**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 04 02:59:58 2013 Sep 04 03:10:35 XorA: you got a nice pub picked out for me within walking distance of the ELCE hotel? Sep 04 03:58:34 \quit Sep 04 04:17:56 hola everyone Sep 04 04:24:58 What a bunch of cheats! Sep 04 04:25:20 who's cheating? Sep 04 04:26:01 you americans Sep 04 04:26:02 :) Sep 04 04:26:06 mrpacket_: what is the refresh rate of DMX typically again Sep 04 04:26:09 Team Oracale Sep 04 04:26:14 ha ha Sep 04 04:26:16 I don't work or Oracle Sep 04 04:26:19 *for Sep 04 04:26:20 just got busted Sep 04 04:26:54 typical is 44fps Sep 04 04:27:06 but anythign begween 1 and 50 is permisiable Sep 04 04:28:48 mranostay: what you building Sep 04 04:28:54 a dmx controlled geiger? Sep 04 04:29:04 just thinking Sep 04 04:30:50 FPGA worked a treat for it Sep 04 04:31:01 fantastic idea Sep 04 04:33:10 which one did you go with? Sep 04 04:33:20 the blank canvas one? Sep 04 04:33:33 Spartan III? Sep 04 04:36:44 yes, i've used the bcc Sep 04 04:36:51 i'm goign to merge it all togehter now Sep 04 04:36:57 rather than the stack of capes Sep 04 04:37:44 mrpacket_: doing RDM or not/ Sep 04 04:37:45 ? Sep 04 04:38:51 yes, RDM Sep 04 04:38:58 bidirectional Sep 04 04:39:15 mrpacket_: could you post a sigrok dump of DMX and/or RDM? :) Sep 04 04:39:32 sigrok? Sep 04 04:39:37 not srue what sigrok is Sep 04 04:40:18 project i'm involved with Sep 04 04:45:06 good project ? Hi mrpacket_, mranostay Sep 04 04:47:46 yeah Sep 04 04:47:54 giving a talk at ELC about it Sep 04 04:48:00 ELC-E rather Sep 04 04:51:34 nomel, the talking to yourelf troll Sep 04 04:51:37 nice to see you back Sep 04 04:52:20 lol Sep 04 04:52:37 ARM wants me to go to techcon apparently Sep 04 04:52:40 you need to have thick skin at #beagle Sep 04 04:53:01 too bad im no where near silicon valley Sep 04 04:53:08 the best way to annouce your newbie-ish is to login using a Guest5424 user-anem Sep 04 04:53:34 #open-cv projects have been in decline Sep 04 04:53:37 anyone know why? Sep 04 04:53:54 because um . . . lol hell if i know Sep 04 04:54:01 and i see why arm wants me to come now Sep 04 04:54:02 you can only draw so many beagle staches? Sep 04 04:54:05 EARLY BIRD PRICING (expires Sept. 6) Sep 04 04:54:05 ALL ACCESS PASS $999 | 2-DAY PASS $799 | 1-DAY PASS $499 | FREE EXPO-ONLY PASS Sep 04 04:54:46 wonder what these passes include ? free hotel and food for the whole stay ? Sep 04 04:54:55 plus plane ticket to get there ? Sep 04 04:55:00 ( and back ) Sep 04 04:58:00 so i have a bit of a quandry here. I cd into a directory and issue du -h . and get 100M back but df -h /directory shows im using 272M . . . hmmm Sep 04 04:59:32 mrpacket_ btw just build my first custom rootfs ( wheezy ) and with just openssh-server installed. its 100M in size Sep 04 05:00:00 74M withotu openssh-server Sep 04 05:01:02 heh Sep 04 05:05:38 there are smaller alternatives to openssh-server if needed Sep 04 05:05:51 wont need it at all when done Sep 04 05:08:47 jkridner: hi mom Sep 04 05:11:43 +1 Sep 04 05:24:21 koen: are you on the meta-ti ML? Sep 04 05:26:04 I'm in a discussion about which versions of libgles-omap3/omap3-sgx-modules work for omap3530. Last time I tried I had instant lockup problems, do you know if that is fixed? Sep 04 05:26:51 av500: no ELCE? Sep 04 05:44:47 mranostay: sponsor me? Sep 04 05:46:39 av500: heh unlikely Sep 04 05:46:55 i barely pull off enough charm to get sponsered :P Sep 04 05:47:00 Has anyone managed to read SPI1 on a BBB running angstrom? Sep 04 05:47:13 christ Sep 04 05:47:25 * mranostay remembers why he parted this channel Sep 04 05:54:18 JIHAD! Sep 04 05:54:30 hi Sep 04 05:55:10 helllo alll... Sep 04 05:56:16 i connected my beaglebone white to pc via usb,,,,but leds are not lighting up....y is this... Sep 04 05:57:18 bad cable? Sep 04 05:57:26 PC off? Sep 04 05:58:11 no.. Sep 04 05:58:13 pc on Sep 04 05:58:17 cable good Sep 04 05:58:25 power led is lighting up Sep 04 05:58:35 i meant the other 4 leds Sep 04 05:58:50 sd card inside? Sep 04 05:58:55 sd card good? Sep 04 05:58:59 will it be in off state only through out...?? Sep 04 05:59:10 sd card is inside Sep 04 05:59:15 inserted Sep 04 05:59:42 have you still got the box Sep 04 05:59:43 and i can access through hyperterminal Sep 04 06:00:00 you must put the box in the right part of the flux feild Sep 04 06:00:05 Guest29530: you can= Sep 04 06:00:08 Guest29530: you can? Sep 04 06:00:11 so what do you see? Sep 04 06:00:14 so, that the hyper-portal space warp works Sep 04 06:00:21 by entering username as root... Sep 04 06:00:27 am able to see... Sep 04 06:00:55 am able to access... Sep 04 06:01:04 so Sep 04 06:01:09 what is the problem? Sep 04 06:01:21 my doubt is ...the led will be in off state only throughout ???? Sep 04 06:01:45 clear Sep 04 06:03:03 av500....will the LED USR 0,1,2,3 be in off state always or not... Sep 04 06:03:12 no idea Sep 04 06:03:18 depends on what SW you run on the board Sep 04 06:03:32 ok....thanks Sep 04 06:03:36 got it Sep 04 06:03:58 suppose if i want to on led usr1 ...wot shud i do.... Sep 04 06:05:03 av500...how can i switch on led usr 1 Sep 04 06:21:57 did you google it? Sep 04 06:22:11 can you get google to turn on a lED? Sep 04 06:22:13 wow. Sep 04 06:22:17 i know they are big Sep 04 06:22:19 but thats crazy Sep 04 06:22:28 Sep 04 06:22:29 and IED? Sep 04 06:22:42 * av500 calls the bomb squad Sep 04 06:22:54 * av500 sends a SWAT team to Portland Sep 04 06:23:05 Dodgy people in Portland Sep 04 06:23:09 mrpacket_: can we KK the BBB? Sep 04 06:23:22 thats almost a song Sep 04 06:23:28 KK the bb Sep 04 06:23:37 av500: we can do anything Sep 04 06:23:46 if we belive Sep 04 06:23:46 sky's the limit Sep 04 06:24:00 just close your eyes, and imagine Sep 04 06:24:13 if I close my eyes, you stop to exist Sep 04 06:24:18 do you really want that? Sep 04 07:22:42 gurus, wheres the right place to put { } Sep 04 07:23:06 static void blah(void) { Sep 04 07:23:14 or static void blah (void) Sep 04 07:23:15 { Sep 04 07:23:25 a question of style? Sep 04 07:23:51 https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/CodingStyle Sep 04 07:23:56 says 2 Sep 04 07:39:22 it seems like the cape manager is caching the dtbo files. Sep 04 07:39:29 is there a way to flush the cache or force a reload? Sep 04 07:42:03 nomel, it's not the cape manager Sep 04 07:42:09 it's the kernel's firmware loader Sep 04 07:42:11 figured. Sep 04 07:42:27 is there a way to flush that? Sep 04 07:42:34 there's a simplest way Sep 04 07:42:36 rename the dtbo Sep 04 07:42:47 not quite a flush :P Sep 04 07:43:04 it's the closest thing we have Sep 04 07:43:38 hrmm...so any realtime dtbo generation would have to have some sort of timestamp. Sep 04 07:43:47 err..generation and loading. Sep 04 07:46:29 nomel, ideally the firmware should be flushed Sep 04 07:48:23 it should be pretty easy to add a sysfs attribute to flush Sep 04 08:00:04 just generated device tree files for led control of all individual gpioable pins. Sep 04 08:19:30 https://github.com/nomel/beaglebone/tree/master/led-header Sep 04 08:20:25 for example: to set up P9.16 as a gpio-led, "echo led-P9.16 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots" Sep 04 08:22:07 interesting Sep 04 08:28:51 http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/vim-koans/ Sep 04 08:32:27 i hate debuging PIC micro C Sep 04 08:33:06 it's hard to understand why people still use pic , when you can get an ARM for <0.99$ Sep 04 08:39:03 you can get a pic for half that. Sep 04 08:39:09 less in volume Sep 04 08:52:25 yeah. Pics are really good for some stuff Sep 04 08:52:36 they are feature rich Sep 04 08:52:40 like being a challenge to develop. Sep 04 08:52:47 also, the beefy 5V i/o of typical 8 bit µCs is awfully convenient when making mixed analog/digital circuits Sep 04 08:52:49 :P Sep 04 08:53:06 dys. yes. Sep 04 08:53:31 and seeing i have 19,000 units in feild Sep 04 08:53:36 i'm sort of stuck Sep 04 08:56:12 panto: I have something similar for gpio: https://github.com/nomel/beaglebone/tree/master/gpio-header Sep 04 09:42:24 hi Sep 04 09:43:07 do you know how to run an c# windows application in beagle bone black linux distribution Sep 04 09:43:27 can anyone halp me in this Sep 04 09:43:44 easy: not at all. Sep 04 09:43:53 the BB doesn't run windows. Sep 04 09:44:11 just get a windows machine Sep 04 09:45:31 i fount there is mono which runs windows application on linux platforms did anyone tried this before Sep 04 09:45:41 wrong. Sep 04 09:46:19 it's sometimes possible to run certain .net apps after a fashion under wine+mono Sep 04 09:46:27 mono provides a part of the runtime environment, but a rather small one. especially it does NOT provide the windows forms part. Sep 04 09:46:27 but usually it doesn't quite work right Sep 04 09:46:52 wine on beaglebone black? teheh Sep 04 09:46:58 no, on a pc Sep 04 09:47:11 if you really must run windows apps, get a real windows machine Sep 04 09:47:13 so it basically kind-of works if the .net application has been written specifically with mono in mind. in all other cases, it does not. Sep 04 09:47:29 exactly. get a windows machine. Sep 04 09:47:38 ok Sep 04 09:47:46 or use a different app Sep 04 09:47:55 or get someone to port your app to linux Sep 04 09:47:57 or, make some sort of remote web interface to your code. Sep 04 09:48:11 does beagle bone supports windows os Sep 04 09:48:14 or go out for a nice walk in the sun Sep 04 09:48:19 DCS: no. Sep 04 09:48:37 mru: oh my god! sun! Sep 04 09:50:13 quit mentioning windows and the sun Sep 04 09:50:35 yeah! close your windows and lock the sun out. Sep 04 09:53:29 s/sun/oracle/ ? Sep 04 10:06:52 barf Sep 04 10:07:15 holy . . . 3am already. how time flies when you're having fun Sep 04 10:07:28 jackmitch|home: ping Sep 04 10:20:13 biot: pong Sep 04 10:20:40 jackmitch|home: you're the jack mitchell doing libsoc, I assume? Sep 04 10:20:46 biot: correct Sep 04 10:20:51 cool Sep 04 10:21:05 well, I like the idea a lot, and I'd like to pitch in Sep 04 10:21:11 that's great Sep 04 10:21:20 jackmitch|home, perhaps I'd lend a hand too Sep 04 10:21:36 however, you haven't put up anything like a roadmap, or API design choices you'd prefer Sep 04 10:21:59 but if you give me anything like that I'd be happy to take it on Sep 04 10:22:28 salut panto Sep 04 10:22:32 hi KotH Sep 04 10:23:02 I would also like to tackle the mapping of board/system level resources to actual hardware driver instances Sep 04 10:23:36 panto: biot: that's good news, I am away on holiday for a week and then when I get back I will be starting a new job, but sometime in that commotion I will try and get a plan drawn up Sep 04 10:23:54 * panto actually starts a new job too Sep 04 10:24:02 * panto <- nvidia automotive now Sep 04 10:24:08 panto: gj! Sep 04 10:24:11 panto: cool! Sep 04 10:24:14 thx Sep 04 10:24:18 tizen all the things? Sep 04 10:24:29 so now, all the stuff I do is just community pure and simple Sep 04 10:24:34 always nice to see something at all modern hit the automotive industry Sep 04 10:24:36 no evil companies Sep 04 10:25:02 as far as I can tell, there's a train wreck in progress and I'll have to step in Sep 04 10:25:03 that sounds great, congrats Sep 04 10:25:19 haha, nothing like a baptism of fire eh ;) Sep 04 10:25:59 in this industry, at the time they bring in external contractors, the house is on fire already Sep 04 10:26:08 so nothing new under the sun Sep 04 10:26:14 whenever I hear the word 'modern' in relation to software, my first impulse is to run for the hills Sep 04 10:26:18 mru, +1 Sep 04 10:26:19 the second is to run faster Sep 04 10:26:21 panto: I'll have to buy you a beer at elce, I pretty sure I've managed to wrangle my attendance Sep 04 10:26:32 hehe Sep 04 10:26:42 speaking of which, I'll need to book travel Sep 04 10:27:07 back on libsoc Sep 04 10:27:18 ok Sep 04 10:27:20 jackmitch|home: hey, I'll be at ELCE as well, why don't we have a chat about it there? Sep 04 10:27:27 biot: soudns good Sep 04 10:28:03 the problem I have usually is that there's no mapping between what the board has mapped with some kind of function and what the linux kernel provides Sep 04 10:28:31 for instance mapping a schematic pin name to a gpio # Sep 04 10:28:47 think something like a resolver for hardware Sep 04 10:28:49 my initial plan with libsoc was to start with gpio, which is started, then move onto gpio interrutps, which is started (of the blocking variety), then look at threaded gpio interrupts with callback functions, and then move onto new subsystems, I2C, SPI etc Sep 04 10:29:35 panto: I thought about that too, I was thinking possibly custom includes i.e. libsoc_beaglebone.h which defines pins etc... Sep 04 10:29:49 I'm thinking of a daemon Sep 04 10:30:00 just integrate it in systemd Sep 04 10:30:01 and libsoc api that queries it Sep 04 10:30:02 but it was just a passing thought, nothing I've really considored yet Sep 04 10:30:03 mru, -1 Sep 04 10:30:24 why would you need a daemon? Sep 04 10:30:27 panto: nvidia is still in automotive? Sep 04 10:30:32 ah segregated components, The Linux Way(tm) Sep 04 10:30:36 I thought they got kicked out again Sep 04 10:30:37 av500, it is Sep 04 10:30:46 T3 got dropped by Audio for TI :) Sep 04 10:31:02 this is a t2 Sep 04 10:31:05 omg Sep 04 10:31:07 run Sep 04 10:31:17 * panto shrugs Sep 04 10:31:26 will it be worst than the am33xx? Sep 04 10:31:52 everything is broken, film at 11 Sep 04 10:32:22 everything is broken, hourly rated consultants are happy Sep 04 10:32:49 +1 for consulting Sep 04 10:32:57 I didn't make the mess, I'm just paid to get something working out of it Sep 04 10:48:01 right then, ciao all, surfing for a week in Portugal, catch you on the flipside dudes! Sep 04 10:49:18 flipside of the surfboard? Sep 04 10:53:33 dont drink the yellow surf Sep 04 12:23:42 Heads up to anyone using systemd's journal in persistent mode (and maybe even otherwise) vacuuming of archived logs is broken so disk usage limits will be ignored and eventually the partition with /var/log will fill up. So, either take mru's advice and rm -rf systemd, or think about applying these patches: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-September/012985.html Sep 04 12:25:07 mru says I told you so in 3, 2 ,1 ... Sep 04 12:28:08 no, he did that yesterday Sep 04 12:28:17 it would be redundant Sep 04 12:30:38 why do people act all surprised? Sep 04 12:33:13 hi Sep 04 12:33:40 can't get my beagle bone black to get recognized Sep 04 12:34:11 I tried modprobe ftdi_sio Sep 04 12:34:29 and modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x0403 product=0xa6d0 Sep 04 12:34:54 but nothing showing up in lsusb when I connect the beagle Sep 04 12:34:57 the black does not have an ftdi chip Sep 04 12:35:04 oh Sep 04 12:35:29 the mini-usb goes straight to the am335x otg port Sep 04 12:37:13 ok thanks Sep 04 13:21:39 hey i want to buy an beaglebone black... Sep 04 13:21:47 do it! Sep 04 13:21:49 now! Sep 04 13:21:57 does it support cec? Sep 04 13:22:02 CEC? Sep 04 13:22:10 I think it does Sep 04 13:22:13 I think its wired up Sep 04 13:22:14 consumer electronics control Sep 04 13:22:20 see the schematics Sep 04 13:22:29 software side I dont know, but thats SW Sep 04 13:22:32 where? Sep 04 13:22:33 so anything can be done Sep 04 13:22:38 where what? Sep 04 13:22:54 where are the schematics? Sep 04 13:22:59 astyx: Do you mean IR? Sep 04 13:23:11 astyx: what did google "beaglebone schematics" tell you? Sep 04 13:23:19 SpeedEvil: yes Sep 04 13:23:21 IR to tv Sep 04 13:23:27 tv to BBB via CEC Sep 04 13:23:36 I got the hardware printed version of the schematics for $45 Sep 04 13:23:39 yes Sep 04 13:23:58 Hello all Sep 04 14:07:59 prpplague: pong Sep 04 14:14:11 XorA: hey bud Sep 04 14:14:33 XorA: you got me a nice quiet pub picked out within stumbling distance of the hotel? hehe Sep 04 14:23:51 So this morning I thought I'd take the trash out to the street. In the process I locked myself out of my house. So my wife's friend came and got me, took me to where my wife works to get her key. Sep 04 14:24:01 Worst part is, it's not even trash day Sep 04 14:24:08 I'm such an idiot Sep 04 14:24:11 senior moment Sep 04 14:25:05 i stopped doing that shortly after i started wearing a key round my neck. Sep 04 14:25:18 I stopped locking the door Sep 04 14:25:24 that's why you should at all times carry a set of lockpicks Sep 04 14:25:36 SpeedEvil: I only do that with handcuff keys, but that's worked pretty well too. Sep 04 14:25:50 mru: the doors I saw in the UK in the past didnt need lockpicks Sep 04 14:26:06 alan_o: I got a nexus 7 - and I happened to have a bag for headphones that just fitterd it. Sep 04 14:26:10 alan_o: get cuffed much? Sep 04 14:26:33 alan_o: Added a longer bit of string to act as a neckstrap, and added some elastic with a key onto that. :) Sep 04 14:26:33 Don't taze me bro Sep 04 14:26:44 tell your local sheriff, not me Sep 04 14:26:51 av500: when trying to pick the front door lock Sep 04 14:27:44 SpeedEvil: the new n7? Sep 04 14:30:27 well - i made it fo rthe old one - but tne new fits Sep 04 14:30:53 Aside: The new n7 has a truly silly power consumption, and i wish those screens were available. Sep 04 14:31:04 it can do 48h with the screen on, and dim. Sep 04 14:31:34 I'm unsure if the display is self refreshing in that state. Sep 04 14:31:44 it does seem to last longer than the old Sep 04 14:32:17 Only refression is the slipperier back Sep 04 14:48:50 does anybody has a link to the TI_Android_JB_4_2_2_DevKit_4_1_1 kernel sources, except the official one...it`s really slow Sep 04 14:49:29 vvu|Log: its being served from a beaglebone Sep 04 14:50:34 av500: can you try and download it and see if you have same low speed? maybe the internet here at university is bad :( Sep 04 14:50:44 url? Sep 04 14:50:51 http://downloads.ti.com/sitara_android/esd/TI_Android_DevKit/TI_Android_JB_4_2_2_DevKit_4_1_1/exports/TI_Android_JB_4.2.2_DevKit_4.1.1.bin Sep 04 14:51:44 6m Sep 04 14:51:49 +5 Sep 04 14:51:53 ups Sep 04 14:52:14 have time to upload it somewhere *some special server from .de* ? Sep 04 14:52:44 sure Sep 04 14:52:47 oh Sep 04 14:52:50 now its 11m Sep 04 14:52:53 yeah Sep 04 14:52:57 fun Sep 04 14:52:57 same went here Sep 04 14:53:07 its like windows XP progress bar Sep 04 14:53:25 also there is an .xml http://downloads.ti.com/sitara_android/esd/TI_Android_DevKit/TI_Android_JB_4_2_2_DevKit_4_1_1/exports/TI-Android-JB-4.2.2-DevKit-4.1.1.xml TI Android Release Manifest File to be used to clone sources from gitorious.org/rowboat* Sep 04 14:53:38 how can i use it ? Sep 04 14:54:14 Sep 04 14:55:02 prpplague: may not be totally quiet, but has something like 12 decent beers on draft, Hanging Bat :-D Sep 04 14:55:14 XorA: dandy Sep 04 14:55:52 git@gitorious.org:rowboat/kernel.git Sep 04 14:55:57 yep Sep 04 14:56:06 checkout rev as abovce Sep 04 14:58:53 had some time to pull of those usb dumps ? Sep 04 14:59:41 no time :( Sep 04 14:59:51 55m Sep 04 14:59:53 :) Sep 04 15:00:08 screw it Sep 04 15:00:11 :) Sep 04 15:00:54 av500: i checkout that rev number Sep 04 15:00:57 this is all right ? Sep 04 15:01:01 yes Sep 04 15:01:06 into a branch or so Sep 04 15:01:11 did git clone 1st Sep 04 15:01:13 then checkout Sep 04 15:01:22 git checkout -b cf9900117f956574eb8ebed460ae2c3e7ece2c22 Sep 04 15:01:26 or so Sep 04 15:04:26 build started, fans to max! Sep 04 15:05:24 at least for this TI android the vncserver works and i don`t need an extra keyboard and mouse Sep 04 15:14:18 hello Sep 04 15:15:01 any idea for ssh withouse password in beaglebone black (amstrom) and Pc Desktop with Ubuntu Sep 04 15:15:03 ? Sep 04 15:16:00 the irony is staggering Sep 04 15:16:06 ^^^^ Sep 04 15:16:18 KEYS_SSH: you mean besides googling and using the generic procedure? no. Sep 04 15:16:33 yes Sep 04 15:16:39 maybe Sep 04 15:16:48 but the problem is that i have ubuntu with openssh Sep 04 15:17:02 and beaglebone black with Dropbear ssh Sep 04 15:17:22 get rid of dropbear Sep 04 15:17:25 why is that an issue? Sep 04 15:17:28 openssh runs fine on the beagles Sep 04 15:17:29 i can´t do it Sep 04 15:17:40 the system isn´t near Sep 04 15:17:44 is far Sep 04 15:17:51 and the system it is working Sep 04 15:17:58 and i can´t stop it Sep 04 15:17:59 dropbear and openssh work together as such Sep 04 15:18:07 mru ? Sep 04 15:18:13 mru it is posible? Sep 04 15:18:24 opkg install openssh? Sep 04 15:18:28 they both use the same protocol Sep 04 15:18:36 but dropbear is weird to configure Sep 04 15:18:39 mru and the same port? Sep 04 15:18:47 and if something goes wrong it's not likely to tell you in any meaningful way Sep 04 15:18:55 so, if i install open ssh Sep 04 15:19:04 i lost the comunication? Sep 04 15:19:47 * LetoThe2nd wonders why people start to think about such basic things like logging in always *After* deploying the system. Sep 04 15:20:09 so, i can use the public Key fron openssh for dropbear? Sep 04 15:20:51 KEYS_SSH: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doku.php?id=oldwiki:dropbearpublickeyauthenticationhowto Sep 04 15:21:35 this suggests to use /etc/dropbear/authorized_keys to store your public key Sep 04 15:22:13 I don't use dropbear, but perhaps it doesn't look at /home//.ssh/authorized_keys? Sep 04 15:23:35 IIRC /etc/dropbear/rsa_... Sep 04 15:25:09 it should look at user authorized_keys Sep 04 15:26:09 both dropbear and ssh are picky about permission to ~/.ssh and ~/ Sep 04 15:26:29 yeah but they warn pretty explicitly Sep 04 15:26:54 dropbear has a nasty habit of dumping error messages straight into the ssh protocol stream Sep 04 15:27:04 so the other end sees garbage and drops the connection Sep 04 15:27:10 I am testing a cross-compiler and sent over a simple binary file via sftp, but the beagle bone black keeps saying no such file or directory when I try to run it... I can copy it and move it all I want, but when it comes to running it thinkis it's not there Sep 04 15:27:14 any ideas? Sep 04 15:27:33 wrong libc Sep 04 15:27:48 in the toolchain? Sep 04 15:28:08 your executable is requesting a dynamic loader that doesn't exist Sep 04 15:28:08 can you point me to the proper toolchain to use on 64-bit ubuntu Sep 04 15:28:22 interesting Sep 04 15:28:29 the packaged one should be fine Sep 04 15:28:35 there's one packaged? Sep 04 15:28:50 so they say Sep 04 15:28:58 * mru would never use ubuntu and doesn't know for sure Sep 04 15:29:28 I'm new to cross compiling, any idea what I'm looking for? Sep 04 15:29:30 sorry to ask such basic questions Sep 04 15:29:43 I found a tarball that claimed to be a toolchain, but I guess there was something wrong with it Sep 04 15:30:03 KEYS_SSH: did you ssh-add your private key on the ubuntu system? Sep 04 15:30:20 vxe: that shouldn't be necessary Sep 04 15:30:45 it shouldn't, but it's been a problem for me in the past Sep 04 15:31:06 I used this link http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-ARMCrossCompiler:GCC to grab the toolchain Sep 04 15:31:19 specifically this file https://launchpad.net/linaro-toolchain-binaries/trunk/2013.07/+download/gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf-4.8-2013.07-1_linux.tar.xz Sep 04 15:31:21 just use the ubuntu package Sep 04 15:31:36 hmm, the linaro tarballs should work Sep 04 15:31:41 InanTop: that toolchain worked well for me Sep 04 15:32:00 successfully built u-boot Sep 04 15:32:03 interesting Sep 04 15:32:38 let me retrace my steps and you guys can show me where I went wrong hopefully, if you don't mind Sep 04 15:32:59 I extracted the tarball, navigated to the location of the -gcc binary, and compiled a simple hello world .c file, which I pushed via sftp to the board Sep 04 15:34:32 readelf -l hello_world | grep interpreter Sep 04 15:34:50 that should list the dynamic loader the toolchain expects Sep 04 15:36:45 Lost my chat box, sorry. It's expecting /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 Sep 04 15:36:49 I guess I'll check if it's there? Sep 04 15:36:54 yes Sep 04 15:37:23 the board has ld-linux-so.3 Sep 04 15:37:36 what system is on the board? Sep 04 15:37:37 what if I wipe the /lib directory from the toolchain and use the one from the board Sep 04 15:37:48 the latest angstrom from the "software updates" page Sep 04 15:38:14 koen: ^^ Sep 04 15:40:19 InanTop: I wouldn't do that Sep 04 15:40:37 I see both ld-linux-armhf.so and ld-linux.so in the toolchain libc/lib directory Sep 04 15:40:42 I guess it's pointing at the wrong one, somehow Sep 04 15:40:46 what's the message you get when you run the program? Sep 04 15:41:05 "./a.out: No such file or directory" Sep 04 15:41:07 as if it's not there Sep 04 15:41:16 the loader it wants isn't there Sep 04 15:41:21 right Sep 04 15:41:26 the message is accurate if a bit confusing at first Sep 04 15:41:35 the toolchain has the right one in it, but I'mn not sure how it decides whcih to pick Sep 04 15:41:57 * av500 wants this loader: http://www.actionmoviefreak.com/Ripley-Power-Loader.jpg Sep 04 15:42:02 ld-linux-armhf sounds more accurate than ld-linux though... not sure why the board doesn't have ld-linux-armhf Sep 04 15:42:49 any chance I have a shitty image on the board? Sep 04 15:42:56 I'm really clueless when it comes to troubleshooting such low level things Sep 04 15:42:56 maybe you didnt load a hard float version on Sep 04 15:43:25 do you think the toolchain dl page would have an associated image Sep 04 15:45:26 actually it'd probably be smarter to find a toolchain for the image I have Sep 04 16:05:37 hm, where should I look if I need SBC with two miniPCIe? Ideally with some SOC which could handle 2 LTE cards (2 x 40mbit) Sep 04 16:06:43 have you checked the usual network kit vendors? Sep 04 16:07:14 I've bad marketing filters Sep 04 16:15:47 And one could guess what does this mean "Complete reference design platforms include software drivers and board support packages for Linux" -> ... based on recent Linux release 2.4.35 ... Sep 04 16:16:36 "I remember it like yesterday..." Sep 04 16:16:39 where? Sep 04 16:16:52 marvell armada Sep 04 16:17:29 broadcom is even worse, they've some 5 years old reference kernel... Sep 04 16:17:45 board support package == not upstream Sep 04 16:18:56 += binary blobs for some parts Sep 04 16:37:15 sakoman, http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/09/04/northern-california-county-board-votes-for-secession-from-state/ Sep 04 16:39:04 Crofton|work: works for me! Sep 04 16:39:35 CA just needs to eliminate foreign aid to the rest of the US Sep 04 16:40:29 are you in siskiyou Sep 04 16:51:50 Crofton|work: no, I'm in Shasta county Sep 04 16:52:04 I suspect that sort of vote would pass here too Sep 04 16:52:08 that makes sense Sep 04 17:11:21 hey Sep 04 17:11:52 my BBB doesnt respond, 3 LEDs usr0/1/2 are on Sep 04 17:12:10 any idea? Sep 04 17:13:30 have you tried turning it off and on again? Sep 04 17:14:11 yes Sep 04 17:14:52 and now again, and it works, wtf :) Sep 04 17:23:33 I have a spidev device that I enabled with an overlay I wrote a few months ago... I need to talk to a chip via SPI that requires an elaborite reset sequence involving bitbanging the spi clock and mosi lines Sep 04 17:23:44 there's existing rpi code to do this, but obviously I want to do it on bbb Sep 04 17:24:07 is it possible to bitbang the spi lines with the pins muxed to the mcspi, or will I have to pinmux back and forth via devmem or something horrible like that Sep 04 17:49:09 * georgem yields for 100us then wakes up Sep 04 17:49:11 high res timers are sexy Sep 04 18:19:27 <_SY_> hello Sep 04 18:47:04 how does USB slot works on beaglebone black/angstrom / linux ? Sep 04 18:47:34 need to mountthings everytime i plug something ? Sep 04 18:55:16 Linux allows for automatically mounting on insertion, but the current BeagleBone Black kernel has an issue where it doesn't always detect device changes. Sep 04 18:55:37 A USB hub in the middle tends to fix it. Sep 04 18:56:49 doing 'lsusb' sometimes helps and devices are always detected on power cycle. Sep 04 18:56:56 strictly speaking, it is not Linux Sep 04 18:57:16 Linux kernel can generate messages to userland to indicate an insertion. You can do whatever you want on that message. Sep 04 18:57:35 the behavior is determined by the system around it. I merely said it "allows for" it. Sep 04 18:58:09 Most userspaces perform automatic mounting of things like USB flash drives. Sep 04 18:58:29 by that line of reasoning, it can also allow for launching itself 50ft in the air on insertion of a drive :D Sep 04 18:59:54 is that really the case? I have seen some userspaces mount and other just notify. and there doesn't seem to be consistancies with the defaults either Sep 04 19:00:03 makes it a pain to explain /media to people Sep 04 19:01:52 [A Sep 04 19:05:21 actually, having usb device already plugged on power cycle, makes my BBB freeze with 3 first usr LEDs Sep 04 19:07:59 well, even after having it unplugged.. Sep 04 19:27:45 wohoo : http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.beagleboard.user/49855 Sep 04 19:27:51 BBB so much instable ? Sep 04 20:07:15 I might want to buy an enclosure for my beaglebone black, what would be a flexible&inexpensive prion? Sep 04 20:07:27 option that would b, not prion... Sep 04 20:07:28 <_av500_> proin? Sep 04 20:07:37 <_av500_> ah Sep 04 20:07:46 no Bovine encephalitis danger Sep 04 20:07:48 <_av500_> there are cheap prions to be had Sep 04 20:07:59 <_av500_> blaaa: whatever google tells you Sep 04 20:08:08 <_av500_> there is this metal case that can "grow" Sep 04 20:08:13 <_av500_> dunno the name Sep 04 20:08:16 <_av500_> cardboard box Sep 04 20:08:18 <_av500_> lego Sep 04 20:08:20 <_av500_> 3d print it Sep 04 20:08:32 I use the cardboard right now, it's OK, but not very sturdy Sep 04 20:08:38 maybe get thicker cardboard Sep 04 20:08:42 <_av500_> but inexpensive Sep 04 20:08:45 <_av500_> and flexible Sep 04 20:08:50 lego would not be appreciated by small people around Sep 04 20:08:53 <_av500_> what you asked for :) Sep 04 20:11:15 Laser-cut. Sep 04 20:23:18 Hey, I have a new begale bone black and I am struggling a little. My project requires ubuntu installed so I have net installed https://github.com/RobertCNelson/netinstall succesfully and booted but how do i access the decice? Sep 04 20:23:36 I have plugged it into USB and it has not just shown up as a network adapter as I expected Sep 04 20:23:57 <_av500_> is ubuntu supposed to do that? Sep 04 20:24:51 I don't really know. The readme doesn't really explain and neither does the elinux article Sep 04 20:24:58 It just says "Boot@ Sep 04 20:25:03 why you need full ubuntu ? Sep 04 20:25:18 I am a webdev and im used to this enviroment Sep 04 20:25:30 I want thinsg like ansible Sep 04 20:25:40 I don't think armstron or whatever supports this Sep 04 20:26:31 hmm Sep 04 20:26:42 <_av500_> want to commit xenocide? Sep 04 20:27:31 <_av500_> kmaid: maybe ubuntu does not do usb networking Sep 04 20:27:35 <_av500_> plug in ethernet and see Sep 04 20:27:40 <_av500_> that should work Sep 04 20:27:46 It says specifically to use USB networking Sep 04 20:28:17 <_av500_> then no idea Sep 04 20:28:21 <_av500_> ask the ubuntu people Sep 04 20:28:29 :( Sep 04 20:28:32 hi... i have tried to find a guide that shows step by step how to enable uart1.... no luck.... last attempt was: Sep 04 20:28:43 dtc -O dtb -o uart1-00A0.dtbo -b 0 -@ uart1.dts Sep 04 20:28:47 result Sep 04 20:29:02 Couldn't open "uart1.dts": No such file or directory Sep 04 20:29:51 i need to enable uart1 and 2 Sep 04 20:30:09 pref at boot time so i dont have to enter commands for it after each boot Sep 04 20:30:34 <_av500_> well, do you have uart1.dts? Sep 04 20:30:49 <_av500_> most file not found errors are due to the file not being found Sep 04 20:31:07 _av500_: i could guess that.... and thats was not the Q.... Sep 04 20:31:14 Q was how to enable those uarts Sep 04 20:31:28 ie link to guide that shows it Sep 04 20:31:44 or someone that has actually done it and know the right commands or ways Sep 04 20:31:56 <_av500_> with a DT fragment that describes the uart Sep 04 20:32:01 <_av500_> like that uart1.dts Sep 04 20:32:03 <_av500_> you mentioned Sep 04 20:33:25 so you dont know how to enable them? Sep 04 20:36:43 I don't think i selected the right hardware for my project :/. Should i just get a rasberry pi if I want to do something with networking and ubuntu? Sep 04 20:37:03 <_av500_> ? Sep 04 20:37:12 <_av500_> BBB networks just fine Sep 04 20:37:22 <_av500_> even Ubuntu cannot prevent that Sep 04 20:37:25 I need ubuntu/debian Sep 04 20:37:41 networks better than the raspberry pi, in fact :o) Sep 04 20:37:54 anyone else that knows how to enable uart1 and uart2 ????? Sep 04 20:38:05 I am looking to use varnish to reverse proxy over a VPN to unblock websites Sep 04 20:38:13 + dns server Sep 04 20:38:48 Gives me an exuse to play with Ansible and perhaps some Go Sep 04 20:41:35 Has anyone gotten ubuntu working on BBB? Sep 04 20:41:54 Perhaps i should start with the Demo image rather than what looked to simplier and the net install Sep 04 20:42:50 are there other channcels for BBB users? Sep 04 20:42:56 channels Sep 04 20:44:17 <_av500_> this is the right channel Sep 04 20:44:35 <_av500_> kmaid: many people run ubuntu on the BBB Sep 04 20:44:53 _av500_: so far its not..... Sep 04 20:45:54 <_av500_> http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-serialuarttty-on-beaglebone-black/ Sep 04 20:46:04 read that one.... Sep 04 20:46:08 for uart2 Sep 04 20:46:27 nope Sep 04 20:46:28 5 Sep 04 20:46:34 did not remember right Sep 04 20:46:47 and it fails if i simply change 5 to one.... Sep 04 20:46:49 ie: Sep 04 20:47:08 dtc -O dtb -o enable-uart5-00A0.dtbo -b 0 -@ enable-uart5.dts Sep 04 20:47:27 if i change that one to dtc -O dtb -o enable-uart1-00A0.dtbo -b 0 -@ enable-uart1.dts Sep 04 20:47:40 it gives the error i posted some mins ago Sep 04 20:47:53 so i need a clear guide for uart1 that works Sep 04 20:49:04 <_av500_> enable-uart5.dts is a file name Sep 04 20:49:13 <_av500_> unless you rename the file, it wont be found Sep 04 20:50:01 thats not the entire problem... the guide is for uart5.... not 1 Sep 04 20:50:08 so anything in there will fail Sep 04 20:50:15 now i just want a guide for uart1 Sep 04 20:50:25 as i dont know squat about BBB Sep 04 20:50:27 <_av500_> and for uart2 Sep 04 20:50:30 <_av500_> and for uart3 Sep 04 20:50:34 <_av500_> and for urat4 Sep 04 20:50:57 <_av500_> do you need a guide for the elevator for each separate floor? Sep 04 20:51:14 no i take the stairs Sep 04 20:51:21 i know how to use those Sep 04 20:53:45 * _av500_ goes for a walk Sep 04 20:56:21 koen: about? Sep 04 20:56:52 * spikebike reads back Sep 04 20:57:05 or anyone else but _av500_ Sep 04 20:57:20 heh, was about comment to kmaid Sep 04 21:00:12 spikebike: maybe you can answer my Q? Sep 04 21:04:15 root@beaglebone:~# find /lib/firmware/ -name "*.dtbo" | grep UART | sort Sep 04 21:04:15 /lib/firmware/BB-UART1-00A0.dtbo Sep 04 21:04:15 /lib/firmware/BB-UART2-00A0.dtbo Sep 04 21:04:15 /lib/firmware/BB-UART4-00A0.dtbo Sep 04 21:04:15 /lib/firmware/BB-UART5-00A0.dtbo Sep 04 21:04:26 in the stock install Sep 04 21:05:56 thats what i'm running Sep 04 21:08:18 and whot would the command be to enable a uart? Sep 04 21:08:25 i have tried a few ones Sep 04 21:11:54 this one should enable: echo enable-uart1 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots Sep 04 21:12:00 but gives me this error Sep 04 21:12:18 -sh: echo: write error: No such file or directory Sep 04 21:58:37 Hey, so how verbose should the serial console be, on a reflash? Sep 04 21:58:42 relatively quiet? Sep 04 22:02:00 yeah, think so Sep 04 22:15:46 Tartarus_: yeah, doesn't make a lot of noise during reflash. really think we need to increase the indications. Sep 04 22:17:06 figured, thanks Sep 04 22:20:54 mranostay: you guys have this out in portland? http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/big-sky-ipa/35164/ Sep 04 22:21:16 * georgem_home puts on his beer goggles Sep 04 22:22:40 nevermind, seems someone has abducted him Sep 04 22:39:06 hello there Sep 04 22:39:12 ive got an issue Sep 04 22:40:07 the modem, the usb to serial modem connected by the usb to the bbb after a day dont answer anymore to the signals, i need to reset the power of the hub Sep 04 22:40:17 how is possible? Sep 04 22:40:23 maybe go in time out? Sep 04 22:40:55 for now the modem is in test and i keep it idle all the time Sep 04 22:41:01 gsm modem Sep 04 22:41:11 Wismo is the brand Sep 04 22:41:30 modems can draw large current spikes Sep 04 22:41:40 perhaps enough to reset the USB port Sep 04 22:43:51 how could be isolated? Sep 04 22:44:07 maybe a mobile phone as modem is better? Sep 04 22:45:26 My first step would be to find a 'y' cable that is sometimes used for powering USB hard disks - and connect the power line of that into a quality 2A power supply - such as the nexus 7 power supply. Sep 04 22:45:45 i use droid power supply Sep 04 22:45:55 milestone exactly Sep 04 22:45:55 Is it powering it through the hub? Sep 04 22:46:03 for the beagle not for the hub Sep 04 22:46:09 yeahp Sep 04 22:46:19 the beagle not Sep 04 22:46:23 the modem yes Sep 04 22:47:24 The hub is plugged into the beagle, and the beagle to the modem? Sep 04 22:47:32 It's not a powered hub? Sep 04 22:48:28 sure is 5v +2a i controlled now Sep 04 22:48:39 yeap Sep 04 22:48:56 the hub have a special usb to plug in the bbb Sep 04 22:49:06 the other are standard port Sep 04 22:50:01 and of course the hub is attached to the modem Sep 04 22:50:21 my friend have the same modem on rbpi and dont do this Sep 04 22:50:27 but the hub is different Sep 04 22:50:35 and the testing is only on one day Sep 04 22:50:48 i tested on three days Sep 04 22:51:01 it stay up for about 7 hours Sep 04 22:51:17 if you left 12 you find if not responding Sep 04 22:51:34 but the debian can connect to the serial Sep 04 22:51:47 i see the commands but no response Sep 04 22:53:12 maybe is a factory shite error Sep 04 22:53:32 what do you suggest? try with another modem? Sep 04 22:53:55 That would be a simple option, yes Sep 04 22:54:14 To clarify - the hub has a seperate power supply? Sep 04 22:54:22 yeap sure Sep 04 22:54:27 5v +2a too Sep 04 22:54:35 usb 2.0 Sep 04 22:54:44 4 ports + one Sep 04 22:54:51 master Sep 04 22:56:00 is the hub one from a decent supplier, or might the power supply not be that great. Sep 04 22:57:56 i see a fact, i use minicom tool, and when i quit i dont reset the serial, maybe could deal errors, but i returned like 5 times in the serial in a row and works always, after some hours i return and i fount not responding to the commands... Sep 04 22:58:01 i dunno Sep 04 22:58:17 the other new hub isnt compatible at all Sep 04 22:58:30 this is acient but never used Sep 04 22:59:40 but i think it drops logs if malfunction Sep 04 23:00:58 i cannot figure how it works during the night (7 hours) and not in the day (12 hours).. bah Sep 04 23:01:02 critters Sep 04 23:01:45 i will try to keep alive the modem with a command and see what happes, if it fails in a hour i will find the reason m8! Sep 04 23:01:50 :) Sep 04 23:02:00 thanks the same to be interested Sep 04 23:02:16 i gotta go Sep 04 23:02:25 here is late night Sep 04 23:02:28 bye Sep 04 23:46:05 ello Sep 05 00:42:50 Good night Sep 05 00:43:27 Can anyone tell me if it is possible to mount the internal storage when booting from an SD card? Sep 05 00:44:02 I am unable to boot from the internal storage, it does not show up as a USB device, and I would like to retrieve some files before I flash it Sep 05 00:44:16 I have a project in which to connect two open hardware cards to have two network ports on the one hand to enter the network traffic and the other to leave, but in step captures and analyzes traffic sniffing? Sep 05 00:45:04 That sounds like fun Colombiano Sep 05 00:45:14 Have you tried wireshark? Sep 05 00:46:18 if possible? Sep 05 00:46:59 I will use wireshark and tcpdump but may incorporate hardware into two open cards? Sep 05 00:51:00 Colombiano, good luck, that is a project I hope to make someday too Sep 05 01:03:08 Yes Sep 05 01:03:32 but, I need help and advice Sep 05 01:04:44 I haven't even managed to get one usb wifi connector working yet, let alone two ha Sep 05 02:15:23 Hey, I'm having some problems with my new BeagleBone Black. I wrote a quick Node script to do an analogRead() from a photocell hooked up to a pulldown resistor on one of the 1.8V analog pins. I get a unique value on each refresh of the script, but it is always behind by a read. For example, if I take a reading at ambient light and get 0.75, and then point a light at it and refresh, I get 0.755 or something, and then refreshing agai Sep 05 02:15:43 If I kill the node script and restart it, the first value I get is the last value I read before killing the node script, which is really strange to me. Here's my JS: https://gist.github.com/nearengine/6445265 Sep 05 02:15:53 christek: it is indeed always 1 read off. Sep 05 02:16:08 So this is a known issue? Sep 05 02:16:19 Or is it on purpose for some reason that's going over my head right now Sep 05 02:16:19 yup. you need to read twice to get a good value. Sep 05 02:16:28 it is an issue with the kernel, not the javascript itself. Sep 05 02:16:44 Yeah, I figured it was a kernel issue since it persisted between restarting the script Sep 05 02:16:58 I was hoping to avoid writing my own kernel modules for this thing :/ Sep 05 02:18:46 can't just read twice? Sep 05 02:19:10 there are some improvements to the ADC driver. Sep 05 02:21:23 Yeah right now it's not an issue, but I do like having stable drivers and the project I'm working on involves a bunch of sensors. Is there anywhere besides IRC I should be looking for little issues like that? I'm pretty new to the Beaglebone community but I didn't see any mention of it in the docs. Sep 05 02:27:42 anyone build a kernel module on the beaglebone ubuntu? Sep 05 02:28:38 christek: mailing list and kernel git repo: http://github.com/beagleboard/kernel (3.8 branch is most stable) Sep 05 02:29:00 christek: mailing list is at http://beagleboard.org/discuss Sep 05 02:29:25 i'm trying to build a wifi module and it's complaining about a missing /lib/modules/3.8.13-bone26/build directory. Sep 05 02:30:37 Sweet, thanks for the links Sep 05 02:38:40 jkridner: hello **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 05 02:59:59 2013