**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 30 02:59:58 2013 Aug 30 03:04:26 too late fool. the code has been wrot Aug 30 03:26:21 too late what ? you act as though im your personal information assistant or something Aug 30 03:26:32 that'll be $500 usd thank Aug 30 03:27:18 hehe Aug 30 03:27:46 m_billybob: paypal invoice for exact steps pleasE? pay you in rupies? Aug 30 03:28:39 ;) Aug 30 03:30:57 one of these ill actually have a whole day free to get on with my own stuff. Aug 30 03:31:04 one of these days Aug 30 03:53:43 bam, just generated dst file for all gpio configuration for all pins Aug 30 03:55:36 so, to use p8.26, you would call: echo tinker-gpio-P8.26 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.8/slots Aug 30 03:58:07 then, to set input with pullup, you would do: echo rxEnable_pullUp >/sys/devices/ocp*/gpio_P8.26_helper*/state Aug 30 03:58:45 so, if someone wants to fusk around with a single gpio, they can without writing a dts file. Aug 30 03:59:38 how about dem apples? Aug 30 03:59:54 made a python script to do it all for me. Aug 30 04:10:38 err, to generate it all for me. Aug 30 04:47:20 oh holy crap, dtbo filenames can only be 16 characters. Aug 30 04:47:23 wtf is this, 1970? Aug 30 04:47:24 jesus christ. Aug 30 04:57:14 nomel: talking to your self, will incur the wroth of the troll Aug 30 04:59:30 not talking to myself, i'm yelling at the world. there's a difference. :P Aug 30 05:00:54 so with this, people can make gpio libraries like before. Aug 30 05:49:55 it's not working. Aug 30 05:50:15 it sets all the bits in the mux mode register except the pull enable bit. Aug 30 05:50:17 wtf. Aug 30 06:38:07 bah, got it working. Aug 30 06:57:07 someone interested to go to ELCE by car from Paris ? Aug 30 06:58:26 apparently the dtbo files are cached or something. Aug 30 07:00:28 nomel, if you keep talking to yourself..The Wrath of the Troll will be upon you...for spamming the channel Aug 30 07:05:53 * mranostay troll goes to sleep Aug 30 07:20:43 mru: happy b-day troll Aug 30 07:26:30 .....You can't have just ONE 120VAC wire. Takes two. The electric company needs their electrons back...... Aug 30 07:26:41 heh Aug 30 07:28:07 yes you can Aug 30 07:28:35 try grabbing one while standing on a wet concrete floor and come back to tell us about it :D Aug 30 07:30:44 anyone login to beagle-fu.com? Aug 30 07:57:44 av500, there are actually parts of the world that supply electricity with a single conductor Aug 30 07:58:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return Aug 30 08:00:44 av500: something for your G+ stream? we proudly present this weekend's soundtrack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSReSGe200A Aug 30 08:06:43 my g+ "stream" does not take requests Aug 30 08:08:19 Russ: aint that confusing the migratory birds? Aug 30 08:17:23 https://github.com/nomel/beaglebone/tree/master/gpio-header Aug 30 08:17:29 there we go. Aug 30 08:17:47 now noobs wont have to mess with device tree for gpio. Aug 30 08:20:15 woo Aug 30 08:38:31 third day debugging some component I don't have the source of Aug 30 08:40:08 hi Aug 30 08:40:48 das: that's what disassemblers are for Aug 30 08:42:16 mru: won't cut it here Aug 30 08:42:50 I'm just running around in circles. At some point my boss will take action. Aug 30 08:42:56 hopefully Aug 30 08:43:53 and tie you to a stake? Aug 30 08:43:58 so.. i've added an i2c character display to the bbb's bus.. the lcd doc claims the slave address is 0x78(8 bit?). i2cdetect only shows to 0x77. how do i address it? Aug 30 08:44:04 ah no, you are tied, hence the cirlces Aug 30 08:46:02 should there be any configuration performed when building angstrom for beaglbone black aside those for beaglebone ? Aug 30 08:46:48 qt-x, I don't think so but not sure. Aug 30 08:49:50 well.. i guess i'll try spamming the bus and see if it talks to me Aug 30 08:54:54 that moment when you think it's like 2:30 and it's almost 5. meh Aug 30 09:04:01 hello, I would like to know how to change the polarity of the pwm in the driver. Can somebody help me? Aug 30 09:16:19 hello, I would like to know how to change the polarity of the pwm in the driver. Can somebody help me? Aug 30 09:19:05 shouldn't hust inverting the ratio do the trick? Aug 30 09:19:10 s/hust/just/ Aug 30 09:21:05 when I'm not sure if I don't understand the question or the answer maybe I need a cup of coffee... Aug 30 09:26:06 well to invert the polarity of a pwm out you just invert the ratio. eg. inv_percentage = 100 - non_inv_percentage. done. Aug 30 09:29:11 maybe he wants it to output -3.3V Aug 30 09:30:44 but i can't do that, because it's to control a motor, and when I call the device, by default it's set to high, so the motor start to run Aug 30 09:31:13 so I need to change the polarity of the driver, to have a low signal at that moment Aug 30 09:33:42 so how do you tell between a power loss and a true low signal? Aug 30 09:33:44 ;) Aug 30 09:33:50 well look into the driver what it's doing and if that can be parametrized. Aug 30 09:35:51 I looked at the driver, and I changed the value of something call pwms, that should change the polarity but it didn't work, so now i don't know what to do Aug 30 09:39:58 luis_: read up on http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/pwm/core.c#L412 Aug 30 09:40:31 see if the ti pwm supports that and ho it is wired to userspace Aug 30 09:41:56 ok, thank you very much Aug 30 09:44:44 luis_: a useful technique is to AC couple your PWM signal Aug 30 09:45:07 luis_: and then recover the DC bias with a diode. Aug 30 09:45:17 no PWM signal actively changing - motor goes off. Aug 30 09:46:02 the problem is that i have to do it by software, i can't add more hardware Aug 30 09:46:28 Do you mean the problem happens on initial boot ill your software starts? Aug 30 09:46:35 Or only once you enable the PWM Aug 30 09:46:37 yes Aug 30 09:47:03 I am unsure if it's possible to change the state before linux comes up - I suspect not. Aug 30 09:47:11 when I enable pwm, because after I changed by software, but this takes 50 ms, that make the motor spin Aug 30 09:47:28 ah Aug 30 09:47:36 yes, for sure that it's posible, but i don't know how Aug 30 09:47:39 Fix your software so that it does not delay Aug 30 09:48:26 This may involve reading the PWM section of the datasheet at least. Aug 30 09:48:31 but I need that delay, becouse without the delay I the program can't write the enable settings Aug 30 09:49:05 Err - 50ms delay will never ever be required for configuring stuff. Aug 30 09:49:08 in hardware. Aug 30 09:49:18 If the software requires this, it's a bug somewhere. Aug 30 09:49:44 (never ever is a stretch - but not for stuff like this) Aug 30 09:50:18 but i tried without the delay and it didn't work Aug 30 09:50:32 What language are you using, and what library. Aug 30 09:50:44 i'm using C language Aug 30 09:51:25 Are you directly poking the kernel driver? Aug 30 09:51:27 and to write that, i'm using the fuction write_str Aug 30 09:52:23 i think so Aug 30 09:52:48 I would suggest: First read the bit of the datasheet of the SOC about PWM modules. Aug 30 09:53:00 Then have a read over the PWM driver for comments Aug 30 09:53:12 have you tried reducing the delay below 50ms? Aug 30 09:53:36 yes, and it's the minimun time that i can wait Aug 30 09:53:56 i think that there's a basic problem somewhere. so *what* file are you poking with your "write_str" function? Aug 30 09:54:01 What is your PWm interval? Aug 30 09:55:26 i use: write_str("echo am33xx_pwm > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.8/slots"); Aug 30 09:55:49 and then another write_str with the bone_pwm_P9_14 Aug 30 09:57:02 ah, so you basically just activate the pwm some time during userspace runtime. Aug 30 09:57:29 why not fix up your DT so pwm gets correctly set up and initialized already during boot? Aug 30 09:57:50 oh sorry, i don't use write_str, I use system(""); Aug 30 09:57:58 worse, even. Aug 30 09:58:15 and to write the period and the duty I use the write_str Aug 30 09:58:18 you basically fire up a whole shell just for echoing *one* character. Aug 30 09:58:36 To my surprice the BBB is quite capable as server for calendaring (SOGo) and web (Zotonic) als long as the number of concurrent requests is low. Very nice. Aug 30 09:58:36 so IMHO your approach is completely wrong. Aug 30 09:59:09 so my advice: fix your dts. Aug 30 10:00:15 \join #gnuradio Aug 30 10:00:36 oops Aug 30 10:00:56 Is what i'm trying to do, but I don't know how to fix the polarity Aug 30 10:01:17 You don't. Aug 30 10:01:26 you configure it to the output you want. Aug 30 10:01:29 no, it obviously is not what you are trying to do. Aug 30 10:01:35 So 100% Pwm Aug 30 10:02:42 yes, I changed the pwms values of the dts to have a normal polarity instead of inverted, but it didn't work Aug 30 10:03:42 then there are two possibilites: a) you messed up somewhere on the way from changing the dts to the actually used dtb (very possible) or b) the driver does not support that (not so likely, but also possible.) Aug 30 10:04:06 but i guess you messed it up, or you would not need that echo command to get your pwms ready. Aug 30 10:04:37 they obviously do not get setup during boot, so your dt is faulty. go search there instead of any other place. Aug 30 10:05:47 ok, i will have a look, thanks Aug 30 10:40:24 /quit Aug 30 11:06:44 mru: ping Aug 30 11:07:21 would it be possible to use gprof to count the number of milliseconds since program execution ? I need a function which will accurately give me the time elapsed in milliseconds since program execution began. Aug 30 11:12:10 man rusage Aug 30 11:40:05 mru thanks ! Aug 30 12:30:08 * norbi says hi to everyone Aug 30 12:41:14 guys, are u using gwak? Aug 30 12:46:31 angstrom build error for beaglebone http://pastebin.com/7nQZ9kVu image cloud9-gnome-image Aug 30 12:46:57 did any body found a solution to this problem ? Aug 30 12:47:24 host system ubuntu 12.4 LTS Aug 30 13:07:46 * DoNotEat the SilicaGel Aug 30 13:10:45 * norbi is bored, his laptop is brand new but a shit brand and useless Aug 30 13:14:26 you get what you pay for Aug 30 13:15:08 mru: 1000$ Aug 30 13:15:30 mru: or more even Aug 30 13:15:33 won't get you much of a laptop Aug 30 13:15:52 double it and things look much better Aug 30 13:15:57 still no vga card only the stupid hd4000 intel graphics Aug 30 13:16:16 mru: i dont know exactly its price, its a hp elitebook Aug 30 13:16:18 onchip intel is fine for me Aug 30 13:16:31 mru: but it sucks Aug 30 13:16:47 the ivy bridge i7 does all I need Aug 30 13:16:57 mru: same here Aug 30 13:17:09 but the cpu is strong Aug 30 13:17:33 but the video not, if i have to render something on it, it cracks on himself Aug 30 13:18:09 mru: and no HDMI output ?? on a EliteBook? no hdmi Aug 30 13:18:37 its not probook not economic or basic, its a freakin elitebook and no hdmi output Aug 30 13:18:59 mine has hdmi out Aug 30 13:19:43 mru: its HP? Aug 30 13:19:58 sony Aug 30 13:20:31 mru: .. yea, my other old, low cost asus has hdmi even Aug 30 13:20:49 mru: but i looked up for this ones price, ist kinda 1400Euro Aug 30 13:21:04 so i kinda complain about hdmi Aug 30 13:21:59 take it back Aug 30 13:22:12 XorA: ? Aug 30 13:22:54 to store and swap for different Aug 30 13:23:11 I LOVE my Asus Zenbook Prime. It was only $1000 Aug 30 13:23:17 XorA: i guess i will... never liked hp notebooks Aug 30 13:23:35 georgem: ASUS is freakin lovable, i love asus and acer Aug 30 13:23:41 * XorA has a Yoga, badly supported by Linux, but amusing none the less Aug 30 13:23:57 I like the sony Aug 30 13:24:24 georgem: that Asus, omg its amazing looking one Aug 30 13:25:19 yeah, has 1080p IPS display which is really nice Aug 30 13:25:37 georgem: good luck with it Aug 30 13:25:51 norbi: thanks. good luck getting something you like Aug 30 13:26:13 georgem: as XorA said, i will take in consideration of changing mine, but the problem is ive got this as a gift... dunno how to solve then .. ^^ Aug 30 13:26:30 oh.. yeah. I see Aug 30 13:26:38 after building and deploying angstrom-distro (systemd-image) After I enter user(root) the system just holds and does nothing any idea how to fix this ? Aug 30 13:27:25 norbi: ah more difficult then! Aug 30 13:28:37 http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Plated-Premium-Adapter/dp/B00879ELGA think that'll work to make BBB into mame ? Aug 30 13:28:47 My mame cabginet has a celeron 400 in it and the audio drops in and out Aug 30 13:29:02 I only play old school games on it though, it's a cocktail style cabinet. Moon Patrol is my favorite. Aug 30 13:30:03 NIce! Aug 30 13:30:18 audio dropping isn't nice Aug 30 13:30:19 wait, but that's a mini Aug 30 13:30:21 i'm confused now Aug 30 13:30:29 I want MICRO don't I Aug 30 13:31:15 yes, micro Aug 30 13:31:23 oh they have a micro one too Aug 30 13:31:56 do you think the audio will work? http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#HDMI_Cables says the vga part works Aug 30 13:32:35 I should make my kids a mame cabinet. They'd probably just say "This is dumb, I want an xbox one" *sigh* Aug 30 13:32:41 probably Aug 30 13:32:48 they will also call you old Aug 30 13:32:53 GRR! Aug 30 13:33:14 here can i show you mine Aug 30 13:33:22 it's totally finished now so these pics are kind of old Aug 30 13:33:26 http://www.autofrog.com/~chrisp/Projects/Mame/pictures.htm Aug 30 13:33:58 my wife would freak. she is huge pacman nerd Aug 30 13:34:33 is she a purist or are derivatives like Ms and Super ok Aug 30 13:34:55 I think she likes all of them although original is still her favorite Aug 30 13:35:22 I was most fond of mspacman for a while but there's one called superpacman where the screen scrolls left and right (huge maze) Aug 30 13:35:31 and it has these special super pills you can take that make you HUGE Aug 30 13:35:39 (in addition to the ones that just turn the ghosts blue) Aug 30 13:36:04 hi, what happens if I have a short-circuit at the GPIO which current flows then? and the beagle can be destroyed? Aug 30 13:36:26 From just shorting one GPIO pin? I sort of doubt it Aug 30 13:36:55 you could possibly destroy the driver on that one pin though Aug 30 13:37:02 * norbi says bye Aug 30 13:37:39 ich habe einen transistor basis direkt angeschlossen ohne vorwiderstand Aug 30 13:37:46 I have a transistor base connected directly without Protective resistor Aug 30 13:38:04 you went pin to base of what an NPN? Aug 30 13:38:09 with no current limiting resistor? Aug 30 13:38:20 right without Aug 30 13:38:35 hmm. Aug 30 13:38:40 but it works Aug 30 13:38:52 yeah, but it's definitely not a good idea Aug 30 13:39:24 aber ich habe angst das der gpio dadurch überlastet wird Aug 30 13:39:31 but I fear that the gpio is overloaded by Aug 30 13:39:50 one language is plenty Aug 30 13:40:43 eine sprache ist genug Aug 30 13:40:59 ok Aug 30 13:41:42 the output has a current limitation or it is destroyed by overload Aug 30 13:42:17 don't depend on it Aug 30 13:42:41 it's not good for anything involved Aug 30 13:43:07 yes that is clear but I have a faulty circuit board Aug 30 13:55:39 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/MaKnVg Aug 30 13:55:39 kernel/3.8 26227d4 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add PMU to DT... Aug 30 13:59:44 hello? Aug 30 14:18:19 anyone here have experience with Qt on BBB? I've tried going done the Angstrom-Distribution path (.i.e. setup-scripts using the angstrom-v2013.06-yocto1.4 branch). Aug 30 14:18:42 I don't, but I'm interseted in hearing how it goes. Aug 30 14:18:54 I have only done hello world things in qt Aug 30 14:19:05 DoNotEat, Not so good so far... Aug 30 14:20:33 cfo215: it should be a lot better if you update your copy of the setupscripts :) Aug 30 14:20:34 cross-compiling doesn't work on my Ubuntu Aug 30 14:20:39 and do oebb.sh update Aug 30 14:20:52 cfo215: and switch to another distro, ubuntu is crap Aug 30 14:21:25 koen, i'm using the angstrom-v2013.06-yocto1.4 branch... isn't that what I need? Aug 30 14:21:43 for BeagleBone Black that is. Aug 30 14:21:52 koen, so I hear about ubuntu. Aug 30 14:22:49 koen, so what distro do you recommend? Aug 30 14:25:59 koen, I see, you can bash Ubuntu, but don't want to go "on the record" as to what is "better". Aug 30 14:27:41 koen works on angstrom Aug 30 14:28:49 he's not biaised thoug, ubuntu sucks Aug 30 14:29:10 thurgood, yeah, I know that, he's the keeper of the github for Angstrom-Distribution. Ok, so what's your distro of choice then? Aug 30 14:29:51 thurgood, but what does he use on his Desktop?// Angtrom is ARM, and I don't think that he's developing on an ARM machine. Aug 30 14:30:15 cfo215: OSX I beleive Aug 30 14:30:36 XorA, thanks Aug 30 14:30:52 das, what's your distro of choice then? Aug 30 14:31:13 cfo215: for a desktop you mean ? Aug 30 14:31:13 I use ubuntu for development in a vm Aug 30 14:31:18 there is a choice ?? Aug 30 14:31:26 I thought there was only Debian Aug 30 14:31:31 but I'm only a troll Aug 30 14:31:42 hi! can anyone please give me a short hint what this archive contains: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/toolchains/angstrom-eglibc-x86_64-armv7a-vfp-neon-v2012.12-toolchain.gz It is a single file inside, in contrast this one looks like a normal toolchain archive http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/toolchains/angstrom-2011.03-x86_64-linux-armv7a-linux-gnueabi-toolchain-qte-4.6.3.tar.bz2 Aug 30 14:31:45 das, LMAF Aug 30 14:31:55 LMAO... Aug 30 14:32:06 ubuntu's main problem is that it's bloated, not such a problem in a desktop OS Aug 30 14:32:35 thurgood, yeah, I'll give you that. Aug 30 14:33:31 I tried Fedora once but it was so different from Ubuntu that I had to go back. I'm just too used to using it to take the time and learn something new. Aug 30 14:34:44 thurgood, I'll throw Debian in a VM and see if I like it. Aug 30 14:36:19 if you're comfortable with ubuntu as your dev environment, I personally would stick with it Aug 30 14:37:25 where I'd be more likely to go with something unfamiliar is the board itself Aug 30 14:37:53 i think most people are using ubuntu as desktop (in virtualbox) + angstrom toolchain to cross compile Aug 30 14:40:37 unfortunately google does not give much info on angstrom, and it seems to have its specifics. the strange thing is that the beaglebone should be for amateurs and then you get not only linux but also a hard one where you can't get much information for, neither a single book Aug 30 14:46:24 Anguel, perhaps it's a conspiracy on Google's part... since the created Androild.. which is a flavor of linux... Aug 30 14:46:28 lol Aug 30 14:46:57 wow, can't type today... they created Android not Androild... Aug 30 14:53:31 Anguel, in a VB for isolation from their desktop? Aug 30 14:55:20 a VB has many advantages. you can create snapshots so if something goes wrong you can go back. and you can run ubuntu inside your windows. if you have a nice CPU and much RAM it is fantastic. Aug 30 14:57:17 Very true, I forgot about the snapshots... haven't used VirtualBox in a long time. My PC is quad-core with 24Gb of RAM. Should handle it nicely. Aug 30 14:58:08 I think so :-) And I thought that 12 GB is much RAM :-) Aug 30 14:58:12 Anguel, please tell me you're not using Windoze for your desktop OS. Yuck. Aug 30 14:58:58 I have Win7 here as I am actually new to Linux. Have many progs that I need and they are available only for Win Aug 30 14:59:00 Anguel, ok... I must admit that my home PC is Windoze 7... Aug 30 14:59:16 but all my real work is done on Ubutntu Aug 30 14:59:21 Ubuntu Aug 30 14:59:59 I think Angstrom handles many things in a different way from Ubuntu Aug 30 15:00:00 Anguel, The only thing I keep it around for is Photoshop. Aug 30 15:01:27 Well, I haven't had any real Win problems starting with XP Aug 30 15:02:13 Anguel, I'm sure your right about that. I started with windows 3.0, a long time ago... in a galaxy far, far away... Aug 30 15:02:46 Anguel, windows 7 has been the most stable for me.. but I really abuse my systems. Aug 30 15:03:52 me too, I have hundreds of progs on my XP. it is slow but works flawlessly Aug 30 15:04:36 now I got a new lenovo machine with haswell i7 - i really like it so far - much better than the expensive dells Aug 30 15:05:01 didn't expect such a good machine and they give you win7 preinstalled + win8 recovery dvds Aug 30 15:05:43 you don't hear any fans at all and they use rubber-mounting Aug 30 15:09:47 how does the wifi wor on it Anguel Aug 30 15:11:11 Anguel: you got an i7 but not a SSD ? Aug 30 15:19:28 DoNotEat: wifi works very good, it is Intel Aug 30 15:19:41 das: how do you know? :-) Aug 30 15:20:55 das: SSD costs too much if you need more space and I am not sure it is needed for cross-compiling Aug 30 15:21:25 you said it uses rubber mounts Aug 30 15:22:03 I prefer having a kickass desktop and a crappy laptop than the other way around Aug 30 15:22:09 das: a ok, I meant the fans on the enclosure but maybe also the hdd, didn't look carefully Aug 30 15:22:50 das: the problem is that you can't take it home. I still think about buying a mobile workstation Aug 30 15:23:30 but laptops are always slower, they heat up and are loud Aug 30 15:24:02 and mostly offer less disk space Aug 30 15:24:38 cfo215: do a git pull in the v2013.06 branch and a oebb.sh update Aug 30 15:25:45 koen, I'm bit baking it right now. I'll let you know how it goes. Aug 30 15:32:18 cfo215: what are you trying to do? Aug 30 15:33:55 Anguel, trying to get Qt 4 working on beablebone black console-image. I.e. no X11. Had problems with the toolchain created not finding the proper libraries. so no cross-compiling was working. Aug 30 15:35:12 cfo215: which one is the console image? is it under /toolchains on the website? Aug 30 15:36:06 console image is just a rootfs that doesn't use an X server Aug 30 15:36:43 no, you have to build it using the setup-scripts from https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/setup-scripts. also see http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom. Aug 30 15:37:11 a ok, so you have to build it yourself, no ready made image Aug 30 15:38:18 Anguel, correct. And as thurgood said, it's a minimal image, no X server. Which I don't need (X11), since I'm using Qt for my application. The end goal is to have the BBB boot into the Qt app. Aug 30 15:38:42 using qws Aug 30 15:38:53 Anguel, exactly. Aug 30 15:39:18 cfo215: do you have an idea what this image is for? http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/toolchains/angstrom-eglibc-x86_64-armv7a-vfp-neon-v2012.12-toolchain.gz Aug 30 15:39:48 cfo215: it contains a single 71 MB text file if I see correctly Aug 30 15:40:42 Anguel, that looks like the toolchain for the X86_64 processors. It's actually a shell-script that installs the toolchain. Aug 30 15:41:41 if you unzip it in your VM you should be able to run it in your virtual machine Aug 30 15:41:42 cfo215: hm, so how does it compare to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/toolchains/angstrom-2011.03-x86_64-linux-armv7a-linux-gnueabi-toolchain-qte-4.6.3.tar.bz2 sorry I am confused :-( Aug 30 15:42:32 does it make sense to ask here for help reg. HDMI? Aug 30 15:42:37 Anguel, if you look at the size difference you'll see the difference. Qt has a lot of additional "needs" Aug 30 15:42:42 Anguel: 1.5 years of development apart Aug 30 15:43:49 koen: but there is no gueabi and no qt inside? sorry, I just learn how to cross compile and don't know which one to use Aug 30 15:43:59 koen, is right. the version 4.6.3 is old. Current image should be on 4.8.x, assuming the v2013.06 branch of the setup-scripts. Aug 30 15:44:23 it says v2012.12 :) Aug 30 15:44:28 so prolly 4.7.x Aug 30 15:44:56 I was going to get the old toolchain and just compile the new qt as done here: http://www.cloud-rocket.com/2013/07/building-qt-for-beaglebone/ Aug 30 15:45:41 or is this the wrong way? Aug 30 15:46:35 koen, virtual/kernel is almost done baking. I'll bake console-image, and then meta-toolchain-qte and see what happens. Aug 30 15:48:46 Anguel, try it and see what happens. It's a way to do it. It depends on what your end goal is. Aug 30 15:49:57 cfo215: the same as yours :-) Aug 30 15:51:06 cfo215: qt with qws. btw, do you have any idea if qt5 will run at all as it does not use qws, or is there some compatibility mode? Aug 30 15:52:23 Anguel, I'm trying to use the OpenEmbedded, Yocto tools, for keeping my development efforts "consistent", that way I can use recipes for adding additional functions to my images. Aug 30 15:52:34 who was the guy i was talkign to who professionally did LED pixel light displays, very large ones Aug 30 15:54:04 Anguel, don't know if Qt5 will work, in theory it should. Theres' a howto for raspberry pi somewhere. should be similar for BBB. Aug 30 15:54:40 cfo215: raspberry has opengl afaik, BBB does not in the 3.8 kernel Aug 30 15:55:10 cfo215: raspberry even has a device buildfile ready made for raspberry Aug 30 15:55:32 Anguel, you seem to know more about it than I do. Aug 30 15:56:19 cfo215: I am a complete newby - just watched a youtube video on qt 5 and looked under architectures /devices yesterday Aug 30 15:56:29 I know the Qt5 openembedded recipes are not ready for prime-time yet. Aug 30 15:56:51 Anguel, better to be a newby than a noob. Aug 30 15:57:25 cfo215: I think the problem is that there was opengl in 3.2, now there is none in 3.8 and maybe there will be in 3.12 :-) Aug 30 15:57:47 but unfortunately noone realy seems to care about BBB at Qt Aug 30 15:58:42 i think it ti who has to do the gpu driver Aug 30 15:59:23 Anguel, it's all too bleading edge for me. Aug 30 16:00:08 If I could get a 4x6 touchscreen working with my arduino I'd be a happy man :) Aug 30 16:00:29 cfo215: but you seem to be very experienced with openembedded, I am happy if I am able to get the premade toolchain to work :-) Aug 30 16:01:05 Anguel, not really, but I've learned a lot over the past month's frustrations... Aug 30 16:01:52 cfo215: you mean it is not good to work with the premade images? Aug 30 16:02:11 The people at #yocto have been very helpful with the OE/Yocto stuff and koen is doing a good job keeping Angstrom going. Aug 30 16:03:03 cfo215: what are you trying to do? why not just work with the premade images? Aug 30 16:03:22 Anguel, no, I didn't say that. If you can work with them than I would. I just have a bigger picture view. My application has multiple parts and multiple libraries, prerequites and what not. Aug 30 16:03:51 Anguel, sorry, cant seem to type today... prerequisites. Aug 30 16:04:31 cfo215: a ok, so you could not just add them to the image and turn off the stuff you don't need Aug 30 16:04:37 Anguel, Open Embedded allows me to add my own recipes to the build process. That way when I build an image, everything I need is already in there. Aug 30 16:04:54 Anguel, exactly. Aug 30 16:05:39 cfo215: are there any good docs to look at? these recipes just compile what you need? Aug 30 16:06:24 cfo215: there also seems to be some online image builder but that probably does not work for BBB Aug 30 16:07:00 cfo215: I mean this one: http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/ Aug 30 16:08:03 https://www.yoctoproject.org/documentation is a good place to start Aug 30 16:08:47 Anguel, Angstrom uses Yocto for kernel/rootfs building. Aug 30 16:10:57 Anguel, if you decide to go that route make sure you check out the switch to the v2013.06 branch of the setup-scripts. You need that for the BBB. Aug 30 16:12:10 Anguel, I wouldn't use that unless you have a specific board from the list. e.g., beagleboard (which is actually Beagleboard-xM) asfaik, not BBB. Aug 30 16:14:19 cfo215: thanks for the info, I will start slowly first with the premade angstrom images Aug 30 16:15:15 Anguel, good luck. I hope you're path will be easier than mine has been. Aug 30 16:16:04 cfo215: what were the problems in summary? i think the main problem is the lack of consistent docs Aug 30 16:16:29 cfo215: or of any docs :) Aug 30 16:20:28 Anguel, true that. The documentation is scattered, weak, or non-existent. I've learned most of what I know from the people at #yocto. The yocto project docs are probably the best for OE/Yocto build system. Aug 30 16:20:59 cfo215: thanks for the info. omg, I have to go now, my wife is waiting :-) good luck with your image! Aug 30 16:21:37 Anguel, to answer your question. There's not much out there that's good for BBB. I'm especially pissed off at the DAs that say they've figured out how to do something, but don't share what they did... Aug 30 16:21:58 Anguel, thanks Aug 30 16:22:10 cfo215: what are DAs? Aug 30 16:22:20 Dumb Asses Aug 30 16:22:31 :-) Aug 30 16:23:03 yes, the BBB is so nice but people are crazy about the r pi Aug 30 16:23:26 yep, I have one :-> Aug 30 16:23:42 It's a lot slower than the BBB though. Aug 30 16:23:48 and no comment about TI - I start to hate this company, really. had problems with their cortex m some time ago Aug 30 16:24:26 instead of working on angstrom they seem to support their sdk only Aug 30 16:25:11 Like I said though, if I could get my project working on my arduinos, that would be the bomb... but I need it to work with a 4"x6" or bigger touchscreen. Aug 30 16:26:03 Plus, no Qt on arduino. Aug 30 16:26:42 these guys are just slow, I have just tested something with cypress psoc 5, they give you the emWin (Segger) for free but this thing is slow, it runs at 66 MHz, the BBB is at 1 GHz Aug 30 16:26:58 Anguel, seems like it. The do help with the BSP though. Aug 30 16:27:15 who helps? Aug 30 16:27:27 Cypress? Segger? Aug 30 16:27:37 Ti afaik Aug 30 16:27:38 or arduino? Aug 30 16:28:04 well they sell many CPUs for the BBB and they don't sell them for free Aug 30 16:28:14 Anguel, true that. Aug 30 16:28:42 I hate these big companies, they have so many ressources but are not able to use them Aug 30 16:29:00 Anguel, Ti has an open-source project, Arago, but I don't know too much about it. Aug 30 16:29:27 That's why I left Microsoft products so many years ago. Aug 30 16:29:52 yes, why arago and not angstrom? angstrom has been chosen as the official linux for BBB Aug 30 16:31:47 I would think they would all support the BBB better. Circuitco, and Ti. The BBB support documents are laughable for the most part. Unless you just want a gadget to play with. Aug 30 16:32:11 I'm actually trying to create a marketable product based on the BBB. Aug 30 16:33:09 I am slo looking for something like this. for small companies this is wonderful. the HW is superb, but as usual the software is the problem Aug 30 16:33:28 That's where I loose my patience. I could be buying a thousand units if my prototype goes well. Aug 30 16:34:15 ok, I really have to go now, good luck and maybe we can chat again these days Aug 30 16:34:33 Anguel, I will credit Cicuitco, they are trying to help me a bit. Aug 30 16:34:54 Anguel, sure thing, got to keep the missus happy! Aug 30 16:35:14 it's probably too late :-) Aug 30 16:35:18 bye Aug 30 16:35:19 LMAO Aug 30 16:35:22 bye Aug 30 16:36:06 What are the default settings for the BBB user LEDs? Aug 30 16:38:19 "omfg my eyes!" bright Aug 30 16:38:36 or did they fix that in A5? Aug 30 16:59:34 They are not deadly bright on A5 Aug 30 17:00:38 they are bright on my A5C Aug 30 17:01:14 I meant what are they programmed to do Aug 30 17:01:34 One is a heart beat, I imagine another is SD? What are all in order Aug 30 17:03:12 Google Aug 30 17:10:51 Splat, RTFM... page 36 ... "Four blue LEDs that can be controlled via the SW by setting the GPIO pins." and Page 61 which tells you which pins to use. Aug 30 17:12:38 he left to soon :( Aug 30 17:13:25 Anyone get any kind of client-side file sharing going with Angstrom? NFS, Samba/CIFS, sshfs, other? Aug 30 17:22:57 Hey guys Aug 30 17:23:04 Ive been having troubles Aug 30 17:23:13 and getting frusterated with the BBB Aug 30 17:23:32