**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 25 02:59:59 2013 Sep 25 03:04:40 is that German? Sep 25 05:11:43 Anyone had good luck with the pruss on bbb on v3.8 kernel? Sep 25 05:12:01 I have code that triggers IRQs in the PRU firmware Sep 25 05:12:24 I have a kernel module that did irq_request for the given host IRQ Sep 25 05:12:26 but it never fires Sep 25 05:12:33 used to work on the v3.2 kernel Sep 25 05:12:43 I suspect some kernel IRQ stuff changed rather then the PRU itself Sep 25 05:12:55 cat /proc/interrupts shows my IRQ with 0 count Sep 25 05:20:11 Hello Sep 25 05:20:22 I have a question about GPIO in beaglebone Sep 25 05:20:50 Is there anyway to read or write 32 bit or 8 bit with GPIO Sep 25 05:20:58 instead of only 0 or 1 Sep 25 05:21:16 thanks Sep 25 05:23:45 kitarousa: not that I'm aware of, not using the kernel's gpiolib at least Sep 25 05:24:20 The GPIO hw registers would let you set/clr multiple bits in a single write, but I don't think you can do that without hacking it Sep 25 05:24:31 and assuming they are on the same GPIO bank Sep 25 05:24:48 could you memory map the gpio registers and do it that way? Sep 25 05:25:26 I have not tried memory map Sep 25 05:25:27 magyarm: you could open /dev/mem and do that, but now you're doing stuff behind the kernel's back (aka hack) Sep 25 05:27:35 if hacking it is ok, the starterware will probably help: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/StarterWare Sep 25 05:27:58 If you're running starterware you're probably in better shape Sep 25 05:28:22 would it possible to write your own kernel module that does the memory map access to gpio ports? Sep 25 05:28:25 Or you could use the PRU, but that's a big task Sep 25 05:28:44 magyarm: gpiolib in the kernel manges the gpios for all SOCs, and it doesn't support what you want to do Sep 25 05:28:55 so you'd still ahve to hack around behind gpiolib's back Sep 25 05:29:22 Checkout https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gpio.txt Sep 25 05:29:25 maybe hacking is only choice Sep 25 05:29:38 I have read the GPIO kernel documentation Sep 25 05:29:48 it just support 0 and 1 Sep 25 05:29:51 Potentially Sep 25 05:30:14 The more "proper" approach might be to modify gpiolib to let you set contiguous blocks like you want to do Sep 25 05:30:23 toobluesc I know, just thinking out loud about ways to do port writes Sep 25 05:31:50 if a gpio isn't exported, will gpiolib still manage it? Sep 25 05:32:41 If you were to do it in kernel and directly access the ports, at least do the (devm_/pinctrl_)_gpio_request() so you can be sure that nobody else is using the GPIOs you are messing with, nor are they going to request and use them later Sep 25 05:32:53 gpiolib manges _all_ gpios for a SOC Sep 25 05:36:54 kitarousa: are you trying to bit bang something? Sep 25 05:37:17 so after gpiolib requests are run so they can't be called on later, why not then memory map the gpio bank register you want and do byte size (or greater) writes? I'm coming from a more microcontroller background, and teaching myself more the embedded linux side, so apologies if the question is silly Sep 25 05:39:08 magyarm: that's what i was suggesting as the most reasonable hack that's pretty safe Sep 25 05:39:42 as long as you request them from gpio lib you know that no other code is using them now or int he future, so then it's pretty safe to modify them Sep 25 05:40:02 just make sure you use SET_DATAOUT and CLEAR_DATAOUT so you don't clobber adjacent bits Sep 25 05:40:20 the part that is a hack is that you're still doing stuff behind gpiolib's back, but it should be pretty safe at that point. Sep 25 05:41:22 toobluesc: that makes sense. thank you for explaining Sep 25 05:41:55 magyarm: another idea might be to use the PRU's gpios Sep 25 05:42:12 no kernel modules manage those after you switch the pinmux Sep 25 05:42:31 then you could do a userspace PRU firmware that could do what you want on the PRU core Sep 25 05:44:18 the PRU has been on my list of things to learn. Sounds like a fun project to do so. I don't actually have an application for any of this right now, just jumped on kitarousa 's question since it sounded interesting to me Sep 25 05:46:00 looks like the PRU has 16 GPIOs that are directly accessible by it Sep 25 05:46:13 The PRU is a blessing and a curse :) Sep 25 05:48:52 now if only I could figure out why my interrupt controller is semi broken Sep 25 05:58:05 greetings earthlings Sep 25 06:00:26 hi Sep 25 06:00:46 It appear something in the kernel is INTC_MIR0 Sep 25 06:00:57 messing with INTC_MIR0 * Sep 25 06:20:22 morn Sep 25 06:20:41 magyarm, toobluesc, thanks for your answer Sep 25 06:20:41 evenin' Sep 25 06:20:50 kitarousa: np, good luck! Sep 25 06:20:52 I will take a look on PRU Sep 25 06:21:19 if you are trying to bitbang a parallel interface the PRU is probably the best tool, but painful to get going Sep 25 07:00:56 helloo.....from where can i get cross compiler for my BBB...I am using Ubuntu 11.04 in my PC... Sep 25 07:01:50 fgf: what buildsystem do you use? Sep 25 07:02:12 buildsystem means...??? Sep 25 07:02:14 fgf: if you use buildroot, angström or the like, they come with their own cross compiler Sep 25 07:02:54 are there A9 or dual core cpu's on the ti roadmap or is that all dead? Sep 25 07:04:29 octacore Sep 25 07:04:36 keesj: ask your friendly TI sales person Sep 25 07:05:14 I don'have any Sep 25 07:05:25 keesj: then find one using ti.com Sep 25 07:05:29 keesj: there is a list of them Sep 25 07:05:36 you are all I have Sep 25 07:05:55 now, calling me a sales person is a major insult! Sep 25 07:05:59 (and want) Sep 25 07:06:11 sorry dude, but i dont swing that way Sep 25 07:06:56 it is not such a weird question. I guess I can ask "is there going to be a dual core beagle?" Sep 25 07:07:16 or "shall we make one?" Sep 25 07:07:21 make one Sep 25 07:49:12 keesj: ask tom flanagan Sep 25 07:51:36 k Sep 25 08:15:27 Hi All Sep 25 08:15:55 Could u send me the MSP430 + Camera compitable board Sep 25 08:16:01 who know how can i fix validate error Sep 25 08:16:25 what? Sep 25 08:40:28 i want .iso file of angstrom OS Sep 25 08:40:36 where can i get it? Sep 25 08:41:25 iso? what for? Sep 25 08:41:29 we do not do isos, they only get waretized and people spread them through piratebay. Sep 25 08:41:54 I'm going to buy beagle bone black but it is going to take time so to try it on vmware i need iso file of angstrom Sep 25 08:42:24 *facepalm* Sep 25 08:42:34 vin_: vmware for ARM? Sep 25 08:42:36 * vvu|Log hides a bit Sep 25 08:42:37 you have that? Sep 25 08:42:44 vin_: you cannot *emulate* a BBB in vmware/vbox/whatever Sep 25 08:42:58 can qemu help?? Sep 25 08:42:58 or no, that should be Sep 25 08:43:04 vin_: not really Sep 25 08:43:07 vin_: *you* cannot emulate a BBB in vmware/vbox/whatever Sep 25 08:43:43 so even qemu can not emulate BBB Sep 25 08:43:49 that is u are saying?? Sep 25 08:43:57 correct Sep 25 08:44:01 and what for Sep 25 08:44:11 i have no idea what "u" is saying, i do not know that nickname. Sep 25 08:44:26 the best way to emulate a BBB is to just buy one, real emulation :) Sep 25 08:45:08 k thnak you Sep 25 08:48:48 xD Sep 25 09:55:19 hey beaglers Sep 25 09:55:35 someone has a idea on this one? http://askubuntu.com/questions/349775/how-to-make-a-gpio-pin-act-like-pc-speaker-positive Sep 25 10:17:27 what you wrote there Sep 25 10:17:30 try that Sep 25 10:18:11 though on a PC, the speaker is not jsut a GPIO Sep 25 10:18:16 I think there is some timer hardware too Sep 25 10:18:26 so just the speaker driver might not work Sep 25 10:32:47 hy av500 again Sep 25 10:34:17 i got it wo work without any transitor with just 3,3V and its very loud ;) Sep 25 10:36:03 fine Sep 25 10:36:10 if the GPIO breaks, you know why Sep 25 10:36:32 did not know about time hardware. so i guess i have to create my own timer software to make some sounds. Sep 25 10:36:41 it can break? with that? Sep 25 10:36:53 with your setup Sep 25 10:37:01 does it matter what ends up in GRD? Sep 25 10:37:24 GRD? Sep 25 10:37:58 i have it in P8.10 and GRD Sep 25 10:38:06 or what its called? Sep 25 10:38:15 i thaught its for ground Sep 25 10:38:22 GND Sep 25 10:38:53 oh yes Sep 25 10:38:56 GND Sep 25 10:39:42 so it the 3,3 V whatever ampere/corrent go from the P8.10 into GRD that could break my BBB? Sep 25 10:39:53 current* Sep 25 10:41:25 it i would just mut a cable between those 2 without the speaker, and then same question for with speaker. i really have no idea of hardware. but I tought it fine this way. Sep 25 10:41:45 as I said Sep 25 10:41:49 if i would just put* ... Sep 25 10:41:52 you draw too much current from the GPIO Sep 25 10:41:55 use a transistor Sep 25 10:41:59 its all explain on the web Sep 25 10:42:04 at many places Sep 25 10:42:08 or ignore it Sep 25 10:42:11 ok thanks Sep 25 10:42:16 good to know ;) Sep 25 10:42:17 basic electronics can also be learned there Sep 25 10:43:05 i am just so unpatient, i saw this guy who did somethign liek that with the rasberry pie and it looked like he did not use a transitor so i assumed its ok Sep 25 10:43:53 don't come crying here when you burn out the processor Sep 25 10:44:01 but even if the pie might be different Sep 25 10:44:22 the problem with the piers is that they're clueless Sep 25 10:45:08 i dont like when ppl say untrue things about groups of ppl Sep 25 10:45:26 what's untrue? Sep 25 10:45:33 maybe 80% if them are clueless, maybe. still then the statement is wrong. Sep 25 10:45:41 fine Sep 25 10:45:43 you dont call a group clueless Sep 25 10:45:48 mostly clueless then Sep 25 10:46:14 ok i am to but when it comes to byuing stuff i am not Sep 25 10:46:32 never said they are clueless about buying stuff Sep 25 10:46:40 and the bbb is so much better in terms of hardware Sep 25 10:46:42 they're clueless about electronics and embedded linux Sep 25 10:46:59 i did not accuse you of saying that i am Sep 25 10:47:24 whatever - don't take seriously whatever is said on irc Sep 25 10:47:29 i saw some other board thats even better in hardware ... forgot the name Sep 25 10:47:47 its 10€ more with sata and 2 usa 4gb nand and 1gig ram Sep 25 10:48:04 and am a bit unhappy that i not baught that, was a but to late Sep 25 10:48:34 cubieboard? Sep 25 10:49:27 cubieboard2? Sep 25 10:49:41 yes Sep 25 10:50:06 is the sata and network on the cubieboard through USB? Sep 25 10:50:27 with adapter? Sep 25 10:50:45 it directly on the board if thats whats you asking Sep 25 10:51:08 be most important think is that it has 1gig ram Sep 25 10:51:22 you can build a serious server with that Sep 25 10:51:43 i actaully could send my bbb black and buy one ;) Sep 25 10:51:44 lol Sep 25 10:52:01 no, I know some boards use a usb to communicate to on-board sata/ethernet. just don't know how th cubieboard does it Sep 25 10:52:30 there is still time i have the right to send it back without 14 days without a reason Sep 25 10:52:46 By default the pin 27 on header P8 on BBB is coming with a function LCD_VSYNC...i want to change it to a GPIO(MODE 7).....How can i do this.....?? Sep 25 10:52:47 redanimalwar: the IFC6410 is a lot more expensive, but looks good for server-purposes as well Sep 25 10:53:23 By default the pin 27 on header P8 on BBB is coming with a function LCD_VSYNC...i want to change it to a GPIO(MODE 7).....How can i do this.....?? Sep 25 10:53:53 i guess i will stay with bbb the community is bigger i guess. also I learned my share about it already Sep 25 10:55:17 By default the pin 27 on header P8 on BBB is coming with a function LCD_VSYNC...i want to change it to a GPIO(MODE 7).....How can i do this.....?? Sep 25 10:55:26 ok i need to buy a transistor, but wich one ) the same they use for the LED? Sep 25 10:55:57 daaw did somebody join this chat sinde you first ask? Sep 25 10:56:02 ..ed Sep 25 10:56:12 since* Sep 25 10:56:22 no Sep 25 10:56:28 ok then stop spamming Sep 25 10:56:47 then you say it Sep 25 10:57:39 lol how old are you? Sep 25 10:58:00 i am a totally noob i cant help you with that Sep 25 10:58:12 why you want to know..? Sep 25 10:58:39 just curious Sep 25 10:58:41 from where can i get the information.. Sep 25 10:58:46 i am 24 Sep 25 10:58:51 you..?? Sep 25 10:59:41 30 Sep 25 10:59:57 from.? Sep 25 11:00:53 but with 24 i knew already that pasting questions twice is not helping myself ;) Sep 25 11:00:55 germany Sep 25 11:01:28 daaw: http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_and_the_3.8_Kernel Sep 25 11:01:30 mm... Sep 25 11:01:36 read that Sep 25 11:01:46 ok av500..thanks Sep 25 11:27:23 redanimalwar: what server do you want to set up using your BBB? Sep 25 11:31:07 mailserver Sep 25 11:31:16 atm, maybe more later Sep 25 11:31:38 should be fine for just myself Sep 25 11:46:03 redanimalwar: yes, the BBB should definately be able to do a personal mail server. I actually tested it with SOGo as addition as well and a simple Zotonic blog, and it was able to cope just fine with a (low of course, but normal) load Sep 25 11:51:51 CPU runs SW, film at 11 Sep 25 11:54:20 av500: whoa! Sep 25 11:54:52 yes Sep 25 11:54:59 surprises me every day anew Sep 25 11:56:33 * LetoThe2nd just got totally blasted. Sep 25 12:01:25 and what does SW and film at 11 mean? Sep 25 12:01:55 software Sep 25 12:03:10 Film at 11 originated when news programs would advertise they were going to run a more detailed piece later in the night Sep 25 12:03:42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_at_11 Sep 25 12:09:31 in case someone was bored with ARM || MIPS :) https://www.turris.cz/en/hardware Sep 25 12:10:28 system is systemd free (tm) Sep 25 12:12:36 open source hardware, thats cool Sep 25 12:14:36 nothing about price, will be pretty expesice i guess Sep 25 12:15:29 that's relative :) Sep 25 12:15:36 redanimalwar: it means that a mail server is going to run on about any hw platform these days Sep 25 12:15:46 that runs linux Sep 25 12:16:31 some joke i not get because i am german, yes i got that somehow after the link Sep 25 12:17:33 redanimalwar: please stop blaming every thing that you do not understand on being german - you're just ruining it for every german who understands it. Sep 25 12:18:02 ynezz: why not use a open-source SPARC design and improve on it? Sep 25 12:19:06 http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/systems/opensparc/index.html Sep 25 12:19:29 blaaa: well, I'm not involved in this project Sep 25 12:19:35 well if i run a iRedmail wich is like 10 programs meld together for a serious mailserver with antispam, antivirus and all that stuff i would argue that i woudl struggle hard on machines that run linux what have only 64mb ram or whatever is the min for linux Sep 25 12:19:43 blaaa: and it's probably too late now :) Sep 25 12:20:34 and Oracle, ehm Sep 25 12:21:03 ynezz: yes, probably. Also it would be much more difficut and expensive I suppose. But it would be completely open source hardware, if someone designs suitable controller chips in addition... Sep 25 12:21:24 ynezz: I think sun has released the stuff... Sep 25 12:21:38 and "complete opensource hardware" wasn't the goal either Sep 25 12:22:18 it's quite hard anyway, as there's WiFi involved also Sep 25 12:22:49 ynezz: yes, pantents (and the amount of work) won't mke that easy... Sep 25 12:24:13 Leto: STFU I did not "blame" anything im me beeing german, i simply stated the fact, things like jokes and stuff that nobody everybody here refers to "spannung" in ampere and not current so i did not know about it. I would probably get that "11 on film" joke if I would live in the US that a simple true statment not "blaming" anthing. Sep 25 12:25:50 redanimalwar: a very mature answer indeed. Sep 25 12:25:54 *plonk* Sep 25 12:26:43 its quote common that you understand a foreign language pritty well but when it comes to spcific jokes and stuff and you have no relationship to that area you will not get them. the fact that the wikipedia page is not even translated on ANY language proves my point! Sep 25 12:28:26 but now i am not mature because i have the arguments where you have nothing but bs? sure typical Sep 25 12:28:58 for the protocol: i will not discuss with anybody opening an argument with "STFU" Sep 25 12:29:45 yeah how about you stop talk to me at all idiot ( to be mature one time) Sep 25 12:30:28 * georgem puts on his fire suit Sep 25 12:31:01 georgem: why? better use a stillsuit Sep 25 12:31:34 heh Sep 25 12:31:48 * vvu|Log thinks we all need to hide a bit Sep 25 12:32:04 i am simply right and you clain i blame "everything on beeing german" while all i did was stating that about TWO area specific things. so why you are start arguing with respect? when you want to insult me Sep 25 12:32:33 let'S just stop Sep 25 12:36:01 and remember the first rule of IRC - if you dont understand something, go google it Sep 25 12:36:16 And pretend you understood it Sep 25 12:36:22 exactly Sep 25 12:36:28 nothing to pretend Sep 25 12:36:37 you google it, you read, you understand Sep 25 12:36:37 well.. yeah Sep 25 12:36:45 make for far less "fill noise" Sep 25 12:36:48 makes Sep 25 12:37:57 problem because i stated another fact, that its stupic to call a group "idiots" when some of them are. ppl are ofended by the truth its always the same. they can factit so they come up with bs. Sep 25 12:38:25 as far as I can remember you started calling people idiot Sep 25 12:38:28 av500: just got the BBxM! found somebody in my university who is selling one Sep 25 12:38:29 but as said, stop Sep 25 12:38:49 i pretended to get it? Thats why a asked what it mean, said nothing untill i was asked about it and then said "i SOMEHOW got that it was a joke" Sep 25 12:38:53 is the last one Rev C Sep 25 12:38:59 FFS stop spreading BULLSHIT Sep 25 12:39:26 redanimalwar: Did you forget to take your medication? Sep 25 12:40:03 i not need any medication, 90% of medication is bad and invented to make big pharma rich Sep 25 12:40:11 right.... Sep 25 12:40:37 and i am so healthy that i not need something form the 10%, but thanks for asking Sep 25 12:40:56 plonk Sep 25 12:41:06 Is ther a KIND sould that can help me getting some commands run at boot time? distri ubuntu Sep 25 12:41:32 the usual ubuntu way? Sep 25 12:41:50 Bo_DK: in trivial cases, just /etc/rc.local it Sep 25 12:43:49 if your intersted in big pharma you should watch this http://blip.tv/azk/azk-vortrag-nebenwirkung-tod-korruption-in-der-pharmaindustrie-john-rengen-1828414 its english (the actual talk) Sep 25 12:44:37 no KIND souls to help out with a few commands etc? Sep 25 12:45:51 [14:41] Bo_DK: in trivial cases, just /etc/rc.local it Sep 25 12:46:10 https://www.google.de/search?q=ubuntu+run+command+at+startup Sep 25 12:46:18 https://www.google.de/search?q=ubuntu+run+command+at+boot Sep 25 12:46:20 some commands? Sep 25 12:46:21 https://www.google.de/search?q=ubuntu+run+command+at+login Sep 25 12:47:00 funny thing that i hate it when ppl just say "google it" but in this case its you maybe really should ;) Sep 25 12:47:52 if your running kde you can easy setup starting scripts without ever touching eny special files for that, just in setting. no idea about gnome Sep 25 12:49:26 i have these 3 commands in rc.local...: Sep 25 12:49:35 1. chmod 666 /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots Sep 25 12:49:46 2. echo ttyO1_armhf.com > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots Sep 25 12:49:51 Bo_DK: i usually do stuff in my crontab as an user Sep 25 12:49:58 there are aboout 3 or more places for starting scripts Sep 25 12:50:05 if i want commands at startup Sep 25 12:50:18 3. gpsd /dev/ttyO1 Sep 25 12:50:20 vvu|Log: well thats more like anacron then. Sep 25 12:50:23 2 does not work Sep 25 12:50:28 not sure if rc.local works for ubunut, i remember tampering with that shit once Sep 25 12:51:22 it may also matter when exacty you want them to run and if they need root rights Sep 25 12:51:28 there are also services Sep 25 12:51:43 this init.d/ stuff Sep 25 12:51:56 funny thing is Sep 25 12:51:58 you can set them up to start at boot as root Sep 25 12:52:12 if i log in to terminal and do those one at a time they work Sep 25 12:52:22 just not from anywhere else.... so far Sep 25 12:57:02 no help? Sep 25 12:57:54 http://askubuntu.com/questions/814/how-to-run-scripts-on-start-up Sep 25 12:58:05 70 upvotes look cedible Sep 25 12:58:13 trustable i mean Sep 25 12:59:06 well allready been tried Sep 25 12:59:16 well i should better refer to the 31 upvotes on the answer, thats what matters ;) Sep 25 12:59:18 but why not again just for the fun of it Sep 25 13:00:02 but that what i told you Sep 25 13:00:10 upstart/services Sep 25 13:00:27 the new thing here is how to setup this in the gui Sep 25 13:00:50 but again it depends on what exact stage and root Sep 25 13:00:59 what gui? i run terminal Sep 25 13:01:03 no screen to BBB Sep 25 13:01:14 well Sep 25 13:01:22 Q: Sep 25 13:01:43 why does one command work from terminal when i do it by hand Sep 25 13:01:48 but not from rc.local Sep 25 13:02:14 well i would try a upstart script Sep 25 13:02:18 did you do thatß Sep 25 13:02:45 srew your rc.local now. remove eveything you added. Sep 25 13:02:50 would like to know answer to my Q..... Sep 25 13:03:15 why can it all work when i type my commands by hand Sep 25 13:03:25 did you try upstart script? Sep 25 13:03:29 but not when they are run at boot time Sep 25 13:03:34 you can do this without GUI! Sep 25 13:03:55 and why do you keep asking a Q without answering mine Sep 25 13:04:03 not very friendly Sep 25 13:04:08 and i dont learn Sep 25 13:04:11 WTF? Sep 25 13:04:27 i try to hepl you idiot Sep 25 13:04:56 i am not friedly becaus i ask you if you tried why i think will work fine? Sep 25 13:05:03 yes but like to know why its does not work from rc.local... and first thing you say screw rc.local Sep 25 13:05:13 do not learn anything from that Sep 25 13:05:29 so i just need to presend you with a solutionand you have to do nothing? Sep 25 13:05:56 no just tell me why it does not work when commands are run from rc.local.... Sep 25 13:06:00 for starters Sep 25 13:06:53 reset you rc.local to original start, get to know a simple upstart script and then let it autostart, that will worl with 99% chance in my opions, so not i am dont beeing "not very friedly" Sep 25 13:07:04 what is wrong with people? Sep 25 13:08:13 Bo_DK: i'd try do diagnose it one after the other. have some output logged to a file, maybe you're trying to write to a path that does not yet exist or such at that time. Sep 25 13:08:25 Am i wrong here? ie want to know why it fails ? Sep 25 13:08:45 Bo_DK: basically, get more information instead of just "does not work" Sep 25 13:08:47 should that not be the first thing... ie know why before just doing something else Sep 25 13:11:29 like i said - find it out. i do not know why. Sep 25 13:11:50 use echo to a file and redirection to log your debugging messages. Sep 25 13:15:22 guess i'm the arsehat here.... Sep 25 13:15:33 huh? Sep 25 13:16:11 what about the hints on how to debug your findings are not to your liking? Sep 25 13:17:01 or do you have me on ignore? well in that case - whatever. Sep 25 13:20:56 Bo_DK: get the Unix System Administration Handbook (http://www.admin.com/) Sep 25 13:21:04 Bo_DK: read it, learn it, come back when you still have questions Sep 25 13:38:27 Iam trying to write an eeprom... and read some examples like Null cape and Kellers blog.. but I am confused about details on new 3.8 kernel could make this exemples outdated Sep 25 13:59:56 Hi there, would it be possible to port Ubuntu touch to the beaglebone black? Sep 25 14:03:07 Fo2adZz: not that it would make much sense, but probably Sep 25 14:04:04 dm8tbr: thanks Sep 25 14:11:32 the BBB CPU does not care what code it runs Sep 25 14:13:12 av500: it doesn't like my SPARC code very much :( Sep 25 14:13:33 nobody likes sparc code... Sep 25 14:16:22 I'm looking at the option of powering my bbb off a transformer with a lithium battery in the middle as blackout protection lithium battery -- I'm thinking something along the lines of [BBB <- LiBat <- ?V DC <- 240V AC] -- anyone see/done something similar? Sep 25 14:17:16 use a "battery tank" Sep 25 14:17:27 one of these mobile phone chargers Sep 25 14:17:35 DC->5V->tank->BBB Sep 25 14:17:44 they come in all sizes Sep 25 14:18:02 actually, I apologise -- google eventually found this for me: http://www.element14.com/community/community/knode/single-board_computers/next-gen_beaglebone/blog/2013/08/10/bbb--rechargeable-on-board-battery-system Sep 25 14:18:17 another round of applause for the beagle mob -- that's bloody fantastic Sep 25 14:19:02 Yes I use on of this chine 12000 miliamps endure 6 hours using hdmi Sep 25 14:19:25 pkh: yes, you can do that too Sep 25 14:19:34 my BBB does not havbe these pins yet Sep 25 14:19:38 but I think production units have Sep 25 14:19:55 oh wait, I have later BBBs too Sep 25 14:19:57 but where.... Sep 25 14:19:57 ah, I assumed they were all missing and it was up to the user to solder them in Sep 25 14:20:10 well, the pads should be there Sep 25 14:20:24 the TP5-TP8 are on my BBB just behind the 5V plug Sep 25 14:20:34 ok Sep 25 14:20:40 then you can do as described there Sep 25 14:20:42 I guess Sep 25 14:21:34 so, I'l suck it and see when I get a chance, but I assume that when the 5V goes out, all USB powers down and the core ticks along until the 5V is reattached. Sep 25 14:21:35 anyone have a good tutorial about program the eeprom for a new cape on kernel 3.8 ? alredy seen Derek Malloy vids and Null cape example but nothing happens... Sep 25 14:22:04 http://papermint-designs.com/community/node/331 Sep 25 14:22:19 very good tutorial... Sep 25 15:23:46 I'm having the USB problems mentioned in various locations seems to be to downgrade to the 3.2 kernel instead -- anyone knwo where I can find out which version (short of downloading every one) made the jump? Sep 25 15:24:14 there's a word missing in there somewhere -- 'the solution' Sep 25 15:28:29 how to install qemu in windows Sep 25 15:28:54 ?? Sep 25 15:29:14 rathijeet: wrong channel Sep 25 15:29:25 I want to emulate qnx on it Sep 25 15:29:36 rathijeet: wrong channel Sep 25 15:35:23 hi! is it possible that BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.09.12.img.xz is not a flasher image? it boots up with the angstrom prompt from my sd card... Sep 25 15:37:06 flashers are angstrom too Sep 25 15:37:16 boot prompt and all Sep 25 15:37:30 i thought they did not display the prompt before Sep 25 15:39:14 i can also log in so it does not seem to flash anything Sep 25 15:41:17 Anyone trye dprogram I2C eeprom through /sys/bus/i2c ? Sep 25 15:41:19 av500: ideally an initramfs with no shell and a custom init for the purpose Sep 25 15:42:31 Anguel: I could login into the flasher over serial Sep 25 15:42:36 and see emmc.sh run Sep 25 15:43:20 av500: i can login through ethernet, how can i check if emmc.sh is running? Sep 25 15:43:57 ps aux Sep 25 15:44:09 av500: a yes, i see it :) Sep 25 15:45:30 av500: {emmc.sh} /bin/bash /usr/bin/emmc.sh Sep 25 15:45:43 thats the flasher Sep 25 15:45:46 so i will wait :) Sep 25 15:46:04 sorry for the confusion Sep 25 15:48:02 what is actually BBB-eMMC-flasher-v2013.06-2013.09.12.img.xz ? is this based on a new Angstrom? Sep 25 15:49:07 its a flasher Sep 25 15:49:15 that flashes -v2013.06-2013.09.12 Sep 25 15:51:22 av500: I had in mind a kernel + cpio composed of static compiled init and a flasher.bin. The image/firmware would reside on some block device (maybe another card) together with a file with the flasher-options to append. The init would scan the devices, find the image and launch the flasher with its options Sep 25 15:51:55 av500: see, it is basically kexecboot but instead of kexec we execve the flasher Sep 25 15:52:03 sure Sep 25 15:52:14 zero user intervention Sep 25 15:52:17 you can also push that over usb with what vvu|Log did :) Sep 25 15:52:27 zero sdcard intervention Sep 25 15:52:32 heh Sep 25 15:52:57 any block device...not yet over NET Sep 25 15:53:51 Has anyone successfully connected a bbb to ubuntu 12.04? I appear to need a package/library I don't have. Sep 25 15:54:18 I get usb_storage but not a network device Sep 25 15:57:33 anyone know if bonescript has working pin muxing, analog write, and interupts? Sep 25 15:57:58 pin muxing was work in progress Sep 25 15:58:05 I dont know if it progressed Sep 25 15:58:15 ant_work: http://github.com/ungureanuvladvictor/BBBlfs Sep 25 15:58:50 thanks. do you know if there are working libraries for the 3 in any other language? Sep 25 16:03:38 av500: But why the two dates in BBB-eMMC-flasher-v2013.06-2013.09.12.img.xz ? I see there is a Angstrom feed v2013.06 (in contrast to the 2012.12) Sep 25 16:04:19 I dont know Sep 25 16:07:59 vvu|Log: http://kexecboot.org/ Sep 25 16:08:51 did not know about this thingie Sep 25 16:08:57 i just did my custom thing for the BBB Sep 25 16:09:35 see the crazy koen Sep 25 16:09:36 http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/3761596514/ Sep 25 16:13:30 Goge: I don't know what you mean by analog write, but libsoc can do interrupts and digital IO Sep 25 16:13:43 not pinmuxing though Sep 25 16:17:15 jackmitchell: analog write = pwm Sep 25 16:18:46 Goge: ah no, it doesn't do pwm yet Sep 25 16:34:59 Hello, I am trying to build a loadable kernel module for 3.8.13 angstrom distribution. I used Robert Nelson's stable kernel source. But after I compiled Hello World example, when I try to insert module, I got invalid module format error. As I understand, probably I didn correct kernel source version. Sep 25 16:35:24 didn't use Sep 25 16:56:06 Can i get Angstrom in ISO file format to run it on some emulator or virtual machine?? Sep 25 16:57:19 please reply Sep 25 16:58:20 Can i get Angstrom in ISO file format to run it on some emulator or virtual machine?? please reply Sep 25 17:00:26 what emulator Sep 25 17:01:18 like qemu Sep 25 17:01:24 BBB emulator Sep 25 17:01:46 or virtual machine like VMware Sep 25 17:04:17 josh_____: fyi irc is more of a "ask and wait a few hours, less than one if you're lucky" kind of deal unless the population is 250+ Sep 25 17:10:35 seems like dynamically/programatically changing pin mux modes is not happening O.o I guess I should write a "virtual cape" and use that. Sep 25 17:15:24 I'm incredibly new to linux and trying to set up a listening/audio station in an acoustics lab to test speakers/headphones. I need audio and video playback, the ability to use a USB headphone amplifier, wifi connectivity(via an edimax dongle), and the ability to use something like Pandora radio on it. Is this possible to do this on a beagleboard black with angstrom? Would Ubuntu be better? Can the BBB even support/do what I'm trying to d Sep 25 17:16:15 anyone here working on the drm? I keep getting drm_kms_helper: panic occurred, switching back to text console. happens randomly. Sep 25 17:38:34 http://pastebin.com/S4MDjJUk Sep 25 17:45:20 is there a way to know what version my beagle bone is running (figure I don't need to image it if I don't have to) Sep 25 17:46:05 terminal : uname -a Sep 25 17:52:30 mkjackson => terminal: uname -a Sep 25 17:54:56 thx folks, troubleshooting my ssh (just got it and trying to call ssh localhost:22 from my terminal) Sep 25 17:55:44 seanv: any linux based device will do it Sep 25 17:56:00 seanv: but raspberry pi is probably going to be cheaper Sep 25 17:58:13 Has anyone successfully connected a bbb to ubuntu 12.04? I appear to need a package/library I don't have. When I connect I get usb_storage but not a network device. Sep 25 17:59:03 penth any reason for not just using a network cable ? Sep 25 17:59:29 full switch :( Sep 25 18:00:42 too bad you can't use a "Y" cable and split a copper gige port into two 100Mb/s ports Sep 25 18:00:51 penth open the html in linux have a driver thet have to be installed Sep 25 18:01:32 mkudevrule.sh Sep 25 18:03:21 hey folks, so just to be clear… I can (using OSX via terminal as I'm really a Linux guy at heart) just "dd if= of=/dev/sd" ? Sep 25 18:03:37 (also ssh resolved, just needed to specify the user via -l option Sep 25 18:03:39 stroker_mata, I've already done that. I put in the rules per mkudevrule.sh and duplicated them for the 1d6b:0104 usb id the bbb appears as rather than 0403:a6d0 Sep 25 18:05:12 I have a /dev/ttyACM0 rather than /dev/ttyUSB0, and it times out when attempting to connect to screen. (And I have already reflashed it with the current Angstrom distro) Sep 25 18:08:48 seanv: yes beaglebone black can do all of those things Sep 25 18:09:43 I heard it can also solve world hunger Sep 25 18:10:13 mkjackson: http://beagleboard.org/support/bone101/dogtag might be helpful Sep 25 18:10:27 half a problem solved: I needed sudo to run 'screen /dev/ttyACM0' but then I got no response in the terminal Sep 25 18:10:34 Crofton|work: hehe Sep 25 18:11:03 Crofton|work: beaglebone black does make a good plow when mounted to a pole Sep 25 18:11:26 penth: you probably need to specify the baud rate if connecting a serial device. Sep 25 18:12:31 penth I use Win PC to develop, But ia VM use the shared coenction without this probelsm.. Sep 25 18:33:18 Anyone knows i2cdetect don`t shows up my eeprom on i2c 1.. my scope tells it there... Sep 25 18:33:34 <_av500_> what does i2s detect say? Sep 25 18:42:18 _av500_ only UU in the 54 to 57 adresses Sep 25 18:42:45 I am folowing the Derek Maolly video... Sep 25 18:43:21 through Sep 25 18:43:48 http://youtu.be/8C2zk6B-eLU Sep 25 18:44:41 I have an saleae clone and a Cheap scope... but is not helping..rsrs Sep 25 18:49:08 does anyone know if /sys/class/drm and /sys/class/drm_kms_helper are specific to X11 configuration only? Sep 25 19:18:19 hey folks, so I was hoping to flash my bbb with the latest image (I've unzipped it) Sep 25 19:18:28 should this work (I'm on OSX)... Sep 25 19:18:51 sudo dd if=~/Downloads/ of=/dev/disk1 Sep 25 19:18:55 ? Sep 25 19:19:30 actually, it won't work because this file is 3.6GB and the eMMC is 2GB Sep 25 19:19:31 :-/ Sep 25 19:19:56 the imager goes to an SD Sep 25 19:19:57 then boots Sep 25 19:20:01 and images the emmc Sep 25 19:21:14 getting the smaller emmc once Sep 25 19:21:26 (I didn't get an SD with my bbb) Sep 25 19:48:01 so… I guess there's no way to update this guy unless there's a microSD invovled? :-( Sep 25 19:48:15 inet is just sending me around in circles Sep 25 20:01:12 newer heared of update another way Sep 25 20:01:36 also it not out of the box be able to boot from usb i think Sep 25 20:01:58 i sew a very complicated tut how to boot from usb harddisk Sep 25 20:02:07 saw* Sep 25 20:02:37 but that may have have invelved a sd card Sep 25 20:02:56 if you buy one make sure to buy a fast one (class 10 or so) Sep 25 20:03:53 i baught by BBB together with some micro SDHC that so fucking slow Sep 25 20:12:12 redanimalwar: tyvm for the heads up Sep 25 20:15:45 mkjackson: you can always extract the binary that goes onto the emmc Sep 25 20:16:16 mkjackson: but you need to have a system that runs completely independend of the emmc otherwise you will fuck up your system (and thus the update) completely when you overwrite the emmc Sep 25 20:42:39 What interface we can use to use 3 wired temprature sensor ? Sep 25 20:45:13 if its a beagles bone and its black... how did it get that way ? Sep 25 20:45:21 write one in qt Sep 25 20:45:27 in the dev gui Sep 25 20:46:03 rneese , me ? Sep 25 20:49:08 any one ? Sep 25 20:51:19 anyone its a joke question Sep 25 20:51:29 trying to have a little fun today Sep 25 21:28:11 When would it make sense to run QNX on the BBB? (except for 'the experience') Sep 25 21:30:10 i guess if you need "real time" Sep 25 21:32:54 are man entries just empty on BBB ? Sep 25 21:33:02 on angstrom Sep 25 22:49:58 blaaa: example, one of the things my team is considering is using a realtime OS for a quadcopter. Sep 25 22:50:59 Hello all Sep 25 22:56:51 Is Beagle black better than Raspberry Pi? Sep 25 22:58:11 in several ways, yes. Sep 25 22:58:31 Pip: I've only experience with the beage bone black, but I know that the bone is better if you need to do a lot of I/O Sep 25 22:58:33 maybe there are some ways it's not... Sep 25 22:58:34 it has many more pins Sep 25 22:58:57 I'm not sure what the raspberry pi has that the beagle doesn't. Sep 25 22:59:29 rocky|beagle: OK, so it's really about the real-time stuff. Sep 25 22:59:32 Raspberry Pi ModB has two USBs Sep 25 23:00:12 Pip: I think video deoding might be oe of the stonger points of the RPi hardware Sep 25 23:00:22 the beagleboneblack is at least ARMv7, which means it has somme hope of being supported by most distributions out of the box Sep 25 23:00:42 my keyboard is broken.... Sep 25 23:00:57 blaaa: yes. If you have functions that absolutely have to be run at regular intervals, or need to respond to some I/O in a very timely matter, you're looking at getting a realtime os Sep 25 23:01:18 vagrantc: I know that debian, ubuntu, and arch support it already Sep 25 23:01:23 somewhat Sep 25 23:01:42 somewhat? Sep 25 23:01:45 kernel support isn't fully there, at least in debian Sep 25 23:02:05 and not sure about uboot support Sep 25 23:02:19 I think OpenBSD is going ahead in its support of the BBB as well Sep 25 23:02:32 uboot support for *what*? Sep 25 23:02:35 not complete though Sep 25 23:02:51 yeah, I saw that too. I've heard the bsd guys tend to support the hardware the target very well. Sep 25 23:03:03 uboot *can* run and executable when told so. Sep 25 23:03:13 an ! and Sep 25 23:04:13 all bbblack uboot support has been mainlined? Sep 25 23:04:52 not sure but do not think so Sep 25 23:05:04 still requires patches Sep 25 23:05:26 the bbblack seems to be doing a much better job at getting stuff mainlined Sep 25 23:05:26 than the rpi, or many other projects Sep 25 23:06:00 thats because there are a few awesome people working on code to support the BBB Sep 25 23:06:05 although the sold numbers are a lot lower (at least for now) I suppose Sep 25 23:06:12 im not included Sep 25 23:07:02 It makes sense to pay attention to the availability of documentation for all hardware I suppose Sep 25 23:07:30 you're kidding right ? Sep 25 23:07:50 if you're interested in working with the PRUs, getting docs for them I've found is pretty difficult Sep 25 23:08:19 rocky|beagle thats maybe because you need the right TRM Sep 25 23:08:27 probably so Sep 25 23:08:38 the latest TRM has no PRU specific info in it at all Sep 25 23:08:45 I'm aware of this. Sep 25 23:09:03 I think jhason does have a git that explains and has example code forthe PRU plus assembler etc Sep 25 23:09:11 I have found the docs, it was just more difficult than I think it should have been. Sep 25 23:09:11 jason* Sep 25 23:09:36 Yeah, I talked to jason today, actually. He's our client for this quadcopter. Sep 25 23:09:46 i guess maybe you're new to embedded hardware then Sep 25 23:09:56 or not Sep 25 23:10:44 it's senior design. Before this year, I've worked with PICS, atmegas through arduino, and msp430s, but not embedded linux. Sep 25 23:11:29 Im completely new to embedded linux, and have found most stuff fairly easy to get information on. Most of the people in here are helpful, if you ask the right question. same on the beagleboard user groups Sep 25 23:11:43 yessir Sep 25 23:12:15 but asking "how do i do x, y, z on Linux" is very likely to give you no answer at al. because . . .linux is linux Sep 25 23:12:45 yeah you're aware im sure Sep 25 23:12:51 yep Sep 25 23:13:02 those kind of questions are what google is for. Sep 25 23:13:18 this is why i use debian,. i dont have to look far for answers to question i dont know Sep 25 23:13:39 well most people dont know that debian x86 vs ARM is the same in this context Sep 25 23:14:07 or any Linux x86 vs arm for that matter Sep 25 23:14:32 anyhew i think ive derailed the convo not really what i meant Sep 25 23:15:27 rocky|beagle got a link to your project ? Sep 25 23:15:47 * m_billybob is always interrested in seeing what people are doing with embedded stuffs Sep 25 23:16:19 yeah, we have a github. I don't think anything is on it yet though. We've been mostly using google drive for our proposal and such Sep 25 23:18:05 quadrocipter you say ? Sep 25 23:18:10 copter* Sep 25 23:18:16 yeah Sep 25 23:19:16 i find some of that stuff pretty cool. not really my bad, but I recently watched a youtube vid of someone flying one via thoe really cool stereo glasses Sep 25 23:19:25 err not really my bag* Sep 25 23:19:37 I just emailed on of our leaders to get the repo's url. a testiment to how little we've used it so far. Sep 25 23:19:45 I think he was one of thoe racer guys Sep 25 23:19:52 which racer guys? Sep 25 23:20:27 someone gave me a link. was a nice copter plus stero glasses and some almost like PS3 joystick setup Sep 25 23:20:40 cool Sep 25 23:20:46 like 2 km setup with wifi Sep 25 23:20:52 was it a beaglebone project? it'd be nice to leverage off of there work Sep 25 23:21:02 *their Sep 25 23:21:16 oh i dont think so but *could* be done using a beaglebone in the mix somewhere im sure Sep 25 23:23:05 Jason's wanting us to use soley the beagle hardware, no offloading the flight stablization to another uC. So unless their control algorithms could be ported to the PRU without an incredible amount of difficulty, it probably wouldn't work out. Sep 25 23:23:47 there will always be another MCU id think Sep 25 23:24:08 not quite sure how well a BBB would do on the actual qudro myself Sep 25 23:24:27 sounds like a definate challenge Sep 25 23:24:39 the idea would be to use the beagle for highlevel processing, like opencv and navigation, and use a PRU to handle flight stablization. Sep 25 23:25:04 that way if linux hangs up, the quadcopter will still be under control. Sep 25 23:27:13 or an FPGA that way if Linux barfs you have more of a chance it will not crash Sep 25 23:27:35 the pru can operate independently of the ARM chip, right? Sep 25 23:28:08 from what I know yes the PRU can, what about power problems? Sep 25 23:28:22 ? Sep 25 23:29:26 If the board browns out, there really isn't anything you can do for safety at that point. Sep 25 23:29:36 how are you going to know linux barfed? as for the power problems all sorts of odd things han happen with complex systems Sep 25 23:30:04 use an isolated motor controler that can detect a crash or hang Sep 25 23:30:35 what I'm thinking for "linux barg" is having the bone's software send a heartbeat to the pru. If the heartbeat stops, the pru knows it needs to try to land. Sep 25 23:31:23 what about a two handshake verify to save against coruption Sep 25 23:31:39 what do you mean by a two handshake? Sep 25 23:32:48 like a call response between the bone and the pru? Sep 25 23:34:25 yes bi directional, something a bit more then are you there Sep 25 23:35:05 send, then verify Sep 25 23:35:57 if the PRU can't verify a responce of if the main CPU if awake revert to a controlled decent Sep 25 23:36:18 I think I understand, but tell me if it's not what you meant. We should have the PRU echo back commands that the ARM sends out to verify that the pru recieved its command without any corruption? Sep 25 23:37:04 correct no corruption, but to also make sure both ends have not crashed Sep 25 23:37:16 so your aircraft will not crash Sep 25 23:38:04 honestly, we're thinking of having the PRU sit between the ARM and the motor controllers. Only the PRU will be able to communicate with them. So if the PRU were to crash, there really isn't any benefit in letting the ARM know. Sep 25 23:38:14 have you seen what the GRASP lab has managed to do? Sep 25 23:38:40 no, what is it? Sep 25 23:38:57 sure there is have the ARM pull a reset vector and prey you can recover before impact Sep 25 23:39:10 hang on food on stove bbiab Sep 25 23:39:31 I honestly didn't think of that :p Sep 25 23:39:48 I like their swarm of nano copters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIMGV5vtd4 Sep 25 23:40:02 yeah that is GRASP lab work Sep 25 23:40:27 their early work got the copters to init midair Sep 25 23:40:51 they would just chuck them into the air hand then have them self stabilize Sep 25 23:41:32 that's always a fun trick. Sep 25 23:41:52 I have no contact with that group, so I don't know if they can already do the trick Sep 25 23:42:14 I'd say that video means that they do. Sep 25 23:42:25 the tough part is how to detect a crash, other then a watch dog timer Sep 25 23:42:26 [16:28] the pru can operate independently of the ARM chip, right? <- of the OS yes Sep 25 23:43:11 so say the am335x shutdown then yeah so does the PRU Sep 25 23:43:16 ok Sep 25 23:43:18 shuts down* Sep 25 23:43:24 good to know Sep 25 23:45:24 it jus tlike saying the board processor and al runs the OS etc, but the PRU can run indepentant of the OS. Sep 25 23:45:57 or PRU's if you like (since there are two ) Sep 25 23:46:32 what sort of interaction is there in the failure modes? Sep 25 23:46:44 honestly i have no idea Sep 25 23:46:57 no hands on here, but have donea good bit of reading. Sep 25 23:47:10 you mean failure modes of the beagle in general? Sep 25 23:47:40 im *thinking* if there is some kind of reset condition, the PRU's will reset also, but the PRU's run their own code Sep 25 23:48:10 how fast they would come back up . . . no idea Sep 25 23:48:32 I'd think it'd depend on how fast the bone's software could reload them. Sep 25 23:49:24 Spruh73c should tell all Sep 25 23:49:56 well I've got some homework to do, I'll ttyl Sep 25 23:50:18 good luck, andi'd like to hear more on what you havefound later Sep 25 23:50:24 if you so feel inclined to share. Sep 25 23:50:45 the project is open source. very glad I don't have to be following any NDAs :p Sep 25 23:51:32 I'm sure I'll be online again at some point with questions. I'll try to remember to forward the github repo to you when I find out what it is Sep 25 23:51:36 good point about the reset condition Sep 25 23:53:18 very cool :) Sep 25 23:53:18 an even better question for the boot loader guys, LOL! have the board boot up the PRU in priority mode and then verify if the vehicle is flight stable. then maybe procede to a full boot Sep 25 23:53:43 ^that^ (yeah I'm still here:p) Sep 25 23:54:40 a canned ASM code routine would be the fastest. with the hand off being currently in flight and stabilized Sep 25 23:56:01 i see a few possibilities. first I thought of is PRIU realization to auto hover when wifi connection is lost after a certain amount of time. I am sure there is some other better way to handle such a situation though Sep 25 23:58:10 silly question, why use a large overhead interface like WiFi? Sep 25 23:58:34 maybe zigbee or some othe rproto would work. Sep 25 23:59:07 wifi can have a very good range though. depending on antenna etc Sep 25 23:59:13 I take that back, see how much overhead you can strip out of the connection, like forget TCP/IP Sep 25 23:59:22 you guys should know that we aren't all that deep into the project yet. We're still working on an item list so our subteams can get started interfacing to the IMU, measuring the thrust from our motors, etc. Sep 26 00:00:30 for example if you use RAW MAC addressing, you can shave that time out of your responce times Sep 26 00:00:52 N2TOH , but also you have other options other than TCP/IP, USP is one, but you could for instance even attempt layer 2 . . . Sep 26 00:01:00 UDP is one* Sep 26 00:01:27 N2TOH: The benefit of using wifi is that it is a very common interface. certainly more likely that the enduser would have a wifi enabled device than, say, a zigbee. Sep 26 00:02:09 I dont think zigbee can have up to around 30 miles raduus either, but that is extreme range even for wifi Sep 26 00:02:45 and the common interface thing is a big dealto some as well Sep 26 00:02:45 I argee on the commonality of WiFi, I was stressing more so on the bloat of the higher protocols Sep 26 00:02:54 ok Sep 26 00:03:42 no reason to run DHCP and dynamic IP address settings if you already know the hardware address of the device Sep 26 00:03:57 in an urban envoirnment we've done ~11-12 miles with 802.11b/g Sep 26 00:03:59 I doubt the users would really notice any added latency over tcp/ip. What I envision this being used for is FPV and manual control. Sep 26 00:04:05 m_billybob: woot! Sep 26 00:04:20 thats with good antennas though Sep 26 00:04:25 both ends Sep 26 00:04:39 how heavy were the antennae? Sep 26 00:04:48 21db andrew our end and like idk 50Mbit omni on the other end Sep 26 00:05:11 too heavey for a qudro for sure Sep 26 00:05:26 lets say 5 lbs easy Sep 26 00:05:43 I can see high gain directional AP antennas easy, but what about the copters? Sep 26 00:05:48 also 802.11b/g is mostly LoS Sep 26 00:06:13 yep, far too heavy :p I'm wanting to keep this thing below 1kg, hopefully much lower. Sep 26 00:06:13 (line of sight ) it can punchthrough thin / smal obsticals but yeah . . . Sep 26 00:06:28 antenna can be etched right onto the boards for the flight controlls Sep 26 00:06:51 but then we're talkign exceeding FCC standards Sep 26 00:07:05 so i say 2-3 km is a good potential range Sep 26 00:07:15 are we talking a product for sale or a prototype? Sep 26 00:07:19 im no expert either Sep 26 00:07:38 LoS is fine with our client. This isn't meant to be some super advanced quadcopter anyway. It's more envisioned for being an intro to quadcopters (and showcase the beaglebone black) Sep 26 00:07:38 2km is being done now so i know 2 km is possible Sep 26 00:07:46 N2TOH: somewhere in the range of 1k to 10k units Sep 26 00:08:11 for comercial use or the hobby/toy market? Sep 26 00:08:17 hobby Sep 26 00:08:31 2.4Ghz is legal up to around 1A Sep 26 00:08:37 for hobbyist Sep 26 00:08:46 then keep the 2.4GHz Amateur radio channels in mind Sep 26 00:09:10 id have to check it may be slightly lower Sep 26 00:09:14 with a proper ham license you can run way more power and gain Sep 26 00:09:27 different band though Sep 26 00:09:33 same hardware Sep 26 00:09:34 I don't expect the average user to be a ham radio operator though. Sep 26 00:09:42 no kidding lol Sep 26 00:09:51 ^^ that is Sep 26 00:10:10 typically just a firmware hack as most COTS products are internation and just a check box setting to change them Sep 26 00:11:00 the 2.4GHz band over labs the WiFi band here in the USA, in other countries it's slightly differnet too Sep 26 00:11:05 well im not exactly a radio engineer but my buddy is Sep 26 00:11:25 yeup Sep 26 00:11:40 2.4Ghz here is public domain Sep 26 00:11:43 US Sep 26 00:11:47 you will eventyally see what I am rambling about when you look at the international chanel tables Sep 26 00:12:38 the HAMS had it first, the Industrial Science Medical Bands are an interesting thing in themselves Sep 26 00:12:56 WiFi in in direct violation of the original allocation of the ISM bands Sep 26 01:07:03 anyone know where I can get older images for the beaglebone black? apparently the switch to the 3.8 kernel has screwed with the usb-host, and I want to try the older kernel 3.2 image Sep 26 01:07:29 http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/ Sep 26 01:07:40 3.2 kernel images weren't released for BeagleBone Black. Sep 26 01:08:00 ah, bugger Sep 26 01:08:18 has anyone run into (and maybe solved) the issue? Sep 26 01:08:38 one example here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.beagleboard.user/42825 Sep 26 01:09:15 they mention the 12.05 angstrom -- I'll give it a blast -- how bad can it go... Sep 26 01:09:28 I think but am not positive Someone used / modified Robert Nelsons 3.2 kernel to work on the BBB Sep 26 01:09:35 you could always ask him on the groups Sep 26 01:11:34 they mention the 12.05 angstrom -- I'll give it a blast -- how bad can it go.../ Sep 26 01:11:37 butter. Sep 26 01:11:41 this group? another? Sep 26 01:11:45 also chipsee makes LCDs that are BBB compatible, that run android, which im am fairly sureuse 3.2 Sep 26 01:11:45 ah, mailing lists. Sep 26 01:11:54 beagleboard groups Sep 26 01:12:17 I don't want to go down the android road -- I'll need to use a lot of the linux software before I'm done. Sep 26 01:12:29 pkh: I know the Android release from TI for BeagleBone Black uses a 3.2 kernel Sep 26 01:12:38 me either just saying that the BBB and 3.2 are most likely possible Sep 26 01:13:12 it wont be supported so if you run into troubles you'll likely be on your own Sep 26 01:13:20 I'll fire up the 12.05 beaglebone image and see what happens Sep 26 01:18:50 pkh: https://gitorious.org/rowboat/kernel/source/03f2a1e9ea7f8b11ff6809f5a75b614011f8adb6: Sep 26 01:20:42 hello Sep 26 01:21:12 jkridner: awesome -- will check it out, thanks Sep 26 01:24:34 My beagle bone black will not power on at all. When I plug it in with usb or 5v powersupply the power led just flashes once.If I hit the power or reset button it does the same. Does anyone happen to know what is going on. Sep 26 01:29:14 nox Sep 26 01:31:39 My beagle bone black will not power on at all. When I plug it in with usb or 5v powersupply the power led just flashes once.If I hit the power or reset button it does the same. Does anyone happen to know what is going on. Sep 26 01:35:00 helli Sep 26 01:35:02 is there anyone who manufactures bare-bones beaglebones without the ports/headers Sep 26 01:35:16 hello Sep 26 01:35:26 isaacbw: No Sep 26 01:35:31 welp Sep 26 01:35:52 isaacbw: In principle you could ask for them to be removed at manufacture - that would likely be fairly expensive as a small run thoguh Sep 26 01:36:08 from TI? Sep 26 01:37:19 They are not made by TI Sep 26 01:37:41 I forget the actual vendor - but there was a way to request custom runs with stuff added or left off Sep 26 01:37:47 oh, okay Sep 26 01:37:55 cool, I'll do some research Sep 26 01:39:01 do you know if beagleboard C3 version have dsp? Sep 26 01:40:39 isaacbw: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack Sep 26 01:40:51 isaacbw: email sales@circuitco.com Sep 26 01:41:12 ah Sep 26 01:41:25 But it's only likely to be worth it for large numbers Sep 26 01:41:38 SpeedEvil: not really, as long as it is depop Sep 26 01:41:47 Ah Sep 26 01:41:56 Well - I was meaning 'not several' Sep 26 01:42:18 yeah - not populating is of course easier than a clean design Sep 26 01:42:18 isaacbw: there would be an NRE plus you would need to come up with some estimated numbers Sep 26 01:42:47 SpeedEvil: we already have a number of depop versions that are done, it might be that they specific combination is already being run Sep 26 01:43:00 Ah - neat Sep 26 01:43:56 Is the price ever likely to be below that of the stock though? Sep 26 01:44:06 (Though that may not be the question isaacbw is asking) Sep 26 01:45:00 do you know if beagle board c3 have DSP? Sep 26 01:45:44 alviur: that information is on the wiki page as well as the Technical reference Manual and datasheet Sep 26 01:51:16 cool. I don't need them now but it's nice to know that it can be done Sep 26 02:53:18 where can i get ISO file for angstrom?? Sep 26 02:54:03 akki: ISO that contains what for angstrom? Sep 26 02:55:07 I want to boot angstrom from cd/dvd rom, so to burn it to disk i need angstrom OS in dvd bootable format Sep 26 02:57:14 I want to emulate BBB using qemu, but it can only boot from cd rom, for that i need this Sep 26 02:57:21 please help Sep 26 02:58:31 akki: hehehehe Sep 26 02:58:44 what?? Sep 26 02:58:45 akki: arm qemu can boot from an image Sep 26 02:59:02 akki: no such iso image exists for beaglebone black Sep 26 02:59:26 akki: you can generate one if you insist, but i suspect that is not what you need **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 26 02:59:58 2013