**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 07 02:59:58 2013 Oct 07 03:57:21 how can I install ubuntu 13.04 on BBB ? Oct 07 04:01:26 Xbon: give me ur email Id I will share a link with you when I will be free. Oct 07 04:02:44 Xbone: read directions from the world wide web: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Raring_13.04_armhf Oct 07 04:03:45 I'm using a 4gb sd card. is it enoguh ? Oct 07 04:04:45 sure! what do you plan to run? Oct 07 04:05:34 opencv Oct 07 04:07:03 I have personally tried a few different distros for the Beagle Black, with Ubuntu I tend to stay at least one release back as their debugging seems to be slow. Oct 07 04:08:28 not that they are doing a bad, or poor job. just keep in mind we are not running super common commodity X86 or AMD64 hardware. Oct 07 04:10:16 keep in mind for about 20 years now, I have been performing a crappy job of interesting folks in common projects. Oct 07 04:10:41 you can uses as surveillance system Oct 07 04:11:10 N2TOH: you need UDOO Oct 07 04:11:29 * N2TOH likes the simple method of asking people what they like. it's even better in person Oct 07 04:11:49 Kudos if your Female! Oct 07 04:15:22 * N2TOH wow look at all the spontaneous crickets that appeared! Oct 07 04:34:23 can I run a google+ hangout with BBBlack? Oct 07 04:34:39 good question! Oct 07 04:35:05 not sure if there are google browser plugins oficially Oct 07 04:36:23 plugin is what stopped this from working an a R-Pi, so never knew if hardware could handle Oct 07 04:38:33 given that there is e.g. the samsung chromebook Oct 07 04:41:39 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.linaro.devel/10936 Oct 07 04:44:14 nice! thanks @dm8tbr, clloks like I can run android or chrome-os to get there Oct 07 04:44:51 yes, android is probably the fastest way to get there Oct 07 04:45:32 in the future this will hopefully 'just work™' with a browser and webRTC Oct 07 04:45:39 but seems google is not quite there yet Oct 07 04:48:08 still very cool. will make a nice low cost vid conf solution for my office :) Oct 07 04:48:21 thanks guys, cya Oct 07 05:46:10 I installed a the debian image then SSH'd into it went to apt-get update and it says apt-get doesnt exist =( Oct 07 05:46:26 used http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Demo_Image , any ideas? Oct 07 06:25:14 FZombie: ask the person providing the image? Oct 07 06:25:56 I guess im going to have to build my own, there used to be a image with apt-get Oct 07 06:25:59 which looks like it's RCN to no surprise Oct 07 06:26:15 other than that, try if aptitude is there? Oct 07 06:26:15 its ok I started to install my own anyways just a bit of work Oct 07 06:26:37 that was gone too Oct 07 06:26:41 so was ping Oct 07 06:26:58 ping actually had a binary but it didn't do anything strange thing is everything did md5sum Oct 07 06:27:10 and 2 separate sd cards tested. Oct 07 06:42:51 trying to grab p9.16 for gpio, but i'm getting a collision with rstctl. this isn't in the reference manual. Oct 07 06:45:10 looks like it should be under the emmc pins section. Oct 07 06:50:13 this pin doesn't go anywhere on the board...wtf. Oct 07 06:50:45 heres the patch: https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard/blob/master/common-bsp/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-mainline-3.8/resetctrl/0005-bone-Add-rstctl-DT-binding-for-beaglebone.patch Oct 07 06:50:54 "Add a reset control resource for the eMMC's reset GPIO." Oct 07 06:50:57 but it doesn't go to the emmc. Oct 07 06:52:22 GPMC_A4 goes to the emmc reset. Oct 07 06:52:58 i'll assume i have my addresse wrong. Oct 07 07:01:22 yeap. spreasheet i found online was poo. Oct 07 08:08:57 is there any driver avilable for MCASP in BBB ? Oct 07 08:11:34 has some one worked with urt UMSH-8596MD-9T display and its backlight under linux? Oct 07 08:21:41 is there any driver avilable for MCASP in BBB ? Oct 07 08:24:47 zaew I think no, but I could be wrong Oct 07 08:26:14 woglinde> so, Inorder to use we have to write one driver for MCASP..right? Oct 07 08:28:30 zaew yes, but I would ask my TI Salesperson first Oct 07 08:29:37 ok woglinde.thanks for replying Oct 07 08:32:52 hi Oct 07 08:50:51 can i load BB zimage to BBB? Oct 07 08:51:29 if its a recent one yes Oct 07 08:51:33 one kernel for both Oct 07 08:51:42 DT does the rest Oct 07 08:51:46 all hail DT Oct 07 08:52:17 i have tried 3.2.42 but it gives me error Oct 07 08:52:23 * av500 wonders if boneduino will run DT or a working 2.6.32 Oct 07 08:52:38 nil: I was speaking of the beagle kernel Oct 07 08:52:42 not some random build Oct 07 08:52:49 Error: unrecognized/unsupported device tree compatible list: [ 'ti,am335x-bone' 'ti,am33xx' ] Oct 07 08:53:00 i have build for beagle Oct 07 08:53:09 https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8 Oct 07 08:53:46 actully i have downloaded some patched kernal from QuickLogic For BB but i have BBB. Oct 07 08:54:31 Available machine support: ID (hex) NAME ffffffff Generic OMAP3 (Flattened Device Tree) 0000060a OMAP3 Beagle Board 00000bbc ti8148evm 00000af0 ti8168evm 00000e64 am335xiaevm 00000e05 am335xevm Please check your kernel config and/or bootloader. Oct 07 08:54:57 [10:52] not some random build Oct 07 08:55:12 if you think quicklogic is the thing to use, please ask quicklogic then Oct 07 08:57:26 actully i have also tried with https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8, and build it for omap2_plus_defconfig but it dose not go beyond. booting kernal... Oct 07 08:58:53 why didnt you build the config as stated in the readme? Oct 07 08:59:04 cp ../configs/beaglebone .config Oct 07 08:59:17 or just use the angstrom kernel, as its exactly that Oct 07 08:59:35 actully i want to ubuntu Oct 07 09:00:04 i did not found beaglebone config file at config foldr Oct 07 09:00:12 cp ../configs/beaglebone .config Oct 07 09:01:04 can i replace the compiled kernal with the running usd card with same kernal version? Oct 07 09:01:24 if exactly the same yes Oct 07 09:01:34 otherwise you also need to provide the modules Oct 07 09:01:40 as the module signature will not match Oct 07 09:01:54 I got a bbb to monitor and control all my networks remote and local and push dns changes if my webserver goes down (redirects to it's own lighttpd). It runs off a 12v 36AH battery that stays charged by solar panels even if my power goes out. Oct 07 09:01:56 just providing modules will work with any filesystem Oct 07 09:02:00 also it's called a kernEl Oct 07 09:02:09 this is not a commodore Oct 07 09:02:54 If it senses my power is out it will take over, only the bbb, router, and modem would have power. Oct 07 09:05:15 setting up email alerts now =) Oct 07 09:05:35 This little device saved me hundreds of dollars Oct 07 09:05:43 good Oct 07 09:05:45 we want 10% Oct 07 09:07:44 not until it can go fullscreen 1080 on both my monitors without getting cut off on one of them Oct 07 09:07:46 strange issue Oct 07 09:08:24 one monitor is a tv/monitor and has 1080 works with every other computer. strange stretch/cut effects with bbb Oct 07 09:17:43 hi av500 Oct 07 10:14:58 pls i want to know the exact thickness of the lcd3 cape including the pcb board ,connectors,glass lcd Oct 07 10:19:50 for my design i realy want to know the maximum thickness when i purchase lcd3 cape from mouser from the bottom end to the top end including lcd, pcb and the connectors that can attached to beagle bone black board Oct 07 10:20:04 send me one, then I can measure it for you Oct 07 10:22:40 pls do some one purchase lcd3 cape? Oct 07 10:24:25 pls do some one purchase lcd3 cape? Oct 07 10:24:33 Guest230: please do not reapeat all over. Oct 07 10:24:40 Guest230: contact the manufacturer. Oct 07 10:25:32 pls do you know the manufacture of thic lcd cape Oct 07 10:25:50 Reading The Fucking Datasheet might help too Oct 07 10:25:57 Guest230: no, and i will not google it for you. Oct 07 10:26:26 Guest230: mostly any distributor will list the details including manufacturer directly on the products description page. Oct 07 10:29:39 the height is not listed, but can be guessed Oct 07 10:29:46 PCB thickness is given Oct 07 10:29:48 LCD type is given Oct 07 10:29:57 standard 0.1" pin headers can be googled Oct 07 10:29:57 i ask if any one of the community have one to kow these data < because all the documents i have had from the deep search gives me only the l*w of the board and the thickness of pcb < but i want to know the effective thicknessee components Oct 07 10:30:01 3 values can be added Oct 07 10:30:42 or ask on the mailing list Oct 07 10:32:25 i realy want to know the maximum thickness of lcd3 cape from the bottom end to the top end including lcd, pcb and the connectors that can attached to beagle bone black board Oct 07 10:33:10 do any one can aid me Oct 07 10:33:15 *sigh* Oct 07 10:33:20 Guest230: last time. Oct 07 10:33:34 Guest230: stop repeating yourself. it annoys everybody. Oct 07 10:33:48 sorry Oct 07 10:34:05 PCB thickness is given Oct 07 10:34:06 LCD type is given Oct 07 10:34:09 standard 0.1" pin headers can be googled Oct 07 10:34:11 3 values can be added Oct 07 10:34:13 Guest230: like we said, we do not know, ask the manufacturer. we are a community, and _NOT_ the paid support of the manufacturer. Oct 07 10:34:49 also, pin length does not matter as it plugs into the BBB Oct 07 10:34:57 so you need only the thickness of the "plastic" Oct 07 10:35:05 there's no need to ask the manufacturer, like av500 said it's basic google searches + addition Oct 07 10:35:24 about 3mm Oct 07 10:35:31 so, 3mm + PCB + LCD Oct 07 10:38:51 thanks a lot Oct 07 10:39:15 good noon! Oct 07 11:21:58 jihadho koth Oct 07 11:24:40 jihad you too woglinde! Oct 07 12:00:23 hi, just got my BBB yesterday, nice! Using archlinux as HOST PC, I have the BBB serial console on ttyACM0 but I can't use the Ethernet-over-USB. On the BBB it's ok as I can read the HOST MAC addr on dmesg (it's the same rndis_host on PC dmesg) while on PC I have an interface named enp0s20u1 (usbnet, ftdi_sio, rndis_host, rndis_wlan, cdc_ether modules are loaded). I can assign 192.168.7.4, ether is the rndis_host, it Oct 07 12:00:23 looks fine in arp and route output but no ping, ssh, etc. Oct 07 12:01:00 firewall? Oct 07 12:24:17 ssh: connect to host 192.168.7.2 port 22: No route to host Oct 07 12:26:17 From 192.168.7.4 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable Oct 07 12:33:17 also, I've shut once the system by disconnecting usb, HOST says 'dirty bit set', run fsck on BBB on /dev/mmcblk0p1: to clean it, should I copy the original boot sector to backup or the viceversa? Oct 07 12:43:51 Hi guys, does anyone know if it is possible to trigger a soft shutdown using the power button in beaglebone and angstrom linux? Oct 07 12:46:46 Mik__ should be Oct 07 12:46:55 Mik__ keys are events Oct 07 12:48:37 mornign Oct 07 12:49:09 I have a android ing I want to install to the internal emmc but I dont find the doc on how to Oct 07 12:49:47 is there a good how to that does not mess up the boot partitions Oct 07 12:50:49 woglinde, yeah but I am very lost as the BeagleBone documentation on P9 header, pin number 9, does not tell me which GPIO to use... Oct 07 12:50:55 can I just dd the img with out messing the mmcblk0boot ? Oct 07 12:50:57 so I am not neither sure where to start from Oct 07 12:56:26 has anyone flashed the android img to a emmc Oct 07 12:57:09 Mik__: well, the schematics tells you to which cpu pin the header pin is connected Oct 07 12:57:33 Mik__: from there you get the GPIO number of the cpu, from there you can guess the GPIO number in the kernel Oct 07 12:57:57 Mik__: there is a list of used GPIO numbers at bootup in the kernel log. use that for more accurate guessing Oct 07 12:58:03 rneese: most probably, yes Oct 07 12:58:28 I dont find a emmc flasher version Oct 07 12:58:48 or a howto Oct 07 12:59:47 I am looking threw everything Oct 07 13:02:34 KotH: apologies if it sounds dummy (I'm a real beginner on this), but for other pins the schematics tell me the gpio numbers in the table/columns mode0-..-mode3 Oct 07 13:02:51 KotH: while there is nothing for the power button Oct 07 13:03:07 (except the name signal PWR_BUT). Oct 07 13:03:48 so where in hte code I would enable a key using for example {"gpmc_clk.gpio2_1", OMAP_MUX_MODE7 | AM33XX_PIN_INPUT}, // Enter Oct 07 13:04:27 I can't do anything similar for the power button as I don't have enough info in the schematics (I believe) Oct 07 13:12:14 Mik__: uhmm... err.. yes.. basics... Oct 07 13:12:23 Mik__: sorry, but i currently dont have the time to explain this Oct 07 13:14:58 KotH: no worries, thanks anyway. I'll keep digging Oct 07 13:15:49 i am finding no info on putting the android img on the emmc Oct 07 13:16:03 I have 2 diff images Oct 07 13:16:25 I dont want to damage the loader boo1 boot2 Oct 07 13:16:43 Mik__: ask again in a couple of hours, when someone else is around Oct 07 13:22:41 KotH: thanks, will try Oct 07 13:26:16 Anyone know of a good guide for building and deploying custom Yocto (Poky) builds for the BBB? The guides I've followed don't seem to boot :-\ Oct 07 13:27:14 angstrom is yocto certified Oct 07 13:29:02 Yup yup, but I've got a few custom meta package i want to bake into a build so I guess I could either try and add them to angstrom or build poky for the BBB. Here's what I followed: https://gist.github.com/errordeveloper/4056193 Oct 07 13:30:15 developererror? Oct 07 13:31:00 av500 lookslike Oct 07 13:31:12 an av500 lookalike? Oct 07 13:31:17 sayguh use the angstrom setup-scripts Oct 07 13:31:40 * woglinde fights with framebuffer userspace Oct 07 13:31:50 * LetoThe2nd bets on fb Oct 07 13:34:35 I'm considering switching from RPI to BB Black and I was wondering are there any camera modules that are affordable to hook to the black? Ideally I'd like to use the OV5642 Oct 07 13:35:37 I saw there is the LI-5M03 but that cost 75USD - I'm trying to aim for something under 50USD ideally lower. Oct 07 13:35:52 Tuvok_: there is a camera cape Oct 07 13:35:56 or you go usb cam Oct 07 13:36:02 not much inbetween Oct 07 13:36:44 you could hook up that OV5642 Oct 07 13:36:51 and bitbang it Oct 07 13:37:19 or use GPMC much like the actual camera cape Oct 07 13:38:39 Hmm okay, I unfortunately don't know about bitbanging - but I'll look into that then - on the usb side do the ports have enough power to use a camera without powered usb? I'd try something like logitech c310 to take stills (I'm doing this for a motion detection application) Oct 07 13:39:48 hm Oct 07 13:40:02 bone is maybee to slow for detection Oct 07 13:40:31 depends Oct 07 13:40:58 correlating two images should be doable Oct 07 13:40:59 Well on RPI I was using their camera module and a python script - was okay I think I needed more speed hence I am looking at Black. Oct 07 13:41:20 less python might have helped too Oct 07 13:41:20 hi, I use debian on BBB. How can I improve boot time? Oct 07 13:41:25 Basically take the diff between images - compute the entropy and then determine if their is motion by comparing it to a running average. Oct 07 13:41:27 dont power it off Oct 07 13:41:48 or analyze the boot process, see what is slow and fix it Oct 07 13:42:03 there is boot time instrumentation for linux available Oct 07 13:42:16 Yea - unfortunately their module at best - could only do like 1fps taking stills. Oct 07 13:42:31 at what res? Oct 07 13:42:59 ah, the rpi cam, not the OV Oct 07 13:43:17 I was doing it at like 720p I tried lower ones the issue seemed to be the camera turning on then takes like a 1 second delay to get good exposure, etc. Oct 07 13:43:40 Yea I dont' know how to hook an OV up to it or I'd try that and see what I get but I think the module is based off of that. Oct 07 13:43:59 sckn install systemd Oct 07 13:44:12 but it is experimental on debiabn Oct 07 13:44:33 Okey, I analyze boot proccess. Actualy I want disable sed grep etc because I dont need. Oct 07 13:44:39 av500 hm python wraps opencv and thos do not cost much Oct 07 13:44:54 sckn o.O Oct 07 13:45:13 why o.O:) Oct 07 13:45:23 sckn I wonder which script in init setup sed and grep Oct 07 13:45:33 they maybee use it Oct 07 13:45:45 woglinde question on OCV - so can it be feed two still images for analysis? That was the reason I never tried to go that route cause out of the box for the module OCV isn't that functional with it but if I can give it images I might be able to do something. Oct 07 13:45:54 woglinde: probably we should read that as "i have no clue what happens on booting so i want to disable $RANDOMFOO" Oct 07 13:46:04 install systemd from experimental and run again and the read the docu for systemd analyzing bootprocess Oct 07 13:46:05 Tuvok_: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_3.1MP_Camera Oct 07 13:46:11 3.1 MP or 5.1 does not change much Oct 07 13:46:19 in terms of how to hook it up Oct 07 13:46:40 Okey I trying Oct 07 13:46:46 Tuvok_ hm not sure Oct 07 13:47:16 sckn be sure only installing systemd not other stuff from experimental Oct 07 13:47:26 I am sure openCV can handle two images Oct 07 13:47:50 av500 I never used it yet to compare two images Oct 07 13:47:57 only sub stuff Oct 07 13:48:00 for matching Oct 07 13:49:50 Maybe I can use the ArduCam since it's cheaper http://www.arducam.com/category/user-guide/ Oct 07 13:52:22 thats just the controller Oct 07 13:52:41 a CPLD that talks parallel to the can chip and stores onto an sdcard Oct 07 13:52:46 opencv can handle 2 images , used it to do automatic panorama images and it worked well Oct 07 13:52:48 then SPI to the 'duino Oct 07 13:53:02 so, slow Oct 07 13:54:43 pastjean anywhere I can find this online - at the moment I'm reading through this - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3374828/how-do-i-track-motion-using-opencv-in-python Oct 07 13:57:14 I might be going out of my mind but does fmtcard.sh still work? Oct 07 13:57:17 Tuvok_: ill find you something Oct 07 13:57:20 woglinde : http://oi39.tinypic.com/2q02jd5.jpg please look here. Oct 07 13:57:30 Running Fedora 19 (32-bit) and it doesn't seem to do anything :-/ Oct 07 13:57:35 pastjean thanks Oct 07 14:01:12 Tuvok_: i'm not finding something specific but when i used it almost all the infos were in there http://docs.opencv.org/doc/tutorials/tutorials.html Oct 07 14:02:30 pastjean cool thanks I'll look into that then Oct 07 14:03:37 anyone know how to get android onto the emmc Oct 07 14:04:04 Tuvok_: i don't know if it's gonna be of any use but here i use open cv for a camera https://gist.github.com/pastjean/6868532 when we tested most of the time was not in image analysis by opencv but from camera i/o Oct 07 14:05:14 sckn this is with systemd? Oct 07 14:06:33 pastjean alright I'll look at that to then Oct 07 14:06:53 yes. Oct 07 14:07:03 if you wanna use python its mostly the same classes and methods Oct 07 14:10:41 kk Oct 07 14:16:04 Hmm... I think this has nuked my sdcard Oct 07 14:16:10 Could do with a warning haha Oct 07 14:17:47 I nuked my emmc Oct 07 14:17:53 trying to reload it now Oct 07 14:18:07 I want android on the emmc but finding no howto Oct 07 14:18:30 only how to make a sd Oct 07 14:18:36 not write to the emmc Oct 07 14:18:48 yes Oct 07 14:18:49 and no emmc loader images for it Oct 07 14:18:51 start from sd only Oct 07 14:18:54 muy simpler Oct 07 14:19:05 well I need it on the emmc Oct 07 14:19:32 as I want the sd slot free for a sd and to boot from other sd Oct 07 14:20:44 I thought there was a script to cp the sd to the emmc Oct 07 14:23:01 dd will do that Oct 07 14:23:04 i have a img on sd and it boots Oct 07 14:23:13 make a working 2GB uSD image Oct 07 14:23:14 nope it screwed the pooch Oct 07 14:23:15 and copy it Oct 07 14:23:41 I have a img andI tried dd the .img file Oct 07 14:23:48 boot from sd Oct 07 14:23:53 mkfs to emmc Oct 07 14:24:02 dd this to somwhere Oct 07 14:24:05 loopmount Oct 07 14:24:11 copy your android foo Oct 07 14:24:17 dd it back to emmc Oct 07 14:24:26 thats what I would do Oct 07 14:25:00 well at the min I am trying to get debian back on the emmc and get it to boot from the emmc Oct 07 14:25:25 it seems that dd the img I have screwed the pooch Oct 07 14:25:28 s/android/debian Oct 07 14:25:42 steps are the same Oct 07 14:25:54 I am using the debian emmc loader img right now Oct 07 14:26:00 but its taking forever Oct 07 14:26:06 emmc is slow Oct 07 14:26:12 thats life Oct 07 14:26:15 its no ssd Oct 07 14:27:11 yeah but 40 min Oct 07 14:27:18 should not take that long Oct 07 14:27:40 it says when finished it lights all 4 leds Oct 07 14:27:47 so I am letting it run Oct 07 14:30:40 root@arm:~# mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /mnt [ 1825.872667] EXT4-fs (mmcblk1p2): bad geometry: block count 487974 exceeds size of device (450918 blocks) Oct 07 14:31:54 The filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 487974 blocks The physical size of the device is 450918 blocks Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt! Oct 07 14:32:04 so it screwed the superbloack Oct 07 14:32:13 supercloak Oct 07 14:35:58 grr now its not loading anything to the emmc Oct 07 14:36:31 I just want to now get this into a working order Oct 07 14:36:48 this day sucks Oct 07 14:37:22 to big to fail Oct 07 14:38:32 even the BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.1-2013-08-26 is not restoring the emmc Oct 07 14:41:01 rneese do not trust software Oct 07 14:41:10 and especially do not trust hardware Oct 07 14:42:11 well I did as they say I put the sd in and booted from it Oct 07 14:42:22 its suppost to rebuild the unit Oct 07 14:42:31 but I think the pooch is dead Oct 07 14:42:45 I need to know partitiondefault sizes Oct 07 14:43:08 I need to get the emms load back to working Oct 07 14:44:30 man this is where not having interchangeable emmc chips is a drw back Oct 07 14:44:41 they are called cd cards Oct 07 14:45:17 cd cards ? Oct 07 14:45:25 never heard that term Oct 07 14:45:40 sd cards Oct 07 14:45:40 you mean the emmc loader imgas Oct 07 14:45:44 ok Oct 07 14:45:56 image it was a BBW that only had sd Oct 07 14:46:00 imagine Oct 07 14:48:00 re buring the img to the sd and try to restore this unit Oct 07 14:49:04 but the BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.1-2013-08-26 partitions the emmc and loads it correct Oct 07 14:49:57 so? Oct 07 14:50:09 Hi, can anyone help me with I2C connection on beagleboardxm ? Oct 07 14:51:02 I am interfacing 3.3V sensor with the 5V I2C beagleboardxm. However I am unsuccessful. Oct 07 14:51:14 XM is not 5V Oct 07 14:51:33 XM is 3.3v ? Oct 07 14:51:46 please ignore my ignorance Oct 07 14:52:00 it might be even 1.8V Oct 07 14:52:18 hang on, let me check with datasheet. Oct 07 14:52:23 I have a very simple problem: I can't connect through the usbnet as stated on the newbie-start-here document (I'm using linux, interface is apparently up) Oct 07 14:54:54 ok the emmc is restored to running with debian Oct 07 14:55:09 the emmc loader worked this goround Oct 07 14:55:30 they need a android img that works lik this Oct 07 14:55:40 they? Oct 07 14:55:43 they live! Oct 07 14:55:53 who ever makes the android imgaes Oct 07 14:56:11 I think they self-replicate Oct 07 14:56:18 can I ask.. why do people run Android on BBB Oct 07 14:56:47 why not Oct 07 14:56:48 what does it offer that people want? sorry for the Android noob question :) Oct 07 14:56:50 its popular Oct 07 14:57:18 well some people use the device to develope android apps Oct 07 14:57:27 so they dont have to have a phone Oct 07 14:57:31 well Oct 07 14:57:41 a 2y old phone is likely also $45 Oct 07 14:57:44 and same speed Oct 07 14:57:47 with better gfx Oct 07 14:57:52 and they use it for android tv on older non smart tv's Oct 07 14:57:57 hm use the emulator no phone need at all Oct 07 14:58:12 but then, who are we to judge Oct 07 14:58:35 I am not judging just curious. I understand the dev angle. Oct 07 14:58:51 Not sure I understand the Google TV or whatever it is running at 720p Oct 07 14:59:14 there must be easier and cheaper all in one android tv sticks Oct 07 14:59:20 which also do 1080p Oct 07 14:59:42 let the tv bitcoin minig Oct 07 14:59:52 most tv sticks I have sen cost a little more then the bbb Oct 07 14:59:56 there are cheap android TV sticks Oct 07 15:00:03 yes there are a few low cost ARM based tv devices Oct 07 15:00:23 also, "cost" is overrated Oct 07 15:00:48 bitcoin mining has gone insane with people buying spelaized FPGA based devices Oct 07 15:01:10 I thought they are all doing asic now Oct 07 15:01:15 the geek factor comes into play Oct 07 15:01:37 I would not doubt there are asic solutions now Oct 07 15:01:43 there are Oct 07 15:02:07 there is also the power factor to consider, unless your getting your electricty for free Oct 07 15:02:11 btw, why dont the ASIC makers mine themselves? Oct 07 15:02:52 I think it's sorta like you can make more money selling books on how to win the lottery then actually using the info yourself Oct 07 15:02:55 av500: that's the question I keep asking everyone who comes to me frothing at the mouth ;) Oct 07 15:02:58 av500: why does the fed distribute the dollars it prints ? ^^ Oct 07 15:03:07 not their business Oct 07 15:03:16 das: part of the job description Oct 07 15:03:24 apparently some sellers of the asic boards actually used their customers paid-for boards for mining while they were supposedly "delayed" in manufacturing Oct 07 15:03:41 then again with the long lead times maybe they do and only make delivery after the hardware has lost it's edge Oct 07 15:03:43 Vaizki: simple, because they make more money selling shovels than schoveling :) Oct 07 15:03:58 Vaizki: or that :) Oct 07 15:04:11 or both Oct 07 15:04:18 they called it burn in ;) Oct 07 15:04:20 who wants bitcoins anyways ? the difficulty is ten-fold that of last year, and one guy has 50% of them Oct 07 15:04:22 LOL Oct 07 15:05:08 they build you a shovel and "test it" then use the money from the sale to build a better shovel Oct 07 15:05:08 I need bitcoins to buy drugs ... oh, wait Oct 07 15:05:24 just goto south Philly Oct 07 15:05:39 who'd buy drugs on silkroad when you could actually buy an m4 or an RPG ? Oct 07 15:05:50 no guns on silkroad Oct 07 15:05:53 just murder for hire Oct 07 15:05:55 I'd have much more fun with a full auto machine gun than with LSD Oct 07 15:05:59 if you want guns you had to goto the armory Oct 07 15:06:28 bitcoin asics are there and its a good nice market Oct 07 15:06:31 ther has to be a easier way to get android on the unit Oct 07 15:06:38 easier to just buy them from an FFL here in the states Oct 07 15:06:43 rneese: patches welcome Oct 07 15:06:50 sd card seems a pretty easy way for me Oct 07 15:07:28 I just use the uSD card, and keep the eMMC as a utility and recovery option Oct 07 15:07:57 * N2TOH has to laugh that SD chard have become the modern floppy disk Oct 07 15:08:00 wtf apparently Avalon has sold more than half a million ASICs for BTC mining Oct 07 15:08:07 wtf wtf Oct 07 15:08:12 Vaizki as I said Oct 07 15:08:13 must be nice to be them Oct 07 15:08:15 that's ludicrous :D Oct 07 15:08:32 wtf Oct 07 15:08:35 wtf wtrf Oct 07 15:08:53 seriously you whould be better off using the ASIC to track this http://www.lottomasterformula.com/cbreg/lottomastermegamillions.pdf Oct 07 15:08:53 well I am looking at a new device Oct 07 15:09:11 that lets me swap out the emmc Oct 07 15:09:17 make your own bitcoin currency Oct 07 15:09:19 what happens when the math problems you have to solve for BTC get harder? Oct 07 15:09:21 like the odroid u2 Oct 07 15:09:34 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/bitcoin-mining-make-money,3514-10.html Oct 07 15:09:36 that will allow me to change os's as needed Oct 07 15:09:41 call is FUAu Oct 07 15:09:43 that's actually a nice writeup Oct 07 15:09:43 Does anyone know if the camera accessory board comes with the CMOS sensor ittself? Oct 07 15:10:07 N2TOH: they do get harder all the time. 10x harder now than a year ago I guess. Oct 07 15:10:42 has anybody ever asked themselves it bitcoin is just a farse and the guy who created it as pissing themselves over the joke Oct 07 15:10:46 razeksk: yes Oct 07 15:11:06