**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 03 02:59:58 2013 Nov 03 03:27:10 what exactly is a beagle board Nov 03 03:27:35 as in compare to arduino Nov 03 03:30:05 hello are you there Nov 03 03:31:04 um................... Nov 03 03:31:22 Hello arduino, what do you need? (I am not an expert on beagleboard stuff though) Nov 03 03:32:15 so what exactly is begle board and arduino working on this board called the arduino tre Nov 03 03:32:52 lately iv heard a lot of buzz lately Nov 03 03:34:41 I have no clue sorry, had to google arduino tre myself Nov 03 03:36:22 i read they were working together to make the tre and i was wondering what you knew Nov 03 03:36:51 I am actually here for some uEnv.txt advice, I am trying to use an SD card for additional storage but when I insert the card four LED come on and the system doesn't boot. Nov 03 03:37:23 oooh ok Nov 03 03:37:49 What kinda of uEnv.txt commands do I need to make the system boot the eMMC flash regardless of rather or not I have SD card in? Nov 03 03:39:02 oook sorry im not an expert i am an 13 year old kid trying to find out what a beagle board is and i thaught you were an expert Nov 03 03:39:18 awkward Nov 03 03:39:50 There is blog here, you might want to read about the tre - http://blog.arduino.cc/2013/10/03/a-sneak-preview-of-arduino-tre Nov 03 03:40:24 ok thank you ill look at it real fast Nov 03 03:41:40 ok Nov 03 03:41:52 i have a question Nov 03 03:42:07 go ahead I guess....... Nov 03 03:42:17 have you ever used an arduino board Nov 03 03:43:34 hello Nov 03 03:43:39 I have not, I have only ever used a Raspberry Pi and Beaglebone Black Nov 03 03:43:51 Sorry in multiple chat rooms Nov 03 03:45:54 im planning on getting the beglebone black to try it out if not ill get the tre because i build quad copters all the time and rc cars and i was looking for a more advanced system to run the gps servos camers etc Nov 03 03:46:37 I am kinda new to Linux and embedded sysems myself Nov 03 03:47:23 I need to build some stuff with servo motors....... Got a few projects planned Nov 03 03:47:33 cool!! Nov 03 03:48:40 arduino is one of my favorite open source platform bases i just learned the code in like 2 weeks Nov 03 03:51:23 say do you have an email that i can send you messages so we can talk and discuss the platforms some other time because ive got to get off in like 5 mins Nov 03 03:52:57 im gonna guess thats a no Nov 03 03:53:24 Hm....... No...... I am really just here for an uEnv.txt command to make the beaglebone black boot off of eMMC regardless of rather or not I have an SD card installed. Nov 03 03:54:38 ok i uderstand like i say i am plaining to get a beagle in the next week or 2 ok i guess i will talk to you some other time in life Nov 03 03:55:18 bye bye Nov 03 03:55:25 10 Nov 03 03:55:26 9 Nov 03 03:55:27 8 Nov 03 03:55:29 7 Nov 03 03:55:30 6 Nov 03 03:55:31 5 Nov 03 03:55:33 4 Nov 03 03:55:34 3 Nov 03 03:55:35 2 Nov 03 03:55:36 1 Nov 03 03:55:37 0 Nov 03 05:00:39 I'm having the darndest time trying to get my edimax wifi working on the bbb. I have the latest distro of angstrom and it appears to be already loading the drivers. So far it looks like setting up wpa_supplicant is the hold up. Anyone here have wireless working on their BBB? Nov 03 09:20:13 Hey guys I have a quick question about which Linux distribution I should use on my host machine Nov 03 09:20:23 for developing on the BBB. Nov 03 09:26:43 on or for? Nov 03 09:27:01 ubuntu is okay and gentoo and redhat Nov 03 09:32:55 Well the beagle bone black has the Angstrom distro already on it, I am currently running a VMWare with Ubuntu 12.04 Nov 03 09:33:09 on my Windows 7 machine 32 bit, and it is kind of laggy Nov 03 09:33:14 hello Nov 03 09:33:49 I also hear that Ubuntu 12.04 is not the greatest for development since it uses the Unity desktop Nov 03 09:34:40 have question about loadind Device tree overlay during system boot on BBB Nov 03 09:35:07 i created my own Device tree overlay and when i load it manualy Nov 03 09:35:11 works perfect Nov 03 09:35:31 but i cant manage to load it automatycly when device i booting Nov 03 09:35:50 i editet uEnv.txt Nov 03 09:36:36 and add line capemgr.enable_partno=PAWEL-UART1 Nov 03 09:36:37 Edgar I run Ubuntu on my BBB, no desktop, it works just fine. On both my desktop and laptop I run Ubuntu 12.04 (Unity) and it works just fine when developing. Though haven't tried unity on BBB. Nov 03 09:36:50 but no luck Nov 03 09:36:53 any hints ? Nov 03 09:37:35 Though currently thinking about moving to something more simple like Xubuntu Nov 03 09:45:52 christoffer do you have ubuntu 12.04 running on a virtual machine or as a second operating system on your machine? Nov 03 09:56:48 Edgar both ...main OS as well as several guests Nov 03 09:58:36 Edgar choose some other window manager Nov 03 09:58:55 Edgar and you can open a shell an whatever window manager you are using Nov 03 09:59:04 and shell is mostly enough to develop something Nov 03 10:04:19 woglinde I got the impression that Edgar really wants a window manager for some GUI tool while developing...but you're right I go with vim as much as possible. Nov 03 10:06:50 somebody can help with Device tree overlay Nov 03 10:06:55 to start in booting Nov 03 10:06:56 ? Nov 03 10:07:22 radziu sorry, haven't used that at all. What is the Device tree overlay? Nov 03 10:07:42 that is way to mx your pins in BBB Nov 03 10:09:29 for example to enable uarts Nov 03 10:09:53 radziu have you check out the adafruit tutorial on device tree overlay? Nov 03 10:10:12 I'm still in my embedded systems class, so this is new ground for me as well Nov 03 10:10:21 i reade a lot of tutorials Nov 03 10:10:28 let me chc ous that one Nov 03 10:10:55 http://learn.adafruit.com/introduction-to-the-beaglebone-black-device-tree/overview Nov 03 10:11:14 yes Nov 03 10:11:15 have you read this one? Adafruit generally has great tutorials Nov 03 10:11:24 ithere is information Nov 03 10:11:44 mkdir /mnt/boot mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/boot nano /mnt/boot/uEnv.txt #add this to the end of the single line of uEnv.txt: capemgr.enable_partno=BB-UART1 Nov 03 10:11:50 so i did that Nov 03 10:12:13 im uEnc.txt look Nov 03 10:12:34 optargs=quiet drm.debug=7 capemgr.enable_partno=BB-UART1 Nov 03 10:12:41 2 lines ofcourse Nov 03 10:12:54 and overlay is not starting at boot Nov 03 10:18:07 somebody is using that ? Nov 03 10:22:12 mayby another way Nov 03 10:22:25 any body know where is boot log ? Nov 03 10:56:57 HI ! Nov 03 10:57:00 I build "console-image" with OpenEmbedded for BBB, but where is the kernel image in the tmp directory output ? Nov 03 11:05:51 I guess is "'deploy/images/beagleboard/" Nov 03 11:19:43 #mongodb Nov 03 11:24:58 x Nov 03 13:11:00 harro Nov 03 13:43:38 hey anyone here ? Nov 03 13:44:40 hallo ? Nov 03 14:11:31 How hard is it to run a project based on xm to get it going on bbb Nov 03 14:16:19 harder than waiting for 60s Nov 03 14:20:31 waiting for the 60s is pretty hard Nov 03 14:46:20 i'm having problems with bbb & MB, BBB doesn't mount, have tried several images Nov 03 14:57:43 Jochem_: connect a serial cable Nov 03 15:13:06 moo Nov 03 15:23:23 anyone have USB host problem with the debian image with kernel v3.8 ? Nov 03 15:35:02 Hello, I am trying to use an SD card for additional storage but when I turn the beaglebone black on with an SD card present, all four LEDs light up and the eMMC memory doesn’t boot. I read off the internet that I need to play with the uEnv.txt file to force the beaglebone black to boot off eMMC with an SD card present but adding “mmcroot=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ro” to uEnv.txt doesn’t solve my problem. What command do you add to uEnv.txt Nov 03 15:35:02 to force the beaglebone black to boot off eMMC regardless of it a SD is present? Nov 03 15:35:32 *SD Card is present? Nov 03 15:40:54 dcj123: I think this was discussed on google groups. you need to modify uenv Nov 03 15:41:46 I realize that but I am trying to figure out what to add to make it boot off the eMMC, "mmcroot=/dev/mmcblk1p2 ro" is not working Nov 03 15:42:26 and I just tried to create a uEnv.txt file on the SD card its self Nov 03 15:42:45 with "mmcroot=/dev/mmcblk1p2 ro" Nov 03 15:43:48 What format does the SD card have to be? I am using fat32, should I be using a Linux filesystem? or does that matter? Nov 03 15:46:35 anyone running a debian on Beagle Bone Black ? I'm having problem with the USB host (using the image from armhf.com, and wrote it on the eMCC) Nov 03 15:46:45 maybe there is different image out there Nov 03 15:51:23 I ran Debian off armhf.com very briefly but when into the same problem you did, let me check and see if there is another image for you, I don't think there is. Nov 03 15:51:39 *ran into the same problem Nov 03 15:55:11 dcj123, and now what do you run ? Nov 03 15:55:59 Angstrom Linux Nov 03 15:56:16 angstrom is the best supported distro on the bones Nov 03 15:56:42 ok good Nov 03 15:57:32 thank you for you hints Nov 03 15:58:01 acidfoo - I found this, but its seems to use the images from armhf.com - http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Recommended_Beagle_Software Nov 03 15:58:18 I'll play with angstrom then ;) Nov 03 15:58:29 it's not a big deal, I just started to play with the bone, and I was poking around Nov 03 15:58:43 since I already know debian, that was my first move Nov 03 15:59:05 Ok Nov 03 16:13:35 Hey. Nov 03 16:19:52 * KotH drops ZiNC into a pool of HCl Nov 03 16:20:19 oh! pretty bubbles! Nov 03 16:27:57 * emeb_mac melts down ZiNC to make cheap trinkets and plumbing accessories. Nov 03 16:30:13 Hurray! Nov 03 16:45:49 Is it possible to compile the angstrom kernel on the beaglebone black itself or do I need to do that on another host machine? Nov 03 16:46:02 I am following this on the BBB - http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Nov 03 16:46:21 But am erroring out at ImportError: No module named pysqlite2 Nov 03 16:48:33 See my compile attempt here - http://pastebin.com/xMmRVtt9 Nov 03 16:56:56 Hello every one Nov 03 16:58:27 I just got my new BeagleBone and starting to play around, it is much different than arduino .. I am trying to connect Beaglebone black to adafruit cc3000 wifi breakout Nov 03 16:59:14 ... but obviusly .. I need to learn more about the board .. could any one .. help me here or point me to somewhere to start from? Nov 03 17:12:37 any one around? Nov 03 17:44:21 <_av500_> we all float down here Nov 03 18:37:24 float Nov 03 19:12:30 anyone have a line on digital audio output from a BBBk? i know theres an "audio cape" but thats stereo in/out. i just need digital "spdif" output to send to a surround hifi. Nov 03 19:13:40 i was thinking of figureing out a bit bang solution, but if anyone knows of a more proper solution that doesnt involve me buying a usb soundcard id love to hear it. Nov 03 19:14:27 last ditch effort is going to be talking to an engeneer friend of mine and get a TI codec chip mated with the BBB. but thats a step before bit banging. Nov 03 19:16:16 isn't the HDMI audio thing already SPDIF of some sort? Nov 03 19:18:26 flufmnstr: yeah, just get an hdmi adapter that splits audio out Nov 03 19:18:41 that sould give you your s/pdif Nov 03 19:21:36 <_av500_> dm8tbr: no Nov 03 19:24:59 i was hoping to avoid that too. im aiming for something out of the pin connects. but splicing a HDMI cable doesnt scare me, if thats the only way, i have a few dead ones laying around.... Nov 03 19:26:14 hdmi audio is mixed with video Nov 03 19:26:19 you need active splitting device Nov 03 19:26:32 usb sound card will be the most cost effective option Nov 03 19:26:58 <_av500_> or some CS part on a protocape Nov 03 19:27:06 <_av500_> I2S in, SPDIF out Nov 03 19:28:05 pretty expensive compared to usb sound card Nov 03 19:28:19 <_av500_> but much more fun Nov 03 19:28:36 fun? Nov 03 19:28:39 you want fun? Nov 03 19:28:50 £10 for usb sound card Nov 03 19:28:53 oh my, i thought #beagle was about serious things. Nov 03 19:29:02 having fun is serious Nov 03 19:29:03 I've made a audio card clone Nov 03 19:29:17 with the same IC that they used on it. Nov 03 19:29:25 its a pretty clever little chip Nov 03 19:29:53 <_av500_> THEY Nov 03 19:29:59 <_av500_> THEY know! Nov 03 19:34:32 honestly id love to mate one of the TI codecs(i forget the part number) to the BBBs MCASP and have multiple digital outs, but thats a little above my coding level at the moment. though it would be a fun learning experience. Nov 03 19:35:05 <_av500_> go for it Nov 03 19:35:11 i have a year to get it working, maybe i should just order a chip and start playing Nov 03 19:37:12 can the MCASP properly output off the board or is it just easier to pass it through an off board chip? Nov 03 19:38:37 <_av500_> ? Nov 03 19:38:56 i hate to appear spammy, if anyone is interested on running the XNU kernel on ARM platforms (including beaglexm and such), feel free to join ##darwin-on-arm Nov 03 19:39:14 (the xnu kernel forms the foundation of the iPhone OS/Mac OS X operating systems) Nov 03 19:43:17 im wondering if im over thinking this and can get the MCAPS to output what i need. i saw a forum post of someone who did it but they needed an off board ocilator to drive the right frequency. unfortunatly google is rather vaigue on the subject of MCASPs Nov 03 19:43:28 and they didnt post scematics Nov 03 19:43:49 <_av500_> ah Nov 03 19:43:55 *and some sort of level converter Nov 03 19:44:03 <_av500_> reminds me of something Nov 03 19:44:49 <_av500_> spdif out on some product Nov 03 19:45:01 <_av500_> where we did the encoding ourselves and output via I2S Nov 03 19:45:06 <_av500_> I just forgot what it was Nov 03 19:45:23 <_av500_> maybe gen6 Nov 03 19:45:32 <_av500_> dm8tbr: did gen6 have spdfi? Nov 03 19:46:54 i was looking at i2s a while ago, but didnt turn up anything usable from what i found. but thats not to say its not out there, just i did find it. heh Nov 03 19:47:03 ugh, don't remember Nov 03 19:47:22 I think they all had something on the large dock Nov 03 19:47:38 but I never owned a dock (aside from the PMA430 where it was included) Nov 03 19:53:44 <_av500_> dm8tbr: yes, gen6 had it imsure Nov 03 19:54:11 <_av500_> and I know we have code to modulate the signal to be spdfi Nov 03 19:54:21 <_av500_> even AC3 in spdif pas thorugh Nov 03 20:05:18 does the beaglebone black use uefi? Nov 03 20:07:20 <_av500_> no Nov 03 20:07:23 <_av500_> sadly not Nov 03 20:07:54 :( isit on the product roadmap? Nov 03 20:08:20 <_av500_> I dont know Nov 03 20:08:57 <_av500_> BTCTrader: why would you need it? Nov 03 20:09:24 i want to boot without a bootloader http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/EFI_stub_kernel Nov 03 20:09:49 <_av500_> then I have bad news Nov 03 20:09:54 <_av500_> UEFI is a bootloader Nov 03 20:10:14 sorry, i meant without grub :P Nov 03 20:10:27 aiming for trusted boot security Nov 03 20:10:33 <_av500_> more bad mews, there is no grub Nov 03 20:10:36 <_av500_> news* Nov 03 20:10:55 next you're going to tell me there's no easter bunny :P Nov 03 20:11:01 <_av500_> bingo Nov 03 20:11:06 zing! Nov 03 20:11:20 <_av500_> undecided on Santa Nov 03 20:11:26 lol Nov 03 20:18:03 <_av500_> so, what role does uefi play here? Nov 03 20:20:52 <_av500_> also: http://e2e.ti.com/support/arm/sitara_arm/f/791/t/144311.aspx Nov 03 20:24:10 for trusted boot you need to pay ti Nov 03 20:24:21 <_av500_> trust comes with a price Nov 03 20:24:27 thats it Nov 03 20:25:10 hm looks loke idlib is like android each games modifies it for its own Nov 03 20:26:00 <_av500_> wtf is idlib? Nov 03 20:26:47 you know the famous game company id? Nov 03 20:26:54 inventor of doom? Nov 03 20:27:01 <_av500_> maybe Nov 03 20:27:08 <_av500_> I make my own doom Nov 03 20:27:28 1st person shooter in your house? Nov 03 20:30:42 > ugh, don't remember Nov 03 20:30:53 Hello, I am trying to recompile the angstrom Linux kerenl on Ubuntu inside virtualbox following these instructions - http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Nov 03 20:31:06 oops... I right clicked my client and it spit out my last copied item. Nov 03 20:31:12 But am getting this error - http://pastebin.com/w3Dd6r5e Nov 03 20:32:01 dcj123: This channel is not for general Angstrom questions. It's about Beagleboard Nov 03 20:32:37 fair enough, I am recompiling for the Beaglebone black though Nov 03 20:33:06 elfutils is not kernel Nov 03 20:33:47 <_av500_> woglinde_: c'mon Nov 03 20:33:56 <_av500_> its needed for the kernel build Nov 03 20:34:51 <_av500_> dcj123: try to see the real error message Nov 03 20:35:47 Um okay, how might I go about doing that? Nov 03 20:36:12 <_av500_> you sure it does not spit out the error somewhere ? Nov 03 20:36:31 <_av500_> during the build? Nov 03 20:36:48 Let me check...... Nov 03 20:37:29 explore build/tmp-angstrom_.... -eglibc/work/x86_64-linux/elfutils-native/0.148-r0/temp/log.do_compile Nov 03 20:37:36 when you are on 32bit Nov 03 20:37:45 change x86_64-linux to the right one Nov 03 20:37:58 but I wonder Nov 03 20:38:05 I never saw elfutils failing Nov 03 20:39:14 Whole error - http://pastebin.com/mC2JRewt Nov 03 20:41:06 hm strict gcc Nov 03 20:41:24 whats your ubuntu version? Nov 03 20:41:57 Ubuntu 13.10 Nov 03 20:42:20 Running in a virtualbox with a Windows 7 host Nov 03 20:45:37 I read here that it might be ./ in my PATH but I have no clue how to change that - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/vgmnxqHVnsI Nov 03 20:45:50 I am new-ish to Linux Nov 03 20:46:41 dcj123 no Nov 03 20:46:48 newer gcc have stricter rules Nov 03 20:46:58 and the elfutils version is a bit older Nov 03 20:47:07 oh Nov 03 20:47:10 okay Nov 03 20:47:13 so the level changed from warning to error Nov 03 20:47:30 would using an older version of Ubuntu fix this problem Nov 03 20:47:37 yes Nov 03 20:47:43 try lts Nov 03 20:47:45 12.04 Nov 03 20:47:58 I think would be easier for you Nov 03 20:48:05 Wonderful, I was about to ask if thats ok Nov 03 20:48:14 until you want to try to understand it in full Nov 03 20:48:24 which will cost you weeks or months Nov 03 20:48:33 but might be good anyway Nov 03 20:49:26 Okay, what I want in the end is a kernel with nat support in iptables Nov 03 20:49:41 So I can internet share on the beaglebone black Nov 03 20:51:31 o.O Nov 03 20:51:43 what distro are you using on the bbb? Nov 03 20:52:01 Angstrom Linux Nov 03 20:52:10 opkg update Nov 03 20:52:20 opkg list | grep kmod | grep nat Nov 03 20:52:56 okay Nov 03 20:53:27 than opkg install the packages you found with the command above Nov 03 20:54:12 I don't believe there is a package with a nat module on kernel 3.8 only 3.4 but I could be wrong Nov 03 20:54:39 I was trying to find a link that basically says that but it might be out dated Nov 03 20:54:48 I'll try it Nov 03 20:54:58 check the kernel config Nov 03 20:55:04 /proc/config.gz Nov 03 20:55:14 ok one min Nov 03 20:55:52 hm....... Nov 03 20:56:33 cat /proc/config.gz just dumped a bunch of letters and numbers in my terminal Nov 03 20:56:39 zcat Nov 03 20:57:06 .gz says its compress with gzip program Nov 03 20:57:15 ok Nov 03 20:57:27 One minute and I'll paste bin it Nov 03 21:03:08 http://pastebin.com/LbyAwiHJ Nov 03 21:03:11 finally Nov 03 21:03:15 sorry for delay Nov 03 21:03:25 had some beaglebone black issues Nov 03 21:08:58 woglinde_ - does the /proc/config.gz tell you rather or not I can use the opkg update / opkg list | grep kmod | grep nat method Nov 03 21:15:28 I'll brb, I have to lose internet to give my beaglebone black internet. I'll come back and say rather or not the opkg update worked. Nov 03 21:17:58 poor guide can not configure usbnet Nov 03 21:18:02 ups guy Nov 03 21:37:15 woglinde_ - back, opkg update / opkg list | grep kmod | grep nat displayed nothing and I tried just nat too, there are no nat kernel modules for kernel 3.8 Nov 03 21:38:07 iptables displays "iptables v1.4.15: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist" Nov 03 21:38:34 Do I need to recompile the kernel or build nat kernel modules? Nov 03 21:38:53 dcj123 check again the /proc/config.gz first Nov 03 21:39:23 its right here - http://pastebin.com/LbyAwiHJ Nov 03 21:39:30 What am I looking for? Nov 03 21:39:44 it should have CONFIG_NF_NAT= Nov 03 21:40:30 It doesn't......... Nov 03 21:40:41 Does that mean I have to recompile? Nov 03 21:40:53 Which I fine, I can do that Ubuntu LTS Nov 03 21:40:59 *which is fine Nov 03 21:42:14 okay yes looks like you have to recompile Nov 03 21:43:22 okay, I'll try that on Ubuntu LTS and report back later Nov 03 21:50:58 but I am maybe will no be here than Nov 03 21:52:52 Thats fine Nov 03 21:53:45 I'll explain what I am trying to do to the next person until I get it working lol Nov 03 22:05:57 I get my BBB and other accessories tomorrow! Yipeeeeee! Nov 03 22:14:28 This doesn't excite anyone!? Nov 03 22:15:40 no Nov 03 22:17:20 Awe that's sad. Nov 03 22:27:17 no, just life Nov 03 22:30:14 woglinde_: Boy you're a bitter person. Don't spread that bitterness around. Keep it to yourself. Nov 03 22:31:55 hm no I get excited when I get thedarkmod compiled and running for 64bit Nov 03 22:33:00 ah bbb has everyoen Nov 03 23:07:25 You can get free amazon items and cash or even withdraw it to a banking account when u signup to this site points2shop.com/register?ref***Mik77712 Nov 03 23:08:16 how do I know, Angstrom (booted from the u-SD) is now fully copied to the eMCC ? Nov 03 23:08:27 I booted the flasher image Nov 03 23:08:41 the leds have been flashing for the last 20min Nov 03 23:43:34 beaglebone_black + wifi_usb_module (+ WPA2 password) and sending IMAP email via gmail relay is no problem, yes? (thankee!) Nov 04 00:38:07 trampel: If you're asking that it can be done, the answer is yes. Nov 04 00:38:34 eggzeck: that's a good as i hoped. thank you. Nov 04 00:40:05 i'm trying to get a simple switch flip notified via SMS and i'm running the arduino to beagleboard to raspberry-pi spectrum of possible solutions **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 04 02:59:58 2013