug 29 13:00:10 <av500> one could make a serial cap
Aug 29 13:00:12 <av500> one could make a serial cape
Aug 29 13:00:23 <av500> didnt mranostay have something like that?
Aug 29 13:00:42 <av500> or have the Spirilis design manufactured
Aug 29 13:01:03 <av500> make day one of your training "learn how to solder, you CS noobs"
Aug 29 13:01:20 <av500> I can teach that :)
Aug 29 13:02:22 <Spirilis> kos_tom: mripard: yeah the design files are here - https://github.com/spirilis/bbbftdi - I am using OSHpark to just make the boards individually, but if you're handy with DipTrace you could panelize the design & have a contract manufacturer put them together.  It just needs an FTDI FT230XS chip, 2 47pF SMD caps, 2 22R resistors, 2 100nF caps and a USB mini-B connector
Aug 29 13:02:41 <av500> micro USB please
Aug 29 13:06:04 <mripard> av500: you should sell these trainings :)
Aug 29 13:10:17 <kos_tom> Spirilis: the problem is not the complexity of the FTDI board. It's the fact that we need to be able to buy this easily, from a reliable distributor, on a regular basis.
Aug 29 13:10:28 <Spirilis> kos_tom: gotcha
Aug 29 13:10:52 <Spirilis> kos_tom: well, fwiw, stackable headers could probably raise your cape high enough to fit a normal FTDI cable connector in there
Aug 29 13:10:53 <av500> kos_tom: maybe talk to circuitco
Aug 29 13:11:02 <av500> aka prpplague
Aug 29 13:11:14 <av500> once the rum wears off
Aug 29 13:11:18 <kos_tom> av500: see what I did when I started talking about this topic :)
Aug 29 13:11:27 <av500> kos_tom: I see what you did here :)
Aug 29 13:31:53 * norbi says hi to everyone
Aug 29 13:44:34 <DoNotEat> hi norbi, how were jailbait cartoons with your girlfriend
Aug 29 13:45:33 <norbi> DoNotEat: hi, i fallen asleep
Aug 29 13:46:18 <DoNotEat> that's probably the safest outcome
Aug 29 13:46:35 <norbi> DoNotEat: she wanted to watch some musical stuff and at that point i turned to my other side to sleep... dreaming about kernels, bootloaders and BBB
Aug 29 13:46:59 <norbi> DoNotEat: btw thanks for asking :)
Aug 29 13:47:03 <DoNotEat> did you lament the loss of the FTDI chip
Aug 29 13:47:46 <norbi> ^^
Aug 29 13:50:37 <norbi> DoNotEat: i wasnt care about that, i can skip that part and take it over anytime ^^
Aug 29 13:51:08 * norbi says he will be right back
Aug 29 13:51:20 * DoNotEat SilicaGel
Aug 29 13:58:52 <Michael> hello,everybody
Aug 29 13:59:36 <Guest30401> how can connect 1 beaglebone black with multiple cap?
Aug 29 14:00:34 <Guest30401> how can 1 beaglebone be connected with multiple cap?
Aug 29 14:01:49 <panto> what cap?
Aug 29 14:06:55 <av500> cape
Aug 29 14:09:57 <Splat> Hello all
Aug 29 14:10:22 <dah-le> hi all, trying to build cloud9 image for BBB and have run into a meta-oe issue?
Aug 29 14:10:23 <Fokko_> Does anyone what the cflags and cxxflags are of the Beaglebone black
Aug 29 14:10:44 <dah-le> looks like the cloud9 recipe refers to sass.js, but it is not here
Aug 29 14:10:55 <dah-le> https://github.com/visionmedia/sass.js
Aug 29 14:11:06 <av500> the cloud9 guy is also not here
Aug 29 14:11:16 <dah-le> figured..wondered where/how to report
Aug 29 14:11:40 <av500> koen: is that part of the stock build?
Aug 29 14:12:02 <Splat> looking for a library for Wiimote communications with the BBB anyone know of anything?
Aug 29 14:12:19 <dah-le> here's the file & offending line: cloud9_0.6.bb: git://github.com/visionmedia/sass.js.git;destsuffix=git/support/connect/support/sass;name=sass \
Aug 29 14:29:24 <NangV> how can 1 beaglebone be connected with multiple cape?
Aug 29 14:29:55 <Spirilis> capes need to have 'stackable' headers soldered to them rather than just normal male headers
Aug 29 14:29:59 <Spirilis> then the capes stack
Aug 29 14:30:22 <Spirilis> and EEPROMs onboard (with addresses set differently for each cape) provide a manifest of what is attached
Aug 29 14:30:40 <panto> how much would a cape stack if a cape would stack capes like a stack?
Aug 29 14:31:22 <ka6sox> panto, this is -ETOOMUCH before coffee
Aug 29 14:31:56 <Anguel> NangV: you should be careful about pin conflicts between capes
Aug 29 14:32:25 <NangV> thanks
Aug 29 14:33:50 <Anguel> I want to setup a new virtualbox with ubuntu (under win7). Do you recommend 12.04 LTS or 13.04? And 32 bit or 64 bit?
Aug 29 14:34:26 <NangV> on beaglebone board only have one group that can be attached
Aug 29 14:34:45 <av500> NangV: you can stack capes
Aug 29 14:34:50 <av500> on top of each other
Aug 29 14:35:14 <NangV> I do not know how to say that thing,the cap male header connect with
Aug 29 14:36:01 <av500> http://www.adafruit.com/adablog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/window-2-28.jpg
Aug 29 14:36:02 <av500> see here
Aug 29 14:36:24 <av500> next cape goes on top
Aug 29 14:36:25 <av500> etc..
Aug 29 14:36:57 <NangV> so,like this,can connect multiple cape?
Aug 29 14:37:18 <av500> yes
Aug 29 14:37:19 <av500> if the cape has top and bottom connectors
Aug 29 14:37:49 <av500> female on top, male on bottom
Aug 29 14:38:22 <av500> but only if the capes are compatible
Aug 29 14:38:46 <blaaa> is there some kind of repository for cape-designers so they can design capes to be compatible?
Aug 29 14:38:54 <av500> the wiki
Aug 29 14:39:27 <NangV> doest matter which pins the belowest cape use?
Aug 29 14:39:50 <av500> no
Aug 29 14:40:01 <av500> the stacked connectors export all pins
Aug 29 14:40:13 <av500> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/7084429479/
Aug 29 14:40:25 <NangV> thanks
Aug 29 14:40:36 <av500> bottom right shows 2 stacked capes
Aug 29 14:40:59 <NangV> that is breakout cape?
Aug 29 14:41:07 <av500> I guess
Aug 29 14:42:34 <NangV> multiple cape on the breakout,how to connect them together,let them use 1 beaglebone board
Aug 29 14:42:56 <NangV> by wire?
Aug 29 14:43:11 <Fokko_> Does anyone what the cflags and cxxflags are of the Beaglebone black
Aug 29 14:43:13 <av500> I guess there are connected
Aug 29 14:43:24 <av500> see the schematics
Aug 29 14:43:57 <dah-le> av500: thanks for the cloud9 help..sent an email to angstrom-devel hopefully that's the right place
Aug 29 14:44:06 <NangV> thanks
Aug 29 14:44:19 <blaaa> Fokko_: what do you mean?
Aug 29 14:44:37 <NangV> me?
Aug 29 15:12:10 <Fokko_> Does anyone what the cflags and cxxflags are of the Beaglebone black
Aug 29 15:12:21 <Fokko_> I am trying to compile gnuradio 3.6.1
Aug 29 15:12:27 <Fokko_> *3.6.5
Aug 29 15:12:48 <Fokko_> I got a error that told me that the instruction was not supported by the FPU
Aug 29 15:12:54 <das> you accidentally a verb
Aug 29 15:12:55 <Fokko_> When I tried to run make
Aug 29 15:13:11 <Fokko_> Then I set the FPU to NEON, and then I get more strange errors
Aug 29 15:13:30 <Fokko_> so I guess that CMake does nog have proper configuration of the flags for building on the ARM
Aug 29 15:14:47 <blaaa> Fokko_: what flags did the default use?
Aug 29 15:15:26 <blaaa> Fokko_: what compiler, other things compile all right?
Aug 29 15:15:31 <Fokko_> I am not sure, I am quite new to the whole compile thing
Aug 29 15:16:16 <Fokko_> I can compile gnuradio 3.7 with errors at all
Aug 29 15:17:13 <tcort> when I go to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ it says 'Unable to connect to database'. when I go to http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ and click the first image I get 404 not found. Any one know of a mirror? The BeagleBoard.org mirror says 404 and the amazon mirror is out of day (image is from May).
Aug 29 15:17:24 <Fokko_> I am using the default compile for cxx, i believe gcc
Aug 29 15:17:38 <tcort> I'm looking for the latest and greatest angstrom sd image.
Aug 29 15:19:51 <blaaa> Fokko_: and the error, when did you get it?
Aug 29 15:20:28 <Fokko_> blaaa: Just a sec, I have to look it up
Aug 29 15:25:33 <Fokko_> In function 'std::_Ios_Fmtflags std::operator|(std::_Ios_Fmtflags, std::_Ios_Fmtflags)':
Aug 29 15:25:40 <Fokko_> internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
Aug 29 15:26:06 <Fokko_> quite hazy error
Aug 29 15:29:21 <blaaa> Fokko_: I don't know, you could try clang/llvm?
Aug 29 15:30:53 <blaaa> and /join #gnuradio
Aug 29 15:31:47 <blaaa> and /join #gcc
Aug 29 15:32:39 <blaaa> Fokko_: the compiler should usually produce correct binaries, but maybe there are some hardcoded parts in the source code or whatever, I have no idea unfortunately
Aug 29 15:33:01 <Fokko_> blaaa: I am reading about llvm/clang, I have to dive into that, I am really new to things like this.
Aug 29 15:33:41 <Fokko_> I am a computer science student, so I am not totally new to this. But with these errors I need to dig into it
Aug 29 15:34:02 <blaaa> Fokko_: if you study CS, you probal
Aug 29 15:34:16 <blaaa> Fokko_: probably know more about this than I do
Aug 29 15:36:27 <Fokko_> blaaa: Thanks for the advice! I will try in gnuradio channel.
Aug 29 16:20:15 <das> it's calm here
Aug 29 16:20:23 <das> monolithic vs microkernel ?
Aug 29 16:20:26 <DoNotEat> breakfast has dessert right
Aug 29 16:20:33 <DoNotEat> i need dessert!
Aug 29 16:21:05 <das> are you french ?
Aug 29 16:21:22 <DoNotEat> I am not
Aug 29 16:21:29 <DoNotEat> If I were, would there be dessert with breakfast?
Aug 29 16:21:35 <das> why "dessert" ?
Aug 29 16:21:55 <DoNotEat> because you only want to go through a desert once, but you want dessert many times.  At least, that's how I was taught.
Aug 29 16:22:35 <das> oh, my bad, it does have two 's' indeed
Aug 29 16:23:04 <DoNotEat> I'm not sure how old you are, but when you get older, words you used to know how to spell just fine just "don't look right."  It's maddening.
Aug 29 16:23:30 <das> I'm very old
Aug 29 16:23:31 <das> 25
Aug 29 16:23:35 <DoNotEat> yeah that's pretty old
Aug 29 16:23:39 <DoNotEat> ...jerk :)
Aug 29 16:23:42 <das> :D
Aug 29 16:24:08 <blaaa> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/desert/
Aug 29 16:24:22 <DoNotEat> So I'm wondering now what i should upgrade my beaglebone to, another TI dist which looks like it's 6.0.something or something from angstrom-distribution.org
Aug 29 16:24:32 <DoNotEat> Currently it has I think T.I.'s arago at like 5.3.0 or something
Aug 29 16:24:45 <DoNotEat> I haven't turned it on in a year sadly, but i'm about to re-engage
Aug 29 16:26:27 <das> blaaa: is this a random collection of words ?
Aug 29 16:26:55 <blaaa> das: not random, but it is a collection of words ;)
Aug 29 16:27:06 <DoNotEat> SO it's "Just deserts" ?
Aug 29 16:27:20 <DoNotEat> implying that when you get them, it's always hot, dry, and sandy?
Aug 29 16:35:03 <emeb_mac> I feel desserted.
Aug 29 16:35:25 <DoNotEat> kinky
Aug 29 16:35:36 <DoNotEat> whipped cream?  cherries or strawberries?
Aug 29 16:36:22 <Russ> DoNotEat, a dessert has strawberry shortcake (ss). A desert  only has sand (s)
Aug 29 16:36:45 <DoNotEat> oh, that's a pretty good one too
Aug 29 16:36:56 * Russ introduces DoNotEat and SilicaGel to eachother
Aug 29 16:37:04 <DoNotEat> That's me
Aug 29 16:37:12 <DoNotEat> i forgot to log out at work, before i left for vacation (which I'm on now)
Aug 29 16:37:30 <Russ> ah, chrisp and chrisp
Aug 29 16:37:52 * das boat
Aug 29 16:38:01 <Russ> das boot
Aug 29 16:38:12 <DoNotEat> When the weather clears up, i'll get the hell off the computer and take my old volkswagen for a ride
Aug 29 16:40:31 * emeb_mac wonders if there is such a thing as OT on #beagle
Aug 29 16:41:35 <agmlego> emeb_mac: Only over 45 hours a week.
Aug 29 16:41:56 <mranostay> does drunk time on IRC cont?
Aug 29 16:41:59 <mranostay> *count
Aug 29 16:42:19 * mranostay notes that was letter for a really bad typo
Aug 29 16:55:48 <hurlawhirl> oops. I installed a new kernel on my BBB and it doesn't boot. the old kernel is still on there, how do I mount the emmc from uboot so I can pick a different kernel to boot from?
Aug 29 16:59:15 <hurlawhirl> ^I should add that I am not currently using an usd card.
Aug 29 17:13:58 <hurlawhirl> found an sd card and made it work. this helped though, for anyone interested. (http://hipstercircuits.com/unbrick-beaglebone-black-without-erasing-emmc/)
Aug 29 17:54:43 <hurlawhirl> I spoke too soon, I have the usd booting but I'm not sure how to mount the ext4fs so that I can change the kernel symlink. it doesn't show up under /media/BEAGLEBONE. can anyone help?
Aug 29 18:09:06 <blaaa> hurlawhirl: what do you mean what's on the µSD?
Aug 29 18:10:43 <hurlawhirl> I have an image that's labeled on my card as 5/27. I think it is a flasher image
Aug 29 18:11:33 <hurlawhirl> when I say mount the ext4fs, I mean the one on the onboard emmc flash.
Aug 29 18:12:56 <blaaa> OK, so you boot a working system from the µSD and then want to mount the onboard flash filesystem to mod some stuff?
Aug 29 18:13:16 <hurlawhirl> yes, precisely.
Aug 29 18:13:44 <blaaa> my BBB is not online right now so I can;t check, but you should just mount some /dev/mm* device if I am not mistaken
Aug 29 18:14:08 <blaaa> what devices are in /dev/mm* ?
Aug 29 18:15:17 <hurlawhirl> ./dev/mmcblk0       /dev/mmcblk0p2     /dev/mmcblk1boot0  /dev/mmcblk1p1 /dev/mmcblk0p1     /dev/mmcblk1       /dev/mmcblk1boot1  /dev/mmcblk1p2
Aug 29 18:16:01 <hurlawhirl> I mounted mmcblk1p2, and that seems to be correct but not all of the files that should be in /boot are in that /boot
Aug 29 18:17:18 <hurlawhirl> I mean there is a 3.8.13 kernel there, that I expect shouldn't be on the uSD card (uses 3.8.3), but I had additional kernels that aren't showing up.
Aug 29 18:18:09 <blaaa> I think a fat partition could be mounted in /boot by default,
Aug 29 18:18:39 <blaaa> I am quite sure the files you are looking for are on one (or more) of the /dev/mm* partitions
Aug 29 18:18:55 <blaaa> look in fstab
Aug 29 18:21:04 <blaaa> hurlawhirl: any luck?
Aug 29 18:21:10 <hurlawhirl> I don't see a /boot partition mounted in fstab
Aug 29 18:22:06 <hurlawhirl> I'm mounting the various /dev/mm* partitions now though.
Aug 29 18:22:25 <blaaa> OK, the files will probably sit somewhere there
Aug 29 18:28:58 <alan_o> Linkedin is a funny beast. It really wants me to have GNU Debugger in my skills list and keeps asking people to endorse me for it. funny.
Aug 29 18:35:20 <SpeedEvil> man gdb
Aug 29 18:46:56 <_SY_> hello
Aug 29 18:48:27 <_SY_> all very quiet here
Aug 29 18:48:42 * guest2 says hi to everyone
Aug 29 18:48:54 <_SY_> hello
Aug 29 19:00:01 <mranostay> _av500_: going to ELC-E?
Aug 29 19:00:28 <_av500_> not sure
Aug 29 19:00:45 <_av500_> no sponsor
Aug 29 19:04:13 <mranostay> _av500_: you can sleep on my hotel room floor
Aug 29 19:04:33 <_av500_> thx
Aug 29 19:05:49 <mranostay> _av500_: you are a german citizen right?
Aug 29 19:06:08 <_av500_> so far yes
Aug 29 19:07:44 <mranostay> how can people afford to live in the UK?
Aug 29 19:08:42 <_av500_> they cant
Aug 29 19:09:41 <mranostay> talk about the worse place to have LinuxCon/ELCE
Aug 29 19:10:05 <SpeedEvil> mranostay: housing costs vary _widely_ over the UK.
Aug 29 19:10:57 <mranostay> SpeedEvil: so in the US :)
Aug 29 19:11:06 <mranostay> just a lot of places you wouldn't want to live
Aug 29 19:13:17 <mranostay> so who here is going to try haggis?
Aug 29 19:16:14 <SpeedEvil> Wait - this is a conference in scotland?
Aug 29 19:16:53 <mranostay> yes
Aug 29 19:17:07 <mranostay> damn 420 pounds for 3 nights
Aug 29 19:18:41 <SpeedEvil> http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-27886710.html
Aug 29 19:18:48 <SpeedEvil> Where in scotland?
Aug 29 19:19:21 <mranostay> Edinburgh
Aug 29 19:21:56 * SpeedEvil would have offered his shed - but he is 30 miles away.
Aug 29 19:22:50 <mranostay> heh since i'm on my own from Sunday to Wednesday on hotel i may have to do that :P
Aug 29 19:23:14 <SpeedEvil> also - my shed would be more accurately classified as 'a roof' at the moment.
Aug 29 19:23:54 * SpeedEvil is currently trying to work out how to lift up a 300kg roof, and replace the substructure.
Aug 29 19:24:01 <mranostay> whoa there has to be cheap roach hotel here
Aug 29 19:24:19 <SpeedEvil> if you go out of edinburgh, prices will crash
Aug 29 19:25:54 <prpplague> just fyi for anyone interested in the BeBoPr cape, it is now available via boardzoo.com - http://boardzoo.com/index.php/beaglebone/bone-bebopr.html
Aug 29 19:26:25 <_av500_> prpplague: did you see kos_tom 's request for serial?
Aug 29 19:26:53 <prpplague> _av500_: sorry no, where ?
Aug 29 19:27:14 <_av500_> in teh backlog
Aug 29 19:27:23 <_av500_> prpplague: they need serial debug for their courses
Aug 29 19:27:29 <_av500_> and they give away the BBBs
Aug 29 19:27:39 <_av500_> so they dont want to ugly solder a header to the bottom
Aug 29 19:27:39 <mranostay> SpeedEvil: yeah kinda a trek then
Aug 29 19:27:43 <_av500_> top has LCD cape
Aug 29 19:28:09 <SpeedEvil> mranostay: well - yes and no.
Aug 29 19:28:21 <SpeedEvil> Doesn't take much before car rental is cheaper than hotel+no car
Aug 29 19:28:25 <prpplague> hmm i didn't see anything in my log, let me check the main log
Aug 29 19:30:13 <mranostay> my god there is nothing under 150 pounds
Aug 29 19:30:35 <_av500_> mranostay: you work for the man now
Aug 29 19:31:05 <prpplague> kos_tom: http://boardzoo.com/index.php/accessories-47/right-angle-serial-adapter.html
Aug 29 19:32:29 * prpplague sends kos_tom an email
Aug 29 19:32:50 <mranostay> _av500_: yes ELC is covered but flying a few days early.. so those aren't
Aug 29 19:33:03 <mranostay> going to Scotland for 3 days sounds dumb
Aug 29 19:33:55 <_av500_> mranostay: the man does not pay you at all?
Aug 29 19:34:44 <mranostay> yes of course but i have issue with paying 200$ a night for a bed :)
Aug 29 19:35:23 <mranostay> SpeedEvil: so Eninburgh hostels how likely would i be the third installment of the movie? :)
Aug 29 19:35:55 <prpplague> mranostay: i am sure XorA will rent his couch for 50 quid a night.... hehe
Aug 29 19:36:37 <SpeedEvil> Youth hostels and similar places are generally just fine.
Aug 29 19:36:47 <mranostay> do they typically have lockers?
Aug 29 19:37:36 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure - I've not used them when thirth considering a e. I think not.
Aug 29 19:38:03 <SpeedEvil> May also be worth considering a localish though somewhat outside the area B+B, for the week - and a car rental
Aug 29 19:38:14 <mranostay> i'm not driving :)
Aug 29 19:38:39 <SpeedEvil> ah
Aug 29 19:38:42 <SpeedEvil> http://www.syha.org.uk/
Aug 29 19:38:42 <mranostay> esp on the wrong side of the road :)
Aug 29 19:38:46 <SpeedEvil> that makes it trickier.
Aug 29 19:39:49 <_av500_> mranostay: I see 60€/night
Aug 29 19:40:01 <mranostay> for hostel?
Aug 29 19:40:43 <_av500_> TRAVELODGE EDINBURGH HAYMARKET
Aug 29 19:40:45 <_av500_> **
Aug 29 19:41:04 <_av500_> 49quid
Aug 29 19:41:34 <_av500_> there another one
Aug 29 19:41:51 <_av500_> www.hrs.de
Aug 29 19:43:52 <_av500_> Royal Ettrick Edinburgh ***, 57quid
Aug 29 19:43:56 <_av500_> with wifi
Aug 29 19:44:08 <_av500_> oh I picked the venu dates
Aug 29 19:44:12 <_av500_> maybe after its more
Aug 29 19:45:32 <mranostay> before
Aug 29 19:46:36 <SpeedEvil> I wonder if you're hitting a big event
Aug 29 19:46:42 <SpeedEvil> What date is it?
Aug 29 19:49:29 <mranostay> ah found some cheaper ones
Aug 29 19:49:45 <mranostay> SpeedEvil: conference centre in "old town" district?
Aug 29 19:50:04 <SpeedEvil> mranostay: dunno
Aug 29 19:50:11 <SpeedEvil> never been
Aug 29 19:53:33 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mhsurvival.co.uk/edinburgh/ - i was searching to see if there was othet stuff around the date
Aug 29 20:01:24 <biot> mranostay: so how many people up for haggis?
Aug 29 20:03:09 <mranostay> schedule is out woot
Aug 29 20:04:38 <biot> hah, with "Kernal" all over it
Aug 29 20:04:41 <biot> sad
Aug 29 20:06:45 <Russ> ya sigrok
Aug 29 20:22:37 <mranostay> not the first slot this time
Aug 29 20:42:11 <mranostay> biot: i'll try it
Aug 29 20:42:59 <mranostay> SpeedEvil: btw is pickpocketing a big issue in Edinburgh?
Aug 29 20:43:11 <_av500_> mranostay: dont bring your bike
Aug 29 20:43:15 <SpeedEvil> mranostay: not really, in general.
Aug 29 20:43:28 <SpeedEvil> mranostay: but - take precautions.
Aug 29 20:43:41 <mranostay> don't look like a idiot got it :)
Aug 29 20:44:17 <SpeedEvil> waving shiny stuff around for example.
Aug 29 20:49:48 <ds2> so a fishing lure vest would be bad?
Aug 29 20:51:26 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 29 20:52:24 <_av500_> a minnow lure vest
Aug 29 20:53:48 <SpeedEvil> Also - for those new to scotland - there is a rich and exciting food culture. http://23x.net/5/what-is-a-munchy-box.html
Aug 29 20:53:51 <ds2> Orcad really blows
Aug 29 20:54:41 <ds2> it is so poorly written
Aug 29 20:54:50 <_av500_> SpeedEvil: awesome
Aug 29 20:55:01 <mrpackethead> scotland, food?
Aug 29 20:55:03 <mrpackethead> ok, thats pushing it
Aug 29 20:56:34 <ds2> I wonder if orcad is written in gwbasic...
Aug 29 20:57:00 * mranostay likes pub food.. go figure right?
Aug 29 21:55:43 <m_billybob> ds2, so write a better CAD program and call it Ortium, or AltiCAD
Aug 29 21:59:23 <ds2> almost anything is better
Aug 29 21:59:32 <ds2> I was watching each tool bar icon on OrCAD redraw itself
Aug 29 21:59:36 <ds2> and this is their demo
Aug 29 21:59:36 <m_billybob> nothing is beter than orcad.
Aug 29 22:00:20 <m_billybob> I think all tools are not all that great
Aug 29 22:00:24 <m_billybob> well in this context
Aug 29 22:00:55 <ds2> I don't see that problem with anything else
Aug 29 22:02:20 <m_billybob> every try proteus ?
Aug 29 22:02:23 <m_billybob> ever*
Aug 29 22:02:44 <m_billybob> has some really cool feature orcad doesnt even have, but its not all that stable from my expeprience either
Aug 29 22:02:50 <m_billybob> features*
Aug 29 22:03:27 <m_billybob> thankfully though i dont use / run cad / simulation tools much
Aug 29 22:07:07 <ds2> nope
Aug 29 23:04:09 <joel_> koen, what's your email add. for CC?
Aug 29 23:04:35 * joel_ decides to go with koen@dominion.thruhere.net
Aug 29 23:09:17 <mranostay> joel_: great now the spammers will have it
Aug 29 23:09:34 <joel_> mranostay, spammers have it anyway
Aug 29 23:10:37 * mranostay pokes Jayneil 
Aug 29 23:12:47 * joel_ wonders if checkpatch.pl is nuts to flag errors on the copyright header
Aug 29 23:13:01 <mranostay> joel_: FIX IT!
Aug 29 23:13:02 <joel_> ERROR: code indent should use tabs where possible
Aug 29 23:13:07 <joel_> +        /*$
Aug 29 23:13:20 <mranostay> that needs to be a tab
Aug 29 23:13:29 <Russ> .pl, its right there in the name of the script, its nuts
Aug 29 23:13:46 * Russ wonders why that's indented at all
Aug 29 23:13:53 <mranostay> Russ: that too
Aug 29 23:14:02 <joel_> yeah why should copyright header "/*" be indented?
Aug 29 23:14:04 <mranostay> never seen a copyright notice indented
Aug 29 23:25:31 <ds2> Russ: indeed, suspend/resume works better on white
Aug 29 23:30:10 <Tenkawa> yay.. all my arm boxes including a bbb are running slackware again
Aug 29 23:31:55 <joel_> koen, 6 patches incoming
Aug 29 23:33:16 <joel_> Russ, btw the tick board, you ordered the pcb from oshpark?
Aug 29 23:33:24 <Russ> yup
Aug 29 23:33:41 <joel_> and for the soldering of parts?
Aug 29 23:33:59 <Russ> I got a stencil from ohararp
Aug 29 23:34:16 <Russ> I have a vacuum pen and a oven I use for assembly
Aug 29 23:34:50 <joel_> Russ, Cool. you soldered the ftdi by hand?
Aug 29 23:35:08 <Russ> ya, once you have a stencil stuff like that is pretty easy
Aug 29 23:35:44 <joel_> Russ, I have to learn that =)
Aug 29 23:36:29 <joel_> I guess that's how you soldered the xilinx fpga part on the older board as well
Aug 29 23:36:55 <Russ> ya, but I used a steel stencil for that
Aug 29 23:37:34 <joel_> I see...very cool.
Aug 29 23:38:28 <Russ> a steel stencil makes things much easier, but they aren't cheap
Aug 29 23:38:45 <Russ> oshstencils is out there now and there are much cheaper than ohararp
Aug 29 23:39:25 <joel_> and you'd laser cut that?
Aug 29 23:40:21 <joel_> if that made any sense.
Aug 29 23:40:27 <Russ> The steel stencil, I ordered it from 4pcb
Aug 29 23:41:10 <joel_> ahhh
Aug 29 23:42:00 <Russ> I originally did the tick without silk because the silk quality on oshpark was meh for 0402
Aug 29 23:42:04 <joel_> Russ, yeah oshstencils is just $5
Aug 29 23:42:18 <Russ> but I just got a board back and a new board house they are using has crazy silk quality
Aug 29 23:42:24 <Russ> http://i.imgur.com/hbou50k.jpg
Aug 29 23:43:01 <Russ> registration is a little off, but the actually quality is really good
Aug 29 23:43:37 <joel_> it looks pretty good quality silk
Aug 29 23:43:48 <joel_> yeah I heard good things about the silk quality there
Aug 29 23:44:33 <joel_> pretty impressive the tick itself, stencil stuff looks like it can be quite accurate
Aug 29 23:44:47 <joel_> Russ,  how much time did it take to solder all the parts for the tick?
Aug 29 23:45:04 <Russ> dunno, an hour or so for all three
Aug 29 23:45:18 <Russ> its just a manner of human pick and place
Aug 29 23:45:48 <joel_> right
Aug 29 23:45:48 <joel_> =)
Aug 29 23:46:02 <joel_> very cool.
Aug 29 23:51:45 <raskol> anyone cross compiled robert c nelson's linux kernel for beagle?
Aug 30 00:12:31 <ion> I did once, but nowadays the binary builds have all the config flags i need.
Aug 30 00:22:50 <nomel> hey, with the device tree fragments, what is "pinctrl-names" for?
Aug 30 00:23:00 <nomel> i see "default" in all of the examples
Aug 30 00:24:25 <nomel> err, never mind. i see non "default" values in a few of the dts in the lastest image.
Aug 30 00:24:44 <nomel> i suppose i could load one and see what happens.
Aug 30 00:35:36 <nomel> nevermind, it's explained in the https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/pub
Aug 30 00:35:48 <nomel> google search has a horrible time finding that doc.
Aug 30 00:36:49 <ds2> ah ha...getting somewhere
Aug 30 00:37:02 <ds2> PG2.x does not like the MPU going into retention
Aug 30 01:02:36 <CathyInBlue> Anyone have the Camera Cape?
Aug 30 01:23:48 <magyarm> m_billybob: Thanks again for your help the other day. Turns out I had my dunce cap on... was a flaky usb cable all a long
Aug 30 01:28:42 <m_billybob> good deal
Aug 30 01:29:05 <m_billybob> that you got it figured out that is
Aug 30 01:30:10 <magyarm> indeed. felt really stupid yesterday when it clicked
Aug 30 01:30:31 <magyarm> learned a lot about usb-ethernet gadget in the processs though, so not a complete waste of time :P
Aug 30 01:31:22 <m_billybob> ;)
Aug 30 01:37:19 <m_billybob> sometimes linux is an exercise in feelign silly
Aug 30 01:37:30 <m_billybob> been my experience anyhow
Aug 30 01:38:19 <m_billybob> "this cant be that easy can it ? really ?!
Aug 30 02:21:10 <nomel> hey m_billybob
Aug 30 02:21:17 <nomel> I SAID YO
Aug 30 02:21:57 <nomel> say someone made a device tree file for every gpio pin
Aug 30 02:22:02 <nomel> how would you want to reference that pin?
Aug 30 02:22:23 <nomel> by header name, like p8.3? or by gpio name, like gpio1_14
Aug 30 02:32:46 * mranostay has a urge to bike
Aug 30 02:40:47 <m_billybob> heh
Aug 30 02:41:11 <m_billybob> hi nomel
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