**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 24 02:59:59 2013 Sep 24 04:05:47 \ Sep 24 04:05:48 \ Sep 24 05:47:16 / Sep 24 05:47:18 / Sep 24 05:49:52 _ Sep 24 05:49:54 _ Sep 24 05:50:23 \ Sep 24 05:50:25 \ Sep 24 06:02:46 | Sep 24 06:02:47 | Sep 24 06:15:39 | Sep 24 06:15:40 | Sep 24 06:15:49 ? Sep 24 06:15:49 ? Sep 24 06:15:55 = Sep 24 06:15:56 = Sep 24 06:16:41 \|/ Sep 24 06:20:59 * LetoThe2nd notices that this channels language has obviously switched from english/C to brainfuck. Sep 24 06:43:05 LetoThe2nd, . .. ... Sep 24 06:44:55 panto: \m/ Sep 24 06:45:08 hi there Sep 24 06:45:52 lo where? Sep 24 06:46:13 :) Sep 24 07:09:26 Z here Sep 24 07:26:06 ps Sep 24 07:33:21 moaning Sep 24 07:33:35 chocolate morning Sep 24 07:39:37 Hey beaglers Sep 24 07:40:01 You know something about HDMI cables? Sep 24 07:40:17 yes, they are usually to expensive for what you get Sep 24 07:40:41 because the BBB website saiys there is a cable with ethernet that not works because its not grounded Sep 24 07:40:54 o_0 Sep 24 07:40:59 ethernet is isolated Sep 24 07:41:00 always Sep 24 07:41:05 it should not be grounded Sep 24 07:41:11 I not even knwo whta the mean if a cable is nto grounded Sep 24 07:41:32 if you dont know what grounded means, how do you know it's the cause of your problem?= Sep 24 07:41:42 So this mean no cabel with ethernet will work with the BBB? Sep 24 07:41:56 no Sep 24 07:42:05 from the WEBSITE like I said Sep 24 07:42:16 which is the WEBSITE? Sep 24 07:42:31 official wiki site or something like that Sep 24 07:43:10 *sigh* Sep 24 07:43:31 http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Working_HDMI_Cables Sep 24 07:43:36 i havent read all the all the websites about beagle that are out there, much less learned them by heard Sep 24 07:43:59 er.. Sep 24 07:44:04 redanimalwar: that's HDMI not ethernet Sep 24 07:44:10 redanimalwar: two totally different things Sep 24 07:44:23 omg are you stupid you idiot Sep 24 07:44:42 *plonk* Sep 24 07:44:44 the new HDMI cables have ethernet BUILD INTO HDMI Sep 24 07:45:18 I am thinking if I buy one I might buy a up to date one with ethernet into it Sep 24 07:45:33 but if they not work with the BBB i wont so i came here and ask Sep 24 07:46:11 you came to ask the idiots Sep 24 07:46:14 on ebay i never see if "grounded" it something in the description Sep 24 07:46:26 well one Sep 24 07:46:44 yeah, but he's one of the brightest here Sep 24 07:48:07 KotH? Sep 24 07:48:17 me likes course ground cables. Sep 24 07:48:25 coarse ground, even. Sep 24 07:49:04 of coarse! Sep 24 07:49:13 off course! Sep 24 07:53:25 LetoThe2nd: ah.. that explains why your "coffee" tastes so bad, it's cables! Sep 24 07:53:47 that explains it! Sep 24 07:55:31 sometimes also old pcbs, they make it more crunchy. Sep 24 07:58:36 what is the over all size of the BBONEBLK_SRM Sep 24 08:00:47 how would cou connect a PC speaker to the BBB? Sep 24 08:01:01 using a wire? Sep 24 08:02:02 well yes, but where stick them in? Sep 24 08:02:20 anyhole, then send signal Sep 24 08:02:28 to right pin Sep 24 08:02:58 top and bot if the connectors for the capes would all work? Sep 24 08:03:28 "of the connectors" Sep 24 08:03:30 I hope you figured out that there's no analog audio out on the beaglebone Sep 24 08:03:43 i mean a pc speaker Sep 24 08:03:58 this old things that make just one annoying sound Sep 24 08:04:09 i guess they need only 2 cables Sep 24 08:04:27 they are had connectors on mayboards Sep 24 08:04:30 you know? Sep 24 08:05:18 panto: who needs analog audio Sep 24 08:05:21 panto: on HDMI ? Sep 24 08:05:26 panto: all modern people have digital ears! Sep 24 08:05:55 redanimalwar, you can connect it to a pwm channel Sep 24 08:06:08 or toggle it via gpios Sep 24 08:06:27 perhaps you need a buzzer? Sep 24 08:06:42 nvm Sep 24 08:07:47 well I now even know whar pwm channel is, its a stupdi question I guess. I just baught this thing to run a server on. Not really planned to do more with it but I just had the idea. I guess I need to know a but about the BBB clnnectors Sep 24 08:08:14 does hdmi even have analog wires? Sep 24 08:08:18 for sound that is Sep 24 08:08:28 ye, digitalaudio Sep 24 08:08:37 all digital? Sep 24 08:08:40 yappari Sep 24 08:08:57 u have hdmi converter to vga+analog audio Sep 24 08:09:20 i just want to make it some sounds not play music just so come actions on my server woudl trigger sounds Sep 24 08:09:33 redanimalwar: connect it to a GPIO or PWM pin Sep 24 08:09:40 add a transistor Sep 24 08:09:41 and u have a device u can send audio on, on angstrom Sep 24 08:09:55 KotH: no analog Sep 24 08:10:28 redanimalwar, http://www.adafruit.com/products/160 Sep 24 08:10:36 u can buy a 1,5 € audio usb key too.. Sep 24 08:11:20 panto: which pin on the BBB is the 30V one? :) Sep 24 08:11:34 thanks Sep 24 08:11:51 av500, the one with the magic smoke :) Sep 24 08:11:59 3-30V peak :) Sep 24 08:12:10 maybe if you stack 10 BBBs you can get 33V Sep 24 08:12:14 30V only if you need to wake up the dead Sep 24 08:13:00 redanimalwar, you don't have 30V on the BBB btw :) Sep 24 08:13:07 didnt know they stack like batteries... Sep 24 08:13:18 they don't Sep 24 08:13:26 ask av500 ^^ Sep 24 08:13:26 av500 is one of our top trolls Sep 24 08:13:33 :) Sep 24 08:15:27 usb audo key for 1,50€ whats that? Sep 24 08:15:37 30V for what? Sep 24 08:15:43 a PC speaker? Sep 24 08:17:27 redanimalwar, welcome to the world of hardware/physics Sep 24 08:19:07 löl Sep 24 08:19:27 i just am abotu to remove the pc speaker from my very first pc Sep 24 08:19:41 no idea if that's the same Sep 24 08:19:51 i found a package of salt in the package Sep 24 08:19:54 read about the part before you go plugging it in Sep 24 08:20:08 yes i will Sep 24 08:20:15 but frist i think i need to cry Sep 24 08:20:53 because i saw my very first PC again all that memories *CRRRYYYYYYY* Sep 24 08:20:58 its a P100 Sep 24 08:21:18 it had win95 and 8MB ram Sep 24 08:21:24 i think Sep 24 08:27:38 i would with that where sugar not salt Sep 24 08:28:47 wish* Sep 24 08:29:23 k, nobody saiys anothing. I guess i am going to talk more bs Sep 24 08:35:14 Hey.... I have an old beagle-board xm .How do I check what revision it is? Sep 24 08:38:48 isnt it printed on the board? Sep 24 08:38:57 no Sep 24 08:39:09 av500: ^^^ Sep 24 08:41:47 there is a sticker on mine right next to the reset button Sep 24 08:41:49 C1 Sep 24 08:42:39 omg Sep 24 08:43:18 i am in page 80 of that manual Sep 24 08:43:40 and i am thinking "get me out of here" Sep 24 08:44:09 XM has 2 stickers Sep 24 08:44:17 one next to RESET Sep 24 08:44:21 the other on the bottom Sep 24 08:44:30 next to serial Sep 24 08:44:40 "serial#" on the PCB Sep 24 08:44:49 on th bottom there is a serial number Sep 24 08:45:06 pray tell Sep 24 08:45:07 it says 0811xm145 Sep 24 08:45:23 mine says 3210xm206 Sep 24 08:45:27 and is a A2 Sep 24 08:45:58 how do i tell the rev from the serial number? Sep 24 08:46:04 311xm999 is B Sep 24 08:46:17 yours is B or later Sep 24 08:46:45 ok Sep 24 08:46:51 thanx Sep 24 08:47:38 the one next to reset is the revision number right? Sep 24 08:48:25 yes Sep 24 08:48:34 ask gerald on the mailing list Sep 24 08:48:40 he should be able to tell you from the serial Sep 24 08:49:03 thanx again Sep 24 08:58:30 is thare a connector on the BBB that hat 5V? Sep 24 08:59:06 i want to connect a PC speaker Sep 24 08:59:09 i mean a PIN Sep 24 09:00:25 speaker? 5V? Sep 24 09:00:50 real speakers run on 100V+X. \m/ Sep 24 09:01:25 :D Sep 24 09:03:00 LetoThe2nd: 33V peak to peak Sep 24 09:03:01 LetoThe2nd: and are 4ohm :) Sep 24 09:03:03 just measured it here :) Sep 24 09:03:13 again, you need 10 BBBs Sep 24 09:03:25 av500: hrhr Sep 24 09:03:26 redanimalwar: the outputs are 3.3V on the BBB Sep 24 09:03:38 but you cannot draw current from them Sep 24 09:03:50 so to drive your PC speaker you need a transistor Sep 24 09:03:54 or similar driver Sep 24 09:04:59 "draw corrent from them" what does thi s mean? I cant take power from teh BBB? Sep 24 09:05:49 not from the GPIO pins Sep 24 09:05:57 they max out at 4mA or so Sep 24 09:05:58 maybe 3,3V is enough Sep 24 09:06:04 not voltage Sep 24 09:06:05 current Sep 24 09:06:17 ampere? Sep 24 09:06:40 I only know Volt and Ampere. Sep 24 09:06:42 yes, one measures it in Ampere Sep 24 09:07:01 ok i am german Sep 24 09:07:03 these are the units Sep 24 09:07:08 the unit of current is ampere Sep 24 09:07:11 Strom Sep 24 09:07:18 Spannung Sep 24 09:07:21 morning ! Sep 24 09:07:21 never heared of current Sep 24 09:07:29 its english Sep 24 09:09:13 so even if your speaker is 50 Ohm you get 3.3v/50 = 66mA Sep 24 09:09:13 sue i got that. somethiing like this? http://learn.adafruit.com/blinking-an-led-with-beaglebone-black/overview Sep 24 09:09:16 which is too much Sep 24 09:09:29 no Sep 24 09:09:41 a low current LED only take a few mA Sep 24 09:09:47 so you can drive it directly Sep 24 09:10:23 http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorial_EGHS:LED_output#Circuit_2_-_LED_Driving_Circuit_.28using_Transistor_Switching_Circuit.29 Sep 24 09:10:24 are you undetstand that I talk about this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_speaker Sep 24 09:10:43 ja Sep 24 09:10:52 i'm not that much of an idiot Sep 24 09:11:13 dumm ist der, der dummes tut :) Sep 24 09:12:43 LetoThe2nd: may i call you forest gump from now on? ;) Sep 24 09:13:10 KotH: nope, it's still "sandworm", please. Sep 24 09:13:18 ok gut Sep 24 09:13:22 and you speak german? Sep 24 09:13:26 or "old worm", or "sandy", if you desire so. Sep 24 09:13:35 LetoThe2nd: not "your majesty sandworm" ? :) Sep 24 09:14:02 redanimalwar: what would speaking german do good? you won't be able to hear it supposedly. Sep 24 09:14:33 lol Sep 24 09:14:38 KotH: not necessary. the times when i needed my minions to remind me how great i am every time are long gone. Sep 24 09:14:48 LetoThe2nd: that's why i dont speak german, it's not worth it ;) Sep 24 09:14:51 LetoThe2nd: you could speak it into google translate Sep 24 09:15:04 well thats true but if you able to skeak than you can type it Sep 24 09:15:15 but no need my english is fine Sep 24 09:15:21 av500: can you send me a google translate then? i do not have one on my desk so far. Sep 24 09:15:33 I know people that speak german but cannot type it Sep 24 09:15:35 expect when it comes to some rare cases like "current" Sep 24 09:15:55 your english is not so current then Sep 24 09:16:04 i know a lot of people who can neither speak nor write nor type it. Sep 24 09:16:04 av500: years ago, i saw someone who used a mouse like a steering wheel ^^' Sep 24 09:16:25 KotH: after saying "hello, computer?" Sep 24 09:16:34 js stimmt, deutsch is auch beschissen zu schreiben kann ich auch kaum Sep 24 09:16:56 redanimalwar: never heard about AC/DC ? Sep 24 09:16:57 hehe Sep 24 09:17:01 LetoThe2nd: that would have been funny Sep 24 09:17:14 LetoThe2nd: but i guess, it has been the first time this guy saw a computer in his life Sep 24 09:17:37 now tell me what a transistor actuall does and do not laugh Sep 24 09:17:49 KotH: hrhr Sep 24 09:17:50 does it lowers the "spannung"? Sep 24 09:19:06 i think i am goind back to software tomorrow it I not get the speaked to make a noes noise today ;) Sep 24 09:19:21 * KotH curses datasheet that mention everything about the drain source parasitic diode but fail to mention how much energy you are allowed to disipate trough it Sep 24 09:19:22 i dont want to buy transistors and connector beards anyway Sep 24 09:20:03 boards* Sep 24 09:20:06 lol Sep 24 09:20:08 KotH: 25W Sep 24 09:20:13 /1 Sep 24 09:20:17 ups Sep 24 09:20:21 \1 Sep 24 09:20:23 spu Sep 24 09:20:27 \1/ Sep 24 09:20:36 upspu Sep 24 09:20:51 spups Sep 24 09:22:30 ok now i know sort of what a transistor does, the opposite of what i thought. cool Sep 24 09:23:39 it amplifies current Sep 24 09:24:10 by using magic Sep 24 09:24:26 yeah totally;) Sep 24 09:24:29 av500: the 25W sound about right, the datasheet says it's 132nC charge and max rated current to 22A limited by the package Sep 24 09:24:30 magic Sep 24 09:24:54 thats really magic to me because I have no idea what else it woudl be Sep 24 09:24:56 KotH: see Sep 24 09:24:58 av500: unfortunately, we have no way to cool this FET and disipation of 25W in vacuum is kind of hard ^^' Sep 24 09:25:18 could I break my BBB if i stick something in wrong? Sep 24 09:25:23 KotH: radiate it Sep 24 09:25:28 redanimalwar: yes Sep 24 09:25:34 like with all electrical things Sep 24 09:25:34 that bad Sep 24 09:25:49 av500: not enough surface :( Sep 24 09:25:55 and even non 'lectrical things can break if you stick it in the wrong place Sep 24 09:26:07 KotH: use vacuum tubes Sep 24 09:26:19 oh why i know somebody would say that ;) Sep 24 09:26:41 av500: too bulky Sep 24 09:26:46 pah Sep 24 09:26:51 use Ariane6 Sep 24 09:27:00 av500: we have only a 20x20cm PCB with 3mm height for components Sep 24 09:27:19 what does it do anyway? Sep 24 09:27:28 av500: i'm not sure the ariane6 is powerfull enough for that little beast Sep 24 09:28:40 what does VDD_5V and SYS_5V mean and what the diffrence? Sep 24 09:28:44 http://sci.esa.int/solar-orbiter/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Orbiter the sub project we are in is http://www.fhnw.ch/medien-und-oeffentlichkeit/medienmitteilungen/archiv/2011/stix-roentgenteleskop-der-fachhochschule-nordwestschweiz-fuer-sonnenmission-ausgewaehlt Sep 24 09:30:12 somebody here now who has the BBB connected to a screen with a new HDMI cable with ethernet build in ? Sep 24 09:30:36 still wonderung if they all now work in genral Sep 24 09:30:50 or just the one they say on the site Sep 24 09:31:33 the with ethernet cable is the same as the without Sep 24 09:31:42 just that 2 wires are twisted and shielded Sep 24 09:34:13 you said they are not grounded? Sep 24 09:35:02 what is not grounded? Sep 24 09:35:25 the cables with ethernet build in Sep 24 09:35:40 no, I did not say that Sep 24 09:35:51 Isaid its basically the same if you ignore ethernet Sep 24 09:39:17 I not get it I not even get how a cable can be grounded. there is no cable comung out that you connect to something else to "ground" it. Anyway I guess I will buy a new one because i saw a cheap one and i might have use of it later when i maybe have devices that mape use of hdmi and thernet at teh same time. Sep 24 09:39:53 ground is a lie. Sep 24 09:40:46 once you're about a quarter of a wavelength away from ground, it has little meaning Sep 24 09:41:10 the earth ois not a spherical superconductor with infinite conduction velocity Sep 24 09:42:52 redanimalwar: just an HDMI cable and be done Sep 24 09:43:09 what's all the fuss about anyway? Sep 24 09:43:32 i think about any penny Sep 24 09:43:37 i am that kind if guy Sep 24 09:43:53 well, thanks for wasting out time Sep 24 09:44:03 ?? Sep 24 09:46:58 SpeedEvil: it starts from far less than a quarter Sep 24 09:47:14 SpeedEvil: to be on the safe side you've to be closer than 1/10th of wavelength Sep 24 09:47:20 and yes Sep 24 09:47:57 people thinking they can meaningfully ground rf through mains are funny Sep 24 09:52:56 I have a potted plant next to the desk, that's totally ground for me Sep 24 09:53:36 hmm, after re-biasing, this amp only draws 80W in idle instead of 130 Sep 24 09:53:48 all that 'lectricity wasted over the years Sep 24 09:54:51 av500: and it still has the same performance? Sep 24 09:55:38 SpeedEvil: anyone who thinks that RF can be done without long incantations and sacrifices are illusional Sep 24 09:55:44 KotH: a tad higher Sep 24 09:55:49 full class B now Sep 24 09:56:02 av500: it used to be AB before? :) Sep 24 09:56:08 somewhat Sep 24 09:56:17 you know, that this is worse? ;) Sep 24 09:56:27 what is worse? Sep 24 09:56:33 linearity Sep 24 09:56:38 KotH: rf is hard. I have a project I'd like to do. Sep 24 09:57:05 KotH: solid state microwave using 10*100w 2.4ghz FETs. Sep 24 09:57:06 SpeedEvil: same here. one that involves phase locking a 6.9GHz optical signal Sep 24 09:57:09 KotH: mnaybe I should try class C Sep 24 09:57:17 av500: go for full class Z! Sep 24 09:57:31 ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Sep 24 09:57:33 av500: if you can, drive it in direction of A Sep 24 09:57:36 the bestest Sep 24 09:57:47 KotH: but matching and making them not explode would be interesting. Sep 24 09:58:00 explode is fun Sep 24 09:58:02 just film it Sep 24 09:58:19 SpeedEvil: make sure those FETs come with a big tank of magic smoke! you will need it Sep 24 09:58:28 exactly Sep 24 09:58:39 KotH: and I thought that plumbing was water cooling Sep 24 09:58:53 av500: gas, wasser, scheisse, HF :) Sep 24 10:19:54 P8 or on the right on the BBB? http://stuffwemade.net/hwio/beaglebone-pin-reference/ Sep 24 10:20:34 I am a bit confused because the talk ob P8.10 PIN in this guide but on teh pucture its on the left. Sep 24 10:20:52 http://learn.adafruit.com/blinking-an-led-with-beaglebone-black/wiring Sep 24 10:21:16 what is the question? Sep 24 10:23:31 I look at the guide, I see them putting in the cables on teh right side of the BBB Sep 24 10:23:50 yes, P8 is on the right Sep 24 10:23:58 or on the left if you turn it around Sep 24 10:24:00 but they talk about pin 8.10 Sep 24 10:24:13 or on the left again if you turn it around and upside down Sep 24 10:24:20 and on the reference pic they link the pin is on the left no on the right Sep 24 10:24:26 but hey, somebody labeled it Sep 24 10:24:38 look for "P8" on the PCB Sep 24 10:24:47 and "P9" Sep 24 10:24:52 so its not switched its upside down? Sep 24 10:25:01 and "1" and "2" and "45" and "46" Sep 24 10:25:12 redanimalwar: it is all clearly labeled Sep 24 10:26:02 oh i see super small on the bot or top thx Sep 24 10:27:14 maybe i can find a transistor on old hardware? are they labeled? Sep 24 10:31:49 some are Sep 24 10:33:15 the energy needed for soldering one out of old hardware is more expensive than getting a new one... Sep 24 10:33:38 and if you take in account that you have to find one first, the calculation becomes ridiculous. Sep 24 10:33:58 except if you can search at ludicrous speed, of course! Sep 24 10:34:04 I have some super fat ones on my old geforce here Sep 24 10:34:15 ;) Sep 24 10:35:42 ffs i just want my pc speaker to make a sound, the volage my not be enoug anyway if its just 3,3 Sep 24 10:35:49 it needs 5V Sep 24 10:36:14 nah. Sep 24 10:36:35 plus, just applying 5V will not make sound, it will make an nearly inaudible "click" Sep 24 10:36:54 except if it actually is a buzzer, which i doubt. Sep 24 10:36:58 yeah i did that with the dc Sep 24 10:37:09 * LetoThe2nd is gone again. Sep 24 10:37:20 ;( Sep 24 10:40:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyYOYrsPZa4 look Sep 24 10:40:21 av500 ! Sep 24 10:40:47 looks like he used no transistor at all Sep 24 10:41:09 would that not be possible with the BBB as well? Sep 24 10:41:33 yes Sep 24 10:41:39 but not very loud Sep 24 10:44:05 so what pins should i use? Sep 24 10:44:17 the same as they use in the LED example? Sep 24 10:44:55 p8.10 and GRD? Sep 24 10:45:48 it cant pissible break the BBB if i connect something there without a transistor? Sep 24 10:51:15 can someone provide the link for toolchain for BBB(angstorm).........???? Sep 24 10:54:03 hjh: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/toolchains/ Sep 24 10:56:27 vvu|log ..thanks...but which one should i select....somany are there... Sep 24 10:56:43 u have 64 bit or 32 bit machine ? Sep 24 10:57:09 i`m using http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/toolchains/angstrom-eglibc-x86_64-armv7a-v2012.05-toolchain.tar.bz2 on my machine *64 bit* Sep 24 10:58:25 its BBB...using armv7...which is 32-bit Sep 24 10:58:35 this is a cross-compiler Sep 24 10:58:52 if you want to build on the BBB just opkg install gcc or how is it Sep 24 10:59:05 urs is BBB>>> Sep 24 10:59:07 ??? Sep 24 10:59:21 no, i am compiling stuff on a normal machine then transferring stuf to my BBB Sep 24 10:59:46 BBB is 64 or 32 bit...??? Sep 24 10:59:50 32 Sep 24 11:00:18 then we should select cross compiler for 32 bit ....right...???? Sep 24 11:00:36 cross-compiler is used when you compile on a normal PC then use the binary on ARM Sep 24 11:00:59 yes iam doing like that...on ubuntu 11.04 Sep 24 11:01:57 opkg install task-native-sdk Sep 24 11:02:13 i think this installs gcc/g++ and all dependencies on the BBB Sep 24 11:02:14 1 doubt...so the bit-width of cross compiler depends on the normal pc..??? Sep 24 11:04:58 a cross compiler builds binaries for the beagle on your PC ... so the compiler needs to be the architecture of the PC ... if the PC is 32bit you need a 32bit compiler ... is it 64bit get the 54bit compiler Sep 24 11:05:01 err Sep 24 11:05:03 64 Sep 24 11:05:19 among 'angstrom-eglibc-x86_64-armv7a-vfp-neon-v2012.12-toolchain.gz' and 'angstrom-eglibc-i686-armv7a-vfp-neon-v2012.12-toolchain.gz ' which one should i download for my BBB........and my PC is Ubuntu i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Sep 24 11:05:44 thanks ogra Sep 24 11:06:36 WOW Sep 24 11:07:01 WOW after hours i just stick this fucker in Sep 24 11:07:10 and it just makes a click Sep 24 11:07:16 BUT its working ;) Sep 24 11:23:11 can anyone provide me beagle bone white source code for ubuntu Sep 24 11:35:51 sam___: ask in #ubuntu Sep 24 11:37:53 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ Sep 24 11:37:54 Hey.... Where can I find the sources for building kernel,uimage device tree etc for beagleboard-xm ?I am looking for a kernel version above 3.6 Sep 24 11:38:02 has all the source packages Sep 24 11:38:44 how to extract this toolchain 'angstrom-eglibc-i686-armv7a-vfp-neon-v2012.12-toolchain.gz ' and how can i set the path to crosscompiler..... Sep 24 11:39:12 i used gunzip....but the output is a shellscript Sep 24 11:40:11 run the script Sep 24 11:40:19 then you will have in the dir where u installed the script Sep 24 11:40:30 another script to set up the environment Sep 24 11:40:51 the file is of type --- shell script (application/x-shellscript) Sep 24 11:40:51 das: are you another das than the usual das we have here in #beagle? Sep 24 11:41:04 das das :) Sep 24 11:41:14 I am another das....friends Sep 24 11:41:16 or das other das Sep 24 11:42:13 can you please tell me the command to run 'shell script (application/x-shellscript)' Sep 24 11:42:20 ./shellscript Sep 24 11:42:38 sh ./shellscript Sep 24 11:42:45 (in case it isnt executable) Sep 24 11:44:44 thanks ogra ...its working... :-) Sep 24 12:23:12 Hey.... Where can I find the sources for building kernel,uimage device tree etc for beagleboard-xm ?I am looking for a kernel version above 3.6 Sep 24 12:29:27 https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel Sep 24 12:29:29 3.8 branch Sep 24 12:29:45 but please read the readme Sep 24 12:33:14 the readme says that the kernel is for beaglebone boards Sep 24 12:33:30 i need it for the beagleboard-xm Sep 24 12:34:12 ...Kernel for the beagleboard.org boards... Sep 24 12:36:12 so in the usage part should i replace the board name and the kernel version ?? Sep 24 12:39:20 you could try Sep 24 12:39:43 ok Sep 24 12:42:53 Any DRM experts out there? i have a nice debug dump that means mostly nothing to me... http://pastebin.com/5v0YJmVK Sep 24 12:46:18 av500: the remote branches listed are for beagleboard and beaglebone but not for beagleboard-xm Sep 24 12:46:55 av500: the remote branches listed are for beagleboard and beaglebone but not for beagleboard-xm Sep 24 12:47:10 sigh Sep 24 12:47:16 its for the XM Sep 24 12:47:18 its a beagleboard Sep 24 12:48:03 ok Sep 24 12:48:04 thanx Sep 24 12:51:26 Hello! I need a help with the installation of windows embbeded 7 in Bigbone Black. Sep 24 12:52:14 CristianoReis: where did you get windows for the bbb? Sep 24 12:52:36 * KotH needs to know this for all the other people who ask about windows Sep 24 12:52:45 in site bigbone Sep 24 12:52:59 bigbone? Sep 24 12:53:17 http://www.bigbonebbq.ca/ Sep 24 12:53:44 I make stetp-by-step of the manual, but, don't nothing. Sep 24 12:53:59 nice troll Sep 24 12:54:18 Excuse-me my english, I speak a little english. Sep 24 12:54:37 beaglebone Sep 24 12:54:53 we cannot help you with windows 7 Sep 24 12:54:55 Sorry, we will not help with windows embedded Sep 24 12:55:05 you came to the wrong place Sep 24 12:55:13 you have to ask whoever sold it to you Sep 24 12:56:15 Okay, but just one question, what is the procedure for an image saved in sdcard give boot, anyone know let me know? Sep 24 12:56:45 write image to card Sep 24 12:56:48 insert card Sep 24 12:56:55 power on with boot button pressed Sep 24 12:57:00 it boots Sep 24 12:57:51 The boot button is one that is very close to the sdcard? Sep 24 12:58:22 S2 Sep 24 12:58:33 df Sep 24 12:59:05 The button boot is one that is above the sdcard? Sep 24 12:59:45 yes Sep 24 12:59:47 labeled S2 Sep 24 13:00:04 ok, very thanks!!! Sep 24 13:01:28 It was exactly what I did but nothing happens, there are 3 leds lit, and nothing else happens. Sep 24 13:02:02 no smoke either? Sep 24 13:02:22 no Sep 24 13:02:58 If I turn off the power and retreat SD, and turn again, there goes back up Linux. Sep 24 13:03:22 but nothing of windows!!! :-( Sep 24 13:04:00 as said Sep 24 13:04:03 we cannot help with that Sep 24 13:04:10 why do you want windows anyway? Sep 24 13:04:18 it has Start Sep 24 13:04:23 not any more Sep 24 13:04:29 it stopped Sep 24 13:04:39 compact/embedded still does Sep 24 13:04:56 SpeedEvil: do you know how to calculate the impedance of two parallel, rectangular wires without a GND plane? Sep 24 13:05:01 * av500 runs off to install it Sep 24 13:05:08 KotH: 50 Ohm Sep 24 13:05:40 without GND it's 48 I would say Sep 24 13:05:51 av500: remember a good Antivirus Sep 24 13:06:25 nah, the floppies are clean Sep 24 13:21:53 is it normal that he beagle not correctly reboots? Sep 24 13:22:04 under ubuntu at least Sep 24 13:22:14 never tryed it with angstron Sep 24 13:22:52 but when i do I "sudo reboot now" over ssh it goes down but never comes up again Sep 24 13:29:50 But anyone know if it is possible to install Windows Embedded Compact 7 BEAGLEBONE in Black? Sep 24 13:30:07 ops!! BeagleBone Black Sep 24 13:31:12 CristianoReis: ask the person that gave/gives windows to you. its closed source, it is payware, ask their support. Sep 24 13:31:37 KotH: rectangular wires? Sep 24 13:31:58 SpeedEvil: traces on PCB that are stacked over each other instead of being on the same plane Sep 24 13:32:00 KotH: if you're meaning PCB tracks Sep 24 13:32:17 SpeedEvil: there are dozens of formulas for round wires, but non for tracks Sep 24 13:32:18 KotH: yes - I'd google stripline calculator'. Sep 24 13:32:23 juup Sep 24 13:32:26 tried that first Sep 24 13:32:34 KotH: google for coplanar transmission lines Sep 24 13:32:36 all of these assume a ground plane somewwhere Sep 24 13:32:43 says the HAM here Sep 24 13:32:59 Two identical tracks phased oppositely are identical to a solution with a groundplane Sep 24 13:33:05 av500: assumes a ground plane, we dont have a ground plane Sep 24 13:33:08 With a board twice as thick and ground in the middle Sep 24 13:33:16 *patsch* Sep 24 13:33:17 yes, Sep 24 13:33:19 thanks Sep 24 13:33:21 * KotH is stupid Sep 24 13:33:30 Err half Sep 24 13:33:35 * SpeedEvil is confused now. Sep 24 13:33:48 Something like that. Sep 24 13:34:56 a ground plane is not mandatory for coplanar waveguides Sep 24 13:34:59 says the HAM Sep 24 13:36:10 av500: Are you honey-glazed? Sep 24 13:36:17 * SpeedEvil is now hungry. Sep 24 13:36:39 Im not the ham Sep 24 13:36:44 I have on on retainer Sep 24 13:36:46 two even Sep 24 13:37:10 ah Sep 24 13:38:51 [15:35] av500: hmm, maybe coplanar has groundplane too indeed Sep 24 13:38:53 [15:37] av500: A construction of GND <-> SIG_A <-> SIG_B <-> GND and no underlying ground should be a coupled coplanar wave guide Sep 24 13:39:10 ftp://idc18.seu.edu.cn/Pub2/EBooks/Books_from_EngnetBase/pdf/1835/1835ch10.pdf seite 27 ff. Sep 24 13:40:29 what is that ftp thing? Sep 24 13:40:52 is it like bittorrent? Sep 24 13:42:18 15:41] av500: http://chemandy.com/calculators/coplanar-waveguide-with-ground-calculator.htm and make the thickness very high Sep 24 13:42:27 KotH: ^^^ Sep 24 13:57:49 av500: yes, i have these standard calculators Sep 24 13:57:52 av500: thanks Sep 24 13:59:35 Jacmet, have you submitted a binding change as discussed in the hwaddr efuse thread or just -ENOTIME? Sep 24 13:59:52 Jacmet, I'm admitting my google-fu may be poor Sep 24 14:00:58 * KotH knows a temple that is famous for its wing-tsun google-foo Sep 24 14:01:12 very good place to learn this stuff :) Sep 24 14:01:57 is it surrounded by lawn-mowing goats? Sep 24 14:03:13 nope, they use yaks for this Sep 24 14:04:10 not llama? Sep 24 14:04:21 wrong continent Sep 24 14:04:32 globalization! Sep 24 14:04:51 * LetoThe2nd makes a notice to send fremen ans llamas to KotH Sep 24 14:04:58 you mean using the wrong guy at the wrong place for the wrong job? Sep 24 14:05:51 yes, exactly. Sep 24 14:07:02 mdp: sorry, have been busy with real life stuff Sep 24 14:07:21 mdp: I'll try to find time for it at the end of the week Sep 24 14:07:33 Jacmet, that keeps invading this world here too. ok thx, just checking in. no worries. hope all is well. Sep 24 14:09:37 mdp: sure, just the usual back from holidays, school start for the kids and piles of work waiting Sep 24 14:10:45 sounds familiar ;) *whew* Sep 24 15:58:45 do anyone have a .dts file for enabling rtsn on uart1 on the beaglebone black? i'm kind of stuck and can't seem to find any relevant examples Sep 24 16:49:33 guys i need help trying to install lighttpd, its stuck on configuring lighttpd for the past like 20mins :/ Sep 24 16:58:30 just say, not sure it is related to beagle though Sep 24 17:13:19 hi everybody Sep 24 17:13:43 i would like to boot from micro sd Sep 24 17:14:10 i had wroten image to my sd card and then i had boot my beaglebone Sep 24 17:14:21 how many minutes will take it? Sep 24 17:14:40 well keep the S2 button pressed Sep 24 17:14:43 for like 10secs Sep 24 17:14:50 it should boot Sep 24 17:14:57 ok Sep 24 17:15:10 but leds are flashing Sep 24 17:15:28 isnt it neccesery leds will be lid solid Sep 24 17:38:00 led will be in solid when the flashing is complete Sep 24 17:38:06 it takes like 20mins Sep 24 17:38:08 for ti to finish Sep 24 17:52:32 someone hellpp, i m following "http://www.berriman.co.uk/beaglebone-black-bbb-simple-web-io/" its stuck on Configuring lighttpd. ln -s '/lib/systemd/system/lighttpd.service' '/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.tar, not proceeding Sep 24 17:53:31 http://pastebin.com/PNegHTZC is a pastebin Sep 24 17:57:22 so it is stuck there ? Sep 24 18:06:40 can someone tell me why this wont work: http://the-nox.com/ibm60gb/BBB-home.txt Sep 24 18:07:12 this should change pin 77 0x0ac to pull-down, but it doesnt. Sep 24 18:08:50 this is my slots: http://www.the-nox.com/ibm60gb/slots.txt Sep 24 18:21:43 hi ! pfff I'm fed up witj beagle and all bullshit around that !! unable to ssh against my board because of bullshit "dropbear" !! why the use of so bullshit progs ??? openssh is not good enough for BB developper ?? maybe a sponsor ! fed up fed up Sep 24 18:22:33 krisfr92: maybe you should remove dropbear and install openssh- just a thought Sep 24 18:22:56 maybe they have to think about that Sep 24 18:23:07 before me Sep 24 18:23:40 tried Rpi : really good ! Sep 24 18:23:59 my router runs dropbear and I've never had a problem with it whatsoever Sep 24 18:24:15 tried Arduino : bullshit (no ram, no space for code) Sep 24 18:24:36 tried BBB : pfff too much non-standard Linux tools Sep 24 18:24:50 i couldnt connect by ssh neither, until i decided and could install new angstrom version... Sep 24 18:25:18 netstat -an show that nothing listen on port 22 Sep 24 18:26:11 maybe that was after a failed opkg upgrade (it has been reported as failure on default angstrom version) Sep 24 18:28:11 fixed nvm Sep 24 18:28:31 yes, it is after a successfull opkg upgrade......trying another one Sep 24 18:29:53 those men do really great job with their open source card, but they piss us off with theit f***g tools !! Sep 24 18:29:57 krisfr92: why not just install something other than angstrom linux if it bothers you so much? your concern really has very little to do with the beaglebone black Sep 24 18:31:01 i work every day with linux dist. (Redhat, debian, Suse) : what i am reporting is BB related, nothing else Sep 24 18:31:53 and why choosing Angstrom as default dist ?? it is a step in the past !! Sep 24 18:33:40 okay Sep 24 18:34:02 krisfr92, i suggested that the beaglebone black comes with no OS but comes with SDcard to flash with what every you want Sep 24 18:35:41 so nobody has a clue about pin muxing? Sep 24 18:35:53 i deal with Ubuntu and Debian on older release of BB : have to deal with others problems ! so now i'd like to use the default distrib to avoid compatibility and kernel problems Sep 24 18:37:23 The Raspbian distrib for Raspberry is just a piece of god !! why not so much good work on BBB ? Sep 24 18:38:53 @korenje : what is your problem with pin muxing ? Sep 24 18:40:24 I can't get pin to pulldown Sep 24 18:40:36 I use this: http://the-nox.com/ibm60gb/BBB-home.txt Sep 24 18:41:30 and pin 77 (0x0ac) doesn't go to pulldown for example. I also removed hdmi from capemanager slots Sep 24 18:41:43 krisfr92? Sep 24 18:42:13 yes yes, i need some minutes to understand your stuff Sep 24 18:42:42 root@beaglebone:~/homeautomation# cat $PINS | grep ac Sep 24 18:42:47 pin 43 (44e108ac) 0000002f pinctrl-single Sep 24 18:42:47 Hey all! I got my new beaglebone black! I works fine in standalone mode. I did a opkg update and upgrade to install the driver for the w-lan Adapter. After this angstrom starts just with a shell, no xserver. Before the GUI works fine, Sep 24 18:43:14 the pin is set to 2f instead of 27 Sep 24 18:46:08 pin 77 (0x0ac) is not declared in PWM_output_pins Sep 24 18:46:34 look lower Sep 24 18:46:52 digital_input_pins: pinmux_di_pins { Sep 24 18:47:11 first pin Sep 24 18:49:49 ok, not cheked out but r u shure pin P8.44 not reserved ? Sep 24 18:49:56 yes Sep 24 18:50:33 how can I check though? Sep 24 18:53:40 P8.44 is allocated to hdmi Sep 24 18:54:27 I know Sep 24 18:54:30 youcan check this here : https://github.com/derekmolloy/boneDeviceTree/blob/master/docs/BeagleboneBlackP8HeaderTable.pdf Sep 24 18:54:36 5: ff:P-O-- Bone-Black-HDMI,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONELT-HDMI Sep 24 18:54:41 6: ff:P-O-- Bone-Black-HDMIN,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONELT-HDMIN Sep 24 18:54:46 it's not loaded if this helps Sep 24 18:55:53 so you want to allocate this pin for what kind of stuff ? Sep 24 18:56:20 for button Sep 24 18:56:39 should be input, pulldown Sep 24 18:57:02 ok, did you unload "default" overlay ? Sep 24 18:57:18 ? Sep 24 18:57:56 which is that? Sep 24 18:58:39 maybe you kon that more tha me, but this vid (quite long) is a god : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wui_wU1AeQc Sep 24 18:59:26 checked it Sep 24 18:59:33 it works for him, doesn't work for me Sep 24 18:59:45 i'm shure your answer is here Sep 24 19:00:04 I did exactly as he did. it doesn't work fo rme Sep 24 19:00:06 for me Sep 24 19:00:46 also, is echo -9 > $SLOTS the same thing as unloading an overlay? Sep 24 19:02:08 hmm not shure.... Sep 24 19:03:21 it says it it Sep 24 19:03:23 is* Sep 24 19:05:05 an overlay is a thing...what about your wiring ? Sep 24 19:05:38 not wired anywhere Sep 24 19:06:27 you mean you have a push button not wired ? that does not help Sep 24 19:11:38 Any chance to have, one day, a BB running natively on real system as Ubuntu or Debain ? :) Sep 24 19:12:31 mean : "nativaly" !!! Sep 24 19:14:43 krisfr92: are you typing from 1992? Sep 24 19:15:07 my fingers are cold :) Sep 24 19:15:27 sorry Sep 24 19:15:42 what do u mean by bb running natively? Sep 24 19:17:03 i mean : not provided by a 1992 system as Angstrom : those day we are able to do very better stuff !! Sep 24 19:17:46 i mean : an embedded Debian or Unbuntu os ! Sep 24 19:18:01 I'm running debian on mine Sep 24 19:18:07 Angstrom is a piece of history Sep 24 19:18:31 ubuntu runns on bb for more than past couple of years! Sep 24 19:18:44 http://jamesbond3142.no-ip.org/wiki/wiki.cgi/FatdogArm/AdoptingFatdogArm Sep 24 19:19:05 know that : but not supported and not embedded : Sep 24 19:19:07 ! Sep 24 19:19:12 define embedded? Sep 24 19:19:21 Also, define supported? by whom? Sep 24 19:20:47 embedded : when i run my beagle for the first time i want to see "Unbuntu" and not "Angstrom" : mean forget opkg and introduce apt Sep 24 19:20:57 Yes. Sep 24 19:21:01 supported by the BB community Sep 24 19:21:12 http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started#distros Sep 24 19:21:50 Specifically: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu Sep 24 19:22:38 know that : but code sample provided is always based on "Angstrom", not garanteed on other distrib Sep 24 19:22:52 What code samples? Sep 24 19:25:40 http://learn.adafruit.com/measuring-temperature-with-a-beaglebone-black/installing-the-python-library : Angstrom Sep 24 19:26:06 You may have to change code "samples" to fit your hardware and software specifications. If you don't like that, either find a sample from someone using the exact same hardware, distro, software and shampoo as you. Sep 24 19:26:11 That's life on the internet. Sep 24 19:26:31 That tutorial includes ubuntu instructions. Sep 24 19:26:35 So what are you complaining about? Sep 24 19:26:49 about Angstrom Sep 24 19:27:02 So don't use angstrom, use ubuntu. That tutorial tells you how to do it in both. Sep 24 19:27:26 maybe this one as simple it is...... Sep 24 19:27:38 http://jamesbond3142.no-ip.org/wiki/wiki.cgi/-wiki/FatdogArm/00-WikiIndex "ARM platforms (notice the plural) are very diverse in terms of instruction sets (ARMv5, ARMv6, ARMv7, ARMv8, ...), on-board hardware configuration (depending on the SoC and board makers), RAM, CPU speed, etc. " Sep 24 19:31:05 well nervermind...i just think Angstrom is a piece of history and that more robust Os exists and are natively embedded in those days SBC Sep 24 19:33:39 (it is just an opinion) Sep 24 19:35:10 I doubt many people would complain if the official Beagle distro moved to something debian based. Sep 24 19:36:13 How do you Beagleize it ? Sep 24 19:37:06 A next step for BB would be to forget Angstrom and go to something Debian based ! this is the only thing thah will make the BB a killer stuff !!!! :) Sep 24 19:37:41 Is the distro image size an issue even for the BBB ? Sep 24 19:38:22 I don't think I've tried to get Wheezy going on BBB yet. So the last time I have it was on a SD card, not eMMC Sep 24 19:39:06 The image size is not an issue, the Os is an issue :) Sep 24 19:40:58 Fatdog is like the Dodge Tomahawk of OSes . Sep 24 19:42:47 "the Os is an issue" : i mean the way others Linux dist are implemented....once again have a look at Raspian: nothing to say, perfect and stable Sep 24 19:45:03 <_av500_> krisfr92: feel free to join the effort Sep 24 19:45:10 <_av500_> its acommunity thing after all Sep 24 19:45:33 RobertCNelson (the man i respect) is certainly a very cool guy...but i am not able to run a stable kernel with his code :) Sep 24 19:45:40 anyone know if with git am, if there's a way to know that the patch was already applied when git am fails, or is a conflict? Sep 24 19:46:13 i'm running ubuntu on my BBB, off the eMMC. was very easy to set up Sep 24 19:46:14 s/or/_or_/ Sep 24 19:46:49 so has anybody figured out how to supply 3.3v to RTC without powering the board and not charging the coin-battery? Sep 24 19:48:17 im sorry 1.5v Sep 24 19:48:18 @davr : depending of your setup ! shure 2+2 will be 4 on every systems....but what more ? Sep 24 19:51:21 @_av500_ : i will be glad to help, starting by forget Angstrom Sep 24 19:51:27 <_av500_> sure Sep 24 19:51:54 <_av500_> no need for @ Sep 24 19:52:01 <_av500_> it highlights me even without :) Sep 24 19:52:03 ok Sep 24 19:52:13 <_av500_> 'tisn't twitter here Sep 24 19:53:04 Any chance to have RobertCNelson in here ? have things to tell hilm ;) Sep 24 19:53:32 *him Sep 24 19:57:50 Arduino have switched to a Linux SBC (Aduino Yun)....it was the time : better later then naver ! ;) Sep 24 19:58:11 *than never Sep 24 19:58:24 That wasnt a switch, it was a additional Sep 24 19:58:48 if u say Sep 24 19:58:57 and the yun is more two separate processors. all the goodies are built into the wifi processor Sep 24 19:59:37 yes the wifi processor can be talked to by the arduino on board but it has its limitations Sep 24 20:00:04 and it is proced too high to be competitive Sep 24 20:00:10 yes, another Arduino bullshit...but the idea is here (10 years laters) Sep 24 20:00:11 s proced/priced Sep 24 20:02:30 krisfr92: there are many people with many diferent wants for their ideal embedded controller. Sep 24 20:03:50 In my opinion, today thers is to major stuff : BB and Rpi. Rpi is stable with modern Os (Raspian), BB is stable with out-of-date Os (Angstrom) . Make a BB natively powered by an up to date Os and you will have the world under your knees ! ;) Sep 24 20:04:33 koen, Angstrom out of date? :P ^^^ (just kidding) Sep 24 20:04:41 @djlewis : sure, but so promise given by the BBB Sep 24 20:04:56 krisfr92, not sure what you mean by out of date Sep 24 20:06:07 damn I still can't change settings for pin pin 43 (44e108ac) 0000002f pinctrl-single Sep 24 20:06:18 how do I know what is using it? Sep 24 20:06:53 the kernel itself is well supported now on the bbb(s): after pulling in linux-omap-dt into v3.12-rc2 Sep 24 20:06:54 2 years ago Apache library was a non-existant package on Angstrom, it was a buit-in in all others main distrib. Sep 24 20:07:24 (just a sample) Sep 24 20:08:47 @joel_: you can "kidding" : it is what it is.... :) Sep 24 20:09:58 <_av500_> again, step up and help Sep 24 20:10:14 me ? Sep 24 20:10:56 krisfr92, I don't use Apache or anything, and don't think I've not found a fairly recent version of package I wanted in Angstrom's feed. That said, you can always update the old recipes as _av500_ said. Sep 24 20:13:32 even "cacti" was introduced recently in Agstrom package ! it was time !! glad to see that Angstrom keep going and catch-up ! Sep 24 20:16:49 <_av500_> there is ubuntu and debian and atrch for the BBB Sep 24 20:18:07 I have tested both from Robert : it was a kernel mess !! Sep 24 20:18:20 <_av500_> ? Sep 24 20:18:24 <_av500_> use the angstrom kernel then Sep 24 20:19:39 that's what i am saying : Angstrom is not........ Sep 24 20:19:58 the future Sep 24 20:19:59 for BB Sep 24 20:21:10 <_av500_> ... Sep 24 20:21:38 and SOULD NOT BE !! Sep 24 20:22:05 <_av500_> the future is what you make it to be Sep 24 20:22:21 u can try windows CE Sep 24 20:22:34 _av500_, +1 Sep 24 20:22:44 i built a custom kernel for my ubuntu armhf image.... https://gist.github.com/bmatusiak/53324592f10294d8a05a Sep 24 20:23:18 windows CE is still alive? Sep 24 20:23:25 Windows CE ?? haha Sep 24 20:23:52 what is it? Sep 24 20:23:57 Windows CE, just another bullshit in the wall Sep 24 20:24:09 yay, trolling Sep 24 20:24:40 RypRap, lol Sep 24 20:25:32 indeed, nothing is bad when you have to use a win8 Sep 24 20:25:47 why would u have to ? Sep 24 20:26:12 kids new laptop Sep 24 20:26:46 downgrade to W7 or up to linux mint for example Sep 24 20:27:01 lol the first thing people ask me about windows 8 is how to turn off all the stuff that makes it win8 Sep 24 20:27:31 @bmatusiak : maybe your kernel is good, but i would like an official Debian based kernel from BBB : i have tested so much bullshit kernel...i won't more.... Sep 24 20:27:33 win8 is just a pretext for w9 Sep 24 20:27:41 I hear it's not so bad after you turn off the default GUI Sep 24 20:27:53 like win2k, and vista.. Sep 24 20:28:14 win8, can be run in a legacy mode where it looks and feels like win7 Sep 24 20:28:19 krisfr92, why aren't you talking to the debian people Sep 24 20:28:27 N2TOH: how? Sep 24 20:28:29 krisfr92, its builds off of stable repo patch from RobertCNelson Sep 24 20:29:02 ausxxh: use your Google foo, and it will tell you Sep 24 20:29:03 krisfr92, so in a way if you need the same stable kernel but you need to build a module.. this is a example to do so Sep 24 20:29:15 ok, but "stable repo patch from RobertCNelson" makes me laught Sep 24 20:30:16 i havent had any problems with bone28... but i had tuns of probs with bone20 Sep 24 20:30:32 http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/software-and-web-apps/how-to-make-windows-8-look-like-windows-7-50009546/ Sep 24 20:30:34 forgive my ignorance, does TI have an ARM that does 1080p/60 for industrial design, similar to imx6, all the AM33** are 720p correct? Sep 24 20:30:46 that link is the general jist of how it's done Sep 24 20:30:49 don't tell me 4430,etc that are EOL Sep 24 20:31:10 or 8160 for that matter, which is too hot Sep 24 20:31:19 definitely not a fanless thing Sep 24 20:31:24 8168 Sep 24 20:31:49 what is the deal with the BBB being limited to 1920x1080@24Hz Sep 24 20:32:28 display res is not the bbb's strong suit Sep 24 20:33:00 at least its 1080 Sep 24 20:34:21 even 1680x1050@60Hz would be nice Sep 24 20:34:29 <_av500_> omap4 lives on as Jacinto6 or Vayu Sep 24 20:34:40 <_av500_> for industrial and automotive Sep 24 20:35:11 I'm not sure but I think my Acer monitor only does 60Hz refresh rates for the supported resolutions Sep 24 20:35:13 guess it's to compete again imx6/7/8 then Sep 24 20:35:15 but nevermind, i will do what many people de here : deal with what is provided instead go elsewhere. I think i will go to another place : the Rpi place : where Kernel is stable, where RCNelson is not there Sep 24 20:35:32 <_av500_> ausxxh: somebody has to make an imx7 first Sep 24 20:35:50 was told will be released early 2014 Sep 24 20:36:10 <_av500_> maybe htey hired new people after they fired the imx7 team Sep 24 20:36:23 yes Sep 24 20:36:50 <_av500_> good for them Sep 24 20:37:18 i hope FSL's new CEO is not Elop to Nokia...fired imx7 team, a few months later, re-team Sep 24 20:38:29 krisfr92: whats the deal about him ? Sep 24 20:39:10 about him what ? RCNelson ? Sep 24 20:41:09 IT seems that he is competent, but when i deal with his kernel i have issues Sep 24 20:41:53 i think the BB community should not have o deal with him Sep 24 20:42:05 *to Sep 24 20:42:35 <_av500_> issues like? Sep 24 20:44:01 Alreadyn explained on this chat. Won't explain anaymore in details : basically USB is a mess Sep 24 20:45:05 RagBal, you hit the nail on the head Sep 24 20:45:29 Hm? Sep 24 20:45:50 krisfr92: what's with usb? Sep 24 20:46:17 srry RagBal i ment Sep 24 20:46:27 Ah ok =) Sep 24 20:47:32 we should have a voice bot here Sep 24 20:47:55 On prevrious BB board Ethnert over USB was a BIG mistake Sep 24 20:53:56 Actually Rpi is your main concurrent ! please do better ! it is not so hard, you just have to make an up-to-date kernel ! Sep 24 20:55:56 Forget Amstrong and go to Beaglebian ! Sep 24 20:56:16 you're free to install whatever you want Sep 24 20:57:53 lol Sep 24 20:59:42 i run my own build of linux Sep 24 21:00:03 http://trac.cross-lfs.org/ ^_^ Sep 24 21:01:20 sorry...to me nothing usefull.... Sep 24 21:03:27 Beaglebian ! Sep 24 21:03:28 Beaglebian ! Sep 24 21:03:29 Beaglebian ! Sep 24 21:03:30 Beaglebian ! Sep 24 21:03:31 Beaglebian ! Sep 24 21:03:33 Beaglebian ! Sep 24 21:03:34 Beaglebian ! Sep 24 21:03:36 :) Sep 24 21:06:11 \o Sep 24 21:06:26 I've been wondeirng how to set my angstorm system on beaglebone localized as in language and keyboard layout Sep 24 21:06:44 is there a "proper" way? Sep 24 21:25:44 I've got a fresh-from the box BBB that won't respond on 192.168.7.2 and shows up in the USB list as 1d6b:0104 rather than 0403:a6d0. I've tried changing the udev description but still don't get a ttyUSB* Sep 24 21:32:13 nvm, I'll try something different than angstrom now Sep 24 21:59:21 penth, what distro? Sep 24 21:59:35 o wait Sep 24 21:59:36 fresh Sep 24 21:59:40 as in angstrom Sep 24 22:01:01 penth, your trying to SSH into it or TTY into it? Sep 24 22:14:03 hi any experts on cross compiling here? i have tried http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-ARMCrossCompiler:GCC but dynamically linking to libc seems to fail Sep 24 22:14:50 it looks as if the linaro compiler there is using a slightly older version of libc than the current angstrom release (.15 vs .16) Sep 24 22:14:58 static compiles seem to work Sep 24 22:15:49 is there a way to reset my BBB? SSH is suddenly asking for a password Sep 24 22:17:46 KyleYankan, http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software Sep 24 22:18:23 requires 4gb microSD card Sep 24 22:19:36 KyleYankan: are you booting from onboard flash or your own card? Sep 24 22:19:48 onboard flash Sep 24 22:20:02 I realized the issue. Was connecting through a proxy, and thus not to the BBB Sep 24 22:20:03 my bad Sep 24 22:20:06 bmatusiak, I run ubuntu 12.04. Tried both ssh and screen /dev/ttyACM0 Sep 24 22:20:37 oh i was just thinking mount it and clear the password Sep 24 22:21:16 I see. Thanks techsurvivor Sep 24 22:21:29 I do have ttyACM0 (not USB0) and access via usb-storage Sep 24 22:22:08 penth, does ifconfig usb0 have a IP? Sep 24 22:22:39 I don't have a usb0 at all. Do I need to add it by hand to /etc/network/interfaces? Sep 24 22:22:46 no Sep 24 22:23:08 you do have usb-storage tho? Sep 24 22:24:15 if so thats wierd Sep 24 22:24:25 I have usb_storage and /media/BEAGLE_BONE is mounted. lsmod shows ftdi_sio and usbserial Sep 24 22:26:31 i would try upgrading software Sep 24 22:26:49 which software? Sep 24 22:26:57 http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software Sep 24 22:26:59 penth, does ifconfig usb0 have a IP? Sep 24 22:27:02 I think BBB has eth0 Sep 24 22:27:04 not usb0 Sep 24 22:27:22 im my desktop 12.04 uses usb0 Sep 24 22:27:28 and on BB usb0 Sep 24 22:27:34 the preinstalled angstrom had eth0 for me Sep 24 22:27:36 eth0 is my regular ethernet card :) and I sadly do not have an eth1 Sep 24 22:27:39 and the ubuntu 13.04 has eth0 too Sep 24 22:27:47 oh, seen form pc Sep 24 22:27:52 well tehre its always usb0 for me Sep 24 22:27:54 nvm Sep 24 22:27:55 Artox, we're looking at it from the Ubuntu desktop side, not from the device Sep 24 22:27:58 lol Sep 24 22:28:10 missed that bit nvm Sep 24 22:50:01 looks like I can fix my compiler issue by just moving to a newer compiler. lets hope that doesn't mess up kernel compile :) Sep 24 22:52:56 for some reason i like building my kernel on the system it self Sep 24 22:53:27 I find my systems always too slow for this task Sep 24 22:53:56 too painful, i'll just use my multicore pc for that :) Sep 24 22:54:43 i'm just getting into beaglebone stuff (I was messing with rpi before a bit) Sep 24 22:55:10 i just have a auto builder from SD... insert SD wait for light to turn off. kernel done. Sep 24 22:55:57 :P Sep 24 22:56:07 i'm still trying to figure out whether I want to muck with angstrom or ubuntu. I've played with both, ubuntu was easy to get wifi going on, I failed miserable with angstrom Sep 24 22:56:16 miserably* Sep 24 22:56:26 take opensuse xD Sep 24 22:56:42 but hoenstly, I'd take angstzrom as in openembedded then Sep 24 22:56:46 other things seem to work well though, so far. Sep 24 22:57:24 i want to learn some driver/kernel programming and it seems like a great platform to play with, plus all the io is great Sep 24 22:57:38 when compared with rpi Sep 24 22:57:59 same here Sep 24 22:58:16 im working on building a ethernet cape design Sep 24 22:58:26 so i can have dual ethernet Sep 24 22:58:59 im thinking about using the enc28j60 chipset Sep 24 22:59:11 cool, i want to more of a relay for light show design, hence all the IO is nice Sep 24 22:59:22 relay board that is Sep 24 23:00:36 sounds interesting, I am not sure enough of myself for a full cape design, I was going to run jumpers to start off, but maybe I should give it a go, my relays certainly wouldn't all fit on a cape though Sep 24 23:01:17 i think they already have a cape for relay Sep 24 23:01:33 same board on my ubuntu 13.4 laptop shows up as eth4 and web server is running. Sep 24 23:01:41 probably, but I won't learn much that way :) Sep 24 23:01:55 bmatusiak, did you add any extra packages to talk to the board on 12.04? Sep 24 23:02:17 i may use power mosfets instead of mech relays Sep 24 23:02:37 alsoPenth, not yet.. i ordered the module a week ago. from china Sep 24 23:02:49 so you guys are using 12.04 ubuntu as a base mostly? Sep 24 23:03:19 i am... specifically the armhf.com's Sep 24 23:04:22 ah... yeah that was the image I installed, but haven't done much with yet, I wanted to get cross compiling up and going Sep 24 23:05:27 the armhf.com's doesent have g_ether enabled by default Sep 24 23:06:16 is that the usb<->ethernet connection that comes by default? Sep 24 23:06:29 yea Sep 24 23:06:55 i wote a howto enable it @ http://www.bmatusiak.us/blog/5234637f5b917b0200000003 Sep 24 23:06:58 i haven't bothered much with that, just been using boring old wired ethernet Sep 24 23:08:24 i'll have to mess with that later Sep 24 23:08:29 i bookmarked it Sep 24 23:21:51 how i know package i need to get dig Sep 24 23:22:42 on angstrom with opkg Sep 24 23:27:07 opkg list shows all packages that are available Sep 24 23:27:16 I usually use grep but there is a opkg search also Sep 24 23:31:28 thats no in list Sep 24 23:31:31 not Sep 24 23:36:34 found bind-utils package for dig Sep 24 23:41:13 no wounder why there is no easy way tobrowse package contents, they havent finished to install drupal : http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/install.php?profile=default oups Sep 24 23:52:39 Hello, I have a quick question about the Beaglebone Sep 24 23:52:39 black Sep 25 00:11:04 * georgem_home stumbles in Sep 25 00:12:13 * georgem_home stabs Active Directory in the face Sep 25 02:46:12 lol Sep 25 02:46:44 gajhiwojhnefwoivaivoueawonicpfuewvhniuieqg **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 25 02:59:59 2013