**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 04 02:59:58 2013
Nov 04 03:18:08 <tubededentifrice> Hi guys
Nov 04 03:18:30 <tubededentifrice> anybody knows if there is a 16x2 lcd kit available somewhere?
Nov 04 03:18:35 <tubededentifrice> for the bbb
Nov 04 03:19:19 <tubededentifrice> like http://www.adafruit.com/products/1115 for the rpi
Nov 04 03:21:48 <tubededentifrice> hi
Nov 04 03:21:59 <dlg> tubededentifrice: does it have to be a cape?
Nov 04 03:22:52 <tubededentifrice> nope
Nov 04 03:23:05 <dlg> http://www.matrixorbital.com/External-LCDs-Serial-Character-ELK/c53_54/index.html
Nov 04 03:23:09 <dlg> something like that maybe?
Nov 04 03:23:41 <tubededentifrice> I need a kit because I won't do the circuit myself ^^
Nov 04 03:23:52 <tubededentifrice> and $92 is way too pricey
Nov 04 03:24:12 <tubededentifrice> maybe http://www.adafruit.com/products/1115 is compatible with the bbb?
Nov 04 03:24:20 <tubededentifrice> it's i2c/spi
Nov 04 04:16:56 <ansari> hi, i m having rndis driver problem in xp
Nov 04 04:18:13 <_av500_> as in?
Nov 04 05:24:00 <BeagleMon> Hello all, i need some help with my BBB, anyone is available for the discussion?
Nov 04 05:24:49 <vagrantc> ask your question, patiently wait for a response...
Nov 04 05:25:08 <torque> I suppose it depends on what you need help with too
Nov 04 05:25:52 <BeagleMon> i am having problem with BBB as not to have USR0 and USR1 blinking, while plugged in through USB, device was not found as well
Nov 04 05:26:15 <BeagleMon> i have tried booting it through microSD card but its not responding...
Nov 04 05:29:22 <vagrantc> this sounds vaguely like when the u-boot partition got corrupted on mine...
Nov 04 05:29:53 <vagrantc> BeagleMon: when you boot from the microsd, are you holding the button near the microsd slot?
Nov 04 05:30:11 <BeagleMon> yes
Nov 04 05:30:28 <vagrantc> you have a serial console?
Nov 04 05:30:47 <BeagleMon> can i know what does serial console means?
Nov 04 05:31:21 <BeagleMon> sorry i am new, thank you for your assistance.
Nov 04 05:33:59 <vagrantc> it's a way to see what's happening ealry in the boot process...
Nov 04 05:34:16 <vagrantc> plugging in a cable to the serial ort
Nov 04 05:34:22 <vagrantc> serial port
Nov 04 05:35:09 <BeagleMon> you mean the USB cable?
Nov 04 05:35:26 <BeagleMon> i only have that at the moment
Nov 04 05:36:26 <BeagleMon> what happen is the 4 USR LED flashing
Nov 04 05:36:57 <BeagleMon> after that it comes to USR3 and USR2 LED staying solid with the other 2 LEDs not flashing
Nov 04 05:39:28 <BeagleMon> this happens to be the same even during booting process
Nov 04 05:39:30 <vagrantc> ndex.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Serial_Debug_Cables
Nov 04 05:39:45 <vagrantc> meh.
Nov 04 05:40:10 <vagrantc> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Serial_Debug_Cables
Nov 04 05:41:34 <BeagleMon> oh, i dont have that
Nov 04 05:42:28 <BeagleMon> i am just using the same cable sent together on shipping with the board
Nov 04 05:45:37 <vagrantc> sure, not sure if that's enabled early enough in the boot process
Nov 04 05:45:47 <vagrantc> the usb cable
Nov 04 05:46:39 <BeagleMon> initially i am having trouble with cloud9 IDE not able to show any output
Nov 04 05:47:02 <vagrantc> BeagleMon: good luck, gotta go
Nov 04 05:47:22 <BeagleMon> ok thanks anyway
Nov 04 05:47:56 <BeagleMon> is there any one able to help me here? i am at my wit's end...
Nov 04 05:49:12 <BeagleMon> really need help and much appreciate
Nov 04 05:52:10 <BeagleMon> my BBB is not responding, seeking for help
Nov 04 05:52:50 <Biodragon> you need a serial cable to see what it's doing
Nov 04 05:54:10 <Biodragon> also try removing the SD card and then booting
Nov 04 05:55:07 <BeagleMon> yes i have tried that, but i am not able to access my board at the moment, can i still check with the serial cable?
Nov 04 05:56:20 <Biodragon> yes, with that you can follow the boot process
Nov 04 05:57:10 <s5fs> BeagleMon: i just picked up another serial cable on ebay for like $5, they also work on raspberry pi so it's just good to have in general
Nov 04 05:57:32 <s5fs> BeagleMon: without the serial cable, you can't watch the thing boot, so if the os borks in some way it just blinks and you can't really tell why
Nov 04 05:57:42 <BeagleMon> that means i hav eto power the board using power adapter?
Nov 04 05:58:01 <s5fs> no, i use usb for power and the serial cable for the telnet connection
Nov 04 05:58:04 <Biodragon> no you can still power it with the usb
Nov 04 05:58:06 <s5fs> i can take a pic if you're interested
Nov 04 05:58:29 <Biodragon> the serial cable plugs in to 6 pins on the board
Nov 04 05:58:47 <BeagleMon> <Biodragon> and <s5fs> really gladfull for your time spent on my problem
Nov 04 05:59:07 <s5fs> BeagleMon: happy to help :)
Nov 04 06:00:18 <s5fs> BeagleMon: here's the cable i purchases recently http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008AGDTA4/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Nov 04 06:01:35 <BeagleMon> alright i will get the cable in another lab, but i have found a website mentioning that it could be caused by setting bit 22 from register 0x49056034 to 1.
Nov 04 06:02:02 <BeagleMon> however i did not do anything in the hardware,https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/oSEd5hpK_Z4
Nov 04 06:03:03 <BeagleMon> what i did was trying to see whether cloud9 IDEs upport C++ language by typing #include <iostream> and working on the simple USR LED blinking example
Nov 04 06:03:26 <BeagleMon> and next the whole thing gone haywired....
Nov 04 06:05:12 <BeagleMon> <s5fs>, so i just have to pug in the pins on the board? but <Biodragon> mentioned 6 pins and what you shown is 4 pins?
Nov 04 06:06:13 <Biodragon> the link that vagrantc pasted is the easiest http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Serial_Debug_Cables
Nov 04 06:06:17 <Biodragon> i dont think you need all 6 pins
Nov 04 06:07:04 <Biodragon> with the lose 4 pin cable, you gotta figure out which color goes where
Nov 04 06:07:16 <Biodragon> with the 6 pin one, you just plug it in
Nov 04 06:08:11 <BeagleMon> oh ok, so after i plugged it in some interface will appear and tell me the actual happening or i have to analyse from binary event?
Nov 04 06:11:09 <Biodragon> have you ever booted linux ?
Nov 04 06:11:21 <Biodragon> its similar to the bootup screen
Nov 04 06:11:26 <Biodragon> it'll tell you what its doing
Nov 04 06:11:33 <BeagleMon> no, ok
Nov 04 06:11:36 <BeagleMon> hmm
Nov 04 06:12:38 <BeagleMon> i will get the cable now, hopefully can get it on time
Nov 04 06:13:05 <BeagleMon> thank you <Biodragon> will chat if you are still available later
Nov 04 06:13:22 <BeagleMon> logging out
Nov 04 06:27:54 <s5fs> BeagleGithub: when you connect the serial cable, you only connect three of the wires to the beaglebone
Nov 04 09:38:51 <jjc> Hello, if I want to write a custom image to the eMMC from a uSD card (not the standard flasher images) how would I go about doing this?
Nov 04 09:39:36 <jjc> on a BBB Rev. A5C
Nov 04 09:41:13 <keesj> perhaps boot the os from the SD-card and use dd?
Nov 04 09:44:11 <jjc> keesj: okay, just wanting to make sure that dd will do what i want cheers
Nov 04 09:48:22 <Quinto> hi.. how transfer file from my pc to Beagle Board Black?
Nov 04 09:48:34 <Quinto> with ethernet and ssh session?
Nov 04 09:49:02 <keesj> Quinto: what os does your host run on?
Nov 04 09:49:27 <Quinto> on my pc?
Nov 04 09:49:36 <keesj> yes
Nov 04 09:49:42 <Quinto> i have windows or Linux with VMWARE
Nov 04 09:49:59 <keesj> normally scp is the answer but if you are running windows you might want to use some frontend
Nov 04 09:50:12 <Quinto> on my old board (imx53 of freescale) i had a openssh session on Eclipse
Nov 04 09:50:31 <keesj> yes that will also work
Nov 04 09:50:47 <Quinto> and how install open ssh driver on my board?
Nov 04 09:51:17 <Quinto> keesj: you how to transfer files?
Nov 04 09:51:23 <keesj> it depends on the board and os . on bbb I think it's already there
Nov 04 09:51:42 <Quinto> ok
Nov 04 09:52:29 <keesj> I boot my kernel over tftp, use ftp to transfer files or edit and compile then on the target
Nov 04 09:52:45 <Quinto> i still dont have board.. it must arrive to me
Nov 04 09:52:57 <keesj> I use the serial
Nov 04 09:53:08 <Quinto> serial?
Nov 04 09:53:13 <Quinto> and the console?
Nov 04 09:53:32 <keesj> depending on the work you do having a serial is very handy.
Nov 04 09:53:34 <Quinto> i need a simple linux
Nov 04 09:53:40 <Quinto> with no X11
Nov 04 09:54:13 <Quinto> i need a consol for control board from my pc
Nov 04 09:54:18 <Quinto> with hyperterminal for example
Nov 04 09:54:52 <Quinto> how i can do?
Nov 04 09:55:41 <keesj> if you ordered a beagle bone black you should also get yourself the usb-serial cable to you can indeed access the board over serial
Nov 04 09:55:51 <Quinto> ahh ok
Nov 04 09:55:52 <Quinto> from usb
Nov 04 09:55:59 <Quinto> there is console?
Nov 04 09:56:08 <keesj> get your board and try reading a little the documentation.
Nov 04 09:56:46 <keesj> did you have a serial contole on the other board you where using?
Nov 04 09:56:47 <Quinto> i dont hae board now
Nov 04 09:56:52 <Quinto> yes
Nov 04 09:56:54 <Quinto> serial
Nov 04 09:56:59 <Quinto> or usb is same
Nov 04 09:57:08 <Quinto> i need control board from console
Nov 04 09:57:17 <Quinto> i dont need X11 and HDMI screen
Nov 04 09:57:20 <Quinto> i need a simple linux
Nov 04 09:57:27 <keesj> yes yes yes yes
Nov 04 09:57:33 <Quinto> ok perfect.. from usb!
Nov 04 09:57:58 <Quinto> ok.. and how to customize your kernel?
Nov 04 09:58:11 <keesj> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories
Nov 04 09:58:16 <Quinto> i had a little software called LTIB
Nov 04 09:58:25 <keesj> to get the usb serial adapter
Nov 04 09:58:27 <Quinto> for to customize, driver, rootfs
Nov 04 09:58:30 <Quinto> and other
Nov 04 09:59:12 <keesj> http://elinux.org/BeagleBone#Kernel for the rest
Nov 04 09:59:28 <keesj> good luck !
Nov 04 10:00:33 <Quinto> ok but there is a file that i must modified? for example for set gpio? in my old board i had a file called imx53_loco.c where here i modified set of GPIO, serial port and other.. after with LTIB cross-compiled for ARM and i obtained the uIMAGE
Nov 04 10:00:42 <Quinto> here how work it?
Nov 04 10:01:13 <keesj> yes, this is the "old way" of doing things.
Nov 04 10:01:35 <Quinto> ah ok
Nov 04 10:01:39 <keesj> there are still /sys interfaces for the GPIO stuff and setting the pins in the correct mode.
Nov 04 10:02:08 <keesj> I am not sure but I think the "modern" thing to do is to is to mess around with the device tree
Nov 04 10:02:09 <Quinto> i had view on datasheed that there are ANalog GPIO... where they are?
Nov 04 10:02:52 <keesj> Quinto: you are asking very very basic questions. first try reading the stuff I pointed to.
Nov 04 10:03:00 <Quinto> there is an ADC?
Nov 04 10:03:02 <av500> BASIC?
Nov 04 10:03:05 <av500> GOTO 10
Nov 04 10:03:13 <av500> Quinto: yes
Nov 04 10:03:16 <av500> read the docs
Nov 04 10:03:28 <Quinto> ah ok a simple information was!
Nov 04 10:03:41 <keesj> http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm
Nov 04 10:03:57 <Quinto> why i dont have never use this mode for to customize kernel
Nov 04 10:04:11 <keesj> Quinto: but it's all not that easy. what programming language are you doing to use?
Nov 04 10:04:19 <Quinto> C++
Nov 04 10:04:25 <av500> forth of course
Nov 04 10:04:44 <Quinto> after i need install the Qt libraries on Beagle Board
Nov 04 10:04:48 <Quinto> is easy?
Nov 04 10:05:41 <keesj> how much time do you have?
Nov 04 10:05:56 <Quinto> what?
Nov 04 10:06:17 <Quinto> i'm 18 years old
Nov 04 10:06:18 <Quinto> :)
Nov 04 10:06:45 <keesj> how much time do you have for your project? what board are you getting? Why QT if you don't want a GUI
Nov 04 10:07:26 <Quinto> keesj: why i use a libray on Qt
Nov 04 10:07:33 <keesj> Quinto: best would be to get this book http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920028116.do
Nov 04 10:08:06 <Quinto> keesj: thanks but now i cant take this book
Nov 04 10:08:18 <keesj> it shows how to get started on the beaglebone (linux) and shows how to do the stuff usnig python and nodejs
Nov 04 10:08:22 <Quinto> i have ship BBB
Nov 04 10:09:09 <Quinto> keesj: i'm reading http://elinux.org/Building_BBB_Kernel
Nov 04 10:09:39 <Quinto> so i can cross-compile my kernel on my pc and transfer it on eMMC ?
Nov 04 10:11:39 <Quinto> keesj: i had seen the narcissus builder
Nov 04 10:11:50 <Quinto> what you think?
Nov 04 10:12:15 <keesj> Quinto imagine yourself in a room with experts on the field of embedded development who are willing to help you. I can ask questions but don't want to ask silly questions, they are all well paid and have other things to do.
Nov 04 10:12:40 <keesj> I think you need to know what you want. kernel dev? narcissus stuff and just do some c++ dev
Nov 04 10:12:49 <keesj> or something else.
Nov 04 10:13:08 <keesj> you can't combine all these things.
Nov 04 10:13:31 <keesj> and any step "depper" you go the more time it will take to get things done
Nov 04 10:13:45 <Quinto> nono, i asked what was the best
Nov 04 10:13:49 <Quinto> method
Nov 04 10:14:19 <keesj> the best is to keep the current kernel do you dev using ssh/scp and your ide
Nov 04 10:14:57 <keesj> but as I don't know what your project or problem is ... I can't really help can I
Nov 04 10:15:59 <Quinto> in my project i need GPIO, 2 Serial port, 1 usb/serial port for console, SSH driver or other for transfer my file to Board, ethernet driver
Nov 04 10:16:21 <keesj> If you have some time before you get the board. read the documentation and perhaps start a "from scratch" build of angstrom
Nov 04 10:16:57 <Quinto> ah ok ok
Nov 04 10:17:07 <keesj> Quinto: how much serials are on the BBB?
Nov 04 10:17:31 <Quinto> i ship also BBB expansion board
Nov 04 10:17:35 <Quinto> for to have serial port
Nov 04 10:17:45 <keesj> cool
Nov 04 10:18:11 <Quinto> keesj: but there are 3000 documents file
Nov 04 10:18:21 <Quinto> i dont undstand which i must read
Nov 04 10:19:06 <keesj> start with the getting started indeed and the system referene manual (those are quite small)
Nov 04 10:19:34 <keesj> after that look at the schematics.
Nov 04 10:20:05 <Quinto> i have already readed this
Nov 04 10:20:19 <Quinto> but it dont explain how to customize kernel
Nov 04 10:20:45 <keesj> That's because it depends on your "distro" you are running
Nov 04 10:21:35 <keesj> if you take the default *e.g. angstrom* try to find the documentation for that part. I don't know the detail of that part (but I did do some open embedded buids before)
Nov 04 10:21:54 <Quinto> help me to choice distro
Nov 04 10:21:57 <Quinto> for me is equivalent
Nov 04 10:22:04 <Quinto> ubuntu or angstrom or others
Nov 04 10:22:12 <c10ud> I'd even say customizing kernel is unneeded but ymmv
Nov 04 10:22:45 <keesj> use angstrom, build android , it also build the kernel
Nov 04 10:23:35 <Quinto> what?
Nov 04 10:23:42 <Quinto> angstrom build android?
Nov 04 10:24:10 <Quinto> keesj: sorry for my stupid question LOL
Nov 04 10:24:37 <keesj> I will stop no. I am trying to help but I am not doing a good job.
Nov 04 10:24:47 <keesj> now
Nov 04 10:24:57 <keesj> I have work do to !
Nov 04 10:25:28 <Quinto> give me something for read
Nov 04 10:25:32 <Quinto> that i study
Nov 04 10:25:32 <Quinto> it
Nov 04 10:27:23 <keesj> what I know it the following I used to do something as described here http://hipstercircuits.com/compile-a-new-kernel-for-beaglebone/ but that's apparently outdated.
Nov 04 10:28:13 <Quinto> keesj: thanks
Nov 04 10:28:37 <keesj> you might try building using http://beagleboard.org/linux but that's going to be harder
Nov 04 10:28:58 <keesj> also there is a github repository somewhere to build the kernel with all the patches
Nov 04 10:29:23 <Quinto> keesj: narcissus is a precompiled version?
Nov 04 10:29:26 <keesj> if you find the answer .. do tell :P
Nov 04 10:30:20 <Quinto> ok
Nov 04 10:35:47 <keesj> this https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel is the script I was talking about
Nov 04 10:36:42 <Quinto> what is this?
Nov 04 10:37:39 <woglinde> getting the source
Nov 04 10:38:02 <woglinde> many people asked how to get the source easily
Nov 04 10:38:13 <Quinto> i must do this git checkout origin/3.12 -b 3.12 on my pc?
Nov 04 10:38:56 <keesj> woglinde: yes but that repo also already has different branches
Nov 04 10:39:09 <keesj> so if you select branch 3.8 the readme changes :P
Nov 04 10:40:09 <woglinde> keesj yes sure
Nov 04 10:43:09 <Quinto> so i run this script on my linux pc?
Nov 04 10:43:31 <keesj> so not very canonical.
Nov 04 10:50:04 <Quinto> keesj: patch.sh: 45: git: not found
Nov 04 10:50:37 <Quinto> ?
Nov 04 10:51:19 <keesj> Quinto: have use used linux before?
Nov 04 10:51:23 <keesj> you
Nov 04 10:51:34 <Quinto> keesj: yes!
Nov 04 10:52:38 <Quinto> which is package for install git?
Nov 04 10:52:42 <Quinto> i dont have
Nov 04 10:52:57 <keesj> please try to figure out this problem yourself
Nov 04 10:53:07 <keesj> please try to figure out this problem yourself
Nov 04 10:53:08 <XorA> s/yes/no/ :-)
Nov 04 10:53:59 <Quinto> :(
Nov 04 10:54:08 <jjc> Is there a way of creating a flasher image?
Nov 04 10:55:33 <Quinto> i'm download the kernel
Nov 04 10:56:01 <Quinto> keesj: but after uboot where is for bbb?
Nov 04 10:59:49 <keesj> I use the mailine u-boot (e.g from the official sources)
Nov 04 11:00:22 <Quinto> you can give me link for download it?
Nov 04 11:02:22 <Quinto> kernel is 3 GB?
Nov 04 11:08:10 <av500> the "pro" version is
Nov 04 11:33:11 <Quinto> but with narcissus where is in filesystem uboot.bin?
Nov 04 11:35:03 <keesj> it depends a little. either you download something like a root file system or you download an image you can flash
Nov 04 11:35:25 <Quinto> i have 2 files: random-84e65e52-image-beagleboard.tar
Nov 04 11:35:27 <Quinto> and
Nov 04 11:35:30 <keesj> that will contain multiple partitions and the first one will be a FAT containing u-boot.img
Nov 04 11:35:32 <Quinto> Angstrom-2013.11-narcissus-beagleboard-i686-random-84e65e52-image-toolchain.tar
Nov 04 11:35:56 <keesj> yes these are full images e.g.  they contain different partitions
Nov 04 11:35:57 <Quinto> in \boot there isnt uboot.bin
Nov 04 11:36:08 <Quinto> there is only uImage
Nov 04 11:36:38 <honestly> whelp
Nov 04 11:36:44 <honestly> [    9.619934] init: plymouth main process (198) killed by SEGV signal
Nov 04 11:36:50 <honestly> that's not good is it?
Nov 04 11:37:27 <Quinto> keesj: i view only a rootfs tree
Nov 04 11:37:37 <keesj> that's different *oe puts the uImage there) but this is not where u-boot is located
Nov 04 11:38:02 <keesj> does the tar contains multiple files?
Nov 04 11:38:23 <Quinto> no
Nov 04 11:38:41 <Quinto> where is uboot.bin in rootfs?
Nov 04 11:39:14 <keesj> it's not
Nov 04 11:39:24 <Quinto> ah
Nov 04 11:39:30 <Quinto> but i dont have in .tar
Nov 04 11:39:31 <Quinto> uboot
Nov 04 11:39:41 <Quinto> i have only rootfs
Nov 04 11:40:30 <Quinto> i must flash also the uboot everytimes?
Nov 04 11:41:47 <honestly> hrm, that happens on a normally booting board too.
Nov 04 11:41:50 <honestly> lame.
Nov 04 11:46:53 <Tejvir> Hey
Nov 04 11:47:09 <Tejvir> I have a question..
Nov 04 11:47:13 <honestly> interesting. the usb gadget comes up.
Nov 04 11:47:36 <Tejvir> my beaglebone is not showing as a mass storage device on my laptop
Nov 04 11:47:52 <Tejvir> Any help would be appreciated
Nov 04 11:48:52 <KotH> Tejvir: not enough information
Nov 04 11:49:09 <KotH> Tejvir: but there is an easy and simple way to debug: connect a serial port to you bbb
Nov 04 11:50:19 <honestly> for my later reference: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6358343/
Nov 04 11:50:20 <keesj> Quinto: u-boot will normally not change, just like the kernel. but it you need to hack around to get the cape working you probably will need to do some dtb magic
Nov 04 11:50:30 <Tejvir> is there a option for serial port
Nov 04 11:50:44 <KotH> Tejvir: serial port as in debug serial port
Nov 04 11:50:54 <KotH> Tejvir: the 4 or 5 connectors on the top side
Nov 04 11:50:55 <honestly> seems the kernel doesn't boot right, but there's no proper error message. ugh.
Nov 04 11:51:05 <KotH> Tejvir: s/connector/pins/
Nov 04 11:51:30 <Tejvir> okay.. But i was trying to ssh using putty
Nov 04 11:51:49 <KotH> you want to know what's going on at boot up
Nov 04 11:51:53 <KotH> ssh doesnt tell you that
Nov 04 11:52:10 <Tejvir> okay after connecting serial port
Nov 04 11:52:20 <Tejvir> how do i get to know what is going on boot up
Nov 04 11:52:48 <Tejvir> actually i am newbie.. :P
Nov 04 11:53:09 <KotH> by connecting a serial 2 usb cable to the debug serial port
Nov 04 11:53:27 <Tejvir> okay..
Nov 04 11:54:22 <Tejvir> is there any other way.. Coz i don't have the serial 2 usb cable and today the market is off..:(
Nov 04 11:54:40 <Tejvir> and i have a deadline to meet
Nov 04 11:54:56 <KotH> you can use a max232 or equivalent and connect it to your PC's serial port
Nov 04 11:55:35 <Tejvir> okay..
Nov 04 11:55:55 <Tejvir> and what about the usb
Nov 04 11:58:51 <Tejvir> I thought that maybe the drivers are creating this problem.. But they are not..
Nov 04 12:00:53 <Quinto> i need 3 information:
Nov 04 12:01:01 <Quinto> is possible?
Nov 04 12:01:20 <Tejvir> what 3 ??
Nov 04 12:02:25 <Tejvir> what 3 information do you need??
Nov 04 12:02:54 <Quinto> 1- How to customize kernel for example for enable GPIO 1_2;  2- where is uboot;  3- how to flash SD or eMMC?
Nov 04 12:05:11 <Tejvir> http://e2e.ti.com/support/arm/sitara_arm/f/791/t/275544.aspx
Nov 04 12:05:22 <Tejvir> here is some information on flashing sd or emm
Nov 04 12:09:48 <Tejvir> can anybody tell me how to uninstall the drivers from windows xp.. Completely uninstall.. Is there any way to do that.? ?
Nov 04 12:10:53 <XorA> find the .inf file in the \Windows\ directory and delete it
Nov 04 12:12:04 <Quinto> Tejvir: thanks
Nov 04 12:13:22 <Quinto> and uboot where i can download it?
Nov 04 12:17:19 <Tejvir> http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm#step2
Nov 04 12:17:46 <Tejvir> but i need to uninstall some specific drivers
Nov 04 12:20:50 <Quinto> http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-Bootloader:U-Boot
Nov 04 12:22:21 <KotH> Tejvir: i dont know whether drivers are a problem, because you didnt give any real information, not even what OS you are using... but assuming you are using VMS, i would be surprised if it wouldnt be a missing driver
Nov 04 12:28:23 <Tejvir> No actually i am using windows xp on my laptop and angstrom factory installed linux on beaglebone
Nov 04 12:29:06 <Tejvir>  and i am trying to connect to it using ssh but for that i need ip address
Nov 04 12:29:19 <Tejvir> and to find its ip address i am using fing software..
Nov 04 12:29:31 <Tejvir> but then it is not able to find beaglebone
Nov 04 12:29:41 <Tejvir> ip address
Nov 04 12:29:59 <Tejvir> I thought this was the problem with my older laptop
Nov 04 12:30:06 <Tejvir> so i changed the laptop
Nov 04 12:30:16 <Tejvir> and its still having the problem
Nov 04 12:30:35 <Tejvir> and i am not able to find the problem
Nov 04 12:36:47 <Quinto> what i must modified for to have enabled GPIO?
Nov 04 12:39:40 <Tejvir> I don't know about that.. but if you just want to run some sensor and stuff then you can use pin no 11 ,12, 15 ,16
Nov 04 12:40:58 <Quinto> i need a simple switch on 2 gpio
Nov 04 12:41:03 <Quinto> on-off
Nov 04 12:41:16 <Quinto> and i must read them value
Nov 04 12:41:20 <Quinto> 1 or 0
Nov 04 12:41:30 <Quinto> 11,12,15,16 are active from default?
Nov 04 12:42:03 <Tejvir> yeah then you can use 11 and 12
Nov 04 12:42:11 <Tejvir> and yeah they are active from default
Nov 04 12:42:35 <Tejvir> you can put a switch on them and read and output values on them.
Nov 04 12:42:45 <Quinto> yes yes i know this
Nov 04 12:42:49 <Quinto> ok
Nov 04 12:42:57 <Quinto> but where are 11,12,15,16?
Nov 04 12:43:05 <Quinto> on board or on expansion board?
Nov 04 12:43:08 <Tejvir> on P8
Nov 04 12:43:18 <Tejvir> you are using beaglebone black
Nov 04 12:43:19 <Tejvir> right?
Nov 04 12:44:07 <Quinto> yes
Nov 04 12:44:17 <Tejvir> so it is on board
Nov 04 12:44:24 <Tejvir> look on P8 header
Nov 04 12:47:28 <Quinto> ok
Nov 04 12:51:03 <Quinto|2> you mean pin 11-12-15-16?
Nov 04 12:51:06 <Quinto|2> on P8?
Nov 04 12:51:37 <Quinto|2> 1_13,1_12,1_15,1_14?
Nov 04 12:54:24 <Quinto|2> Tejvir:?
Nov 04 12:56:09 <Anguel> am I wrong that beaglebone angstrom development is done only by koen?
Nov 04 12:59:37 <keesj> mostly and I haven't see kone in a while
Nov 04 12:59:46 <KotH> Anguel: you are wrong
Nov 04 12:59:51 <KotH> Anguel: but he was a promiment figure
Nov 04 12:59:56 <KotH> was/is
Nov 04 13:00:10 <Tejvir> yup
Nov 04 13:00:16 * KotH has seen koen two weeks ago in edinburgh
Nov 04 13:00:22 <Anguel> well, in the openembedded forum he said that he has quit his job, whatever that means...
Nov 04 13:00:47 <keesj> MINIX is so much simpler. just one download one repository
Nov 04 13:01:11 <Anguel> and I see that things seem to be frozen while he is away
Nov 04 13:01:23 <keesj> most of the time there is only one way of doing things (or less)
Nov 04 13:01:25 <Tejvir> these are the pins you just listed
Nov 04 13:01:46 <Quinto|2> Tejvir: ok
Nov 04 13:02:15 <Quinto|2> and if i want set pin 20?
Nov 04 13:02:25 <Quinto|2> GPIO1_31
Nov 04 13:02:31 <Quinto|2> what i must modified^
Nov 04 13:02:32 <Quinto|2> ?
Nov 04 13:02:44 <KotH> keesj: well, feel free to port minix to the bbb :)
Nov 04 13:03:26 <keesj> KotH: that's what I have been doing the last few month
Nov 04 13:03:36 <Quinto|2> keesj: you can help me?
Nov 04 13:03:47 <Anguel> KotH: when you say was this means that he won't continue his work on BBB?
Nov 04 13:03:57 <KotH> Anguel: i didnt say that
Nov 04 13:04:09 <KotH> Anguel: and afaik he still does work on the bbb
Nov 04 13:04:21 <KotH> Anguel: at least he said that two weeks ago
Nov 04 13:04:47 <KotH> (unless i misunderstood him)
Nov 04 13:05:04 <Anguel> KotH: because there was his statement that he quit his job (which was afaik Circuitco)
Nov 04 13:05:12 <av500> sure
Nov 04 13:05:20 <av500> but he worked on BBB before CCo
Nov 04 13:05:27 <av500> even before TI
Nov 04 13:05:55 <KotH> Anguel: i dont work for cco, or ti or any company that does embedded linux. still i'm here and try to help people
Nov 04 13:07:12 <Anguel> KotH: I appreciate your commitment, but it is still sad that TI/Circuitco don't have more people working on the BBB official distribution, and at the same time they want to compete with Raspberry Pi...
Nov 04 13:08:57 * KotH wouldnt be so sure about that
Nov 04 13:09:43 <Anguel> ok, TI is doing their own SDK with Arago, hopefully they will switch to a newer kernel soon
Nov 04 13:10:03 * av500 wouldnt be so sure about that
Nov 04 13:11:42 <Anguel> why not, they will probably go with the next LTS kernel. there is just too few support for Angstrom
Nov 04 13:12:44 <Anguel> it is a pain to find out how some things work
Nov 04 13:13:46 <KotH> welcome to the real world, where knowledge isnt presented on a silver platter
Nov 04 13:13:54 <av500> golden?
Nov 04 13:14:19 <Anguel> hey, BBB is pointed at hobbyists I thought...
Nov 04 13:14:20 <KotH> at time gold pressed latiniuum
Nov 04 13:14:53 <KotH> Anguel: that doesnt mean that companies do not expect you to actually know what you are doing and invest time to learn it
Nov 04 13:15:02 <Anguel> in this forum there don't seem to be many Angstrom people, in the OE forum they don't know much about Angstrom / BBB and in the Angstrom forum you get no replies
Nov 04 13:15:41 <Anguel> Angstrom is doing almost everything in a different strange way...
Nov 04 13:16:06 <Anguel> additionally on the BBB there are some strange scripts that are full of bugs
Nov 04 13:19:07 <Anguel> and TI is only marketing, they are not able to write firmware for their chips
Nov 04 13:20:54 <KotH> Anguel: just for the record: this is _NOT_ a forum
Nov 04 13:21:01 <KotH> Anguel: this is an IRC Channel
Nov 04 13:21:40 <Anguel> KotH: ack
Nov 04 13:21:58 <Anguel>  it is a fact that koen is the only one who knows what is going on with the BBB - just look at the forums, all other "experts" are just guessing what's going on
Nov 04 13:22:51 <ogra_> use the source luke ...
Nov 04 13:26:45 <Anguel> nice community the BBB has
Nov 04 13:33:55 <KotH> Anguel: if you want a all-happy-we-hold-your-hand community, then look somewhere else
Nov 04 13:34:15 <KotH> Anguel: most of the OSS communities expect a large portion of independence and ability to look up things yourself
Nov 04 13:34:32 * jjc thinks KotH needs to calm down
Nov 04 13:35:31 * KotH is calm
Nov 04 13:35:36 * KotH lacks chocolate though
Nov 04 13:36:09 <KotH> and i dont like people complaining about "the community" when they want to profit from it without investing even the tiniest bit of work
Nov 04 13:36:41 <Anguel> KotH: I don't think that I expect too much, I just hate companies that make money with "developers"
Nov 04 13:37:32 * ogra_ too prefers developers that make money with companies
Nov 04 13:37:53 <das> you buy a $45 piece of circuitry that comes with ready to use software and still manage to complain ?
Nov 04 13:38:05 <KotH> Anguel: unfortunately, that's how it has been in linux land for the last 20 years
Nov 04 13:38:07 <Anguel> I understand that people here don't know much about Angstrom but why the hell was Angstrom then chosen for the BBB? nobody knows it and there are no docs
Nov 04 13:38:29 <KotH> Anguel: at least companies these days just ignore us instead of actively trying to kill us
Nov 04 13:38:56 <Anguel> you see in the forums (yes I mean forums here) that everybody is guessing when it comes to Angstrom
Nov 04 13:39:13 <KotH> Anguel: angström was choosen because of all the build systems koen evaluated it was the best at the time
Nov 04 13:39:54 <KotH> Anguel: well, the advantage of angström is that it does everything for you. the problem with angström is that it does everything for you
Nov 04 13:40:30 <Anguel> KotH: I understand
Nov 04 13:40:35 <KotH> Anguel: and joe average is not able to spend an hour or two at looking up things and figuring out how it actually works
Nov 04 13:41:00 <ogra_> it is not like there are no debian or ubuntu images for the BBB in case you dont like angstrom
Nov 04 13:41:25 <keesj> [5~[6~[5~
Nov 04 13:41:33 <KotH> if koen would have choosen something more low level, where you have to do something yourself, we would have a higher ratio of people who know what is going on, but in total less people working with the bbb
Nov 04 13:41:34 <Anguel> right, there are, but they have their own problems afaik
Nov 04 13:42:07 <ogra_> and both of them will work exctly the same as they do on other arches since they are both general purpose distros ... so all documentation still applies
Nov 04 13:42:48 <ogra_> and yes, they have their own problems since they are general purpose ...
Nov 04 13:43:03 <ogra_> ... while angstrom is optimized for the BBB
Nov 04 13:43:23 <KotH> angström is an embedded distro. it's not optimized for the bbb
Nov 04 13:43:26 <ogra_> can only have one or the other
Nov 04 13:43:47 <ogra_> KotH, sorry, optimized for embedded ... not for BBB
Nov 04 13:43:48 <ogra_> :)
Nov 04 13:44:04 <Anguel> hm, OE is not easy at all If you need to customize something
Nov 04 13:44:32 * ogra_ reads backlog to see if he said "easy" anywhere 
Nov 04 13:44:33 * KotH nods
Nov 04 13:44:40 <KotH> Anguel: that's why i dont use angström/OE
Nov 04 13:44:43 * XorA finds it real easy
Nov 04 13:44:46 <KotH> Anguel: buildroot is much easier to modify
Nov 04 13:44:54 <KotH> Anguel: but it requires a lot more knowledge
Nov 04 13:46:36 <das> BR is awesome
Nov 04 13:47:57 <KotH> XorA: OE might be easy.. but it took me more time to learn how OE works than buildroot
Nov 04 13:48:04 <av500> 4y old BR snapshot is the bestest!
Nov 04 13:48:27 <KotH> av500: actually... for a project we have a now 4y old snapshot :)
Nov 04 13:48:37 <KotH> and i dont dare to touch it ^^'
Nov 04 13:49:03 <av500> :)
Nov 04 13:49:06 <av500> I did the same
Nov 04 13:49:11 <av500> in the past
Nov 04 13:49:18 * av500 mumbles something about good enough
Nov 04 13:51:21 <suihkulokki> 2.4.18-rmk7 is good enough
Nov 04 13:52:17 <suihkulokki> we don't need this newfangled 2.6 kernel
Nov 04 13:52:52 <KotH> av500: and now?
Nov 04 13:53:09 <KotH> av500: let me guess, you've everything in git and rebase daily? :)
Nov 04 13:53:41 <KotH> suihkulokki: no sata support!
Nov 04 13:55:07 <av500> KotH: rebase?
Nov 04 13:55:23 <av500> now I dont even have BR any more :)
Nov 04 13:56:08 <KotH> av500: ah! you outsourced that problem to china!
Nov 04 13:56:19 <KotH> av500: and have become a manager!
Nov 04 13:56:28 <KotH> av500: you have fallen low... very low...
Nov 04 13:56:45 <av500> I'm hacking libav as we speak
Nov 04 13:56:46 <av500> so no :)
Nov 04 13:57:13 <av500> its much nicer since I converted it to java
Nov 04 13:57:25 <KotH> that's your freetime stuff when you dont work on important things ;)
Nov 04 13:57:35 <av500> no
Nov 04 13:57:36 <av500> work :)
Nov 04 13:59:00 <KotH> yeah yeah.. i would tell my boss the same ;)
Nov 04 13:59:31 <av500> u no my boss!
Nov 04 15:54:29 <fra> hello all
Nov 04 15:55:14 <ZiNC> hi
Nov 04 15:56:32 <fra> I have a bb black, for QT environment, how to install the package in the board?
Nov 04 16:11:57 <cwilson> carefully.
Nov 04 16:30:06 <eggzeck> I got my BBB! Finally I can start creating!
Nov 04 16:31:09 <woglinde> eggzeck have fub
Nov 04 16:31:13 <woglinde> uhm fun
Nov 04 16:31:16 <ogra_> lots of fub !
Nov 04 16:31:22 <ogra_> :)
Nov 04 16:31:42 <woglinde> he ogra
Nov 04 16:31:42 <ZiNC> What rev is it?
Nov 04 16:31:56 <woglinde> ogra something new about apparmor?
Nov 04 16:32:04 <woglinde> ogra could not that hard to fix it
Nov 04 16:32:24 <ogra_> well, easiest is to just change the cmdline
Nov 04 16:32:34 <ogra_> i'm still waiting for someone to test that
Nov 04 16:32:48 <ogra_> (added instructions to the bug)
Nov 04 16:36:51 <SpeedEvil> Somewhat OT - https://connect.arc.nasa.gov/kepler?launcher=false - Kepler science conference II about to start. - in 5 mins is the future kepler plans.
Nov 04 17:20:55 <mtkl_m> Hey, which file I must modified for to enable GPIO1_31?
Nov 04 17:32:09 <mtkl_m> nothing here?
Nov 04 17:36:45 <clemahieu> I'm attempting to use P8 pins 39-46 as GPIO pins but I can't seem to get them to work.  I've done: disabled HDMI cape on startup so there's no pin conflict.  Loaded a custom overlay which changes the pinmux for these pins to 0x27, enabled the gpio2 bank clock module, set oe to 0xffffffff and have some code sitting in an infinite loop doing setdataout = 0xffffffff cleardataout = 0xffffffff
Nov 04 17:37:03 <clemahieu> I have a scope attached to these pins and they don't the value changing.  If I do the same for gpio bank 1 and twiddle pin P8.11 and P8.12 which are default mux'ed to gpio mode I'm able to see the value changing.
Nov 04 17:37:09 <clemahieu> Am I missing a step anywhere?
Nov 04 17:37:58 <thurgood> hdmi cape? most of them are not compatible with the bbb as I recall
Nov 04 17:38:58 <clemahieu> It's the default thing in the slots file that causes a conflict when changing these pins to gpio mode.  I believe they refer to the onboard HDMI, I don't have any external cape installed.
Nov 04 17:40:08 <eggzeck> thurgood: Why would you need an HDMI cape?
Nov 04 17:40:20 <eggzeck> the BBB has mini-HDMI built-in
Nov 04 17:40:35 <thurgood> well if you wanted to have 24 bit color...
Nov 04 17:40:42 <eggzeck> ah I see
Nov 04 17:40:48 <eggzeck> Good point
Nov 04 17:40:52 <clemahieu> I don't have any external cape installed.  There's a device tree overlay file called HDMI that's overlayed by default
Nov 04 17:40:56 <thurgood> only reason I can see
Nov 04 17:40:57 <clemahieu> I turn that off by default.
Nov 04 17:41:42 <thurgood> was there a reason you disabled it in the first place?
Nov 04 17:42:04 <thurgood> if you don't have the cape it shouldn't come in to play
Nov 04 17:42:12 <clemahieu> I'm trying to use the P8.39-P8.46 pins, if I try to install my custom overlay which pinmuxs them to GPIO mode, it says there's a conflict.
Nov 04 17:43:05 <clemahieu> This is what I attempted http://www.logicsupply.com/blog/2013/07/18/disabling-the-beaglebone-black-hdmi-cape/
Nov 04 17:48:30 <thurgood> ah I see hdmi is enabled as though it is a cape even though it is not a physical cape
Nov 04 17:50:35 <`Ishq> Is there any way to tell if your bbb is actually being flashed or just running?
Nov 04 17:50:57 <thurgood> have you tried exporting the associated gpio pins explicitly after disabling the onboard hdmi?
Nov 04 17:51:15 <clemahieu> The right most light will have a heartbeat pattern and the left most light will be almost completely solid on.  Usually when it's just running the left most light is very intermittant.
Nov 04 17:51:47 <clemahieu> thurgood: By exporting explicitly do you mean with a separate overlay file?
Nov 04 17:51:57 <`Ishq> Ok, thanks. clemahieu
Nov 04 17:54:28 <thurgood> clemahieu: echo <gpio #> /sys/class/gpio/export
Nov 04 17:54:55 <thurgood> err missing '>' before  /sys
Nov 04 17:56:09 <cwilson> So I've a fresh BBB, flashed to angstrom v2012.12 - Kernel 3.8.13.   It comes up into the login prompt just dandy on the HDMI port and keyboard i/o is fine  Question is, there's extra stuff I need to install to get a GUI (x11 etc) environment on Angstrom, or should I switch o/s?
Nov 04 17:56:30 <cwilson> (and htf do i turn on dhcpd for it, dangit)
Nov 04 17:57:22 <clemahieu> thurgood: I didn't.  The closest thing I did to that was 'cat' on '/sys/kernel/debug/gpio' which lists the pins I supposedly mux'ed in.
Nov 04 17:57:28 <clemahieu> gpio-70 through gpio-77
Nov 04 17:57:47 <clemahieu> What does the /sys/class/gpio/export file do?  Should I also do that to get them to work?
Nov 04 18:00:09 <thurgood> cwilson:  are you setting it to handle other devices'  ip addresses, don't think you need the daemon just to grab an address
Nov 04 18:00:27 <thurgood> export make the gpio pin available in user land
Nov 04 18:01:07 <Gust> hi guys, if I post in the google group my message goes to moderation?
Nov 04 18:01:09 <thurgood> feed it a number and it will make that pin available if not used for something else
Nov 04 18:01:17 <cwilson> thurgood:  i didn't think it was requesting an addr, lemme see if my tcpdump shows anything
Nov 04 18:01:43 <cwilson> oh, hell. there it is, plain as day.
Nov 04 18:01:51 * cwilson moves the cable
Nov 04 18:02:40 <clemahieu> thurgood: Ok that sounds great.  The GPIO number would be like 76 for gpio2_12?
Nov 04 18:02:44 <mtkl_m> i need a simple linux without X11, i need only  console, how I create this?
Nov 04 18:02:58 <clemahieu> I guess I can look it up, thanks a lot for the help.
Nov 04 18:03:36 <mtkl_m> clemahieu:
Nov 04 18:03:58 <clemahieu> mtkl_m: You should be able to connect with SSH
Nov 04 18:04:09 <mtkl_m> what?
Nov 04 18:04:09 <thurgood> mtkl_m: get the oe setup tools for your board and after following the default instructions bitbake console
Nov 04 18:04:37 <Gust> did someone connect a maxsonar to uart2? I'm having trouble with the read data
Nov 04 18:04:41 <mtkl_m> but i dont want default version on beagle board because it has X11
Nov 04 18:04:58 <thurgood> console does not include X11
Nov 04 18:05:09 <mtkl_m> but there is onboard
Nov 04 18:05:25 <mtkl_m> i want a new version with no X11
Nov 04 18:05:41 <thurgood> replace the rootfs with the one bitbake generates
Nov 04 18:05:50 <mtkl_m> what is bitbake?
Nov 04 18:05:59 <mtkl_m> i'm terrible confusion!
Nov 04 18:06:03 <mtkl_m> ahhhhhh
Nov 04 18:06:14 <mtkl_m> angstrom, narcissus, bitbake :D
Nov 04 18:06:25 <mtkl_m> there isnt a tutorial?
Nov 04 18:06:31 <mtkl_m> for to customize board?
Nov 04 18:06:39 <thurgood> it's a tool the OpenEmbedded , and by extension Angstrom, uses
Nov 04 18:07:27 <mtkl_m> so
Nov 04 18:07:35 <mtkl_m> pls follow me..
Nov 04 18:07:51 <mtkl_m> first i have board with Angstrom onboard, when i buy it
Nov 04 18:07:57 <mtkl_m> with X11
Nov 04 18:08:22 <mtkl_m> after I install on my pc bitbake
Nov 04 18:08:29 <mtkl_m> and i can customize my rootfs?
Nov 04 18:08:57 <mtkl_m> i want Qt libraries for exampel
Nov 04 18:09:39 <thurgood> once you have the rootfs you can add to it with opkg install if you're network enabled
Nov 04 18:10:14 <mtkl_m> after that i power on for first time the board what i must do?
Nov 04 18:16:03 <mtkl_m> thurgood: you can help me?
Nov 04 18:16:27 <mtkl_m> i  must run a little program on BBB that read from serial port
Nov 04 18:16:32 <thurgood> mtkl_m: sorry but you're probably not going to have much luck finding the step by step instuctions that are up to date
Nov 04 18:16:48 <mtkl_m> where is step by step instruction?
Nov 04 18:17:01 <mtkl_m> i need install all driver and after qt libraries
Nov 04 18:17:04 <mtkl_m> and after run my app
Nov 04 18:17:06 <mtkl_m> on board
Nov 04 18:17:11 <mtkl_m> i need enable serial port
Nov 04 18:17:15 <mtkl_m> for exampòle
Nov 04 18:17:15 <cwilson> opkg list | grep qt
Nov 04 18:17:17 <cwilson> for starters
Nov 04 18:17:26 <mtkl_m> cwilson: thanks
Nov 04 18:17:27 <thurgood> if you want to skip X from running in the first place that's probably not too hard
Nov 04 18:17:43 <mtkl_m> but where is instruction for skip X11
Nov 04 18:18:16 <KotH> mtkl_m: there aint no exact steps
Nov 04 18:18:28 <KotH> mtkl_m: you will have to learn how to use angström
Nov 04 18:18:34 <KotH> mtkl_m: alternatively you can use buildroot
Nov 04 18:18:56 <mtkl_m> ok thanks 100
Nov 04 18:18:57 <KotH> mtkl_m: buildroot is easier to customize imho, but needs more linux knowledge
Nov 04 18:18:58 <mtkl_m> 1000
Nov 04 18:19:14 <Gust> does anyone know why maxsonar would return random data instead of the packet refered on the datasheet?
Nov 04 18:19:29 <mtkl_m> but on my pc
Nov 04 18:19:35 <mtkl_m> i must have a linux distro?
Nov 04 18:19:37 <KotH> Gust: connect a logic analyzer and have a look at the data comming over the wire
Nov 04 18:19:43 <KotH> Gust: maybe there is an alignment error
Nov 04 18:19:52 <mtkl_m> i have ubuntu is ok?
Nov 04 18:19:56 <KotH> mtkl_m: no, you can build linux from scratch too
Nov 04 18:20:35 <mtkl_m> scratch?
Nov 04 18:20:39 <Gust> in some forum about rasp pi I found the that the data is coming inverted, but I set active_low to 1 so I guess I also inverted it right?
Nov 04 18:20:48 <KotH> mtkl_m: google for "linux from scratch"
Nov 04 18:20:55 <mtkl_m> ok
Nov 04 18:20:56 <Gust> none the less I will try the analyzer
Nov 04 18:21:03 <KotH> Gust: is it SPI?
Nov 04 18:21:20 <KotH> Gust: there you need clock and sampling polarity right, otherwise you'll get anything
Nov 04 18:22:34 <Gust> I think it's not, I'm not proficient tho
Nov 04 18:22:44 <Gust> I'm using uart2
Nov 04 18:22:52 <KotH> welll...
Nov 04 18:23:04 <KotH> if you dont know what interface it uses, you cannot say you are using the right one
Nov 04 18:24:04 <Gust> i know I can connect it to uart 2
Nov 04 18:24:17 <Gust> and I should be reading RS232 formatted messages
Nov 04 18:24:24 <Gust> starting with an capital R
Nov 04 18:24:54 <KotH> ah..ok rs232 then
Nov 04 18:25:08 <KotH> then it's most likely that you have the baudrate wrong
Nov 04 18:25:32 <Gust> I checked that 9600
Nov 04 18:26:35 <Gust> I get wrong messages but from the right place, because the data changes according to the distance from the sonar
Nov 04 18:26:53 <mtkl_m> KotH: so i must download linux from scratch on my pc?
Nov 04 18:26:59 <KotH> mtkl_m: no
Nov 04 18:26:59 <woglinde> hiho koth
Nov 04 18:27:02 <KotH> hey woglinde
Nov 04 18:27:03 <Gust> the problem is that i'm not reading messages starting with a R and ending with a \n
Nov 04 18:27:07 <KotH> woglinde: alles klar?
Nov 04 18:27:10 <woglinde> koth sure
Nov 04 18:27:12 <woglinde> I am fine
Nov 04 18:27:13 <KotH> mtkl_m: you can use what ever pleases you
Nov 04 18:27:14 <mtkl_m> KotH: andwhat i must do?
Nov 04 18:27:23 <KotH> mtkl_m: but you should learn some linux basics
Nov 04 18:27:27 <KotH> mtkl_m: you will need them
Nov 04 18:27:32 <KotH> mtkl_m: actually, you need them right now
Nov 04 18:27:52 <mtkl_m> but you can say me what i must do for first?
Nov 04 18:28:11 <KotH> mtkl_m: buy a book on linux
Nov 04 18:28:15 <KotH> mtkl_m: read it
Nov 04 18:28:17 <KotH> mtkl_m: learn german
Nov 04 18:28:21 <woglinde> lol
Nov 04 18:28:29 <mtkl_m> german?
Nov 04 18:28:31 <KotH> yes
Nov 04 18:28:37 <KotH> it's an important language
Nov 04 18:28:44 <woglinde> germany has many many open source devs
Nov 04 18:29:01 <mtkl_m> ah ok
Nov 04 18:29:07 <mtkl_m> and after with my board
Nov 04 18:29:18 <mtkl_m> i have board with angstrom on
Nov 04 18:29:27 <KotH> mtkl_m: everything you want to know is written on the internet
Nov 04 18:29:27 <mtkl_m> can you say me what i must do?
Nov 04 18:29:33 <KotH> mtkl_m: you can google for it
Nov 04 18:29:41 <KotH> mtkl_m: getting qt working on an embedded system is pretty easy
Nov 04 18:29:51 <KotH> mtkl_m: as long as you know how linux works in general
Nov 04 18:30:01 <KotH> mtkl_m: no i cannot hold your hand
Nov 04 18:30:07 <KotH> mtkl_m: i dont have the time for it
Nov 04 18:30:10 <KotH> mtkl_m: but you may hire me
Nov 04 18:30:15 <mtkl_m> first i no need qt libraries
Nov 04 18:30:43 <mtkl_m> i need flash SD  with a linux without X11
Nov 04 18:30:47 <mtkl_m> you can explain me?
Nov 04 18:31:19 <KotH> woglinde: die leute vom land das aussieht wie ein stiefel sind genauso nervig wie die inder...
Nov 04 18:32:02 <KotH> mtkl_m: either read the explenations you can find easily on the internet, or hire me
Nov 04 18:32:14 <KotH> mtkl_m: i'm not going to hold your hand
Nov 04 18:32:14 <woglinde> koth hm I know some they are really nice
Nov 04 18:32:22 <KotH> woglinde: yeah.. i know some too
Nov 04 18:32:29 <mtkl_m> you can say me where i must read this?
Nov 04 18:32:29 <KotH> woglinde: but they can be tyring
Nov 04 18:32:37 <KotH> mtkl_m: google for "qt angström"
Nov 04 18:32:38 <woglinde> mtkl_m just remove the x11 packages
Nov 04 18:32:56 <KotH> meh.. mir reichts, ich geh kochen
Nov 04 18:33:01 <woglinde> doener
Nov 04 18:33:07 <KotH> pfff..
Nov 04 18:33:08 <mtkl_m> i dont undstand
Nov 04 18:33:10 <mtkl_m> :(
Nov 04 18:33:14 <mtkl_m> i dont have a tutorial
Nov 04 18:33:20 <woglinde> find one
Nov 04 18:33:21 <KotH> ich bin zwar türke aber döner ist keine vernünftige mahlzeit ;)
Nov 04 18:33:32 <woglinde> koth hm doener is enough
Nov 04 18:33:35 <woglinde> better than burger
Nov 04 18:33:38 <woglinde> and cheaper
Nov 04 18:33:41 <woglinde> at least in de
Nov 04 18:33:46 <KotH> depends on the burger
Nov 04 18:33:52 <KotH> oh.. sorry börger ;)
Nov 04 18:34:12 <woglinde> good burgers cost a lot more
Nov 04 18:35:00 <KotH> good food costs money
Nov 04 18:35:06 <KotH> at least in europe
Nov 04 18:35:13 <woglinde> haha lol
Nov 04 18:35:21 <woglinde> in the us you do not get good food
Nov 04 18:35:33 <KotH> juup, there are countries like that too
Nov 04 18:35:46 <KotH> and then there are countries where everything you buy is wonderfull!
Nov 04 18:35:51 <KotH> (like japan, or turkey)
Nov 04 18:39:45 <woglinde> koth so what are you cooking today?
Nov 04 18:39:58 <mtkl_m> KotH: i have found narcissus
Nov 04 18:40:04 <mtkl_m> what you think?
Nov 04 18:41:49 <eggzeck> I love my new BBB already!
Nov 04 18:45:05 <KotH> woglinde: bin heute faul: pasta mit carbonara
Nov 04 18:45:34 <KotH> mtkl_m: i think that there is not enough knowledge about the noise processes within a quartz crystal resonator and a lot more research should be done
Nov 04 18:46:05 <mtkl_m> KotH: ^
Nov 04 18:46:09 <mtkl_m> ?
Nov 04 18:46:14 <mtkl_m> KotH: i'm italian
Nov 04 18:46:20 <mtkl_m> LOL
Nov 04 18:46:26 <Gust> is the active_low field in the gpio pin export folder meant to change LOW inputs into HIGH?
Nov 04 18:46:31 <Gust> for all the bits?
Nov 04 18:47:05 <KotH> mtkl_m: i know
Nov 04 18:47:17 <mtkl_m> hahaha
Nov 04 18:47:35 <KotH> Gust: i think so.. not sure
Nov 04 18:47:42 <mtkl_m> if you help me i say at you how to do a good pasta alla carbonara
Nov 04 18:47:42 <KotH> Gust: read the GPIO documentation
Nov 04 18:47:55 <KotH> mtkl_m: too late, i'm already cooking
Nov 04 18:48:04 <mtkl_m> hahaha
Nov 04 18:48:04 <KotH> mtkl_m: beside, i know enough italians
Nov 04 18:48:13 <Gust> I did, but I wasn't sure, supposedly that was my problem, have inverted inputs
Nov 04 18:48:30 <KotH> Gust: Docmentation/gpio/* as well?
Nov 04 18:48:35 <mtkl_m> KotH: do you came from?
Nov 04 18:48:49 <KotH> Gust: i dont know whether that inverts the uart signals as well... i actually doubt it
Nov 04 18:49:07 <Gust> yeah, that docs
Nov 04 18:49:17 <Gust> really? that's good
Nov 04 18:49:17 <mtkl_m> where do you come from?
Nov 04 18:49:26 <Gust> at leats I still have hope for hardware base inverter
Nov 04 18:49:30 <KotH> Gust: i'm not even sure the am3359 can invert uart signals... have a look at the technical reference manual
Nov 04 18:50:11 <KotH> Gust: if you have an oscilloscope or a logic analyzer, you can check the signals, whether they are what you expect them to be
Nov 04 18:50:56 <Gust> I know, I will find one tomorrow, but I would prefer a method that didn't mean me translating bit manually
Nov 04 18:50:58 <Gust> :P
Nov 04 18:52:28 <KotH> get the openbench sniffer and sigrok, it can do the translation for you
Nov 04 18:52:42 <KotH> actually any logic analyzer worth its salt does that these days
Nov 04 18:52:57 * agmlego <3 the Saleae one.
Nov 04 18:53:28 <mtkl_m> KotH: help me plz
Nov 04 18:54:13 <mtkl_m> i dont found the turial for obtain an image of customized angstrom distro
Nov 04 18:54:23 <Gust> well I will try tomorrow
Nov 04 18:54:27 <Gust> thank you
Nov 04 18:54:30 <Gust> cya
Nov 04 18:55:49 <KotH> mtkl_m: my hourly rate is 200EUR for normal problems
Nov 04 18:57:00 <_av500_> 200CHF for hard ones
Nov 04 18:57:14 <mtkl_m> KotH: ok
Nov 04 18:57:30 <mtkl_m> but this is a free project
Nov 04 18:58:00 <mtkl_m> and you are a thief
Nov 04 18:58:07 <KotH> _av500_: 200CHF for intereswting ones, and 200KWD for managment probs
Nov 04 18:58:27 <KotH> mtkl_m: well... these are standard rates overhere
Nov 04 18:58:37 <KotH> mtkl_m: actually, that's a cheap rate for short term hire of an expert
Nov 04 18:58:52 <mtkl_m> bitbake is same SUDO?
Nov 04 18:58:56 <mtkl_m> opkg
Nov 04 18:59:01 <mtkl_m> is same SUDo?
Nov 04 18:59:04 <KotH> mtkl_m: and you should learn that i dont just do work for free, just because you are doing a free project
Nov 04 18:59:05 <agmlego> mtkl_m: Or, you could just ask the channel at large rather than pestering one member in particular, and have patience and wait. ;-P
Nov 04 18:59:30 <mtkl_m> ok sorry
Nov 04 18:59:30 <KotH> mtkl_m: there are thousands of projects that would want me to work on them. but i have only limited time. hence i work only on stuff i find interesting. especially in my free time
Nov 04 18:59:42 <mtkl_m> excuse me
Nov 04 19:00:07 <agmlego> mtkl_m: Also, the channel topic has a link to more information on the best way to ask questions in the channel.
Nov 04 19:00:13 <agmlego> (and other places too)
Nov 04 19:00:18 <mtkl_m> okok
Nov 04 19:01:27 <mtkl_m> sorry but is my first time
Nov 04 19:01:42 <agmlego> It is OK.
Nov 04 19:01:52 <agmlego> THis is why we are pointing you to resources to better yourself.
Nov 04 19:02:10 <KotH> agmlego: thanks for taking over :)
Nov 04 19:02:40 <mtkl_m> i want read! but i dont found documents
Nov 04 19:02:59 <mtkl_m> if you give me a document for read i read it
Nov 04 19:03:36 <cwilson> well there's half the challenge right there.
Nov 04 19:03:51 <agmlego> mtkl_m: Type '/topic' into your client, without the quote marks, and hit the Enter key.
Nov 04 19:04:16 <agmlego> Open the first link you see in your web browser, usually Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome, or Microsoft Internet Explorer.
Nov 04 19:04:50 <mtkl_m> ok
Nov 04 19:04:53 <agmlego> Or, failing that, please go to http://beagleboard.org/chat
Nov 04 19:05:06 <agmlego> Read that whole page, and any links from it.
Nov 04 19:05:29 <agmlego> Especially the one that links to catb.org.
Nov 04 19:05:30 <mtkl_m> ok
Nov 04 19:05:34 <mtkl_m> thanks
Nov 04 19:07:29 <agmlego> mtkl_m: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html <-- that link in particular.
Nov 04 19:23:58 <mtkl_m> agmlego: ok i have readed
Nov 04 19:24:28 <mtkl_m> this information dont help me :(
Nov 04 19:24:52 <agmlego> mtkl_m: It does not help you ask questions the smart way?
Nov 04 19:24:58 <agmlego> Then you are beyond help. :-/
Nov 04 19:25:19 <mtkl_m> yes but it dont help me with my problem
Nov 04 19:25:44 <agmlego> ...I think you may have missed the point of the previous discussion.
Nov 04 19:26:07 <agmlego> I was not helping you with your *technical* problem. I was helping you with your *etiquette* problem.
Nov 04 19:26:07 <mtkl_m> no
Nov 04 19:26:23 <mtkl_m> but etiquette now i know!
Nov 04 19:26:37 <agmlego> As in, you were annoying people in the channel, and I showed you the path to avoiding that and still getting the answers you seek.
Nov 04 19:26:41 <mtkl_m> i have asked simply a link for to help me
Nov 04 19:26:52 <agmlego> So, armed with that knowledge, ask your question the right way.
Nov 04 19:26:56 <eggzeck> I don't like how this board-ganizer attaches my BBB... It almost fell off twice; I need to modify this.
Nov 04 19:28:16 <mtkl_m> agmlego: but i need a guide, if you give me some document i read
Nov 04 19:28:48 <agmlego> mtkl_m: A guide to what?
Nov 04 19:29:34 <LetoThe2nd> mtkl_m: have you read and exercised http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone for the basic process of rebuilding an angstrom image?
Nov 04 19:30:24 <mtkl_m> i need a custom image for my BBB, i dont want X11 for example, but i want openssh, ethernet, GPIO for example
Nov 04 19:30:53 <mtkl_m> LetoThe2nd: thanks!
Nov 04 19:30:59 <LetoThe2nd> mtkl_m: i have read that, you have told us multiple times. so, care to answer my question in return?
Nov 04 19:31:05 <agmlego> mtkl_m: And what have you tried to do so far? What Google queries?
Nov 04 19:31:25 <mtkl_m> beagle bone black custom angstrom
Nov 04 19:31:40 <mtkl_m> LetoThe2nd: yes i think!
Nov 04 19:31:55 <LetoThe2nd> mtkl_m: after getting the basic build bootstrapped, setup an overlay that overrides the things that you do not like
Nov 04 19:32:07 <LetoThe2nd> mtkl_m: most are probably coming from https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-ti
Nov 04 19:32:37 <LetoThe2nd> mtkl_m: or for another way, get poky, add the meta-ti layer, and just build core minimal. then add up.
Nov 04 19:33:17 <mtkl_m> LetoThe2nd: so first i flash demo iMage with this link http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone
Nov 04 19:33:29 <mtkl_m> and after i setup an overlay?
Nov 04 19:33:35 <LetoThe2nd> mtkl_m: all of this has *nothing* to do with "flashing"
Nov 04 19:33:58 <LetoThe2nd> mtkl_m: please understand what a build system is, and what it is used for.
Nov 04 19:34:12 <LetoThe2nd> 20:29 < LetoThe2nd> mtkl_m: have you read and exercised http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone for the basic  process of rebuilding an angstrom image?
Nov 04 19:34:30 <mtkl_m> yes i'm reading
Nov 04 19:34:35 <mtkl_m> but this on my pc?
Nov 04 19:34:44 <m_billybob> ...
Nov 04 19:34:48 <LetoThe2nd> *sigh*
Nov 04 19:34:54 <LetoThe2nd> mtkl_m: of course.
Nov 04 19:35:03 <mtkl_m> i have a Virtual Machine
Nov 04 19:35:05 <mtkl_m> with Ubuntu
Nov 04 19:35:08 <LetoThe2nd> mtkl_m: you can also use your neighbours pc, if you like that one more.
Nov 04 19:35:09 <mtkl_m> is same?
Nov 04 19:35:19 <m_billybob> yes its the same
Nov 04 19:35:44 <LetoThe2nd> mtkl_m: go to that link. scroll down, read "how to reproduce."
Nov 04 19:36:13 <LetoThe2nd> mtkl_m: i will probably not repeat or answer again to question that i think i have already answered or that are trivial if you just read what is given. thanks.
Nov 04 19:36:27 <mtkl_m> ok
Nov 04 19:36:36 <mtkl_m> so i build image and flash on SD
Nov 04 19:36:54 <mtkl_m> i follow this step http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
Nov 04 19:37:01 <mtkl_m> ok?
Nov 04 19:40:10 <mtkl_m> i dont undstand what is this link http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone
Nov 04 19:40:42 <LetoThe2nd> 20:35 < LetoThe2nd> mtkl_m: go to that link. scroll down, read "how to reproduce."
Nov 04 19:40:57 <LetoThe2nd> if that is too complicated, i am not interested in more discussion. sorry.
Nov 04 19:41:00 <mtkl_m> there isnt
Nov 04 19:41:30 <LetoThe2nd> i'm out then, sorry. there is.
Nov 04 19:41:44 <cwilson> mtkl_m:  i haven't used them, but based on the extension I would take those images to be root filesystem (rootfs) images that you can copy onto your media and boot your BBB off of.
Nov 04 19:42:22 <cwilson> eg, the …-development-…rootfs has a development environment, with GNOME and other bits.
Nov 04 19:43:18 <al3xclarke> hi all, i've got a BeagleBoard Rev. C4 and need to reload the NAND/bootloader. can someone point me to the correct files as i can't seem to find them online.
Nov 04 19:43:26 <mtkl_m> ah ok
Nov 04 19:43:45 <mtkl_m> and so in:http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ at "How to reproduce" what is?
Nov 04 19:43:53 <LetoThe2nd> al3xclarke: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ should have the most things.
Nov 04 19:45:35 <cwilson> mtkl_m: a very high-level way to reproduce those images, apparently.
Nov 04 19:46:04 <cwilson> not all of them, just the systemd-image one at a quess.
Nov 04 19:46:05 <cwilson> guess.
Nov 04 19:46:21 <mtkl_m> but i can configure the package that i want or no?
Nov 04 19:46:22 <LetoThe2nd> cwilson: basically yes. the systemd-image is rather minimal, and one can always add up what one needs.
Nov 04 19:46:27 <al3xclarke> LetoThe2nd: thanks. i've been using these (http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevC3Validation) instructions, but they list some files that aren't available on the link you posted. that's what got me confussed.
Nov 04 19:46:32 <mtkl_m> like X11 for example?
Nov 04 19:47:13 <mtkl_m> i dont know open embedded
Nov 04 19:47:18 <mtkl_m> and this is new for me
Nov 04 19:47:26 <LetoThe2nd> al3xclarke: not everything should be needed. the work-in-progress page at http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidationv2 looks cleaner to me.
Nov 04 19:47:26 <mtkl_m> layer, meta eccc
Nov 04 19:47:40 <cwilson> mtkl_m:  i imagine so. You're going to have to learn more about open embedded, that's for certain.
Nov 04 19:47:42 <agmlego> al3xclarke: Note that you have a Rev C4, and those instructions are for a Rev C3. Not sure that matters, but it could explain your confusion.
Nov 04 19:47:55 <mtkl_m> ah ok
Nov 04 19:48:02 <mtkl_m> do you have a link?
Nov 04 19:48:07 <mtkl_m> for me?
Nov 04 19:48:13 <agmlego> I am sure Google does, mtkl_m
Nov 04 19:48:21 <mtkl_m> openembedded?
Nov 04 19:48:22 <cwilson> mtkl_m: for you, I PASTE CONTENTS OF WEB PAGE TO YOU. SPECIAL JUST FOR YOU.
Nov 04 19:48:39 <LetoThe2nd> cwilson: i always vote for being able to reproduce something given first, before trying to modify it. hence, the original asker shoudl go for the plain vanilla systemd-image first. too bad he's not listening at all.
Nov 04 19:48:41 <cwilson> mtkl_m:  http://www.openembedded.org/Getting_Started  really.  it's listed on the bottom of the other page.
Nov 04 19:48:43 <al3xclarke> agmlego: thanks, but the article says to follow the same instructions, but use different files for the C4. i'll have a play around and see what happens.
Nov 04 19:48:56 <mtkl_m> cwilson: i had already found it :D
Nov 04 19:49:19 <cwilson> LetoThe2nd:  yes, but there is a language issue in the way. along with the, uhm, tangledness of what BBB is and is built upon and all the oh so many various options and capabilities.
Nov 04 19:49:24 <agmlego> Yeah, but did you *read* and *understand* it. ;-P
Nov 04 19:49:39 <LetoThe2nd> cwilson: partially agreed.
Nov 04 19:49:42 <mtkl_m> i try
Nov 04 19:50:04 <agmlego> cwilson: Not to mention the overwhelmingly poor state of documentation of most/all stuff like this. :-/
Nov 04 19:50:07 <mtkl_m> i used ubuntu for my board
Nov 04 19:50:11 <mtkl_m> and LTIB
Nov 04 19:50:29 <mtkl_m> that automatically crosscompile kernel,uboot and rootfs
Nov 04 19:50:33 <mtkl_m> here is different
Nov 04 19:50:36 <LetoThe2nd> al3xclarke: however, i still think that http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard is the better choice.
Nov 04 19:50:57 <LetoThe2nd> al3xclarke: the "how to unpack..." section seems to be mostly what you want.
Nov 04 19:54:26 <al3xclarke> thanks for the advice. :)
Nov 04 19:55:44 <mtkl_m> cwilson: i have read http://www.openembedded.org/Getting_Started but is poor of information
Nov 04 19:58:53 <eggzeck> mtkl_m: I think you need to research the basics and other information first. Then you can tackle what you wish to do.
Nov 04 19:59:12 <Venky_> hey I'm having some trouble with my Beagleboard xM
Nov 04 19:59:25 <mtkl_m> tomorrow i have my board
Nov 04 19:59:32 <mtkl_m> and i can try
Nov 04 20:00:24 <mtkl_m> bye
Nov 04 20:04:04 <woglinde> Venky_ and now?
Nov 04 20:05:00 <Venky_> Sorry. SHould be more specific. What LEDs should I expect to be lit up under normal operation? I currently only have the D5 and D14 LEDs from the xM lit up. When connecting the Power Supply, I see D13 light up for less than a second
Nov 04 20:12:02 <eggzeck> Venky_: You still haven't stated what your issue is.
Nov 04 20:13:40 <woglinde> Venky_ connect a serial console and you will see
Nov 04 20:15:29 <Venky_> I can't boot up my beagleboard. Connecting Serial Console
Nov 04 20:15:35 <Venky_> Will get back to you
Nov 04 20:43:13 <mtkl_m> ut in my Beagle Board which Layer i can insert?
Nov 04 20:43:17 <mtkl_m> but in my Beagle Board which Layer i can insert?
Nov 04 21:28:48 <Sliz> Hello
Nov 04 21:30:38 <Sliz> Is the beagle bone black good as a home theater pc to stream movies from nas server through cable Internet
Nov 04 21:31:06 <_av500_> no
Nov 04 21:31:21 <_av500_> its not good for decoding HD video
Nov 04 21:31:41 <_av500_> its fine if you only stream video, but dont decode
Nov 04 21:31:54 <_av500_> like to /dev/null
Nov 04 21:33:30 <Sliz> Decoding HD videos means?
Nov 04 21:34:33 <clemahieu> Creating a picture out of the data.
Nov 04 21:35:09 <_av500_> Sliz: home theather involves decoding video, no?
Nov 04 21:36:12 <Sliz> So if I got the device with Ubuntu it ain't possible for the device to play a mkv file smooth
Nov 04 21:36:19 <woglinde> right
Nov 04 21:36:20 <clemahieu> Correct.
Nov 04 21:36:48 <woglinde> why all the poor people think its a device for xmbc
Nov 04 21:36:54 <tejvir> can anyone tell me how can i find the ip address of my beaglebone
Nov 04 21:37:06 <woglinde> ifconfig
Nov 04 21:37:07 <Sliz> Damn what about the rikomagic 802 IV
Nov 04 21:37:19 <_av500_> whta about it?
Nov 04 21:37:20 <woglinde> sliz whats that?
Nov 04 21:37:27 <woglinde> atom stuff?
Nov 04 21:37:29 <_av500_> some allwinner thing
Nov 04 21:37:33 <tejvir> no actually i am trying to connect to it using ssh from a laptop
Nov 04 21:37:52 <_av500_> Sliz: no idea, not discussed here usually
Nov 04 21:37:58 <Sliz> An hdmi android dongle
Nov 04 21:37:58 <woglinde> tejvir 192.168.7.2 or so
Nov 04 21:38:10 <tejvir> but its not working..:(
Nov 04 21:38:15 <tejvir> i have tried that too
Nov 04 21:38:28 <woglinde> tejvir either setup dhcp or look on the sdcard in /etc/network/interfaces
Nov 04 21:38:29 <Sliz> But thanks for the answer
Nov 04 21:38:52 <jonpry> avahi ftw
Nov 04 21:39:02 <woglinde> jonpry o.O
Nov 04 21:39:10 <tejvir> no i am using angstrom linux which is preinstalled on beaglebone
Nov 04 21:39:18 <woglinde> tejvir how did you connect your bone?
Nov 04 21:39:26 <jonpry> ping beaglebone.local
Nov 04 21:39:27 <woglinde> tejvir use serial console
Nov 04 21:39:35 <tejvir> i used usb
Nov 04 21:39:40 <woglinde> you do not need networking for it
Nov 04 21:39:51 <tejvir> cable to connect
Nov 04 21:40:11 <woglinde> sure
Nov 04 21:40:12 <tejvir> no i know but i don't want to use monitor or keyboard to use it
Nov 04 21:40:32 <tejvir> so i am trying to ssh to it using putty
Nov 04 21:40:38 <woglinde> you do not need monitor or keyboard on the bone for serial console only on your host
Nov 04 21:40:38 <tejvir> for that i need the ip address
Nov 04 21:40:57 <tejvir> how do i do that
Nov 04 21:41:00 <woglinde> using putty means you have to setup network correctly before
Nov 04 21:41:02 <tejvir> this serial console thingy
Nov 04 21:41:22 <woglinde> white bone or black?
Nov 04 21:41:22 <tejvir> yeah i have allowed internet connection sharing on windows xp
Nov 04 21:41:27 <tejvir> black
Nov 04 21:41:32 <woglinde> hm okay
Nov 04 21:41:55 <woglinde> you need a proper ftdi cable or similiar with 3.3V
Nov 04 21:42:10 <tejvir> okay
Nov 04 21:42:16 <woglinde> and install linux on your host its more fun and more freedom and more insight whats going on
Nov 04 21:42:38 <tejvir> well i have linux on my host but no internet connection to it
Nov 04 21:42:38 <jonpry> and has avahi so all the problem disappear
Nov 04 21:42:40 <woglinde> for windows you need the proper usb driver
Nov 04 21:42:50 <woglinde> jonpry o.O
Nov 04 21:43:04 <woglinde> problems goes away with dhclient
Nov 04 21:43:09 <woglinde> or ip or ifconfig
Nov 04 21:43:45 <tejvir> but we can do these things from the boards terminal
Nov 04 21:44:00 <jonpry> i'm using debian image, have the bone hooked up to switch and i just ssh arm.local
Nov 04 21:44:05 <tejvir> ip or ifconfig right??
Nov 04 21:44:39 <tejvir> yesterday it was working perfectly
Nov 04 21:44:42 <woglinde> jonpry he is using windows on the host
Nov 04 21:45:01 <tejvir> but today i installed drivers listed on beagleboard.org
Nov 04 21:45:02 <jonpry> yeah that's the first mistake
Nov 04 21:45:07 <woglinde> tejvir on windows you only have ipconfig
Nov 04 21:45:14 <tejvir> okay
Nov 04 21:45:28 <woglinde> which you can check for 192.168.7.1
Nov 04 21:45:32 <woglinde> if not
Nov 04 21:45:43 <woglinde> its useless to ssh to 192.168.7.2
Nov 04 21:45:54 <tejvir> hmmm
Nov 04 21:46:29 <tejvir> if i have linux on my host then will i work
Nov 04 21:46:38 <tejvir> i mean i can access my beaglebone
Nov 04 21:46:41 <woglinde> and no, I do not know anymore about the windows usb rndis driver
Nov 04 21:47:02 <woglinde> tejvir its proably easier
Nov 04 21:47:22 <woglinde> and more insight whats going on and maybe wrong
Nov 04 21:47:27 <tejvir> okay so then how should i use ftdi cable to access my board
Nov 04 21:47:38 <woglinde> serial console is always good
Nov 04 21:47:46 <woglinde> in case of losing network connection
Nov 04 21:48:06 <woglinde> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Serial
Nov 04 21:49:14 <tejvir> but the cables have female connectors
Nov 04 21:49:23 <tejvir> and my board also have female connectors
Nov 04 21:50:49 <tejvir> any ideas where should i connect this cable on my board
Nov 04 21:53:48 <eggzeck> this cloud9 IDE is a bit funky, nice bug seems buggy
Nov 04 21:56:40 * XorA pokes prpplague 
Nov 04 22:00:04 <woglinde> re
Nov 04 22:00:30 <woglinde> eggzeck yeah get excited about bugs
Nov 04 22:02:08 <tejvir> thanks woglinde for the help :)
Nov 04 22:02:28 <woglinde> tejvir sure
Nov 04 22:02:39 <woglinde> tejvir you asked nicely
Nov 04 22:03:43 <prpplague> XorA: no fair using more than one nick, hehe
Nov 04 22:04:17 <tejvir> :) Okayy
Nov 04 22:07:52 <woglinde> hi prpplague
Nov 04 22:08:00 <prpplague> woglinde: hey
Nov 04 22:11:09 <eggzeck> woglinde: lol
Nov 04 23:03:43 <[1]clemahieu> I'm attempting to use a gpio.  I did 'echo 76 > /sys/class/gpio/export' and then 'echo out > /sys/class/gpio/gpio76/direction' though when I do 'echo 1 > /sys/class/gpio/gpio76/value' the value remains at 0.  Is there something else I need to set up?
Nov 04 23:05:34 <[1]clemahieu> Is 'value' input only?
Nov 04 23:11:50 * eggzeck wonder's why his BBB won't turn on when P9_1, P9_3, and P9_14 are connected to a device
Nov 04 23:12:10 <[1]clemahieu> Is it shorting out?
Nov 04 23:12:56 <eggzeck> No, it turns on and THEN I have to connect my device
Nov 04 23:13:13 <eggzeck> After it turns on, all is fine.
Nov 04 23:14:06 <Vaizki> let me see...
Nov 04 23:14:26 <eggzeck> hmmm OK, it seems to be only when a device is connected to P9_3
Nov 04 23:14:42 <eggzeck> Once I disconnect P9_3 it turns on
Nov 04 23:14:56 <eggzeck> even if I leave P9_1 and P9_14 connected
Nov 04 23:15:02 <Vaizki> wait.. that's 3.3v?
Nov 04 23:15:07 <Vaizki> right...
Nov 04 23:15:27 <[1]clemahieu> Do you have a big draw on 3.3v?  Maybe there's a surge on startup.
Nov 04 23:16:42 <eggzeck> aahhh, good point
Nov 04 23:17:36 <[1]clemahieu> The 5v can deliver higher power if that helps.
Nov 04 23:18:04 <Vaizki> 5v barrel jack that is
Nov 04 23:18:34 <Vaizki> and you can reconfigure the pmic to allow for bigger draw from usb also but..
Nov 04 23:25:17 <eggzeck> OK changing some things, let's see what happens
Nov 04 23:28:01 <sarinha> m
Nov 04 23:28:03 <sarinha> 14
Nov 04 23:29:27 <eggzeck> did he just give us his sex and age, then quit?
Nov 04 23:29:49 <agmlego> Yeah.
Nov 04 23:29:53 <eggzeck> lol
Nov 04 23:30:30 <grantsmith> maybe he thought it was a cross-species dating room
Nov 04 23:30:54 <eggzeck> Thes odds are high I guess, hah
Nov 04 23:31:00 <eggzeck> -s
Nov 04 23:41:14 <s5fs> man i read that as "cross-dating species" and was super confused
Nov 04 23:50:14 <SpeedEvil> 14 is quite old for a beagle. Maybe he's senile.
Nov 05 00:03:39 <Russ> 0
Nov 05 00:03:58 <Russ> oops
Nov 05 00:04:17 <ds2> hey Russ
Nov 05 00:05:46 <[1]clemahieu> >_<  GPIO oe = output enable = high = input
Nov 05 00:05:49 <[1]clemahieu> Disapprove
Nov 05 00:06:52 <Russ> yo
Nov 05 00:07:23 <ds2> Russ: have you looked at the via channel packages?
Nov 05 00:07:41 <Russ> via channel?
Nov 05 00:07:56 <Russ> ah
Nov 05 00:07:58 <Russ> like am335x
Nov 05 00:08:05 <ds2> yes
Nov 05 00:08:06 <Russ> only briefly
Nov 05 00:08:29 <ds2> trying to see if it really helps that much with layout and lets you break out 300 balls w/o micro vias on 2 layers :D
Nov 05 00:08:37 <Russ> yes
Nov 05 00:09:01 <ds2> so the claims are not exaggerated?
Nov 05 00:09:32 <Russ> no, but it doesn't mean that you'll be able to route the rest of your board with easily
Nov 05 00:10:32 <Russ> and of course you need 4/4 rules
Nov 05 00:10:33 <ds2> hmmm good point
Nov 05 00:10:46 <Russ> er
Nov 05 00:10:53 <Russ> wait, I think with the 0.8 you can do it in 5/5
Nov 05 00:10:53 <ds2> from the PDF they have, I don't see why 4/4 is essential...
Nov 05 00:11:04 <Russ> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/General_hardware_design/BGA_PCB_design#PCB.C2.A0Feature_sizes_for_Via_Channel.28TM.29_BGAs
Nov 05 00:11:17 <ds2> I have done 5/5 with 0.8
Nov 05 00:11:29 <ds2> i saw the wiki...
Nov 05 00:12:55 <Russ> it might be a challenge to route the right power rails in and get the decoupling caps a place to go
Nov 05 00:13:47 <Russ> especially given that traces that route adjacent to the layer with power planes need to either not cross them, or have sufficient decoupling capacitors between the planes at places where that happens
Nov 05 00:13:57 <ds2> sounds like what they are saying is - "yes, you can route but good luck on having it working"
Nov 05 00:14:05 <Russ> hopefully they thought of all this when they laid out the package
Nov 05 00:15:39 <Russ> one of these days, I'd really like to do an am335x oshpark design, but I'm not sure if the 4 layer currently allows for small enough vias
Nov 05 00:16:04 <ds2> what drill and annular ring does oshpark want?
Nov 05 00:17:27 <Russ> "The 4 layer order features 5/5 mil design rules, a minimum drill size of 10 mils, and a 4 mil annular ring."
Nov 05 00:17:34 <Russ> so actually I think you are ok
Nov 05 00:18:00 <Russ> so long as 6.7 mil prepreg is ok
Nov 05 00:20:38 <ds2> the fun park would be getting the memory to work
Nov 05 00:20:44 <ds2> everyone recommends 6L for the ram
Nov 05 00:21:19 <ds2> Russ: btw - have you done 2 sided toaster oven assembly ?
Nov 05 00:21:25 <Russ> yes
Nov 05 00:21:44 <ds2> how do you suspend the board?
Nov 05 00:21:49 <Russ> memory wire
Nov 05 00:22:16 <ds2> which way? dangling from teh rack or propped up on the rack?
Nov 05 00:22:24 <Russ> prop in on the rack
Nov 05 00:22:51 <Russ> you could also crimp aligator clips on the ends of the memory wire to suspend the board if there are too many components on the bottom
Nov 05 00:23:09 <ds2> and you never had parts fall off during reflow?
Nov 05 00:23:19 <Russ> I had a power transistor fall off once
Nov 05 00:23:29 <Russ> but that was a really bulky component
Nov 05 00:23:44 <ds2> the TO-220 sized stuff?
Nov 05 00:24:49 <Russ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D2PAK
Nov 05 00:24:57 <Russ> so yes
Nov 05 00:25:35 <Russ> and it was with manual paste application, so there probably wasn't enough solder
Nov 05 00:27:56 <ds2> but that's easy enough to fix by hand
Nov 05 00:29:35 <Russ> yup, solder is pretty strong stuff
Nov 05 00:29:50 <Russ> so its really just being careful that your support structure isn't touching components
Nov 05 00:30:09 <Russ> the biggest pain is getting paste applied to the second side
Nov 05 00:33:42 <eggzeck> You guys use C9 on your BBB's?
Nov 05 00:33:54 <eggzeck> To run your code?
Nov 05 00:34:04 <Russ> I don't use drugs
Nov 05 00:34:29 <eggzeck> Cloud9
Nov 05 00:34:36 <Russ> ah
Nov 05 00:35:02 <eggzeck> Of course I don't even know what type of drug is C9 either... lol
Nov 05 00:41:00 <ds2> it is the "good stuff" ;)
Nov 05 00:42:28 <georgem_home> lol
Nov 05 00:44:34 <georgem_home> google says cloud9 is an IDE. IDEs kill kittens so I don't use them.
Nov 05 00:54:11 <ZiNC> Do you use EDLIN?
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Nov 05 01:03:48 <georgem_home> ZiNC: pe2 is SOOO much better.
Nov 05 01:10:07 <eggzeck> After it turns on, all is fine.cloud9 sucks
Nov 05 01:10:12 <eggzeck> oops
Nov 05 01:10:19 <georgem_home> heh
Nov 05 01:10:29 <eggzeck> lol - sorry hit up and then started typing
Nov 05 01:10:33 <eggzeck> Cloud9 sucks
Nov 05 02:04:59 <medivh> hi
Nov 05 02:05:25 <medivh> is there a way to add more usb ports to bbb without connecting a usb hub such as using pin outs on the board
Nov 05 02:10:44 <ds2> no
Nov 05 02:11:33 <thurgood> I imagine it would be possible to add another PHY...but don't know for certain
Nov 05 02:11:55 <ds2> how would you propose to do that?
Nov 05 02:12:39 <thurgood> dunno haven't looked close enough to say one way or another :P hence the uncertainty
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